The Mormon VS Cartel Bloody Turf War

The story you’ve never heard behind the so-called "Mormon Mafia" — a violent, twisted saga of polygamy, drug cartels, and a generations-deep blood feud playing out in the deserts of Mexico. This isn't your Sunday school Mormonism. We're diving deep into the LeBaron family, their shocking run-ins with cartels, and the brutal 2019 massacre that made international headlines. Faith, firearms, and the fight for control — this one has it all.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hid your wives and Hydira Aliens, and for the love
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(00:37):
asses to town to do what we do best, say
some really questionable shit while people drink craft beer. I'm
so glad we're having this at a craft brewery. Robert
to meet you, man, and everyone can get pretend like
they're not making a huge mistake. It's all going down
at the Satellite, the Badass space Cowboy cousin of Celestial
Beer Works. The Satellite is right down the road from

(00:59):
Celestial Beer Works. They're they're one of the same, right
there in downtown Dallas. Dallas. Doors open at six pm
and we'll be bringing you an evening full of true crime, conspiracies, cryptids,
possibly uncomfortable amount of nipple sweat where also Garth Brooks
will be there. Grandma might show up. There's gonna be merch.

(01:23):
There's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
When you leave Grandma here you there's gonna be me.
There's gonna be questionable decisions, all kinds of stuff. And
you know what, this isn't just a podcast. It's a
live Brohio experience, which's kind of like a UFO sighting. Weird, uncomfortable,

(01:45):
and you'll probably question your life choices afterwards. Yes, October eleventh, Dallas,
the satellite be there, or live forever with your regret
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Make your irresponsible decisions. But I tell you what, it's
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(02:37):
improv session where we're just gonna all work together. I
had some ideas the other day where this sounds like
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I was playing frisbee with Pepper. We'll put some cards out,
some index cards, and then uh, people just have to

(02:58):
write whatever there you know within you know, ten words,
just like something dumb and outlandish. And then we'll do
almost like a lightning realm where people will ask us
questions about anything, tell us the story about how you
met your wife, tell us, tell us what you think
about jfk Is, ask us any questions they like, okay,
and then we pull up on a post it card

(03:19):
or an index card, and we have to use we
have to incorporate whatever is on the index card into
whatever story we're telling. Also, we're gonna do like a
Who's line as anyways, where people in the crowd get
to come up and be a part of the show. Shit, dude,
I might let somebody fill in for me and just
watch the show myself.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
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Speaker 1 (03:41):
It sucks even worse, man, But again, that's brohyopodcast dot
com slash tickets not a whole lot left, so get
them mile they last. Uh, it's gonna be a tremendous
night and we are so excited to finally, finally, finally
be in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
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Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, your money back guaranteed, all right? Beck to us,
and thank you to our new Patreon subscribers. We got
two of them, starting with yay Diary mute. I think
that's closely associated to the watery stool that comes out
of your ass when you're not feeling so well. Diary mute.
Doesn't that sound like an anti diarrheal medicine?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Does is?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Oh my god, youball of diaryam mute? Iron diary mute?
But my asshole? Please fuck my asshole. That's TikTok video.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, so stupid. Who the fuck would really do that?

Speaker 1 (04:52):
I think it was real, dude. I don't know, no real.
Those people are too ugly to not know any better.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
It is very like Alabama, Mississippi is in my ass.
Oh man, So stupid. And next, and definitely least, we
got Christa Z. Christas Z. Thank you very much, Christa.
I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I would hate to have a last name where I
didn't even know how to use the cursive letters for
it to make it right. Actually, Z, a cursive Z
is a really fun letter.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
To make it is.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It is a big old it's a big old fat
ass and a little tit hanging off the bottom.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I feel like there's not a lot of Z last
names too either, So probably fucking you remember san Zu
baby oh zacharias the other one. That's probably what it is.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
He crashed out after we graduated. Hell yeah, man, Yeah,
she fucking hated my guts. She did not like me.
And I can believe this, but there's been points in
my life for people who met me and they didn't
like because they thought I talked too much.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
No, she was one of them. Yeah, there's nothing wrong.
I mean, if that's if that's the worst thing you
have to say about somebody's a.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Really that bad.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I guess at least you're funny to me.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's not just fucking sometimes I can be. Sometimes I
can be a little much. Roy who once lived with me, Yeah,
everyone's like, oh my god, you get to live with Nick.
That's probably so much fun. And Royce's like, I'm fucking
sick of it. He just he's always loud, he's always
doing dumb stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
He sobs when he masturbates.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
And then one time he brought his friends over from
outback steakhouse. Yeah, and I was showing off in front
of him, just like being party tricks exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Dude, fucking pulling like ten foot of scarfs out of
your fucking sleeves.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
I say.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I think at the time I was stacking quarters on
my elbow and catching him so pretty much in that day,
we just got the yellow pages thrown on the front door. Yeah,
and dude, he fucking stood up with his beard in
his hand. He picked up a yellow page and he
just point blank swung it and hit me with as
hard as he could, stand right in front of me.

(07:04):
And I was like, whoa, because Roy is so just
like quiet and peaceful, nonchalant, and he just would never
raise his voice. He'd never get emotional, and he's just like.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
You not get the fuck off.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I was just like, I'm going to my.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Room, Yes, sir, tuck your tail and walk away.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I went to my room and I laid there with
the lights off in the dark. You know, we lit
a little three three bedroom bungalow eight hundred square feet.
There's a party going on in my living room. I'm
just in the bed like you were disinvited. What the
fuck was about?

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Man?

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I picked the wrong rooming. They didn't even say how
cool the quarter trick was. No, I got them all.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
I had not landed it yet. I don't think I
think that's why he's getting so mad. Even delivered, it
was like I just kept on stacking him and there's
quarters were going everywhere.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
People were getting hit, kids are even crying.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, dude, fuck him. Man, all right, our news article
of the week. People with swamp crotch keep setting off
TSA alarms. And the reason I'm bringing this to your
attention is because I was a victim of this two
straight times. While flying U to Disney a couple months ago.

