July 29, 2025 • 32 mins
Buckeye Weekly Podcast: Listener Questions on OSU Football, Michigan Rivalry, and Offensive Coordinator Brian Hartline
In this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr tackle a variety of listener questions. They discuss the impact of the Michigan game on Ohio State's national championships over the years, the potential fallout from Michigan's cheating scandal, and the outlook for Brian Hartline as Ohio State's new offensive coordinator. They also dive into the expectations for Texas quarterback Arch Manning and whether his last name is fueling the hype. Tune in to hear about fall camp details and get a comprehensive look into the Buckeye football world. Don't forget to follow the show, as well as the exciting updates from BuckeyeHuddle.com and the Buckeye Huddle YouTube channel.
00:00 Introduction and New Team Member Announcement
01:53 Listener Questions: National Championships Lost
07:52 Listener Questions: Kicking Game Predictions
12:32 Listener Questions: Michigan's Cheating Scandal Impact
19:08 Listener Questions: Brian Hartline as Offensive Coordinator
24:19 Listener Questions: Arch Manning Hype
31:12 Conclusion and Upcoming Fall Camp Coverage
In this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr tackle a variety of listener questions. They discuss the impact of the Michigan game on Ohio State's national championships over the years, the potential fallout from Michigan's cheating scandal, and the outlook for Brian Hartline as Ohio State's new offensive coordinator. They also dive into the expectations for Texas quarterback Arch Manning and whether his last name is fueling the hype. Tune in to hear about fall camp details and get a comprehensive look into the Buckeye football world. Don't forget to follow the show, as well as the exciting updates from BuckeyeHuddle.com and the Buckeye Huddle YouTube channel.
00:00 Introduction and New Team Member Announcement
01:53 Listener Questions: National Championships Lost
07:52 Listener Questions: Kicking Game Predictions
12:32 Listener Questions: Michigan's Cheating Scandal Impact
19:08 Listener Questions: Brian Hartline as Offensive Coordinator
24:19 Listener Questions: Arch Manning Hype
31:12 Conclusion and Upcoming Fall Camp Coverage
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How's it going, Tony. We have a new member of
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(00:30):
our board, you know, and the sort of like welcome
aboard kind of thread, and he said one of the
things he was really looking forward to was power pausing
me and it was like, hello, that not everyone gets
to do that. That's just Tony's thing. It's hat science
catchup and that those are the three things that Tony
has in the world. Do not try and steal one
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of those things from it.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I don't have much, Tom, I do not have much,
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Heaven help you if you come after any of those
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(01:14):
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And there's this podcast, the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. If you're
(01:35):
not aware of it, should be you're listening to it
or watching it right now. But Tom, crazy times there
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not aware of exactly when they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Sorry, where am I? Who am I? Uh? Let's uh,
let's you know, Tony, you know what I feel like doing.
Let's do a podcast. We'll come up with them later.
Let's let's take some questions from listeners and then we'll
come up with the title for the show later. But
how about this one. I'm getting a question from VW
Chad W right now in my mind. He wants to
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know how many potential national championships did the game cost
the Buckeyes throughout the years. I started watching them in
the mid eighties, and it seems like many.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well just from there, because we could throw nineteen sixty
nine in there as well, I suppose, but I was.
I was at Ohio State from nineteen ninety four to
nineteen ninety eight, and let me tell your friends about
nineteen ninety five, nineteen ninety six, and nineteen ninety seven,
because none of those years went as planned because of
the Michigan Wolverines. Nineteen ninety five, their only lost, their
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first regular season loss came at Michigan with thirty one
twenty three. Nineteen ninety six is what thirteen to nine
and the horseshoe that was Ohio State it's only loss,
and then ninety seven they go up there. They had
already lost a great game to Penn State, but if
they beat Michigan in that one, there's a pretty decent
chance that they're going to be one or two number
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two because Nebraska is going to be one, and Tennessee
and Florida State had lost some games in there, so
there was there's an opportunity in there for a maybe
a shared but probably probably not because of Nebraska. So
I don't know that ninety seven would necessarily count because
they already had that loss, but you could go to
perhaps two thousand and three with that loss to Michigan.
(03:24):
I'll stop their tom I'll let you chime in on
that's just the twenty five years ago, and so feel
free to jump on in.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, those are the ones that I definitely first hand.
Remember ninety three, they were unbeaten but had a tie
against Wisconsin, and as it turned out, Florida State won
that year, but they had won they had lost a
game to Notre Dame, so they did have a loss.
So theoretically Ohio State could have if they had beaten Michigan,
they would have been eleven oh and one, right, eleven
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oh one to one. No, they finished ten one in one,
so that was nine. They would have been ten oh
to one going into the bowl game and they would
have played That was a Wisconsin team that played UCLA
that year in the Rose Bowl and won, so you know,
you figure they probably win the Rose Bowl. And if
you're eleven zero to one in Florida State has lost
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a game to Notre Dame, Yeah, ninety three, they might
have had a chance going back through the seventies and
kind of working my way back through, I don't think
they you know, seventy six, seventy seven to seventy eight,
they lost woodies last three years. They might have in
the you know, it might have been a tie in
nineteen seventy three that could have cost them a national championship.
(04:41):
I think that was a year where like Alabama and
Notre Dame, there were a couple teams that were sort
of you know, it's one of those contested years that
Alabama claims because Alabama claimed everything. But if Ohio State
had won that game and not tied at ten to ten,
then they could have potentially at least had a gay
claim for nineteen seventy three as well. So I think
we can throw that one on the pile. So right now,
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we got sixty nine to seventy three, ninety three, ninety five,
ninety six. You can throw a little asterisk on ninety seven.
Two thousand and three. I think that was a year
that were there. That was a year with a split title,
right two thousand and three, that was the year that
LSU and USC USC and I think they both had
lost a game that year. So if Ohio State had
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won that Michigan game and gone out to the Rose
Bowl and beaten USC. Presumably you you have a chance
there as well. So and then you know, more recently
than that, twenty twenty three, they missed out on the
College Football Playoff, and so you know that that didn't
directly cost them national championship, but it certainly cast them
a chance at a national championship. Twenty twenty one, they
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would have probably gone to the College Football Playoff if
they hadn't lost that one. Probably, I mean, do.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You want to see that Ohio State defense against an
Alabama offense.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, I didn't say that they would, you know, I
didn't say it was a guarantee, but it caused them
a chance to play for it. So you know that
that year, I think is a I think is one
you could you know, I think you could. They won
in twenty nineteen, but the fact that they had back
to back Penn State and at Michigan and then had
to go play a really physical Wisconsin team in the
Big Ten Championship game three weeks in a row, that
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one is a win that probably caused to Ohio State
a chance to you know, they were the number one
team going into conference championship weekend, and they were really
battered and beaten up because the Big Ten were scheduled
like more on that year, and so then LSU kind
of cruised to a big an SEC championship. Ohio State
was kind of struggling. They were winning at halftime, I think,
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but it was close against Wisconsin, and LSU jumped them
in the polls to get number one and then get
to get the first round by against the Lincoln Riley
Oklahoma team. O Ohio State had to go play Clemson
and just beat the ever living crap out of each
other for sixty full minutes. So and then you know
at that point whoever was playing Oklahoma was probably going
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to win the national championship because the other team was
going to be too beaten up. So you could make
an indirect argument for that one as well, I suppose,
if you want to throw another one on the pile.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
How about if Michigan wins. If Michigan loses to Ohio
State last year, does that cost Ohio State a national championship?
