How the Anime Universe Annihilated and Subdued Superheroes

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Welcome to broadcasters podcasts. This is King of Podcasts. Welcome
to another program. Episode four and eleven. Anime. We've already
talked earlier several times this year about how well anime
has done in the box office, and I just want
to go through a couple of things that really tell
the story about how well anime has performed this year.

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Now the box office is not doing as well, probably
gonna be a little bit under nine million dollars this year,
the ramp up to the holiday season. You know, you
got Wicked for Good, you got Avatar, Fire and Ash,
you got some other movies that are gonna be coming
out that will help pick up the pieces of what's
been a faltering box office season in twenty twenty five.

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But anime has picked it up. And the one thing
you gotta think about with anime is that there is
still an interest in movies or adaptations of movies based
on comic books. They're just not American comic books. Now, Okay,
the same kind of audience out there that would go
to see a Marvel or DC movie that he's been
going after since, you know, say thirty years ago. Something's

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changed because now the fatigue of superheroes has led to
the uprising of anime because of fresh, different superheroes. And
also when we talked about the screen survey that was
done by UCLA, I talked about that I think was

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a week ago or two weeks ago. The younger demographic
they like, they're going and see more animation over live action.
And that's very interesting about that, that they would prefer
to go ahead and watch something that might be more
childlike and a little more animated. They're okay with that.
And they're not talking about movies like you know, the

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Minions or the Bad Guys or whatever there is, you know,
a dog man whatever.

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You know.

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It's like they don't want to worry about those. But
they're absolutely into this here. And it's also because of
the fact that the animation from Japanese animation, the storylines,
the way they're done, it's such an imagination, is such
a fantasy. It will be really really difficult to try
to go ahead and recreate that in live action. Of course,

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Netflix is trying to do one piece, and there have
been other attempts of other types of things like that,
but you know, it's very rare. I'll lead a Battle Angel.
I remember that was another one that was that they're
from manga. But you see right now that the movies
that are coming out for anime that are performing well,
they're doing pretty well overall. Look at what we have

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right now. I'm gonna take from the Numbers dot Com,
the hyphen numbers dot Com looking at the top grossing
movies in the last thirty years that were based off
of comics, comic books, or comic novels. Are Endgame leads
the pack, and this is now domestic numbers. By the way,
all they see near a billion dollars domestic accounting what

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they did overseas. Spider Random Way Home in twenty twenty
one is second Avengers, Black Panther, Avengers Diffinity War that
leads out the top five. Now we can go farther
down and eventually we're gonna get to some other names
that are in this as well that are gonna be
very interesting. If we're looking in the last couple of years,

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we're starting to see some movies internationally. By the way,
because the phenomenon of anime, of course, going back to
Tunami on Adult Swim, going back what twenty years ago plus,
that's always been the groundswell of that underground movement of anime,
which has taken twenty years plus to get to the mainstream.

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Because now superhero movies are past, a anime is mainstream
at this moment. Just look at this year if we're
looking at the box office right now for Demon Slayer,
the movie Infinity Castle, just saying that was a movie
came out what over a month ago, and that movie

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right now has earned six hundred and sixty eight million
dollars worldwide, one hundred and thirty three million box office
It's not even one of the best, but like obviously
it was something that was very much a big production
and a large scale movie. Because the movie almost ran
three hours or didn't get close to three hours, five

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hundred and thirty million dollars national, that is incredible. You
also have another one in twenty twenty, which was Demon
Slayer of the movie Mogan Train. Oh here we go.
The budget for Demon Slayer was one hundred and forty
seven million dollars, And like I said, then you see

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just the move up of everything else. Now, if we're
looking at twenty twenty Demon Slayer, Mogan Train eight the
eighty six billion dollars eighty six million dollars excuse me
that it made, and if we look at the full
numbers for that five hundred and twelve million dollars worldwide.
The thing was, these movies were already making so much

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money beforehand. So the question was from Sony Pictures or
the folks at Fundamation Entertainment or Crunchy Role, they're saying,
can we get the American audience to buy on it?
Is it worth the risk? And then Sony you know,
decided to start going this. So they decided they're going
and start putting out movies in this respect. And now

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two of those movies on box office are generating a
lot of money right now for Sony Pictures distribution and
for Country Role. And the same thing goes for the
same phenomenon in streaming with K Pop Demon Hunters, which
now obviously has gotten so many, so many watches right

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now on Netflix. The soundtrack has been consistent on the
Billboard Charts, the album chart, the Hot one hundred, it's
just up there. And then you go ahead and look
at the fact that that movie's going to spawn a sequel,
and it's obvious that More Anime is going to be

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much more prominent on streaming sources. They're going to kind
of go and put more into that. So obviously the
big media companies they're gonna try to go and cash
in on this. And Sony is on the forefront of
this right now, no doubt about it, with two movies
within a month of each other generating some of the
best money that the box office has seen all year,

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which is saying something a lot. But we know the
international audience has already been on it. But if you
can get it in America and it becomes something that
everybody's all caught up in, there's enough of an audience
out there that's been watching long enough to really get
into it. So for them, it's okay, they can go
ahead and do it, and they feel destined to go

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and do really well by putting it out there. And
just to look at the complete list of the top
grossing movies in twenty twenty five right now and where
things are with this we're looking right now, and of
course there's been movies that have made a lot of money.
Minecraft movie is the top grocering movie of the year
so far, and as far as I know, I believe

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them and Letalone Stitch are the only movies to reach
a billion dollars worldwide. Actually Minecraft just short of a billion.
And then you look at some of the other movies
that where that fatigue. You might have gotten some money
off of some of these movies that we had in
Superhero World with Fantastic Four and Captain America. They were panned.

