Allagash UFO Incident: 4 Dudes in the Woods

In this episode, we crack open the campfire classic that is the Allagash UFO Incident—four buddies on a canoe trip in the deep woods of Maine are suddenly sucked into a night of high strangeness, lost time, and alien probing (allegedly). Was it a shared hallucination, a government experiment, or a real-life alien abduction? Grab your fishing poles and your tinfoil hats—we’re diving deep.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Happy Pride Month. All those guys out there that say,
huh that waner ain't just for peeing, it's for sucking
to Welcome to the Brohio Podcast. After two weeks of
being away from one another, crazy man, we finally reunite.
Streets can't hold us back noted in it feels so good.

(00:41):
We're here.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
And it's queer.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, work, quit's Pride month. We're queer. Who cares? Call
us what you want, call us what you are. I don't.
I don't care either. Listen, Timmy for just a sec,
just everybody, take a deep breath.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Listening in through the nose, out, through the mountain.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Just deep breath. Whatever you're going through, whatever the world
is thrown at you.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I hope it's awful.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Let's ignore it for a couple. I hope it's really
really bad. Ope it's more than God, more than God
never gives you more than you can handle, or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I just want you to let it all go for
the next hour and a half. Just be with us.
We're gonna be with you. And I know tough for
everybody right now, and uh, life, well, it has a
good way of sneaking up and grabbing your pussy flaps
and yanking on them, or grabbing your taters from the
back and pulling on them.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I hate when life grabs my pussy flaps.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, you know, let's just let's just disembark for a moment.
Let's let's just chill out together. Let's all be friends,
let's all be together.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
We'll guide you through, we'll take care of you. You're
in a good place. You're in a good spot. Okay, okay, everyone,
just chill hello, just chill the fuck out. Who cares
about Donald Trump and his tariffs for a couple hours ours? Okay,
We have some new patron What the fuck are you doing? Man?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I don't fucking know. Man, I'm just I don't know
what's going on over here.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
You're changing everything. I'm not trying to you're changing everything.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
What is going on? I think it's maybe with this
being over here.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
You're ruining it.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Ruined it.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Roberts using a computer that the cats have been laying
on for three weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's possessed.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I think they've broken it.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's partially working.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
We have some new Patroon subscribers, starting off with Matthew Galloway,
or in honor of Pride Month, Gallagay. Thank you, Matthew
for your Patroon pledge. Thank you for being a friend
of the show. I was once the wedding officiant for
the Galloway family, uh or Mike Galloway to school with him.

(02:59):
I officiated his wedding and I sent you a picture
of his ex his ex wife today, his ex girl. Yeah.
I was like, who, We're the only two people from
our class not doing hard time right now? I swear
or hard drugs, Well, I mean I do hard drugs.
Those are hard drugs. Yeah, those are some really fucking

(03:19):
hard drugs. Drugs so good they launch you fifty years
into the future. Kind of look like a time traveler
for sure. Look like whatever serum they give you on
the way back, She's like, nah, I don't need.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
That poor thing.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
And next we got Grace Summoner. Thank you very much, Grace.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
In honor of Pride Month, we're gonna call her Grace
cumnor Elliot. Everyone gets a special Pride name this this
week in honor of Pride Month.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
All right, sounds good to me.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Man Toyota. They turned their profile picture in a rainbow flag.
Everyone's making their shiit rainbow colored. I had a really
horrific incident when I went to a red It's the
game one time and I was pulling up on the
boat because they drive you acrossing a boat and I
didn't know it was Pride month. And Emily and I
got off the boat and there was a we were

(04:09):
getting closer. I was like, is that very is that
large woman wearing lingerie? And I got closer and I said, Oh,
that's not a woman, that's a man. And he had
his nipples chained to his genitals with a chain and
a locket. He had everything chained together.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
It's classy.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
And Emily said, why are they doing this? And I said,
it's a Pride month, baby girl, They're letting that thing
hang out.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Don't you be discriminatory? Discriminatory?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Next up, we have Rebecca Anderson uh in honor of
Pride Month. What are we gonna do with the Rebecca asterson?
Thank you, Rebecca. We changed your last.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Name to it, but.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
We love you, Becky. I wonder if anyone ever calls
you Becky. Probably I'd hate if I was If I
was named Rebecca and people call me Becky, I'd get
so upset. I'd say, don't you fucking call me that? Yeah,
I get that, you know, I put up that all
call for I want people to call me Lex because
of my last name. Yeah, And I don't think because

(05:23):
you know, my last name is Alexander, and I know
Lex is in my name, And I said, that'd be
pretty cool to go by Lex, right, And I don't
really want to go by Lex anymore. I just want
to go by dir, which is the last three letters
of my last name, Nicholas.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Just go by Houllas, h l A. Just go on
that hullas. Yeah. Yeah, I'm burt. So there we go.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
This one doesn't need a pride, no thing.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Big d Daddy Junior, Yeah, dude, I gotta be the junior.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Though everyone likes a big d daddy. Yeah, seniors aren't
the only ones that need to get Fox. It is juniors.
Our Wi Fi network growing up was big dick Daddy
from Cincinnati. That was like when we were the first,
we were the first house on the block to have
Wi Fi.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
If that is that person's real picture, that person's fucking
cock Diesel. Anyways, that's definitely a big dick daddy.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
We'll whip his ass. Dude, yeah, get him in a
small room. We'll rough him up. Oh fuck you, Thank you,
big big d Daddy Junior.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Appreciate you, buddy.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
How about Stephen Kahn or aka Stephen Come Al was easy?
That was easy, mister Kahn. And on our Pride Month,
you're Stephen come Stevie. You mean the world. So we're
very very thankful that you're here. And we hope that
this leads to a very long, long, fruitful business relationship.

(06:51):
Thank you, Stevie.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
And last but not least, we got Alex l And
for our Pride Month, we'll call him. I lick the
the fucking back of your balls to the tip of
your dick.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
I was just gonna go Alex Lesbian because the last
name is el so turned into is lick Alex the lesbian?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Either way? Either way, I'm looking at from front to back.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Either way. Hey, we got a newspaper article from o'calli Florida.
Does o'calla woman arrested after punching officers testicles and refusing
to pay tab at steakhouse there You ain't gonna pay
for that, Sirland Man. Dude, you know you ever go

(07:40):
that place by your house called the Covered wagon. Yeah, God, dude,
I got a great place.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Man.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Steak seasoning and steak butter there for New York strips
the other night. Yeah, hands down the best steak I've
ever cooked.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Them almost know how to do it, man, they do.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
And you wonder what's under there. You wonder if they
got hairy assholes and shit lots of hair the Hey, mama,
show me what that asshole do.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Remember you got that one Amish woman beat because you
talk to her when you're picking up your dog.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
She's picking potatoes with her feet out in the yard.
I saw you talk. I saw you talking to the
mound in the broken down truck. Yeah, Kara, to explain
why you was doing that. He needed he needed water.
I didn't need water. My radiator blew up.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah that's right, that's right, Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
A thirty two year old woman was arrested for allegedly
refusing to pay her If you know how Harry Amish
women's butts are, send us an email Brohio podcast at
gmail dot com. Please thank you. Management.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Thirty two year old.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Woman well, she was arrested for allegedly refusing to pay
her tab. A little dining dash baby out there in
oh downtown Okalla and well punching a police officer from
the testicles after she was arrested outside the restaurant. A
man let's find her name. On Tuesday, May sixth, several
Okalla Police Department officers responded to Mark's Prime Steakhouse at