Because the players, the Ohio State players will tell you
that loss fueled them and that was the impetus to
restructuring and coming together and going and winning at all,
So just the reverse asterisk or something there where the
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game kind of woad and pushed to Ohio State to
a national title last year for a change.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So there you go. There you have it. Ohio State
wins in twenty nineteen and loses the national championship as
a result, and loses in twenty twenty four and wins
the National Championship as a result. Do they even want
to win this game anymore? Tony sources say no? All right,
So here's this next one from at Dylan every Day,
who kicks the first field goal attempt for Ohio State
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in n Arbor, Michigan on November two, ninth, twenty twenty five.
This is an interesting one because you have the returning kicker,
who is Jaden Fielding, who you know and remember who
kicked the National Championship game clinching field goal, So your
last impression of him should be a positive one, and
he was banged up a little last year. But they
also added Jackson Corville, who's a transfer from Ball State,
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who has kind of a little bit of a bigger
leg maybe than Jaden Fielding, similar accuracy, but I think
this is a little bit more of an open question
because we don't know exactly what the two guys are
going to have in terms of roles. Is it going
to be this guy is you know, is it going
to be just a straight kicker battle and whoever wins
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is the kicker and the other guy is the sick
and string kicker, or is it going to be you're
the guy from forty yards in and you're the guy
from outside forty yards or forty five yards or fifty
yards or whatever the whatever the mark is. You know,
it has been a while since Ohio State's done that.
I remember, like Josh Jackson and Mike fat in like
nineteen ninety five or so. Yeah, there's there are a
(09:03):
couple names for you, and they have done that at
a couple times in the past. You've seen other teams
do that. It's not generally a super effective strategy, which
I think has a lot to do with the fact
that if you have a long kicker, you're going to
try more fifty yard kicks and those are just inherently
a relatively low percentage kick at the college level for
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most guys, unless you have a dominic zavada like Michigan does.
But it's we have generally seen Ryan Day issue the
fifty yard field goal attempts outside of end of the
game situations, end of the half situations. You know, if
it's fifty six yards and there's two seconds left in
the first half, line it up and give it a shot.
They did that against Tennessee was fifty plus yards. They
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did that at Michigan I think in twenty twenty three
at the end of the half. You saw them try
that with about a fifty yard er against Georgia in
the Peach Bowl. But these are all kind of desperation
or kind of well, what else are you going to
do kind of situations, just sort of normal game flow.
Ryan Day has really not kicked a lot of fifty yarders.
(10:10):
I guess this is the year we find out whether
that's a result of Ryan Day looking at the likelihood
of making that and looking at the other opportunities to
maybe go for it, or you punted and play field position,
or whether it's just he hasn't had a kicker he's
trusted from that far out since what Blake Halbil against
Northwestern in ninety twenty nineteen, right, I think was the
(10:30):
last guy to make one for longer than fifty so yeah,
we'll see. So, Tony, I just talked a lot and
didn't answer the question. So go ahead and answer the question.
Who's going to kick the first field goal against Michigan
this year?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I think it also depends on as Jackson Corville made
five of five from fifty yards before this game, like
you know, throughout the season, he's been somebody that they
can trust, so that when it is fourth and six
from the thirty six, rather than going for it in
the second quarter, Ryan Day is like, shoot, yeah, let's
go ahead and we just let's get some points. Every
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point that we can get has been you know, would
be valuable because they've not gotten enough points recently, so
they go ahead and take it. That's never been what
Ryan Day is. So I don't think even having a
kicker that does that, I don't think he wants to
become that. And then it's a situation of if the
first kick the first field goal in this game for
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Ohio State is at the end of the game. Frankly,
I don't see that happening. That's that's not the way
this game has ever been played. First field goal usually
comes in the first quarter, and then the second field
goal is also in the first quarter, Like this is
a field goal game. So I'm gonna say Jaden Fielding
because I don't think Ryan Day's going to kick a
long one and Jackson Corville last year made a fifty
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and fifty two yarder in the same game. I don't
see them settling for something like that. I see, you know,
things bogged down in the red zone and here comes
Jaden Fielding with a twenty nine yarder.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, that's that's probably the most likely scenario, at least
at this point. And you know, we'll see, well, we'll
probably have a much better answer on that in a
matter of a few weeks when we see how the
kicking battle sort of shake shakes out during fall camp
and how things are, you know, how they're looking at
maybe dividing things up, or if it's just going to
be this is the guy and this is the guy
on every kick, or this is the guy only on
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certain kicks.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So can I can I did you skip the second
question because you were a coward?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I did not. I skipped the second question because I
scrolled down too far. So let's scroll back up to
the second question, Tony, which is also from at VW
CHADW How much damage did Michigan's cheating scandal due to
Ohio State? Do they have a lawsuit against Michigan for
the loss of revenue because of it? I know the
one the Natty, but it had to hurt the Buckeye somehow.
What was the true back impact? Can it be quantified?
(12:45):
So I think let's work sort of from the middle out.
Do they have a lawsuit against Michigan for the loss
of revenue? No? Probably not, because that would be you
know what revenue you lose? You you kept your tea,
you know, you still got your TV revenue, you still
got your ticket revenue. You're not you know, it's not
like you get a big prize check for ten million
(13:08):
dollars if you win the National Championship or something like that.
So you're looking at like, well, you know, if you
win the national Championship, then you see this bump in
merchandise licensing sales and that kind of stuff. Like I
think that's going to be hard to quantify, and it'd
also be kind of hard to say, here a definitive
proof like this. You know, it's not this is not
like uh, you know, I have you were texting and
(13:31):
you ran into the back of me at a red light.
Like you know, these things are very easy to kind
of go boom boom boom these This caused this, and
this caused that. This is a little more indirect. So
you know, ed, do they have a lawsuit? No? I
think I think this is maybe the only case in
college sports, Tony where the attorneys are not about ready
to jump in and file seventeen lawsuits. As far as
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how much damage did it do to Ohio State? You know,
twenty one, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, or the
three years we're talking about here. In twenty twenty three
was a year where Stallions was out at that point,
and you know, the the scheme was sort of known
at that point, So okay, you sort of set that
one aside. Twenty twenty one. Maybe, you know, I think
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that twenty twenty one probably did some harm. And you know,
if Ohio State wins that game, it's more kind of
like big picture indirect stuff like Ohio it wins that game, then,
does you know, is Jim Harball kind of you know,
has he has he accomplished his mission? And does he
does he stick around for another year? And all that
kind of stuff. The one where you have the most
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direct case, I think is twenty twenty two, where that
was just that was a very very good Ohio State team.
It was a team that had a Jim Noles defense,
and boy, Michigan just sort of had the right answers
at all the times and made an Ohio State offense
that looked extraordinary against everyone else they play looked very
very or andy. And then as soon as the Michigan
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defense didn't have the Connor Stallions bump because he hadn't
been scouting TCU, boy, they looked real ordinary again against TCU.