(08:23):
A woman flying for the first time in fifteen years
recently shared that both airports she passed through flagged her
groin area during the security security scan. She had no piercings,
no medical devices in her pockets were empty. The only
possible culprit her sweaty.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Crotch smelled that bad.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Damn thinks smell so bad the fucking laser detectors going
off and shit. She posted about the experience on Reddit
and quickly found out she was not alone. Other travelers
chimed in with similar stories, pointa what one security officer
allegedly called swamp crotch. Hell yeah, if you've ever had
swamp crotch, send us an email Ohio podcast at gmail

(09:01):
dot com. The term might sound ridiculous, but it lines
up with what the scanners work, or how the scanners work.
TSA's millimeter wave technology doesn't just detect metal, it responds
to anything that disrupts the signal, including moisture. TSA expert
SHAWNA Malvini Reddin told readers Digest that sweat it's one
of the stranger things that can trigger and alert because

(09:22):
of how the waves bounce off water. Kind of false
posive happens more than people realize. Sweat isn't the only
thing that might get you stopped security. Feminine products, snug clothing,
or even body shape can trip the scanner. TSA has
said their systems are designed to accommodate a range of
body types. Not true, but the reality is that some people,

(09:43):
especially those with fuller figures volumptuous like me, it flagged
more often. Some countries have decided it's not worth the hassle.
France and Germany have moved away from this type of
scanner altogether. While few redditors they say it can feel
awkward invasive to be singled out for something as mundane
as a sweaty crotch. I got pulled aside twice. He's like,

(10:06):
all right, here's what I'm gonna do, and he's flipped
his hands back and forth. He's like, I'm gonna touch
you on your groin with the back of my hand.
I'm just like, okay, dude, do your thing. And I
was really if this was any other setting, I'd be like,
whenever you touch me, You're just.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Like, oh fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
But I didn't feel like dealing with TSA because they're
a different breed. Dude, they will just completely impede your
whole entire day and ruin your trip. Sure, and I
saw this really fat dude right after me. He got
pulled over too, and I'm I'm like, okay, they're just
they're pulling out. They're pulling off people with like fucking
big balls to push out of the front. That's what
it is. Sure, And they started explaining to him.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
He's like, I know what you're gonna do, and it's
gonna turn me on.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
And the TSA dude, did not break a fucking smile.
He did not step out of his spiel for a millisecond.
He's just like, I'm gonna do a check here, check
their back, my hand.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
They're going to turn be on. So it is it? Okay?

Speaker 1 (11:08):
If I proceed, I guess, but TSA baby. You know,
I applied there. It almost got the job, but I
think I had I had a the time, I had
more than three thousand dollars in credit card debt. Isn't
that weird? And they wouldn't let me have the job.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
That's so weird. I always thought that was really weird
whenever they would like that takes.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Three thousand dollars, This is right out. I mean I
just bought we just moved into a new house, and
I had bought furniture and a bunch of stuff in
the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Put a lot of stuff in the credit card. And
I guess that the flagged me as somebody that would
take a bride from al Qaeda. That's so weird, man,
which I would have. But that's either here nor there.
Everyone's got a price.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
That's very true, very true.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Okay. We are posting a Patreon episode where we talk
about if all animals in the world were suddenly one
hundred pounds, which animal would be the baddest man on
the planet. Well, we're gonna make this Patreon episode free

(12:22):
a good topic and you can go there and you
can listen for free at patreon dot com slash Brohio Podcast.
I think that's what it is, or you just google
Brohio podcast Patreon, it's there, find it whatever works for you.
But in the meantime, come see us and columns, US
and Texas. Let's get the let's do this real quick.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Okay, you're about to fucking take us to church here, Yeah,
be right, gotta make gotta make sure you put that
in here.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Oh, there we go. What do you think of this
one for Texas? I'm feeling it. Oh shit, I don't
like it. No, this is very good.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Where's this going on?

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I don't know. But what I really want is for
you guys to come to Celestial Beer Works the Satellite
on October eleventh, Dallas, Texas. Tickets on sale now Brohio
podcast dot com slash tickets. Now here's a break for
someone who has better music than us, hopefully, because that

(13:42):
was bad. Alright, guys, Okay, and we're back, and we
are talking about a topic that I've longed to talk about.
I've threatened, We've threatened to talk about this many a time,
and tonight's tonight. We're gonna give it a little uh,
We're gonna give her a go, test her out, test

(14:03):
her out. What I've learned about Mormons super fucking weird,
very different. All they're trying to do is make an
excuse for their the men's in saturable desire to have
as many fucking girlfriends as possible.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Wives on the name of the Lord, all the name
of the Lord, baby. As long as it's in his name,
all rules are off, right, I guess in all clothes.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
All right.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
So let's uh, let's see to understand why fundamentalist Mormons
ended up in Northern Mexico. And there's a difference between
modern Mormons and fundamentalist Mormons. Modern ones are the kind
of the regular ones that function rather normally. The fundamentalists

(14:53):
are the ones that believe in polygamy, that believe in
blood oat or blood atonement, shit like that. We're talking
about the fundamentalists, and we're going to go through the
whole story of how they became the fundamentalists and how
they broke off from the quote unquote normal Mormons. Yeah,
we're talking about why they ended up in northern Mexico

(15:16):
of all places, and why some of them are in
the middle of one of the most bloody, violent cartel
conflicts in the Western hemisphere. But first we have to
go back to the origins of the faith itself. The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints or the
LDS Church, also known as the Mormon Church, was founded
in eighteen thirty by Joseph Smith in Upstate New York.

(15:39):
Smith taught that he had received golden plates from an
angel named Maroney. Loved that apasta.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
It's my favorite craft. Think that'd be.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Translating him into what became the Book of Mormon. So
this religion is about a hundred seven, about one or
two hundred years old, not all that old in terms
of religion Smith. So this new religious movement rapidly gained

(16:15):
followers and enemies, especially when Smith introduced the idea of
plural marriage or polygamy. And what's the the there's a
show on Netflix that just came out. I just finished it.
A God. They got the Mormons in it Western. I'm

(16:46):
having a hard time. He got me wondering, now Stalin
and it's okay or show we can do we want?

