October 5, 2025 • 44 mins
Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr of Buckeye Huddle share their instant reactions following Ohio State's 42-3 win over Minnesota. They discuss the many positives for the Buckeyes and the small handful of negatives.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Hey Tom, how's it.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Going, Tony?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
That was.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
About as exactly.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
As I've expected a football game to play out as
a football game has played out in a long time.
I think when Minnesota won the toss took the ball,
I'm like, oh, they've got something here. They they think
they've got something. And then they went down and they
kicked the field goal. I was like, oh, oh, okay,
you and I both picked Minnesota score exactly three points.
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And that was the moment that I was like, I
bet we're both going to be exactly right. I think
that was it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That was their punch and they took their swing, and
it was like, well, good try. We'll see you next week.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Did you try to avoid the shutout and they just
run the clock out from there? Yeah? That was a
drive where let's see what happens after the script is done,
and we did. And frankly, once you get into the
red zone, that now the real trouble begins against the
Ohio State defense. Forty two three for the Black Guys
top second week in a row. Ohio State opponent is
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what for eleven or third downs? Does that have anything
to do with our good defenses?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
You know we have We'll have some sound bites later
on in the show from PJ.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Fleck.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
We got to take just a little bit of PJ
flex press conference before Ryan Day came in, and you
sort of got a sense for the general tone of
his comments, which was basically, you know, we got a
good football team. The problem is that's an incredible football team.
I think he the word he used was an exceptional.
We got a really good football team. That's an exceptional
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football team. And it's really you know, this is kind
of James Franklin Saturday, and this is like the James
Franklin postgame press conference where he's like, we're great, we
needed to be elite. Minnesota was really good, which is great,
not great, but they're really good. But it was like
it was very clear they were completely outclass, Like Vegas
got whooped on the line of scrimmage, and Fleck talked
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about the fact that they were down what fourteen to three,
and he went forward on fourth and one in their
own end and he basically, you know, this is one
of these soundbites you'll hear later but he basically said, yeah, man,
what do you want me to do? Like, I can
punt it and then they're just going to have a
ninety yard touchdown drive instead of a forty five yard
touchdown drive. That doesn't really accomplish anything. Give it a shot.
You lost to the line of scrimmage. Ohio State won
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that play. Ohio State just kind of dominated the game.
We do have a super chat. We got to punch
up here, Mike Frino, says Tom tim Tony. You have
heard of the backup quarterback is better than the starter controversy,
but even heard of the backup offensive line is better
than the starting offensive line controversy slash sarcasm.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, well, we did see Josh Badia going the right
guard this week instead of Ethan for a moment or two.
We saw more more for like one snap after ter
Daniels lost his helmet, tours old helmet off?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Is that what happened? Yes, his helmet popped off and
there wasn't a flag, And I thought that was weird.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, I think it's just you know, he did it
on his own. Maybe, But yeah, I mean what we
need to see more from the offensive line because we
still need to see more from the Running Game and
the breakdown thirteen for sixty three for Bo Jackson. You
saw James People's tear it up late at the end.
That was good to see some confidence building, certainly for him.
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But thirty carries for one hundred and thirty three yards
four point four yards per carry, it's not very good yet.
It's not good yet. It's above average to average right now,
I would say average. It's not above average. It's just
it's there as a it's there to prop up to
pass the game so that you don't just become like
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this this pass happy thing right now now, Bo Jackson
long of ten average five yards carry four point eight.
It's effective enough and I think everybody expects that he
will continue to do well, but they need more. And
I don't know. Just one hundred and thirty three yards
does not do anything for me when you those came
up like the last two drives.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Right and I think Minnesota kind of this is something
else here in more detail from PJ. Fleck about later
in the show, I think Minnesota just kind of had
to pick their poison and they you know, I can
I can just reach you. The yards per play here,
yards per rush four point four yards per We have
yards per completion, and that's fourteen point two. An United
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State completed about ninety roughly percent of their passes, so
basically fourteen you know, fourteen yards per pass, four yards
per rush.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You can guess which poison Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Pet Yes, still dead late, Yes, and it was the hemlock.
It was the Cardinal tape poison. Nine for one eighty three.
You have catches of forty four, forty eight, forty.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Nine that would have been a real good goal prediction.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Three sequential catches of more than forty yards.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
That would have been a three parter. Got to see
this is Max Claire's best game was a buck eye
five catches, sixty three yard cards. He was he got
to be used more than just on the sideline. Immediately
step out of bounce because the throw is heading you
that way. So they used to some good ways. Jeremiah
Smith gets his customary two touchdowns. I thought this may
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have been This may have been Julian Saying's best game
throwing the ball because he was I don't know if
he took it personally that some people were calling out
as deep passing recently, but he was. He was on
point This was Tim May said, and we were talking
to you know, we always bound stuff back and forth.
He's like, uh, you know because he asked Julia, Julie,
you really had a zip on your fastball, you know,
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and then we were talking about that during the game.
It's like, this looked like a very strong quarterback showing
off his arm.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, the throws were there, there was not a lot
of There was one.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Where Tate was kind of behind the defender and kind
of had to slow down. You know, it was a
bad throw and I'm doing the airplants where he had
to come back and instead of a touchdown, it was
merely a forty whatever yard completion, which is you know,
if that's if that's bad, there are a lot of
people that would sign up for bad. But it felt
like this was you kind of had the Okay, you're
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going to show something else. And I don't know if
that's Julian taking it personally necessarily as much as Ohio State,
the offensive coaching staff wants to show that, Okay, they
can do this, they can do that.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You're you're putting some stuff on film.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You're making it so that people can't just well, we're
just going to sit on the three things that.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We know they can do. And so now you're putting
some more stuff on film. And you saw it on
Special teams.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Too, Like you didn't have to do the throwback punt thing,
but the fact that that's out there now, that's.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Certainly going to probably slow down some punt coverages and
spread out some punt coverage a little bit more, which
might open something up later down the road.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
That was a good place because I was watching the
replay way do you'd see like, is Brenda Styles just
hanging out? It's like, no, he ran, he ran, you know,
down there to to to get that throw out his
perfect throw form. Brandon Innis one guy keeps to for
making that a touchdown. So it was good to see.
Actually the special teams won their battle. Which are they
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have five hundred team this year?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
The special teams, they're actually relatively high up in I
think FBI I can pull it up, but they were,
they were. You know, they've made most of their kicks.
And I know Jaden Fielding missed a fifty two yard
or today, but they they've made most of their kicks.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
They haven't had any real debacle plays on special teams
really they've had. You know, they gave up a long
kick return to Washington, but that was a kick turned
out to the forty or whatever it was. It wasn't
a one hundred yard return anything like that.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
They've been fine on special teams, and you know, I
think there was the general reaction to the throwback on
that was, oh, look, they're trying on special teams now,
and it's like, maybe they don't have to.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
This is not team that has to win on special teams.
They just have to not lose a special teams.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, don't don't be a detriment and everything else should
be fine. And even if you are a detriment, and
really that's just gonna be a twenty eight to ten
win instead of a thirty one to three or something
like that. But overall, just a completely dominating effort by
the Buckeyes. We're talking a little bit about the running game,
and Kevin's in the chat asking if people are concerned
(08:13):
about the running game, as Mozart's ghost said, I am
concerned about it. Yes, maybe not if they would give
both twenty five carries. They want to save it for later.
That is one issue I think when you want to
build the running running game and get it going, but
you won't let anybody build up a sweat. And he
had thirteen carries. CJ. Donaldson only three. James Peoples came
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in and cleaned up. At the end, Isaiah West had won.
I don't know that you're going to get anybody going
and really in a forty two three game, and there's
gonna be more forty two three games. It's this. I
don't think it's important, but still you would like to
see some domination of the running game. And you saw
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they went over to against what Ohio and of course Grambling,
but against Minnesota is one hundred and thirty three yards
against Minnesota equal to like, what's that mean for next
week against Illinois? Because I don't think it means more, No,
it doesn't. They're more serious about it, and they had
a whole run.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right, it doesn't mean more against Illinois. I think Illinois. Well,
it might mean more against Illinois because Illinois might decide
to take away the pass instead of the run, and
then you know, this is not a concern to me
right now, but I would also kind of like to have,
you know, the drive where they they run the ball
for eight yards and then they run the ball for
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six yards and then the band plays that song that
sounds like a train, and then they run for eight
yards again and then and it's just you kind of
get the ball roll and like they had twenty twenty three,
they had a drive right after halftime, I think up
in ann Arbor where it was like chip training was
in and they just were like boom boom, boom, boom
boom right down the field and then they stopped doing it.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
But you'd like to see that type of drive, just
sort of know that it's in there, because you really
haven't seen it. You've seen the bo Jackson sixty four
yard run and that's great, Like I'm sure they would
take one of those two, but you'd kind of like
to see at some point them have just the six yards,
eight yards, five yards, nine yards, four yards.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Seven yard. I mean, just kind of just methodical boom
boom boom, maybe run a little tempo.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
They didn't have to do that today, so they didn't
do that today. Do you think that's in there or
do you think this is a they haven't done it
because they can't necessarily do that right now, or they
can't do that, or they don't feel real confident that
they can do that well.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Ryan Days said today that they don't save things for
other teams, but they also don't break everything out for
one particular team. So I think there's still I know
there's still more to the running game, and it is
a long season. And they ran them ball pretty well
into playoffs when they need it to. Texas held them,
but they went over twittered against Notre Dame in the
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championship games. So they they say some things and we'll
see what kind of flourish is like having Cardell Tight
in the backfield twice today where he was available to
be a pitch man if needed at some point. It
was interesting there. So they're still adding two things. I
don't know. We'll see what the breakdowns are. Twelve and
thirteen personnel. You know, they scored fourteen as well, but
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it's they still.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Super chat from Mike Farno. I'm very sorry about messing
up your name, Tom. It's actually I think it's funnier.
