Texas Love: Sally McNelly & Shane Stewart

Texas, 1988. We dig into the San Angelo case of Sally McNelly & Shane Stewart—fireworks at Lake Nasworthy, a Camaro that turns up miles away, and a chilling aftermath that collided with the late-’80s Satanic Panic. Straight timeline, hard facts, and the most plausible theories—no fluff, just everything that still doesn’t add up.

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Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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(01:20):
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(01:41):
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Speaker 4 (01:48):
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Speaker 3 (01:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:54):
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to buy them before. Now we're looking for someone kind
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Out, someone who's about to sell a testicle.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
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if I give these tickets away you bring bring a
fucking kid, dude.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
If you bring your kid, I'm giving them beer.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I'll lock them out.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
We're getting that kid drunk.

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cartel down there, or maybe some attending. I've been reading
about ways to get sex traffic by the cartel, okay,
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Speaker 3 (02:28):
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Speaker 2 (02:31):
So I will be. You know, I'm not trying to
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Speaker 3 (02:41):
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Speaker 1 (02:48):
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Speaker 3 (02:56):
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Speaker 2 (03:00):
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care how small you are.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I think that'd be a turn off for someone that
wanted to find someone into sex traffic. Yeah, I feel
like they did. They don't. Yeah, they don't want willing
participants right right, tainted.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
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Speaker 3 (03:20):
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Speaker 2 (03:21):
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Speaker 3 (03:24):
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Speaker 2 (03:28):
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will have a live show for you. We've got it
all planned out. We've got a fun evening and that's
gonna involve you. We're gonna be doing some improv, We're
gonna be holding Brohio court, which will be partaking in
a lot of fun, a lot of fun things planned.
We got a special finale plan for you that might
make you leave. I don't know. Hopefully you'll stick around.

(03:51):
But nonetheless, that's October eleventh. Doors are gonna open at
six pm. And this isn't one of those things where
you go to and then you know and now welcome
to the stage. Just in like a strip club. We'll
be there as soon as you get there. We'll you know,
hang out, we'll chat, we'll we'll have drink beer, we'll
have fun and it'll be a great time. And speaking

(04:13):
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upset because every time we take her to Pigeon Forde
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Speaker 3 (05:09):
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and play it.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
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around there and she'd make weird mouth noises and you
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Speaker 2 (05:42):
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Speaker 3 (05:45):
I remember that.

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Speaker 3 (06:33):
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Speaker 2 (06:35):
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Speaker 3 (06:37):
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(06:59):
zoom calls, much more.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Good times. Be there, do it.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Woman behind hoax at Joint Base MDL in New Jersey,
wanted to trauma bond with co workers. Documents say that's
so sweet. Malika Brittingham, the woman in custody for making
a false report of an active shooter at Joint Base
Maguire Dix Lakehurst. Wow, there's dick there in New Jersey.

(07:26):
She calls a lockdown, saying she wanted to trauma bond
with her coworkers.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Like, oh my god, they're gonna fucking give us. Oh
my thanking, you went old hands.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Fuck, we're gonna die.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Fuck.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
What's fucking demented? Man? That is so demented you cause
a lockdown situation. Her first thing is maybe I'll make
some friends.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
They'll have no choice.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Put to me, my friend. That's satisfucked.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I know how we can get out of here. I
know how we can stop the shooter. A criminal can
point filed in federal court, said Brittingham, who works for
the Naval Air Warfare Center in Maryland, but as a signed
a Joint Base MDL, texted someone around ten to fifteen,
writing that a shooter was on the base, that she
had heard five or six gunshots, and that she was

(08:14):
hiding in a closet with coworkers.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
The text well, it pompted a prompt a fucking lockdown,
the lockdown, which drew statewide attention and multiple social media posts.
The governor, I'm sorry, the commander that our priority is
a safety and security of everyone on the installation. Of course,
we work closely with local law enforcement emergency responders to

(08:39):
ensure the situation was investigated and resolved as quickly as possible.
Brittingham initially told authorities that she did not send the
text message until she was told to shelter in place,
according to the complaint, but further investigation regarding the timing
prove that the light detector doesn't determine.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
That was a lie wampomp.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
She eventually admitted that she sent the text anew there
was no active shooter, Prosecutors said. She told investigators she
carried out the hoax because she had been ostracized by
her coworkers and hoped that their shared experience and response
to an active shooter would allow them to trauma bond.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
That's wild.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Oh my god, we're gonna fucking die.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Everybody, come get in the closet with me.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
They're gonna blow her fucking wins out. Everyone getting this
broom closet with me.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Fuck, I promise that is the most miserable type of
human being on the entire planet.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's really impressive. It's impressively stupid.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Like you're younger, your girlfriend's like, I want to break up,
and you're like, I'm just gonna fucking kill myself.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, kind of falls along this one.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
It's literally the same thing.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
That is a crazy level of desperation.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
You gotta break up with someone and she's like, well,
i'm pregnant.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
You'll never see that.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Good luck knowing your child. Queer, you don't love me,
you're gay.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I have a video of you. Second dick, and I'm
gonna send your friends. Who's dick. Nobody's dick, my dad's dick.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Please bond with me.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Please get in the spring closet. We can't get shot.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Now there's a guy with a gun.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh yeah, well I'm pregnant.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Fucking weird bitch.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
He was ostracized.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
What do you expect her to do? Don't bring birds
into this thumba's kind dude, one of those big bastards
ever do He's.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Seen that fucking video on the internet of the dude
he's inside dick sporting goods or like Cabella's. And he's like,
I want to check out that shotgun. And then the
old man that's selling shotguns hands on the gun. It's
some like nineteen twenty year old kid.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, and then as soon as he hands.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
On the gun, the kid holds the fucking gun up.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
He says, everybody go to the fucking ground.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Shot the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
And the old man's like, what the fuck is wrong
with you?

