August 29, 2024 • 39 mins
You will like my friend Campbell as he discusses his heart, passions, and career. His energy and insights will move and motivate you. I am encouraged about the next generation of leadership in America, and Campbell certainly demonstrates his skills and talents to be a superstar in business and life. Thank you for listening. Please consider leaving the show a 5-star review.
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Speaker 1 (02:49):
Here's Chuck, Thank you, Julie, and again welcome to another
episode of The Chuck Crumpton Show. I have to tell
you I'd love business. That's where I spend my mine
life every day Monday through Friday and some Saturdays and Sundays.
And I believe that small businesses in America with two
to two hundred employees or so is the engine that
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drives our world economy. The messages you will hear on
The Chuck Crumpton Show are real world business perspectives. I've
been incredibly blessed and fortunate to have built two of
my own companies and sold them both. That started in
the tool shed of my garage. As a matter of fact,
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this podcast, four years ago now started in my tool shed.
And I love I embrace conversations that are real and raw.
I am a practitioner of business. This conversation today is
about life and business. It is not about business theory.
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The conversations are real and wrong. At Bull Street Mergers,
we help business owners build and sell remarkable companies. If
we can help you, please reach out to us at
Bullstreet Mergers dot com. Okay, enough of that, let's get
after this. I am really, really happy today to introduce
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our guest, Kempbell Wiltshire. Kemball and I have gotten to
know each other a little bit over the last couple
of years. Really interesting story, and we have as you
know in my audience, and now we have thousands and
thousands and thousands of listeners literally all over the world.
We have a range of guests that are very seasoned
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business owners and CEOs, a lot of leaders, and then
we have a lot of folks that listen that will
one day be the leaders of our next generation. So
we kind of cover the gamut. And today I am
really happy to have Campbell on board. He has an
interesting background with his dad being British. His mom originally
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is from Memphis, Tennessee. She traveled all over the world
speaking to hotel owners on motivational sales and customer service topics.
Campbell actually did an internship in New York City at
the Juilliard which is incredibly impressive. He actually is a
very impressive young man, and you're gonna see that and
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sense that and hear that in today's conversation. He actually
decided to attend the School of Business at the University
of South Carolina instead of pursuing an acting career, but
something tells me one day we may see him on Broadway.
He is now over the market in Charleston for now CFO.
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We'll talk a little bit about his business and he
is the MC. I've seen him live as the MC
at one Million Cups in Charge, finished as BA from
the University of South Carolina in twenty fifteen. Again now
he is with now CFO since July of twenty twenty one.
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So with that as the background, Campbell Wiltshire, Welcome to
the Chuck Crumpton Shop.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Chuck, thank you so much, man, I'm so excited to
be here. I love the conversations that you have, keeping
it real and raw and that's always fun in my book.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, that's cool, man. And you know, you shared something
with me that I'm shocked. And I'm shocked because you
are such a gifted speaker. I've seen you on your
feet in your fast You're fast and furious on your feet,
which is a real gift. By the way, I want
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to I want to unpack that as we kind of
get through a conversation. But I've seen you engage with people.
I've seen you put people at all levels in a
very comfortable position. You're great in front of folks. You're
one of those guys. Uh, And I'll stop talking because
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I want you to stay humble. But you're one of
those guys who really has an art to not working
the room from a bad standpoint, but just working the
room to make people feel engaged and involved. And that
is a that's a real gift. And I know part
of your your six years of business experience includes sales,
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project management, and public relations. And I'm not surprised by that.
But what I am surprised by the comment you made
as we came on the air, and that is this
is your first podcast?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
That yeah, it is. Man, I'm breaking breaking the ice here,
diving in head first into the Chuck Crumpton Show. I'm
excited to be here. I'll say this, It's not gonna
be my last, Chuck.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Oh absolutely, Man, Absolutely, Well, that's right. I'm honored that
this is your first one. And again, you know, with
our wide range of listeners and guests, I'm thrilled to
see the next generation and I mean that with all
due respect, the next generation of leadership that will take
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over our companies, run our cities, and our states, and
our government. And you know, just make the next generation
big and better, right, That's what I want for my kids.
I want that one day for my grandchildren. So I
think you represent that new frontier. And I'm honored that
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this is your first podcast, and you're right, this will
lead to many, many, many more. So with all that
as our background and backdrop and foundation, we've heard some
of your accolades. Again, I've seen you live and in motion.
But let's get to the deep end of the poll
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and jump right into it. I think that's the best
way to learn how to swim. Who is the real
Campbell Wiltshire, real.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Campbell wilsh is right here in front of you. We're
gonna have raw conversation on the Chuck Compton Show. Everything
I try and do, Chuck, I try and do as
genuine as possible. I learned at a young age it's
a lot easier to be yourself than to try to
be somebody you're not. And I've been manifesting that realness,
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that rawness, that genuine come to the table is as
wholeheartedly as you can, every single time as possible, because
that's what's hopefully I'm gonna get you the furthest in
the life that you live, and so that's a deep
sage statement of who I am. I love you know, business,
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I love the outdoors, I love music, I love sports.
But yeah, I mean that's that's some of the long winded,
a bridged version.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's good man, that's good. And I can
see and I talk about my son. My son's twenty nine.
