Dark Vault: Tell Us Where you Hid the Body?

In this installment of The Dark Vault, we sit down with Cain — a man who spent seven years behind bars for reckless homicide after a night of addiction turned tragic. Cain opens up about the overdose that changed his life, the decision to hide a body, and the weight of guilt that followed him into prison. Now sober, a devoted husband, and a family man, he shares the raw truth of addiction, redemption, and what it takes to rebuild a life after hitting rock bottom. This is a story of mistakes, punishment, and ultimately — hope.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hmmm, this is the Royal Dark Vault. This is a

(00:28):
secure facility, or please present your identification.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Listeners, Frescious fizzed, Hello, this is Delicious Nicolicious Here for
an episode of The Dark Vault. I interviewed our friend Kane.
He's an avid listener of the show, big fan. Caine. Uh,
he committed some he was part of some crimes in

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the younger years of his life and he's done the
time and he uh has a story to go with it.
But Caine, uh, he got out on the other side
of addiction. And maybe you're maybe you're someone that's that's
going through it. Caine has a we'll say you know
it just it gives you hope that there is light
at the end of the tunnel and that you can

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do good with your life. You know, the addiction can't
grip you for your entire life. Caine was a part
of a part of a crime where a person overdosed.
Caine hid the body and was arrested for it. Cain
served seven years in prison for reckless homicide and he

(01:36):
is out. He's changed his life. He is a good
family man, good husband, good father, and he has beat
addiction just like you. Can if maybe you're suffering from
addiction or you know somebody that is and maybe thinking, hey,
what can I do for him? Well, Cain talks about
what you can do for that person, what they can do,
and takes us through the story of him being a

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part of it's a criminal lifestyle from the second he
was born, born into the born as a son of
an outlaw motorcycle gang member, just in a lifestyle that
he knew no other. It just it is what it is,
what it was. It was what it was, and he
put himself in a situation that he, you know, say, well,

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he takes responsibility for what happened and kind of the
mistakes that were made. Very interesting story takes you through
all the ins and outs of the crime, how it happened,
what he did, what he was thinking, what he was
going through. We did hold off on this episode for
a little while. Just when we did record this. The

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I mean, the world is still there's the climate right
now is it's touchy to say the least. I'm not
going to elaborate on my feelings of anything, but I
will say the further and further we move apart from

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one another, the harder all of this is going to
be to overcome. There has to be a day where
we just love each other man, And I love you,
and I love your friends, I love your family. I
want nothing but the best for you, regardless of how
you feel about what. At the end of the day,

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I love you. I love what you're doing with your life.
I hope that you have good days. I hope that
all your bad days are behind you. And man, the
world is I don't know, the world is upside down
at the moment, but it's just something we're never going
to get past. I don't I fear, but that we

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can overcome it. And it's got to be through love, man.
And sometimes you just got to tell the person next
to you, hey, I love you, and we're all on
this rock together. Let's figure it out. So, without further ado,
after a quick word from a few of our sponsors,

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I give you our friend Caine, and my heart goes
out to anyone who's battling addiction, anyone who is a
love one of someone who's battling addiction. There is help
out there, there's treatment, there's people that love you, there's
people that want to get you out of the hell
you're in, and that includes me. So I hope you

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enjoyed this episode of the Dark Vault. In the meantime,
we will see you guys after this episode. We'll talk
to you presumably Monday evening when we release our next episode.
Thank you, and enjoy a quick word from a few
of our sponsors. All Right, we're here in the Dark Vault.

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Did you know you're gonna be a Dark Vault episode,
or Caine, or you just think it was a to
be all some fucking willy nilly shit, or.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Did you know I'm hoping it was going to be
a Dark Vault and this is one of my favorites.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, this is the Dark Vall. We're here with Kane,
who's a devoted listener of the show, and Kane reached out. Uh,
first of all, Kane, thanks for coming on the show. Man.
You're welcome back to back when you found out the
Undertaker was your brother and Paul Behar was your dad,
was that like, was that traumatic for you or.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Very very A lot of wrestling moves.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, So I actually sent Robert Robert's not here with
me today. He has a double header of softball, which
I think is code for some type of sexual homosexual activity.
I think that. Uh yeah, I s I sent him
a snapchat earlier of my underwear. I was in the
bathroom at work and I sent a picture of my

(05:50):
underwear and I said it I put a gift emoji
of the Undertaker next to my underwear. And yeah, He's
just like, what the fuck does this mean. I'm like,
it doesn't mean anything. It's just I like the Undertaker.
So it's that works out. But uh, yeah, Caine, he
told he reached out via email. He said, I have
a very interesting story that ended up with me going

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to prison for reckless homicide. And I said, hey, anytime
we got the opportunity to talk to somebody that's perhaps
gone through some shit like this, I think that's a
tremendous idea for the Dark Vault. My favorite part of
this is not is like I'm talking to you and
this isn't the ghost story. Like there we had this
attic and the attic was loud, and then no, it's

(06:34):
it's kind of like for me that's here. Say you
were tried in a court of all, found guilty, incarcerated,
and you're out, uh, and you can take us through
all of the the intimate details of why you were arrested.
Why you're served time for a reckless homicide? It's a
very I've done a little bit of research without giving

(06:58):
Kane's last name, there's I think he's you know, there's
there's information out there that kind of it was almost
like researching an episode Learn about You Man.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
So yeah, yeah, it was actually very public. Is it
definitely a newspapers?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, yeah, you're from a small you're like a you
don't have to necessarily say the city, but you're from
a small town in Wisconsin, So something like that would
undoubtedly kind of travel like wildfire.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Right, yeah, we yeah, it's very small towns, about sixty
thousand people.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Okay, well, let's go back to the how how old
were you at the time of the crime? Five twenty
five years old, so to go. Kind of most, in
my opinion, most bad decisions like this are usually uh
preceded by narcotics usage or whatever. Opioids, bad decisions and drugs.

(08:03):
Was that the case for uh? I mean, obviously I
know the answer to this.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
But yeah, yes, yeah, definitely drug adding.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
So I had been I was raised in a house
where my father was very heavy in the criminal activity.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
You know, he's a biker musician.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
You know, he beat up everybody that you know that
he didn't like was one percenter gang or yeh outlaw?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh he was an outlaw.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Okay, yeah, he was the only half black outlaw I
think in existence.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
But he has been.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Very revered, very you know, everyone thought he was the
coolest person in the world, you know, so that I
he was my.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Dad, so he got it.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
He had drugs around all the time, you know, and
he had a stroke a long time ago, so he
always had like painkillers around, you know. And I was
growing up as a teenager, I got addicted myself doxy
cotton did it for years?

