BONUS: Buckeye Huddle Primetime - Buckeyes Look Ready To Hit Ground Running - The Buckeye Weekly Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And welcome into Buckeheadle Primetime. Sorry I'm talking lowly because
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(00:24):
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(01:10):
A program announcement tomorrow or Friday. Mark Gibler and myself
going to be doing our first episode of the Skull
Session together, and the Skull Session is the flagship recruiting
show here at Buckeye Huddle. Not a lot of action
going on right now in Ohio State recruiting. I think
it's a good time to have kind of an overarching
discussion about recruiting philosophy at Ohio State, what's going on

(01:32):
around the country, and what we think may change for
the class of twenty twenty seven. A lot of Ohio
State fans really frustrated with the current state of the class.
The class of twenty twenty six certainly has some high
level studs, though definitely some really good evaluations as well,
but without a doubt, been a tough pill to swallow
when you see Ohio State coaches waste time and effort

(01:53):
and resources getting themselves in position to win a recruitment
in the classic sense and then lose the recruit in
the new age. Reality of recruiting, particularly coming off a
national championship season, so been difficult to see that been
difficult to see USC sitting with the number one class,
Oregon sitting with the number three class. Will it be

(02:15):
a one year thing? I think it's clear that they
are willing to accept it this year. I don't think
there will be any pivot. There won't be any doubling
back with a new approach on some guys that they lost.
At least that's what I've taken out of the previous
two times we've heard ross Byorick speak since the big change.
One of those statements he made it yesterday's press conference.

(02:36):
Yesterday's press conference about the game day atmosphere. That did
not deter Buckeye Huddle's own Tony Gerdaman from asking what
fans really want to know about. And we will talk
about that with Tony this evening, as Tony Gerdaman will
join us tonight here on the show, so we'll talk
to Tony about that. We'll talk to him about Ryan
Day's press conference as he dropped a really interesting piece

(02:58):
of news, and James spoke today. We'll see if Tony
took anything from James James is doing something really cool
with the guys. So every day in their meetings, he's
teaching them about one previous All American Ohio State linebacker,
which I love today was Pepper Johnson. Who doesn't love
pepper Man Super Bowl with the Giants then came to
the Browns. I always loved watching him, but I thought

(03:19):
it was so awesome that I tweeted about it earlier
and somebody said this should be mandatory in every position group.
After that Mount Rushmore video. And if you have not
seen the Mount Rushmore video that that Tooneman was speaking of,
Edwarck Houston walked around first off. Edward Houston is an
absolute superstar behind the mic. We've now seen him do
this multiple times. Huge personality and he is just fantastic.

(03:44):
But after practice he went around asking everybody on the
team to name their Mount Rushmore of Ohio State players. Now,
I don't know who's on your Mount Rushmore, but let's
hear what the guys have to say about it.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Like five all the time, it's four, it's four people
on my.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Young Okay, that's off the back, Like that's unanimous. Ted again,
Junior receiver Chris Carter. Last one I'm gonna go keep
you here. I'm gonna say, uh ce.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
De Dry, Orlando Pace, uh huh, Archie Griffin okay, Randy
Gradi Shark Okay, who that is?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Which is Amparrassy's the best?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'm also nineteen, That's.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
True, Grandy grad NFL Hall of Famer and College Football
Hall of Famer?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
What about?

Speaker 3 (04:32):
What about James Lordonidis?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Right, let's go, Mike Dawson. I gotta go chase you
on Zeke mar Jack Sawyer?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
You are?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
How old are you?

Speaker 3 (04:46):
I'm eighteen? Makes sense?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Got Baxton Miller, I got Ezekiel Elliott, I got Jeff Okuda.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
And I give me I gotta give.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Me Jack Suar My bo here, Maurice Corn, jash And
Smith and Jagba, Chase Young and last one quarter back.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I want to go quarter back.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Ryan Strams here, Marshawn Lattimore, Yam Hayward, James.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Horn, thank you, and I got an honorible mention Chase Young.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
No, cap I'm about to say you Chase, you gotta
be Chase.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
You gotta do the boss. Yeah, I'm gonna do Captain Jack.
That Texas play. You can't beat that Wyant Chase Nick Joey,
I'm gonna go.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
So tough.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm gonna go.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I'm gonna go J T J. T Okay, that's the
funny question.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
A g all right, my Mount Rushmore, Chase Young, Uh
gotta go, Zekiel Elliott, I'm gonna go Recent. I'm gonna
say uh, I'm gonna say Jack Sawyer, and then I'm
gonna go old school Day.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Nottis James Laurnis is old school and that makes me
officially old. But pretty funny listening to the young guys
talk about their Mount Rushmore. So like, to me, for
the Mount Rushmore, you have got to I mean, there's
been so many great players come that have come through
Ohio State. Like, it's got to be great player and

(06:23):
something really unique. It's got to be something a little
extra because the list it's so difficult to differentiate. However,
there are a couple of guys that really need to
be on anyone who's making a serious Mount Rushmore right.
Orlando Pace is in the running for the greatest at
his position of all time at every level of football.

(06:44):
He's in the running for the most dominant offensive player
in the history of college football. If you get a
player like that, come through your school. Also from the
home state, a guy who honestly really maybe number one
in the history at his position in every level of football.
It's just he really is. He's got to be on
your mount rushmore, whether you find his position sexy or not.

(07:05):
So Orlando Pace has to be number one. Also at
Ohio State, obviously you got the only two time Heisman
Trophy winner in the history of the award. It's Archie Griffin.
And in addition to that, a guy who has stayed
around the university and essentially been the ambassador of Ohio
State athletics for all this time. Anytime they need something,

(07:25):
he's there. In fact, we'll talk about some of these
traditions with Tony in a little bit. Archie will be
the one starting off one of those traditions. I just
don't think those guys can be left off. And Archie,
you know, he's omnipresent. He really is, just like he
is Ohio State. So to me, it's number three or
four where it gets difficult. But number three when I

(07:46):
talk about, to me, it's got to have a little
bit of extra something. Can't just be a great player.
How about the one hundred year old stadium that the
Buckeyes are playing in which has a few nicknames. I
talk often about Ohioans and their love for their Buckeyes.
Chick Harley turned that up to one hundred playing in
a twenty thousand seat Ohio Field Stadium, and he drew
enough interest that led them to the money being raised

(08:09):
to build the stadium. The house that Harley built, It's
just a monumental contribution to Ohio State football. He was
Ohio State's first ever consensus Al American, first ever three
time All American, led the Buckeyes do their first Big
Ten championship. After two years at Ohio State, he left
and fought in the War, then came back and played

(08:30):
his final year and got the Buckeyes their first win
over Michigan, a game where he had four interceptions, a
game that after the game, Fielding Yost address the team.
You boys gave a grand exhibition of football strategy, and
while I'm dreadfully sorry that we lost, I want to
congratulate you and you, mister Harley, I believe, are one
of the finest little machines I've ever seen. He was

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a running back, a safety, a kicker, a punter. His
running style once described kind of a cross between music
and cannon fire. It brought your heart up under your ears.
He was five foot eight, one hundred and sixty five pounds.
So those are my first three. Those ones relatively easy
for me. It's the fourth that I have a hard time.
And I got a couple of players in the discussion,

(09:13):
but the one that I always come back to is
the guy that won the Heisman Trophy by the biggest
margin ever at the time. Troy Smith, a Clevelander who
was an athlete coming in playing running backs some his
freshman year and in his own class was Justin Swick,
thought at the time by all of us to be
one of the best in the country and a guy

(09:34):
that most of us were incredibly excited for. And when
Troy moves full time to quarterback, the reports coming out
were it was Troy who was impressing the team, The
players wanted Troy, and man, it was disheartening. I didn't
take it as Troy it was going to be some
great quarterback. I took it as Justin Swick was a bust.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Here.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
We got this gun slinger, supposed to be one of
the top quarterbacks in the country and he's getting beat
out by a dual threat guy, so takes over as
the starter five games left in four beats. Michigan then
gets suspended for the Alamo bull which adds to the story.
The five hundred dollars handshake adds to the story. Many
were out on him, like many of the fans like that,
you know, they don't like that stuff. So a shaky

(10:15):
start guy ends up beating Michigan three times, first starting
quarterback to do that in like fifty years, maybe sixty
or seventy years. It was amazing the amount of confidence
that you felt as an Ohio State fan with Troy
Smith at quarterback. Just felt a little different man. Troy
was just a little different. Troy was always going to
make a play and obviously two thousand and six a
dominant team and of course one of the more unfortunate

(10:39):
endings to a career you could ever have. Who needs
to get into that game ESPN's Big Ten Player of
the Decade, So Troy Smith gets my vote for number four.
That is Orlando Pace, Archie Griffin, Chick, Harley, Troy Smith.
My number five is Eddie George. I would love to
know what our Tony Gerdaman thinks about my Mount Rushmore uh,

(11:02):
never a guy without an opinion. So let's welcome on
to bucke Hill a prime time for the first time,
Tony Gernaman, Tony, how you doing, Buddy.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Jack, Thanks for having me on the long time listeninger,
first time caller. I as as you're talking all of
these names, I'm like, Okay, well, the first one's right,
and you've got you've got the second one. I was
I was waiting for Chick Harley there because I think
it's absolutely Chick Carley, Orlando based Archie Griffin. And then
you've got the arguments for four and I think there
are a handful of players who have that. And I

(11:34):
was thinking about this today because I never like to
put a fourth guy there. I just go with Woody
Hayes because it's nice and easy. That eliminates eliminates all
of the arguments. But it came to me it's either
Troy Smith or Chris Bielman, because Chris Bielman was that
guy when I was growing up. That was he He
was a legend. But you know, and he's won some awards,

(11:57):
but he didn't win the Heisman. And as you said,
you know, there's just a sense of confidence with Troy
so I don't have an issue having Troy there. I
think the best player I've ever seen at Ohio States
Orlando Pace. The best player that I've seen lately, I
think is Chase Young. But I I don't want to

(12:19):
go there with That's too early, that's too recent, I think.
And although even though well Edric Houston is throwing out
Chase Young, he's like, let's go recent, and he goes
with you know whoever like that just just played Jack
Sawyer or or you know j T. Twe Molo or whatever.
It's like, I still consider Chase Young quite recent. Sorry,
but he was. His season was the most dominating defensive

(12:43):
season I've seen before that it was Millie Cooker but
defensive Mount Rushmore. I would also have like Antoine Winfield
on there, but I'm okay with Troy Smith like I've
I don't think I've ever gone with a fourth player.
I just I just wimp out and go with with
be there to make it easy. But long, long answer, short,

(13:03):
short answer. Long. I would probably go Troy Smith as well,
because he's got the Heisman, he's got three and zero
against Michigan, he's got all those things you said, and
he does have something extra special. He's got a few
things extra special, being like what the last guy in
the class, and uh a kick returner has a true
or a red shirt freshman and just having a lot

(13:23):
of doubts about him, Yeah, having to overcome them.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, And that's what I That's what I like. You
just need a little something extra when you're talking about
so many great players. But I'm with you that Chase
Young feels awfully recent. And also that was just the
most dominating season I've seen in my adult life.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Spielman obviously a huge personal favorite of mine, but so
many great linebackers. I have a hard time putting one
above the next, to be honest. But as I was
talking about this Mount Rushmore and in the video that
those guys put together, and I'm jotting down my notes
for the show tonight, it got me thinking about the
Texas game and Troy Smith and him playing them twice.

