Dark Vault: Life of a Gay Sex Worker

We sat down with Sean Strong, a hustler making his way in the underground. From selling dirty underwear to cam shows and dominatrix-style content, Sean pulls back the curtain on the wild, gritty side of sex work. This one gets raw, unfiltered, and way too real.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
This is the bridal Dark Vault.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
This is secured facility, or please present your identification.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Listeners. Frescious Fizz, Hello and welcome into another episode of
the Dark Vault. I'm your host, the delicious Nicolicious Robert
Dogg has again abandoned me in my time of need
and the Dark Vault. Down in the deepest, darkest crevices

(00:54):
of the Vault, when I needed him the most, he's
not here. It's his wife's birthday and he's celebrating. Okay,
Wednesday nights he has softball doubleheaders. I said, all right,
we'll come over after the softball game on Wednesday night,
which is last night I'm recording this Thursday night. He said, lol,

(01:15):
ah hah huh, we're going out for my wife's softball
birthday dinner. And I thought to myself, what the fuck
is a softball birthday dinner. I don't know, but he
didn't come last night. Today's our actual birthday. So I'm
just being a respectful friend, respectful lover, and I didn't
expect him to come over tonight. So all by my lonesome,

(01:38):
I braved the Dark Vault. I went to mister Sean Strong,
a gay sex worker you heard that, right, And I
know for some of you guys a fucking a long age, Well,
just stop for a second, listen to somebody that potentially

(01:59):
comes from a walk of life that you're not familiar with.
All right, just just give give somebody else the time
to hear their story, to hear what they have to say.
At the end of the day, your life is yours,
their life is theirs. It's just fucking words. Be kind,
be respectful. That's all people want. Man. God, I've made
so many freaking friends, including all of you, by just

(02:22):
being kind being respectful. Most of the time, I'm respectful,
sometimes I'm not. Take me with my faults regardless. I
love you all. I hope you have a tremendous weekend.
This is our Dark Vault episode. Life is a gay
sex worker with our friend Sean Strong. All right, everybody

(02:45):
now the star of the episode, mister Strong himself, Sean Strong,
welcome into the episode. Thank you so much for joining
us this. You're in the Dark Vault if you do
know that, but.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Uh, okay, I'm honored to be in the Dark Vault.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, you're You're not in the closet, but you're in
the dark.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Vault right, correct, correct another closet for a while now,
like like five or six years.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Okay, well, and that's that that makes this story even
more interesting, We'll say, and the the I think the
title of the episode, we're gonna make it like life
of a gay sex Worker or something along those lines.
And you reached out via email and you said, hey, hey, bros,

(03:34):
if you would like to interview a gay sex worker,
I would uh, I would be happy to oblige. And
I said, you know what, that's a little that's different
than what I would anticipate someone reaching out, Like it's
it seems like maybe gay sex workers are a little few
and far between. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not, But

(03:55):
I said, nonetheless, what.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I really heard, what what pulled me in the most,
was you, guys, I sometimes joke about like selling your
underwear and stuff like that, and like, that's actually how
I got started doing this, was by selling my underwear
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay, well, I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Technically I worked as a stripper for a little bit
when I was in college, but just like kind of
here and there, I didn't really get like deep into
sex work until probably like twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Okay, well, we'll start from the beginning, okay, And I
think that you did mention briefly that there you were,
you were married, you were used to be married, that you're, uh,
there's a marriage that you're no longer in and now
was that, Like I guess the end of that was
just that, like you come to the realization that maybe,

(04:44):
you know, women weren't kind of what you want or
was it, uh, did you turn?

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I mean I was bisexualm I'm dating a woman right now?

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
But I actually started I started selling the underwear and
stuff when I was still married because as my wife
was sick and going through chemo, and I had seen
like a read at Ama that was like, oh, you know,
I'm a street guy that sells my socks to gay
dudes for like, you know, thirty dollars a pair.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Da da da da dah.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
And I was like, I'm hot, the dudes are probably
like me, and so, like, you know, I looked up
how this dude did that, and I was like, yeah, no,
I could. I could definitely fucking do that, And like
it gradually progressed from that inspiraled and kind of snowballed,
and then like I guess not always kind of knew
I had some sort of same sex attraction, but like

(05:33):
I'm from like bum fuck upstate New York, like farm
country where like that's not cool, So I never really
acknowledged it. And then once I got split up from
my wife and started kind of experimenting around and stuff again,
I was like, Okay, no, I definitely have same sex attraction,

(05:53):
and yeah, have gone just further. I'm still kind of
exploring it.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's it's only been really five years I've been kind
of out of the closet or whatever, so I'm still
figuring out what fits for me.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Sure, And I don't think there's That's the thing about life, man,
there's no like there's no like one size fits all.
I think you're just uh just living life and enjoy
and doing your thing. And I absolutely, literally, I absolutely
commend you for just being who you are and uh,
you know, just there's nothing to nothing to hide from.

(06:24):
It sounds like you've turned it into a pretty fun hustle.
But well we'll kind of get there. And was there,
So you're you're formerly, I would say, just I I
told mister Strong before the episode, I said, I I
found you on face I think I think I found
you on Facebook and there was yeah, because you're in

(06:45):
the okay. And then I was like, you have like
the links on your profile and I went to the
links and his ex account was pretty wild. There's lots
of pictures of his wiener and lots of pictures of
you know, just like post like I've got some fucking
dirty ass underwear today. Who wants to buy? You know?
Just kind of like.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
And man, you gotta advertise that only fans and sex
work and stuff like that is like, you know, you
just post stuff and people are just gonna come to you. Like, no, dude,
it's so much more work than you understand. And like
the majority of that work is advertising on social media.
Like if you don't get your product in front of
people's eyes, like they're not gonna come and sign up
for it.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
That makes I mean, that makes it's just like anything else,
it's a And that was kind of one of the
questions I was gonna get to later, but I'll ask
you now, do you view yourself as more of an
entrepreneur or you view yourself as a sex worker? Essentially,
I view.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Myself as a sex worker because what I do, you know,
is sex work. You know, all all porn is sex work,
and you know with the underwear selling, that's you know,
it falls into fetish stuff, so that's also sex work
as well. I I don't do any in person stuff
right now. I'm not you know, I'm not saying that
I'm above it. It's just never I've never really had
that opportunity, do you You know, I had one friend

(08:02):
that was trying to set me up with a few
women that were looking for a guy, but it just
kind of never felt, you know, never came through, and
it just seemed like more of a headache than it
was worth.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
So you're like, there there were that there were women
that wanted to pay you for intercourse.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Correct, that's yeah, exactly, not a bad gig, right.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
No, I'd say not, okay, we'll go back. All right,
let's let's go back to me. You're you're in a marriage.
You you're unfortunately or your wife was going through cancer
and you needed a way to kind of make make
ends meet. You found the subreddit about or the ama
about selling underwear. Do you remember selling socks?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
And then I also got into underwear too, So first
it was just selling socks. That's why I thought at first,
really sucks unless you get into like real like foot
fetish groups. Socks don't usually go as well as underwear,
do you. Like you see like the jockstraps and stuff
that I post on X, Like those are by far
the biggest ticket item. People always want to buy those,

