October 8, 2025 • 23 mins
Buckeye Weekly: Updates on Ohio State Football Practice & Player Development
Join hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr in this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast as they provide updates from Ohio State football practice. The duo discusses insights from interviews with head coach Ryan Day, wide receiver Jeremiah Smith, linebacker Payton Pierce, and other key players. Highlights include the development of tight end Max Klare, comparisons between current defensive coordinator Matt Patricia and former coordinator Jim Knowles, and the potential impact of proposed NCAA rule changes on player eligibility. Don't miss their in-depth analysis and engaging commentary.
00:00 Introduction and Upcoming Trip
01:42 Post-Practice Insights
02:02 Max Klare's Development
05:21 Transition Challenges for Transfers
09:31 Defensive Line Versatility
11:56 Matt Patricia's Impact
19:48 CJ Hicks and Redshirting
22:55 Closing Remarks and Call to Action
Join hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr in this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast as they provide updates from Ohio State football practice. The duo discusses insights from interviews with head coach Ryan Day, wide receiver Jeremiah Smith, linebacker Payton Pierce, and other key players. Highlights include the development of tight end Max Klare, comparisons between current defensive coordinator Matt Patricia and former coordinator Jim Knowles, and the potential impact of proposed NCAA rule changes on player eligibility. Don't miss their in-depth analysis and engaging commentary.
00:00 Introduction and Upcoming Trip
01:42 Post-Practice Insights
02:02 Max Klare's Development
05:21 Transition Challenges for Transfers
09:31 Defensive Line Versatility
11:56 Matt Patricia's Impact
19:48 CJ Hicks and Redshirting
22:55 Closing Remarks and Call to Action
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerderman here as always with Tom or Tom.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How's it going, Tony?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
We are just what a day and a half away
from a trip to lovely Central Illinois. Tony, I am
a little upset, okay, because there's no wind in the forecast.
And if there's no wind, it's not Champagne. It's just
a sparkling mid size Illinois city.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Right, so you need you need a carbonated stadium.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, well yeah, yeah, bubbly, Yeah, a little bubbly, and
it's still it's still sparkling, but it's not officially Champagne
if there's not win there, right, No, I think about
that on the.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Way in today and think that'd be a funny bit. Yes,
yes I did, No worry.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
We could strike it. But Tom, you're the only person
probably in the world where a trip to Champagne and
Memorial Stadium is a bucket list game for you.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's more bucket list is a little strong, but it's
pal pil lists.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, it's like a pale it's and it's one of
those like little kids beach pales.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Pale list. It is.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It is one of the Uh, golly, if you count
the Rose Bowl, which I've been too many times, but
not for UCLA home game. Uh, and you count the Coliseum,
which I've been to the outside of but not actually
been inside. This is the only big ten stadium I
have not literally laid eyes on at some point in
my life. So that'll be, uh, you know, that'll be
a major, major milestone.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Do you think you'll cry?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Almost certainly, not, especially without the wind blowing you know,
corn or retractors or whatever into my eyes.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
So welcome everybody. We are here. It is a Wednesday
night post practice. We talked with Frida Day, Jeremiah Smith,
Joshua Padilla, and I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, Max Claire, Paint Pierce, Max Claire, paper Pins.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Bo Atkinson, r vel Reese for five good minutes talking
about Illinois, talking about Ohio State. Sure, let's start with
Max Claire and what some people were saying about him.
Ryan Day was asked about him, and this is something
that Ryan Day has said all along, where, Yeah, Max
Claire very good at Purdue. You come to Ayos State.
(02:16):
It's different here. And it took a while for Max
to get to the point where we saw him last week.
As like a legitimate offensive weapon. And now it seems
like he's finally hitting his stride. And it's only taken
nine ten months, but it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Takes a while for the for the Purdue to wash out.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
But it's like it's a legitimate thing in terms of
how they practice, how they prepare, how they do everything
that the you know who you're practicing against. But now
he seems to be in good shoes basically well.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And one of the things that I think helped to
get him there is the.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Fact that Jeremiah Smith was talking about Max Claire and
it was one of the first things he was asked about,
and he said, I'm going to paraphrase this, but he
basically said when he got here, he didn't have that
dog in him, and Coach Mick basically assigned him to
me and just basically said, like.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Fix this. And he said, now he's got that dog
in him.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It's you know when you have you remember like in
the eighties when you would see those like feature stories
about Jerry Rice running the hill and like, you know,
all the rookies or the other guys who were like, oh,
I just signed with the forty nine ers as a
free agent, I'm gonna go work out with Jerry Rice.
