Instant Reaction From Ohio State's 24-6 Win At Washington

Buckeye Weekly: Instant Reactions to Ohio State's Victory at Washington

In this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr give their instant reactions from Ohio State's 24-6 win at Washington. They breakdown the performances on both sides of the ball, including the defensive dominance, key plays, and the standout performances by players like Caden Curry and Julian Sayin. The hosts also discuss the Red Zone challenges and third-down efficiency, touch on special teams' highs and lows, and share insights from post-game comments. Plus, they reflect on the Ohio State fan presence and atmosphere in Seattle. Tune in for a detailed analysis and plenty of engaging banter!

00:00 Introduction and Initial Impressions
00:55 First Half Analysis: Possessions and Performance
03:29 Key Players and Defensive Highlights
06:44 Second Half Analysis and Key Moments
20:43 Running Game and Offensive Strategy
27:12 Upcoming Challenges and Rivalries
31:13 Defensive Line Performance Analysis
31:58 Caden Curry's Impact
32:30 Penalties and Game Dynamics
33:13 Washington's Performance and Crowd
33:53 Helmet Cart Anecdote
35:00 Ohio State's Future Challenges
36:53 Jedd Fisch's Post-Game Comments
40:07 Ohio State's Defensive Strategy
42:00 Matt Patricia's Role and Impact
43:55 Receiver Rotation Observations
46:19 Game Statistics and Analysis
52:42 Historical Comparisons and Final Thoughts
59:15 Closing Remarks and Viewer Interaction

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Buckeye Weicky Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Tony Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
How's it going.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
That was a day of football and really a weekend
at football that I thought lived up to exactly what
I was sort of expecting, but really what I was
hoping in terms of environment, stadium, game, all of it
really was, you know, sort of what you had in
your head in terms of what this might look like

(00:30):
and the sort of the experience overall. I thought that
was you know, I mean, I'm sure there were people
late in the first half throwing remotes and that kind
of stuff, but all week long we said, hey, this
is probably gonna be a close game. At halftime, You're
gonna have to just relax and it's gonna be okay
because the talent's gonna win out in the end. It

(00:52):
was a close game at halftime, but then the talent
wanted out at the end.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
It was just like if Ohire State could get possessions. Yes,
we only had three in the first half, which is crazy,
and they had seventh for the game.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
That that last possession where they ran out the clock
was their seventh possession, so their seventh drive, which is
that's something that you hope doesn't happen when you're playing
Army for the Yeah, eighteen play drives. This was a
bizarre even even for I would not have expected this
kind of game to only have three possessions, even knowing, yeah,

(01:26):
there's still enough, that's like, yeah, but three drives, you're
gonna have more than that. But that is that is
a first half drive chart right there that you looked
at that top.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Right, Yeah, it's first half drives for Ohio State four
thirty seven, three twenty nine, three thirty one.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
They had the ball that's seven minutes, eleven minutes and
thirty seven seconds, So they.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Had three drives.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
None of them were long drives. And that was I mean, honestly,
most of you know, that was a relatively balanced first half.
You had. The one thing that really swung things in
the first half was they had the long possession to
start with it, and then on downs inside the five
and then they lost a possession with the Brandon and
his fumble on the punt. That's where you really lost
a possession, and that's that was what really kind of

(02:10):
swung things. I mean, Ohiost's offense. They scored twenty four points.
They had one touchdown in the first half. They didn't
score until a minute eight in the first half, and
so you look at the drive chart and it's like
nine plays forty five yards. They had six plays fifteen
yards in a punt, ten place seventy three yards, fourteen
plays seventy five yards, eleven place fifty nine yards, eight
plays forty four yards. It was they were They did

(02:31):
not have a bad drive other than the second drive
they lost the one drive to the to the fumbled punt,
and that was really.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
It as frustrating at times to watch the offense as
conservative as it was that scoring seven points in the
first half.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
My thought was, if you just throw the ball more,
you'd have more points.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Now, again, there was only three possessions, so you can
only have so many points. But they just Brian Hart
Ryan Days felt like they were just intent on running
the ball, slowing things down again taking maybe maybe that's
lower lower of the crowd to sleep, but they did
because this place is loud all day. We could talk
about that later on, but eventually they started letting Julian

(03:15):
say throw the ball twenty few twenty eight for two
hundred and eight yards two touchdowns. Again, only had maybe
a couple of moments where he should have thrown a
pass or just you're getting got pressured, and but he
never looked again. He never looked rattled. Tom, What would
the points on the bold prediction? Was this a two
play bold prediction? If you would have said Julian Sane
will outrush Demon Williams.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, boy, that would have been that that would have
been a pretty a pretty good one. And that's I
think a testament to how good the Ohio State take
theens a line.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
She's in the game.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean, they had a bunch of sacks, but they
also he just never got loose. They they you could
you could really tell what the game plan was. Don't
let demand Blames speak with his legs, don't let Jonah
Coleman beach it, don't let Denzel Boston beat it. And
Jet Fisher was asked about don't let Denzel Boston beat it,
and he said, look, we got other guys. Will We're

(04:06):
comfortable with other guys. And we spent all weeks saying
these are the three guys to watch. Hio State said,
these are the three guys to watch. You're not gonna
beat us, make someone else do it, and you know,
you're I'm sure people are watching the game.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Going, who the heck are all these guys catching passes?

Speaker 3 (04:20):
I'm antony didn't say you know, we didn't. We didn't
tell you about We didn't say Desmond Robucks name out
loud once this week, and your decorative graft, we did
not say it out loud once this week. And but
that's that's what happens when you take away the guys.
You know, this was a don't let Michael Jordan beat
you kind of game. So okay, bj Armstrong is gonna
get bj Armstrong is gonna score whatever b j Armstrong

(04:41):
is gonna score. Do. But if you're gonna you know,
if it is a all right, let's let's see a
bj Armstrong to beat you, you're gonna take your chances
with that.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, And that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
And you know Denzel Boston had a seventeen yard catch
in the first drive and then didn't have anything to
like the fourth quarter because they limited him.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Catch his twenty seven yard twenty six yards and along
of seventeen. So yeah, that that's you will take eight
point seven yards per catch on you know from from
the big you know, and eight point seven yards protect
for Jonah Coleman as well. Those are two guys who
in the past game you thought, oh boy, they could
be difference makers, and they absolutely.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
And Jonah Coleman had some nice moments, but he had
Washington only had two rushes and over ten ten yards
or more, demand Williams had one. Joi Coleman had the
thirty four yarder, which I know probably frustrated some folks,
but you know, he had a couple of like he
got loose, and it's like, oh, that was eight yards, Like, well,
that's not a lot of yards to get to get loose.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know, you're gonna you're gonna have You're gonna give
up some eight yard rushes. You know, the most dominating
performance you could, you could be completely dominating in terms of.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
A defensive performance.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
And you say their long run of the day was
nine yards, and yeah, you're gonna give up some seven
and eight yarders.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
That's that's fine.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
You don't want to do that a lot, but if
that's the big one, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Jonana Coleman had the thirty four yard er.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
The other twelve carries in the game he had thirty
six yards, so that's three yards to carry outside of
the one long one. But if you had told Matt
Patricia that on Wednesday, Joan Coleman's gonna have thirty four
yards as four and then he's gonna average three yards
to carry for the rest of the day. And Denzel Balton's
gonna have three catchers twenty six yards. I mean, I've
never seen Matt Patricia do a cartwheel, but I bet