And I have said this with my son Charles for
years and years, since he was probably five. He thinks
ahead of the pack. Right, he's twenty nine, he acts
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thirty nine. You know, it probably looks younger than twenty nine,
but his thought processes and his intellectual capabilities and capacities
beyond that of a twenty nine year old. I see
that with you. That the way you treat people, the
way you conduct your life and your business, I see
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you as beyond your age. I don't need to know
how old you are. It doesn't matter in the grand
scheme of things. But my sense in just knowing a
little bit about your background that came from a point
of pain I believe in your life. Can you speak
to that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, I don't know if you'd call it a point
of pain, it's definitely something that's front of mind. Right now.
But my parents are very wise. My dad's seventy three,
my mom's sixty four, and I'm the only one. And
so having parents who were probably one of the more
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older parents out of the parenting group for kids when
I was growing up led me to be maybe a
little more old school in some of my thought processes methodology,
but then being very new school and who I am
as an individual, and so finding some of that balance
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as an individual being old school taught but new school driven.
Wasn't always paying free in the school in years.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, I like that. Having again, we're we're real and
raw here having been I don't know how to say this,
the the giver of a tough time in my life
right as a as a husband and a dad, having
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gone through a divorce. I know your parents went their
separate ways. I can only think the decisions that I
made in my prior life with my ex wife affected
my children, right. It had an impact on their life
and their their now, their businesses and all of that
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kind of stuff. Do you mind that pivotal point in
your life when that event happened and how did it
shape your paradigm?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Oh? Massively, massively. It put into context the power of
relationships in so many different ways. I was, you know, twelve,
thirteen years old, really starting to understand the relationships the
friends that I was having in my life and what
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circles of influence they would be on me as an individual,
and then seeing the power of what good relationships and
good circles of influence can be as I got more
into my middle to later teenage years. So yeah, it was,
it was powerful. I don't think it was ever a
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good time for parents to separate for a kid who's
in the middle of it, right, but not being so
young and being able to take life lessons. Because in
the end, Chuck, it worked out probably for the best.
My parents went their separate ways. They're both happily remarried now,
so you know, there's some beauty there. But I, as
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an individual, learned that their relationship wasn't going to be harmonious.
They tried for the benefit of me for as long
as they could, but then they went their separate ways.
And seeing how they managed that still being civil, being adult,
but understanding the power of relationships at an early age
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was very critical I think out of that.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, well, there are, as you know, a thousand different
ways to kind of say the same message. The bumps
are what we climb on, right. I heard it beautifully
years ago. The roses grow out of the manure. The
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best and most beautiful roses grow out of the manure. Right.
And whether we've been through that, either as a parent
or as a child, I think, I think there's always dysfunction,
And this conversation day is not about dysfunction. The point
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is out of pain comes something beautiful for most of us, right,
And I would I would make that comment both in
life and in business. You know, some of the I've
been in business thirty, you know, plus years or whatever,
and you know some of the best days in business
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is when I drove home thinking how are we going
to make it to the end of the month, right,
Or losing that big sell, that big customer that I
work so hard to get, what do I do next?
Or going to bed not being able to sleep because
of the stress of the of the funnel or the workload,
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or resources failing us, or like today, I had a
technology dispute argument fight over with one of our platforms,
and you know, I just wanted to cuss and throw
stuff against the wall because technology failed me. In that case.
But I think out of pain comes a lot of beautiful,
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beautiful things. So I see that in your life. I
read it in your demeanor. Again, I've seen your gifts
on display. I'm curious, just for fun, you had a
point with your Juilliard experience where you could have gone
in acting, but you chose a business path. Frankly, you're
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a good looking dude. Man, I could see you on
the on the big movie screen or on Broadway. But
why did you choose why business overacting? You had that
that is a gift that I recognize. While the while,
the while, the detour, while the path down business A couple.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Of different reasons, Chuck. The first one was I had
just spent summer in the city, three months living in
the Juilliard Dorm sixty six in Broadway Lincoln Center area,
and at eighteen years old, being from South Carolina through
and through, had been lucky to do some travel. But
three months in the middle of Manhattan, I was kind
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of ready to get back home. Man, not gonna lie uh,
And I couldn't see myself doing sixteen hour days, six
days a week as a grind to hopefully maybe catch
that stardom. Having just got accepted into the southeastern prestigious
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More School of Business at the University of South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Right, So.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
That decision came relatively quickly, come August of twenty eleven
for me to get back down to Columbia and wear
my garnet in black and no regrets. Loved every minute
I was there during a great period and and learned
a lot from those four and a half years in Colombia.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, that's awesome, man. Well, great school out of Darla
Moore School of Business. There have been just champions right,
developed and not birthed, but developed and launched. So it's
a great school and I'll applaud you on that. Why
go into a business with with your type of personality,
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your demeanor again, your skills and your gifts. You went
into a very technical arena in terms of of of
business and finance. I do mergers and acquisitions. I get it. Man, Uh,
it can be it can it can be a grind,
It can be a dogfight, particularly in the areas of finances,
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and you know working with small businesses. Why did you
choose that path? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I think having seen what my mother did with her
own business, starting her own business, growing her own consulting firm.
Seeing my dad do his own business, starting a business,
running that working for different companies, I saw the impacts
that businesses could make when they're done the right way,
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and I saw the freedoms it could give individuals on
a team of accomplishing the same goal. And I've vibed
with that. I wanted to be a part of that,
and so that's what led me to that. Having then
learned that my communications skill was maybe a little bit
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more advantageous for me to hone in on, I went
the PR route and now consider myself doing brick communications
and PR for a larger, more business focused sense.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, do you see, and you're again you lead the
market here in Charleston. For now, CFO will unpack what
you guys do in just a few minutes. I want
to drill down a little further on who you are
because I think as we get to know the folks
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that we listen to, like we get into their heart
and you know, into their soul, it makes listening to
them and what they do a lot more palatable, right
because we feel like and it's interesting, as I said,
we've got we've got listeners all over the world, right,
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we have a ton of international listeners. We have a
ton of people obviously in the US here we're building
a very quickly growing podcast. But I think every everybody
wants to know as they listen to Campbell, they want
to know the why, right, not what you do necessarily,
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but but why you do what you do. And I'm
curious just to take that one step further. What drives you? Right?
