Sex Trafficking

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If you or someone you know arevictims of human trafficking, called the National
Human Trafficking Hotline that numbers one eighteight eight three seven three seven eight eight
eight. You can also text twothree three seven three three B free.
The National Human Trafficking Hotline is anational toll free hotline available to answer calls,

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texts, emails, and live chatsfrom anywhere in the United States twenty
four hours a day, seven daysa week, in more than two hundred
languages. The Trafficking Hotlines mission isto connect human trafficking victims and survivors to
critical support and services to get helpand stay safe. The Trafficking Hotline offers
round the clock access to a safespace to report tips, seek services,

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and ask for help. That phonenumbers one eight eight eight three seven three
seven eight eight eight. You canalso get a Human Trafficking Hotline dot org
for live chat around the clock andmore information. Ah. I love it.

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You can't see I love it whenyou come see Grandma on Sunday night,
because I know there's only one reasonyou're coming to see Grandma Sunday night,
as you know, that's sunnight.I like to eat my jolly ranchers.
And I get the fucking arm robbeddog. And then you like to

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see grandma with their teeth out,don't you? I do? Do you
like to see grandma with their dnchersout? Oh God, don't send this
an email. We've been getting alot of nasty emails. There's some some
guy keeps on sending us his feetforward that to me. I just don't

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why. I don't know why.I don't why. I talk a lot
of we talk a lot of fictitiousstuff here, but this guy does not
have good feet and he keeps onsending him to us. Yeah, that's
that's the worst. It's just suchan odd way to send. You know,
maybe snapchat somebody picture your feet.Yeah, yeah, just not email.

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It not not email, Instagram.I think even Facebook has a vanishing
mode or something like that, oryou could I don't know, like facts
it or something. I don't dotoo much sneaking around. I um,
if I want to send you apicture of my feet, I'll just do
it. Rob, I've come toexpect it. Oh well, we're talking

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about seft. Oh god, youtalking about sex trafficking in this episode.
You hang around to the end ofus talking, you get the interview with
her friend Haley. She's got astory of her being kidnapped. She was
sex trafficked, and she found herway out and she's doing good things with
her life now and she's got alot of good to share. We are

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so happy to have her on theshow. She's an absolute, absolute dream.
She's wonderful, she's a sweetheart.Yeah, she's great. So proud
to have her as a listener.And it's, uh, you know,
it's humbling to hear stories like that. It really is. Just I'm thankful
that I was never fucking forced tohave sex with men. Not that I

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would have had to have been forcedinto doing that, but I'm just glad
knowing that she legit was like kidnaped. She said, yeah, it was
like a movie. Someone took arag and put it over her mouth.
Chloroformed her. Is that what itis? Yeah? I was gonna call
it chlorophil, and I I didn'tsay it during the interview because but now
I'm thinking, I'm thinking my headlora phil more like blora phill that guys

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have lived with plants. Chloroform iswhat you're talking about, chlorophills, plants.
Chloroform is what my mom used touse on us to go to bed.
Yes, yeah, and kids aredying because I've been a drill.
Apparently there's a TikTok thing right now? Are you overdose? I've been a
drill. Listen here, motherfucker isone of those things will make you sleep.
You don't need to take any morethan that. Yeah, stupid.

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I hate kids. When I waspatching that drywall today, I just cannot
stand them. They're just icky.They're they're mean, they're rambunctious, they
break shit. So what happened withthat the dry cow? Did that happen
the drywall? You don't know howit happened. I don't think so.
My oldest daughter, huh, washere with a friend. Yeah, they
are in front of the snacky cabinet. Okay, the oldest daughter started dancing.

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Okay, she stepped on her sock. She fell down into the wall,
all head and shoulder and just likethe fucking shampoo dog head and shoulders
into the wall, huge twelve tosixteen inch hole in the wall. Damn,
the size of her head and shoulder. I said, I don't believe
you. I walked over there.I looked at the hole, all of
her fucking hair stuck in the hole. So yeah, I guess I do

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said, Okay, okay, Ibelieve you. Yeah, maybe you did
talk about this. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, And today I go
to um patching drywall. Big,you gotta put like wood behind it,
you know, but you gotta fuckingput her in there, anchor it.
I go the hardware store, Iget the stuff I needed. I come
home. I start to slap ittogether. I get it all you know

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I get. I get the drywallcompound, I thin it out a little
bit. I'm putting it over thefirst first coat, get everything laid down.
I get everything looking real good.I'm proud of myself. I say,
well after, I say, onthis, bitch, this is gonna
look really good. It's not gonnalook like a whole entire fucking human fell
through this thing. Right. Iwalk into the living room, I look
at all three of my kids.They look up. They look me in

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the eye, and I say,listen to me, Guys, look at
me. Concentrate when they know I'mserious. When I say look at me,
when I want them to make eyecontact with me, I'm telling something
really important. I said that holein the hallway, I patched it I
fixed it. It's gonna take aday to dry. There's a lot of
compound on there. Don't touch it, please God, I worked so hard

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on this to make it look nicebecause it's the main passageway of our home.
Don't touch it, yea. Theyall look at me, okay,
dad. I walked down the stepsto go out front to take the tools
back to the garage. I comeback up the steps three seconds later and
I say, you guys heard me, right. They all look at me
again. They say yeah. Halfan hour later, Stacy gets home from

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the grocery store. She goes tothe bathroom. She said, oh,
you patched it. I said,oh, yeah, I did. She
said, someone ran their finger throughit. Oh my god. I walked
down the hallway. I'm like,mother fucker, someone took her finger,
ran it through it, took twomore steps down the hallway, and then

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wiped their finger off about two feetaway from the like the patched hole.
Oh my gosh. I look inthe bathroom and Paisley squatted down butt naked
underneath the sink, getting get him, getting bath poys out. She's just
squatting naked, And I said,did you put your fucking fingers in the
hole out here. And she justlooked at me with her hair in her
face and like spaghetti and chocolate onher face, and she said, yeah,

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even try to lie. And Isaid, why why did you do
that? She said, I don'tknow. I can't fucking take it anymore
around here, dude, they're they'rerising up against me. I don't know.
They're assaulting my intel, they're insultingmy intelligence. They're destroying your property.

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They don't care, man, theyjust don't care. So now I've
got a beautiful fucking patch up therewith a six year old fingermark right through
it. I don't know. Itwas just funny because she's squatting, sitting
there, squatted naked, understanding therelike why did you run your finger through
the And I can imagine no onelikes to be cornered naked, you know,

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No one like no one, No, no one likes to be subjected
to interrogation while they're naked. Butman, she got it, and she
was ready. She rolled over.She was she was not about the lie.
She said, yeah, I didit, So what what did I
do? She's just leishi Leshi ownedup to it. I fucking don't even

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understand. Oh man, that's funny. We got three new Patroons subscribers since
we did a new episode two daysago and leave. First off is old
double D Destiny Dockery. She wroteus and said they don't call me double
D for nothing. I said,well, what do you mean? She
said, my name's Destiny. Yes. I said, well, thanks for

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the brick coming to the Broio Patreon. That's where they That's why they call
her the dirty D dirty double DDestiny. Thanks Destiny for being here with
us, man. Next we gotChristian Lahy lay. I think nay.
You guys are doing the Peaches songat your house? Are you? Jack?

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Black? Peaches? A little bithasn't stopped here. I really had
to learn it on the guitar yesterdayfor the kids. Good. How about
old Tim Williams. If it's thesame Tim Williams I used to work with,
man, he used to watch mebeat the ever loving shit out of
people. But I doubt it.That's a pretty common name. But Tim,
if that's you, thanks for beinghere. If not, this is

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a new Tim Williams. You aremy new Tim Williams. Tim, thanks
for the old with the new.Yeah, Man, And if you're the
guy that keeps on send us picturesof your feet. Thank you. That
is so fucking hot. Man,going right in the old spank bank.
Now what's going on? Um?What's going on out there? We got
uh Madisonville, Texas. Ship's goingdown? Man. We usually have a

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funny article for you. Yeah,this article says six cattle found dead in
Texas with their tongues missing, probablythe Dalai Lama. Yeah. Both of
our news stories back to back tonguetongue stories. Yea, and dude,
I fucking love French kissing too,so it only it only adds up that
I would do a couple of tonguestories. I'll tell my wife, I

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say, she'll she'll wake up inthe morning, She's say, good study
even he he coffee yet, AndI'll give her a kiss on the cheek
and she's just like kind of swayingmaking her coffee. And I'd be like,
you give me some tongue and shesays, no, I don't care.
I like. I like French kissingtoo, but I call it Mexican
kissing because it's south of the border. Got it? And what could be

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a plot from an episode of TheX Files The authorities are investigating the mysterious
deaths in three Texas counties of sixcattle that were found with their tongues missing.
Ranchers found the mutilated remains of asix year old Longhorn cross cow on
their property, the Madison County Sheriff'sOffice set on Facebook. The office did

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not say when the cow was discovered, but said a straight, clean cut
with apparent precision had been made toremove the hide around its mouth. On
one side, the meat under theremoved hide was untouched, and the cow's
tongue was gone with no blood spelled. Huh well yeah. There were no

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signs of a struggle, footprints ortire tracks in the area, said the
authorities, who added the grass aroundthe carcass was undisturbed. Ranchers also reported
that no predators or birds would scavengethe remains of the cow, leaving it
to decay untouched for several weeks.The Sheriff's office said what the fuck is

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going on out there? And itsinvestigation which is a Madison County which is
about one hundred miles southeast Awaco.The office said it had learned of five
other similar cases that involved four adultcows. And one yearling and Brazos Brazos
that's a good porn website in RobertsonCounties. Each of those cases were reported
in different locations, pastures and herds, Though the exact cause of death for

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the livestock is unknown, each ofthem was found the same way on their
sides, with the exposed part oftheir face cut along the jaw line and
their tongues removed. Only two ofthe five cows, a circular cut was
made, removing the anus and fuckyeah, oh shit, I love it.
All these news articles are always tryand make me calm. On two

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of the five cows, a circularcut was made, removing the anus and
external gentalia. The office said thiscircular cut was made with the same precision
as the cuts noted around the jawlines of each This is fucking gnarly,
dude, this is going on rightnow. Oh man, my cows.
I ain't us out. What thefuck we gotta do an episode on cattle

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mutilation? It just um yeah,man, it's oh, I'd be so
salty fills that cow like cow.You're the you're the fucking rancher, you're
the farmer. You got there tocheck your prize. Cow. They don't
do anything to it except for cutits asshole out, take its asshole now.

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I want the fuck they want thatfor delicacy, right, I suppose.
Man, I hear cow tongs prettygood. I've never heard that too,
cow asshole. I don't know aboutthat, man. Maybe they're putting
the tongue through the asshole. Itjust seems like something kind of bored,

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you know, kind of bored himbrought that on. Yeah, and making
like trinkets for a fleat market orsomething. Fuck, dude, I don't
know gary stuff. Yeah, whichsomeone cut out my asshole? Oh man,
I will say I went to PostownElementary School this weekend for a ghost
hunt to watch the guys over atCryptids of the Corn and Hillbilly Horror Stories

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um at At. A friend ofthe show there and his daughter and we
went up to um the mean teacher'sroom and he had a fucking catastrophic paranormal
event and all of us nearly perished. All of us nearly died. Love
when that happens. All I'm sayingis Postown Elementaries got some shit going on.

