December 23, 2025 • 24 mins
Ohio State vs. Miami Cotton Bowl Preview & Listener Q&A | Buckeye Weekly Podcast
In this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr answer listener questions and preview the upcoming Cotton Bowl matchup between Ohio State and Miami. They discuss the challenges both teams face, including Miami's performance against Texas A&M, Ohio State's offensive line play, and the impact of various players on the outcome. They also delve into the coaching dynamics, the influence of recent recruiting events, and how these factors might shape the game strategies. The episode concludes with a Q&A session addressing fan concerns and predictions for the game.
00:00 Introduction and Greetings
00:11 Bohemian Grove and Pop Culture References
00:57 Miami vs. Texas A&M Analysis
03:09 Ohio State Offensive Line Discussion
05:54 Player Rotations and Health Updates
07:20 Concerns About Layoff and Strong Defense
10:56 Play Calling and Scheme Issues
18:30 Potential Threats from Miami
23:32 Conclusion and Viewer Engagement
In this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr answer listener questions and preview the upcoming Cotton Bowl matchup between Ohio State and Miami. They discuss the challenges both teams face, including Miami's performance against Texas A&M, Ohio State's offensive line play, and the impact of various players on the outcome. They also delve into the coaching dynamics, the influence of recent recruiting events, and how these factors might shape the game strategies. The episode concludes with a Q&A session addressing fan concerns and predictions for the game.
00:00 Introduction and Greetings
00:11 Bohemian Grove and Pop Culture References
00:57 Miami vs. Texas A&M Analysis
03:09 Ohio State Offensive Line Discussion
05:54 Player Rotations and Health Updates
07:20 Concerns About Layoff and Strong Defense
10:56 Play Calling and Scheme Issues
18:30 Potential Threats from Miami
23:32 Conclusion and Viewer Engagement
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How's it going, Tony? I know you said you wanted
to start with your thoughts on Bohemian Grove for this
show after you gave me my chance to speak about No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
No, I'm speaking on that. I do not want to.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I've seen some things, man, and I just watched one
battle after another with Leonardo DiCaprio, which is kind of
in that vein they have a make believe Bahamian grove
called the like Mary Santa America Club or whatever. It's
really bizarre and it's right that way Austin.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
They killing everybody. So no, that's all good Bohemian Grove.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Anyway, Art Belle, are you ready to start the show
about football.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Or the first we got a call her? Your call her?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Anyway, Well, Tony's waiting for that. Let's go to at
brouj said. He says Miami looked bad in several ways
against Texas A and M. Which will they fix best
or not repeat as bad against Ohio State. Think Buckeye's
offense wasn't great against Indiana, which aspects of offensive line
play will be most improved on New Year's Eve. So,
you know, Miami looking bad in several ways against Texas
(01:17):
A and M. Honestly, I think the only way I
really thought, you know, other than place kicking where they
missed three field goals with a guy who had missed
two field goals the whole rest of the season, and
Miami throwing the ball, I think both of those are
directly attributable to the wind. You know, Texas A and
M has a good defense, so it's not, you know,
not an amazing defense, but their past defense is pretty good.
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Their past rush is pretty good. Miami was able to
run the ball pretty well against Texas A and M
in a way that I'm not expecting them to probably
be able to run it quite as well against as
against Ohio State. But I think if you're looking for
where might Miami take, you know, a step forward from
how they looked against Texas A and M. You know,
I don't know how much better. Statistically it's going to
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be against the high State defense because he has state
defense better than Texas A and M. But I think,
you know, it's going to probably look better than it
did in the past game to a certain degree, but
especially in special teams. Would I would not expect Miami
to miss field goals against in the Cotton Bowl.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
No, against Texas A, and then Miami had forty nine plays. Yeah,
so they didn't have a ton of opportunity. And we
have talked about this win so much. It's like we're
talking about the Northwestern game from twenty two and people
are sick of it. But it like, well, this is
one of the reasons why Miami did not look great
against Texall And it's one of the reasons why Texas
A and them did not look great against Miami.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Thirteen total total points scored. It wasn't just because of
the defenses. I promise you it wasn't just because of
the defenses. So I would expect Miami's offense to look
like a more capable offense. And then watching that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Notre Dame game, the Miami Notre Dame game, Miami left
some points on the board because Carson Beck was not
as accurate as he could have been. He's capable of
being as accurate as he needs to be, and if
he is that against Ohio State, certainly I would expect
more than ten points.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
How many more than ten that's.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Another show entirely to the second point about the Buckeye
O wasn't great against IU, which aspects of a line
play will be more approved was to prove on New
Year's Eve. This is something we've talked a little bit about.
I'm sure you're going to talk with Ross about it
if you grossfold if you haven't already. Is that Miamise
defensive line plays the way the O higher state's offensive
line wants up to play.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yes, it's more other than the fact that their players
are better than all of states.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You're just gonna no tricks or very few tricks. We're
just gonna play mount old mono, which means hand to hand.
And when people say mono e mono top that means
hand hand hand, And it's like, no, that's not quite right.
So it's a lot of just let's up front. Let's
let's stay upfront about it, and you come after me.
