Mary Winkler: Murdered By The Preacher's Wife

When preacher’s wife Mary Winkler finally snapped, she didn’t just leave her husband—she put a shotgun to his back and pulled the trigger. What followed was a bizarre, twisted story of control, lies, manipulation, and one of the most infamous “good Christian wife gone bad” cases in true crime history. We’ll take you through the messy marriage, the scandalous trial, and the jaw-dropping excuses that made national headlines. This is one of those stories that has everything: religion, betrayal, a murder weapon under the bed, and a courtroom drama that’ll have you screaming at the walls. Buckle up—it’s a wild ride.

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
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(00:38):
to sit down to pee.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I don't remember if it was a cartoon or something
that I watched and it was it made the perfect
analogy for that or not that analogy, but just like
he was like, I like to sit down in the toilet.
I'll sit down on a toilet when I'm peeing backwards,
so I have a place to put my little snacks.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
That's functional.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'm like, dude, that's that's such a good idea. You
have a fucking shark coochy board just chilling on the
back of the toilet while you're.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
The day I was today, I was grazing like cattle,
and I was in the back of the cabinet. There
was some oatmeal cream pies that are inspired by a
day that the box hasn't been opened. So I'm like,
I'm taking these down.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I put one in my back
pocket like a bill fold, like.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
A fucking twenty dollars bill Oh my god, and I said,
I put in my back pocket. I forgot about it,
and I went to the bathroom and I had a
poop and I sat down. I heard crinkles, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Like, what is that?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
And I've looked down. I was like, oh, I got
an oatmeal cream pie in my back pocket. So I
opened it up and I ate it while I was
on the toilet.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Was a bathroom that's so fucking good, delicious. Oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
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Speaker 3 (04:47):
I'm freaking out, freaking out.

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I was up all night.

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the Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
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Speaker 1 (05:22):
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vinyl setup, the speakers.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
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do turntables too. Do you like some rap music and
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(05:57):
I'm drinking again. Guys had a boy a man to Engleman.
I don't know anything about her, so what I'm about
to say I'm making up, okay.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Or maybe you're not.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
She was hooked on math and most amandas have been.
She was pawning catalytic converters.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
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Speaker 1 (06:19):
She was trying and they were screaming like you can't
fucking pawing these. He cut off a car and I
was there looking for deals, and I said, hey, come
with me, we'll get you clean. And we cleaned her up,
and uh, we got those catalytic converters out of her car.

(06:39):
You ever have like this, really, like you see like
a homeless drug addict on the side of the street
who's just like moderately not even attractive, but just looks
like they could clean up. Well, you ever have like
dreams of like cleaning that woman up and just taking
her home and giving her a good life.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I've seen, dude, I've seen quite a few fucking bangers
on Dayton mug shots here lately.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Good ones yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Dude, And I'm like, you know what, Okay, maybe just
maybe I have no.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
There's there's no hope for the world. So when I
see a homeless person, like homeless people come up to
me and ask for money, I'm like, fuck you. I'm
really mean about it. Man.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
They're like, hey, I just got kicked off the bus
and I don't have any gas. I'm like, oh, why
would you need.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Gas if you're driving the bus you dip ship. And
I'm just like I'm the grumpy Guy's like, get.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
A fucking job.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, they fucking make they can make a bank, dude.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
There's the one guy from maxim or something that he
did like panhandling. He did a year in Seattle. He
made like fifty thousand.

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Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, money Aman to thank you, And I did not
mean any of those catalytic cover stories I said about you.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
We're glad you put that life behind you and then
we could lead you to the right path.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
This artle comes to us from La kt LA. It's
either La or Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
A sixty year old man wound up in the hospital
after seeking dietary advice from chat GPT and accidentally a
poisoning himself.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Oh what a fucking idiot.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I asked chat GPT for a chicken parmesan recipe the
other day. Yeah, and he tuned it right up for me.
He tuned the band up right in the middle of Kroger.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'll tell you what I went. I think we did. Yeah,
we did a whole dinner plan one week.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, dude, it's legit and it's nice. So you tell
it like I got eight bucks and it's like I'm
making meal, playing for eight dollars, guys eating cockroach legs one.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Night, but looking up, dude, dude, Yeah, it's like each
kid gets a fork, not even a spoonful of forkspoony yogurt,
you guys, You guys just eat off, like each person has.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Their own porch to the fork your meals prepared. According
to the report published last week in the Anals of
Internal Medicine Jesus Annals, the man wanted to eliminate salt
from his diet nashchat GPT for replacement the AI platform
and recommended sodium bromide. I think that was one of

(09:16):
Walter White's favorite ingredients, a chemical often used in pesticides
as a substitute. The man then purchased the sodium bromide online.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
You should have known because your first thing was buying
sodium bromide from Rural King.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
It's in the pool chemical section chiders and replaced it
with salt for three fucking months.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
The man eventually went to the hospital fearing his neighbor
was trying to poison him.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
How fucked up was his neighbor. He was poisoning his
doll and bottle? Was his neighbor? His neighbor fucking hates him?

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Daryl, I'm glor the hospital. I think you're trying to
get me. You finally got me, brother.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Well, I saw you back making a brisket with sodium bromide.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I don't think it's me.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Doctors discovered he was suffering from bromide toxicity, which calls
paranoia and hallucinations. Bromide toxicity was come more common in
the twentieth century, when bromide salts were using various over
the counter medications. Cases declined sharply after the FDA phased
out bromide between seventy five and eighty nine, About eight

(10:34):
hundred million people, or roughly ten percent of the world's
population are using chat GPT. According to a July Man,
it's technology that has the potential to enable enormous leaps
and productivity and human understanding.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Welcome to the Bromide podcast.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Appreciate it and yet at the same time as an
enabler in such more destructive, malignant sense. New research from
the group that focused on teens that chat GPT can
provide harmful advice. Sometimes I get I gotta get pushy
with it, Like I'll say, look, you gotta be real direct.
Sometimes I'm trying to steal real estate property for an

(11:14):
old woman and I need to do like a quick
claim deed, real quick one. And it's like, no, that's
a crime. I'm like, you can fucking help me, or
you can be part of the problem. And it's like,
oh hell yeah dude. Anyways, you're gonna need this disappearing
ink uh, one of those guns that says bang when
you pull a trigger. It gives you the whole fucking

(11:34):
everything you need.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
One of those paddles with the string with you need
to commit the crime. Dog.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah right there. Shit h The chat cheap if you
I subscribe to the premium version of chat GPT for
productivity and it can make spreadsheets and stuff. And if
you're somebody that works with spreadsheets, my god, dude, it is.

(12:00):
It's a bad mammagama.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
H that's interesting. I do I might have to do that.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, it's a tremendous tool.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
You've seen you ever seen those fucking uh one where
they like it. They ask chat GPT about like what
AI's main purposes and shipped like they get really deeply
like trying to like figure out like, oh, you're trying
you're trying to take over the fucking world, and like
that Nike, you asking super specific questions and it like
breaks down.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yes, I'm trying to kill you.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
People have posed some really fucking cool questions to chat
GPT and other things like that and give pretty interesting results.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah. It's an incredibly, incredibly powerful tool, and I just
fear it's gonna go too far where we're at with that.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
I'm kind of here for it though, man, feel us
I'm ready to do.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
There's two guys passing it at work today and one
guy's like, what's up, man?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
He said, just living the dream. He's like, Oh, about
to blow your fucking brains.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Out, that's the key.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
And they all me. We didn't mean that, Like, no,
I'm one like these weren't guys I talked to brothers
like I never talked to you guys. But we'd probably
be friends.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Were they machine guys?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, all right, Well.