(06:15):
you've got Matt pe Ricky to do a cartwheel.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
If you told me on Wednesday, Joan Coleman will have
seventy yards. Everybody else will have negative nine.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're gonna you're gonna take that
for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Ohio State's long rush of the day was sixteen, but
they still rush for one hundred and forty nine yards.
That's consistency, That's that's when we talked about four and
a half yards per carry. Isn't great, but over the
course of the game with no longer runs, that's just
ball control and you're holding ye holding off to the
ball as much as you have it, and they started
putting together some long, time consuming drives in the second half.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
We need to get in the super chapter Mike first,
and he says, Cude, the tracker's throwing bench and the
leaf flower.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, we got a got a car, kind of a
vehicle with.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
A flashing yellow light over there. I don't think it's
throwing anything.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
But so I sir, as soon as you said it, we.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Are in the flight path for seattack as well, so
you may hear airplanes some time.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I hope we're okay where we are in terms of
we're not gonna get put on like a a cart
or something. Yeah, I be told to move, we'll see.
But yeah, the Sire State defense, well, I mean, let's
talk about Katon Curry because this was a JT. Twilliamola
while against Penn State kind of performance without the touchdowns

(07:27):
or interceptions. Eleven tackles, nine solos, three sacks, school record
tying five tackles for loss.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
That's that's nuts.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
And he was everywhere.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
There was one where he was covering Jonah Coleman on
a crossing ground like a little angle round. He tackles
him as soon as he catches the ball. He was everywhere,
and he had I think had six tackles on Washington's
first thirty plays and a half. In the first half,
uh we we we collective, we not you and me.

(08:00):
A lot of people talked about bo Atkinson and Kenyana
Jackson as the starting duo, and yet Kaydon Curry is
playing like an All America right now, and that's there's
two Caden's playing this well, right.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
It was impressive to watch.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, for sure, those were the two guys on defense
who you went wow several times. Eleven tackles for kat
and Curry, seven tackles for Katen McDonald's. Kitten Curry had
some big plays, three sacks. Caden McDonald might have had
the biggest play of the game. Kate McDonald basically had
the drive home safe play of the game, which was
fourth down for Washington with six seven minutes left something

(08:38):
like that, and gives, you know, picks up, picks up
the sack and was very enthusiastic about it after.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
I've got some good pictures for that.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
But yeah, those guys, I think Kate McDonald I maybe
had higher expectations for than Kyden Curry. Kitten Curry felt like,
you know what you're gonna get. He's going to be
very good, He's going to be solid, he's going to
be he's not gonna be Chase Young. He's a god
forgot that's okay. He's gonna be a really solid guy.
He's gonna give him thirty snaps a game. I think

(09:08):
I said he you know, I think I before this
season said, I think I am much more confident that
he's gonna get five sacks than almost anyone else in
the team because he's gonna be really solid and he's
gonna get five sacks. I think there's a lot of
people I would say might blow up and have ten sacks,
much more likely than Kayden uh Curry. I would like
to revise my earlier my earlier assessment he is he

(09:31):
has been everything they have needed in terms of the
defense end, because they lost two real, real good defense ends,
and he felt like coming into the year, they've got
They've got guys, they'll be okay, it'll be fine, not
a real problem. But this has gone from not a
problem to oh wow, this is really like he is
really online.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
You know, I has eight tackles for loss in four games,
five sacks. He may actually does he now lead the
team in tackles to the net.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Can't well?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
He was six shy of oar Belleries and so now
they're tied. They're tied. What did Jayalen McClain do because
he was at seventeen Jalen McClain three two, he was
pretty behind. So you now have Kate and Curry, who
leads a team in tackles tied, leads a team and
tackles were lost. With eight sacks and with four or
five actually no interceptions, brou.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Know, could do more.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, it doesn't run the ball. We've seen him a
fallback before.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, that's the next step.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
If you've got a Heisman candidate right now, his name
is Kate and Curry, get him the ball.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, maybe a pump return maybe maybe, well they I
thought they might be looking for a punt returner at
one point in the first half of this game. That
was There was not many times during the course of
the game that I thought, hmmm, that's a little concerning
for Ohio State. You know, it was, it played out,
it was I'm sure very frustrating the first half for

(10:55):
Ohio State fans. They bogged down in the red zone again.
But you you constantly kind of thought, well, don't they
have to pass, like like you said earlier, like they'll
be able to throw the ball. They need to throw
the ball, and the defense has been very good. I
don't expect Washington put up a bunch of points. This
will be one of these talent win out games. When
Brandon is fumbled the punt the first half and when

(11:17):
it was, you know, they had they had gone right
down the field. They had stopped Washington. They stopped Washington again,
and they had because Washington's first to drives third places
eight yards, five plays six yards. I mean, they didn't
go anywhere. So it was very much okay, it's fine.
They didn't score the first drive. Brandon and his catches
the punt, he runs it back across midfield yards. It
was a good punt return. And then uh then you

(11:42):
you fumble it and you boy, that was that was
a that was one that if why was takings the
ball there? I think it's a very good chance to
drive in and they score, and it's you know, this
game probably does end up. I said thirty eight seventeen.
I don't think that Washington is scoring seventeen points with
upon further reflection, I don't think the world with Washington
score seventeen points. But you know, this was this is

(12:05):
the game whe O Higher State probably could have pulled
away a little earlier excepted the mistakes. Although you watched
the whole first half, I think both teams went to
the locker room the head coaches thinking, well, shoot, if
only we hadn't made all those mistakes, and Washington was
a penalty after penalty a penalty, and you know, we'll
discuss exactly which federal prison this officiating for should go to,
because boy, if you want something that the husty Buckeye

(12:26):
fans and Husky fans and the comments will agree on,
this officiating proves to federal prison probably for a while.
But it was this was Washington kept making have been
penalties that that short circuited drives. Ohio State had the turnover,
they had a couple of penalties that sort of short
circuit drives, you know, and you had there were just
a bunch of things, right. I think they're not gonna

(12:48):
love watching that film on Sunday and uh back back
in either facility.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
There are some people who are not gonna love watching it.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
But yeah, I mean Kevin Inn said it on the
UH the message board that have saying both of these coaches,
both of these teams should feel fortunate to be in
this game at this point because Ohio State. What we
talked about before the game, how does Washington win this, Well,
they've got a stealer possession. Yeah, they did that in
higher state's gotta make mistakes. They did that, and yet eventually,

