EP 448: Lone Star Lance 2 with David Studebaker

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Welcome to Episode 448 of The Clean Comedy Podcast! This week, JD has his best friend and amazingly talented comedian, author, actor, and just all-around amazing human, David Studebaker, on the podcast. 

We talk comedy, the new podcast, and of course, his sequel to the amazing Lone Star Lance book, titled Ronny Bravo. It's a fun podcast with a lot of insight on comedy, writing, and the upcoming podcast rebrand. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
get some green. Hey, everybody, welcome to Clean Comedy Podcast.
This is a is one of the last three episodes
of the podcast. There are three episodes left and then
we get a rebranding. I don't think my guests even
knew that until I just set it right now.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
So give it up for my good friend, amazing comedian author,
just a great guy. Give it up for miss David Studebaker.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
David and one of the original guests of the podcast.
So you know, it's uh, what are we rebanding to
the video? Want to say? Is it is it?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
No? No, no, there's a.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Dirty comedy podcast, the.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Dirty Comedy Podcast. Yeah, exactly right, actually be because it
was Seth Seth Lawrence. Uh, and I came up with
this because Mark Maron is ending his podcast, the WTF Podcast.
I'm gonna rename mine. I'm not kidding. I'm gonna call
it the w t H Podcast and just just steal it.
W TF just go all the way I thought about,

(01:18):
except that I don't own the domain, so I can't.
But if you want to see, uh the background, I can.
I have the new background. You guys will be that.
You'll be the first person to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
What is what? What w t H? What the health?
Like that documentary they did or what is what is that?
What the heck? What the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
What the heck? What the heck? Basically, what the h?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Double hockey sticks?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, look at that?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
That Who is that?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
That's me? That's me? I made uh yeah, I may had. Yeah,
it looks like you at all. It looks like me.
It looks like me.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I literally, if you if you took off J. D.
Crevison and you just showed me, like, who is that?
I was like, did Ron Swanson shave? I don't understand
who is that?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
That's a good picture. I think it's good.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
It doesn't I mean my okay, let me. The meeting
is recording is cutting off.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Let me.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, no, that doesn't look anything like you. That doesn't
look anything like you. I apologize to whoever drew that.
Now I'm going to be a jerk. Now they're gonna
hate me. Whoever drew that. Uh, Jeeves Jeeves, that's not
a real person. Okay, I don't feel bad.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's a but yeah, it's my buddy Jeeves. Yeah, from
made that.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Oh it is it is a a real human. Didn't
do that?

Speaker 1 (02:38):
No good?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Okay, Okay, that guy that doesn't look anything like you,
We're gonna call Connor. We're gonna get Connor involved. We're
gonna get someone involved, a real artist, because that literally
does not look anything. That looks like Paul rudd Ate
too much like, it doesn't look anything like you.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
That's why.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Not only that, like you look thinner than that guy too.
I don't I don't know who that is. It's not you.
Uh and uh. I will jump in the review section
of your of your show. Wow, that was that was
a cool reveal too. Just saw your room. That was
crazy the green screen peel like, what a way to

(03:20):
start the podcast. My goodness, it was. I Yeah, but uh,
as as as your dear friend who loves you. You're
more handsome than that, James. You're selling yourself short.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
That guy.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
That guy more like you.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
That should be do that. Take the fat Phonsie off
of there and do that. Well, I mean you can
have it on that you are, but that looks like you.
That looks like you. That's from a picture that Zane made.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Zane.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Okay, well, zays, Zane's a real professional. Tell tell Zane.
I said, uh, can you need to use that? Okay,
that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
That other one, what's funny is a I used a
picture and made I have four different versions of it.
But I didn't like some of the versions that it made,
just because I didn't like the way that my face looked.
But that was the one where I can buy it.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
You're like, I don't like the way my face actually looks.
To let me have someone else who doesn't look anything
like me.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
No, you're much more handsome than that photo. Sometimes you
can't really visualize ourselves probably, so the Fonsie one is great,
and that looks great. That's funny. That's a great image.
That is the one or something like that. But I
don't know that because the thing is it doesn't look
anything like you, and so I appreciate that. Yeah, it's
you got you can't do that. I'm so glad that

