September 21, 2025 • 31 mins
Washington vs. Washington State Recap & Ohio State Preview | Buckeye Weekly Podcast
In this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr analyze Washington's 59-24 victory over Washington State. They break down Washington's key players, including quarterback Demond Williams, and discuss the potential impact on the upcoming game against Ohio State. The episode also explores Washington's defensive strengths and weaknesses, highlighting areas where Ohio State could exploit opportunities. Don't miss their insights on key matchups, player performances, and what to expect when Washington faces the Buckeyes. Subscribe to Buckeye Weekly Podcast for more game previews and analyses.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:10 Recap of the Boeing Apple Cup
01:23 Washington's Offensive Standouts
07:34 Washington's Offensive Line Analysis
14:11 Washington's Defensive Line and Secondary
27:00 Special Teams and Final Thoughts
31:14 Conclusion and Sign-Off
In this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr analyze Washington's 59-24 victory over Washington State. They break down Washington's key players, including quarterback Demond Williams, and discuss the potential impact on the upcoming game against Ohio State. The episode also explores Washington's defensive strengths and weaknesses, highlighting areas where Ohio State could exploit opportunities. Don't miss their insights on key matchups, player performances, and what to expect when Washington faces the Buckeyes. Subscribe to Buckeye Weekly Podcast for more game previews and analyses.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:10 Recap of the Boeing Apple Cup
01:23 Washington's Offensive Standouts
07:34 Washington's Offensive Line Analysis
14:11 Washington's Defensive Line and Secondary
27:00 Special Teams and Final Thoughts
31:14 Conclusion and Sign-Off
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
gerdamand here as always with Tom or Tom.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How's it going, Tony? We are here to talk about
the Boeing Apple Cup. Do I normally say the sponsor names? No? However,
does it set me up to make a joke about
how the door completely blew off for Washington State and
they suffered the explosive decompression in the fourth quarter, Tony,
it sure does.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
The good news is the Washington State Cougar's never felt
a thing. It was over before they knew it was over,
as the Husky scored what twenty eight points in the
fourth quarter and did not help themselves in any of
that by turning the ball over and just just really
making a mess of things in that last five fifteen
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minutes and the first forty five minutes of this game
were pretty darn good. Washington State kept fighting back and
doing what they had to do. But yes, we are
here to revisit the four win for Washington over Washington
State Indiapple Cup. I don't know how many people watched
it live, probably not that many. I had it on
(01:10):
here and there and would you know then then, because
it started getting good, I was like, well, I'm just
gonna keep this one on here, and then it then
it got bad, and it was let's not talk about it,
but we have to. We are here to talk about
it time. And the first thing I want to talk
about is, I think what you always have to talk
about with Washington. And again, let's start with quarterback Demand
Williams sixteen of nineteen two hundred and ninety eight yards
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four touchdowns, carried the ball thirteen times for eighty eight yards.
Twenty eight of those yards were lost to via sacks
or you know, negative runs at a long rush of
twenty six yards. So basically, you know, I had the ball,
touch the ball thirty two times throwing and rushing and
put up almost four hundred yards. And he is one
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of the best playmakers in the Big Ten, regardless of position.
I know, maybe there's a separate show of where exactly
is he in the hierarchy of Big ten playmakers. He's
not the biggest guy. He got sacked three times, but
he is dangerous as all heck still, and we said
it last week, We're gonna say again this week.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, he definitely is someone that you have to you
can never assume, Okay, well he's in a bad spot,
so everything will be fine now, no, no, no, no, no,
he is There was one play where he looked like
he was going to be sacked and sort of spun
away from that, got out of the pocket, got it
out to Jonah Coleman, the running back. He also made
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someone miss out in space and it was you just
went from an eight yard loss on a sack to
about a thirty yard game through the air, and it
was like, how did he do that? And he just
he consistently will make plays with his legs. Sometimes it's
a design run, and he was very effective in the
Design run game. But a lot of times it's just
third down, he's in the pocket, no one's open, Okay,
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he'll just scramble for the first rount he and his
first step is fast. He gets up to top speed
almost immediately, and I think he's gonna be one of
those guys where you've seen him on film and you go, Okay,
this guy's fast. It just feels like the way he
outruns angles, it just seems like he's one of those
guys who's faster on the field than he looks on film.
So you feel like, Okay, I've got to take a
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little bit of a different angle on him, and then
he just kind of jets right past you and he
is able to make plays with his legs. He's also
very comfortable throwing the ball down field like he is.
He will just heave one downfield and as often as
not connects with someone and as often as not it's
Denzel Boston, the wide receiver. We talked about. You know,
we watched the Colorado State game and I came away thinking,
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there are three names you need to know on this offense,
and it is it is Denzel Boston the wide receiver,
Demon Williams a quarterback, and Jonah Coleman the running back.
And after watching another game, I think, tone there are
three names you need to know on the Washington offense.
Those are them. Other than that, you look down the rest.
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You know. They had Muhammed the backup running back, six
carries for twenty five yards. He had one rush for
twenty and then five carries for five yards. He had.
Outside of those two guys, Boston and Coleman both had
one hundred yards receiving. Amari Evans had a fifty nine
yard touchdown in garbage time. Other than that, Muhammad had
a sixteen one reception for sixteen yards and that was it,
and a couple guys had one reception for less than
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ten yards each. This is really a team where you
don't want to say listen, no one else matters. But
also kind of based on what we've seen so far
this year, those three guys and if someone else beat you,
someone else beat you. But those are the three guys
you really got to kind of focus on.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know who else. If you
are stopping those three guys, there's not enough around them
to beat you. I'm wondering, do you only need to
stop one? Do you need to stop two? I feel
like if you if you stop one, then you're gonna
be in a pretty good spot because any one of
those three you stop them, and then who else is
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behind them, who else is gonna make this make something happen.
The Amario Evans that you mentioned had a fifty nine
yard touchdown a deep shot in the I think it
maybe may have been a little bit of a just
a broken coverage. And but this is at the end
of the game, when Washington's already up fifty two to
twenty eight or fifty whatever, fifty two to twenty four,
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and all of Washington starters are still in the game.
One offense, quarterback, you get the running back, you get
the receivers out there, and they're still throwing it around
trying to I don't know put a stamp on this one,
but outside of those three, there's a bunch of questions. However,
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those three, you can put those three against any other
three players in college football, and they're gonna stand their own.
They're gonna hold their own. Like one of my thoughts
on Denzel Boston the wide receiver, is he could play
at Ohio State, And that's to me, that's a that's
a high praise for a wide receiver, and he could
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play at Ohio State. He had a couple of touchdowns
in this one. He had a nice fade in the
end zone where the cornerback stood no shot against him.
