EP 438: Do You Have A Dream?

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Welcome to Episode 438 of The Clean Comedy Podcast! This week JD and Seth talk about goals, dreams, and how to proceed with both. It's an eye-opening episode with some big topics and JD reveals some goals for this year!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
get some green. Hey everybody, welcome to the Clean Comedy Podcast.
It's Jad and I'm here with my buddy, Seth Seth Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
How's it going, buddy, Hey, Hi, Hello, we're doing well, doing.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Well, doing great. It's been it's been good. It's good
time it is uh. We're good to be home for
a day or two. Yeah, back and then back on
the grind.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Uh on the grind.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, it's uh man, there is nothing. First of all,
I just want to say, as much as I love
the city of Chicago, I love Chicago. I think it's beautiful,
it's great. I spend a lot of time there when
I was the baby. Uh. I hate I hate O'Hare. Yeah,
I hate the airport.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I think everybody hates that airport.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's the worst airport. No, I take that back, that's
the second worst airport in America. First Denver, Denver. I
have never, never, ever, not been delayed at Denver. Every
time I either have to fly through Denver, fly out
of Denver, fly into Denver, whatever, if Dever is involved,
I'm gonna be delayed. It doesn't matter every time. Sure,

(01:29):
I hate it. Well, I don't hate the people of Denver.
I don't that. Yeah, I don't hate anything. I just
hate the airport. I'm sorry you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
No, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure we all heard him.
He hates everyone that lives in Colorado, in particular Denver.
He hates the denverights. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
No, I just hate to take the airport. But that's
that is the that's the part of travel, travels. It
was funny because as I thought about this week, I
had here's a problem. This last week I had two
projects for client to do at the same time. We
had the kind of a tight week and all of
our driving was like two and a half to three hours,
and so like this, we stayed in South Bend, Indiana,

(02:08):
and then we had a drive everywhere. So when we
were getting back. I was trying to finish projects. I
was trying to do stuff for Zane, I was trying
to do podcast stuff. I was trying to edit clips,
so just almost a lot of stuff. So one night
I had been putting off this project. I sit up
till four in the morning, and then I had to
get back up at like seven doing this project which
I thought was only gonna take me an hour. Sure,

(02:30):
I was wrong. I was way wrong. And actually, and
actually I did one of those things where like things
were compiling. So I was like, I'll just go lay
on the bed for a minute while I compiled, and
I fell asleep, and I was like, oh no, and
it was liked at a certain time. Yeah, So it
was like that. It was the worst night, but you know,
it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, But did you get in You got it done?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I got it done. I got it done. I got
it done. Yeah. I never I don't. I don't ever
fail at stuff that I know that I can control.
If I can control something, I'm not gonna mess with it. Yeah,
and then I did. I have been working on two
new jokes that have been going pretty well. They still
need some work in refinement, obviously, but The great thing
is you're doing in front of the audience is so

(03:10):
you hear feedback immediately of what's working, what's not.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, in real time.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, and so that's been good. And then I talked
to Zane about doing twenty five minute sets, and so
that is something that we can work on. It won't
be a consistent thing. It will be like every show, yeah,
you know, one or two shows per run or something
like that. Try it, let's get the stuff going whatever.
So right now we're at about eighteen minutes eighteen to

(03:38):
twenty minutes somewhere in there for my set. So just
working on new stuff, trying to get it ten.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Hey, not bad, that's great.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah. What about you? What's been going up with you?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
What has been going on with me? I mean, did
we had I returned from Denmark last time we spoke.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
I don't think so. So I went to Denmark. I
was in Denmark for like nine days with my wife
and son and my dad. It was very fun. We
had blast going to see Lego Land and some Viking
museum stuff and then as Christian Anderson things and then
getting back, you know, trying to get back into the
swing of stand up. I mean, it's funny how quickly

(04:19):
it feels like the dust set of like you get
out of it so fast, you know, if you're not
doing it regularly every week or every few nights, you
take a couple of weeks off, you get back up
and you're like, oh, I I don't know, I need
I need at least one or two sets to just

(04:40):
dust off the cobwebs, kind of find myself a little
bit again.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's I mean exactly right. That's the thing
is you can go a week or two weeks and
then you're like, oh, I'm rusty. Like the first show
we did back, it had been like a week and
a half or something like that before we had, you know,
we'd be gone. First show back, both Zane and I
kind of like struggled. It was a weird thing. We're like,

(05:04):
we're like, oh, that was weird. That that was I
didn't really my pacing off a little bit. I kind
of was just like it.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Just yeah, it's just like it's like this muscle that
just seems to be tired, and then you go and
you exercise it. It's like, I don't know if I
really want to do this and it's like one or
two sets that you just kind of have to get
out of the way before it really feels good. Anyway, fascinating.
So that's kind of where I am right now and
trying to get uh, you know, this story of our lives,

(05:36):
just trying to get booked at the next place. So, yeah,
email time and everything else, trying to get that gone.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, I've been reading this book. I like to read books.
I know that you read you read self help books.
I know that you do that, but yeah, I don't
know if you've read this book. It's by a guy
named Dan Martel. It's called Buy Back Your Time, Okay,
And so he talks about what we really have is
like we have. You can have infinite amount of money,

(06:05):
but you never have infinite amount of time. Impossible. So
people who are really happy, people who are really quote
unquote wealthy, they're not buying stuff. They're buying back their time.
They're buying back ways together, time back. So I've been
spending a lot of time learning to edit. I am
not good at editing. I'm not gonna lie to you.
I'm not that good at it. It takes me a

(06:27):
long time to make a two minute clip takes me three,
four or five hours to make it two minute clip.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, So I'm not very happy with it. So I
don't like it. So I saw somebody on Reddit posting
that they have this company that does thumbnails and does
editing or whatever, and I'm gonna try them. I'm gonna
give them a project or two see how it works out.
If it works out, that'll be how I do it.
And then I can be posting clips because we record
almost every show, and then I can pull a clip