We should just have Like if you me calling me
Tim is good, making the same type of your name
and calling me tiny, that's better.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I'm just I'm not. I'm just I'm not, you know,
threatening it I'm just saying, listen, if you understand Tom.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's where that's if you understand super chats.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yes, fun fact, Patricia and o'hioskated given up a fewer
points through five games than Knowles gave up in the
first half alone to UCLA today.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
That was twenty seven points to UCLA.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And to be fair, I believe you CLA is really
good this year.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I mean of all their wins this year, that was
certainly the best one today.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Feel like we need to have the One bad game
does not mean Jim Knowles is a bad defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Jim Knowles.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
You look at the track record for Jim Knowles over
multiple stops and multiple school wolves in ohiosday and you know,
I know every time a coach leaves immediately they are
a bomb like And believe me, we will let you
know when a coach leaves and they are in bomb.
We have we have had that conversation for Jim Knowles.
Jim Noles is a great defensive coordinator. That was a
full system failure for Penn State. That was that was
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not just offense, that was not just defense, that was
not just special teams, that was not just coaching. That
was just you know, like the you know, the end
of the matrix where he like basically like.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Shuts it down and just like everything just kind of goes.
That was Penn State.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Football today should get a half a win. Oh, one
hundred percent. Yeah, that's the organ. His organ has now
beaten Penn State one and a half times.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So yes, and you know, we don't need to spend
forty five minutes on Penn State.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I'm sure the audience wouldn't mind if we did, but we.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Could certainly talk about it throughout the show. But that
was we were doing something. I was doing something and
I checked the score. It was like seventeen three or
seventeen seven. I was like, what the you know, like
cussing out a lot, like somebody just assaulted me. And
it's like then you just keep watching it. It just
gets worse and worse. And then that last play, James Franklin,
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no matter the offensive coordinator, whoever's calling plays for him,
cannot help but do some sort of a quarterback running
back mesh what you need like five yards? They only
needed to this and it's like they just can't get
out of their own way with this, whether it's and
there was no Joey Bosa, there was no Sam Hupp,
There's no jt twey Bolow how to blow this thing up.
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It was Ucla dudes doing it, and they absolutely blow
it up.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Well they that that play, that last play looked like
Techmo Super Bowl where the defense guesses your play and
it's just like, how are there nine guys on holp
of my quarterback?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And an eighth of a second? That was That was
UCLA's defense. And yeah, Penn State is they have found
a way to lose the last two games and very
different games and very different atmospheres and very different opponents,
and boy, they have found a way to lose both
of those games.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, and that I think that loss helped maybe Ohio
State focused a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Oh I think that.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I think that was the difference between Ohio State maybe
coming out a little slow and Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I mean they did fall behind three nothing, It's not
like they didn't. They came out and just womped them.
But Ohio State is just very no nonsense. This was
Ohio State was more talented than Minnesota, and Ohio State
said I step on your head for four quarters and
that's it. And it was just it was just like yeah,
just yeah, it was It was as just okay, you
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down there. They missed a field goal in the being drive, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
A couple uh a couple of punts surrounding halftime, and
then touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. It was just bum never never
a doubt and that you know, we probably can we
move on to the Ohio State defense.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Like we've talked about the Penn State. Well, it gets
super much. Jordan chap Capital before that, Jordan Caplo, super chat.
Would it calls a tear in the fabric of time
and space if there was a team coach by both
Steve Sarkisian and James Franklin, specifically the second half versions
of them, Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
We probably need to have the Steve Sarkisian. Steve Sarkisian
comma quarterback guru probably needs to get put on the
shelf for a little while because it is not it
is that has not been a thing for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
No, it has it. And he said, only you know,
two of the all time greatest quarterback prospects to work with,
and maybe James Franklin is coaching waiting at Texas. You know,
did it worked well at Maryland, but he was way
back in the day.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Maybe Clark Lee gets the Texas job and then James
Franklin goes back to Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Who says, no, Vanderbilt, Yeah, maybe Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeahye, vander Kevin says James Franklin to UCLA.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Here's I tweeted this out.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
The Bruins can win with him in the building.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
We know that James Franklin's first twelve years maybe not
including this loss, and I think it maybe did include
this loss, but his first twelve years at Penn State
are better than Joe Paterno's first twelve years into Big
Ten and his last twelve years into Big Ten. Now
that's like a you know, it's like eighteen years or
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so that he was in the Big Ten, but his
winning percentage is better than Paterno both times. So Joe
Patterno's heyday, including the ninety four you know, the ninety
fourteen was really really good, but the other times what
they were good was all like independent. You know, when
they're making up their schedule, they're playing Temple three times
a year, they played Penn four times a year, and
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that was pre that's no longer modern football back when
Penn State was an independent, So since modern football, James
Franklin has been better than Joe Paterno. Now, I say
that because Joe Berterno did Joe Paterno get them as
high as they could be when they joined the Big Ten?
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Like is there still room there? Or is James Franklin
getting them to the final four last year? Like can
they win a national championship? I didn't think Michigan could.
Michigan found a way to do that. I think that
they also were helped by one of the weaker final fours,
among other things, other things, But to do that in
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a twelve team playoff. Penn State was very close to
making it to the championship game last year.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yes, yes they were.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
And but to get to the semi final they played
SMU and Boise State, which is you know, that was
the absolute perfect season for Penn State because they reached
the semi finals, they went to the Big Ten championship game,
they had a reasonable performance of the Big Ten Championship game,
and no one changed their opinion on James Franklin won
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IOTA because it was like, yeah, they made it.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
He made the he made the college football Playoff semi finals.
Who did he beat to get there? Well, and you know,
you look at you look at Penn State. You're talking
about the you know, the ninety four Penn State team.
They had some great teams in the late nineties to
ninety seven, that team that beat Ohio State thirty one
to twenty seven in Happy Valley ninety nine. They were
the number one team in the country for a while.
I think they played have lost of Minnesota and that
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was boting, but that was out of the blue. I
just I just pulled, yeah, I have that up. They'd
lost twenty four to twenty three to Minnesota. Actually, but yeah,
but the ninety seven team, the ninety eight team, the
ninety nine team, they all lost three games. So James
Franklin losing two games a season, that's actually an improvement
in some ways. Now it's boring, it's stale now. And
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now if you were bored of that, well, good news,
he's got a whole new thing for you.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And Joe Paterno did beat Ohio State from time to time.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yes, which state in ninety seven and two thousand and five,
nineteen ninety four, So they got.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
That, and that's something that James Franklin. Frankly has it,
and so I understand all of the frustration. What I
would say is recognize who you are.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, well I don't know that. I don't know
when Penn State fans are going to get to acceptance.
I'm going to guess they're still an anger right now.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yes, they very much in anger. The last time, I
think the last time a top ten team lost to
an unranked team the Big Ten was maybe like one
of these stats. The last time was the Franklin the
ninth overtime game that we watched.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Indiana, Indiana and one.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Almost almost getting late for the for the game because
we're just sitting in a hotel watching all of these overtimes.
So some rarefied air as James Franklin joins James Franklin.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should get back to Ohio State,
because sure there was They also played a football game
today of you know, less consequence than the Penn State one,
but not that you would have expected that beforehand. The
Ohio State defense, yeah, man, oh man, the Ohio State
defense and Penn State Minnesota is.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Limited.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Minnesota is they are and is what it is kind
of team and we watched Minnesota play Rutgers last week
and came away very impressed with Drake Lindsay And he
completed eighty percent of his passes or whatever it was
and three hundred and forty one yards and a couple
of touchdowns, and Jalen Smith had a seventy four yarder,
and you know, he is like, oh boy, they they
they have some weapons there.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
They can't run the ball at all. They couldn't run
the ball at all against.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Rutgers, and we knew they weren't gonna be able to
run the ball all against Ohio State, but they couldn't
throw the ball either.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
They couldn't do anything against this defense. And you mentioned
the opening drive, thirteen plays.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Sixty six yards on the opening possession. The next that
got you.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Through the first half of the first quarter.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
After that, three plays eight yards, three plays two yards,
five places nineteen yards, three plays negative six yards, five
plays seventeen yards, three plays no yards, three plays negative
one yards. And then in the fourth quarter when they
got to you know, when it got into the fourth
quarter and Ohio State had you know, officially made them
go squish.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It was you know, it's thirty five to three.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
And at that point, Yeah, they put together ten plays
fifty two yards, five twenty nine off the clock of just.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Kind of they were in no hurry. The game was
long over at that point, and it was just kind
of okay, well, and then they ran the ball and
it was you know, congratulations, great job the Ohio State defense.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I keep waiting for someone to go, aha, we have
you know, Matt Patricia has run out of tricks or
someone has figured out, okay, well here's you know.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Okay, now you've seen it, and you okay.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Now you know when he does this, I mean, he
does not seem to have run out of tricks, and
he does not seem to have run out of good
football player.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I was just counting up the passing stats in that
first drive. I believe Drake Lidzi threw for sixty five
yards on that first drive. Oh, sixty six yards.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Sixty six yards on the first drive, twenty eight yards
the rest of the game. That's in the last three
and a half quarters. Twenty eight yards passing.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
That's pretty good. That's great. That's a good defense. And
the coverage was there. It's not like he was constantly pressured.