(09:02):
and I can. I mean I can get them on
Amazon for like four bucks each and people buy I'm
starting at like thirty bucks, Like and that's before I mean,
you know, like customizable extras.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Like, we'll get there. I'm like, we'll get there.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Hold on, yeah, I don't want to do some stuff later.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Listen, man, I don't want to blow all over a
load in the first five minutes. All right, that's kind
of I understand. That's been a downfall for a majority
of my life. I'm trying to not do that tonight. Cool.
So you started selling underwear, do you remember kind of
all socks and in underwear? Do you remember like your
first what your first few transactions were, like your first
you know, the first time. I guess you said you

(09:40):
started with socks, then you moved underwear. Do you remember
what recall what those first transactions were, Like.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Oh yeah, definitely, because I was definitely unsure of myself
at first, because you know, I mean, I went to
a very very queer college, so I've always been very
comfortable with queer people. But you know, I was still
not really admitting things about myself. And you know, I'm
sure you probably see the way that guys comment on
like women's OnlyFans stuff like gay guys all like that,

(10:09):
but significantly more aggressive, okay, And I did not know
understand how to take people being like, oh God, I
wish I could like, you know, rim your hairy butthole
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
So that was it took some getting used to.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
But I actually started out back when they used to
have Craigslist personal ads. Yeah, and then they shut that down.
So I'm mostly I just read it. And I use
a website called Male Things Worn, which is like all yeah,
old items like shirts, what anything, hats, anything you can
think of, hues. And my girlfriend actually does a little

(10:46):
bit of it too, on a website called all Things
Worn and same thing. It has like a built in
like I'm searching for this item, and you know, this
kind of creator like I'm you know, you know, like
a Harry bear Man like whatever, I can search that.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
I feel like there's I feel like there's an opportunity
in this for me, Sean, is what I really feel.
Like what I mean, I think I think.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
It definitely could, dude, I'm I'm not kidding you. Definitely could.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
I feel like every man listening to this is thinking
to their self, Fuck, yeah, I think I can do this.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
I know probably you got to be committed though, Like
I said, it's a lot of work. And look, the
biggest thing is you just got to be comfortable with
yourself like that. That was the biggest hump for me
to get over.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Sure and just to kind of like realize that something
you may not like about yourself, whether that be you know,
essentially your your your musk, your smell, your your uh,
your cleanliness, that that means something to somebody else. So
I'd imagine that's something you got to kind of adapt
and overcome. For lack of a better term.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, and it's I mean, I will be honest, like,
it's an amazing things for myself image. Like I feel
so much better about myself now than I did this
time like five six years ago. Like good man, Yeah, right,
Like having people gass you up on the internet, like
it feels great.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
It makes you feel good about yourself. Usually people on
the internet are just like, you know, fuck you your fat,
stupid and ugly. And that's kind of the how the
that conversation goes.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
List the man, you're you're a hot bear. You get
in on it, and you know, some guys are more
into the fact that it's a straight guy, like a
forbidden fruit type thing.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Okay, well I was, you know, I was gonna get
to that. Hey, you know that that's something that I
will get to a little bit because I do have
a set of questions kind of uh more geared towards
your like your client tele maybe you can tell me
about your client Teile a little bit. But that first, so,
like that first pair of underwear you sold, do those
just going a zip block bag and then out the door?

(12:39):
Or did you have vacuum CeAl zip block bag?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Zip block bag and I just pressed the air out
of it and then it just goes right in the
mail and just ups it to wherever and the mailman.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
The mail man has no idea he's carrying around your
fucking shit and drawls right.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Not a fucking clue, And yeah, baby, carrying some nasty stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Because people be asking for nasty stuff, do you. It's
just like you do it through PayPal or Venmo or CASHTP, yeah,
all of them. Okay, so it's like, uh, yeah, you
just make the deal and then that's the man. I
I feel like, Yeah, like I said that, there's a
lot of guys thinking right now that you know what oh.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Man, male things warn that's that's the site that I
use for a lot of that. And it has like
you can build your own storefront, like you know your profile,
you know who I am, and then you know you
can organize like your orders through there. So the person
kind of has a little bit of insurance know that
you're not going to stiff them.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah. If I could have back all of my stuff
that my wife has thrown away, I'd be I'd be
I'd be a millionaire. Sean.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh yeah, I've sold every item of clothe you like,
clothing you can think of someone bought, like my old
sweaty bed sheets, like anything you can imagine people will buy.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
So that's the that's the I guess. The underwear, So
let's talk about the underwear and stuff for there's there's
all a cart, there's all a cart order, there's not
just so you know, you may not believe this about
me because the way I talk about myself. But at
the end of the day, when I take my underwear off,
they don't really smell like I've just been shitting and

(14:17):
pissing myself all day. Despite the way I betray myself,
I'm a pretty pretty clean guy, and I'm I'm usually
showering at I'd say not. I'd say my daily average
per showers is like one point eight is and I
you know, I always have clone.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
They had to like start showering less to start smelling
stuff up because like, yeah, I'm I'm a guy that
takes care of myself pretty well. So yeah, usually after
one day something doesn't smell. So it's usually it's usually
a few days to get it to like a baseline
level of ripeness. And then people can add on to
that if they want or if they want, you know,
bodily fluids or things of what have you.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, So, like you said, the baseline when you say
someone orders a baseline pair of worn tidy whities, so
is that just three days of wearing those intermittently? Three
days of constant wear? How do you how do you
go about securing a, I guess that that smell, that
smell that they would like.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's uh, it's at least three days of constant wear.
And I kind of have you know, underwear that I
rotate through even when I'm not selling stuff, so that
I have stuff that's kind of musky and whatever, and
then like, okay, someone orders something. Okay, I'm gonna put
that on and freshen it up for three days, you know,
make sure I'm wearing it. You know, I work at
the gym, so I'm already sweaty in there, and then
I wear it when I work out, and then usually
sleep in it too, so it gets pretty gnarly by

(15:35):
the time I'm ready for it to go. Wear like
a fucking ca the stink bag, and that's where I
like season them in. You know, I got like ten
fifteen pars of underwear in there right now, just you know,
in case someone's like, hey, I need something like tomorrow,
I got them on deck ready to go.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Fuck. Man, that's a scary ass bag.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Oh dude, it's terrifying.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Oh if I had that bag, it'd be crawling through
the house asking for child support and shit, man, that's
that's that's fun. So I guess beyond beyond the Ali cart,
you know, the three days, what's what are some of
more of the take me up the up the tiers
of the dirty undoor, Yeah, take me up the rungs

(16:21):
up the ladder. What what do you got?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I mean, I guess the first edition would be additional
where you know, so I usually charge people maybe like
another five dollars a day or something like that, depending
you know, it varies a little bit. I have some
consistent clients that I'll give deals to, and then next
step up for that, I guess would be pissed in it,
which is gonna be at least another five to ten dollars.

