December 17, 2025 • 21 mins
Buckeye Weekly Podcast: Listener Questions on Ohio State, Michigan Scandals, and CFP
In this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr dive into listener questions covering a wide range of topics. They discuss the national media's role in the Michigan Harbaugh cheating scandal, the implications of the college football playoff setup, last year's team dynamics, and the potential expansion to a 16-team playoff. They also speculate on which player from last year’s team would best ensure a national title for this year’s Buckeyes.
00:00 Introduction and Overview
00:43 Listener Questions: Michigan Scandal
06:35 Listener Questions: College Football Playoff Insights
09:45 Listener Questions: Alabama and CFP Changes
17:03 Listener Questions: Buckeye Team Improvements
20:50 Conclusion and Podcast Recommendations
In this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr dive into listener questions covering a wide range of topics. They discuss the national media's role in the Michigan Harbaugh cheating scandal, the implications of the college football playoff setup, last year's team dynamics, and the potential expansion to a 16-team playoff. They also speculate on which player from last year’s team would best ensure a national title for this year’s Buckeyes.
00:00 Introduction and Overview
00:43 Listener Questions: Michigan Scandal
06:35 Listener Questions: College Football Playoff Insights
09:45 Listener Questions: Alabama and CFP Changes
17:03 Listener Questions: Buckeye Team Improvements
20:50 Conclusion and Podcast Recommendations
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with time warton.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How's it going, Oh, Tony, I'm doing a third We're
doing a third listener question show and I'm just looking
through the questions. We have four questions for this show,
and we are like covering the gamut.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
We are spanning the wild wide.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
World of sports here from Ohio state football history to
the Michigan scandal to the college football playoff set up
and you know what could happen to the college football
playoffs set up moving forward? And man it is our listeners.
Have they done brought it?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Tony?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
They have brought some brought some good stuff here. Let's
start with this one from at Vango Underscore zero. Did
the collective national media is downplaying of the Michigan hardball
cheating scandals directly lead to the show we're on more scandal?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I think this is a very interesting question. We talked
about this a little bit on my previous show, where
back during Tetgate there were so many rocks and stones
overturned by various outlets and investigative reporters and even the
dispatch and local news and it I would be very
(01:21):
surprised if, say, this is happening back then, if that
didn't get uncovered by the wave of investigations going on
from the media, let alone the university. So I do
I do blame the national media a little bit. I know,
it's like it's it. Did it lead to it? No,
(01:46):
the cheating led to the cheating. I mean that's the
media holds no part in that, because sounds like this
has been going on for a while. But I think
at some point you feel like you can get away
with just about anything, even as you were being investigated,
and still like only so many of the bodies are
(02:08):
being exposed. And then they did have an investigation over
their relationship and in the summer, and both of them
said no, there's no relationship, So then apparently that was
the end of it. But this is a person, and
I'm speaking of the Schrummore's mistress. I don't you wanted
(02:29):
the name of the name, but she had a pizza
named after her at the Brown Jug in Ann Arbor
where that's also where other coaches or some football staff
members have items named after them. And it's just amazing
that there would be a pizza a food item at
a restaurant named after the head coach's mistress. And that
(02:55):
is also something that would be you talk with in
terms of the investigation, like how did this come to be,
Who decided this, whose idea was this, who put it
on the menu? Like, that's just one of the hundreds
of things that would have been addressed if this was
(03:17):
Columbus thirteen or fifteen years ago, where you're dealing with
all of these different scandals, because there were so many
different tangents when Ohio State was being investigated. Most of
them led to nothing, some of them led to some things.