I'm sure this will be fun, and they're like literally
medically dead in about fifteen minutes. I think that's probably
(03:36):
a little bit like what this was like, where it's
just like, yeah, I also played in the Big Ten,
so that's pretty cool and oh lord, oh oh no,
and you know once you probably had the uh what
the great awakening? Is that what we call it sometimes
the spring awakening? Like we talk about that in terms
of guys who sometimes are kind of going, oh, I'm
(03:56):
just not going to play here, Okay, I should go
to the transfer portal. In this case, it was kind
of like, oh, I thought I knew what went into
being a Big ten football player. Turns out I did not,
And so then you figure it out. And then you know,
with someone like Max Claire, he's got the physical tools,
he's got the talent, he's got the game. It was
just a matter of, okay, now you need to step
that up because Perdue Good is not Ohio Station.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah. No, you're talking about like Max Claire talking to
Jeremiah Smith like I'm six four two, I also catch
passes in the Big Ten. It's like twins Danny divido
adult schwartzeneggets like, looking at a Mirra.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I thought you were gonna say we we only make
Simpson's reference on that. No, oh your what your name is,
Daryl Strawberry? You play right field? I play right field?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Like that's that's kind of the like yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But it is again more more testament to Jeremiah Smith
and that you get this top rated tight end in
the country and the transfer portal and you assigned into
a sophomore wide receiving in his second winter work out,
and it's like, take this guy, teach him, teach him
how to be a buck eye, Teach him how to
(05:05):
be an iron buck eye if you can, and then
come come talk to me in the spring. It's amazing.
And that also Max Clair has to humble himself a
little bit to be like, Okay, what do I need
to do?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, And you kind of go through this with a
lot of guys coming to Ohio State, where you know
Jeremiah Smith, Marvin Harrison. There were only a couple guys
who really didn't have that like welcome to the show,
wrote kind of moment.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Almost everyone who comes here.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Tavian Saint Clair five star prospect top five firm player
in the nation, came to Ohio State and in the
spring heme look lost.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Now he's put into work, lost his black stripe this week.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But there is a there is an uncomfortable time where
all of a sudden, you have spent your entire life
as the best player on every football field you've ever
stepped on, and you get to Ohio State and then
it's like, oh, I'm the forty seventh best player on
this field right now out And that's that's something that
you will go through as a freshman adjusting to Ohio State.
That's a player. It's something you're going to go through.
(06:06):
Jonah Jackson when he came from Rutgers as an offensive lineman,
like no offense to Rutgers, but the Rutgers standard just
a little different than the Ohio State standard.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And so you will see that with guys.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And sometimes you get guys who transfer in and then
right back out again. You'll you'll see that from time
to time too, where it's like this is not for me,
for Max Claire, for bo Atkinson, Like that's called the transition.
Professionals use them. But you'll have these guys who come
in and then oh, Okay, I see now, and then
(06:37):
you make the adjustment and then you're ready to go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And he talked a little bit about the transition from
from North Carolina to Ohio State and how it does
take time, but working with Larry Johnson, working on getting lower,
working on his hands, talking with Matt Patricia about just
all of these small details let alone scheme like scheme
is scheme, but like all of the little details that
make him better and allow him to adapt to Ohio
(07:03):
State but then also make plays on the field. And
what passes that North Carolina does not pass at Ohio
State in so many ways, in so many ways, and name.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Three well, uh well pass rush, head coaching and significant others.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
There's three right there, and let's.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Talk about Yeah, we uh the ram in the room
we put that.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yes, the the first questions that Bowakinson got, poor bow
Atkinson comes out and what's what's the one of the
first questions? So how happy are you to not be
at North Carolina anymore? And you know, I think you
could look at bo Atkinson answering that kind of question
and it's like uh huh, Yeah, he can't say it,
but yeah, I'm sure he is Tyler Bowen, who's was
(07:49):
on a coaching staff whose head coach got fired at
Virginia Tech and he's currently coaching the offensive line at
the number one school in these United States of America.
I'm sure he's pretty happy with his move. But you know, Teller,
I can, to his credit, was sort of asked about
the situation there and talked about the fact that he
saw his friends on the team, and then when he
got a more direct comment quick question, gave the no comment,
(08:12):
which is, Tony, that's one of those things that maybe
more people should use because it's a great answer in
the times when you feel.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Like you might get yourself in trouble.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, he did say his teammates that he keeps in
check with, you know, they're keeping in good spirits, which
is like you've been at war for four months, for
six years, Like, how are things we're in good spirits?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I'm reminded of the Captain Andrew Luck meme from Badly
Dearest Mother. Things are bleak here in Chapel Hill.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Although the way it sounds, they're only going to get
better because things are so bad right now that there's
only one way things can go after it hits Rock
bottom of the next week or so and Bill Belichick
is seemingly gone, then they can start to fix things
and make this a real, live college football destination.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah. Yeah, But.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Just looking at what are the really interesting answers that
bo Atkinson gave. He was asked what you can play
inside outside, how do you prepare for that? Like what's like,
is that difficult? How do you like it? And he's like, yeah,
it's fine because if I don't know where I'm playing,
how's the offense supposed to know? So it's like that's
(09:19):
pretty good. That's that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So yeah, it's if I'm confused and actually confused, they
have to bevisive.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So it's like that's Kayden Curry and doing the same
stuff that's r vl Reie. So it's like, yeah, if
I don't know where I'm gonna be, then how's the
offense supposed to know?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, but if you look at the way Larry Johnson
trains his defensive lineman for years and years and years,
what do we hear having all the tools in the toolbox,
and you know, it's great if you've got to a
killer spin move that you can beat a tackle with,
that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Number one. Once that's on film, then people kind of
know number two.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
If you're gonna maybe maybe you're not going around the outside,
so maybe there's not a room to spin between the
guard and the tackle.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So okay, now what else?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And Larry has for years and years and years made
it a point to train these guys with all sorts
of different moves or all sorts of different situations.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And there are going to be moves.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know, if you have a fastball and a curveball
and a change up, and you know, maybe a slider too.