(09:09):
thirty South Magnolia Avenue in reference to a woman identified
as Rachel King who was refusing to pay her tab.
According to the police report, one of the officers entered
the restaurant. King was observed setting at the bar, and
the report stated she appeared to be well intoxicated. A

(09:29):
manager informed the officer that King was refusing to pay
her tab, which totaled ninety nine dollars and fifty three
cents nice. The officer assisted with the escorting King out
of the steakhouse into the patio area, where she sat
down in a chair. According to her report, a bystander
offered to help missus King by getting the cash she

(09:50):
needed to pay for her tab, though she would first
need to send the money to the bystander via venmo.
The report stated that King gave the office her permission
to assist with sending the money to the bystander via venmo.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Is that her right there. Hell yeah, I'd let her
punch my balls, bite me on the nuts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
While the officer was attempting to send the money while
using King's cell phone, King allegedly while she became agitated,
I ain't paying for no potato skins, paying for no
Mott sticks, and stated that the officer should just leave
her alone, leave me alone. King then snatched her phone
from the officer before allegedly raising her right fist as

(10:37):
far back as she could. King then proceeded to punch
the officer in the testicles.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
You reached back to next week you want one, I'm
gonna give you one.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
You will one, which caused the officer to feel quote
extreme pain. Well yeah, yeah, even if it's a fucking
woman swinging, getting a full fist right to the grundle
that fucking hearts, even if the dogs swing and I
sent you a video the other night and me get
hitting the nuts by my.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Dog, Yeah you did. She is. She goes right for
your balls all the time. And man, yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
She was arrested and a play she posted bond at
seventeen and a half thousand dollars, so it sounds like
you know, she didn't have money for dinner, but she
had money to post bond to the tune of seventeen
and a half thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Amen, gofundmes are crazy now.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
You nasty o. King is well. She's been charged with
battery on a law enforcement officer and swindling, defrauding and
innkeeper of less than three hundred dollars dude, swindling as
cool as fuck, man, dude, they're gonna chop they'nna let
a night chop her head off.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
It sound so old school. That's a charge swinging swindle.
How dare you swindled?

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Me?

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Ye autres right, cho King calls before the call Todge
went swimming and de frouding and then keep off less
than three hundred shillings sounds Jay will report to dad

(12:16):
by hurgging. I'll do competition.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Spot on on.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Let's fucking killer, dude, swindler. Let's beat her up good
times man. Okay, So we got an email. We got
an email from someone that said, oh my god, you
had pro life and pro choice ads on the podcast,
and I said something about this in the dark vault.

(12:47):
We do not control the dynamic ads that you hear
throughout the show. Those are populated. They say, hey, here's
we give them a time slot and they just drop
him in. Ah, there's not a whole lot we can
do about that. So I just want you guys to know.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
The great thing about all these apps is they have
a good little ten second or thirty second fast forward.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Button they do and we click on it. We don't
control what ads pop up on in there.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
We have no control.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
We don't stand by any of it. You know, some
of that ship you hear is fucking fucking bootsy, you know, yeah,
being good.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Unless you hear an ad that says bring me all
the shrimp. I can eat all you can eat shrimp. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
And we also say, hey, if you got something really
good going on in your life, something big that's happened, Yeah, cool,
celebrate you email us and we'll eat and we'll talk
about it on the show. Well, our buddy Logan that
was on the cruise with us, that got deployed overseas, well,
he just got back from deployment.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Hell yeah, dude, that's awesome, and.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
He bought his first motorcycle. Let's go, dude, looks like
you got a KTM ninety. Yeah. It is a little street,
little crotch rocket deal little.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
At the military. Don't send him to the Lord. That
fucking bicycle, little that motorcycle, little brother ay Man right,
ride that bitch like hell.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
We're your helmet logan. We love you, buddy, Love you, buddy.
Glad you glad you're done with that. Thank you for
your cervix. We hope to see you on the next
cruise with all of you on the next cruise, which
I've been in negotiations. There might be some movement on
that soon, so I'll give you guys all the details
once we figure that out. Mootiful, still looking for a
nice venue in Texas to come down and see all

(14:41):
you big ticks on those So if you can help
us out, I'm willing to give my phone number at
this point.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Any major state at this point, I mean, it doesn't
have to be Texas.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
What about Cali, forn.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Cali, fucking Florida. Let's fucking got look.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
At our demographics and see where we're at.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, any any of like the big fucking you know
five states in.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
The Chicago should be doable. Chicago would probably be doable. Yeah,
New York, I don't know. But here's some pro life
and pro I don't what he is even pro life.
Pro life means you you think the baby should never
be aborted, right, yes?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
And the pro choice you can flush it. The government
cannot control what, you know, what a woman does with
her own body.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Amen, sister, let's knock them tubes together. I'll help you
get rid of a baby. I know there's gotta be
a way to do it.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Babies aren't that cool, to be honest, dude. Some babies
sucked many they usually do. Suck man. And then if
like this is coming from you know, two guys with
six kids between them.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, my wife and I I think we there's a
lot of dark details. I won't go into that, but
I very much think that we should not be controlling
a lady's body.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Fuck. No, we have no business doing that.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
I want, I would like I like to control my
wife when I'm making love tour. Yeah, choker and throw
her around.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Speaking of that, you're trying to put a baby in
her butt like a like a real one or just
like a not like not like stuff up baby in there.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I don't think i'd believe.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
A baby elephant. Yeah, duff thought about it a lot.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Not against it.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Today's our fourteenth year wedding anniversary anniversary. Man, thanks man
for here with me fourteen years. A hard cocking, cocking
her down, baby her spending all my money at Target.
Here's a break for our sponsor. Target. I bet it
wasn't Target.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I bet it wasn't either.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I bet it wasn't even close to Target now, but.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
If it was, that's again that you're getting some of
your money back.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, we got ah the slippery slope here, we keep
on getting approached by one of the biggest porn stars
in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I believe, okay, and I don't know they did porn
in New Zealand. This is a young lady that does Okay,
sounds like a fucking Battlefield of Love episode.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Or they're trying to find her name?

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Are we allowed to say it?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Or is it now? I'll say I don't care. Fucking
she got pictures of her pussy and her buttthole online?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Hell yeah, dude, I love science. Hi, Layla, what a
porn starry name?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Layla? What recently? Layla? Layla Kelly is her name?