Because you're a man full of energy. Again, I've seen
that on display. But what gets you out of bed
in the morning?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Offfee? Uh No, I mean I do have a lot
of energy, Chuck. There's a lot of things that get
me up out of bed in the morning. My family,
the people I surround myself with, the drive to make
a difference in the community that I live in. And
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that last one's probably what all harp on probably for
the longest is my community grows every day and I'm
not confined to a community by a zip code or
a state line. It's an ongoing community that I'm eager
to network and connect with as a deep of a
level as possible. That's what gets me going. I think
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growing that community and making a difference in that community
as much as I can from wherever, and however I can.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, talk Campbell for a moment. You know again, tons
of long term CEOs that listen to, you know, to
the Chuck Crumpton Show, but thousands of people that are
starting their career. Some of them are doing it in art, culture, travel, business, sales, marketing,
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you name it, engineering, accounting. I mean we have a wide,
wide range of audience members for the people that are out,
they're hoofing it. And I was there twenty five years ago. Right,
you get out of bed, you have your KPIs, you
know how many doors you want to knock on, how
many phone calls you want to make? How are you
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going to create your sales funnel? Blah blah blah. Talk
us through and talk to those people that are at
you know, their stage, your stage in life and business
building a business which you are, how do you do?
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Not get out of bed, but how do you how
do you build that? And what advice would you give
that person starting their career because cells which you're in,
you know, you're in a you're in a high tech
sales environment, very technical. You got to be smart to
do it. But talk to that talk to that person
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that may be in your shoes right now?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
What are one hundred percent? I mean, don't let the
real and raw rhetoric fool you. It comes down to
dollars and cents. That balance sheet is massive, massively important.
Whether it's the personal balance sheet or the business balance sheet,
it's massively important the longevity of the career and the
community that you might be trying to serve. So's there's
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definitely an impact that I make day to day with
the organization that I represent called now CFO, and as
a millennial, I can feel good about making the connections
and driving the sales that I'm in. My day to
day role in is providing that high level CFO or
controller to the business that needs it but probably doesn't
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have the two hundred thousand dollars full stock options and
benefit salary that a CFO in this crazy accounting labor
market might need for a business like that. And so
there's some goodwill factor there and something that I can
be passionate about well making the connections and providing those communications.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
For Yeah, would you agree with me my statement? Generally
we deal with just about every industry you know in
our business at all different levels. But I tell our
folks at Bull street, and I'm a believer. I'd like
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to know your opinion on this. Regardless of what we do.
My neighbor owns a m and a firm that sells
accounting practices, right so, and I've got you know, look
at our friend base, they do a little bit of everything.
But my general opinion is that regardless of what industry
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we're in, at whatever we do functionally in that industry,
we are relationship managers at the end of the day.
Would you concur with me? Are we aligned on that statement?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Thousand percent?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Chuck.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I think as humans in a growing age of technology,
the relationships are what's going to be the most impactful.
Doesn't matter at the end of the day. Yeah, what
the resume may be, it's how you go in there
and carry yourself and have the conversations in that interview,
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because that's that's a lot of times, you know, where
the relationship starts and is made and that first impression. Yeah, yeah,
I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, I totally agree, right, the first impressions and then
building that relationship. I can't I can't tell you how
many times my friends and family laugh at me where
I've had dinner meetings for instance, that you know involved
very good wine and bread, right, breaking of bread for
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fellowship and good wine that you know, it could be
four to five hours in length, and business came at
the last fifteen minutes of that four hour you know
event because you know, my client or my prospect wanted
to see the real Chuck Crumpton. They wanted to see
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my trust and credibility, right, because people do business with
people they like and trust. We know that. But it's
interesting that relationship plays such a role, such an important
impactful role, regardless of what we do, if we're a
CEO or we're a sales guy or an engineer and
account or whatever. Building those relationships are just vital, right.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Absolutely connecting with people. Being genuine, being raw, being real,
being yourself as much as you can is really what's
going to catch you further. Yeah, in that ecosystem of business,
I think it's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, well I think we're aligned, my friend, we're aligned
on that, and you guys are providing you know, high
level technical financial resources. Maybe there's a better way to
articulate that mission with now CFO, maybe you know, fractional resources.
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Right that to your point earlier some companies can't afford
that three hundred thousand dollars CFO, but they can afford
a thirty thousand dollars a year fractional CFO. Love the
concept my former life of building a healthcare practice in
regulatory compliance. That's exactly what we did. We would take
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twenty five year veterans from FDA and we would dole
them out on a fractional basis, maybe eight to ten
hours a week, you know, for you know, one hundred
and fifty clients that we had around the world, right,
and they got what they needed without overpaying. So I
believe in that model. And this is not a now
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CFO question, it's a Campbell question. But what's the hardest
part about not that model? Because I believe in the model.