The ballerstone high where he could go get it. The
cornerback was just you know, being towered over. And you
know he started off the game in the slot, like
they'll move him around, they'll get him involved. What do
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you have. He had a one hundred and six yards
or something like that. Receiving in this one and was
one hundred and seven on six catches, the Jonah Coleman
thing career high day and receptions and yards six for
one oh four, ninety three of those after contact yards
after the catch rather, so you know, he's these are
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all catching the ball due to the line of scrimmage,
and then he's just doing what he does because Jonah
Coleman is a beast and hard to tackle and hard
to deal with. Rush for fifty nine yards on twelve carries,
long of thirteen, so they held him and check there,
and maybe that's why it was a tie game, seven
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point game very early in the fourth quarter that they
were able to contain that running aspect, but Washington still
ran for one seventy three five point two per carry
three for two ninety eight. This offense is fun to watch.
It's it's so tied into demand Williams though, and this
offensive line Tom, I don't They've not been challenged, but
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they've also been giving up some stuff. So like right
guard Gary and Hatchet got pushed back a couple of times.
This there's there's room for an Ohire State defensive line
to make this offensive lines a hell. And then by proxy,
demand Williams as well.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It's just what does he.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Do once that chaos starts and do they contain him?
Does he get out and make something happen.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
He does not.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Handle the blitzes all that well. He does not handle
as most quarterbacks. The straight rush up the middle can
affect him. But boy, the offensive line to me is
where ohios date can attack these guys in terms of
the offense, and then you just deal with what else
happens around that.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, you mentioned a name or two there that kind
of had some trouble at point. I have left tackle
Carver Well, it's number fifty. He gave up a sack
I think on the first snap of the game. I
mean it was just and he had another one or
two where it was like, yeah, that's real, real obvious
holding because you got beaten around the edge and it
didn't always get cold. But you know, that's a spot
where you could maybe take advantage of someone off the edge.
(08:44):
You know, I don't know that that's a winning matchup
against someone like Rvel Reese for example. And then John
Mills the left guard. He is seventeen years old, true freshman,
number seventy two. That is insane that you were physically
able to hold up as a big ten left guard
as a seventeen year old. That is incredibly impressive. Has
he played a big ten team yet? No, he has not.
(09:06):
What will that look like against Caden MacDonald or Edric
Houston or will Smith Junior. I mean, we'll all find
out on Saturday. I look at the offensive line and
I think there's a lot of guys who you look
and go, yeah, he might need a little bit of
help against you know, name the Ohio State player who
might be across the line. You can't give them all help.
(09:27):
You can't double everyone. So I think that's going to
be an area where Williams got sacked three times against
Washington State and also had several times when he made
someone miss in the pocket and extended to play or
you know, ended up scrambling for a big gain. The
players are going to be bigger, They're going to be
coming faster, they are going to be better tacklers than
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the Washington State guys. The offensive line is definitely I
think the area that I look at on offense and
go that might be a problem for Washington. And you know,
if Washington does not score week we talked about this
on the an episode of the Morning Show. But Washington
has zero punts and zero turnovers on their last twenty
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three possessions. The last twenty three drives nineteen touchdowns, two
field goals to kneel downs. I'm expecting a punt. I'm
probably expecting a turnover on Saturday. I think that's probably
that streak will probably come to an end, and that
will probably because of the offensive line and the thing
that worries me a little bit from Washington's perspective on
demand Williams is he does not slide. He is going
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to fight for every last yard. And that is wonderful.
That is very admirable, you know, heart of a champion,
all that kind of stuff. Remember when I said that
their guys are going to be bigger and faster and
stronger and coming at you with a greater amount of
force than you have seen earlier this year. You may
want to get down and you may want to find,
you know, get out of bounds. Don't necessarily fight for
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the extra couple of yards. That doesn't seem because Williams
is an immensely talented player. I stood next to a
big ten Meeta days. He is not a big dude,
is he is not someone that is going to be
physically imposing, even like a Bryce Underwood would be. That's
not the kind of quarterback he is. I look at
him in you know, in the open field and think,
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you better get down. You better really pick your battles.
If it's fourth and whatever and you need to get
to the marker, get to the marker, Like do what
you got to do to get to the marker. If
it's first and ten and you've picked up thirteen yards,
you should be sliding. That is he just he almost
seems to seek out contact. He took some really big hits,
even on plays that weren't sacks. He had a scramble
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where one Washington State guy hit him and then another
guy kind of cleaned him up a little bit and
really drilled him into the turf. That just feels like
that's not gonna be something that's sustainable all season long.
And I don't know how sustainable it's going to be
over three hours against Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, he was taking some shots there in the second
half as well, even when they were up by you know, fourteen,
you wouldn't necessarily need to do that. He needs to
get down, but this is also a game where every
yard is going to be important, and so how do
you balance that safety? You know, the flight versus fights,
a slide versus fight type of thing, because he's he's
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a competitor and he is tenacious. But he was sacked
three times against Colorado State, sacked three times against Washington State.
And this is a guy who's able to get out
of sacks as well. So the uisting defense getting after
him initially, and then he needs to get down so
that he's when when the buck guys are cleaning up,
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they're not cleaning up in a way that leaves him
down for the count one. I think maybe the last
thing that I wanted to mention on the offense and
that Adam Mohammad, the backup running back who looks like
this big back. You know, the first time we saw him, like,
this guy looks like he's kind of is he their
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version of C. J. Donaldson, you know, like six two five.
He's six foot two twelve. The reason he looks so
big is because he standing next to Demond Williams or
he's being used to seeing Jonah Coleman out there, and
Demond Williams is all of five to eleven. Jonah Coleman's
all of five A. He just looks comparatively big to
the smaller guys that they normally have in the backfield.
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But he he's a guy. I'm not gonna, you know,
denigrate him like he's he's a legit back up in
the Big ten and he will play in this game.
Just tackle him because he is strong. He's a strong runner.
But yeah, like the three guys that you need to
know are the three guys you mentioned. You did you
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mentioned the Carver Willis to left tackle. He was Will
Howard's left tackle at Kansas State. So small world. He's
not the only guy from Kansas State to uh, you know,
to show up against the Buckeyes. They happened in the
rose Ball last year as well.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, and obviously a big fan of the color purple.
So you know, we'll it's it's gonna be interesting to
see how this line holds up because they've given up
tackles for loss, they've given up sacks, they've given up
lots of pressure, and they haven't faced a defense that's
kind of the caliber of the defense are going to play.