(13:18):
you know, well Washington also has to play well. Well, yeah,
I know, Ohigo States defense needs to not be as
good and sorry they apparently are.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, well, Ohio States defense is legit and that's I
don't think that's a big surprise, but they were. They
were really really solid all day, stopped the first two drives,
really stopped them in their tracks.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
And Washington helped a little bit on that second the penalties.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
But you want to know what Jeed Fish thinks about
this Ohio State of defense.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
They faked the field goal in.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
That was kind of in the second quarter, and he
said during the press conference they had a look when
they were on the right hand pash the right hash.
They thought there was a look they were going to
get from the Ohio State to you know, field goal
defense block team, and hed they didn't really get it.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
I think the look was Davis.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
And Enigmunosen came flying off that right edge on the
first one, and I thought might block that field goal.
He got close and I think it was Sunny styles
behind the line he got close, I think, And and
you know, to Ohio State's credit, there were special team
stuff that that I'm sure Ohios kind of pulling the
hair out over that was one of the biggest players

(14:29):
in the game that they had. The discipline on the
on the kick covered the kick defense team to not
fall for the fake they had. You know, the receiver
was covered, the kicker had someone right and it said
that it might have been Davis Andignoso right in his
face on that one. Yeah, and yeah, I think I.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Was waiting for a flag because he was kind of
keeping him from going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Now, the the ball wasn't going to be caught. I
think it was going to be overthrown. But I was
waiting because you know why. Yes, but also like you
said about the refs, but I know Washington fans wanted it,
and he did. He did impede with his with his route,
but they let it go because even the rest are like,

(15:14):
what are you doing right?

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Well, and and it was not I don't think it
was a great throw. The coverage was there. It was.
It was one of those where spiritually the the play was,
the play was covered, the play was defended that you
don't want to end them something, but you know, I mean,
can we talk Can we talk about the roughing the
passer call that Washington got flagged for. Jetfish was asked,

(15:37):
what'd you what'd you? You know what happened on that
play and he said, well, they call roughing the passer.
That was the end of the answer. It's like, yeah,
extremely same, Yeah, I don't I don't.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Know what that was.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
That was. That was one where it's like, well, we're
getting hated by the flag now, so we've gotta listen, kids,
gotta get to you know, bracess, listen, I gotta get
we gotta we gotta hit our quota.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
This is the problem when you sponsor penalties, like you
got to make the sponsors happy, the corporate champions.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, that was.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
That was a bad one.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
There was. There was the one where they watching the
long pick up kind of deepen their own end, kind
of left side of your TV screen. And then there
was a sideline penalty and apparently an official ran into
a coach on the sideline and jets but Jet Fish
was a little unclear on what actually happened there that
showed up on.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
The broadcast or they did, but I missed it because
the broadcast was like real time. Okay, yeah, but also
there was no warning on the sideline warning.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well if it was if it was Blade, well if
you run into someone, if the official running down the
sideline runs into someone, then it is a penalty. Sideline
warning is like the players have come out on the field,
not that you've you know, interfered with a player, interfered
with an official during the course of the play.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
And even pretty and then Jetfish gets a penalty about
five minutes later for arguing with the referee.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well, you had both teams got called for unsportsman like
conducts at different times, and it was just I mean,
it was just he was a little bit sloppy, which
you're gonna have. There were I thought the strangest thing
was all week long we talked about the noise in
the stadium and how it was gonna be challenged for
a High States offensive line. And then I think the
first two or three false starts were Washington, which was first.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Three, first three, Yeah, I mean Ohio they had one
in the second half.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, that was that was a wild one.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
That was a It was the high credit the High
State fans for.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
There were a couple of people around me on the
field they said, this isn't quite as loud as I
was sort of led to believe it was. And I
think I thought it was plenty of loud, like this
was this was this was an atmosphere and in a stadium,
and that and everything that moved up to the building.
In my mind, well, you also had trouble. I mean,
I'm not gonna guess fifteen thousand Ohio State fans whatever
whatever number you want to throw out there, there was

(17:52):
plenty of red in the stadium, and so you know
that if they're seventy thousand Washington fans here, it is
that one level of loud. If there's fifty five thousand
Washington fans, you're a weapon number is well it's not
quite as loud.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Then, I'd say one of the reasons it wasn't as loowed. Yes,
Ohio State fans are here. Two, the Higher State offense
was only on the field for like eleven minutes in
the first half, so that's when the crowd is supposed
to be loud and so they didn't even have an
opportunity to do that.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Then second half, Ohio State has the ball.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
But the game is kind of, you know, like you're
feeling a little bit nervous, and when you're nervous, you're
not as loud, you're not as boisterous as you'd like
to be.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, and you know, more Pop says, I think it's
better to say the reps crapped out, but it impacted
both teams equally, basically off setting. Yeah, I think that's
I think that's reasonable. It was it was not just
one team just repeatedly getting posed. I'm sure both teams
feel like we repeatedly got posed. But you know, I
think both teams would feel like they so I that
to me, I didn't think it was a you know,
I didn't think that was an aciding factor.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
That felt more like an annoying factory teams.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I think Washington would like to have that roughing back
because I led to a touchdown jefs.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
So yeah, would that have everything?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, probably knocks in terms of probably the eventuality
of this game, But yeah, you don't want to give
a touchdown up right out at the end of that
the start of the first half or second half.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Brian Day talks about the middle eight. We always talk
about the middle eight.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
It turned into a middle twelve because that first drive
went so long, very effective, perfect first drive to come
out of a half on the road, set the people down,
fell on the shows over, Yeah, good night, everybody.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah. Fourteen plays seventy five yards seven to forty one
off the'clock and that was That was really a Washington
Basically they got the ball for a very short thing
right at the end of the half, but didn't do
anything with it.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Free plays no yards.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Between the between the four thirty nine mark of the
second quarter and the seven nineteen mark of the third quarter,
So basically twelve ish minutes of game time, Washington the
ball for a minute.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
It was, and it was this game went very fast.
I feel like it went fast.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yes, it was a three hour game.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yeah, well, but it felt like it was even faster
than that.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
And it just it just felt like you looked up
and it was like, how was it already three minutes
left to the first quarter? How was that already almost halftime?
How was it already the fourth quarter? It just it
just kind of flew by, which not happen Lord knows,
they got their commercial time in so it wasn't that,
but they it just the costs kept moving, the possessions
were along. It just kept going, which yeah, I mean

(20:24):
that's fine. I'd rather have that than a four hour
and forty minute slog like we've seen in the past.
It was it was, uh, yeah, it was. It was
a game where Ohio State did not Washington did not
make this easy. I don't Ohio State any point, but
Bucky did what they needed to do. One thing that
they needed to do was fight figure out who they

(20:46):
were going to run the ball with. Tony.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
I think we know who RB one is.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, I would agree with that. Even though CJ. Donaldson
got the start and got that first drive, it did well.
Things bogged down, but it's pretty clear they want to
get bo Jackson more. And he didn't bust one at
all today, but he was moving the pile and dragging
some tacklers. Finished with the eighty yards and seventeen carries,

(21:09):
kept them on schedule, had a nice catch where he
got hit pretty good and held onto it. So that
was impressive and you're just gonna see more and more
and more of it. But also my seventeen carries, which
was the season high last year for Quinn Shawn Judkins
and that was the season nine for any Ohio State
Buckeye last year. So that gives you an idea of