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, people have to Uh. American Primeval, Okay, that series
is the most intensely beautifully shot piece of film that
I've ever seen. It is strong, magnificent, cool storyline, a

(17:18):
lot of fun. Even if you're not into westerns or
anything like that, it gives you a lot of like, oh,
you know, there's a lot of really good moments in there.
Really gritty, really freaking gritty. Dude. The main character, the well,
there's there's the there's a guy main character and a
girl main character. The guy is one of those he's

(17:38):
like fucking John Wick, just one of those dudes you
instantly connect with. But the female character is one of
the dumbest people that's ever been portrayed in film. American
Prime Evel very worth it. But tomorrow Netflix really releases
Quarterback season two, which is headlined by Joey Burrow. And

(17:59):
they all so or so they filmed them all year
last year, and now they were releasing it, and they
were actually filming whenever his house got broken into and raw,
oh shit, And they go through it and they that's
pretty cool. We'll talk about some stuff. Yeah, yeah, shit,
I'm looking forward to watching it. Polygamy or plural marriage,

(18:21):
this is the big one. Early Mormons, including Joseph Smith,
practice polygamy, believing it was the divine come in. Smith
himself had at least forty wives.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Fucking God, dude.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Some as young as fourteen. For early Mormons, taking multiple
wives of the path the spiritual glory tied to their
belief and eternal families and celestial kingdoms. We're going to
their brewery in October of this year Ohio Podcast Live
in Dallas. But this did not set well with the
nineteenth century America, where monogamy was the norm. Polygamy made

(18:58):
Mormons public enemy number one in the eyes of the
US government and mainstream Christians, who saw it scandalous and immoral.
I think I'll have to agree there. It is weird
theocratic ambitions. Early Mormons weren't just a church. They are
a society where they're own milit with their own militias,
their own banks, and their own dreams of building a

(19:20):
literal Zion on Earth. Joseph Smith ran for president in
eighteen forty four and was seen as a threat by
folks who thought he was trying to create a theocratic empire.
This led to violent clashes like the Missouri Mormon War
of eighteen thirty eight. That was a bloody clash where
Mormons were driven out of the state under an extermination order.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Oh shit, didn't fuck around back in the day, Dy'
not fucking around. Extermination just sounds so like it over
the top, right.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
You ain't coming. Interview knows you have a search warrant. Well,
I got an extermination war right here.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
A fucking mass extermination.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
You want to fuck create that?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Secret ritual Mormon temple ceremonies like the Endowment are sacred
and secretive, involving symbolic rituals that outsiders often find very bizarre.
Members the way they wear special temple garments. They're kind
of They've been called magic underwear by critics over the
years as a spiritual shield.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
They's some of them to hide my shit stains.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Uh pasture, friend, I think I've had an accident in
my magic underwear.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
If you've got an extra payer.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
After thinking of my native and praise the Lord, I'm in.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
The skid marks disappears.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Which one of my wives is in charge of clean
it out, but scrubbing fruit stripes.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Set up underwear magic underwear.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Which one of my wives is could have cleaned daddy's
magic underwear.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
What if the magic of it was the skid Martin's
transferred to someone else's underwear.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
You can fucking air drop poopstains.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Due I send them to you all the time.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I'd be a collector. Because some people collect baseball cards,
Nick collects fucking shit striped underwear. You hear that air
drop sign, You're like, fuck.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Man, all just get squishy fuck again.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
I just sat down.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
We tackle air drops. I fucking shoot you one rise.
You're about to hop on your bicycle.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
God, that would suck. You have no choice to accept
that or not. Just shows up.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
I think there's mighty to be made if there was
a movie about a guy that could shit in other
people's pants without them knowing.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Oh who ship my pants?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
This wasn't me. I didn't have cabbage. These were my
favorite magic underwear.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Ruin mccolderoy's.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
These strange rituals, combined with a strict lifestyle no alcohol,
no coffee, or pre marital sex, give Mormons an air
of mystery and exclusivity. I have a very weird community,
to say the least. Mormons believe in living prophets who
received direct revelations from God himself. This ongoing divine guidance

(22:40):
sets them apart from most Christian denominations, which rely on
fixed scriptures. It also means a church can pivot its doctrines,
like when it's banned polygamy in eighteen ninety, which we'll
talk more about that later. By the eighteen forties, the
Mormon community had moved west, eventually settling in Utah under

(23:00):
the leadership of Brigham Young. You'll remember they were chased
away out of their other home by an extinction order
or an extermination order in response to political and legal threats.
The mainstream LDS church officially renounced polygamy in eighteen ninety
with the manifesto issued by church president Wilfood Woodriff. That's

(23:25):
an elegant ass name.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
It is very presidential.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Hi, I'm Nick Alexander. Oh, I'm Wilfood Woodriff.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's almost like Woodrow Wilson.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Were you the one that shoot in my magic underwearlier
this evening? Did you air drop me a third? The
likes of which has never been seen before.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
You're a very nasty man.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
But when this took place, when the church moved to Utah,
after the extermination order, after they renounced, after they renounced me,
not everyone followed along. Many devout members saw the renunciations
as heretical, a betrayal of what Joseph Smith had called

(24:12):
an eternal commandment. These believers broke away from the official
church and became what we now call the fundamentalist Mormons.
They believe the mainstream church had been corrupted and the
polygamy was central to achieving the highest level of exaltation
in the afterlife.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
Exalting with their drop ship staines, how dare you confront
you leader without wearing your magic underwear?

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Give me a fourteen year old wife, all of them?

Speaker 1 (24:53):
So I did, a bunch of Mormons pack up and
head to the deserts of northern Mexico, fucking war as
were cartel. Cut your wieners off and put them in
your mouth. That sounds like a lot of fun, I'm out.
I would want to push them to the point where
they like, go to cut my wiener off, and they
get me naked, and they just eventually they just all
start laughing. At me.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
You make it retracted.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, I speak a little bit. I speak enough Spanish
to get myself in fucking like if I were captured
by the cartel, I know enough Spanish to get me
killed quicker than if I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
They got the ultimate goal, right, You just don't want
to be tortured. Just kill me real quick. You gotta
kill his gringo, don't You don't take a chains out
of my neck. I don't want to feel it. Just
doesn't shoot me in the back of the head or something.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
Fucking they put my ass down quick. You won't quit
ordering food.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
So the reason they packed up and went to northern Mexico,
it's all about polygamy and persecution. By the late eighteen hundred,
the US government was cracking down hard on the LDS Church.
In eighteen sixty two, Abraham Lincoln signed the Morale Anti
Abigamy Act, making polygamy illegal. By eighteen eighty two, the

(26:27):
Edmunds Act up the anti disenfranchising polygamists and jailing them.
Over a thousand Mormon men and women were fined or
in prisoned, some sent as far as Michigan. That's a
punishment the LDS Church wasn't a bind. Polygamy was a
core tenant for many, but the Feds were no longer

(26:50):
fucking around or playing their games. Mexico, on the other hand,
they'd got looser laws, sparsely populated in the area that
they wished didn't have it to it. But also it
comes with a little bit of uncertainty because the cartel
kind of hanging out at the border. But most of all,