(14:05):
James Laura Nitis brought up that game earlier today. As
we sit now, I think less than twenty five days
now out from the game, I heard that Texas things
not going so great right now for them coming out
of camp. At least that's what Sark wants everybody to believe.
Ryan Wingo missed a week because he was thirsty, So
I was told by the on Texas guys that he

(14:25):
was a better prospect than Jeremiah. I can't see Jeremiah
missing a week because he was thirsty. But how are
you feeling about that game now as we're twenty four
days out?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
You know, not too bad about it in terms of
the Ohio State side of things, because I think you
look at Texas and you're concerned about their defense, but
the interior of the defensive line is brand new, five
transfer defensive tackles, and who knows how those guys shape up.
We know they've got excellent linebackers. They've lost some guys

(14:55):
in the secondary as well, just like Ohio State has.
But I feel good about Ohio State's offensive line. The
question is obviously Julian's saying, I feel good about everything
around the offense, and I don't feel bad about the quarterback.
It's just this is a rough first start. So if
you're going to feel relatively bad about something, you're going

(15:15):
to feel about the quarterback. And then the Texas offensive line,
they're still putting some stuff together, So does that give
the Ohio State defense defensive line an advantage. It should,
but can they contain arch Manning in terms of the
running game and the rollouts and just the scrambles and
the escaping that he can do. I don't know that
they want to run him a bunch, but I also

(15:36):
know that they don't want him to just stand in
the pocket. So I think containing him is the major thing.
I think the secondary is going to be okay, So
I feel like Ohio State is well positioned to win
this one. I think all the attention on the eyeballs
around Texas and arts Manning, even though the game is
in Columbus, I think maybe maybe there'd be more Would

(15:57):
there be more eyes on Ohio State if this is
a night game rather than a day game. Would there
be more expectations for Ohio State to do something special
if this is a night game rather than that just
a typical day game. I don't know, but I keep
saying like twenty one to seventeen, twenty four to twenty one,
something like that. Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Okay, Well, that feels great to hear you say that.
I'm honestly feeling the same way. I just the fact
that the Buckeyes have remained the favorite all this time. Honestly,
I find it strange that it feels like when I
hear people talk about the game, ninety percent of the
pundits and even a lot of Buckeye fans picking Texas
and saying, you know, not gonna hurt you too much.

(16:37):
It's okay, But I think they really got a realistic
shot to win this game, as they should as the
favorite at home with a really, really good team. Obviously,
we saw these quarterbacks the other day. You have watched
them for three days of practice. I noticed that you
did say, Julian Sayan is the one concern in the
midst of what Ryan Day calls a pretty thick competition.

(16:59):
Still knowing what Ryan Day requires out of a quarterback
and knowing what these two guys strong suits are, it
seems to me to be pretty much a formality that
Julian's saying ends up the quarterback. And I wouldn't be
surprised if we heard that the next time Ryan days
at the podium, which will be the eighteenth, two weeks
left to go before the game. But are you feeling

(17:24):
kind of the same way.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, you know, Julian had a very strong practice on Saturday,
as you saw, and finished well and with Ryan deaa'z
always do the routine things routinely, and that's I think
what Julian was doing very well that day. I've said
it before in the Buckie Weekly podcast, though, just because
somebody is eight of ten passing, you don't know whether
those eight completions were to the right reads or those

(17:48):
were just quick dump offs because he didn't stay with
the progressions. And you don't know if somebody's five or
twelve was better than that because they made the right reads.
It's just the fourth team receiver or the walk on
left god, you know, didn't hold up there under the bargain.
So you know, you can't just like necessarily look at
numbers or hey, he completed a pass, even though that's
what we do, you know. I mean, we can only

(18:10):
do so much while we're watching practice and trying to
share information. But yeah, I've for a while this summer,
I was just trying to just whenever i'd write about
the quarterback situation, I'd be like, you know, Julian Saying
or Lincoln Keynolts, and I just maybe I just got
tired of putting two names down slot of typing. So
it's just like, you know what I'm doing it. It's
not because I'm lazy, I promise. I'm just going to

(18:34):
go with everybody's not. The majority of people expect Julian
Saying to win the job. And is that fair to
Lincoln Keynolts know? Is I going to keep him from
winning the job? No, He's gonna have every opportunity to.
So we're just talking to quarterbacks. I think the quarterbacks
have learned a long time ago through other quarterbacks. Don't
listen to social media. Don't listen to people talking about them.

(18:54):
Nothing good is going to come from it. Everybody's going
to be angry at you at some point or another.
People hated CJ. Stroud, people hated J. T. Barrett, people
hated Troy Smith after that National Championship game. It only
takes one bad game to hear it from people, So
just don't listen to him. So yeah, I'm still until
I see otherwise or hear otherwise I'm told otherwise, I'm

(19:14):
going to go with Julian Saying. But I absolutely believe
like if Lincoln plays better, he's the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Right, I'm with you there. So Ryan Day made an
interesting comment that caught my attention yesterday. A couple of them,
but one of them was and I've heard him say
this a couple of times this offseason, about being a
quarterback more than just you know, playing on the field,
owning the huddle, owning the cadence, making sure everybody hears you.

(19:40):
And I haven't ever heard him bring this up so much,
And I'm thinking maybe he's bringing this up so much
because these guys aren't doing such a great job with that.
And Julian obviously pretty quiet dude. Honestly, Lincoln is a
pretty quiet dude too. They're both kind of reserved. Neither
of them a very outgoing personality, certainly nothing like Will Howard. However,
listening to Lincoln now I'm sorry, listening to Julian last

(20:04):
year versus listening to him just the other day talking
and again, then I saw him on an interview with
Zach Herb Street on on three, where he was clearly
the more outgoing one in that interview. But it sounds
to me like he's coming out of his shell a
little bit. Did you pick up on the same thing.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, And that's interesting as well, because talking even talking
with Julian back at one of the Bowl games. He
was still a true freshman and he hadn't been through
the summer that in the winter in the summer that
he has, and he's different and the same thing. That
was one of the things I noticed about Lincoln Knots
talking to him in the spring, like he was a
totally different player in terms of talking with the media.
And what does that mean? Just means they're more comfortable

(20:45):
with themselves. They're more comfortable with everything, and so there's
no like wavering in the voice when you talk to
players where they're not sure what they want to say
or how to say it. Like Lincoln was a completely
changed player person from you know, a few months of
off season competition for this job, and I think it'll

(21:07):
grow you up quickly, you know how the being a
president or the Ohio State head coach will aid you
quickly being in a competition started at Ohio State at
a quarterback. Will we'll grow you up and then and
then eventually ade you. But yeah, I think both of
them have stepped up in that way where the more.
I mean, if you can speak to a locker room,
it's no problem speaking to a bunch of you know,

(21:28):
us they're standing around a table.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Tavian Saint Clair sure has that down in spades already.
Pretty impressive man.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well, and he's been he's been doing interviews for years now, right,
I mean he's been He's been doing interviews with Ohio
State Media for years now, and it's the biggest beat
in sports. So like, yeah, that's gonna be easy for
him now.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, yeah, pretty impressive stuff. I want to get to
the big thing that Ryan Day said yesterday. Now, I
listened to you last night talk about this, and you
didn't seem let me tell everybody what happened here. I
wish I had it to play it and loaded up.
So Ryan Day was talking about Austin Sirehveld playing tackle

(22:08):
and then slipped in left tackle and it sounded like
he made an error and was asked to clarify and
he said no, no left tackle, which is obviously like
hold on, what a lot of questions here from that.
But he went on to talk about you know, he
talked to Mick, talked to Tyler Bowen, ab I've talked
about the measureables and does he have everything needed to

(22:30):
play tackle? But he was speaking of left tackle. Well,
this brings up a lot of questions. Ethan On jan
Wa obviously a massive transfer brought in here, very expensive transfer,
guy that everybody wanted to be the left tackle, Austin Siahveld.
We've seen his trajectory just go up and up and up.
And when it was in the spring he was taking

(22:53):
that right tackle position, it looked like everybody's looking at
this like is this really what this is gonna be?
Certainly seems like so pretty impressive stuff. When's the ironbuck
eye for the second time? Like the guy I think
deserves a captaincy at this point, but now he's talking
about left tackle and this just blew me out of
the water.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Tony.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
You didn't sound you didn't like, what are you thinking here?

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Well, the funny thing is we had a regular on
our board mentioned this before fall camp started because he said,
you know, look for Austin Siraveld at left tackle and
ethan On on what right tackle? And so first three
days we did and it's like, no, that's it's Austin
Siravel at right tackle an ethan On on my left tackle.
And so yeah, this came kind of out of the

(23:36):
blue from from Ryan Day. And and yet you know,
they've moved around. We've seen Austin Siravel at left tackle
last year in camp. He played everywhere frankly in camp
when they were they were injured. He'd be at left
tackle for one snap and left guard the next and
just be moving around doing double work. But it it's interesting.