(16:44):
Then coming in it is usually ten dollars per load
that they want in it. And then I'm not as
big on doing scat like I don't know, I mean,
like I'll put some put some stripes and some whitey teities,
but like some kids want you to litle generally just
like take a ship it and mail it. And I'm like, dude,
I'm that's my limit. That's my limit. I'm not just
shitting in a bag for you. And then people also

(17:09):
want to get pictures and videos and me in it.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Oh, yeah, I can imagine that, like, yeah, you want
to see you want to see these things? Yeah, okay,
And I get a.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Lot of people that'll just like buy me stuff and
send it to me to just to wear and send
them pictures in like someone just bought me a Final
Fantasy seven cosplay.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
I'm going to do that over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Like you would not believe how ready people are to
just throw their money away at hot people.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Do you do you? Do you ever? Do you ever
wear women's underwear? Has that ever been a thing at all?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
I wear men's thong, so it's the same thing, but
it has like a pouch in it for your dick.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
And uh, just for all everybody listening at home, judging
off of the photos and your ex profile, there definitely
is a dick there. It's a there is.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I've been told it's a pretty penis gets great ratings
all around. Actually, uh, this weekend I'm going to be
cloning it for someone with one of those Klona Willie kits.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
If you've ever seen those before, oh I have, and
uh yeah, I have no interest in completely disappointing anyone
that much the entire universe, So.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I know, right, it's a lot of pressure. It's like
you got to make sure you're having like a really
good boner day. Like you know, sometimes you have a
boner day and it's not one hundred you know, given
one hundred and ten percent, So I really got to
make sure it's ready to go.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
I have every day is pretty much a bad boner
day for me at this point. But what you know there,
you know, there is the occasional day. Now, I guess
do you do you get to engage very much with
you with your clientele or they are these just kind
of an anonymous buyers, or do you get to know
any of these guys at all?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Or are there a few that are like but close
friends of mine?

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Now? Yeah, like it.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
You know there are a few people that are just like, hey,
I just want this goodbye. But a lot of people
what really sells it for them is like who I
am as a person. You know, if you see for myself,
I do a lot of nerdy stuff, I do a
lot of cosplays. I'm big and I'm real big into wrestling,
And it's you know, my personality and my interaction with
these people that sells it. You know, if you've ever
done any sales job, you know that interacting with the

(19:20):
customers is key, and that's how you upsell people on things,
and you know, just build rapport and so yeah, you know,
I'm friends with a lot of these people on Facebook.
They you know whatever. I you can't answer every hay
message that you get, sure, but you know I have
a lot of people that I chat with regularly that
are regular customers.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
No, it's uh, I've built a lot of really good
friendships out of it.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
You said, you said like shitting in them was kind
of your hard limit. What's what's what's kind of stopping
you from doing that? I mean, there's I feel like
there's good money in it. You can probably clean up
after yourself. Is there just too much of an nick factor?
What's what's stopping you from taking this thing to the
next fucking level? Man, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, I think it's just a little bit of an
eck Factorate. Maybe if it's the handling of it that
gets me is I just don't want to get it
all over on me. So maybe if if I tried
with plastic gloves, you know, I mean, listen down to
do just about anything for money. So if somebody makes
the price right, yeah, I'm gonna be sitting in that
bag and send it to you. So I really just

(20:24):
got to find the right threshold for that.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
There we go. That's what I'm talking about exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I think GM me show me the money, and I
will show you the poop in the bag.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
I will ship. I will ship for you, Sean. If
you need someone to ship in a box, just like
a subcontractor shit ter, I outsource it to you. Yeah,
just be like, I know a guy who lives off
cheese steaks and his ship will be way better than mine.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
And uh yeah, that's like, you know, there's a lot
of these kinks that there's a lot of kinks that
I understand. I even understand, like the scense stuff. You know,
like a lot of times your partner's scent is really attractive.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
But yeah, like I don't get what's arousing about poop,
Like I just I will never understand that. And it's
I mean, but I understand it enough to exploit it.
And that's I'm good with that.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
And you say that some of the guys you said,
you know, you've put some shit streets, some fucking fruit
fruit strikes out some of these things streaks. Is that
just like a half hazard wipe of the ass and
you just go about your day or does it just
kind of happen by default?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Oh No, it's you know, I make sure I get
up in there, you know, especially because it'll be like
right before I put it in the bag, So I'm like, okay,
let me maybe take a dump.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
And just get that up in there right quick.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
So it's you still getting a quality product.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Okay, I'm not skimping on the skids. That's great. Yeah,
have any of these kind of turned We'll get to
the only fans stuff here in just just a minute,
But have any of these interactions turned weird for you
or you felt like your safety's been in jeopardy? Have
and he just that level? Okay?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
You know, I mean I can take care of myself,
so like it takes a little bit to get me
worked up like that. But really, honestly, most people are
pretty respectful that The thing I just get more weirded
about is just the it just relentless like hitting on
like I you know, the amount of dicks and buttholes

(22:24):
I get in my messages every day is just overwhelming,
Like just dicks and buttholes constantly and so like, yeah,
like it's always the guys with the worst dicks and
the worst buttholes that are sending you that stuff. It's like,
I would not be if I were you, I would
not be sending that out.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
You have no idea what the Bruhio podcast Gmail invoice is, like,
my friend, that is all.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, So that's that's probably what's more unsettling to me.
Or when someone says, like someone messaged me and was like, oh,
I think your dick is bigger than my dad's And
I'm like, what, like, your poor dad? Do you not
tell me that unsolicited?

Speaker 1 (23:02):
So are you making you know, you know, you don't
have to tell us exact dollars and figures? Would you
would you say this is a decent side gig or
would you say this is pretty much a form of income?
What would you call it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
This is almost my primary employment. I mean it is
my primary employment now. I only work at the gym
three days a week now.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
And the other the other time you're devoting towards content
creation and getting your underwear as dirty as possible. Pretty much.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, yeah, it's I would say the majority of my
money comes from the selling underwear probably probably like a
sixty forty split that in content.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, so we'll switch towards the when you say you
were talking, you're talking about craigsli Craigslist briefly, was that
just for we're using that for encounters, we're using that
to sell underwear? What were you using that to sell underwear? What?
What like list? What part of Craigslist were you using

(24:03):
to sell underwear?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I was using like the Craigslist like casual encounters thing.
Like basically I would write it as like you are
a guy that's super into whatever dirty underwear and stuff
like that, and then you know, like me the person
willing to supply that, and actually that gout like overwhelming.
At one point I was making like like three grand
a month on just underwear, underwear, like underwear a day.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
What a problem to have? What's the most like what's
the most common thing that clients are asking form? Uh?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Like I said, you know, the the jockstraps sell really
really well. Probably after that would be thongs because that
gets like the asset more on the jocks don't get
as much ascent on them.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
That's what I was about to say. It's like a
jockstrap doesn't give up, your asshole. I assume that would
kind of be second in sales.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, no, it's it's it seems to be the CROCS
smell is like the most common across the board, and
then as smell is secondary.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah the same for me. Man, what do you think these?