(27:11):
the Mexican government said, we don't give a fuck how
many people you marry, Like, why do we care. We
can barely keep this son of a bitch open. We
have nothing, We're eating dirt off the ground on the streets.
I don't care how many people you marry. So then
the fundamentalist Mormons said, you know what, well, maybe Utah
is not the place for us. Maybe we need to

(27:31):
be moving on down to the south of the border
there to war as sure. And that's what they did,
the fundamentalist Mormons, they are like a splinter cell. They
broke off from the modern Mormons, and they kept the
core fundamentals of what the LDS Church once taught and
they kept it with them, and they moved to Mexico

(27:54):
so they could they could practice freely. They could marry
fourteen year old girls a thousand different times. They can
have thirty fifty wives. They can live imrally and pretend
it was underneath the veil of God and make it okay.
That's what they did. Very interesting Among those who made
the journey south was Alma Dyer LeBaron, very nice car

(28:16):
by the way, patriarch of the now infamous LeBaron family.
The li Barons settled in the rugged desert of Chihuahua
and Sonora areas, just south of the Texas and New
Mexican borders.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Where's your LeBaron? Freddy? But I think of every time
I hear about Li Baron that, where's your LeBaron? Freddy?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Daddy? Would you like some sausage?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's like the worst movie?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Would you like some sausages?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
It was still so good.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Dude, Tom Green, my wife just texts me I made spaghetti.
Will you eat it? Or would you like me to
go get you a Chipotle bowl? Like for spaghetti, ha
ha for Chipotle. That way you can answer on your watch.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
That's great. Modern problems, modern solutions.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Like for spaghetti, let's send it to the Prohio Nation.
Should I like for spaghetti, or should I ha ha
for Chipotle. I think we'll like for spaghetti. That spaghetti
sound good, Robert.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
It always sounds good.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Let's save my calories up all day because I knowew
you're having spaghetti, so does a good haha too, though
I'm trying to see her fuckings, what's really trying to
happen right now?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Did you gotta give it a like? Then you gotta
go with the home cooked.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
The uh yeah. The Libarons they settled it in chihuai
Wai and Sonora areas just south of the Texas and
New Mexico borders. Others followed suit, establishing communities such as
the Colonial Libaron Colonia Dublin and Colonia Waas. And these
communities they were in they were tighten it and deeply

(30:02):
committed to the you guessed it, plural marriage and old
school Mormon doctrines. Over time, they became known for their
self reliance, armed independence, and in some cases, vigilante justice.
Many had dual US Mexican citizenship, giving them unique privileges
and access to resources that their Mexican neighbors did not have.

(30:27):
So they would set these up like war camps. Okay,
and they would have men walk around the borders of
what are camp. They're at Camp Waras or Camp LeBaron.
These guys had guns, man, they had arsenals, and they've
always been that way and to this day, yeah, they're

(30:47):
still down there. Some of them still have very beefed
up security operations. And we'll go over that a little later.
Over the decades, though, fundamentalist Mormonism and Mexico splintered into
numerous sections, each with its own profit and own peculiar
set of rules. Some, like the Apostolist Apostolic United Brethren,

(31:14):
were relatively peaceful. Others, like the Church of the Firstborn
of the Fullness of Times, which the Libarions helped found,
took a far, far darker turned. Yes, you heard that right,
The Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of Times
A mouthful that is a mouthful, for lack of a
better term, No family better represents the twisted legacy of

(31:37):
polygamous Mormonism in Mexico than the Libarians. What started as
a spiritual mission quickly devolved into bloodshed, fantasism, and cartel
style bloody violence. Okay, I'm telling you, guys, cartell ain't

(31:57):
nothing to be fucked with he thank you.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I don't want anything to do with that.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Just a quick Google search. Worst cartel crimes is.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
The cartel friendly.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
This is eight days ago, twenty bodies discovered and soanola
As Mexican cartel runs rampant cartel violence and Sonla Mexico
is twenty dead.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Now you know why some man of these people are
trying to get to fucking to us.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
That's now that that's a that's a topic for another day, buddy. Yeah,
Worst burtel crimes here we go. The ten were the
twenty eleven San Fernando massacre twenty twenty one San Ferani

(32:58):
is one of the most gruesome murders to be carried
out by any drug cartel in the world. The mass
murders saw one hundred and ninety three people lose their
lives to the Lo Satus drug cartel at La Joya Ranch,
San Fernindo to Malipas, Mexico. Throughout twenty and eleven, there
were multiple hijackings of road users on Mexican Bedrool Highway

(33:19):
one oh one. The thing with the Mexican cartel, I'll
say this with my experience, when they want to send
a message. That's when their crimes go from. You see
these mass murders one hundred people, fifty people, twenty people.

(33:41):
Those are that's bad, right. Imagine coming home from work
one day and one hundred and fifty your neighbors are dead.
If you put in that perspective, because that's pretty much
what was people from the same general area. One hundred
and crazy ninety three of them. Those are real. That's

(34:02):
a really that's a profound that's an awful situation. But
when the cartel wishes to send a message or something
they feel like someone amongst their ranks is rated or
gone to the Feds, that's when they start. You start
to hear about these gruesome like chainsaw murders. There's instances

(34:25):
of them legitimately decapitating a person, cutting off the penis,
putting the penis inside the person's mouth while they with
their heads sitting on top of their chest. That's when
they're trying to send a message. When I worked in
the prison, there were some m S thirteen members, the

(34:45):
most respectful, hardworking humans and the entire compound that I
that I encounter.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Sure, but Mexicans are known for being hardworking.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
L roof At fucking house before let's break, buddy.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, they wi them an Amish man.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
My dad is having a hard time. You know, he
services a medical fleet and he's having a hard time,
just like he doesn't have good employees. I said, you
need Mexicans. I'll get some for you for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
If you do.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
You ever see those Mexican jumping beans? You have plant
those you can grow, That's where they come from. No,
but we were talking about beans earlier. That's true, and uh,
I don't know. The science behind Mexican jumping beans is
a worm inside is there and it just jumps. It
moves around inside the little hill. Dude. I remember I

