Dark Vault: The Man With No Face

In this haunting episode of The Dark Vault, we sit down with a listener who swore she didn’t believe in ghosts — until one started following her. What began with a tragic encounter outside her school in Pasadena, Texas, spiraled into decades of fear, unexplained activity, and a chilling figure that watched her from every window. Her story takes us through trauma, skepticism, and a terrifying moment when others started seeing the same faceless man she thought was only in her head. This one will rattle you. 🎰

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
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welcome to another episode of not really the Brohio Podcast,

(00:43):
but the Brohio Podcast Dark Vault. Yes, it's where listeners
submit their stories, We vet them, we read them, and
then we bring them on the show for an interview
to talk about what are fucked up situation they were
involved in. Couple of housekeeping things, real quick, Robert Dogg
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doc Vault episode with Alito, who had a very strange
encounter with a man missing his face who possibly haunted
her for most of her life since then until recently.

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Enjoy the show. And also maybe you've gone through something traumatic.
You've gone through some type of haunting, so you know,
not just like oh uh, something to my house is
going bumping the night, that shit doesn't work. Maybe you've
gone through uh you have certain knowledge of a government
cover up, You're part of a secret project, whatever it is.

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I'm really putting the feelers out there for people that
have gone through things that not necessarily associated with ghosts.
I'm looking for people that have gone through heinous, crazy shit,
whether it's a crime you committed, or you were with
somebody during a crime. Maybe you went to prison for
something awesome. I don't know anybody with an interesting story.

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Say you're the You're you go to parties and people
often make you talk about this certain story. We'd love
to have you on the show. We'll set you up
on a weeknight, get to talk with one would talk
with at least me most of the time, both of us.
But uh, we really look forward to hearing your stories.
If you want, you can send your Dark Vault stories

(06:03):
to Brohio Podcast at gmail dot com. We'll sift through those,
we'll reach out, we'll get you on the show. It'll
be awesome. Enjoy the show, guys, Thank you, I have
so Hey. All right, okay, everyone, welcome to the Brohio
Dark Vault, where we dive into the strange, the traumatic,

(06:24):
the weird, the off the wall, and the unexplained stories
sen in by you, our listeners. Today we're speaking with Alita,
who reached out with a we'll call it a haunting
story that began in nineteen ninety nine and passing the
Pasady in Texas, where she witnessed a horrific scene that

(06:45):
seemed to follow her for many, many years. And what
makes this story so compelling is Anita's self just I'm sorry, Alita.
I'm gonna call you Anita fifteen thousand more times throughout
this episode because Anita feels more natural than Alita. But
I'm gonna, I'm gonna be I'm gonna get there, Okay, Alita,
all right, all right? And what uh what makes the
story so compelling is her self described skepticism about the supernatural,

(07:11):
Yet the events she experienced, well, it pushed her to
question what she thought was possible or even real. Uh, Alita,
thank you so much for joining the show. We are well.
I'm honored to hear your story. Robert is not fucking here,
so it's just me. Alita, thanks for coming on the show.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
No problem.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Hey, I reached out and put up the Facebook post
and the Instagram post, and I said, we're looking for
anybody that's gone through something weird, strange, off the wall.
And you shared a story with me that you said
you've not really shared with Uh, you've not really shared before.
So I appreciate you being completely comfortable with me, at

(07:55):
least a freaking weirdo, but comfortable enough to sir. You're
you're kind of your your strange story. It kind of
followed you for a few years. I'm excited to dive
into the detailed details here. But before we get going, Alita,
you uh uh, we'll just touch on again. You've you've

(08:16):
been listening to the show since since the beginning? You said, yep, cool,
And are you in the Facebook group? I feel like
i've I've I've seen you a bazillion times, but I
just don't know where.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Probably on Instagram most likely.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Okay, all right, Well, thank you so much for the
years of listenership and then inviting us into your brain,
which is probably while it's half why it's half ruined
and got ship wrong with it because of us. That's fair,
because of us, and we're I'm I'm very thankful, Alita
for you listen to the show, and also I'm very
thankful that you're you're going to open up a little

(08:54):
bit here and share something that's truly fucking horrific.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, no problem, all right.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
So let's start from the beginning. You mentioned you sent
the story in I read it. I'm gonna try not
to tell your story. I'm gonna do my best to
guide you through you telling your own story, if that
makes sense. Let's start from the beginning. You mentioned this
happened in Pasadena, Texas, back in nineteen ninety nine. What

(09:21):
was your life like back then, What grade were you
in and how familiar were you with the area where
this kind of all went down.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Uh? Yeah, So I was born in Houston, Texas, Okay,
and at the time I lived in Pasadena. I was
in third grade and I was walking to school and
my school. You could see it from my patio from
my apartment complex across the street was a.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Farm and then it was my school, but there was.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Like a concrete pad in between the two from some
store that used.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
To be there at some point. Okay, this is pretty
much right down the road from my house.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, so not pretty pretty close proximity. And you were
in the third grade in nineteen ninety nine, all right,
so we're roughly yeah, we're roughly about the same age,
not too far apart. So this kind of helps. I
like to think back, so like when I'm trying to
think about the timeline of my life, when I'm when
I'm talking to a child, like if I tell a

(10:21):
four year old, four year old child to fuck off,
I did? I put I go inside my own brain
and I'm like, Okay, I was in preschool when I
was four years old, And I try and think about
all the shit I remember in preschool, and not a lot,
not a lot of stuff. I remember a few things.
So you know, if I tell a four year old

(10:42):
to like fuck off or something, I don't feel necessarily
bad about it, because you know, I don't remember that
too much shit from that age. But then when I
start to get that third, fourth, fifth grade, those numbers,
I remember a lot of that, So I'm not as
confident telling you know, like a third grade or a
fuck off. I'm like, Oh, they're gonna remember that ship
for the rest of their life, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, that's kind of like the age where you kind
of finally start remembering some of the things that are
going on, and this one was definitely something that I remember.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, and I well, can you take us back to
that day in nineteen ninety nine when you were walking
to school, right, you were walking to school in Pasadena, Texas.
Walk us through what you saw when you said that
a life light or what we call here here, God,