But the way these guys are covering right now has
been very impressive. There's no where to throw the ball
for the most part, and you can't be so accurate
that you're dropping dimes because there are no you know,
(22:55):
there's no room for the dime, right. It's the smallest
coin and there's no room for it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Right. Yeah, there was, there was.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
There was nothing for long stretches, and Minnesota basically had
you know, they couldn't run the ball for the first
you know, there was like after that first drive. I
think there was one point where Ohio State had.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know, Ohio State had not.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Run the ball particularly well, but the rushing guard, which
was like forty to six, you know, Minnesota couldn't run.
And it wasn't like Ohio State was piling up a
ton of sacks. It was just they couldn't run the
ball at all. But on the other hand, they couldn't
throw the ball at all. So it's impossible to say
where they at a good night or not.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
They could put because that Australian dude was booming them
a couple of times. But yeah, this was just a
complete suffocation, an annihilation.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I want to get to one of the PJ flex soundbites.
Real quickly here and we're gonna this is the one
that is PJ flex on Ohio State defense. That's the
that's the first one we're going to get to. This
was you know, he was asked sort of you know, hey, what.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Was this was this a good exp offense basically, and
you know, the ends are turned into him talking about
Matt Patrician and the Ohio State defense. So let's let's
let you hear a little bit from UH and PJ.
Flick is a little bit for both. So this is
this answer kind of goes awhile and drifts in a
couple different directions, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I mean, that's that's one of the best defenses I've
ever seen in thirteen years. And I mean that because
I never met coach Patricia. I got a chance to
see him after the game. But it's not just the
players and the depth that's exceptional. I mean, that's that's
off the charts. That's some of the best I've seen.
But it's the schematic pieces that make it so complex,
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where every single play is a different front structure, blitz structure,
coverage structure. Now in the second half, they went more
to you know, one rat and they could do that.
We weren't able to create any separation and they could
stop the run. So I mean, but it was that
was pretty dominating, that's for sure. Yeah, really good players,
they got a really good scheme. They complement each other
very well, and they put you in that phone booth.
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I mean, we knew that. That's why I went for
it on fourth down. It was fourteen three at the time.
I mean, fourth and one, guys, I can punt it,
but would you rather have a ninety yard touchdown or
a chance to get a first down? I think they
showed that the rest of the game, So I mean
I knew that prior to maybe that happening. You know,
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we're the one studying the film for sixty seven hours
seventy hours a week, so I knew that was going
to be something we had to aggressively go do. And
fourteen three, I mean, it's a huge call in the game,
but it's the right call because we punt it. I mean,
they didn't turn the ball overall game. They might go
ninety and they showed that they could do that in
five six plays anyway, So I had to give something
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to our football team. It wasn't like fourth and four,
fourth and one, and we've we're going to learn from it,
get better and got to be able to get that.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So I like that. I thought it was weird that
he was all defensive about it.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I don't know that anyone is going to look at
that and go, well, why would you go for that?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Why would you not punt and play field position? Like
if you watch the game, you know the answer to that.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
So I thought that was a little odd, like he
was anticipating people jumping him for that. But you know
the stuff he said at the beginning, But you have
to defense and Patricia and the players. It's just a
lot of that press conference was kind of like just
a big shrug emoji. Yeah, yeah, and what do you
want me to do? Did you just see the game?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah? And just how you said when we started, this
was the game that we all expected. I think this
is very much the game that he expected as well.
So what am I supposed to do? So? Yeah, you
had an opportunity on at fourteen to three on that
fourth down to get something that didn't work. Yeah, most
of the stuff's not going to work because that's just
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the situation you're in. It is interesting to hear other
coaches talk about the way Ohio stat is putting their
defense on the field and the NFL nature of it.
And we've seen she could do that for a few
years now with with their Baltimore Ravens tie ins and
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Ohio State doing that with Matt Patricia, and it's I
don't want to say it's a decided schematic advantage, especially
given the New England Patriots tree, but everybody that comes
into contact with this Ohio State defense has telling you
it's like, first you got the players, yeah, then you've
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got the scheme, then you've got the tying the two together.
And quarterback is always confused, and the offensive line is
always confused, and it continues to be oppressive to watch.
And we are still in the early stages of this defense.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Right And that's the thing that's that's crazy, is this
is the first week of October. It's yeah, they're through five.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Games now, and so you're almost, you know, after next week,
you're halfway through the regular season, but you could have
four even five more games after that. You could be
less than the third of the way through the entire
season right now. And when you look at how much
different stuff they've rolled out and how everyone they've been
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catching everyone on their back foot.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You know it was this was.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Very clearly Ohio State had better players you could have.
You could have a bad defensive coordinator and still win
this game because you have far better players than Minnesota does.
But they have caught everyone off on their back foot.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know, pj FA.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
You heard them say, They're like, you're watching seventy hours
of film a week. It's not like that. This was
like blah blah blah blah. They get a new coordinator.
Oh so they bring something different. Net they know they've
seen it. They've watched and I'm sure they've gone back
and watched hours and hours and hours of Patricia in
the NFL, and hours and hours and hours of other
Belichick Tree guys to try and get a sense for
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what to expect. Last last week.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Jed Fish in Washington, their defensive fortnitor last year was
literally Steve Belichick. You know they they have you know,
they they have all the Belichick Tree knowledge in that building.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
And you saw how much good it did them. They've
given up zero touchdowns in the last two weeks.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
They gave up the one kind of fluky one to
Ohio and before that they gave up the one in
kind of not quite garbage time, but kind of you know,
it wasn't garbage time, but it was fourteen nothing, and
it was in the final four minutes of the game
where you're playing probably a little more conservatively because you're
just trying to keep it in front of you. That's
the list of touchdowns, end of list. It's you know,
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it's Ryan Day's line about the punt reel for Washington,
like it didn't take long to go through their punt reel.
They'd only punted twice all year. Well, it doesn't take
long to go through the opponent touchdown reel for Ohio State,
there's only been two.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, and Lorenzo Styles is right there, Jamade Matthews is
right there. Yeah, I'll the touchdown to Texas.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
So they've been you could call it scheme, you could
say whatever. It's all of it. The talent is there,
and part of that talent getting out of Jackson goes
down again. I assumed. I don't know, because I couldn't
really see. It looked like he was a little wobbly.
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I don't know if he banged his head on the
hitting the quarterback, which strange to see that happen. But
if that's a second possible slight concussion of some sort,
that's you know, that's a concern moving forward for him.
But you know, other than that, overall, there was what's
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the worst thing that happened to the defense today? I
don't know not you know, they were they were point
on point the entire time.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I had someone say that it was maybe a stinger
and not a concussion, which it could be. He just
he looked unsteady on his feet, So whichever one it was, Yeah,
if that was, that was about the worst thing that
happened to the defense.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
The stinger would make more sense because he hit his
shoulder on the quarterback and you don't really see somebody
get their bell rung by hitting the quarterback that way.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
And he was out there, you know, they took his helmet,
which is what they would do probably for either of those.
So I don't know that that's useful information other than
he wasn't gonna come back, and we knew he wasn't
gonna come back. He came back out after halftime without
shoulder pads on, like he was very clearly done for
the day.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
But no up, no update.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Okay, well that's again, that's that's that's information that doesn't
tell us anything because they don't generally provide updates on
any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
But yeah, the defense on the whole just was was
very good.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Again, and we've done a lot of this talking about
like good players and Matt Patricia's scheme, but I think
the players deserve some credit for how well they're executing
the scheme. And you know, this is not you're you're
doing stuff that's different and new and maybe a little
more complicated than what's been done in the past, and
the players have just absorbed all and to your point,
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they've given up two touchdowns and it wasn't like, well,
they had one spectacular bust where every you know, all
the players were running in the wrong direction and three
guys ran out of bounds and no, it's been you know,
the throw the touchdown pass against Texas, Jermaine Matthews, to
your point, was right there.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I mean, miss missed the ball by six inches or
something like that. And then Lorenzo Styles was right there
and just didn't get the guy on the ground, and
you know, and then it turned into an extended play.
But it wasn't that wasn't a ball thrown unto the
endzone either.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
That was a ball thrown a thirty five yard line
where you thought maybe they'd get him down. And then
you see what happens to teams when they get into
the red zone. No one has scored in the red
zone against all a faket this year. I scored a
touchdown agains, So I mean that that's insane.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's it's early October and they haven't played nobody, they haven't,
you know, I think I think the Texas game is
starting to take on a little bit of a different
look than it had week one. But you you know,
you Washington is a solid football team. Ohio is you know,
if they're a MAC team, but they're a solid football team.
Texas is not. Texas is not terrible. Texas is not
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number one in the nation like they were coming in,
but they're not terrible.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Mini Soda is not a great team. But Minnesota's fine.