(35:40):
went to KB Toys in them all back in the day.
They had Mexican jumping beans out on the counter and
then motherfuckers were cooking.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Dude. Yeah, they moved, man, they were jumping. They put
in some fucking miles in there.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I'm I'm interested in that now. I want to know
more about Mexican jumping beans.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
What I always was interested in is, uh, for the
longest time, I wanted to have an ant farm. And
this is like two three years ago.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
There's still time.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I know. That's so interesting to me. I want to
watch them build the tunnels and like do all the
cool shit. Like they usually make a chamber for all
the dead ants. No fucking bury them all in there
and shit, or they'll stack them in up in a
hole or yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
What's inside Mexican jumping beans?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
What it's a fucking worm.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
I used to have these as kids. Never knew they
were alive. The horror. Do they hatch? Oh? Yeah, there's
worms in there.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yes, some of them things are hopping.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Hell yeah, dude, yeah, move me out the wormies.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I'm never putting those in my chili ever again.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
They get a little extra protein there. Yeah, this thing's
a pretty cool though, something, dude.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Joel le Baron, one of Alma Deal le Baron's sons,
declared himself as a prophet in the nineteen fifties and
founded the Church of the First Born. His younger brother,
Irvill fucking name it's evil with the with the letter R.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
In it, Irvill Rville.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Le Baron did not agree with his brother Joel's leadership
and launched a bloody coup in nineteen seventy two. Irville
had Joel assassinated in Mexico and then published a manifesto
called the Book of New Covenants. Do you ever try
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whence he claimed the divine right to execute anyone who
defied him fuck in this book. Irville's manifesto was a

(41:20):
warped blend of Old Testament violence and apocalyptic Mormon theology,
and at its core there are several radical doctrines. So
they believed in blood atonement. Irville taught that certain sins,
like defying God's profit, which was him Rville himself, could
only be forgiven through the shedding of the sinner's own blood.

(41:41):
That meant murder was not only justified, it was spiritually required.
There was a prophetic authority. He declared himself the one
true prophet and denounced not only mainstream Mormons, but rival
polygamist leaders, including his own brother Joel. There was a
divine hit list. The book contained name of individuals Erville

(42:01):
claimed were traders to God. This included family members, wives,
rival prophets, and ex followers. Many of these people would
later be murdered by Rvil's followers. There's an End Times doctrine.
Rville believed that his followers would play a divine role
in the last days, ushering in God's kingdom through a

(42:21):
holy war. Murder, sabotage, and violent purges were all framed
as divine justice. They also, in the manifesto, enforced polygamy.
Women were expected to submit entirely to their assigned husbands,
refusing marriage arrangements or leaving the sect grounds for execution.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Man, this is like how fucking Rob Schneider must have
felt in Big Daddy whenever they're playing the I Win game.
What was a little boy's.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Name was Julian?

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Julian? Yeah, what's his game called?

Speaker 4 (42:57):
I Win?

Speaker 2 (42:58):
What are the rules? I win?

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Irville was arrested. I'm sorry. The fallout from this book
was catastrophic over the next two decades, Irvill's followers carried
out at least twenty five confirmed murders, including and not
limited to his own brother Joel, an entire family executed
in nineteen eighty eight, multiple killings in Utah, Texas, and Mexico.

(43:27):
Murders carried out years after his death by children indoctrinated
with the Manifesto. Rville was arrested in the US, convicted
of murder, and died in prison in nineteen eighty one,
but the cult he created didn't die with him. His wives,
his children smuggled copies of the book into prisons and holmes,

(43:48):
memorizing its contents and continuing its violent doctrine and secret.
Despite the blood soaked history, many lebarons who distanced themselves
from Ervill's faction continued living in northern Mexico. They became
wealthy landowners, ranchers, and farmers, known both for their faith
and their firepower, because that's how they exerted dominance was

(44:12):
the amount of firearms and the size of the firearms
that they owned. Guns and god, man, that's what all
these fucking weirdos believe.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
That's all you need.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
But to set the stage for the violence that were
talking about in this episode, let's talk about Mexico's drug cartels.
By the early two thousands, Northern Mexico was a battleground
for groups like the Sanola Cartel, Waaz Cartel, and they're
offshoots like Low Salazar and La Lania. These cartels fought

(44:50):
over smuggling routes to the US, fueled by America's insaturable
demand for drugs like cocaine, meth amphetamines, and fentanyl. They
do it all drug fentanyl. Do it all with fentanyl, Yes,
you can with nar can. The region near the US

(45:12):
border where the Mormon Colony sat was prime real estate,
with dirt roads and remote highways, perfect for trafficking. Are
you on that Dayton mug shot page on Facebook?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
My wife is, but I'm not.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
It's really enjoyable. It's yeah, fun.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
She has a lot of fun on there.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I see people I know all the time on there. Yeah,
I'm my god, Damn, he's down, bad dude.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
They usually are. Man, it's never the You'll see a
couple of people that are like in there, it's just cheesing,
and you know they're in there for like duy s
or something.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Fucking I like the ones who see their mugshot and
they get out of Facebook before it's even posted, and
they get on. They get on and they comment. They're like,
I'm out, y'all.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I haven't seen that. That's pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
If I see really really homely looking women on there,
I comment, I say, free unk is all I say,
and it goes over well all that everyone likes it.
They think it's funny when I do it.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Free yunk.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah. Man, the just it just they just post mugshots.
All it gets. All it is is mugshot's.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Kind of fucked up, but it's the same time it's
it's pretty cool. I saw the one picture where is
where the guy was like practicing for my future dating
mugshots pose and then like a couple of weeks later
he was on there.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
That's funny. Yeah. I can't find the picture that I
commented on, but free yunk. I wanted to see what
the person looked like.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah, I kind of. I kind of have to know.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Now there's some dangling, debait, rough looking people on there.
Oh yeah, okay. In two thousand and six, Mexican President
Felipe Coloroon launched Mexican's War on Drugs, sending thousands of
troops to crushed the cartels. Well, that plan backfired spectacularly.