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Were you getting those from him? Or how are you
getting those?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (09:08):
I was getting from him, uh for years until you know,
and then we used to you know, we used to
sell drugs and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
It was a long time. You know.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
I was raised differently. I had a different household. My
mom was very good. She was you know, obviously they
were separated. She was like the good side, and then
I would stay with my dad, which was the bad side.
You know. So I kind of had two separate lives
going on.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
We're so, was it kind of expected of you? To
the deal drugs and help your dad make ends me
in that way, or it is just more of like, hey,
this is some play money for me or kind of.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
No, it was expected. That's how he survived. He didn't
have any anything besides that at the time.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
So it was just like your that was your way
of life.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Way of life. Yep.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Actually even on a pornshew when I was like five
years old. It's inside the house.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Got a porn shop in your house?

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, it's called video Vegas.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Jesus christ Man. Do you help stock the shelves or anything.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yeah, well actually he used to pay me and my
friend to sweep up the rooms to clean. Yeah, but
you didn't have rooms like that.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
You just said, like teef. But it was rentals, porn rentals.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, interesting, yeah, like people people now don't know. But
when we were younger, Kane, we had to. We had
to fight for porn.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Man.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
It wasn't like how it is now where it's on
the internet and ship. You know, you had to walk
down to the corner store and buy a fuck book
or buy a DVD.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
It was it was it was normal to me. It
was like porn. It didn't really matter.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah whatever, So you're you're dealing, like all through high
school adolescents, you're dealing drugs. You're doing you're hooked on
oxyconts at a young age. Did you actually make get
through high school or did you? Did you drop out?

Speaker 4 (11:02):
I dropped out after a sophomore year, you know, I
failed sophomore year, dropped out. I mean I had my
my GD or my HCD now, so yeah that was
years later. But yeah, I dropped out.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
I was taking care of my dad because he had
a stroke. So just me and him surviving.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
I didn't have too much connection with anybody else, just
me and him.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
So and we're we're in. I guess we're coming up.
We're pushing twenty years removed from from all this. So
this is not like this is a couple of days ago.
This was a lifetime in a galaxy far far away.
And just you know, sitting here talking you Cane, You
got your ship together, man, you look you look healthy.
So I want everyone to know that I'm not like

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I'm not talking to somebody who's actively you know. Now
it's tied up. I think, hey, I can speak for you. You
got your got your ship together now and you flipped over.
You know, it's a new it's a new life. Everything,
all that, all that's behind you. So whatever you're you're
addicted to oxycons was there ever a point before it

(12:12):
went beyond pills that you tried to get clean or
tried to go to rehab or did it just kind
of like spiral out of control to harder ship.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
So the thing is is that my dad was a
very smooth like criminal. He never got caught never, you know,
and me doing as much legal stuff, illegal stuff but
I used to do when I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
I never got caught either because he taught me.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
You know, wow.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
So so literally, the very first charge that I ever
had as a felony, I should say, I never had
a miss ameyor before.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
That for Mary for his felony was this case real
twenty five.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
I went from adolescents as a doing doing bad all
the way to twenty five without ever being caught.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean yeah, it good, but
it's smooth.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
I remember when I used to work in the prison,
they'd say, you know, some guys use prison to say, Okay,
this ship's this ship's done, and I'm going to be
a better person, much like you're rehabilitated. But then there's
some people. It's like college for criminals. Essentially, you learn,
you go around people that are sometimes infinitely more advanced

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than you in terms of being a criminal, and you
learn how to be a better criminal. And you got
to live it from the time you're I mean, you're
cleaning up the floor of an in house porno shop
at five years old, and uh, you got you had
the professor there with you, and I'm I'm really without
going any deeper, I'm very familiar with the intimate workings

(13:46):
of the outlaws. And once we're once we're done recording,
I'll take you. I'll tell you a couple of stories
that I've never told in the air. Okay, some really
good stuff. But so you just kind of like you're
hooked on this stuff. And then it became I assume

(14:06):
easier to get fentanyl or how did it cascade from
pills to what was next?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Okay, so the thing is that I went by the
time I even turned twenty five, I had gone through
so many different types of addictions, like oxy morphine, then.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Heroin.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
You know, my dad had heroin when nobody in this
town had heroin. This is way before the you know
epidemic had happened and all that, So one of the
first ones I was even exposed to it.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
You know, I never learned it from the streets. That
happened in my home.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
So so then eventually my dad ended up losing his
prescription for oxy cotton because he had a prescription for
oxy cotton because he had the stroke, So he lost
his prescription. Now at the same time, you know, they
were taking oxy's off the shelf, so he couldn't even
find them anywhere. So here I'm left going with an addiction,

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and you know, what else do we do. So we're
just trying to find, you know, anything anywhere that's that
can be on the level of oxycont So fentanyl will
come into play, but it's not fentanyl like you think
on the streets. It's the actual prescription fentanyl like the
pad and they have suckers. Yeah yeah, So I mean

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we would get those some time, we get patches some time,
and so then that but eventually we had we had
quit dealing. I was such an addict at the time
that I couldn't even hold onto drugs to sell. Like
I was wrapped up in it that I you know,

(15:47):
I was. I was scounging for money. I was scrapping
metal to get money at the time like that. That's
all low, you know, at the highly level streets without
having to live on the streets.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
At the height of your addiction. How many times were
you using per day?

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Do you think three or four at least? Okay, you know,
I mean that's at least.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
And were you were you in pain or are you
just addicted to the feeling.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
The I was, I was scared of the withdrawal. Yeah,
just chasing that, chasing to not feel like shit.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
And I've been around people that go through like opioid withdrawal,
and it's yeah, man, it's it's a sight to see
and it you can tell regardless of what the person
has done up to that point. It's it's torturous for
a human to go through that. I've seen it firsthand.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
You know, being sober today, it's crazy to think that
I was ever like that.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
You know, it does. It's weird.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
You know, it's a like a like I got to
you know, restart life again.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
And yeah, man, grab addiction grabs you like it grabs you,
and yeah, it affects everything. About you, the way you think,
the way you act, who like, who loves you, and
how they love you, how you love and care about
other people, and it changes everything about a person, which
is yep, that's that's what I hate. Is like you know,

(17:16):
like when someone has somebody it's going through addiction and
then you tell the person, ah, I just don't fucking
talk to him anymore. Just if you love the person, man,
you want to see him through that stuff, because you
know what they were before they were on that ship,
and you know what they can be if they just
get off of it. But no one wants their shit

(17:37):
stolen by a junkie or anything like that. So I
get both sides of it. No one wants their shit
broken into or.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, and I broke a lot, you know, I burned
a lot of bridges. You know, this the same old
story that everybody's going.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Through out there.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah, but my dad never, you know, he never. It
was strange. My relationship was strange. I was always seeing
care of him, but he was seeing care of me.
You know.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
It was It's just weird. You know, it was a
cold you know, what do you call it?