I think you guys do great work. It's a great company,
it's a great model. I believe in the model. But
what's the hardest part for you is you build this
market for this company? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, Now I tell people when I'm out very quickly
that I'm the extrovert for the introverted or maybe too
busy accountant, and so being able to show people and
express the value of our firm from somebody who isn't
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a CPA is probably the hardest part. But the beauty
that I have with my firm is that I've got
the resumes and the individuals behind me that as soon
as they can make that connection themselves, we're ready to
rock and roll. But having a business development person such
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as myself try and make the initial interactions and conversations
and that first relationship step without the person that might
always be performing the work is some of the difficulty there.
But I like to think if I can get somebody
to know I can trust me, they can know I
can trust the firm that I work for and the
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consultants that we bring to the table who I am
qualifying to make sure that they're going to be the
right fit for the engagement right.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And I think when we are in a technical industry,
and you are in a technical industry, you're dealing with
financial experts at a very very high level, and you
know it's a it's a fractional offering, so you're bringing
the solution that best fits their needs and their budget. Again,
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love the model, but you know, I think it's you know,
it's critical to have what I call both caring and competency, right,
you know, we can have in what we do, we
can have a mental rolodex of every financial acronym in
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the world, but if we don't know how to articulate that,
to relate that to the customer, to the end user,
to our client, then we have fallen short. Right, So
competency in caring is so you know, it's so critical.
I was an meeting, and to be real and raw
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on the host side, I was in a meeting a
few weeks ago, and it was an early morning meeting,
which is not my favorite time of day, in full disclosure,
and one of the people it was probably ten or
twelve people in the meeting, and I was doing the presentation,
and one of the people after the presentation ask a
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very technical question that I did not know the answer to,
and all I could say was, I don't know the
answer to that question, but I know somebody that does right.
And sometimes when we're in a technical trade or technical
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industry that's complex, ever changing, like what you're in, what
I'm in doing m and a work we run across,
I don't know the answer, but I know someone that
does right. And I think our clients, if they like
and trust us, they can say and be patient with
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the answer to say, Campbell, that's great, just get back
with me. And if we're honest with high integrity, we're competent,
we're caring, then we can bring the cause of our
dream rolodex that we operate with. We can bring solutions,
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really unlimited solutions if we have that, if we have
curated that relationship to be both competent and caring.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
To use a Southern phrase, if you know a guy
who knows a guy, the world is your oyster.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
That's right, that's right. I want to touch on one
bit in a couple of minutes. We have left one
bit of the conversation that you and I had over
lunch maybe a couple of months ago, and that was
your desire, not in conflict with what you're doing, I
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want to be appropriately clear, but your desire to maybe
go back and pull some of that acting I've seen
you mc which it's not acting because you're real, but
I've seen that on display, splendid display. I might add,
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but is there a point where some of those God
given gifts that you have you want to take in
a different role, maybe it's an adjunct role. What does
that feel like, look like what I'm I'm pulling off
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the top of Campbell's head and I'm getting down into
your heart and into your soul and to your mind.
What looks What does that look like for the future?
And how do you continue to exercise those gifts that
you have obviously been given?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Chuck the accolades from you, man, You need to be
my hype man. Wherever I go, whatever I.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Do, it comes with the key, I will tell you.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
But thank you well. When you said adjunct, I immediately
went to academia. I don't think that's a place I
intend to jump back into anytime soon. But you know,
the stage is fun. I get a little serotonin or
a little dopamine hit when I've got a good audience
that's never met me before and I'm taking on another role.
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Is that something I think I've got the time and
place to sign up for right now? No? Probably not,
But you know I get that at one million cups
right now. I get that at the panel discussions that
I moderate or the fireside as that I'm a part
of in the communities that I serve. So yeah, I
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get that little bit of seratonin or dopamine hit from
those moments now, and I think that's where those god
given talents are called upon the most right now. Is
there you know, a desire for me to do a
Campbell podcast show of sorts down the road? Yeah, probably
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seems almost too trendy for me to follow the bandwagon now,
but I'm gonna get creative on it and figure out
a way to put my own spin on it. We'll see.
The world is ever changing in the world of media.
That was something that I enjoyed, you know, learning about
in college. But yeah, there's there's an aspect of stage
(36:51):
that definitely is still appealing. But I know how time
consuming it is.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, yeah, I can only imagine, having never been on
the acting stage, stumbling into Diehart three years ago in
my life. That's my only acting and I didn't really
want to be there, and I'm pretty sure they didn't
want me there. So I leave that to you, my friend.
You're doing great things, man, and I appreciate your demeanor,
(37:20):
just your energy, your enthusiasm, how you're conducting those relationships.
Final question, Cambell will share and I will let you go,
but just how can we follow you? How can we
track you, stay in touch with you? We'll try not
to stalk you, but we'll keep in touch. How do
we do that?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm this is my first podcast, Chuck,
so I'm not ready for people to swipe up and
link in bio. But you can find me on LinkedIn
Campbell Wiltshire Campbell, just like the soup Wiltshire, just like
Wilshire Boulevard in Hollywood with a cup of tea in
the middle though, And that's the same first name dot
(38:01):
last name at now CFO if you want to reach
out to me directly and find my email there as
well as on LinkedIn. Love to connect, love to grow
my community, see how I can serve them as much
as possible every day.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
That's awesome, man. Well, I appreciate what you're doing, I
appreciate how you're doing it, and I wish you all
the best man and your continued success. It's a it's
been a real pleasure having you on the Chuck Crupt
and Show Campbell. Thanks brother, Hope you have a great week. Man.
Thank you too.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Man, We'll see you soon.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (02:49):
Here's Chuck, Thank you, Julie, and again welcome to another
episode of The Chuck Crumpton Show. I have to tell
you I'd love business. That's where I spend my mine
life every day Monday through Friday and some Saturdays and Sundays.