And then Ohio State just absolutely lit a Kirby Smart
defense on fire in the Peach Bowl to the two
to forty something point and then lost to Marvin Harrison
and still finished with what forty two points whatever, it
was forty one points, so you know, they've probably hit
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fifty if Marvin Harrison is healthy for that whole game.
And then you look at the you know, you look
at the game in Columbus and it's like, boy, that
was and you know, the final score was a pretty
big margin, but it was a pretty big margin as
a result of two long runs at the end of
a game that would not have been long runs if
Ohio State hadn't been in desperation defense because they were
slightly behind. And that's the one and boy, if they
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win that game in twenty twenty two and they win
the Big Ten Championship, then there's a pretty decent chance
they're the number one seed, and you know that they
don't have to go play they don't have to play
Georgia in the first round, and they play, you know,
there's a decent chance to play TCU in the first round.
And you know, I don't think beating TCU was as
hard as Michigan made it look that year, because Georgia
Shore didn't make it look hard. So, you know, in
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terms of the direct impact in Ohio State, I think
the twenty twenty two season and the fact that Ohio
State didn't get a chance to play for the national
championship that year. They made the playoff, but they didn't
get a chance, of you to be in the national
championship game. They had that tough game against Georgia in
the semi finals. If you're going to look at something
and go where was the impact, that would be where
(16:33):
I would say the greatest.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Impact was and others would say, well, you lost to
Georgia anyway, so what's the point, Like you would have
had to beating them anyway, and you didn't. You were
up eighteen or whatever, and you still lost. So even
if if you beat Michigan that year, that year and
you went into Big Ten, you're still gonna have to
beat Georgia and you didn't get it done, maybe had
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to play them somewhere else other than where they did.
I also think in terms of how many national championships
did this cost? Like the first question like that is
that the harm that we're talking about, because I would
say they probably saved money by not having to go
fly everybody to Indianapolis. So maybe there's that aspect of it.
(17:16):
But imagine taking this to court and then you're like, well, okay,
your honors say, say, Ohio State beats Michigan, they're still
going to have to face the SEC in whatever championship
game or playoffs and tom as we know, we're talking
hypotheticals here and this is all the court can talk about.
(17:39):
They're gonna have to bring in some expert witnesses. And
you got Michigan's lawyer, like, your honor, I'd like to
bring in an expert witness, Paul Finebaum to tell you
how things would have gone if Ohio State had beaten Michigan.
And of course you would hear everybody saying they wouldn't
have beaten the SEC anyway. So what does it matter.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, well, if you could avoid playing Georgia in Atlanta,
that probably helps. You know, let's say that's worth oh
don't know, two points. Well, that would have made a
pretty significant difference in that game. So yeah, you can.
You can kind of look at any you know, look
at a bunch of stuff and it's all kind of hypothetical,
but it's that's that's the year to me that I
look at and go, if you're going to point to
one thing one year where boy, it really doesn't feel
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like the uh correct team won the game, that's that's
the one. I think twenty twenty one you can say,
well they out tough, dumb, and twenty twenty three things
were sort of you know, known enough that it came
down to, you know, twenty twenty three was probably the
worst of those three Ohio State teams in some ways,
and they came within a offensive lineman stepping on kind
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of Accord's foot in the final drive away from beating
that Michigan team that went on to win the national
championship in their own house. So you know, you're you're
talking about very fine margins here. So if you have some,
you know, if something changes just a little bit in
one of the previous years, that probably does sling some things.
So there you go. But no, no, they are not
going to They are the only people in college sports
(19:03):
that are not going to be suing someone. Nikkelin from
at Perry Elias zero eight four four eight. How will
Brian Heartline fair at offensive coordinator? Will they allow Julian
Saying to pick up three yards?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
If they don't, then they're crazy. But in terms of
how Brian Hartline will fare at OC, let's keep in
mind that he's coordinated, he's not called plays. But if
you were ever to get your first full time like
opportunity to call plays, there's no better opportunity. There's no
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better situation than what Brian Hartline has here other than
the fact that he's got an unknown quarterback. If you
had a more proven quarterback, then there'd be no reason
that you shouldn't be successful. Because he's learned from Ryan
Day and Chip Kelly, two of the best play callers
in college football history, or at least, if you want
to say the last twenty years, two of the best.
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He's got all kinds of skill talent to get the
ball too, to make his quarterback happy. So that reason alone,
and he's got a good understanding of the passing game.
Right day said, you know, he's going to continue to
work on his understanding or his feel for the running game,
but everything is set up for him to succeed, and
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so I would expect him to do so. But that's
putting quite an assumption on the quarterback as well. But
again we should assume a quarterback in Ohio State is
going to succeed for all of the same reasons. All
of the people around him, coaching around him, the players
around him, and in terms of picking up three yards,
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I'm expecting if if Jeremiah Smith is lined up and
there's so many twelve yards off of him, just throw
it to him, you know, those sorts of things. Just
get it right to him, and some short yards stuff
to to get the quarterback feeling well, feeling good, like
you know when you're in a shooting slop. If you
can get some free throws, you know, that sort of thing,
(21:05):
and just build up some confidence. So I think they're
going to look for ways to make things as easy
as possible. For Julian saying this season.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Well, and the pickup free yards thing, I wondered if
that was Julian saying scrambling, Hey, no one's open, just
go ahead and run for you know, run for five
yards and slide and do that. That's that's how I
interpreted that piece of the question. But you're right. I mean,
if if something's open, they're gonna take the free open thing.
Because if you're gonna play twelve yards off Jeremiah Smith
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and Ohio State doesn't take advantage of that, guess what,
you're just inviting them to continue playing twelve yards off
of him. And you have to you have to take
what they're giving you to a certain degree. And you know,
if they if they keep doing that and you're picking
up three yards at a pop instead of eight, then
maybe then you do then you do mix it up
a little bit more. But you have to. Yeah, if
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in that case, yeah, you're gonna take what they're giving you.
And I do think they're gonna be okay with saying
running he is not Braxton Miller. He's not Cardale, you know,
my big Cardill Jones. He's not Braxton Miller. He's not
Trell Pryor necessarily running the ball. But he can get
out there and he can pick up yards with his legs.
Much more of a much better runner than Kyle McCord,
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I would say, probably better runner than like Dwayne Haskins.
Probably better runner than a C. J. Stroud was for
you know, most of his career, just because you know,
he just didn't run. Not that he couldn't run, he
just didn't run. I think you've got a quarterback room
where there's probably not an enormous drop off from QB
one to QB two. This is not the Justin Fields
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to Chris chugganof kind of year. This is a year
where you've got a couple of guys who I think
they're feeling decent about and so that means you're maybe
a little more willing to run. And if someone get
you know, if you get banged up a little bit
and you need to come out for a drive or two,
you're probably okay with if it is Julian Say, and
then you put Lincoln Keenhols in and you're probably okay
with doing it. And if you know Lincoln Keenhols, you
know he can run as well to a certain degree.