(06:54):
from almost every show and then boom, now I have
more clips and I have more stuff, and there you go.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, perfect, No, I think that's good. The book I've
read closest to that idea is called four thousand Weeks Okay,
and I don't remember author, but I can look him
up real fast.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Four thousand Weeks. It sounds like. That sounds like a
really good book, and I like to know more about
what that's about, because that's kind of a cool. Yeah,
that's kind of a cool sounding, isn't it Funny? Like
there's like really cool sounding names for stuff. The other
book that I'm reading right now, there's a guy on YouTube,
Oliver Berkman, Oliver Berkman, Okay, I'm about.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
To check out thinking about just prioritizing your time. So,
like you're talking about it's essentially That's why I said,
it's basically kind of the same idea. This book you're
talking about by Dan is about buying essentially outsourcing what
what you don't specialize in or don't want to devote
time to.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Or what's not going to make your life better. So
like yeah, yeah, yeah, like if you could like or
what you're not good at, but you know needs to
move the ball forward. So if I'm spending five hours
editing what's by time worth and by time's worth one
hundred dollars an hour, and I could pay somebody twenty
five bucks an hour to do it, why would I
not do that? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, it's a simple economics utility to curve utility curve question. Yeah,
four thousand weeks is it kind of goes a step
beyond just what is worth like value wise my time monetarily.
He talks more about like what's going to enrich your life,

(08:27):
that's where you should spend your time, and basically says,
you know, the average lifespan is eighty years, but years
is kind of a tough thing for us to conceptualize
in a bite sized form, whereas weeks is and four
thousand weeks is like kind of a lot and kind
of not all at the same time.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
So because there's fifty two weeks in a year. So
if you start doing the math, it starts you're like ooh, yikes,
and you know, and you know, you go, oh, man,
that week won by faster, all that week went by slow,
and then you're like, that was it. How many of
those weeks do have? Like and how about last you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Like, yeah, it's it's kind of crazy. So it's a
bit of a morbid book. If you're afraid of your mortality,
if you're afraid of thinking about death, this book is
a constant reminder that everything will come to an end
and you have to use your time wisely. And he
does it very unapologetically. You know, he's like this at
the point of the book. It's fascinating. I was also

(09:23):
just realizing my forehead is very shiny right now, and
I don't know how it feel about that.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I like it. I think it looks good.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
The Weeks is a very good book.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
It was.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
It was very good. There are some self help books
out there that give you how to's. His is not
as heavy in the how to. It's more kind of
what to you know, if that makes sense?

Speaker 1 (09:42):
No, I like that. And the other thing that I
started reading. There's a guy on YouTube and you probably
go find a bunch of his shorts. His name is
Simon Squibb. He's a British guy. He goes up to
people and he asks them what is your dream? And
he challenges them like, hey, quit your job, here's somebody.
Quit your job, do your dream? And so he has
a book called What's Your Dream? And I've been I'm trying.
Here's my problem. I've tried to. I don't know if

(10:03):
you know if you have your if you have your
dream written down, your goal or whatever you want to
do written down. Do you have a dream? Do you
what's what's your Do you have a dream? Stut?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, I mean that's a that's such a big question.
I feel like I have a few different dreams and
it depends on what area of my life.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Let's say professional dream. What's your professional dream?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Professional dream would be to get a Netflix special or
two or some you know. I feel like we use
that term, but it's really just a grand distributed special. Yeah,
you know, somebody pays a decent amount of money to
put it and they put it on Amazon, they put

(10:42):
on Hulu, they put on Netflix, one of those big distributors.
Right now, gotcha to have to have a nice body
of work that is out there. Maybe act a little bit,
but mostly just have a nice stand up special or
two that people look at and say, that's that is thoughtful,

(11:04):
that is funny. I like that that that with stands
a little bit the tests of time.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay, that's very.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Non lofty goal like that.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's I mean, that's still a lofty goal. That's that's
not a you know, I was being sorry, what if
you're what if you're so if if money was no object,
time was no object, you could just snap your fingers
and have your dream. That's what it would be. There
would be nothing beyond that. There's not a it's not
like a fulfillment professionally.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, I mean I don't think so, I guess, like
what more I don't I don't know that I want
to be necessarily uber famous, like I I feel like
when my wife and I were talking about me pursuing entertainment.

(11:51):
You know, there's like different levels of fame, right, Yeah,
There's there's pop star fame, which is like crazy level,
right not. I don't think even actors hit like pop
star level of fame. There's just a fanaticism that comes behind,
like Taylor Swift fans that's a whole different level than

(12:12):
you know. Yeah, then like a Tom Cruise fan, you
know what I mean. So there's pop star fame, then
there's like actor fame, and then there's comedian fame and
comedian fame. Like the most famous comedian we can think
of is on a pretty short list, Like it's Jerry Seinfeld,
you know, it's Jim Gaffigan, Bilberg, maybe Napergazi. Right now,

(12:36):
there's Sarah Silverman who has kind of been famous for
a long time. Matt Rife, you know, dare I say
potentially Flash in the Pan Rife.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Through Chris Rock, Chris Kevin Hart.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, But like these people you think about pop star
level fame, like they are they are followed and pursued
by pop arazzi and fans. Actors get a little taste
of that as well, depending on the era, you know,
and what's going on in their life. Comedians don't, you know,
like Jerry Seinfeld, He's not in the news every day.

(13:12):
There's not a whole bunch of stories about him and
his family in People magazine or in National Inquirer. He's
left alone.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Even if he is the most famous, the wealthiest comedian,
Bill Cosby only became famous again after his show because
of the terrible things he'd done.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
So you know, it's like, so my wife and I
were like, that's that's great. That's a good level. It's
some money. People kind of know who you are. Maybe
you get some free stuff here and there, but people
aren't knocking down the house to be like, this is
where you live. I can't believe you're here, that no
one's camping out.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
That's that's a good level. That's a good level of fame.
Jim gaff again, Apergatzi, that's kind of the level of fame.
If I can attain that, that would be a beautiful,
beautiful dream come true.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Right. You make a decent living off of what you do,
you enjoy it, and you get to.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, travel wherever you want, work when you want. I mean,
you know, professionally, what more do you want? What do
you want JD Do you want a monument?