And I believe that small businesses in America with two
to two hundred employees or so is the engine that
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drives our world economy. The messages you will hear on
The Chuck Crumpton Show are real world business perspectives. I've
been incredibly blessed and fortunate to have built two of
my own companies and sold them both. That started in
the tool shed of my garage. As a matter of fact,
(03:35):
this podcast, four years ago now started in my tool shed.
And I love I embrace conversations that are real and raw.
I am a practitioner of business. This conversation today is
about life and business. It is not about business theory.
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The conversations are real and wrong. At Bull Street Mergers,
we help business owners build and sell remarkable companies. If
we can help you, please reach out to us at
Bullstreet Mergers dot com. Okay, enough of that, let's get
after this. I am really, really happy today to introduce
(04:17):
our guest, Kempbell Wiltshire. Kemball and I have gotten to
know each other a little bit over the last couple
of years. Really interesting story, and we have as you
know in my audience, and now we have thousands and
thousands and thousands of listeners literally all over the world.
We have a range of guests that are very seasoned
(04:42):
business owners and CEOs, a lot of leaders, and then
we have a lot of folks that listen that will
one day be the leaders of our next generation. So
we kind of cover the gamut. And today I am
really happy to have Campbell on board. He has an
interesting background with his dad being British. His mom originally
(05:06):
is from Memphis, Tennessee. She traveled all over the world
speaking to hotel owners on motivational sales and customer service topics.
Campbell actually did an internship in New York City at
the Juilliard which is incredibly impressive. He actually is a
very impressive young man, and you're gonna see that and
(05:28):
sense that and hear that in today's conversation. He actually
decided to attend the School of Business at the University
of South Carolina instead of pursuing an acting career, but
something tells me one day we may see him on Broadway.
He is now over the market in Charleston for now CFO.
(05:50):
We'll talk a little bit about his business and he
is the MC. I've seen him live as the MC
at one Million Cups in Charge, finished as BA from
the University of South Carolina in twenty fifteen. Again now
he is with now CFO since July of twenty twenty one.
(06:11):
So with that as the background, Campbell Wiltshire, Welcome to
the Chuck Crumpton Shop.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Chuck, thank you so much, man, I'm so excited to
be here. I love the conversations that you have, keeping
it real and raw and that's always fun in my book.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, that's cool, man. And you know, you shared something
with me that I'm shocked. And I'm shocked because you
are such a gifted speaker. I've seen you on your
feet in your fast You're fast and furious on your feet,
which is a real gift. By the way, I want
(06:48):
to I want to unpack that as we kind of
get through a conversation. But I've seen you engage with people.
I've seen you put people at all levels in a
very comfortable position. You're great in front of folks. You're
one of those guys. Uh, And I'll stop talking because
(07:09):
I want you to stay humble. But you're one of
those guys who really has an art to not working
the room from a bad standpoint, but just working the
room to make people feel engaged and involved. And that
is a that's a real gift. And I know part
of your your six years of business experience includes sales,
(07:30):
project management, and public relations. And I'm not surprised by that.
But what I am surprised by the comment you made
as we came on the air, and that is this
is your first podcast?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
That yeah, it is. Man, I'm breaking breaking the ice here,
diving in head first into the Chuck Crumpton Show. I'm
excited to be here. I'll say this, It's not gonna
be my last, Chuck.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Oh absolutely, Man, Absolutely, Well, that's right. I'm honored that
this is your first one. And again, you know, with
our wide range of listeners and guests, I'm thrilled to
see the next generation and I mean that with all
due respect, the next generation of leadership that will take
(08:24):
over our companies, run our cities, and our states, and
our government. And you know, just make the next generation
big and better, right, That's what I want for my kids.
I want that one day for my grandchildren. So I
think you represent that new frontier. And I'm honored that
(08:47):
this is your first podcast, and you're right, this will
lead to many, many, many more. So with all that
as our background and backdrop and foundation, we've heard some
of your accolades. Again, I've seen you live and in motion.
But let's get to the deep end of the poll
(09:10):
and jump right into it. I think that's the best
way to learn how to swim. Who is the real
Campbell Wiltshire, real.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Campbell wilsh is right here in front of you. We're
gonna have raw conversation on the Chuck Compton Show. Everything
I try and do, Chuck, I try and do as
genuine as possible. I learned at a young age it's
a lot easier to be yourself than to try to
be somebody you're not. And I've been manifesting that realness,
(09:42):
that rawness, that genuine come to the table is as
wholeheartedly as you can, every single time as possible, because
that's what's hopefully I'm gonna get you the furthest in
the life that you live, and so that's a deep
sage statement of who I am. I love you know, business,
(10:06):
I love the outdoors, I love music, I love sports.
But yeah, I mean that's that's some of the long winded,
a bridged version.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's good man, that's good. And I can
see and I talk about my son. My son's twenty nine.
And I have said this with my son Charles for
years and years, since he was probably five. He thinks
ahead of the pack. Right, he's twenty nine, he acts
(10:39):
thirty nine. You know, it probably looks younger than twenty nine,
but his thought processes and his intellectual capabilities and capacities
beyond that of a twenty nine year old. I see
that with you. That the way you treat people, the
way you conduct your life and your business, I see
(10:59):
you as beyond your age. I don't need to know
how old you are. It doesn't matter in the grand
scheme of things. But my sense in just knowing a
little bit about your background that came from a point
of pain I believe in your life. Can you speak
to that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, I don't know if you'd call it a point
of pain, it's definitely something that's front of mind. Right now.