Speaker 2 (25:12):
And I'm gonna step back and I'm like, Wow, this
is objectively fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
But it works.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Man. Honestly, I get to work from home. I get
to you know, my girlfriend has a daughter with special needs,
so she needs a lot of care. And like, I
was getting so burned out on personal training. Man, I've
been doing it since I was nineteen, Like, and COVID
really really killed like the fitness industry. A lot of
people made home gyms, like so at this point, I
need to do this to survive, Like I don't know

(25:39):
that I could get enough clients anymore.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, And I mean COVID changed the landscape for a
lot of stuff, but I think it kind of it
opened up a new stratosphere for people that they won't
engage in this type of work, especially the the only.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Fans huge during the pandemic.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, what's the what's the string? Just requests that you've
ever said yes to in your opinion, you know, shock
value aside, What is the one thing that you said, Yep,
I'll do it and you're just like, men, what the
Maybe afterwards you said, I fucking felt really weird doing that.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Okay, I can tell you exactly what are you aware of?
What macrophilia is?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Macrofilia? No, please tell me?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Actually, well, I can tell you that probably the wildest
thing I ever said yes to and the one thing
that like another thing that I will say no to
that I tried that I was like, Okay, this isn't
for me. So that macrophilia is into pretending people are giants.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Down on the ground and like yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
And like like these people would pay me to do
like live streams on like chatterbait or whatever and like
get high and like like sit on blueberries and pretending
I was like squashing people with my ass and like
use little like my wheels cars and like already manage
it like that. Remember, every once in a while, I
just like catch myself in the mirror and be like,
what the fuck am I doing my life right now?

(27:06):
Sitting on blueberries, set up blueberries, squashing them on my ass,
it's not while I'm doing it. Oh my god, dude,
it's yeah that what's twenty is I'm only five foot six,
so I get to pretend I'm tall. Yeah, honestly, that
was sweet if I didn't even really have to do

(27:26):
anything sexual, I just aside from just maybe being naked,
like I just yeah, stopped around and just fucking like
King Kong down to toys.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
See it sounds like me in my bedroom when I
was like eight. This is nothing exactly like.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
But then okay, so then the one thing that is
pushing my limits too far is uh race play, which
is basically exactly what you think it is. It's there's
there's black men that want me to pretend that I'm
like a slave master and called them the N word and.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Stuff, and that's a little like I said, don't.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I'll do a lot of things for money, but like
that's kind of putting me out of my comfort zone,
especially because like if someone sees those videos with no context, like, well,
that's a bad look.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I have a family member who he's not he's he's
one of the sweetest men I've ever met, but he
he looks like a white supremacist. I don't know how
you know he's got he's a skinhead, he's got tattoos
on his head. He just looks like a if you
had to say, like if you walked up to somebody
and gave him a pencil and said, draw me, draw

(28:31):
me a fucking twenty twenty four twenty twenty five nazi,
this is I mean, this is what it would look like.
And uh yeah, this person my family makes a pretty
decent little side hustle by uh getting online and uh
he's like he's like a master. I forget, I forget
how it's uh forget how it's worded. But yeah, there's

(28:53):
a lot of black guys that pay him to talk
to them. I'd be racist, he does. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I mean I'm happy to do dumb sessions like that.
Like I've done a lot of like, oh, degrade m
type dom sessions or like like wallet drains, which are
like guys that are into financial domination, like will get
off to me spending their money on Amazon and stuff
like that. Like, yeah, I'm happy to do that stuff.
I'll do great people all day long. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Financial financial domination.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Those are people that get sexually aroused by giving me money.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I give it and you just don't like you going
to buy them stuff or you just buy yourself.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
For myself, and they get off to me being like
all right, I'm about to spend five hundred dollars on
your Amazon account now, and like that makes them come
what Yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
I would my wife. My wife does that ship and
it does not turn me on.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Right, yeah, like I can. I can never imagine having
so much money that I would get turned on by
giving it away like I vomit. I will never have
that problem.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
That's uh, yeah, that's different. But I guess so those
are the those are more of the stranger things that
you've done. Anything anything else along those lines are just
kind of I want you to understand, like the stuff
that you're doing is not something that our average day
listener is gonna be in the know about. So anything

(30:24):
that you would even maybe like this doesn't seem completely abnormal,
but for to the average run of the Milborough High listener, yeah,
it's gonna be something they've likely never ever heard of. True.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
I mean, like I said, I do, I do a
lot of paid dumbing. So you know, most of the
men that like me are submissive type men like men
that want to give me their money and have me
tell them what to do and things like that, and like,
for example, a big thing within the gay community is
like chastity locks, like like putting your dick in a
little cage with a lock, and so like, Yeah, I've

(30:56):
had guys like mail me their chastity keys before and
you know, want me to dom them in that sense
I've had I've actually had people want to combine the
personal training and the dombing before, so that I'm like, like,
you know, they're domb and also their personal trainer, which
that honestly was pretty sweet.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
That's that's like a double whamming me. I think I
feel like that's ah, I feel like there's some money
to be made there, if I do say so myself. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
And uh, you know, I didn't do online training for
a while because there's so many online trainers out there
and so many of them do it shitty and it
drives me insane. But uh, I've been thinking about opening
that that up more because it's it's gotten a lot
easier with more modern technology.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, And like like you said, I think you would
be able to bring something to the table that maybe
not all.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
You gotta find your niche.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
That's that's the biggest work.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Is like you gotta find what what what porn hook
category are you basically yeah, and and and get into
that and find the community that wants that. So that's
what I did is I looked at myself and was like, Okay,
you know, I'm not super hairy, but I fit the
bear type thing.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
You know it.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I'm I guess some technically what would be considered like
a muscle bear because I'm not not really fat, but
you know, I'm not skinny. And then especially with me
being into nerdy stuff, you know, it's hitting like our
nostalgia run of all the nineties stuff, so you know,
doing nineties video games and things like that is going
crazy right now. So I'm trying to do as many

