Ohio State Football: LIVE From Las Vegas

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the buck Eye Weekly Podcast. I'm
Tony Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
How's it going, Tony, It's not bad. It has been,
uh it is. We haven't he has barely started here
in Las Vegas. I've already had like a day and
a half of stuff going on. A lot of we
get into it later. Yeah, well, it's been a long
morning already. But we are here in Las Vegas for

(00:28):
twenty twenty five Big ten Media Days. Here in the
heart of Big ten country, Las Vegas, Nevada.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's part of the big Big ten footprint when you
consider the entire nation is Big ten country. But yeah,
today's the first day, as you guys know, of Big
ten media Days. We'll be here. Ryan Day and the
Buckeyes will be here later in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
We've already seen Ryan Day.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, we did see. We were on the walk over here.
Saw Ryan Day on the phone. That's the only time,
that's the only way I ever seen it. Basically, if
he's talking to.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Us, ye on the sideline. Yeah, he's on the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
So we are here with you guys for the next
however long you know, hour or so, going through your
questions in their super chats whatever, and we will get
to them. But Tom we will be talking with or
hearing from Tony Petiti. You don't actually get to talk
to a commissioner. Yeah, you just talk to the commissioner.
One of the things I want to talk about is

(01:20):
he did an interview with Ross Ellinger of Sports with
Yahoo and he's still adamantly opposed to the five plus
eleven because he doesn't want to give the committee like
you make things even more difficult for the committee when
you could just play your way in. And he also
said I'm fine keeping it with twelve next year, So
I don't sure. Doesn't seem like it's going to be

(01:43):
doesn't seem like we're headed towards sixteen. But then also
there's so much money there.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, you sort of assume that the money is going
to win out in the end, because the money always
wins out in the end with college football. The deadline
for this is December first, is when this decision needs
to be made. And then if the decision is not
made by December first, who's in charge twelve? The people
in charge are in charge. So if the deadline be pushed,

(02:10):
of course the deadline could be pushed. It's it does
feel like there are pretty clear battle lines drawn right
now between the Big ten. Who wants the four four
three three one one.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Four four two one well four four two two two one.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
One three or but you've also seen the four four
three three one one compromise and just well, I feel
like we're speaking in code. So that would be four
automatic bids for the Big ten, four automatic bids for
the SEC, three automatic bids for the Big twelve, three
automatic bids for the ACC, one automatic bid for the
non power conferences, and one at large selection that would

(02:48):
go to Notre Dame presumably if Notre Dame is rank
in the top sixteen, but then could also go to
just an at large team.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Is there much I have not seen much push for
the four four three three one model. Is that something?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
It's been something to appease the a SEC in the
Big Yeah, it's been floated. And you know, there was
the four four two to one three. There was the
four four two and a half two and a half
one two where presumably the last ACC team and last
Big twelve team would sort of play. But you know
the draw of that other than taking things out of

(03:24):
the committee's hands and having it sort of settled on
the field to a certain degree, is you have you
have a you're setting up the college the championship weekend,
which is currently almost a non event because last year
Oregon and Penn State they were both getting in the playoffs.
So yeah, you're playing for the Big Ten championship, but
in terms of the National Championship, it didn't really matter.

(03:45):
In frankly, Penn State ended up with a much more
advantageous path to the National Championship than Oregon did. So
it sets up a potential where you could have for
the you know, the four Big Ten spots, you could
have come Championship weekend being Big Ten number three versus
Big Ten number six, Big Ten number four versus Big
Ten number five, with the winners of those games getting

(04:06):
automatic bids, and then it's functionally a play in weekend
and then it's yeah, it's a sixteen team playoff, but
really it's more like a what twenty four team playoff?
And then those games really matter and that I have
viewed the automatic bids by conference thing as a little

(04:28):
bit anti competitive, where it's like you just want to
be guaranteed a certain number of spots. The more spots
you give to the non Big Ten and non SEC teams,
the less I view that as a real issue, and
it does make so many more interesting football games, which
I view as a positive certainly. And you know, you

(04:49):
look at the SEC, and when Tony mentioned earlier the
five plus eleven, the shorthand of that is the five
conference champions and then eleven at large spots. And the
SEC is pushing for that, which makes a lot of
sen sense considering what is the narrative every year before
the committee makes its decision, Tony, it's the hardest conference
in the nation, and you can't live they play the
hardest schedule, Tony, Tony, do you know and you should

(05:11):
know this now because I talked about it earlier in
the week. Do you know what the SEC's record current
SEC members in the College Football Playoff is in the
last two seasons?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Is it four? Well, there're two and four.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
They're to four against the Big Ten, two and five overall, Tony.
Do you know what the SEC's record is in hypothetical
matchups over the last two years?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
About fourteen?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
And oh yes, it is fourteen. And even when they're
playing other SEC teams two wins because it's a win,
but it's also a quality loss, which is basically a
win when you think about it.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, so so Ross Dellenser tweets this out. I'm seeing
all of these quote tweets from SEC people saying Tony
Petitti's just scared the strict the schedule, Like he's scared
of that metric, and you're like, he just wants to
see the games played rather than people vote on who
the best teams are. And that's he even talks about
how in this article, like he's on the zoom meeting
with all of these administrators. They're like trying to figure

(06:00):
out what numbers can they add to the formula, and
he's like, what are we doing? Like why are we
talking about numbers? Why don't we just play the games?
And that's why I'm glad that Tom you finally come around.
Other people are coming around to the play and stuff.
And again even the four four two two one with
playans gives the Big twelve and ACC four teams in
every year. Because if you're playing, if you just have

(06:22):
to keep winning and you win a national championship, you're
in the playoff. If you're in the player you are
in the playoffs. So then it's six six four four whatever,
And so it's like that's that doesn't seem so bad
to me. And you're a Big twelve coach, and you
know if I'm in the top four in my conference
and my dinky conference, I'm gonna be in the playoffs.

(06:44):
However you want to view it, why would why are
these people against that?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Well, and if you look at the Big Twelve, the
Big Twelve is they don't have any elite programs right now,
but they don't have any terrible programs right now either,
and nobody could anyone in the Big twelve. You could
tell me any team in the Big twelve would be
in the top four this year, and I'd go, yeah, sure, absolutely,
no question. And if you're wondering why I'm saying that

(07:14):
it's last this time last year, Arizona State was picked
to finish dead last DFL in the Big Twelve last year,
and then they won the Big Twelve and they went
to the College Football Playoff and won their first game
and then very nearly beat Texas in their second game.
So that that was a pretty good example of that

(07:39):
conference is pretty unpredictable. Will you have a couple of
super chats. First of all, thank you Robert for gifting
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(07:59):
So we have a couple super chats I want to
get to. We got one from Mike free and I
want to get to in a minute. But first from
Mike Ferguson with the latest information, currenting quote concerning quote
the letter close quote. Can someone please ask Tony Pettiti
if he is or is not uncle T? Tony, do
you want to explain who Uncle T is? I'm not
sure how how well versed everyone is in this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Uncle T is a Michigan booster something to and also
a message board. He's big on the message board.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
So we love, we love our online for former board
member of their Nile Collective. I believe and we we
love to be online and log on and make some
posts when we also are in a position if authority don't.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
We yes, But he is based on what he did
to Jim Harbaugh, he is not uncle T. Tony Pettitty
is not uncle to I think we can clarify that.
But in terms of the letter, what's going to happen
is I assume somebody is going to ask him about
it today and he's gonna say, I can't talk about
an ongoing investigation.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Give you the give you the Cam Newton, it's an
ongoing And they say it's an ongoing investigation. Big smile. Yes.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I mean he already basically did the same thing to
whatever is ESPN Dan Watson wanted a wanted the comments
like I can't comment comment on it. So the same
thing is gonna happen today if anybody asked about it,
He's like, I can't comment.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
So it's like, good job with your question. Yeah, and
someone will ask and you'll get him on the record
and he'll say nothing, and you know, someone will, I'm
sure ask Sharon Moore on Thursday when Sharon Moore is
here and Sharon Moore is going to I mean, we
we went through this whole thing with Jim Harborott Big
Dead Media Days a couple of years ago, and we
went you know with that was with the uh COVID
practice era of violations because that was before it's hard

(09:39):
to keep track. Let's yes, which Michigan major infractions case
we're talking about, but that was one where you know,
he got asked five different ways and just kind of
kept saying, yeah, I appreciate the question, but I can't
talk about it. And then last year Sharon Moore was
asked about it and got you got the same answer.
So yeah, and someone will ask I'm sure, and I
can tell you what the answer is going to be,
and then we will all move on with life. Super