Speaker 1 (14:16):
No, I don't want to want to. I guess the
thing is like I don't know what I want. That's
the weird part is like I feel like I want that, right,
that level of kind of kind of fame and not
fame or whatever. But also I want something sustainable because
I see older comedians that I know struggling to keep going,

(14:37):
to be on the road, to do shows, content to
put out material. It feels like, oh my gosh, that
is the biggest grind ever comedy. The comedy grind doesn't
stop the day that you start doing open mics. Comedy
grind starts and it never It's the hamster wheel of
constantly putting out stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, dude, I was at an open mic last night
and there's a guy. I'm sure you'd recognize him if
you saw him. You might not recognize the name, but
Joe Wong. Do you know Joe Wong. I was at
this like ho Dunk Mike the other night and Joe
Wong shows up, you know, and everyone else is doing
five minutes. He gets ten minutes in one of the
other comics. Like got a little miffed that he was

(15:19):
getting ten minutes. But you know, to your point, this
guy's been on late night and you know, he has
three hundred thousand followers on Instagram and he's like kind
of popping off on TikTok. He's still at an open
mic and like never heard of it bar open mic,
you know. So yeah, it never ends. And that's why

(15:41):
I say acting. I'd like to include some acting in there,
because there's a level of perpetual not necessarily fame, but
like income that can come from that, right, Like, that's
an investment you act in a TV show, that's not
just a paycheck for the show. That's an investment on

(16:03):
fame and ticket sales down the line. You just don't
there's a level of I don't have to work as
hard to sell myself any longer once you've been on
a show or gotten some traction on social media one
way or another. Yeah, I mean, having like, you know,
being able to regularly make, produce and edit my podcast

(16:24):
would be fantastic. That's like my current immediate dream to
try to build an audience there so that the other
stuff kind of falls into place as well. But yeah, yeah,
I mean maybe that's what you need to do on
your next plane ride or drive. Just contemplate what is
your dream? What do you want out of all of

(16:44):
this JD. Because every comic talks about making it, but
every comic's making it is vastly different.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, there's a lot of common threads.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
But my ideal making it is I'm home Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
fly out Thursday, I do show Friday, Saturday, I fly
home Sunday. End of story. I do that every week.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's fine, I mean, okay, so but what kind of shows?
I mean, are you wanting to do? Theaters, clubs, corporates?
Like when you say you fly out Thursday? Is it?

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Is it ideally a mix? Ideally a mix? Maybe maybe
I throw in cruise ships in there. So maybe I've
gone a week or two and that's kind of a
max that I've ever gone. But ideally, yeah, it's I'm
home half of the week and I'm on the road
for the other part of the week. I'm home in
time for Sunday dinner with your family, and we call
it a day. That's that for me, That's that's my dream,

(17:37):
you know, that's ideal. Yeah, And then in the meantime,
those days that I'm home I'm making deals to direct
a TV show, or direct a movie, or create something
else outside of that ecosystem of just stand up like
I want to be. Actually, my ideal of making it
is Judd apatow to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh okay, so a little bit more behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
A little more behind He still does stand up, but
he's he builds. He build a whole thing around around that.
I mean he started as a stand up. He does
stand up, but he also creates hilarious things, movies, TV
shows like that.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
To be honest, some of his didn't. He do Freaks
and Geeks once.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
A Yeah, which is one of my favorites.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, it's an amazing show that I can't believe got canceled.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
It was just too far ahead of its time, I think, honest.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I mean, they should really try to. I don't know
if you can redo it, but like, man, it was
such a good show Freaks and Geeks. I have found
what Judd Apata has created cinematically to be much funnier
than his stand up.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I agree with that. I agree with that, But what
I think is he has the comedic ability to do
both things. Yeah, and that's when.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
He's out there, right, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I mean I.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Or maybe Adam Sandler is a better is a better
example for me. I don't necessarily really want to act,
but I'd love to have like a production company and
make things with my friends and have fun and then
also do stand up and stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean, look, I'm not going to disparage your stand
up with the comment I'm about to make, but I
think Judd Apatow is a fine Like that's a great idol, right,
or a model U level to attain. That's a great path.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Like if jued Appatol said you could go be my
assistant for a year and still do stand up by Like, Bro,
I don't care, Like I don't care how much he
pays me. I mean, yes, maybe a little sit but
not a lot. He doesn't have to pay me six
fingers or anything. If he was like, yeah, dude, I've
got an opening. You could cut work for me. That
means cutting my coffee, drive me to work, whatever, listen,
being on calls. Whatever, Let's go, bro, Let's go to

(19:39):
sit under you and learn what you do and understand
that process. Yeah, let's go one hundred percent. I wish
I could just email him and be like Listen. I
know you probably get a bajillion of these emails people
asking for something. I'm asking could I work for you? Heck, yeah,
I'll work for you for free for a month. If
you hate me, kick me out. If you like me
and I do a good job, me on board, you

(20:00):
don't need to pay me that much.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Look, that's one. That's one level of social media that like,
that's one positive. Just DM him, send him a DM
on Instagram and just be like, Hey, this probably isn't
even Judd, but if you can push this up to him,
let him know that I'm I'm down.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
I mean, I just yeah, I love what he does,
and he just does so many good things that he's.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Like, Yeah, I think that's a great I think that's
a great thing. You know, I think it sounds like
you kind of do know what your goal is. That's
that's your goal.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah. Yeah. The other person that I want to be
like a lot is Kevin Smith. I'm a big Kevin
Smith fan. He was the one that inspired me to
write my first screenplay. He was the person that inspired
me to to kind of start writing things and doing stuff.
And yeah, some people may be like, oh, his movies
aren't that good. But it's like, okay, you can, you
can think whatever you want. But I absolutely love love

(20:54):
Kevin Smith and I'll never It'll never change, You'll never
ever ever change.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah. Yeah, now now Kevin Smith for the uh, I
feel like like I know that name, yeah, but that's
not really what it goes by. Right.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Well, you would know most people will probably know miss
Simon Bob from mc Clerks and ball Rats and Chasing
Amy and Dogma and also and Dogma just had like
a twenty fifth anniversary revival. They've re released it.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
He's streaming it was a great film.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Dog was a great film. I agree. But to be fair,
do you know what my favorite Kevin Smith movie is?
I would have no, I don't know. It's not Clerks.
It's actually one of the most underrated ones.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Hu huh mal Rats Mall Rats is that right?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Walratz is my favorite Kevin Smith movie. It literally is one. Okay,
here's the thing, here's why I spent a lot of
time at the mall as a kid. Uh. Jason Lee
is amazing in that movie. Ben Affleck plays the main
villain in that film. It's great. Stan Lee has a
cameo in that movie. It's a first stan Lee cameo
in any movie ever, uh huh. And it is just