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So I think, I think, yes, you're going to see
the quarterback run. And as Tony said, yeah, you've got
Brian Hartlin is as set up to do a good
job and a farewell in his first season as a
offensive coordinator, as just about as a play caller as
just about anyone all the stuff that you mentioned. You mentioned,
you know, figuring out the run game. They do have
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Tyler Bowen, who has called plays before. He's kind of
helping with the run game calls and the run game
coordinator role. So you really you have about as much
of a support network as you possibly can. And you
also have Ryan Day, who's going to be on the
headset and going to be hearing all of the calls
and be able to give you some feedback if he
disagrees or if you know, hey think about this, Hey
(23:40):
think about that. I know Ryan Day wants to let
Brian hartline, you know, let go of the back of
the bicycle seat and let him pedal off down the street.
But you know he is there to hold the back
of the bicycle seat if if needed at some point
or to you know, provide some feedback, Hey think about this,
or hey if they show you if you're seeing this coverage,
what thing about that you know you're gonna have. You're
(24:02):
gonna have instant feedback from a guy who is pretty
well established as one of the best in the nation
to do this.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, and they're gonna be talking constantly. So yeah, there's
gonna be plenty of feedback from Rye Day.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
All right. And speaking of having a young quarterback to
lead your offense, if the Texas quarterback was named Tim Peterson,
would he still be the favorite for the Heisman? And
would they be a preseason top three team? That's from
at Tony unders for Lisa thirteen. You know, I do
think the Manning name has done a lot of lifting
(24:33):
there for arch and I that's not to say that
he couldn't be fantastic this year. I think there's you
have seen flashes from him, but you've just seen flashes.
We've seen flashes from Julian saying. That doesn't mean that
I'm looking at Julian saying and going book your ticket
to New York right now, like maybe I mean possibly
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and absolutely the same for arch Manning and both of
those guys, or you know, if it's Lincoln keen Hoolson
not not Julian saying they're gonna have a platform game
week one to really sort of set off a Heisman campaign.
If one of those guys puts up thirty eight points
and leads this team to win to win, like, yeah,
you're gonna immediately be at the top of the post
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Week one Heisman boards for whoever does those kind of things.
So all that said, I go back to boy, we
watched a lot of Texas football at the end of
last year, and we sure didn't see a lot of
arch Manning. We watched what four games I think before
the Buckeyes played Texas, including their Big Tails, their SEC
(25:35):
champion SEC Championship game, and the game against Clemson and
the game against Arizona State, and I think we went
back and watched one more maybe from earlier in the year,
and you basically just saw arch Manning in, you know,
come in and run the ball kind of packages, you know,
he came in and packages like Devin Brown came in
(25:56):
in twenty twenty three where it's like, well it's fourth
and one and we need something, and when he came
in it was okay. But a lot of times they
didn't pick it up, or there was you know, miscommunication
on the snap, or there was you know, there were
you know, the play got snuffed out because it was
a pretty obvious situation where if he's coming in, this
is what they're gonna do. He's a quarterback. He came
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in and you didn't see him throw in a lot
of those situations. Fourth and one he comes in against
Ohio State and they run the ball and Lathan Ransom
just turns him inside out and he didn't fumble, but
only by about three frames of video, like about one
tenth of a second. He didn't fumble the ball. You know,
the ball didn't come out before his knee hit. It
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just it felt like, you know, this is we talk
all the time. They're going to tell you what they're
gonna tell you, but they're also going to show you. You know,
don't tell me, show me what you think of someone.
It didn't look like, you know, they weren't showing you
this is the guy. This guy is ready to dominate
right now. It's just that we have this other guy
who's even more amazing and Morris that it was just
kind of he was. He was not loosed like the
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guy who was on the absolute cusp of super megastardom
last year. Doesn't mean that he couldn't have grown significantly
between the end of last year and now, but Sark,
who is known as a pretty good QB guru, was
not treating him like, this is a guy who's going
to be super megastar just two seconds after we take
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the shrink wrap off of them. They and Quen yours
was fine last year. Quen you Weres was limited by
injury and you still didn't see a lot of arch
manning down the line. So all that to say, the
last name is probably doing a little bit of heavy
lifting right now. But if he comes into Ohio Stadium
in Week one and leads them to thirty eight points
and they win thirty eight twenty four, then yeah, congratulations,
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he could win. The highestpan of his name was Tim
Peterson Peterson two.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Well, regarding the Tim Peterson first see Adrian Peterson's kid,
because then yet, yeah, if he is, then yes, he's
going to receive considerable hype. But he didn't throw pass
in the final seven games last year. Heading through twelve
in a couple of games before that, six against Georgia
and six against Florida after throwing seventy eight in the
first five games and nothing against Michigan in game two.
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So when we're talking about all the games that we
watched for preparing for Texas, we also watched the play
against Michigan in week two, or watched Texas play against Michigan.
We didn't see Archs, but he threw ninety passes last year.
That's pretty good number for somebody that's going to be
a new starter. So I have no problem with Texas
having expectations. Ohio State has expectations, and nobody's you know,
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complaining about the hype that Julian Sayan is getting, or
like people are giving Julian saying too much credit by
putting this hype on Ohio State and the favorite for
the Heisman. That's just you know, people trying to generate
bets and things like that. What I really get annoyed
at is people who are already putting them on lists
of the third best quarterback in the country or the
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fifth best quarterback in the country. Because if you're trying
to say that you're an expert, there's nothing you've seen
to this point that would have you think that he
is the third best or the fifth best, because he's
not done enough. If you want to say this is
a projection, fine, don't tell me he's the fourth best
quarterback in a nation right now, because there's no evidence
of that. So that's that's the only part that I
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really get annoyed at. The Heisman is a hype award
generally anyways, and Texas is going to be a top
three team with a lot of different quarterbacks, and so
is Ohio State. So I just get annoyed at the
people who already have already annointed him as one of
the best when we haven't seen it.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah. I again, I'm perfectly willing to say, ask me
again on Labor Day and I may have a different
answer for you. But I just you know, we've had
lots of big name quarterbacks that we've seen over the
years where super mega hype and then you know, five
star quarterback and then who is the kid who went
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like USC to somewhere, to the Boise State to somewhere else.
So it was you know, Malachai Nelson or whatever. But
but you know, there there are guys like that every
single year and you haven't really seen it yet. And
you know, Kyle McCord was a five star guy. You
saw him come in against Akron in his true freshman
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year and you know, put up some pretty nice numbers
and I'll look at that. And then he ends up
taking on the starting role a couple of years later
and it was fine, and then put up big numbers
for Syracuse. But you know, again it was fine. It
wasn't you know. He he had great games, he had
bad games. You can look at virtually any five star
quarterback and go, yeah, you can, you know, great in
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some ways, not great in other ways, and some of
them just don't pan it out at all. And it's
just it's a little too soon to uh, you know,
fit fit arch Manning's head for the crown again, ask
ask again on on Labor Day night, and you know,
we may we may be saying, yeah, absolutely, you know,
crown him. That's one hundred percent, Like we can have
that conversation. Then let's see what it looks like on
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the field, because you just you really haven't seen it
against really good competition on the field yet.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, I have no problem crowning somebody. So let's the
game will be here soon enough. I'm okay waiting until
it gets here to do this to do so, so
there you go listener questions. We do want to Let's know,
Fall camp starts Thursday. We will be there. We'll be there, Friday,
will be there. Saturday. We'll have shows recapping everything we
saw each day. So I think Friday it will be
(31:25):
a buck Eye tomorrow morning, then or Thursday will be
buck Eyes tomorrow morning, and then Friday and Saturday after
practice we will have buck Eye weeklies for you recap
and everything, and then we talk with Ryan Day, and
we talk with I don't know, is Ryan Day the
only person we talked to you this week. I was
excited to get the schedule and then it's gone completely
out of my brain. And then we do talk with
Ryan Day the first day, Tom have I stalled enough?