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Two time porn star.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Of the Year. Hell yeah, good for her.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, she's looking to interview on podcasts and stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
That'd be cool.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I don't dude, she's gonna have an accent, and she's
gonna have an accent, and she's a pornography star. I
that would be a lot though, overcome both of us
to lock in, yeah, and kind of get through that
like we would be required to do. But you know,
loriebat Denburgh, she threw the video up for us. Yeah,

(18:13):
and it wasn't great, but I enjoyed it. This could
I have the opposite effect for us. Yes, this could
be one of those things where we just really do
things we should that we're not supposed to. Yeah, let's
see you find her, I think so. Let me see

(18:34):
if it's I looked her up. Just when Google type
in Layla Kelly porn start and you'll find her. Okay
with the images tab.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Is it l L y or l L E y
l A y l A Yeah, Yeah, last name though, k.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
E l L Y helly. She's new She's from New Zealand,
so she'll have an Australian act.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
She's a key we.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
On with the episode, imagine you're deep in the main wilderness,
four bros chilling in a hot tub, one canoe, a fire,
little fire crackling light the shoreline. The air is thick
with fog and mosquitoes, and all you want to do

(19:24):
is catch some fish and drink some beers, maybe even
get a blowjob for your buddy because Pride Month. Instead,
you end up a board an alien mothership spacecraft, getting
your junk examined by a telepathic, insect eyed creature with
bedside manner of fucking BMV worker.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
I like that, man, Sign me up.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
This is the alligash UFO incident. One of the most
prolific UFO incidents in the history of all UFO incidents is, Hey,
are the cicadas really bad by your house?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
No?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Because I work in Cincinnati and they are deafening right now.
Really yep, Maybe I haven't paid attention. Oh they're deafening.
I went outside today to leave for work, and I said,
holy shit, man, these things are squealing. I don't know
if they're I don't know if they're all having sex
with each other. I don't I don't know if they're
being murdered. Remember these like they're being murdered. Remember the

(20:20):
year we graduated, how bad they were. It would have
been two years before we graduate or no, it was
two thousand and four. It's two thousand and three, was it.
You want to know why? I know because my dad
got me a shirt that said I Survived Cicada twenty twenty,
two thousand and three.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
I mean they were a bad a couple of years
ago too, but that year, I swear, man, it was rough.
It was crazy, Yeah, dude, it was. These things are weird.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
They are really weird, and they just they just squeal, man,
They're just like I can't even make the noise that
they make.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I feel like every year around summer you always hear them.
But then there's a that one every like seven years
or whatever it is when the mass fucking happens. It's
read yeah, something like twelve or something like that.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, in August of nineteen seventy six, four young men.
I'm not making this up, guys. Robert's laughing because they
have a very different last name.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's my name. If my name was Jack Wiener, I
would be so fucking pissed.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
You're the twin brothers, Jack and Jim Wiener.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Twin brother was Jack Wier, I would get that changed
so quick.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Imagine be the twin the guy named Jack Wiener instead
of Jim Wiener.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Their parents were obviously fucking whiskey fans.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
They probably caught up in that, you know, pro live
shit couldn't abored him, so they're gonna give him a
really dumb name.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Oh shit, they try to give him feed alcohol syndrome.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Try to get just named Jack Waener. Oh fuck, he's
gonna have a little dick name him Jack Wayner Jack Wiener.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I love it, dude, It sucks, Dude.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Wiener is the most unfortunate last name.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, as much as you want to spin it like, oh,
it's a hot dog, No, it's a penis, it's a Wiener.
It's a girthy, veined up dick. Yeah, it's not a
hot dog.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
And as we all know about the hierarchy of dick terms,
Wiener is a typically a small one. So I say,
if I say Wiener, I'm usually referring to my dick
fits soft.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Ye. If I text my wife, hey, you want to
see my wiener, it's a soft Yeah. I am not
talking about a gigantus wiener.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, you're not sending a boner, You're.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I am talking about a penis that barely cress the
surface of my pubic hair to where I don't have
to piss through them, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
But the head's barely peeking out of the foreskin, coming
out to say Hi a little bit. Check the air.
It's ground hogging.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
So they are identical twins, Jack and Jim Wiener. They
were uh it sucks, brothers of John and Joe. Testicle,
that's not not real. Charlie Foltz and Chuck Rake rack
Rack great fucking got people named after wieners and titties.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Rakes Rake.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
They set out for a two week camping exponentire and
a canoeing adventure in the remote Alleygash Wilderness Waterway and
Northern It's beautiful up there, man, sure it is. That's
for Joe Biden rides his bike ground ship.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
They were got the tassels on the really little basket.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
They were art students from the Jim and Jack Wiener
were art students from the Massachusetts College of Art and Design.
They were just really they're just seeking a break from
city life and they want to go out in the
rugged and pristine wilderness. They want to get away from
it all, just enjoy one another.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
I mean, there's a really good Unsolved Mysteries episode about
this one. Oh really as really good. Yeah, it's probably
one of the best ones.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Camping in the woods.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
With four dudes for two weeks for sapiens, no homo,
that's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
There's gonna be some come exchange, whether you like it
or not. And here's the thing. Love is love, buddy,
Flash is flesh. And I have nothing more to elaborate
on that part of this episode. I mean, deep in
the woods, It don't matter. Oh, I'm gonna be deep
in the woods, all right. What they got instead was

(24:46):
an experience that would haunt them for decades, and it
would go on to spark international media attention and cement
their story as one of the most prolific and famous
UFO abduction cases and the history of all UFO abduction cases.
The uh The Allagash Wilderness Waterway is a sprawling network
of lakes, rivers, and forests and Aristoke County, Maine, with

(25:08):
a population of you guessed at two hundred and seventy
seven in the nearby town of Alligash. It's a hunter's haven.
It's frequented by hikers. It's frequented by campers. It offers
a gorgeous view of the night sky when the when

(25:31):
the sun goes down. It also it offers a beautiful
amount of just isolation from the world. You Bart, you
can do hard farting out there, if that's your thing.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, did you watch that big flip video I sent you?

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah? I think that's just a guy like you were
in a suit, Robert. Yeah. Yeah, but that was like
you and something you and I would do.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Hey, go stand on that ledge. I'm gonna come out
in a big foot suit.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Hey, buddy, I'm ana sing behind a drone. I want
you wave at it. Yeah, you're waving. Yeah, And I don't.
I don't necessarily know if I feel like I wants
to be real.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I just want to be real.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
And it just seems like every time someone brings forward
a bigfoot video, it looks like they've filmed it on
a on a fucking sweet potato.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
What are we doing, dude? I have videos of aliens
mating on the surface of the Moon, and I've never
shared those with anybody, But I've got a pretty good
zoom on my phone, Okay. And the fact that we're
still still out there filming yeah, glory Bigfoot filming Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Is it big feet?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
More than one three sixty k or whatever it is?
That's a Tony hawk move. That's not a video resolution.
The area, the remoteness, with thousands of acres of untouched wilderness.
It sets the stage for a story where anything seems possible.

(27:06):
No street lights, no cell phones. It was, in fact,
nineteen seventy six, just four dudes with the last and
two of them with the last name Wiener, a canoe
and the great unknown. Jim Wiener, the brother of Jack Wiener.
He was twenty three years old. He was an art student.
He suffered a serious brain injury in nineteen seventy three

(27:28):
after falling off of a roof, and he later developed
temporal lobe epilepsy. Okay, I don't know if you've ever
camp with someone who has epilepsy.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I don't think I've ever met an epileptic before I have.
I don't think they really promote it though right now,
unless they fall asleep. I have a I have family member.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
If you would, if you would meet them, you'd say, Okay,
this motherfucker's got the IQ of a of a of
a rock, but he's not What's called what's that word.
I don't believe he's neurodivergent. I just believe that he
suffers from epilepsy.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Okay, is it undiagnosed partially?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
No, But I think he's over medicated. And I think
that can be that that can be a lot of
what most when you meet a person with epilepsy and
they may not seem like they're all there, well they are,
in fact all there. I just think they're all nuked
up with drugs that had for him to function.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
They're just tired, very tired, tired.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Tired and worn out, just like us.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Dude, I feel it. There's like all of us.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah. Jack Wiener the one you guys are most excited
to learn about. Well, he was Jim's identical twin brother,
and he was also an artist Charlie Foltz. He was
considered the rational one of the bit of the bunch.
He was. This was a very eccentric group of humans.