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They did not perform well. The graphics, the quality of
the movies that have been out there because of the
amount of resources that have also been spread out over
into the streaming services with Disney Plus, have hurt the
likings of the Marvel movies going out the theatrical, where
Disney also had to go and change your whole direction
of like, we're putting more resources into theatrical not so

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much of the streaming, especially with these Marvel movies. If
they want to get this Marvel Universe another phase to
go and do well, they have to put more time
into it. There's just no choice. But if you look
at the other movies we have. Superman is the highest
grossing DC movie, but again these are just you would
think they need to ability to do something well. Six
hundred and sixteen million dollars worldwide for Superman after its run.

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You have Captain America, a brand new World, which also
did not perform well at all and suffered back in
February four hundred and thirteen million dollars. Not good and
when you look at how it was put together. Thunderbolts
also bomb pretty well this year. But if you look
down into the top twenty and you start looking a

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little bit into the lines, of course there are other
outliers in the world of animation that have found their
way up, which you read their video games, What's out
of the Hedgehog? A third one came out. Then you
have tron Ares, which did not do well at all.
And then you look forward to and you see Demon
Slayer and then Infinity Castle, which is doing very well

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as the right now currently the fifteenth highest grossing movie
this year. It's quite good category where it comes to
like other competition going along with them, and then you know,
we just need to keep an eye on the fact
that Okay, in the top fifty. Chainsaw Man drops in

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there and it's only been out two weeks. Something about that.
It's it's a very telling thing. And if we just
look at so many pictures by the way, for them
overall and how they performed. And let's not also forget
that Kate Pop Dema Hunters I shouldn't be mentioned this
as well, that is also grossed itself. It's seventy nine

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million dollars and it's just a very limited release on
that as well. But if you look at now the
year that is in movies, Captain America got three weeks
at number one, we moved down Minecraft Movie had two
weeks at number one, and then if we moved down

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to The Superman, they had two weeks at number one,
Fantastic Four two weeks at number one, k Pop Demon
Hunters one week at number one starting off in August,
then Demon Slayer two weeks at number one, and then
Chainsaw Man had one week at number one two weeks ago,
and wedged between those two weeks was Black Phone two.

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Now it has taken advantage of the fact that there's
not been much there for movie groers to go catch
because some of the movie choices have not been great.
Know that August to be October has been a bad
month for the box office overall and for Sony Pictures overall.
With twenty three movies you've put out this year, they're

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the fourth highest grossing studio right now overall seven percent
of the market share, and they've racked in domestically five
hundred million dollars, and a lot of that is due
to what they've done with the anime movies. So let's
get into why that's all about. Where we are with
all that, because there is people are obviously in the

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media now they're paying attention to the fact that this
is actually happening, and that's the thing that I'm noticing now,
and I see that the industry is also falling along
in the same suit. So here's from the rap Anime
isn't alternative content anymore? Lessons from Crunchy Rolls breakout Autumn,
and in the story that run off the sub head,

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they tell you that Demon Slayer and Chainsaw Man have
made a combined one hundred and sixty million dollars in
the month of October in the US. Those two movies
alone help to amplify and lift up the box office
in a very weak October month. That is incredible. But

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now people that just need to realize that this is
gonna be a way of life. You have to understand
now the superhero movies, they're gonna have to compete with
these kind of movies, and it's a taste of the culture.
Maybe we are starting to see that, especially for Sony Pictures,
they're realizing. I mean, they have a couple of the

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Marvel products they have right now with Spider Man, with
Venom and among others. But the question will be, I mean,
if you're getting anime like this done the Japanese, obviously
they're really big about quality. They also do a thing
where they are trying to bring in some American talent.
They do the dubs, they do the subtitles, they provide
where it's easy for American audiences to fall along if

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you've never read a manga, if you've never gotten to
watching the anime series on Tsunami or Country Roll or wherever,
that these movies are always stand alone. You can fall
along without having to go and know the whole story.
You can get into it. And that's what's the amazing part. Now,

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the two movies we're talking about here once again making
October amazing, and that's why we have to talk about
this here Demons, Slayer, Infinity Castle, Chainsaw Man rese Arc
counting for one six of the approximately one billion dollars
in overall grosses in the last two months. The only
movie in the last two months September October that I

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have made any real money is The Conjuring Last Rites.
You're talking about a Conjuring that has won like four
or five movies so far, a sequel after sequel after sequel.
comScore analyst Paul de Garabedia says, could you imagine how
abysmal the post summer box office would have been without
Crunchy Role. I think it's safe to say that anime
isn't alternative content anymore. It's a growing part of a

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changing theatrical market. Mark my words, It's mainstream. The writing's
on the wall. I look at it as a moviegirer
myself and I go to the movie theaters and I
go to my regal all the time, and I'm telling you,
you had a packed house at ten o'clock and also
for multiple houses on that opening night for Demas Slayer