(21:32):
what they think of him, what they needed and we
need to run though, just to make sure we win.
That's that's the kind of that mentality that they had
in there, and he had half of their thirty four
carries and this ball control type of game plan that
they went with, you're only going to see more and more.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
And now they're going to continue to get James Peoples involved.
We saw him late C. J.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Donalds, and I think what they're doing with him right
now is what we're gonna see all season long. Shortyard,
did you get a driver to to, you know, establish
some things.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
You're gonna be.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Out there to catch the ball at times, you're gonna
be out there to protect the passer at times. He is.
He's the happiest galantee and every time we see him,
so you'd just say he's perfectly happy with this role.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, you would, you would think so. I mean, I
think I think people have sort of come around on
the idea that you don't need to have the twenty
seven carry a game guy anymore that.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
That's kind of a thing in the past.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
And and you saw how beneficial it was last year
to have everything sort of split up. Keep guys pressure,
you know, for individual games, keep guys pressure the season,
and you know, you know what running backs typically feel
like at the end of the season, and Trebian Henderson
and quin frand Dragons were both much you know, not
didn't look like that at the end of the year.
And these guys were all kind of around, you know,

(22:55):
other than Donaldson were kind of around for all of
this last year, or Sothy kind of saw it. And
and no, Mike Ferguson says, we convert that fourth and
one with bo Jackson changed my mind.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
You had a much better view of that than I did.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
So, yeah, I'm I'm not going to try to do that.
But he the you're talking about the one where CJ.
Donaldson got stuffed and I would assume the first dry
yeah exactly, Yeah, I mean c J. Donaldson had gotten
them down there, he was running the ball. Well, you
can assume things are going fine and just get it done.
But Boe at that point did they ran them on

(23:30):
a little from the slot and he picked up like
two or three yards. It doesn't matter who you run
back there, you should be able to pick up that yard,
right And they didn't. So I well, that's a that's
an offensive line thing as much as the running back thing.
So to say, well, well bo would have gotten it
like same offensive line right right.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Well, and you've also seen that the Toush push is
basically unstoppable, and so that feels like it it's.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Unstoppable when you have maybe like a two hundred and
twenty pounds quarterback.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Right, well, they do, Look he's just on the sideline, like,
go ahead and put him in. And I mean you
they ran him in a package in a third and
short against Ohio. I'm frankly slightly surprised giving them Lincoln
keyholes when at one point of Washington commit that you
didn't find a way to get him in the game,

(24:19):
and you know, maybe there were something that they may
did the circumstances too upright, But then the if you're
struggling and fourth and short or third and you know,
third and one and you're not able to run the ball,
and you have the play that's so consistently successful that
people are trying to make it illegals. You know, I'm
just a caveman, But to me, I would look at

(24:41):
the play that is so consistently successful that they're looking
to make it illegal, that I would I would consider
working that into my game plan in those serch situations.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
The most remarkable thing about this game to me is
demand Williams was eighteen for twenty two passing and Washington
was one for eleven or third downs?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
What is that compute? Like? Are all how many of
these sacks were on third down?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
They know a few of them, But the fact that
you're able to throw the balls so well except when
it comes down to fire down. And they were able
to move the ball between the twenties and thirties until
they started to get a little compressed.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Or there'll be times where they they have a good
field position.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
And then negative play, negative play penalty and it's almost
like they're right back where they started.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
That That's exactly what happened on one of their drives. Yeah,
and they just kept getting pushed back.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
And I can't say enough about the defense, but eighteen
of twenty two they were completing passes down the field.
But it feels like this whole the whole game plan,
even with the passing game.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Just contain it will be right. Yes, it all had
to go crazy.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Keep everything in front of you, don't let Williams get
out of the pocket.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
It was very much just take.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Eventually the defensive line will win.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Make them go down the field in chunks and have
three plays in a row where they're moving the ball
down the field and not making a mistake and not
giving up a negative play and all that.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
And yeah, they had they had plays that were some
big plays. But Desmond Robot had a twenty yarder great
the other three catches he had thirty eight yards. That's
like twelve and changed per Joanah Coleman had a fourteen
yarder or his other two were twelve, so that's six
yards Perzel Boston had a seventeen yard or his other

(26:20):
two nine yards. It's four and a half per Murray
Evans had two for twenty four. He had his longest
twenty two.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
That means the other two the other one was two yards.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Decor de Graff had two catches for twenty four yards
long of twenty three.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
That means the other one was one that was third.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Sure, Yeah, raiding by and the freight was two for ten,
long of seven, and so other was three. Like, there
were a lot of short plays and you know, you
can you can give up a twenty yarder every once
in a while. You have to string together three or
four twenty yards to get down the field. And Washington
wasn't able to do that. They were constantly getting thrown
off schedule, either by not being able to run the

(26:56):
ball for five yards of pop consistently or getting sacked
or penalties. And then if you if you're off schedule,
then yeah, you can throw for seven yards, but if
it's third and twelve, seven yards doesn't do your whole.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Ad Geiger Lee asks, does Washington, the team, the atmosphere,
et cuch I feel like the Big ten? And I
absolutely feel like it does. And the same with Oregon.
Felt the same way coming out of the Oregon game
last year. Now, Ucla, yeah, see whatever, but we haven't
seen them. Yeah yeah, but yuh see, honestly does feel
like the Big ten because they've been around the Big
ten with the Rose Bowl, yeah, for soever for so long. Yeah,

(27:33):
but absolutely the stadium is it's like, you know, it's
not the biggest thing. You know, it's it's but it's
got seventy thousand. It's not not unlike you know, Spartan stadium.
It's or a bigger uh predue boiler maker field type
of situation.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
We've been we.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Spent the whole weekend making friends and you're comparing this to.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
But no, but it does feel big ten to me.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, I think this is yeah, you know, other than
having a real long playing flight to get out of here,
to get out here, this is a place that is
going that takes its football seriously, that the atmosphere is
up to the standards of anywhere in the nation, and
the you know, the team is legit, the team is,
the team is. This is a good football This is
not a national championship football team in Washington right now,

(28:19):
but you.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Could see that.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
You could see, I mean Washington was in literal the
National champersion game two seasons, so you could absolutely see
them get back there in the next few seasons at
least be a playoff kind of team under Jetfish. There's
a lot to like there, I think for Washington, and
this is this is a stadium where, boy, if this
is a playoff game, if you've got Georgia coming up here,

(28:41):
in December, or Texas coming up here in December. Good luck.
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I'm just looking at Washington schedule right now, and then
we'll get back to the contents.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
At Maryland.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
This is the next game that, by the way, Jetfish said,
we're excited to get on a plane and go to Maryland.
I'm about ready.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
It like brought up like that is a why sir.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
No one is excited about that.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Then they're at Michigan, and I think the Michigan defense
is going to give them fits. Illinois got a nice
win today. That's at home. That at Wisconsin, Purdue Oregon
here in the season finale, which they're going.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
To getting home for Illinois and home for Oregon. Those
are the three that you look at and you're probably
gonna win one at least of those. I mean this
this team very well might finish nine and three. You
could finish like ten and two. I don't I don't
know that you're beating Oregon. But the other, you know,
at Michigan is winnable. But I think Michigan's favorite Illinois here.
I think that's winnable and that's probably a pretty close