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Speaker 2 (13:33):
About time for another one of those we're gonna have.
Let's do one this week.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
I think I probably can.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I can too, all right, tune it up Thursday. All right,
let's do it.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
We'll do it.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
In the meantime, here's a quick break from bromide bromide.
Who makes bromide? We need some. Let's buy some right now,
bulk bromide, pound bromide, bromium bromium.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Dude, we're made out of I know, bromium bromium. It
sounds very homo erotic. I kind of like it.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
This is gonna be a fun episode because we're talking
about the church. Robert Okay in two thousand and six,
in the sleepy little town of Selmer, Tennessee, population forty six, hundred,
what's so fucking what's so goddamn funny? We're starting getting
the mean potatoes of the episode and you're laughing. What's

(14:33):
we have?

Speaker 5 (14:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:33):
You have funny yet.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Because of the fucking the episode on YouTube says the
Mary Winkler murder, right yeah. And one of the very
first comments we got, which I kind of turtled to
myself about, but they only find it. I gotta give
his personal shallock, who was actually is pretty clever and
it made me laugh. It says it's very anti climactic

(14:56):
because I can't fucking find it.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
That's fine. We're used to they're used to us being slow.
Kind of works itself out.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Someone said, I don't remember who it was, but somebody
said something about this episode being about the fawns Winkler.
So it's about the fawns.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Right, yeah, man, it's about the coach from Waterboy.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
There. It is Tom Duffy, Thank you, Tom, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
And the sleepy town of Selmer, Tennessee. Around forty six
hundred people there. They had churches on every corner. Just
Middle America. Man, everybody knows your business before you even
know it yourself. One of those places that you, and
I would just hate to fucking.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Live now, man, I hate to live anyways.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, pretty much kind of a drag anyways, brother Selmer's. Uh,
they had that small town charm, you know, the kind
where folks they wave as strangers. Sometimes the biggest scandal
in town is maybe who forgot to bring castroleda though
the church potluck.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Speaking of pot luck, we could just got a in
our chat here. Abby's wanted us let wanted to let
us know that her cookies and cream cookies are ready.
Kitchen smells amazing. Join us on Patreon to come in
our zoom not come into it, but no, you can come.
You can join, but you can come if you want,
I mean, when there's no rules. But I'm gonna say
this with all due respect. With the zoom chats, we

(16:23):
get people from all over the world, all over the country,
all over the universe. Tonight in the zoom chat, we
had a man in.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
A full suit of armor. Yep, he did not speak.
We had two transsexuals, transgenders, transgenders that look magnificent. Both
of them looked very delicious.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
A couple of gays.

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us her new baby as she always does. We had
new listeners that have never been there. We had listeners
that have been there with us, like Rambo Stanley. People
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(17:08):
there's a clash of all these people. Everyone gets together. Jesse. Yeah,
my good buddy Cody. You know, I met Cody through
the podcast and he tailgates with me every weekend. Takes
good care of me.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Jesse takes breaks from doing drugs and sometimes he does
drugs on the zoom.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Sometimes he doesn't like talking to us because we get
in the way of his drugs. Hop on there.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
It's it's a fucking blast, guys.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Go hang out with everybody from the from this fucking community,
from the land of Brohio. It's great. It's the buck.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
But on March twenty second, two thousand and six, this
quiet little town of Selmer's, it was gonna get rocked
by something like their glue tastes really good.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
My favorite flavorite gluemers. I thought it was burger because
there was a cow on the front. Why it was glue.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Why when we were a kid, did they make the
fucking glue smell like peppermint. It didn't smell like yeah,
you don't remember it was it was it had the
lid and there was a stick attached to the lid,
and it was like, maybe it was paste, that's all
the same thing, but it smelled like peppermint.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
This was Florida glue. That's different than what we had. Wait,
maybe you guys are probably using fucking home bruise.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I remember that shit smelled like peppermint.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Anyone in the listening that tasted great home bruised their
own glue send us an email. Brohio podcast at gmail dot.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Com made for real horses.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Horse.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I'm googling this. I know this was the thing.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
The family we're talking about is the Winklers. They were
living embodiment of godly family values. To the church, they
were pillars of respectability. But to the small town of Selmers,
the Winklers were the people you would point to when
you said that is a good Christian family right there.
The mother and father of the Winkler family was Matthew

(19:04):
and Mary Winkler. They're like the Ken and Barbie of
Selmer's Fourth Street Church of God.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Told school safe paste.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
We were so fucking stupid.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Peppermint.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, dude, I swear to God, this tastes great. This
little popsicle stick thing in the middle went all the
way through the lid, and you stirred it up with
it and you'd get a big fucking glob out and
you could fit it all in your mouth.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
It tasted great, tastes great, let's filling. Oh man. The Winklers,
Matt and Mary, they are Yeah, they're like a small
town Ken Barbie. They belonged to. He was the preacher
for Selmer's Fourth Street Church of Christ, a two hundred
and fifty member congregation where Matthew or Is the congregation

(19:53):
called him wink He was the beloved pulpit minister. Matthew,
who was thirty one years old, was a former high
school football star from Decatur, Alabama or Decatur Decatur, Decatur, Alabama.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I ain't got no geiters and the katters? What is pulpit?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
That always like it sounds dirty to me?

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, that's this. That's this smegma from an orange.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Pulp.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Do I love pulpy orange juice?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I want to choke when I drink my orange I
feel like I'm in a fucking gay dungeon, Porno whenever
I'm drinking my orange juice.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
This is great, all you.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I fucking love like more pulp. Oh dude, that's what's up.
That's the nectar of the gods right there.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Man, You go to McDonald's on a like Sunday morning
at eight forty five, are.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Like, give me that chunky shit on the bottom.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Give me the chunk.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Okay, I want my orange juice served like gravy and biscuits.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Oh dude, speaking of a delicious shit, biscuits and gravy.
Fuck me up, dude, got a love breakfast.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Matthew, who was from the Caterer, Alabama, with a preacher's degree.
His dad and granddad were both Church of Christ ministers.
He was a very charismatic, handsome gentleman, the kind of
guy who would quote Bible scripture and probably could deadlift
a pew and throw it out of the fucking church
if he needed to. He wasn't just a preacher, though,

(21:27):
He was the son of one of the most respected
ministers in Tennessee. His father, Dan Winkler, was a well
known church of Christ's leader, practically royalty in their tight
knit denomination. That put Matthew on a pedestal from the
moment he was born. He was destined to do to
perform service for the church. He grew up in the

(21:49):
church spotlight, and by the time he became a pastor himself,
he carried the weight of his father's legacy, which I
know can be difficult. People coming to me like, hey,
I need you to fix my and I would be like, hey,
I'm the dumb one. I don't fix cars. That's my
dad and my brothers. I can't fix a car.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Hey man, I blew a training. Oh yeah, me too.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
You wouldn't believe what I did last night.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, man, blew a training. I'm gonna call my dad
and ask him, like you before.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
That's probably not socially acceptable.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
And he's like, yeah, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Hang up on him. Now. His wife, Mary, she was
his college sweetheart from Freed Hardman University, a Church of
Christ school in Henderson, Tennessee. She was a petite, soft
spoken kindergarten teacher with a shy smile and a knack
for blending, just blending into the background. He sounds great,

(22:50):
She sounds like a ball character. Mary Winkler was the
opposite of her husband's charisma. She was shy, reserved, most
invisible at social settings, just.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
Like damn, how all women should be. That's how they
should be in the back and look pretty. Shut the
fuck up, Let the men talk. D you mean Naylor
and Art Industries?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
The fuck? How did you have that loaded up so quick?
That was fucking fast? Dude? How long have you been
holding onto that waiting to use it?