(29:00):
They were different. They marched the beat of a different drum.
They you know, they were art students. Not to say
that all art students you're just different. But I think
if you took a poll, a lot of them are
move against the grain.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, they love.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
They dye their pubes and shit, they braid their armpit hairs,
whatever they need to do to feel comfortable in their
own skin, and I support that one. Then you got
Chuck Rake. He was the bohemian of the Wild, the
Wild Crew. He was more eccentric and more of a
wild card than anybody else. This is the kind of

(29:39):
guy you know. You put him in the back of
the van, he say hey, buddy, you want to stop
for hot dog? And then he doesn't say anything, and
he say, hey, man, you hungry, and then you don't
hear anything, and you're like, bro, and you look back
there and he's doing hardcore fucking drugs.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
You're just because he has his dick has a zipper.
Everybody want a hot dog.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
He's guys dick hanging out on you got the goat
seat ready for you, painting it like one of those
rocks you hide for other people to find. And he's like,
we're gonna hide this later. I'm gonna hide in your ass.
I'm gonna hide my I'm gonna hide my dick inside
of you.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Jack Wiener, you gotta paint it like a duck on
the fucking door knob of a jeep.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
What color do I gotta paint this thing to make
you want it?

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Just hanging brain dog, Jack Wiener.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
These guys, they weren't UFO bops or conspiracy theorists. They
were just students at the Massachusetts College of Art and Design.
They were just simply hanging out in the woods. They're camping, canoeing,
They're just having a good time. But their goal it
was just peace, nature and artistic inspiration. They had no
intent of being involved in any type of alien interrogations, abductions, beings,

(31:01):
what have you.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I mean, I feel like you can't really, you know,
go out with the intention on that happening I do.
I mean, you can manifest it.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
I guess every day I say to myself, please God,
lower a spaceship and let it suck me up. Oh
shit like a reverse toilet. Yeah, and I will have
those aliens and stitches. I'll have them laughing. Yeah, they'll
be ready to make me their best friend.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Dude, speaking of weird shit like that. So, I was
scrolling through my reels today and a video popped up
of it was a JRE episode and he was talking
to Bill Burr, and he asked him a very great question.
And I wanted to ask you, if you had to
be eaten by any animal, what animal would you pick? Oh, man,

(31:59):
that's a fucking good question.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
I'd have to say a whale.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
That's that's smart. That's smart.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I feel like it wouldn't be slow, painful death. I
mean you'd obviously drown, sure, but I feel like a
whale or maybe an elephant. Yeah, I just feel like
I I want to get eaten by something smart enough
that I can reason with, like, hey, buddy, why are
you doing it?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
I know, I know that big cats like to go
for the neck because they can break the neck real quick.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I don't want to fuck with a cat.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
And but yeah, and that's that's my problem. Is like
they got claws, they got those teeth, and they can't
necessarily kill you right away unless they get your neck
and you know, break it. And it's like a lot
of those animals, like some of like the fucking real
rude ones, they like to fucking each from the asshole first,
so well, dude, like each it from the out, from
the backside out.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
That might even feel good. Yeah, I mean sometimes I'll
just lay out their naked and just you know, say myself,
what if a vulture comes down and starts trying to
pick my butthole, right, yeah, let him learn the lesson. Yeah,
let him learn that everything dead doesn't taste good.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, and it, you know, it really made me think, like,
I don't I don't want to be eaten.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
I don't want that to happen.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
It doesn't sound fun.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
That's why I pretty much stick to the crib dog. Yeah,
Wi Fi tat chips and stuff. I just hang around
here because once you go putting yourself out there to
be eaten by elephants and whales, and you're asking for
it at that point, why are you in a position
where you can be eaten by this animal?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
That's why I you know, I just finished I finally
finished Love on the Spectrum.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's so good, Probably one of.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
My favorite shows I've ever watched on Netflix. It's amazing.
I love Connor.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, he's the best.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I'm glad he's got some.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Puss so you you did see yeah, fucking James dude,
he's slaying hotties. Man. Yes, that dude's a puss magnet.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Wasn't anything wrong with that at the end all for him? Yes,
I think I would like to ask your really.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
What about them? Them all them kissing? How fucking awkward
is that? Dude?

Speaker 1 (34:03):
When Maddie starts getting dry fucked by the bat cowboy
boyfriend in front of her dad, it was mortifying.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Dude, there's that's that show makes me cringe harder than
any show.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
I think that was so cool about it. He's like, yeah,
all right, all right, yep, that's good.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Can you imagine that there and watching your daughters get
tongue fucked? He just like, oh.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
She had a daughter that was on the spectrum like that.
You just say yourself, she's so sweet. Oh dude, she's
the sweetest, both of them are. You would say, oh, man,
I just pray that one day she she experiences her
first kiss and then you they come over for dinner
and he's just like, they're tongue fucking each other.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Dude, I think he might be faking it. I think
he just wants some of that tardy tang.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
He has this ship. He's like, yeah, I'm a DJ, Yes.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Sir, that's that song's in the key. Indeed, he fuck
knows that ship. Alan Jackson Chattahoochie, oh ah, that's the
key of g minor. He's fucking rain man of the
country songs.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I love it, lot know, they're fucking dude.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
God, if you guys don't watch that, you need to
watch it. It's so good. It's so good.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
It's brought me so much joy it.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
They're amazing, like all of them are amazing.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I follow Connor's got a really good Instagram page.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Dude, Yeah, he does. His sister though, Man, I love
I love his sister.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
We'd have to do something with her, Midge, and might
invite her down here. This okay. The Allygash four story
begins on August twentieth.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Thing.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
We're coming up on this. We are nineteen seventy six.
The the groundwork was late a couple a couple of
nights earlier. On the second night of their trip, while
camping on the Chamberlain Lake, Jim Wiener spotted a bright
object in the sky for about thirty seconds before it vanished.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Odd.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
And while it was odd, it wasn't earth Shaw Okay,
So all I mean all the timing we especially now
you see shit in the sky and it's man, whatever
happened those drones that were over New Jersey? There was
some here?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
I heard there was uh searching for radioactive material. What
I ended up hearing about that? Okay, but we just
you remember that there was like the drone panic for
a month or so.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I remember that.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Two nights later on Big Eagle Lake, Well that's been
things think got a little weirder. We'll say. The group
was out fishing in a canoe under a pitch black sky,
and it had a large campfire burning as a beacon
to guide them back to shore. Chuck Rake was the
first to notice a glowing object described as a bright

(36:52):
as the sun object hovering above them. When Charlie Folks
signaled it with a flashlight, the the object responded with
a beam of light that seemed to track their movements
as they frantically paddled back to shore. And this is
where it gets even spookier. When they reached the camp site,

(37:12):
their roaring fire that they had just set had burned
down to embers, suggesting far more time had passed than
the twenty minutes they thought they had been gone. Now,
this missing time theory, it became a hallmark of their story,
and it's also a classic symptom of all UFO abduction cases.