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Have you brought up the schedule?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
We talked to Brian Day on the first day. We
talked to Brian Hartline and Matt Patricia on Friday, and
then Saturday we're on our own. We just have to
talk to each other.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
M the worst of all possibilities, so any and we
don't have to talk to each other. We can just
it'll be like very uncomfortable. You will talk and just
look at the camera. Then I will talk about something else,
just looking into the camera, and then we'll see how
it goes.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:46):
Sorry, where am I? Who am I? Uh? Let's uh,
let's you know, Tony, you know what I feel like doing.
Let's do a podcast. We'll come up with them later.
Let's let's take some questions from listeners and then we'll
come up with the title for the show later. But
how about this one. I'm getting a question from VW
Chad W right now in my mind. He wants to
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know how many potential national championships did the game cost
the Buckeyes throughout the years. I started watching them in
the mid eighties, and it seems like many.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well just from there, because we could throw nineteen sixty
nine in there as well, I suppose, but I was.
I was at Ohio State from nineteen ninety four to
nineteen ninety eight, and let me tell your friends about
nineteen ninety five, nineteen ninety six, and nineteen ninety seven,
because none of those years went as planned because of
the Michigan Wolverines. Nineteen ninety five, their only lost, their
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first regular season loss came at Michigan with thirty one
twenty three. Nineteen ninety six is what thirteen to nine
and the horseshoe that was Ohio State it's only loss,
and then ninety seven they go up there. They had
already lost a great game to Penn State, but if
they beat Michigan in that one, there's a pretty decent
chance that they're going to be one or two number
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two because Nebraska is going to be one, and Tennessee
and Florida State had lost some games in there, so
there was there's an opportunity in there for a maybe
a shared but probably probably not because of Nebraska. So
I don't know that ninety seven would necessarily count because
they already had that loss, but you could go to
perhaps two thousand and three with that loss to Michigan.
(03:24):
I'll stop their tom I'll let you chime in on
that's just the twenty five years ago, and so feel
free to jump on in.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, those are the ones that I definitely first hand.
Remember ninety three, they were unbeaten but had a tie
against Wisconsin, and as it turned out, Florida State won
that year, but they had won they had lost a
game to Notre Dame, so they did have a loss.
So theoretically Ohio State could have if they had beaten Michigan,
they would have been eleven oh and one, right, eleven
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oh one to one. No, they finished ten one in one,
so that was nine. They would have been ten oh
to one going into the bowl game and they would
have played That was a Wisconsin team that played UCLA
that year in the Rose Bowl and won, so you know,
you figure they probably win the Rose Bowl. And if
you're eleven zero to one in Florida State has lost
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a game to Notre Dame, Yeah, ninety three, they might
have had a chance going back through the seventies and
kind of working my way back through, I don't think
they you know, seventy six, seventy seven to seventy eight,
they lost woodies last three years. They might have in
the you know, it might have been a tie in
nineteen seventy three that could have cost them a national championship.
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I think that was a year where like Alabama and
Notre Dame, there were a couple teams that were sort
of you know, it's one of those contested years that
Alabama claims because Alabama claimed everything. But if Ohio State
had won that game and not tied at ten to ten,
then they could have potentially at least had a gay
claim for nineteen seventy three as well. So I think
we can throw that one on the pile. So right now,
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we got sixty nine to seventy three, ninety three, ninety five,
ninety six. You can throw a little asterisk on ninety seven.
Two thousand and three. I think that was a year
that were there. That was a year with a split title,
right two thousand and three, that was the year that
LSU and USC USC and I think they both had
lost a game that year. So if Ohio State had
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won that Michigan game and gone out to the Rose
Bowl and beaten USC. Presumably you you have a chance
there as well. So and then you know, more recently
than that, twenty twenty three, they missed out on the
College Football Playoff, and so you know that that didn't
directly cost them national championship, but it certainly cast them
a chance at a national championship. Twenty twenty one, they
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would have probably gone to the College Football Playoff if
they hadn't lost that one. Probably, I mean, do.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You want to see that Ohio State defense against an
Alabama offense.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, I didn't say that they would, you know, I
didn't say it was a guarantee, but it caused them
a chance to play for it. So you know that
that year, I think is a I think is one
you could you know, I think you could. They won
in twenty nineteen, but the fact that they had back
to back Penn State and at Michigan and then had
to go play a really physical Wisconsin team in the
Big Ten Championship game three weeks in a row, that
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one is a win that probably caused to Ohio State
a chance to you know, they were the number one
team going into conference championship weekend, and they were really
battered and beaten up because the Big Ten were scheduled
like more on that year, and so then LSU kind
of cruised to a big an SEC championship. Ohio State
was kind of struggling. They were winning at halftime, I think,
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but it was close against Wisconsin, and LSU jumped them
in the polls to get number one and then get
to get the first round by against the Lincoln Riley
Oklahoma team. O Ohio State had to go play Clemson
and just beat the ever living crap out of each
other for sixty full minutes. So and then you know
at that point whoever was playing Oklahoma was probably going
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to win the national championship because the other team was
going to be too beaten up. So you could make
an indirect argument for that one as well, I suppose,
if you want to throw another one on the pile.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
How about if Michigan wins. If Michigan loses to Ohio
State last year, does that cost Ohio State a national championship?
Because the players, the Ohio State players will tell you
that loss fueled them and that was the impetus to
restructuring and coming together and going and winning at all,
So just the reverse asterisk or something there where the
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game kind of woad and pushed to Ohio State to
a national title last year for a change.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So there you go. There you have it. Ohio State
wins in twenty nineteen and loses the national championship as
a result, and loses in twenty twenty four and wins
the National Championship as a result. Do they even want
to win this game anymore? Tony sources say no? All right,
So here's this next one from at Dylan every Day,
who kicks the first field goal attempt for Ohio State
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in n Arbor, Michigan on November two, ninth, twenty twenty five.
This is an interesting one because you have the returning kicker,
who is Jaden Fielding, who you know and remember who
kicked the National Championship game clinching field goal, So your
last impression of him should be a positive one, and
he was banged up a little last year. But they
also added Jackson Corville, who's a transfer from Ball State,
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who has kind of a little bit of a bigger
leg maybe than Jaden Fielding, similar accuracy, but I think
this is a little bit more of an open question
because we don't know exactly what the two guys are
going to have in terms of roles. Is it going
to be this guy is you know, is it going
to be just a straight kicker battle and whoever wins
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is the kicker and the other guy is the sick
and string kicker, or is it going to be you're
the guy from forty yards in and you're the guy
from outside forty yards or forty five yards or fifty
yards or whatever the whatever the mark is. You know,
it has been a while since Ohio State's done that.