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Oh yeah, I like that,that dude. It was a locker
that slammed that poor dude shit himself. He did not represent Brohio or the
brand very well. Yeah, hefucking pooped all over himself. Yeah he
was scared me. On the otherhand, I sat there stoically with my
diaper filled to the brim. Didn'ttell anybody that I pooted my pants.

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Be my daughter, my ten yearold. We're gonna get the forgetting.
We don't get the frigging age.I think I heard her say shit once,
but I didn't say it shit.Clearly say anything with something like that
happens. Think, Okay, Iunderstand and respect it for real. All
right, let's take a quick breakfor a few of our sponsors. Fucking

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you cream mouth noise, mouth noisewith a yawn and then my mouth.
And do you wish you could gleakon command? I used to be able
to, really, Yeah, thenI stopped doing it, and then um
now I can't do it anymore.We went to school the broad named Kelly,
and this motherfucker could gleak from oneend of the parking lot to the
other. Yeah, Beverly does itall the time. She can do it.
Used to beat the shit out ofhis girlfriend too. Damn I was

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sad. Yeah, I mean that'son him though, that's not me.
Yeah, I taught myself in highschool. I like from drinking mountain dew.
I'll drink mountain do it. Itmade every single fucking time and happened.
Man, I'd be able to justgo and nail you one of blank
range. So gross. Yeah,it's pretty stupid. I don't think it's
real spit though. I think it'slike like when a girl squirts on it's
not piss. Oh, I'm asquirter, just spit fresh from the source,

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right from your mouth hole. Speakingof squirting, what is sex trafficking?
Good segue? Tell him, Rob, tell him, fucking tell him.
You're asking me? Okay, No, I wasn't ask him. I
was just like, all of asudden, I decide, Hey, this
looks like a jud fucking spot forRob Dog to read it. He's a

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strong he's a strong reader, andI'm not all right now. Sex trafficking
is when someone is made to performcommercial sex. That's thing on April.
I've never seen that commercial on abroad scale. It's a criminal economic system
that relies on exploitation to meet thedemand for paid sex. While victims enter
this system on various paths. Sextrafficking is always characterized by force, fraud,

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or corrosion, coersion, or victimizesa minor regardless of other factors.
Buyers and traffickers regularly target people whoare vulnerable, searching for a better life,
struggling with poverty, or living inan unsafe situation. And in this
episode, it's kind of hard tohuman trafficking and sex trafficking. They kind

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of go hand in hand. Whilethey're not the same, they are very
much similar. Because there's so muchoverlap, it's easy to confuse the two.
Human trafficking is an umbrella term thatcovers sex trafficking as well as other
forms of violation like forst agricultural labor, domestic servitude. Sex trafficking is human

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trafficking that specifically exploits people people sexuallyfor profit. When you hear about the
sweatshops in China, you hear aboutstuff like that, a lot, a
lot of forced slavery type situations inNorth Korea. I believe, yeah,
that's human trafficking. Under that umbrellais sex trafficking. While someone may not

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be forced to work twenty hours aday making knockoff football jerseys. They're being
forced to have sex for for profit. Now, these are some some stats
I got from Wikipedia in reference tosex trafficking. In two thou twelve,
the International Labor Organization reported twenty pointnine million people were subjected to forced labor

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and twenty two million, I'm sorry, twenty two percent four point five million
were victims of forced sexual exploitation.The ILO reported in two thousand sixteen that
are the estimated twenty five million personsin forced labor five million were victims of
sexual exploitation. However, due tothe covertness of sex trafficking, obtaining accurate,

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reliable data, it's just it's justnot there. And that's kind of
one thing I thought about this ishow how would they even be able to
compile the data, the statistics forsomething like this, because I would have
to imagine that a majority, notthe minority, but the majority of these
people. It's very much carried outunderneath a veil that you know, they're
they're not able to be part ofa statistic. Unfortunately, the global commercial

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profits for sexual slavery are estimated tobe around ninety nine billion dollars. God,
oh shit, buddy, that's whatthe b build in. Yeah.
In the in two thousand and five, the figure was given as nine billion
for the total of human trafficking,But now we're talking ninety nine the global

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commercial profits. Let's talk about thethe pimps for a second, of the
men that kind of drive these situations. And I've all I've told my pimp
story before. You know. Iwas in the third fourth grade, I
think it was somebody said something abouta pimp and I said, yeah,

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man, that's a pimp. AndI had no idea what I was saying.
But there was one bad kid wewent to school with named Ryan Barco.
He knew everything. He was infoster care, he knew all the
fucking bad shit. And I justran up to him during lunch and I
got in his ear. I said, Ryan's a p and he just looked
at me, had a lisp.He said, that's the king of the
hose. And I said, okay. I left ill after conversation, I

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still had no fucking idea what Iwas talking about, but I knew the
pimp was the king of the hose. It's all you need to know.
That's that age. But think aboutthat answer for a kid in the fourth
grade. I think it was fourthgrade. Man, that kind of answer
from a kid in the fourth ofthe hose, what's a pimp? That's
the king of the hose. Iso vividly remember asking him. That's such

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like a confident answer for a fourthgrader. It's the king of the hose.
It's the king of the hose,right though, man, I mean
man in a way. A twentyseventeen analysis of fourteen hundred child sex traffickers
arrested in the United States in thelast decade found that seventy five percent of

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traffickers were mail in twenty around twentyfour point four percent were female. The
average age of mail traffickers was twentynine years old. The average age of
female traffickers was about twenty six yearsold. Of those whose race was identified,
seventy one point seven percent we're AfricanAmerican, twenty and a half percent
we're Caucasian, and three and ahalf percent were Hispanic, with some of

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those being Pacific Islanders and of Asiandescent. In pimp controlled trafficking, the
victim is controlled by a single trafficker. I believe that's when we talked to
Haley a little bit that's kind ofwhat she was dealing with. While he
might have been part of a broaderscheme, she was dealing with a one

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one pimp situation. Yeah. Thevictim can be controlled by a trafficker physically,
psychologically, and emotionally. To obtaincontrol over their victims, traffickers will
use force and drugs, as wellas emotional tactics. In certain circumstances,
they will even resort to various formsof violence such as gang rape, and

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mental and physical abuse. Traffickers sometimesuse offers of marriage or modeling careers to
obtain victims. Other times they usethreats, intimidation, brainwashing, and kidnapping.
Child grooming is commonly used. That'swhat all the Democratic and the Republican
parties here in America. That's whatthey used. A groom the kids that
they're fucking at all these resorts andshit like that Epstein Island, stuff like

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that, Bohemian Grove, Skull andBones Society. What they do is they
groom these children. They bring themthese parties, and they bring these boys
and these grown political figure, thesemen. They fuck these kids and they
do it in front of each other, so then they have dirt on each
on one another, so then theycan have all these super secret society meetings,

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these fucking Bohemian Grove, the creamyCremation of Care, the Illuminati,
George sorosaw the shit man, becausethey've all been watching each other eat these
boys out, suck their dicks andfuck each other. They're all fucking these
kids, so they have dirt oneach other, so that way they can
break bread in these secret meetings andthey just, you know, all I

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can make these backdoor deals with witheach other because all you think this guy's
gonna run and telling you, well, he's not, because we saw him
sucking a kid dick the other night. Shut the fuck up. I'm right.
I'm right. When i'm on,I'm on, and when i'm right,

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I'm right. Rob. Let's getso tired of these politicians raping kids.
I know it's happening. Oh yeah, you don't think it's happening to
you. Oh no, I definitelydo. All the elites putting the naughty
and Illuminati lizards. Yeah they're allfucking lizards, Yeah they are. And

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the fucking scares you, man,because the way social media is now.
I heard kids getting trafficked off aroadblocks and ship from the fucking chat and
kids getting you know, bad shithappening to them and they meet. Think
about it. You gotta you wantnothing. If you're not a parent,

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it's kind of hard to understand,but you want nothing more than for your
child, your child to fit inand have friends and enjoy growing up.
Yeah. And then when you seeyour your kid not having friends, it
makes you sad as a parent.Yeah. And then if your kid starts
to confide in some internet friends,I guess then as a parent you are
just like, oh, I'm finally, I'm glad that he or she's finally

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talking to somebody. Yeah, andyou just kind of roll with it.
But in all actuality, you gottayou gotta pay attention to these things because
your kid could be talking to someguy some season, a working girl that's
grooming them essentially for a meet upin a kidnapped situation, much like Hayley
went through that we talked to youlater on the episode. Yeah, she

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just said, you know, I'vebeen talking this guy and he made me
feel like he had a place forme. And then next thing you know,
you're waking up in the bro Ohiostudios. You gotta, you know,
your chain to a chain to thewall. Me and Rob are sitting
here eating fucking bean dip Frido's.A couple of weeks ago, I sucked

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dick for some roebucks. I'm notproud of it, but hey, my
kids will legit get one hundred andfifty dollars on their birthday and try and
flip all of it into roebucks,and I will not stand for it.
Dude. My daughter one time shehad one hundred and eighty bucks. She

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said, don't I get all roebucksfor? This is absolutely not fuck.
No, I'll let you do liketwenty. Yeah. No, I that's
what I said. I said,I'll let you. I'll let you do
ten or twenty or I saill letyou do ten. Now, that's what
I say. I said, youcan do ten now, and then you
can do ten in a little bitwhen you run out. As soon as
she got the fucking first ten bucks, it was gone. She literally just

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did a three sixty right in frontof me and said, all right,
I'm ready for the next ten.I spent that ten. Would you buy
a house? Okay? I canget that. I can get that.
That's an entire fucking house. Iget dad a little pricey roebucks. Dude,
when I got money for my birthdaywhen I was a kid. Yeah,
we're going to KB Toys. We'regoing to Toys r US, We're

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going to Myer, Walmart, We'regoing on toy shopping. Dre going to
the hobby shop. I'm gonna geta model that I'm never gonna put together.
I love doing models back in theday. Why don't we do them
anymore? I don't know, man, It's it's like an old guy thing
now it is. But dude,I remember going to Myer and they would
have a wall of laid out modelsection. Yeah. Yeah, and my

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dad used to do it a littlebit. My brother did. It was
like a whole aisle and you painthim and stuff. And I really started
to think about getting a painting theminiatures for D and d H too.
But every I've met some some everysingle person I've talked to in person about
DND, they really scare me.Yeah, I need to find normal people

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to D and D with. ThoughI John Ellinger, I would trust him
and I would do some stuff withhim, but we gotta find other people
to do this together. I'm nottrying to fall victim to a trafficking thing.
I know that. Yeah, Andthat's one way to traffic me is
to invite me to like a Ghostbustersparty or a D and D thing,

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something cool. That would be oneway to chlorophyll me and take me someplace
to take your chlorophyll. Yeah,make you photosynthesize. Yeah, but you
know, you know, to goback where we were you got. You
gotta pay attention to your kids andthe and the relationships they're they're engaging in

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online. Fucking go through their phone. It's like a crazy boyfriend ship.
I went to my daughter's recently deletedmessages the other day. Her fucking heart
sunk. Buddy. She's like,Oh, I didn't know that was there.
She's just fucking walked away. OhI didn't know about that, dude.
I've I don't. I'm so scaredto look at my oldest son's phone.