(21:56):
one of the funniest movies ever. And it has one
of the best soundtracks with a Weezer song that you
used to not be able to find anywhere else that
they finally would be released on a different album, no kidding.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Well there you go.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
So I'll nerd out about about ball Rats any day
of the week too. That's one of my favorite time.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Oh, Shannon Doughdry is the main female character. She's She's
amazing in that movie. It's just it's just overall a
great film where like every piece of it. If you're
a nineties kid, you watch that movie, you go, yeah,
that's the mall. That's what happens at the mall. People
are just weird and hang out and do weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
That was it fascinating, fascinating, all right, interesting, And I.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Think that's a great cal Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
So I think'll be Kevin Smith beatre Apatow.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah. I mean. The other thing is that that I
want to build something. I want to build a thing.
But is it am I building courses and content and
things that make help people get better or by building
entertainment because those are two different worlds to build, right, Yes,
that's the other thing is stuck at is by should
I be focusing on my attention on Hey, let's because

(23:05):
I could probably save up about ten thousand dollars and
make a movie. I probably could do that. Sure, I
have friends and people, I have money. I have like
not a lot of money, but I have money that
could save and projects that can work on to build
that money to whatever. I could probably get ten thousand
dollars and make a small, low budget dfilm ala Kevin
Smith makes something. But is that the best use of

(23:25):
my time or is there something better than that? And
so I actually have two movie scripts that I'm working on.
One is I think we talked about this the improv
movie that we talked about, and then I had an
idea since I've been touring a lot more and I'm
thinking about all the people that I have toured with,
I kind of make it. Made it a maglamation of

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a headliner comedian that's touring and then a younger comedian
going on tour with him, someone like me that has
like a family back home and has stuff, but the
other person doesn't have anything going on. They don't have
those things back at home, so their life is the road.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
The clashing of those two people and the two different
world views of one comedian looking at the grind as
being on the road, the other comedian is looking as
I don't want to grind on the road. I want
to build something different and still be a comedian, and
their their butt heads kind of like old school news
school world views clash together and then kind of like

(24:25):
a buddy road trip movie kind of in that way.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah. Well interesting, I mean, yeah, there's a there's a
hint of funny people in that.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yes, yes, but.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
But you know, just speaking of Judd Apatow, but I
don't think he hits on the uh family and values
dynamic quite as hard as you want to.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, I guess. Yeah. So I have the outline written.
I wrote it in a hotel room over two days
or just sitting there and it was like in my brain.
Do you ever have that thing where like it's in
your brain you can't sleep so you have to get
up and write it down.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, it is that thing.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
So I was like, have my computer just I do
the outline doing this like I like that and whatever.
So I have an outline for it, uh, and the
working title is touring Oh nice? All right? Yeah yeah yeah,
So you kind of get a little bit of like,
what is what is really happening there? Are you? Are
you living or are you just touring? Are you doing
this thing? Are you doing? Is life just you know?

(25:26):
Are you actually living life or you just touring through life?
Is you just you know? What is? What is it?
Do you want to be?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Do you want to be home? Or do you want
to be touring? Do you want to be like all
these those different terms for that just kind of in
the in the film, And it is based off of
a couple of of comedians I've toured with, one in particular,
that's that. Uh. I don't know how it's gonna come
across if they know that it's them. I don't know
if the villain the older the older not really as nice.

(25:54):
I don't know if if he'll know that it's him,
but he might see you to go, what the heck?
You know? But if he does, what ever, that's that's
not him.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I mean, it depends on how narcissistic, you know. Sometimes
it like doesn't matter what you write down. People a
narcissist is gonna be like about me, Yes, totally me.
I can't believe that that JD did that to me.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure that if I do get it
made or I do make it, I will get that
response that he'll be like, hey, I would.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Get him to act in it.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
You know, I don't know who I want for the
for the leads, but I want an older comedian. I
want to The cool thing is I know enough comedians
that I could get like people to do cameos kind
of fun, like to like be at a club and
get a cameo from this person, this person, this person,
and then and then uh, you know, and then also

(26:45):
get someone you know, get some scenes like get you
to be in a scene where you're like giving talking
to that up and coming comedy like look, this is
what happened. You know this this will happened to me
on the tour or whatever, like whatever, those kind of
green room conversations that happened and yeah, you know, do
stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
So yeah, I mean it sounds like you want to
make it more of a dramatic film, but you could
try for like a mockumentary kind of Christopher Guest.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
You know, those of them are so hard because there's
a lot of layers that The other movie that I wrote,
the Improv movie, is more of a documentary. It's more
of a very much a Christopher guest film. This is
more of a.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
There's more funny people.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Funny people, yeah, funny people, a little bit of sunshine
that kind of that kind of vibe.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
To it and stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
And the other thing is what more thing happened to me?
So do you know Sam Tripley? Are you aware of
Sam Tripley?

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I am aware of Sam Tripley. I do not know him. Personally.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I love Sam. He's a great person. He's one of
my favorite people. Some people he gets he rubs the
wrong way because he does conspiracy theory podcasts or whatever.
It's like he's a little abrasive. But I love that
about him. That's probably one of my favorite things about
Sam is he won't He doesn't. He doesn't pull punches. Yeah,
he doesn't pull bunches. He does not care. So he
posted a joke. I love the joke. I wrote it.
I wrote back to him like, hey, dude, I love
this show. He's a great joke. I said, Hey, if

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you ever want a clean opener. Let me know, you know,
because I always joke about that because I'm like, we
are complete opposites, and he goes, you know what, dude,
We're gonna make that happen one day. And I was like,
oh my gosh, that was that was the nicest thing
ever bro.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Like.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
So, I think the thing is I am seeing the
fruits of the labor of the work that I'm putting in.
Now I've got to keep pushing forward. And I think
you're right. I think that's the dream, right to be
jut abbit, to be like jud Apptitol, not jut appea
my version of ut what jud appatow is or what
that is? You know what? Then that then that's what
I'm gonna sit down and write today when I get