(10:00):
typ for Mike Frino as an OSU fan, I'm not
too concerned about the playoff format other than seeding and
following rankings, which is the case this year that there's
no more. That's the one big change to the playoff
this year. Still a twelve team for twenty twenty five, However,
it's no longer the top four seeds all go to
the top four conference champions. I think I said that
Arizona State won a game, they didn't win a game,

(10:21):
they got a bye to the second rounds, but that
is not the case this year. It's just straight following
the seedings. They are not I don't believe reseeding in
the second round, so that has not changed, but it
will just follow. So if you are the number two seed,
the number three seed, whether or not you won a
conference champion, you will be the three seed in the
playoff this year. So he says he's not concerned about

(10:43):
the playoff format other than that, I wish you would
have made the six team playoff any year other than
twenty twenty three and an eighteen every year in the
college football playoff era. We've said this before, there is
no program that benefits more from the expanded college football
Playoff than Ohio State. And you can you know, I mean,
you will probably have people who tell you, well, what
about Penn State, They've missed it and they would have
made it, and that's true. But I think Ohio State

(11:05):
has hit a lot of the metrics you traditionally look
at in terms of recruiting and the blue chip ratio
and all that, where you have to have a certain
level of talent to win the national championship, and Ohio
State has been above that bar every year for probably
basically since the invention of the metric. And you know,
schools like Penn State, you know, there's a reason that

(11:26):
Penn State has not been able to clear that bar
get over that hurdle against the Ohio States of the world,
against the Georgias of the world or Alabamas of the world,
they're just a little bit below. So Ohio State getting in.
You saw what Ohio State getting in looks like last
year in you know, how many years would they have
had one of the most talented teams in the field

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and they missed because it was a four team format.
They would have missed last year because of the lost
to Michigan. But then they get in and then they
go on the run that they went on.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, I'm just looking through the rankings history and if no. Also,
five plus elevee and benefits Ohio State tremendously. They don't
have to play their way in other than be ranked
basically in the top fifteen ish. And the only time
they haven't been ranked in the top fifteen in the
last twenty years at the end of the season is
twenty eleven, you know, and two thousand and four is

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twenty one years ago. So it's like and even before
that they would have made these playoffs so many times.
So five plus eleven is great for Ohio State. But
I think it's the excitement of like SMU, Clemson, Miami,
and Syracuse are all in the playoffs last year, Colorado,
Arizona State, BYU Iowa State are all in the playoffs
last year. In this playing in type of thing, to me,

(12:39):
that's entertaining. Yeah, it's interesting. It's more important games and
makes up for a lot of the bad non conference
games that we all have to sit through. And then
also the play in era encourages better non conference games
because the five plus eleven era discourages big i'm non

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conference games because you just want to look pretty, and
that's you look at the the old school thirty years ago.
Higher State's non conference schedule in nineteen ninety five. Oh yeah,
it was four power our six teams.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Let's see if I could do this off the top
of my head. Boston College, Washington, Notre Dame ninety five.
Did they know they played Pitt that year too, right? Exactly? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:25):
And that was that was normal.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Granted it was big to have Notre Dame on the schedule,
but they always played like three two, three, four, like
real legitimate power five, power six whatever. However, many power
conferences there were back then, teams and it's because basically
there was no national championship game, right then they bring
in the Ball Alliance and the Bowl Coalition, and that's

(13:50):
when you start seeing all of these soft non conference
schedules built because we want to be in that top two.
We got to look pretty to do it. And now
you still have I only need to be in the
top twelve or whatever. And it's and it's still like, well,
we don't want to play too many tough non conference games,
right yeah, And it's just it's just been baked in,
like it's just expected now. It's it's accepted that you

(14:13):
can have a non conference schedule like Ohio State did
last year, like Penn State does this year, with like Nevada,
Villanova and one of the Florida Atlantics internationals.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, there are so I was looking through some of
those schedules and it's like, there are several teams that
are playing basically the Indiana non conference schedule. Indiana is
one of them. Illinois, I think, is playing a pretty
non pretty not that interesting non conference schedule this year.
And a lot of that has to do with the
fact that the committee has whatever created criteria the committee has,

(14:44):
but until it becomes extremely apparent that the committee is
not just doing sort by losses ascending order, which is
basically how they've treated things. It's like, well, they're they're unbeaten.
You have to put them first, and you have to
and and it doesn't matter who they've played, you're gonna
You're incentivizing people to schedule crappy non conference teams. If

(15:05):
you have the conference thing. Only in conference, you're really
doing ranking by conference. You know, are you in the
top four, you're in the top six of the conference.
Your non conference schedule can be much more ambitious because
even if you go zero to three in the non conference,
if your top four top six and you're in the conference,
you're still in the play in And if you do
win those non conference games and you put together a

(15:27):
strong resume, it could potentially bump you to get that
that that at large bid. So you're then you're incentivizing
people to schedule a better non conference And you know,
you mentioned Ohio did schedule There was a year where
Michigan played in the early nineties. I think Michigan played
Miami and Notre Dame or Florida State and Notre Dame.

(15:50):
And you know, you look at you look at some
of the non conference schedules way back, you know, back
back then when it was kind of the same thing
where you were kind of playing for the Big Ten
championship and and the national championship wasn't really the thing.
You got much more ambitious non conference scheduling. Ohio State
has done, I think, a very good job scheduling non
conference over the years. But you know, you have seen, yeah,

(16:14):
nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety two, ninety one, Michigan played
at Boston College, Notre Dame, and Florida State non content,
but they also played Notre Dame every year, yes, ninety
two at Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Houston, ninety three, Washington
State Notre Dame, Houston, and and you know Houston was
this is this is when Houston was you know, David
Klingler era Houston. Like those were some potentially some good

(16:36):
teams that might have been slightly after Andre Ware, David
Klindler Houston, But you know, you're at the point where
you're giving them credit for scheduling this because you didn't
schedule it three weeks before you scheduled it when they
were really good, and then they kind of fell.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Off the map eighty eight Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Notre Dame in Miami back
to back to start the nineteen eighty eight season. So
you know the end. But you look at how Michigan
has scheduled non conference in some recent years and that
has not been the case. Now they have Oklahoma on
the schedule this year. That's you know, that's going to
be a really good They had Texas on the schedule
last year, so that that was a really good one.
You're seeing Ohio State kind of continuing that. Last year

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was kind of the one exception where they had that
weird they had Washington on the non conference schedule and
then they had to cancel that because of Washington's conference game.
But you're incentivizing so much better schedule, and so yeah,
I have come around on the four to four. It's
on the blank, fill in the blind.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's a small price to pay to get everything that
could come with it.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yes, you're going you're going to have a better experience
as a college football fan watching better games under that format.
But you're you are taking the you're taking a lot
of the control out of the committee's hands. And there
are people who love how the committee has done their job.
I am not one of them. I don't.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
I feel like the committee did not do a very
good job ranking teams. But last year it was what
did they do they You know, Penn State's ahead of
Ohio State. Why, well, Ohio State has a bigger number
in the lost column. Did Ohio State have to go
on the road to Oregon and lose by one point?
And yes, in fact they did, but that's why their
numbers higher in the lost column. Did they have a
head to headland at Penn State, doesn't matter, their numbers

(18:09):
higher in the lost column. So and then you saw
on the field, like very clearly, ohiosed it was a
better team than Penn State. You saw it on the field,
and Happy Valley he saw it in the field in
the playoff. But the number of the lost columns higher.
So therefore well must must go down.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
And you're also right when you said in the past
that the direction from the committee can be such that
if somebody loses in the conference championship game, they can
be punished for it. The direction And I swear last
year when we were here they said that don't don't
think you're safe if you lose in the Big Ten
championship game. Yeah, and then what happens is everybody is

(18:43):
safe that lost in the Big Ten and then SCC
championship game and so acc too, which is another reason
why the Big twelve is crazy that they they're somehow
fine with the five plus eleven.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, But and I also am not saying that somebody
that doesn't make the Big tenor conference championship game should
get in over somebody that does. But then when you
have that head to head, is that that's yeah, that
should be maybe more of an equalizer than one extra
loss to either arrival or the best even the nation.