I remember, like Josh Jackson and Mike fat in like
nineteen ninety five or so. Yeah, there's there are a
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couple names for you, and they have done that at
a couple times in the past. You've seen other teams
do that. It's not generally a super effective strategy, which
I think has a lot to do with the fact
that if you have a long kicker, you're going to
try more fifty yard kicks and those are just inherently
a relatively low percentage kick at the college level for
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most guys, unless you have a dominic zavada like Michigan does.
But it's we have generally seen Ryan Day issue the
fifty yard field goal attempts outside of end of the
game situations, end of the half situations. You know, if
it's fifty six yards and there's two seconds left in
the first half, line it up and give it a shot.
They did that against Tennessee was fifty plus yards. They
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did that at Michigan I think in twenty twenty three
at the end of the half. You saw them try
that with about a fifty yard er against Georgia in
the Peach Bowl. But these are all kind of desperation
or kind of well, what else are you going to
do kind of situations, just sort of normal game flow.
Ryan Day has really not kicked a lot of fifty yarders.
(10:10):
I guess this is the year we find out whether
that's a result of Ryan Day looking at the likelihood
of making that and looking at the other opportunities to
maybe go for it, or you punted and play field position,
or whether it's just he hasn't had a kicker he's
trusted from that far out since what Blake Halbil against
Northwestern in ninety twenty nineteen, right, I think was the
(10:30):
last guy to make one for longer than fifty so yeah,
we'll see. So, Tony, I just talked a lot and
didn't answer the question. So go ahead and answer the question.
Who's going to kick the first field goal against Michigan
this year?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I think it also depends on as Jackson Corville made
five of five from fifty yards before this game, like
you know, throughout the season, he's been somebody that they
can trust, so that when it is fourth and six
from the thirty six, rather than going for it in
the second quarter, Ryan Day is like, shoot, yeah, let's
go ahead and we just let's get some points. Every
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point that we can get has been you know, would
be valuable because they've not gotten enough points recently, so
they go ahead and take it. That's never been what
Ryan Day is. So I don't think even having a
kicker that does that, I don't think he wants to
become that. And then it's a situation of if the
first kick the first field goal in this game for
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Ohio State is at the end of the game. Frankly,
I don't see that happening. That's that's not the way
this game has ever been played. First field goal usually
comes in the first quarter, and then the second field
goal is also in the first quarter, Like this is
a field goal game. So I'm gonna say Jaden Fielding
because I don't think Ryan Day's going to kick a
long one and Jackson Corville last year made a fifty
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and fifty two yarder in the same game. I don't
see them settling for something like that. I see, you know,
things bogged down in the red zone and here comes
Jaden Fielding with a twenty nine yarder.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, that's that's probably the most likely scenario, at least
at this point. And you know, we'll see, well, we'll
probably have a much better answer on that in a
matter of a few weeks when we see how the
kicking battle sort of shake shakes out during fall camp
and how things are, you know, how they're looking at
maybe dividing things up, or if it's just going to
be this is the guy and this is the guy
on every kick, or this is the guy only on
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certain kicks.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So can I can I did you skip the second
question because you were a coward?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I did not. I skipped the second question because I
scrolled down too far. So let's scroll back up to
the second question, Tony, which is also from at VW
CHADW How much damage did Michigan's cheating scandal due to
Ohio State? Do they have a lawsuit against Michigan for
the loss of revenue because of it? I know the
one the Natty, but it had to hurt the Buckeye somehow.
What was the true back impact? Can it be quantified?
(12:45):
So I think let's work sort of from the middle out.
Do they have a lawsuit against Michigan for the loss
of revenue? No? Probably not, because that would be you
know what revenue you lose? You you kept your tea,
you know, you still got your TV revenue, you still
got your ticket revenue. You're not you know, it's not
like you get a big prize check for ten million
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dollars if you win the National Championship or something like that.
So you're looking at like, well, you know, if you
win the national Championship, then you see this bump in
merchandise licensing sales and that kind of stuff. Like I
think that's going to be hard to quantify, and it'd
also be kind of hard to say, here a definitive
proof like this. You know, it's not this is not
like uh, you know, I have you were texting and
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you ran into the back of me at a red light.
Like you know, these things are very easy to kind
of go boom boom boom these This caused this, and
this caused that. This is a little more indirect. So
you know, ed, do they have a lawsuit? No? I
think I think this is maybe the only case in
college sports, Tony where the attorneys are not about ready
to jump in and file seventeen lawsuits. As far as
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how much damage did it do to Ohio State? You know,
twenty one, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, or the
three years we're talking about here. In twenty twenty three
was a year where Stallions was out at that point,
and you know, the the scheme was sort of known
at that point, So okay, you sort of set that
one aside. Twenty twenty one. Maybe, you know, I think
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that twenty twenty one probably did some harm. And you know,
if Ohio State wins that game, it's more kind of
like big picture indirect stuff like Ohio it wins that game, then,
does you know, is Jim Harball kind of you know,
has he has he accomplished his mission? And does he
does he stick around for another year? And all that
kind of stuff. The one where you have the most
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direct case, I think is twenty twenty two, where that
was just that was a very very good Ohio State team.
It was a team that had a Jim Noles defense,
and boy, Michigan just sort of had the right answers
at all the times and made an Ohio State offense
that looked extraordinary against everyone else they play looked very
very or andy. And then as soon as the Michigan
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defense didn't have the Connor Stallions bump because he hadn't
been scouting TCU, boy, they looked real ordinary again against TCU.
And then Ohio State just absolutely lit a Kirby Smart
defense on fire in the Peach Bowl to the two
to forty something point and then lost to Marvin Harrison
and still finished with what forty two points whatever, it
was forty one points, so you know, they've probably hit
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fifty if Marvin Harrison is healthy for that whole game.
And then you look at the you know, you look
at the game in Columbus and it's like, boy, that
was and you know, the final score was a pretty
big margin, but it was a pretty big margin as
a result of two long runs at the end of
a game that would not have been long runs if
Ohio State hadn't been in desperation defense because they were
slightly behind. And that's the one and boy, if they
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win that game in twenty twenty two and they win
the Big Ten Championship, then there's a pretty decent chance
they're the number one seed, and you know that they
don't have to go play they don't have to play
Georgia in the first round, and they play, you know,
there's a decent chance to play TCU in the first round.
And you know, I don't think beating TCU was as
hard as Michigan made it look that year, because Georgia
Shore didn't make it look hard. So, you know, in
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terms of the direct impact in Ohio State, I think
the twenty twenty two season and the fact that Ohio
State didn't get a chance to play for the national
championship that year. They made the playoff, but they didn't
get a chance, of you to be in the national
championship game. They had that tough game against Georgia in
the semi finals. If you're going to look at something
and go where was the impact, that would be where
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I would say the greatest.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Impact was and others would say, well, you lost to
Georgia anyway, so what's the point, Like you would have
had to beating them anyway, and you didn't. You were
up eighteen or whatever, and you still lost. So even
if if you beat Michigan that year, that year and
you went into Big Ten, you're still gonna have to
beat Georgia and you didn't get it done, maybe had
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to play them somewhere else other than where they did.