(28:33):
when I get off of this, I'm gonna go write
my game plan what I want to do because I
thought it was building informational products for comedians. But I
don't feel like that's something that people want or people need.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
I mean, I guess here's what I would Here's how
I would put it is is I think in that way,
you might be putting the cart before the horse. That
is explained, well, like, okay, there are out there that
are doing like here's how to book the road, here's
how to do X, Y and Z. But most people

(29:08):
they're probably are very valuable resources, but they might not
be marketing as well, or marketed as well, or selling
as well, because most people are like, I don't even
know who you are, right, you know, like I feel
like that's kind of the Mike Binder problem, which is

(29:29):
a comic who was very very famous at one time
and then took a long break and knows the business
super well. Yeah, yeah, very nice guy, but the common
people don't know who he is. No one has any
idea who he is.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
You know, it's that crazy. He has an award winning
documentary about the Comedy Store.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, I mean there's there are you know, yes, And
he was like one of the names at the Comedy
Store for a long time in the eighties. So then
no one heard from him in the nineties, in the
early two thousands, and now he's trying to come back,
and you know, it's just like the world is totally
different now. But here's my point, which is Judd Apatow, right, say,

(30:12):
here's how you get it and make it in Hollywood book,
Mike Binder writes the same book, which one. Do you
think people are going to value more jud Apatow. Yeah,
And that's not because either of them is better at
the how too. It's people know who Judd Appatoo is
and they and jud Appatow has been creating things that work.

(30:34):
And so, you know, I just think you can do both.
I don't think it's a binary. I just think that
you have to. You want to make good valuable self
help or you know, promotional products for helping comics great,
But I think I think it's going to serve you
better if you also have a And here's what I've done,

(30:58):
you know, here's here's the proof of what I'm talking
about works, right, And you know, and I don't know
there's any other way to do that other than to
create entertainment, you know, to create some good product that
that then people will like it, you know what I mean?
So yeah, no, I like that all to say, I
don't think you are giving up one goal for another.

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I think you're just timing it out as all.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
I like that. I like that, Well, then you know
what that's That's what I do is sit down and
do it that. The big thing is getting getting more
traction on social media, getting that dry bar, and then
moving forward from there. Those are the two goals that
I'm working towards, and so I have to I have
to get there first. If I can get those two
things going, then all of that, the rest of that

(31:44):
stuff kind of falls into place, you know I'm saying,
and I can kind of not stress as much. Although
here's the thing, Zane has two I don't know, I
don't know how many followers you have on Instagram. Zane
has two hundred thousand followers on Instagram. And still it's
a lot to book and do these gigs and do stuff.
It's a lot of work for him.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Just it's not even Yeah, I don't think anything gets
quote unquote easy until you've got a million followers, you
know what I mean. And even then you're still trying
to do deals and all of that. I don't know
that anything necessarily gets gets easy, but things get easier.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
So, but yeah, I think you have to kind of
create the product now and then and then market it
as best you can and let the audience come to you.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah. Yeah, because what I was gonna do is all that.
Like last year, I spent all of last year just
trying to see if I could book gigs without any
fame and book gigs at pay money, and book gigs
that gut you by myself. And I booked a bunch
of like retirement homes and charity events and school fundraisers,
and they paid good money like I made. You know,

(32:54):
I made about forty five fifty doing those. Yeah, I
mean you came up to bigger's field. Those was one
of the things like those I did by myself. No,
nobody knows me. I'm not known anywhere. And I was
able to do that. I was thinking, and here's the thing,
I didn't even put in that much work to do it.

(33:14):
I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna lie to you.
I called a couple of places and just kind of
snowballed that process. If I've actually been like calling every
week and like really doing it, I think I could
have made six figures doing it last year. Yeah, and
nobody knows me.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Well, you know, I think that's probably a testament to you.
I've talked to other comics who have tried the same
thing and gotten zero response. Oh, I mean, I don't
know why, you know, what's the rhyme or reason any
of this business. Some might be just location. You know,
you're located a little bit outside of La Proper, and

(33:49):
the comics I've talked to have been in La Proper.
It might be an oversaturation problem, it might be a
funding problem. It might be who knows what it is
you know?

Speaker 1 (33:56):
True, that's true.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
But all this to say that, like the self help stuff,
like the the the product that you want to make
for comics, I think is going to be helpful and
in certain pockets more helpful than in other pockets. Yeah,

(34:18):
And and instead of using your time to kind of
bring it back full circle, instead of using your time
to figure out how to make enough helpful products for comics,
you may just want to make some stuff that gets
you out there so that when you make and get
to know different pockets and markets and aspects of the
business a little bit better, then then the helpful products

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you're making for comics will hit harder.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
That makes sense, that one hundred percent makes sense. That
that's a good that's a good way get build my
build my reputation, build my name, build those things, and
the rest of it is easier to follow. And then
I could sell a book, and I could sell a
show that I could sell whatever, and it becomes a
thing like they I forgets he just got his first book.
You know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, arguably one of

(35:04):
the most famous comedians ever and right now you just
got a book.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah right, oh yeah, yeah for sure. But you know,
like he might have been working on that book for
ten twelve years.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Just sitting on his desk or sitting on it as
hard to get.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
But like people don't people don't care, you know what
I mean, until until he's got three four Netflix specials,
a couple of Amazon Prime specials, and then people are like,
we know this guy, what does he have to say
in a book?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I mean Jerry Seinfeld didn't write a book for from
what until like ten years after Seinfeld was out.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
He yeah, I write a book. You just put all
his jokes in there.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, I mean, but all I'm saying, by the.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Way, that's one of my favorite books.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
It's great. But like my point is, I don't think
there's no way he can sell that year five or six.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, that's true, that's true.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
You know, I'm sure that he didn't even try to
pitch it. I'm sure people came to him and were like, hey,
have you ever thought about doing a book. It's like,
I don't want to write a book. I just stand up, well,
why don't you publish that? Okay? Yeah, I feel like
that's the way that conversation went.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
And with writing the book, I could just put my
jokes in there with books.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I don't have anything to say about books. Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
You put a table. People think you're smart. You put
them on a bookshelf. They were like, guy, did you
read the books. I didn't read the books. I just
bought the books. The books make me look like I
read books, but I don't read books. I felt, by
the way, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I mean, it was spot on jays On. I can't believe.
It's like I'm talking to Jerry.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
You're talking to Jerry.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I'm talking to Jerry. Yeah. Anyhow, I think, look great goals,
write them down, make your vision board, get them out there.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
You have a vision I think.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
And then no, I don't have a vision board.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I'm just curious, you said.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I was like yes, and then uh, yeah, you know,
and then steps steps to get it. And then the first
step is to finish out your twenty five minutes. Get
you recorded.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
That is that is, it's coming along. It's getting there.
I know that stuff coming in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Ohio.
I think another one in Indiana, but uh, it's it's
coming up. It's working. Also, i just want to say
to the people of Indiana, you're the world's worst drivers.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Oh boy, oh shade.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I'm gonna throw shade at Indiana.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
It was the They were the worst drivers I've ever
seen in my entire life. I've never I've been at
Massachusetts too aggressive. All of the above, oh interesting and
all at the same time. By the way, like, yeah,
I've got it slow because I want to dress. So, oh,
you're passing me and I'm gonna drive fast. I'm gonna cut
you off because you passed me. I'm like, what is
happening right now? Like what is your what's the what's