(32:28):
more cosplays as I can within the next year or so.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Nice and then yeah, I could see you know, people
people are our age, They're getting that they're getting to
that age where they kind of have like disposable income
and yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Where they have adult money and they want to spend
it on dumb shit.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like watching the guy sit on blueberries. I get it.
There's just some.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Media dressed up like cloud from final Fantasy seven jerking off?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Whatever? How many your friends are like your your family
know about this.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
All of them. Everyone of my work knows. Like I'm, I'm,
I don't know. I'm just not want to keep secrets
about anything, so I just tell them. I mean, my
parents aren't thrilled about it, but you know they they
understand paying the bills.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's funny. What do you think I forgot to ask
this earlier, But what do you what do you think
these guys are doing with your underwear once they get.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Them, mostly like putting it on their face and like
sniffing it and like huffing it. Some like to like
put it on and wearing themselves, mostly huffing it though,
and like you know, jerking off while doing that or
any other assorted you know, sexual activities.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I could not imagine jerking off with a pair of
like shit in underwear on top of my head. You
have no like, you have no idea how fucking foreign
that sounds to me? Man?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Right, Yeah, it was a lot for me to get
used to, Like I said, Like I said, I definitely
get like like sense being attractive, like your partners sent
like okay, great, but yeah, like I don't know if
I could see myself buying, you know, a random stranger's
underwear and doing that with it. But you know, I'm
not one to judge. Like I said, it's been something

(34:04):
that's been great for me, so I have no complaints.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, And that's the thing, man is It's just, you know,
I think everybody should just be proud of who they are,
no matter whether you think you're weird or you're not,
Just be do what makes you happy. That's I mean,
you only live this life once, and if you're you're.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I spent my whole twenties like really caring about what
people think and wanting to like, you know, I've always
known that I'm kind of weird. I'm autistic, so I
always knew I was different from everyone in a way. Yeah,
and I spent a lot of my twenties really trying
to like inform and be like a regular ass person.
And then I was like, I just looked at myself
in the mirror, was like, I fucking hate this, Like

(34:44):
I do not want this, Like I want to like
the things that I like and only be around other
people that like me for those things, not because I'm
pretending to like some other shit.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, Like that's where I'm at with the Bengals right now.
I think I'm pretending to like them, and I don't
think I should anymore. So I think I'm probably gonna
start going in a different direction with that.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
It's it's exhausting.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
One of the things in autism is called masking. It's
when you basically act like you're a normal person. So
I was doing double duty with that, trying to you know,
mask my autism, and then you know, mass the fact
that I'm also into really weird, nerdy stuff that I
used to get picked on for when I was younger.
So finally I was like, I can't do any of
this anymore, Like, I just want to be me.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Man. I'm I'm proud of you for for making that step,
and I think anybody anybody listening should should take it
as inspiration just to kind of be yourself.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I feel so much better and just so much more
free and like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, and you should let me ask you. Let me
ask you this. Have your clients, they often try and
haggle with you, or they try and offer you other
forms of payment besides money, or is it pretty much
just run of the mill you know, cash app transactions.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
You know, you get some that try to haggle with you.
I usually don't dick around with people like that anymore.
You know, when you're first starting in any sort of
client base thing, you gotta kind of take what you
can get. But now I'm at the point where like,
if someone's gonna fuck me around like that, like I'm
just not gonna bother. And yeah, I mean I get
a lot of people being like, oh, you know, maybe
there's some other way I could pay you, and I'm like, nope,
don't want to see your naked don't like, no, I'm

(36:24):
here to just make money. I'm not here using it
as an avenue to hook up with people, you know,
with the only fans do.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I get people that are like.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Oh, well, you know, if you ever need anyone to
help you make content, And I'm like, sweet you that
has no social media presence, no, you know, nowhere to
no anything to help me in any way aside from
me just help you live your dream of fucking a
porn star.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Like oh my gosh, like this benefits.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Me, I get it, like your musty butthole, like great, fantastic?

Speaker 1 (36:55):
What have you had any complaints? About you know, people
to buy your underwear and they're like these don't like
you wore them or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
See one far between. You know, in any business, you're
gonna get people that are assholes.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
But yeah, I I I certainly I I acknowledge that
you're probably wearing these things to their uh making them
realize they're they're fool two potential fools potential. But you know,
I didn't know if occasionally there is a bad apple
that says, you know, these don't stink enough for me.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Like on male things warned. You can uh, you can
leave reviews and stuff. And I have like almost all
five star ratings aside from like one dick.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Hole all like a like a mean probably thought like
a real dick hole, like there's a someone can.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Do gave me one star because of I don't know
some bullshit.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
How's your so you said your girlfriend is she dabbles
in this stuff as well? Did you meet her through
this community or kind of I would imagine kind of
being in the mode that you are might make it
a little tricky for having a love interest, But it
sounds like you might have met her in this community potentially.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
No, I met her separately on just on bumble, just
like you know, coincidental type thing. But I mean we're polyamorous,
so it it makes this kind of thing a lot easier.
I did find that when I was you know, because
I you know, I had started doing sex work when
I was married, and it definitely made things get kind
of weird, even though at the time I wasn't even

(38:24):
admitting that I had same sex attraction, but my wife
would still get weird about it. And like, yeah, I
can't be in a relationship where jealousy is going to
be a big factor anymore because of what I do.
You know, I have to put myself out there and
be flirty with people and whatever, and I can't. I
can't worry about that, you know, like that can't be
a concern of mine.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I know that this this next question is you don't
have to answer this, but has there ever been like
a love interest that you've developed or maybe a sexual
interest you've developed through one of your one of your
like your clientele, through uh personal training.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Oh it personal. Yeah, a couple of times I've I've
had hookups with clients in the past. Yeah, it's generally
not a great idea. I mean I'm sure you've heard,
you know, don't shit where you're eating.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, I'm a believer in that too, So.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, it's it's always been a mess. So I'm not
trying to really fuck around with that anymore. I mean, like,
if I'm already like seeing someone and then I also
start training them, that's not too bad. But I'm not
trying to get someone that was a client first, just
because you know, especially as a guy, there's so many
ways that can be misinterpreted. And you know, I'm already
like the tattooed muscley guy, which kind of you know,

(39:44):
puts the bulls on my back with that kind of stuff.
So like, yeah, it's a mess.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
So for your business cards to say on the back
of it, like oh, by the way, I sell dirty
underwear or anything like that, or do you do you ever.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Drop that business card? I have two separate business cards.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Okay, let's move to the only fans side of things.
So most of your most of your underwear sales, it
sounds like it's done through other websites like you explained before,
whereas only fans. Now, I I can say that I
did not and have not subscribed your only fans, but

(40:20):
you do go about that you have a sneak you
have a sneak peek of your content on your X
page and obviously, so what all is going on on
the only Fans page? Take me through that, because I will.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Be honest, I don't use my only fans as much
as I used to. I'm doing a lot more just
like direct content content sales, okay, but I am trying
to get it back and going again. I have like
four thousand pictures on there already, in like five hundred videos,
So if you sign up, there's plenty of stuff for
you to browse through. A lot of it is cosplay