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Infinity Castle. Same thing for Chainsaw Man. And what's the
funny part is, I don't think there's anything that can
be said about like well put it like this Demas Slayer.
As one of the trailers leading up into the movie,
Chainsaw Man was promoted several times within the trailer window

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for Demons Slayer Infinity Castle. You saw the Chainsaw Man
trailer there. I can't say that I saw that anywhere
else prior to that, but in the trailers they showed
right there in the movie theater. It got me. I'm like, wow,
I'm gonna watch this. So three weeks later I had
some other movie after the Hunt that I watched, but
then I watched Chainsaw Man after that, and that was

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the better movie. I was like, and I've known what's fine.
I mean, I know it wasn't great, but like it
was fine, and I think I remember that I was
gonna watch Oh no, that was another movie's never mind.
I was thinking about tron Aris and how bad that was.
And you know, September October, Yeah, not the greatest time
for movies, but the composent of movies out there. And

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what was interesting now is that in my theater they
used to always be Bollywood movies. It would drop in
during that time of year because I think the season
of the Wally's going on and other things where you
would see some of new movies come in, and I
saw some come in, but the timings were not good
and there were other things to watch. But as a
movie growing myself and I go every weekend if possible,

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if there's a movie to watch, we're watching on an
opening night, I'm gonna go see it. And for whatever reason,
you know, I got brought into it because a friend
of mine was big in than anime and I went
with him to go see Dragon ball Z Broley, and
I like, the experience was amazing. The super san event
was just like the Three Spider Man seeing them together,

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you know at one time, the same kind of like
amazing deal when you know Thor Captain America grabbed the
Thor's hammer, right, it's those moments. That's exactly what the
anime audience was for Broley. Same thing, I say it
over and over, and that was what twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
and then we now fast forward to today and the
same thing goes. And like I said, I watched one

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piece and I will trying to go and catch some
of the other movies, but it was also a little
bit tough to gunfind. But what happened for me is
that I realized so many pictures they were putting, some
of these movies at a pretty good time. Finding some
spots on the schedule that have been since post COVID
always been open because we know there are not such

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great movies that come out every weekend because partly because
of COVID the ramp back up, but then the other
part was the strike, which people will continue to say
is some of the varying factors as to why the
box office has not been giving so many choices on
a regular basis. Plus streaming because how many titles go
to streaming in the first place. Those kind of things

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all happen, So there's that, But could you really believe
that in the world of streaming movies and box office
movies that it would be dominated by anime? Right now?
I was gonna go watch K Pop to you in Hunters.
I just couldn't find Along. And another thing was the
movie they have right now is a single Along, and

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I'm like, I'm not gonna go to that. That's okay.
If it was gonna be just be in the movie
itself and watch. That'd be one thing, But I'm not
watching a sing along. No, I can't do it. Not
to mention the were other movies I wanted to watch
in the meantime. Now back into the story, Demon Slayer,

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Infinity Castle. I didn't even realize this happened too. It
is now smashing the record for the highest grossing anime
film of all time, both in the US and abroad.
More money than a Superman, more money than How to
Train Your Dragon. Like I said, two thirds of a
billion dollars worldwide. So Country Rolls positions Sony to take

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advantage of changing audience tastes. Is particularly in Asia where
Sony Pictures Releasing handles distribution of all of Crunchy Role
theatrical acquisitions outside of Japan. They're promoting it right, They
are putting out the right movies in front of US screens.
It's working. And now I think we're gonna get to

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the point where there's so much material that the American
audiences will feed into that they're not gonna get tired
right away of some of these movies that are gonna
be coming out. And think about like this for the
studios for Sony, right, now working in the relationship with
the folks in Japan to put these out here shown

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a jump or whatever else and crunchy roll think about
like this. I mean, the budgets are so much less
to put these movies together. Yeah, it takes time still,
but you know, no principal photography, no shoots, no, not
so much of anything else. You just got an animation house.
It's just cranking it out and figuring out the right idea,

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getting the storyline done. But in the same way, man,
why not see if animation can make more money for you?
And the fact that the animation that's out there, which
you know fifty sixty, seventy eighty years ago, if you
were gonna watch any animation at all, it will be
a trailer leading up to the movie. To see it

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now existing as the feature linked film to watch is incredible,
and I think that's something to be said. Now. I
don't know how American officers are going to go and
do anything like that, to go and compete with that.
They can't. Anime is is a standalone and they were

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gonna do things very efficiently effectively, and they do, and
Sony's taken advantage of it. Now Chainsaw Man might not
be making as much as Demons Slayer, but still this
R rated action fab there's an R rated anime. I
didn't really realize that either, So now let's get it
this part. It got a number one opening seventeen point

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two million dollars two weeks ago Free Halloween. It's quite
an improvement. The only country world releases to gross more
than that amount in North America were films from Demons
Slayer and dragon Ball with dragon Ball Super Superhero. So
the questions asked you about the rap so house Animal

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becomes to a boon for theaters. It's a change in
the types of films that are offered. And also Sony adoptink,
a strategy that exhibitors have wanted all the studios to
take for some time now, so the same. The biggest
factor behind the success of Demons Slayer is the immense
global fan base rabable by only a selight few anime series.