And if I could beat you, great if I If
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I can't.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Then you win. And that's why I think that's one
of the differences.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Now, will it look different in terms of sacks and
all of those things where I stay give with five sacks?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But I don't know so right, And that was exactly
where I was going to go with this answer. And
you still will see Miami, you know, I think they
head at one point where Mesidor and Baine were kind
of on the same side of the field, which that
can create some weird matchup issues. I think that's that's
the single biggest difference. You know, the personnel for Miami's
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probably a little better than the personnel for Indiana upfront,
but the scheme maybe is not quite as detrimental to
Ohio State. So you know, if that just evens out,
then Ohio State only gives up five sacks, like no, no, no,
that's a winning number for Ohio State. So you know,
if you're looking for a reason for the Ohio State
offensive line to be better than they were, you could
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point to that. You could point to the fact that
after gave Van Sickle went in for Taker Shibola, the
Ohio State offensive line was better in terms of pass
pro and Taker's sh is out for this game. So
it's gonna be Gave Van Cycle or Josh Paden. We're
gonna get to that in just a minute. But you know,
that's another thing you kind of point to as maybe
that's a reason to think that there's gonna be a
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material improvement because Gave Van Sickle's going to now have
basically not quite a month, but three ish weeks of
practice with the ones, which he really hasn't had much,
so you couldn't see him take a significant step forward.
We've got a question about that on the last show.
Where could this be an Ohio State offensive one that
takes a jump like last year's last year's did If
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you're looking for a reason to think it might, that's
where you might point to.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, where as.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
We talked about the last show, Luke a Mount Gabrie
essentially coming out of nowhere to be a star war
on the offensive line, you could see that same thing
we have gave Van Sick all this time around. Certainly
these perhaps these last three games or these last one
two three games, that he's gonna have the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
To do just that next one from at Real Golden Bear,
will Josh Padia be healthy enough to rotate with Gave
Van Sickle, And well, that's an interesting question. It. Ryan
Day on Monday made it sound like that's the plan
that they're going to be sort of at least trying
both of those guys there, will you know, I don't
know that he's committing officially to rotating those guys during
the game, but it certainly is on the table in
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terms of will he be healthy enough. He was off
the availability report the last couple games of the regular
season or the Michigan game and the Big Ten Championship game,
but had been out for a while and I think
was probably just trying to get back up to game speed.
And also the other issue run that you've run into
there is that would have been three guys rotating for
one spot, and that is pretty hard to do. So
last year they were rotating three guards, but it was
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between the two different guard spots. This year it would
have just been at the right guard spot. So I
think you give Josh Padilla another three weeks here, then
he probably is up to game speed and is probably
ready to go potentially. So I would say that I
would expect, you know, both of them, in terms of
like over under one point five of them taking a
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snap at right guard. I'm probably taking the over on that, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
But it wouldn't shock me.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
If things are going well, you just stick with Gabe
Van Sickle and just let it ride, but I'm expecting
both to play. But again that depends on as Josh
Prettiest shown to hate deserves to play, and that's that
will be the deciding factor and whether or not he's
actually out there.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I know it's crazy to say.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Next time, Matt Saint Easy, are you concerned about how
long the wait time for the Buckeyes have been and
then to go against such a strong defense. So presumably
the layoff between the Big Ten Championship game and the
first round of the quarter finals of the College Football Playoff,
the weight's not any longer than it was last year. Really,
it's you know, probably three days longer or something like that.
So it's not this is not because they played in
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the Big Ten Championship game this year, which they didn't
last year, So you're seven days closer on that end,
and it's what ten days earlier or eleven days earlier,
whatever it was on the other end. So it's kind
of comes out in the wash, you know, to go
against such a strong defense, Yeah, absolutely, I think that's
that would be much more my concern out of this
question than layoff. But also, they just faced a really
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strong defense that's not the same We just talked about
some of the differences up front, but in terms of
just talent, in terms of the secondary, in terms of
the defensive line, you know, Indiana's line, I would probably
take Miami at the defensive line. I would probably take
Indiana at linebacker. Secondary maybe Miami. I mean, it's it's close.
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These are comparable defenses for sure. You just had a
chance to sort of get stress tested against Indiana and
then you've got three weeks to go back to the
drawing board. So this is not a bad time in
terms of Okay, you know it didn't work the last time.
Having a little bit of extra time right now to
really sort of strip it down to the studs and
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be able to figure out some new things and different things.
I'm expecting a different probably approach and some different ideas
in terms of the high sted offense based at you know,
compared to what we've seen before. And as we said
earlier on earlier in the week, you know, this is
not Brian Hartline calling the places wore's Ryan Day calling plays,
which the offense itself is not going to be completely different.
(09:05):
This is not a totally different thing. What you're going
to have a different guy calling plays it's the plays
they're all coming with up with together during the week.
So this is again not going to be a completely
different thing, but you're going to have maybe a little
bit of a different approach, a little bit of a
different mindset at times with that. And you know, Ryan
Day would sometimes overrule or you know, was in a
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position to overrule. Nobody's overruling Ryan Day. It is you know,
Ryan Day is the guy who's making the decision, and
there's not anyone who outranks him. So let's Ross Buyorke
gets on the headset and I'm not expecting that. So yeah,
I think it's going to be different, but it's not
too different.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
No, And the other thing to keep in mind.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
One other thing to keep in mind card Dell Tay
Jeremiah Smith, full go practicing. You it's been a while
since they've both been fully held or as healthy as
they are now.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And they're only going to continue to get healthier. Jeremi H.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Smith talked about he was banged up for the UCLA game,
so iously just played you see Rutgers Michigan Indiana without
him being as close to one hundred percent as he
is now and having that practice time is only going
to help. And then in terms of the layoff, how
does it impact them? Tom, last year Ohio State with
that three week impact, it took the five plays to
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score a touchdown, and then on the next time, I
took them another five plays to score a touchdown. And
then I think fatigue said it because on their third
drive it took seven plays. So while there wasn't as
much rust specifically, five plays come on and then clearly
they got tired. It's like, this is your third possession
of the first quarter, seven plays.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Seventeen offensive snaps. I'm going to take the under on
twenty and a half points for Ohio State in this one.