(47:06):
Violence exploded, with over two hundred and fifty thousand homicides
linked to drug war by twenty nineteen. Holy fuck, So
in a little over a decade, they'd accumulated over two
hundred and fifty thousand homicides directly related to the hands
of the cartel. S fuck, tell me how the war
on drugs is going Mexico. Damn. The cartels splintered into smaller,

(47:32):
more vicious groups, fighting not just the government but one another.
Towns like Bavispe near Lemora became They called it Tierra
sin le, which means lawless land, where cartels set up checkpoints,
they extorted locals and executed rivals with impunity. And that's

(47:55):
kind of where this relationship between the cartel and then dormans,
that's how that started to blossom. These cartels literally took
over towns and to go anywhere, you would have to
pass much like a dui checkpoint. Imagine rolling up to
a dui checkpoint to go down the only road in

(48:17):
the entire thousand miles around you, and you pull up
the dui checkpoint and it's not cops checking sea. If
you're drunk, it's the cartels with rifles and knives making
making you empty your wallet out and give anything worth
anything to them, Like you can't pass without two hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Monopoly, Sorry pesos, Whi's probably worth fuck all? Well, American
dollar is not worth fuck all anyways anymore either. So
here's some Mexican jumping beans, and he got these very
nice beans, magic beans.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
How would you feel if I just air dropped you
a poop stay instead new technology I've been working on.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
I've got this patent in my wallet. Do you want
to take a look?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I don't think, and I always tell myself if I
ever need to get out of a ticket, like sh
get a shit. I don't think that would work with
the cartel.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Probably not.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
No, it would probably bring them joy of watch me
ship myself.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
They'd let you poop and then kill you, bury you
and you're fucking poop diaper Trinity.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Think about the lack of dignity. They killed you before
you had a ship, and then like they killed you
and you just shit all over yourself.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, I feel like that's what deserved then, Yeah, right,
I feel like that would be one of the worst
parts of being like a medical examiner as people that
had shipped themselves after they died, and yeah, like it's
probably one of the first things they got to do.
Stick that cork in your butt though, right, Yeah, I
don't want to keep all that inside.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Somebody that like really loads one down. Yeah, what are
they just cleaning you up? Or they just leave you poopy?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
I think they probably leave you poopy. No, they clean
you up. There's no way they don't.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Could you imagine, like you just had a job you
didn't like and you didn't fucking care. Imagin'd like wipe
a dead person's assn they wouldn't know. And then there's
your boss. You know, it's seven point thirty on a Friday,
and your boss is leaving like making sure you get
at all.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
I better not see a spec of shit on Miss
Johnson's butt when I get back on Monday.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
He's writing notes on the corpse underneath their clothes.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Steve is gay, He's dead and I wish I were too.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Steve is just the other mortician. His friend Steve was
here on someone's dick.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
He's a table neighbor. Steve loves cock.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Written on someone's cock.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Benna loves cock. You know what happened to me yesterday?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Go for it, man, tell me my motorcycle.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Needed to be washed. So I washed it. I took
the saddle bags off, put everything back on ship, and
then I did a I've really been kicking around getting
a pair of Oakley sunglasses. Yeah, and they had a
really big sale on him yesterday at Dick, so I
ordered them for store pickup. I got a I got
like a two hundred and forty dollars pair of Oakley's

(51:28):
for like one hundred and ten dollars. Is a really
good deal. And I went and got him on my motorcycle.
And I'm riding home on six seventy five going eighty
five miles an hour, and I just my radio goes,
just stops, and I hear I look over my left shoulder,
and my fucking saddle bag broke off my motorcycle and

(51:52):
was just boomeranging down the highway on its side. Want
eighty five miles an hour. And not only is it
tough to find saddle bags, but it's nearly impossible to
find saddle bags for your year and the color of
your motorcycle. Yeah, So I just like, fuck me, dude,

(52:16):
and I was fifteen minutes from the mall and twenty
minutes from home. So I either said, flip a bitch,
go back down the highway, get it myself, ride with
it in my lap. Because it was broken off, I
wasn't gonna be able to put it back home way.
So then I make it all the way home. I

(52:37):
tell my wife. She's like, oh my god, I'm so sorry.
I'll go with you. We drive back. I see it,
I get out. I was the whole entire time, I
thinking somebody's god fucking take it. I go get it,
and I got speakers in my saddle bags. The speaker
broke out, got all kinds of gnarly ass road rash
on it, but wrong intents and purposes. The fact that

(53:01):
it broke off my motorcycle at eighty five miles an
hour on the highway and bounce down the highway like
a super ball. It doesn't look that bad really, And
it didn't break anything. The speaker gott knocked out, but
I can screw that back in. But there's nothing like
it didn't chip the like crack anything. I mean, there's
some serious gnarly ass road rash.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Sure it's got a story to tell.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Now I think it does now, But I thought about
getting like one fat headstickers and putting your face on
it just to cover up some of them. Yeah. Yeah,
if you can read this, my bitch fell off or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
You should try to take your motorcycle through a car
wash one time.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
It needed it. Dude. If I wouldn't have watched it,
that wouldn't have happened, because I had to take the
saddle bags off, and that's what fucked everything up.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
See, leave your shit dirty.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Such an idiot.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
It's like the magic underwear. You're dropping somebody else.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Let's see where we're at here. So the civilians, including
the Mormon communities, were caught in the crossfire of these
these checkpoints, these extortion points, and the Mormons were caught
in all that. The Mormons had a complicated relationship with
the cartels for decades. They coexisted, identifying themselves at checkpoints

(54:24):
and avoiding trouble altogether. One Mormon by the name of
Kenneth Miller Jr. I'm sorry, he was a resident of
Lamara of LaMura, said, we've all been stopped on the road.
They just wanted to know who we are, what we're doing.
The communities learned to navigate the cartel landscape, sometimes getting
warnings about trouble spots, but their US citizenship and vocal

(54:48):
anti crime activism made them stand out, and not always
in a good way. The Mormons. That is, some people
say that the Mormons actually struck up deals with the
cartel for protection, which that's probably the smartest way to
go about this, not a bad idea. Essentially, they would

(55:09):
funnel money and resources to the cartel in the event
or for protections. The cartel wouldn't let anybody harm the Mormons.
The Mormons were kind of free to operate somewhat autonomously, yeah,
but not altogether. The cartel still kept a close thumb
on them because they knew that the Mormons had money

(55:30):
and they had resources, so they I think the Mormons
were making a lot of money off of their gun trade.
I do believe. Yeah. I don't have any of that documented,
but I think that's how they.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Were if they had that many. I mean, it's safe to.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Say others were openly defiant, refusing to pay extortion or
see land, and these fundamentless Mormons, they became huge targets
of the cartels. One cartel figure told Mexican media. They
the Mormons think they're untouchable. They have money, they have guns,

(56:04):
and they have the gringoes watching over them. Some rumors
suggested the Libarons tipped off US authorities to cartel movements.
Others claimed they offered safe passage to select traffickers. These
whispers made them high value targets, regardless of the truth.
Just to double back about what we just said, kind

(56:24):
of a that's a heavy topic of the episode. The
it said that the Libarons that the Mormons were tipping
off the US government about trafficking routes which now in
the past i'd say ten eight to ten years. The