Minnesota is going to go to a bowl game this year.
I think I called them the most seven and five
coded team in the history of college football, and they're
going to go seven and five this year, and they're going.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
To go to a ball game and they'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
And I mean Ohio State hasn't just like oh they
beat them, like raced Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
That was that was just that was a team that's
going to go to a bowl game.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
That was just like they could have saved a lot
of time lot by just not getting on the airplane
and just saying like yeah, well, I mean forty two
three will take it, yeah right, yeah, yeah, just it's fine,
we'll low, We'll take that. We have not yet talked
about Carnal tape or any in any great detail.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
The Carnival tap game, but it was it was.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
The Cardinal tap game in the early part of the
second quarter, and then he kept going.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, no, he had like one hundred and fifteen or
a hundred forty one hundred and fifty yards receiving about
halfway through the second quarter, and it looked like maybe
they're going to try to get up two hundred and
the second half there. It didn't quite happen, but nine
for one eighty three, one touchdown. As we said, forty
four yard or forty eight yard or forty nine yarder
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ted targets, i'd catches. You'll take that kind of actual Yeah, every.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Sixteenth sixteenth best wide receiver performance in terms of receiving
yards with one eighty three.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
That is uh, that is pretty darn good. That actually
is gonna flow very nicely. I think graphics says, pick
your poison. That is going to flow very nicely into
the other PJ flex SoundBite that I wanted to get to.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Uh. And this is so this one is titled PJ.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Fleck on Past Defense Issues, and he was sort of asked,
you know, like, hey, what.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
What what wrong for your past defense?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
And this is another one where it's long and it
kind of goes a couple of different places, but he's
his press conferences are like, you're gonna you're gonna walk
out of there going, well, I know what that guy
thinks like he is, he is not going to sugarcoat it.
He's going to kind of tell you so, uh, okay, PJ.
Fleck won't wank wrong with your past defense.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I'm not sure if it's necessarily past defense issues rather
than just they have really good players, then they force
you into doing something that makes you one dimensional. Pick
your poison. You'd be sitting here asking me the same
question of why we gave up nine yards or carry
it is what it is, and you're going back and forth,
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and when you're getting pressure on the quarterback, you can
get some sacks in that situation, it would help. We
just weren't able to get any pressure on the quarterback.
So it's top down, right, So it works all eleven
guys working cohesively. It's not just pass defense or pass
coverage or the corners or the safeties. We didn't get
any pressure on the quarterback, which allowed those guys to
run down the field, which allowed the quarterback to throw
the ball unpressured, you know, fifty sixty yards down the field,
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the two first round draft picks. I mean, if you
could throw the ball sixty yards, you could probably do
that with no like, nobody pressuring you like. And that's
why it's all eleven working together. And again, I mean
it didn't matter what we called. They executed against every
single call we made, so whether it was against the
run or whether it was against to pass. So you
got to give them credit too. This isn't like I'm
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sitting here saying, oh we like I said, we screwed
it up, and they were better than us.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
They were better than Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
PJ flected seemed to find a fault with the Ohio
State's running game. He seemed to like whatever they did
it was, it was good enough. The super chat that
just went away from Rob h In hindsight, do you
think Ryan Day is wishing he had taken a harder
look at Twitter before hiring mad Patricia? Great question, great question.
(36:38):
Why the crowd source reactions or possible reactions float to
balloon like Ryan, they should just tweet out hey, like
thinking about some names maybe like a Matt Patricia, what's
the what's the vibe? Vibe check? What is it? How
you feel about that? Would you like that? And that's
one of those where you just you tweet it and
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then you closed mentions like oh yeah, yeah, walk Twitter.
That's what it would have been like.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Well, if you look back at some of the additions
at Ohio State has made, both through the transfer portal
and in terms of coaching staffs, Bill O'Brien was everyone
kind of went, why on earth would you do that?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
This is a terrible idea.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
And Bill o'briand wasn't here long enough to to, uh,
you know, have a have any kind of a track record,
really positive or negative.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
But he's gone on and he's done fine at Boston College.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Will Howard, when Will Howard came to Ohio State, Why
is Ohio State taking in the runner up in the
Kansas State quarterback Derby? And you know why is o'his
you know, Philip Daniels. I mean my expectation was, I mean, yeah, sure,
bring him in, why not?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
But but he's not gonna play this year. And then
you Josh Simmons with.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
San Diego State's right tackle, it's going to be your
left tackle.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Well, san Diego State's left right tackle who had the
PFF graide of you know, like yeah, yeah, he was
basically the the PFF equivalent of maybe get a crocodile.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And spelling like it was. It was a disaster, and
he had like the most penalized guy.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
And you're taking the right tackle from San Diego State
who can't stop fall, starting and holding, and you're gonna
make you know, lol, he's gonna And then yeah, it
turns out it was fine.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Like it's I think at this.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Point you kind of have to look at Mark Pantoni
in the personnel department and go, you know what, I
think these guys might know what they're doing, and you
kind of have to look at Ryan Day. Not everyone hits.
You know, you're you're never going to bat a thousand
on assistant coach riers and on coordinator hires and all
that kind of stuff. And Ryan Day has not batted
a thousand on it. Nick Saban had some clunkers, Urban
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Meyer had some clunkers. I mean, the greatest coaches in
the world are not going to bat a thousand on it.
But of anyone, I think Urban I think Ryan Day
deserves about as much benefit of the doubt on any
of this stuff as as anyone. I mean, the last
the last two defensive coordinator hires have worked out really well.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
And you know, well, we'll see they could give up.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Forty two points in Georgia to playoff this year and
then and then everyone's an idiot again. But so far,
I mean, it's it's hard to look at the trend
line of the Jim Knowles three years and then the
early returns on Matt Patricia and not think well, I mean,
Brian Day, yes, he knows offense, but what does he
know about defense and hiring a good defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
He's three or four, Yeah, he's batt in seven to fifty.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, So I think that's that's better than most head coaches.
Jim Trussell had some cloker assistant coaches, defensive coordinators, Mark Snyder.
That that lasted one year, where like why don't you
uh Marshall's colleague. Yes, yeah, we called Marshall for you
things like that, but he would keep his assistant, his
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offensive assistance forever. Yeah, yeah, forever other than like the
good one.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, well yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
You know you go through the Ed Warren Er Tim
becky year or years with uh with Urban, I mean,
that was that was one that worked until it didn't.
Like they had they head back to back sixty two
point games and then a zero point game that was
just a couple of weeks after that, I mean, and
didn't didn't do much against Michigan that year. And I
mean the score looks impressive when you get you add
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in a double overtime and you add in the Malie
Hooker interception return, but the offense didn't do a whole
heck of a lot there either.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
So you know Urban, you know Urban, Urban had some
good and some bad. Ryan Day his head. Ryan Day's
doing pretty pretty darn well with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Right now. Last thing for me, Julian's say it will
improve his seventy percent completion percentage with his twenty three
of twenty seven for eighty five percent completion percentage through
to twenty six yards, three touchdowns odd point. Again, really
really impressive, and he is because I think he's this
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third three hundred yard game and five games, it seems
like he's in full control and it looks like looks
like a guy that you could win with.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Oh yeah, I think you've seen I think across the
sport right now, how many like great national championship, like
legitimate national championship. Not any obvious flaw kind of teams
are there? Not Not that Ohio State's a perfect team.
They're certainly not. And I you know, you like, as
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we said earlier, you'd like to see them able to
run them all a little better.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
They so, so it's not, you know, these are not
perfect teams, but these are there's not an obvious like,
oh boy, that's you know, that's really this specific thing
is going to lose them a game at some point
in the CFB. I think Ohio State, I think Oregon,
Oregon I think is probably in that conversation. Lord help me,
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I'm about to say the name Miami Hurricanes. I think
I'm out of teams. I mean, there there are other
teams that, you know, another a team outside of that
group of three could win the national championship. I have
not said any SEC teams in that list, And undoubtedly
someone from the SEC.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Will get hot at some point and will be.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
You know, but but you can look at Georgia, and
you can look at Alabama, and you can kind of
go like.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I don't Texas, like you just lost to Florida, lsu like.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Everybody's waiting for job but Tier to come back for Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Right yeah, And and Oklahoma, Oklahoma with John Mittier looked
very good against Michigan. But when you look at Julian saying,
to bring this back to your point, he's doing what
you need.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Him to do.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
I don't you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna sound a
lot like Brian Day here, Julian saying right now is
not good enough to win the national championship. Julian saying
with a progression that is sort of a you know,
following the trend line of what you've already seen from
him this year and just sort of you know, you
don't need like and then a miracle happens.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
He just needs to continue to.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Grow and develop and learn and get better, and you know,
they need to run the ball a little better and
all that kind of stuff. This is an Ohist team
that can win the national championship. I'm I came into
this year thinking, well, they're not gonna win the national
championship this year, but they should, you know, make the playoff.
This is an ohiost team to win the national championship.
I'm not saying they're going to, right, but I don't
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have any doubt in my mind that this is an
Ohio state team that could win the national championship.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, I think we've seen that suggests that they couldn't,
But everything that we've seen suggests that they just might.
But there are still plenty of games to play, so
I think that will do it. If we're all cut
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Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Hey Tom, how's it.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Going, Tony?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
That was.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
About as exactly.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
As I've expected a football game to play out as
a football game has played out in a long time.