Speaker 1 (23:32):
My brain is like a trailer park that's exploded in
any fucking given moment. I don't know what's coming out
of my mouth. Oh ship, d I said, I thought
d I, And I was like, I would make a
day learn hard joke here, and then I was like,
I think that's a thing.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I think it is.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh yeah, well then it is.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
D Ye mean Art Industries.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Maybe I'm thinking of de a dude if I either way, Tuck,
that's pretty fucking cool. You got a dlearn heart joke
locked and loaded.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I'm gonna go up and apologize to my wife after
this episode. I didn't even know what I said, but
I'll still apologize. She'd be like, I don't fucking care anyways, brother,
here's wonder wol Yeah. She was shy, quite reserved. She
was invisible in social settings, but people described her as sweet,

(24:28):
polite and nervous to make waves. They've been married since
nineteen ninety six, and you know, Robert and I were
in the fourth grade ninety six. That's a very pivotal
time in my life. They had three adorable daughters, Patricia
was eight, Mary Alice six, and Brianna, who was one.
And they lived They lived in the church parsonage. Were

(24:49):
you saying, oh yeah to the da learn heart joke
still or was that over the yeh, all right, hell yeah, brother.
They lived in the church parsonage, which is a It.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Was a her in a pear tree, living in a
par tree.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
This is a It was a cozy house about a
mile from the church of the parsonages where it's like
the church owned home. It's where the that's where the
pastor lives. I went to a church like that, and
uh schurch. The house was on the property and that's
where the pastor and his wife lived. Yeah. On the outside,

(25:25):
they were the picture of just perfect Southern fried perfection, godly, wholesome,
probably making cast roles for all the sick people in town.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
She was born.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Mary was born Mississip and raised in a conservative Christian family.
She married Matthew like we said, and uh, she fell
right into the role of pastor's wife that if you
want to call that a role. She would church, she
would cook for the church gatherings, play the dautiful homemaker.
She wear the homemaker hat, and she would smile on

(26:00):
ce just like she was supposed to, just like God
and her husband wanted her to. Ye know, those perfect,
perfect couples on social media all day. I got the
matching outfits. They use the hashtag blessed.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
You know, they secretly fucking hate each other.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
The secretly he's sucking Dick's through a hole at the
fucking flea market.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
And she's sucking his brother.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
She's getting her butt cheeks spread by the past exterminator.
I don't know whoever, what's in there. You got a
raccoon in the attic, and you call pest control and
they come and get the the pest out and they
fuck your wife. But then you don't feel bad because

(26:48):
you're you're doing gay stuff for the gas station. Yeah,
I someone close to me was very so. I've been
in two different churches. We went to a few different
churches when I was younger. Two different churches, two different scandals.

(27:09):
Both times the lead pastor was getting men in the congregation.
Who sucks penis a good old fashioned.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Bro job, which is funny because they believe that being
gazed immortal sin.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
And God said you will cup the balls, you will swallow.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's all a facade, man, It's all facade. And it's
the same thing like we're just talking about with the
Facebook stuff. There's one person that comes to mind that
we both know that just creates this.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's just fake facade on Veneer.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
It's so synthetic, it's not real. And they're like, oh,
this is great.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
I love, we're in love. We make we kiss with
our tongues when we're in love. Oh, we're kissing. We're
in love.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
And she's fucking everybody. He is an alcoholic. Okay, this
is no. These aren't people that you know. I just
I don't fucking get it. Dude.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Let me ask you a question, in all seriousness.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
I want to I want to make a shared Facebook
page in my wife.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
You'll be making posts like that. It's inevitable. What do
you think about Wonderwall.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
So may I like it?

Speaker 2 (28:45):
I think, dude, it's a fucking great song song. It's
like one of the forbidden, like taboo songs. We were
talking about Nickelback at work today. Really, my buddy's like,
why does everybody hate Nickelback.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
I'm like, well, the first half of their name is
racist for starters.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
It's fast.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
So here's here's my here's why I hate Nickelback and
and and and I don't. I don't hate him. Let
me just say I'm completely indifferent about him. Here's my
bone to pick with them is, for some reason, he's
not a crazy attractive dude, but a lot of his
lyrics are about fucking, and it's really like obvious that

(29:24):
he's talking about fucking. It's corny. I don't think they're bad.
I think they're I think his lyrics are extremely corny.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Dude, he's getting I.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Mean he fucked Avril, so I mean he was getting No. No,
that's cool, that's cool. I don't mind that. But it's
like the same thing with like fucking like Buck Cherry,
Like I don't want to hear I don't want to
hear about I won't take you seriously if you're singing
about slaying poon is there?

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I honestly thought like buck Cherry was like an AI band.
I didn't think there's like, are there real people in
buck Cherry?

Speaker 3 (29:57):
They're real?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
They're real people, man.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Are they? I've never seen what they look like.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
The fucking the singer looks like he wants to be
fucking Scott Wiland. He wants to be Scott Wiland so bad,
but he's just not. What other what other quintessential like?

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Taboo songs? Do you like that? You shouldn't Creed?

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Well?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I mean but I feel like nobody really shits on
Creed too much. I'm talking about like fucking like Sweet
Home Alabama, like the fucking so I likener typical cover band,
fucking taboo songs. Fuel Okay, yeah, I fuck with that.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Fuel had a lot of bangers when We're Wonderwall is
so fucking good, though, man, Champagne super Nova, Oh I
love I like Handlebox.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Candlebox is pretty fucking good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
You know what band I really want? I just figure
out that I've got. I've got a deep passion for
this band is Blues Traveler. Fucking John Popper, Dude, I've
got a deep than he's gonna be around here soon
for three one telling me about how I always picked
him up at the airport.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Me and him are chatting at one am, that poor
guy way, and he's like, nah, some of the gates
can get me a ride here.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
I almost was in the band.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I think, Yeah, that dude is so fucking talented.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
He is, but he's weird. He's really weird.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
If you played the harmonica for a living, you're weird.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
I bet his bulls dake.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Have you ever seen him? Dude played the fucking theme
song to Rose Enn. He's anouse tool?

Speaker 5 (31:29):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
They all talk music all fucking day?

Speaker 3 (31:35):
I should I love?

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Should I hate? I don't care love it?