(11:34):
we call it something else here.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
But it's like matavac these days.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, I can't remember what we call here in Ohio.
But the helicopter landed in the moment that you made
eye contact with somebody there at the scene. Kind of
take us through how this all played out, what you
went through.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Sure, So I used to talk to school every day because,
like I said, I was right down the road from
my house. I walked to school with two friends and
usually what we would do is if we left a
little bit early, we would take like a little side
street that just let you down a block and you would.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Still come out at the school.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Okay, So that.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Day we didn't take our little extra alcohol walk because
we were already running late and on my way. Like
I said, there's that concrete path between the farm and
the school. A life flight or now a Metavac helicopter
had landed there, and then an ambulance had pulled up.
And when I was watching the ambulance pull up, when

(12:37):
they were transporting whoever was in set ambulance into the helicopter,
this dude was. He was screaming like non stop, screaming,
help me, help me, help me, and he like.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
His whole face was just blood there.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
It didn't look like there was skin Like I was
only like right across the street, yeah, from this going on,
and he definitely had like some kind of like road
rash on his chest and his legs.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Okay, so it almost appeared like his face had been
ripped off essentially, is what.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, Like I would have I would have compared it
to like a motorcycle accident where you're going across you.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Know, gravel and ground.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah sure, but uh right, as you know, right as
I'm looking at him from across the street and he's
screaming that. I mean, I'm trying to like focus on
it and understand it because I'm I'm eight years old,
Like I don't know what's going on. I looked and
I felt like he looked right at me. And then
right after he looked at me, stop screaming, stop moving,

(13:36):
and then everything just kind of stopped. Helicopter got turned off,
ambulance stopped. There was just nothing was going on.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
And when you say he when you say he stopped screaming,
he pretty much took his last breath.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
In that instant, right, I would say, so.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Okay, it's very pot Yeah, I mean that, you know,
there's a lot of people that report different things about
just what it's like when you take your your last breaths.
But that's the thing is nobody knows because you're fucking dying.

(14:13):
Like it's it's one thing to die and be brought back,
which I think is completely different. You're not really all
the way dead in my opinion. I don't know, that's
kind of subjective, but you just kind of in a
profound moment, emotional moment, a traumatic moment, this guy locked
eyes with you, and then essentially the last breath in

(14:39):
his chest escaped him, and then the medics presumably kind
of turned everything off at that point in I guess,
in that moment where you were kind of locked eyes
with with could you really tell if it was like
an old guy or a or anymore. I mean, I

(15:02):
know he's pretty pretty tore up, but is there any
other details that you remember from that day.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I don't think at the time I could have told
you if he was any kind of age or not,
only because all I could hear was based kind of
on voice. I would say that to my brain at
that time, definitely some kind of adult.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
I don't think more than fifty.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Okay, But I know when later in the story, when
I discuss it with someone who came to my home,
they were like, I can tell you everything, but.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I, well, it's not weird. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
We're gonna make this last longer than five minutes. Well,
this is what my wife always says to me. She's like,
we gonna make we gotta make this last longer than
five minutes. I'm like, well, fucking good luck, because yeah,
you got the wrong guy for that shit. Do you
I guess in that moment, do you feel like there

(15:53):
was Can you recall like there being any type of connection.
Do you feel like, I know, obviously you watched the
guy and he was kind of looking at you when
it happened. Do you feel like there was any kind
of connection or was there something else entirely going on?
Or in that moment do you remember walking away from
there just like, Okay, this is what I felt, this

(16:15):
is what I went through. Is there anything that sticks
out in that moment?

Speaker 3 (16:20):
I think at the time, just because I was so young,
I think I was more or less confused.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, for sure, And I.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Think I think a lot of it didn't hit until
I was discussing it with my parents when I came
home from school that day.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Sure, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Just kind of, you know, giving each other that look like, oh,
where do we go from here?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, and then just kind of letting it go until
I started getting older.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, and a lot of I mean, for someone to
go through that, that's a pretty traumatic experience for young
child to go through, especially not understanding just the way
life works, how it can just be over in an instant,
and whenever you're eight years old, you're not really thinking
about Okay, is this personally I guess.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
The visual was more traumatic than it actually happened.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, Like, I remember I found this when I was
little little. I found like a bunch of kittens underneath
of a porch and I brought them home and uh
my mom was like, what are you gonna do with
all these kittens? These kittens are days old, and I said,
I'm a bottle feed him. I'm gonna raise these cats,
and uh my mom was like, it sounds like a
really bad idea. And these fucking cat and these kittens

(17:35):
had me up all night the first night, just like, yeah,
I had no idea what I was doing, like nine
or ten years old, and I picked this one up
to feed it and there was a bunch of worms
in its butt and that image just stuck with me
my whole entire life. And sometimes i'm eating food, I
think about it and I'm like, I start to throw
up at bit, but then I stopped.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Traumatic.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It is traumatic, but uh those kittens all died the
next day. I guess I'm sad to report, but I've
done my due diligence and rest rescuing kitties ever since then.
You know, I've I've rescued all three of my cats,
and they're all three not thankful or not grateful, but
I do you know, I take a care of my

(18:20):
my uh shitty kiddies. I guess my next my next
question is how did that experience shape your immediate days
or weeks after that? Did you tell anyone about it
at the time? You know, I think you mentioned briefly
you talk to your parents when you got home, but

(18:41):
did you talk to friends or family about it? And
you said that I think you, uh, well, well, we'll
just we'll put that question out there. How did it
How did it shape the the the days in the
weeks after, was there what was different for you? And
how did you go through that?