I might take the under on twenty and a half
points for Ohio State through three and a half quarters
in this one. But yeah, it's that I would not
necessarily be super concerned about. Next on from at a
Wiley X three inn Ohio State fix this offense against
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an elite defense with its coordinator slash play caller, slash
wide receiver coach at Tampa Bay Buccaneers the Buccaneer games
and actively recruiting OSU commits. So first of all, yeah,
and this is and This question came in before we
got the official answer from Ryan Day in terms of
what the plan was for play calling. Brian Hartline not
gonna be calling plays. Ryan Day will be calling plays.
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You know, I think that you got to this is
this is all words you've heard me say at various
times over the last week or so. This is not
the Brian Heartline offense. This is the Ryan Day offense.
So this is, you know, the Ryan Day offense. And
they're gonna have you know, even while Brian Hartline was
out of town, and Billy Fessler was still there, Keenan
Bailey was still there, Tyler Bowen was still there. You
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got all sorts of analysts, you got all throw of them,
everyone there, So you know, and you have Ryan Day there,
and that's probably the single most important piece here. I
think they have. They have had the opportunity to learn
from what worked and what didn't earlier in the year.
You're going to see them come out with a little
bit of a different approach. And you know, I don't
I don't think that Brian Hartline not being the one
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who's calling the plays in is going to make a
big difference, because this was this was never you know,
the super secret offensive genius Brian Hartline. Like Brian Hartlin
has been very very good at what he does at
Ohio State. I don't want to slight Brian Hartline, but
he also this is not, you know, the super secret
thing that only Brian Hartline can decode. This is not
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the Jim Knowles defense. This is, you know, this is
the Ryan Day offense. Ryan Day has had the master
key to the Ryan Day offense as long as Ryan
Day has been at Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah. And again it's when we talk about play calling.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
These are plays that everybody has agreed on, and it's
the scheme that has been the issue, not not necessarily
the play calling, because if you agree and everybody thinks
these are going to be the plays that work, then
the scheme is the issue. And because if the players
aren't working, then it's not you can't just blame the plays.
It's well, why aren't they working? Is it because of
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the four tight ends? On second? I don't know, I
don't know. Yeah, but that's that's the sort of situation.
Are you letting the defense or are you giving the
defense something that they want?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Because if you're doing that.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Then again that's a scheme issue, and then the play
calling is just just part of that, and it's it's
you you move. Brian Harlan is out of the play calling,
but everybody's still involved in what is our best plan?
What proach lock? What are your running backs like best, Brian?
What do your receivers like best? Cadd what are the
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tight ends like best? And finding out how all of
those mesh against a What does Miami not like?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
What?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
What?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
What does Miami struggle against? So it's all of these
moving parts. It's not just I know what I'm calling,
I'm going to call these plays. It's like putting all
of this together where everybody has their own portion of the.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Puzzle and then you've got to get it all to
go together.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And I think, you know, against Indiana, there was some
puzzle pieces missing and it's like, yeah, left of your feet, Yeah,
just look around, where's the where's we're missing some puzzle pieces?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, I think that that Indiana week. The Heartline news
broke on Wednesday, Wednesday morning, right before Chris Henry was
supposed to sign with Ohio State, So then you kind
of had the middle to late portion of that Wednesday
afternoon practices. Maybe the most important practice at Ohio State.
It's really Tuesday and Wednesday every week, the most important,
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most physical practices of the week. So then you had
Wednesday's practice where everyone's running around with their hair on
fire because you're trying to get Chris Henry back, you know,
making sure that Chris Henry does sign with Ohio State,
and that your Quaden Guildford signs with Ohio State, and
that really kind of pulled and Brian Hartwine it starts
to has to start thinking about his his USF piece
of the puzzle, and so you have a bunch of
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other stuff going on that you know, Ryan Day said
earlier in the week, you know, we're not going to
make excuses, but I think it's pretty obvious that if
you're trying to if you're spending much of time trying
to figure out nil or you know, playing time or
whatever the conversations are, that's all time you're not spending
watching film, putting up a game, you know, in game
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plan meetings, whatever it is. So now that that's behind you,
that probably makes them better for this because now you're
not dealing with that stuff. Now you've and you also
have an extended period where they've been able to kind
of sit down and have some big picture conversations while
Miami was playing planning for Texas A and M, and
then they've probably also been able to put together I'm
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sure they have a great game plan for Texas A
and M that will never see the light of day,
but you know they they have had time to put
stuff together and get a little bit of a head
start on that.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
The children did, like the third world countries will get
get those game plans.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yes, the Ohio State, Texas A and M Cotton Bowl
shirts will be a big hit wherever they wherever they
end up.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But in terms of the the what Ryan Day had
to go through he was asked about that, as you said,
his answer is, well, yeah, we're not in the business
of making excuses or anything like that. We just didn't
get the job done, so we need to do a
better job of that and certainly finishing off drives and
that's it. We didn't established around well enough, took too
many sacks, and didn't play good situationally, and that's everything
that Schematically, there were some really good things. There's some
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things that weren't really good. There were some really good executions,
some bad execution you look at it. It wasn't all just
one thing. It was everything altogether, and we got to
be tighter than that in order to win these games
and certainly beat Miami. That's all true, but so is
that was a terrible just a terrible confluence of timing
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and situations. But that's the calendar. Ryan Daeffen says, Well,
everybody has to deal with it, and it's safe for everybody,
except it's not.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's like, this is what everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Like in theory, this is what everybody has to deal with,
but it wasn't what Indiana had to deal with it.