(37:36):
Missing time, it always goes along with people that claimed
to have been sure abducted.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
And now I will play Devil's advocate and I will say, well,
I don't know if this is Devil's advocate, but I
have had plenty of fires where that wood has burnt
up very fucking quickly.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, but not down to embers. If you're using camping logs.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
It's just if you're actually using logs, yes, yes, If
you're using like fucking sticks, that shit's gonna burn up
real quick.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Anyways. If you're using like a log the size of
the one I dropped in the toilet today about twelve thirty,
then that thing will burn for four to six hours.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I'll vouch for that because all the way, you know,
about thirty miles away for where I was at, my
water pressure dropped right around that time. Had toilet at
my work. So that explains the other day.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
I was out playing with the dog and the kids
are out there, and the neighbor came over, which he's
a cool dude. Yeah, he said, you guys been having
water pressure problems, and just like no paws at all. Uh,
Paisley goes, my dad doesn't flush after he peas.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yellow lnimellow, it's brown, flush it down? Maybe, Hey, do
you think you think our turns have ever touched on
the plumbing before?

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Do?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
They probably ride each other like like from my house
to your house.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
It's probably like milow notis dude or just you know,
they probably tagged team. They team up, talk about what
infections we have and ship.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
They have to eat the same personality each time.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Compare food, I gotta do. Come here, everyone.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Surfing around all day? Wait for you how much watermelon
corn has been eating? The weather's gotten warm? Is this
ship that people fucking give us for?

Speaker 5 (39:34):
You're not gonna believe that Robert has the diabetes. He's
gonna die.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
We only hope.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Die, man die. I beat this motherfucker Wilfred Brimley's fat
porky ass. They reported the sighting to a park ranger
the next day. Nothing park ranger loves more than a good,
good old fashioned UFO report, who suggested it was just

(40:12):
a spotlight from a new hardware store, an explanation the
group they well, they said, that's complete nonsense. The light
that we saw was not coming from a hardware store.
It was hovering above us like a spacecraft. For the
next six days of their trip, they saw no more
strange lights, but the experience stuck with them. And I
know what you're saying, Oh my god, this story is

(40:34):
already over. But no, the story doesn't really begin until
they actually leave the camp site and kind of move
on with their lives. One important detail I do want
to recall. None of them remembered paddling back to the bank.
Whenever they were had the they were kind of spooked

(40:57):
by the object over top of them. Yeah, none of
them can recall paddling back to the bank. Also, they
didn't talk about what happened at all that that night.
All right, for the rest of the trip, I'm s try.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
I find this to send it to you.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
How are we doing?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
It's a the clip from months old mysteries?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Okay, but the next uh yeah. For the next six
days they didn't see more lights, but the experience it
did stick with them. The story might have ended as
a creepy campfire tale, but nineteen eighty eight things took
a turn. Jack and Jim Wiener started having doesn't get old.
They start having vivid nightmares about being abducted and probed

(41:45):
by aliens.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Oh fuck, how shit, You're so deep. This is when
shit gets fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Can start. Yeah, the well, they were desperate for answers
to this point. Jim contacted UFO researcher Raymond Fowler, a
respected figure in the field with ties to the mutual
UFO network. You've probably heard it before, it's called moufon.
Fowler connected the group with a hypnotherapist named Tony Constantino,

(42:20):
who conducted separate regressive hypnosis sessions with each man to
avoid cross contamination of their memory.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Look who's in this fucking episode two? Now, look just
look at you know who that is. That's my fucking
bobbles are Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
So let's talk about regressive hypnosis sessions for a moment.
They are a therapeutic technique where a trained hypnotherapist guides
a person into a relaxed, trance like state to access
memories or experiences that may be buried in their subconscious
The goal is to recall details from past events, sometimes

(43:04):
from childhood or even alleged past lives, that the conscious
mind might not easily access. It's often used in context
like trauma recovery, phobias, or, in this case of the
nineteen seventy six Aligas UFO incident to uncover supposed repressed
memories of extraordinary events that was in fact a an

(43:27):
alien abduction. A lot of UFO abductees they can't really
recall a lot of the incident in question, sure, but
when they go through this regressive hypnosis sessions, they can
often pick up little bits and pieces of an experience

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(46:00):
I'll ask you to. Just approach this with an open mind, Uh,
I've never given birth to a baby, so how would
I speculate what childbirth is like. I typically don't eat
my own boogers, so why would I say to someone
who eats their own burgers, Hey, don't eat that booger.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
That's nasty.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Unhand that bogger.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Give me that booger.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Put that booger down.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I'm gonna have to confiscate that booger from you, sir.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
We should start a fucking booger eaters anonymous, like a
support group for people eat their boogers.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
There's no fucking way.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I know why you're all here today, and it's because
you eat your own buggers. And I want to tell
you something about myself. I don't eat my own boogers.
You're all fucking disgusting, and that's why I want to
help you.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Oh fuck, And.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
For four easy payments of seventy nine ninety five, you
can buy my system twelve step how to stop eating.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Your own boogers or someone else's boogers.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
It doesn't help you if you eat other people's bookers
on your own. I can only hear you of eating
your own boogers.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
You can tell the difference in the taste. Oh dude,
you know your own brew.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Oh this is a perfect question for us because I
can fart the most absolutely disgustingly ransom farts. Right, I'm
just like, hell, yeah, smells gone.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
He's ride the lightning, man, I'll just roll in it
like a dog. It's a thing like a dog rolling
and shit. Not even a gay pride thing and just
a pride thing.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
But yeah, they gave me a gay pride thing if
you have a really gay fart. But then at the hint,
the even if someone farts in the building next to
me and I can smell a hair of it, I'm
just like.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Oh, fuck me, a disgusting christ who's sick? Shit ther
fucking biritch.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
You know what I mean? Yeah, now I get that.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I get I've smelled my wife's farts like three times
and fourteen years of marriage, right, almost twenty years of
being together, and every single time I have I'll I
think one dude Island friended her on Facebook after I
smelled her fart for a.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Few days, he fucking blocked her. I got her back
on there, but took her out of your top eight.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
I fucking blocked her from the Wi Fi and shit
you don't get to do that in my presence and
expect me to love you. I didn't marry a barn animal.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Meanwhile, you're fucking cutting them every two seconds.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, there's fucking cracks the foundation.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
From some of my farts, paints peeling, fucking DLit cries
every time you open the door.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yeah, you smell one of my farts and you want
to eat a rotten egg to make it go away.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
There's the link for that, if you to play in
the audio from Oh do you drop it in there? Yeah? Okay,
there's a lot of like, there's a lot of shit,
a lot of shit.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
How am I supposed to sift through there?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
You can kind of if you do the little the
little bar, you can scroll through towards the like twenty
thirty minutes is like right about where we're at right now.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Let's see what we can do. Let's see if we
can find a little little clip of this.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
When they start talking about yeah, probably gonna get deemed
fucking striked out here. Oh that's when he that's when
they get abducted. And then if you go a little
bit farther, they'll they talk about like the the I.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Do have a clip at the end of this at
the end of this episode, cool, there just don't know
where to start. This kind of all over the place.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (49:44):
This is the entire spoiling effect to it, like a
miniature sun, right, it lift the tree tops up like daylight.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Now this Jim or Jack Wiener, I don't that.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I don't know. I don't know which Wiener it is.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
It was absolutely silent.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
After looking at it for several moments, we decided to
signal this thing, and that's when Charlie picked up the
flashlight and squeezed off a message.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
So os.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
The response was instant, such.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
A good voice.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, we will get. We've been copyrighted a lot lately.
We're gonna get. We're gonna strike for that. They deleted
our Princess Diane episode. Yeah, they deleted that fucker all together.
They didn't say, hey, we took this down, fix it.
They just made it go away.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I mean, we used a bunch of audio from that,
didn't we think so? I think so?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
And kind of how this regressive therapy works. The hypnotherapist
uses calming techniques, you know, guided relaxation visualization to put
the subject into a hypnotic state. Where they're deeply relaxed
but still aware and responsive. The therapist prompts the subject
to go back, go back to a specific time or event,