(37:56):
the mentality going on here? You have nothing else going on,
you know.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
I've fund always works is following the speed limit. Just
follow the speed dude.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I did that and they hated that too.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, of course, because.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
There's a lot of two lane roads there, Like a
lot of their ways are two way, two lane. So
I'm in the slow lane and there's getting bad at me,
and I'm like, what do you manage? Just go around me?
Like there's that.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, that's the whole point.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Just pass because I always heard that massive people from Massachusetts.
You heard they called they're called massholes.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
They've not heard that.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Okay, a lot of people call the masses. They're supposed
to be the worst. I went to Massachusetts. I did
not experience that. They were very nice. Yeah, there was
one or two people who flew by you or spad
or whatever, but whatever. That's everywhere. But overall, I mean,
not bad drivers Indiana every other.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Person really, in my experience, Utah drivers are bad. Really,
that's where I'm from. Utah drivers have been the worst. Okay,
But I haven't driven in Indiana, so I'll have to.
I'll have to make it out there one day.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
No offense to you guys Indiana, and I still love
a lot of the stuff about your state. But come on, man,
you guys got to learn to drive a little nicer.
There's no reason to be aggressive. You've got nothing going on. Relax. Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
One question I had for you, because you mentioned, you know,
you're doing some new jokes and there were some things
that didn't work. Was there a common theme or thread
to why what didn't work didn't work? Does that question
make sense?

Speaker 1 (39:29):
I think the only commonality was that I was unsure
of the joke when I said it. Ah, so you know,
like if you don't give that confidence when you're telling
a joke or telling a story or whatever, people go,
I don't know, I don't know if I want to
be on board with this, right. It's like that feeling.
So yeah, one joke I had it kind of worked
and then I kind of like got like, I don't know.

(39:50):
In my mind, I was like, I don't know if
this is working. So I kind of like lost the
confidence there and I lost the joke, and then I
did you know, I set way back down this to
it whatever. The other joke worked so well out of
the gate, but then the second time I did it,
I was like, I'm not even worried about it, and
it didn't do as well. You didn't do it, Yeah,
so I was like, oh, I can't. I can't do
that because it's a whole The one joke is about

(40:11):
living with my in laws in my forties, and the
other joke is about low testosterone. How I have low testosterone,
And yeah, it's a fun joke because I go, I
have low testosterone. Uh, I talk about my doctor calling
me whatever, and I go and then these are real.
So if you're wondering, these are real peacups. Nobody gets jealous. Stop,
don't be jealous, you know, and they laugh or whatever.

(40:32):
And I was like, and I didn't even know that
I had an issue until I was doing push ups
and they clapped, So people people laugh or whatever. So
it's it's it's a good joke. It's it'll get there.
I'm building more on it and stuff. The other one's
about being forty living my in laws. That one's a
little more. That one's a little harder because people were like, eh, then,
like just a little weird, you know, But because it's

(40:52):
talking about like now I have a curfew, now I
have chores, now I have an allow once you know, whatever,
and stuff like just try to like really like back
to being a kid and whatever and stuff like that.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, that would still still working a
little bit. The Lotosser joke works really well because it's
part of like my military stuff, like tv I cpapnia
that there's the lotososterone so those are all kind of

(41:13):
fit in the same.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Right, yeah, right, the medical defects.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the medical defects will be correct.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Fascinating. Yeah, I'm always curious about that because there are
some jokes that you do have to I guess you
have to sell every joke you do, but you have
to sell every joke in its own way, right. Some
jokes have to be sold with confidence. Some jokes do
have to be sold with like shy, I don't know

(41:43):
is this yeah? Is this a bad thing that I think?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
You know?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Some jokes, but but you do have to sell every
one of them. You do have to believe in every
one of them before you tell it. You just kind
of have to find out how does this joke want
to be want to be sold?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, and little bit of that because it was the
it was the in law joke that didn't sell as well,
and that's where I lost confidence. Halfway through. I was like, Oh,
this isn't really going how I thought it was gonna go,
And so I kind of like didn't really keep going
yeah and selling it, and then I could tell they
were like, we don't care.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
He don't even like it.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, we don't even like it.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Would I like it?

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, he's exactly right, and so then I did it
and I came back and it did better the next
night and better the next night. It's still not where
I want it to be. It's kind of like one
of those things where I'm like, all right, how do
I get this to where I want it to be?
It's there, like there's it's like seventy percent there, but
it's there. That's a lotus sacer joke about eighty eighty
five percent there. So it's that one's a little more

(42:38):
and that one was easier because it was just like,
I'm gonna make fun of myself.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, I mean I think people are always on board
with self deprecation. Yes, you know, when you are the
butt of the joke, everyone is like, Okay, it's okay
to laugh because this is about him and he's laughing
about it, so it's okay. But yeah, making a joke
about kids or about elderly it's like, for some reason,
I don't know, it's fascinating to me. But it's like

(43:05):
people can be like, I hate, let's I don't know
anything about your in laws, but let's pretend like your
in laws are or you know, just from what you've said,
you're moving back in or you moved back in with
them at some point in your life. It's like, okay,
they're wealthy, and in general people are like, we hate
wealthy people. Yeah, as soon as it's like yeah, and
they're making my life possible. But they are, so everyone's like,

(43:28):
what right you have to complain?