Speaker 3 (11:09):
That's hilarious, that's good. That's definitely a fucking inducing panic.
Got a fucking rifle in his hand or a shotgun.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Everybody get on the ground, prank. Let's see if I
can find this.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Oh god, I found it perfect. He looks like a
cabello is I don't know, maybe that kid.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Looks like he's like twenty two.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Some ship.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
It really does the fucking ground.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
I just want to any way to get yourself shot heads,
really stoopid thing to do.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
You don't care. No, no, he's gives a ship. No,
there we go. Then you're in a bass pro shop, sir,

(12:10):
this is a taco bell. He yelled at so loud,
holding a cameo.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
He's training to be a cop.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I love it. You know you know he's not training
to be a cop because he didn't yell out of
a minority. He's like, go fucking ground, dude, Hell dude,
he fucking screamed it. Wow. Ground. The guys behind the

(12:51):
counter immediately, what then is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
The best part is the little like the croachy ones,
like we don't have guns, but we'll shoot you.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
A good way to get yourself shot.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
He's a really stupid thing to do.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Don't carry.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
You do that in a gun store? Like, where the
fuck am I?

Speaker 3 (13:09):
There's a whole wall of guns. Bind. Wow, dude, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
It's fun, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
I want to do that.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's trauma bonding right there.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Those two old men are trauma bonding.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
They were all friends there for a minute.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Here's a quick break from our trauma our our sponsored
trauma bonders Anonymous. All right, thank you for that one.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Trauma. You don't have to be lonely.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Trauma bonding dot.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Com ground.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
All right, this is a murder in Texas.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Kids got some huge balls hanging between slapping and knocking
when he walks around, clanking and clacking. Yeah, we're keeping
our fucking uh Texas theme going on with this episode. Huh,
I got some big balls in Texas, tell you what,
they've got, monstrous balls, Like I feel like if you
did something like that in Texas, they really wouldn't bat

(14:12):
a fucking oh.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
You'd be executed on the spot.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
That's one or the other.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
They'd a brought you like a retarded baby, is what
they would do.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
I must have took Thailand all with you, boy.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I ain't no one getting out of here alive.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Hell yeah, man, I didn't mean to say the art word.
I edited that out. That's okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
I just consulted with my attorney.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
We're fine, the worst fucking attorney.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Ever, like a muppet version of an attorney.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
That there's nothing wrong, just a word.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
It's just a word in the sweltering heat of West Texas.
And you know, I did pick a Texas topic because
this Texas week. Baby. By the way, Texas Longhorns, Hey
fucking suck at football this year. I know you don't
watch sports, but no, no, no, Jesus Christ. You know their
quarterback is Arch Manning, who's like the second coming of
quarterback Christs?

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Is he the one in d Manning's The.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Funny part is yes, he is a Manning, ok, but
he's not a child of Eli or Peyton, the child
of Cooper, which is like their brother that was allegedly
better than all of them combined. I think so.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think I remember Peyton talking about it.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
But injury he had, you had injury problems. But they
say he was twice the athlete the other two world
that's extraordinary. But his son, Arch Manning, supposed to be,
you know, the the greatest thing to ever touch a
football field.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
And he's not good, and he sucks.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
He's okay, but he's just not that good.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
That sucks.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
In the sweltering heat of West Texas, it was a
Texas summer. We're going to get the experience in a
few days. San Angelo was just another dusty, ranching town
in nineteen eighty eight. Were the oil rigs. They were
hustling and bustling. Baby and the lake provided a brief
escape from the relentless sun. But on the fourth of
July that year, nineteen eighty eight, the night of the

(16:13):
annual fireworks display at Lake Nasworthy Not'sworthy, everything changed for
two local teenagers, the subjects of this episode, eighteen year
old Sally and McNelly eh and seventeen year old Shane
Paul Stewart. Okay, they were young, they were in love,

(16:34):
they're trying to be They're kind of up and down.
We'll get Morison only yeah, yeah, oh yeah no, just
like you know, on again, off again. Fuck you, I
want to break up. All well, we can't break up.
I'm pregnant.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Kind of stuff, gotcha.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
They was heading out for a care free evening. Explosions
in the sky, some burgers on the grill. No burger
in this story, which is kind of upsetting, and maybe
some time parked by the water and Shane's Parie copper
colored nineteen eighty nineteen eighty Chevy Camaro.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
That's some fucking muscle right there.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Boy, back when you needed some serious penis power to
push some horsepower like that, buddy, that's a lot of balls.
That was a car. Yeah, I mean an El Camino.
That was a car. But the nineteen eighty copper did
heavy Camaro.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
I saw a fucking super nice El Camino the other
day and I was like, dude, that's that was bad
as fuck.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
They were nice, dude.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
I was like, I was like you, I could feel
my hair growing, which I really need So my dad had.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
A ranchero for a little bit nice, which is a
Ford version of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And we used
to get in the back of it and just kind
of fuck off and just be violent, and my dad
would get upset, you know, you're fucking up my ranchero
and we're just like, what even is this thing?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Is?

Speaker 2 (18:02):
A car? Is a truck? Is a van? Is a
dump truck?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I wonder what they do classify those as.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I don't know they got those new Hyundais now, say
are they Santa Fez? I don't know. It's some kind
of Hyundai that has a bed on it.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Okay, I can't remember, like a teeny tiny bed.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Nday car with bed.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
And a cruise and a.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Cruise Okaynday, you've seen this before. There's a little little,
a little four footer. Yeah, you can fit your fucking
fat grandma in the back.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
It's about it. In the back. This one's got plywood
and a grill in a UFO want it.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Dude, that's pretty fucking sick. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
HONDI makes some nice ship for the price now, man,
if you know, I don't know if they're any good
or not.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
But remember Kanye winning the super Bowl and drive off
in a Hyundai. Yep, that was what crazy motherfucker he
is now?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yep, first blackfellow who joined the KKK.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
That was cool. Never thought we would see that. It's
like a fucking Dave Chappelle's skin. Interesting.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, he's Dave Chappelle.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
He really is.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
So this couple they were while they were young. They
were in love, they were trying to be in love.
They were headed out that night, uh, just to watch
some fireworks, grab some snacks. People remember Shane's car more
than anything. Like I said, it was a nineteen eighty
Chevy Camaro. He babed that thing in the car. It
actually ends up being a pretty big part of the story.