(40:55):
stuff different or just different outfits.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
In general.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I do a lot of you know, still photo shoots
like that. And then also do I do post full
length videos on there, so full length like jerking off
videos or full length ass play type videos. Some someone's around,
you know, talking in the dom voice, you know, telling you.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
To do certain things.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, you honestly think of most of the stuff that
you would see on a woman's only fan page, and
it's just me doing that stime, all right?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
And do you uh, do you want to throw your
link out? You don't have to, but if you, I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
For people absolutely. I mean I'm I'm Sean Strong three
sixteen on just about everything. Yeah, I can send you
my all my links thing if you want, yeah, follow
me please. You know I didn't. I didn't think this
would be like an area where I'd pick up a
ton of customers. But I thought it would just be
fun to do anyway. I mean, I do also sell

(41:47):
like physical nude calendars. If anyone will want to get those,
I'm taking pre orders for those so.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
We can put one up in the studio.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
And that's Sean s e a N. For those of
you want, Yes Strong Strong with one G.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I know some on some stuff I spell it with too,
just because, like unfortunately, as the sex worker, you go
through social media accounts pretty quickly, like I've gone through
like twenty facebooks. Yeah, just because you get banned for
ship so I've had to change the name around a
little bit here and there.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
In the three sixteen, I would imagine that's that's an
ode to our Lord and saviors, Stone Cold Steve Austin right.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Oh, hell yeah, I told you how much huge wrestling
nerd man. I have a stone Cold tattoo. I have
a bullet club tattoo.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
That's so much fun. I know there's I know there's
because we've got you know, listeners all over the all
over the spectrum here. I know we've got some guys
with truck nuts right now, Like fuck gay fucking rest.
I can't fucking god damn ship.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
I mean, like, yeah, it is softcore gay porn, but whatever.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Just like that, guys, it really is porn. Have and
you but you you don't do any You don't do anything,
like I don't even know what you call it. There's
like not videos out there of you being intimate with
other humans, right ah. You know, I've tried to a

(43:08):
couple of times.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Unfortunately, I find that just in general, people are like
not as professional as I am. Like that's the big thing,
is just being professional about it. It seems like most
people that do it are kind of half assing it.
And it's like, no, if I'm going to do this
with someone, I want to be with someone that's going
to be all in on it and you know, help
me build my business, not I have to drag you
along with me. And that's that's really the big thing.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
And I think that whenever people think about like oh yeah,
I want to be a fucking porn star. I don't
think that it's it's not work, dude. Yeah, it's not
as simple as like I just want to go, you know,
like you.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Have to be hard when you need to be hard,
ready to fuck, ready to nut when you need to
not like. Yeah, it's a lot more pressure than people think.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
And it's not really it's not really sex per se.
I mean it is, but it's it's not.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Hard, but there stops and starts like in a movie
and stuff like that. So it's like sex for short
intervals usually. Yeah, And that's I think that's what people
like about OnlyFans is it's a lot more to me,
I guess in a way because it's you know, a
lot of times you get to see people with their
real life partners, not with someone that they're just being

(44:21):
paid to fuck, and you know it, you do get
the one on one interaction with people. Like I said,
that's that's what sells people more than anything, is your personality.
And you know, I think you know, OnlyFans and a
more common gay one is called just for fans and
fansly and stuff like that allows people to build a

(44:41):
sort of relationship with people you know, as opposed to
some porn star that they're never going to meet or
talk to you ever.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, And I I think that it's just God man,
it's so I feel like everybody there's so much commonality
with having an OnlyFans page right now that you really
got to kind of stand out. Much like you said,
you kind of kind of have your your niche. And
that's I mean, that's what we are here at the podcast.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
We're just such a Yeah, if you don't finders, find
a way to set yourself apart. Yeah, Like there's there's
a million other people out there that probably look just
like me and you know, look better than me. And
I got to, you know, figure out how to how
to win out that person's dollars over that other you know.
Creator now, just like.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Kind of profiling your clientele at the moment. How what
ratio would you say, what's the ratio like of straight
married men compared to you know, maybe just gay men
with disposable income? What do you what do you think
you're working with there?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Uh? I don't get as many closeted guys as as
I would think, like pretty pretty infrequently. It's it's mostly
just like ninety gay men. I have a few women
that are signed up for my only Fans, but they're
most like my friends that are also only fans, creators
themselves and things like that, like, you know, women don't

(46:07):
really buy a ton of porn.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I don't. It's you know, so
it's but everything.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I more get closeted guys with the underwear sales than
I do with any sort of content stuff. Yeah, okay,
and that, you know, I try to mail all my
stuff in you know, like discrete packaging, like you know,
nothing that says, hey, you know, this is Sean's jockstrap,
like just in like a plain envelope or whatever. Because
some people do have spouses and things like that, which

(46:38):
I kind of used to get weird about it first,
but at the end of the day, I can't control
if someone else is fucking around on their spouse. You know,
if their spouse says something to me and says like hey,
I you know, I don't want my person following you,
then maybe I would consider that, but I just can't
worry about that. It can't be my problem.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
If they're delivering my shit, they'd know it's coming because
there'll be flies flying around and shit, they deliver my drawers,
not show me. You gotta put him the zip block
bag to keep that scent in there.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Man, you don't want to lose it on the way.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Do you remember do you remember like your biggest your
biggest hit? Maybe I know you mentioned there's been instances
of you just like fucking blowing through guys money for him.
Do you remember like your single biggest hit, Like, was
it a bag of underwear? Was it a single night
of you know, uh, maybe a cam session.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Or financial financial domination? Guys that have set me five hundred,
one thousand and fifteen hundred bucks at certain points, I
think I think fifteen hundred is the most I've ever
gotten at once from someone.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
And what was that for?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
That was for like like a like a drain type deal.
I did, uh like spending their money on Amazon. I
did fifteen hundred bucks one time. Yeah, dude, I got
I got a whole lot of great shit. I really
And they were just like they wanted me to just
like like put the web cam on and like flex
and like you know, degrade the and stuff while I

(48:00):
was doing it.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Wow, just like you can't stop me from spending your
fucking money.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Basically like you're a pathetic little fuck and I'm gonna
spend every last penny until you're done.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
So you have to kind of get into character for
this stuff, right.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, No, it's it's funny. My day, My day is
so weird because like earlier days usually, I mean I
only work at the gym three days a week now,
but that's usually when I get that done, and then
like in the middle of the day, I take a
nap like around like maybe like five six, seven o'clock,
and then then emerges Sean Strong.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
That's when he comes out. Is night Night Steve is
Sean Strong. That's so funny because it is it's it's a.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
It's a certain headspace that I have to get into
to to create content and do stuff like that. Like
I you know, I'd never thought of myself as a
really artistic person, Like I've never had luck with getting
art onto any sort of medium, but aside from with
photography and now videos and stuff like that. But I
did do drama and stuff when I was younger. Okay,