Some guys are natural fastball hitters. Some guys maybe can't
catch up with fastball. Well, if you've got all these
different pass rush moves, you can, you know, and especially
if you're going up against the left tackle sometimes but
also maybe sometimes you're a three tech or maybe sometimes
(10:30):
you might be lined up right over the center.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Those are different guys who.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Maybe can get beat with different moves, or depending on
whether the guard is staying with the center or the
guard is going out, that's a different move. If you
have these different moves and you know when to use
them and how to use them, you're set up for success.
And you've seen those guys who are typically you think
of as edge players have a ton of success in
the middle of that line.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And I think that's probably a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Of why it's interesting because, as you said, I'm thinking
like kayten Curry, who at times is a zero tech
which is directly over the center, and there's times he'll
move all the way out to like a seveneck, which
would be like outside the tight end, and all in between,
and you've got to have something specific for each of
those spots. And it's a different you know, it's a
(11:17):
different level of attack because there are times where he
may be a full two yards away from the blocker
before before they get to when he's outside, and that's
not the case when he's right over the right, over
the center waiting for the snap.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, if you're lined up over the center, you've got
about twelve to eighteen inches between your helmet and his helmet.
If you're outside, you like you said, you might be
two yards wide, you might be you know, you're a
little further back. The tackle might be a little off.
You know, they're.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Supposed to be on the line, sometimes they're not right
the line. So yeah, those are two very very different circumstances.
But if you have different moves, this is this is
why you train for all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Let's talk about Matt Patricia because he finally just left
the field. I think he's the last coach or player
to leave the field. I saw him walk off finally,
and bo Atkinson was talking about the details that they
work on with him. I asked Peyton Pierce, linebacker, Peyton Pierce,
how much time he has spent with Matt Patricia since
(12:17):
the winter and just working on those little details and
talking football, talking defense, talking whatever. And he said by
his second day, by Matt Patriss's second day here, he
had spent more one on one time with him than
at any point that than the combined time with Jim Knowles.
And granted, Peyton Pierce is here for a year, was a.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
True freshman and was not projected to be a starter at.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
But two days yeah, because and and this you know
they're still talking and this is still but it's not
just football, it's your life and all this. And asked like,
what do you get out of it aside from the football.
It's like you you build up this trust. You know
that this person is invested in you. They want the
best for you from you whatever, and it's not this
selfish need. It's like they want what's best for this person.
(13:06):
And he also talked about like it's people say it's
the process, you know, it's about the process, and Matt
Patricias tells them it's about the company as well, like
the company that you're with and like building all of
this camaraderie. It's always just interesting to hear, like the
the the personal side of this, because we've said it
many times. Matt patricia when he's out here after practice,
(13:29):
he's he's working with somebody, he's talking with somebody, and
he's always got a smile on his face. And yeah,
it's it's fair to say that's different than the previous administration.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Well, and you know, he's an interesting juxtaposition to Bill Belichick,
who we were talking about earlier because these are both
guys they worked together for years years with with the
New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yes that's an NFL team. It's like when college football players.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Leaven kind of go to heaven like this, you know,
they pass into the next life and then that's the NFL.
That's kind of more or less with the NFL is
like but boring with and without any atmosphere anyway, that's
neither here nor there. Belichick left the NFL, had the
year off last year and had the approach to college
(14:16):
of you know, I'm the smartest guy in the room,
and I'm gonna you know, and brought in, you know,
folks like Michae Lombardy, who there has been some recent
reporting that he has not had a sparkling personality. He
has not been the Champagne of personalities down in Chapel Hill,
and you know, brought in this whole coaching staff and
(14:36):
they're not relating at all the players and everything's been
a disaster. And you know, you juxtapose that with Matt Patricia,
who when people heard his name, the immediate reaction was, well,
he was a disaster in Detroit, so he's going to
be a disaster at Ohio State. And I think it's
safe to say he has been something less than a
disaster at Ohio State, you know, in terms of both,
(14:59):
you know, the personal relationships as you were talking about,
but also the on field product, which has been somehow
better than the best defense in the country. Last year,
you took the national championship team with the best defense
of the country and you lost eight starters and then
somehow it's better this year, and that A lot of
that goes into what he's.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Been like around the building.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I think I think he maybe took the correct lesson
from Hey, this didn't work at the end in the NFL,
and okay, I have to make some you know, probably
make some changes. And I think he's talked very openly
about his time as a head coach with the Lions
and things that he you know, lessons he has learned
from that and things that he's applied now moving forward.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Every time we see him, every time we see.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Him in this building, it feels like he's got a
smile on his face and it's not you know, you
could have the guys who come up to the podium
and they're smiling and they're happy, and then as soon
as the lights off, the smile goes wet. You see
him in the back corner of the building talking to
someone and he's engaged and he's really you know, you
think you can read the body language, and he's smiling
a lot, and he's just And it's been like that
(16:06):
since day one.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I am lord at what a different.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Outcome those two situations have had because you know, you
go back and look at the immediate reaction to it,
and the immediate reaction was Bill Belichick is going to
show these stupid college sons and guns what for. And
with Matt Patricia, it's like, that's the dummy that used
to be the coach of the Lions and that went
badly and the results have been extremely different for both.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And I think the first time we talked with Matt
Patricia when he was introduced, he talked about learning lessons
from that Detroit Oh yeah situation, and if you don't
learn those lessons, Tom, they say you're doomed to repeat them,
things of that nature, Whereas with Bill Belichick, it's to
go back to the Simpsons. It's no, it's the kids
who are wrong, you know, like where it's not you know,
(16:53):
everything I've done has been correct with Tom Brady. And
it's just where the more you look at Bill Belichick,
the less credit you give him unless you're comparing it
to Matt Patricia. Like unless you're talking about Matt Patricia,
then it's like, well that was all Belichick, And it's
like whatever you're looking to diminish, you can with the
whole New England situation. Whether you want to do it,
(17:14):
Brady or whatever. But this is a renewed, refreshed coach.