(19:42):
They dated on and off though they argued, cool off,
circle back, argue, cool off, circle back, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat,
Totally normal rhythm for their age. Though if you ask
their friends back then, you'd probably hear different takes on
who was more into it, who got jealous, who was
pulling who into what crowd? And that's how teenage relationships

(20:06):
work though, right, lots of emotion, not a lot of breaks,
just ignorance, pure ignorance.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Fucking pissing vinegar.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
I know you had, oh, your oldest son. He was
kind of in a relationship there. He was kind of
gat up with it there. For right now, I got
a my middleist. She's got her first boyfriend man, and
they've been crazy over one another. I don't know if
they've been. I think they have been.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I love that. I love that word. First of all,
sit around.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I think they have been kissing because I'll tell her like, hey,
you've been fucking kissing that boy, and then she'll be like,
she'll look at my.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Wife so aggressive you've been fucking kissing him. You would
give him some fucking smooches.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
And she'll look at my wife and be like, do
I have to answer his questions and face He's like, no,
you don't have to answer his questions, and then she
won't to answer me.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Don't be frigid?

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, are you too frigid to kiss last night? Uh?

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Then I was like, okay, let's make a deal, and uh,
Stacey's like okay, and I'm like, I get to ask
Sophie two questions and she has to answer him honestly, Sophie,
She's like okay, and Sophie's like, do.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I really have to do that?

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Mom?

Speaker 2 (21:26):
He's like, oh god, and uh my wife's like, yeah,
you have to answer this question.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
I can't imagine you being my fucking dad. Man, I
would hate myself.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
And then my wife said, okay, what's the first question?
And I was like, has he slapped you on the ass.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
She's like absolutely not, no.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Good, and then my wife's like, you don't get to
ask any more questions.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Your second question revoked? Damn, man, I know got into it.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
I'm trying to get to the bottom of this ship.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Man. You gotta ease into it. Start with the ass slapping.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
You slap you on your ass?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Oh man, Because he got in trouble. They were texting, okay,
and he told her that she got a big butt
or something like that. And then my daughter's like, oh,
you like looking at it. You know, I don't know
what he said, but he probably said like fuck yeah,
I don't know what he said, but his parents all that. Okay,
So which is you know for me too? That's one savory.

(22:38):
You're little your twelve year olds me talking about each
other's rumps and ship. Don't be fucking necking and don't
be you.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Know, no touch button butt touching.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
No, yeah, rooting, rutting whatever, over rutting, nothing with the butts,
rubbing your antlers on anything.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, that is right.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, I think so I need you guys getting hooked
up black.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Dogs and ship.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
So I gotta keep it close, man, gotta keep her
eyes wrangled in dude.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Like a fucking middle school dance. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I really like the kid though. He's super sweet.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
And you know for me never having a son. After
I met him for the first time, like you catch
you want to play catch? Dude, I'm all choked up
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Is he the ones? That is he the one you
said you're gonna go fucking hunt lamas with? Or whatever?
The fuck? It was? Milk milka cow, that's right, milk
a cow. Together. We fucking went to Young Young Therey
this weekend, sorry excuse me, and we took we took
gimblet with us.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I know, I saw pictures.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
He got bit by a fucking goat?

Speaker 1 (23:46):
He said, who gets bit by a goat?

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Dude? We were laughing so hard.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I'm always wondering, like somebody has to get bit by these.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Things him, like of all the people, Oh god, fucking
great kid. Oh he's a legend.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
So if you ask their friends back then, you'd probably
hear different stories on, you know, kind of how this
relationship did work. What matters for us, though, is the
is the pattern heading into the summer. They're back together
and trying to keep it steady. They have the same
ingredients as every other couple. Late nights, junk food, pushing curfews,

(24:26):
and just big talks about the future. I can't wait
to marry you.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
I can't wait to fucking knock you up. Dude. The
summer was always like the fucking death blow to like
a relationship was.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, except for I had this one girlfriend over the summer.
We lived a block away from one another.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
That's different.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, and I'd be like, Mom, I'm going for a walk, dude,
fucking hide under trailers and ship. It didn't matter, dude,
we just go.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I would do that. I would just fucking do the
creepy ship just like drive drive my bike down like
the I also just looking to see I see him outside. Yeah,
I never did. I do that stuff too fucking weird, man,
It's creepy if you look back at it now.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
The reason this case still nags people.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Isn't just the ending.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's because there's no cartoon villain, there's no there's no setup.
Two kids, one car, a Fourth of July night in
a city that would spend decades arguing about what happened
after they left to watch fireworks. The official statement summary,
we'll come back to it a lot, confirms the basics.

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They went to Lake Nasworthy, Notsworthy, on July fourth, nineteen
eighty eight. They didn't come home. The camaro was found
the next day without them in it. By early nineteen
eighty eight, the on again off a thing went between
the two is back on. But you hear the typical
friend chatter. You know they fought a lot, they repeat.