(29:40):
points brint thing.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, and this could be an opportunity for Washington to
keep Oregon out of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Oh as well.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I think they would enjoy that.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I think they would enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
I think it was a Stephen Means before the game
or during the game ran into so saw Ohio State
fans running against the Washington fans and Washington fan thank
them for the win over Oregon in the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, that was that was that is if you were
not familiar, you know, you think Oregon's big brib orger
is the Civil War against Oregon State and at Washington's
big driverraries the Apple Cup against Washington State.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
And yes, but also Washington.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
And Oregon have a history, like a history history over
the last especially thirty years. I think Oregon when they
went to the Rose Bowl in nineteen ninety four, I
think they were showing highlights of this while we were
at Awesome last year and it was like a big
interception in the Washington game and that was like their
huge signature moment from that season.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yeah, there's there are those are like Capital.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Art rivals, and you know, it's it's cool that that's
a big ten thing. Now. I did want to get
to this from war Pug Tony won his impossible profective
for running backs, hitting seventeen thirty four eighty something. Bold prediction.
Well Tony, James Pupil's only hit ten yards, so I
don't think that you did. I know I came close, though,
bomp and I cannot emphasize this strongly enough.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Wh Yeah, there you go. Thank you for rooting for me.
I'm sorry that I fell short for you.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Uh no, no, no, you fell short for everyone. Anthony says
the d line is not getting enough love. They're becoming
they're powerful Under Knowles, I felt they underachieved in his system.
It's they're certainly showing a lot more looks and they're
certainly I think more tailored this year. And you can
you can blame that on Jim Knowles, you can blame
that on whoever you want to blame that on, or
some combination of people. We're not going to get into that,

(31:34):
but this defensive line is has wildly exceeded my expectations
for this season.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, although, as Brian Day said, it's game four, but yeah, right, yes,
But through these four games, because we weren't sure exactly
what they would be, there was questions like, yeah, you
know who the starters are going to be but well
that's yeah, sure you know, but do you know what
they're gonna do because they haven't done it, and it's like,
well that that is that that's an issue.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Caven Curry. I don't know how many you guys we're on.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I'm sure you saw most of the stream of the coaches,
the coaching, the players said that, you know, we're no
name defensive line. It's only gonna last a long. I
don't know that Cayden Curry is gonna stay no name guy.
Kate McGown not a no name guy. Very very impressive.
I asked, can YadA Jackson? Can defensive lines be in
a zone? He looked like it to me, that's what

(32:23):
he said. So yeah, it was impressive all over. Even Uh,
I think Taywan Malone had a player there. Edrick Houston
has to clean up the penalties. Uh that was that
could have been bad? That was was that unsportsman like conduct?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Is that on him? Yes?

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (32:38):
And he just like he took a shot at a
guy after the play.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Okay, I slapped that was after a Caden Curry sack.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Sack right, yeah, because they threw the flag and I
was thinking well, maybe he got a face mask or something,
and then they called on Sports one like conduct and
I didn't think they said Cayden Curry's number, So yeah,
he had a you know that you had a hands
to the face on Philip Daniels where the Washington player's
helmet came flying off and they hadn't thrown the flag,
and the Washington guys like looking around, like.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Do you think it just fell off on its own?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
How do you think that happened?

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Michael mcannison's Washington's a good team. They'll beat some folks
this year. They have a good crowd still not Oregon. Imo.
They have a good.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Season this year.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
You know, I think this is it's hard to compare
the games because the Oregon Ohio State game last year
was so back and forth, and you know, thirty two
to thirty one is a very different game than twenty
four to six. If we didn't see Washington score touchdown today,
So if Washington scores a touchdown and they fire up
the siren and all, you know, all that stuff that

(33:43):
you could tell early in the game, this place out loud, loud.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
It was not as.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Consistently loud throughout the game, but Uh, it was, it was,
it was, I was. I was impressed with the noise.
Mike Ferguson wants to know. The viewers want to know,
did Tom take the Washington Helmets cart for a spin.
I actually saw that yesterday when I was here on campus.
They had it stored in the parking garage underneath the
stadium where I parked. Yesterday while I was doing one
of the segments, and I took a picture of it,

(34:07):
and I don't think I actually put it on social media,
but it was like I looked at it and I'm like,
I've never seen a football team with a bullpenang cart before,
but they drove it out of the field. I'm assuming
they must have shown it on the broadcast, but they
drive it out on the field after the must have
made field goals and no, I sadly I did not.
I did not do the Marshall and Lynch. But believe me,
anytime I see a bullpen cart, I think what if

(34:30):
I did.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I saw it here when we got here about ten
hours ago. It was on the ramp and I did
see like is the key there? And the key was
not in there. I don't know how to hot wire
carts only like Ford fairmounts from the earlies.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
That's all I can do. Okay, good, there there is
any speaking of carts. There's a cart right there. I
heard a beep and I like, I looked over to
you to see if you were reacting, because I was like,
do I have the tonight? As all of a sudden,
did that? John's dropping? I'm dropping, you know, cussing like crazy?
Well Jenkins. Jenkins says Ohio State had superior alignment. The
real test would be what happens when you get challenged
by teams to the count?

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Can at you and played bulleyball?

Speaker 3 (35:08):
You know? I yes, you know. Maybe it's what kind
of you know? How well can Michigan run the ball?
I'm gonna be interested to see Michigan. You know, we
we watch. I'm guessing that's a Washington fan. I am
gonna be interested to see how consistently Michigan can run
the ball this year because their offensive line has been
okay but not amazing. Price under would just sort of

(35:30):
still rounding into form a little bit.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
So yes, I think that.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
I think Ohio State is definitely going to get challenged
several times this season. I think Michigan will definitely challenge
and I mean, you know, the Penn State game is
going on right now, and I think Penn State's gonna
present one kind of a challenge.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
They left they were putting all that stuff over there together,
and they left the TV on and left.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yes they did, Yes, class, Yes, Network TV people both.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Just the same.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
He's one of the best backs to come through Michigan
so far, and the explosive explosiveness that he plays with
and then you've got just they're just steady and really
steady has been enough to give Ohio State trouble in
that game because it's steady and steady and steady and then.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Boom, somebody's gone.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
It's like, yeah, what was it the twenty two I
guess when they held them in check for so long
until the dan broke at the end.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Well that was that was two seventy five yard puns
for Donovan Edwards. Donovan Edwards got a video cover based
on that, those two gifts. And you know last year
was kind of the same way as well, where it
was ten ten and they washed it. Michigan really had
done anything and they had the one run from klol
Mowings and that was it, and that was the That