Who knows how long he'll be here, but I think
as long as he is here, they're gonna find ways.
Even if even if they keep losing talent through nil
to you know, recruits and whatever. I think he's got
a way of lifting guys up. Like right now, through
(17:34):
five games, the defensive line is like, has one fewer
sacks than the defensive line did last year at this point. However,
that's not counting any of our vel Reese's three sacks,
which you probably should. So it's like the defensive line
loses four starters, has the same kind of statistical production.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, and you haven't seen the fall off anywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I mean they've been you know that they've had after
through five games. Was that after the Oregon game last
year was at the sixth.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Game that that was the sixth sixth.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Game, Okay, so you know they they went into the
Organ game five and zero, so the same same spot
as they were this year. But you know, to your point,
you lost all these starters, you lost eight starters, you
lost your whole defensive front and the guys who are
now replacing those guys were the guys who were the
backups and the guys who, in some big moments last
(18:33):
year didn't play a fall heck a lot. I go
back two years and JG. Twumoloo and Jackson were playing
every single snap at Notre Dame. You know, these are
these are not guys who have been at the level
of the people that they're replacing for for the whole time.
And you can have the longtime backups who then get
their chance to step up, and sometimes it's Kaden Curry
(18:54):
and sometimes it's Kavon Pope and Taraja Mitchell and you know,
the linebackers for to the what was at two thousand
and twenty twenty one keep trying, Yeah, twenty twenty one,
I think where you know, like Pete Warner and Tuf
Forland had been there forever and you look justin Hilliard
(19:14):
and it was like, well, okay, so these guys have
just been waiting their turn, so now they'll be.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Just as good.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
No, not necessarily, these guys this year have been just
as good. And you ever plays a really good talented players.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Who you know J.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
T two Moloel, Jack Sawyer, made a few plays in
their day, so to have guys who were the backups
be not, you know, not just as good, but maybe
even you know, maybe even a little better, depending how
when to.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Find your terms, that's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
One last thing that I wanted to touch on, Brian
Day give an insting answer when talking about CJ. Hicks,
who is potentially redshirting right now, and he brought up,
which is something he brought up, the five years to
play five, which is the role of the NCAA is Molley.
He's like, I wish they'd tell us, you know, which
direction they think this is going, because right now, if
they if it's looking like it's gonna be five or five,
(20:08):
then CJ. Hicks is missing out on some time right
now where he could play this year and play next year.
And everybody you talk to they feel like this is
the way it's going to go. But that's that's just
speculation at that point.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well, I remember when the unlimited coaching staff was coming
in Ohio State head it felt like largely planned their
off season around this legislation that is supposed to pass soon,
is going to pass soon, and we're going to sort
of plan around that and then it didn't happen, and
then it was like, well, I know what.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
They're still dealing with the nil situation as well, where
it's just like you're sitting around and waiting. But that
was an interesting answer where they still have to be
on call Milie Cartford as well. But with CJ. Hicks,
they sounds like they'd like to try to get him
some reps, but there's just not enough to justify, Like
(21:00):
five snaps isn't enough to burd it here, right then?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Right, well, then I go back to like Kyle McCord,
where Kyle McCord should have another year of college football.
But Kyle McCord played in five games in his true
freshman season and not four. If he'd played in four,
he would still have another year of college football.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
He'd probably be making you know, a million and a half.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Dollars or whatever it is at Syracuse, and you know,
if he was healthy, they would probably still have a
you know, they replaced him with Steve Angelly. It's EVANGELI
had a pretty good year and then got hurt. But
you know, if Kyle McCord is there and healthy, he's
probably having another big statistical season.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Now he's off to the NFL and he got drafted
by the Egals.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I thyes, and I don't think he's playing for them,
So you know, you'd be better off if you had
that opportunity. But you know, when you're a true freshman
and you're the five star quarterback, you don't expect to
play five years in college. And that was kind of
the case with CJ. Hicks as well, where CJ. Hicks
was the five star and you probably weren't expected to
play five years. It was probably you play three years
(21:57):
and then I'm off to the NFL and everyone this
path is a little different, And now that fifty year.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Looks like we be beneficial for CJ.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Hicks.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
They would love to have him out there.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
They might not have him out there again until after
the regular shoson. He can still play Big Ten Championship game,
college Football Playoff, all that kind of stuff. But if
you are going to have five for five, you would
love to give him more reps because they would love
to have him out there on special teams and if
it was five snaps on defense, whatever, great like. You'd
love to do that, but that's not necessarily worth burning
a year for.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
If you really are burning a year.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, and so right now you got Zion Grady who's
making plays, getting opportunity to make plays, and at safety
Fahim delaying Lee Roy Roker getting opportunities to play instead
of Lee Cartford. And so everybody has to just be
ready to step up when their time is called.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And so far they have.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Now they're being called upon in the fourth quarter or
you know, like no pressure situations just yet, but you
get him out there now so that when that pressure
situation does come, they operate.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Anything else, I think we covered the big stuff, So okay, all.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Right, then we'll do it. If you're watching on YouTube,
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(23:20):
right now there's this whole North Carolina thing is an
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Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well, so what anything going on at Penn State?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And also there's some stuff going on at Penn State
as well, and you know there's always conversations going on,
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Would love to see you there, Thank you all for
tuning in, and we'll talk to you guys later
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerderman here as always with Tom or Tom.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How's it going, Tony?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
We are just what a day and a half away
from a trip to lovely Central Illinois. Tony, I am
a little upset, okay, because there's no wind in the forecast.