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Dude, it's I'm terrified. Justdo it. I don't think we
should get drunk and do it justto laugh. Oh. Man, man,
After they kind of groom and abductthese these kids essentially, and they
you know, they're using a lotof social media, and they they once

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they get them under their wing,they start to advertise them the back pages
they advertise them on on the socialnetworks, but after the victim has joined
the offender, various techniques are usedto restrict the victims access to communication with
homes, such as imposing physical punishmentunless the victim complies with the traffickers demands,

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and making threats of harm and evendeath. Victims may experience Stockholm syndrome
as captors often manipulate victims into believingthey are in a romantic relationship with their
captor. Fuck man, it's justall just mental manipulation. There's one thing.
What they call Romeo pimps are loverable. I'm a Romeo pimp. I'm

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not. Actually that's a pretty coolname. They're essentially people that just just
beat the pavement all day on socialmedia. That's that's their thing, is
they They capture these girls hearts onsocial media, sometimes boys as well,
but they're just on social media puttingup these facades. You know, um,

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I'm in love with you. There'sthere's something here for you. I
got I got a place for youto stay, I got a place for
for us to meet up. Andthey spend That's what their day is.
Their job is to manipulate and curateall of these relationships with these teenagers and
these kids, essentially grooming them untilthey can get them into the position of

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capture. Sometimes these kids willingly showup. They don't even have to be
fucking kid now, they just showup for something. They don't think they're
showing up for, wild man,and they kidnap them and force them into
into set trafficking. There are morehuman slaves in the world today than ever
before in the history of the world'sHuman traffickers often use a Sudanese phrase quote

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use a slave to catch a slave, and they'll use we'll call them seasoned
girls, seasoned people that have beencaptured before that have kind of you know,
they've grown out of the phase ofOkay, I'm in this, I
need to get out of it,and they essentially go into the phase of
this is my life now. Yeah. Now, Once they get to that

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point where they're season enough, thenthe pemps and whatnot can actually use them
like kind of by proxy to groomother younger generations, to groom other people.
And estimated thirty thousand victims of sextrafficking die each year from abuse disease,
torture, and neglect. Eighty percentof those sold into sexual slave slave

(32:00):
three are under twenty four years oldin summer, as young as six years
old. One convicted sex trafficker bythe name of a Ludwig Tarzan Feinberg.
That's a scary fucking name right there, Dude. You've never seen a fucking
a gangster ass motherfucker named Ludwig streetnames Tarzan. Dude, that's a bad

(32:22):
boy right there. He You know, in one interview, he said,
you can buy a woman for tenthousand dollars and make your money back in
a week. If she is prettyand young, then everything else from there
is profit. So a young attractivefemale a going rate is ten thousand dollars.

(32:45):
We're not talking about a house boat, We're not talking about a car.
We're talking about buying a human,teenage girl, fucking person for ten
thousand dollars. Crazy. It's it'sdisgusting and it makes me sad, and

(33:07):
i've this is just crazy. Youknow a lot of people they say,
what, you know, what youcan have one superpower? What would it
be? Some people say I wishI could fly. Some people say I
wish I could have had an Xray vision, so I could see the
size of everybody but every guy's cockthat walks by. Fu. Yeah,

(33:28):
sign me up. You know ifthat was a superpower you you have,
you just I only want to beable to see naked men when when men
walk by, these have like thistranslucent number on their forehead and it's the
size of their two Yeah, it'sthe size of their erect dick three point
six. You got fucking cool man. You'd be like, Nick, there's

(33:51):
no number on your head, andI'm like, I know, I know,
you want to know why? Youknow? My my superpower wish I
had? I would just wish Icould show up for women and children and
even guys that are in situations likethis and just rescue them, just save
them from this this hell is.And we can usually make the most find

(34:20):
the humor and everything. But man, this is an episode where I really
wanted to talk to her, butI knew there was gonna be some some
sensitive, sensitive topic, sensitive stuff. But in the beginning of the episode,
I am dropping in a disclaimer foranyone that needs to get help.
There there's a hotline. Yeah,they've already heard it by now they're listening
they would and hopefully, I dude, I hope that one one person finds

(34:45):
the daylight in the darkness from listeningto this. I hope someone that's never
listened to a podcast opts on andsays sex trafficking podcast, and our fucking
dumb mugs come up and they clickon and they listen. They're like,
all right, these guys are funny, but they're trying to help me,
and they take that lifeline and theyrun with it and they do get help.

(35:07):
That's the one thing in Tarzan.Thanks for letting us know the going
rate for a for a nice younggirl, because without your help, Ludwig,
we would have had we would havenot known. Yeah, we've just
been guessing. Yeah, a humantrafficker can oftentimes earn twenty times what he
paid or she paid for a girl. Provided the girl was not physically brutalized

(35:30):
to the point of ruining her beauty, the pimp could sell her again for
a greater a greater price. AndI'm not talking about the money they make
from flipping tricks. So when theytake these girls and have them go on
dates every night and they get inthere, they're taking these teenage girls and
men are paying hundreds of dollars tohave sex with them. They're making that

(35:51):
money, okay, But then ontop of that, they turn back around
and they'll actually sell these girls toother pimps. And sometimes these girls can
go for as much as two hundredand fifty thousand dollars whenever they were selling
them. Man, probably get likea bag of Cheetos for us for us,
dude, yeah, I'll busted bagof Cheetos. Yeah, it's one

(36:14):
with a lot of airs, noway. I remember. There's used to
be some cars on my dad's cara lot, and nobody sounds to be
like, how much for that one? Daddy? Like, I'll fucking pay
you to take that off my law. That's what it would be like for
us. How much for them bigboys? Hella, that's on you if
you want them out of here.I got a lot of health problems.

(36:36):
One's got diabetes. Nah beat whatna bates titties. That's what I have,
diabetes diabeta titties. I think Ian't feeling a lot, but get
cut the sugar and shit out,man, I feel a lot better.

(36:57):
Fucking carbs and sugar will make youfeel like you're going to die. Oh,
yeah, for sure. Cards areso fucking good though. Man,
Oh dude, we had usually onthe weekends, I'll have a cheat me
on. Last night, I hadspaghetti and meatballs. Eleven o'clock. Yeah,
about eleven pm last night, Istarted to call and make reservations at
the morgue because I did book areservation. Uh, sir, this is

(37:25):
a morgue for one. Please kindof Carter's office. This is Randall.
How can I help you? Hi, I have a party of one.
I'll be there in about forty fiveminutes. What are you gonna be here?
You'll pick me up, sir.I just ate some pasta and I'm

(37:46):
going to post away. I believeit's going to cause me to post away.
That's how I fucking failed. Afterthat spaghetti dog. Ye oh,
that's my wife said, because wewent to that haunted elementary. So I
took the took the my ten yearold daughter and her friend out by ourselves.

(38:07):
My wife said, what'd you getto eat? I said spaghetti?
He said, She said, youcarve lowding for a marathon. I said,
no, I just wanted I justwant some speady and meatballs. Yeah,
And then she said, she's youthink you're gonna feel like shit,
and I said, I'll be fine. Eleven o'clock I was doing that.

(38:28):
Please God fucking take me. Yeah, if you can help me get through
this night, I'll believe in you, I will serve you. I will
go to I actually was supposed togo to church this morning, because I
have said, if you let melive tonight, i'll go to church tomorrow.
I have betrayed him already on ournewfound relationship. Nuckley doesn't exist.
You don't have to worry about it. Yeah, man, it's sorry.

(38:54):
Last night I was talking to himthough, So Yeah, the motherfucker was
there bruising the webs on people thatkind of women in their stories of getting
caught up in sex trafficking. Asidefrom aside from Haley, who we're going
to talk to, talk to her. Hearing about fifteen minutes or so,

(39:15):
this first story, the girl says, well, the question proposed was sex
traffickers, what's your story? Andthis girl she told her a story.
She said, I ran away froma group home when I was fifteen.
I ended up homeless after I ranout of people I could live with.
I got taken in by a guywho got me hooked on heroin. He
did it intentionally. After a bit, he sprung in the catch that it

(39:37):
was expensive and I couldn't keep gettingit from him for free. He wanted
favors. The first time it washim, then it was his friends,
which was whoever it turned out tobe, whoever paid. He dropped the
act quick though, when he realizedI was so checked out. I didn't
even care that he was pimping me. I wasn't with him for very long,
though. He got bought out bya large group and they moved me

(40:00):
to Montreal. It wasn't like Ididn't think about it. I even left
a few times before that. Well, after she tells this part of her
story, they moved her to Montreal, someone asked her questions, said why
didn't you just run away? Andshe said, it wasn't like I didn't
think about it. I even lefta few times before that. I came
back. Though. They make youreally feel they they make you really think

(40:22):
you'll never be able to live withoutthem, and when you're dope sick,
nothing else matters, not even knowingwhat will happen when you go back.
When I finally left, I stillthought I'd be dead without them. I
just didn't care. I left inthe middle of the night and just laid
down in a snow bank and waitedfor it to be over. She was
essentially just laying down to die.Someone found me after I passed out,

(40:44):
probably a banger or a homeless man, because he didn't call the cops or
anything. And he also stole myhearing a piece of shit. That's a
nasty thing to steal off somebody.Yeah. Yeah. He dropped me on
the front step up of a houseand knocked on the door until someone opened
it. And apparently they just turnedand left without even saying anything. They

(41:07):
were good people though. They gotme on the methodone and I got a
lot better after that. The stolenear rings thing that takes me back to
I believe it was MTV Cribs.I think it was Cribs. They had
a guy had Tommy Lee on there, and they had a guy that was
a big Tommy Lee fan essentially goingthrough his house with him. It might

(41:27):
not have been Cribs, but TommyLee towards the end of he's like,
man, thanks for doing this,And as a gift for me to you,
I want to give you like mybelly button piercing. I think it
was his belly button, and thatguy was like, but Tommy, Tommy
Lee's like, we got to boilit first. Took a tight as the

(41:47):
son of a bitch. So theysat there and boiled his belly button ring
and just talk shop. Dude,just did you like fucking badge like playing
in Matak Yeah, Tommy Lesley,Oh yeah, Metalli. Man, he
just gave him an autograph strong,Yeah, I gotta sign a T shirt.

(42:13):
Uh maybe you got him a foamfinger or something like that. Yeah,
something cool. I will you giveyou my belly butt ring, But
we gotta boil at first so itdoesn't kill you. Man. Oh dude,
that's fucking I don't know, butGod love him. He could drive

(42:34):
a fucking boat with his dick.Yeah. That's a huge cock. He's
got a baby arm for a dick, huge, huge cock. He posted
a picture of his dick recently,yeah, a couple of months ago.
Well yeah, okay, yeah hedid Yeah, still a huge dick.
Yeah, yeah, huge cock.I'm still scared of it. And then
he did that. He did thatlittle thing A few nights later, after

(42:57):
the dick pick got out, hewas on stage of his concert. He
said, oh, yeah, youguys want to see my wiener And he
had a fucking tied on, tireddog and his Adida's pants. Yeah,
that dude's that wiener has been insome top tier poon man Pam Anderson ninety
five had their luck. Leary,wasn't that he? Yeah, he fucked
the nineties. Dude. What aguy? I don't know. He's a

(43:20):
sex He's a sex trafficker. Hehas been trafficked. He has seen a
lot of a lot of sex.This other story, it says, um
um, she got hooked up withher mom's husband. I guess it'd be
like her stepdad. Her stepdad said, I'll fix your papers. Turns out

(43:44):
it was. It was like avisa related thing, residency thing. Turns
out he's in a gang, Agang with a lawyer. Oh, I
mean that's how you know shit?You know? Now? You know it's
a fucking badass criminal enterprise that theygot lawyers and ship. Yeah, that's
a gang with a lawyer. Iwas fixed a provisional temporal residency. Than

(44:05):
anytime the lawyer or the husband neededmoney, they threatened with taking the temporary
green card, the husband would breakinto the house and instigate threats in violent
behaviors. They don't break into ahouse. They simply have a system down
to a science of abuse. Ifyou marry an immigrant woman and break into
her house and attack the children orthe dependence, you're suddenly quote not committing

(44:30):
felony breaking and entering, nor areyou committing assault on the kids because you're
married to the mom. It isnow domestic violence. And with a lawyer
in that scam, they call thata loophole. O. Yeah, fuck
Jesus, dude. Shit, thatis some dark work right there. Yeah,
think about that, especially violent prevalentagainst children disabled individuals under twenty six?