And certainly they made better use of their time than
Ohio State. But I think they had more time for
football than Ohio State did because we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Recruits and coaches. Who knows what players are asking for
at this point.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
If you know, things like that are going along, like
you know, we've got to make sure we could resign
Carson Pinsman. That's just an example, like how much of
that is going during this time as well?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Right, And you know, I think you can look at
the was it the Citrus Bowl, that's Texas and Michigan.
You know, this is very different situations. But Texas is
coming in off of a win over Texas A and M.
And yeah, they didn't make the College Football Playoff, but
they're coming in off of winf over Texas A and M.
And their coaching staff is I think entirely staying intact
or close to it. And Michigan is preparing for the
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same game and doesn't have a head coach and their
interim head coach wants the head coaching job, but is
he going to get it? I don't know. And there's
constantly rumors, and it's like, and you're dealing with all
that crap is going to Busisroc is going to Missouri,
and you're dealing with all that stuff, and you're also
trying to prepare for this game. And it's like, I
can tell you if I was going to do a
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boll pick them, I can tell you who I would
probably pick them in that game. And it is not Michigan.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
So I picked Alabama last year against Michigan. How did
I do?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well? Yeah, it was Michigan in exactly the same circumstance. Well,
we're out of time anyway. Uh, let's get to this
last one from at PBJ mixtape. Miami fans. This is
a question from one of our reviewers. This is not us.
So there you go. I can't wait for this to
get clipped. And so again the question from a reviewer,
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in what world should Ohio State be worried?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Tony?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Again the question from reviewer be worried about this Miami team?
So in what world should Ohio State be worried about
this Miami team? You know, I think it's the world
in which you and I looked at the Miami Texas
ANAM matchup and went, I'm picking Miami. Both of us
went I'm picking Miami and didn't have to think about
it particularly hard. And I look at some of the
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stuff that Miami can do. You know, they have playmakers
who can make a play, you know, at Malachai Tony
can just they can just push the Malachi Tony do
something cool button and make something happen. I'm expecting a
relatively low scoring game. The secondary from Miami is pretty good.
The defensive front from Miami is very good. The the
you know, they have the players to get a pass
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rush off the edge against Julian sand which you know,
I think they can do stuff. It's in a little
bit of a different way, but I think they can
do a lot of the same stuff that Indiana did
against Ohio State. I think the personnel from Miami in
spots is better than the personnel from Indiana. Not everywhere,
but in spots, I think the personnel is better. And
I think if Miami can drag Ohio State into that
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type of game thirteen ten seventeen thirteen kind of game,
Miami can win that game. Now, there's no guarantee they
can drag them into that kind of game. And if
Ohio State scores two touchdowns in the first half, I
think Miami might not have a real good time with things.
But if Miami can keep it close and can you know,
can have this be a seven to seven, six y
three whatever game at halftime, this is a game that
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Miami can win.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Percent is Julian saying throwing an early interception as he's
doing a late interception. He's thrown interceptions in two consecutive games.
It's not a lot, but you're you're seeing then you
can't give short fields when you have a higher states defense,
Like the worst thing you can do is give the
opponent a short field and do half the job for them.
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And yet also you don't want to be so conservative
that you're not attacking. And if you've got everybody healthy, boy,
I'm sure I'm glad we got Jeremiah Smith and Carne
will take it healthy. What should we do that's run
on first and second down?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
How's that sound? That's not what you want?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So there's gonna be a level of aggression that you
still need to have there. But there are so many
players on the Miami's team that could play for Ohio
State and you can, you can you know, switch teams
that it wouldn't look all that different in terms of
a lot of the talent.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Now High States receivers.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
At the top, they're better, you know, but then we
know Ohio State's depth.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
That receiver gets questioned.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Tom, maybe maybe we should do a tale of the
tape at some point. Who has the quarterback advantage in
this game?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Isn't that a fascinating question? We're out of time? Yeah,
that feels like that needs to be a show that
we do at some point down in Texas.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, yeah, well what we could do because we'll get
access to the players, we can ask Julian Saley, Carson
Beckbo that question.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Who has the advantage? But yeah, what worldshould Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You can be concerned or whatever, it's this world because
you just saw Ohio State lose to a i'm gonna say,
less talented team than.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Miami, less talented, better coached.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yes, So that's why you need to be concerned. And
until Ohio State is scoring thirty points twenty seven points
frankly once, until the offense is looking like the offense
that people expect from a ride day offense that isn't
just you know, trying to grind it out or run
the clock out, until you're trying to score thirty some
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points like here, you leave yourself open to your possibility.
Because Miami's got the special teams. Malachay Tony can score
on special teams.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's not just about defending him on offense. He can.
He can be the difference of the special teams as well.
And we saw in the.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Notre Dame game Miami had a long long as kickoff
return as well. So they've got all kinds of athletes
that can do those sorts of things and make one
guy miss and go. So that's another reason why I
think you need to confern Carson Beck has done it all,
He's seen everything, but everybody has seen everything from him
as well.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
It's still he has got the capability. I just I wouldn't.