(56:51):
money that the cartel make from trafficking humans and getting
them across the border is where a majority of their
money comes from. While albeit they make a lot of
money off of drugs, they make a lot of money
trafficking humans. And the fact that the Mormons were like
activists against this shit and possibly telling the US government

(57:16):
about these secret of trafficking locations, these veins that the
cartel were using, the kind of put a target in
the right in the middle of their foreheads. How do
you say so myself? The Liberon family all their trouble
started with the cartels. I'm sorry it didn't start with
the twenty nineteen massacre that we're going to talk about.
But in two thousand and nine, sixteen year old Eric

(57:39):
LeBaron was kidnapped from their community in Shihuahua. The cartel
wanted a million dollar ransom, but the family refused to pay. Instead,
they barricaded the town and raised hell until Eric was
released unharmed. But the Cartels weren't finished. Just two months later,
gunman broke into the home of Eric's brother, Benjamin le
Baron and an outspoken activist fighting cartel extortion. Benjamin and

(58:04):
his brother in law were beaten, tortured, and executed on
the spot. It was a brutal message. Cross us and
you will die. And I want to say that I
watched a documentary on that, you know what I did,
and that was a very very good documentary. Let me

(58:25):
see if I can find it. Eric Baron documentary. Uh,
maybe it's called Daughters of the Cult. There's a lot.

(58:48):
There's a documentary called Prophet of Evil, The Irvil le
Baron Story if you want to learn more about Old Irvil.
What an awful name we have that really fat gray
cat named Emma. Her name is Emma actually, but I
call her Irmore go arm Moore. She always should like

(59:10):
get her fat ass up and waddle over, and shit,
you're not calling my name.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
It's a pretty cat though.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
On November fourth, twenty nineteen, this is the massacre in
question that kind of kicked off my interest picked my
interest in regard to this topic. A convoy of three
SUVs left the Mormon settlement of Leamora, heading toward another

(59:39):
nearby community. The passengers three women and fourteen children, all
related through le Baron family ties. And this is the
ABC News.

Speaker 7 (59:55):
Could we begin tonight with that horrific story. Several Americans
mothers and their and ambushed and killed in Mexico. Nine
people killed in all, including six children, attacked while traveling
in three separate cars. One car riddled with bullets and
incinerated by fire, trapping this mother, her infant twins, and
two other children inside. None of them survived. Several other

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children were wounded, at least five flown by helicopter to
a hospital in Arizona tonight. Some of those children survived
because of a thirteen year old boy who helped them
hide behind trees. Tonight, who was behind this attack? ABC's
chief National Affairs course by a. Tom Yamas leads us
off from Mexico.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Nita and for a my grandchildren, Bert, shut up tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:00:39):
This charred bullet ridden suv marks the massacre that in Mexican.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
I'm sorry, but the way that guy was saying that
leads me to believe that he probably has thirty nine
other wives. Yeah, he wasn't too he not too pressed
about losing one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Did you hear that in his voice?

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Yeah, Nita and for a my grandchildren or burn.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
It almost sounds comical.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I fucking hate that this happened, Like, yeah, little kids,
little babies died at point blank range. But this guy
sounds like he doesn't fucking care, like he's being instructed
to sound sad.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Shot up tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
This charred bullet ridden suv marks the master of Mexican
drug cartel unleashed on an American family. Three women and
at least six children, including twin infants, ambushed and shot
in a remote mountainous area south of the US border.
These images show some of the survivors, including at least
five children, who were flown by helicopter to be treated

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for gunshot wounds in Tucson, Arizona. They somehow escaped the slaughter.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
The oldest, who is thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
I believe he hid them all under a bush on
the side of the road, told him to stay and
he ran.

Speaker 8 (01:01:53):
The victims all part of a fundamentalist Mormon group that
lived in the border region for decades. Victims relatives say
that group was traveling by caravan picking up family members
preparing for an upcoming wedding. They were traveling in three
separate SUVs, deep in Narco territory and amid an ongoing
cartel war. Mexican officials think the women's SUVs may have

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been mistaken by rival drug gangs. Relatives say at one point,
one of the mothers got out of her vehicle with
her hands up to show they were families. The gunman
shot her point blank in the chest.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Oh yeah, that the obviously the the fourteen children, the
three mothers. They never made it through their destination. Cartel
gunmen believed to be from uh Llania, a faction of
the war as cartel ambushed, ambushed, I love their beer,

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ambushed the convoy in broad daylight. The women begged for
their live bullets tore through the vehicles. One SHV exploded
into flames, with children trapped inside. When the smoke cleared,
nine people were dead, three women and six children. Babies
have been shot at point blank range, children who survived
hidden bushes for hours or wandered miles for help. Mexican

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officials claimed it was a case of mistaken identity, mistaking
the SUVs for a rival cartel's convoy after a shootout
earlier that day between Lania and Los Salazar, but family
members like kender Lee Miller, called bs. She said it
was an attack on innocent civilians on purpose, she told CNN,
suggesting the family was targeted to provoke a war between

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cartels and Sonora and Chihuahua. Julian le Baron, whose cousin
was among the dead, also believed it was a deliberate attack,
citing the family's anti cartel activism over time. A more
we'll call it complex picture e merged the convoy may
have been targeted to send a message. The li Barons

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had recently been vocal about local government corruption and cartel activity.
The family had participated in anti cartel marches. Some Mexican
officials were accused of delaying the investigation, refusing US help
and possibly even collaborating with cartels. Only a few low
level suspects were ever arrested in the wake of the massacre,

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though there were photos emerged of the Libaron men patrolling
their property now as outlooks now. The men patrol the
property with ar fifteens in body armor. Video showed them
running tactical drills and erecting barriers. Some reports even claimed
US Special Forces veterans were helping train the le Baron

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family to defend themselves from any further attacks. The media
began referring to them as the militia, the Militia Mormon.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
That's a pretty fucking sweet moniker, the Militia Mormons.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
I kind of like that. Julian le Baron called it necessary.
We can't rely on the government. We have to defend
our families. And they were not bluffing when they said
that they have private security drones for surveillance, satellite phones
and encryptied radios, a network of contacts on both sides

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of the border, and according to locals, they aren't afraid
to retaliate for a fucking second. These guys are so
convinced that polygamy marriage is that much more important than
having their goddamn heads whacked off by the cartel. But