(19:17):
But that's litigating the past.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yes, yeah, And you know you have seen the head
to head not matter in Ohio State's favor in the past,
where Ohio State got in over Penn State in twenty
sixteen when Penn State had to win at home and
was it kind of a flukey win yes, was it
also a win yes? And Penn State won the Big
Ten championship that year and Ohios State got in anyway
because Ohios Date had a much better record overall that year.

(19:41):
So you know, the committee has not ever been beholden
to precedent or intellectual consistency, which is one of the
maddening things. We do those shows every Tuesday during the
college football playoff season in the fall, and every year
you're trying you're trying to get some answers from the
committee in terms of okay, but why is this team

(20:01):
that way? But you know you're not using the same rationale.
It's like, well, you know, it's everything is different, and
there's it's just kind of there's a certain amount of
we're going to do what we want to do. And
to that end, if you can take power away from
the committee, like I know, we didn't love you know,
no one loved the BCS when the BCS was a
computer formula and a mixture. If you can do have

(20:21):
it will be more of a settle it on the field.
At this point, I think that's going to be an imperfect.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well and I think the BCS the computers would probably
do better now because it's there are more teams and
you're not just picking the top two, but in terms
of the numbers. Like part of the things that one
of the things that Tony Petiti said in this article
is they're going on a Zoom conference talking about well,
how to tweak things and tweak this with the committee

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and what to focus on. And he's like, I found
myself sitting there thinking that playing games seems so rational
as we look at folks talk about points and subtracting
numbers and adding numbers. I'm thinking, this is the rational system,
and the one where we play games is radical. And
that is that he is not a college football traditionalist
barely because that is the way it used to be

(21:10):
a collegeble but we continue to play games, play in games. Yeah,
and so he's wanting to go to that natural logical
I don't know it's logical the next step and right
now he's he's alone in the in the ocean of
commissioners out there.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, it's I do think it's bizarre that the Big
twelve or the a SEC will be against that because
you're you're gonna get more bids that way, because you know,
what are the people When ESPN has the show, what
is Kirk kirk Street gonna be banging the table for
He's easy, Oh you got to put Duke in, you do.

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He's going to be jumping on the table for Georgia.
This is what this is what they see South Caro.
Does it matter that the recent track record is what
it is? No, because the you know, the pre is
history when you know history ended in twenty twenty three,
and so then they're twenty twenty two, and so since then,

(22:08):
this is this is a small sample size. This is a
result of the new realities of college football. I don't know,
but it's been very consistent since the new realities of
college football.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Think of whatever the number two team in the Big
twelve is where they're they're they're an upstart, they're gonna
they're gonna get the treatment that Indiana got last year,
where they are disregarded as any way possible. Well, they
didn't play the best team, they didn't play that team,
they didn't play this team, and look at their non
conference schedule like this. This is the subjective nature that

(22:38):
Tony Petitti is trying to get out of it. And
I'm not declaring this guy a hero or anything. It's
just what do you agree with me? I'm probably gonna
like what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yea of a super chef from Robert Howard. How many
random bylaws on this get.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Me two point one?

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah? Boy, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
You've got to just throwing up.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
I gotta have They don't know that I have any.
See if I have anything, I might not have any
in the Yeah i'm looking through. Boy, I have college
football playoff rankings. Well, we're gonna punch this one into
the show. We'll just see what it is. No, okay, no,
this is Ward manual. This is from one of the

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that's from one of the college football playoff shows we
did last year.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
It turns out it doesn't get too much Roberts.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's not what I wanted to do.
Uh nope, that's also not what I wanted to do.
We're off to a RiPP roaring start here. See. I
can give you. I can give you photos. I can
give you a resume comparison from college football playoff?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Are these relevant of the question at hand?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
I think people will enjoy them. Here, here's Jack Sawyer
hitting Quinn yours last year. Well, they haven't played much
since last season, so yeah, sorry, I can give you.
Let's see, here's Jack Swayer scoring a touchdown. You may

(24:06):
remember that. Let's see if we have anything else here.
This is going to be great on the audio version,
I forget about that. Yeah, here's Jeremiah Smith catching a
touchdown or not a touchdown, but pretty significant play against
Notre Dame Laster. So that's what I have in there. Sorry,
I did not anticipate your request. I will try and

(24:27):
have some bylaws ready for one of the shows. Our plan,
we should let's hit real quickly what our plan is
for a week. Our plan this does not start. The
daily events do not start until two pm Eastern or
two thirty pm Eastern each day that we're out here.
I think it starts a two pm Eastern today, and
then it'll be two thirty pm Easter in the next
two days. So our plan is we recognize that you

(24:49):
are sitting at the office right now and going, hey,
I wish there was something I could do other than work,
and we understand and respect that. And so our plan is,
this thing's opened down here at eight am. Now that
we're here and we have our credentials and we're else set,
we can get started earlier tomorrow. But our plan, and
that's Pacific time. So our plan is plan on us

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about eleven am Eastern, we'll have a live show like this.
Then throughout the day we'll have it's a little bit
of a gong show in the actual event space right now,
so we'll have to figure out how much we can
stream or whether we're going to have recorded stuff. We'll
have interviews with players and coaches throughout the week. That'll
be throughout the day. I'm going to try and get

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some individual interviews with reporters and that kind of stuff,
talking to people about their teams. And then at the
end of the day, which the day ends at five
o'clock Pacific time eight pm Eastern, Tony and I will
be back out here and we'll do another live show
kind of recapping the day. So plan on like eleven
am Eastern in the morning for like a little bit

(25:54):
of a day preview and we'll answer all your questions
and all that kind of stuff. But then also plan
on about an eight m Eastern would you give you
a little prime time and give you, you know, probably
half an hour to an hour, depending on how much
we have to talk about, how much we have to do,
and how long a day it has been, because it
is it is, as I said earlier, already been a

(26:16):
kind of long day. Yeah, let's uh, I'm gonna run
through some of the questions some of the comments in here.
Steve reposted the stream. Thank you. Steve T thirteen wants
to know how many pickle venders has Kevin located. He's
sitting across from us. Any pickles yet, No, no pickles yet, right,
he waved, or maybe he was saying five. They had

(26:40):
a pickle slushy at Fat.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Tuesday Sonic as well. Now they're not an alcoholic.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
But yes, Sue says, Hi, guys, Hi Sue. Good, good
to see you, Good to have you here, Jack says Tom.
Who is that next to you? The man in the
glasses next to you looks an awful look like Clark Stent,
Clark Kent from Barstools, Big and Kickoff Show. I don't know,
I don't know what that.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Is, well, Clark Kennis from Superman. But but we can
probably talk about the Dave Portnoy Barstool Fox thing, because
I just I just wanted to get you started on it.
But now I like this is this does not encourage
me to watch Big Neon, to watch Dave Portnoy up there,

(27:24):
and I I am just imagining Urban like looking across
the desk like this is. I wish Jacksonville wuld have
worked out for me.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
You know, you know, Urban and Nick are going to
have a text chain about Desmond Howard versus Dave Portnoy,
and you know you probably have Pat McAfee in there.
And I don't want to use the phrase conclusive proof
of the decline of American civilization.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
But I just, yeah, I'm not not a and and
the idea that they just wanted to get a guy,
a fanboy on there make like it doesn't matter who
it is at that point.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
That's just like, that's we've talked about this before. But
it's the Howard Stern, the people who, you know, the
market research on Howard Stern, the people who love him.
Why do you Why do you listen because I want
you know, I want to hear what he says next.
People who hate him? Why do you listen because I
want to hear what he says next. That's it's just
going to be shock jocks say ridiculous stuff for attention,

(28:22):
and you will. You will get dumber listening to that.
That's just that's but that's the business model. That's the
two heads yelling at each other business model that has
basically become the I don't want to say the core
of ESPN's business model, but I don't know how else
to describe it.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
And the thing is, when Urban first got there, that
was a better football show. Game Day was an entertainment
show that you also talked football. Big Noon Kickoff was
a football show that sometimes it would have would try
to force some entertainment in it, because well, that's what
we have to do at least this one hour or
two hour slot. Yeah, so I don't Maybe maybe he'll
be here today.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
We'll see, Yeah, maybe. Uh. DoD Draco says, do y'all
have a Twitter account?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
We you?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Uh? The company account is at Buckeye Huddle. Tony's is
at Tony gerdaman t O n y g E r
d m A n d E m A N Didn't
I say that g E r d E m okay? Yeah?
And I'm at Tom or f t O m O
r r the number four Kevin is at Kevin Underscore