Speaker 3 (18:57):
I would say, like for a little little bit, because
I know I mentioned in the email, I had this
horrible fear of looking out of windows at night because
I think it was just the trauma of seeing I mean,
at least to me, That's how I made it seem
was it was the trauma of having seen it, and
it was just replaying in my head, especially as someone who,

(19:20):
like you said, I am pretty skeptic of stuff like that. Yeah,
so I think I was seeing that face because I
was just thinking about how traumatic it was to have
seen it, but it was like I couldn't look through windows.
I constantly just saw, you know, his lack of face,
and that kind of molded just random fear. And then

(19:42):
there was stuff that was going on in my home.
I want to say, after I moved out of Texas
is when I started noticing it more. But then again,
I'm getting older, so I think I'm able to acknowledge
that things are happening that don't make any sense to me.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Sure, I get yeah, I feel you on that one.
It's just kind of and also, you kind of we
kind of prefaced all this by saying you're a bit
of a guarded skeptist to say, I guess to call that,
but I guess you said there was two girls with

(20:19):
you at the time, right.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I was walking with a girl and a guy at
the time.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Okay, did you Were they the same age as you
or older or younger?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (20:30):
One was older, when was younger? They were brother and sister.
And they never really talked about it to me after that, really,
because I would think that the next question would be
how did they feel about it?

Speaker 2 (20:41):
They never discussed it.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Like, what the fuck was that all about?

Speaker 3 (20:43):
That's what I would have said, yeah, we were all
just standing there staring. But they never they never addressed it.
Their parents never talked to my parents. It was just
complete lya blink for them.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, and I I mean, some people handled trauma like that.
They just say, I'm blocking that shit out. I ain't
talking about it. I ain't And sometimes I can get
like that, where if I go through something, I just
don't want to face it, I don't want to talk
about it, I don't want and most recently, you know,

(21:16):
when my dog Ace died, I just didn't want to
I just didn't want to talk about it. I just
completely wanted to avoid it. And that's a really unhealthy
way to process grief. And I've learned a lot about
processing grief and how to get through certain things. But
I would, oh, man, for a kid to go through

(21:38):
something like that. You know, it's not crazy to think
about therapy or or you know, talking to a medical
professional about hey, yeah, let's let's see if we can
make this not fuck them up for the rest of
their life. If possible, Yeah, if possible. And you you
touched on it, you touched on it briefly, but you

(21:59):
describe the image of the man and his injuries and
kind of his we'll say, lack of face, and it
stuck with you and you touched on it briefly, but
it sparked the fear of looking out windows. Can you
talk about how that maybe how that fear manifested in
your daily life, where there maybe specific moments where you

(22:23):
felt his presence or saw something that reminded you of him,
or kind of how that kind of how that fear
of looking out windows manifested.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I think that kind of started when I moved to Pennsylvania.
I lived in an apartment complex where there was a
one way street and the way it was situated was
my window facing the backside of the apartment was at
the base of a trailhead for the Appalachian Trail. Oh okay,

(22:54):
So not only do I have this random and fear
from this trauma I've received, but I also live in
you know, one of the more.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Questionable areas of the forest.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, like something that come out of the woods and
fucking eat you something.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Kind of Yeah, I'm already scared of that too, because
we have all of our stories about that as people
live near near trails. But uh, it was a one
way road that was just behind it. It was just thick
enough for you know, a car to go through, and
that's how you would park out front. And anytime I
heard anyone going back there, if somebody walked back there,

(23:29):
or if there were there were always people in the
forest sometimes because they weren't on trails, And that just
made it even harder to deal with the fact that
when I tried to look out into it, into the dark,
I could see that face, but I could also hear
other things going on. That just kind of exacerbated how
I was feeling already.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot going
on right there. Not only are you dealing with monsters,
but some guy's face it got ripped off. That's pretty Uh.
Was it was it all windows or just just like
that window in your apartment?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
It was it was all of them. We had like
a patio.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
I wouldn't look out on the patio, our kitchen window, nothing.
I'd go to friends' houses. I'm not trying to look
out your windows. You don't have curtains. I don't want
to be there.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
We blacked these bitches out while I'm here, just until
I leave something. Yeah, are you still dealing with it
today a little bit, or is it pretty much? You
know you've pretty much handled it.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I don't have the fear of that specific reason of
looking out the window. Okay, I think my more specific
reason is I've ended up moving into some lesson savory
places here and there, and I've been robbed before. So
now I'm just scrotled out my window because I think
someone's going to know I'm home.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
That they're just like someone knocked at your door that
wants to talk to you. That's terrifying as an adult too,
and someone just knocks and wants to sell you, like
fucking lawn care service or something.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's always it's always the third party energy companies.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, there was a guy at our front door. He
was he was a younger dude. He knocked on my door.
My wife answered because she thought it was my brother.
He looked like my brother, and she answered the door.
And my wife is just she just can't say I
can be like funk off, I'm not interested, like go away,
I'm not like no things. My wife cannot say no,

(25:20):
she cannot say I'm not interested. No, thanks, please just
leave us alone. Even though I've got a giant nose
solictening sign right next to our front door, and she said, well,
just come back later and my husband will well, uh,
he'll buy it. It was like insect care for your lawn. Yeah,

(25:42):
She's like, just come back later, my husband will do it.
So this guy, you know, a salesperson, that that's gospel
of them. So he came back and knocked on my door. Nothing, don't, don't, don't.
He knocked harder. I'm like, this motherfucker. Then he starts
pushing my doorbell, like my ring doorbell. He starts pushing
that after he'd already knocked, and I'm like, dude, and

(26:06):
then and then he knocks like he's coming in, just
like boom boom, boom boom. And I went down there.
I ripped the door open and I was just like
read the sign, motherfucker, and I slammed the door in
his face. And my told my wife about it. She's like,
I feel really bad because I told him you were
going to talk to him later, and I was just like,

(26:28):
it's not you. But as a salesperson, he can't knock
like that, especially when like I'm just I'm a little crazy.
I'm not all the way crazy, but I'm a little
crazy and he just can't he can't knock like that.
I'm sorry, I'm getting off in the woods here, Alita,
but it upsets me, and I think I've made a