(44:52):
Why under twenty six? Because youcan claim kids is dependence up until
twenty six years old, and soclaim the tax other benefits snap stamps,
food stamps, tax deduction, andall the extra additional money as you get.
Anyways, once you're paid enough forthe twenty six birthday rolls by,
you can cripple the kids with strangulationand then have the lawyer loop pull them

(45:15):
out of the temporary green card.Injured injured kids go back to Mexico to
die and can't come back to presscharges, rents and repeat every two to
five years. Geez, hold myfucking god. Wow. Um, there's
a lot I'd like to I'd liketo dig in. I don't know what

(45:36):
that process is called, but I'dlove to learn more about that. That
seems fascinating. I just love,I love intricate criminal activity. Yeah,
that seems exactly what that is,especially that man, you fucking work for
an organization that has their own lawyers, Like, that's fucking wild. They're
just finding you certain loopholes for themto be able to get more and do

(45:57):
more, wild man. And somethings that you can pay attention to if
someone you perhaps suspect as being humanor sexually trafficked, if they're living with
their employer, these are just littlethings that you might notice. Poor living
conditions, multiple people in cramped spaces, inability to speak to individuals alone,
their answers appear to be scripted andrehearsed, their employer is holding identity documents,

(46:23):
the signs of physical abuse, submissiveor they're going to be submissive or
fearful, unpaid or paid very little. And then also if you notice that
they're under the age of eighteen andthey're dealing and prostitution, that's a good
likelihood that they're being trafficked against theirwill. And some questions that you can

(46:45):
if you have someone in a lovedone or someone close to you, that
you can ask them to maybe kindof find out more about their situation.
You can ask them, can youleave your job if you want to and
you come and go as you please. Have you been hurt or threatened if
you tried to leave? Has yourfamily been threatened? Do you live with

(47:05):
your employer? Where do you eatand sleep? I know these sound like
really mundane things, but someone ina situation like that isn't necessarily Even we
were talking to Haley, she said, I didn't eat like I didn't know
where my food was coming from.I didn't know where I was staying at
from day from day to day.It just none of it was. None
of it was right. And youcan ask someone these questions and their faces

(47:29):
are going to tell the tale,but ultimately they're not going to have the
answers to these questions unless they're kindof rehearsed and scripted. You can ask,
are you in debt to your employer? While you may feel that way,
that shouldn't be the case. Doyou have your passport or identification and
who has it. Those are justsome of the things that you can you
can ask. You know, Ihope that there's no victims of sextual trafficking

(47:52):
that they're listening to this episode.But ultimately, if they are, I
hope that they find help. Ifthat's you that's listening, you know,
you can send us an email.Brohio Podcast at gmail dot com. We'd
love to You'd love to help youand extend to a helping hand or get
you to the resources you need.And look, nobody deserves to be in

(48:13):
this situation. We make. Wemake a lot of fun of a lot
of stuff. This shit's fucking heartbreakingto think about. You and I.
We wake up every day and wemake a choice go to work, stay
home, breakfasts, get breakfast,Do I want to fill up my water
bottle? Do I um? Whichbathroom do I want to go to?
There's people out there they don't havea choice. Man. They just wake

(48:36):
up and they're abused, They're they'reputting situations that they it's just like not
something that they would ever want tobe a part of. Yeah. Um,
and it makes me, it breaksheart. The kids are affected by
this I don't know what the exactnumbers are. And the hard thing for

(48:59):
you and I here in rural youknow, I guess suburbia, Dayton,
Ohio. Stuff is going on.Man. Just because we don't see it
doesn't mean it's not going on.We live close to Miller Lane at the
the inner the under state section ofseventy and seventy five. It's said to
be a huge human trafficking corridor throughthere. There's some hotels down the road,

(49:23):
and I know it's I know it'sgoing on. I know it's going
down. They bust them up allthe time. It just makes you um.
And even a lot of parents andstuff have claimed they've been walking through
Walmart and some of the stores aroundhere. And we'll have certain ethnicity groups,
certain what looked to be gang affiliatedindividuals that just keep an eye on

(49:49):
their kids when they're walking around,watching your kids, waiting for you to
take a step away from them,watching your your patterns and how you act
with your kids in the parking lot. Because these guys are fucking praying on
you and your families. So that'smy word word of advice to you is
always they are you aware of yoursurroundings and your kids and yourself and just

(50:16):
keep yourself safe. And if youhmm, I always keep it. If
you're here on the YouTube stream,I always keep a kitchen knife with me.
That's the safest thing you can do, just like a good old fashion
brand. Is this stainless China?Is the brand here? Great brand,

(50:37):
chef mate, horrific, real goodfor stabbing. I keep one of these
motherfucking six inches on me serrated alittle Oh shit. You know why this
knife is down here? I wasusing it to cut drywall. Steak knife
doubles is a great drywall knife.There you go. Hacks from the pro

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stick around for the interview. Haileyis genuinely one of the coolest, nicest
people we've ever had the opportunity totalk to. We've talked to a lot
of cool people on this show.Ask for us Sunday night. Hopefully we
can release this tonight. I don'tknow. I might be a good bed

(51:21):
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(55:46):
the Brohio, Lady of the ofthe night, of the day, or
the afternoon, whenever you're listening tothis, whatever time of day. This
is our friend, Haley. Haley, welcome to the show. Thank you
for having me, guys, ofcourse, and we've been we've been talking
that we've been chatting Haley up alittle bit. She's a free spirit,
she's fun, she's ready to talk. She's kind of are you about to

(56:07):
Sneeze's disgusting. I'm so pissed thatI did not come from I do.
I get mad when I lose asneeze. Man, that was I've haven't
had that happen in so long.It's like your dad walking in on you
when you're jacking all. Just wantto get it back now. Sorry,
Haley, we got sidetracked there forSorry. Sorry, well, and that's

(56:30):
one thing I do like to remindeveryone that if this is the first time
you're listening to um us perform aninterview. We do treat our guests with
the utmost respect. While we aredisrespectful, rude, and crude on most
of our episodes, we treat ourguests with sympathy and with the utmost respect.
You have nothing to worry about,Haley. You're in good hands.

(56:51):
We're gonna take good, good careof you. You have a triumphant story
with a lot of bad, butultimately it ends on a good note.
So this is um, this isa really sensitive subject and a sensitive topic.
So I do first of all,want to say thank you for coming
on the show to do this interview. Yeah, no problem, Thank you

(57:13):
guys for having me again. Ireally appreciate it. Oh yeah, and
I'm glad we're all we'll hook up. I think we've been trying to talk
for like six months and I justI don't know. I'm flake here than
a snowflake, and I just can't. There's we don't ever remember what we're
what we're gonna do, and whatwe're gonna talk about. So it's it'st
we do just forget. We're old, but we're here now and that's all

(57:35):
that matters. Yeah, yeah,Now you send us an email kind of
takeing us through, um, takingus through your situation. Our our topic
this week is sex trafficking, humantrafficking. And you you wrote us and
your first email you wrote it saidI was kidnapped and sex trafficked in Los
Angeles. Let me know if youwant to hear every want to hear that

(57:57):
story and you can. You justhead right off with that. And it's
like, well fucking hook line andsinker and I want to hear. Yes,
And she gave us yeah, yeah, she gave us the tld R.
I said, absolutely, we'd loveto have you on the show.
Now you are I'm not gonna sayhow old you are, but you're in
your early twenties. You're still relativelyyou're still relatively free from this situation.

(58:22):
And I and I did and youcan ask Haley the first thing I said
whenever we started talking, are youcomfortable talking about this? And are are
you? Are you free and clearof all this stuff? She said,
apps, no, no, uh, no qualms. Now this stuff is
gone, it's behind me. It'sa completely different life. So, UM,

(58:45):
I do feel when we did theTargeted Individuals episode that guy was still
going through some ship. Yeah hewas, Haley I do not feel like
it's still going through that shit.Sure, yeah, so I do not,
and I'm not exploit people anything likethat. It's it's good that you

(59:05):
got you know, you got tothe light at the end of the tunnel.
Did she or did she mean?We don't know. There's a story
to tell here. We don't know. She could be uh being she could
be being held hostage right now beingforced to make this interview with us.
Hey, we'll take us back tothe we said you grew up with your
grandparents and you got you started todabble in drugs a little bit at thirteen

(59:31):
and fourteen. Now I know inOhio that's the right of passage starts smoking
pot at thirteen years years old.I'm not certain that your journey start.
I'm sure your journey did start withpot because uh it's the gateway drug,
right, So take take us throughthat that that thirteen to fourteen year old
stage whenever all this stuff started tohappen to you, Haley. Um,

(59:54):
yeah, So around that time,I was um, kind of struggling with
like my identity and struggling with likethe fact that my parents weren't in my
life and my grandparents were the oneswho were raising me. So I ended
up falling in with this not sogreat crowd, and we all kind of

(01:00:15):
started with mead at first, andthen it escalated to pills. That was
like the common thing around my area. So it's like hydro CoDown, Viking
in Xanex, stuff like that.And I was kind of the one with
the addictive personality that ended up gettinghooked on everything while everybody kind of was

(01:00:36):
like, Oh, I'm just goingto do one here and there for parties
and stuff. So I ended upfalling out with most of those friends because
I became the addict of the group. Everyone else was just social about it.
How are you? How are youpaying for this addiction? At thirteen
or fourteen years old, I barelyhad, you know, I was I
couldn't do. I was still fartingshitting on myself when I was thirteen years
old. So it started off withum, just like hanging around people that

(01:01:04):
were like, oh, here,you want to try this? Oh yeah,
And then it escalated to stealing andum, I sold like drugs for
a little bit. I helped outsome of the people that I bought from,
okay, and yeah, it wasjust that stealing essentially, okay,
and you have nothing to be ashamedof here you, I can tell you

(01:01:25):
one hundred wholeheartedly, we already wethink the world of you, and we
without going to the fast forward andthe end of the story, we are
so proud of you for for findingyour way out of that, and uh,
we're humbled that you're giving this theopportunity to be on our show.
So don't be ashamed of anything.Just let it rip. If you fucking

(01:01:46):
killed some kids, don't tell usthat because that's kind of incriminating, but
tell someone we're not recording you.You have nothing to be ashamed of.
And I um, everybody that's listeningto the show has stolen at some one
one time or another. There wewere in Tennessee a few a couple of

(01:02:08):
years ago and I got an ornamentpersonalized for my mom, and I went
to go check out, and theguys like, this isn't the checkout The
checkouts over there? The checkout linewas around the fucking building. Four times.
I said, I'm not waiting inthat line. So, uh,
I had my mom's name on it. So I just left with the ornament,
and I did that from my kidsand I'm not proud of it,