(29:22):
Noon and n so uh that's us. Uh. Sue says,
is Tom sexier when he talks math or reads bylaws?
If you ask my wife? The answer is neither. But
you know, well, and you know, you know, I think
that's the subtle thing about this question is she doesn't
say what the level is. It's just it could they
could both be. You could read it as which one

(29:45):
is less. Robert says, morning, Everyone appreciate having you here.
We talked about this a little earlier when stars a
Line says, is someone I had asked Tony Petit about
his letter regarding Michigan punishment, maybe you would.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Assume, but he's not gonna say anything about it. So
it's a wasted question basically because he's just gonna say
I can't comment on an ongoing investigation. We'll let the
the everything play out. But it is. It is kind
of a flip. And we did that morning show about
the letter. So if you want to, you can find
that at all of your podcast platforms of choice. You

(30:21):
can find a YouTube dot com slash Buckeye huddle after this,
you can go and look for it. So we talked
about it for twenty minutes. Yeah, about our thoughts on it.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, and that's in the Buckeyes Tomorrow morning podcast feed.
Bernie says, Whatsu was pick to finish in the Big Ten,
like fifth. I think the Big Ten doesn't do an
official poll. Cleveland dot com does a pole. I think
they were second. Yeah, they were second behind Penn State,
but it was by like one vote or something like that.
So yeah, and that's I was reading my Pick six

(30:49):
previews on my on the airplane on the way out here,
and he has them in that order as well, Penn
State and then Ohio State, and I think that's entirely reasonable.
Ohio State is Penn State. This year is sort of
in the situation that Ohio State was last year, where
they've got a lot of guys back, and you know,
if there is a year where they're gonna get over
the hump, it's this year. You know, two years ago

(31:10):
it was Michigan's year where they had everybody back and
they made the run the national championship. Last year was
Ohio State's year where they had everybody back and they
made the run the national championship. This year it's pretty
much Penn State's year. Twenty twenty six looks like, I mean,
you never know what the portal and all that, but
twenty twenty six looks like that might be the Oregan year.
But this does look like it's gonna be the Penn

(31:31):
State year potentially. But you know, Ohio State did the
Natty or Bus thing last year. I'm very interested. I
don't know who I'm talking to from the Penn State beat.
I'm gonna try and ask someone is the mood in
State College, Natty or Bus this year? Because that's a
you know, this is if it's going to happen. It
feels like this is the year it's going to happen
for them.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
And was that a good thing for Ohio State last
year to have that, because I'm not convinced that it was. Yeah,
do you think I can grab one of those waters?

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Well, Kevin Ken Uh? Terry Terry said. Uh, Terry says.
Terry said, who lets Tony Pettiti letter? I'm curious if
anyone asked him a question about it. We talked about
the questions about it. I can tell you who linked
the Tony Pettiti letter. It went to Dan Utzel, who

(32:18):
has been leaking. He has gotten several I mean very apparently.
I'm not I'm not on the text chain or whatever,
but allow me to assure you he's getting stuff from
the Michigan side. Just based on the information he's getting
and how it's being presented to him, it's very clearly
coming from the Michigan side. And the short answer is
that Michigan wants the conversation this week. I don't know

(32:38):
that it's going to move the needle, but just in
terms of national you know, in terms of the committee.
But you know what, what it gets said this week
is not going to change what the Committee does one
way or the other. It is going to shape the
national narrative around it. So then if they do get
pun it, it's going to be oh boy, this is unfair,
what an injustice. That's that's why you leak this one
day before Big ten media.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Is well, it's of like this this letter is news
to the committee, right, you know, yeah, this this was
read to them, So this is this is nothing new.
There's no news for the committee. It's just interesting timing. Yep.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Doug Shepherds is not concerned about them. Where the writer's
predictive higher state we'll finish. Ryan Date will have them
ready and I'm sure that they I'm we have We
have seen many times in the past that the preseason
ranking from the media folks has only some too little
correlation to the to the post you know, the post
season standings. I remember where Indiana was ranked last year,

(33:36):
very near the bottom, and we saw how that happened.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
I have not seen anybody, any outlet, any magazine pick
Ohio States win the Big Ten this year, which seems
it's pretty interesting, like everybody's just latched on to Penn
State because it's like like this is not about taking turns,
but it sure seems like people are like just falling
in line with with that idea. I'm always big on

(33:59):
road schedule and the fact that Penn State has to
go to Ohio State and immediately concerns me at five.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Penn State and they also have Oregon at home this year,
but you're at a spot where you could lose both
of those games and still make the playoff, and you
just you get hot and you make a run. I
would I would have looked at that schedule as much
more of a concern under a four team playoff, where
it's yeah, we still have not seen James Franklin get

(34:24):
over the hump against Ohio State since twenty sixteen, and
he's got to do it in Columbus this year. Could
he do it? Absolutely? He's got he's got the team,
he's got the talent, and he's got a new defensive coordinator,
which is something that I'm sure we'll be talking about.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I'm not sure if you and I were talking about this,
but the idea that Penn State would lose to Ohio
State and then lose to them again in the Big
Ten Championship game and then also play them in the playoffs,
what that would do to the.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Penn State That would that would? I mean, Penn State
last year had the perfect season to drive Penn State
fans insane in Penn State sports talks as James Franklin
talks tomorrow, Yes that it is Ohio State today among
other teams, Penn State tomorrow at Penn State and I
think Oregon tomorrow and then Michigan on Thursday. But Penn

(35:11):
State Leicster had the perfect season to drive Penn State
fans absolutely insane. Where they went eleven and one and
they're a top five team nationally and they make it
to the Big Ten Championship game. What was there one
loss in the regular season, the same team they can't
ever beat, and was it at home in heartbreaking fashion?
You know it was? And so then they go to
the Big Ten Championship game, they lose there, and then

(35:32):
they go to the College Football Playoff. They win the
first game, but it's against SMU and it's like Yeah,
it's a great win, but it's not a you know,
that's not a pelt you've got on your wall. And
then they win their second game, but it's Boise State,
so yeah, you're supposed to win that game. And then
as soon as you get to the you know, the
first kind of big brand name team, it's Notre Dame,

(35:53):
and they lose in heartbreaking fashion on a I mean,
the last the last play of the game was just
a horrendous decision by Drewaler.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Is that James Franklin's fault?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well, so there were lots of moments in that game
before that dural Er horrendous decision, But if you were
having you know you Yes, they went eleven to one
in the Big Ten in the regular season. Yes they
were a top five team. Yes they went to the
Big Ten championship game. Yes, they won two College Football
playoff games, reached the final four. But they went win

(36:23):
three against the three brand name teams, And what's the
what's the James Franklin knock? Can't win the Big One?
And I always view that as a little bit subjective,
where you know, we've seen that one with Ryan Day,
where you know, going going on the road and being
a top five Penn State team, Well that's not a
big one because we know they always beat Penn State.
But you know, and beating Michigan wasn't the big one

(36:45):
because they always beat Michigan until then they didn't beat
Michigan and then now that's the big one. So you know,
the big one that you can't win is sort of
a little bit of a arnofficial construct. Yeah, but when
you just look at this the Helmets on Penn State
schedule last year, what were the three biggest ones? The
three they lost? So that was a season that was
really kind of designed to drive Penn State fans absolutely

(37:06):
and crazy. So Doug's has season starts in five weeks.
Where did the time go? The time went? The season
was a month longer than normal. That that's why it
feels like That's why it feels like a a shorter offseason.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I think fall camp starts on Thursday, a week from
this Thursday.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yep, yep, DoD Draco says, are we going to see
Caleb Downs and everyone else? Today? Yes, we will have.
We don't know. Well, we are at the mercy of
the Wi FI here, so we may we are set
up to potentially be able to live stream stuff. But
also we'll you know, the internet, We'll see how the
internet holds up.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
The Ohio State players will be talking at six point
fifteen and they'll go.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
For half an hour. Dereen has been a member for
four months. Thank you, Dreen. Glad to have you here.
Jordan says, question for Tom Tony why?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Also, well we know the who that's Kevin. Yes, why
what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
What are you going to do? Matthew says, everyone, please
congratulate to E thirteen on a new baby Buckeye can
just a week? All know? Congratulations. I hope you are. Yes.
I hope you are sleeping when you can. Yes during
the show, though yet not during the show you I mean,
as long as you hit thumbs up and you can
live the stream up. That's okay. We we understand. So

(38:29):
uh let's see. Uh. Doug says, Hi, Mika, Mika's here.
Good to have you. Hear Mika scrolling through Troy V.
I don't even know what this was in reference to,
but this is one of the perpetual evergreen truce of
college football. Logic has no place in college football.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, yes, and we're talking about the logical step forward
with the playing games. So you know, I tweeted basically
that Tony Petiti just his thing is he'd rather see
things settled on the field, and I got a responseing,
just stop. I can't say what it says, but stop
giving him a hand, right because he's the big tech commissioner.