(23:56):
I don't know if it's settled because they're trying to
fit figure out what all of these guys can do.
They want to know, Okay, if something does happen to
left tackle, can Austin handle that? Or maybe were they
looking to see if if something does happen left tackle,
can Ethan handle that?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know?

Speaker 3 (24:13):
So now they're getting information on both of those guys.
So I don't know. I do know there's still in
the information gathering phase right now, and then whatever happens
with that information, they'll place those guys. I will say
Oneano played right tackle all but last year at Rice,
so that's it. He's he played right tackle against Texas

(24:33):
in twenty twenty three, so he's had he didn't play
pretty well, so that's not that's not no big thing
for him. I think it's it's interesting, certainly, and you know,
we've think everybody maybe doubted Austin Siravel early because you know,
you're red red shirt freshman. You're not supposed to be
playing at this point, especially some of these you know,

(24:55):
three star kids or whatever, and you know, Ohioan's where
it's like, clearly we'll see you in year four, you know,
just you know, buck up, young kid, and the way
he turned it on last year during during the illness
when the room was decimated and he just took all
the snaps and got better and then it's like, now
he's a really good player. And at the end of
the spring, Ryan Day said, I don't know who my

(25:16):
starting five is. Austin's gonna be in there, so we'll see.
I think I don't think it's set left tackle, right tackle.
I think it's too early. But would I be shocked
now if he's at left tackle, No, because he's practicing.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
There really impressive stuff. Man, watching his rise, it's really
been impressive. But aside from those starters, who I think
outside of Manianua and Austin, you got Carson, Luke and
tegra I think that's what we kind of all expect
right now. If it didn't end up that way, be
pretty surprising. But outside of those guys when we look

(25:48):
at just the offensive line, in the personnel all throughout
the room. I was going through the other day Justin
Fry's recruits the other day and Austin Ciravilde was one Montgomery,
Josh Padilla, Ian Moore, gave Van Sickle, Jake Cook, Javon
mcfedd and Carter Low Like. The only guys that don't
appear ahead of schedule, and this isn't a bad thing

(26:11):
are the Armstrong twins. These are the only guys that
don't appear ahead of schedule a crazy high hit rate.
And what blew me away over the weekend was watching
even Javon mcfedden, a true freshman in one on one reps,
just Stonewall, Kaden McDonald, our stud defensive tackle. I am
so impressed now at the depth of this room. And

(26:33):
I'm not like, there was no way that I thought
I would be thinking that at this point in the year.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Well and gave Van Sickel. I was told the story
last year. He was a June en rollie last year,
and so like during summer workouts, he he went like
they were pushing something and pulling something and he went
running and passing by some of the veterans, and there
was like just a whooshing going past as he was
pushing this letter or whatever, and it's like, who in
the heck is that guy? And it's like, that's Gabe

(26:59):
Van Sickle. He's gonna red shirt, but we'll see what
he does as a red shirt freshman. And he's you know,
with the twos at right guard. I think Jake Cook
is maybe the story of all of this, you know, yeah,
true freshman being the number two left guard and he
might be the next Austin Seerveld in terms of who
is this guy? Why is he doing so well? You
know pet elf line type of thing. You just you know,

(27:21):
you give it. You give a guy an opportunity and
then they make the most of it and then they
never give it back. And I think I mentioned this
with with Tom or on one of one of our
shows that just recently, this is the earliest and the
best and most solidified top ten offensive line that I

(27:42):
can remember at Ohio State, because I think, you know,
the top ten and then it's just a matter of
can somebody pushed in front of them or get in there,
because you know, Ian Moorett left tackle, Philip Daniels at right, tackle,
Jake Cook, game Fan Sickle, and then Josh Padilla at center.
Like that's but you're ten right there. Those are all
of your backups, and Day said it this past week,

(28:05):
you feel pretty good about eight to nine and ten
maybe getting some time this year.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
It's pretty it's pretty ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Looking back just in twenty twenty three, heading into the season,
I remember thinking like, it is gonna be years before
they're able to turn this around. Things looked really, really
bleak at that point, and then you win a national
championship in twenty four in much part thanks to that
depth stepping up, and you enter into twenty twenty five
looking like you just said, one of the best you've

(28:35):
seen in a long long time, which is just really cool.
Now looking at this class of twenty twenty six, heading
into it, I was thinking, all right, listen, you want
six offensive linemen in this class, but if you get five,
that'd be okay. Well, sitting at four, and now that
we've seen Jake Cook and Carter Low and Jayvon McFadden

(28:58):
looks like they're all going to hit, I'm not nearly
is concerned with bringing in five or six at this point,
I'd be okay with four because I really like the four.
A little bit of a scare. Yesterday for those who
hadn't seen Ohio State commit, Aaron Thomas on three tweeted
was visiting Florida State. Aaron said, that's cap. I talked
to Aaron today. He said his parents obviously they both

(29:18):
went to Florida State, which we talked about a lot
during his recruitment, and they just go to games throughout
the year. He's like, I'm not even going now, so
it wasn't a recruiting visit at all. Somebody caught winto that.
On three tweeted it to drum up some some stuff.
But those four certainly seems solidified, and uh boy, I
really like those fours. So now I feel pretty comfortable

(29:39):
with that. Are you okay with that?

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah? I mean, and you've got Justin Terry transferring over
from West Virginia as a redchhert freshman, so like they
you can always backfill with that. So yeah, I think
it's fine. We'll see what the development is. And I
love the way they do their coaching, the offensive line
coaching staff with you know, three legit offensive line coaches

(30:03):
that can really spend some time with you guys, and
that's only going to help the development.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Being able to pull that off like that is just
flex and Ohio State muscle right there. Those are high
level coaches, man. Uh that that is just really impressive.
I do want to hit on a couple of the
positions with you, as we watched a lot of stuff
on Saturday. I want to start at wide receiver. Now.
Last year watching Brandon Innis, you could definitely see the leadership.
You can see he's a dog of a competitor, pretty

(30:31):
good athlete. Never struck me as a dynamic type of athlete,
but watching him Saturday, he just flashed all day on
a field full of elite football players, even when he
wasn't making a play. As that's a really good one.
That's a really I did a double take several times.
Now we know what he means to the team in
his leadership capacity and whatever he thinks of him. Does

(30:53):
he look more dynamic to you than he used to?

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah, he's got a little bit more uh in jigbat
to him. I think now you're seeing the quickness, the
ability to make people miss, where before I think he
got too big and now he's dropped a little bit
of weight, but as you said, he's setting personal records
and all of his strength and speed tests and all
of that stuff. So he definitely looks looks more dynamic

(31:20):
after the catch, before the catch, during the catch. He
there's one catch where he had on Saturday, I think
where he got popped over the middle, but he held
onto it. So yeah, he's a guy that I have.
I feel a lot better now having seen the current
iteration of Brandon because last year was it was fine,

(31:41):
but it was fine. You know, it's like it was
more kJ Hill than a Mecca Buka, you know where
it's like, it's fine, but is it NFL top three
rounds draft pick? It wasn't lot last year, and you know,
I don't know the second year, there a lot of those,
you know, But this year he looks as dynamic as

(32:04):
you would want. And I'm fascinated to see how it
goes because I do think he's strong enough to run
the ball and sweeps, like there are some things you
can do, and as he mentioned, he can also throw
the ball and you know he was he did it
as a junior at American Heritage to help out and
these overall just as Irvin Meyer used to say, he's
an energy giver, not an energy taker.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
The interesting thing is in the spring, there was a
lot of people after, you know, seeing Myle and Graham
kind of break out, and people hadn't seen his athleticism,
and boy, he's something. Man, He's a marvel. He's clearly
a first round athletic talent. We've seen plenty enough to
know that that's what that looks like.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
And b I.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Maybe you want to see Mylin in that role a
little more than him. And I remember we did quite
a few shows and people were going back and forth.
I was kind of leaning that way, like, yeah, it
might be better, but you owe it to be I
But now I just don't think so. I think I
don't think I want to see that over Brandon. I
think I'm pretty set with this. But I you know,

(33:07):
you do want to see Milon on the field. You'd
love to see Quincy Porter on the field. I even
feel like Bryson Rodgers deserves a shot to get some
more snaps. He's so polished, he's fast, he catches the ball. Great.
You're looking at six guys I think here that can
really contribute at a very high level. Do you think
we're gonna see a bigger a bigger rotation this year?

(33:28):
Could this be the year we see that?

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Well, it should be. But you know, Brian Hartline is
not stubborn. It's just he's got a high ceiling on
his players and it takes a while for the younger
players to get there. But I think what Brandon innis
average about thirteen snaps a game last year, I would
I would like to see Mylon Graham do more than that.
And that's but again, you know, Mylon's gonna be like

(33:54):
Carnell's backup, so and Quincy Porter is Jeremiah Smith's backup,
and Bryson Rodgers is the backup in the slot, and
maybe he might view himself as a co starter. So
you know, in terms of Mylon Graham getting Brandon Innes's snaps,
he's going to grow into a player that can play
inside and out and and that takes some time, and

(34:17):
he's you know, he's he's progressing very well now, just
because this is nothing new for him now. But in
terms of these snaps, you also got to remember you've
got two tight ends that are gonna play a lot.
They're gonna play a lot of twelve personnel because of
Max Claire, Willcasmerk and the advantages that they have with that.