(04:41):
this whole podcast turned into just me giving you a
consultation on branding with that. But that is Yeah, boy.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
I liked that one. That was my That was my
That was my favorite one of the one.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
No. I mean, whoever that guy is that he's great,
but he's.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
So if I the other ones that made you'd be like,
oh my gosh, what is what was it doing? Is
was a drunk?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I mean, if that's the best one, geez.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
To me, it's not the best one.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
The robot and get a human being.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
But my wife did like the one that I thought
looked most like me. She thought it looked too mean,
like so she didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I think, show me the Fat Fonzie again, Show me
Fat Fonzie again, everybody. Yeah, that's great, that's great. That's great. Yeah,
that's great. Do you sell those after shows?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I give away So if you if someone follows me
on Instagram and shows me at a show, I give
them a sticker.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh nice.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, it's easy to do. It's a way way to
get them interact and people you would not believe, so
I did it. So this is how everybody knows you. You know.
We were in Vista, California at Booze Brothers Brewing, great place,
great burgers. By the way, if you guys ever want
to go down there. Did the show. Keep it in
my I always keep it in my pocket. So at
the end of my when I do my last joke,

(05:54):
I sleep appy a joke it always kills. I pulled
that on. I go just one more thing before I
get off stage and introduce you next to me, I
have a sticker if you follow me on Instagram at
j D Creviston, I have a document upfront that you
can come and scan, and you have my QR code.
You can come and follow me on Instagram and I'll
give you one of these stickers. And I people in
the front were like, oh, I want a sticker, and
I'm like, see you have the show scan thing. I'll

(06:16):
give you a sticker. You know, so nice. That's great.
It averages a bit somewhere between five and ten new
followers every show.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's great. Although you need you have to you have
to check again. You know, you got to go back
and look at their follower list. And because they can
just follow then unfollow as soon as they get out
the door. They could I'm kidding, No, they won't do that,
but no, but that's a great idea. That's brilliant, and
that's a great sticker, great image. It's funny. It Also
the thing is that one kind of like I get

(06:44):
what you're trying to do with the with the other one,
the visuals of it to like basically copy Mark Marriteah,
but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
That that it's just not you. You now that he's
not you. It doesn't look funny like it does. That
picture does not scream funny. And even though you're trying
to like, like, you know, mimic Mark Marin, you're not
Mark Marin, Like he's a you know, at times self
loathing kind of you know, artsy rugged kind of comic

(07:20):
and you're a fun, joyful, sweet guy. And so all
that photo just shows is I mean, that guy looks
like a like a like an it guy. Like that
photo looks like a guy where you're like, oh gosh,
I got locked out of my laptop and he comes
over kind of annoyed and he's like, oh, I told you,
Like that's who that guy was on that photo? Okay,

(07:40):
I need yeah, okay. Is that that's a different.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
One, right, that's a different one one?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Is that the one Crystal liked?

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, this is the one.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
I like that one more than the other one. It
still doesn't look like you though.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Like it's it's the most it's the one that looks
the most like me compared to it.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's the one it's it's the one that looks also
the most friendly. But all of them stink. You need
to have something done by a human being. And also, like,
I mean, it's a dangerous game to rebrand because I get,
like the to me, if you guys were going to
do that to me, I think it's more effective as

(08:18):
a like April Fools thing or like a joke or
like an event where you guys do that. You get attention,
you act like that's happening, and you do the image,
and you do that one if you want that crappy
one just to have and then you go back to
you know, the because I mean, you've had it branded

(08:38):
for so long. I mean it's the problem.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
The problem that I keep running into is that I'm
not able to get a lot of guests that I
want to get because they're because of the name of
the podcast, and so it causes the other issues here
With wt H, I can go and talk to people
about whatever, right, because it's what the heck like, whatever
we want to talk about that makes sense, and we
can get into and get into more stuff. I can
get more people. I have an opportunity to possibly get