So yeah, that that to me is a bit of
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a concern on the other side of the ball, the
defensive line. I don't view the defensive line as a
real concern. That doesn't look I could see the Ohio
State defensive line versus the Washington offensive line being a
little bit of a mismatch that goes a long way
towards deciding how this game goes. The other side, the
defensive line, I've been pretty impressed with them overall. They
rotate a ton of guys through there. I think they
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said they've rotated like eleven or twelve guys through in
the last couple of games, and they were rotating very
deep as well in this game. And Washington State just
Washington State couldn't do anything on the ground. And you know,
Washington State's offensive line is no great shakes. But they
finished twenty eight carries twenty seven yards even sack adjusted,
you remove the sacks. They rushed for one point nine
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yards per carry, and they had Washington also had a
ton of prece sure on the quarterbacks they got, they get.
They finished with three sacks, but it felt like they
could have had, you know, seven tackles for laws, and
it felt like they were just kind of constantly in
there and constantly pressuring Washington State's quarterback where he's kind
of throwing off platform. You had guys open in the secondary,
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you know, and we'll get to the secondary in a minute.
But you know, Washington was able to kind of compensate
for that with a pretty good pass rush. I don't
know that they're gonna be able to do that against
Ohio State. I think, you know, I don't think Ohio
State's gonna be able to just run the ball like
crazy against them by any means. I'm also not expecting
them to hold Ohio State to one point nine yards
per carry sack adjusted. But you know, on the whole,
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as far as the as far as the defense goes,
the defensive front, I think seems like it's you know,
it's at least a solid unit on the whole.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's not something you're looking at and you're going, well,
the Ohio State's gonna run for two hundred and fifty
yards on these guys. They might, I'm not expecting it,
but you know, he'd certainly need a couple of long
ones in there. We finally got to uh to see
more of defensive end Zach Durfy, who was one of
the players to watch against Colorado State, and we tried
and we didn't really see much. And this when he
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had a pass rush that led to an interception. So
that was gonna see that there's an ungal la on
this defensive line. I don't recall seeing him against Colorado
or Colorado State. We're hearing his name and so that
was that was interesting one Like I don't I'm not
blown away by anything on defense from these guys. Adam
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Muhammad or not Adam Mohammad, but Adam McLachlan McLaughlin is
Aaron Adam.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It is chat him down here. He is, Oh, I
know I had him. He had two interceptions, Yeah, two
interceptions as that team is see they got yah.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It can only be so many of those. He former
walk on from Northern Arizona, I believe. And again he
is their their deep safety. Six tackles, two interceptions and
had a pick pick six in this one and basically
that turned the game. That was the end. That was
That was the maybe the straw that broke the camel
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there and that was the beginning of the end. But
anything other anything else well, and the one of their
linebackers got hurt.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, that was that was Tarika al Upta. He got
kind of rolled up on and I mean they showed
him on the sideline and it did not look good.
It looked like, yeah, that's probably a high ankle sprain
or maybe a knee and it did not look like, yeah,
he'll be fine for next week. I have not seen
any kind of an update on him yet, but just
just from how it looked, he doesn't. You know, it
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does not look like someone who's going to be one
hundred percent next week.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
No, and that that would be a significant loss for
them because he is their number two tackler. I believe
do you do you want to talk about the secondary?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And I think we should talk about the secondary. We
had the the positive conversation about the secondary already, which
is Alex McLaughlin, who is sort of the just annoying
guy who I'm not going to say deceptively athletic, but
if I did, you would kind of get the right picture.
He needs someone who just sort of is always around
the ball and the ball kind of finds him. And
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it was a it was a deflected pass. The intercepted
on the first one, and it was a one where
the throw is kind of behind the receiver. And he
made a nice play on the ball, broke on it well,
and ended up picking it off and running it back
for a touchdown. But it's not you know, this is
not the athletic freak that you go, wow, this is
you know, he's not cabled downs. But also the ball
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just kind of keeps finding him, and he keeps he
keeps making plays on the ball, and at some point
that stops being a coincidence. So you know, that's that's
I think a very positive for Washington. The secondary Tony
can we have the conversation about Leroy Bryant not number zero,
the slot corner, because I remember I'm watching him and
I'm going I'm having flashbacks to when we were watching
Tennessee last year and I'm going, Oh, this dude's about
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to have a real bad time. Like you're watching the
It wasn't Jermald McCoy. It was the other Ricky Gibson
was the corner for Tennessee, and it was just we're
watching him play against Georgia and it was like, Oh,
you're about to have a bad day, friend, And that
was one I saw him lined up over Jeremiah Smith
in the first quarter and I went, oh, here comes
the touchdown and it was immediately a touchdown. Like he
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plays in the slot, and I just think he might
not have a great day on Saturday. It just he
gave up a long pass down the right sideline, he
gave up a slant for a touchdown, he gave up
a long post down the middle of the field, and
you know he's not gonna be one on one if
those were three plays where he was one on one
and he got burnt on all three of them. And
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that's Washington State receivers. Like, I think you're going to
be facing more athletic receivers and a better quarterback and
an offensive line that it's going to have better pass
protection and you're not gonna be able to have safety
help on all every play like so you're gonna have
to figure it out. And it just just watching it, it
was just kind of like sometimes you just kind of go, oh,
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like this this might not go great. That was that
was someone who I kind of looked at and thought, yes,
this might not go great.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Well, and then he got benched and he didn't come
back until until late in the game when it was over.
Like he gave up I don't know if it was
after like the last deep shot that he gave up.
Then they just like no, you're done, and Rechard freshman
Rashaun Clark went it for him, and also true freshman
Dylan Robinson went in for them. I think the biggest
issue here was starting quarnerback to cary O Davis was out.
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I wonder if they held him out so that he
would be for sure able to go against Ohio State.
So then you had Lee or Bryant also having to
play outside corner, which he's he's their nickel, and so
he was a little bit playing a position that you
played nickel because maybe nobody wants you're You're not you're
not desired, desirable outside enough, so you play nickel. But
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he was giving up catches on the inside, he was
giving up catches on the outside. And then finally it
was like send sending the second team er, sending the freshman.
And so they had cornerback Dylan Robinson, who was a
true freshman out there a lot there then in the
second half, and I don't know if that's a great
solution either. I know it's not. So they need Carrio
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Davis back, and even when they get him, Caryo Davis
had his issues against Colorado State, will just remind you
of that. So the secondary here, if you give Julian
Saying time to throw, I expect them to do very
well against Washington secondary. Nothing I've seen to this point
where you're like, stay away from this guy, Stay away
from that guy. Ephesians Price Sock. I don't even know
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if they needed to go at him in this one,
because they had the whole Leroy Bryant thing.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Right, and they threw it at price Sock a few times,
and he was pretty physical on at least a couple
of the throws in his direction and didn't get called
for anything. But that's something where if you being physical
with Washington States guys, you're gonna have to be more
physical presumably with Ohio States guys, if you're gonna try
and you know, I think that that's just something to
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sort of keep an eye on. And you know, both
of the outside corners for Washington we talked about this
on the last show. They're both six foot four, so
that's going to be a really interesting matchup to see.