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Co depends? Yeah? See, okay, Yeah, so you started. There
was there was a girlfriend that came along that was
kind of around when the actual crime happened. And then
there was the guy that that overdosed. Yeah, what did
you just did you just meet them through drugs or
were they had they been friends for a long time?

Speaker 3 (18:28):
All right? So I had met she ended up being
my girlfriend at the time.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
I you know, obviously in that state of mind, you
get like the worst kind of girlfriend, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Well, yeah, yeah, you I mean sure, yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
So anyways, I met her at a bar, and you know,
we started being around each other all the time. You know,
she's my girlfriend in the time. I'll say, it's even
twelve years older than I was, So.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Okay, you know, you were using her for one thing
and she was using for one thing. And that's kind
of how that relationship.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
If you would, if you know who this was, you
would be like, what the fuck were you doing? So
so I met him through her.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
I met Tony, and I mean I met him at
a bar and we would hang out once in a
great while.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Well, the night that you know that we got together, it.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Was me and her and I would I would scrap
metal in those times that I really needed to have
something for later, you know, like I would start to
scrap metal now, so I made sure I had a
little bit of money when when the scrap yards opened up,
I could have something so I get some dope.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, you know, it was always in. It was like
a stupid routine, but it would it was working, you know.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
So that night we were going to go and scrap metal,
and you know, she would always come with me, and
we stopped at this like crackhouse you know, down the street,
you know, where a bunch of addicts is hung out,
and he was there, but he was getting kicked out,
and so I you know, you know, we met up

(20:08):
met up with him there, and as we were leaving,
I was like, well, hey, I said, you can come
with us. You know, you could stay at Tina's house.
That was her name, Christina. You can stay at Tina's
house for the night until you get your stuff together,
until you figure out a place to go. I mean,
you can't live there, but you can spend the night, right.
I was trying to be nice because he was actually
all right, you know, and I hate to even talk

(20:31):
about him, you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
You know, I feel bad for his.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Family absolutely, you know, I know that I'm like the
biggest piece of shit to them.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
You know, they hate me.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
There's some of his families reached out and they said
that they understand the situation, but.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, I would think it would be certainly easy to
understand that their loved one was all love and respect
to to everyone that's ever overdosed in the history of time,
and you know, ninety percent of the occurrences, the person
is addicted to something that can kill them, much like
much like I'm addicted to red meat and fried food.

(21:08):
One day, it's gonna fucking kill me, right, It's like
it's in the DNA. It's gonna happen. Unfortunately, some some
vices kill you a little quicker than some of the
other ones. And that's out of all respect to anyone
that's ever lost a loved one due to addiction or
whatever whatever it is. Uh, it's and I wanted you know,

(21:29):
I talked to you before. This is not my intent
to disrespect you or anybody involved in this situation.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
So no, I totally understand. I'm not here to put
you know, his story out there either.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I do this with all respect.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
I feel terrible for what has happened, you know, and
I just I hope.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
That.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Sure. I think what we will get to eventually is
maybe something someone that's listening can find a little hope
in this story. And that's kind of like where we're
getting to at the end of it. So that that
night he came over, like you guys are scrapping metal
at night or you just.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Okay, So here's the story. So we decided to go
scrap metal.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
We're scrap metal throughout the entire night We're going, we're
just picking up stuff, We're dropping it off at my house.
Like we're literally walking around the streets grabbing stuff that
we see, not like people's things, but I would never
like take from anybody, take their crash, you know, if
you see something that we recycle.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Anyways, we got enough to get at least one hundred
dollars worth of scrap metal, which back you know then
fentonyl Patch was one hundred dollars and I, you know,
I said, well, you know, we could do this with that.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Now.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
He actually wanted to get cracked, but I don't. I didn't,
like I would want to get my withdrawal away. And
the whole night though, the thing is that he was
taking he had stolen a prescription bottle from the place
he was just at and it was called the Lyrica,
and he was taking damn your half like handfuls of

(23:06):
that shit, and he offered that to me and Tina,
and I was like, no, I'm good, Like I don't
want just some random bottle of drugs, and he kept
offering to us.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
I'm like, no, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
So we went. We scrapped metal. You know, at the
it finally got to be morning. We hadn't slept. I
was already starting to feel my withdrawal coming on. I
was starting to feel sick. So I had called for
a ride to come pick up all this stuff so
that we could take to the scrapyard and get the money.
I left and went and got that, came back with
the money, We got the patch, and we all went

(23:44):
up into my bedroom and stuff. We were sitting in
a circle and he was he was sitting on I
had two bedrooms at the time, and my dad was
downstairs in the living room. Now, he took me the
first hit. You know, we we squeezed the patch out
onto the aluminum foil.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
He lit it. Took the first head there.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Because I've never fuck done drugs before, So this is
interesting to me. So you guys would you guys would
squeeze like the liquid out of the fentanyl patch onto
a piece of aluminifoil and then you would like light
the aluminum foil on fire and then you would smoke
like the smoke coming off of the.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yepkay, Yeah, it would, it would sizzle, it would come up,
it would it would end up, it would end up
burning away.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
But I mean you could get a lot from just
a little bit of the gel that was inside the patch.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, it's like, you know, it's the patch last three days,
so the gel ones have a lot of fentanel in them.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, that's kind of the same as like, uh like
like th HC dabs. Now, I would say it's kind
of the same premise.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
As that I actually have never done that.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
You've never done a dab. I wouldn't recommend it, but
I'm not. I'm good no wold adventure. But uh so
you guys were all three in your bedroom passing this
thing around all hitting it. Did you guys all just
do one hit?