(39:11):
The less auto bids the better. And the thing is
five plus eleven is still going to lead to auto bids.
It's just they're going to go to a lot of
the SEC teams that haven't played anybody other than the
SEC teams, so there's still gonna be auto bids in
that sense. They're not going to be going to the
Big twelve, that's for sure. So I would just again,

(39:33):
I don't understand why the Big twelve and even the
a SEC wouldn't want their top four teams playing to
win a national title. But I'm not a commissioner, Tom,
I just play one on the internet.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
You're not the only one, Weed Stacy Keach commissioned Terry
wants to know. With Paul fine Moment and Rhese Davis
all but guaranteeing Texas to beat Ohio State and Columbus,
should we cancel the game and have a cornble tournament instead.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Well, you probably to lose that too, well, so, but
clearly you know Paul's going to do what he's gonna do.
I don't have a problem with anybody thinking Ohio State
is going to lose this game. Yeah, because Texas is
one of the best teams in the nation, and I
don't think it's the way Paul Finebob does it is
that's his stick, you know, that's right. Yeah, But like
Reee Davis is a professional that works for ESPN, So

(40:22):
like I.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, I'm paying much more attention to Reeese Davis and
Paul fine Boum just and it's just purely a function
of when you have made a career of saying things
for attention. I assume you're saying this thing for attention.
So and he's made a wonderful career out of that,
and God bless him. But you have the god given

(40:44):
right to not get upset about stuff that people are
saying for attention. In fact, by Bay, by getting it
upset and pay talking about it, you are rewarding them
for that behavior. So anyway, I call that the Skip
Bayliss paradox. So us see real Troy v says, the
SEC is undefeated hypothetical games. Of course they're picking Texas fair,

(41:05):
that's fair. The okay good. Robert Roberts says, the photos
will suffice, so good. Glad, We're glad. We I'll try
and get some I'll try and get some bylaws in
there somewhere. Mike wants to know if you went to
the buffet and filled up an entire drink cup of ketchup? Yet, No,
did they have Did they have ketchup at the place
last night? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
No, No, I've not done yet done that yet, but
either get.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
This is our first day here, so yes, we got here,
we got here late last night. So let's go scrolling
through here. Troy says Thomas the bylaws as Shakespeare is
to Hamlet, so bylaws usually end in less tragedy. But
Neil wants to know what's the temperature right now? It

(41:49):
is actually it has actually cooled off slightly from the
last few days. It was. I walked the strip this
morning for a video that's going up that'll be up
later today. That was just it's just basically like walking
Las Vegas trip. And I got up at very very
early this morning started before five am, and it was
downright pleasant because it was about it was in the

(42:10):
high seventies and it was, you know, obviously a dry heat,
so it was it was quite pleasant out there for
the few of us out there at four forty five
this morning. It is eighty six right now. Yea, it's
eighty six right now. It's going to be it's gonna
get up to ninety nine or maybe a little north
of one hundred, depending on where you look. So it'll
be uh, it'll be hot, but yeah, it'll it is.

(42:32):
It is not bad too, not bad all things considered
too to how things things could be out here.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Terry Slusher, it's beginning to look like football. We always
call this like this is the start of the season,
the unofficial start.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
This is this is.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
When it starts for us at least, and that's when
it starts with a lot of the fans. But it'll
get here really really quickly. And again you get a
month of camp and you can find out all of
the stuff that we're talking about here buhadle dot com.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Again.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Camp starts in nine days and we'll be there for
the first three practices.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yes, yes, August first, second, and third, entire weekend. Yeah,
so those are those are the ones that are open
to the public, so we'll be there for those. Yes,
Vegas Buckeye says, Vegas, here, are you guys up for
some in and out burgers? I walk past in and
out that's probably a mile and a half or so
up the strip from us here, and yeah, I am

(43:29):
always up for an in and out burger. That is.
That is always also good for me sending a picture
to my family like oh, look what I'm having and
then getting extremely mad and asking if I can bring
it home. So so that's fun. Sir Eric M. Says,
If my only lasting impact on this earth is Kevin
Noon forever being associated with pickles, is it a life
well lived? I mean, uh, oh, he's getting up. He's

(43:53):
wearing a pickle colored chirp this morning. I can't have
to point out no pickles. It's like, yes, Troy B. Says,
will look a lot more like football season when Tom
breaks out the hartber Whaler's hat. I believe that as
the official start of the season. Yeah, I've got I
brought my blue jackets happen, I didn't don't have it today.
So so hockey hockey adjacent and you can see the

(44:16):
Team Mobile Arena, which is the home of the Vegas
Golden Knights from the Stress as well.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Do you already had some current hockey teams.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
That just said, which is yeah, yeah, I mean they're
they're they're getting they're gradually trending more towards a hockey team.
So yes, Joseph wants to know which game do you
think Ohio State will play in a snow game? If
you had to guess, I mean, the safest bet is
whatever the first playoff game is, if they you know,

(44:43):
assuming they're in the assuming they're in the first round
of the playoff, you know, hosting, I mean, the weather
is never great Michigan at Michigan, they hit their home
for Rutgers the week before that. That that week was
that snowed against Indiana three years ago, the week before

(45:03):
the Michigan game. That's a possibility. Snowing on UCLA on
November fifteenth and Columbus would be very funny. But yeah,
I think you're you're you're still up boy boy that
poor guy. Yeah, that's uh, that's a that's that. That's
probably your best bet.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
If Ohio State does host the first round game, who
do you want to see, Like, what's what's the team
that you would like to see in Like I wouldn't
have seen Clemson.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Clembson is exactly the name that I thought, just because
you've seen them play, but you haven't seen them play.
I don't think Clemson has ever played in Columbus. I
believe they've always played in the postseason. Ole Miss, Kevin
mentioned is a good one. They've never played Ole Miss before.
That's a good one. They haven't played. They have never
beaten South Carolina. They played South Carolina and back to
back outback Bowls in the two thousand season in two

(45:51):
thousand and one season, lost both of those, So that
would be one. I kind of would just like to
see a matchup we haven't seen it, or at least
haven't seen on campus before or because yeah, yeah, the
series history is Gator Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Fiesta Bowl,
Sugar Bowl, so they've never played Clemson on campus. Frankly,
if Ohio State is a road team and goes and

(46:13):
plays at Clemson, that'd be great. I would I would
love you know. I mean, I'm sure Ohio State would
prefer to not play a road first game, but I
I would love to go see. Go play at Clemson,
You'll play at Georgia, go play at Alabama, go play
at Ole Miss whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Here's one for you. First round at home against Michigan.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Boy, we we talked about the James Franklin narrative earlier
that you will have, you will have. We love the
narrative bowls, don't we. Mike says, I must have missed
something with Mika. Mika says, get Mieki get well soon.
So hopefully Mika is feeling better. Uh, it's just me.
Tim says, Penn State has Jim Knowles. That's got to

(46:55):
be an improvement. I am very much looking forward to
asking about Jim Knowles because that's going to be a uh,
that's going to be a fascinating story. I think this season, Well, how.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Much better do they need to be defensively because they
were pretty good last year?