(50:58):
often using open minded questions like what do you see
now or what's happening around you? The subject may describe
vivid scenes, emotions, or sensory details. The therapist gently probes
for details, avoiding leading questions to minimize influencing the subject's memories.
Sessions are often recorded for later analysis. The subject was

(51:19):
brought back to full awareness, often discussing what the what
what happened, or what they'd experienced under hypnosis. All four
men recounted eerly similar stories. Excuse me. They described being
yanked from their canoe by an unseen force, their bodies

(51:40):
tingling as if caught in a static electric field, before
fighting themselves aboard a cold, metallic spacecraft. The air inside
was sterile, almost like an antiseptic smell with a faint
metallic tang. Jack Weener recalled the aliens. He said they
had terrifying faces and their telep pathic instructions. He remembers

(52:03):
they they gave him telepathic instructions that said, do not
be afraid. Jack Wiener got yanked yeah, Jack Wiener.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
You mentioned the fear coursing through him.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Every single night in my bedroom, Jack Wiener shows up.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Man, damn dude, say his name three times into the
mirror in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I was at a toilet at home depot the other
day and Jack Wiener showed up. Oh yeah, dude, I love.
We gonna do about Jack being here?

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Can't do anything, man.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
The procedures were invasive that the aliens gave them an
excruciatingly intimate. The men described being strip naked and placed
on a smooth, icy table that seemed to mold to
their bodies, and the actually held them in place like
a living restrain, like like a giant body love that
held them there. Charlie Foltz spoke of a device resembling

(52:59):
a metallic panel lowered over his chest, its surface studded
with tiny, vibrating needles. It scraped away layers of skin,
leaving him raw and leaving him with these exceptionally painful
patches all over his body. He felt a sharp tug
as the device collected flakes of his flesh, each scrape

(53:22):
accompanied by a faint hum that vibrated in his bones.
Jim Wiener, not Jack Wiener recounted a worse ordeal. A long,
flexible tube slick with an unknown lubricant was inserted into
his lower abdomen via his anus, causing a searing I
don't think it was through his anus. Actually, I don't
think it through lower I think they just stuck it

(53:43):
in through his gut, like through his skin. I made
up the an his part. That's not factual. It was
inserted into his lower abdomen, causing his searing pain as
it extracted what he believed were bodily fluids. He described
the sensation as quote like my insides were being out
slow and deliberate. His body was convulsing against the table's grip.

(54:06):
This is hot, dude.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
It sounds like it would fucking hurt.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
If I were those aliens, I'd be slipping around and
all that come. Chuck claimed he had a clear view
of the procedures being done on Charlie. You mentioned there
was a probe then as a knitting needle, but glowing
faintly inserted into his nasal cavity. The pain was blinding,
a white hot spike that made his eyes water and

(54:30):
his head throb, as if his skull were splitting. He
felt a warm trickle, likely blood dripped down his face
as the aliens collected samples, their emotionless eyes watching him,
writhe in pain. The consistency of their accounts, especially since
they were hypnotized separately, was cited as a very compelling

(54:52):
argument and very compelling evidence of a shared experience. Notably
by identical twin Wieners and Full reported multiple abductions since childhood,
suggesting that the aliens had long term interest in them,
possibly due to the twins genetic similarity. The investigators Fowler

(55:13):
Mac and uh, Okay, we're gonna get into some like
the belief of certain skeptics here. Raymond Fowler the one
of the investigators assigned to this case. He was not

(55:34):
a rookie. He was a former Air Force member with
a background in electronic espionage, and he'd been studying UFOs
since the nineteen forties and author books including the Andrezan Affair.
His nineteen ninety three book, The Alligash Abduction's Undeniable Evidence
of Alien intervention is a cornerstone of this case. And

(55:56):
I'm actually reading that book right now. Compiling a seven
hundred two page research report into a detailed narrative Vowler's
work included transcripts of the hypnosis sessions, illustrations by the men,
and a systematic approach to avoid leading questions. He argued

(56:19):
that the case was quote undeniable due to the corroborating
accounts and the twins involvement, which he believed made them
prime targets for alien genetic experiments. So let's stop there
for a second. Yeah, there is a belief that they're well,
I think it actually happens, and honestly, that humans are

(56:40):
abducted by aliens on the rag or presumably research experimentation
and research or verse engineering or engineering whatever, I don't know,
whatever they do with us.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
To the aliens, identical twins would be much like they
were the Nazis. The Nazis really looked, they really enjoyed
studying identical twins. The Aliens would say, oh, okay, might
be something to this. If we can replicate the perfect species,

(57:18):
these twins might give us a good idea into how
we accomplished something like that. The Aligash case, it seemed
air tight, four witnesses, consistent stories, credible investigators, But in
two thousand and six, Chuck Rake he dropped a bombshell.

(57:38):
In an interview with the County, he admitted in which
The County is a publication, he admitted the abduction part
was fabricated for financial gain. Ray claimed he went along
with the story simply because he was told it would
make millions, but he only recalled seeing strange lights not
being taken aboard a ship. He described the lights as

(57:59):
changing colors white, the red red to green in a
kind of a liquid motion, but insisted there was no
abduction that occurred. He also alleged that the group used
recreational drugs. Uh Hashi sh oh shit, what the fuck
is even hashy? Dude smothered and covered Captain shopp.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Bro Yeah, man, fucking hash And it's.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
It's his belief that the the drug hashish that they
were partaking in it might have influenced their perceptions that night.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Hash it usually abbreviated as hash, is a compressed form
of resin derived from the cannabis flower.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
This is really intense.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
I mean, so it's just cannabis.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Come it's uh, well, they call it dabs essentially just dabs.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Yeah, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
All right, we'll fuck with those dabs. Dog. Those things
take you for a ride. Okay, Oh, they'll make you sick.
They make it rain in your brain.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yep, it's just an active, active ingredient of THHC.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
I'll tell you what. I've never smoked weed and thought
I got abducted by aliens, So I have.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I've been abducted by aliens after smoking weed. So the
streets killed me.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
See the video.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Now, this revelation from mister Rake, it caused a rift
between all the friends, the other three, Jack Wiener, Jim Wiener,
and Charlie. They vehemently denied Rake's claims, calling him a
loose cannon with a violent temper. Charlie Fultz insisted they
only consumed one beer each of the trips start and uh,
and there were no drugs whatsoever involved. Jim Wiener recounted

(59:48):
an incident where Rake proposed fabricating controversy to boost profits,
which the others rejected, leading to their fallout. The trio
stood by their abduction story, arguing Rake's bitterness and desire
for attention drove his recantation. They noted that the group
made very little money from the ordeal, undermining rakes get