(26:49):
pretty conscious decision that I'm not gonna look out windows either.
Just together, we will not look out windows ever again. Alita,
That'll just be let's see, let me see where I'm
at my questions here. Well, let's we'll start to move
forward here. You said, as you've grown older up until
the age twenty five, and we'll not get we will

(27:11):
not get into the incident of what happened with your
brother yet. But you said, kind of over the years
as you grew older, a lot of weird occurrences were
kind of popping up around the house for many years,
things moving, shadows, sounds. Was there ever a point where
you started to say, Okay, something is in here or

(27:35):
I'm possibly losing my mind. Take us through, Take us
through some of the things that started happening, and maybe
at what point you started to question your own sanity.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
They I mean, I would say from about ten to
like we mentioned, till about twenty five was when the
little things were going on, right, I notice stuff had
been moved or like it looked like shadows are moving
across the room. And obviously, since I say that I
have this huge fear of looking out windows, there's not
like coming in, nothing is casting anything to make these

(28:11):
shadows look like they're moving.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, so that was.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
One of the ones that really got me. And then
obviously just weird noises. I lived in a weird area,
so that definitely contributed to it. But the number one
thing that sparked it all, like, and like I said
in my email, was when every single item that was
on top of my refrigerator flew into my dining room.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
No, that's some like Poulter guy shit right there.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, it was terrifying.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
And do you I guess to go back before we
get to the before we get to the part about
the shit flying off the refrigerator. Was there was there
anyone else in your life that was maybe picking up
on these nuances, maybe picking up on things getting moved around,
weird noises, weird shadows. Was there anyone else in your

(28:57):
life that was experiencing the same thing?

Speaker 3 (29:01):
I would say there was, I know back when I
was still like living with my parents.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know, where'd this go?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Where's this at and then my mom having to rip
apart the house to try to find something that definitely
shouldn't have been where it would.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
End up being I lose shit all the time. I
can't find any I'll be looking for the remote when
it's in my hand, I can't That's fair. My mom
always says that I would lose my dick if it
weren't attached. That that's what she says about me. That's
a really hateful thing to say about your son, mom.
But here we are.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Here we are.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
But now, like even I at one point I had
a significant other move in with me, and it.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Would always be, Hey, where did this go? Why is
this here? Why is this there?

Speaker 3 (29:43):
This doesn't make sense, and you know, we would just
write it off saying, oh, I must have moved in.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I thought about it or something like that.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
But then I had another person I was dating who
had moved in and he was actually more into spiritual
stuff and he was like, there's something funky here.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Okay, Like, yeah, I don't know, but here we are.
That kind of aligns with my next question. How was
the overall how was like the energy in the house,
the vibes. Was it kind of like you know, was
it a happy place? Was there could you feel the
energy their presence of something or kind of anything that
stands out in that aspect to you.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I guess, I mean, it's kind of it's kind of
hard to tell.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Along with the skepticism, I had a lot of mental
health issues that were not diagnosed, Yeah, and I think
that that kind of played into the overall kind of
like depressing aura of my home unfortunately. But I think
I have heard other people just say that the vibes
were off and they would be at my house just

(30:46):
things were just strange feeling.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
And people, you know, a lot of people don't buy
too much into this, but honestly, if you are in
a house it's manifesting something like that, it can. It
can play a huge part in your mental health and
your mental well being. It can you may think, oh,
I'm just a sad person, I'm just a down person,

(31:10):
I'm just a you know, I'm thinking about hurting myself whatever,
and it can that can be the energy from whatever
is manifesting in the house that's kind of making you
feel that making you feel that weight on your soul.
And if you know, you can go to a doctor
or whatever. But if if ultimately it's you know, a doctor,

(31:31):
you go to a doctor. Doctor is not gonna be like, well,
your fucking house is on it. That's why you're sad. Yeah,
that's not on the that's not on the coding for
the diagnosis. I promise ghosts it's a it's not on there.
So that can be Uh, that can be a tricky
thing to navigate, and that's why one of one of
the two people that I've just really been obsessed with

(31:54):
over the years is ed Lorraine Warren. And I know
that some people say like, oh my god, no, there
is just none of that. Some of the shit is hokey,
And I do think that some of the shit was hokey,
but I think in a few instances they were kind
of in over their heads dealing with some type of
demonic activity that they probably shouldn't have been dealing with themselves.

(32:16):
But I think, yeah, if you are in a home
that is perhaps dealing with something in there that has
not crossed over that does indeed wish harm on you.
That it can put you in a situation where you're
feeling like, oh my god. That's I mean, if you
talk to religious people about demons, which I'm not a

(32:38):
religious person at all. They say, like, yeah, demons want
you to feel like you want to hurt yourself. Demons
feel like they want you to feel like you can't
put down the bottle and and everything. And you know,
I'm like, uh, maybe, maybe not, but those are definitely
two things that go hand in hand.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
You say that like a, Yeah, it wasn't great vibes
in there, and I was kind of going through some
stuff and it may and you say that you were
going through some stuff, but it may have been something
in there causing.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
That something that or making it worse.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, aligns with kind of what we're talking about. Now.
My favorite part of the story. You mentioned that there
was a point when you were about twenty five years old.
It's something pretty traumatic happened while you were with your brother.
Take me through that incident you kind of you kind
of pulled the curtain back a little bit there for

(33:35):
a second. But take us through that incident where you
and your brother saw all the shit fly off the refrigerator.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
So the person that I do refer to as my
brother is not biologically my brother. It's one of those
scenarios where you end up building your own family later
in life, sure, and you know you have those people
who live in and out of your life and in
your home. So it was more like that. We were
it was like a Friday night. We know we're gonna

(34:05):
go to the bar. We're just kind of chilling, just
waiting until it's the right time because we're going for karaoke.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
And like I said in the email, we're sitting on
my sofa and we're watching vines. We're watching a vine
compilation vines. So we're doing the most like innocent, humanly
possible thing, not drinking yet nothing, just chilling, you know, quoting,
quoting the shit out of stupid videos. Yeah, and literally