(36:52):
was the play. I do want to get to something
from Jed Fish he had I was over there for
his postgame and get your if you've been on the stream,
you've gotten to hear the Ohio State side of things.
Jetfish had some interesting stuff to say. He was asked
that you're gonna hear two sound lights kind of together,
the second one he was asked. So the first one,

(37:12):
he was asked about their struggles in the red zone,
and you know, the struggles on on third down, I
think third down actually specifically just like one for eleven
on third down. He got asked about that, and then
he also got asked about taking sacks. And I thought
it was interesting because you heard, you know, all the
all the conversation in the Ohio State side was how
great the defensive line was. Jetfish had a very different

(37:35):
perspective on that. So that's the second question. The first
question was kind of about the one for eleven on
third down. So here's a couple of minutes with Jetfish.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Well, you know, we were we had first and goal
on the one and we ran the ball and got stopped,
and second goal on the two, and then we fall
started and we went backwards five yards. And that makes
things very challenging because now it's second and seven on
the seven and now we you know, they wind up
playing certain coverages where they've got guys really playing zone,

(38:03):
whole players all throughout the red zone, all throughout the
end zone. So I made it challenging we had and
then we wound up taking a sack. And then the
next job we went down there was third and three
and same thing. You know, we wound up trying to
get dead's the ball and they had a whole player
right in the throwing lane, and you know, we got
to throw that away. So we have a chance on

(38:24):
fourth and three to go for it, and you know,
unfortunately we took a sack there and had to kick
a field go to make it, you know, fourteen six.
But we'll learn from that. And you know that red
zone defense has been tried and true for the last
twenty five years up in New England, and there are
a lot of challenges there, a lot of different coverages.
How do you feel like you guys, I thought we

(38:44):
did well. I thought we were able to hold up
in the running game. I thought we could run the
ball pretty well. Didn't feel like we had a lot
of negative plays. I think our negative plays came on sacks,
and I think a lot of them they were they
were late sacks, they weren't early sacks. We were in
a position where you know, they were winning more because
of coverage than they were because of one on ones.

(39:06):
And then at the end they got us on a
couple one on ones. But for the most part, I
thought our line did well.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
All right, So there he goes. That was Jetfish. I
thought he had some really interesting comments kind of throughout
the game. I did think it was very interesting that
all the talk in the Ohio States side, and you know,
all the players they brought out were all defensive linemen,
and defensive line is the story of the game. And
then Jetfish is going, yeah, I mean, it wasn't like
they were just blasting through the offensive line. It was
a lot of coverage, you know, in which you know

(39:34):
Ohio State, that's that's also an important part of the defense, obviously,
but you have you have, you know, good coverage.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
He's got to stand there and he's.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Got it, you know. I don't remember who was in
that SoundBite or one of the other ones, but he
talked about demon Williams. He was eighteen for twenty two.
You got a incompletions are okay, throw the bowl away.
You gotta have kind of the clock in your head
that's going, hey, okay, not open, not open, not open,
Get rid of it because you can't, you know, you
can't always make a play with your legs. And sometimes

(40:03):
there was a big, angry guy coming right in your face.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
So that's what we saw in the Colorado State game
in the Washington State game, where in each of those
games they gave up three sacks. So it's like, well,
if they give up three sacks in that game, what's
Ohio States defensive line of defense going to do?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
And there wasn't a lot of blitzing.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
It was just, you know what the defensive linement talked
about it brushing as one's there's no freelancing, there's no.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Getting out of your gap, getting out of your zone.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Your area. It's all do it as one and then
when you're one on one battles, which they did. And
then ar Bell Reese Sunny styles both had opportunities to
be spies and they were. They were step for step
with demand Wallias when he would get outside and try
to scramble and there was not any long games in

(40:50):
that way, and so it was just as Jennifer said,
the coverage was there as well, even though there were
times when the middle of the field they were able.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
To to get that.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
But again, do it over the course of eleven plays
on a drive and see if you can then get
it into the end zone, because we've seen now this
team is pretty good in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Defensively, the Buckeyes are so yeah. I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Bend, don't break, bend, break the quarterback, bend, break the
offensive line.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
There's no don't break here, it's just break the offense.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah. The defense has just consistently. It hasn't always been
the same way. The only consistent thing has been it
just kind of works. They have were four weeks into
the season, four games in the season and the Ohio
State defense has given up two touchdowns and one was
against Texas and one was kind of a broken play
against Ohio.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
That's it. Through four games. If you're giving up one
touchdown every other game, that is going to be a
winning number for you kind of almost regardless of what
else you're doing. And the offense has done plenty well
to kind of handle their side of things.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
With eight new starters and a new defensive.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Courd yet well. And I think there have been a
lot of people who I have gotten text during games.
I've talked to people during the week who say, you know,
I wasn't sure about this Matt Patricia Higher, but boy
he's doing great.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
And it's like, yep, he sure is.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
He is. Everyone looked at the he's not. He wasn't
a very good head coach with the Detroit Lions, and
you know, number one, lots of people have failed as
the head coach of the Detroit Lions over the years.
Number Two, he's not being asked to be the head
coach of an NFL team right now. He's being asked
to be the defensive coordinator for a college team. Those
are very different jobs. And that's setting aside the fact that, yeah,

(42:36):
I think he's learned a lot from.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
His experience in Detroit as well.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
So yeah, that has been you know, I think Jim
Knowles was a huge boss for this team. Jim Knowles
did a pnomenal job as Ohio defensive coordinator and seems
like by all accounts, he's doing a good job.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
I can't see the score on.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
They're setting out Oregon in the first quarter.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Well, there you go, that's that's something. But he has
Jim Jim Noles has been incredibly successful everywhere he's gone.
You look at look what's happened at Oklahoma States since
Jimnoles left. It has gone from top five defense to
and your fire. Yeah, and largely because the defense has
been non competitive, and you know there's other factors there,
but Jim Knowles has been very successful everywhere he's gone.

(43:17):
So at some point that stuffed being a coincidence.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
But to lose a defensive.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Port ender like that and then pick up a guy
who everyone kind of scoffed that when they hired him,
and you know it's we're again four games in the season,
so we'll see where this ends up bed January and
if you can kind of keep the magic going.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
But so far, so good, for sure.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, he's answered all of the questions and all of
the concerns and has been professional about it and has
added to a defense. Has it come in and just
like we're changing everything, they've changed some things, but also
we's working with this defensive staff really really well.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Doug Shepherd said earlier I didn't see any rotation to
the receiver position. I at one point looked up and
Island there they were in the red zone, I think.
And Mylon Graham's out there is like, where did this
come from? I mean, I don't think, I don't think
anyone other than the starting three interceptions, but they did.
Did you see Bryson Rogers?