They're not necessarily guys you can go up and beat high,
as they have been able to do against a lot
of corners this year, but you might be able to
beat him deep. You just it just feels like if
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Ohio State can give Julian Say in time, there are
going to be opportunities in the secondary and Washington is
going to have to I think, you know, I think
that the front seven is pretty good. I think it's
gonna be solid. I don't think they're gonna be able
to blow up the run game like they did against
Washington State. If Ohio State's able to run the ball early,
I think that's gonna be a big red warning sign
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for for Washington. If if you see whether it's James
People's or CJ. Donalds n or Bo Jackson running for
five six yards early in the game, and you're gonna
and you know, and then Washington maybe had to bring
someone else down into the box, you're gonna that's really
gonna open things up downfield. I think Washington may try
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and sort of play it straight or keep, you know,
keep keep a couple guys deep. Uh. You know, Ryan
Molters has for years and years and years been a
man coverage guy. I think you're gonna have to keep
safeties deep because I don't think these are guys corners
that can just play man against these Ohio State wide receivers.
So I think you're gonna have to keep guys, keep
a couple guys deep, which then potentially, you know, if
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you're playing man, you're running with your back, you're running
with the wide receivers with your back to the line
of scrimmage. That can open up big plays in the
run game. So I think there's just a lot of
stuff here that I kind of look at for Washington
and Go. I don't love that matchup for them, just
based on what we've seen in the first three games,
and we don't know how much they've shown. Have they
have they shown everything they're gonna show. Probably not. I'm
(24:05):
sure they'll have some fun new stuff for Ohio State.
But the defense I just look at and GO, I
can see areas where you may not have a great time.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, especially if they're banged up at linebackers, maybe banged
up at corner. It was interesting Priceock was in the
nickel at one point in the first half. He's in
the slot on third down, so I don't know if
that was something they normally do and that's just where
they put him. And then they put the smaller guys
outside to handle things, or if he was following somebody around.
(24:35):
I don't know. Defensively, I'm looking at this drive chart,
and Washington State had a drive in the fourth quarter
ten plays, fourteen yards, five minutes and twenty seconds. Okay,
that's fantastic, good job. I don't know how I assume
(24:57):
a penalty or some losses there.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
But yeah, that was I kind of find that one
in the In the play by play, it was, yeah,
they had a an eleven yard sack, they picked it up.
They picked up a first down to midfield and then
had a sack for eleven yards, had a pass that
was dropped, had a fumbled snap, and then a pass
that was dropped. So yeah, they it. It was a
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you picked up a couple first downs and then had
a just the wheels completely fell off, sack, dropped, pass,
fumbled snap, and then another dropped. So yeah, don't I
would advise anyone playing Washington, not just Washington State, what
rifles or not, I would advise anyone to not have
a drive like that because it won't end well.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So nine basically nine drives for Washington State in this game.
They had drives of eight plays eleven eight one seven,
and don't even count that one that was that was
a nail down at the end of the half. So
eight eleven eight seven, nine to seven one, which was
a fumble than a ten. The only three and out
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they had came at the end of the game when
they punted from their own territory, you know, because the
game was over. But that was the only three and
out for Washington State. And there's just a lot of
signs here that Ohio State should be able to score
some points and that defensively for Ohio State, they should
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be able to have more wins than losses. I don't
expect Washington to score on every possession. I'll say that.
I don't know if that's save it for the bold predictions,
but I can't wait to get there. The road atmosphere
is going to change, you know. It's just it's going
to add to it as well. It's just not about
the numbers. But there are another enough interesting numbers here
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where you can see why Ohio State has opened as
like a thirteen point favorite than I saw. It might
be down to like ten, so who knows where it'll
be by the time the game gets here. But anything
else on the defense that you wanted to touch on.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
No, the only other note I had was on the
placekicker Grady Gross, who he two years ago was great.
Last year, he I think just kind of had the
yips and then on Saturday drilled a fifty one yarder
straight down the middle and hit the net. So it's
good from fifty five at least. And if he's you know,
if he's back to what he had been earlier in
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his career, that's someone who could be a potential difference
maker if this game comes down to the you know,
to the back half of the fourth quarter. That's that's
certainly a nice club to have in your bag. To
be able to just trot out someone to just casually
drill a fifty yarder. That is not not a luxury
that every team has. So that's that's I think something
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just to kind of keep in the back of your mind.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Washington State through an onside kick in there, which you
can completely understand, you got to make it, take it.
If you got an opportunity to steal, steal possessions, you
have to do it. So applaud them for that. Interestingly,
so buddha ou Loot, the linebacker, we talked about formerly
of Washington State, made that transfer from Washington State to Washington.
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Anything else from this game that you wanted to touch
on before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
No, I just but I think people are going to
come away from this and say Ohio State forty two,
Washington thirteen. I think you're gonna have to account for
the crowd, the atmosphere, the cross country travel, all that
kind of stuff. I think Ohio State has a pretty
clear talent advantage in a lot of places, like this
is gonna be a lot like you. I remember going
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to the covering the Rose Bowl the Jake Browning year
twenty eighteen, and you had the Ohio State interviews, and
you had the Washington interviews, and the Washington offensive linemen
were all like thirty pounds later and four inch is
shorter than the Ohio State offensive lineman, and you kind
of went, Oh, that's how this is going to go.
I think you're gonna see some kind of the sort
of physical advantage at Ohio State has over a lot
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of those other teams. But the Washington crowd, the Washington
stadium just sort of blowing up in Ohio State drive
because of a false start and a delay of game
and all of a sudden it's third and seventeen instead
of third and seven. You could you could see something
like that and that may get you know, that may
kill one Ohio State possession. And if you have a
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nine possession kind of game like we've seen a lot
this year, that can make a difference because Washington is
going to score some they're not you know, you're not
gonna shut this team out. This is this is a
game where Washington's going to be you know what, Washington
scoring twenty points or so feels like that's probably about
what the average of people are going to say, you know,
twenty twenty four points something like that. You get one
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drive that gets blown up for Ohio State and all
of a sudden, this could be a close game in
the fourth quarter. So I would you know, I think
we watched this game and what here's lots of areas
where I see potential issues for Washington, But that that crowd,
that stadium, that atmosphere, you could see that leveling things
out a decent amount.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Third downs are the equalizer for both sides, whether it's
the crowd creating an this year on third down for
Ohio State or demand way picking up a third down
and just frustrating the heck out of that Ohio State
defense because there's nobody on the Ohio State scout team
that can mimic what Demand Williams does unless you throw
Turbo Rogers or somebody out there, and they still still
they're not as fast as he is, I promise you.