(34:31):
just sitting on the sofa.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
If you're sitting on it and you're facing forward, it's
the TV.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
It's up against a wall, and then there's an opening
and it's the dining room. And then behind the wall
of the TV is where the kitchen's at, and we're just.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Sitting there and out of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
I everything that I keep on top of my refrigerator
was in my dining room, like my crock.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Pot, which is terrifying because it's huge and heavy.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Steam pots, pasta pots, strainers, cookie sheets like you name it,
anything you might keep on top of your refrigerator at
the time, was in my dining room.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Well, and the skeptic in me, like, at any point
in the recent you know, like right before that, had
you just put something big back up there, or had
you reordered everything or moved anything around, or was this
kind of just like out of the blue. You hadn't
touched anything.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
In a while, out of the blue, hadn't touched anything
in a while.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
We actually had just sat down to eat food that
we went out and picked up, so we hadn't even
been in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, and that's you never really you never really have
felt true fear until you've had a crack nat flying
at you from the other side of the.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
House, especially because it was about it was a.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Good solid six feet God damn.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
And I had a glass dinner table, so that was
even scarier because if it wouldn't hit my dinner table,
that just would have been it would have been over.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
And how are the vibes that night? You said it
was like it was just like cool chick old vibes. Right, No,
not at all.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
I'm like crying, I'm so scared.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I don't know what's going on, and he's just like, Oh,
pretty sure it's that guy that lives here.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Well that and I was when I was reading your email,
you said that he said the you need to get
rid of the guy in the window. He's messing with everything.
And that kind of made my skin stand like the
hair and my skin stand up. What do you what

(36:30):
do you mean by that? Take us through what he
said and kind of fill us in up to that point. Okay,
we got, we got. We lost our connection there for
a second. But that's what happens when you're recording this
podcast and a potentially haunted basement and you start talking
about things that, uh, the creatures that be might not

(36:51):
want you to talk about. But in the email, you said, uh, oh,
you need to get you need to get rid of
the guy in the window. He's messing with everything. Had
you guys talked about the guy in the window at
any point before this?

Speaker 2 (37:10):
No, we actually had never talked about it.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
He just thought that I knew and that he knew,
and it was just kind of like a joint thought
that we both had.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
But I had never mentioned it before.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
And what was what did he mean by the guy
in the window.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
My speculation was that he meant exactly what I see
when I look out the window, is that he could
also see this this person that has been like trauma
struck in my memory. Yeah, but I needed like other
confirmation of that, which came later in the email.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
And yeah, you said this was the first time that
someone else saw something whatever you were seeing kind of
and we've gone through it. You were you had a
lot of fear of looking out the windows? Is the
the I think there's so just to I guess, see
where we're at here. Whenever I think about something creepy,

(38:09):
I'm laying on a couch and then a guy walks
by and like looks in the window at me. That's
that's you know, that's really creepy. But were you experiencing
things like that where you were? You know, you were
in places of the house and you would see something
looking in at you or kind of were you just
you would look out a window and then you would
suddenly see the vision of it and it was fleeting

(38:31):
or how did that work?

Speaker 3 (38:34):
I would definitely say that I felt as if someone
was looking at me. Yeah, and I would I would
look from a distance and be like it's someone out there.
And you know, I wasn't sure if it was me
who was manifesting seeing this face, or if it was
that I was actually seeing something.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
No, I got you.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
It was a really hard thing to try to come
to terms with.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
But it was definitely I would that feeling that I
was being watched, and then I would look outside and
it would be what I would see.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
And you said that the this was the first time
that someone else saw something or saw what you were seeing.
Did you and your brother talk more about what he
saw and how closely did his description match your own?

Speaker 3 (39:23):
He did tell me that what he had seen was
someone like without a face, oh God, And we didn't
really go into much detail after that. I mean I
explained to him like what I had seen initially as
a kid, so he knew about it after the fact.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Okay, now, I guess in that house that were you
dealing with, Like were you dealing with cold spots or
energy changes or anything that kind of comes along with
a super haunted house or super haunted space.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
I would say that I definitely had some spots in
my house that felt specifically questionable, Like it was a
two bedroom apartment, so both of the windows were facing
out the back. I didn't feel as uncomfortable in my
spare room as I did in my own actual bedroom.
And I would definitely say the temperatures were very different,

(40:24):
especially for someone who was blessed enough to have central air. Yeah, okay,
and then a newer building too, so everything was actually
like built properly.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, there was whenever when I was younger, we had
to go to it was like a family. It was
a family friend. It was my dad's best friend's mother
in law. And I don't know how we got roped
into going to this. My dad would would have to
go there and help her with certain things there's like

(40:56):
moving stuff or cutting weeds, but somehow we got roped
into helping her occasionally. And they would always talk about
like my dad and his friend, they would talk about how, yeah,
we'll go over there, but we don't want to go
inside like we were. I'll do I'll do whatever, but
I don't want to go inside. And I kind of

(41:17):
got the vibe like these two grown men were afraid
of something there, like there was something that creeped them out.
And I remember one time we went over there and
I was helping pull weeds and I'm not sure. I
think my dad was doing something with the lawn, but
she's like at the end of it, she's like, come inside.

(41:38):
I want to give you a few dollars or whatever.
And we stepped in this house and it was like
it was like fucking the inside the house was leaky,
but it wasn't leaky. It almost felt like there's water
on the walls. I can't explain it, so swampy point,
it was very moist. It was like a fucking turtle
der arium. But and I remember just like, oh my god,

(42:00):
what is wrong in here? And then I took another
couple of steps in and it just felt like it's strange,
but it felt like there was electricity, almost like pulsating
out of the walls. It almost just felt like there
was like electric fingers reaching out and touching you no
matter where, like how you stood or turned in the house.