And if there's no wind, it's not Champagne. It's just
a sparkling mid size Illinois city.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Right, so you need you need a carbonated stadium.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, well yeah, yeah, bubbly, Yeah, a little bubbly, and
it's still it's still sparkling, but it's not officially Champagne
if there's not win there, right, No, I think about
that on the.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Way in today and think that'd be a funny bit. Yes,
yes I did, No worry.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
We could strike it. But Tom, you're the only person
probably in the world where a trip to Champagne and
Memorial Stadium is a bucket list game for you.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's more bucket list is a little strong, but it's
pal pil lists.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, it's like a pale it's and it's one of
those like little kids beach pales.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Pale list. It is.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It is one of the Uh, golly, if you count
the Rose Bowl, which I've been too many times, but
not for UCLA home game. Uh, and you count the Coliseum,
which I've been to the outside of but not actually
been inside. This is the only big ten stadium I
have not literally laid eyes on at some point in
my life. So that'll be, uh, you know, that'll be
a major, major milestone.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Do you think you'll cry?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Almost certainly, not, especially without the wind blowing you know,
corn or retractors or whatever into my eyes.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
So welcome everybody. We are here. It is a Wednesday
night post practice. We talked with Frida Day, Jeremiah Smith,
Joshua Padilla, and I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, Max Claire, Paint Pierce, Max Claire, paper Pins.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Bo Atkinson, r vel Reese for five good minutes talking
about Illinois, talking about Ohio State. Sure, let's start with
Max Claire and what some people were saying about him.
Ryan Day was asked about him, and this is something
that Ryan Day has said all along, where, Yeah, Max
Claire very good at Purdue. You come to Ayos State.
(02:16):
It's different here. And it took a while for Max
to get to the point where we saw him last week.
As like a legitimate offensive weapon. And now it seems
like he's finally hitting his stride. And it's only taken
nine ten months, but it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Takes a while for the for the Purdue to wash out.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
But it's like it's a legitimate thing in terms of
how they practice, how they prepare, how they do everything
that the you know who you're practicing against. But now
he seems to be in good shoes basically well.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And one of the things that I think helped to
get him there is the.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Fact that Jeremiah Smith was talking about Max Claire and
it was one of the first things he was asked about,
and he said, I'm going to paraphrase this, but he
basically said when he got here, he didn't have that
dog in him, and Coach Mick basically assigned him to
me and just basically said, like.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Fix this. And he said, now he's got that dog
in him.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It's you know when you have you remember like in
the eighties when you would see those like feature stories
about Jerry Rice running the hill and like, you know,
all the rookies or the other guys who were like, oh,
I just signed with the forty nine ers as a
free agent, I'm gonna go work out with Jerry Rice.
I'm sure this will be fun, and they're like literally
medically dead in about fifteen minutes. I think that's probably
(03:36):
a little bit like what this was like, where it's
just like, yeah, I also played in the Big Ten,
so that's pretty cool and oh lord, oh oh no,
and you know once you probably had the uh what
the great awakening? Is that what we call it sometimes
the spring awakening? Like we talk about that in terms
of guys who sometimes are kind of going, oh, I'm
(03:56):
just not going to play here, Okay, I should go
to the transfer portal. In this case, it was kind
of like, oh, I thought I knew what went into
being a Big ten football player. Turns out I did not,
And so then you figure it out. And then you know,
with someone like Max Claire, he's got the physical tools,
he's got the talent, he's got the game. It was
just a matter of, okay, now you need to step
that up because Perdue Good is not Ohio Station.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah. No, you're talking about like Max Claire talking to
Jeremiah Smith like I'm six four two, I also catch
passes in the Big Ten. It's like twins Danny divido
adult schwartzeneggets like, looking at a Mirra.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I thought you were gonna say we we only make
Simpson's reference on that. No, oh your what your name is,
Daryl Strawberry? You play right field? I play right field?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Like that's that's kind of the like yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But it is again more more testament to Jeremiah Smith
and that you get this top rated tight end in
the country and the transfer portal and you assigned into
a sophomore wide receiving in his second winter work out,
and it's like, take this guy, teach him, teach him
how to be a buck eye, Teach him how to
(05:05):
be an iron buck eye if you can, and then
come come talk to me in the spring. It's amazing.