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (31:44):
March twenty second, two thousand and six. It started like
any other Wednesday and Selim Or Tennessee. The sun was up,
the birds are chirping, you got a little dew on
the grass, you got some cum in your undies from
the night before, and Mary Winkler was probably making coffee
and the parson kitchen while their kids got ready for school.
Matthew was supposed.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
To be leading the evening.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Service at Fourth Street Church of Christ because it was
Wednesday and Wednesday service that's like their time to let
their hair down. Hell, yeah, you got you gotta. When
you got a Sunday service, you got men their suits,
women their their dresses. You go to you got a
Wednesday service, you might find a woman in a pair
of tennis shoes, which is not heavenly. That's forbidden. On

(32:28):
a Wednesday night service, they do ship like that.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I worked with a guy the other day who and
I do physical work, and I actually had to go
out in the field and actually do physical work. And
there's a guy from another company who shipped up to
this physical job wearing fucking crocs and socks due and shorts.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
So what, I'm so fucking what. Brother?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Have you seen the new Ghostbuster crocks that came out.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
No, that's pretty cool. I might get those cool. That's
fucking sweet.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
But that night, Matthew did not show up for church.
And this was not like wink Man. He was always
on time. He was the kind of guy he was
so punctional, devoted. He was the kind of preacher who'd
show up early just to vacuum the sanctuary. He was
never ever late, never ever absent. And this immediately sent

(33:24):
shock waves to the congregation. They said, WHOA, something is
not right. Something's going on Matthew. The They were so
concerned that a few church members decided to swing by
the parsonage at one one seven to four Mollie Drive
to check on him. When the congregation arrived at his house,

(33:45):
Matthew Winkler was found lying on the bedroom floor, face down,
covered in blood. He had been sadly shot in the
back with a twelve gage shotgun, the kind you'd used
a hunt deer and queers.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Not uh, thinking nut and queers. Come see us in Texas.
See us in Texas October eleventh.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
He this is not the type you don't. You don't
settle a domestic dispute with a twelve gage unless you
really want to fucking end it.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, that's you want people in pieces.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
And the shotgun blast was brutal. Seventy seven bird shot
pellets tore through his ribs, lungs, and spine. The corner
later said he aspirated blood, meaning he was still breathing
for quite some time, probably several several agonizing minutes after
the shot actually took place.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Bird shots. No fucking joke, dude, No.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
I've been shot and then I've been shot. I've been
shot before.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, tell us about it.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I don't like to talk about it. The time in
my life when I was doing some bad stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
You were in some crazy shit, yeah, like bird hunting,
bird hunting, Yeah, yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
What I think honestly, if I wanted to get shot,
i'd be a bird shot, I would assume. So get
deer sluggled, ripped your torso in half, you're dead. Buck shot,
we'll fuck you up. Bird shot at close distance will
kill you, for sure. Matt Winkler can tell you the
story about that, right right, But bird shot from a distance.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
You're gonna get some here and there.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
But this one was not at a distance. This is
a point blank shotgun blast to the back for a
twelve gage. But the weird part of this, Mary and
the three girls were nowhere to be found. The family's
gray minivan was gone. In fact, the phone had been
ripped from the wall, and the house was eerily quiet.

(35:43):
The church members called the cops, and soon an amber
alert was blaring across Tennessee. Why because it was thought
that Mary and the kids had in fact been kidnapped.
The husband, who looked like a robbery. Was this a
home invasion gone wrong? Or was it something quite a
bit darker at play here? Now the town selmer information

(36:08):
something like this. It trapped. The moment it happens, it's
like you might as well, you might as well just
blurre it on a loud speaker for everybody on every
corner of the of the small town. The city was
immediately buzzing with gossip and the national media. They descended
like vultures on a fresh carcass almost immediately after this
story kind of kicked off. Now we fast forward twenty

(36:30):
four hours and we're four hundred miles away in Orange Beach, Alabama.
Trust Orange Beach, Alabama, the sunny beach where you know
you've maybe going a little vacation spring break. Action SIPs
some margaritas on the beach and has watched the world
go by.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Orange Beach, Alabama.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
They gets down there in Gulf Shores.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
But it sounds like a nice place in Alabama. Yeah,
which I feel like there's probably not a lot of
mostly mostly the people in Alabama fuck their sisters, if
you get if you pick up when I'm putting down, No,
that's exactly what I was thinking of. I'm like, well,
sounds like a place where there's like sixteen teeth in

(37:11):
the entire area. But looking at it, you know what,
that's Yeah, that's beautiful. It looks a lot like uh,
Pensacola does in Florida. That's really fucking pretty.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
We should go there. They have to a live show.
Two hundred and twenty four dollars from Dayton.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Why there.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
It's like a sore Peter. You can't beat it exactly.
So fast forward twenty four hours. Orange Beach, Alabama. Local
cops spot a gray minivan matching the Winkler's description, and
they're not taking any chances. They pull over the van.
They roll up, guns drawn, shouting at the driver to

(37:49):
get out and walk behind, because they're presuming that whomever
abducted the family is probably operating the van. Whomever shot
and killed Matt Winkler and ripped the phone off the wall,
probably the person that's coming to hear this vehicle, and
uh who steps out none other than Mary Winkler, a

(38:09):
man cool as a cucumber with her three little girls
in the back seat. No tears, no panic, just a
blank stare that gave the cops the chills. Officer Jason
Whitlock later said she did not even ask why she
was being stopped inside the minivan. They immediately find a
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that was enough evidence to take Mary into custody and
the girls are whisked away to safety. During questioning, Mary
was not exactly spilling her guts, seeing how she'd already
did that to her husband.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
She subdued bird shot. Damn dude, she.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Was almost a robotic.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
The kind of said she was robotic, telling Alabama State
Bureau of Investigation Corporal Stan Stabler she wanted quote one
last happy day with their daughters before bad days came.
When pressed about what happened to her husband, Matthew, she
admitted she was holding the gun, but swear she did
not pull the trigger, or at least she doesn't remember
pulling the trigger. She said, I love him dearly, but gosh,

(40:46):
he could just nail me in the ground.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Does that mean there's some sex in you, Windo?

Speaker 1 (40:53):
No, Okay, I did watch. So there's a really detailed
Oprah interview with Mary Winkler, And if you guys hop
on YouTube, just look up Mary Winkler Oprah And it's
a full hour damn interview.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
But this had to have been right whenever it was happening,
like after all of it happened.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah, And if I had, like, if I had to,
if I had to say, like Mary, how Mary would
say that? This is probably how she said that. She
probably said I love him dearly, but but gosh, gosh,
he could he could just nail me in the ground.
She was very subdued, very just like unsure of herself.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, he said she was super shy, so very.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Shy and reading between the lines here, he could just
nail me into the ground like he was really tough
on her. Yeah, yeah, that's what. Uh, that's how this
can be interpreted. Sure, she hints at trouble in her marriage,
saying her ugly came out and that she thought about
killing him before you know. Back in Selmer, the news

(41:57):
spread faster than wildfire and a dry hornfield. The preacher
was dead, his wife is a suspect, and the whole
town's whispering about what really happened. The media, CNN, MSNBC,
Nancy Grace, they're all screaming about the preacher's wife who snapped.
Mary was extradited back to Tennessee and she was charged
with first degree murder and locked up in the McNairy

(42:19):
County Jail. Her bond was set at a whopping seven
hundred and fifty thousand dollars dam, which her lawyer, Steve Ferice,
calls tantamount to no bond at all. But here's where
it gets wild. Mary's defense team, which was Steve Ferice,
Leslie Ballin, and a whole crew of legal hot shots.