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If they put out in the Aruto of Burruto out there,
or if they put out Death Note, if they put
out you know, they have others that could put out.
If they brought back Bleach like, I'm sure there would
be just a you know, a groundswell of support to
see those movies. And of course anytime they want to
put Dragon Ball or One Piece or some of these
others are out there, they can do it. And also

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the other thing's gonna be said of some of these
movies they have that are sports based, like they had
the one that was a basketball to be a volley one,
well volleyball one, or a soccer one, or they had
a spy one like they I saw a bunch of
those in the last few years. And you know, one
thing I saw, people would show up, like there were
a lot of times I did not have an empty
theater when I go to those. And also the audience

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is young. And we also saw and that screen survey
from the UCLA that something about gen Z. They want
to be able to go and see movies as a
communal thing in theaters. They like the theater going experience.
They're into it. And I could tell it's them because
they're also dressed up with either like pajamas or gym clothes,
and they're treating it like their home. Here's the blankets,

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here's this and that, and they are dressed in the gear.
They are all fans just as much as the Marvel
and DC fans, but the Marvel and DC fans are older.
It is skewing older. But they also fan base can
go ahead and be a little more wide range. There's
that too, So they're talking about windowing here. The amount

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of time movie is available to go and be found
in a movie theater, So the time gap between theatrical
release and streaming release becoming a part of the public
discussion surrounding a film. When Disney started implementing a hard
one hundred day theatrical window for his films, along with
the policy delay any public announcement of their films to

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Disney Plus for as long as possible, it was don
with no fanfare. Now for Crunchy Role, Demons Slayer, Infinity, Castle,
Popvers talked to the executive vice president of Global Commerce
s Petchel Berger, and they told him. He told them

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that the film would get a full theatrical exclusive window
and would not be released on streaming until twenty twenty six.
That's the part. See in the theater, he says, because
the theater is the only place you're gonna be able
to see this film in twenty twenty five. The old
school method, if you make people wait and they're not

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gonna wait to watch it on streaming. You're not gonna
get people to go and watch an anime and wait
for the next year. They're not gonna do it. They're
willing to go and take the trip, buy the tickets,
go get the popcorn, candy, and go watch the movie.
They're gonna go do that. So if you give somebody
out there what they're gonna want to watch. Now, there

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was a rare instance of the windowing strategy, but it's
not exclused to demon Slayer. Another crunchy Roll theatrical release
was Spy and Family Code White. It grows eight million
dollars domestically from its release in Dapril twenty twenty four
and then in September the same year, it was put
out on streaming. Now, beyond crunchy Roll, Sonya has an

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extended on all branch of the theaters when it comes
to windowing that they would work with theaters on windows
and ticket pricing. Now, Sony's licensing deals with Deflixite used
to be fruitful for both partners and releases like twenty
eight years later in Crowded Kids, Legends did not show
up on the streamer until ninet dates until these theaters.
So Sony is trying to go do the thing where

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they want to make sure the movie's making money first
off theatrically and then go to streaming. They want to
give some time, you know, And that's the part. And
then when they talk about the fact that about hardcore
fans of Demons Slayer Chainsaw Man, No, they will have
to wait at least three months for these films at
home if they don't see it in theaters. There's the

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fear of missing out fomo factor. That's how they're playing
to these folks. You can still do that, and I
hope there's a testament now for everyone out there to say, hey,
you know what, you can actually go ahead and watch
these movies in the theaters. That's how it used to be.
People will still do that if you give it to
them that way, but it has to be something on

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the Anime is becoming a genre that can give you
movies on demand that people are demanding to watch. They
will book and make time to go see it. It's
an event for them. They want to be a part
of it. They want to be able to talk about
it to their friends and their friends on discord or
wherever else they're going to talk about it. They got

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to be able to have that fear of missing out.
You create that. You can't do that now with these
big blow to DC Marvel movies, that can't happen anymore.
It's not possible now, it doesn't necessarily mean and this
will be an interesting story to go and see. But
there's another supernatural action series called Jujuju Kaisen. It'll be
on Imax screens in December. They'll have a recap film

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called Execution, but the same week it comes out will
be the same week to five nights of Freddy's Two
comes out, which did Gangbusters the last time it came out,
so the sequel should do very well.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
They also had a Demas Layer movie to the Hashira Training.
I remember seeing that, and it was a recap of
the third season of Demons Slayer, and then they showed
the season's finale in its entirety and the first season
episode of season four episode the first episode. It was
all released to cutchery role. In June. That film had
seventeen pointy six million dollars made domestically, little more than

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the half of the thirty three million dollars Infinity Half
Castle made on its opening day alone, which did not
get anything up front. And that's the thing. The Demon
Slayer movie was based off of once again third season
recap of Demaslayer, then the season finale and the first
episode of season four, so it was something that might
be already probably watched, so you're just seeing it all

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joined together, and people went to the movie, needed to
go watch it, even though they probably saw part of
that series already, but they got to watch it and
then watch the end of it that they wanted to watch,
the season finale and the fourth the threat episode of
the new season, just like that. But I don't say
enough about as well. Is at the Marvel movies into