And that also Max Clair has to humble himself a
little bit to be like, Okay, what do I need
to do?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, And you kind of go through this with a
lot of guys coming to Ohio State, where you know
Jeremiah Smith, Marvin Harrison. There were only a couple guys
who really didn't have that like welcome to the show,
wrote kind of moment.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Almost everyone who comes here.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Tavian Saint Clair five star prospect top five firm player
in the nation, came to Ohio State and in the
spring heme look lost.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Now he's put into work, lost his black stripe this week.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But there is a there is an uncomfortable time where
all of a sudden, you have spent your entire life
as the best player on every football field you've ever
stepped on, and you get to Ohio State and then
it's like, oh, I'm the forty seventh best player on
this field right now out And that's that's something that
you will go through as a freshman adjusting to Ohio State.
That's a player. It's something you're going to go through.
(06:06):
Jonah Jackson when he came from Rutgers as an offensive lineman,
like no offense to Rutgers, but the Rutgers standard just
a little different than the Ohio State standard.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And so you will see that with guys.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And sometimes you get guys who transfer in and then
right back out again. You'll you'll see that from time
to time too, where it's like this is not for me,
for Max Claire, for bo Atkinson, Like that's called the transition.
Professionals use them. But you'll have these guys who come
in and then oh, Okay, I see now, and then
(06:37):
you make the adjustment and then you're ready to go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And he talked a little bit about the transition from
from North Carolina to Ohio State and how it does
take time, but working with Larry Johnson, working on getting lower,
working on his hands, talking with Matt Patricia about just
all of these small details let alone scheme like scheme
is scheme, but like all of the little details that
make him better and allow him to adapt to Ohio
(07:03):
State but then also make plays on the field. And
what passes that North Carolina does not pass at Ohio
State in so many ways, in so many ways, and name.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Three well, uh well pass rush, head coaching and significant others.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
There's three right there, and let's.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Talk about Yeah, we uh the ram in the room
we put that.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yes, the the first questions that Bowakinson got, poor bow
Atkinson comes out and what's what's the one of the
first questions? So how happy are you to not be
at North Carolina anymore? And you know, I think you
could look at bo Atkinson answering that kind of question
and it's like uh huh, Yeah, he can't say it,
but yeah, I'm sure he is Tyler Bowen, who's was
(07:49):
on a coaching staff whose head coach got fired at
Virginia Tech and he's currently coaching the offensive line at
the number one school in these United States of America.
I'm sure he's pretty happy with his move. But you know, Teller,
I can, to his credit, was sort of asked about
the situation there and talked about the fact that he
saw his friends on the team, and then when he
got a more direct comment quick question, gave the no comment,
(08:12):
which is, Tony, that's one of those things that maybe
more people should use because it's a great answer in
the times when you feel.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Like you might get yourself in trouble.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, he did say his teammates that he keeps in
check with, you know, they're keeping in good spirits, which
is like you've been at war for four months, for
six years, Like, how are things we're in good spirits?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I'm reminded of the Captain Andrew Luck meme from Badly
Dearest Mother. Things are bleak here in Chapel Hill.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Although the way it sounds, they're only going to get
better because things are so bad right now that there's
only one way things can go after it hits Rock
bottom of the next week or so and Bill Belichick
is seemingly gone, then they can start to fix things
and make this a real, live college football destination.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah. Yeah, But.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Just looking at what are the really interesting answers that
bo Atkinson gave. He was asked what you can play
inside outside, how do you prepare for that? Like what's like,
is that difficult? How do you like it? And he's like, yeah,
it's fine because if I don't know where I'm playing,
how's the offense supposed to know? So it's like that's
(09:19):
pretty good. That's that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So yeah, it's if I'm confused and actually confused, they
have to bevisive.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So it's like that's Kayden Curry and doing the same
stuff that's r vl Reie. So it's like, yeah, if
I don't know where I'm gonna be, then how's the
offense supposed to know?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, but if you look at the way Larry Johnson
trains his defensive lineman for years and years and years,
what do we hear having all the tools in the toolbox,
and you know, it's great if you've got to a
killer spin move that you can beat a tackle with,
that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Number one. Once that's on film, then people kind of
know number two.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
If you're gonna maybe maybe you're not going around the outside,
so maybe there's not a room to spin between the
guard and the tackle.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So okay, now what else?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And Larry has for years and years and years made
it a point to train these guys with all sorts
of different moves or all sorts of different situations.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And there are going to be moves.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know, if you have a fastball and a curveball
and a change up, and you know, maybe a slider too.
Some guys are natural fastball hitters. Some guys maybe can't
catch up with fastball. Well, if you've got all these
different pass rush moves, you can, you know, and especially
if you're going up against the left tackle sometimes but
also maybe sometimes you're a three tech or maybe sometimes
(10:30):
you might be lined up right over the center.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Those are different guys who.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Maybe can get beat with different moves, or depending on
whether the guard is staying with the center or the
guard is going out, that's a different move. If you
have these different moves and you know when to use
them and how to use them, you're set up for success.