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Some friends said that Sally snuck out late. Sometimes others
said that they'd drifted around different crowds. And that's important here.
That's not proof of anything, just the kind of details
people suddenly remember when a case goes bad. Years later,
those memories get sharper. In the retelling, people say things like,
I knew something was off, I saw I saw some
weird stuff I heard about a group. You'll see versions

(26:15):
of this if you if you do any research. In
the write ups and the TV segments that followed this
that cover this case. We're not I'm not stamping anyone
friends story as gospel, and I'm not saying that that
these this young couple that they were in a gang.
Shane and Sally were in a gang of some sort,

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But there were whispers that at the time there was
what we call the Satanic panic going on, and there's
a belief that these two were entangled in some type
of strange satanic panic gang or group where they were
sacrificing animals, doing all kinds of black magic and shit,

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you know.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Abrica tabra mo.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Fuck yeah, just like that. Okay, I'm pregnant.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
But this first concrete thing, it isn't gossip. In March
nineteen eighty eight, Sally and Shane turned a handgun over
to law enforcement, according to reports. Now this is two
months three months before the fourth of July. According to reports,
they said they got it from someone tied to a
group and were told it had been used in a

(27:31):
murder robbery. How damn police ran the serial number and
indeed came back stolen. That's black and white. You can
debate the group claim forever, the Satanic panic to the
sacrificial group therein, but the stolen gun handoff is documented
in public retellings of the case. There's police reports. These

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two had a gun man, didn't think they needed it,
and they gave it to the police.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Get on the fucking ground.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Is a KFC?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
It was Walmart?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
You know, here in Ohio we got McDonald's inside some
of our Walmarts. We do sub boys usually subways, and McDonald's.
Doesn't uh that Walmart and Hubert Heights has the McDonald's
and it doesn't it over on the far left side.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Doesn't it used to. I'm pretty sure it still does.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
I try not to go to those. Those are like
the cess pool of do listen America.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Whenever Dacy and I first got together in two thousand
and seven, she worked at Walmart and Hubert and there
was a there's McDonald's inside of it, and every night
I would go up there.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
There was there was every.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Single night I would go up there. We would eat
inside that McDonald's and it was fucking disgusting.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
It's not there anymore, it's not it turned it for
a while, it was a they changed it to a
phone screen repair play.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
It was gross.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is nasty.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, So why would two teens carry a gun into
a police station? The plane readings are number one, they
were scared and trying to do the right thing. It's
kind of the what we're hopeful here. Number two, they
wanted out of something and thought giving this up would
slam a door. Or there's a third option. They'd gotten
deeper into a scene that they meant they maybe not

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meant to get so deep into, and this was the
first smartness decision to get out of the group that
they are in. Any of those three scenarios track for
seventeen and eighteen year old, but the moment, this moment
changes the story's energy altogether. Up to now you can

(29:47):
shrug and say normal teen chaos. But after March, you've
got a stolen firearm tied at least by talk to
a violent felony. Even if the murder robbery part never
gets confirmed, just the act of turning it in I
could put a bit of a target on their backs.

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If indeed they were wrapped up with the wrong people,
They're gonna be there's gonna be questions.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Asked, say what about that fucking gun we gave you?
Who's supposed to take that to the live show man.
We won't be doing that. Those two girls, man, please
don't kill us.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
We will not be taking any guns, or maybe we will.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
It's TeX's brother. You ain't got a hot sauce on Texas,
Pete baby, just have a fucking holsters full of hot sauce.
That's pretty fucking hard, dude, that's swell. I tell you
what what shreach in?

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Pull out of brisket.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
W B.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
So good.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Or if there's indeed no group, it could be older
kids themselves up with scary stories. Either way, from March forward,
the air around these two fuels a little strange. Yeah, gun,
and they're like this is fucked up. Yeah, we could

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throw this in a lake, launched this into a river,
got take it to the police. But to understand the
talks that kind of exploded later on, you have to
sit in the time period. The time period, and the
time period was the late nineteen eighties and the nineteen
eighties were exceptionally loud about so called Satanic groups. There

(31:38):
were TV specials about rituals. There were pastures warning about
colts and plain sight. There were police trainings focused on
symbols and signs. Daycare cases made headlines and fell apart.
Families fought over recovered memories that couldn't be confirmed. The
country was prime to hear the word cult, and once

(31:59):
people heard it, they started to see it everywhere.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Six six six earl shirt turn.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
We were born at the ass into this, but there
was still some of that that carried over into the early.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Nineties, especially in our Midwest town growing up. Yeah, you know,
we're kind of behind everybody else.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
There was nothing scarier to white moms than Satan.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Looking upside down in the fucking pentagram.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Your kid's wearing all black. It was like their worst nightmare.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
How you bring that board billy back over here with
the fucking eyelighter, don't buknock the shit out of boat
and your gay asses. I'll see you, motherfuckers go to
garage with a rabbit. I'll kill you. Y'all learned they're
sucking each other. Dis ain't you killing rabbits and fucking

(32:46):
each other.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
That's what my mom used to say, Like that, just
like that, the.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
Bulls under fucking scissoring like a bunch of fucking dub fucks.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Y'all killed.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
You got a goddamn rabbits foot of your cachain. We
don't even lock our goddamn doors. What you did Kchain four.

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In a place we didn't lock our doors. We did, yeah,
mostly keep my dad out, keep your biological.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
One time we woke up on a Sunday morning there
was just some dude on our couch. Oh yeah, and
uh my dad like fucking half baked. Yeah, he just
like woke up in our house and we woke my
mom and dad up. Really, hey, there's something due on
the couch. He fell asleep right next to my little brother.
My little brother got molested by him. Explains a lot,

(36:24):
which I don't think that happened, but still I like
to tell people that, yeah, you never know and my
dad got there with a gun like kicked.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Him, like wake good boy, And that dude was.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Like, am I am? I four full four Elm Street.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
My Dad's like, no, you're too to two Main Street.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
You know where we lived at?