(34:38):
So then that means you're probably getting fewer snaps for
your slot receiver. And in that way, because who you
can take off the field, Carnel Tate, Jeremiah Smith or
or Brandon Nis, probably Brandon Innis or whoever. You know,
maybe maybe that's when you run in the ball, you
give Jeremiah the break. You're like, all right, come on out, Jeremiah,
and you and you let Brandon Ennis and Carnel Tate

(34:59):
go and could do those things, but there's point it's
a terrible problem to have, like how are you gonna
get these receivers all of these snaps? So you've got
Max Claire out there too. In the freshman Quincy porter
Philip Bell, Wow, he stood out. He stood out on Saturday.
He's just kept getting open. And I don't know if
that's because some of it's because he's playing against second

(35:20):
stringers and third stringers or whatever. But when they continue
to show up, I think that means something.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
For sure, they look like total steals. And when I
say steels, you know there were a lot of wide receivers.
They were getting huge dollars in the class of twenty
twenty five. Quincy ended up a five star. I'm certain
he got you know, got taken care of fairly, but
he could have got a massive check somewhere else. Philip
Bell was if you'd really highly early on in the

(35:46):
class and then kept dropping for some reason. But it
looks like they had it right the first time around.
The dude looks electric. These guys are future dudes. Hardline
just keeps on doing it. But I was blown away
by the freshman class of twenty twenty five. I loved
it on paper. I followed it closely. I thought, because
I had a lot of interactions with a lot of
guys in the class, that I was over inflating it

(36:07):
maybe in my head. But man, when you look at
some of these guys out there, they look like they
belong right away, and I mean a lot of them.
Those two, the three offensive linemen, Bo Jackson obviously, TJ
and Riley Fahem Delane, just on and on and on.
They look like they belong. And my question to you is,

(36:28):
I've never had eyes on freshman classes over the year.
You've seen a lot of them come through does it
strike you as this one is particularly it has more
of those type dudes than usual.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Line The linebacker situation is interesting because they're already linebacker sized,
and even James Lorniis was talking about it today where
he's only been here for a couple of years to
see some actual true freshmen, and yeah, they're They're bigger
than Garrett Stover and Peyton pierce Worth for sure. But
you know, overall, there's I wasn't sure what to think

(37:06):
about the receivers, and again it's it's still very early.
I'm all in on Quinc supporter. I've been all in
on Quinc supporter well before he was committed that that
he's he seems like the next guy up, and he
lost his black stripe really really quickly. Dez Jones and
Philip Bell are both slot guys, and you know, we'll
see how they develop. I wasn't expecting either of them

(37:26):
to play this year, and really I don't know that
they will. I think both will red shirt. And then
you know, Bob Miller, of course, we know it's good.
That's gonna take some time, but there's certainly things to
like there. And again, I think you know, the skill positions. Overall,
this is my first time seeing Turbo Rogers in camp,

(37:47):
and he showed up every single day, and what would
show up out of nowhere because you couldn't see him
behind the line of scrimmage, behind the offensive line, and
if you're watching from like on that third day, I
went and watched in the far corner while you guys
were like in the end zone. I went in the
far corner towards with with the fans. I don't even
know if I was supposed to be over there, but
I wanted to see more of the quarterbacks. But you're

(38:10):
watching from whatever distance away and you lose sight of them,
So defense is gonna lose sight of him and then boom,
he just he just pops out and he's he's impressive.
But again, I don't know that he's gonna play more
than four regular season games this year because you've got
Bo Jackson, you've got Sammy, Samuel Dixon, now that he's

(38:30):
dropped the Williams. Yeah, so it's it's gonna be tough
to get those true freshmen some carries.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
And I say, don't forget Bo's one of those true freshmen.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Tone well, yes, and I think forty nine carries is
what James People's had last year. Kind of feel like
maybe that's what Bo Jackson would do because of the
Samuel Dixon factor as well, where it's not just gonna
be Bo Jackson getting all of the cleanup carries. But

(39:00):
also I think there's not as much drop off from
the top to Bo Jackson, where last year there's more
drop off from Trevion Henderson and quinch On Judkins to
James People's And that's no slide on James People's. You're
talking about two guys with you know, thousands of yards
rushing between them. So I feel like there would be

(39:21):
more opportunities for Bo Jackson. And I'll tell you what,
whenever Ryan Day starts talking about him, he has to
stop himself a little bit and not go too far overboard.
And when he does that with players again, that means
something to me because you can see it just like
everybody today when they're asked the linebackers today and James

(39:43):
learn I just were asked about Peyton Pierce. You can
just you can about you could hear the twinkle, you
know before they started talking about him, And that's the
way it is with Bo Jackson as well. Yeah, I
think that Bo is just a little bit different. I
think he is, you know, just skills wise. I think
he's number one in that room already. He creates when
it's not there. I think that there will be no

(40:06):
Sam Dixon tick and carries away from bow.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
That's my prediction on that one. But linebackers today, James
said he views Sonny, Arvel and Peyton all at three
as his starters, which I love to hear. But yeah,
the twinkle in the eye about Peyton just continues with
Matt Patricia being a linebacker guy and these guys being
a strength of the defense. You know, we talked about

(40:32):
early on Ryan Day saying that you know it's the
Buckeye defense. We're gonna bring in the guy who's going
to run that defense, and Patricia comes in obviously, Yes,
he can do it. He can do a lot of
other things. Part of me feels like the way things
seem to have gone with him so great, the way
he's assimilated, the way everybody seems to love him, that
maybe with the situation on the defensive line, with the

(40:55):
linebackers being a strength, we do see maybe an accelerated
version of of some some different things than we otherwise
might not have maybe a little more creativity using those linebackers.
Or maybe I'm just wishing that because I love to
have fun with some linebackers.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
What do you think I think you're saying what we're
all saying, have some three linebacker sets and let Sonny
and our Vel, you know, alternate one of those guys
goes in Russia as the passer at some point you
know where you know, you can get those three guys
on the field and Peyton Pierce can stay back in
linebacker and Sonny or our Vel can stay back, and
then one or the other can go and get after

(41:31):
the quarterback. Because when Matt Patricia talks about when he
this spring, when he came in, and even before spring,
because I think we maybe talked to him in the
winter when he was hired, talking about, well, you just
look at Sonny and you look at our Vel and
the length and then all of the different things that
you know, you start to imagine in terms of what
we could do with them defensively and how we would
implement them. And you know, it gets to what Jim

(41:54):
Knowles used to talk about, where you're the you just
you're in the lab trying to come up, trying to
concut and that's what Matt Patrice is doing. And you know,
and James Lord and I is going to fight for
his guys the entire way. And he talked about fighting
to keep r vel Reese back at linebacker after his
freshman year, fighting to get Sonny Styles moved to linebacker

(42:14):
from from defensive back. And so yeah, he's gonna be
all in favor of whatever they want to do because
you can't afford to do some things with Sonny or
rvel that are different because you've got Peyton Pierce there.
And I tried to ask James today, is Peyton Pierce
ahead of where ourvelle was last year and where Cody

(42:35):
Simon was the two years before that? And that's that's
another time where he said, well, you know, I just
view all three of them as starters, and they're all
they're all here, and it's like, I understand that, but
is he ahead of where r vel Reese was? And
is he ahead of where Cody Simon was? And that
was a year or two after Cody Simon was starting
at middle linebacker for Ohio State until he got injured.

(42:55):
And you know, Tommy Eickenberg stepped in there, but I
just think it's it's a really good trio. And then
there's some guys behind him, and I don't even want to,
you know, forget Garrett Stover, who's right bed for days.
And we'll see what he can do on special teams
this year, because James Lownidas said it last year. He's

(43:16):
not on kickoff return, you know, kickoff coverage and then
something's wrong. So I would like, I assume he would
he would be have an opportunity to do that this year.
But I also think Riley Petty, John T. J Alford,
they're going to find some snaps for them somewhere, because
guys like that, you got to show them that that
you you know, you'll you'll give them some time so

(43:37):
that they don't ever get impatient with the with the process.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Can't get impatient.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
You wrote an article today over at buckeheddle dot com
talking about the Buckeyes position flexibility on the edges. I
feel much better than uh than I than I did.
You know at the end of the season. Obviously there's
been some moves made. Uh you bring in bo Atkinson,
He adds a differ to mention Kenyata Jackson looks amazing,
looks like the leader of the room, looks more explosive.

(44:06):
Finished the season really really well. Kayden Curry looks like
he's put on some weight. He had a really good
day Saturday. I loved watching him. Logan not so sure
about him yet. We'll have to wait and see. But
when Matt Patricia was talking about how much he likes
creating jobs and he feels it's very important to create
jobs for guys, that really stands out to me, and

(44:29):
it makes me think I've been pretty dug in on
the CJ. Hicks situation, not going to be very impactful
on this defense. And my thought behind that was, if
you've got the option to use rvel Ree or CJ.
Hicks in some kind of package like that, and you
got Peyton Pierce who could fill in, I'm going to
use rvel Reese, but maybe he wants to use CJ.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Hicks.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Regardless, looking at him the other day, he looked like
he belonged in that room and he didn't before everything
was smoother. He's watching him in the spring game, it
was not there at all. Yeah, he may made a
couple of plays, but you know, play in play out.
When he was out there, did not look like an ad.
You didn't look like the rest of the guys playing,
And now he looks different. Obviously he's got the speed,

(45:13):
he's got the twitch. I'm starting to feel like maybe
I'm going to be eating my words on that one town.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Well, and you know, keep in mind Sunny styles the
first half of last season. You know, with his in
his first year of linebacker, he got better and better
and better. And I think you'll see the same thing
C J. Hicks. I don't know how many snaps he's
going to play. I think the the over under the
base line, just whatever Mitchell Melton did last year, can
you do more than that? I think that's maybe the
baseline right now, where are you the fourth guy? Are

(45:43):
you the fifth guy? And then you'll have your opportunities
what do you do with them? I thought it was
very interesting in the spring where you see him kind
of as a weak side defensive end. They're always putting
him up against a tight end on the right side
or whatever, so that he would have to deal with
all that crap and there'd be a running back over
there to chip as well, So he was dealing with
it was not just an easy go get the quarterback.