Speaker 3 (25:07):
He took one hit. So this is what happened.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
He took one hit, passed it to Tina Tina took
one hit, then I got to hit it.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
You know.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
It was kind of like the procession of things, you know. Okay,
he did, and my girlfriend always took the first city
before I did because she would freak out.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
She was insane.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, okay, well they usually are.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
But yeah, so then I took a hit. Now he
says I'm good. He literally said I'm good. We weren't
even close to being done with this thing, and I
was like, really, you know, and we had been up
all night and he was like, he just went to sleep.
He didn't like fall out, die or nothing like that.
He was going to sleep. He was snoring. Okay, he

(25:46):
starts snoring right when we.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Were sitting there. I'm like, I said, Tina, that's on
the other room, and this is finish this thing. You know.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
I'm like, I'm like, oh sweet, we get to just
share between two people and stead three like we usually do,
you know, like because he's never usually with us, it's
always just me.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
So anyways, we go in the other room and we
finish it. Stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
We can literally the upstairs of this bedroom was so
small you can hear everything up there. You know. It's
you're not that far away. He's snoring his ass off, Yeah,
laying on my spare bedroom. So after a while, you know,
we're getting you know, high as ship, you know. And
so Tina always liked going to like stores and stealing ship.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
I never did that kind of stuff. I would always would.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
I would literally always stand like outside the ways. I'm like,
if you're gonna steal, I'm not going in there.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
And I'm not going. I look suspect.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
I look like a suspect.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I get stone, like eat ship, dude, Tina like just
get stone and steel.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, she would just going. She'd steal stuff out of
people's yards.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
That was how bad she was, right, I'm.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Sure neighbor loved you guys.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
So anyway, so we go down and it's bad enough
that she was stealing from a good way, right, And
I'm literally.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
They're kind of stealing from us too, So it.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Works out we're just taking our stuff back, Yeah, exactly.
So we're gone.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
We're gone for about three hours, and I stopped at burking,
we got a little something to eat.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
We walked back. I go up there and me and
her start arguing.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
About something, right, and she'd't you know, she'd always get
twisted I get twisted too, but I would just like
to enjoy my fucking high because I work so damn
hard for it, you know. And she started she was
bitching about something. I forgot what the argument was about.
She was arguing about something, and and I like, I
walked out of the room and all of a sudden,

(27:43):
I could smell something. I'm like, okay, I get smelled,
all due respect to smell like shit.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, right, that's okay. I shipped myself all the time,
so we can talk about that.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
So you know that I know that smell, right, But.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Oh, you shipped yourself too, man, that's cool. Hang out
some time.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
So I go on the other room, and you know,
Tony sleeping, yeah, and I'm like, I'm like Tony, I said,
did you ship yourself? And you know, he's not like
waking up. I'm like Tony, I'm like Tony, I'm starting
to get Max. I'm literally thinking in my head like, dude,
the dude just shipped on my bed like in his sleep.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
And so I went.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
I went around, was very tight squeeze between his legs
and the dresser right because his uh, his feet were
down on the floor and he was laid back on
the bed.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, you know, hellow behind him and everything.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
So I went around and I'm like, what the hell
and I went I and I said, Tony, I said
wake up, and I and I smacked his knee because.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
I was that's where I was.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
I was close to his legs, and I seen his
hand lift up off the off the bed like stiff, okay,
and I I'm like, and I you know, I'm was
high ship. I was was nothing was registering. I've never
done I've never seen this before.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well, so at this point, I guess for those of
you that aren't really picking up, once, once somebody becomes deceased,
rigamores kicks in. Uh, the body becomes stiff, and I
think that's kind of ultimately what you were you were
seeing right there is like he'd been he'd been dead
for you know, a few hours at this point.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Well, when I got to the other side of him,
I had seen the purple ing going up. They already
And that's I'm telling you right now, that's the one
visual that I'll never in my dreams forever. Like I
I was in such shock. I ran out of the

(29:46):
room so like, like my feet ran faster than I
could you know, and I fell even I tripped, I
was I got scared.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
I was scared.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
So and I go out there and and and team
Tina was like, oh you like what, like what the
hell's wrong with you? You know, like, you know, kind
of checking me, like your dumb ass, you know, like
I fell well, and I said, I think he's dead,
and she's you know, she started crying. I was balling,
and we got scared. We were like just two squirrels,

(30:19):
you know.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
We I had to get out of there.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
I ran out of the out of the house. We left.
The thing was that I didn't want to be the
one that found him. I got called that one. I
was scared. I didn't know to call nine one one
right then and there. And if there was anything that
I could ever put on anybody is to quickly respond
by calling nine one one or any responder.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
If there was.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Anything I could do differently in my entire life, is
that just to handle that spot differently.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I think, try to get out. It's important. It's important
for context. Here you are you are virtually going through
your life a completely addicted to drugs. At this point,
you were every single day you were of a mind
of all I care about is essentially my next fix

(31:14):
in that moment.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Since I was ten, I used to scrape bowls or
resident when I was eleven, and you're like that, that's
all I knew.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
You're in like a manic state because whenever you smoke
something like when you're high on fentanyl, this is just
what I understand. Like the high is good, much the
same with like THHC, Like the high is it far
exceeds THC. But then when the paranoia kicks in with fentanyl,

(31:43):
you lose all your bearings, like you just become That's
why when you see people outside like ah, just like fucking.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
They're just it's a whole different kind of fentanyl, buddy,
that it's called car fentanyl.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
It's like a hundred times even worse than just regular
prescription and all like the way they act and they
like hold on the while standing up. I could at
least function on this stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, okay, but I guess what I'm trying to get
through is kind of like your state of mind. Like
I can't call niether one because he's dead. I'm gonna
get arrested. I'm a murderer. She's going to get arrested. Uh,
what do I do? What do I do?

Speaker 4 (32:20):
And me meanwhile, the entire thing in my head the
whole time. Inside my head, I was like, oh, I
know I didn't kill him. I know I didn't kill him,
you know what I mean. I'm like, well, I didn't
do nothing to him, but I don't want him to
The reason I didn't find someone to help it was
literally because he was in my father's house. My father
is a career criminal. We don't call nine one one.
I was raised like this, we don't do nine.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
And and the fact is I didn't want to be
the one that found him. I kind of wanted my
dad to find them and figure out what to do,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Fuck?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Man, That's like sometimes whenever I wake up really early
to go to work, sometimes my dog was shit and
the kid like, I'm like if she's like, she'll ship
by the back door and then I'll just like, you know,
I see it. But I'm just like, I'm gonna leave
the dogs.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
That's of God speaking speaking my life.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
My wife, I'm going to find that. I just want
her to find it. I just want my wife to
find this, not me.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, that's true, very true, that's like this, but a
bigger scale.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
So you guys, you guys, you guys dart out of there?
What what's your guys' intention whenever you left.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
To get away for someone else to take care of it?
I was, I was. I didn't want to be the
one to have to I just couldn't function. I couldn't
do it. I ran away. I didn't think about like
being arrested or prison.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
There was doubt.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
That was not in my head at all.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
I just wanted someone he didn't kill, right, So me
and her left for a whole night, okay, and my dad.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
My dad had a stroke.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
He doesn't usually go upstairs, but I figured he would
find it and deal with it and then maybe call
me about what he had to do, you know what
I mean. I kept trying to put the buck off
to someone else that wasn't me.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
You know.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
I just wanted to remove myself and I couldn't. It
was the dumbest thing I ever did.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
So we left.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
We went and stayed at her mother's house. And her
mom is like clinically nuts too, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
She's there sometimes yet.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Well, I mean she's got like real like she used
to burn herself with cigarettes and stuff like, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
On purpose, like anyways, I gotcha.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
But anyways, I went to sleep and she got up
in the middle of the night and told her.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Mom, Oh man, god damn it.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
So I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
And my dad called me and he's like, hey, or
I'm sorry, maybe backtrack, he didn't call me.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
I went home.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
I went back home because to deal with it, right,
to deal with what was going on, I was I
finally had enough courage to face what I was doing,
or face to.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
What was going on.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yeah, And I go to the door and my dad
lets me in and he goes, hey, come here, and
I'm like, I'm like what.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
He's like, do you know there's a dead body upstairs.
I'm like, okay, he did find it, you know.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
I'm thinking, like okay, and he knows now he can
my dad can take care of it, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
He goes, hey, we need to get him out of here.
I'm like, what you mean.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
He's like, he's still here.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, He's like, we got.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
To get him out of here. I'm like, what what
do you like? What do you mean? We got to
get him out of here? And he's like and he
literally like brought me in closer to him. He had
this way about him.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, like trust me.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
He was just like a chef tellt Park, but he
had a way with him.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, it's like a trust me, just like, trust me,
I've done this before.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah right right?