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I think he was out there there, yeah, a couple
of times. And Milond and Graham, as I said, a
couple of times. I think Rogers may have been out there.
It may have been the drive after Brandon and this
is on the return. But yeah, Myland Graham was out
there two separate times. Now that may have been three
or four total snaps for both of them. But you know,
they did have Malond.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Graham when he was in there, running a little.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
The orbit motion behind the quarterback and setting something else up.
But yeah, they would like to have done that more,
I'm guessing. But also they didn't have the ball all
that often. And then right when it was time to
run the clock down and just get out of Dodge, you're.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Just trying to get out of dodge. You need your
best run blockers out.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
There, right, Yeah, Yeah, for sure, there's there's a lot
of this that comes down to what he needed to win.
To win the game, Brian Day says over and over again,
job number one us to win the game.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
Gotta win the game, because.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
If you win the game and it's not, you don't
win it the way you want to, whether that's by
margin or style or hey, we were hoping to get
this guy involved more, whatever it is. That's hey, you
sit down in the film room and go, hey, sorry,
we're trying to do this. We wanted to do this differently.
We you know, we wanted you guys to play better
in this area. Whatever keeps that off a win. If

(45:26):
you you know, if they had lost this game, boy
is that a different flight on the way home than
you know. And they really never were in any serious
trouble in this game. It was there was never a
point where you looked around and oh boy. You know
last year at Penn State they were down ten to
nothing in the first quarter and you kind of looked
around at.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
The States stadiums going nuts, and.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
And you was kind of like, oh boy, how are
they going to respond to this? They did not really
have a oh boy, how did they How are they
going to respond to this, because when you have a
defense that's as good as this defense is, it's hard
to dig yourself too deep of a hole unless the
off is, you know, throwing pick six or scoop and
score or something like that. If you're not turning the
ball over and your defense is not giving up touchdowns,

(46:08):
it's hard to dig yourself too deep of a hole.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Or Washington had an opportunity to grow up ten nothing
because they were up three nothing, got the brought back, but.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
That was over, like yeah, yeah, and SIGNYAGU wants to
know the sack adjusted hundred and seven or so, it
was Washington. Ohio State outrushed them sack adjusted, So you
take out the sack yardage from the rushing totals. Ohio
State rushed for one hundred and fifty six yards sack
adjust at four point seven yards per carry. Washington rushed
for one hundred seven yard sack adjusted four point five

(46:38):
yards per carry. But that's not very many. That's not
very many carries. You're you're you know, four point five
yards per carry for one hundred and seven that's like
twenty two rushes something like that, and that's not a
whole heck of a lot.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, no, and those are winning numbers, clearly. Thirty carries
for a guy that would love to carry it twenty
six times and control the clock. And because if you
give him the ball twenty six times, eventually he's going
to bust one. I mean, he saw I'm in a
thirty four yard and thirteen carries. He's got an opportunity
to go to the distance at any time. So the

(47:16):
more carries you can give. But thirteen carries for Demand Williams,
and six of those are sacks.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
They just did not have the ball long.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
And that's what happens when you don't pick up third downs, right,
when you're one for eleven or third downs, good luck
establishing the run because you're not don't have enough opportunities.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Right, here's Demand Williams running rushing plays including the sacks,
rush for third and two rush for zero yards first
and ten, rush for two yards, second and three rush
for a two yard loss, third and ten and rush
for any zero yards. Second and five rush for six yards.
That was a positive one. Fourth and one rush for

(47:54):
ten yards that was a positive one birsch and ten
rush for two yards. I mean it was like you
had two that were you're you know, you're staying on schedule,
positive expected values kind of plays.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
If you told me before the game all.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
You're in it, all I'm gonna tell you is de
Mont Williams is gonna have two rushes of any positive
value at all.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
And that's all you tell me.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
I'm gonna say, yeah, I said wins by course, because
that that he is such an important part of this
offense and was just kind of a non factor for well,
it's crazy to say that about a guy who went
eighteen for twenty two passing, but he was kind of
a non factor for long ago?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Was this Trevor Lawrence had uh, the quietest of the
four hundred yards passing the Sugar Bowl and twenty yeah,
and this was the quietest eighteen of twenty two you'll
ever see. And they just they controlled them. There were
no big plays. There were some chunks here, but then
it's like, well, that that chunk got you to the
thirty five yard.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Line, now what?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
And then it's like, well, there's there's no now what,
there's nothing after, but now what because now now you've
just lost the yards on second down and now you're
face facing the third lone That was one of the
things that Ryan Day said on the Wyohio State was
so good on third downs of their own. It's like
he said, because we're good on first and second, right,
And that was a problem that Washington had where they'd
get a good gain on first, but then they'd get

(49:10):
a negative play on second, and it's like, well, he
just eliminated that positive gain on first down.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Can we talk for a moment. I did not have
my phone with me during the second half and just
about die at not being able to tweet this. I'm
sure other people made this disc joke on Twitter. Not
the first time the good folks of Seattle have watched
their team get run over by a guy named Jackson,
really really died and not being able to put that

(49:37):
out in the public. So I just appreciate you guys
beating my audience for that. Now we're good. I assume
that was a common observation, but I didn't.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Well, I didn't see anybody else other than myself.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
When bo Jackson had like the three yard run down
in the red zone on the end around the spot,
I said, it's the first time Abo Jackson has ever
been stopped in the red zone in Seattle.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
All right, yeah, all right, so same same page there,
there you go. Jeffer mcdella says, I think our fans
observe a Buckeye leave for this game, even though it
wasn't at home.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I say, I said it.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I was like that, that's the first false start that
would have been a Buckeye leaf. And then another one came,
and another one came.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
They were good. I don't know that I ever heard
in Ohio.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
But you can't necessarily do that in the stadium because
of the configuration. There were some Let's Go bucks that
were maybe drowned up by Let's Go dogs, you know
that that sort of thing. But uh yeah, a plus
effort by the Ohio State fans. And Tom said he
I balled it at fifteen.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
I don't. Yeah, it was a good number. It was
a healthy number. You could hear them.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
I hate being asked to do that because it's like,
it's the most unscientific thing. And if you're trying to, yeah,
take these completely unlike areas, and you know, I don't
know how many Washington fans are in the West End
zone behind us because that was all students, because that
was all suits.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, but you.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Know, you get people who just try these number And
the biggest source of irritation for me on this was
the Tennessee game last year where herk Curbture kept saying
sixty or forty thousand Tennessee fans. Allow me to assure
you there were not ten thousand fans within forty thousand
fans of that because they it never got that loud.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
This was, you know, and this.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Was absolutely you know, this was not anything close to
a stadium takeover a thing WHI have kit fans always travel. Well,
there were probably you know, fifteen thousand. If you told
me it was twelve, fine, If you tell me it
was eighteen, fine. I'm not gonna argue that. I put
the picture out at one plane at the end of
the first quarter, just sort of the panoramic picture of
this day, and it was like, you guys, figure it out.