(46:05):
They put him through the wood chipper and tried to
get him as up to speed as possible. But I
also don't this is not a this is not a
move for this Texas game. This is a move for
the next Texas game, for cj X where Okay, now,
now we've got a weapon there. But overall in Logan, Georgia,
he was a little banged up on Saturday, so it
didn't really I don't think we got to see much

(46:26):
of him. All of these guys, and I wrote about it,
they're all different. He mentioned Kenyatta Jackson. Just looking at him,
you're like, if he put on i don't know, fifteen
to twenty more pounds, he would look like Chase Young
in terms of just the frame, because he's he's listened
at two sixty five. But he still looks like he
could he could handle more. And I can't wait to

(46:49):
see what he looks like, because again, the way people
talk about him, it's as if he's already done everything,
and I think he has like what three and a
half career sacks, right, he hasn't. He hasn't. He's played
and that's it. And and you know he's been close.
And again, I don't like to judge a defensive end
only by sacks because I think that's you know, that's
not exactly how it works. But he can you know,

(47:12):
he's a guy that we always just see it seems
like this just outside pass rusher, but he's big enough
now to slide inside. Cayden Curry grew up being a
defensive tackle. He's he's smaller, but he's comfortable inside. Bo
Atkinson played inside a ton last year at North Carolina,
and they're they're a defensive alignment. Logan George played in

(47:33):
the three three five, so he went against guards all
the guards and centers all the time, so he's comfortable
with that. The only guy who's never done it is CJ. Hicks,
and you're not necessarily going to put him on the
inside of the rushman package. And I'm also interested to
see how often in that rushman is Edarck Houston staying
in the game, because he's a guy that could be

(47:53):
an advantage there, but also you're probably gonna want to
get get him some some rest because how deep do
the go at defensive tackle. I don't know, but I
do think the defensive ends, can steal some snaps for
the defensive tackles, can get some rest for Cade MacDonald,
Frederick Houston, and we'll see what happens behind those two guys.
I think that's that. That was the biggest question coming in,

(48:16):
it'll be the biggest question going out, and that probably
includes the quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
It was for sure, and I had been saying for
a while, if your biggest question is depth at one
particular you know position group, you're doing pretty dog one
good and your team is probably pretty stout. And you
kind of made it. You said it in a better way.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
It was something to the effect of I think that
what people I wrote it down? Do you remember what
you said? No, I say a lot of things that
I don't remember. Yeah, you wrote it down. Gosh. Was
some of the effect of we may not be talking
enough about the is not important as the starters. And
in the fact, it was that that Kmak and Edric

(49:06):
look like a really stout duo in there, and and
that's that's kind of the that's kind of the point.
Those two starters really really good. Obviously Kmec has proven
it to us, Edric not so much yet. But man,
everything you've seen so far out of him, looks like
he is ready to take on that load. He's a big,

(49:27):
just moose of a man, and uh got a great motor,
really strong for his size. I just I see those
two being really stout inside together and and I.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Agree, But there's still a question because they haven't they
haven't asked to do it for fifty snaps a game
like they're going to be now. I will say on Thursday,
the first day of camp, just watching Edric before he
went down, he moves like he can cover a ton
of ground and just a and You're like, that shouldn't

(50:02):
happen because he's you know, that day he was listening
to seventy. The next day, I think he was listening
at two ninety two, and it wasn't because he you know,
challenged Joey Chestnut to you know, hot dog eating contest.
He's he's a big, fast dude, and I'm interested, We're
all interested to see what he can do. There's a
ton of promise there. It's gonna be a tough first one,

(50:24):
but again, Texas is rebuilding their offensive line a little bit,
so this is an opportunity for them to really make
a name for themselves.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Immediately yeah, yeah, behind uh behind k back at one sect,
a lot of talk about Will Smith. I didn't see
anything out of him that made me feel super confident.
Have you seen it? Have you seen something that make
you feel better about that?

Speaker 2 (50:47):
You know?

Speaker 3 (50:49):
No, And again it's it's so early, and the two
days before that there are you know, no pads, nothing
much going on. But the thing that I always go
back to is when the name is brought up with
nobody asking about that name. When Ryan Day brings up
Will Smith's name without being asked about Will Smith. When
Sonny Styles I believe, brings up Bill Smith's name without

(51:12):
being asked about Will Smith. Like, those are the things
that catch my attention because can we we're reading tea
leaves through all of this and can only see so much.
And even when you're at three straight practices you saw it.
How much could you pay attention to you? When I like,
you can only pay attention to like one thing at
a time. And I think that's something people, maybe you know,

(51:32):
miss or don't necessarily understand, is like you can have
five people go to practice and all see different things
and come away with different thoughts because you're watching separate
things or you know you didn't. I didn't see the
three Julian says in completions, but you did. And you
know that's what we're basing our judgment on. So I
to hear people talk about guys does as much for

(51:54):
me as seeing a few plays or not seeing a
few plays.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Do you like the idea of downs at Nickel? Does
this maybe help you get your best, possible, most skilled
lineup on the field.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Well, and it's it's he did it at times last
year as well. I think I know right away when
he was lined up there on that first day, it
was his eye opening. But you go back and you
look the way that defense was. Everybody had to play Nickel.
Everybody had to play free safety in terms of Jordan Hancock,
Lathan Ransom, Caleb Downs. They would all have to shift

(52:28):
depending on you know, motion or whatever. So everybody had
to be able to play all three spots. And I
think putting him there at Nicol again, it's just it's
I don't think that's the spot. We saw Jermaine Matthews
there on Saturday. We saw Bryce West out out wide
at corner when he had been at Nicol behind Lorenzo Styles.

(52:49):
I think again, this is information gathering and as much
I'd say it's more, it's not for Caleb Downs. It's
for the other two guys that are getting time at safety,
whether it's Jalen McClain and Malie Cartford playing together, because
they haven't gotten to do that a lot because one
of them's always with Caleb Downs basically, and so if

(53:11):
you can get those two guys together so that they
can get accustomed to doing that, and then fahem Delayne
is the number two strong safety, we're seeing a little
bit of Leroy Roker as the number three free safety.
I think I'm interested to see how the safety situation
plays out because I was talking to Matt Patricia about it,

(53:33):
and you don't want to be like, we're gonna put
Caleb Downs at strong safety, Milie Cartford at free safety
for certain plays and in certain other plays, we're gonna
put Caleb Downs at free safety and Jalen McLain has
strong safety because then you get predictable, so you have
to make sure that that doesn't happen. So I'm fascinated
to see how much Hartford and McClain play in terms of,

(53:56):
you know, is it a fifty to fifty situation. Is
it forty sixty whatever it is. Both of those guys
are going to play, but so is Lorenzo Styles and
so like, what does this all look like? Again? Just
goes back to the linebacker talk we've had, the defensive
end talk. We had find stuff that those guys could
do well, get them to do it, but be careful
that you're not predictable when you're doing it, because eventually

(54:18):
you're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Caught for sure. I'll tell you what. I'm feeling pretty
good about IGB that one of my bold predictions was
IGB wins over the Ohio State fan base again after
everybody turning on him last year and wishing that he
would go off to the NFL. I was really happy
to get him back. And boy, he looks like a

(54:39):
leader out there. He's obviously always very vocal. But if
it were for those penalties, everybody loved this guy. If
he could just clean those up, I think he's going
to continue to get better. Who do you think is
the third corner? Ton No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
The third corner is either Devin Sanchez or Aaron Scott.
But again, I was really really impressed with Bryce West
the first time he got to play corner of this
this fall on Saturday. He was everywhere, he was making plays,
he was punching the ball out. But I think you
know it'll be Aaron Scott or Devin Sanchez. And the
thing is, if it goes back to one of those

(55:18):
things where with the elite prospects, if they're even, they're
leaving type of thing like if you're in a race
with Ted Ginn, if he's even, he's leaving, how even
is it right now with Devin Sanchez and Aaron Scott?
And if it is even after you know, Devin Sanchez
being fifteen practices and now you know five or whatever
it is, if they're even now, where are they in

(55:40):
another fifteen practices? And as Devin Sanchez taken lead at
that point. But I also think I think both of
those guys can play some snaps this year. And I've
said this before. You Carry Combs brought in the three
man rotation that was that was his thing, and he
always wanted a four man or Toesch rotation. He wanted

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Damon Arnette so badly, I think, to do it in
twenty sixteen, and he just wasn't ready. He just couldn't
do it, So they were stuck with the three first
rounders that they had in twenty sixteen. But I wonder
how close they could get to that if they wanted
to do it. But we know they these people last
year rotated down the offensive line. Okay, so if you're

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gonna be able to rotate on the offensive line, what's
you know? You that's already the crazy thing, right? So
will they do some of that? But that depends on
how close Aaron Scott and Devin Sanchez are. We think
they're really good, but are they like in terms of
like Kerry Combs used to say, and I know he
didn't no longer coaches at Ohio State, but why would

(56:43):
I bring in somebody that's worse to rotate? So it's
like you've got you've got a Devin Sanchez and Eric
Scott have to get up here cause you don't want
you don't want to take the rotation down here. They've
got to get up there if they want to be
in a rotation. But I think both of those guys
are gonna be really good. I know they get frustrated
at times having to deal with the receivers that they're

(57:06):
dealing with and not being able to touch them and
hit them and grab them and things like that. But
as you said, David igb with the leadership watching him
on I think Friday when practice got Thursday when practice
got moved inside, standing behind him, coaching up Jordan Woods,
coaching up Fahim de Layne, like he's locked in. He's

(57:27):
a leader. And again that's a three year starter at
Ohio State. At cornerback. There's not a lot of those guys.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
It's important, man, It's really really important. And as a whole,
I think this team looks ready to go, buddy, But
let's move on tone quickly before I let you roll
to yesterday's press conference with Ross Bjorick was a very
important one. Tradition evolved. We are evolving traditions at Ohio Stadium,
and you were the hero of the press conference, which

(57:55):
we'll get you. But you did write an article about
one of the things that's going to happen here with Brutus.
Brutus is having a different entrance for every game. My
favorite was game number one. Your prediction he comes in
writing Bevo, which I love. Are we certain is Bevo coming?
I know he's not been invited to a lot of
different places. Is he allowed to come? Does he travel?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
No?

