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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Skull Session recruiting podcast, brought
to by Buckeyehuddle dot Com. I am Mark Givler, joined
by Tony Gerdaman. Yes, it's another commitment episode here on
the Scholtons recruiting podcast. Glenville Pipeline continuing the role, Ohio
State has flipped three star defensive tackle Jamior JJ Perez
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from the Florida Gators in a recruitment that I can
only describe as very Jerome Baker. Like Tony, I think
we saw the writing on the wall here when he
showed up at camp ahead of his official visit. But
your initial thoughts on the Buckeyes landing the three hundred
and sixty pound nose tackle.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I think anytime you have the SEC coming in and
offering an Ohio defensive tackle, and like legit SEC coming
in the Alabama and Florida and groups like that, and
you let him get away, that's a loss. And so
to keep him in State and whatever he becomes, that's
that's almost the secondary parts. Like you beat the SEC here,
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you kept a kid home, but now you got Now
you've got to develop him and turn him into something.
But there's probably no there's a lot of terrible feelings
out there, but like to to see for if you're
Ohio State, to see and in state defensive tackle go
to the SEC and do something is just like, yeah,
all of those times you go down to the South
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and you're just battling those guys for defensive tackles and
they're just all over the place and you you know,
you're fighting an uphill battle. And then to have somebody
in your own state, in your own backyard, ish, I mean,
this is, let's face it, Yeah it's two hours away,
but Glennville is Ohio State's backyard. It's also their front yard,
it's their side yard, it's there, you know whatever, And
so you don't want to lose that guy. And when
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he committed to Florida, I think everybody was like, well,
it's early, and boy, early didn't last long for pres No.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
And like I said, that was very uh you know,
I remember covering the Jerome Baker recruitment and I'm getting
old now, so there maybe people who are like, don't
get that reference. We're wondering what the heck I'm talking about.
But Jerome Baker, at one point, former higher stat linebacker
NFL player, committed to Florida and in the single most
awkward press conference I've ever been to. It was I
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can only describe it as a funeral, like it had
the vibe of a funeral. No one was happy, no
one was smiling. Jerome wasn't smiling. It was the most
bizarre thing I've ever seen in my life. And I
walked away from that press conference, in which we actually
did expect we had at that point figured he was
going to pick Florida at that thing, but we walked away. Everyone,
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every one of us who covered that was there that
day said walked away from that saying, there's not a
chance on earth that kid is going to Florida.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
We know he's we.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Don't don't know where he's going yet, but we know
he's not where he's not going. And it's the school
he just committed to. Because that should have been a party,
a celebration, and it was. It was so weird, you know,
kind of like and then he kind of like walked off.
There were no like you know, usually he can get
like an exclusive with the kid afterwards he does his
announcement and then you talk to him after. We know
they kind of like ushered him right off into the school.
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Thanks for coming everybody. You know. It was like a
two minute thing, see you later. I drove four hours
round trip for a two minute pressent.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
It was.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It was insane. So when Jamiir committed, or yeah, when
Jamiir committed to UH to Florida, it wasn't you know,
we didn't do the whole press conference thing like that,
but I just felt like, boy, this just doesn't doesn't
add up with what I've been hearing roughly until a
couple of days before he went to Florida, and I'm
like this, you know, Glenville kid, We'll see So, uh
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it has now comforull Circle. He's back in the folded
Ohio State uh and so yeah, let's let's throw on
a little bit of tape here, Tony. We also saw
him at camp, so we've seen quite a bit of
him now. But uh, yeah, there's no secret to what
Jamiir Perez is can be, what Ohio State thinks he
can be, et cetera. He is a run stuffing nose
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tackle that's going to play well over three hundred pounds
who can also get after the quarterback a little bit
because he does. While he's probably twenty thirty pounds from
an ideal playing weight. At this point, I think they'll
want to drop him down into the three twenty five
three thirty range. The fact that he's able to move
the way he does at the size that he does
is super intriguing, and it does it makes you wonder, Okay,
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when this guy gets down in around three thirty, what
is he going to look like?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, and three thirty and it'll be a stronger three
thirty and he's already overpowering offensive lineman. Now so stronger, quicker,
and he's able to just push the center into the guard,
into the backfield. But now it's interesting with a guy
like Jamir Perez or any of these big run stuffing
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nose tackles, they can be the difference between your team
giving up four yards of carry and three and a half,
and over the course of a season, that's a big thing.
And so you know, you watch highlights, and you know
for nose tackles, the highlights aren't necessarily sacks and things
like that. In high school, you know sometimes they are,
but it's like it's just it's almost the stuff that
you don't see, and what you don't see is you
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don't see a lot of runs up the middle. I
remember in the spring game when Ohios they had a
lot of runs successful runs up the middle. When when
he's out there, guys like Jamiir Perez, they can lock
that down.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
And that's so key, and especially over the course.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Of a long season, where if if he can keep
the linebackers clean and keep everybody just dialed in and
not getting worn down as long as he's not getting
worn down guys like Perez, where it's just every great
defense has guys up front and you may not notice them,
but what you notice is, boy, these running plays aren't
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going very far.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, he's like it's a big time space eater, but
again has some athleticism to him to where he can
kind of push things and get get to the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I was talking to ted gn Senior about him, and
obviously in terms of natural explosiveness that came up, but
the thing ted Con Senior said about him is just
how strong his upper body and his hands are. And
I don't know how to like describe it to people
other than like if you you could take two three
hundred pound men, but you shake one's hand and you
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shake the other's hand. And the other one's got that
firm like crush your hand grip and just he plays
with like it's like heavy hands is what they call it.
He has heavy hands, like when he shakes your hand,
when he grips, when he you know, puts an arm
into your chest. It it's just a little bit different.