(01:02:30):
but that that's you know, that'swhat it is. People steal. You're
gonna burn hell man, I amgonna burn him. Back to Hayley's story
here, I kind of got aheadof myself there. You said you kind
of mixed in with a bad crowd. But what kind of the next step
in your your journey? You youleft the you left your grandparents, and

(01:02:50):
well, I'm not gonna tell yourstory for you, but was that was
that next after you kind of startedto deal with addiction as you became too
much for your grandparents. Yeah.So, um, I ended up being
put in juvenile hall for some dumbstuff that I did when I was high,
and my grandparents kind of just werelike, we can't do anything to
help her, Like there's we justcan't give her everything that she needs to

(01:03:14):
get the help. So they thoughtthat maybe a group home would be good
for me. So, um,after I spent a little bit of time
in juvenile hall, they ended upputting me in a group home. So
I was like with a bunch ofdifferent foster girls and then like girls who
were in coming from probation the juvenilesystem as well. And I've heard much

(01:03:37):
like much like the same as jailor prisoner a group homes kind of some
people feel like they're doing good bysending their children to a group home,
but really you're surrounding them with peoplethat do things equally as bad and as
worse. It's almost like a university, like a criminal, criminal university.
And your is that is that kindof what your experience was, Hey,

(01:04:00):
yes, it's definitely a little it'sa little criminal university for sure. Um.
I definitely was introduced to a lotof things I had no idea about
from being in group homes. Um. And a lot of parents do think
that they're doing what's best for theirkids by sending them to group homes,
but they're not, and it's it'snot the parents' fault. Um. They

(01:04:24):
do make it out to look verygood. But as we've seen in the
past couple of years, there's alot of places that are being exposed for
having kids die, for having staffmolesting kids, like just all this crazy
stuff beating kids. Yeah, stuff, What was that? That seemed to
be pretty pretty common? Kind ofNow, were you remostly a group home

(01:04:45):
or were you kind of passed aroundto foster homes or what what was your
situation like? Um, So,I was in and out of group homes
and juvenile hall for pretty much fromfourteen to eight The last little year from
seventeen to eighteen, I spent itin a camp like situation sort of,

(01:05:06):
but it was a camp for themore mentally disturbed cases because I didn't want
to go to the actual camps,which were way worse. Yeah, it
was kind of like basically, uma mental asylum for criminally insane people versus
being in prison type of thing,but it was for kids. Yeah.

(01:05:28):
Yeah. Another And I'm really goodat reading people and kind of picking up
on things. I can tell theHaley is a really good fighter that she
could. Probably you can fight,can't you, Haley? Yeah? Probably
the thing you have to adapt ordie. It's one of those things,
you know what I mean. Didyou have to fight a lot in the

(01:05:49):
group Hooley? Oh? Yeah?And I wasn't a fighter before the group
homes like that wasn't my thing.Like everyone just kind of hung out and
did drugs. There wasn't a lotof fighting at the school I went to.
And man, did I have tolearn quickly? I had. I
had to learn because my grandparents didn'tteach me how to fight, Like I

(01:06:09):
never really grew up around that typeof stuff. Yeah, and those girls
they play different. A lot ofthem come from like gangs and stuff like
that, like their families or gangmembers, so like men. Yeah,
there's killers in there, and I, um, I hope that. Yeah,
I hope you never have to seethat side of yourself ever again.

(01:06:30):
I really. Um. You know, we're gonna say a thousand times we're
proud of you for the progress youmay and you're doing good and we're we're
happy to sit here with you andsee you smile. And I know that's
been a long journey, but you'rehere with us, and yeah, we're
gonna tell your story. You're gonnatell your story and we're gonna take good
care of you. So what,um, did you did you spend any

(01:06:50):
time? I know you're kind ofyou said you're in between. Uh we
call it juvie around here. Butuh and the group home did you did
you go in? Did you getin with any foster families at all?
I wasn't in any foster families atthat time. I was with my before

(01:07:11):
I got to my grandparents, sobefore my grandparents adopted me, I was,
but in that period of time wherethe sex trafficking happened. Though,
Okay, are you are you comfortabletalking about even before this kind of what
happened with your biological parents. Ifyou don't want to talk about that,
it's fine as well. Oh yeah, I don't mind pretty open about my
life story. You should write abook. I'm thinking about it. I

(01:07:35):
really would like to someday. Yeah, it's empowering you. You should.
You really should. Where your biologicalparents were they kind of right out of
the picture from the get go?Or how did that work out? So?
They had me up until I wasthree, and then my mom lost

(01:07:58):
custody because up until I was threeshe was using meth and so was my
dad, and my dad ended upgetting arrested and put in prison when I
was like two and a half,and then my mom just couldn't put up
the facade that she was taking careof her children anymore, so DCFS came
in took us. You talk toeither of them to this day, Nope,

(01:08:21):
they're both dead to me. Howmany how many siblings did you have?
M So? I have three total, two our half and one of
them is my full sister and myfull sister. I M super close with
I. We like grew up together. She was adopted with me, um

(01:08:44):
when my grandparents took us in.And yeah, we've been really close our
whole lives. Oh that's good.I M. Yeah, that's that's tough
man. You kind of you kindof got a shitty into the stick from
the very beginning, haliots when wemy Um, it really makes kind of
you know, Rob didn't have anideal situation, but it makes us.

(01:09:08):
Uh, it makes me grateful forhow everything worked out for me, and
just you know, it sucks.It sucks you can't pick your parents and
you can't pick your your your youknow, we kind of talked about our
DNA earlier, Haley, and it'smakes it tough man. I Okay,

(01:09:29):
that's why I just always do goodfor my kid. I always try and
do the best I can for mykids, because you and they people remember
their childhood and the in the momentit may seem like one thing, but
people fucking remember their childhood and howfucked up it is, and it really
does them. It doesn't number towardsshaping someone whether they whether they realize it
or not. Definitely a chape yourentire life. Yeah, your entire life

(01:09:55):
is based off your childhood. Howold were you when you found out like
what happened with your biological parents,like when you were able to understand exactly
what it was. I kind ofknew from the beginning, like in the
situation, because I mean I havelike vivid memories from when I was like

(01:10:19):
two or three years old of someof the like traumatic events my mom would
put me through. Shoot, shetried to get me to cook method three
years old, absolutely crazy. So, um, I kind of knew as
soon as I got adopted, Likemy grandparents were very open to telling us

(01:10:41):
and anything that we wanted to know, any questions that we had. They
were very open and very loving andcarry So, um I knew pretty early.
Okay, you and while you're inthe group home, you started to
develop a relationship with a male,a man, a boy on Instagram,

(01:11:03):
and that that relationship seemed to hebecame someone that you relied on, You
kind of maybe sought a little bitof comfort from with him or in him.
What was the common How did youmeet this guy on Instagram? And
how did that relationship start up?So it started like most of like my

(01:11:27):
friendships at the time, did orlike the guys I would talk to at
the time, but it's just kindof like they followed you had mutual followers,
mutual friends type of thing. Yeah, and then you start dming each
other or private messaging or whatever andstart talking. And then he just had
he claimed to have such a similarlife and such similar traumas that him and

(01:11:50):
his brother went through and his familyand I don't know, I trauma bonded
with him, I guess. Okay. And when you were kind of going
through his profile and stuff, didit seems suspicious at all that it seemed
like he was who he was ordid you you kind of see some holes
there? Kind of explain that.Honestly, he's looking back even as an

(01:12:14):
adult, I don't see any holesthat were in his profile. I just
wasn't smart enough at the time torealize, like, oh, I should
probably talk to this person on thephone first, I should probably video chat
them. But the profile seems legit. Okay, were you like fifteen,
sixteen, seventeen at this point orawl were you I was fifteen at this
point? Okay, and you andlike I said, I said, Rob

(01:12:40):
Man, I bet she can fight, and you had a there was a
big fight at the group home thatcaused you to potentially run away from the
group home. And really the onlyI guess, aside from your grandparents,
the only other person you had wasthis guy that you've been talking to on
Instagram. So when you fled thegroup home, which I didn't know you
could just run away from the grouphome, yeah, there in itself,

(01:13:01):
then you got out of that fucker. But uh, you you fled the
group home, and the person thatyou reached out to kind of as a
as a lifeline was was this guy? Is that? Am I understand that
correctly? Yeah? Pretty much?Um. He While we were talking,
she kept offering before I had leftthe group home, and he was like,

(01:13:25):
Oh, if you ever wanted awall, that's what they would call
it leaving placement. He's like,if you ever wanted a wall and you
need somewhere to go and you don'thave anywhere to go, you could come
with me. So I was like, this is like I knew from the
beginning that was like a terrible ideaand I never really planned to go through
it, but it was a fightthat had happened, and my probation officer
was telling me that I was goingto get locked back up for some nonsense,

(01:13:48):
and she just kind of said likesomething that was really mean and hateful
about like taking medication. She's like, you need to take your pretty little
pill to be that pretty little girlto stop messing up, and I don't
know like that, and then thefight that happened, it all kind of
just I was like, this isenough. I need to leave. I
don't care where I go. Ijust I can't be here anymore. And

(01:14:10):
that telps you so much about thesystem that people like that are the ones
that are in charge of helping ourhelping people, helping youth get into the
right mental state that they need tobe in to recover from all the trauma
that's unfolded in their life. Theseare the people being tasked with helping you
guys feel better, that say thingslike that, that do things like that,

(01:14:30):
So that there should be a alsowith this episode. I think there
should be a lot of people thatreally put a magnifying glass on that system,
I guess, And you know,really it puts it into perspective they're
not really helping you. All itis is essentially trying. These people are
just trying to keep you from fuckingkilling people and to keep you alive yourself

(01:14:54):
is essentially all it boils down to. Oh, and there's a lot of
money in it too, especially thejuvenile system. I remember one of the
staff at the juvenile halls that wasshe was really nice, you genuinely had
like a big heart for us andwanted to help you the youth and stuff
like that. She had told usthat each one of us, just based

(01:15:15):
off of like the uniform that wehad to wear, was worth like four
hundred dollars And that was just that, not including like all the other stuff
that comes into it, like themeals, the beds, like all that
crazy stuff. So it's a bigmoney thing as well. Yeah, it's
fucking America, baby. So youbusted out of there. You, I

(01:15:40):
guess you're messaging back and forth withhim and you say, hey, I'm
a wall I'm I'm out of here, and I want to come me with
you. And that did not goas plan. Go ahead and take a
step by step through how that thatunfolded, because this was the beginning of
this was the beginning of the nightmareright here and all of this and some
of you listeners say, well,she's already living a fucking nightmare at this

(01:16:00):
point. No, the nightmare startedwhen she ran away and she went to
go meet up with meet up withthis gentleman. Take us through that.
How that all transpired right there?Yeah, So let's see. I had
left the group home. We werelike texting back and forth. There is

(01:16:21):
a train station maybe like half ofa mile away, where he was like,
let's meet there, like, I'llpick you up. I just don't
want to get like caught or anythinglike that. I don't want them to
see my license plate or my caror whatever. So I walked to the
train station. He tells me it'slike a red color car and what type