Speaker 3 (58:17):
I don't believe he is. But with the you know,
Ohios taken fly just it doesn't have to be bevo.
It can just be ending you all a long word.
I believe the point would be the same basically. But yeah,
that was one of those things that every once in
a while I have to write something for myself and then,
you know, the people can have all the other stuff.
Sometimes I need to do stuff for me, and that
was one of them today.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
It worked. It hit with me too, buddy, It hit
with me too. Ross Biorg catching a ton of flack
over other stuff when it comes to this. I love
the initiative. Okay, I don't love every single thing, but
I love the initiative to make something, make a better
game day atmosphere. We've been sitting here whining about this

(58:58):
for twenty years. What can we do to make it better?
And here comes a guy. He goes around. Sure he
stole an idea from here and an idea from here,
and he put a little Ohio state twist on it.
But it's initiative to make something better. And I'm not
ever gonna knock somebody for doing that. A couple of
things I love. I love incorporating the victory bell. It's underutilized.

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I love the stadium architecture. I love that bell. I
think there's probably a lot of people don't even know
about that bell and bringing that into you know, like
I think the Minnesota Vikings games when they start off
with somebody important blows the horn, like I think of
it like that. It's the it's the start of the
damn game. Here we go third down. Instead of Hell's bells,
we can hear the real bell.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
It's cool.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
I dig that moving the band, the way they repackage
that messaging and to know we're doing this to make
this louder, not because we're building these stands down here.
That was brilliant. I love that too. Also like that
they're putting speakers on a field. That's really that's really smart.
I've heard that opposing players really have a hard time
with that at Texas, where they've got speakers, temporary speakers

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on the field blasting in the band. The song tone,
the song Ohio, I think we could have sought a
little more feedback on the particular song. But I do
like having a new anthem that has more energy to
it outside of the band. I think the idea behind
it's good. I don't know what else. The towels obviously,

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towels really really get places hypes that embrace the towels.
I'm a Browns fan. Don't love the idea there. Whether
it's got to be a towel, but a pom pom's
no better. So what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I was talking to my buddy who who was a
security guy on the field at Hines Field, and he
said that when they really get it going, you can
feel the field shaking under your feet. If it can
be anything like that, that's cool. I did get some
feedback from that particular song. This isn't a campfire stay eight.

(01:01:00):
The gentleman said, it's like a meme of Ohioans. Let's
enjoy some music together and share a papst like we're
a sticky mullet wearing smokers with cutoff flannels and jorts.
So not everybody happy with the song. How do you
feel about all this, Dylan? What do you think I'm
with you?

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Like where everybody complains about the lack of environment, So okay, well,
what are all of the places that have great environments.
What do they do? And I'll tell you The Amp
song is a great example of this because you go
to Oregon and they have something similar. That's where Ohio
State got it, and it's it's awesome and they sing
this song coming Home, Coming Home parteses Orgon by Matt Kearney,

(01:01:44):
and it's great and it's a very similar song. It's
a little bit longer and there's more sing along parts,
and I think in terms of finding a song, they
could have found one that had more sing along parts.
And then this song starts pretty quickly and it's got
a lot of fast words and that doesn't make for
a great stadium sing along, right, But it's it's the idea.
And again, these are all ideas. And I like the

(01:02:06):
the Buckeye leaves again and for the fans and for
the for the the stadium. I like, basically all of
South Stands is gonna be students and that's I love that.
I don't know why block O was ever split up.
When I was a student there thirty years ago, it
was all North End, and so now it'll all be

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South End and you'll have all of the students there
and they can be as loud as they want. They'll
show up late, I'm sure, and it'll look it'll take
it'll take a while for south stands to fill in.
But having the band on the north side with the amplification,
I think is going to be great. I know there
are some people upset about hang On Sloopy moving from

(01:02:47):
the third quarter the end of the third quarter. Yeah,
I mean that's you can. They can still play it
at the end of the third quarter if they want,
you know, they can play it whenever they want. The
victory bell thing is it was I was going to
a post game it was either I think it was
last season and whoever, Like there was nobody to nobody

(01:03:09):
showed up to ring the victory bell. So like the
person that ran the thing had to go and do it.
So when people talk about, well the victory bell, it's important,
it's important. The bell ringers, you know, weren't even showing up.
So like this is this is a situation where we're
making you know, Ross's buyork is like we're making it
more important. And so is that a problem? Why is
that a problem? And I know there's the whole thing

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of if you ring the victory bell before I win
you're going to Jink's Ohio State. It's like, I don't
of all the football gods out there, I don't know
that they're worried about that one. But I get it
because if they do it and they lose in Texas
beets some I don't know that we're going to see
it in week two. And if we do see it
in week two and they lose to Grambling, We're not
going to see it in week three. So I'll just
guarantee that right now. But in the towels, I guarantee

(01:03:55):
everybody's gonna want to Towell that first game because it's
gonna be ninety six degrees out. So it's like this
love this towel, and that will change with the themes.
Like I was talking with the director of marketing about
all of this, and I was asking what's the price points, Like, well,
we don't know yet in terms of how much it's
going to cost, but they obviously want to make it accessible.

(01:04:17):
I think the terrible towels like fifteen bucks. I would
assume it would be lower than that. But assuming something
would be lower than that in terms of Ohio State pricing,
I'm not gonna I don't want to throw that out there.
But like with with the blackout for Penn State, kind
of assume there's going to be a black towel military appreciation.
Assume there would be a camouflage towel for a Michigan
game type of thing, that there's going to be something

(01:04:40):
especially with that as well, So there'll be different towels
to purchase. Of course, I do think. I think Texas
does towels and they give them out to everybody, basically,
like you know, there's there's other schools that will not
necessarily charge you for for things like that. But you know,
I remember when I I was when I was a student,

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we had the pomp poms and those would end up
everywhere and you wouldn't take them home necessarily because there'd
be more next week. And yeah, So I don't have
a problem with trying to do some things different things,
incorporate things that have worked elsewhere and saying, hey, let's
see if they can work here. And if only six
of the eight things work, you still now you've got

(01:05:22):
six things that work and keep people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Yeah, you plus six, that's a good thing. What drives
me nuts about these guys, man, I gotta tell you,
we're doing a scarlet out, we're doing the stripe out,
we're doing a blackout. We've got no confirmation if we're
doing the matching uniforms, which everybody loves when you do this.
I'm a traditionalist, a uniform traditionalist. But these new ones,

(01:05:48):
they're the same template. It's just changing the color. It's
not all uniform. It is the uniform. So even a
guy like me digs that, and everybody loves it, everybody
wants it, and it's always this huge struggle about it.
I don't understand it. Don't get me started on the
gray sleeves. I mean, I just don't understand why it's
got to be so difficult with something that is so simple.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Your your thoughts, Tony, I have sleeve blindness, Like I'm
not able to point stuff like that out. But I
have always liked the the alternate, alternate uniforms that we're
going to just we've never seen them before. They were
a homage to the nineteen forty two team. I liked
all of those different helmets. I they all grew on me,

(01:06:35):
they all did well with age, So I like some
of the changes. But yeah, like I hate I hate
the gray jerseys. I don't like the black jerseys. And
I'll tell you why. You can't read the numbers from
the press box, and so it's like you're just you're
watching players. I don't know who that is. I'm sure
it's either it's either a four or it's a two,
or it's an eight or it's a nine. And so

(01:06:58):
that's that's one where I start yelling at at the
clouds with these darn alternate jerseys, like make make them
easier for me to read. But I like, I like
all the the stuff that you know, all the trell prior,
you know, those were just really different stuff as opposed
to now everything we see, we've seen it before and
it's not it's not as special. The players still love it,

(01:07:20):
so I guess that's all that matters. But when there's
no one off thing, I think it loses some luster.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
I saw you mentioned in an article the other day,
and I am missing one here. I need you to
complete this for me. There are seven sons of Buckeyes
on the team. I got Radzinski, two styles, Stanley Jackson,
Will Smith, junior, Deontay Griffin. Who am I missing?

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Well, let's see, did you say Will Smith? I did
all right, now now let me just read through this.
Go ahead and vamp while I do this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Yeah, Ryan Radzinski, that one had me stumped for a minute.
And uh and I was forgetting to add two styles obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
That one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
That one stumped me for a minute. I knew Deontay Griffin, quick,
go ahead, Jason Gwynn. Jason gwyn leave his son of Anthony.
There we go. Okay, forgot that. There we go. So
let's get to the finality of.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
A Mason Bags. So why did we didn't even go
with the Griffin because I wasn't sure if Oh yeah,
his dad his dad played Kevin Griffin. Is that his dad?

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Maybe I don't, I forget, but I double checked it.
His dad did play.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Eight I guess right, Andre Andre Griffin.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Okay, okay, yeah, so that's that's Archie's kid.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Right, Yeah, and he's his great Deontae's his grandson.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Okay, So there you go. Yeah right, I think Andre
was Jim Tressel like offered him a scholarship way back
in the day. But yeah, so that's eight kids, then
eight kids. That's something special.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I think that's really unique and really cool, to be honest,
and the fact that you got a couple of big
time contributors in there is also really cool. But the
end of the tradition evolved. Press conference. There was you know,
one one brave soldier who said, can I ask a
question about nil? And you know, I don't know what
you're supposed to do if you're the gentleman in the

(01:09:29):
chair there, other than say, of course you can, I'm
sitting here at a press conference. And that fellow was you,
and you basically asked. And this was, you know, kind
of a part two because you and Tom had had
a conversation with ross Byorke at Big ten media days,
and immediately after the thing ended, some big news came out,
and that news was that the CSC had folded and

(01:09:53):
folded their argument about collectives being categorized as a business
like any other business. That is obviously a really big
piece of news because now what a collective can do,
and essentially what this means a school can do is
something that a school playing by the rules could not
do before, which is guarantee an nil deal. You couldn't
guarantee an nil deal because if you're, if you're doing

(01:10:16):
this true nil deal the way it was intended, you
can't guarantee this recruit that there are going to be
enough businesses to fill this deal that want to want
to work with him. However, now you kind of can
within reason, because you can operate those collectives and essentially
manufacture jobs. Is basically what you're doing. You're you're coming

(01:10:39):
up with coaching clinics, You're coming up with cheese tastings
and autograph sessions and whenever the heck you want. If
you get one player approved, all of a sudden, they
cannot deny you for the other ninety players, they're all
going through. And basically your question was to Ross, now
that you have seen this new news, since this has