But these are just a bunch of little things that
(03:41):
I think could add up to something big. But I'm
not going to blame the media for this, but I
will say that they probably for all of the people
who said, well we heard about it, we do there's
something there, they didn't certainly didn't expose it the way
maybe other places would have done. But of course, if
(04:03):
you have two consenting adults saying nothing's happening, even though
they're seed together quite a bit, then I guess what
are you supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yes, as you're talking, I'm looking up everything on the
menu is basically named after a Michigan athletic person of
some kind Columbus.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Columbus folks will.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Enjoy Zach Warnsky has his a dessert named after him
on the menu there. So yeah, that's a yeah, that's
a fascinating and I had not heard that before.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
That's that's funny now.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And as far as like the.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Question, like I look at this.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And I think the the question is this is this
was as you said, like the according to the story
that's out there, this all started.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Before the Stallion's thing became public.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So this was not like well he thought he looked
at that and went, well, I can get away with it,
and so then did it? It was you know, the
order of operations is backwards there.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I think it's more more that there.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Were a lot of corners cut, like a lot of
corner cut right around the time Jim Harbaugh was a
big ten media.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Days saying we got to beat Ohio State or die trying.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
A lot of corners started getting cut, and all this
stuff happened after that.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
And you know, we can run through the laundry list
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And this is not to say that you know this
this one adult's actions are directly a responsibility you know,
responsibility of this other, you know, the person who's the
head coach, Like it's not we're saying, but you know,
there were a lot of things that were probably a
little bit overlooked or a little bit like it's fine,
Like it's I don't think that the you know, the
(05:40):
enforcement level within the building internally was probably what it
probably could have been.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Uh And I think a lot of that has to.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Do with stuff kind of got you know it all
it all lines up very well with beat Ohio State
or die Frying.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
So you know, I don't I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You know, if you had people we talked on a
show earlier as we go, Publo Pablo torrig In, Like
if you knew Pablo torri was coming to dig in
on you three years ago, yeah, you'd probably be a
little bit more on your p's and q's than you
were otherwise.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
When you know, the.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Head coach sure didn't sure didn't know what was going
on anywhere. He had no idea what was happening with
any of this stuff. And you know, if what's amoida,
like if what's am mooida is basically your program identity,
then then you're going to have this kind of stuff happen.
It's not that it's that person's fault. It's just that
you're sort of creating the climate for this type of
(06:34):
thing to happen. So next one from at chip rows.
The teams with bys didn't do too well last year,
how do you see it playing out this year?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, the reason it didn't go well for the team
of buys last year is because they were all underdogs
thanks except for Georgia. They had to buy and they
were like a point a half favorite over Notre Dame.
So even Georgia being the low and favor in there
basically group of five, Boise State they had, they had
(07:05):
to buy. They got to play Penn State there, they
were underdogs there. Oregon the number one seed, gets the
buy and they were underdogs against Ohio State, Arizona State,
the other conference champ. They got the buy. They were
underdogs against Texas So it would help if you are
not the underdog. And then looking at this year's quarterfinals,
basically the only underdog at this point would be Texas
(07:30):
Tech by about a point and a half over or yeah,
not over Oregon. But you know what I'm saying, like
Oregon to be point in half favor over Texas A
and m. Other than that, Indiana will be favored over
both Alabama and Oklahoma. Georgia of course favored over too
later old miss Ohio State favored over Miami and Texas
A and M. So it will go and I'll go
(07:52):
much better on paper just because again you're not the
rules last year have changed in terms of the conference
himpions getting getting buys, so that that should take care
of itself in terms of the part of the benefit
of being earning that buy.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, the higher seeds last year were not actually the
higher seeds.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
They you know, the.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Format of the playoff is such that you're going to
get some weird stuff like this year James Madison getting
in and Notre Dame getting left out, even though Notre
Dame would probably be a three plus touchdown favorite over
James Madison. So their format of the field is going
to create some weirdness like that. Last year, a lot
of that weirdness was created around the first round, where,
(08:42):
you know, because Ohio State got pushed down a couple
spots because of the you know, obviously Ohio State was
going to be a higher ranked team than Boise State
or who is it Clemson. No, Arizona State, like Ohio
State was ahead of both of those teams that ended
up seeded below those teams because they were going to
get bumped up and to be the top four.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You end up with a weird.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Field, and you also end up with Ohio State then
playing Oregon in week in Oregon's first game, as opposed
to Oregon playing Arizona State or someone like that in
their first game. And Oregon probably beats Arizona State, but
Oregon extremely did not beat Ohio State because Ohio State
was probably the most talented team in the field last year.
So they've rectified some of those issues Ohio State. Like
(09:25):
you know, last year, Ohio State would have been the
five seed with the current you know, the way the
thing is laid out, and you would have had Tulane
as the four seed. So you know, now Ohio State's
the two and two lane CE eleven. So it's that
that in and of itself is probably going to fix
a lot of those issues.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, next one for at chip Rousch.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
How badly must Alabama be get beaten for there to
be a real change in the CFP process? Well, so, OK,
hold this against No. Tide because they lost to another
a SEC team. Paul, that ain't no, I ain't know nothing.