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, yeah, not even clothes.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Got a fucking gun in his face, wearing my mom's robe.
Worst hangover ever, man's hanging out full muff. I don't
know that dude was more scared of the gun or
my dad's muff.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Just a little bit of booth. No, motherfucker, the wrong
house when you're staring down him, staring down the barrel
of fucking pube sticking out of the waistband of underwear.
It's you don't know where me and.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
My little brother in the hall, like kill him.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Killing dad? He touched me him, fucking fucking killing.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Kissing.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Then kill him. I have his boots my six five
to two Elm Street.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
No motherfucker about to meet your maker six sixty six.
Austin three sixteen says, you're on the wrong couch.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Doubt of it. The hardest fucking thing he could have
said at that point.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Austin three sixteen, Ashley three sixteens, you're propt to get shot.
Kind of protector wasn't He wasn't a real true protector.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
That dude could have killed all of us.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
He just let a guy just fucking sleep on the
couch without knowing it.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Used to the door unlock for my older brother because
he'd come home.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, and he didn't come home that night. Dude, I
would be panicked if you were that dude on the
couch if I was either one oh yeah yeah, if
it was my house that someone was crashing in, or
if I crashed him the wrong house.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
My little brother k woke me up.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
There's some guy on the couch. I don't know who
he is.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Oh, dude, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
My dad's like, he's just like donna wake up and
point a gun at him.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Well, I'm gonna shoot him down.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
In a place like San Angelo, that noise carries, the lake,
the brush, the empty places around town, those are perfect
settings for stories. If someone says there's a group that
meets at night with candles, the picture in your head
immediately fills itself in. You think it's satanic activity. If
someone says they turned in a stolen gun tied to
that group, the picture gets darker. The era matters because

(39:12):
it's shaped what people believe they were seeing. Some offenders
in that era use theaters, symbols, candles, robes to try
and scare people away and keep them quiet. Other times,
regular crimes got an extra code of drama because everyone
was listening for it. So when the word group came
up around Sally and Shane, it didn't land in a vacuum.

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It landed in a place at a time that was
ready to call almost any organized activity a cult, any
group of people that just got together. You get together
to play cards with your buddies on a Wednesday night.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Those old Hillbillies are bird cutting kittens heads off, They're murderers.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
That doesn't prove a cult was there, but it explains
why the rumors spread so fast and why it kind
of stuck. The difference between panic and pattern gets blurry
when you've already when you're already kind of scared, you know,
by the end of the spring, though, that blur was
part of the air around these two there.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
It was kind of oh, shine selling, I got that
gold camaro, and they're worshiping sainting, they're doing sex.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Dude, that's crazy, because you know that's exactly how it
went like they just fucking spread he let that.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Board or whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
The fuck you watching that camaro?

Speaker 3 (40:34):
You heard me? I saw the wombo out there. He
was hailing Hitler.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
He was doing bisexual shit. Wants a bisexual.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
He was fucking the back of his car. He had
his pecker and the tailpipe. He loves that car so much.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Dude on TLC. The fucks is his grandam or whatever?

Speaker 3 (40:53):
It was. The funny thing about it is the fucking
car's name was chasing. It was gay, you see, it
was gay that made his car. Girl. I guess if
you're gay, you're gay. I'm so gay I can't drive straight. Yeah,
I remember that shit.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
So when you hear.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Cult keep two doors open, there's a hysteria ends, regular
criminals wrapped in spooky props and the town filled in
the rest. And then there's two theater as control ends.
A small scene actually leverage ritual theater to intimidate the kids.

(41:37):
That takes us back to July fourth, nineteen eighty eight.
They go to Laken Nosworthy for the fireworks. It's kind
of the thing to do around there. The show ends,
the crowd thins and the night gets quiet. A big
night fireworks, everyone hanging out, kind of coming close to
the end of summer, and then everybody starts to head home.
Sometime after that they are no longer where people expect

(42:02):
them to be. The next morning, a lake ranger find
Shane's camaro park near O. C. Fisher Reservoir. It's not
at notsworthy. The car is there, but Shane and already
lost her name Sally in my head, I think it's Sally,

(42:25):
but that's a stupid fucking name. But their car, well,
it was not there.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Oh see.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
And this is kind of the This point is the heart,
the first hard bend in the road for this mystery
car doesn't move itself right, sure, unless you're watching cars,
and then you know mater's.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Like unless it's turned on, Yeah, editsing drive.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
If Sally and Shane drove it there, why do they
leave it? And where did they go? If someone else
drove it? What happened at the handoff? Moving a car
by his time? Moving a car changes the story people
will tell themselves in the first hours. Moving a car
points to someone who knows the back roads and the
spots where a gold cameroo doesn't draw crowd At sunrise,

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families start making calls, friends ask around. The first answers
are not answers at all. It's a lot of I
thought I saw and someone told me, no concrete answers.
Where were these kids?

Speaker 3 (43:31):
All town? Rigamarole.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
The part that never changes is the simple piece, a
holiday night at one lake, a car at another lake
the next morning, and no teenagers with it. The gap
is where the fears start to fill in, and where
every version of the rumor is born. The discovery came
almost let's see four months later November eleventh, nineteen eighty eight,

(43:58):
when hunters found SOA's skeletal remains off of FM five
eighty four, about seventeen miles south of the lake, near
the twin Boots Butts or but Ta's.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
I would say, I mean butts is funnier twin butts.
You want to see two twin butts comes see as
a Texas twin Bute's probably buttes buttes. Yeah, it's probably buttes.
We're gonna it's it's butt with any buttes. Do you
get what I'm saying? Yeah, buttes.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
I like butts, like twin butts, twin but I like
twin boy butts. Oh yeah, wait Near the Twin Buttes Reservoir,
south Pool. Three days later, Shane's remains were located nearby,
roughly seventy five feet from where Sally's remains were located. Wow.
The autopsies, well, they weren't great. They revealed the brutal truth.