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DC movies. We all know they had their tendency of
having the action, having the suspense, but also having a
little bit of humor. And the anime is here all
I have humor in some way, shape or form. There's
probably some dark humor in there, especially with Chainsaw Man.
They wouldn't expect it, but they put it in there.
They could be over the top, they could be camping,
they could be goofy, and people will buy into it

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on a regular basis. Now with Infinity Castle and Chainsaw
Man res Arc both were completely new films, advancing stories
that fans had seen on TV, and that was the
thing they wanted to go and catch that. That was
the movie I saw before Haiku, a volleyball theme series.
They put that out, and they also had a science

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fiction samurai adventure called Gentama that also came out in theaters.
I didn't get the catch does Now movie theaters are
starting to get up the speed with franchise anime. They
want to be able to keep an eye out for
which theatrical releases or recap films original stories versus movies
on the source material and adjust their expectations because that's
the part. Some of these Japanese movies, these anime movies

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might be part of another story that's brought in. If
it's not a completely new story that's being told, they
might not make as much money. So that's understood. But
it's interesting, and the thing is is that there are
a lot more movies coming in. Crunchy Roll has a
release slate for twenty twenty six, not fully locked in

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because they're looking at the rest of Hollywood. They want
to see what Hollywood's gonna put out there On the
calendar for next year in the box office, and Sony
wants to be able to know what weekends are going
to be best for them, so they're going to fill
in the gaps. This is all very smart. This is
old school thinking. You move the movies to the spots
where you know you can do well during those areas,

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because it doesn't matter what time of year an anime
comes out. So if they want to put it in
January and drop it in our February and those early
popcorn movie times, and do all that before May, before
a World Day weekend, and then the full summer blockbuster
season comes in, and then come into September, October, November,
right before holiday season. Take those five six months right

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there and incorporate into it. Is smart because anime films
are trying to perform on weekends where there's no direct
tempole competition, where they're not going up against some big
blockbuster movie that they're gonna lose too, Which is like
you said, we're gonna have a movie that's gonna come
out with Jiu Jitsu Kuisen and it's going up against
five nights of Freday's, but it's gonna be a good

(30:32):
experiment to see how well that movie does against five
nights of Freddy's. I mean, I know it's a little
bit expensive to go to the movies now, but if
you're on a plan like me, I know it would
be easy for me to go and catch both of
those movies that wanted to go do that. But would
there be people that would be willing to go to
movies on Friday and Saturday nights, or go on different
night of the week and catch the movie theater more

(30:53):
than one night if it's possible, If they want to
do that, if they want to afford it, that's the barn.
So the other movies that are coming out, I'll briefly
won't go through those. One they have is that that
Time I Got Reincarnated as a slime Tales of the
Asure See. That'll be coming out in February. It's part
of the ongoing three season anime series about a murderer
salaryman who is reincarnated as a shape shifting slime in

(31:16):
a fantasy world. I mean, they have some real creative
ideas out of here. I must say. It's a bit
scias fiction. It's a little bit you know, you gotta
really suspend this belief but yeah, these kinds of movies
must do pretty well. That's gonna be in Japanese theaters
by way in February, but there's gonna be more going
out there. And by the way, we're not even talk

(31:37):
about the fact of how things are going for anime
as well on streaming, going back to the early part
of twenty twenty five, Netflix in twenty twenty three claim
thirty eight percent of the total anime streaming revenue generated
globally in twenty twenty three. And for them, they're just

(31:58):
picking up on the fact that you know, it was
years ago they got into getting in the country, country role,
crunty role, putting all their chips on anime and finding
success in streaming. And I'm moving forward into even more.
But Netflix so far is benefiting the most off of

(32:18):
anime on streaming, which is where we have all that's
going on with the setup of various movies like Kate
Pop Dema Hunters that have come out to the forefront
and have gotten people interested and people are talking about it,
and to the fact that the movie did so well

(32:38):
that they got actually put it out on the theaters
and it performs. But let's talk about the superhero movies
because they're getting panned right now. So I go to
a story from Comic book dot Com and they're talking
about the fact that the endurance success of superhero movies
is changed modern cinema and variety of ways, from the

(33:01):
budgets to the handling of expanding universes. But the studios
want to try to expand that superhero effected to other
genres and and some of the things they've done with
the movies right now, they've undermined consequences in cinema, according
to this rider here saying that there have been drawbacks.

(33:21):
One of the worst things to come about from the
business out of Hollywood has been inflated budgets. So movies
like Independence of the and Titanic did push new limits
on budgeting, but didn't normalize eyewatering production values like the
MCU did. But now we have the death of consequences.
So since films like X Men, the advent of the MCU,
the success of Deadpool, superhero films have solely but surely

(33:44):
reinforced the idea of impermanence in storytelling. Nothing July has
consequences these films. Anyone can be killed off, just as
easily to be resurrected in a sequel. Yeah, when you
know you got a sequel to go and put out
next because the studio wants to keep monetizing the IP.
Then there's no finality than anything. The fact that the
Avengers Infinity War or Endgame was so good and how

(34:08):
it's set up. The only thing that's changing are the
actors that were playing the roles. So now you're just
gonna just get a change of somebody else playing the
roles or some different characters. But we're gonna just go
in that same universe and just continue to move forward,
no finality whatsoever, because if it's making money, the studios
will say damn to the fact that they have a