Then again, everybody wouldn't lost us today an SEC team Oklahoma,
(10:09):
they ain't the SEC.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
The ain't real.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Good nothing that I don't think that's gonna change. Like
if you had Alabama going out and playing Oregon, like
Alabama would just get fire bombed by Oregon, just absolutely
lit on fire and sent down the river and they.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
But they're not.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
They're gonna play Oklahoma, so that will just be proof
that Oklahoma was a.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Good and deserving team.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, now you can look at the statistical profiles we did.
I did a morning show, a series of morning shows
earlier in the week, and then also we actually talked
about this on one of our earlier question shows where
it's like, which team would Ohio State most you know,
least want to play in the playoff or presents the
biggest challenge outside of the two group of five teams.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Alabama is the easiest.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Matchup for a team like Ohio State by one hundred thousand.
Alabama would end up with a but negative six yards
of offense, and Ohio State would probably easily put up
twenty to thirty points on them. And if you get
shorter field, I mean, Ohio State would light Alabama on
fire this year. And so Alabama is playing a team
where Oklahoma's defense is going to be extraordinarily good, their
(11:19):
offense is terrible. So it's not gonna look like a
thirty one to three kind of game no matter how
it comes out. But it's going to you know, Alabama
is not a team that really is one of the
best teams. Like I Notre Dame would be a far
more challenging matchup for Ohio State than Alabama, like by
a million miles would be a more challenging matchup for Ohio.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
State, and Miami is as well.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So I you know, I don't know that it's going
to change the process that I say. You know, if
you want the CFP selection process changed, you have to
you know that that's gonna have to be the other
conferences coming in and that's not gonna be based on
the final score of the Alabama game.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
That's gonna be the other conferences coming in and saying, look.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
This is stupid that Alabama got in over Notre Dame,
This is stupid that Aliabait. You know that you've got
these teams getting in and it's just based on the helmet.
I don't know that the result of the Alabama game
is going to be what changes that process, though.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, and I keep I was thinking for a while
that it's the result of Notre Dame not getting in.
I could change things, but my understanding, I've read this,
so that's not just my understanding of it. The next
iteration of the playoffs, whatever they are right now, it's
Notre Dame. If they're ranked in the top twelve, they're in.
(12:36):
And so they were ranked eleventh in the final rankings,
so they would have gotten in. James Madison gets knocked out.
So the idea of you've got a Notre Dame team
that potentially has good enough to win a national championship
does not make it in. That's enough to create a
reason to change this and move it to sixteen and
(12:59):
create more avenues to make it in there. But with
Notre Dame getting their sweetheart deal, which is what they've
always gotten, and somehow it just wasn't enough this time around,
and they were eliminated. Because there's only so much bending
backwards you can do for a program. Eventually you know
you're just you're folded in half. There's no more nowhere
(13:20):
else you can go. But if they're if they're automatically in,
if they're ranked in the top twelve, regardless of what
happens anywhere else, then maybe they're okay. But I kind
of feel like it's going to sixteen next year, and
I know they've been kicking it down, but the fact
that they hit their deadline and they're like, well, let's
(13:42):
move the deadline, and you've seen some unhappiness with two
groups of fives getting in and the way things have gone,
I'm expecting wouldn't be shocked if there's a sixteen team,
and maybe even they throw in a limit of one
group of five team in there, just as a little
knife and the side. But I think if you go
to sixteen, I think you're for five's and it doesn't matter.
(14:06):
I'm I'd be surprised at this point if it's twelve
again next year. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I think that the stomping of the feat from everyone
involved is just going to lead to well, then we'll
just let more people in and it's just gonna get bigger.
I mean, you've seen this with the NCAA tournament, and
it was just it felt like every year it was
Seth Greenberg at Virginia Tech just absolutely sobbing at the
fact that his team was once again the sixty sixth
best team in the country and was getting left out
(14:32):
on selection Sunday, and Dick Bytell.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Is, Oh, it's terrible, baby, is so bad? Do you hope?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And you're doing this to.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
These kids, and it was like, yeah, but they're like
sub five hundred in conference. Oh, it doesn't matter, baby,
and leave it to the people in charge of college
sports just screwed up by expanding things too much. So yes,
this is going to be a sixteen team thing next year,
one hundred percent, and that's just you kind of have
to make your peace with that. I'm much more interested.