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Both Sally and Shane have been killed by shotgun blasts
to the skull and execution style murders that suggested close
range ambush rather than random violence. The remote location, though
it implied the killer or killers transport of the bodies,
dumping them in a pasture far from the lake to

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delay discovery. No murder weapon, no casings, no witnesses, just
bones scattered in the brush, turning a mission a missing
person's case into a double homicide investigation, almost instantaneous.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
That's that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, And why O. C. Fisher? If you know back
roads and pull offs, I don't know how to pull out,
but I know how to pull off, so.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
I'll know fuck about pullouts.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Last time I pulled out was Mom and Ned's driveway.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
You can park without getting noticed. If you're trying to
reset a timeline, you move the car right. If you
want to stall a search, you move the car away
from where the people are already looking. It's also possible
to kids themselves went there for some reason. And that's
the maddening part is OC Fisher raises more questions than answers.

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That's where they found the vehicle, that's not where the
bodies were found. But why were the kids going to
oc Fisher? Why were they parked there where they As
Rob Dog said earlier, were they necking? Were they doing
some hard fucking necking.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Were they worshiping Satan?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Were they hailing Satan? Were they talking.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
To the devil speaking in a serpent?

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Sheriff Larry Haynes assigned detectives bringing DPS and Texas Rangers
underwear by the way, Walker Larry Haynes, YEA love them.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
The big fruit strip in those things.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Was the last time you got a wedgie? Dude, Dude,
like a good old fashioned weggie.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I can't even recall. One time in middle school, I
remember someone fucking gave me a weggie, a bad one.
It was at a football practice. Yeah, it was pretty
fucking about. I heard my underwear rit it was really bad.
I heard my asshole rip, man, I think it did.
I'm your fucking paraneum. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure it
skidded him all up.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Your fucking mom took you for a rape.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Kid.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Afterwards, there got dooty all over them whenever he pulled
it fucking hard. Man, I'm pretty sure they may have
been white at the time, they weren't afterwards they were suckled. Dude.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Me and my older brother used to give my little
brother a fucking like wet like we can get his
underwear up around his head and his ears, and then
we we'd pull his underwear so far up his ass,
and then we'd take his leg. We put him face
down and we give him a wedgie. And then we'd
take his leg and we'd bend his leg at the

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knee and put it like his foot in the middle
of his back. Yeah, and then we'd tie his underwear
around his foot. And then he just like lay around
wallow and the like, just like roll around the ground
because his foot was stuck in his underwear. And if
we uh, my mom quit buying him tighty whities because.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
All his ass they're too stained.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
The best part, dude, my mom quit buying him tighty
whities because we'd give him such a hard wedgie. That
the like the hole your legs go in would go
up like above his waistband, and then we'd stick his
foot inside the hole that you know what I mean,
hook his toe and he would be stuck, stuck like
they'd have to.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Give the old fish hook like be like so stretched out.
He fucking blew out every stitch in those fers.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Every Captain America, Superman para under where he had. Dude,
we'd weggie his ass and then we learned what a
Melvin was.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
And the fucking you mom, that poor kid.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah, still this day, like if it was under hanging out,
I'll grab him and act like I'm gonna give him
a wedge and fuck you big, big time.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Man.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Oh man, I bet it's fucking non flashbacks.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
We have to give him some really violent ones when
we get when we get his foot inside of the
hole that his legs are already going into.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
That's crazy. Yeah, man, that's who that's vicious.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
My dad wouldn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
I can't imagine walking in on that. Just see what
your kids fucking fucking jackknife in their underwear.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Yeah, this is the third time today.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Amount of underwear.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
We should go to his house and give him a
wedgie right now? Oh fuck so, Yeah, Sheriff Haynes, the
underwear guy. Yeah, he brought in Walker, Texas Ranger, but
early interviews with twenty five potential witnesses, mostly teenagers linked
to Sally and Shane, it yielded very little result. The

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cult angle kind of dominated the scene with Marshall Stewart,
Shane's father, convicted members abducted them from the lake and
drove them to their deaths. This case caught on in
again National Spotlight. It actually caught the attention of Unsolved
Mysteries in nineteen ninety one, where it was a feature
on one of their episodes Love It. The episode replayed

(50:30):
the cult theory, even revealing the gun detail publicly for
the first time, but it amplified the satanic hysteria without
hard evidence. Modern investigators like Lieutenant Terry Lowe of the
tom Green County Sheriff's.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Office, Oh, we could do so many things at that.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
My bumma's on the rail. My Buma's on the rail.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
What a fucking great guy, man, I like you.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I still watch him on YouTube and ship.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
It's the fucking It's OJIB, that's the pretty much the
fucking guy who started podcast essentially, daddy.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Would you like some suitation.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Sausage?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Daddy, would you like some sausage?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Daddy?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Would you like some sausages?

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Where's your LeBaron? Freddy ah oh Man.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
These sheriffs have since downplayed the occult nonsense. They have
focused more on personal motives, maybe some monetary debts, rivalries,
or the gun handover that might have made Sally and
Shane targets of some unsavory characters. Marshall Stewart, the father
of Shane, who kept his son's Camaro for years as

(51:39):
a memorial, has spent decades pleading for answers, forgiving potential
culprits if they just confess to the crime. He said,
thirty years is too long. Said this in twenty eighteen,
vowing to build a case strong enough for court. Yet
catch me with that shit. He still ain't done it.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
As of now.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
The file remains cold stack of papers gathering dust on
some detective's shelf. Well families, they visit the gravesites annually
releasing balloons for Sally's birthday and remembering a night that
stole the two young teenagers at such a young age.
And along the way, there's some series, some theories take

(52:23):
turns at the front of the line. One says retaliation
by a group because of that handgun that was turned
in in March. Another group says a personal grudge with
a gun and a truck is all you need in
a place like this Texas board fuck snitches, get stitches more.
One says drugs or money made the wrong people angry.