(34:29):
series that is gonna be done and that's it. No,
they're gonna continue it as long as they can and
squeeze every bit of drop of revenue as they can
from it. They even talk about the fact of how
the same thing goes with the horror movies, because it
was the first genre that really capitalized the idea of
recurring villains who never seem to die. You're Michael Myers
Chase to warhe'es. They continue to go on with superheroes,

(34:53):
characters like Loki have been killed so often that they
there's little Marvel could ever do to convince viewers that
a death is permanent. Also thought of the fact that
not everyonewing needs to be a franchise, but based on
box office receipts, they're one of the most profitable endeavors
the film industry has ever pursued. But new expectations, more
people want more franchises than during ips not done in

(35:15):
ones staying alone stories where a character is killed off
forever people always some of the fact that Star Wars
rights as Skywalker and Palpatine returning the Emperor. That really
explained the superhero effect in a single sentence. Not only
consider one of the worst quotes in the Star Wars
franchise as some of the way creators hand wave away
revivals as trivial occurrences in stories. In the end, most

(35:39):
films are better without a sequel. Stories should be left
alone once a creator feel, as they said, all they
need to characters study, Films, dramas, serious drillers, and science
fiction all work best when creators don't resort to cheap
tricks to keep people coming back. And I agree with that.
So superhero fatigue. There's reasons for it, and it's the
studio's fault. But one thing that can be said right now,

(36:03):
listen down the line, ANI make it also for the
same fate, but right now it's not. It's gonna take
a while for that to happen. And we also know
they're working with out flied players, outside players in the
Japanese that maybe they're not gonna allow that to happen
because they've been allowed to go and say, okay, there
are a series that people might want to go and
watch more of and have them come back. But when

(36:23):
they're done, they're done. Bleach is done. They're not coming back.
They did it said. If it's their Sailor Moon, they
want speed Race, they want Astroboy, they want Gigant or whatever,
then they're coming back. Just if they're not gonna do it,
I mean, I guess it doesn't matter how, it doesn't
matter how much money does out there to go and
get to it. So now the deal also coming in

(36:43):
for K Pop Demon Hunters, a sequel has been put
into place. Netflix is giving now also a lot of
money to get the movie done. Now Sony's cash payout
for making the first film. They have made forty million
from Netflix for that movie. For How Well It's Done
original was twenty five million dollars. They got a fifteen

(37:06):
million dollar cash bonus. So there are gonna be streamers
out there. I mean, obviously Netflix was smart to go
and do this here, working with the streamers like Netflix,
working with the movie theaters and the movie you know,
theater companies out there to work on this. It's working
well because now people realize anime is gonna make some money,

(37:28):
so people want to go in and jump in on
the bandwagon. From Sony Pictures Animation, Kate Bob Demn Hunters
quickly became the most watched film on all time on
Netflix this summer, most watch film of all time on Netflix.
That is incredible. And I could tell you one thing.
It's I mean, listen, it's a musical. And all those
songs from that movie have charted on all international charts, Billboard,

(37:56):
Official Charts, whatever. Those songs are not going away. And
I can name though, Okay, you got Golden soda pop free,
you know, takedown strategy, what it's done, done done whatever.
All those songs continue to go and get streamed. There's
a lot of money being made, and even to the

(38:19):
fact that these artists are not out there touring anything
like that and being seen. It doesn't matter. In the
animation world. People were fine with it. They're all into it,
they're enjoying it. So overall, Netflix is going to earn
forty million dollars from Netflix. Sony's gonna earn forty million
dollars from Netflix. Of the twenty five million dollars originally

(38:42):
was put in, it included a twenty million dollar fee,
five million for the first option rights for Netflix to
retain the picking on the platform, and then Netflix covered
into the entire one hundred million dollar budget of the picture,
and then Sony also collects the margin of the production budget.
Netflix is paying for the Sony owned animation company Image Works,
home of the Spider ex franchise, for work on the movie,

(39:04):
and Sony also receives a piece of soundtrack sales also
music publicity feeds for certain songs, merchandising rights are going
to Netflix. But still, look at all this money's being made.
And I mean, I can't tell you. When I look
at the movie theaters, you know they've gotten a new
thing now in the last two years where they're making

(39:24):
new popcorn tins for every movie. They have t shirts,
they have merchandise all over the place, and there's so
much of that. For all these superhero movies that did
not get sold. Fantastic four, oh they got the ny
cool looking sixties car, or Superman had, you know, the
what looks like the sortress of vault, Fortress of Solitude,
things like that. Captain America. I forget it was like

(39:45):
there was a shield. There was something else. Oh it
was the big hulk bread hulk like cup or whatever,
or the popcorn tin, all these kind of things that
we're doing. Tron had the car, like all these things
were doing. But for animate, you know, the merchants out there,
I could see people. They're probably not just buying it,
they're wearing it out there and wearing it like proudly.