(09:01):
one of my favorite singers of all time to be
on the podcast. So that's like, it's just a way
for me to rebrand and stuff, you know, or based
on a lot of feedback from people basically, so that's
the only reason.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
That makes sense. That's a good rash now, so you
see how that makes sense. But the face on there
still doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
So it's all good. So the reason that David is
here today is not because I want to surprise it
and tell that the podcast is inting. It's because he
wrote another book. So if you know, he wrote Lone
Star Lance. I raved about it. I loved it. I
got to read the first edition of it. It was amazing.
I love it. And now he wrote a follow up
book called Ronnie Bravo. So tell us a little bit
about that.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, So Ronnie Bravo is it's a sequel to Lone
Star Lance, but I wrote it in a way that
you can read it without reading the previous one and
it won't give away. It'll give away certain things, but
it won't give away a lot from the previous one.
And there's enough to kind of backfill in a natural
way to keep you up because a lot of my

(10:02):
favorite novels, Like there's a novelist named Tim Dorsey who
writes these kind of it's kind of similar style. His
is a little less family friendly than mine, but like
you know there, but it's you know, comedic crime travel,
that kind of a thing. And he's got like twenty
of his but each one, like I started on his series,

(10:24):
I read like the third or fourth book, and I
loved it. I totally got it, and then I went
back and read the others. And I've done that with
quite a few, you know series before the Internet, because
like before the Internet, you don't know to a bookstore
and like you wouldn't know. I was like, oh, that
looks like a cool book, and so I just grab
it and start reading it. And so I wanted to
write it in a way that if like someone sees

(10:46):
Ronnie Bravo, and they want they're just interested in this,
they can read that and then if they like it,
they can go back and do Lone Star Lance. But
also there's a lot if you read Loan Star Lance,
there's a lot of things here you'll be excited about
to see. So essentially this one, Lone Star Lance was
kind of the journey of Lance who going from San

(11:07):
Francisco to Texas. There was a lot of big business intrigue.
There was a lot of mystery, a lot of comedy.
This one, the kind of the funniest character from Lone
Star Lance is now the main character of Ronnie Bravo,
and Lance is still in it. He's still one of
the main characters. But this character is a delusional guy

(11:30):
who thinks he's a comedic genius. He thinks he's a
stand up comedian. And Lone Star Lance ends on a
teaser where he has gone to Hollywood and the kind
of shadowy secret society that was trying to kill Lance
is now after him. So he's now in Hollywood doing
stand up comedy. And I don't want to give away

(11:50):
too much, but it's not going well for him in
Hollywood at all. Everyone, Yeah, so but he's just kind
of he's just such a comedic character and so it's
kind of his journey. But also his ex wife, who
is an assassin who got put in prison for trying
I don't want to give away too much, but she
but she's in I guess it's talked about in this

(12:12):
So it's fine. She tried to kill Lance. She gets
out of prison at the start of Ronnie Bravo and
she wants to kill or get revenge on Ronald. So
and so there's this whole thing. But while in prison,
she had a prison conversion, and so she's got this
like push and pull if she's trying to be this

(12:35):
you know, good upstanding woman of Christ while also desperately
desiring to kill her ex husband. So you have that
pushing pollin a problem, all right, exactly. So you have
that push and pull. But there's a it's a whole
wild journey. There's stuff on cruise ships, there's comedy on

(12:58):
cruise ship scenes. There's also so kind of there's two
main tracks. There's like the Ronald Judith that's his ex
wife track in Hollywood, which Lance gets pulled into. But
also there's the Dallas, Texas track. And in that it's
all about In the cover, there's the mascot for the
football team. He's wearing a football jersey. So there's a

(13:21):
retired star NFL quarterback who This happens a lot where
famous football players will after they retire, right after they
go back to their hometown and they coach their hometown
football team for a season or two and just to
kind of heal and do some good for the community.
So he has retired and has come back to Dallas.

(13:42):
He happens to be Lance's wife, Emmy, who's a private investigator.
Her ex boyfriend who treated her very poorly in college,
and he has a dark past that he's kind of
trying to change his life and get away from, but
he may not be able to get away from that
dark past. So and then intertwined in that, there's stuff

(14:05):
about human trafficking, because that's a big thing, especially in
Texas and the Southwest. And so Emmy she is and
this is a real thing where a lot of private investigators,
so much of what they do now is like just
at a desk on the internet doing stuff like that.
And so and one of the ways they get back,
give give back is they will pro bono investigate human

(14:28):
trafficking rings, right, because there's just not enough money and
resources to really go after that. So there's also a
whole human trafficking element that that she goes into. Uh
and so yeah, so there's and there's lots of there's
there's themes about that. There's themes about comedy, Hollywood at roasts,
Hollywood faith. There's things also in there about that. I

(14:53):
won't I'm not going to say what, but there are
certain through lines maybe based on maybe element that James
and or I have gone through in Hollywood. So and
in comedy, and there's a there's a scene, a comedy
club scene based on James used to host a show.