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And uh, which he has like he had he had
done this before.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
He had most likely. Yeah. So he's he's like, this
is where men are men. And I'm like, you know,
and he's always trying to like help me through my
addiction stuff. Even though he was a big part of it,
he was still trying to like he didn't want me
to do it anymore.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
You know, he knew that I was coming a piece
of fucking work. So he says, this is where men
becomes men.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
I'll never forget that, and he goes, we gotta move him.
I'm like, okay, So we ended up doing just that.
You know, I didn't have Tina there. I went there
by myself. I didn't have her with me when I
went and did that. Sure, So my dad had called
a friend, his name was Pat, called a friend and

(36:41):
he come over and he you know, he was gonna drive.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
That's a good friend right there. Man. So you know,
like when somebody says like, if you need if you
need help, hide in the body, you call me. That's
a good friend. It sounds like, oh, this dude was.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
It was, but it didn't turn out that way. Okay,
all right, we're just at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Of the story.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
So I go up there and Pat's already up there, right,
and he's like, what is that? Because my dad didn't
even tell him that there was a body that needed
to be moved.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
You didn't.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
And I'm like, he's like, he's like, is that a
dead person?

Speaker 4 (37:25):
He's like I'm like yeah, He's like he was just
throwing like it was like, what the fuck did I
come over here for? You know? He was a drug addict,
you know too. And my dad's like flunky, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
And so I said, whatever, Master, just go back downstairs.
I said, I'll take care of I said, don't touch them,
you know, like I I was manning up, you know
at the time in the matters.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
You know, sure, sure, I got you different terms.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
I was manning up. I was doing this thing whatever.
So I I found I had a Brewers banner.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
It was like a tart and.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
A blanket, a comforter, and I had wrapped them up
in it. And I ripped a cord off of a
vacuum cleaner and tied him up with it. Because I
was only so my drug addiction, you know, I was
doing math, coke, crack, heroin, fentanyl.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
I was doing it all the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
So my body weight was like not baby and yeah,
and I'm regular usually two hundred pounds, you know. So
and this this is a six foot four he's a
big guy, you know, he's he was forty years old
at the time. He's yeah, he was my age now, yeah,

(38:47):
and I'm twenty five, you know, around a bunch of.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Fucked up adults pretty much.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
And so I carried him all the way downstairs by
my all and got into the van and we started
to drive. And we is the middle of the night,
now the next day. And when I tell you that
the smell was something that I'll never forget either, is

(39:15):
this is in August.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
It's hot. We have no it's hot. It's bad. He
was going to ringmarts even faster than normal.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
So we're driving and we end up.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
I end up.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
I just said take a left here, and we took
a left in the area that I live in.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
There's a lot of marshlands.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
They could.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
We live round the next right next to the Mississippi River.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
So who was driving?

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Who?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Who was driving? Pat was driving? Then you and your
dad were just riding.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Pat's driving, My Dad's in the the passenger side. I'm
in the back.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
What kind of car was it? It was a mini van,
perfect for moving, you know the corners use them and ship.
They're good for that ship. So we'll use him. We'll
use him the tailgate and ship the Bengals game. You
can lose them. Use them for a losh. I highly
recommend minivans.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Right yeah, yeah, as well as the other are a
big Cadillac.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Right yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
So there's a place called Indian Hill. It's around the marsh.
So he went up there and I just told him
the pull over, and I found it kind of a
dark spot right on the edge of the marsh. I
didn't like put him way out in the marsh. I
just at the edge of the marsh there was it
was so dark and such so you know, such pitch black.

(40:38):
You know, you can't see my hand in front my face.
I lay him down into some ferns and as I
was trying to unwrap him it was like he he
fell into like this dark abyss, like he just went
like I didn't know that there was a giant.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Drop hill right here, and he fell. So I just
hurried up, grab.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Everything, throwing the van, and I ran out of there.
You know, I'm scared to be out there. I'm scared
to do this whole thing. This whole thing has been crazy,
you know.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
And so we go back.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
I end up meeting back up with Christina and me
and hers spend the night at her mom's house again.
So the next day, you know, I'm tired. I just
got to deal with everything that was going on.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
I'm already starting to feel another withdrawal.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Like it's bad, you know, like shit, now, the first
thing on my mind is not that what's happened. It's
like what am I going to do for my next fix?

Speaker 3 (41:44):
You know that. That's how terrible it was.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
And my dad was trying to call me and he's like, hey,
get get to the house now, you know. I'm like,
I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll be right there. And as
I got up, I went to go make like some
a muffin. I remember it was a muffin. I put
it in a microwave to heat it up a little bit,
and I had a butter knife in my hand, and
all of a sudden, I hear keys of the door. Well, here,

(42:10):
her mom had got up while we were sleeping and left.
I didn't know that she was even gone. I hear
keys of the door, and I think it's her mom
coming back. I didn't know she left. Well here it's
five lead investigators with their guns drawn on me, saying
telling me to put the knife down. I had a
yellow handled butter knife in my hand. Yeah, put the

(42:33):
knife downs.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
About the butter your muffins?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
I never got that damn muffin?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So oh man.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Yeah, So they pulled me in.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, they arrested.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
They arrested you. They put you cuffs, They take you
probably to their headquarters, I presume. Yeah, put you in
an interrogation room. Essentially, how long did you? Uh, and
you're going you're you're going through withdrawals. You're starting to
goe through withdraws this point. So uh, just without getting
too much further ahead and not even knowing this about
you or the situation, I'm imagining that state of mind