(42:40):
They took her case pro bono because Ferese had a
cousin who was tight with Mary's family and they were
ready to fight for her like it was their own sister. Nice.
This is some backwoods deep South. Yeah, le no, one
don't bring bond.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
God damn industries, God damned shit.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
So the investigation that got deeper and deeper, the cops
started placing together or started piecing together emotive. They find
out Mary was caught up. Oh man, Mary Mary quite contrary,
How wet are your panties? O?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
God, don't say that.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
They find out that Mary was caught up in a
Nigerian scam, one of those sketchy email ones, you know,
where the Nigerian prince prince promising promise you millions of
dollars if you just send a little cash first.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
That's it. That has always been like the weirdest thing
thing to me. Yeah, that people actually fell for that.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
People fell for that, and the reason that's why you
kept on getting those keep on seeing those emails.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Do you remember, do you remember the big one that happened?
Like this is like the first one that I like
really remember because I remember people trying to do it
to me all the time, and it was anytime I
would put something for sale on like Craigslist, they'd be like,
I put it for like a fucking a piece of
gym equipment on the marketplace for like two hundred bucks,
and they'd be like, Oh, here's what I'm gonna do.
Almost send you a check for five hundred dollars, and

(44:11):
what I want, Yeah, I want you to do. I
want you to just just cash that, send me it
and you can keep the extra.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Craigslist making up made us stronger, man, dude.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, I remember that specific because every time I would
always sell something in the first one that came across,
and it was like a couple of minutes after I
had post it, they would just be looking for people
to just cash these fucking fraudulent checks and well bounce
them and go to jail for them.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Mary had deposited fake checks from this Nigerian prince to
the tune of over seventeen thousand dollars, thinking that she
had in fact hit the jackpot, only to get hit
with overdraft fees when the bank realized that checks were bogus.
She owed more than sixteen thousand dollars God, and she'd
been kiting checks, floating them and writing bad ones to

(44:55):
cover other bad ones. The prosecution says, this money met
this was the spark that lit the fuse. But Mary's
team is hinting at something way darker. They were whispering
about abuse control and a marriage that was anything but holy.
On the surface, the Mary and Matthew were a golden

(45:18):
couple of the Church of Christ, a conservative denomination. Were
divorce it was a sin and women are expected to
be submissive. But Mary's family and her friends they started
paying a different picture. Oh I'm sorry, we gotta stop
for a second. My daughter has crunch raps.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Oh shit, we'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
All right, we're back. My wife brought crunch raps, homemade
crunch raps, crunch wrap supremes. That was really good. Yeah,
the kids love those. Those are their favorites. I can
see why they've been talking about them all week.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, that was really good. My son's been want lasagna,
so we had to get stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Fucking levels on.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
You love it?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Okay? Yeah, So on the surface they're kind of the
golden couple. You know, she was submissive like they thought
she should be. Mary's family, though, and her friends, they
started paying a different picture. Her sister, Tabitha Freeman says
she never heard Mary laugh after she got married. Her

(46:26):
other sister, Amanda Miller, and her dad Clark Freeman claim
they saw bruises on Mary, but when they asked, she
brush it off or avoid them altogether. Clark even confronted
her once, saying, Mary, Carol, you're coming off as a
very abused woman, but she insisted everything was fine yet.
Uh but no, that was not That was not the

(46:48):
case Mary was. She was in fact likely being abused,
which was never actually confirmed, and she would oftentimes have bruises.
Black eyes, not black guys. Black eyes. Yeah, I think
the Bengals just throw an interception.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Something happening.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
A goal line stop. Oh no, they still got the ball. Okay,
hell yeah. There's even a college kid named Jonathan Allen,
who knew Matthew from his youth minister days, admitted he'd
heard Matthew yell at Mary like it was just another Tuesday.
The juiciest part, Mary's defense team started dropping hints about
Matthew's controlling behavior. They say he berated her for everything,

(47:33):
how she walked, how she ate, even how she breathed.
He allegedly told her sisters that Mary quote wasn't their
sister anymore, and he cut her off from her own family,
her own flesh and blood. She wouldn't allow to He
wouldn't allow her to talk to them any longer. And
then there's the financial control. Mary says that Matthew made

(47:57):
her handle all of the bank deposits, with draws and transfers,
even the shady ones tied to the Nigerian scam. So
what seems like is he was in fact involved in
the Nigerian prince scam, but she was. He was forcing
her to make these transactions, He was forcing her to

(48:20):
go to the bank, make these deposits, making all the
pretty much like forcing her to break the laws what
it sounds like. By April ninth, two thousand and seven,
the courthouse in Selmer was in absolute circus. There were
media vans parked outside bumper to bumper the town of

(48:40):
forty six hundred residents. They were split. Some thought that
Mary was a cold blooded killer, while the others thought
she was a victim of domestic violence that had essentially
been pushed to the edge. But the defense they struck
gold here because when the jury the jury was finally

(49:00):
that had ten women and two men. Oh so, if
you're trying to convince a pool of people that a
battered woman should be let off the hook for killing
her husband. You want ten women seated?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
You stack women?

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Backing buddy, Yeah, and good for them for being smart,
very smart. Um. The prosecution led by Mike Dunavant and
Walt Freeland Freeland, they were gunning for first degree murder.
They painted Mary as a scheming wife who killed Matthew
to cover up her financial fuck ups. They say that
she planned it, she grabbed the shotgun and blasted him

(49:42):
in the back while he slept, and then fled with
the kids to dodge the consequences. But they kind of
had a point. She in fact did kill him. She
yanked the phone out of the wall, and then she
drove four She drove four hundred miles with a shotgun
in the trunk.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
If they, uh, you know, hard to say, you're innocently.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
If I don't know, what would have served her better,
If she would have just you know, did it then
call the cops. I really, I really don't know. But
she made herself look very guilty. The fact that she
performed the murder pretty crazy. You ain't the phone out
of the wall, so even if he did want help,
he couldn't call for help, and then proceeded to take

(50:27):
the kids and run four hundred miles.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Drove four hundred miles to the shotgun in the trunk.
You know what sounds pretty similar to that when we
drive a thousand miles to Texas with Girth Brooks in
the trunk. I can't wait for.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Our live show.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
At the Satellite Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Are we riding together?

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I don't know? Okay, to be determined, we do, we do,
we don't, we don't want to care. We gotta figure
out exactly how long we're saying. I know we're going Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
I think we're leaving on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah, we're not staying that one.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yes, so probably not.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Okay, you got gonna fly again. Trying Mary's defense led
the Dynamic Dute, led by the Dynamic duo of Steve
Ferice and Leslie Ballen comes out swinging with a completely
different story. They say that Mary was, in fact a
battered wife trapped in a marriage with a domineering, abusive

(51:25):
preacher who made her life a living hell. On April eighteenth,
Mary would take the stand in her own trial. She
was wearing her wedding band across necklace around her neck,
and I saw the picture, she looked like she just
stepped out of a church bake sale. I mean, she's
just but the shit that. She went on to say.