(42:21):
And my dad kept like one foot out the door
the entire time. And I remember we got in the
truck and I just said, Dad, it felt really weird
in there, like it was it felt weird in there,
and my dad just said, you have no idea, and
he just wouldn't fucking talk about it anymore. So, Uh,
I need a circle. I need to circle back and

(42:43):
talk to him about that. He'll probably like, you know
now that I'm older and I'm kind of remembering going
in there. But uh, if you've truly truly been in
a space or a house or a room that is haunted,

(43:04):
haunted is unlike a feeling. It's hard to explain. And
I am very much a guarded skeptic, but I've been
in places where you're just like, oh fuck, no, like no,
this is awful. This It just it feels weighted, it
feels different, and it's kind of it's a feeling that's

(43:26):
hard to quantify with words, hard to explain. It sounds
like maybe maybe it's kind of how that space was.
It was just kind of like there's some just some
weight to it and it was hard to be around,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah. Something I actually didn't include in the email was
like a little a little scenario that was also something
that kind of raised my my radar was this apartment
complex that I lived in. I actually lived in it
with my parents before, just in a different number that
was two apartments down, and then moved and then I

(44:00):
moved back there and in my parents' apartment, specifically the
family that lived there before we did. They had a
daughter who had some type of special needs, and they
had the locks on the outside of her bedroom door.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
That's not weird.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
So my lock was on the outside of my door.
And one day I had gone and taken a shower.
I walked back into my bedroom. No windows in the
house open, no like weird suction could be made.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
My door slam closed and.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
It locked, and I could not get out of my
bedroom and no one was home. And I had this area,
since it's up against the mountain, I have no cell service.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
It's probably like I want to say, maybe twenty ten. Yeah,
at most I can't call anyone. I'm stuck in my house.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
And I ended up having to like, go this is
so cheesy because I still had like a flip phone.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I had to go on to my PSP.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
And I went on to AIM and I instant messaged
someone and was like, can you call my parents because
I can't.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Get out of the bedroom.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
I'd like, that's so ridiculous to ever have to say
and do, And then they actually had to come home
and let me out of my room.

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I see under uh on your PSP. I used to
look up porn. I used to look up porn of
my PSP. It was really it wasn't just pictures. I
was really I remember it was time to get rid

(48:11):
of it and I was like, farewell, you were you.
It was a it was a fun ride. But yeah,
that's a man a PSP and you had to.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
That's a factory reset for sure.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Message. Yeah you had to text Big Daddy Balls xxx
zero five and tell him that you were Yeah, that's funny.
So I guess you mentioned that you brought some Well,
talk to me about when you went on vacation, and

(48:47):
you said your brother stayed there at the house and
maybe I'm not sure why he brought a friend over
if the you know how that worked out, but it
kind of gave a little affirmation of what you were
feeling and what you're going through. Take us through that.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah. So I went on vacation to visit another person
that we also call our brother, who just it was
the happenstance of we've all lived together and been in
each other's lives.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
He lives down in Virginia.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
I went to go visit him, and the one who
witnessed everything fall if my refrigerator was the one who
was watching my house and I told him he could
stay over if he wanted to, but he didn't.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
He didn't drive at the time, so it was three
or four days that he was just going to be
sitting there with my house okay, And he was like, Hey, do.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
You mind if our mutual friend comes over so that
you know, I don't have to be here by myself,
and also so that maybe we can go out and
grab a drink or something and come back.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
And I was like, yeah, I don't. It's fine.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
And like this friend I've always known to be very
like pragmatic, very practical.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Ok.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Not really, not really someone I ever would have thought
was in too spiritual stuff. They're very I don't want
to say conservative politically, but like conservative in their thinking
in general, where everything's kind of it's.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Black and white.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
It's this or that, I got you nothing in between,
no questions asked.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Sorry, what was that?

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Pretty much?

Speaker 3 (50:19):
And when he he called me around like ten o'clock
and he.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
This is the mutual friend.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
He called me and was like, what's what's the guy
who's in your house? And I was thinking, like, are
you are you talking about my brother? Like he's supposed
to be there, he's watching my house right, And I
was like, he invited you and you're calling me about him?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Is everything okay? And he was like, no, no, not
your brother.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
The guy in the window and then the doorways, And
I was like you can you can see that?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
So at this point, had you seen him in the
doorways at all? Or was it no but the friend
the shadows? Yeah, but the friend had seen him in
the windows and the doorways.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
It's almost like this thing started like manifest a little
more maybe maybe kind of take on a little more energy.
And I mean a full body apparition is that's like
the Holy Grail. I learned that in Ghostbusters. That's like
the Holy Grail in terms of paranormal hunting. That's you know,
that's essentially the Holy Grail. But he called you and

(51:25):
he's like, hey, who's this fucking guy? And then it
kind of clicked, like, oh my god, he's seeing whatever
that whatever that thing is or whoever that thing is.
Did that click right away or were you just like,
oh my god, it took a little bit.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
It's definitely in some kind of shock.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
And I didn't I didn't really even know how to
reply because in my brain, I'm thinking, I'm the only
one who actually saw originally you know, what happened, other
than these two people who don't even remotely talk about it.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, you know, what what.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Are you talking about? How do you know everything?

Speaker 3 (52:00):
And I'm like, did he tell you about it that
you could describe it to me? And he was like, hey,
he told me something was here, but he didn't tell
me what it looked like.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Sure now, and I'm just a little freaked out.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Now throughout all this the haunting, the seeing the faces
in the window, the stuff flying around, did like this
entire time? Did you think that it was linked to
the guy that you watched, presumably watch die back in
nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Up until they started telling me the things that they
were also seeing in my house, I just thought stuff
was weird.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah, and you didn't, you know, I brush.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
It off, thinking, oh, it's this, it's that any like
logical regular reason I could think about for stuff happening.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I would think about that in stead.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
But he never really connected it to the fellow that
that that died right when you were younger. Okay, now
you mentioned that you brought someone into almost to help
this spirit move on or whatever it was move on.
Can you tell us more about that process. Was it
a medium, a spiritual guy, and a clear voyant? What