I also think in terms of how many national championships
did this cost? Like the first question like that is
that the harm that we're talking about, because I would
say they probably saved money by not having to go
fly everybody to Indianapolis. So maybe there's that aspect of it.
(17:16):
But imagine taking this to court and then you're like, well, okay,
your honors say, say, Ohio State beats Michigan, they're still
going to have to face the SEC in whatever championship
game or playoffs and tom as we know, we're talking
hypotheticals here and this is all the court can talk about.
(17:39):
They're gonna have to bring in some expert witnesses. And
you got Michigan's lawyer, like, your honor, I'd like to
bring in an expert witness, Paul Finebaum to tell you
how things would have gone if Ohio State had beaten Michigan.
And of course you would hear everybody saying they wouldn't
have beaten the SEC anyway. So what does it matter.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, well, if you could avoid playing Georgia in Atlanta,
that probably helps. You know, let's say that's worth oh
don't know, two points. Well, that would have made a
pretty significant difference in that game. So yeah, you can.
You can kind of look at any you know, look
at a bunch of stuff and it's all kind of hypothetical,
but it's that's that's the year to me that I
look at and go, if you're going to point to
one thing one year where boy, it really doesn't feel
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like the uh correct team won the game, that's that's
the one. I think twenty twenty one you can say,
well they out tough, dumb, and twenty twenty three things
were sort of you know, known enough that it came
down to, you know, twenty twenty three was probably the
worst of those three Ohio State teams in some ways,
and they came within a offensive lineman stepping on kind
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of Accord's foot in the final drive away from beating
that Michigan team that went on to win the national
championship in their own house. So you know, you're you're
talking about very fine margins here. So if you have some,
you know, if something changes just a little bit in
one of the previous years, that probably does sling some things.
So there you go. But no, no, they are not
going to They are the only people in college sports
(19:03):
that are not going to be suing someone. Nikkelin from
at Perry Elias zero eight four four eight. How will
Brian Heartline fair at offensive coordinator? Will they allow Julian
Saying to pick up three yards?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
If they don't, then they're crazy. But in terms of
how Brian Hartline will fare at OC, let's keep in
mind that he's coordinated, he's not called plays. But if
you were ever to get your first full time like
opportunity to call plays, there's no better opportunity. There's no
(19:39):
better situation than what Brian Hartline has here other than
the fact that he's got an unknown quarterback. If you
had a more proven quarterback, then there'd be no reason
that you shouldn't be successful. Because he's learned from Ryan
Day and Chip Kelly, two of the best play callers
in college football history, or at least, if you want
to say the last twenty years, two of the best.
(20:01):
He's got all kinds of skill talent to get the
ball too, to make his quarterback happy. So that reason alone,
and he's got a good understanding of the passing game.
Right day said, you know, he's going to continue to
work on his understanding or his feel for the running game,
but everything is set up for him to succeed, and
(20:22):
so I would expect him to do so. But that's
putting quite an assumption on the quarterback as well. But
again we should assume a quarterback in Ohio State is
going to succeed for all of the same reasons. All
of the people around him, coaching around him, the players
around him, and in terms of picking up three yards,
(20:42):
I'm expecting if if Jeremiah Smith is lined up and
there's so many twelve yards off of him, just throw
it to him, you know, those sorts of things. Just
get it right to him, and some short yards stuff
to to get the quarterback feeling well, feeling good, like
you know when you're in a shooting slop. If you
can get some free throws, you know, that sort of thing,
(21:05):
and just build up some confidence. So I think they're
going to look for ways to make things as easy
as possible. For Julian saying this season.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Well, and the pickup free yards thing, I wondered if
that was Julian saying scrambling, Hey, no one's open, just
go ahead and run for you know, run for five
yards and slide and do that. That's that's how I
interpreted that piece of the question. But you're right. I mean,
if if something's open, they're gonna take the free open thing.
Because if you're gonna play twelve yards off Jeremiah Smith
(21:33):
and Ohio State doesn't take advantage of that, guess what,
you're just inviting them to continue playing twelve yards off
of him. And you have to you have to take
what they're giving you to a certain degree. And you know,
if they if they keep doing that and you're picking
up three yards at a pop instead of eight, then
maybe then you do then you do mix it up
a little bit more. But you have to. Yeah, if
(21:54):
in that case, yeah, you're gonna take what they're giving you.
And I do think they're gonna be okay with saying
running he is not Braxton Miller. He's not Cardale, you know,
my big Cardill Jones. He's not Braxton Miller. He's not
Trell Pryor necessarily running the ball. But he can get
out there and he can pick up yards with his legs.
Much more of a much better runner than Kyle McCord,
(22:16):
I would say, probably better runner than like Dwayne Haskins.
Probably better runner than a C. J. Stroud was for
you know, most of his career, just because you know,
he just didn't run. Not that he couldn't run, he
just didn't run. I think you've got a quarterback room
where there's probably not an enormous drop off from QB
one to QB two. This is not the Justin Fields
(22:38):
to Chris chugganof kind of year. This is a year
where you've got a couple of guys who I think
they're feeling decent about and so that means you're maybe
a little more willing to run. And if someone get
you know, if you get banged up a little bit
and you need to come out for a drive or two,
you're probably okay with if it is Julian Say, and
then you put Lincoln Keenhols in and you're probably okay
with doing it. And if you know Lincoln Keenhols, you
know he can run as well to a certain degree.
(22:59):
So I think, I think, yes, you're going to see
the quarterback run. And as Tony said, yeah, you've got
Brian Hartlin is as set up to do a good
job and a farewell in his first season as a
offensive coordinator, as just about as a play caller as
just about anyone all the stuff that you mentioned. You mentioned,
you know, figuring out the run game. They do have
(23:20):
Tyler Bowen, who has called plays before. He's kind of
helping with the run game calls and the run game
coordinator role. So you really you have about as much
of a support network as you possibly can. And you
also have Ryan Day, who's going to be on the
headset and going to be hearing all of the calls
and be able to give you some feedback if he
disagrees or if you know, hey think about this, Hey
(23:40):
think about that. I know Ryan Day wants to let
Brian hartline, you know, let go of the back of
the bicycle seat and let him pedal off down the street.
But you know he is there to hold the back
of the bicycle seat if if needed at some point
or to you know, provide some feedback, Hey think about this,
or hey if they show you if you're seeing this coverage,
what thing about that you know you're gonna have. You're
(24:02):
gonna have instant feedback from a guy who is pretty
well established as one of the best in the nation
to do this.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, and they're gonna be talking constantly. So yeah, there's
gonna be plenty of feedback from Rye Day.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
All right. And speaking of having a young quarterback to
lead your offense, if the Texas quarterback was named Tim Peterson,
would he still be the favorite for the Heisman? And
would they be a preseason top three team? That's from
at Tony unders for Lisa thirteen. You know, I do
think the Manning name has done a lot of lifting
(24:33):
there for arch and I that's not to say that
he couldn't be fantastic this year. I think there's you
have seen flashes from him, but you've just seen flashes.