(52:45):
Others say someone with some kind of pool loaded the
case when it mattered. Most none of these theories ever
make it to a courtroom in a way that answers
the questions of the family. Has that both families of
Shane and Valley, they're still searching for answers. They're all
versions of how you can move a car and move

(53:06):
two teenagers and move a town and not seeing what
happened until it's too late. But none of it really
makes too much sense. What There was one breakthrough in
twenty seventeen. June of twenty seventeen, deputies they stopped a
man named John Cyrus Gilbreth on unrelated charges no relation

(53:32):
to Billy raised hilarious, Don't tell my heart?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
May he keep braggy?

Speaker 2 (53:38):
You know what song I heard the other day that
was really fucking good? Was a Timmy girl, Don't Take
the Girl.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
That is a really good song.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Towny's Daddy hang an e Fishion.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
He was a years old old. Country songs were really
fucking good, like the storytelling songs. They were great.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Ah, they were so good. Yeah, yeah, its fucking wallet taken, dude.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
We were in a we were somewhere I remember where
we were, not too long ago, and then it was
a fucking John Anderson song started playing and I was like, God, damn,
he's so fucking good.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, man, all the songs are so it's different era there.
There used to be uh so in Dayton. There used
to be, as of a few days ago, a radio
station called k FM, but they've changed it to the
Fridge one A one point five. It meant to mirror
one of three ninety X back in our day, and
I've been listening to it. Pretty good, pretty good music,

(54:38):
but the real uh shake up here in Dayton now.
There was a radio station when we were younger called
Z ninety three. Yeah, and I'm fairly certain you and
I probably listened to that radio station together growing up.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, Z ninety three was cool because they did all
the all of the the new hits and it did
the old hits as well, all pop music. Really fun
radio station.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
It was great.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah, lots of local ties, just lots of community myths
to that radio station. And it's been gone for many
many years and just out of blue a few days ago.
Z ninety three is back in Dayton.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Yeah, they're doing the same to the same two DJs
this morning, did you Yep? It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
It was cool to have a Dayton radio drive.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah. It's something that's not clear what is it called.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I Heart I heart who we worked for, but not
sad before something clear clear clear channel, clear channel area.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, so that was cool to have that this morning.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
It's it's just always cool to have that local feel
like that, not so much conglomerate. Yeah, you know, I
mean it's like that everywhere now. You don't really have
local stations too much anymore. Just read broadcasting of national
program that's a.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Fucking top dog top dog law or top.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Top dog law. That's my ship, dude. There's no matter
where I'm at. If I if I'm on the radio
radio and a commercial comes on, I'm fucking cranking it.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Top dog law.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
You got into an accident.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
The dog's there, he's barking, he wants to bite people
like Dayton's miserable.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Not if you're listening to that, it's fucking great. Do
you have a favorite look up some top dog law commercials.
If you guys don't, don't have that in your area.
It's it's amazing, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
So there was a search warrant that followed after Old
Johnny Cyrus Gilbert was pulled over. Investigators say they they
found writings that reference Sally and Shane, audio tapes, some
marked with letters that look like their initials, and biological
items a lock of hair, a fingernail in what looks
like blood. He's now named a person of interest in

(56:58):
the double homicide. The behavioral analysts are said to be involved.
For a minute, it feels like the piece everyone's been
waiting for to that puzzle, it finally arrived. Then it
kind of stalled. No murder charges follow from that search.
Public statements do not tie those biological items to the
victims in a way that chooses closes the case. Sorry.

(57:21):
Whatever investigators believe, they do not walk it into a courtroom.
The families are where they have been since nineteen eighty eight,
waiting waiting, waiting for somebody to do more than a hint.
The town is where it has been, full of people
who will tell you exactly what happened, as long as
you don't ask how they know. Now the twenty seventeen

(57:47):
run and it puts a new name into the every retailing.
But it also does not change the map. It does
not change the car or the ending. It simply adds
weight to the story without delivering an answer. It proves
something and nothing at once, that there are still people
holding pieces and that those pieces have not been enough

(58:08):
to finish the puzzle. So we think it's either retaliation.
Two teens have stolen handgun to police in March. There's
talks of a group. Months later, they're executed and dumped.
It is clean, it's brutal, very possible. The second possibility,

(58:30):
it's just a beef. No robes, no theater, just anger
access and a wap and a weapon. And it's the
most common kind of murder that we see every day
here in America. You get mad at somebody, so you
fucking kill him.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Problem solved.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I always they just like, legally, let us do one today.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
You can't hit he got if you go over your quota,
then you get shot. There's enough people to do that, right, sure. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
The third the drugs and money, if a dead a
betrayal sits behind the scenes. The car move and the
choice of twin butts both makes sense. And then there's
the fourth one. Someone with position or connection, They put
a thumb on the scale and the case bends. People
say this in every cold case, because sometimes it is true.
If someone with enough money then enough power, does not

(59:20):
want you to know who murdered these people, then you will,
in fact not find out who murdered these people. Pick
any of those three four scenarios and you link them
up to the map, and the problem has always been
the same. None of them come with a piece of
evidence that answers the last questions. Who held the gun,

(59:42):
who moved the car? Who knew where to park it
so it would buy them a little more time? All
we really have left is pretty awful. Equation is Sally
and Shane Sally and McNelly and Shane Paul Stewart. They
went to watch fireworks on the fourth of July nineteen
eighty eight a young teenage girlfriend and boyfriend. A day later,

(01:00:06):
their Camara turned up at a different lake. Their bodies
were found with shotgun blasts execution style to the school,
and the case is still open. And maybe someone here
listening to this show, if you were out there, if
you drove those roads, if you saw that camaro or

(01:00:27):
where it shouldn't have been there, there's still a number
you can call.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Someone in the story is undoubtedly still alive, and someone
in this story still knows what happened in this cold
case to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Ballian Chain, you know what's thinking about during this episode
that we need to do. Tell me we need we
need a neck known, and we need to do another
episode with the hot line where people call us. People
call it the Dimension. The mention of Tom Green earlier
made me think about my Buman's on the chair. It