(15:01):
I think it's a much more interesting question whether.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
You have the automatic bid thing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
That the Big Ten proposed, because that, you know, from
a competitive perspective, I sort of recoil at that in
horror a little bit. But also the committee. I never
feel like the committee does a great job. So if
you can take it out of the committee's hands, I
don't mind that really, And it also potentially sets you
up for a much more interesting championship game weekend where
you can have functionally like play in games for all
(15:27):
these conferences to get in.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That that could.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Be I mean, like make really really exciting competitive games.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
So you know, I.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Have sort of grudgingly come around to the fact that
I think that that's what they probably should do, even
though I just absolutely hate the fact that it's you know,
you're getting auto bids per conference. But you know, it
also feels like the people in charge of the sport
and the people in charge of selecting who she needs
to get in, and the people who get all weepy
on ESPN about you know, can you believe that they
(16:01):
might leave you know, an Alabama team that just lost
by thirty points out, I mean, like, oh, it'd be
the biggest tragedy in history of the world. Like, if
you can get some of those people out of the process,
that would probably be a good thing. So, you know,
I'm interested to see whether that ends up coming around
this year because that, you know, sixteen feels like sadly inevitable.
(16:22):
I kind of feel like, at this point, twelve is
not bad. Twelve is really not bad. But if it's sixteen,
I would I will grudgingly sign on for that if
you have the you know, sort of auto bid thing,
and also if you can get the first two rounds
on campus sites like that would be really fantastic to
get a couple a couple home games for these you know,
(16:43):
the top higher ranked teams.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Well, I think you would just get the first round
at home, but you'd also have the play in games
yeah home as well, so those be some extra games there.
So I do expect that. I we'll see again about
the auto autobids and maybe playing games, but I do
expect sixteen next.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Year, all right, And the last one from at ghost
Buckler's what Buckeye team from last year's team? What buck
guy from last year's team would you put on this
year's team?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Do best guarantee a national title? That is a good one.
I like that one a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I don't know that you need to go anywhere defensively,
but it's what would Jordan Hancock look like on this
year's defense? I mean they would just be like, well,
there's even more lockdown, Like what are you gonna do?
If a Jordan Hancock? You can do all of these
different things. But there are two names Shari Tom because
it's it's really interesting to imagine a Mecca Abuka and
(17:39):
this offensive a slot with Jamia Smith and Cardil Tay.
But we never got to see what the Amcica Jackson
Smith and jigbab Marvin Harrison situation, and this with a
Mecca Abuka and the slot would be I think incredible.
That to me is also luxury. The bigger need is
(18:03):
go ahead and just give me Donovan Jackson and I'll
fit them in at whether whether he's a left guard
at his home and then look, Montgomery's the right card.
But to me, that is the correct answer. The fun
video game answer is no, it's a Mecca a Buca
and you go from there. I bet some people would say,
Well Howard, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I don't think Bill Howard's the answer. But I remember
a couple of days ago when we were.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Doing the thing and.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
It was you know, the path to the playoff, and
you got really annoyed that you didn't have any ad
because I gave the completely correct answer. Yeah it's Donovan
Jackson and you saw, you know, you move your offensive
line accordingly. But the fun answer is, uh, a Mecca
Abuka because uh, sport scoreboard, Go burr. That's that's the scoreboard,
Go burr answer, which would be like, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
You figure out that, you figure out the.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Blocking if you have a Mecha Abuka in the slot
on this offense. But you know, it's interesting that you
can go through and it's like, you know, the Jordan
Handcake answer, like yeah, that's a that's a good answer.
You know, you could you could put one of the
defensive ends in the mix in terms of you know,
really any of the guys on the defensive line you
could put in.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
You know, it'd be they.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Had lots of lots of real good productive players.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
On the defensive line last year. That would be like,
oh yeah, it'd be nice to have that guy back.
But yeah, I think you you nailed it. I think
it's Donovan.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Jackson and then and Mecha Buka is the is the
fun one if you if the correct answer is already taken, it's.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Amazing that you can look at all these defensive guys
from last year, like, well, what about Lathan Richie, I
don't really need him. What about Denzil Bulk, Denzil Burk?
What about j T. Tumu the kid Curry's fine, don't
you want Tyler Williams? Like, well, okay, maybe Tyler Williams. Yeah,
maybe that would be the one. But overall, you know,
you look at that offensive Donovan Jackson certainly makes the
(19:52):
most sense. Or if you want to there Josh Simmons
in there at left tackle and move Austin Syravel to
right guard, do that as well. I think that's that's
another one. But so there anything else that any other
names that you'd like to throw out there.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
No, there's a lot of positions that I'm thinking through him,
Like nope, same guy, Nope, same guy, Nope.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Normally this is a fun one because it's like players
are history and it's like wherever everyone's racing to, say
Orlando Pace or whatever. But this is like, you know,
half the team is the same, so there's not as
many uh and they were less experienced last year, so
there's there's not as many choices here.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Like Cody Simon shows up at the front door of
the whack and can I come back? And like no,
Like you're you're sending Cody Simon away. We don't have
room for him. No, you just gotta go, Son, you
gotta go. Why will call security? But that's Cody Simon.