(49:02):
so I do very much approach it like I would
like taking a role. It's I have to get into
this character that this person wants me to.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Be absolutely and I think I can certainly Uh same
for me. I guess nickolicious is an it's just an
amped up version of who I am.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
And then when you actually just like a wrestling character, man,
they say, the wrestling character is just the best wrestling
character is yourself turned up to eleven.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
And that's That's basically what I'm just.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Doing here is like Okay, imagine myself at my sexiest
and my horning hornist, and you know, there we go.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
So do you do you take viagras or cialis or
anything like this to kind of keep be going through
these sessions or.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah, sometimes especially for photo shoots because it's it's hard
to keep a boner and then like be setting up
the camera and you know, doing this, that and the
other thing, so like you need something for that and
that'll Honestly, people that don't know this, you can get
viagra from your doctor super cheap, and there's a good
RX coupon to get like thirty one hundred milligram by

(50:04):
Agros a month for like fifteen bucks.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
And like if you order it from like Blue Choo
or something like that, it's like like five dollars each
for like twenty milligram ones.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Okay, well good to know. Yeah, yeah, I just talk
to your doctor.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
If you're like usually over the age of like twenty
five or thirty, they'll give it to you.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
And yeah, I've found that as I get older. When
I talked to my doctor about this stuff, he's like, man,
is yeah, talk to me about it. And there's definitely
definitely stuff out there for you. And yeah, that's kind
of their their deal to make sure you're taken care
of because that's such an importance.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
So much stigma around it.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Yeah, and there shouldn't be. And I encourage anybody that
feels like they're maybe lacking in a department just to
talk to your doctor. Man, they'll they will help you out.
And it's not embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Like replacement therapy too. I mean I'm onto sasteral replacement
therapy for my doctor, and it's helped me so immensely,
like even my mental health.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I agree. I just got started about the actually three
five weeks ago. Five weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah, it Uh, that's one of the biggest things that's
helped my mental health is testosterone replacement therapy.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
And I wake up and I feel like I'm ready
for the day for a long like for the first time,
and it feels like forever. I wake up, I'm like,
all right, I'm ready to fucking go, and it's yeah,
it's uh.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
People don't realize how much you're thirty start kicking your ass,
like especially when your testosterone starts declining. Like yeah, and
I found I actually found out, you know, I was
a pretty late bloomer myself.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
I found out that I've I've had little testosterone this
whole time, and I should have been on it, you know,
starting when I was even younger.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, that's that's wild man. Well, yeah, I can. I
can attest to that as well. It's definitely a uh,
definitely a game changer. I would I would encourage anybody
to get it, to get it checked out. How how
do you separate? Have you ever likes anyone ever fool
on paid you for for sexual intercourse at all?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
No, I don't believe so I've like I said, I wasn't.
I have done like some stripping in like go go
dancing type stuff, but not for like full on like intercourse. No, which,
like I said, I'm not above it. It just logistically
hasn't worked out.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Really well. Yet.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I mean, one thing that does bother me is I
do know some sex workers that'll be like, oh, you know,
I do only fans, but I'm not a prostitute, And I'm.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Like, okay, like.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
We're all one group as sex workers, like you don't
like you don't get to all of a sudden just
stick a line in the middle and be like, Okay,
this amount of sex work is okay, but this amount isn't.
Like it's a real weird morality thing.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
For me, Prostitution is just a fucking word anyways, It's
not like it. I mean people paying for Dawn of Humans.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
So I mean, and a you're gonna tell me that,
you know, going in the military isn't selling your body?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Like you when people tell me like that, I love it.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Every well, every job is selling your body. You know,
you become a mechanic and you you know, break your
back every fucking day doing that. Like that's selling your
body too. That's really that's the premise of work, is
selling your body.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
No, No, I love I think it's great. You just
like usually military guide are like, so it'll be great whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I mean, every job is selling your body. You're you're
you know you're selling the fruit of your labor. You know,
you know I'll work for you for eight hours for
X amount of money. That's selling your body.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
You're right, You're right, though, So I mean, what how
does how does it bleed over into your personal sex
life or are these like strictly separated? You know, you
said you have a you're polygnamorous, and you have a girlfriend.
Do these how does what's the what's the I guess
how where's the line drawn at? Where is it? What's

(53:56):
that separation look like? I should say.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
It's it's led over a little bit here and there.
Like I said, I've I've tried to have some partners
in the past that I did sex work with and
it just didn't really work out because, like I said,
they weren't as committed as me. So at this point,
every now and then, like if someone hits up my
girlfriend and they want partnered content, like I'll do that
with her. But I'm not doing any partner content for
myself right now because I mean, people would want to

(54:24):
see me with men anyway, and right now we're just
too busy. I'm not even I'm not even really trying
to actively date anyone else. Right now. We're getting ready
to move, so I haven't had time to think about it.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yeah, what's uh? Does she know you're doing this interview? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, she wished me good luck on everything. She's all excited.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
That's fun. Well, me and we should have we should
have had fucking both of you on here. I'm sure
you guys both have some wild stories.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Well, she just started when she met me, which we've
been together about a year, or she maybe met like
a started a few months after. So give her another year.
Maybe we'll come back to this in a year and
we can have both of us.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
All right, what's uh? I think we kind of talked
about this maybe a little bit. What's the what's the
biggest misconception with being a sex worker in your opinion.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Just that it's easy, because it's not. You know, so
many people I know during pandemic, the pandemic started in
only fans and did it for like a month, and
then like once you run through that periphery of people
that want to fuck you, like and you actually have
to start building new clienteles when people usually give up.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah you don't.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
You don't just post your ass on the internet and
people start throwing money at you like it's.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
You really have to.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I mean, I guess it's not hitting the pavement anymore,
but you know, get put yourself out there and advertise
on social media.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah, and I think that the kind of like I
hate the you know, correlate that with this podcast. But
in the beginning, it was a grind. There's like an initially,
you gotta got to build your clientele. You gotta put
yourself out there, and you gotta you gotta, you gotta
stay at it, man, And it is a grind. And yeah,
it sounds like you get following, which I commend you

(56:03):
for that, thank you.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
It's it's you know, any businesses like that. I mean,
even when I first started getting clients for personal training,
it was the same thing. You know, in the beginning,
you spend a lot of time just standing around the gym,
not getting paid to do anything, and yeah, and it sucks,
and you you know, then once you start building up clients,
it's like, okay, you know I can only you know,
I can come just when I have clients now. But
at the beginning, I spent a lot of time just

(56:28):
talking to people, just trying to get people to want
to train.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yeah. Now what do you what do you think? What
do you think is next for you? You think there's like
I I guess two parts of this question. Do you
see do you see another tier to what you're doing now?
Do you plan on making like like more content, like
more human like guy on guy or guy on girl content,