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah? Right? Yeah? The issue the issue last year was
on on the offensive side of the ball, and really
specifically the fact that they just didn't have wide receivers
last year. They just they played the semi final game
against Notre Dame and their wide receivers had zero touches.
That that can't happen, and they have completely completely turned
over that wide receiver unit from last year to this year.
They had Julian Flumming graduated and then a whole bunch

(47:31):
of other guys transferred out and a whole they basically
did a shift change more or less.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
And so they've got a whole new group of wide receivers.
No Tyler Warren this year, but you've got you know,
Drew Aller. Let's see what Dreweller looks like this year.
They have I mean, they also have an incredible running
back do They've got Nick Singleton and k Tron Allen
both back, They've got I think they've got four offensive
linemen back from last year's team as well, so they

(47:56):
should be real good on the ground. Indy Cotin Nicky
is creative, certainly in.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
The almost too much at times. Yeah, I wonder if
he has to dial it back some without Tyler Warren
and does that limit Drew Aller because maybe he's not
a receiver's quarterback. Yeah, I think there's still question there.
But in terms of the defense, they were number yeah,
losing abdu Clar dude. They've got Denied Dennis Sutton, and
they've got a couple of you know, still still some

(48:22):
guys up front, but they were number six and yards
per play last year defensively, Yeah, like when when Jim
Knowles came to Ohio State, Ohio States defense was bad,
so they got better. Yeah, I would expect Penn State's
defense to still be good, but not be as good
because of the losses and the implementation of I still
would shocking for their top ten defense just because that's

(48:42):
pretty much what they are.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Well. And you look at the trend with Jim Knowles,
and he is going going in places where the baseline
has been very low, like his Oklahoma State defense. He
came in and they were a tire fire, and Ohio
States twenty twenty and twenty twenty one defenses were kind
of a tire fire. And his his trend has been
first year better, second year improvement from their third year, excellent, extraordinary.

(49:09):
They don't probably need to be extraordinary this year, but
if there if he can just kind of hold serve
from where they were last year, that would be perfectly,
perfectly fine. That would probably get them where they need
to get, assuming the offense can pull its weight. But
that's going to be a challenge because you know, you
lose at duel Carter and Boy. I don't know that
it's a coincidence that the Ohio State defense didn't look

(49:30):
as good the year after Chase Young graduated.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
No, certainly, no coincidence. I'm wondering what if he goes
back to the Oklahoma State way of things, or if
he's learned some things from his time at Ohio State,
or if he was forced to do some things at
Ohio State that he didn't necessarily want to do but
it worked. Yeah, So now does he stick with that
or is this an opportunity for him to go back
to doing what he wants to do because he's going

(49:53):
to have complete control to do that based on what
the three million dollars a year that he's making or whatever. Yeah,
Like there's nobody in there saying I want you to
do this, so you can't do this. He's gonna have
he can do whatever he wants. So does he go
back to what he always loved doing?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah? I would, I would. Well, I mean it will
be an interesting sort of social experiment because he's got
more of the Ohio State level talent. Oklahoma State he
was kind of it was a little you know, the
Apollo thirteen kind of defense where it's like, well, here's
what we've got. We've got a sock, and we've got
some duct tape, and we've got some need to make

(50:29):
a scrubber. Yes, so, and he did it, and you know,
he did it with a pass rusher who weighed about
two hundred and twenty pounds but who had something like
eighteen sacks, you know, some ridiculous number like that. He
doesn't have to do the Apollo thirteen with the Penn
State defense. So it was going to be really interesting
to me to see how similar or how different is

(50:49):
it from what he ran at Ohio State, because there
have been competing narratives on that front for quite a while.
And it feels like we're going to get a little
bit of a a little bit of indication which direction
that that may have been more more true.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
He certainly doesn't want to go back to the baking
in five big plays right to the defense like you
did in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, yep, it's just me. Tim says, you guys didn't
drive there, did you know?

Speaker 1 (51:12):
We did not?

Speaker 2 (51:13):
It is I am I prefer to drive everywhere like
I don't. I'm not like afraid to fly it's just
flying is generally not in a particularly pleasant experience. Our
flight out here was half falls, so yes had the
uh we were on Southwest and I was in the
late forties and got an exit row seat, so I
got the exit, you know, and you know there's plenty

(51:36):
of room I can throw both bags in the up
on the compartment above head. It was. It was delightful.
So if every flight was like that, I wouldn't mind flying,
But every flight is not like that. Steve wants know
if we have any early thoughts on the Ohio State
versus Texas game.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
The more I look at this, the more I feel
better about Ohio State's chances. But then or not not chances.
I think feel better about Ohio State winning. But there's
such a huge assumption that Julian saying is gonna be
okay or Lincoln Keynolds, and we'll just I'll just say
Julian saying, it's a very large assumption when you're going
against a Texas defense that's gonna got skill. Now, the

(52:12):
offensive line, I assume is gonna be pretty good for
Ohio State. So they they're gonna protect him, they're gonna
be able to I don't think they're gonna run the ball.
I've already said they'renna be held under one hundred yards
they were last year. But the advantage that Ohio State
has one Texas has no idea what this defense is
gonna look like. It's all gonna be based on assumptions,

(52:34):
So that gives Ohio State and an advantage to do
some things that Texas will have to deal with and
then recover from it. Like halftime, we're gonna be like
how we're gonna deal with this, and then Ohio State
can just do something differently. So I think there's an
advantage there Ohio State's skill. They've got enough skill. I
like Ohio State's secondary and their linebackers. Texas is gonna

(52:58):
try to run the ball. Is Art's gonna be part
of that? Do you know how much it is? They
don't have much behind him, so do they want to
protect him. I think it's gonna be fascinating. I love
that it's a new kickoff.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I love go ahead talk about Texas. Confess your unpopular opinion. Yeah,
I think there's a couple interesting pieces of this, and
I do think I'm not saying Ohio State's gonna win
the game. I'm not saying Texas is gonna win the game.
I expect it to be a pretty close competitive game.
If you're looking at the Ohio State side of things,

(53:29):
like I feel like I don't need to explain the
Ohio States question mark slash potential weaknesses to this audience.
So from the Texas side of things, Texas is replacing.
Texas has had some turnover on their offensive line. Texas
has had some turnover on the defensive line they have.
They're in a similar position when they've got some really
really good players, but they're also replacing a lot of guys.

(53:51):
I think arch Manning could be amazing. He could be fantastic.
We haven't really seen it yet. He's been good in
the times that he's played, but he wasn't. He didn't
come in like Tua in the in the uh, you know,
like out Tua did for Alabama back in the twenty

(54:13):
seventeen season, eighteen season whatever that was. So I don't
you know how much better is he than Quinnewers. I
don't know. Everyone's just sort of assuming, well, he's going
to be incredible. He's he's going to be five times
as good as quin yours and I think if he
was five times as good as quinnewer As, you would
have seen him more last year because they had some
games that were close and you saw him used in

(54:33):
very specific ways, very situationally. I mean almost like the
Tape Martel package or like the Devin Brown package for
Ohio State. And that's fine, and they used him, but
it wasn't like those were even particularly effective when they
did them in the playoff anyway. So you know, he
played he started against what Mississippi State last year, and yeah,
play played a bunch against Louisiana Monroe, and sure, he

(54:57):
completed eighty three point nine percent of his passes Againstssissippi
State for three hundred and twenty five yards and two touchdowns.
And I think everyone is looking at that and going, well,
he's getting completely eighty percent of his passes and he's
gonna throw for three hundred and twenty five yards and
two touchdowns and win every game. And after that, the
most passes he threw he threw twelve passes six for
the next eleven games. So you know, Mississipi State was

(55:19):
pretty bad last year, and that was early in the season.
And other than that, he played against Louisiana Monroe and
completed fifty one percent of his passes and threw a
couple picks, and so everyone is just I think looking
at the Mississippi State game and going, well, just photocopied
that fifteen times, and that's what he's going to be.
And I don't know, maybe, but I kind of I
kind of want to see it. Maybe maybe we'll see

(55:40):
it in Columbus and maybe he'll light up Ohio State
and we'll see the other piece of you mentioned not
being sure about Ohio State's defense. Steve Sarkishian has a
reputation for having incredible script drives for the beginning of
the game and they go bumba bomo bom bum right
down the field and they score score points and score touchdowns,
and then as soon as the unscripted stuff happened, you know,

(56:03):
as soon as you get off the script, and then
you've got to kind of adjust. He's not always great there.
If you're coming in and you're facing a little bit
of an uncertain defense, I'm not sure how if that
maybe it'll be extremely effective, maybe it's not. You're it's
almost you're guessing. You're making an educated guess. But then
how well will they adjust to what Ohio State's doing
after that.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Yeah, it's not as much scripted as it is improv
at that point, because you're you're you're assuming you're putting
something together against something that you're going to see, but
you don't know for sure that you're going to see it.
But one thing I will say, credit to Circasian for
allowing Arch Manning to throw the ball when he was
in the games last year blowouts, which is something that
we don't always get to see at Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Yeah, Drowsy Dragon wants to know who has a better season.
Arch more saying, and this feels almost like another way
of asking, how is the UH gonna win that first?

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Well, Arch is gonna run for more yards, and I
think they're probably gonna throw for about the same. I
think Ohio State's running game, I think they'll rely on
that more. I think they're gonna be very similar, but
Arch will have more rushing yards. I would say, because
what did what did Quinn yours last year? Through four?