(43:10):
that you're in, that whatever you're probably thinking, I'll tell
these motherfuckers whatever they want to hear, as long as
I can get, just get a fucking hit, like I
just want I want to I want to get a
fucking hit. I want to get the fuck out of here.
I'll tell these motherfuckers that I blew it, like I
killed this guy, I killed my dad, and I killed Tina.
Just let me get the fuck out of here and
get my hit.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Nope, really dope, I'll tell you exactly what happened.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Okay, So I'm in there. They have Tina in the
other room. I don't know, like which room whatever, but
I'm in the room and so that you know they're
they're talking. They they want to talk to me, but
you know about you know, like something. You know, we
know that we know that someone got hurt, and you know, man,

(43:55):
just tell us where he is.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
And I was.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Chanting, I want an attorney. It was like, you know,
I'm my dad's a career criminal. Like that was that
was one O one you always ask I've never been
in this kind of situation, but motherfucker, I want an attorney.
I was pointing it. I said, I want to atturney.
You know, I was messed up in the head. I
thought I was playing my games with them, and they're like, well,

(44:22):
we can't give you one right now. I said, well,
I said, let me call my dad. I don't know
that they in the meantime that they were doing that.
They were they were doing a search warm on my
dad's house and they're arresting him. And I was like,
Jesus Christ, they you know this is crazy. So I said, listen,

(44:45):
I said, leave everyone alone. I said, I. I said,
pick you know, choose me. I said, I'm the one
that did it. I said, I'll show you where the
body is.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
I just show you where.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Tony is, right, And so I got in the car
with him. I went and I and I showed him right.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Where I put him.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Yeah, it was thirteen He sat out there for thirteen hours.
They acted like I was making a cold case out
of it. And I'm not saying that I would have
called him and told him where he was. I just
I don't know what would have happened. I never really
got the chance to.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
But this and that happened thy just it didn't happen
that way.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
It didn't happen that way. So I went and I
showed him. So they take me back to the county jail.
I'm booked, you know, I'm I'm fighting the case. So
Christina had she didn't know where I had put him,
but while they're questioning her, she thought that maybe I

(45:42):
chopped him up into pieces.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
It was on the recording. He thought that I did
some like even crazier shit, right, which hadn't happened, Which
hadn't happened.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
And then.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Pat he was willing to show him where the body was.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
And that that I had killed them all stuff.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
It was me and my dad that shut up. You know.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
My dad never said anything to anybody now long, yeah, yeah, right,
And I didn't.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
I was trying to put the blame on me.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
I didn't think they even had my dad.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
I'd never thought that they were even going after him
for any God him. We're all arrested, we're all in
the news, the four of us, and so I'm in
county jail for two years fighting this. I've never even
like the only times I've ever been arrested for like
an unpaid ticket or something was like back in like

(46:42):
two thousand and nine, you know, two years earlier, for
an unpaid ticket, and I was in and either in
forty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
So are you still were you still a musing while
you're in the County lock up?

Speaker 3 (46:52):
No? Not once I was sober hire time than I
was locked up.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Good.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, so yeah, there's a lot of funny stories for County.
But man, it's another episode.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
They I guess when you're going through the when you're
going through, at what point did they give you an attorney?

Speaker 3 (47:19):
So I didn't have an attorney for four months?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I think, did you get a public defender?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
No?

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Oh uh, Tina did.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
But see yeah, so if you're in a group of
people that get arrested, only one person gets a public defender.
The rest of them have to be appointed. I guess
it was the complex of interest to go out of
the same office. Yeah, so it took a while to
find one. So I did get one. She was awesome.
Name was Canvas and so anyways, we fought, and they

(47:56):
said that they violated my rights. I motioned because they
can continued to interrogate me after I wanted to wanted
an attorney.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Well, when you say you fought, so, what were what
were your initial charge? I think you know what were
all the initial charges?

Speaker 4 (48:13):
So I had first rewreckless homicide by overdose. It's the
Linn Bias law. You know who Linn Bias was.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I'm familiar with this, yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
And then it's hiding at corps. I didn't I said,
For one, I didn't even know hiding a corpse was
a charge. I thought maybe moving him, I thought was
maybe something different. I didn't know the actually had.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
A title charge of hiding a corpse.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Now, my overdose case was like the fourth one, fourth
or fifth one ever to happen in Mike.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
County, the gallows.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Because yeah, because it was something new.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
So now now if this happens, the most you're going
to get three years, you know, you know, for anybody else,
because common that everyone is dying.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
You know, what were you initially like in total amount,
Like what's the what's the scariest number you heard of
time you were being faced with throughout the entire process, Like.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
All right, so it was I think it was fifty years,
but it wasn't fifty years in so it was like
thirty five in fifteen out.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Oh my god. Yeah, that's scary shit. So you guys
were pushing for obviously for it to be maybe not
necessarily dismissed altogether but what were those discussions like with
your attorney? What were you guys pushing for?

Speaker 3 (49:36):
So there was no So the evidence now the evidence
they didn't.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
They did an autopsy on them, right, and his toxicology
report came back as his feentanyl that was that was
in a system was within the therapeutic range. Okay, okay,
So let's say the scale is one in three. Okay,
three is being the highest that anything over that is

(50:02):
an overdose. Yeah, so at one in three, he was
at one point five.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Okay, So what about the one little hit? What about
the pills he was taking? Did you was it ever
determine what that was?

Speaker 3 (50:17):
The pills?

Speaker 4 (50:18):
So the fact that the pills that were in his
system was lyrica. It's a nerve medication, a diabetic nerve
pain medication.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Right.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
What it does is it dulls your nerves.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
And what it can do is it can cause you
to not breathe very well.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Okay, And that mixed with the fentanyl, he certain he
pretty much just laid there and choked the death right much, which.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Is I couldn't react because of the fentanyl because he
was high, you.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Know, which is a different type of that's I mean,
sure that is an overdose, but like the overdose we
think of now, you just take so many drugs your
heart stops.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah, yeah, that a lot of asphyxiation, a lot of.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
I forgot what the name is is that's when you
throw up and they toes in your lungs.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yeah, exasperated or something like.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
That is.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
So, so the toxicology comes back like that. So now
during trial, I get my own toxicologist. And he was
forty years working with the county or whatever, and he
was like.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
He was their specialists at one point, but he was retired.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
He was saying that the fentanyl did not kill him,
that it was the lyric because it was it was
three times more than anybody should be.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
It was three times the amount, right.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Well, the thing is that the way the law works
is that while lyric is not illegal, yes it's a
prescription drug, but it's not a class.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Your meeting is at the end of its scheduled time.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Okay, oh no, that's fine, Well we can go over
it won't it won't cut us off?