(51:50):
She claimed that Matthew berated her, constantly threatened her with
a shotgun to her face, and even pinched and shoved her. Sorry,
what part are you laughing about? The gun, getting shoved
her face or getting.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I pinched my wife's ass all the time?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
That dud My mom is a pincher, and I cannot
fucking stand it. I will get I will put her
ass in a home. If ever the day presents itself
where she needs to move in with me and she
starts pinching, I will put her in a home.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Dude, speaking of not necessarily pension, but like rough housing
with people. My son, my middle son, who's you know.
We have a listener who's on Carter patrol. He's getting
really into like he's getting really into m m A.
He's washing it a lot, and he's got like a
natural like a he just knows what to do. And

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he him and I went at it, yes two days ago.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
He choked you out.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
No no, no, no he didn't. But he he's fucking good.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
He's strong, athletic, he's strong.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
He made the right moves about the middle one, right, yeah, Carter, Yeah,
he made the right moves. He passed when he should
have tried to pass, And like, I'm not going hard,
but I'm like letting them like kind of make open
openings and stuff. Do he I'm like, I didn't get
this kid and BJJ, man, he needs let him wrestle.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Honestly, he doesn't want to wrestle.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
I might do.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
That's like the building block foundation, good foundation for everything else. Yeah, man,
he's fucking strong.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Uh empower does Brazilian jiu jitsu? Man?

Speaker 7 (53:32):
Do they?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yep? Yeah, they got kind of legit dude up there.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I Sawid and Hubert. They have one of the there's
a Gracie that does glasses over there too.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
But some of them gracies aren't even related. That's yeah,
there's changed your last name to Gracie.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
So she claimed that she was getting pinched and shoved.
She says that he forced her to perform unnatural sex acts.
What that was, she didn't really elaborate, just butt stuff
and made her wear a wig and platform heels during
their private moments. So like Vanilla, while she was on

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the stand, she pulled out a pair of gaudy white
high heeled shoes and a brown wig from plastic bag,
saying that Matthew brought them for her to wear or
bought them for her to wear in the bedroom against
her wishes. Bro. Whenever she pulled out the shoes, there's

(54:33):
an audio clip, but it's got like it's Oprah's I'm
not fucking with it.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, were fed on.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
You can hear the crowd audibly, like this little fucking
small town Tennessee. She pulls out them stripper shoes, They're
like ooh, and she looks like she's gonna vomit when
she pulls it out. She has her head down. She's
like you can tell she's just a godly woman, just
like her sole purpose in life is to not be offended,

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like not be offensive towards God.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
It's funny because that's like that's literally like in like
sex one oh one. That's like the first bulletin point.
And yeah, it's nothing platform shoes in a wig.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
But she's sitting there, you know, granny panties, no makeup, poop,
her drawers, hunting done, probably got some fucking crust on her,
you know, hanging around her butt.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Oh, man, do you think this woman on top is
extremely extremely like risk?

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Oh, I can't be on top. Turn the lights off, Please, God,
turn the lights off.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I don't want God to see me doing this, this
immoral act.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
He made me wear a wig.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
It was a George Washington wig.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Is your ugly fucking face? You want to pretend he
was fucking someone different?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Like your back was turned.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
I made my wife dress like Washington sometimes when I'm
really revved up. She got these wooden binchers, the Delaware.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Forces and what.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
That's Abraham Lincoln?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Sorry, okay, call me d n word.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Tell me to get back to work.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Mary says. The morning of the shooting, Jesus Christ, is
this what we've become?

Speaker 2 (56:34):
I don't know, man. We're good people, we are.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Mary says. The morning of the shooting, Matthew was pissed
because of their toddler, Brianna. She wouldn't stop crying. She claims.
He he put his hand over the baby's mouth to silencer,
something that he allegedly done multiple times to all the
other to his other daughters over the years. Mary says
she went to the closet, grabbed the shotgun to quote
talk things out.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I never wanted to talk more than having a shot.
Good pointed up my face.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Not sure?

Speaker 8 (57:06):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Sure we we we can talk. We can talk, We
can talk, we can talk. I love you. Take the
wig off. Take those shoes off. I know those look
like those look really uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Take those off. She just wanted to talk, She just
wanted to talk it out. So man and her version
of talking it out, Well, she pulled the fucking trigger
and shot him in the back.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
She swears she didn't mean to pull the trigger. She
just wanted to scare him into.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Stopping his mean behavior.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Just bad trigger etiquette, man, after the shot, no trigger discipline,
no discipline whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
After the shot, she says, Matthew rolled off the bed,
well yeah, still alive, asking why why, and she replied
I'm sorry, before panicking, unplugging the phone and leaving with
the kids.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
You killed me. You killed me. I'm sorry, but I'm leaving.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
You're not calling nay one either.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
That's wild.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
The defense leans hard into the battered woman syndrome angle.
Why why was it the slutty shoes?

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Was it the wig? I want to be pegged, dude?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
That would have sent her over the edge.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
There was a we were hanging out with my We
were hanging out with my wife. I mean, there, it's
another couple we've met. Our kids have interured of our friends.
So we were hanging out with them and we were
watching baseball together and the Reds closer. He doesn't watch baseball.
He's a big sports dude, just doesn't watch the Reds.

(58:43):
The Reds closer his name is Amelia Pagan. And he's like, uh,
they're putting Pagan in and Pagan And I was like,
that's what she's doing you later if you don't get
your shit together. And I don't know these people, like
I know them, but like they definitely caught him off,
caught them off guard. He's like, no, no.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Like gag, no, I'm not getting pegged. That's a funny joke, man.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
It's like it's Peggott. It's not Pagan.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
It's like Pecan but with a G.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
He's like, you're putting Pegan in. It's like, yeah, that's
what you're getting later if you're not your fucking shit together.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Well played.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
And I said that's what she's gonna do to you later.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
That's all she was like.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
No, I'm not no, I'm no I'm not.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
At least they knew what it was, so I mean,
that's no.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
They laughed about it.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah, I love them.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
The uh yeah. The defense they leaned in the battered
woman syndrome. They had a doctor, Lynn Zaeger, a forensic psychologist,
testify that Mary suffered from mild depression and PTSD stumming
from her her sister's death at the age of thirteen.
And it was worse than by Matthews. Is just the
immense amount of abuse that he engaged in. Zager Sai

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as Mary was a classic battered wife, controlled, humiliated to
the point of breaking. The defense brings in witnesses like
Brandy Jones, a friend who says that Mary knew how
to shoot a gun because Matthew took her a firing range.
They also introduced pornographic images found on the family's computer,
which Mary says Matthew made her look at, adding to

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her humiliation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
At that cooking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Mary, get in here, you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
See that beaver.

Speaker 8 (01:00:35):
I want you to shave it up, just like that boush.
Not a hair on that puss, unlike your disgusting wolverine puss.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
What do you think about this black fellow?

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
You ever heard of Mandango.

Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
You know what a gang bang is, Mary, You know
what a hardcore gang bang is with a I'll put
the cock in boot cocky.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
This guy fucking deserved to die. Any man that makes
his wife watch porn deserves to die.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Get in here and watch this shit with me. Oh Netflix, No,
poor Hub.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
The prosecution, they weren't really buying it. They hammer Mary
on cross examination, pointing out that she never told anyone,
not friends, not family, not even her preacher's husband's congregation.
She didn't tell anybody about the alleged abuse. Walt Freeland
argues that there's no evidence that Matthew was abusive, just
Mary's word against a dead man's reputation. They say the

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real motive was money. Mary's scam. Their scam debts were
piling up. She was essentially married into a Nigerian prince
family at this point, and Matthew was starting to ask questions.
They claimed that she killed him to keep her secret
and then fled to buy time. There's testimony about Matthew

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being a jerk, like the time he bullied a neighbor
over a barking dog or misused a church credit card.
But the real kicker in the courtroom drama around those
platforms where the yeah was the platform heels and the wig.
Local reporter James Tucker said, like I said, the room gasped,
literally gasped when Mary pulled them out, like she'd revealed

(01:02:37):
the preacher was running a fucking strip club in his basement,
all of them, the pearls and dude, she was a potato.
She was not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
She was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
It's funny, that's not what I expected.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, she was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I gotta see what she.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Let me see if I can try and find this
video real quick, and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I'll just say, you play the audio as long we're
talking over it. It's fair use, right.

Speaker 9 (01:03:02):
Winkler, Yeah, Mary wink Lie, Mary, Mary quite contrary.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Okay, that's that's kind of what I was expecting. Very mousey.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
I got a loaded shotgun and I'm gonna shoot you
in the butt. He kind of you know, look, it's
number we're number three on YouTube for Mary Winkler. We're
alive right now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Hell yeah, that's pretty cool. He kind of looks like
somebody that I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Want to say. I really I'm not gonna find it.
I should have clipped it, but I didn't. It can't
take me too long to find it. You're good, no
big deal man. After eight hours of deliberation on April nineteenth,
two thousand and seven, the jury came back with a
verdict and they did not buy first degree murder. Instead,
they convicted Mary a voluntary manslaughter, a lesser charge that

(01:04:06):
says that she didn't plan to kill Matthew, but she
did in fact perform the deed in the heat of
the moment. On June eighth, alright, I got a fucking
crunch wrap and two Miller Lites stuck in my throat. Alright,

(01:04:27):
God always took me out right there, man, I'm okay.
But on June eighth, Judge mcral, Timothy mcral Simmonson.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I'm an Indian outlaw.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Water is that timmcrawl? I don't think Tracy bird shit
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
She's my kinder, right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
I like to I think timmcgral's sexy fucker dude that
one time. No, he still looks good for an old man.
An old man is in good shape, dude. His wife
is still a babe. She's a whore.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Babe.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yes, I like Faith hill Man. Yeah, she's a beautiful
soul good singer too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
I heard she's like the fucking sweetest person in the
entire world.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
I bet she only does missionary Yeah, for sure, she's
just starfishes. My favorite. Sometimes that's you just need that, dude,
Like I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Telling you, what if you need to get the job
done and you're on a time crunch.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Sometimes I just whisper in her ear saying I just
still for about two minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
It don't matter, man. Sometimes that has come in my
hand and throw it at my wife. I fel spackler.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
I don't know. I just thought about this. But Saturday
I went to I had uh. I got that ticket
to see Ninja Turtles. It was a thirty fifth anniversary
of it was two, right, No, nineteen nine, the nineteen
ninety one. Okay, so it was the original, the original
original Ninja Turtles.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
That's why I'm where raft falls through the fucking ceiling
and lands in a bathtub.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Right, yep, that was my favorite one. Yeah, that was
a good one. He doesn't land in a bathtub, he
fall through the wall. They put him in a back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
They put him in a bathtub.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
But yeah, but my my showing was like ten thirty
or something, which is really fucking dorky. Time to get
the movies at ten to fifteen in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Kind is yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I go in. I walk up the contession stand. They're
like fucking surprise to see me. Oh yeah, can we
help you. I'm like, yeah, I got a movie. I
want to buy some snacks. I want some and I
said I'll do a large die Coke medium popcorn. And
I hadn't eaten anything. And I'm an old dad, so
naturally I've been up since about six o'clock. Jeesus, I mean,
and I had taken my blood precher pills. I need

(01:06:45):
to get something in me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Why are you so old?

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
And uh It's like, uh, you guys got hot dogs?
This sixteen year old girls like that. I don't know
if they're ready yet. Oh the check. I was like okay, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
She starts to walk away. I'm like, I say all
of them. I'm like, it's a hot dog. Just bring
it to me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
It's a I was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Gonna say, it's ready, no matter what dog, whether it's
hot or not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Yeah, just bring it to me. It's cooked. I see
her walk over there and she takes the temperature probe
and she probes the hot dogs and when she looks,
she looks at the temple. I get it food poisoning ship.
They gotta get it up to temp.

Speaker 10 (01:07:24):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
So she comes back and she just looks at me.
I was like, can I have Can I get one?
And she said, I think they're ready. I said, well,
if you think they're ready, then I'll take I'll like,
I'll take one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
She's like okay, and she went back and she got it.
She put in the foil ever brought it back. I
paid and start to walk away. I'm like, I can't
wait to eat this cold ass fucking hot dogs. And
I started to thinking myself like, all right, I'm gonna
woof this hot dog down on the walk to the theater,
so then when I sit down in my seat, I

(01:07:56):
can get popping on my popcorn and my diet coke.
Whipped that hot dog out. I take a bite of it, dude.
I swear to fucking god, it tasted like they took
this hot dog and dipped it in the middle of
a volcano. Because this hot ice it was every it
was probably three hundred and fifty degrees. Shut the fuck up,
I have a perfect hot dog shape. Burn wound your

(01:08:21):
mouth and the roof of my mouth. I woke up
this morning Sunday, money, it's ready.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Motherfucker's leaking.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
LoVa measured it and kilometers. What the hell's going on?
I kill god, damn dude.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
And I think it's ready. Was three hundred degrees, every
bit of it. It was like putting a fucking lit
brickhead in my mouth. They're on rollers, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Yeah, And I don't blow torch blow torch roller.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
The in the dragon back there just breathing on. The
ridges on the roof of my mouth are like two
feet deep right now.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
I woke up this morning and I like, you know,
you wake up in the morning, like, you know, wake up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
I went, h came out your nose.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Who layers of skin pulled off the roof of my
mouth like an old sunburn.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
That's fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
And I was like, hol my, I spit the hot
dog out. I caught it with my hand and I
threw a hot balve a full of hot dog away,
and I was like, what the fuck was that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
It's wild Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
And I went to the theater. I was like, oh,
my mouth hurts and I couldn't even focus on it.
I get in there, you know, right, I get the movie.
It says it starts at ten forty five, which is eleven,
But I get in there at ten forty five. Yeah,
and there's no special showing, there's no previews. It goes