I'm not super concerned about him. But he's got all
of the capability you need. It is at his best
to beat.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Ohio State, right. I would be pretty surprised if you
saw twenty for twenty five for three hundred yards and
you know, three touchdowns and no picks at a Carson Back.
I mean possible. As you said, you know you've seen
it all out of Carson Back. And that's true. You've
seen it all out of Carson Beck. Brackets positive, you've
seen it all out of Carson Beck. Bracket's negative, it's
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you have seen it all out of Carson Beck. And
I mean this year, you go through games and it's like, yeah,
he has had phenomenal games. He could like eight touchdowns
no interceptions over the last four weeks of the season,
whatever it was. He had four interceptions of one game
against Louisville. Like the error bars on what a Carson
Back game could look like are pretty big.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yep. So there you go. I think we have wrapped
up this session of listening to questions.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
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Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How's it going, Tony? I know you said you wanted
to start with your thoughts on Bohemian Grove for this
show after you gave me my chance to speak about No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
No, I'm speaking on that. I do not want to.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I've seen some things, man, and I just watched one
battle after another with Leonardo DiCaprio, which is kind of
in that vein they have a make believe Bahamian grove
called the like Mary Santa America Club or whatever. It's
really bizarre and it's right that way Austin.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
They killing everybody. So no, that's all good Bohemian Grove.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Anyway, Art Belle, are you ready to start the show
about football.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Or the first we got a call her? Your call her?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Anyway, Well, Tony's waiting for that. Let's go to at
brouj said. He says Miami looked bad in several ways
against Texas A and M. Which will they fix best
or not repeat as bad against Ohio State. Think Buckeye's
offense wasn't great against Indiana, which aspects of offensive line
play will be most improved on New Year's Eve. So,
you know, Miami looking bad in several ways against Texas
(01:17):
A and M. Honestly, I think the only way I
really thought, you know, other than place kicking where they
missed three field goals with a guy who had missed
two field goals the whole rest of the season, and
Miami throwing the ball, I think both of those are
directly attributable to the wind. You know, Texas A and
M has a good defense, so it's not, you know,
not an amazing defense, but their past defense is pretty good.
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Their past rush is pretty good. Miami was able to
run the ball pretty well against Texas A and M
in a way that I'm not expecting them to probably
be able to run it quite as well against as
against Ohio State. But I think if you're looking for
where might Miami take, you know, a step forward from
how they looked against Texas A and M. You know,
I don't know how much better. Statistically it's going to
(01:59):
be against the high State defense because he has state
defense better than Texas A and M. But I think,
you know, it's going to probably look better than it
did in the past game to a certain degree, but
especially in special teams. Would I would not expect Miami
to miss field goals against in the Cotton Bowl.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
No, against Texas A, and then Miami had forty nine plays. Yeah,
so they didn't have a ton of opportunity. And we
have talked about this win so much. It's like we're
talking about the Northwestern game from twenty two and people
are sick of it. But it like, well, this is
one of the reasons why Miami did not look great
against Texall And it's one of the reasons why Texas
A and them did not look great against Miami.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Thirteen total total points scored. It wasn't just because of
the defenses. I promise you it wasn't just because of
the defenses. So I would expect Miami's offense to look
like a more capable offense. And then watching that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Notre Dame game, the Miami Notre Dame game, Miami left
some points on the board because Carson Beck was not
as accurate as he could have been. He's capable of
being as accurate as he needs to be, and if
he is that against Ohio State, certainly I would expect
more than ten points.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
How many more than ten that's.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Another show entirely to the second point about the Buckeye
O wasn't great against IU, which aspects of a line
play will be more approved was to prove on New
Year's Eve. This is something we've talked a little bit about.
I'm sure you're going to talk with Ross about it
if you grossfold if you haven't already. Is that Miamise
defensive line plays the way the O higher state's offensive
line wants up to play.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yes, it's more other than the fact that their players
are better than all of states.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You're just gonna no tricks or very few tricks. We're
just gonna play mount old mono, which means hand to hand.
And when people say mono e mono top that means
hand hand hand, And it's like, no, that's not quite right.
So it's a lot of just let's up front. Let's
let's stay upfront about it, and you come after me.
And if I could beat you, great if I If
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I can't.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Then you win. And that's why I think that's one
of the differences.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Now, will it look different in terms of sacks and
all of those things where I stay give with five sacks?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But I don't know so right, And that was exactly
where I was going to go with this answer. And
you still will see Miami, you know, I think they
head at one point where Mesidor and Baine were kind
of on the same side of the field, which that
can create some weird matchup issues. I think that's that's
the single biggest difference. You know, the personnel for Miami's
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probably a little better than the personnel for Indiana upfront,
but the scheme maybe is not quite as detrimental to
Ohio State. So you know, if that just evens out,
then Ohio State only gives up five sacks, like no, no, no,
that's a winning number for Ohio State. So you know,
if you're looking for a reason for the Ohio State
offensive line to be better than they were, you could
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point to that. You could point to the fact that
after gave Van Sickle went in for Taker Shibola, the
Ohio State offensive line was better in terms of pass
pro and Taker's sh is out for this game. So
it's gonna be Gave Van Cycle or Josh Paden. We're
gonna get to that in just a minute. But you know,
that's another thing you kind of point to as maybe
that's a reason to think that there's gonna be a
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material improvement because Gave Van Sickle's going to now have
basically not quite a month, but three ish weeks of
practice with the ones, which he really hasn't had much,
so you couldn't see him take a significant step forward.
We've got a question about that on the last show.