(57:13):
As I get here, thirty four and seventy two yards, Like,
I think that's an acceptable number for either of these guys.
But even Archs through for nine hundred and thirty nine
yards last year because of those couple of starts in
the early part of the season when yours was banged up.

(57:33):
The Sarkisian likes to throw the ball around, so I
think you'll I think Arch will have the better season,
meaning more stats or more wins. I think I think
Manning has better stats. But I think saying can throw
for thirty five hundred yards thirty five touchdowns, Will Howard
for four thousand yards last year, I don't think that's
out of the reach of saying at all.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
No, in sixteen games, right, Yeah, so some of this
is how many games are they going to play? And
I'll then I'll tell you about stats. But yeah, I
think you've got you know. I think this is an
interesting point from Tim, which is saying because he has
better talent around him, and that's do you want to
bet against the guy that has Jeremiah Smith on his
team and you know, Carnel Tit on his team and

(58:15):
Brandon Innis on his team. Also Max Claire on his team.
That's a name that I feel like we're not talking
about enough. But one of the top tight ends in
the nation last year is now in Ohio State. I
mean there's and you've got James Peeple's out of the backfield,
You've got Donaldson out of the backfield, O Jackson out
of the backfield. I mean, there's there's a lot of
talent out there. I think this. I think you're going

(58:37):
to see guys who have a statistically similar season, but
who has a better season is almost up to a
lot of things that are outside of their control. Which
which guy has a better defense, that guy's gonna have
a over season.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Well, I think they'll both have very good defenses. And
the guy that wins the game in the first game
does not necessarily mean they're going to be the better
quarterback over the course of that season. Right, We're both
going to get.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Better, Right, and and everyone is going to do the
week one freakout overreaction of this team is winning the night.
The team that wins is going to win the national championship,
and the team that loses is going to go four
and eight. And it's just look at the beginning of
the season against I mean, look at the middle of
the season Ohio State at Oregon last year versus the
end of the season Ohio State in Oregon and the

(59:20):
Rose Bowl teams improved. You don't win national championships in September.
You you know, it's the hottest team at the end
of the season. So I would I would avoid good, bad,
or indifferent, a overly freaking out about the against About
that first game, Terry says Mike Kedditch, the center for
Indiana said the shoe is so loud he couldn't hear

(59:42):
his left guard. How much louder will the Texas game be?
Buckeye fans got to bring it.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, it's it's I can't wait obviously now, I'm not
trying to wish him here right away because there's a
lot of stuff to do before then.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
But we have a lot of content we got to
get out before then.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
It would just be it would just be so nice
a thousand the night game and we could enjoy the
entire day rather than getting to campus I don't know,
like seven to enjoy as much of the the just
the environment. Yeah, because that's that's always a big thing
as well, Just like that was what was so good
about One of the great things about the Tennessee game
being a night game. You could get there early ish

(01:00:20):
and just enjoy the fact that there's a huge game
here and this is all. This is college football, this
is what, this is why we love college football. Whereas
with the new games, it's like it's all very compressed.
But yeah, it's still cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Ye speaking of Cole Jordan with a great shout here
talking about teams that you'd love to see Ohio State
play in the College Football Playoff. LSU would be a
good game to see. I that's one where Columbus baton rouge,
sign me up, love it. I would love it. That
would be that would be a phenomenal. That's the that's
to me, the best part of these the College Football

(01:00:55):
Playoff new the format where you've got the on campus
That is the single best piece of it is the
on campus piece. Now, uh Tony, Tony has it pulled
up on his screen, so I have to look. Kevin
wants to know the overall record in that series. I
know Ohio State tied one and one one in the
nineteen eighties. I don't know if they played other than that.

(01:01:20):
Oh yes, yes, yeah, yeh yes, sorry, they did play
in the National Championship Game in two thousand and seven.
So is it one one in one? Okay? Yeah, I
was trying to think of there was it. I was
thinking back to regular season games and so, yeah, they
tied one in one one in the eighties and lost
the national championship.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
The regular season games were classics, down to the wire,
Bobby with a big win there in eighty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I believe yep one of two famous thirteen thirteen Ohio
State ties in the late eighties and early nineties. Yes,
Gordon Gee only recognizes one of them. In as Kevin
points out, Mika says, don't sleep on Lincoln keyholes. Yeah,
I mean we're not. I think think linking key holes
is you know, I think there is still a close

(01:02:05):
enough quarterback battle that it is legitimately a question which
guy is going to start. And I think, to me,
right now, Ohio State is waiting for someone to kind
of get across the finish line. There is a you know,
there is a certain standard that they're looking for out
of their starting quarterback, and I don't know that they
feel that either of those guys is there yet. And

(01:02:27):
I think that's the same thing, the same kind of
conversation we had in twenty twenty three to a certain degree,
where there was a little bit of a back and
forth jockeying and you were sort of waiting for someone
to get across the finish line. Generally, these quarterback competitions,
we have a sense who's going, you know who's ahead,
even if they don't want to say it. And I
think we've generally been right on that. You know that

(01:02:49):
that person is ultimately won out, and I think Saying
will ultimately win out. But I also keen Holes is Keyhols.
They have been very high in Keyholes even since he
go to Ohio State. So he's he's gotten thrown in
some really unfair situations like that Cotton Bowl was extraordinarily unfair.
But he's you know, he he is someone who has

(01:03:12):
the tools to be a very good Ohio State quarterback.
Julian Saying has the tools to be a very good
Ohio State quarterback. I think they're just waiting for someone
to kind of get across the threshold and really win
that job.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
And let me be the first to say, nobody's ever
said this, they're gonna be both of those guys this year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
But what about Tony. I thought, if you had two quarterbacks,
you had no quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Well, there's someone will say that that's why you need
to you need to have the starter settled for Texas
and then it's not one, Well, we're gonna do this
the Jim Harbaugh way. We're gonna let somebody start against Texas.
Be more specific, then we're gonna let somebody start against
Grand Blake, and whoever has the better day, yeah, gets
to start the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Of the season. Wouldn't be the first time you had
a quarterback drama with a Texas game in the Horseshoe.
That was too soon twenty years ago. Who says she'd
like Miami just to break their hearts again? That's I mean,
that's another series that we haven't seen, and that's that's
one they haven't played since what twenty and eleven? Yeah,

(01:04:11):
it feels like they've played. Yeah, I mean two and two.
There was they had the home and home, Yeah, the
home and home in the and eleven, the National Championship
game in the Fiesta Bowl, the Kickoff Classic in East
Brotherford in nineteen ninety nine. Boy, that was a game
that didn't go the way I was expecting. And then

(01:04:33):
nineteen seventy seven Ohio State beat him ten to nothing.
That game is famous, Tony. What is the nineteen seventy
seven Miami Ohio State game famous.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
For what do You Food Poison?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
There was a documentary film crew there in the locker
room before the game, and so when you see footage
of Woody Hayes in the locker room, it's from the documentary,
I think, so, yes, yeah, and so that was that
was that game.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
So yeah, that I would I would be okay with
this Miami because it's Miami in Ohio Stadium in December.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Yeah right, yeah, and we've been known to that stadium
in Miami before like that. That is uniquely charmless. It's
probably a good way to describe the the Miami home
game experience. And we've you know, it's it's an off
campus stadium, it's an NFL stadium. It might as well

(01:05:29):
even if as it is a Miami home game, it
might as well be a you know, neutral site game
in terms of just this. You know, it's not the campus,
it's not the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I don't want to go to Miami, I no, nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Yeah right yeah. The Rose bowls the Rose Bowl, but yeah,
for the the the Orange Bowl is just a place
off of an exit extra home depot, which is less
less depot. Yeah, yeah, Neil Harris, we we it's nine
thirty am here. Neil Harris has correctly called it Kevin Afternoon.