(56:52):
or do you plan to start to roll slow it down?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
And no, it's definitely building up. This is like I
want this to be like like my career now, Okay,
I would like to get some some like guy on
guy type scenes. I just you know, I guess I'm
just waiting for the right guy, the one you promise.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Yeah, exactly put it out there.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
I'm looking for the right one to make contact with,
someone that's actually, you know, gonna be dedicated and I'm
not gonna have to drag them to do stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Since Rob skip down the interview, I'm gonna recommend him
for this. That's the person. I uh, that's the perfect him.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Have similar music taste, so to work out, all right.
But and then I also want to get into doing
more physical items like I just got a Polaroid camera.
I want to start selling more polaroids. My girlfriend's knitting
like hats and scarves and things like that, and we're
gonna try and sell those along with polaroids of me
naked in those items things like that. God, I'm just

(57:49):
trying to merchandise this whole bitch out.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, and I I respect that. But thinking beyond which
this is a really thing to scare think about, even
for me, what after this is all done? Like what's next?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Are you talking about? Like when I retire or.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Like you know, Oh, I've come to the realization that
one day people are gonna stop listening to my podcast
and where's the podcast? It used to be used to
be just like you know, show up and talk. It's
kind of morphed into it's worked now, Well it's not.
It's not, and I don't it's definitely not worked to me.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
But work isn't necessarily a bad word, but it just
it it takes more effort than it used to Probably.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I'll say this some if I had to pay the bills,
I had to pay my bills without the income from
the podcast, I would be in a very difficult situation.
That's that's I'll say that.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yeah, that and that to me too, Like I said it,
probably two thirds of my income is sex work.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Stuff now.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
So yeah, I guess to the point where people don't
want to see me naked anymore, i'd maybe a little screwed.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Yeah, And have you ever thought of another? I know
you're a you're a personal trainer, but has there ever
been another? Uh? I guess has there been any other
career aspirations for you besides personal training and sex work?

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Not really at the moment. I've I've kind of been
in a weird spot the last two years where I've
been kind of in survival mode, so I haven't really
had the time to think.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
About it that much.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, I definitely want to take this as far as
I can take it.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Like I said, I hope you do.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I want to make this like the majority of what
I do now, just because personal training has died off
so much and I had just gotten so burned out
on it by that point, like, yeah, I've been doing
it sixteen years now like that it's rough. Sure, So
and then yeah, if this were to go away, I
don't really have any other plans right now. But uh,

(59:47):
I've always been a pretty enterprising guy, so I'm sure
I could figure something out.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Sure. Yeah, And I think that that's the thing. Man,
it's sound like you're sound like you're a hustler and
you just you make shit work. So there's there's there's
always stuff out there for guys. You and I they
just kind of, you know, go go get it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
So I grew up in a not well off family,
so you know, I started having to buy my own
chat when I was like twelve thirteen years old. So
I've always just had to be a hustler. So if
it wasn't this, I'm sure I'd be hustling something else.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Absolutely, Yeah, I hope that. Uh, I hope that through
this episode you find lots of new clientele that want
to buy your shitty underwear. You're you're comed in jockstraps.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
And naked calendars. I feel like that'll probably be the best.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Seller, naked calendars. And if and like he like he said,
you guys can go Sean Strong three sixteen and check
a check out some of his content there. I know
he's got he's got an X account with It's like
going to the grocery store and there's samples that you
can taste. I would say that's kind of what your
ex account is like for.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, that's that's what it's meant to be pretty much
for anybody an idea, you know a little taste and
then that hooks you and didn't want to get more.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, I guess final last words here, what what advice
would you give to somebody that's maybe thinking about getting
into the industry, getting into maybe selling their dirty underwear,
getting into making an only fans? What what advice would
you give those people that are thinking about something like that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Just be prepared to work and if it's something that
you're gonna do, fully commit to it. And for the
caveat of if there's anyone in your life that like
would be hurt by finding out or something like that,
don't get into this line of work because they are
going to find out at some point. Like it, there's

(01:01:33):
no avoiding it. They if it's your you know, your
mom or your grandma or whatever, they'll find out at
some point. So go into it being ready for everyone
to know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Okay, that makes sense. Do you do you have to
do you get Do you still get nervous whenever you're
doing like the cam sessions at all? Or are you
like a you're like a fucking professional? Now live cam sessions?
Do still make me nervous?

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Because it's like, Okay, you're right there with someone making
videos and stuff. Doesn't you know, make me nervous anymore
because there's room for multiple takes. But yeah, yeah, live
camp stuff still does make me a little nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Okay, Well, I think I'm gonna try and do a
live cam session of Night and I'm gonna see who
shows up. I think that's uh what I've gathered from
this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna bread your butchete who
sends you money.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
I'm gonna go straight up to my wife tonight and
I'm gonna say I'm showing everybody on chatterbait my asshole tonight.
And I want I talked to Sean. He told me,
I need to let you know about this, and that's
gonna be the most comfortable way for you and I
to operate going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yep, just full transparency man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
And he's got a stone cold Steve Austin tattoo, and
I think I should.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Also exactly go for that as well, maybe lead with that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
All right, set definitely fucking it's offen her up. Well, man,
I really appreciate you coming on the show. I know
that you aren't you haven't been feeling the greatest kind
of been fighting you know, some a.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Little cold there, so dude, I always get kinus infections
this time of year. But yeah, I appreciate it so much, man,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Yeah, and I will. I can't wait to release this.
I can't wait to uh hear how people. I know
they're gonna I know they're gonna like it, so it's good.
It's an interesting taboo topic. And I know that some
guys are gonna be like, oh fucking good or weird
fucking gay people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
But dude, I'm telling you, those are the guys that
are in the closet. Like it's all there's a reason
that like the Republican National you know committee crashes Grinder
every year. It's like the guys that are the most
like anti gay are usually the most closeted.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
That's why very interesting thing to think about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I uh seriously, every like major Republican event, Grinder crashes
because it's so overused.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Yeah. I always tell my friends that, like people that
don't know if they're they ask me about a recipe
or something, I'm like, download the grinder app. There's a
lot of really good recipes on there. It's like, my
favorite thing to say to people is if you're looking
for a good pork chop recipe, just download the grinder app.
There's a grinder. Yeah all right, man, Well thanks again,
and I'm I I hope that things continue to just

(01:04:10):
like get better for you and you know, appreciate it. Man.
Business is good. But I'm gonna yeah, well, I can't
put up only fans links in a in a podcast description,
but we've put that out there. You guys know where
to find them. And Sean, I'm gonna stop the recording
in just a second, but i'm gonna keep you on
the line for a few more seconds if that's okay. Yeah,

(01:04:30):
that's all right. Everybody, take care of a good night.

(01:04:54):
I want to see your desk, y