Where could this be an Ohio State offensive one that
takes a jump like last year's last year's did If
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you're looking for a reason to think it might, that's
where you might point to.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, where as.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
We talked about the last show, Luke a Mount Gabrie
essentially coming out of nowhere to be a star war
on the offensive line, you could see that same thing
we have gave Van Sick all this time around. Certainly
these perhaps these last three games or these last one
two three games, that he's gonna have the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
To do just that next one from at Real Golden Bear,
will Josh Padia be healthy enough to rotate with Gave
Van Sickle, And well, that's an interesting question. It. Ryan
Day on Monday made it sound like that's the plan
that they're going to be sort of at least trying
both of those guys there, will you know, I don't
know that he's committing officially to rotating those guys during
the game, but it certainly is on the table in
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terms of will he be healthy enough. He was off
the availability report the last couple games of the regular
season or the Michigan game and the Big Ten Championship game,
but had been out for a while and I think
was probably just trying to get back up to game speed.
And also the other issue run that you've run into
there is that would have been three guys rotating for
one spot, and that is pretty hard to do. So
last year they were rotating three guards, but it was
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between the two different guard spots. This year it would
have just been at the right guard spot. So I
think you give Josh Padilla another three weeks here, then
he probably is up to game speed and is probably
ready to go potentially. So I would say that I
would expect, you know, both of them, in terms of
like over under one point five of them taking a
(06:58):
snap at right guard. I'm probably taking the over on that, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
But it wouldn't shock me.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
If things are going well, you just stick with Gabe
Van Sickle and just let it ride, but I'm expecting
both to play. But again that depends on as Josh
Prettiest shown to hate deserves to play, and that's that
will be the deciding factor and whether or not he's
actually out there.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I know it's crazy to say.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Next time, Matt Saint Easy, are you concerned about how
long the wait time for the Buckeyes have been and
then to go against such a strong defense. So presumably
the layoff between the Big Ten Championship game and the
first round of the quarter finals of the College Football Playoff,
the weight's not any longer than it was last year. Really,
it's you know, probably three days longer or something like that.
So it's not this is not because they played in
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the Big Ten Championship game this year, which they didn't
last year, So you're seven days closer on that end,
and it's what ten days earlier or eleven days earlier,
whatever it was on the other end. So it's kind
of comes out in the wash, you know, to go
against such a strong defense, Yeah, absolutely, I think that's
that would be much more my concern out of this
question than layoff. But also, they just faced a really
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strong defense that's not the same We just talked about
some of the differences up front, but in terms of
just talent, in terms of the secondary, in terms of
the defensive line, you know, Indiana's line, I would probably
take Miami at the defensive line. I would probably take
Indiana at linebacker. Secondary maybe Miami. I mean, it's it's close.
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These are comparable defenses for sure. You just had a
chance to sort of get stress tested against Indiana and
then you've got three weeks to go back to the
drawing board. So this is not a bad time in
terms of Okay, you know it didn't work the last time.
Having a little bit of extra time right now to
really sort of strip it down to the studs and
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be able to figure out some new things and different things.
I'm expecting a different probably approach and some different ideas
in terms of the high sted offense based at you know,
compared to what we've seen before. And as we said
earlier on earlier in the week, you know, this is
not Brian Hartline calling the places wore's Ryan Day calling plays,
which the offense itself is not going to be completely different.
(09:05):
This is not a totally different thing. What you're going
to have a different guy calling plays it's the plays
they're all coming with up with together during the week.
So this is again not going to be a completely
different thing, but you're going to have maybe a little
bit of a different approach, a little bit of a
different mindset at times with that. And you know, Ryan
Day would sometimes overrule or you know, was in a
(09:25):
position to overrule. Nobody's overruling Ryan Day. It is you know,
Ryan Day is the guy who's making the decision, and
there's not anyone who outranks him. So let's Ross Buyorke
gets on the headset and I'm not expecting that. So yeah,
I think it's going to be different, but it's not
too different.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
No, And the other thing to keep in mind.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
One other thing to keep in mind card Dell Tay
Jeremiah Smith, full go practicing. You it's been a while
since they've both been fully held or as healthy as
they are now.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And they're only going to continue to get healthier. Jeremi H.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Smith talked about he was banged up for the UCLA game,
so iously just played you see Rutgers Michigan Indiana without
him being as close to one hundred percent as he
is now and having that practice time is only going
to help. And then in terms of the layoff, how
does it impact them? Tom, last year Ohio State with
that three week impact, it took the five plays to
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score a touchdown, and then on the next time, I
took them another five plays to score a touchdown. And
then I think fatigue said it because on their third
drive it took seven plays. So while there wasn't as
much rust specifically, five plays come on and then clearly
they got tired. It's like, this is your third possession
of the first quarter, seven plays.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Seventeen offensive snaps. I'm going to take the under on
twenty and a half points for Ohio State in this one.
I might take the under on twenty and a half
points for Ohio State through three and a half quarters
in this one. But yeah, it's that I would not
necessarily be super concerned about. Next on from at a
Wiley X three inn Ohio State fix this offense against
(10:58):
an elite defense with its coordinator slash play caller, slash
wide receiver coach at Tampa Bay Buccaneers the Buccaneer games
and actively recruiting OSU commits. So first of all, yeah,
and this is and This question came in before we
got the official answer from Ryan Day in terms of
what the plan was for play calling. Brian Hartline not
gonna be calling plays. Ryan Day will be calling plays.