(40:06):
So there's a sequel that's gonna be set up now
for the k Pop sequel, but it's gonna be coming
in twenty twenty nine. So it's amazing what they're making
off of it and what they've done with this so far.
It's quite impressive. So I said, Kate Pop doing Hunters
twenty twenty nine release on Netflix. Bloomberg first report of that.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
The one thing that does happen here is that while
animated films do take a long time to make four
year gap between astallments, but there could be changes the
release date because of these films production schedule and what
they can get done. And as I said, K Pop
Dewing Hunters landing on directly on Netflix, the streamer's most
popular movie all time, three of its original songs Golden

(40:48):
Your Idol, Soda Pop mainstays of the Billboard Hot one
hundred chart and could land nominations at the Grammy Awards
next year. That tells you everything. Notoriety is getting wrecked, mission,
it's getting respected by its peers. It's all coming into that.
And as we talk about the movie going into theaters Netflix,

(41:10):
by the way, I must say, where Ted sarandos we'll
talk about, Oh, we're not gonna put anything in theaters,
that's a past eight time. Well, I'm glad that we
were talking about that. I think was last week where
Netflix is gonna start putting some more movies out in
theaters at least for a little bit of time for exhibition,
and then they go and put it out in the
in the streaming service which is great. The k pomp
Dema Hunters single long got eighteen million dollars over two days,

(41:35):
then another five to six million dollars over Halloween weekend.
It's amazing, and I remember people go and catch it
on streaming all they want and it's out there. So
we already talked about Infinity Castle and making seventy million
dollars in its opening weekend. Crazy money. And then their
screen rant that also talks about the success of Chainsaw Man,

(41:57):
the fact that we get to have you have two
anime movies back to back do well significantly well. So
this story, they say, while Demas Slayer is doing a
lot for the art form of bringing it to the
popular culture, Chainsaw Man's true representation of success for anime lovers. Now.
The way this writer, Brendan Garza tells it is the

(42:20):
way I look at it too. It's what an anime
movie should be. Chainsaw the movie res at Arc succinct
Clean makes the most out of the fact that some
movie theaters an amazing movie that acts as a milestone
for anime proven the art form is not just having
a moment, it's here to stay. I totally agree with that.
So there's a lot of top tier series A is

(42:41):
wash right now that's gonna be eventually being put forward
into the realm of theaters. Hike Juju Caussin we just
talked about, and I face a bunch of these names
forgiving me and my hero Academia all submitting themselves to
be the best anime series of all time. Amazing stories,
lovable characters, and heart pounding moments. Now going back ten years,

(43:04):
when anime face looks back ten years from now, they're
gonna see one series of particular Demons Slayer. There has
been a series this big in the history of anime.
While there's been series like One Piece, Drake of ball
Z and Aruto Loved the World Over, nothing that is
captured might the mainstream quite like Demon Slayer. No other
anime franchise has been able to dominate the box office
quite like that one. And it's not an accident for

(43:27):
Demons Slayer. No filler, wasted moments, and absolutely no Twister returns.
It's a straightforward path driven by a character's desire to
avenge his family, save his sister, and stop demons from
harming anyone else again. Yeah, the storyline of Infinity Castle
worked for me. But I thought some of the backstories
had put in there, some of the flashbacks, and then

(43:49):
just this whole story. Maybe we could have wrapped it
up in a little more than a little less than
three hours. I could have lived with about maybe about
thirty minutes to an hour of that movie. I could
have without that part. But I know they had to
do the build up. But then I could said they
seem thinking about mission impossible, the last mission I possible.
Took so much time to get this somewhere. But I

(44:09):
mean I wasn't bored by the movie either. Let's just
make that point too, And in this story I said
it as well. Chain saw the movie was a better movie.
I thought, so now let's take what he says here
and see if we agree. There were a ton of
great moments in Infinity Castle. And I agree with that too.
Demons Slayer's movie felt like a cash grab. Students of

(44:30):
companies behind Demons Slayer knew the movie was gonna make
a ton of money, so the didn't prioritize story prioritize
story telling like they did before. It's well over two
and a half hours long, a huge run time for
any movie. The pacing didn't make any sense, and some
of the more important aspects of the Infinity Castle are
our main demons backstories. They did a great jump of
why a, Kaza and Doma became demons, but didn't flow

(44:51):
within the limited confines of the film right. Every time
we had like action or something going on, it's those
breaks to go and bring these vignettes in to to
give some building of storytelling. It was necessary. I get
that part, but it was kind of like it took
away from the whole momentum of the film. In my
hand now he says that Chainsaw the Chainsaw Man was

(45:14):
an exceptional movie, and I agree for that movie. The
way they set it up, you get a full story,
you get a plot, test, a twist, and it was
told well and I didn't feel like we were wasting
any time with it. And again we didn't get to
the action right away. We had a little bit of
taste in the beginning, but for the most part, it's
all towards the end, and a lot of the end.