(01:00:10):
rich motive. And that's the thing. Over the years. While
they may have done some interviews, yeah, they did not
make a lot of money off of this. There was
really no money to be made, and to stick with
it all these years seems like a little much. So
it also might be just as easy to say, hey,

(01:00:31):
you know what, we fucking line and step away and
not have to deal with it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
It gives you popularity and like a very niche, you know, market,
but that's you know, you're not a celebrity.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Yeah, dude, And I'd say the hardest part of this
episode the research. Sometimes when we do topics and research
in regard to episodes like this, sometimes we like to
reach out to the victims or people related. And I
looked up Jack Wiener and I did see I did

(01:01:06):
see a lot of men doing oral sex with one another,
which frightened me and caught me off guard.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
It's really not a name you can just search up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
And then the craziest thing, why google Jack Wiener? There
was a guy that had a dildo and he was
putting the little corn forks in it, you know, like
those corn forks you used to eat corn with. He
was putting those in a dildo, and I say, whoa, whoa?
I got stuff. I don't want to know what's I

(01:01:36):
don't know. I backed out. I backed out because the
Payane Olympics from when we were younger, that really scarred
me for a lot of shit. Like once I start seeing,
once I start seeing something that I know is could
probably make my stomach turn off, like no way, no way, Jose,
I get that. And if he was about to eat

(01:01:57):
his dick like Corner of College. I didn't want to
be a part of that because what if I was
the first person ever watched that video. Because let's be honest,
how many people google Jack Wiener?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Probably a lot. I mean I would assume if you
did it right now, it's oh look yeah, especially that
being Pride Month, Like you said, Jack Weener, how long
before there's a porn Jack? Just wow, that's a lot
of dick sucking there. It is a really good porn name.

(01:02:34):
If you're a gay porn star. Jack Wiener is like
the perfect the perfect porn name.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
That's all I wass. All dudes get their dick sucked
by other dudes. Every fucking picture.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
I mean I google Jack Wiener, It's just all pictures
of dude's getting sucked off. Actually, actually I googled gay
blow jobs. I got your ass, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Hell yeah, d alls into it? Man, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Shit, You're so easy, dude, You're like, yeah, a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Dudes get their dicks by another guy. Very gay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
The Rake's claim claims, I'm sorry, this is kind of
a weird thing. But what Rake claimed it fueled many
skeptics the missing time narrative or the missing time element
a key pillar. Well, it was dismissed by Rake as
a complete manure, though faults countered those quote quote complete manure.

(01:03:38):
I would never use the term complete manure. It's such
an old white guy, fucking weird thing to say.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
That's complete manure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Though folts counter that their campfires large logs should have
in fact burned longer. Critics point out that hypnosis conducted
twelve years later could have been influenced by UFO pop
culture or leading questions despite Fowler's precautions. The drug allegations
the hashish, if true, added another layer of doubt, though

(01:04:09):
the group's minimal alcohol consumption is corroborated. I will say,
when you smoke weeds, sometimes you know, color and time
kind of bends, but you don't just like see it, Dan,
you don't really hallucinate. Don't hallucinate. That would be like mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Yeah, you're not seeing things that don't you know. Yeah,
you're your perception of things maybe a little skewed, but
you're not fully envisioning something happening that's not.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
And mushrooms are a lot of fun. So there's that.
The Alley Ash abductions exploded into the public eye after
Fowler's book and appearance on the Joan Rivers Show and
Unsolved Mysteries. And here's a little clip from the Joan
You remember the old Joan Rivers show. Yeah, here's a
clip from the Joan Rivers Show. Hell yeah ri.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Ip seventy six, four young men set out on a
two week happy canoe trip in northern Maine. Little did
they know that that trip would change their lives absolutely forever.
Not only did they see a ufo.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Try and as a fucking mono it is which sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
We are back and we are talking with four men
who underwent the mysterious alien abduction when they were still
going to school and now twelve years later, are talking
about it. What what happened started in nineteen eighty eight.
This happened in nineteen seventy six, right, and then you
all went back, you went to school, you got married,
you had lives. What happened in nineteen eighty eight that

(01:05:38):
kicked off this whole thing.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
What started it all was I was being treated at
a local hospital in my town for an epilepsy, a
seizure disorder that I had gotten from a head injury
made that accident, and I was being treated for that.
And one of the type of epilepsy I have is
temple oblimbic, which means temple olympic. Epilepsy had effect, oh gosh,

(01:06:01):
all kinds of things, a lot of parasympathetic functions, breathing,
heart rate, temperature control. It affects my old factory sense,
so I smell things. I have time displacements where I
get confused about what's happening in the immediate time, Lots
and lots of things. An accents came from an accident
that occurred in nineteen seventy eight, and so I was

(01:06:23):
being treated for this, and at that time I was
having these bedroom experiences where I would wake up at
night and there was something in my bedroom that was
trying to pull my covers off the bed. I could
feel them trying to pull me out of bed. I
would be either totally.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Or partially paralyzed.

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
I would hear a voice next to my ear that
sounded like something.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
This is my favorite part, Get me a Weener, that's
my favorite part when he does the alien voice. This
is nice.

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
Nice was trying to talk to me, but I could
never understand what it was. Would you like to hear
I know, this is exactly what sounded like.

Speaker 8 (01:07:02):
It was like wow, yo, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
It was a kind of thing, dude, just having a stroke.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Those of you at homely missed that.

Speaker 8 (01:07:17):
Y yeah yeah yeah yeah like wow yo yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
It was like wow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
So it's just a drunk Native American as all was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
You could never take a Wiener seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
You can never take a winner seriously. Now, the Unsolved
Mysteries uh segment, with its dramatic reenactment, it gripped the audiences.
It portrayed them in in complete terror as they paddled
from a pursuing light.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
You know, it's it's definitely left to mark on a
lot of people. I mean, for for goodness sake, Robert,
here's like I remember the Unsolved Mysteries episode it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
It's scared the fuck out of me. Hey, it scared
the fuck out of me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
You're just like I would hate to be in the
woods with four other guys to be interrupted.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Two with the last name Wiener.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Yeah, yeah, you want to know why they call me
Jack Winger.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
It's a great episode, man, look it up. It's the
whole episodes on YouTube. Look it up, google gay blow job,
sweater at it. It's a really good episode. That's the
one that stuck with me, like the entire Yeah, my
entire life. I remember that episode.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
I'll watch it. Check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
It's really good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
The case inspired books, podcasts, and documentaries all the same,
including a two thousand and three Port Portland Press Herald
interview with Foltz and Jim Wiener. Alig Ash Brewing Company
even leaned into the lore a little bit. Though they've
been a better known for their they're they're well known
for their UFO beer. The incident remains a kind of

(01:09:03):
a touchdown in UFO culture, often compared to cases like
the Travis Walton nineteen seventy five abduction, the Fire in
the Sky incident, or the nineteen sixty one Betty and
Barney Hill case which a man I really really love
that case. This has been done so many freaking times.
It's multiple witnesses and detailed accounts make it very I

(01:09:23):
will say, compelling, But Rakes that bitch. His recantation and
skepticism about hypnosis kind of keeps it devisive a little bit.
In the UFO community, the Wieners and Faults, they stick
to their story back by Fowler and mac The consistent

(01:09:47):
hypnosis accounts the twins genetic angle and the missing time
suggests extra something extraterrestrial, but aliens have targeted them for
experiments has claimed the idea of a human hybridization program
popularized by researchers like David Jacobs. It adds a layer
of intrigue, possibly making the twins a bit of a

(01:10:11):
DNA cosmic prize for the aliens. Rake's twenty sixteen confession
points to a money driven story, though the group's minimal
profits that kind of weakens their motive. Critics argue the
men as artists had creativity to craft a vivid tale,
possibly inspired by a sci fi movie or television show.