(01:06:03):
It is on the East Coast. Love it guys, is
Ryan glad to have you here, Ryan Terry, says Kevin,
Man of the people. That's only true for a very
specific subset of people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
People means just two persons at the minimum.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
In maximom Yeah uh, sir, Eric ms Is and c
if twenty six. I snuck ECU in the playoffs on
my round one game was Penn Satan thought, since James
Franklin is in the game, now I got a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
That's where you just you play the game. You go
along and you know something's gonna happen for you, like
when you used to play techno football and you knew
Joe Montana is going to destroy you, because that's just
the way the game is written and coded.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Neil Anderson, I know you're a Bears fan and probably Bears.
That toss played to Neil Anderson eight Neil Live in
the Techmo Super Bowl, Mike says we need to put
some skin in the game this year with bold predictions.
Loser of each each road week has to sleep in
the hotel bathtub. That's with no Kidney. That's that's uh,

(01:07:04):
that would be extremely bold. Uh. Well, Adam, Adam wants
to know. And we're going to ask sure On more
where why he suspended for games three and four and
not games one and two. I mean we can we
we know the answer to that question already. And the
answer to that is sure On Moore went to Oklahoma
and so play the game at Oklahoma week two is
one that is particularly meaningful to him personally, and so
he would like to be there. So that's that's the

(01:07:26):
answer to that question.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
And again, any question that has anything to do with
the NCAA investigation, Saran Moore is not going to answer. No,
It's just I can't. I can't speak on an ongoing investigation.
So it's like, why aren't people asking him about it?
It's like because they know what he's going to say,
because it's not can provide an answer. So and then
if you don't ask him about it's like you're it
looks like you're avoiding it. But it's a waste of question.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
And and these just to give you a sense for
how this how these events are structured. You're in kind
of this big group setting, and these are generally unmoderated.
This is not like the Ryan Day press conference in Ohio
State where Jerry Imic is standing in the front and
he knows you know, you raise your hand and he
writes your name down and then he points to you
and says Tony Garderman buck huddle on and Tony asked

(01:08:11):
this question. It is just a group of people standing
around in a disorganized mob and just sort of shouting stuff.
And you're going to get probably one question in as
because you know Sharon Moore is going to be a
very popular interview subject. There's gonna be a lot of
people around him, and so you're going to get one question.

(01:08:32):
Is your one question? One where you I just want
to ask this question, even though I know he's not
going to answer it. You want to get an answer
to the question. So you want to ask something, and
you want to ask it in a way that you're
actually going to gain some new information rather than just
I'm trying to prove trying to prove a point someone
and in.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Terms of like is he suspended for games three or four?
Like that's not even been.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Brett biela mount just down the road
from us. Well, you want to ask him. You want
to go ask him? Well, yeah, yeah, seriously go ask him.
Brett Brett Biels just a couple of spots down radio row.
That would be a that would be a fun guest.
I'm not sure what his schedule is today. He's getting good. Yeah,

(01:09:14):
he's getting getting miked up to go talk to someone.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
I don't think we're gonna be around long enough to Yeah,
we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
I will I will make an exception. Well, we'll hang
on if we can get him, But we'll see. Uh.
Terry wants to know can Texas slow down Jeremiah Smith again?
Max Claire will have a good day if they bracket Jeremiah.
If they bracket Jeremiah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
That's how I view it, Like, if you want to
go ahead and load up on Jeremiah. The Ohio State
tight ends had seven catches in the game the Texis
game last year corneltey and five or seven in that one.
So if they're doing that, then there's gonna be opportunity
for everybody else, and you've got to just take advantage
to those opportunities.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Yeah, speaking of opportunities, Oh, Tony. Mike Ferguson wants to
know has Tony found an obstruction post in the press
room for the Obligua story picture. Yet, Tony, there are
some obstructions in.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
There, certainly are. There's obstructions to product productivity, there's abs
directions to viewing. Yes, there are very many obstructions in
the media room.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Yeah, it is. It is an interesting setup on there.
On wondering if they've got some stuff. Hopefully some stuff
figured out over there, But we'll see. Santa Serah says
live from Vegas. Hope you like the three hundred dollars
hotel rooms. Here's a little secret about Las Vegas. No
one wants to come to Las Vegas in July because
it's twelve thousand degrees, so the hotel rooms are very
reasonably priced this time of year. Yes, Oh, Kevin. Kevin

(01:10:29):
just nodded at me, and I got very excited for him.
I'm not sad. Yeah, that's it. We can. We can
do it. I don't think one of us would have
to leave. We can. Well, that's fine. Well, rock paper scissors,
you can actually take them over for a morning shair. Yeah,

(01:10:49):
So Doug wants to know. Have they announced tickets for
the first few practices yet? Yes, that if you go
to Ohio State Buckeyes dot com. I think that's it's
at least the front page of the football section might
be the front page of the entire Ohio State Bluckey's site.
But ohigos State Buckyes dot commoy you have, Yeah, training
camp tickets are on sale now and then you can
view more there. It's August first, second, third, it's a

(01:11:10):
Friday Saturday Sunday morning. Thirty first, thirty first thirty first,
first and second. Okay, uh so their first, first and second.
Oh so it's it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Uh and then yeah,
so those are those are on sale right now, and
we will be there for all of We will be
there for all of those. Drowsey Dragon says Miami is
a shell of their former selves, never covered from that loss,

(01:11:31):
and hard hard to argue you think that there was
thirty four wins in a row going into that f
Festa Bowl and they haven't gotten close to that point
since then, not even close. Uh yeah, te thirteen says
VIP tickets sold up for a couple of the days. Yeah,
but you know you still you know, you're well, there's
always the resale. Yeah, well though, I mean I have

(01:11:55):
seen the o High State spring game resale tickets. So,
I mean, crazier things have happened. We'll see those are
I think the coolest thing just looking at the kids
and families over in the area where they are. You're
you're kind of along the side of one of the
practice fields. But generally you'll have players who come out

(01:12:17):
and will high five or sign autographs or whatever. So
you'll you will generally before or after practice, if you're there,
be able to have your kids, you know, meet meet
some players. You know, no guarantees on who it is,
but I mean it was generally like guys, a whole
bunch of guys would run out and kind of high
five the kids and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
So that was kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Let's see, I think we are mostly through it is. Oh,
it's just me, Tim says, try to get authentic Vietnamese. Fuh,
it's really good in Vegas. We have a really good
Vietnamese place, believe it or not in Granville, which is
a small small town about thirty miles of Columbus. Uh,

(01:13:01):
but three Tigers Brewing and Mike Chow. It's a very good, y,
very good U spot. Not a sponsor, but Doug Shepard say,
Sean More can always buy a ticket to the Oplayer game.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
You can get one from counter stallions. Should we should
we wrap up on that one?

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Uh yeah, that's uh oh yeah, and and uh yeah
this is yeah. This is a great point from Drasey
Dragon Bilamo was great against South Carolina that bowl game
totally got into Beamer's head. That was also a team
that was a game where they won that game in
the most Brett Bulama fashion. They have their package. They
have a seven offensive line package that they call the
Barge package, which is like all these teams have different names.

(01:13:44):
And the High Stay calls their six offensive one package
the Bison. They call it the seven. The seven one
is a Barge package at Illinois, which is a great name.
And they got up, they got up in seven offensive
line and it's like we're gonna run the ball, We're
gonna just gonna mash your face. It's you know, remember
the Oklahoma Drill's let's see if you like the Oklahoma
drill during a game, and they did it, and you

(01:14:07):
know he is. I am fascinated to ask an Illinois
reporter if I can get a chance to talk to one,
why does he work in the Big Ten. So so well,
he just it is you look at what they're doing
in Illinois and it's like it's all the stuff that
works so well with Wisconsin, it's now working with with Illinois,

(01:14:27):
and it's just it's remarkable how well he works in
the in the in that, in that in the Big
ten country and then Big ten footprint.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Yeah, no, he's When he left, I was I wrote
that Ohio State or the Big Ten needs another Brett
Mela and then Jim Harba came around.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
But no, no, not like that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
But he's he's great for the conference. I always enjoy,
especially in the Big Ten media days. Back when he
was with Wisconsin, he'd always say something that would you
get it get oh yeah, yeah yeah ready so yeah, yeah.
It's too bad he has me blocked on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Uh that if we get a chance to talk to him,
I'll make sure. That's the first question I asked. Mike says,
I saw that Kevin posted about the lack of power
outlets there. I guess he's on the pedal bike the
whole time to keep the stream powered. Yes, we have
found we have, he said, some more of a hamster wheel.
He's in one of those big balls from Mockerball. He's
and he's just bouncing around. It's it's kind of like

(01:15:27):
nuclear power, where the things have to crash into each other.
Let's take him over to the escalators. Oh man, oh man. Yes,
So if you do see a video later of Kevin
going down the escalators, uh, you'll find that here at
YouTube dot com slash buck ahead Ale. But I think
we are probably at the point where we can wrap things.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
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