That's Cody Simon, and you're like calling security on him
because you don't want him room. I guess that's just
the testament to this year's defense and the rudeness of
(20:49):
the people up the whack. So there you go, Tom,
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Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with time warton.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How's it going, Oh, Tony, I'm doing a third We're
doing a third listener question show and I'm just looking
through the questions. We have four questions for this show,
and we are like covering the gamut.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
We are spanning the wild wide.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
World of sports here from Ohio state football history to
the Michigan scandal to the college football playoff set up
and you know what could happen to the college football
playoffs set up moving forward? And man it is our listeners.
Have they done brought it?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Tony?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
They have brought some brought some good stuff here. Let's
start with this one from at Vango Underscore zero. Did
the collective national media is downplaying of the Michigan hardball
cheating scandals directly lead to the show we're on more scandal?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I think this is a very interesting question. We talked
about this a little bit on my previous show, where
back during Tetgate there were so many rocks and stones
overturned by various outlets and investigative reporters and even the
dispatch and local news and it I would be very
(01:21):
surprised if, say, this is happening back then, if that
didn't get uncovered by the wave of investigations going on
from the media, let alone the university. So I do
I do blame the national media a little bit. I know,
it's like it's it. Did it lead to it? No,
(01:46):
the cheating led to the cheating. I mean that's the
media holds no part in that, because sounds like this
has been going on for a while. But I think
at some point you feel like you can get away
with just about anything, even as you were being investigated,
and still like only so many of the bodies are
(02:08):
being exposed. And then they did have an investigation over
their relationship and in the summer, and both of them
said no, there's no relationship, So then apparently that was
the end of it. But this is a person, and
I'm speaking of the Schrummore's mistress. I don't you wanted
(02:29):
the name of the name, but she had a pizza
named after her at the Brown Jug in Ann Arbor
where that's also where other coaches or some football staff
members have items named after them. And it's just amazing
that there would be a pizza a food item at
a restaurant named after the head coach's mistress. And that
(02:55):
is also something that would be you talk with in
terms of the investigation, like how did this come to be,
Who decided this, whose idea was this, who put it
on the menu? Like, that's just one of the hundreds
of things that would have been addressed if this was
(03:17):
Columbus thirteen or fifteen years ago, where you're dealing with
all of these different scandals, because there were so many
different tangents when Ohio State was being investigated. Most of
them led to nothing, some of them led to some things.
But these are just a bunch of little things that
(03:41):
I think could add up to something big. But I'm
not going to blame the media for this, but I
will say that they probably for all of the people
who said, well we heard about it, we do there's
something there, they didn't certainly didn't expose it the way
maybe other places would have done. But of course, if
(04:03):
you have two consenting adults saying nothing's happening, even though
they're seed together quite a bit, then I guess what
are you supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yes, as you're talking, I'm looking up everything on the
menu is basically named after a Michigan athletic person of
some kind Columbus.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Columbus folks will.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Enjoy Zach Warnsky has his a dessert named after him
on the menu there. So yeah, that's a yeah, that's
a fascinating and I had not heard that before.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
That's that's funny now.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And as far as like the.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Question, like I look at this.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And I think the the question is this is this
was as you said, like the according to the story
that's out there, this all started.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Before the Stallion's thing became public.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So this was not like well he thought he looked
at that and went, well, I can get away with it,
and so then did it? It was you know, the
order of operations is backwards there.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I think it's more more that there.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Were a lot of corners cut, like a lot of
corner cut right around the time Jim Harbaugh was a
big ten media.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Days saying we got to beat Ohio State or die trying.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
A lot of corners started getting cut, and all this
stuff happened after that.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
And you know, we can run through the laundry list
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And this is not to say that you know this
this one adult's actions are directly a responsibility you know,
responsibility of this other, you know, the person who's the
head coach, Like it's not we're saying, but you know,
there were a lot of things that were probably a
little bit overlooked or a little bit like it's fine,
Like it's I don't think that the you know, the
(05:40):
enforcement level within the building internally was probably what it
probably could have been.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Uh And I think a lot of that has to.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Do with stuff kind of got you know it all
it all lines up very well with beat Ohio State
or die Frying.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
So you know, I don't I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You know, if you had people we talked on a
show earlier as we go, Publo Pablo torrig In, Like
if you knew Pablo torri was coming to dig in
on you three years ago, yeah, you'd probably be a
little bit more on your p's and q's than you
were otherwise.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
When you know, the.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Head coach sure didn't sure didn't know what was going
on anywhere. He had no idea what was happening with
any of this stuff. And you know, if what's amoida,
like if what's am mooida is basically your program identity,
then then you're going to have this kind of stuff happen.