(53:13):
do they say? What do they do? Take us through
that process?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
So, I, well, we had like a mutual friend who.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Was into that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Not necessarily like you're officially someone you do this all
the time kind of thing. It was more or less
the risky test of trying to figure out what to do.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
So I had a friend who did a lot of
medium related stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
And they came to my house and they did some
like holy water stuff and some sage. And I don't
understand it because I, like I said, I'm the person
who's everything is just pure logic.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
So I'm just trying not to freak out.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
And you know, literally just said out loud, it's okay,
you can go like you're good, you don't need to.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Be here anymore, You're fine, Okay, you're fine to leave.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
And then after that, I want to say, nothing really happens, and.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
You really think about, like this person crossing over per se,
if it was perhaps the guy that you saw die,
If that guy had nobody else in his life ever,
and you were kind of just like that last right,
that last thing that he saw as he was leaving,

(54:34):
it's safe to assume that there might be some type
of attachment some way.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
That residual connection.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Homever he was was trying to stay with you is
kind of like, this is the last person I'm seeing
before I die. If I just stay with her, I
can just stay alive. Right, And I don't know if
you ever really thought of it that way. It's quite profound,
but I.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Don't think I have. And that kind of kind of
sounds sad about.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
It, because the thing is is I spent years trying
to find news articles about it after I had discussed
it with my friend, because he was able to provide
me with like more details than what I even knew.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Like he was like, his name begins with the letter T,
and he was like giving me descriptions of clothes and
stuff like that. And I'm like, well, I have a letter.
If I can find a news article about a car accident,
you know, this time nineteen ninety nine, maybe I'll maybe
I'll find something. And being that I'm in Pennsylvania now,
it's a little bit harder because I can't.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Access Yeah, that's a stretch to the.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Same archives you would at a library in person. Sure
I haven't found anything about it.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, and that I mean and honestly, back then, a
car accident where someone died an hour after the accident,
that might not make the news, and some instance, most
instances it would, but it's safe to assume that if
you're in a remote enough area of Texas that it
might not even make the news.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Honestly, well, especially because Pasadena is only fifteen minutes south
of Houston.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, without traffic.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
At least so like I imagine, there's there's so much
more that was important at the time than that. And
it's like when you say, oh, you're potentially as the
last person or maybe the only person, yeah, who knew
about them. It would make more sense if there wasn't
really a news article about it.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Sure, now, you at the time you said that your
mutual friend, the spiritual guide or the medium, he was
revealing certain details about whatever it was that they thought.
Was I guess stuck from crossing over. I know you

(56:49):
said that that it maybe their name started with a T.
But was there any other details besides that and the
clothing that you can give us about what your friend
was saying?

Speaker 3 (57:01):
He had said, like I said, he said that his
name again with the tea. He said that it was
a veh vehicular accident, and then he had said that
he was somewhere between the age of thirty to forty.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Did he know the details about what you experienced before
he came in and did that.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
No, I never talked to him about it.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Oh, okay, that's wild man, that's.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
No fun from what I From what I know, when
I talked to my brother about it, he was like, oh, yeah,
that thing, that lives here, Like, he didn't describe anything
that was going on, but my friend was able to
describe the lack of the lack of face, the lack
of chest skin. Yeah, I mean it was there, but
it was, you know, as choppy, like I said, it

(57:45):
was more like a road rash.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah. Did you I guess when your friend came in
and went through that process of kind of cleansing the space,
did you do you feel like you felt anything leave
or was there a noticeable change in the house after that.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
I don't think that it was something that was immediate, okay,
but I think in the coming weeks after that that
it kind of felt like something had changed, because I
know we had discussed how it felt lighter as a description,
as a descriptor word that I can think of, it
was a lighter feeling versus like the heavy depression that

(58:22):
was always in the house. But also I was sleeping better.
I didn't feel so drained all the time.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah, but that could also be because I was.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Able to finally like trick my brain into knowing that
it's fine, We're good.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah, sleep now, it's not.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Here and that's crazy. Like your friend or whoever this
medium was told the entity that it could cross over
and it was maybe there was such a deep connection
to you that once it was able to rest, it
allowed you to rest as wellostentially.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Right, That's that's pretty much what we kind of what
we came to the conclusion of, even though I'm trying
to like fight the idea that it's just okay, this
was a trauma.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
That I need to get over. Finally, I'm an adult.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Sure, now do you? Is this pretty much the only
kind of paranormal books? So we'll say paranormal activity because
you've kind of dealt with throughout your life or is
there been other instances of things or has it mostly
just been what we've discussed.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Uh, in regards to like personal life. That's definitely the
only thing really that I've dealt with other than here
and there I lost I lost my best friend a
couple of years ago, and here and there, I'll.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Get like a heavy with a cigarette smoke.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Okay, and no one in my house smokes, so it's
kind of weird to just get hit with this dense,
like dirty cigarette smell. But my best friend used to smoke,
So I'd like to pretend that that's that's what that is.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Just kind of feel better.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
That's very possible.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
That's like you know, I mean I've gone to haunted place,
haunted like quotation mark places with friends, just living in Pennsylvania,
and you know everything's haunted here. Yeah, And there's definitely
like those moments that you feel kind of eerie and
like I get like goose bumps and I'm like, all right,
I'm a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Little creeped out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Mm hm.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
But it's just it's the unknown. The unknown really just
it freaks me out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I love it when my fucking my butt is just
so tight because I'm so scared that it's just it's puckered. Yeah,
I I love that shit. I love being scared. Usually
I'm it takes a lot to get me scared, but
I I love being scared. I don't like being fucking
like shot at or something like that, but I do, like,

(01:00:45):
you know, just like something's in here, something's out there,
this place is haunted, or just like just stare it
right in the face. We did, uh what was it?
We did that that live show at that Haunted with
Justin Rimmel, and we did like a seance upstairs where

(01:01:05):
I was trying to coax these things, these old presumed
like inmates that had died inside the jail, and I
was like, you know, I was like, you're a coward,
You're a kid toucher. I was just saying all these
awful fucking things, trying to get these things stirred up
and conjured up, and you know, it didn't it didn't work,
and everyone started like I was saying such hateful ship

(01:01:28):
that everyone was laughing. And I think once everyone started laughing,
these ghosts were like, Okay, he's just fucking off. He's
just a he's just a dickhead. He's a yea. Now
and it's been quite a few years since all this
went down, you've been able to you have You've mentioned
that you've been able to start the lookout Windows again, thankfully.