I think when Minnesota won the toss took the ball,
I'm like, oh, they've got something here. They they think
they've got something. And then they went down and they
kicked the field goal. I was like, oh, oh, okay,
you and I both picked Minnesota score exactly three points.
(00:37):
And that was the moment that I was like, I
bet we're both going to be exactly right. I think
that was it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That was their punch and they took their swing, and
it was like, well, good try. We'll see you next week.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Did you try to avoid the shutout and they just
run the clock out from there? Yeah? That was a
drive where let's see what happens after the script is done,
and we did. And frankly, once you get into the
red zone, that now the real trouble begins against the
Ohio State defense. Forty two three for the Black Guys
top second week in a row. Ohio State opponent is
(01:06):
what for eleven or third downs? Does that have anything
to do with our good defenses?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
You know we have We'll have some sound bites later
on in the show from PJ.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Fleck.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
We got to take just a little bit of PJ
flex press conference before Ryan Day came in, and you
sort of got a sense for the general tone of
his comments, which was basically, you know, we got a
good football team. The problem is that's an incredible football team.
I think he the word he used was an exceptional.
We got a really good football team. That's an exceptional
(01:37):
football team. And it's really you know, this is kind
of James Franklin Saturday, and this is like the James
Franklin postgame press conference where he's like, we're great, we
needed to be elite. Minnesota was really good, which is great,
not great, but they're really good. But it was like
it was very clear they were completely outclass, Like Vegas
got whooped on the line of scrimmage, and Fleck talked
(02:00):
about the fact that they were down what fourteen to three,
and he went forward on fourth and one in their
own end and he basically, you know, this is one
of these soundbites you'll hear later but he basically said, yeah, man,
what do you want me to do? Like, I can
punt it and then they're just going to have a
ninety yard touchdown drive instead of a forty five yard
touchdown drive. That doesn't really accomplish anything. Give it a shot.
You lost to the line of scrimmage. Ohio State won
(02:21):
that play. Ohio State just kind of dominated the game.
We do have a super chat. We got to punch
up here, Mike Frino, says Tom tim Tony. You have
heard of the backup quarterback is better than the starter controversy,
but even heard of the backup offensive line is better
than the starting offensive line controversy slash sarcasm.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, well, we did see Josh Badia going the right
guard this week instead of Ethan for a moment or two.
We saw more more for like one snap after ter
Daniels lost his helmet, tours old helmet off?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Is that what happened? Yes, his helmet popped off and
there wasn't a flag, And I thought that was weird.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, I think it's just you know, he did it
on his own. Maybe, But yeah, I mean what we
need to see more from the offensive line because we
still need to see more from the Running Game and
the breakdown thirteen for sixty three for Bo Jackson. You
saw James People's tear it up late at the end.
That was good to see some confidence building, certainly for him.
(03:21):
But thirty carries for one hundred and thirty three yards
four point four yards per carry, it's not very good yet.
It's not good yet. It's above average to average right now,
I would say average. It's not above average. It's just
it's there as a it's there to prop up to
pass the game so that you don't just become like
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this this pass happy thing right now now, Bo Jackson
long of ten average five yards carry four point eight.
It's effective enough and I think everybody expects that he
will continue to do well, but they need more. And
I don't know. Just one hundred and thirty three yards
does not do anything for me when you those came
up like the last two drives.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Right and I think Minnesota kind of this is something
else here in more detail from PJ. Fleck about later
in the show, I think Minnesota just kind of had
to pick their poison and they you know, I can
I can just reach you. The yards per play here,
yards per rush four point four yards per We have
yards per completion, and that's fourteen point two. An United
(04:25):
State completed about ninety roughly percent of their passes, so
basically fourteen you know, fourteen yards per pass, four yards
per rush.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You can guess which poison Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Pet Yes, still dead late, Yes, and it was the hemlock.
It was the Cardinal tape poison. Nine for one eighty three.
You have catches of forty four, forty eight, forty.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Nine that would have been a real good goal prediction.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Three sequential catches of more than forty yards.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
That would have been a three parter. Got to see
this is Max Claire's best game was a buck eye
five catches, sixty three yard cards. He was he got
to be used more than just on the sideline. Immediately
step out of bounce because the throw is heading you
that way. So they used to some good ways. Jeremiah
Smith gets his customary two touchdowns. I thought this may
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have been This may have been Julian Saying's best game
throwing the ball because he was I don't know if
he took it personally that some people were calling out
as deep passing recently, but he was. He was on
point This was Tim May said, and we were talking
to you know, we always bound stuff back and forth.
He's like, uh, you know because he asked Julia, Julie,
you really had a zip on your fastball, you know,
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and then we were talking about that during the game.
It's like, this looked like a very strong quarterback showing
off his arm.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, the throws were there, there was not a lot
of There was one.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Where Tate was kind of behind the defender and kind
of had to slow down. You know, it was a
bad throw and I'm doing the airplants where he had
to come back and instead of a touchdown, it was
merely a forty whatever yard completion, which is you know,
if that's if that's bad, there are a lot of
people that would sign up for bad. But it felt
like this was you kind of had the Okay, you're
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going to show something else. And I don't know if
that's Julian taking it personally necessarily as much as Ohio State,
the offensive coaching staff wants to show that, Okay, they
can do this, they can do that.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You're you're putting some stuff on film.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You're making it so that people can't just well, we're
just going to sit on the three things that.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We know they can do. And so now you're putting
some more stuff on film. And you saw it on
Special teams.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Too, Like you didn't have to do the throwback punt thing,
but the fact that that's out there now, that's.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Certainly going to probably slow down some punt coverages and
spread out some punt coverage a little bit more, which
might open something up later down the road.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
That was a good place because I was watching the
replay way do you'd see like, is Brenda Styles just
hanging out? It's like, no, he ran, he ran, you know,
down there to to to get that throw out his
perfect throw form. Brandon Innis one guy keeps to for
making that a touchdown. So it was good to see.
Actually the special teams won their battle. Which are they
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have five hundred team this year?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
The special teams, they're actually relatively high up in I
think FBI I can pull it up, but they were,
they were. You know, they've made most of their kicks.
And I know Jaden Fielding missed a fifty two yard
or today, but they they've made most of their kicks.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
They haven't had any real debacle plays on special teams
really they've had. You know, they gave up a long
kick return to Washington, but that was a kick turned
out to the forty or whatever it was. It wasn't
a one hundred yard return anything like that.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
They've been fine on special teams, and you know, I
think there was the general reaction to the throwback on
that was, oh, look, they're trying on special teams now,
and it's like, maybe they don't have to.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
This is not team that has to win on special teams.
They just have to not lose a special teams.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, don't don't be a detriment and everything else should
be fine. And even if you are a detriment, and
really that's just gonna be a twenty eight to ten
win instead of a thirty one to three or something
like that. But overall, just a completely dominating effort by
the Buckeyes. We're talking a little bit about the running game,
and Kevin's in the chat asking if people are concerned
(08:13):
about the running game, as Mozart's ghost said, I am
concerned about it. Yes, maybe not if they would give
both twenty five carries. They want to save it for later.
That is one issue I think when you want to
build the running running game and get it going, but
you won't let anybody build up a sweat. And he
had thirteen carries. CJ. Donaldson only three. James Peoples came
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in and cleaned up. At the end, Isaiah West had won.
I don't know that you're going to get anybody going
and really in a forty two three game, and there's
gonna be more forty two three games. It's this. I
don't think it's important, but still you would like to
see some domination of the running game. And you saw
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they went over to against what Ohio and of course Grambling,
but against Minnesota is one hundred and thirty three yards
against Minnesota equal to like, what's that mean for next
week against Illinois? Because I don't think it means more, No,
it doesn't. They're more serious about it, and they had
a whole run.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right, it doesn't mean more against Illinois. I think Illinois. Well,
it might mean more against Illinois because Illinois might decide
to take away the pass instead of the run, and
then you know, this is not a concern to me
right now, but I would also kind of like to have,
you know, the drive where they they run the ball
for eight yards and then they run the ball for
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six yards and then the band plays that song that
sounds like a train, and then they run for eight
yards again and then and it's just you kind of
get the ball roll and like they had twenty twenty three,
they had a drive right after halftime, I think up
in ann Arbor where it was like chip training was
in and they just were like boom boom, boom, boom
boom right down the field and then they stopped doing it.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
But you'd like to see that type of drive, just
sort of know that it's in there, because you really
haven't seen it. You've seen the bo Jackson sixty four
yard run and that's great, Like I'm sure they would
take one of those two, but you'd kind of like
to see at some point them have just the six yards,
eight yards, five yards, nine yards, four yards.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Seven yard. I mean, just kind of just methodical boom
boom boom, maybe run a little tempo.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
They didn't have to do that today, so they didn't
do that today. Do you think that's in there or
do you think this is a they haven't done it
because they can't necessarily do that right now, or they
can't do that, or they don't feel real confident that
they can do that well.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Ryan Days said today that they don't save things for
other teams, but they also don't break everything out for
one particular team. So I think there's still I know
there's still more to the running game, and it is
a long season. And they ran them ball pretty well
into playoffs when they need it to. Texas held them,
but they went over twittered against Notre Dame in the
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championship games. So they they say some things and we'll
see what kind of flourish is like having Cardell Tight
in the backfield twice today where he was available to
be a pitch man if needed at some point. It
was interesting there. So they're still adding two things. I
don't know. We'll see what the breakdowns are. Twelve and
thirteen personnel. You know, they scored fourteen as well, but
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it's they still.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Super chat from Mike Farno. I'm very sorry about messing
up your name, Tom. It's actually I think it's funnier.