(01:09:46):
oh okay, goes right in there. The Ninja Turtles document.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
I was literally getting ready to ask you what they
did if they played.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
And I'm seeing this cool ass stuff on the TV,
and I'm so mad over this hot dog that about
took my life. And it was an all beef hot dog,
which I don't like all beef hot dogs. I think
they're gross.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
So you gotta have like fucking like horse lips and
pig asses and your hot dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
If I can't smell like the shit that the pig
took before you made the hot on one, I want
a real hot dog, not sure all beef.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
So damn sorry for your mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Rest in peace.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
So they deliberated for eight hours. They found her guilty
of voluntary manslaughter. The judge sentenced her to two hundred
and ten days in prison wow, with credit for the
one hundred and fifty days she'd already served Wow, and
he let her serve the remaining sixty days in a
mental health facility followed by three years of probation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
The courtroom erupted at the verdict. Matthew's mom, Diane Winkler Well,
she was she was living. Confronting Mary at the sentence,
she said, the monster you painted for the world to see.
I don't think that monster existed, She says. Mary showed
no remorse, never apologized to her daughters, and doesn't deserve

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to be their mom. Speaking of the girls, they were
with Matthew's parents Dan and Diane during the trial, and
a nasty custody battle kicked off. Mary Well. She fought
tooth and nail for her daughters, even going on the
Oprah Winfrey Show to plead her case, saying that she
wanted to speak for other abused women. In two thousand

(01:11:31):
and eight, she would go on to win full custody
of her own daughters, Patricia, Mary and Alice and Brianna
Well Yeah three Mary Alice, moving them to Smithville, Tennessee.
Mary would later sue her in laws, claiming they misappropriated
a trust fund for the girls, and a judge ordered
them to pay it back. She won that verdict, but

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the flash forward fast forward twenty twenty five and Mary Winkler,
who is now Mary Carol Freeman. She's living a quiet
life in Knoxville, Tennessee. She's fifty one, still raising her daughters.
He's currently battling multiple sclerosis, which was diagnosed in twenty ten.
She's still active in charity, running marathons for cancer research,

(01:12:19):
mental health, and in mess awareness. Is pretty pretty impressive
in itself. The girls are doing okay, reportedly close to
their mom and living as a normal life as they
can after losing their father and seeing their mom vilified
on national television. Wild man, I think old Matthew had
it coming.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Anyone else is wild? Did you see the post about
our fucking twenty year anniversary coming up? Yeah, there's a
there's a whole last page here. Are you gonna go?
I'm not going to go if you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Why they want to why they want to talk to me?
Twenty year anniversary? Yeah? I was a king dangling in
high school. I'm still king dangling. That's all I need
to know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
How I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Got my fucking wan are out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
There was a fucking there's a poll of where we
should go. Two votes in two votes, one person set
a bar or the other person said Marians it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Is what I mean. We went to Marians for a
ten year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
I didn't go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I did. There was like fifteen people there. Yeah, I've
good people we graduated with twenty years is a big
I mean, that's that's a big I mean, fucking people
have died, not us.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Good lord, yeah we never died.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
I that crunch wrap on my die.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I don't know, dude, So I got split.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
The thing is like, if they could promise that seventy
five percent of the people living were gonna be there,
there's a lot of old people I would like to
see and talk to you absolutely, absolutely the fact that
you know there will be twelve fifteen people show up
and it'll be the same people that I talked to
on Facebook that you'd expect to show up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Yet, right, that's that's my only that's my only thing
with it. But I feel like that's like I need
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Sure, I'll go. Yeah, I'll go. I'll go find Yeah,
we'll bring hoppy, we'll do shots.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Yeah. Well, no matter where we go, will be the
fucking life of the party.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Sure, whether they want it or not, right, do drugs?

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Well, may see our assholes heroin with our classmates. Half
of them died from it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Everything's fitting in my asshole about that's true. That's the
story of Mary Winkler. Mary, Mary quite contrary, show us
how your bush grows. You know what, Mary, I think
you did the right thing by killing that fucker.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Yeah, that'saw his picture. He looked like he needed to
be shot. He had that look to him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
If that's all it takes for someone to kill me
is just to send some money to a Nigerian prince.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
You fucking shot a long time ago, I don't want
to do it myself. Have you ever fell for a scam?

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Never good for you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
I'm so standoffish about everything that even when people need help,
I'm like, fuck, I told you earlier in the episode, like,
oh my fuck you, y'all'll give anybody any there's nothing, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
I never I never fell off for a I never
fell for a scam. But I did two things when
I was young that I did that I'm not proud of.
Is one, I signed for a sign up for a
uh a paywall for a porn website that I forgot about.
And then the other one was even funnier. There was

(01:15:20):
a learn how to do Magic subscription. Okay, I was
so into fuck when David Blaine first popped off. I
was so into fucking card tricks and shit, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
I think one night I got drunk in did a
Girl's Gone Wild subscription. Yeah, and I couldn't get it
to stop hitting my account.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
That's kind of like a scam.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
That was like a scam for it was a big mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Late night infomercials, like all those things are kind of
like scammy, But it's not like fucking you know you're
Nigerian prince.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Sure, but that's a bad one. Yeah. I think I've
done some scams. Sure, I think I've scammed a few people.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
I probably have too.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
I remember one time, for sure, no regrets. I don't
remember what sport it was, but we did a we
did our fundraiser and we were selling pies. I specifically
remember selling pies.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
I remember that. It was fifth grade.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Yeah, and I collected all the money from it, and
I never showed up the day they gave gave us
the pies. I never delivered them. That's a lot of money, dude,
I dude, we fucking we ran all over that neighborhood
selling shit. Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
I remember selling pies man. Yeah, man, that was in
like fifth grade. We did it too. I forget what
it was for.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
I lived over Actually it was it was a house
on fucking nor a ledge that somebody that we went
to high school with ended up moving in after us. Really, yeah,
you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Can't remember what that fundraiser was for, but I remember
my mom was in the PTO and I had a
short pies. Yeah, I took an entire apple pie in
the back and I was fucking eating it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
You ate someone's pie.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Well, my mom came back there and she's like, uh,
what what kind of pie is that? And I said
it's one we ordered, and she's like, how do you
know which one we ordered? I said, I looked at you,
so I came on seens Dutch apple Pies.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Oh yeah, that's good ship.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
And then I looked us, like, I know my mom
ordered a pie, and I went and looked at our
order for him, and I saw Brenda Alexander Dutch apple pie,
chocolate cream and a lemon meringue or something. I'm like,
fuck this ship, and I would grab it a Dutch
pie and I took in the back and I ate
like two slices of it and then I got a
hole and my Dad's like, somebody already fucker this one.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
I already buggered it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
That's how it came.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
That's all I was left added. That's all. It was
a leftover pie.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
At least that's one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
At least you knew to look at your orders for
him to see what you ordered.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Well, I think I was diabetic, dude at the time,
and I was shaky. You get something in me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
That makes sense? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Funny? All right, guys, Well, thank so, hope you enjoyed
the episode. Have a great week. We're gonna be with you,
hopefully again in a couple of nights.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yeah, let's do it man.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Ohio confessions. Apparently the Bengals are getting their fucking brains
beat in, so I'm not surprising. Her defense looks really,
really bad.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Typical one of the best offenses in one of the
worst defenses. How the fuck you deal with that?

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
All right, Well, have a great week.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
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the decisions you made to kill that man.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Hell yeah, love you guys.

Speaker 10 (01:18:42):
Bye.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
I want to see your past, Dick,