(51:38):
I'm not dealing with it. Mike Ferguson says, all right,
glad that Oregon finally gets to experience the restless slumber
in central Pennsylvania. Two star hotel. Welcome to the Big ten.
Where do you well? They they probably booked something in
State College. Got the fans though, well not the fans,
oh no, the fans like, hey, try the Altoona pizza.
We did that, you know what?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, and then your continent no breakfast so dry hardened
Segmond rolls from.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Wherever every time they have the I think it might
be a Hampton and commercial, where it's the old lady.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
That ain't make your bones strong.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Where it's it's the you know, you know what is
the breakfast at the other hotels. I always think, hey,
Central Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
It's it's no lie, and it's a it's it is
a welcome to the Big Ten in so many different ways,
except for the fact that tom penn State joined the
Big Ten like a little over thirty years ago. Let's
just let's not let them be the epitome of what
the conference is. Thank you a saper chat. But even you,

(52:41):
I could agree.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
I did think it was interesting because the the first
season I really started watching Ohio State football was nineteen
ninety three. So one of the first games I ever
watched was the nineteen ninety three Washington game. And that
was a Washington team that was coming off back to
back to back Rose Bowls and I won a national championship,
and that was a game they the Ohio State had
that one and then they had the Penn State game.

(53:03):
And I will get I always get those two confused.
I think the Penn State one was the one that
was twenty four to six, because that was the same
score at the game today obviously, but you know, it
was kind of the same thing where Ohio State controlled
that game. It wasn't you know, Ohio State was probably
more in control in the game in Columbus in nineteen
ninety three, but it was you know, that was one
where it was a that was again that was a

(53:26):
washing team that was coming off of three straight Rose
Bowls and a national championship a couple of years before,
and this is a Washingt team that's coming off the
National Championship.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Game appearance a couple of years before.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
But the turnover in college football means that doesn't mean
quite what it did a couple you know, a few
decades back.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
There was a kind of an earlier that and I apologized,
I forget who it was, but it was something that
I was thinking during the game as well as like
Ohio State did not take advantage of the matchups as
much as you would have liked them to do, because
there were times where it was the freshman, true cornerback
matched up with Jeremiah Smith and they didn't go after it. Yeah,

(54:04):
It's like those are things where you can frankly whether
whoever was they did not attack the freshman. Now from
all accounts, he's going to be pretty good, but he's
still a true freshman. And how much we talked a
lot about Lee Roy Bryant, right, I don't know that
he was.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Him out there once because I I looked in my
eyes got real big, and I cause I it will
sometimes look and go I think I know where this
is going. Yeah, and that was one where I thought
I thought I knewhere was going and that was not
where it went.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
No, And maybe maybe maybe that's why old High States
offense was effective because Washington's like, well, we know where
they're going, and it's like, no, no, We're going to
just run the ball and throw the max player finally
got that the fourth down Faci he missed against Texas
that they connected on that one today.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
It was at the same route. It looked it was
pretty similar, and it was and it was the same
thing where he caught it and he got one foot
in and it was like, well, Jillians. You know the
last time Jullian saying was told like you had to
throw that a little earlier. He did not throw it
any earlier, but they got it, got it in. Uh,
this is I love I love our comment or so much.
It just means him wants to know why is it

(55:09):
called continental? I believe it's because it's that is a
traditional breakfast on the European continent. However, Colonel Linga says,
maybe it's what George Washington served the troops when they
had no money. Speaking of people rough rough quarters in
the state of Pennsylvania, breakfast everybody. So yeah, so that's uh,
I like, I like that one. Oh, Lincoln Riley lows today. Yeah. Yeah,

(55:35):
Well do you know Riley and Garrett Riley? You know
how brothers will fight sometimes. Do you think when they
get together for Thanksgiving they argue about who's the more
overrated offensive genius?

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Because I would have thoughts on.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
That he's a Clemson, right, Garrett Riley?

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Yes for now? Uh, super chat from tree Back. Organ
fans may experience and disappointment, but they will never experience
Kevin newonvers or taking discipplinement. That's one of the greatest
moments and really should they put that on the Pennsylvania
state flag. I say, Heaven's face walking into this was
during COVID, right, so there's like nothing going on Keaven's

(56:13):
face walk Kevin hates Burger King with the fiery passion
of a thousand suns. So we walk into one of
those Pennsylvania Turnpike rest stops and you know, on the
sign there's like, you know, here's the five options you have.
And we walk in there, and Tony and I walk
in just before Kevin, and we kind of do a
quick scan and it's like, well, that's closed, and that's closed,
and that's closed. Burger King's open, and that's closed. And

(56:35):
then just turn and watch Kevin's face as he walks
in behind us and has the same realization if you
could bottle a moment, you know, the worth of my
children wedding, you know, I mean there's some good choices.
I'm not saying that's top five, but it might be
top ten.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
You know, like Christmas Deve, when you're the Christmas music
is going, it's like it's is so so happy, you know,
it's so nice. Takes it back to all the happiness
that I've ever had that was that? Yeah, that was perfect.
I could not ask for a better day for any
of us.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
All right, we've gotten to our jetfish sound bite we have.
I'm just trying to scroll scroll form real quickly here
to see if there's anyone we haven't talked about that
we really need to I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
You know, we think Pierce had a hit on the
demand Williams that if you guys go back and watch it,
it was a little corby jones ish.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Okay, no, it was I think it was.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
This ten yard run maybe or when I was eight
or nine yarders. Okay, but he cleans them up pretty good.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
You know what I wanted to mention real quick Caleb
Down's two tackles, and I can remember at least one
of them, because there was one where there was a
receiver out in the flat or running back or something,
and it was just it was a receiver who like
got the ball out in the flat and it was
just but it was just Form tackled down. Nothing.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Davis had another those two where was.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I think it might have been a run and it
was like a seven yard gain and you know, the
guy's running away from me and I'm looking and I'm going,
oh boy, this might be trouble. And then Davis and
Iguanosa it was just like this might be trouble and
he's on the ground, like I mean on the ground
like that. It was a format.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
He went over the sideline and he and Matt Patricia
celebrated that one.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah, Tom, how many points in the bold predictions if
we say Jaden Fielding will come within one tackle of
Caleb Downson's tackle total, because that feels like that, that
would be that's at least a point.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
That's that that's at least a three pointer, I would say.
And you know, we talked about the positive on the
special teams earlier with the uh with covering the fake
field goal. Really well, the long kick return is you
know that the brendon and is fumble obviously is that's
one kind of issue. That long kick return is a
different kind of issue. Washington has some skilled talent. That

(58:51):
was I think it was Mohammed Yeah, back up running
back who returned that one. I mean, was there was
there a breakdown? Was that? Did you get any sense
for like this is a rush, you know, lame discipline thing?

Speaker 5 (59:01):
Well?

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I think so, because there's nobody there like he was
got there through there pretty quickly, and then you know,
great tackle by Jamie Fieldy to be there and ready
for it.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Let's wrap up with the single u easiest question we
get all year from Cynthia. I'm curious if Caleb Downs
and Jeremi Smith will declare for the draft next year.
They already run a championship, so uh. The answer is,
Caleb Downs is eligible for the NFL Draft after the season,
and I don't want to spoil a surprise, but I
expect him to be getting handed a hat by Roger

(59:31):
Goodell on a stage in wherever that is. Uh. And
Jeremiah Smith he has one more year he has he
will play the twenty twenty sixth season of college football.
Before then Roger Goodell can hand him ahead April twenty
twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
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