And you've seen those guys who are typically you think
of as edge players have a ton of success in
the middle of that line.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And I think that's probably a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Of why it's interesting because, as you said, I'm thinking
like kayten Curry, who at times is a zero tech
which is directly over the center, and there's times he'll
move all the way out to like a seveneck, which
would be like outside the tight end, and all in between,
and you've got to have something specific for each of
those spots. And it's a different you know, it's a
(11:17):
different level of attack because there are times where he
may be a full two yards away from the blocker
before before they get to when he's outside, and that's
not the case when he's right over the right, over
the center waiting for the snap.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, if you're lined up over the center, you've got
about twelve to eighteen inches between your helmet and his helmet.
If you're outside, you like you said, you might be
two yards wide, you might be you know, you're a
little further back. The tackle might be a little off.
You know, they're.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Supposed to be on the line, sometimes they're not right
the line. So yeah, those are two very very different circumstances.
But if you have different moves, this is this is
why you train for all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Let's talk about Matt Patricia because he finally just left
the field. I think he's the last coach or player
to leave the field. I saw him walk off finally,
and bo Atkinson was talking about the details that they
work on with him. I asked Peyton Pierce, linebacker, Peyton Pierce,
how much time he has spent with Matt Patricia since
(12:17):
the winter and just working on those little details and
talking football, talking defense, talking whatever. And he said by
his second day, by Matt Patriss's second day here, he
had spent more one on one time with him than
at any point that than the combined time with Jim Knowles.
And granted, Peyton Pierce is here for a year, was a.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
True freshman and was not projected to be a starter at.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
But two days yeah, because and and this you know
they're still talking and this is still but it's not
just football, it's your life and all this. And asked like,
what do you get out of it aside from the football.
It's like you you build up this trust. You know
that this person is invested in you. They want the
best for you from you whatever, and it's not this
selfish need. It's like they want what's best for this person.
(13:06):
And he also talked about like it's people say it's
the process, you know, it's about the process, and Matt
Patricias tells them it's about the company as well, like
the company that you're with and like building all of
this camaraderie. It's always just interesting to hear, like the
the the personal side of this, because we've said it
many times. Matt patricia when he's out here after practice,
(13:29):
he's he's working with somebody, he's talking with somebody, and
he's always got a smile on his face. And yeah,
it's it's fair to say that's different than the previous administration.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Well, and you know, he's an interesting juxtaposition to Bill Belichick,
who we were talking about earlier because these are both
guys they worked together for years years with with the
New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yes that's an NFL team. It's like when college football players.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Leaven kind of go to heaven like this, you know,
they pass into the next life and then that's the NFL.
That's kind of more or less with the NFL is
like but boring with and without any atmosphere anyway, that's
neither here nor there. Belichick left the NFL, had the
year off last year and had the approach to college
(14:16):
of you know, I'm the smartest guy in the room,
and I'm gonna you know, and brought in, you know,
folks like Michae Lombardy, who there has been some recent
reporting that he has not had a sparkling personality. He
has not been the Champagne of personalities down in Chapel Hill,
and you know, brought in this whole coaching staff and
(14:36):
they're not relating at all the players and everything's been
a disaster. And you know, you juxtapose that with Matt Patricia,
who when people heard his name, the immediate reaction was, well,
he was a disaster in Detroit, so he's going to
be a disaster at Ohio State. And I think it's
safe to say he has been something less than a
disaster at Ohio State, you know, in terms of both,
(14:59):
you know, the personal relationships as you were talking about,
but also the on field product, which has been somehow
better than the best defense in the country. Last year,
you took the national championship team with the best defense
of the country and you lost eight starters and then
somehow it's better this year, and that A lot of
that goes into what he's.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Been like around the building.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I think I think he maybe took the correct lesson
from Hey, this didn't work at the end in the NFL,
and okay, I have to make some you know, probably
make some changes. And I think he's talked very openly
about his time as a head coach with the Lions
and things that he you know, lessons he has learned
from that and things that he's applied now moving forward.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Every time we see him, every time we see.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Him in this building, it feels like he's got a
smile on his face and it's not you know, you
could have the guys who come up to the podium
and they're smiling and they're happy, and then as soon
as the lights off, the smile goes wet. You see
him in the back corner of the building talking to
someone and he's engaged and he's really you know, you
think you can read the body language, and he's smiling
a lot, and he's just And it's been like that
(16:06):
since day one.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I am lord at what a different.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Outcome those two situations have had because you know, you
go back and look at the immediate reaction to it,
and the immediate reaction was Bill Belichick is going to
show these stupid college sons and guns what for. And
with Matt Patricia, it's like, that's the dummy that used
to be the coach of the Lions and that went
badly and the results have been extremely different for both.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And I think the first time we talked with Matt
Patricia when he was introduced, he talked about learning lessons
from that Detroit Oh yeah situation, and if you don't
learn those lessons, Tom, they say you're doomed to repeat them,
things of that nature, Whereas with Bill Belichick, it's to
go back to the Simpsons. It's no, it's the kids
who are wrong, you know, like where it's not you know,
(16:53):
everything I've done has been correct with Tom Brady. And
it's just where the more you look at Bill Belichick,
the less credit you give him unless you're comparing it
to Matt Patricia. Like unless you're talking about Matt Patricia,
then it's like, well that was all Belichick, And it's
like whatever you're looking to diminish, you can with the
whole New England situation. Whether you want to do it,
(17:14):
Brady or whatever. But this is a renewed, refreshed coach.