(01:16:42):
of car to look out for andeverything. So I'm like looking around the
parking a lot of this train station, and mind you, it's like it's
pretty late at night. I wantto say, maybe like around ten or
eleven. And I'm like looking aroundand I swear to Odd straight up.
I don't believe in God necessarily,but I swear whoever or whatever. Then

(01:17:09):
it happened like straight up out ofa movie, where a car pulls up
next to me, nothing like whatwas described, and someone in the passenger
side, like comes up behind,comes up behind me and puts like a
towel over my mouth, and Iwake up in hours later, a day
later, I don't even know howlong later. It was in some random

(01:17:30):
room with some random people and somerandom teenager touching me, like touching my
private areas. Yeah, and that'swhat I woke up to, just out
of nowhere, like completely just itwas crazy. From the train station.
The last thing you remember is justkind of swirling in circles looking for this
car. Yeah. And then thenext thing you know, you wake up

(01:17:53):
and you're being you're being sexually assaulted. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah,
shit, now where you just It'slike you were still just texting with this
guy. You you hadn't even talkedto him yet, and you now,
how old? How old did youthink he was? My age he said
he was I want to say seventeen, so just a couple of years older

(01:18:15):
than me. And really we hadtalked on the phone once, but not
face time during like anything. That'strough fit. He was who he said
he was, but essentially what heessentially he was grooming you to to put
you in that exact position where theycould kidnap you you were kidnapped, Yeah,
definitely what he was doing. Didyou ever meet this guy? You

(01:18:40):
don't know? I don't. Inever met the guy that was in the
pictures. I met somebody else whoI think was um behind me account,
but I'm not one hundred percent sureif it was him. We never really
talked about that or got a chanceto talk about it. Sorry if I
missed this, But did you doyou? Do you know when I mean,

(01:19:02):
do you know how he originally?I know you said he contacted you
on Instagram? But do you knowhow he ended up finding you in the
first place. I have no idea, but part of me kind of thinks
that it may have been one ofthe other girls in the group home.
So a common thing in the grouphome was kind of like going back to

(01:19:23):
talking about how it's basically colm collegelike you're going and learning things that he
never knew anything about. A lotof common thing was sex trafficking. Trafficking.
There's a lot of girls who weregroomed and didn't realize they were groomed
and thought that they were living thisgreat life and would try to convince other
girls to be in it. AndI had one girl that would kind of

(01:19:45):
talk to me about that stuff andtry to get me to do it with
her, but I never wanted to. So I part of me thinks now
it might have been her pimp thatgot in contact with me. I'm not
really sure. Okay, you wakeup in this house? Was this like?
Was it an apartment? Wasn't ahouse? Was a trailer, wasn't
a what? Was it a warehouse? Do you know what it was?

(01:20:10):
Or apartments? Okay, it wasapartments? And it seems like it was
just like somebody's auntie and uncle's houseor apartment like it didn't I don't know.
It wasn't like a fucking flop housefor teenagers essentially pretty much? Yeah,
yeah, definitely m And were therea lot of people there or I

(01:20:33):
guess you're probably still kind of groggyat this point whenever you're uh, whenever
you first woke up. But didit seem like you were just there with
one guy or was there a lotof people there? So? Um,
it was the guy who was assaultingme, another guy like next to me
in that same bed, and thentwo other people conversating in another room.

(01:20:58):
Now when you asked like, hey, where the where the fuck, am,
I at what is going on?Did anybody tell you at any point
what you were doing or where you'reat? Now this is the part that
might seem kind of crazy, butI never really asked. I was kind
of just in shock, and Ididn't, like, in my head,
I'm just like all I messed up? Like what do I do? Like
I was just I kind of frozeup in the situation. Like I didn't

(01:21:23):
ask any questions. I kind ofknew what it was, like, I
knew I had messed up. Iknew I had been taken and kidnapped by
somebody. I didn't know what itwas going to lead to. I just,
um, I kind of knew Ihad messed up. Hey, So
it fucking breaks my heart that,like you were in such a bad situation

(01:21:44):
and the situation you woke up andyou were so accustomed to awfulness, to
just despair and a shitty living situationyou said, oh, fuck, this
is what it is. You know, this is this is life and it
makes me sad. Um, I'mso happy you're here with as Haley,

(01:22:04):
and I'm I'm I'm happy that uhum, Yeah, I'm glad you found
the hopefully hopefully well before we getto the end of the story, I
hope you found the other side.I don't want I don't want to spoil
it. And I guess from thereyou start spending your time. Do they
kind of give you immediate access todrugs or did you have to do you

(01:22:27):
say, hey, like I'm tryingto fucking score some shit or how how
did that start? Um? Sohe kind of would give me things here
and there, the guy who endedup like being the one to make me
do all the stuff that I endedup having to do. And it was
more so to just kind of shutme up and to get me to do

(01:22:49):
it because I froze up and Iwouldn't do anything, like I was the
worst person to kidnap and put inthat situation because I would get into cars
with with the tricks. I guessyou could call them and um I would.
I would literally say like, I'ma miner, I don't want to
do this, I'm afraid, andthey would tell me to just get out.

(01:23:10):
Or I would just sit there andbe like I don't want to do
this, like and they would justtell me get out of their car.
So I'd come back like time aftertime with no money, no money.
And when you say a trick,that's pretty much the same as a that's
what that's like, going car tocar doing your thing every night. That's
called turn a trick. I guessin some parts of the country that John
would be the the guy that's attemptingto purchase the services. UM. And

(01:23:35):
I think trying to stick to UM, just trying to stick to this email
you sent us to kind of layeverything out. UM. Not long.
Yeah, let me let me askquestion. So, from from the time
that you woke up initially when youfirst arrived there, about how long was
it before they had you, uh, you know, running them on in

(01:24:00):
the game? I should say itwas pretty much that night after I woke
up to being assaulted. They tookpictures of me and put them on back
page. So I kind of thinkit was an inexperienced pimp who didn't really
know what he was doing because hehad taken pictures of me and I was
trying to figure out like how toput them on back page. But I
guess she needed like bitcoin or somethingalong those lines, so he couldn't figure

(01:24:24):
that out and ended up just like, oh, I'm just gonna have her
walk the streets. But it wasthat same night that it started. That
fucking night. Now, I've reada lot of um, kind of going
through these horror I shouldn't say horrorstories, but I've read through these fucking
stories of how it use. Thepimps. They prefer not just like fresh,

(01:24:51):
They don't prefer to, I guess, get these girls theirselves. They
prefer to have like a se seasoned, a seasoned girl, get the girl
that they'll be using. So um, it's kind of hard for a pimp
just to pick out a random girloff the street. Whereas some of their

(01:25:14):
more well seasoned we'll call them,we call them prostitutes or girls. Some
of their more well seasoned girls,they count on them to essentially prey upon
girls like Haley and fine girls.They they fit, they think they fit
a certain a certain mold. Andto even go back to that one girl
you talked about in the group homethat you said that was trying to get

(01:25:36):
you to, that's what I wasgonna say, that that m kind of
fits with. That's such a andin my mind, I got, you
know, daughter, a daughter that'salmost that age. To think about there's
girls out there that age going throughthat it just it breaks my heart,
It crushes me. But I thoughtthere would be some type of warm up

(01:25:57):
period, try and get you strongout dope, get you fucking dope sick.
I figured to be like a weekor so. So they do.
They just pretty much just say likeyou're gonna do this or we're gonna kill
you type thing. Yeah, exactly. That. Um, there's there's a
few different types of pimps and afew different methods that they have. There
definitely is that gets you strung outon dope. There's the ones who will
straight up beat the shit out ofyou and say go make money for me,

(01:26:20):
or I'm gonna kill you tonight.And that's basically the type of I
believe the name Port is a gorillapimp, and that's the time a type
of pimp that I was dealing with. Unfortunately. Yeah, so he roughed
me up and was like, gogo make money or you know, I'm
gonna kill you that first do youremember? Do you remember the first night?

(01:26:40):
Is the first night that he sentyou out. Um, it's kind
of all blur. Maybe it's it'skind of a blur. All of all
of that is a blur. Imean, I think I remember, I
think it's the first night, butall of the knights kind of just are
one big blur. Yeah, well, let me we'll jump back into the

(01:27:02):
questions here. I that do youWhat was it like to come back from
Did he just send you out?I think in the email he said he
would follow you in some instances whileyou were trying to turn tricks, and
sometimes he would just send you out. But what were you making? Were

(01:27:24):
you making money or turning tricks?Whenever he was following you? I know
there you kind of said in theemail that he would send you off by
yourself and you just quit bringing moneyback. But whenever he was, when
he was watching over you and followingyou, was he I guess? Was
he profiting off of you in thatsituation? Yeah? I didn't. I

(01:27:45):
didn't really have a choice. Whenhe would follow me. It was kind
of like the John's or tricks knewwhat it was because usually you could tell
a prostitute by a pimp walking acertain amount of distance behind them yea,
and like they knew never to like, you know, go very far or

(01:28:06):
anything like that. So um,he would tell like us, tell me
a specific location to go do withthe person and it would be like like
right around the area, like apark or something to where they could park
and then you know, do thebusiness. Yeah. Um, and how

(01:28:26):
I mean, I guess the wasit. I got so many questions and
I feel so I feel I feelbad picking at this wound. I feel
like I'm digging into a lot ofbad stuff that's traumatic for you to kind
of reflect upon. So if youknow, if you do need to take
a break or something you don't wantto talk about, just just tell us.

(01:28:47):
Um, I think that that would. First of all, that fucking
sucks that they they groomed you andessentially there was no there was no bucket
of the end of the rainbow.The plan the entire time was for them
to prey upon you and to essentiallyput you in this situation. But were

(01:29:10):
there other girls around you that weredoing this as well, that you you
know, that you got to Iguess conversate with or talk to or you
just kind of out there by yourself. Unfortunately I was out there by myself
aside from the one or two otherwomen that would be out there, but
the ones that I came in contactwith were gone off of drugs beyond like

(01:29:39):
conversation. They were so high andso strung out on whatever their pimps had
got them on that they just knewto get in the car and have sex
with men and that's it, Andhow it was really lonely. Yeah,
and you would just you would gowork and then you would go back to
this same flop apartment every night wherethey you first woke up. And for

(01:30:01):
the first couple days, yeah,then he um, he started getting us
hotels so we would walk. Helike he had no cars, so we
would just walk like miles and milesand miles. And this entire time.
He didn't feed me but once.And the only time that I ate was
because I was walking back to thehotel and somebody was like dropping off somebody's

(01:30:27):
door dash like as as I waswalking up to the hotel and the like
is this for you? And Iwas like yeah, so I feel still
bad for that person, but youknow how to do what I had to
do. They got their money back. Yeah, you needed it more than
that person point for sure. AndI don't. And through my through my

(01:30:54):
infinite travels, I've met I've metpimps, I've met prostitutes, I've I've
met drug dealers. I've met murderers, and you can tell a lot.
I mean, there's always certain thingsabout people that I could that I would
pick up on. But talking toyou, Haley, you really seem like
someone that was legitimately just fucking thrustinto something that you wanted nothing to do

(01:31:17):
with. It was not who youare. Um, it was not your
lifestyle. There's some women you meetYou're like, yeah, that's probably should
probably crackhead or something like. Youknow, definitely, definitely, definitely don't
get that vibe from you. Butthey did. Uh, you know,
you did have it. You youspoke about it, You did have a