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And so that's what they that was. That is what
is so intriguing about him, is his natural explosiveness and strength.
And they'll, like I said, they'll figure the weight out.
They'll get him down to where he needs to be.
I think he he already knows that. They've already told
him that. Ted gin Senor certainly told him that, and uh,
you know they're working on it. So this is a guy,
I think, kind of a long term play, a high
upside play, right, Maybe not a guy who's ready immediately,
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but but a guy that could be molded into a
really good nose tackle by year two or three.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, And it's not like they need him down to
three zero five or anything like that. He's a big kid.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
And you know, they're okay with Kaden McDonald being you know,
three twenty five or whatever. Tyler Williams forever was, you know,
around three twenty five, three thirty for his first few years,
so like they could work with that. And Larry Johnson
he doesn't mind putting a three hundred and thirty pound
guy nose tack or at three tech.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
He does his own thing.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
He'll put a two hundred and eighty five pound guy
at nose tackle. But I think with Perez, it's pretty
clear that he's a he's a one, he's a zero
depending on what they're looking like a defensive line with
their front. And really he's the kind of guy that
can let you go from odd to even based on
you know, because he can do either one of those things.
I think for you, because he's big enough if you
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want to go to an odd front. But he's also
customarily like he's custom made to be your your one
tech as well. So I think, you know, whatever they
want to do with them, he's got the size and
as you said, like he's strong and you can see
that in the Clipse where he's just overpowering the interior
guys and just pushing them back into the quarterback or
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into the running back.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, so again, you know, we'll see where this goes.
But like Tony mentioned, you know, this is a guy,
he's going to play at three thirty. Like, he's not
like we're not talking about like fifty pounds of weight here.
He's going to play. He's naturally big. He's going to
play at three thirty, three thirty five. So they'll get
him down there and and they'll work with it. And
so I'm curious to see what his senior year looks
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like because I think he's got a chance to really
improve on what he did last year. I think, you know,
maybe better conditioning. You know, certainly he's learned some he's
he's had a year development, He's he's done some camps.
He was on their bus tour doing the camps, learning things,
new techniques, and he's kind of picking things up from
the coaches he was working with. So a guy, I'm
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very interested to see what the development curve looks like
now in October November. What are we looking at then?
I think that's gonna be a very interesting thing. You know,
Tony again here, it's so important, right this defensive line recruiting.
You know, everyone's kind of worried about it, but gosh,
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it just feels like it feels like things are starting
to to work out.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, and that helps when you you lock down in
your state, you get the guys you need in state,
and obviously press one of those, and then you go
and get You're not gonna get all of your targets,
but once you start filling your basket, you start feeling
better about things because you're gonna want to rotate.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Is They would love to be able to play.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Like eight guys in a game, every you know up
front and just have everybody have their own backup and
not even call them backups, just call them the next
guys in and go from there. And if they could
get to ten, they'd love that as well. So you
bring in as many as you can without getting into
fights with other position coaches, basically because Keenan Bailey's gonna
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he wants four tight ends a year seemingly, and Larry
Johnson's only allowed like three defensive lineman at times or whatever.
But you know, it's you're all one team, and everybody
does better when you've got a better defensive line. The
tight ends do better when Ohio State has a better
defensive line because everybody benefits from it.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And boy, wouldn't it be nice You're trying to recruit
these linebackers like in twenty six and twenty seven, like, hey, look,
what's gonna be in front of you? You know, especially
if you're like a mic like you look like hey,
like yeah, you're gonna be playing behind a three hundred
and thirty pound nose tackle, you know. And in a
guy like a like a Carri Wilder for example, who's
already you know, two hundred and sixty pounds, he is
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he gonna be the Edara Houston of this class and
kind of kickingside so we had a dynamite, explosive free
tech or is he gonna stay outside, which in that case,
you still got a big guy on the outside helping
kind of clean things up if you're a linebacker. So I, yeah,
this is this is starting to come together. I'm not
taking a victory lap yet. I'm not gonna do that.
I'm not going to do the premature touchdown dance. I'm
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not gonna drop the ball. I'm not gonna leon let it,
you know, drop the ball in the one yard line.
We're not going to do that. But I did say
a couple of weeks ago that I expected things to
start to come together, that I felt they were better
positioned than in the past in terms of having more
irons in the fire and not having to worry about
you know, oh, we don't get. You know, we got
three or four guys here, and if we don't get
you know, all three of them are three out of
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four of them, we're gonna be in trouble. I think
that the net was cast wider. So I think we're
starting to see some good results here clearly, and you know,
we'll see, we'll see how the summer finishes. I won't
I will not take I really shouldn't take a victory
lap in today's landscape until December anyway, because you just
never know what can happen. So I promise you guys,
I will not take a victory lap until roughly around Christmas.
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But I do think I think things are on track,
and you know, am am I crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well I'll just say, don't forget this. Bringing don't get
the spring transfer portal window either.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, you know, you hesitated quite a bit when I
asked you some crazy, so I don't know that was
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
What to No, things generally come together for Ohio State,
and I think you're you're going to be seeing that again. Uh, Tony, No,
you know, I think I think we talked last week
about Glenville versus South Florida Express in terms of Ohio
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State pipelines. I think Glennville is just nudged ahead. I
don't know how long they're going to hold that spot
or Express.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You're on the clock. This is like the This is
like the Ohio man versus Florida man. You know it's
Ohio man has has taken the lead. Florida man next.
You know you're next. What are you gonna do here?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Never never say, like Florida man, your move, because you
don't know what could happen next.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, my arting thought is Ohio State fans, please just
trust me on this specific one especially, Never take said
Ted Tedgins Senior for granted. Never take the legend Ted
Gins Senior for granted. If you ever see him in person,
shake his hand, thank him for his service. Uh that'll
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