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they just stay where they're at. I mean, I understand
they got roots now, and they kind of they've got
their own self sustained cities essentially.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Yeah, But at some point, I mean, win is like
enough a right old fourteen of us nine nine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
I'm sorry, give us a break, all right, We're getting
out of here. Yeah, I mean at once, at some point,
America's gonna be like, for the fucking God's sake, just
come back, you know, Just marry whoever you want. Just
fucking get out of the get out of dodge.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Yeah, keep these fuckers safe.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
And like on a I guess a philosophical level, don't
get me wrong. I'm I'm happily married. I love my
wife and I love being married to my wife. But
at the end of the day, marriage is just a
piece of paper, sure, especially if you're not like a
religious you and I were not religious, guys, Marriage is

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just a piece of paper. Let they say you took
an oath, you took a you swore before God, like okay,
I might have, but I don't think God's real. And yeah,
people lie every day so, and and you can ask
my wife. I'm an exceptionally loyal human being that I

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don't know. I'm a dog that doesn't leave the art
if you get what I'm saying. But I still think
marriage is just yeah, I mean, it's just the formality,
right it is. I'm proud to call my wife my wife,
and I'm proud that I'm glad that and I've said

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it before. One of the most attractive things about my
wife is that she has completely just like given herself
to me for her life. She said, like, Okay, you're
the man that you're the man I want to spend
my life with. And that's one of the most attractive
things to me about about my wife, that this woman

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loves me so much. She says, this is the only
dick She's riding till the cows come home. Baby, right right?
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to locals, they weren't afraid to retaliate. There are persistent
rumors of the US intelligence agencies CIADA even JSOC have
long had an interest in the Mormon communities of northern Mexico.
Why you ask, wellle Barians have dual citizenship and access
to cartel territories. They have knowledge of smuggling routes, they

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have a knowledge of they about which informants have worked
with the cartel. There's even a belief that the Mormons
have worked as informants for the US government. A theory
also goes on to suggest that the Libarion may have
been assisting US agencies in mapping cartel networks, and the

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twenty nineteen massacre was payback for the Mormons mapping out
all of the human trafficking routes used by the cartel.
And if you ask me, there's no more powerful of
a message to say, don't fuck with us than to
kill an entire convoy of mothers and children.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
And these people don't fucking care. It's nothing to them,
It is nothing. They don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
The the Libarons have underground tunnels used by both their
militia and the cartels. Either are just rumors, another rumor.
So there's a rumor that that the Libarons are kind
of doing their own bit of trafficking here. They're letting
the cartel and their own militia run run through these tunnels.

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There's also rumors that they run airstrips that have been
used for covert operations. There's rumors that the Liberians have
dirt on local politicians and even governors. Mexican authorities have
arrested thirty one suspects for uhuh the massacre, but only

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seven were charged with homicides shit. In November of twenty twenty,
Roberto Gonzalez alias the thirty two was nabbed as the
alleged mastermind, along with two other La Lania members. In
January twenty twenty five, a federal judge ordered the case
investigated as an act of terrorism, a first for a

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cartel attack. In twenty twenty two, a US court in
North Dakota, North Dakota, awarded the family's four point six
billion dollars WHOA under the Anti Terrorism Act. But collecting
from a Mexican based cartel is a bit of a
pipe dream.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
That's like that dude that broke into our house and
stole everything. There was a lawsuit filed against him by
US for fifteen hundred dollars for the shit that he
broke going through and we won, and uh we garnish
his paycheck in prison. And so far we've so far
we've collecked like seventeen dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
That's fucking great.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
He gets out in a few months. You better believe
him coming for that money. It's crazy good behavior. Imagine
that go figure. So yeah, they're never getting that four
point six billion dollars. That would suck there to win
a judgment for that much like our rich Just yep,
we're not getting in it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
You ain't seeing a single.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
So much of a pipe dream that the war has cartel.
They didn't even show up to the trial. They just
didn't fucking show up. They're u currently, the the LeBaron's
ranches are four to five like a so they've got
drones to fly nightly. But the cartel, they're kind of
they're ever present. The Mexican government, meanwhile, they seem to

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have given up and turned a blind eyed to all
this and haven't really investigated it to its fulest capacity.
I've heard that much of the people arrested have just
been essentially members of the cartel that instead of being killed,
they take the fall for some of this shit. There

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are people that are essentially exiled from the cartel as well.
So two birds, one stone. I feel like the government
get a little bit of justice, you know, all for
the LeBaron family. We just arrested twelve guys involved in
the massacre. But also these people that can't hack it
in the cartel are getting kind of put out there, and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
That's crazy, dirty business, dirty work, dirty dirty business. And
I thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
And to this day, the ship's still going on. I
mean this is only six years ago. Yeah, still very
much a fluid situation. But nonetheless, that is the tale
of the Mormon cartel blood war that's going on right
now and just south of our Mexican border as we speak.

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I don't want forty wives. I don't want four wives.
I can barely deal with the one I have right now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Right think of all those fucking kids these people have.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Hell no, dude, my wife's a handful.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Dude, I don't have money for the three that I
have at alone. Fucking forty little shitheads.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Double fucking des Oh, but they're just all kind of
doing their own thing out there, just that fucking dick
sling living on the land. It's wild, man, It's like
it's a it's a two groups of people that you
would never expect to clash. I mean, they're extreme on

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both ends, separate ends, right, they certainly are. I mean,
any real extremist group is going to be known for
doing wacky things, and that's exactly what this story is about.
They just I just wish the I wish the Mormons
would punch back, maybe kill, you know, do a couple
of guerrilla warfare attacks on the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Cartel, especially with all them guns, but.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Not the way it worked.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
All right again, Uh tickets, get them before they're gone,
because they will be gone. Please. Thought about doing a
Jerry poly shrine there at the Shoal. Yeah, I think
Tracy really enjoy that. But our first live show without him,
so yeah it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Damn So.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
We'll have him there in spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
That'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Oh ja. He would be so excited to hear us
doing something like this, he would and uh yeah, So guys,
thank you. I hope you have a wonderful week. I
hope you learned a little bit about the Mexican Mormon
cartel war. Remember there's gonna be a free Patreon episode

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about the one hundred pound animals. I took one hundred
pound shit earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
I think I took a couple of them.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
I air dropped a fucking fruit striped rob Dog. But
I did talk to Kane the other day, the wrestler.
Oh yeah yeah, And he's down man, he's ready to
He's ready to do the episodes, so do it. We'll
do that. So all right, I'm gonna go eat some spaghetti.

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Watched Reds game. Sounds like a night right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
They're delay, so I didn't even start yet. Cool, love
you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
I want to see your dance take