(01:01:03):
made me think about what he did, his little fucking
show and people just live call in and they just
started calling real racist ship.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Well, that's what we don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
I don't want that, But it made me think about that.
That's why I'm like, dude, we haven't did that episode
like that in forever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
That hotline is really expensive to turn on for a day,
is it. Yeah, it's dud. It's like eighty bucks every
time you do it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
God damn really fun. He's gotta be something free.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yeah, we just go buy a burner phone and that's
just burn phone hooking up Bluetooth to the track.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Phone by some minutes. Yeah, they still do that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Man. Cell phone bills those are fucked up, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
It's crazy. God man, everything's too fucking expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Everything is expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I was looking at this someone posted this fucking house.
It was on a little bit of land. It was
right here I'm in the city, and it was half
a million dollar.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I'm like, God, damn.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Cute little house but not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Work half a mild It just sold like five years
ago for like two hundred thousand dollars. It's like a
double dude, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I can't wait for the economy to collapse again.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
I starting the government's already shut down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Either shutting down. I feel bad for people that I
really feel for people that make their living at the
just you know, they're kind of at the discretion of
whether these fucking politicians want to get along or not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yeah. Yeah, that's that does suck.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
And I have someone really close to me that she's
in it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
She's he's one of the alphabet agencies. And when they
shut down.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Do you just.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Imagine it's it's it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
And you think, like people, I'm not pro government, I'm
pro just like leave me the fuck alone very much
and make sure everything's okay. But imagine having a job
and then just on Friday you find out that you
don't go to work on Monday, right, and then your
paycheck stops coming.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
And you have no idea when you're gonna be going back. Yeah,
how long last time this happened? How long was it? It
was several weeks, I say, I thought it was a
little bit of time. Yeah, which fucking sucks, man, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Uh, there's a if you are going through that, you know,
checking with your local credit agency or your bank, they
might they might offer some type of a says I
know our local Right Patterson credit Union. They offer you know,
skip loan payments and uh small like interest free loans

(01:03:37):
for for the duration of the shutdown. So it sucks, dude,
It sucks bad. It's yeah, product of our government at
the time. Whether you like it or not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
That shit just happens. Man, it sucks. Sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
I don't like for bad stuff to happen to anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
I don't I don't like when bad stuff happens to
people that don't deserve it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Absolutely, I like when bad people dying.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yeah, you watch the The ed Gean thing on I
haven't yet Netflix. No, so what a great guy, I
will say. Okay, here we go, Charlie Huntum, yeah, he
portrays ed Gean. He is so fucking weird yea that

(01:04:24):
it is really uncomfortable to watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Well, it's good. That means he did a good job.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Then it's nineteen fifty and within the first two minutes
he's fucking choking himself and jerking off in lingerie.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Fuck. Yeah, man, I'm watching that tonight. I'm here for it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
His mom is Aunt Darlene from Roseanne.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Oh shit, really, and a fucking she has like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
A mental breakdown, can't move, so ed Gean has to
bathe which is is that's his mom and it shows
her muff and it takes up the entire screen. Dude, stop,
it looks like there's a fucking shadow. It looks like
there's a shadow, like someone teleporting from the shadow realm.

(01:05:08):
But it's her. Bush's wild. I think it's a body
double and it's probably fake Bush. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Bush dude, it was big. Like I'm talking, I couldn't
have survived in the fifties, six six seven eight inches
away from her body.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Bush.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Yeah, it looks like they fucking hair jeled it up
to just how it was just.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Like give it a Jerry curl.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Yeah, it's sticking like an alfalfa.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Throwed it out. That's that's a flex, right it is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
It's it's good. And I mean if if he if
ed Gean really was that weird?

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Wow? I think they're all those guys from back then
are a little fucking weird, right, dude, they're all strange
trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Hunt does an insanely good job betraying.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
And he's a very attractive dude too, which is what's
funny that he's playing within the first you know, a
little spoiler.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
He's jerking off in laundry, right, Yeah, he gets caught
by his mom and then his mom makes him stand
there naked, like theory from me and fucking natty brother.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
You know, is she call the f slur?

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
I don't know, I don't remember, but she wasn't very
happy about what he was doing. Okay, but Charlie Hunam
is there naked and all He's just holding his dick
and balls. I'm just like, what a fucking stud dude.
Why were him? I would just be letting that boy
hang down, hang on now. But he does a great
job portraying of jerking off, jerking off and choking himself.

(01:06:33):
It makes it look enjoyable.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
That's it. I'm not into it, but I I the
people that are.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
She cat He's like, I was just messing with you, mom.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
I was trying to play a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Joke on you. It's something you're just like, Hugh makes
you uncomfortable watching it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
That's that's interesting. I'll watch out with my kids.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Got a fear boner. Yeah, like dah, that was that
muff Like Nick warmed me about this muff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Boys, I pray you don't ever see anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
I hope you ain't never find yourself with a bushy woman.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
We fought wars to protect you from things like that.
This is how I met your mother. You know the
world on Iraq. This is what called this is Iraqi
freedom boy. All right?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Well, uh, we are so so happy to be going
across the country to Dallas, Texas on October eleventh. We
couldn't be more excited to meet all of you tech centers,
and there's people coming from Pittsburgh, there's people coming from Washington,
there's people coming from Arizona, there's people coming from California's
people coming from all over the country to come see us.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
I'm coming right now, I'm coming. Oh so now I'm
coming too fast.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
We're there. We're there from Tuesday or tom sorry, from
Thursday to Tuesday. So it's a I'm ready to have
some fucking fun.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
We love to meet you, so come on down. A
few tickets are left, and maybe you're one of the
ones that want to get two free tickets. Well we'll
we'll throw those out there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yeah, shoot us a message Rohio.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Podcast at gmail dot com. In the meantime, everybody, have
a great week. We'll see in Dallas. See you guys later.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Mm hmm, I want to see your dash