(01:31:39):
you were fighting addiction whenever you youshowed up on the doorstep of this place,
and I think they did. Didyour addiction progress at all? Did
they they introduce you to heroin ordid the did you just stick to the
pills that you were on. Howdid your your addiction progress once you started?
Uh? We don't. She kindof were being trafficked essentially. Um

(01:32:05):
So some of the stuff he gaveme, I have no idea what it
was. I know when I gotin Juvenile Hall and when all this comes
to an end, I was comingdown and having withdrawals from whatever he had
had me on. And I neverreally got the toxicology or whatever that they

(01:32:26):
had taken at the juvenat hall becausethey it's like all these legal things that
they can't release stuff like that tothe minor or something like that. So,
um, I'm not sure what Iwas on, but I was definitely
on something that had me going throughwithdrawals. Okay, you how many how

(01:32:47):
many nights? How many weeks wereyou were? You were you caught up
working for this guy? Do youdo you know how long the amount of
time was you're actually working with himoff hand? A little less than a
month from the times that I leftto the time I got picked up or
put back into the system. Um, yeah, about a month and one

(01:33:12):
night. Um, you know yousaid that he would follow behind you and
make sure you were doing what you'resupposed to supposed to be doing you and
then you said at one point hewould start to give you I wouldn't say
freedom is not the right word,but he essentially would just sending you out
to do it by yourself. Andthere was an evening that you've met up

(01:33:34):
with a you passed a police officerat the seven to eleven and you you
made a mad dash to him tosay, hey, I need fucking help
talk to us about how that thattransaction went between you and the officer.
Yeah. So one of the earlyon nights, I want to say,

(01:33:55):
maybe within like the second week orend of the first week, he had
sent me on a loan, andwe were by a seven to eleven,
a gas station, and a donutstore and I went to, I want
to say, the seven eleven firstor the gas station first, one of
them they're right next to each other, and I asked if I could use
their phone to call the police.And the guy was really weird about it.

(01:34:17):
He was like no, no,you can't use my phone. No,
get out, like he just mademe leave. So I was like
okay. So I went to eitherthe gas station or the seven eleven next
store to the other place that Iwas at, and I asked him can
I use their phone um to callthe police? And literally as soon as
soon as I asked, there's policeoutside arresting somebody. And he's like like

(01:34:42):
again out of like a movie scene. He's like turn around, like they're
outside, like go talk to himhimself. I was like, what the
hell blew my mind away. Butthat was like, okay, your ticket
out of there. Though. Yeah, I was like okay, like finally
I'm going to get to get out. And I go up to the cop
with this He had a motorcycle helmeton and he was just going back to

(01:35:06):
his bike. I want to say, to write paperwork on the guy they
had just arrested or something. AndI told him like I'm a miner,
I'm on the run, please helpme. And it was something short and
simple, just like that, andhe looked me up and down like I
was the scum of the earth.And he was like, I'm busy,
come back or something along those lines, and I'm busy. Like he just

(01:35:30):
made me feel awful, like lookedat me like I was just like this
parable person, you know, likeI was the criminal. So I walked
away. Yep, yep, they'reawful. They're awful. And I walked
away and like I was back tothe hotel, Like the cop car could
still see me walking back to whereI was going, and they ended up

(01:35:54):
pulling out finished with the arrest andthey passed me by and didn't stop or
anything. Oh that's so fucking terrible. And then and they did an awful
part of the story to me.They didn't they didn't help. They left
you. They And then when youwent back to the hotel that night,
protect and serve, Protect and serve, man. And when you went back

(01:36:15):
to the hotel that night, youhad nothing, You had no money,
you didn't turn any tricks, andyour your pimp took his anger out on
you. Am I am, Iright, yeah, out of me that
night. Yeah time. Yeah,oh god, I'm you know, I'm

(01:36:35):
sorry. Uh, I'm sorry youwent through that. And if I ever
see that motherfucker out, the pimpand the cop, right, the pimp,
whatever, the cop is, whoI want. That's fucked up,
man, You know that would beinga police officer. That's your that's your

(01:36:59):
bread and butterman, kids, savingkids and saving women. That's why you
become a police officer. Man.Yeah, to save a girl being traffic
like a teenager, that's why youjoin the police force. That fucking free
fountain drinks at seven to eleven.Shit, I know how it goes.

(01:37:19):
I think, Um, yeah,dude, we need to fucking find that
guy and fight him. For sure, he's probably a pussy, he's probably
got one of those like brass,truck nuts and stuff, you know,
probably riding a Harley at work.Such a scent became even wait until he
gets home. He has to riseHarley at work too. That was that?

(01:37:43):
Was that the first night that youwent out by yourself? I know
you said it only happened a fewtimes, but um, I guess I
yeah, that would make sense thatthat would be your first night. If
the first night out by yourself,you the first police officer you found you
you cried for help. Yeah,it was the first night that I remember
him letting me go out by myself. And then and yeah, in turn,

(01:38:06):
the next night you went out andhe said, listen, if you
don't come back with money this time, I'm gonna fucking kill you, right
yeah? Can I yeah? CanI ask you a really stupid and not
trying to make it seem insensitive,but just curiosity. What kept you that
first time that you were out?Just from just running not knowing where I

(01:38:30):
was at and being very I wasvery naive at the time and just kind
of like scared and whimpy about thewhole thing, Like I didn't think to
run anywhere else because I was like, he's gonna find me. If I
go ANYWHERELD, It's like this ismy only chance, like there being like
a gas station here and like memaybe getting to call the police. But

(01:38:54):
I was just scared, Okay,I understand. I figured it was something
along obviously the nights that he followedyou. You know, you really don't
have that option, you know,But we were these when these guys would
get you in the car or whateverand you would tell them that you'd tell
them that you're a miner, andyou would tell them that you weren't.

(01:39:15):
It's like you weren't doing what theywanted to do. Were you Were you
getting like, um, were yougetting like attacked by the by the johns
as well, or were you strictlyas the the physical abuse was only coming
from from your pimp or you cut, were you getting it from from the
street as well? Um, justthe pimp. No, the john's pretty

(01:39:38):
much no better than to do that, um, because a pimp will pretty
much kill a john for for likeputting hands on one of his girls.
Yeah, but um, they'd getreally mean and really nasty with me,
like get the funk out of mycar, Like what are you in here
for that? Get that like justjust angry and mean and very hostile.
Yeah. Shoot, I had acouple of them throw like dollar bills a

(01:40:00):
me and say, fine, justget the fuck out, okay. Fuck
man, thanks thanks, thanks,Oh my god, you're so you're so
nice and sweet and like the morethe more and more I talk to you,
I'm just like, man, Ifucking hate this happening around. It
just it sucks. And um,you know, we'll kill We'll kill any

(01:40:26):
of those people that you want usto. I'll take care of it,
you think, Um, do youstill I mean, I'm sure you're you
still live kind of where you ranaround? Essentially, do you ever run
into people's today that you remember fromthe street, or you know, do
you ever see your your pimp aroundor um, what's what's that like?

(01:40:49):
So thankfully no, I've never raninto any of the Johns or any of
the pimps because I live like onthe outskirts of LA right now, and
a place that it took place init was like Stanborded, you know,
so we're out towards like that area, which was like an hour and a
half two hours away from where I'mat, So I hardly am ever over

(01:41:10):
there, never have come across anybodyfrom over there thankfully. Yeah, well
that's good. Yeah, I'm surethat would be definitely a triggering situation to
say the least. Oh yeah,definitely. So that that night he came
back and you didn't have any money, he just really, you know,

(01:41:33):
really roughed you up. That nextnine he sent you out and said,
look, if you if this happensagain, I'm going to have no choice
but to kill you. So you'reyou're going out for the night by yourself
again with that weighing on your consciousthat, okay, one, the police
are not going to help me,even if I do go to him too.
If I if I come back withno money, I'm likely going to

(01:41:54):
be murdered. That was the nightwhen Rob asked the question, why didn't
you just run that night that youknew you weready you would potentially get killed
on the way back last night thatyou ran for for lack of a better
term, yeah, um, soI just I, like I said,

(01:42:15):
I was just afraid and and couldn'trun, and you know, didn't feel
I think it was a good idea. And I want to say, maybe
like two or three days after,I feel because I'm okay. So I'll
tell you, I don't really havethe time frame all perfect because it's all
one big jumbles, and he hadyou fucked up on something, and yeah,

(01:42:43):
you were dope sick whenever you wentback to the facility after you were
finally picked up off the street bythe government. Essentially, I shouldn't say
people that wanted to help you,but the system picked you back up.
So for so for anyone listening tothis to say, well, she's she
doesn't even remember, well, helikely had you. I would say he
probably had you strung out on onheroin or fenton all or he had you

(01:43:06):
he had you on something that hadyou altered to where you were dealing with
some fucking psychosis, dealing with alittle bit of hey, where the fuck
am I at? What's going on? And he kept you strung out,
And that even if you and youeven spoke to the fact that even at
the time you were a bit naive, so you may have been doing things

(01:43:29):
that you didn't even realize you werepartaking in. So for they want to
say, like, oh, shedoesn't know the time frame, you don't
have to explain yourself. You werefucking you were dealing with a lot you're
potentially, unbeknownst to you, strungout on an unknown type of narcotic or
drug or whatever. It was.So for you to say, oh,

(01:43:50):
the timeline is a little hazy.In my mind, that makes complete sense
because of what you were dealing with. But there was the night that you
finally said, Okay, enough isa n and you you, um,
I guess you reached out for help. Just was it at a bus stop
or how how did that happen?So? Um, I had ended up

(01:44:15):
getting lost, So we got separated. So I got into a car with
somebody and they ended up taking mefarther from where, like the location at
the Pimphlas. So we got lostand I could not find him, and
I ended up going and excuse me, into a neighborhood and sleeping on somebody's
like porch for like maybe an hourthirty minutes tops, and then I like

(01:44:41):
couldn't really see because it was likea hard wooden like bench I slept off.
So I was like, Okay,I'm just gonna like try to go
walk and see if I can findhim. And because I had got to
a point where it's like I didn'twant to go anywhere else but with him
because I didn't know where I wasat, like you were saying, like

(01:45:04):
I was on drugs and stuff sharedthis whole time, naive, Like I
was just like I want to bewith him because at least this is all
I know right now. And Iended up going and sitting in a bus
stop and this random drunk dude whojust got off of work at party City
like birthday decorations, got off workand he was drunk, yes, like

(01:45:33):
he had a beer in his handlike he was It's like he just got
off of work, just got somebeers and was already drunk, just walking.
He like walked up to the busstop, and I think he gets
he was like maybe mid twenties,um, early twenties, and I think
he could tell that something was off, Like I hadn't showered in the whole

(01:45:58):
month, Like he never gave mea chance to hour really changed my clothes,
so I was disgusting, Like Idon't I don't even, man,
I don't even understand how people wantedto pick me up anyway. Yeah,
so I'm showered, like at allthat I could remember. He may have
showered me when I was like,you know, blacked out high or something,

(01:46:20):
but I pretty much stunk so badat the end, and I think
he could tell just by like howI looked, um, my clothes,
like the glaze overlook at my eyesand just all that. And he he
was like where are you going orwhat are you doing? And I was
like, oh, I'm waiting formy cousin, like just just some bullshit

(01:46:42):
excuse. And he was like,oh, are you sure? Do you
want to come, like have abeer and smoke some leave with me or
something. And at this point Iwas like, He's like, you could
use my shower too, And Iwas like, um, he really,
He's like, you fucking stink.Let me like, you just got off
work at parties city you try totell me so yeah he um. He

(01:47:11):
was like he offered all that stuff, and I was basically like, you
know what, I don't have anythingto lose, Like, fuck it,
what's the worst that can happen?So, honestly, what's the worst that
could happen? You could have beenhonestly, could have been restarting the cycle
at that point and not even noteven realized. But thankfully, you know,
we said you don't believe in God, but he was your fucking guardian

(01:47:35):
Angel. Yeah, he really was, and I wish I could find him
and think him, but I've neverbeen able to find that person ever again.
But anyways, so we ended upwalking to his apartment or his parents,
I don't know who it was,family members, somebody who's staying with

(01:47:55):
and he like, let me shower, let me change, got me some
food. We smoked some weed.He gave me some alcohol, and he
was like in the morning, I'lltell you where. He even washed my
clothes like really nice and didn't anythinglike. He was just like like I
got you, like I'll help youout, and he said in the morning

(01:48:17):
he would let me know, umlike what trains to take to get because
he asked me where I was fromand everything and like like where I lived
and did I have somebody I wasstaying with or something, and tell him
like, hey, I'm fucking I'mbeing held captive right now. I you
know, not quite because I waskind of like I don't know I was.