We should just have Like if you me calling me
Tim is good, making the same type of your name
and calling me tiny, that's better.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I'm just I'm not. I'm just I'm not, you know,
threatening it I'm just saying, listen, if you understand Tom.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's where that's if you understand super chats.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yes, fun fact, Patricia and o'hioskated given up a fewer
points through five games than Knowles gave up in the
first half alone to UCLA today.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
That was twenty seven points to UCLA.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And to be fair, I believe you CLA is really
good this year.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I mean of all their wins this year, that was
certainly the best one today.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Feel like we need to have the One bad game
does not mean Jim Knowles is a bad defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Jim Knowles.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
You look at the track record for Jim Knowles over
multiple stops and multiple school wolves in ohiosday and you know,
I know every time a coach leaves immediately they are
a bomb like And believe me, we will let you
know when a coach leaves and they are in bomb.
We have we have had that conversation for Jim Knowles.
Jim Noles is a great defensive coordinator. That was a
full system failure for Penn State. That was that was
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not just offense, that was not just defense, that was
not just special teams, that was not just coaching. That
was just you know, like the you know, the end
of the matrix where he like basically like.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Shuts it down and just like everything just kind of goes.
That was Penn State.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Football today should get a half a win. Oh, one
hundred percent. Yeah, that's the organ. His organ has now
beaten Penn State one and a half times.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So yes, and you know, we don't need to spend
forty five minutes on Penn State.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I'm sure the audience wouldn't mind if we did, but we.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Could certainly talk about it throughout the show. But that
was we were doing something. I was doing something and
I checked the score. It was like seventeen three or
seventeen seven. I was like, what the you know, like
cussing out a lot, like somebody just assaulted me. And
it's like then you just keep watching it. It just
gets worse and worse. And then that last play, James Franklin,
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no matter the offensive coordinator, whoever's calling plays for him,
cannot help but do some sort of a quarterback running
back mesh what you need like five yards? They only
needed to this and it's like they just can't get
out of their own way with this, whether it's and
there was no Joey Bosa, there was no Sam Hupp,
There's no jt twey Bolow how to blow this thing up.
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It was Ucla dudes doing it, and they absolutely blow
it up.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Well they that that play, that last play looked like
Techmo Super Bowl where the defense guesses your play and
it's just like, how are there nine guys on holp
of my quarterback?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And an eighth of a second? That was That was
UCLA's defense. And yeah, Penn State is they have found
a way to lose the last two games and very
different games and very different atmospheres and very different opponents,
and boy, they have found a way to lose both
of those games.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, and that I think that loss helped maybe Ohio
State focused a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Oh I think that.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I think that was the difference between Ohio State maybe
coming out a little slow and Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I mean they did fall behind three nothing, It's not
like they didn't. They came out and just womped them.
But Ohio State is just very no nonsense. This was
Ohio State was more talented than Minnesota, and Ohio State
said I step on your head for four quarters and
that's it. And it was just it was just like yeah,
just yeah, it was It was as just okay, you
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down there. They missed a field goal in the being drive, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
A couple uh a couple of punts surrounding halftime, and
then touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. It was just bum never never
a doubt and that you know, we probably can we
move on to the Ohio State defense.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Like we've talked about the Penn State. Well, it gets
super much. Jordan chap Capital before that, Jordan Caplo, super chat.
Would it calls a tear in the fabric of time
and space if there was a team coach by both
Steve Sarkisian and James Franklin, specifically the second half versions
of them, Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
We probably need to have the Steve Sarkisian. Steve Sarkisian
comma quarterback guru probably needs to get put on the
shelf for a little while because it is not it
is that has not been a thing for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
No, it has it. And he said, only you know,
two of the all time greatest quarterback prospects to work with,
and maybe James Franklin is coaching waiting at Texas. You know,
did it worked well at Maryland, but he was way
back in the day.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Maybe Clark Lee gets the Texas job and then James
Franklin goes back to Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Who says, no, Vanderbilt, Yeah, maybe Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeahye, vander Kevin says James Franklin to UCLA.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Here's I tweeted this out.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
The Bruins can win with him in the building.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
We know that James Franklin's first twelve years maybe not
including this loss, and I think it maybe did include
this loss, but his first twelve years at Penn State
are better than Joe Paterno's first twelve years into Big
Ten and his last twelve years into Big Ten. Now
that's like a you know, it's like eighteen years or
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so that he was in the Big Ten, but his
winning percentage is better than Paterno both times. So Joe
Patterno's heyday, including the ninety four you know, the ninety
fourteen was really really good, but the other times what
they were good was all like independent. You know, when
they're making up their schedule, they're playing Temple three times
a year, they played Penn four times a year, and
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that was pre that's no longer modern football back when
Penn State was an independent, So since modern football, James
Franklin has been better than Joe Paterno. Now, I say
that because Joe Berterno did Joe Paterno get them as
high as they could be when they joined the Big Ten?
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Like is there still room there? Or is James Franklin
getting them to the final four last year? Like can
they win a national championship? I didn't think Michigan could.
Michigan found a way to do that. I think that
they also were helped by one of the weaker final fours,
among other things, other things, But to do that in
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a twelve team playoff. Penn State was very close to
making it to the championship game last year.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yes, yes they were.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
And but to get to the semi final they played
SMU and Boise State, which is you know, that was
the absolute perfect season for Penn State because they reached
the semi finals, they went to the Big Ten championship game,
they had a reasonable performance of the Big Ten Championship game,
and no one changed their opinion on James Franklin won
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IOTA because it was like, yeah, they made it.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
He made the he made the college football Playoff semi finals.
Who did he beat to get there? Well, and you know,
you look at you look at Penn State. You're talking
about the you know, the ninety four Penn State team.
They had some great teams in the late nineties to
ninety seven, that team that beat Ohio State thirty one
to twenty seven in Happy Valley ninety nine. They were
the number one team in the country for a while.
I think they played have lost of Minnesota and that
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was boting, but that was out of the blue. I
just I just pulled, yeah, I have that up. They'd
lost twenty four to twenty three to Minnesota. Actually, but yeah,
but the ninety seven team, the ninety eight team, the
ninety nine team, they all lost three games. So James
Franklin losing two games a season, that's actually an improvement
in some ways. Now it's boring, it's stale now. And
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now if you were bored of that, well, good news,
he's got a whole new thing for you.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And Joe Paterno did beat Ohio State from time to time.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yes, which state in ninety seven and two thousand and five,
nineteen ninety four, So they got.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
That, and that's something that James Franklin. Frankly has it,
and so I understand all of the frustration. What I
would say is recognize who you are.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, well I don't know that. I don't know
when Penn State fans are going to get to acceptance.
I'm going to guess they're still an anger right now.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yes, they very much in anger. The last time, I
think the last time a top ten team lost to
an unranked team the Big Ten was maybe like one
of these stats. The last time was the Franklin the
ninth overtime game that we watched.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Indiana, Indiana and one.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Almost almost getting late for the for the game because
we're just sitting in a hotel watching all of these overtimes.
So some rarefied air as James Franklin joins James Franklin.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should get back to Ohio State,
because sure there was They also played a football game
today of you know, less consequence than the Penn State one,
but not that you would have expected that beforehand. The
Ohio State defense, yeah, man, oh man, the Ohio State
defense and Penn State Minnesota is.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Limited.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Minnesota is they are and is what it is kind
of team and we watched Minnesota play Rutgers last week
and came away very impressed with Drake Lindsay And he
completed eighty percent of his passes or whatever it was
and three hundred and forty one yards and a couple
of touchdowns, and Jalen Smith had a seventy four yarder,
and you know, he is like, oh boy, they they
they have some weapons there.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
They can't run the ball at all. They couldn't run
the ball at all against.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Rutgers, and we knew they weren't gonna be able to
run the ball all against Ohio State, but they couldn't
throw the ball either.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
They couldn't do anything against this defense. And you mentioned
the opening drive, thirteen plays.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Sixty six yards on the opening possession. The next that
got you.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Through the first half of the first quarter.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
After that, three plays eight yards, three plays two yards,
five places nineteen yards, three plays negative six yards, five
plays seventeen yards, three plays no yards, three plays negative
one yards. And then in the fourth quarter when they
got to you know, when it got into the fourth
quarter and Ohio State had you know, officially made them
go squish.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It was you know, it's thirty five to three.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
And at that point, Yeah, they put together ten plays
fifty two yards, five twenty nine off the clock of just.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Kind of they were in no hurry. The game was
long over at that point, and it was just kind
of okay, well, and then they ran the ball and
it was you know, congratulations, great job the Ohio State defense.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I keep waiting for someone to go, aha, we have
you know, Matt Patricia has run out of tricks or
someone has figured out, okay, well here's you know.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Okay, now you've seen it, and you okay.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Now you know when he does this, I mean, he
does not seem to have run out of tricks, and
he does not seem to have run out of good
football player.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I was just counting up the passing stats in that
first drive. I believe Drake Lidzi threw for sixty five
yards on that first drive. Oh, sixty six yards.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Sixty six yards on the first drive, twenty eight yards
the rest of the game. That's in the last three
and a half quarters. Twenty eight yards passing.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
That's pretty good. That's great. That's a good defense. And
the coverage was there. It's not like he was constantly pressured.