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So that's Mason Maggs, all due respect, you're not Demand Williams.
So there's no way to act accurately replicate this. I
know back in the years past, one time they had
what Jalen gill Or doing some some work as the quarterback.
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So you just you gotta do what you can do
and try to figure it out again. I can't wait.
It's gonna be. It's gonna be a level up and
speed from what Ohio State has seen to this point.
But they did play Texas, so there's it's a step
down in physicality and just overall the speed of the
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quarterback is the biggest thing. Because the owners, everybody else
has been challenged, they've seen something similar to what they'll
see today on Saturday, but Demand Williams is a different
level from everybody they've seen so far. So don't want
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Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
gerdamand here as always with Tom or Tom.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How's it going, Tony? We are here to talk about
the Boeing Apple Cup. Do I normally say the sponsor names? No? However,
does it set me up to make a joke about
how the door completely blew off for Washington State and
they suffered the explosive decompression in the fourth quarter, Tony,
it sure does.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
The good news is the Washington State Cougar's never felt
a thing. It was over before they knew it was over,
as the Husky scored what twenty eight points in the
fourth quarter and did not help themselves in any of
that by turning the ball over and just just really
making a mess of things in that last five fifteen
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minutes and the first forty five minutes of this game
were pretty darn good. Washington State kept fighting back and
doing what they had to do. But yes, we are
here to revisit the four win for Washington over Washington
State Indiapple Cup. I don't know how many people watched
it live, probably not that many. I had it on
(01:10):
here and there and would you know then then, because
it started getting good, I was like, well, I'm just
gonna keep this one on here, and then it then
it got bad, and it was let's not talk about it,
but we have to. We are here to talk about
it time. And the first thing I want to talk
about is, I think what you always have to talk
about with Washington. And again, let's start with quarterback Demand
Williams sixteen of nineteen two hundred and ninety eight yards
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four touchdowns, carried the ball thirteen times for eighty eight yards.
Twenty eight of those yards were lost to via sacks
or you know, negative runs at a long rush of
twenty six yards. So basically, you know, I had the ball,
touch the ball thirty two times throwing and rushing and
put up almost four hundred yards. And he is one
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of the best playmakers in the Big Ten, regardless of position.
I know, maybe there's a separate show of where exactly
is he in the hierarchy of Big ten playmakers. He's
not the biggest guy. He got sacked three times, but
he is dangerous as all heck still, and we said
it last week, We're gonna say again this week.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, he definitely is someone that you have to you
can never assume, Okay, well he's in a bad spot,
so everything will be fine now, no, no, no, no, no,
he is There was one play where he looked like
he was going to be sacked and sort of spun
away from that, got out of the pocket, got it
out to Jonah Coleman, the running back. He also made
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someone miss out in space and it was you just
went from an eight yard loss on a sack to
about a thirty yard game through the air, and it
was like, how did he do that? And he just
he consistently will make plays with his legs. Sometimes it's
a design run, and he was very effective in the
Design run game. But a lot of times it's just
third down, he's in the pocket, no one's open, Okay,
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he'll just scramble for the first rount he and his
first step is fast. He gets up to top speed
almost immediately, and I think he's gonna be one of
those guys where you've seen him on film and you go, Okay,
this guy's fast. It just feels like the way he
outruns angles, it just seems like he's one of those
guys who's faster on the field than he looks on film.
So you feel like, Okay, I've got to take a
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little bit of a different angle on him, and then
he just kind of jets right past you and he
is able to make plays with his legs. He's also
very comfortable throwing the ball down field like he is.
He will just heave one downfield and as often as
not connects with someone and as often as not it's
Denzel Boston, the wide receiver. We talked about. You know,
we watched the Colorado State game and I came away thinking,
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there are three names you need to know on this offense,
and it is it is Denzel Boston the wide receiver,
Demon Williams a quarterback, and Jonah Coleman the running back.
And after watching another game, I think, tone there are
three names you need to know on the Washington offense.
Those are them. Other than that, you look down the rest.
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You know. They had Muhammed the backup running back, six
carries for twenty five yards. He had one rush for
twenty and then five carries for five yards. He had.
Outside of those two guys, Boston and Coleman both had
one hundred yards receiving. Amari Evans had a fifty nine
yard touchdown in garbage time. Other than that, Muhammad had
a sixteen one reception for sixteen yards and that was it,
and a couple guys had one reception for less than
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ten yards each. This is really a team where you
don't want to say listen, no one else matters. But
also kind of based on what we've seen so far
this year, those three guys and if someone else beat you,
someone else beat you. But those are the three guys
you really got to kind of focus on.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know who else. If you
are stopping those three guys, there's not enough around them
to beat you. I'm wondering, do you only need to
stop one? Do you need to stop two? I feel
like if you if you stop one, then you're gonna
be in a pretty good spot because any one of
those three you stop them, and then who else is
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behind them, who else is gonna make this make something happen.
The Amario Evans that you mentioned had a fifty nine
yard touchdown a deep shot in the I think it
maybe may have been a little bit of a just
a broken coverage. And but this is at the end
of the game, when Washington's already up fifty two to
twenty eight or fifty whatever, fifty two to twenty four,
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and all of Washington starters are still in the game.
One offense, quarterback, you get the running back, you get
the receivers out there, and they're still throwing it around
trying to I don't know put a stamp on this one,
but outside of those three, there's a bunch of questions. However,
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those three, you can put those three against any other
three players in college football, and they're gonna stand their own.
They're gonna hold their own. Like one of my thoughts
on Denzel Boston the wide receiver, is he could play
at Ohio State, And that's to me, that's a that's
a high praise for a wide receiver, and he could
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play at Ohio State. He had a couple of touchdowns
in this one. He had a nice fade in the
end zone where the cornerback stood no shot against him.
The ballerstone high where he could go get it. The
cornerback was just you know, being towered over. And you
know he started off the game in the slot, like
they'll move him around, they'll get him involved. What do
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you have. He had a one hundred and six yards
or something like that. Receiving in this one and was
one hundred and seven on six catches, the Jonah Coleman
thing career high day and receptions and yards six for
one oh four, ninety three of those after contact yards
after the catch rather, so you know, he's these are
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all catching the ball due to the line of scrimmage,
and then he's just doing what he does because Jonah
Coleman is a beast and hard to tackle and hard
to deal with. Rush for fifty nine yards on twelve carries,
long of thirteen, so they held him and check there,
and maybe that's why it was a tie game, seven
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point game very early in the fourth quarter that they
were able to contain that running aspect, but Washington still
ran for one seventy three five point two per carry
three for two ninety eight. This offense is fun to watch.
It's it's so tied into demand Williams though, and this
offensive line Tom, I don't They've not been challenged, but
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they've also been giving up some stuff. So like right
guard Gary and Hatchet got pushed back a couple of times.