(01:10:59):
come out, we've not open to you since is there
going to be a pivot in philosophy here as to
how you're running things or is are things staying the same.
And his answer was, well, you know, we were in
the place to pivot, and basically, because we've got everything
you know ready, we didn't really need to, which means

(01:11:20):
he's saying absolutely not, We're not changing anything. And I'm
not sure if he doesn't understand what other schools are
doing or if he thinks we don't. But at some
point this has got to change.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Is that a question or statement? Well, here's the thing,
like all the cs he said said was that like
all of this stuff still has to pass Mustard through.
And I'll go now, it's maybe a little bit of
more lenient on what they consider a business purpose. But

(01:11:57):
I think one of the things is there still has
profit made from any of these ventures. No, no, it
has to be, but it still has to be approved.
And the thing, oh, is that's wrong? All right, there's
no profit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Yeah, it has to go through the clearinghouse. This is
the whole point. And this is the entire thing about this.
So for instance, if I get one guy, one guy
on the team approved this deal, if you're looking at
it as the clearinghouse, yeah, it's a legit deal. They're
playing this kid four thousand dollars and he's doing he's coaching,
they're putting on a clinic. They cannot deny the rest

(01:12:32):
of the ninety players they're all getting approved for that
same deal, which means it's absolutely not profitable. It's just
the opposite. I'm a collective and I've now funneled this
money successfully to all of these players. And that's the
whole crux of the argument, and that's why this was
so consequential.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
The way. Yeah, and again I've got questions still about this,
and the the collectives will be operating and the Buckeye
Sports Crew will be operating. You still can't pay high
school kids, and that's that's one thing. And like you're saying,
you can guarantee what they can get, But I think

(01:13:12):
the good thing is you haven't. I would assume by
this point some things would have been denied, right if
they were going to be denied, and then you'd have
more pushback from the House attorneys. And since we haven't
seen that yet, I think that's good news that, like
they said, they are more lenient. But I don't know

(01:13:33):
how aggressive Ohio State is with really what who There
are still guys that you're gonna have to try to
get guys back, and that's gonna be a tough ask to,
you know, to you know, now you're like, can you
keep Braylan, can you get Braylen, Willmac? You know, those
sorts of things. Can you get the guys that you

(01:13:56):
still have? And then I don't know that they're going
to be able to go and get the guys that
they lost. And so really like, if that's not on
the table necessarily, then what major change would you expect
from Ohio State right now and recruiting? You know, like
if those guys are gone, what should Ohio State be doing?

(01:14:19):
And maybe I'm assuming they're gone and I shouldn't assume that,
So like what if if they're able to do whatever,
what should they do if those guys are already gone?

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I think the first thing is people now that obviously
you've lost a lot of guys on the trail when
you were nowhere anywhere near the ballpark because what you
were doing as Ohio State was offering a portion of
revenue share in a sales pitch that when you come
to Ohio State, we got a whole lot for you
to be able to go earn because here's what we

(01:14:51):
got laid out for you. And that sounds great. And
I actually think in the system, Ohio State has almost
the best situation than anybody else if this is actually
operating as it should. The I mean, you got the
whole state of Ohio. It's just it's it's money ready
to be ready to be printed. But if these other

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schools are offering you revenue share and in addition to
that guaranteed nil deals. You know, it's curtains for you.
But I highly doubt, and I highly dot it from
the beginning that they were going to double back on
some of these guys they lost, because what we saw
was these deals just get way like they even went
way up from last year. The money that these guys

(01:15:32):
were getting. A couple of these dudes and guys that
don't even deserve anywhere near that kind of money, And
I hate to even use the word deserve, but it's
just true. It just just got ridiculous for some guys
that really didn't even have a super high floor, you
know what I mean. And it's like, Okay, I can't
justify that whether it's coming off my off my salary
cap or not. But when you look at Braylen Womack,

(01:15:55):
I think this one's going to tell the tale. Guys
made it clear man through his parents multiple times. Ohio
State's to pick. The money's just got to be close.
And if they don't make that happen, this class finishes
outside the top ten, people are going to be panicky.
It's gonna be bad.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
I'm just I just wanted to hear something that was
a little more comforting from Ross York that day, and
it just wasn't very comforting to hear him say, well,
if we had to pivot, we would have, but we
didn't have to.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
It was very much we knew this was happening. It's
business as usual. It's like, well have you seen how
business is going? That's what I'm saying. But what they
did is they were following the rules of the CSC.
Then the cs changed their rules, and so now Ohio
State he doesn't want to say pivot. Now Ohio State
can pivot because again, you were doing one thing, and

(01:16:49):
now that the rules are this a little more a
little a lot more lenient or whatever, now you can
start to You've got all these businesses that you're talking about,
you can start to, you know, stroke some some future
memorandums of understanding type of things, and and get players ready,
get have them understand what kind of deals they've got

(01:17:10):
coming for them. So I yeah, I don't think anybody
ever want any leader like Ross York doesn't every want
to say yeah, we had to pivot, because then that
that kind of admits fault. It's like, now this we
knew the river was going to go this way, and
now we're ready to you know, take the turn with
it on the Lazy River. And but I agree the

(01:17:31):
Broylyn Womack thing is going to be the litmus test
in this and and then it then it becomes if
the money keeps getting higher and higher, it still goes
back to the question. And it's one of the statements
that Ryan Day said. If you bring somebody in and
they're making more money than your starters and that guy
is not playing, it's not good for the locker room.
And true, until Miami wins the national championship, until USC

(01:17:55):
buys national championship, until Texas Tech does it, Texas A
and M it doesn't work. Now being competitive in nil
does and that's where O High State needs to be.
But trying to just buy it it doesn't. It has
not worked. It's not it's terrible for the locker room.

(01:18:16):
It's it's not buying, it's renting, as Texas A and
M showed, as Tennessee showed with Nico im Aliava as
the quarterback that when they went to Florida and Arizona
State and now he's you know, out of football basically entirely.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
So oh, I know, I got to be careful starting
his career at UTEP or something, so you got to
be careful.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Just it's for us.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Think they've done a great job balancing the line.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
There now are right could and I understand people want
them to be more aggressive. They've never they've they're the
most consistent football program for the last one hundred years
that there is and they got there doing it the
way they do it. And so to convince them that
they need to do it some other way when they're

(01:19:00):
just coming off of a national championship like that's going
to be a hard hard sell, especially when you've got
attorneys saying we're not doing that, and you've got an
ad saying I'm going to listen to the attorneys and
right now, these are the rules, and one talking to Ross,
he's like, the problem is we all agree to the rules,
so why are we following them?

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
And that's what Tony's also saying, we're waiting on the rules.
He just said that yesterday too, So which is it.
Do we all know the rules and nobody's spellowing him,
or we're waiting on the rules.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
That's that's problem, because even you and I are are
we we aren't agreeing on the rules. And we're not
seeing the rules because he's like they've not been published.
So like I, I can't talk about this in certainty
because every time I talk to Ross York and have questions,
I come out of them I've got more questions. And
when I try to talk to other compliance people, it's

(01:19:52):
like I leave with questions. So when you get answers
from people that end in a question mark, like that's
everybody's concerned, Ryan days, Like I hate operating in the gray.
Everybody hates the gray. The gray is starting to lift,
but it's still out there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
If my heart wasn't so involved with one particular team
in college football and I was just covering this sport
like this would be the most hilarious thing I've ever seen.
Watching this unfold, I mean it is hilarious. Unfortunately, you know,
I'm I've got I've got heart invested in it, and uh,
I appreciate you so much, dude. This was This was awesome.

(01:20:33):
It's everything I always wanted, Tony. One of the things
I always wanted to do was a show. I really did.
No not that no, I learned my lesson before I
even tried. I'm not gonna do that. I just always
wanted to do a show with you. I thought it
would be great. It was even better than I expected.
All you got to do is ask, Thanks, buddy, I
appreciate y'all. Talk to you soon.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
YEPI a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
And that was our man, Tony Gernaman. You heard him there.
He said, all I got to do is ask. I'll
let you know if he backs out on that. That
was such a great conversation. And uh, we see a
lot of things the same way, which started off obviously
with our Heisman picks. I'm sorry our mount Rushmore picks.
I was very happy to uh to hear that he

(01:21:17):
was in agreeance on one, two and three. Did chicken
out a little bit on four. But when I had
agreed with me on four, Uh, we get to a
couple super chats here Jordan Kapler, listen, I read this, Jordan, Jordan,
thank you for the five Jordan said, I'll do another
five dollars super chat if you power pause. Tony and
I thought about it, but that was what he was

(01:21:37):
just saying to me at the end when he said,
don't do it. So I didn't do it. I didn't
do it. Him and him and Tom had an intro
and in their intro, uh, they they said that Tom
said Juck said on the board that he was going
to uh couldn't wait to power pause Tom and they
got uh and they got really angry about me trying

(01:21:57):
to invade on their power pause thing. It's just that
with m deal. So I'm not gonna do it a
new guy, know your place kind of thing, you know
what I mean. Jordan also says need to start a
petition to have Jermaine Matthews on every video of the
Dude's hilarious. He's the best man. The guy is electric.
I love it, Josh ross Byorke turning us into a

(01:22:21):
laughing stock. First recruiting, now this song. So Josh's point
and why I brought that up at the end to
talk to Tony about is Josh our sentiment here is
what a lot of the stuff I see, and you know,
I spend my day on Twitter in Ohio state boards

(01:22:44):
and stuff, and it's just like there is a huge
amount of people that are just furious about the nil situation,
the recruiting situation, and then the answer that ros Byorke
gave yesterday. Now there's also a lot of stuff that
people don't understand, and I understand that. You know, I
follow this stuff way closer than a lot of people,

(01:23:06):
So I try to I try to explain it as
best as I can. And the truth is, we do
know the rules. I don't know why he's saying we
don't know the rules. He said it yesterday, and it's
true that they haven't been published. He absolutely knows the rules.
He was involved in the writing of the rules, in
selecting the CDC. He knows the rules. I know the rules.