But my parents are very wise. My dad's seventy three,
my mom's sixty four, and I'm the only one. And
so having parents who were probably one of the more
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older parents out of the parenting group for kids when
I was growing up led me to be maybe a
little more old school in some of my thought processes methodology,
but then being very new school and who I am
as an individual, and so finding some of that balance
(12:01):
as an individual being old school taught but new school driven.
Wasn't always paying free in the school in years.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, I like that. Having again, we're we're real and
raw here having been I don't know how to say this,
the the giver of a tough time in my life
right as a as a husband and a dad, having
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gone through a divorce. I know your parents went their
separate ways. I can only think the decisions that I
made in my prior life with my ex wife affected
my children, right. It had an impact on their life
and their their now, their businesses and all of that
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kind of stuff. Do you mind that pivotal point in
your life when that event happened and how did it
shape your paradigm?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Oh? Massively, massively. It put into context the power of
relationships in so many different ways. I was, you know, twelve,
thirteen years old, really starting to understand the relationships the
friends that I was having in my life and what
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circles of influence they would be on me as an individual,
and then seeing the power of what good relationships and
good circles of influence can be as I got more
into my middle to later teenage years. So yeah, it was,
it was powerful. I don't think it was ever a
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good time for parents to separate for a kid who's
in the middle of it, right, but not being so
young and being able to take life lessons. Because in
the end, Chuck, it worked out probably for the best.
My parents went their separate ways. They're both happily remarried now,
so you know, there's some beauty there. But I, as
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an individual, learned that their relationship wasn't going to be harmonious.
They tried for the benefit of me for as long
as they could, but then they went their separate ways.
And seeing how they managed that still being civil, being adult,
but understanding the power of relationships at an early age
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was very critical I think out of that.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, well, there are, as you know, a thousand different
ways to kind of say the same message. The bumps
are what we climb on, right. I heard it beautifully
years ago. The roses grow out of the manure. The
(14:57):
best and most beautiful roses grow out of the manure. Right.
And whether we've been through that, either as a parent
or as a child, I think, I think there's always dysfunction,
And this conversation day is not about dysfunction. The point
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is out of pain comes something beautiful for most of us, right,
And I would I would make that comment both in
life and in business. You know, some of the I've
been in business thirty, you know, plus years or whatever,
and you know some of the best days in business
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is when I drove home thinking how are we going
to make it to the end of the month, right,
Or losing that big sell, that big customer that I
work so hard to get, what do I do next?
Or going to bed not being able to sleep because
of the stress of the of the funnel or the workload,
(16:02):
or resources failing us, or like today, I had a
technology dispute argument fight over with one of our platforms,
and you know, I just wanted to cuss and throw
stuff against the wall because technology failed me. In that case.
But I think out of pain comes a lot of beautiful,
(16:23):
beautiful things. So I see that in your life. I
read it in your demeanor. Again, I've seen your gifts
on display. I'm curious, just for fun, you had a
point with your Juilliard experience where you could have gone
in acting, but you chose a business path. Frankly, you're
(16:48):
a good looking dude. Man, I could see you on
the on the big movie screen or on Broadway. But
why did you choose why business overacting? You had that
that is a gift that I recognize. While the while,
the while, the detour, while the path down business A couple.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Of different reasons, Chuck. The first one was I had
just spent summer in the city, three months living in
the Juilliard Dorm sixty six in Broadway Lincoln Center area,
and at eighteen years old, being from South Carolina through
and through, had been lucky to do some travel. But
three months in the middle of Manhattan, I was kind
(17:27):
of ready to get back home. Man, not gonna lie uh,
And I couldn't see myself doing sixteen hour days, six
days a week as a grind to hopefully maybe catch
that stardom. Having just got accepted into the southeastern prestigious
(17:48):
More School of Business at the University of South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Right, So.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
That decision came relatively quickly, come August of twenty eleven
for me to get back down to Columbia and wear
my garnet in black and no regrets. Loved every minute
I was there during a great period and and learned
a lot from those four and a half years in Colombia.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, that's awesome, man. Well, great school out of Darla
Moore School of Business. There have been just champions right,
developed and not birthed, but developed and launched. So it's
a great school and I'll applaud you on that. Why
go into a business with with your type of personality,
(18:38):
your demeanor again, your skills and your gifts. You went
into a very technical arena in terms of of of
business and finance. I do mergers and acquisitions. I get it. Man, Uh,
it can be it can it can be a grind,
It can be a dogfight, particularly in the areas of finances,
(19:03):
and you know working with small businesses. Why did you
choose that path? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I think having seen what my mother did with her
own business, starting her own business, growing her own consulting firm.
Seeing my dad do his own business, starting a business,
running that working for different companies, I saw the impacts
that businesses could make when they're done the right way,
(19:31):
and I saw the freedoms it could give individuals on
a team of accomplishing the same goal. And I've vibed
with that. I wanted to be a part of that,
and so that's what led me to that. Having then
learned that my communications skill was maybe a little bit
(19:51):
more advantageous for me to hone in on, I went
the PR route and now consider myself doing brick communications
and PR for a larger, more business focused sense.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, do you see, and you're again you lead the
market here in Charleston. For now, CFO will unpack what
you guys do in just a few minutes. I want
to drill down a little further on who you are
because I think as we get to know the folks
(20:25):
that we listen to, like we get into their heart
and you know, into their soul, it makes listening to
them and what they do a lot more palatable, right
because we feel like and it's interesting, as I said,
we've got we've got listeners all over the world, right,
(20:45):
we have a ton of international listeners. We have a
ton of people obviously in the US here we're building
a very quickly growing podcast. But I think every everybody
wants to know as they listen to Campbell, they want
to know the why, right, not what you do necessarily,
(21:08):
but but why you do what you do. And I'm
curious just to take that one step further. What drives you? Right?