This there's there's room for an Ohire State defensive line
to make this offensive lines a hell. And then by proxy,
demand Williams as well.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It's just what does he.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Do once that chaos starts and do they contain him?
Does he get out and make something happen.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
He does not.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Handle the blitzes all that well. He does not handle
as most quarterbacks. The straight rush up the middle can
affect him. But boy, the offensive line to me is
where ohios date can attack these guys in terms of
the offense, and then you just deal with what else
happens around that.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, you mentioned a name or two there that kind
of had some trouble at point. I have left tackle
Carver Well, it's number fifty. He gave up a sack
I think on the first snap of the game. I
mean it was just and he had another one or
two where it was like, yeah, that's real, real obvious
holding because you got beaten around the edge and it
didn't always get cold. But you know, that's a spot
where you could maybe take advantage of someone off the edge.
(08:44):
You know, I don't know that that's a winning matchup
against someone like Rvel Reese for example. And then John
Mills the left guard. He is seventeen years old, true freshman,
number seventy two. That is insane that you were physically
able to hold up as a big ten left guard
as a seventeen year old. That is incredibly impressive. Has
he played a big ten team yet? No, he has not.
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What will that look like against Caden MacDonald or Edric
Houston or will Smith Junior. I mean, we'll all find
out on Saturday. I look at the offensive line and
I think there's a lot of guys who you look
and go, yeah, he might need a little bit of
help against you know, name the Ohio State player who
might be across the line. You can't give them all help.
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You can't double everyone. So I think that's going to
be an area where Williams got sacked three times against
Washington State and also had several times when he made
someone miss in the pocket and extended to play or
you know, ended up scrambling for a big gain. The
players are going to be bigger, They're going to be
coming faster, they are going to be better tacklers than
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the Washington State guys. The offensive line is definitely I
think the area that I look at on offense and
go that might be a problem for Washington. And you know,
if Washington does not score week we talked about this
on the an episode of the Morning Show. But Washington
has zero punts and zero turnovers on their last twenty
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three possessions. The last twenty three drives nineteen touchdowns, two
field goals to kneel downs. I'm expecting a punt. I'm
probably expecting a turnover on Saturday. I think that's probably
that streak will probably come to an end, and that
will probably because of the offensive line and the thing
that worries me a little bit from Washington's perspective on
demand Williams is he does not slide. He is going
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to fight for every last yard. And that is wonderful.
That is very admirable, you know, heart of a champion,
all that kind of stuff. Remember when I said that
their guys are going to be bigger and faster and
stronger and coming at you with a greater amount of
force than you have seen earlier this year. You may
want to get down and you may want to find,
you know, get out of bounds. Don't necessarily fight for
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the extra couple of yards. That doesn't seem because Williams
is an immensely talented player. I stood next to a
big ten Meeta days. He is not a big dude,
is he is not someone that is going to be
physically imposing, even like a Bryce Underwood would be. That's
not the kind of quarterback he is. I look at
him in you know, in the open field and think,
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you better get down. You better really pick your battles.
If it's fourth and whatever and you need to get
to the marker, get to the marker, Like do what
you got to do to get to the marker. If
it's first and ten and you've picked up thirteen yards,
you should be sliding. That is he just he almost
seems to seek out contact. He took some really big hits,
even on plays that weren't sacks. He had a scramble
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where one Washington State guy hit him and then another
guy kind of cleaned him up a little bit and
really drilled him into the turf. That just feels like
that's not gonna be something that's sustainable all season long.
And I don't know how sustainable it's going to be
over three hours against Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, he was taking some shots there in the second
half as well, even when they were up by you know, fourteen,
you wouldn't necessarily need to do that. He needs to
get down, but this is also a game where every
yard is going to be important, and so how do
you balance that safety? You know, the flight versus fights,
a slide versus fight type of thing, because he's he's
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a competitor and he is tenacious. But he was sacked
three times against Colorado State, sacked three times against Washington State.
And this is a guy who's able to get out
of sacks as well. So the uisting defense getting after
him initially, and then he needs to get down so
that he's when when the buck guys are cleaning up,
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they're not cleaning up in a way that leaves him
down for the count one. I think maybe the last
thing that I wanted to mention on the offense and
that Adam Mohammad, the backup running back who looks like
this big back. You know, the first time we saw him, like,
this guy looks like he's kind of is he their
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version of C. J. Donaldson, you know, like six two five.
He's six foot two twelve. The reason he looks so
big is because he standing next to Demond Williams or
he's being used to seeing Jonah Coleman out there, and
Demond Williams is all of five to eleven. Jonah Coleman's
all of five A. He just looks comparatively big to
the smaller guys that they normally have in the backfield.
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But he he's a guy. I'm not gonna, you know,
denigrate him like he's he's a legit back up in
the Big ten and he will play in this game.
Just tackle him because he is strong. He's a strong runner.
But yeah, like the three guys that you need to
know are the three guys you mentioned. You did you
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mentioned the Carver Willis to left tackle. He was Will
Howard's left tackle at Kansas State. So small world. He's
not the only guy from Kansas State to uh, you know,
to show up against the Buckeyes. They happened in the
rose Ball last year as well.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, and obviously a big fan of the color purple.
So you know, we'll it's it's gonna be interesting to
see how this line holds up because they've given up
tackles for loss, they've given up sacks, they've given up
lots of pressure, and they haven't faced a defense that's
kind of the caliber of the defense are going to play.
So yeah, that that to me is a bit of
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a concern on the other side of the ball, the
defensive line. I don't view the defensive line as a
real concern. That doesn't look I could see the Ohio
State defensive line versus the Washington offensive line being a
little bit of a mismatch that goes a long way
towards deciding how this game goes. The other side, the
defensive line, I've been pretty impressed with them overall. They
rotate a ton of guys through there. I think they
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said they've rotated like eleven or twelve guys through in
the last couple of games, and they were rotating very
deep as well in this game. And Washington State just
Washington State couldn't do anything on the ground. And you know,
Washington State's offensive line is no great shakes. But they
finished twenty eight carries twenty seven yards even sack adjusted,
you remove the sacks. They rushed for one point nine
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yards per carry, and they had Washington also had a
ton of prece sure on the quarterbacks they got, they get.
They finished with three sacks, but it felt like they
could have had, you know, seven tackles for laws, and
it felt like they were just kind of constantly in
there and constantly pressuring Washington State's quarterback where he's kind
of throwing off platform. You had guys open in the secondary,
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you know, and we'll get to the secondary in a minute.