But the way these guys are covering right now has
been very impressive. There's no where to throw the ball
for the most part, and you can't be so accurate
that you're dropping dimes because there are no you know,
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there's no room for the dime, right. It's the smallest
coin and there's no room for it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Right. Yeah, there was, there was.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
There was nothing for long stretches, and Minnesota basically had
you know, they couldn't run the ball for the first
you know, there was like after that first drive. I
think there was one point where Ohio State had.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know, Ohio State had not.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Run the ball particularly well, but the rushing guard, which
was like forty to six, you know, Minnesota couldn't run.
And it wasn't like Ohio State was piling up a
ton of sacks. It was just they couldn't run the
ball at all. But on the other hand, they couldn't
throw the ball at all. So it's impossible to say
where they at a good night or not.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
They could put because that Australian dude was booming them
a couple of times. But yeah, this was just a
complete suffocation, an annihilation.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I want to get to one of the PJ flex soundbites.
Real quickly here and we're gonna this is the one
that is PJ flex on Ohio State defense. That's the
that's the first one we're going to get to. This
was you know, he was asked sort of you know, hey, what.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Was this was this a good exp offense basically, and
you know, the ends are turned into him talking about
Matt Patrician and the Ohio State defense. So let's let's
let you hear a little bit from UH and PJ.
Flick is a little bit for both. So this is
this answer kind of goes awhile and drifts in a
couple different directions, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I mean, that's that's one of the best defenses I've
ever seen in thirteen years. And I mean that because
I never met coach Patricia. I got a chance to
see him after the game. But it's not just the
players and the depth that's exceptional. I mean, that's that's
off the charts. That's some of the best I've seen.
But it's the schematic pieces that make it so complex,
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where every single play is a different front structure, blitz structure,
coverage structure. Now in the second half, they went more
to you know, one rat and they could do that.
We weren't able to create any separation and they could
stop the run. So I mean, but it was that
was pretty dominating, that's for sure. Yeah, really good players,
they got a really good scheme. They complement each other
very well, and they put you in that phone booth.
(25:02):
I mean, we knew that. That's why I went for
it on fourth down. It was fourteen three at the time.
I mean, fourth and one, guys, I can punt it,
but would you rather have a ninety yard touchdown or
a chance to get a first down? I think they
showed that the rest of the game, So I mean
I knew that prior to maybe that happening. You know,
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we're the one studying the film for sixty seven hours
seventy hours a week, so I knew that was going
to be something we had to aggressively go do. And
fourteen three, I mean, it's a huge call in the game,
but it's the right call because we punt it. I mean,
they didn't turn the ball overall game. They might go
ninety and they showed that they could do that in
five six plays anyway, So I had to give something
(25:44):
to our football team. It wasn't like fourth and four,
fourth and one, and we've we're going to learn from it,
get better and got to be able to get that.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So I like that. I thought it was weird that
he was all defensive about it.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I don't know that anyone is going to look at
that and go, well, why would you go for that?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Why would you not punt and play field position? Like
if you watch the game, you know the answer to that.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
So I thought that was a little odd, like he
was anticipating people jumping him for that. But you know
the stuff he said at the beginning, But you have
to defense and Patricia and the players. It's just a
lot of that press conference was kind of like just
a big shrug emoji. Yeah, yeah, and what do you
want me to do? Did you just see the game?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah? And just how you said when we started, this
was the game that we all expected. I think this
is very much the game that he expected as well.
So what am I supposed to do? So? Yeah, you
had an opportunity on at fourteen to three on that
fourth down to get something that didn't work. Yeah, most
of the stuff's not going to work because that's just
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the situation you're in. It is interesting to hear other
coaches talk about the way Ohio stat is putting their
defense on the field and the NFL nature of it.
And we've seen she could do that for a few
years now with with their Baltimore Ravens tie ins and
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Ohio State doing that with Matt Patricia, and it's I
don't want to say it's a decided schematic advantage, especially
given the New England Patriots tree, but everybody that comes
into contact with this Ohio State defense has telling you
it's like, first you got the players, yeah, then you've
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got the scheme, then you've got the tying the two together.
And quarterback is always confused, and the offensive line is
always confused, and it continues to be oppressive to watch.
And we are still in the early stages of this defense.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Right And that's the thing that's that's crazy, is this
is the first week of October. It's yeah, they're through five.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Games now, and so you're almost, you know, after next week,
you're halfway through the regular season, but you could have
four even five more games after that. You could be
less than the third of the way through the entire
season right now. And when you look at how much
different stuff they've rolled out and how everyone they've been
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catching everyone on their back foot.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You know it was this was.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Very clearly Ohio State had better players you could have.
You could have a bad defensive coordinator and still win
this game because you have far better players than Minnesota does.
But they have caught everyone off on their back foot.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know, pj FA.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
You heard them say, They're like, you're watching seventy hours
of film a week. It's not like that. This was
like blah blah blah blah. They get a new coordinator.
Oh so they bring something different. Net they know they've
seen it. They've watched and I'm sure they've gone back
and watched hours and hours and hours of Patricia in
the NFL, and hours and hours and hours of other
Belichick Tree guys to try and get a sense for
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what to expect. Last last week.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Jed Fish in Washington, their defensive fortnitor last year was
literally Steve Belichick. You know they they have you know,
they they have all the Belichick Tree knowledge in that building.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
And you saw how much good it did them. They've
given up zero touchdowns in the last two weeks.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
They gave up the one kind of fluky one to
Ohio and before that they gave up the one in
kind of not quite garbage time, but kind of you know,
it wasn't garbage time, but it was fourteen nothing, and
it was in the final four minutes of the game
where you're playing probably a little more conservatively because you're
just trying to keep it in front of you. That's
the list of touchdowns, end of list. It's you know,
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it's Ryan Day's line about the punt reel for Washington,
like it didn't take long to go through their punt reel.
They'd only punted twice all year. Well, it doesn't take
long to go through the opponent touchdown reel for Ohio State,
there's only been two.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, and Lorenzo Styles is right there, Jamade Matthews is
right there. Yeah, I'll the touchdown to Texas.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
So they've been you could call it scheme, you could
say whatever. It's all of it. The talent is there,
and part of that talent getting out of Jackson goes
down again. I assumed. I don't know, because I couldn't
really see. It looked like he was a little wobbly.
(30:09):
I don't know if he banged his head on the
hitting the quarterback, which strange to see that happen. But
if that's a second possible slight concussion of some sort,
that's you know, that's a concern moving forward for him.
But you know, other than that, overall, there was what's
(30:32):
the worst thing that happened to the defense today? I
don't know not you know, they were they were point
on point the entire time.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I had someone say that it was maybe a stinger
and not a concussion, which it could be. He just
he looked unsteady on his feet, So whichever one it was, Yeah,
if that was, that was about the worst thing that
happened to the defense.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
The stinger would make more sense because he hit his
shoulder on the quarterback and you don't really see somebody
get their bell rung by hitting the quarterback that way.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
And he was out there, you know, they took his helmet,
which is what they would do probably for either of those.
So I don't know that that's useful information other than
he wasn't gonna come back, and we knew he wasn't
gonna come back. He came back out after halftime without
shoulder pads on, like he was very clearly done for
the day.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
But no up, no update.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Okay, well that's again, that's that's that's information that doesn't
tell us anything because they don't generally provide updates on
any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
But yeah, the defense on the whole just was was
very good.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Again, and we've done a lot of this talking about
like good players and Matt Patricia's scheme, but I think
the players deserve some credit for how well they're executing
the scheme. And you know, this is not you're you're
doing stuff that's different and new and maybe a little
more complicated than what's been done in the past, and
the players have just absorbed all and to your point,
(31:52):
they've given up two touchdowns and it wasn't like, well,
they had one spectacular bust where every you know, all
the players were running in the wrong direction and three
guys ran out of bounds and no, it's been you know,
the throw the touchdown pass against Texas, Jermaine Matthews, to
your point, was right there.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I mean, miss missed the ball by six inches or
something like that. And then Lorenzo Styles was right there
and just didn't get the guy on the ground, and
you know, and then it turned into an extended play.
But it wasn't that wasn't a ball thrown unto the
endzone either.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
That was a ball thrown a thirty five yard line
where you thought maybe they'd get him down. And then
you see what happens to teams when they get into
the red zone. No one has scored in the red
zone against all a faket this year. I scored a
touchdown agains, So I mean that that's insane.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's it's early October and they haven't played nobody, they haven't,
you know, I think I think the Texas game is
starting to take on a little bit of a different
look than it had week one. But you you know,
you Washington is a solid football team. Ohio is you know,
if they're a MAC team, but they're a solid football team.
Texas is not. Texas is not terrible. Texas is not
(32:56):
number one in the nation like they were coming in,
but they're not terrible.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Mini Soda is not a great team. But Minnesota's fine.
Minnesota is going to go to a bowl game this year.