Who knows how long he'll be here, but I think
as long as he is here, they're gonna find ways.
Even if even if they keep losing talent through nil
to you know, recruits and whatever. I think he's got
a way of lifting guys up. Like right now, through
(17:34):
five games, the defensive line is like, has one fewer
sacks than the defensive line did last year at this point. However,
that's not counting any of our vel Reese's three sacks,
which you probably should. So it's like the defensive line
loses four starters, has the same kind of statistical production.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, and you haven't seen the fall off anywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I mean they've been you know that they've had after
through five games. Was that after the Oregon game last
year was at the sixth.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Game that that was the sixth sixth.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Game, Okay, so you know they they went into the
Organ game five and zero, so the same same spot
as they were this year. But you know, to your point,
you lost all these starters, you lost eight starters, you
lost your whole defensive front and the guys who are
now replacing those guys were the guys who were the
backups and the guys who, in some big moments last
(18:33):
year didn't play a fall heck a lot. I go
back two years and JG. Twumoloo and Jackson were playing
every single snap at Notre Dame. You know, these are
these are not guys who have been at the level
of the people that they're replacing for for the whole time.
And you can have the longtime backups who then get
their chance to step up, and sometimes it's Kaden Curry
(18:54):
and sometimes it's Kavon Pope and Taraja Mitchell and you know,
the linebackers for to the what was at two thousand
and twenty twenty one keep trying, Yeah, twenty twenty one,
I think where you know, like Pete Warner and Tuf
Forland had been there forever and you look justin Hilliard
(19:14):
and it was like, well, okay, so these guys have
just been waiting their turn, so now they'll be.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Just as good.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
No, not necessarily, these guys this year have been just
as good. And you ever plays a really good talented players.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Who you know J.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
T two Moloel, Jack Sawyer, made a few plays in
their day, so to have guys who were the backups
be not, you know, not just as good, but maybe
even you know, maybe even a little better, depending how
when to.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Find your terms, that's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
One last thing that I wanted to touch on, Brian
Day give an insting answer when talking about CJ. Hicks,
who is potentially redshirting right now, and he brought up,
which is something he brought up, the five years to
play five, which is the role of the NCAA is Molley.
He's like, I wish they'd tell us, you know, which
direction they think this is going, because right now, if
they if it's looking like it's gonna be five or five,
(20:08):
then CJ. Hicks is missing out on some time right
now where he could play this year and play next year.
And everybody you talk to they feel like this is
the way it's going to go. But that's that's just
speculation at that point.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well, I remember when the unlimited coaching staff was coming
in Ohio State head it felt like largely planned their
off season around this legislation that is supposed to pass soon,
is going to pass soon, and we're going to sort
of plan around that and then it didn't happen, and
then it was like, well, I know what.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
They're still dealing with the nil situation as well, where
it's just like you're sitting around and waiting. But that
was an interesting answer where they still have to be
on call Milie Cartford as well. But with CJ. Hicks,
they sounds like they'd like to try to get him
some reps, but there's just not enough to justify, Like
(21:00):
five snaps isn't enough to burd it here, right then?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Right, well, then I go back to like Kyle McCord,
where Kyle McCord should have another year of college football.
But Kyle McCord played in five games in his true
freshman season and not four. If he'd played in four,
he would still have another year of college football.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
He'd probably be making you know, a million and a half.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Dollars or whatever it is at Syracuse, and you know,
if he was healthy, they would probably still have a
you know, they replaced him with Steve Angelly. It's EVANGELI
had a pretty good year and then got hurt. But
you know, if Kyle McCord is there and healthy, he's
probably having another big statistical season.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Now he's off to the NFL and he got drafted
by the Egals.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I thyes, and I don't think he's playing for them,
So you know, you'd be better off if you had
that opportunity. But you know, when you're a true freshman
and you're the five star quarterback, you don't expect to
play five years in college. And that was kind of
the case with CJ. Hicks as well, where CJ. Hicks
was the five star and you probably weren't expected to
play five years. It was probably you play three years
(21:57):
and then I'm off to the NFL and everyone this
path is a little different, And now that fifty year.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Looks like we be beneficial for CJ.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Hicks.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
They would love to have him out there.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
They might not have him out there again until after
the regular shoson. He can still play Big Ten Championship game,
college Football Playoff, all that kind of stuff. But if
you are going to have five for five, you would
love to give him more reps because they would love
to have him out there on special teams and if
it was five snaps on defense, whatever, great like. You'd
love to do that, but that's not necessarily worth burning
a year for.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
If you really are burning a year.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, and so right now you got Zion Grady who's
making plays, getting opportunity to make plays, and at safety
Fahim delaying Lee Roy Roker getting opportunities to play instead
of Lee Cartford. And so everybody has to just be
ready to step up when their time is called.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And so far they have.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Now they're being called upon in the fourth quarter or
you know, like no pressure situations just yet, but you
get him out there now so that when that pressure
situation does come, they operate.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Anything else, I think we covered the big stuff, So okay, all.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
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(23:20):
right now there's this whole North Carolina thing is an
interesting situation as.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well, so what anything going on at Penn State?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And also there's some stuff going on at Penn State
as well, and you know there's always conversations going on,
as you guys might suspect, so check us out there.
Would love to see you there, Thank you all for
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