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Okay? Cool? Anyways, so.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Where was I Okay, he was three times the amount
of it being an overdose for that stuff, but you
don't die from it, right, at least if there was
no record of anybody dying from it. So by law,
since it's not a scheduled drug, as long as you
had the scheduled drug inside of you, that's what for
the for the crime. So therefore that doesn't count at least,

(52:28):
you know, you know, you could sit there and and
nitpick at the case.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
The case is that heat.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Man died from a drug overdose. Whether it was that
or not, I responded wrong by doing what I did,
so you know, I'm I can see things a lot
more clearly now. It doesn't matter about this or that. Yeah,
I fought in court, and that's what you're supposed to do.
You're supposed to shut up for your own case and
fight it in court. You know you're supposed to. You know,

(52:58):
whether you did it or not that I guess, I
don't know. Yeah, what I wanted was that I got
on the stand and tried to tell them listen, I
hit the corpse. I know that that was my part
in this, but I said I didn't kill them, right,
and yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
So they found you guilty of reckless homicide.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Yep, first degree.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
So at that point I think I was in Kanye
Joe for like twenty three months. Well, my lawyer had
a baby at the time, so therefore she had to
go on leave. So not three months later I finally
get sentenced, and what I got sentenced was seven in
and fourteen out, So I got twenty Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
First degree reckless homicide because you were in the room with.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Another They say that I touched the drugs before.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
He did, which I mean both of you did. What
was she charged with?

Speaker 4 (53:56):
She got second degree? She pled out. Everybody got the
plea out. My dad out, pat pled out. He got five.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Years probation for it for being the driver.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
My dad got one year in, one year out for
hiding a corpse, and then my Tina had got four
years in.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
In nine out, four more than Why did they want
to They wanted to make an example of you because
you didn't plead out.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Yep, I went to trial. Yeah, they tried to give me.
They try to give me second degree and they take
off the hiding a corpse. I said, I can't do
that because you know being I mean I should have
done it. Obviously I would only got They said I
would have gotten five in five out, which is to
be over with over with it by now, but the
fact is I didn't.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
I went to trial. I said I did. I hid
the corpse. I did that.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
I removed Tony's by from my house and I put
him where I did.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
I did that part.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
I'll get on the stand and I told my side
of the story, and that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Now, whatever, you So, how much time did you actually
serve in the state prison?

Speaker 4 (55:13):
So I did two years in county jail, five years
in prison, so there'd be a total of seven. I
did every day of seven.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Fuck man. Yeah, so you would have gotten out and
what like.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I went in twenty five, came out thirty three.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Okay, what year did you get out twenty eighteen eighteen?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
What was the.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
What level?

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Like?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
What level camp were you in?

Speaker 5 (55:37):
Real?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
High security? Low security?

Speaker 3 (55:40):
So in Wisconsin you automatically go to max. Same again here, Corot. Yeah,
so then after that you go to I went to medium.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
I was a medium for a couple of years, and
then after that I got to go to minimum and
I got to go to a work release. I was
up way up north, up by Superior, Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Yeah, I was up there. I was working. I was
working in a machine shop where actually I learned a
lot of the trades that I do this day.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Sure what what? What was your was your disciplinary record?
Like in prison?

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Perfect?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Never been sho oh okay, So it sounds like you
were a fucking a model inmate, if there is such
a thing. I guess I was.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
I was, you know, I was a trustee even I
I ended up being like a lead lead maintenance for
the for the minimum UH Center, and I was. I
was doing a lot of stuff I did. I did
everything I could to improve myself to.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Get out of there, and to improve yourself.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Well, end up paying all my restitution while I was
in prison by myself.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Really mm hmmm, that's impressive, man. I mean, obviously the circumstances,
the circumstances are incredibly unfortunate, but it sounds like one
thing that kind of, in my mind, distinguishes the difference
between somebody that made a mistake and a crew. As
somebody that make a mistake, they own up to it. All. Right,

(57:04):
this happened. I made a mistake. Time to own up
to it, Time to do whatever I can to make
this as close to being fixed as humanly possible. Whereas
a criminal will live their entire life, I didn't do
that just be a pattern of abuse and a pattern
of I don't give a fuck. I don't care who
I hurt. I don't care who I steal from. Yeah, So,

(57:27):
in my in my rightful eyes, I think you're you're
somebody that made a mistake. You're not a you're not
a criminal. Which it's sadly the way. I think you've
more than proven yourself at this point. And I commend
you for forgetting through it. But man, that's the thing

(57:48):
here is we're talking about addiction in it like for
a it ruined. It didn't ruin your life. It ruined
a huge portion of your life though, right.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
And it still made me the man I am today,
which is something I probably would have never made to.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
And what I got to what advice would you give
to somebody that is currently using to just to give
him a light to work towards or an avenue out
of there? What what advice like if if you if
I come to you right now, And I said, Caine, Man,
I'm fucking using five times a day. I'm fucked up.
I'm you know, I just I'm stealing. What should I

(58:29):
do right now to just to find my way out
of this ship?

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Give sobriety a chance, give it time, go to treatment,
Go to treatment. Those the people that say, well, treatment
won't work on me, because like I, you know whatever,
go to treatment. I went to treatment. I couldn't have
done it without treatment. And don't get wrong, I got
out of prison. Doesn't mean I didn't still have my bomps. Yeah,

(58:55):
I'm listen to this day. I am three years sober,
not not, you know, from twenty eleven sober.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yeah. Well I got out and.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Still and still fell back into old ways, you know,
COVID hit stuff like that. You know, it was the
stuff that was going on in my life was you
know it was.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
It wasn't.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
I lost my job at the time. I I messed
up and I did drugs. So the thing is that
I got in trouble again and I almost got revocated
back to prison.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Man.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Yeah, I know you think after everything, all that the
whole story now it's not it's don't ever think that
you're over with your sobriety is needs to be worked
on every single day, needs to You need to give
it a chance.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
You need to see what your life can be without it.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
And I am telling you right now, I know for
a fact that I and I'm not trying to be overconfident,
because no one should ever be over confident. But I
don't know the fact that I will never turn back
to that because I am so tired, so sick, and
tired of being that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Well. Man, I commend you for for just having that
understanding with yourself to look in the mirror and say, like,
I like this is it's over. That's a that's an
old you. Essentially, for lack of a better term, you
kind of buried that that part of you a long
time ago, and you've got a whole lot to live
for now. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
So at the same time that I was going through treatment,
and this was three years ago, I went through treatment
and Madison, Wisconsin, and at that same time, my dad
was passing away. And you know, he was always someone
that was in the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
I loved him very much.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
He's like a he's kind of majestic, you know, he's
kind of a motherfucker, you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Know, kind of legendary, like some people like that can
be kind of legendary, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Just he was very legendary.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
And I just I wouldn't have been able to be
with him when he passed away because he ended up being.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Amblet. He wasn't in Madison.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
He ended up going to Madison because yeah, it was
having a lot of strokes and I just couldn't believe
that I was actually in treatment and at the where
in the same area that he was at the hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Yeah, I got to be with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Him, you know, And well that's a blessing, man.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Yeah, And I got to work with that while I
was in treatment. So the hardest thing I ever had
to go through was my losing my father.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
And getting sober at the same time.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Getting sober at the same time. I was able to
deal with it. Bad things doesn't mean you got to
turn back to going doing dumb shit, you know. I
was able to work it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
There's other ways, there's other ways to cope, there's ways
to the might usually get through it, man, without turning
to something that can ruin so much for you. And Yep,
my my true hope for this episode all you know,
I've said it before, but all respect to anyone, not