We've seen flashes from Julian saying. That doesn't mean that
I'm looking at Julian saying and going book your ticket
to New York right now, like maybe I mean possibly
(24:53):
and absolutely the same for arch Manning and both of
those guys, or you know, if it's Lincoln keen Hoolson
not not Julian saying they're gonna have a platform game
week one to really sort of set off a Heisman campaign.
If one of those guys puts up thirty eight points
and leads this team to win to win, like, yeah,
you're gonna immediately be at the top of the post
(25:15):
Week one Heisman boards for whoever does those kind of things.
So all that said, I go back to boy, we
watched a lot of Texas football at the end of
last year, and we sure didn't see a lot of
arch Manning. We watched what four games I think before
the Buckeyes played Texas, including their Big Tails, their SEC
(25:35):
champion SEC Championship game, and the game against Clemson and
the game against Arizona State, and I think we went
back and watched one more maybe from earlier in the year,
and you basically just saw arch Manning in, you know,
come in and run the ball kind of packages, you know,
he came in and packages like Devin Brown came in
(25:56):
in twenty twenty three where it's like, well it's fourth
and one and we need something, and when he came
in it was okay. But a lot of times they
didn't pick it up, or there was you know, miscommunication
on the snap, or there was you know, there were
you know, the play got snuffed out because it was
a pretty obvious situation where if he's coming in, this
is what they're gonna do. He's a quarterback. He came
(26:19):
in and you didn't see him throw in a lot
of those situations. Fourth and one he comes in against
Ohio State and they run the ball and Lathan Ransom
just turns him inside out and he didn't fumble, but
only by about three frames of video, like about one
tenth of a second. He didn't fumble the ball. You know,
the ball didn't come out before his knee hit. It
(26:39):
just it felt like, you know, this is we talk
all the time. They're going to tell you what they're
gonna tell you, but they're also going to show you. You know,
don't tell me, show me what you think of someone.
It didn't look like, you know, they weren't showing you
this is the guy. This guy is ready to dominate
right now. It's just that we have this other guy
who's even more amazing and Morris that it was just
kind of he was. He was not loosed like the
(27:01):
guy who was on the absolute cusp of super megastardom
last year. Doesn't mean that he couldn't have grown significantly
between the end of last year and now, but Sark,
who is known as a pretty good QB guru, was
not treating him like, this is a guy who's going
to be super megastar just two seconds after we take
(27:23):
the shrink wrap off of them. They and Quen yours
was fine last year. Quen you Weres was limited by
injury and you still didn't see a lot of arch
manning down the line. So all that to say, the
last name is probably doing a little bit of heavy
lifting right now. But if he comes into Ohio Stadium
in Week one and leads them to thirty eight points
and they win thirty eight twenty four, then yeah, congratulations,
(27:45):
he could win. The highestpan of his name was Tim
Peterson Peterson two.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Well, regarding the Tim Peterson first see Adrian Peterson's kid,
because then yet, yeah, if he is, then yes, he's
going to receive considerable hype. But he didn't throw pass
in the final seven games last year. Heading through twelve
in a couple of games before that, six against Georgia
and six against Florida after throwing seventy eight in the
first five games and nothing against Michigan in game two.
(28:11):
So when we're talking about all the games that we
watched for preparing for Texas, we also watched the play
against Michigan in week two, or watched Texas play against Michigan.
We didn't see Archs, but he threw ninety passes last year.
That's pretty good number for somebody that's going to be
a new starter. So I have no problem with Texas
having expectations. Ohio State has expectations, and nobody's you know,
(28:33):
complaining about the hype that Julian Sayan is getting, or
like people are giving Julian saying too much credit by
putting this hype on Ohio State and the favorite for
the Heisman. That's just you know, people trying to generate
bets and things like that. What I really get annoyed
at is people who are already putting them on lists
of the third best quarterback in the country or the
(28:55):
fifth best quarterback in the country. Because if you're trying
to say that you're an expert, there's nothing you've seen
to this point that would have you think that he
is the third best or the fifth best, because he's
not done enough. If you want to say this is
a projection, fine, don't tell me he's the fourth best
quarterback in a nation right now, because there's no evidence
of that. So that's that's the only part that I
(29:15):
really get annoyed at. The Heisman is a hype award
generally anyways, and Texas is going to be a top
three team with a lot of different quarterbacks, and so
is Ohio State. So I just get annoyed at the
people who already have already annointed him as one of
the best when we haven't seen it.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah. I again, I'm perfectly willing to say, ask me
again on Labor Day and I may have a different
answer for you. But I just you know, we've had
lots of big name quarterbacks that we've seen over the
years where super mega hype and then you know, five
star quarterback and then who is the kid who went
(29:54):
like USC to somewhere, to the Boise State to somewhere else.
So it was you know, Malachai Nelson or whatever. But
but you know, there there are guys like that every
single year and you haven't really seen it yet. And
you know, Kyle McCord was a five star guy. You
saw him come in against Akron in his true freshman
(30:16):
year and you know, put up some pretty nice numbers
and I'll look at that. And then he ends up
taking on the starting role a couple of years later
and it was fine, and then put up big numbers
for Syracuse. But you know, again it was fine. It
wasn't you know. He he had great games, he had
bad games. You can look at virtually any five star
quarterback and go, yeah, you can, you know, great in
(30:37):
some ways, not great in other ways, and some of
them just don't pan it out at all. And it's
just it's a little too soon to uh, you know,
fit fit arch Manning's head for the crown again, ask
ask again on on Labor Day night, and you know,
we may we may be saying, yeah, absolutely, you know,
crown him. That's one hundred percent, Like we can have
that conversation. Then let's see what it looks like on
(30:59):
the field, because you just you really haven't seen it
against really good competition on the field yet.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, I have no problem crowning somebody. So let's the
game will be here soon enough. I'm okay waiting until
it gets here to do this to do so, so
there you go listener questions. We do want to Let's know,
Fall camp starts Thursday. We will be there. We'll be there, Friday,
will be there. Saturday. We'll have shows recapping everything we
saw each day. So I think Friday it will be
(31:25):
a buck Eye tomorrow morning, then or Thursday will be
buck Eyes tomorrow morning, and then Friday and Saturday after
practice we will have buck Eye weeklies for you recap
and everything, and then we talk with Ryan Day, and
we talk with I don't know, is Ryan Day the
only person we talked to you this week. I was
excited to get the schedule and then it's gone completely
out of my brain. And then we do talk with
Ryan Day the first day, Tom have I stalled enough?
(31:48):
Have you brought up the schedule?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
We talked to Brian Day on the first day. We
talked to Brian Hartline and Matt Patricia on Friday, and
then Saturday we're on our own. We just have to
talk to each other.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
M the worst of all possibilities, so any and we
don't have to talk to each other. We can just
it'll be like very uncomfortable. You will talk and just
look at the camera. Then I will talk about something else,
just looking into the camera, and then we'll see how
it goes.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
You can find all of that at YouTube dot com,
slash Buckeyehuddle, hit the bell to be notified because we're
gonna be dropping videos and going live, and of course
you can always find us at buckehuddle dot com. So
thank you all for tuning in and we'll talk to
you guys later.
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