It's not that it's that person's fault. It's just that
you're sort of creating the climate for this type of
(06:34):
thing to happen. So next one from at chip rows.
The teams with bys didn't do too well last year,
how do you see it playing out this year?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, the reason it didn't go well for the team
of buys last year is because they were all underdogs
thanks except for Georgia. They had to buy and they
were like a point a half favorite over Notre Dame.
So even Georgia being the low and favor in there
basically group of five, Boise State they had, they had
(07:05):
to buy. They got to play Penn State there, they
were underdogs there. Oregon the number one seed, gets the
buy and they were underdogs against Ohio State, Arizona State,
the other conference champ. They got the buy. They were
underdogs against Texas So it would help if you are
not the underdog. And then looking at this year's quarterfinals,
basically the only underdog at this point would be Texas
(07:30):
Tech by about a point and a half over or yeah,
not over Oregon. But you know what I'm saying, like
Oregon to be point in half favor over Texas A
and m. Other than that, Indiana will be favored over
both Alabama and Oklahoma. Georgia of course favored over too
later old miss Ohio State favored over Miami and Texas
A and M. So it will go and I'll go
(07:52):
much better on paper just because again you're not the
rules last year have changed in terms of the conference
himpions getting getting buys, so that that should take care
of itself in terms of the part of the benefit
of being earning that buy.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, the higher seeds last year were not actually the
higher seeds.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
They you know, the.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Format of the playoff is such that you're going to
get some weird stuff like this year James Madison getting
in and Notre Dame getting left out, even though Notre
Dame would probably be a three plus touchdown favorite over
James Madison. So their format of the field is going
to create some weirdness like that. Last year, a lot
of that weirdness was created around the first round, where,
(08:42):
you know, because Ohio State got pushed down a couple
spots because of the you know, obviously Ohio State was
going to be a higher ranked team than Boise State
or who is it Clemson. No, Arizona State, like Ohio
State was ahead of both of those teams that ended
up seeded below those teams because they were going to
get bumped up and to be the top four.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You end up with a weird.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Field, and you also end up with Ohio State then
playing Oregon in week in Oregon's first game, as opposed
to Oregon playing Arizona State or someone like that in
their first game. And Oregon probably beats Arizona State, but
Oregon extremely did not beat Ohio State because Ohio State
was probably the most talented team in the field last year.
So they've rectified some of those issues Ohio State. Like
(09:25):
you know, last year, Ohio State would have been the
five seed with the current you know, the way the
thing is laid out, and you would have had Tulane
as the four seed. So you know, now Ohio State's
the two and two lane CE eleven. So it's that
that in and of itself is probably going to fix
a lot of those issues.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, next one for at chip Rousch.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
How badly must Alabama be get beaten for there to
be a real change in the CFP process? Well, so, OK,
hold this against No. Tide because they lost to another
a SEC team. Paul, that ain't no, I ain't know nothing.
Then again, everybody wouldn't lost us today an SEC team Oklahoma,
(10:09):
they ain't the SEC.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
The ain't real.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Good nothing that I don't think that's gonna change. Like
if you had Alabama going out and playing Oregon, like
Alabama would just get fire bombed by Oregon, just absolutely
lit on fire and sent down the river and they.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
But they're not.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
They're gonna play Oklahoma, so that will just be proof
that Oklahoma was a.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Good and deserving team.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, now you can look at the statistical profiles we did.
I did a morning show, a series of morning shows
earlier in the week, and then also we actually talked
about this on one of our earlier question shows where
it's like, which team would Ohio State most you know,
least want to play in the playoff or presents the
biggest challenge outside of the two group of five teams.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Alabama is the easiest.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Matchup for a team like Ohio State by one hundred thousand.