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Right? Yeah? It was that the hard part fascinating to
me the first time. I so the first time I
tried it, the joke was, yeah, I moved back in
my with my in laws and my forties. I know,
I'm white. That's weird, you know, because I look like
generational for white people's that. But it didn't really go
over well. They did not like the I'm white line,
and I was like very I was like, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah, I mean I think it depends on the room
you're selling. You're telling that joke too as well with.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
All white people. By the way, that's the.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Problem right there. Yeah, Like, what's funny to me is
white people are never offended about white people's stuff. They're
offended on behalf of other people that aren't in the room.
It's like they're not even here. Yeah, yeah, you know,
I don't even want to guess at what you guys say,
your kitchen table. This is not that bad.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yeah, you know, exactly right. Then I changed the joke
and I was like, yeah, you know, it's weird moving
in with them, you know, but they're old. They you know,
they need help now, you know, and I'm not going
to help them, so I don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, because you're out.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, I call myself a Ford exchange student, did whatever
and stuff basically like that.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a tough it's a tough dynamic. Like
the white comment would work better in a.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Mixed ra especially if it was like latinos or they
would undred percent get that. They would love that joke
because they get it that multi generational stuff is normal there,
whereas white culture multigenerational living is seeing like, oh, you're
a failure, you have to you live with your in laws,
you live with a bunch of your family or whatever.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Well, I think especially when it's like with it, when
it's in the context of moving back. Yeah, you know,
I was out on my own for a while and
then right I moved back. You know, there is in
white culture and failure there. Yeah, moving back home or
in you know, especially in laws, Like, that's the as
a guy, that's the worst. You're not even living with

(45:27):
your own family, you're living with her family.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Well, I don't think we could all fit in the trailer,
so that's probably why it's better.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Well then, you know, but I'm just thinking all fit
in the double wide seth.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
There's so much judgment that comes into, yeah, into the
jokes when you bring race into it in particular. Yeah, yeah,
but a little very fun. So you're getting close to
the twenty five.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
I'm there. I'm getting there. Yeah, I'm about eighteen to
twenty right now. Once I flesh those two jokes, now
I have you probably are like me. I just have
like jokes on jokes just written in my phone, on
my Google drive, just everywhere. And so it's just a
matter of like what do I wanta, What is the
vibe I'm going for here? What what is gonna fit
with my CURRT material that kills I'm putting an old

(46:14):
joke back into my set. I have one military joke,
and I'm thinking about adding another military joke that I
used to do. H I. Yeah, joke about the old
Navy commerce, the Navy commercial that was the accelerate your
Life commercial. I have this whole bit I don't know,
you've probably never seen, but I had this whole bit
where I do the commercial, the original commercial. So the

(46:35):
commercial is the sound. These are what you see whatever.
That's the opening. It's long. You don't get to all
the lass and I go if But when I was
in from my experience in the Navy, this is how
I would make the commercial. Same music, but then it'll
be you know, bomb bump a guy mopping right and
bomb bomp a guy painting you know whatever, guy guy
cleaning the toilet, and then it would pan out and

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would go It would be all three of those guys
getting yelled at at a big burly chick to chief
and say Navy, never again, volunteer yourself and everyone laughs.
Everyone loves the joke. But it's a long joke to
get to those big payoffs, which always get laughs. But
it's just a long piece. So I used to do
it as I tried as an opener. It didn't always

(47:18):
work because you're not getting last right away. Yeah right,
as a closer, and it would work and I would
get in with applause. Yeah, but again, a long way
to get to the punchline for that one, sure, but
my current closer is a long way to get to
the to the punch lines. Anyways, it's a whole story
about sleep apne I get last at the beginning that
I kind of there's kind of a piece of like

(47:38):
maybe a minute or two where it's not really a
lot of lasts, a couple chuckles, but then the last
part is just laugh laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh laugh.
So it's fine, but yeah, you have to be careful
with jokes like that. You can't go too long without
getting a laugh. Even my opener right now, I'm not
I don't really love because it doesn't get laughs right
out of the gate. It gets laughs later in the joke,

(47:59):
but it sets up who I am, and we're already
off to a good start, so if I can, so,
it's good. It's good joke, but it's something I definitely
need to work on and refine a little more too.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
So yeah, we're there now. It sounds like you're close. Yeah,
last I recall, you know, with Driymar doing twenty five
minutes again, they want twenty to twenty five.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Twenty twenty to twenty.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Five minimum is twenty max is twenty five Okay, so
it sounds like you're really.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Close, this close, this close. I'm gonna shoot for over twenty.
I'm gonna try to shoot for that close to that
twenty five. Yeah, but I'm gonna shoot for over twenty.
And I think if I finish these jokes, I can
put my Navy joke back in. I think I could
probably I'll probably be at twenty one twenty two with that,
because that Navy joke's long, it's good, and people love it.

(48:53):
It's all it alway kills. I think it might be
on my YouTube somewhere, the old the oldest version of it.
Maybe I took it down. I don't remember, but I
used to have it up there, but it always killed.
It was one of my favorite jokes. There was one
thing I wrote being silly as actually came out of
a conversation of somebody asking me why I joined the Navy,
and I told him like, oh, this was the commercial

(49:14):
that was on and that was like, but if I
had to be accurate with the commercial, this is how
I would make it and I'd like to kind of
told them and they laughed, and I was like, oh, okay,
there's something here I can Yeah, that would just happen
to be It's fine. Nice.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
No, I think that's great. You know, it sounds like
you're getting close to kind of major goal number one.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Now, then the part after that is getting the attention
of dry Bar to get them to let me do
a drive bar. That's the hard part.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah, I mean that, that is just honestly, I well
that not only the grind, but like, here's what I've
had to tell myself, and maybe this is the last
point of advice I would have for today's episode, which
is producers like dry Bar, they need content. Yeah, there
is is this common misconception, like I think or just

(50:02):
this attitude within us is comics to be like I
need them, I need drive Bar, and really you don't.
You don't need dry Bar. You can make it yourself
and put it out on your own and potentially make
more money than you will from drive bar. Drive bar
needs you. They are looking for content. They're looking for