Because you're a man full of energy. Again, I've seen
that on display. But what gets you out of bed
in the morning?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Offfee? Uh No, I mean I do have a lot
of energy, Chuck. There's a lot of things that get
me up out of bed in the morning. My family,
the people I surround myself with, the drive to make
a difference in the community that I live in. And
(21:52):
that last one's probably what all harp on probably for
the longest is my community grows every day and I'm
not confined to a community by a zip code or
a state line. It's an ongoing community that I'm eager
to network and connect with as a deep of a
level as possible. That's what gets me going. I think
(22:19):
growing that community and making a difference in that community
as much as I can from wherever, and however I can.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, talk Campbell for a moment. You know again, tons
of long term CEOs that listen to, you know, to
the Chuck Crumpton Show, but thousands of people that are
starting their career. Some of them are doing it in art, culture, travel, business, sales, marketing,
(22:50):
you name it, engineering, accounting. I mean we have a wide,
wide range of audience members for the people that are out,
they're hoofing it. And I was there twenty five years ago. Right,
you get out of bed, you have your KPIs, you
know how many doors you want to knock on, how
many phone calls you want to make? How are you
(23:12):
going to create your sales funnel? Blah blah blah. Talk
us through and talk to those people that are at
you know, their stage, your stage in life and business
building a business which you are, how do you do?
(23:34):
Not get out of bed, but how do you how
do you build that? And what advice would you give
that person starting their career because cells which you're in,
you know, you're in a you're in a high tech
sales environment, very technical. You got to be smart to
do it. But talk to that talk to that person
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that may be in your shoes right now?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
What are one hundred percent? I mean, don't let the
real and raw rhetoric fool you. It comes down to
dollars and cents. That balance sheet is massive, massively important.
Whether it's the personal balance sheet or the business balance sheet,
it's massively important the longevity of the career and the
community that you might be trying to serve. So's there's
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definitely an impact that I make day to day with
the organization that I represent called now CFO, and as
a millennial, I can feel good about making the connections
and driving the sales that I'm in. My day to
day role in is providing that high level CFO or
controller to the business that needs it but probably doesn't
(24:42):
have the two hundred thousand dollars full stock options and
benefit salary that a CFO in this crazy accounting labor
market might need for a business like that. And so
there's some goodwill factor there and something that I can
be passionate about well making the connections and providing those communications.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
For Yeah, would you agree with me my statement? Generally
we deal with just about every industry you know in
our business at all different levels. But I tell our
folks at Bull street, and I'm a believer. I'd like
(25:23):
to know your opinion on this. Regardless of what we do.
My neighbor owns a m and a firm that sells
accounting practices, right so, and I've got you know, look
at our friend base, they do a little bit of everything.
But my general opinion is that regardless of what industry
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we're in, at whatever we do functionally in that industry,
we are relationship managers at the end of the day.
Would you concur with me? Are we aligned on that statement?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Thousand percent?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Chuck.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I think as humans in a growing age of technology,
the relationships are what's going to be the most impactful.
Doesn't matter at the end of the day. Yeah, what
the resume may be, it's how you go in there
and carry yourself and have the conversations in that interview,
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because that's that's a lot of times, you know, where
the relationship starts and is made and that first impression. Yeah, yeah,
I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, I totally agree, right, the first impressions and then
building that relationship. I can't I can't tell you how
many times my friends and family laugh at me where
I've had dinner meetings for instance, that you know involved
very good wine and bread, right, breaking of bread for
(26:56):
fellowship and good wine that you know, it could be
four to five hours in length, and business came at
the last fifteen minutes of that four hour you know
event because you know, my client or my prospect wanted
to see the real Chuck Crumpton. They wanted to see
(27:21):
my trust and credibility, right, because people do business with
people they like and trust. We know that. But it's
interesting that relationship plays such a role, such an important
impactful role, regardless of what we do, if we're a
CEO or we're a sales guy or an engineer and
account or whatever. Building those relationships are just vital, right.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Absolutely connecting with people. Being genuine, being raw, being real,
being yourself as much as you can is really what's
going to catch you further. Yeah, in that ecosystem of business,
I think it's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, well I think we're aligned, my friend, we're aligned
on that, and you guys are providing you know, high
level technical financial resources. Maybe there's a better way to
articulate that mission with now CFO, maybe you know, fractional resources.
(28:31):
Right that to your point earlier some companies can't afford
that three hundred thousand dollars CFO, but they can afford
a thirty thousand dollars a year fractional CFO. Love the
concept my former life of building a healthcare practice in
regulatory compliance. That's exactly what we did. We would take
(28:52):
twenty five year veterans from FDA and we would dole
them out on a fractional basis, maybe eight to ten
hours a week, you know, for you know, one hundred
and fifty clients that we had around the world, right,
and they got what they needed without overpaying. So I
believe in that model. And this is not a now
(29:17):
CFO question, it's a Campbell question. But what's the hardest
part about not that model? Because I believe in the model.