Alabama would end up with a but negative six yards
of offense, and Ohio State would probably easily put up
twenty to thirty points on them. And if you get
shorter field, I mean, Ohio State would light Alabama on
fire this year. And so Alabama is playing a team
where Oklahoma's defense is going to be extraordinarily good, their
(11:19):
offense is terrible. So it's not gonna look like a
thirty one to three kind of game no matter how
it comes out. But it's going to you know, Alabama
is not a team that really is one of the
best teams. Like I Notre Dame would be a far
more challenging matchup for Ohio State than Alabama, like by
a million miles would be a more challenging matchup for Ohio.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
State, and Miami is as well.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So I you know, I don't know that it's going
to change the process that I say. You know, if
you want the CFP selection process changed, you have to
you know that that's gonna have to be the other
conferences coming in and that's not gonna be based on
the final score of the Alabama game.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
That's gonna be the other conferences coming in and saying, look.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
This is stupid that Alabama got in over Notre Dame,
This is stupid that Aliabait. You know that you've got
these teams getting in and it's just based on the helmet.
I don't know that the result of the Alabama game
is going to be what changes that process, though.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, and I keep I was thinking for a while
that it's the result of Notre Dame not getting in.
I could change things, but my understanding, I've read this,
so that's not just my understanding of it. The next
iteration of the playoffs, whatever they are right now, it's
Notre Dame. If they're ranked in the top twelve, they're in.
(12:36):
And so they were ranked eleventh in the final rankings,
so they would have gotten in. James Madison gets knocked out.
So the idea of you've got a Notre Dame team
that potentially has good enough to win a national championship
does not make it in. That's enough to create a
reason to change this and move it to sixteen and
(12:59):
create more avenues to make it in there. But with
Notre Dame getting their sweetheart deal, which is what they've
always gotten, and somehow it just wasn't enough this time around,
and they were eliminated. Because there's only so much bending
backwards you can do for a program. Eventually you know
you're just you're folded in half. There's no more nowhere
(13:20):
else you can go. But if they're if they're automatically in,
if they're ranked in the top twelve, regardless of what
happens anywhere else, then maybe they're okay. But I kind
of feel like it's going to sixteen next year, and
I know they've been kicking it down, but the fact
that they hit their deadline and they're like, well, let's
(13:42):
move the deadline, and you've seen some unhappiness with two
groups of fives getting in and the way things have gone,
I'm expecting wouldn't be shocked if there's a sixteen team,
and maybe even they throw in a limit of one
group of five team in there, just as a little
knife and the side. But I think if you go
to sixteen, I think you're for five's and it doesn't matter.
(14:06):
I'm I'd be surprised at this point if it's twelve
again next year. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I think that the stomping of the feat from everyone
involved is just going to lead to well, then we'll
just let more people in and it's just gonna get bigger.
I mean, you've seen this with the NCAA tournament, and
it was just it felt like every year it was
Seth Greenberg at Virginia Tech just absolutely sobbing at the
fact that his team was once again the sixty sixth
best team in the country and was getting left out
(14:32):
on selection Sunday, and Dick Bytell.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Is, Oh, it's terrible, baby, is so bad? Do you hope?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And you're doing this to.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
These kids, and it was like, yeah, but they're like
sub five hundred in conference. Oh, it doesn't matter, baby,
and leave it to the people in charge of college
sports just screwed up by expanding things too much. So yes,
this is going to be a sixteen team thing next year,
one hundred percent, and that's just you kind of have
to make your peace with that. I'm much more interested.
(15:01):
I think it's a much more interesting question whether.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
You have the automatic bid thing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
That the Big Ten proposed, because that, you know, from
a competitive perspective, I sort of recoil at that in
horror a little bit. But also the committee. I never
feel like the committee does a great job. So if
you can take it out of the committee's hands, I
don't mind that really, And it also potentially sets you
up for a much more interesting championship game weekend where
you can have functionally like play in games for all
(15:27):
these conferences to get in.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That that could.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Be I mean, like make really really exciting competitive games.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
So you know, I.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Have sort of grudgingly come around to the fact that
I think that that's what they probably should do, even
though I just absolutely hate the fact that it's you know,
you're getting auto bids per conference. But you know, it
also feels like the people in charge of the sport
and the people in charge of selecting who she needs
to get in, and the people who get all weepy
on ESPN about you know, can you believe that they
(16:01):
might leave you know, an Alabama team that just lost
by thirty points out, I mean, like, oh, it'd be
the biggest tragedy in history of the world. Like, if
you can get some of those people out of the process,
that would probably be a good thing. So, you know,
I'm interested to see whether that ends up coming around
this year because that, you know, sixteen feels like sadly inevitable.