(01:01:50):
Do you do you think that what you experienced was it?
Do you think it was paranormal? Do you think it
was psychological or or some strange mixture of both, which
I guess you're kind of your final your bow on
top of this package, what's your synopsis?

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna go ahead
and skeptically give it kind of both in a way,
because I I feel like in the world there is
still undispersed energy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Oh yeah, I mean, I I've.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Watched a lot of those things about how you know
when you pass away, you're still you know, you still
have a weight aboue, you still have energy inside of
you and it doesn't dissipate. So I'm like, maybe it's
a little bit of energy. I think a lot of
it probably is mostly trauma though.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah, but I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I think anything's possible, but I'm skeptic.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Sure, and it could not be. Yeah, it could just
be something like that kind of hangs around and it
just it can't it can't go anywhere, which is sad
to think that. Like, you know, I'm not I'm not suicidal.
I've never been somebody that's dealt with depression or suicide.

(01:03:02):
But sometimes and I'll think, like, like I don't want
to die ever that kind of scares me. But one
day I'm just gonna like I'm just gonna be all
asleep for good now. I don't have to wake up
ever again. And I'm kind of looking forward to just
like you know, when I'm one hundred and twenty years old,
just like going to sleep and just you know, sleeping

(01:03:25):
in on Sunday and that Sunday lasts for the rest
of the time, if you know, if.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
You get walking into a forest another coming back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Yeah like that. Yeah, No. I everyone kind of fights
their own battles or whatever, and I do struggle with
the thought of death. That scares me more than anything.
And I'm just like, I'm gripping to life. I'm I
implore everyone, just like you know, enjoy life and do

(01:03:54):
things you've always thought about doing. You know, maybe he said, like, oh,
one day, write a book, Write the fucking book, whatever
it is. You know, push yourself to just do it.
Just be here and do the things you want to love.
Because man, you're only here for a short time and
you only get one try at it. So I just

(01:04:16):
tell everyone just do do your shit, do what you
want to do, don't don't let anyone's judgment stop you
from doing that. Just a couple more questions here and
I'll let you get on your merrily way with your
Hopefully the man in the window is not there to
go with you. Hopefully he's someplace else and he's not

(01:04:37):
upset about this interview and you can live peacefully and
look looking back, do you feel like this figure was
in fact tied to the man that you saw in
nineteen ninety nine, or do you think it could have
been some something else?

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Entirely, I think if I had to connect this to anything,
it would definitely be him, because I know that they
say that, you know, certain things can take on the
form of other things that have happened in your life.
But just the timing and the place and the fact
that it went from one state to another, Yeah, and

(01:05:15):
that makes me automatically just connected to that person.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Motherfucker should have got uh, you should have got gas
money from his ass. If he's following you all over
the country like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Well he drove up here, so.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
That's crazy. Oh, if you could go back and talk
to you know, little young Alita, what either in nineteen
ninety nine or during those years of constant fear? Uh,
what advice would you give yourself? What would you say
to nine year old or eight year old leader, however

(01:05:47):
old you were.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
I don't know if I would say anything to my
youthful self, only because I don't think I understood it
enough yeah, to really let it have an effect on me.
But I definitely think I would tell the older version
of myself that it'll eventually work itself out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
And you'll be okay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Yeah, I mean I'm okay now, but yeah, that it'll
it'll work itself out. And the things that scary you,
you don't have to be that scared of it, but
you have to be strong against it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Well, that seems like it seems like good advice for
the younger Alita, and I hope that hope, but whatever
was was kind of popping in and out of your life,
I hope that it's able to move on and rest
peacefully and it doesn't bring any more trouble or harm
or agreed stays away. But this one it hit deep

(01:06:45):
for me. Trauma can follow us all in very very
strange ways. Well, whether it's through memory or through fear,
or maybe just like that that veil that separates this
life from the next. But thanks to our very special
guest Alita, for being brave enough to open up the

(01:07:05):
door again and tell this story. I know that you
mentioned that you haven't really shared this publicly before. I'm
tremendously grateful for that. And as for Alita, you've net
you said you've never been on a podcast. Is that correct? Well,
I will tell you one thing. There's been a couple
of times where we get somebody lined up for the

(01:07:27):
Dark Vault here on Brohio and we interview. We get
them up, we're like call him and they're like hello,
and we're like, hey, we're excited to do this interview
with you, and they're like, well, all right, don I'm
just like, oh my god, I can't put this shit
on my podcast. This is fuck. This fucker's got a
loaded diaper and probably puffy nipples and all that stuff.

(01:07:52):
So I just want to say thank you, Alita. You're
a very articulate person. You're You've got a very sweet,
down to earth personality. I'm grateful to have you on
the show, and I'm even I'm proud to call you
a listener and I'm proud to call you a friend.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
You're so welcome. And you're having a you're having a
really big week. You're on our podcast. You said you
got interviewed by the news earlier. So maybe just slow
down and uh, enjoy the fame. Think of us, think
of all the people that you left behind when you
become famous here in the next week or two, and

(01:08:30):
I don't I just you know, don't forget about us
here at Brohio. Okay, hi want well, so thanks again
Alita for coming on the Brohio Dark Vault. I'm sorry
Rob is not here. He's on a golf trip with
several other males that will be staying together in a
hotel together Tonight's so Robert deemed that was more important

(01:08:52):
than being here with us, Alita, and being here more
importantly being here with me to fulfill his obligations of
making this podcast. But what can I say? I couldn't
have picked a better guy to do this with. But
thanks everyone for tuning in. I'm gonna stop recording, but
I am gonna stay on the line with you for

(01:09:13):
a few more minutes to lead If that's okay, That.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Was good, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
I want to see your dask

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
Passsssssssssssssssss.