I think you guys do great work. It's a great company,
it's a great model. I believe in the model. But
what's the hardest part for you is you build this
market for this company? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, Now I tell people when I'm out very quickly
that I'm the extrovert for the introverted or maybe too
busy accountant, and so being able to show people and
express the value of our firm from somebody who isn't
(30:04):
a CPA is probably the hardest part. But the beauty
that I have with my firm is that I've got
the resumes and the individuals behind me that as soon
as they can make that connection themselves, we're ready to
rock and roll. But having a business development person such
(30:25):
as myself try and make the initial interactions and conversations
and that first relationship step without the person that might
always be performing the work is some of the difficulty there.
But I like to think if I can get somebody
to know I can trust me, they can know I
can trust the firm that I work for and the
(30:49):
consultants that we bring to the table who I am
qualifying to make sure that they're going to be the
right fit for the engagement right.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And I think when we are in a technical industry,
and you are in a technical industry, you're dealing with
financial experts at a very very high level, and you
know it's a it's a fractional offering, so you're bringing
the solution that best fits their needs and their budget. Again,
(31:19):
love the model, but you know, I think it's you know,
it's critical to have what I call both caring and competency, right,
you know, we can have in what we do, we
can have a mental rolodex of every financial acronym in
(31:42):
the world, but if we don't know how to articulate that,
to relate that to the customer, to the end user,
to our client, then we have fallen short. Right, So
competency in caring is so you know, it's so critical.
I was an meeting, and to be real and raw
(32:03):
on the host side, I was in a meeting a
few weeks ago, and it was an early morning meeting,
which is not my favorite time of day, in full disclosure,
and one of the people it was probably ten or
twelve people in the meeting, and I was doing the presentation,
and one of the people after the presentation ask a
(32:25):
very technical question that I did not know the answer to,
and all I could say was, I don't know the
answer to that question, but I know somebody that does right.
And sometimes when we're in a technical trade or technical
(32:45):
industry that's complex, ever changing, like what you're in, what
I'm in doing m and a work we run across,
I don't know the answer, but I know someone that
does right. And I think our clients, if they like
and trust us, they can say and be patient with
(33:07):
the answer to say, Campbell, that's great, just get back
with me. And if we're honest with high integrity, we're competent,
we're caring, then we can bring the cause of our
dream rolodex that we operate with. We can bring solutions,
(33:31):
really unlimited solutions if we have that, if we have
curated that relationship to be both competent and caring.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
To use a Southern phrase, if you know a guy
who knows a guy, the world is your oyster.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
That's right, that's right. I want to touch on one
bit in a couple of minutes. We have left one
bit of the conversation that you and I had over
lunch maybe a couple of months ago, and that was
your desire, not in conflict with what you're doing, I
(34:10):
want to be appropriately clear, but your desire to maybe
go back and pull some of that acting I've seen
you mc which it's not acting because you're real, but
I've seen that on display, splendid display. I might add,
(34:31):
but is there a point where some of those God
given gifts that you have you want to take in
a different role, maybe it's an adjunct role. What does
that feel like, look like what I'm I'm pulling off
(34:51):
the top of Campbell's head and I'm getting down into
your heart and into your soul and to your mind.
What looks What does that look like for the future?
And how do you continue to exercise those gifts that
you have obviously been given?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Chuck the accolades from you, man, You need to be
my hype man. Wherever I go, whatever I.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Do, it comes with the key, I will tell you.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
But thank you well. When you said adjunct, I immediately
went to academia. I don't think that's a place I
intend to jump back into anytime soon. But you know,
the stage is fun. I get a little serotonin or
a little dopamine hit when I've got a good audience
that's never met me before and I'm taking on another role.
(35:42):
Is that something I think I've got the time and
place to sign up for right now? No? Probably not,
But you know I get that at one million cups
right now. I get that at the panel discussions that
I moderate or the fireside as that I'm a part
of in the communities that I serve. So yeah, I
(36:04):
get that little bit of seratonin or dopamine hit from
those moments now, and I think that's where those god
given talents are called upon the most right now. Is
there you know, a desire for me to do a
Campbell podcast show of sorts down the road? Yeah, probably
(36:28):
seems almost too trendy for me to follow the bandwagon now,
but I'm gonna get creative on it and figure out
a way to put my own spin on it. We'll see.
The world is ever changing in the world of media.
That was something that I enjoyed, you know, learning about
in college. But yeah, there's there's an aspect of stage
(36:51):
that definitely is still appealing. But I know how time
consuming it is.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, yeah, I can only imagine, having never been on
the acting stage, stumbling into Diehart three years ago in
my life. That's my only acting and I didn't really
want to be there, and I'm pretty sure they didn't
want me there. So I leave that to you, my friend.
You're doing great things, man, and I appreciate your demeanor,
(37:20):
just your energy, your enthusiasm, how you're conducting those relationships.
Final question, Cambell will share and I will let you go,
but just how can we follow you? How can we
track you, stay in touch with you? We'll try not
to stalk you, but we'll keep in touch. How do
we do that?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm this is my first podcast, Chuck,
so I'm not ready for people to swipe up and
link in bio. But you can find me on LinkedIn
Campbell Wiltshire Campbell, just like the soup Wiltshire, just like
Wilshire Boulevard in Hollywood with a cup of tea in
the middle though, And that's the same first name dot
(38:01):
last name at now CFO if you want to reach
out to me directly and find my email there as
well as on LinkedIn. Love to connect, love to grow
my community, see how I can serve them as much
as possible every day.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
That's awesome, man. Well, I appreciate what you're doing, I
appreciate how you're doing it, and I wish you all
the best man and your continued success. It's a it's
been a real pleasure having you on the Chuck Crupt
and Show Campbell. Thanks brother, Hope you have a great week. Man.
Thank you too.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Man, We'll see you soon.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah.
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