(01:01:52):
just not just the Tony that we talked about, but
anyone that's had a loved one that's passed from addiction
or I just hope that maybe we can provide a
sliver of hope for somebody that might be at rock
bottom to be like, look, there's people that have been
in really bad situations that have come out and found

(01:02:14):
the light on the other side. And I think that's
what what you what you did, Kane.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
So yeah, they're writing, ain't over. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
You gotta you gotta you know, just because you do
some ship and make it bad one day, it doesn't
mean tomorrow has to be the same.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I appreciate that, man. That's that's good stuff to live by.
And your story is well, that part of it is interesting.
Your your story's not done yet, and I I I
can't wait to read the end of your book once
it's uh, you know, I want to be there to
celebrate with you and stuff. Man, So you have my phone,

(01:02:47):
you have my phone number. Just if any if anyone,
if anyone offers you enough money, you can share it.
But you know, like as long as like, if you're
just being all willy nilly with it, you know, I don't,
I don't want you doing that, but you know, somebody
offers you a substantial amount of money, then yeah, you
could probably share it. I guess that would as long
as it benefits you and sometime. But from the bottom

(01:03:09):
of my heart, if you ever find yourself in a
position where you're like, look, I just need I need
somebody to talk to. I need somebody just like an ear,
a buddy, somebody like a man with a good heart,
you can you can reach out to me because I
know that sometimes as men, we got the stigma like
I'm fine, I'll fucking figure the fuck out. I've been.
I've gone through it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
We're just like I will figure it the fuck out myself,
and it's hard to find another man with a good heart.
That's just like, Okay, here's some good advice. So uh,
I'll be that friend for you man, if you ever
if you need to turn to me and talk, I'm
I'm happy to to be there for you in the
ear to. But you know you used to like hit

(01:03:49):
me up at like three am, like hey, man, can
get twenty bucks. I'm like, you fu fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
You're on that fucking shit again, aren't you. You told
me you were never again idea, Yeah, but I mean
I mean that, man. So thank you Kane for telling
your story. I'm sure the Brahia listeners will will enjoy
very uh very.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Hopefully I let them down. Hopefully I don't feel and
mope after this one?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Do you like through the entire process, Like do you
do you remember, like through the entire process, what moment
you felt the most helpless, like this is really fucking bad?
Or just like, you know, was there a point where
you thought like I'm doing life in prison or just
like what was the your worst day through this entire

(01:04:37):
process aside from the actual like the act of everything happening.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
But I definitely got it. Yeah, it was the day
of sentencing. I had to get up and read my
speech to the judge and to the people, to Tony's family.
That day will always be burned in my memory. For sure.
I had aologize for everything and and what the effect

(01:05:04):
that it did for me. You know, I hope that
you know, they they find peace.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
You know, well, man, that's the thing you shouldn't hold
against yourself. You can't. You can't make them find peace.
All you can offer is just like I hope they
find peace, and I think could they're there? You didn't.
What you can't hold against yourself is like you you
didn't have to be the one like Tony. We shouldn't
do these fucking drugs. I'm sure there were lots of

(01:05:34):
people in his life that could have been like, okay
you yeah, but there's a lot of people in your
life that could have got to you before that moment
and said like, look, let's get you in treatment. Let's
not do these drugs. But that could be said for
all of us right now. Is uh. If you know
somebody that's like you, feel like they're addicted and their

(01:05:58):
their grip by addiction, you can be that person to say,
stand up, we're going someplace to get you taken care of.
You don't have to be like, oh, Jim's stealing fucking
air conditioners again or whatever he's getting in the trash
he's cutting cutting off catalytic converge. You don't have to
just sit back and just oh, he's on the fucking shit.

(01:06:20):
You can be the one to grab Jim and say, look, buddy,
let's go to treatment right now. He says, no, I
don't need it, I'm let's go. Come on. You can.
You can be the one to help them break the cycle,
and sometimes that's what that's what they need.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
So do you want to hear a funny story about
the during the trial?

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
All right. So you know, the room is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Really heavy with you know, you got Toy's family on
the one side, you got my family on the other.
You know, we're there there to support me. And my
grandmother even comes to the trial, and so so obviously
I'm mixed. My dad is like my dad was much
makes he's like mostly black, but he's white too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
You know, I don't know what that means, but okay,
we'll go with it. He's only two humans can make
a child.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
My grandma was half there, had some Irish in her,
so she was a little a little bit white, so Irish.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
An Irish African American. Okay, I got you right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
So my my grandma on my mother's side, is full
blooded white German, blonde hair, blue eyes, and she's of
course we reckon with right, but she's there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
She doesn't like everybody, but hey, she's actually there just
for me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
I couldn't believe it. And all of a sudden, I
see the DA is coming off from the hallway and
I'm looking and it's you know, everything is kind of heavy.
We're going through the motions of the trial, and all
of a sudden I see the DA and she's asking
for my mom. I'm like, what the hell is going on?
Like they don't talk. You know, it's the DA you know,
like we're fighting each other right now, we're in trial.

(01:07:59):
My grandma went into the bathroom and ship everywhere and
got stuck in the bathroom in the middle of try
and was screaming my mom's name from the.

Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
Dry Yeah, many out of there.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
So my so my mom goes in there and she's like,
wash this. She throws her shitty drawers over the fucking door.
My mom washes it and she hands in back to her.
She's like, you missed the spot. She throws them back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Grandma is still alive or she passed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
She's still alive, about to go to her birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
And got out and yeah, take her a sack of diapers.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
All right, man, Well thanks for coming on the episode.
I will stop the recording in just a second and
we'll talk more. But Kane, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
And hear my story. Man, Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
There's the honor to be on the Broile podcast. I
Love I Love You Guys podcast from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Man, the honor is all mine and not Roberts, because
he's not here. He's playing a doubleheader, which sounds like
there's two dicks involves if you doubleheader. All right, thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Hmm, I want to see passsssssssssssssssssssssssssss