(16:22):
I kind of feel like, at this point, twelve is
not bad. Twelve is really not bad. But if it's sixteen,
I would I will grudgingly sign on for that if
you have the you know, sort of auto bid thing,
and also if you can get the first two rounds
on campus sites like that would be really fantastic to
get a couple a couple home games for these you know,
(16:43):
the top higher ranked teams.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Well, I think you would just get the first round
at home, but you'd also have the play in games
yeah home as well, so those be some extra games there.
So I do expect that. I we'll see again about
the auto autobids and maybe playing games, but I do
expect sixteen next.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Year, all right, And the last one from at ghost
Buckler's what Buckeye team from last year's team? What buck
guy from last year's team would you put on this
year's team?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Do best guarantee a national title? That is a good one.
I like that one a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I don't know that you need to go anywhere defensively,
but it's what would Jordan Hancock look like on this
year's defense? I mean they would just be like, well,
there's even more lockdown, Like what are you gonna do?
If a Jordan Hancock? You can do all of these
different things. But there are two names Shari Tom because
it's it's really interesting to imagine a Mecca Abuka and
(17:39):
this offensive a slot with Jamia Smith and Cardil Tay.
But we never got to see what the Amcica Jackson
Smith and jigbab Marvin Harrison situation, and this with a
Mecca Abuka and the slot would be I think incredible.
That to me is also luxury. The bigger need is
(18:03):
go ahead and just give me Donovan Jackson and I'll
fit them in at whether whether he's a left guard
at his home and then look, Montgomery's the right card.
But to me, that is the correct answer. The fun
video game answer is no, it's a Mecca a Buca
and you go from there. I bet some people would say,
Well Howard, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I don't think Bill Howard's the answer. But I remember
a couple of days ago when we were.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Doing the thing and.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
It was you know, the path to the playoff, and
you got really annoyed that you didn't have any ad
because I gave the completely correct answer. Yeah it's Donovan
Jackson and you saw, you know, you move your offensive
line accordingly. But the fun answer is, uh, a Mecca
Abuka because uh, sport scoreboard, Go burr. That's that's the scoreboard,
Go burr answer, which would be like, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
You figure out that, you figure out the.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Blocking if you have a Mecha Abuka in the slot
on this offense. But you know, it's interesting that you
can go through and it's like, you know, the Jordan
Handcake answer, like yeah, that's a that's a good answer.
You know, you could you could put one of the
defensive ends in the mix in terms of you know,
really any of the guys on the defensive line you
could put in.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
You know, it'd be they.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Had lots of lots of real good productive players.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
On the defensive line last year. That would be like,
oh yeah, it'd be nice to have that guy back.
But yeah, I think you you nailed it. I think
it's Donovan.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Jackson and then and Mecha Buka is the is the
fun one if you if the correct answer is already taken, it's.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Amazing that you can look at all these defensive guys
from last year, like, well, what about Lathan Richie, I
don't really need him. What about Denzil Bulk, Denzil Burk?
What about j T. Tumu the kid Curry's fine, don't
you want Tyler Williams? Like, well, okay, maybe Tyler Williams. Yeah,
maybe that would be the one. But overall, you know,
you look at that offensive Donovan Jackson certainly makes the
(19:52):
most sense. Or if you want to there Josh Simmons
in there at left tackle and move Austin Syravel to
right guard, do that as well. I think that's that's
another one. But so there anything else that any other
names that you'd like to throw out there.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
No, there's a lot of positions that I'm thinking through him,
Like nope, same guy, Nope, same guy, Nope.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Normally this is a fun one because it's like players
are history and it's like wherever everyone's racing to, say
Orlando Pace or whatever. But this is like, you know,
half the team is the same, so there's not as
many uh and they were less experienced last year, so
there's there's not as many choices here.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Like Cody Simon shows up at the front door of
the whack and can I come back? And like no,
Like you're you're sending Cody Simon away. We don't have
room for him. No, you just gotta go, Son, you
gotta go. Why will call security? But that's Cody Simon.
That's Cody Simon, and you're like calling security on him
because you don't want him room. I guess that's just
the testament to this year's defense and the rudeness of
(20:49):
the people up the whack. So there you go, Tom,
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