I think I called them the most seven and five
coded team in the history of college football, and they're
going to go seven and five this year, and they're going.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
To go to a ball game and they'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
And I mean Ohio State hasn't just like oh they
beat them, like raced Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
That was that was just that was a team that's
going to go to a bowl game.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
That was just like they could have saved a lot
of time lot by just not getting on the airplane
and just saying like yeah, well, I mean forty two
three will take it, yeah right, yeah, yeah, just it's fine,
we'll low, We'll take that. We have not yet talked
about Carnal tape or any in any great detail.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
The Carnival tap game, but it was it was.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
The Cardinal tap game in the early part of the
second quarter, and then he kept going.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, no, he had like one hundred and fifteen or
a hundred forty one hundred and fifty yards receiving about
halfway through the second quarter, and it looked like maybe
they're going to try to get up two hundred and
the second half there. It didn't quite happen, but nine
for one eighty three, one touchdown. As we said, forty
four yard or forty eight yard or forty nine yarder
(34:10):
ted targets, i'd catches. You'll take that kind of actual Yeah, every.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Sixteenth sixteenth best wide receiver performance in terms of receiving
yards with one eighty three.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
That is uh, that is pretty darn good. That actually
is gonna flow very nicely. I think graphics says, pick
your poison. That is going to flow very nicely into
the other PJ flex SoundBite that I wanted to get to.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Uh. And this is so this one is titled PJ.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Fleck on Past Defense Issues, and he was sort of asked,
you know, like, hey, what.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
What what wrong for your past defense?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
And this is another one where it's long and it
kind of goes a couple of different places, but he's
his press conferences are like, you're gonna you're gonna walk
out of there going, well, I know what that guy
thinks like he is, he is not going to sugarcoat it.
He's going to kind of tell you so, uh, okay, PJ.
Fleck won't wank wrong with your past defense.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I'm not sure if it's necessarily past defense issues rather
than just they have really good players, then they force
you into doing something that makes you one dimensional. Pick
your poison. You'd be sitting here asking me the same
question of why we gave up nine yards or carry
it is what it is, and you're going back and forth,
(35:21):
and when you're getting pressure on the quarterback, you can
get some sacks in that situation, it would help. We
just weren't able to get any pressure on the quarterback.
So it's top down, right, So it works all eleven
guys working cohesively. It's not just pass defense or pass
coverage or the corners or the safeties. We didn't get
any pressure on the quarterback, which allowed those guys to
run down the field, which allowed the quarterback to throw
the ball unpressured, you know, fifty sixty yards down the field,
(35:46):
the two first round draft picks. I mean, if you
could throw the ball sixty yards, you could probably do
that with no like, nobody pressuring you like. And that's
why it's all eleven working together. And again, I mean
it didn't matter what we called. They executed against every
single call we made, so whether it was against the
run or whether it was against to pass. So you
got to give them credit too. This isn't like I'm
(36:07):
sitting here saying, oh we like I said, we screwed
it up, and they were better than us.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
They were better than Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
PJ flected seemed to find a fault with the Ohio
State's running game. He seemed to like whatever they did
it was, it was good enough. The super chat that
just went away from Rob h In hindsight, do you
think Ryan Day is wishing he had taken a harder
look at Twitter before hiring mad Patricia? Great question, great question.
(36:38):
Why the crowd source reactions or possible reactions float to
balloon like Ryan, they should just tweet out hey, like
thinking about some names maybe like a Matt Patricia, what's
the what's the vibe? Vibe check? What is it? How
you feel about that? Would you like that? And that's
one of those where you just you tweet it and
(36:59):
then you closed mentions like oh yeah, yeah, walk Twitter.
That's what it would have been like.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Well, if you look back at some of the additions
at Ohio State has made, both through the transfer portal
and in terms of coaching staffs, Bill O'Brien was everyone
kind of went, why on earth would you do that?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
This is a terrible idea.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
And Bill o'briand wasn't here long enough to to, uh,
you know, have a have any kind of a track record,
really positive or negative.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
But he's gone on and he's done fine at Boston College.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Will Howard, when Will Howard came to Ohio State, Why
is Ohio State taking in the runner up in the
Kansas State quarterback Derby? And you know why is o'his
you know, Philip Daniels. I mean my expectation was, I mean, yeah, sure,
bring him in, why not?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
But but he's not gonna play this year. And then
you Josh Simmons with.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
San Diego State's right tackle, it's going to be your
left tackle.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Well, san Diego State's left right tackle who had the
PFF graide of you know, like yeah, yeah, he was
basically the the PFF equivalent of maybe get a crocodile.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And spelling like it was. It was a disaster, and
he had like the most penalized guy.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
And you're taking the right tackle from San Diego State
who can't stop fall, starting and holding, and you're gonna
make you know, lol, he's gonna And then yeah, it
turns out it was fine.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Like it's I think at this.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Point you kind of have to look at Mark Pantoni
in the personnel department and go, you know what, I
think these guys might know what they're doing, and you
kind of have to look at Ryan Day. Not everyone hits.
You know, you're you're never going to bat a thousand
on assistant coach riers and on coordinator hires and all
that kind of stuff. And Ryan Day has not batted
a thousand on it. Nick Saban had some clunkers, Urban
(38:47):
Meyer had some clunkers. I mean, the greatest coaches in
the world are not going to bat a thousand on it.
But of anyone, I think Urban I think Ryan Day
deserves about as much benefit of the doubt on any
of this stuff as as anyone. I mean, the last
the last two defensive coordinator hires have worked out really well.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
And you know, well, we'll see they could give up.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Forty two points in Georgia to playoff this year and
then and then everyone's an idiot again. But so far,
I mean, it's it's hard to look at the trend
line of the Jim Knowles three years and then the
early returns on Matt Patricia and not think well, I mean,
Brian Day, yes, he knows offense, but what does he
know about defense and hiring a good defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
He's three or four, Yeah, he's batt in seven to fifty.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, So I think that's that's better than most head coaches.
Jim Trussell had some cloker assistant coaches, defensive coordinators, Mark Snyder.
That that lasted one year, where like why don't you
uh Marshall's colleague. Yes, yeah, we called Marshall for you
things like that, but he would keep his assistant, his
(39:55):
offensive assistance forever. Yeah, yeah, forever other than like the
good one.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, well yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
You know you go through the Ed Warren Er Tim
becky year or years with uh with Urban, I mean,
that was that was one that worked until it didn't.
Like they had they head back to back sixty two
point games and then a zero point game that was
just a couple of weeks after that, I mean, and
didn't didn't do much against Michigan that year. And I
mean the score looks impressive when you get you add
(40:25):
in a double overtime and you add in the Malie
Hooker interception return, but the offense didn't do a whole
heck of a lot there either.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
So you know Urban, you know Urban, Urban had some
good and some bad. Ryan Day his head. Ryan Day's
doing pretty pretty darn well with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Right now. Last thing for me, Julian's say it will
improve his seventy percent completion percentage with his twenty three
of twenty seven for eighty five percent completion percentage through
to twenty six yards, three touchdowns odd point. Again, really
really impressive, and he is because I think he's this
(41:02):
third three hundred yard game and five games, it seems
like he's in full control and it looks like looks
like a guy that you could win with.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Oh yeah, I think you've seen I think across the
sport right now, how many like great national championship, like
legitimate national championship. Not any obvious flaw kind of teams
are there? Not Not that Ohio State's a perfect team.
They're certainly not. And I you know, you like, as
(41:32):
we said earlier, you'd like to see them able to
run them all a little better.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
They so, so it's not, you know, these are not
perfect teams, but these are there's not an obvious like,
oh boy, that's you know, that's really this specific thing
is going to lose them a game at some point
in the CFB. I think Ohio State, I think Oregon,
Oregon I think is probably in that conversation. Lord help me,
(41:55):
I'm about to say the name Miami Hurricanes. I think
I'm out of teams. I mean, there there are other
teams that, you know, another a team outside of that
group of three could win the national championship. I have
not said any SEC teams in that list, And undoubtedly
someone from the SEC.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Will get hot at some point and will be.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
You know, but but you can look at Georgia, and
you can look at Alabama, and you can kind of
go like.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I don't Texas, like you just lost to Florida, lsu like.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Everybody's waiting for job but Tier to come back for Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Right yeah, And and Oklahoma, Oklahoma with John Mittier looked
very good against Michigan. But when you look at Julian saying,
to bring this back to your point, he's doing what
you need.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Him to do.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
I don't you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna sound a
lot like Brian Day here, Julian saying right now is
not good enough to win the national championship. Julian saying
with a progression that is sort of a you know,
following the trend line of what you've already seen from
him this year and just sort of you know, you
don't need like and then a miracle happens.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
He just needs to continue to.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Grow and develop and learn and get better, and you know,
they need to run the ball a little better and
all that kind of stuff. This is an Ohist team
that can win the national championship. I'm I came into
this year thinking, well, they're not gonna win the national
championship this year, but they should, you know, make the playoff.
This is an ohiost team to win the national championship.
I'm not saying they're going to, right, but I don't
(43:30):
have any doubt in my mind that this is an
Ohio state team that could win the national championship.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, I think we've seen that suggests that they couldn't,
But everything that we've seen suggests that they just might.
But there are still plenty of games to play, so
I think that will do it. If we're all cut
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