(11:18):
You know, I think that you got to this is
this is all words you've heard me say at various
times over the last week or so. This is not
the Brian Heartline offense. This is the Ryan Day offense.
So this is, you know, the Ryan Day offense. And
they're gonna have you know, even while Brian Hartline was
out of town, and Billy Fessler was still there, Keenan
Bailey was still there, Tyler Bowen was still there. You
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got all sorts of analysts, you got all throw of them,
everyone there, So you know, and you have Ryan Day there,
and that's probably the single most important piece here. I
think they have. They have had the opportunity to learn
from what worked and what didn't earlier in the year.
You're going to see them come out with a little
bit of a different approach. And you know, I don't
I don't think that Brian Hartline not being the one
(12:02):
who's calling the plays in is going to make a
big difference, because this was this was never you know,
the super secret offensive genius Brian Hartline. Like Brian Hartlin
has been very very good at what he does at
Ohio State. I don't want to slight Brian Hartline, but
he also this is not, you know, the super secret
thing that only Brian Hartline can decode. This is not
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the Jim Knowles defense. This is, you know, this is
the Ryan Day offense. Ryan Day has had the master
key to the Ryan Day offense as long as Ryan
Day has been at Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah. And again it's when we talk about play calling.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
These are plays that everybody has agreed on, and it's
the scheme that has been the issue, not not necessarily
the play calling, because if you agree and everybody thinks
these are going to be the plays that work, then
the scheme is the issue. And because if the players
aren't working, then it's not you can't just blame the plays.
It's well, why aren't they working? Is it because of
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the four tight ends? On second? I don't know, I
don't know. Yeah, but that's that's the sort of situation.
Are you letting the defense or are you giving the
defense something that they want?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Because if you're doing that.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Then again that's a scheme issue, and then the play
calling is just just part of that, and it's it's
you you move. Brian Harlan is out of the play calling,
but everybody's still involved in what is our best plan?
What proach lock? What are your running backs like best, Brian?
What do your receivers like best? Cadd what are the
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tight ends like best? And finding out how all of
those mesh against a What does Miami not like?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
What?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
What?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
What does Miami struggle against? So it's all of these
moving parts. It's not just I know what I'm calling,
I'm going to call these plays. It's like putting all
of this together where everybody has their own portion of the.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Puzzle and then you've got to get it all to
go together.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And I think, you know, against Indiana, there was some
puzzle pieces missing and it's like, yeah, left of your feet, Yeah,
just look around, where's the where's we're missing some puzzle pieces?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, I think that that Indiana week. The Heartline news
broke on Wednesday, Wednesday morning, right before Chris Henry was
supposed to sign with Ohio State, So then you kind
of had the middle to late portion of that Wednesday
afternoon practices. Maybe the most important practice at Ohio State.
It's really Tuesday and Wednesday every week, the most important,
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most physical practices of the week. So then you had
Wednesday's practice where everyone's running around with their hair on
fire because you're trying to get Chris Henry back, you know,
making sure that Chris Henry does sign with Ohio State,
and that your Quaden Guildford signs with Ohio State, and
that really kind of pulled and Brian Hartwine it starts
to has to start thinking about his his USF piece
of the puzzle, and so you have a bunch of
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other stuff going on that you know, Ryan Day said
earlier in the week, you know, we're not going to
make excuses, but I think it's pretty obvious that if
you're trying to if you're spending much of time trying
to figure out nil or you know, playing time or
whatever the conversations are, that's all time you're not spending
watching film, putting up a game, you know, in game
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plan meetings, whatever it is. So now that that's behind you,
that probably makes them better for this because now you're
not dealing with that stuff. Now you've and you also
have an extended period where they've been able to kind
of sit down and have some big picture conversations while
Miami was playing planning for Texas A and M, and
then they've probably also been able to put together I'm
(15:33):
sure they have a great game plan for Texas A
and M that will never see the light of day,
but you know they they have had time to put
stuff together and get a little bit of a head
start on that.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
The children did, like the third world countries will get
get those game plans.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yes, the Ohio State, Texas A and M Cotton Bowl
shirts will be a big hit wherever they wherever they
end up.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But in terms of the the what Ryan Day had
to go through he was asked about that, as you said,
his answer is, well, yeah, we're not in the business
of making excuses or anything like that. We just didn't
get the job done, so we need to do a
better job of that and certainly finishing off drives and
that's it. We didn't established around well enough, took too
many sacks, and didn't play good situationally, and that's everything
that Schematically, there were some really good things. There's some
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things that weren't really good. There were some really good executions,
some bad execution you look at it. It wasn't all just
one thing. It was everything altogether, and we got to
be tighter than that in order to win these games
and certainly beat Miami. That's all true, but so is
that was a terrible just a terrible confluence of timing
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and situations. But that's the calendar. Ryan Daeffen says, Well,
everybody has to deal with it, and it's safe for everybody,
except it's not.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's like, this is what everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Like in theory, this is what everybody has to deal with,
but it wasn't what Indiana had to deal with it.
And certainly they made better use of their time than
Ohio State. But I think they had more time for
football than Ohio State did because we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Recruits and coaches. Who knows what players are asking for
at this point.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
If you know, things like that are going along, like
you know, we've got to make sure we could resign
Carson Pinsman. That's just an example, like how much of
that is going during this time as well?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Right, And you know, I think you can look at
the was it the Citrus Bowl, that's Texas and Michigan.
You know, this is very different situations. But Texas is
coming in off of a win over Texas A and M.