(01:48:43):
I don't think he'd believe me.I didn't know if it was worth
telling somebody. Um So I justkind of like was like, okay,
he's gonna give me directions to getthe funk out of here. So I
wake up in the morning, hesends he like gives me breakfast, sends
me off, and told me whattrain stations to take and trains to take
to get to where my grandparents lived, which is about like two hour train

(01:49:08):
ride or something like that. SoI take all these different trains. I
end up getting lost a little bitin like Hollywood, and then figure my
way out back to where I'm supposedto go the route I was supposed to
take, and then finally, bythe grace of whatever the fuck, I
made it to my grandparent's house andI never heard from him again, Like

(01:49:29):
I was blocked on everything by thepimp, Like as soon as I got
to my grandparents house and was ableto like check my stuff. Yeah,
but yeah, I've never been ableto like find him. The police kind
of talk to me a little bitwhen I was in juvenile hall and they're
starting a case, but they nevergot back to me or did anything about
it. Yeah, you tell themthey already dropped the ball once you weren't

(01:49:50):
trying to help him out again.Yeah, yeah, man, And what
happened after you made it back toyour grandparents They say, all right,
you can chill here, they sayno, back to the group home.
Oh yeah. My grandma was nothaving it. So my grandpa could tell.
My grandpa knew something was really off, and he wanted to let me

(01:50:12):
stay to night and shower because Ithink he was like, you steam,
you look strung out, like lether just spend the night, will feed
or something. And my grandma waslike, absolutely not, like that's harboring,
harboring a fugitive, Like I'm not. She's like, I'm not going
to be an accessory. J Yeah. So she was like, I'm not

(01:50:35):
having it. So they let meshower and everything. My grandpa and my
sister took me to um like McDonald'sand then ended up taking me to the
juvenile Hall and I ended up spendinglike a month in there, and my
grandparents like, we're finally like,okay, we'll let you come back home
and try back at home. Andthat's where you've been ever since for the

(01:51:00):
most part. Yeah okay, yeah, and you think I mean I ended
up going back to Juida Hall,but you know, I made my way
back here. You're you're doing goodnow though, right? Yeah? Doing
great now? Um, finally figuredout what I wanted to do. Career
what I want to do career wise. So I'm in school to be a

(01:51:20):
vet. Right now, I workat a vet or a veterinarian hospital,
an emergency clinic. Um, I'ma vet assistant. I really enjoy like
working with animals. I found thatthat's like my passion. And I've also
done a little bit of Sorry,go ahead, that's why you wanted to
come on this show because you likedealing with animals. No, that's go

(01:51:45):
on with what you're saying. I'mexcited to hear all this, So go
ahead with what you were saying.Um, let's see. I was just
saying that I've also done like alittle bit of speaking as well. I
spoke to some law students at Pepperdinewho were in their final year of law
school, and I get, like, are getting their PhD or something along

(01:52:06):
those lines. And I guess oneof the things that they have to do
is try to change like a locallaw on like a smaller scale level type
of thing. And I spoke tothem about like my story with sex trafficking,
and they were trying to change itto where the law currently or I
don't know if they ended up changingit or not. At the time was

(01:52:30):
if you're caught sex trafficking a minor, it's not considered a strike or a
violent offense, so they're able tobasically do like half of their time and
get out and there's like no strikeon their record or anything like. So
they were trying to change that towhere it's a strike and it's considered a
violent offense, so they have toserve their full time. So I just

(01:52:53):
kind of speaking to them and givinglike my story and they're like asking for
like, are questions and stuff thatcould help there a little uh study,
I guess, I'm not sure whatto call it any like a case study
type or not. In a casestudy, they're just they're trying to change
some trying to change some laws andshit. Man um yeah, what um

(01:53:16):
for someone that might be listening tothis show that's caught in the same predicament
as you, in the same situation. I know a lot of a lot
of people get stuck in this viciouscycle for years, for months and months.
While you're not fortunate at all inthis situation. I guess that one
of the most fortunate things about thisis you you you you know, you

(01:53:39):
said you you know about a monthis all the amount of time you spent
where you were being subjected to thestreets. You're being subjected to being sexually
assaulted, you're a minor, you'rebeing trafficked. If someone last last ditch
effort here that's listening to the show, what what advice would you give to

(01:53:59):
someone that is just trying to finda way out, that is looking for
that lifeline. What in the beginningof the show we to drop in the
the the trafficking hotline where you canreach out to that. But what from
from Haley's eyes, what what advicewould you give? Um? The advice

(01:54:19):
I would give is to reach outto somebody, Like as much as you
think that it's helpless and you're stuckin this forever and it's all that you
know and that's all that you're worth, it is because of the point I
know, it starts to feel likethis is this is all I'm worth,
Like I'm not worth anything more thanthis. Um, It's just you have

(01:54:45):
to you have to reach out tosomebody, and you have to find it
within yourself to be strong enough toknow that you're not worth being laid up
every night with some random men andnot taking home any of the money that
you that you may and being beatand being told that you know you're gonna
be killed if you don't make thismoney for these men. Like it's say,

(01:55:13):
you're worth more than you think.All the degrading and the grooming aside,
You're you're a lot more worth morethan you think. And there's so
much help out there. There's somany small organizations that will take you in,
that will find you homes, thatwill help you get an education,
help you get your driver's license,help you get cars. Shoot, I

(01:55:35):
had a mentor from working within likethe community of sex trafficking and like getting
help and things like that after thefact. Who when I turned I want
to say nineteen, he like gotme a car, like full on paper
and everything just to be able tohelp me get into school and to do

(01:55:58):
all the things that I wanted todo. Like he got me into school
and into a program to where theywere helping me with like food and all
different type of things. Like thereare some amazing people out there. Yes,
there are some people that will giveand give and give and give and
only do it just out of thegenuine kindness of their hearts, just because
they're good people. So as muchas that life can jade you and make

(01:56:21):
you think that there's nobody good outthere, that you're not worth anything,
I promise you there are just asmany, if not more, good people
in this world that want to showyou that you are. That you're amazing,
you know, and you're not justwhat the streets hasn't made you become,
you know. I mean, mythat thing like where your throat starts

(01:56:45):
to water a lot right before youstart crying, My throat was doing that
when she was telling all that stuff. How got your car? And you?
Otherwise just thinking about your situation,Ail, you could have been fucking
you could have just went from nothingto nothing. You could have just been
dead in the water, left abad situation and landed in another bad situation.

(01:57:08):
But fortunately there's people out there that, uh, you know, kind
of saw you, seen seen youthrough it, and I hope that,
um, I hope that you'll continueto build on all of the awesome shit
you're doing your life. UM.I just want to tell you, you
know, we think the world ofyou. You really are a fucking ray
of sunshine. I don't know ifanyone's ever told you that, or if

(01:57:28):
you've heard that lately. But fromthe moment we've we've connected with you here,
you've you've you've made a smile andyou made you've made me feel welcome.
And I know you had a storyto tell, but also I didn't
really think about how awesome of aperson we get to meet, we're gonna
get to meet, So thank youfor that. And if, um,
if we have anyone that reaches out, sends us an email or something like

(01:57:50):
that, will definitely shoot him yourway, because I know you'd be happy
to maybe even without asking, youwould be happy to talk somebody through a
situation like this. Have given theopportunity, yes, anytime, And I
have plenty of your resources for anybodygoing through that. I keep in contact
with a bunch of different small organizationsthat would be able to help you get

(01:58:11):
out of that life. And andyou don't live a life that you're meant
to live, not one where you'rebeing exploited and abused. No, but
we are. We are tremendously thankful, and I you know, it's the
best part about all this is youaren't just someone we met, you know,
you're You're someone that's been listening tothe show for a long time.
So through your struggle, through everythingyou went through, you know the we've

(01:58:35):
been there with you, and we'regoing to continue to be there with you.
I don't ever hesitate to reach outto us. As I've been told,
I give tremendous fucking advice the best. So if you ever find yourself
in a situation where you need totalk, you know, I'm sure you've
got a lot done low and yougotta quite the demons you live with.

(01:58:56):
If if you ever find yourself inthat situation, We're always here for you,
Haley. Okay, Oh, thankyou, guys. I really appreciate
that. Yes, And I alsowant to tell you without and this is
not a joke, that was onegood looking kitty you had crawl around the
background. I am a bit ofa I am a cat. I am

(01:59:17):
a kitty cat kind of sewer.Okay, look at that kitty. Is
that a is that a boy kitty? Or oh that kitty is big stretch?
Yeah, look at him. What'swhat's his name? His name is
Alice. I thought he was agirl at first, so he got a
girl name. Look at Alice Cooper. Yeah, it's a really big yeah,

(01:59:43):
some big balls and that cat,Alice, that's A. That's A.
That's good always A. That's likeone of my favorite part. Not
only do I love meeting the peoplethat we get to meet through our travels,
but when we get the opportunity tomeet their animals, Yeah, I
love that just as much. It'scool to cool to see other animals out
there just living the fucking good life, you know. But um, all

(02:00:05):
right, well I we will cutoff the interview here, but we're gonna
talk to you without recording for afew more minutes. But um, once
again, from the Brohio nation,thank you so much to you and Alice
for coming on the show and thetime you you gave us. And I
truly mean that you're You're a You'rea beautiful person. You have a huge

(02:00:27):
heart, and you have a lotto offer the world to don't ever feel
anything other than that. Okay,thank you guys. I really appreciate you
guys having me and being so welcomeme. I really appreciate it. Yeah,
we're fucking we were ultimate fucking dadsare The pleasure was all ours,
trust us and we'll can't wait toget this episode up. And if you

(02:00:47):
guys want, you can send usan email Brohio Podcast at gmail dot com.
If you do want to talk toum, talk to Haley. We'll
get you hooked up with her.She's got all kinds of resources at her
disposal, and she's got good advice. She's not gonna be able to give
you a new fucking car, butshe can possibly point you to the god
Den. You might be getting anemail for me, who knows. I
went out this morning and the vanhad a flat tire, so I'm just

(02:01:09):
thinking about rolling the thing in thestreet. Whoever takes it takes us.
But once again, thank you Hayleyso much. We'll catch up with you
next time. Okay, all right, thank you guys. I want to

(02:01:43):
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