(45:34):
Let's keep that in mind too. The runtime an hour
forty minutes, made full use of the fact that it was
in a theater and a single art making way more
sense of adapting as part of one. You're right, they
had one story lender going through and telling it all
the way through and it was great and for hardcore
anime fans, Chainsaw Man's success meant more to them. So

(45:55):
Dewis Slayer is definitely a bigger, a meanstream audience, but
it doesn't touch Chainsaw Man. But you need both. I mean,
there's the hardcores that we'll enjoy it too, But to
get more people into anime in the first place, you
need movies like Demon Slayer that obviously have a large,
wide range of attention. Because it's also important to the

(46:16):
fact that for the movie theater goers, for the movie
theater owners and operators, for the studios, you know, they
don't want to just put out movies like Demon Hunter.
If they could put all these anime movies out and
they all make money, that's what's important. That was kind
of the idea of where the Marvel DC movies had
their movies that were the secondary, the B movies that

(46:36):
maybe would also bring people to go and watch a
Man Blue Beetle, right, like those kind of movies out there,
if it'll bring a different audience, And some did better
than others because we could see in the B movies,
the duds and the ones that did really well for
the Marvel side. Also could say for B movies, well,
Deadpoole was kind of the B movie, but also you know,
look at how much money it made, and it's several incarnations.

(47:00):
If one another dud on the DC side, let's just
get the Flash and I want a dud over on
the Marvel side, just look at the Marvels. Just saying, Okay,
I have a few more things I want to bring
up here that are Spotify and among other things, but
we'll take one more movie related or TV movie related
deal that we should talk about right now, and that's
with Sean Aston. He's the president of the Screen Actress

(47:23):
Guild of American Federation of Television and Radio Artists. He
did sit down interview with Variety magazine and a lot
of things have happened under his watch, so he wanted
to go and talk about few of those things. There
was the Jimmy Kimmel ac ABC crisis, the arrival of
AI on Janou, Tillian Norwood, and the Sora Too flap.

(47:45):
The AI stuff going on with Sora Too and being
brought up that got people, Why do I get an
attention to what was going on. So he did an
extended interview with Variety and answered a lot of questions.
When it comes to negotiations on a master contract on
the Alliance of Motion Pictures and Television Producers the AMPTP,

(48:09):
and when it comes to the AI stuff Untilly Norwood,
he bent to point about that the writers and directors
and the actors have to protect their workforce, that Tilly
Norwood is not necessarily a threat in the way it
was being marketed, but agents were all of a sudden
going to begin, I guess moving on the talent representation
business into the synthetic data management business. But the idea

(48:33):
of AI technology and synthetic creations that are alikelikinges to
seem real. That's an absolute threat. We've seen it coming
for a long time. But I appreciate that when it
comes to the SAC after they're in the vanguard, the
industry leaders to help shape policy to space at least entertainment.
And that's why the fight last year in the strike

(48:53):
was so important for them. When it came to the
Sora two situation, when till the Northwood thing happened, we
saw the pushback and they thought it was important to
really invest the right kind of time and energy to
compose the communication that levels set to our members, and

(49:14):
members really seem to appreciate the time we took and
what we said and what we laid out when it
comes to AI. He also says that some of the
public has a discerning curiosity about what about it is
that they're being exposed to. Nobody likes to be tricked.
Nobody likes to have an experience that they have an
emotional relationship and then be told, oh, yeah, by the way,
that was the construct that you didn't know was being
operated on you. So I feel like, you know, they

(49:36):
were willing to support our no faith legislation. I mean
the whole industry, not just sack Astro. He was also
asked about micro dramas. I haven't really talked about that much,
but need a little mini soap operas to come out
now that are getting subscription services and getting a lot
of people interested. They're being well produced, well acted, they
got scripts, but also just being done in a small format.

(50:00):
That one thing that was going on in twenty twenty
that went all by the wayside, that little five minute
thing that they had, I forget what was called so
quickly forgotten. Nobody bought into it, right. They put it
out for free for a little bit, and then all
of a sudden they start to charge money. Everybody dropped it.
It's just funny, so good look at that. A variety
of going to go look at that. One thing interesting

(50:21):
coming up that I also like enjoy with Spotify is
the wrap yearly information they provide every year. I mean,
I'm such a big Spotify fan. It's interesting going to
get that.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Now.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
They have a listing stats feature for premium users coming
up now that I'll pay in the sidebar year round
as a mini version of the rap feature. You can
see how much time you spent listening, who you listen
to most, and a weekly special highlight. And it's being
made available to free and premium users and more than
sixty markets worldwide. So I needed to go look for

(50:58):
that and see what we got for it, because that'll
be interesting to me. I love that kind of information,
what can I say. And also an interesting story coming
out about a lawsuit that came out from a user
saying that Discovery Mode was a form of modern Paola.
They said, anyways, I would read the rest of the

(51:19):
story but the problem is that the Billboard pay wall
that I have in front of me, I can't get
them to go and move out. So we're just gonna
leave it all there. Actually, I finally just open up
for a second. Yeah, editorial playlist is here a modern
form of payola, and that record labels an artists need
to secretly pay to promote their music either which way,
I don't care. Discovery mode is not that big of

(51:39):
a thing. I mean, the algorithm is gonna do what
they're gonna do. So I mean, how much can any
record company do to go ahead and be able to
get some kind of leverage to get their music out there.
When we're talking about streaming, It's it's one thing to
new polo on a radio station, but they're doing on
a streaming plan. There's so many choices of music to

(52:02):
listen to and so many other places that go. You
got to just hope that you get some of those
on the algorithm and they'll actually go ahead and look
at it and say, oh, you know what, I'll try
it out. But that's such a small amount, and I
might be in that in that category pretty much. I said, anyway,
come back next week. One of the broadcasters podcast. Remember
the content is king, and the control of your content

(52:23):
is in your hands.

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