(01:10:34):
The lack of physical evidence beyond their drawings and the
regress hypnosis In the Delayed hypnosis sessions support that view.
Rake's drug claims suggest hashish would have altered their perceptions,
mistaking natural phenomena like a meteor shower or atmospheric lights

(01:10:57):
for what would actually be a UFO. Boltz's denial in
the group's limited alcohol use counter this, but it's a
plausible angle for skeptics. Skeptics like doctor Cole propose false
memories from hypnosis or cultural influences the OZ factor that
they call it a reported shift in a consciousness deering

(01:11:19):
abductions could be a psychological state, not alien induced Sleep
paralysis or shared delusions among close friends might explain the
nightmares as well. The Park Rangers hardware store spotlight theory
that is viewed as very weak, but other possibilities like

(01:11:41):
military aircraft, ball lightning, or a meteor shower as noted
by the in the nineteen seventy six tran UFO case,
could explain the lights that they are seeing. The missing
time might be a perceptive air not really an abduction.
I lose track of time all the time. Man boy

(01:12:02):
just was working on some stuff at work today. I said,
I can't wait to get this done. It was like
one o'clock. I looked up and it's like four thirty.
I'm like, oh man, I got it. That's what the
fuck happened. That's pretty nice. Whenever that happens at work. Yeah, yeah,
I was like, it's time to go. Yeah, Rob Dog's
coming over and he never comes over anymore. I gotta
get here, strike while the iron's hot. So it is this,

(01:12:25):
this allig Ash abduction incident. It's a bit of a
roller coaster of belief, skepticism, doubt, disbelief, a little bit
of cosmic mystery. I don't know whether you lean towards
aliens or a clever hoax or something in between. The
story's staying power lies in its human element. Four friends,

(01:12:47):
not homosexuals, whose lives were forever changed by one night
in the main wilderness and what they believe to be
an encounter with an alien spacecraft. Well, for me, these
guys are ride this motherfucker all these years. Even Pete
Rose eventually is like, all right, all right, I bet

(01:13:08):
on baseball, Okay, the stick is up. It Just to
ride something like that all these years with no payoff,
there's nothing sure, there's nothing to gain from it, and
it does make you wonder why fucking old fucking rake turned, he.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Went, he went, heel, he did, he'll turn.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
I mean, it makes sense that they were that. He said,
we gotta we gotta make this more dramatic, we gotta
make up. And they said, we're not going to make
up anything else. It is what it is. We're not
gonna we're not gonna change our story. And he didn't
like that, so he pulled out, right, and my couch
pulls out, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
So it's it's a great story. I mean, I think
that I would like to think that it's real.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
I know it's real. I've talked to the people that
did it. Okay, the aliens. Aliens, they've abducted me and
they circumcised me twice.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Oh fuck, well, your dick's all head.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
My mom and dad had my hood cut off, right,
the aliens just cut my dick off.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Okay, Yeah that sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
It does suck, dude, It doesn't get sucked, but it sucks. Yeah. True.
What does a bungee jumper and a gay dude have
in common? No idea. If the rubber breaks are we're
going to be in deep shit. Oo well played, you know,

(01:14:32):
my dad said the other day, he said I'm hearty.
You say I'm more turned on than a woodpecker and
a lumber yard.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
So what did you? What? What? Run that back? He's
got a new boat. Man got a brand new boat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Hell yeah, good for him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
My mom retired from the school system after twenty five
thirty years. So congratulations my mom. She's retiring, and you know,
the school district put up this post like a dedication
dedication to my mom. Sure, congratulations Brenda and your retirement
years of service. In retirement, she plans on spend time

(01:15:11):
with her grandkids and resting. And I commented on there,
I said, does this mean we're not having Christmas this year?

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Mom? Did she say anything?

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
No. A bunch of people laughed at it, but my
mom didn't say anything. She gets embarrassed by me, man.
I honestly don't think she wants people to know that
we're related. Sometimes I could, I could understand that, Hey,
are you Nick's mom, and she'll flat out and be like, no,
I don't know that, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I don't know Nick.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
I don't know him. He wasn't breastfed, if that's what
you're asking. He used to live with me. I don't
know him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
We're not that, we're not that familiar with each other.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
I know of him. That's why I say when people call, like,
you know, someone will call me, I'll say, oh, you
know such and such, you know a debt collector. Sure,
debt collectors are ruthless. Now they really are, Dude, they
don't care. He'll call your fifth grade teacher and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
They'll show up to your fucking house, knock on your
front door.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Freaking pedietary bill and they're call my dad at work.
He had a fucking gron Tonio cut out and needs to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Pay this bill back in ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Yeah, do you know, do you know Nick Alexander call
him at work? Uh, he's fucking my house, says he's
fucking dad, or he'll he plays the game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
What a good dad, man, What a good dad. He
fucking died yesterday. He's gone. I trying to save.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
I gave him mouth to mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
He said he couldn't take the phone calls anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
His life's words were Jack Whider.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Please pay my punietry bill.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
He sorry he didn't pay his copy. He didn't have
thirty five dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Oh that's awesome, cool, all right, guys, I'm happy to
be back in the groove, happy to be back talking
to you guys, talking podcasts. People always ask me that
it's like a casual, you know, form for me, for us,
a casual you know, for a regular person, a casual
conversation like, hey, my then weather around there. Right. When
someone that doesn't really know me that well or hasn't

(01:17:33):
really seen me in a while, say, hose podcast going
eight fucking years, I'd say it's going pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
It's fucking going.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Man, what have you done with your life?

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Yeah, at this point, it's more powerful than us, it is.
We just show up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
We just feed it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Yeah right, Yeah, we're trying to get these turds to
touch in the plane and the pipes.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Aha.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
They drive around doom buggies and ship dude, dude whatever.
Our turds were helmets when they hang out with each other,
I think they'd have to. All right, guys, we'll have
a great week. We love you so much. Sorry we
missed John Memorial Day. We got two Dark Vault episodes
coming up. One episode is with a guy who overdosed
somebody and killed him the head and then hit the

(01:18:17):
body and he wants to come on the show and
talk about hiding the dead body and being in prison.
We have another young lady that wants to come on
the show. This is a very fluid, active situation, great
relationship with her husband, everything's going perfectly, and all of
a sudden she finds out he's living a double life,

(01:18:37):
cross dressing, different family. It's all kinds of shit, dicks
and fucking holes. Dude, perfect for this month. And uh,
our buddy Kane, he wants to he wants to kill
on the show and talk about killing somebody and burying
the but and hiding the body.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
So fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
I'm so jazzed up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Yeah, sent me that and I was like, holy shit,
this is a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Great I can't wait to tell you bros about it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
So we're gonna do it. Is fucking time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Hell yeah, all right, guys, We love you so much.
Have a great week.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Love you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Hope this episode finds you well. And like I said, breathe,
you're with us, but unfortunately we're leaving you so it's
back to reality. Yeah, back to your shitty life. We
appreciate you, guys, love you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
I want to

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
D