But you know, Washington was able to kind of compensate
for that with a pretty good pass rush. I don't
know that they're gonna be able to do that against
Ohio State. I think, you know, I don't think Ohio
State's gonna be able to just run the ball like
crazy against them by any means. I'm also not expecting
them to hold Ohio State to one point nine yards
per carry sack adjusted. But you know, on the whole,
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as far as the as far as the defense goes,
the defensive front, I think seems like it's you know,
it's at least a solid unit on the whole.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's not something you're looking at and you're going, well,
the Ohio State's gonna run for two hundred and fifty
yards on these guys. They might, I'm not expecting it,
but you know, he'd certainly need a couple of long
ones in there. We finally got to uh to see
more of defensive end Zach Durfy, who was one of
the players to watch against Colorado State, and we tried
and we didn't really see much. And this when he
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had a pass rush that led to an interception. So
that was gonna see that there's an ungal la on
this defensive line. I don't recall seeing him against Colorado
or Colorado State. We're hearing his name and so that
was that was interesting one Like I don't I'm not
blown away by anything on defense from these guys. Adam
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Muhammad or not Adam Mohammad, but Adam McLachlan McLaughlin is
Aaron Adam.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It is chat him down here. He is, Oh, I
know I had him. He had two interceptions, Yeah, two
interceptions as that team is see they got yah.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It can only be so many of those. He former
walk on from Northern Arizona, I believe. And again he
is their their deep safety. Six tackles, two interceptions and
had a pick pick six in this one and basically
that turned the game. That was the end. That was
That was the maybe the straw that broke the camel
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there and that was the beginning of the end. But
anything other anything else well, and the one of their
linebackers got hurt.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, that was that was Tarika al Upta. He got
kind of rolled up on and I mean they showed
him on the sideline and it did not look good.
It looked like, yeah, that's probably a high ankle sprain
or maybe a knee and it did not look like, yeah,
he'll be fine for next week. I have not seen
any kind of an update on him yet, but just
just from how it looked, he doesn't. You know, it
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does not look like someone who's going to be one
hundred percent next week.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
No, and that that would be a significant loss for
them because he is their number two tackler. I believe
do you do you want to talk about the secondary?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And I think we should talk about the secondary. We
had the the positive conversation about the secondary already, which
is Alex McLaughlin, who is sort of the just annoying
guy who I'm not going to say deceptively athletic, but
if I did, you would kind of get the right picture.
He needs someone who just sort of is always around
the ball and the ball kind of finds him. And
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it was a it was a deflected pass. The intercepted
on the first one, and it was a one where
the throw is kind of behind the receiver. And he
made a nice play on the ball, broke on it well,
and ended up picking it off and running it back
for a touchdown. But it's not you know, this is
not the athletic freak that you go, wow, this is
you know, he's not cabled downs. But also the ball
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just kind of keeps finding him, and he keeps he
keeps making plays on the ball, and at some point
that stops being a coincidence. So you know, that's that's
I think a very positive for Washington. The secondary Tony
can we have the conversation about Leroy Bryant not number zero,
the slot corner, because I remember I'm watching him and
I'm going I'm having flashbacks to when we were watching
Tennessee last year and I'm going, Oh, this dude's about
(19:05):
to have a real bad time. Like you're watching the
It wasn't Jermald McCoy. It was the other Ricky Gibson
was the corner for Tennessee, and it was just we're
watching him play against Georgia and it was like, Oh,
you're about to have a bad day, friend, And that
was one I saw him lined up over Jeremiah Smith
in the first quarter and I went, oh, here comes
the touchdown and it was immediately a touchdown. Like he
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plays in the slot, and I just think he might
not have a great day on Saturday. It just he
gave up a long pass down the right sideline, he
gave up a slant for a touchdown, he gave up
a long post down the middle of the field, and
you know he's not gonna be one on one if
those were three plays where he was one on one
and he got burnt on all three of them. And
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that's Washington State receivers. Like, I think you're going to
be facing more athletic receivers and a better quarterback and
an offensive line that it's going to have better pass
protection and you're not gonna be able to have safety
help on all every play like so you're gonna have
to figure it out. And it just just watching it, it
was just kind of like sometimes you just kind of go, oh,
(20:08):
like this this might not go great. That was that
was someone who I kind of looked at and thought, yes,
this might not go great.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Well, and then he got benched and he didn't come
back until until late in the game when it was over.
Like he gave up I don't know if it was
after like the last deep shot that he gave up.
Then they just like no, you're done, and Rechard freshman
Rashaun Clark went it for him, and also true freshman
Dylan Robinson went in for them. I think the biggest
issue here was starting quarnerback to cary O Davis was out.
(20:38):
I wonder if they held him out so that he
would be for sure able to go against Ohio State.
So then you had Lee or Bryant also having to
play outside corner, which he's he's their nickel, and so
he was a little bit playing a position that you
played nickel because maybe nobody wants you're You're not you're
not desired, desirable outside enough, so you play nickel. But
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he was giving up catches on the inside, he was
giving up catches on the outside. And then finally it
was like send sending the second team er, sending the freshman.
And so they had cornerback Dylan Robinson, who was a
true freshman out there a lot there then in the
second half, and I don't know if that's a great
solution either. I know it's not. So they need Carrio
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Davis back, and even when they get him, Caryo Davis
had his issues against Colorado State, will just remind you
of that. So the secondary here, if you give Julian
Saying time to throw, I expect them to do very
well against Washington secondary. Nothing I've seen to this point
where you're like, stay away from this guy, Stay away
from that guy. Ephesians Price Sock. I don't even know
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if they needed to go at him in this one,
because they had the whole Leroy Bryant thing.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Right, and they threw it at price Sock a few times,
and he was pretty physical on at least a couple
of the throws in his direction and didn't get called
for anything. But that's something where if you being physical
with Washington States guys, you're gonna have to be more
physical presumably with Ohio States guys, if you're gonna try
and you know, I think that that's just something to
(22:15):
sort of keep an eye on. And you know, both
of the outside corners for Washington we talked about this
on the last show. They're both six foot four, so
that's going to be a really interesting matchup to see.
They're not necessarily guys you can go up and beat high,
as they have been able to do against a lot
of corners this year, but you might be able to
beat him deep. You just it just feels like if
(22:36):
Ohio State can give Julian Say in time, there are
going to be opportunities in the secondary and Washington is
going to have to I think, you know, I think
that the front seven is pretty good. I think it's
gonna be solid. I don't think they're gonna be able
to blow up the run game like they did against
Washington State. If Ohio State's able to run the ball early,
I think that's gonna be a big red warning sign
(22:59):
for for Washington. If if you see whether it's James
People's or CJ. Donalds n or Bo Jackson running for
five six yards early in the game, and you're gonna
and you know, and then Washington maybe had to bring
someone else down into the box, you're gonna that's really
gonna open things up downfield. I think Washington may try
(23:21):
and sort of play it straight or keep, you know,
keep keep a couple guys deep. Uh. You know, Ryan
Molters has for years and years and years been a
man coverage guy. I think you're gonna have to keep
safeties deep because I don't think these are guys corners
that can just play man against these Ohio State wide receivers.