(01:23:30):
The way some teams are pretending they don't know the
rules is great. They're getting a big leg up here.
And he absolutely knows. Now that you are, you can
legally fabricate a lot of these deals. You can fabricate deals.
If I want to pay this defensive back fifty thousand

(01:23:51):
dollars his freshman year out of nil, I can now
make that happen because I can just say to my collective,
we owe him fifty grand, and the collective is going
to fabricate fifty thousand dollars worth of things. Now. The
thing is, like I was saying to Tony, if I
give that guy a seven thousand dollars deal to come

(01:24:12):
and do a meet and greet with fans, and he's
got to do five social media posts to advertise for
this meet and greet and autograph signing, and his deal
goes through the clearinghouse.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Well, now what I can do is I can give
that deal to every single one of my players. And
that is a huge losing venture, something a business could
not do because they're absolutely no profit. Now you're losing money,
and that's the goal. When you're a collective, your goal
is to lose money to the players. And that's why

(01:24:50):
it never should have been granted as a business classification.
But the CDC couldn't fight it because they knew they'd
lose in court, so they gave up on it and
they caved on it. And right there, that's when this
thing became a farce. That's when it became a farce. Now,
Ohio State not going to operate like that. RUSS made
that clear, not going to operate like that. But the

(01:25:12):
worst thing about it is this is how other schools
were already operating. And now that you can do it,
other schools that weren't even operating like that that we're
operating like Ohio State are now starting to do it.
In Ohio State's not so. Not only were they behind
the schools that were already cheating beforehand, now they're going
to be behind the schools that are pivoting to that,

(01:25:35):
and that I think is a growing frustration for a
lot of folks. But the remainder of the class is
a hold onto your seat, class Land Braylen Womack, or
you finish outside the top ten. And I'm not even
I like the class, I really do. I like a
lot of the guys in the class, but coming off
a national championship, falling outside the top ten ridiculous. Should

(01:25:58):
never happen, he says. Three Texan lj's defense usually have
good production. Who's in that role. That's our boy, Eddric
Houston brother and he is going to have really good production.
Jm OSU are they doing the brick thing at practice?
Yes they are. They are doing scarlet bricks, stacking the
bricks one one day or one per practice. Richie Dubbs,

(01:26:26):
my guy, Why was Ryan Day the only coach in
the history of the sport to have nattier bust expectations?
Where's the nattier bus for sark It's an interesting point. Obviously,
the Buckeyes put a lot of those on themselves. But
we know damn well that even before they were saying
that themselves, most of the national media who cover the

(01:26:47):
sport was saying, if he doesn't get it done this
year with this roster, you know, discard him. I think
the loss is in the game attributed to a lot
of that, to be honest, But yeah, you're right, Shre says,
how about hang on Sloopy? So how many of you

(01:27:08):
guys are irritated about this potentially moving from the after
the third quarter? You know, I'm a traditionalist. I love tradition,
I hate tradition changing, but I'm okay with this moving.
I love hang On Sloopy and I love it in
the stadium. It's maybe as a kid, like one of

(01:27:30):
the standout memories is doing that, you know, at the
stadium with everybody. But the fact that it might be
at a different time, to me, that doesn't really bother me.
It doesn't, but I understand if it bothers somebody, I
get it. Ultimately. I just think what you're doing is

(01:27:53):
you're trying to get this Ohio song to be that
sing along song like Tone was talking about. And I
think he's right However, the song it doesn't seem like
a very sing a long, friendly song. And I'll also
say that when the guy says ohio in the refrain
of the song, I can barely even understand the guy
saying ohio, because what are you saying?

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Annunciate your words. He could never do what I do.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Oh Man.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
This is the best, guys. I really have a whole
lot of fun doing the show here at Buckeye Huddle
Primetime every Monday and Wednesday. We're at an hour and
a half show tonight, which is just ridiculous. I usually
lose my voice if I'm doing this for an hour
and a half by myself. Thankfully, Tony, you know, he's
a pro man A lot of people. When you have

(01:28:45):
him on your show, you might ask him a question
to answer you in one sentence, Tony knows, okay, we're
doing a show man. I gotta give some back and
forth and he'll just roll. So that was great, a
whole lot of fun. Richie Dubb seems to like it.
Chuck and Tony g might be the new Jordan and Pippen.
We'll see what myself and Mark Gibler like is. We're

(01:29:06):
going to record tomorrow a new edition of Skull Session,
the Recruiting Podcast, and I promise I'll try not to
get all worked up again. But we're talking philosophy tomorrow,
and we're gonna get a little further into that discussion
for those of you who don't just like to hear
the baseline, but you'd like to hear, you know, a

(01:29:26):
little more of the nuts and bolts of the situation.
Little boy gaming, what's up? How you doing? Richie Dubbs
once a call in show? Richie, think about this, Do
you really want a call in show? I've had a
couple of people say this, But there's a couple of
shows I listen to that do a call in show,

(01:29:47):
and it ends up being like I recognize that. Oh
I remember why I watched this show. It's because I
like to hear the host. I don't want to hear
this other guy talk. And the other guy is usually
a caller who it might be a very it might
be making a salient point, but I don't know he's
boring or he drones on about something. Is it something

(01:30:12):
you really want? I mean, we can do it, we
can do it. I just don't know. I tend to
not click on it even when it's a show. I
like if it's a call. In addition, I tend to
not click on it. Wood is when do we start
seeing donor fatigue? Look at the past Missus for OSU, yours,
Hicks Fleming. How much money would have been wasted so far?

(01:30:38):
Fair point? I think that this past cycle, for instance,
I know. And as a matter of fact, I just
got an email yesterday a Buckeye fean that watches this
show saying, Hey, should I still be donating to the collective?
Should I still be donating to the foundation? Or is
this just wasted money? And my response to him was

(01:30:59):
I cut off my donations as soon as these rules
came out with the House settlement. However, now that the
CSC made that ruling, things are different. Now they're going
to need our money again. So my advice to him was,
if you want to continue to help, it'll be to
a good cause if you continue to donate to the foundation,

(01:31:26):
But donor fatigue, Richie, as we currently sit, there are
no rules. Let's operate like it. Yeah, I mean the
Brandon Willmack recruitment is everything will Mack. Did somebody say that, Richie,
he's not a good culture fit. He's absolutely a great

(01:31:49):
culture fit. Not only a great culture fit, but a
kid who is legitimately a Buckeye fan since he was
in junior high. And I quized him myself in a way.
I didn't straight up say, Okay, you're gonna answer some questions.
I dug a little deeper because a lot of guys
say that, and they're just saying it because they may

(01:32:10):
have watched in Ohio state game and thought, yeah, that's
really cool. This kid legitimately was a Buckeye fan in
Mississippi and has made it clear through his family that
the Buckeyes have been number one all along as entire recruitment,
and yeah, that's going to require a financial investment because

(01:32:32):
he's getting massive offers elsewhere, and it would be irresponsible,
and nobody would ever tell your own kid. You wouldn't
tell your kid, Okay, you're gonna go there instead of
go here when they're offering you a third of the money.
You wouldn't. You just wouldn't. So when people trying to
make that sound like that's not a good culture fit,

(01:32:54):
because they're being advised by their parent on how to
make sound financial decisions in their life, It's just disingenuous
as hell, it really is. I'm getting kind of sick
of it, to be honest, you would not tell your
own kid, Oh go take that two hundred thousand dollars
and not this a million and a half dollars to

(01:33:14):
go to this school who also has a list this
long of NFL players they've put in the NFL and
you clearly like very much because they made your final four.
It's just disingenuous, man, it really is. It trives me nuts. Thanks,

(01:33:36):
don Bee, appreciate you always for being here. Buddy, will
Meck is definitely the dude. Emily Rod says, you're right,

(01:33:59):
But I think we're in the w percent of programs
that can also get away with also get away with
not getting into bidding wars for unproven recruits. Just one
hund percent. Correct. Let me be clear, We're not in
a bidding war for Braylen Womack. We're not coming close
to the top bid. All we need to do is
make this respectable and he's the Buckeyes. However, respectable compared

(01:34:22):
to what he's getting is going to be a healthy investment,
and normally the kind of the barometer is is it
going to be a guy who's going to be able
to contribute year one, and it is. You know, when
we look at the room, I don't know. I don't

(01:34:44):
know if he is going to be able to contribute
your one. It's a very talented room. We look at
next year, you got Malie Hartford and Jaylen McLain off
a full another year of experience. You got Fahim Delane
and another freshman in Blaine Bradford who's really really good too,
but well max versatility. I would think they're they're banking

(01:35:05):
on Yeah, he's playing next year. I mean, the dude
is a unique talent. He really is. And yes, we
are one. You know, when we look at the guys,
there are some guys that we get in. I brought
up Quincy Porter earlier. Quincy Porter could have gotten massive deals.
But it's a little different. When we talk about Ohio
state wide receivers, that's you're joining a fraternity, you're joining

(01:35:27):
something special. We see guys take less money in that
role all the time. You know, Ohio State Safety not
a recent big track record of pumping guys into the NFL.
You know, yeah, this also counts for position too. Again,

(01:35:51):
the proven development of players in the NFL and huge
contracts being signed still helps O stue a tona exactly.
It does, but there are some some positions where it's not.
And this is true too. We didn't drop the bag
for Damian Wilson out of the portal. So all right,

(01:36:13):
my friends Dreamer, thank you so much. This one is
a GV Art and Design shirt. They make fantastic shirts.
I just love them. But yeah, this print on this thing,
it's really cool. It's really pretty. You go all the
way down, you get the buckeye leaf at the bottom.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Great shirt. I wanted in a hoodie. They've been sold
out of the hoodie for like six months. You can't
get it. So anyway, appreciate you guys so much. I
will be back Buckey Huddle primetime next Monday and Wednesday
at eight pm. All season long, we'll be here. You
and I and Mark Gibler and myself will be pumping
out an episode of Skull Session here in the next

(01:36:53):
few days. Expect that at minimum by Friday morning, I
would say we're gonna shoot I believe tomorrow night at nine,
So look out for that Friday morning, and I'll definitely
have another episode of chuck on Bucks before the week's over,
for sure, over at the juck on Bucks channel. If
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(01:37:14):
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(01:37:35):
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(01:37:59):
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