And yeah, they didn't make the College Football Playoff, but
they're coming in off of winf over Texas A and M.
And their coaching staff is I think entirely staying intact
or close to it. And Michigan is preparing for the
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same game and doesn't have a head coach and their
interim head coach wants the head coaching job, but is
he going to get it? I don't know. And there's
constantly rumors, and it's like, and you're dealing with all
that crap is going to Busisroc is going to Missouri,
and you're dealing with all that stuff, and you're also
trying to prepare for this game. And it's like, I
can tell you if I was going to do a
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boll pick them, I can tell you who I would
probably pick them in that game. And it is not Michigan.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
So I picked Alabama last year against Michigan. How did
I do?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well? Yeah, it was Michigan in exactly the same circumstance. Well,
we're out of time anyway. Uh, let's get to this
last one from at PBJ mixtape. Miami fans. This is
a question from one of our reviewers. This is not us.
So there you go. I can't wait for this to
get clipped. And so again the question from a reviewer,
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in what world should Ohio State be worried?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Tony?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Again the question from reviewer be worried about this Miami team?
So in what world should Ohio State be worried about
this Miami team? You know, I think it's the world
in which you and I looked at the Miami Texas
ANAM matchup and went, I'm picking Miami. Both of us
went I'm picking Miami and didn't have to think about
it particularly hard. And I look at some of the
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stuff that Miami can do. You know, they have playmakers
who can make a play, you know, at Malachai Tony
can just they can just push the Malachi Tony do
something cool button and make something happen. I'm expecting a
relatively low scoring game. The secondary from Miami is pretty good.
The defensive front from Miami is very good. The the
you know, they have the players to get a pass
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rush off the edge against Julian sand which you know,
I think they can do stuff. It's in a little
bit of a different way, but I think they can
do a lot of the same stuff that Indiana did
against Ohio State. I think the personnel from Miami in
spots is better than the personnel from Indiana. Not everywhere,
but in spots, I think the personnel is better. And
I think if Miami can drag Ohio State into that
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type of game thirteen ten seventeen thirteen kind of game,
Miami can win that game. Now, there's no guarantee they
can drag them into that kind of game. And if
Ohio State scores two touchdowns in the first half, I
think Miami might not have a real good time with things.
But if Miami can keep it close and can you know,
can have this be a seven to seven, six y
three whatever game at halftime, this is a game that
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Miami can win.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Percent is Julian saying throwing an early interception as he's
doing a late interception. He's thrown interceptions in two consecutive games.
It's not a lot, but you're you're seeing then you
can't give short fields when you have a higher states defense,
Like the worst thing you can do is give the
opponent a short field and do half the job for them.
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And yet also you don't want to be so conservative
that you're not attacking. And if you've got everybody healthy, boy,
I'm sure I'm glad we got Jeremiah Smith and Carne
will take it healthy. What should we do that's run
on first and second down?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
How's that sound? That's not what you want?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So there's gonna be a level of aggression that you
still need to have there. But there are so many
players on the Miami's team that could play for Ohio
State and you can, you can you know, switch teams
that it wouldn't look all that different in terms of
a lot of the talent.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Now High States receivers.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
At the top, they're better, you know, but then we
know Ohio State's depth.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
That receiver gets questioned.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Tom, maybe maybe we should do a tale of the
tape at some point. Who has the quarterback advantage in
this game?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Isn't that a fascinating question? We're out of time? Yeah,
that feels like that needs to be a show that
we do at some point down in Texas.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, yeah, well what we could do because we'll get
access to the players, we can ask Julian Saley, Carson
Beckbo that question.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Who has the advantage? But yeah, what worldshould Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You can be concerned or whatever, it's this world because
you just saw Ohio State lose to a i'm gonna say,
less talented team than.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Miami, less talented, better coached.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yes, So that's why you need to be concerned. And
until Ohio State is scoring thirty points twenty seven points
frankly once, until the offense is looking like the offense
that people expect from a ride day offense that isn't
just you know, trying to grind it out or run
the clock out, until you're trying to score thirty some
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points like here, you leave yourself open to your possibility.
Because Miami's got the special teams. Malachay Tony can score
on special teams.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's not just about defending him on offense. He can.
He can be the difference of the special teams as well.
And we saw in the.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Notre Dame game Miami had a long long as kickoff
return as well. So they've got all kinds of athletes
that can do those sorts of things and make one
guy miss and go. So that's another reason why I
think you need to confern Carson Beck has done it all,
He's seen everything, but everybody has seen everything from him
as well.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
It's still he has got the capability. I just I wouldn't.
I'm not super concerned about him. But he's got all
of the capability you need. It is at his best
to beat.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Ohio State, right. I would be pretty surprised if you
saw twenty for twenty five for three hundred yards and
you know, three touchdowns and no picks at a Carson Back.
I mean possible. As you said, you know you've seen
it all out of Carson Back. And that's true. You've
seen it all out of Carson Beck. Brackets positive, you've
seen it all out of Carson Beck. Bracket's negative, it's
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you have seen it all out of Carson Beck. And
I mean this year, you go through games and it's like, yeah,
he has had phenomenal games. He could like eight touchdowns
no interceptions over the last four weeks of the season,
whatever it was. He had four interceptions of one game
against Louisville. Like the error bars on what a Carson
Back game could look like are pretty big.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yep. So there you go. I think we have wrapped
up this session of listening to questions.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
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I've got to throw this out to the Miami fans again.
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to address, like us to address regard to your team,
We'll tell you what's wrong with it, tell you what's
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