So I think you're gonna have to keep guys, keep
a couple guys deep, which then potentially, you know, if
(23:44):
you're playing man, you're running with your back, you're running
with the wide receivers with your back to the line
of scrimmage. That can open up big plays in the
run game. So I think there's just a lot of
stuff here that I kind of look at for Washington
and Go. I don't love that matchup for them, just
based on what we've seen in the first three games,
and we don't know how much they've shown. Have they
have they shown everything they're gonna show. Probably not. I'm
(24:05):
sure they'll have some fun new stuff for Ohio State.
But the defense I just look at and GO, I
can see areas where you may not have a great time.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, especially if they're banged up at linebackers, maybe banged
up at corner. It was interesting Priceock was in the
nickel at one point in the first half. He's in
the slot on third down, so I don't know if
that was something they normally do and that's just where
they put him. And then they put the smaller guys
outside to handle things, or if he was following somebody around.
(24:35):
I don't know. Defensively, I'm looking at this drive chart,
and Washington State had a drive in the fourth quarter
ten plays, fourteen yards, five minutes and twenty seconds. Okay,
that's fantastic, good job. I don't know how I assume
(24:57):
a penalty or some losses there.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
But yeah, that was I kind of find that one
in the In the play by play, it was, yeah,
they had a an eleven yard sack, they picked it up.
They picked up a first down to midfield and then
had a sack for eleven yards, had a pass that
was dropped, had a fumbled snap, and then a pass
that was dropped. So yeah, they it. It was a
(25:19):
you picked up a couple first downs and then had
a just the wheels completely fell off, sack, dropped, pass,
fumbled snap, and then another dropped. So yeah, don't I
would advise anyone playing Washington, not just Washington State, what
rifles or not, I would advise anyone to not have
a drive like that because it won't end well.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So nine basically nine drives for Washington State in this game.
They had drives of eight plays eleven eight one seven,
and don't even count that one that was that was
a nail down at the end of the half. So
eight eleven eight seven, nine to seven one, which was
a fumble than a ten. The only three and out
(26:02):
they had came at the end of the game when
they punted from their own territory, you know, because the
game was over. But that was the only three and
out for Washington State. And there's just a lot of
signs here that Ohio State should be able to score
some points and that defensively for Ohio State, they should
(26:23):
be able to have more wins than losses. I don't
expect Washington to score on every possession. I'll say that.
I don't know if that's save it for the bold predictions,
but I can't wait to get there. The road atmosphere
is going to change, you know. It's just it's going
to add to it as well. It's just not about
the numbers. But there are another enough interesting numbers here
(26:47):
where you can see why Ohio State has opened as
like a thirteen point favorite than I saw. It might
be down to like ten, so who knows where it'll
be by the time the game gets here. But anything
else on the defense that you wanted to touch on.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
No, the only other note I had was on the
placekicker Grady Gross, who he two years ago was great.
Last year, he I think just kind of had the
yips and then on Saturday drilled a fifty one yarder
straight down the middle and hit the net. So it's
good from fifty five at least. And if he's you know,
if he's back to what he had been earlier in
(27:22):
his career, that's someone who could be a potential difference
maker if this game comes down to the you know,
to the back half of the fourth quarter. That's that's
certainly a nice club to have in your bag. To
be able to just trot out someone to just casually
drill a fifty yarder. That is not not a luxury
that every team has. So that's that's I think something
(27:43):
just to kind of keep in the back of your mind.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Washington State through an onside kick in there, which you
can completely understand, you got to make it, take it.
If you got an opportunity to steal, steal possessions, you
have to do it. So applaud them for that. Interestingly,
so buddha ou Loot, the linebacker, we talked about formerly
of Washington State, made that transfer from Washington State to Washington.
(28:07):
Anything else from this game that you wanted to touch
on before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
No, I just but I think people are going to
come away from this and say Ohio State forty two,
Washington thirteen. I think you're gonna have to account for
the crowd, the atmosphere, the cross country travel, all that
kind of stuff. I think Ohio State has a pretty
clear talent advantage in a lot of places, like this
is gonna be a lot like you. I remember going
(28:31):
to the covering the Rose Bowl the Jake Browning year
twenty eighteen, and you had the Ohio State interviews, and
you had the Washington interviews, and the Washington offensive linemen
were all like thirty pounds later and four inch is
shorter than the Ohio State offensive lineman, and you kind
of went, Oh, that's how this is going to go.
I think you're gonna see some kind of the sort
of physical advantage at Ohio State has over a lot
(28:52):
of those other teams. But the Washington crowd, the Washington
stadium just sort of blowing up in Ohio State drive
because of a false start and a delay of game
and all of a sudden it's third and seventeen instead
of third and seven. You could you could see something
like that and that may get you know, that may
kill one Ohio State possession. And if you have a
(29:13):
nine possession kind of game like we've seen a lot
this year, that can make a difference because Washington is
going to score some they're not you know, you're not
gonna shut this team out. This is this is a
game where Washington's going to be you know what, Washington
scoring twenty points or so feels like that's probably about
what the average of people are going to say, you know,
twenty twenty four points something like that. You get one
(29:35):
drive that gets blown up for Ohio State and all
of a sudden, this could be a close game in
the fourth quarter. So I would you know, I think
we watched this game and what here's lots of areas
where I see potential issues for Washington, But that that crowd,
that stadium, that atmosphere, you could see that leveling things
out a decent amount.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Third downs are the equalizer for both sides, whether it's
the crowd creating an this year on third down for
Ohio State or demand way picking up a third down
and just frustrating the heck out of that Ohio State
defense because there's nobody on the Ohio State scout team
that can mimic what Demand Williams does unless you throw
Turbo Rogers or somebody out there, and they still still
they're not as fast as he is, I promise you.
(30:15):
So that's Mason Maggs, all due respect, you're not Demand Williams.
So there's no way to act accurately replicate this. I
know back in the years past, one time they had
what Jalen gill Or doing some some work as the quarterback.
(30:35):
So you just you gotta do what you can do
and try to figure it out again. I can't wait.
It's gonna be. It's gonna be a level up and
speed from what Ohio State has seen to this point.
But they did play Texas, so there's it's a step
down in physicality and just overall the speed of the
(30:58):
quarterback is the biggest thing. Because the owners, everybody else
has been challenged, they've seen something similar to what they'll
see today on Saturday, but Demand Williams is a different
level from everybody they've seen so far. So don't want
to harp on it. We're gonna talk about it. We're
gonna harp on it much more throughout the week before
the game and after the game. Continue to follow us
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