(50:24):
content to get more subscribers. They are battling against all
the other streaming services. They are trying to get people,
and their best marketing is actually us because it is
a symbiotic relationship. So it's not even like convincing them
that they need you, like they need you. You just

(50:44):
have to show them I've got it ready to go.
Here it is, yeah, and that's all you're doing. And honestly,
the email that you send out and that you will
have to send out regularly for at least six months
and regularly like twice a month six months, all you're
trying to do is get the eyeballs. So they're like,

(51:05):
oh yeah, okay, great, sign them up.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
You know, yeah, let's get let's let's get it. Let's
get it for this next run or whatever, or this
this spring run or the summer run or whatever. They
I think they do it two times a year, right,
they do like a fall run and then they do
like a speeding.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
To the Yeah, they usually they. I was in there
February March taping, and then they do one I think
like October November, September, October somewhere around there. So I
think they do a fall and then you know early
year like winter tapings. So you just want to get
in on one of those weekends. Email him you know

(51:42):
if you have it by the like he told me.
I think the kind of dates were August. Yeah, there
was one early August and then one in early January,
like January one. So I'm gonna try.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I'm gonna try to get one over this next the
run in Ohio. I'm gonna try to do one of
them in there at least twenty minutes and get that
to him, and then if he comes back, you know,
hopefully it's it's works when me record every show, So
I get that twenty twenty minute set, just make sure
it sounds good, looks good, all that stuff. Don't do

(52:16):
any real weird editing. I'm just gonna keep single camera.
I'm not gonna mess with it. Single camera audio, sounds good,
color looks good. Send that to him and then just
follow up what every two weeks or every month, every
two weeks, every two weeks, every two weeks, okay, Yeah,
And the cool thing is I have you. I have

(52:36):
my buddy Paul, I have my buddy David. I have
a couple of other comedians that I know that could say, hey,
we did Drybar. You know if I if I came
down to it and saying yeah, hey I I would
vouch for you or whatever. You know, I know a
lot of them would say yeah, I don't know if
you would, But I know a lot of that would
It's say, yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, absolutely, so yeah, I mean and I wish you
all the best. I think it's uh, you know, it's
a good experience. They treat you really nicely and the
shows are very fun. When you're there. You get two
tapings and they cobble them together. You know. Yeah, don't
make freak out, just you know, have fun.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Let's pry your thing, all right? Well, thank you, Seth.
Everybody where can we Where can everyone find you?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I gotta update my website. Go to it Seth Lawrencecomedy
dot com. My podcast that I am trying to bring
back after now my travels is self Help Yourself. It's
everywhere you get podcasts. I also do a show the
fourth Saturday of every month at the Glendale Room in Glendale, California,

(53:42):
called TV Sets, So check that out. And that's about it.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Seth Lawn is the fourth Saturday, so it'll be the
twenty eighth, eighth in June. Yeah, I wish I was.
I wish I was, so I wonder if I.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
If Seth T. Lawrence and all the socials.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Can I get on the twenty July twenty sixth show
July do you doing what?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
In July yeah, yes, I have any love bit we're
doing for July.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
But yeah, if you have a spot, let me know.
I'm down, all right, you guys can. Oh. Also, I'm
gonna ask you this real quick before we hop off.
Sane had an idea of adding E to my last name.
So it's JD. Creviststone. Why smart? Not smart? Good? It
sounds different, it sounds strong. I don't know. I don't know.
He was just giving me an idea. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Interesting. I mean, look, if you're just changing your name,
just change it completely. I don't understand. I guess my
thing is, what's the E about? Like? What why the e?

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Crevist Stone, crevistonrest, Yeah, crevist one, that's good.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
I don't know, man, I mean, I'm not a marketing genius,
so I mean idea. My thought is, why, Yeah, unless
you've done something nefarious as JD.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Creviston, you know, I mean probably when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
I don't know what crevistone is gonna do for you.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
It sounds like Sylvester Stellone. I don't know. I mean
maybe I don't know, you know why, I like it
might it might might be a stronger ending to my
name instead of crevistone cb a stone like it sounds
like a little I don't know stone.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I mean, maybe you know I. I guess my thought
is I have no thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
All right, Well, everybody, you can find me at JD.
Creviston no e uh, on Instagram everywhere. Also, I'm doing
a thing. If you come to a show or if
you follow me on Instagram and you shoot me a message,
I'm gonna figure it out. But I will send you
one of these uh fat Fonsie stickers. So follow me

(55:52):
on Instagram if you have it, shoot me a d M,
shoot me a DM with your address. I'll send you
a fat Fonzie sticker. That's what I'm gonna do. So
if you and share with your friends, tell other people
they'll they'll do it. The goal is to break a
thousand before summer is over, before the end of August,
and then the goal after that is to get to
a five thousand as quick as possible, and then after

(56:13):
that it is obviously ten twenty one hundred, two hundred,
five hundred a million whatever, that's the goal. But let's
start with just getting breaking a thousand. Right now, I
think I'm at eight to fifty. If I remember right,
I might to be at eight hundred and fifty followers
on Instagram, which is great because it was lower than
before eight to fifty exactly. So I'm gonna I might

(56:33):
be putting some money behind some of my reels to
get them to like kind of go a little more
viral and see if I can get some followers that way.
So I might do that this week too. Just try
a bunch of different things, see what I can boost,
see what I can to grow, and please like, subscribe,
follow the podcast, share with other people. I think once
we hit an episode five hundred, I'm gonna figure out
where we go from there, because right now it's just

(56:54):
trying to like, what's what is the game plan for this?
What is the movement? What is going forward? Is there
a name change coming? Is there what I'm thinking about
all these things? So don't weird out. You know, we'll
we'll we'll get there and it'll be it'll be it'll
be coming. So there you go. Go check it out,
Go check out seth. Go to Zaneapriy dot com if
you want to see where I'll be at for this year,

(57:14):
because I'm touring with Zane. Go check out Zaane the
Apriy dot com. Go check out Zane on on Instagram,
follow him, come out to our shows again Pennsylvania, and
then we have an Ohio run coming up at the
end of June. Thank you so much everybody. Thank you, Seth,
how we get one Talk to you soon.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
You