(15:13):
If you're not an LA person, if you're listening somewhere
else in Valencia at California, there's a show at Jr's
comedy club.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
But it doesn't exist anymore now, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
And it was at a Mime's cafe, as we would
call it a muffin hut. We would jokingly call it
comedy at a muffin hut. And so there's a scene
at that they in it. I don't call it JRS
or Memi's I just call it the Muffin Hut, but
there's a scene based on that, and there's a character
in it, Preston Sterling, who is loosely based on me

(15:48):
as a comedian. If I never kind of got my
life together, got married, had if I was just still
like if I was, you know, a single. It is
selfish but nice, like just you know comedian out there.
Such there's the long, the long preamble, but there's a

(16:08):
lot of juice in this one. And so far early
returns Lone Star Lance. It won some awards, it was
very popular, it sold great, but so far the early
returns is that Ronnie Bravo is people have been enjoying
it even more than Lone Star Lance. Wow, it is.
It's been very I'm very thank you, thank you. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
That's amazing. I mean I would have I mean, yes,
I realized you would get better as a writer as
you go on, but I always thought you were a
great writer anyway, so it didn't really matter. But that
totally makes sense that people would love this as much
or more than Lone Star Lance.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Thanks well, and also Lone Star Lance. You know, there's
some constructions with Lonesus. Part of it is like I
was building the world in Lone Star Lands. Yeah, so
I had to introduce every character. I had to create
the world. So it's like anything like you know, you
watch a TV show, the pilot is always good, but
it's like and Lone Star Lance. I mean, not to

(17:03):
toot my home, but it was very well read reviewed,
people loved it. But you're building a world, and so
like the first quarter of it is just I'm just
trying to your establishing care whereas now like the world
is built and now we're going into other worlds. But
it's like you've already kind of you hit the ground running,
so there's more you can do. But also, I mean,
I spent years writing Ronnie Bravo, and really, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
I was gonna say, how long how long did it
take you to write this one compared to Losar Lance.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, it took me three months to write Lone Star
Lance because it was during COVID. I already had it
was a TV pilot that I didn't make, so I
had a little head start on that in terms of
I had the characters built in and all that. But
it took me five four and a half years to
write Ronnie Bravo I wasn't writing consistently, but like there

(17:55):
was like two years where I wasn't writing it. Part
of that was the audiobook. It hasn't It's on Amazon
and the ebook is out that the hard copy is out,
but the audiobook has been recorded, but it's in production.
But doing the audiobook for Lone Star Lance just it
took up so much time and so that delayed starting

(18:16):
on it. And then we've had a lot of I've
had a lot of life issues with the family, et cetera. So, like,
you know, actually sitting and writing it maybe six months,
but there was a or two year gap between. Like
I wrote the first thirty pages and then took two
years off and then finished it.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
So what is what is your Because I've never written
a book, and I've started many books and just never
finishing because to me, it's more daunting than a screenplay.
A screenplay, I feel like, is not as daunting, but
a book is very daunting. What did you do? You
have a process for writing that that is different than
a screenplay or do you do a similar outlining? Like
what's your process?

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, it's a little different. I and everyone different with writing.
So I always hesitate to like suggest anyone do my
method because I kind of write by ear and so
I've always, ever since I was a little kid, I've
always had like a really insane imagination where like I

(19:16):
can imagine something and it feels like I'm fully there.
And so what I often do, like with the book,
is I kind of know where I want to go.
I know my characters, I know the general direction. But
what I use I just start writing and go into
that world and then I'll just let the story kind

(19:39):
of almost tell itself to me. So I'll kind of
be feeling, Okay, well, where would this naturally go? Where
is this supposed to go? What do I need to
do here? Like so, and that's part of why I
love writing a novel is there aren't the constraints of
screenwriting where I can write a screenplay faster, but you
have you know, you have page counts, you have you

(19:59):
have you have to worry about, Okay, well, what's the budget?
How many see like there's is this going to really
play well on camera? Is this? Whereas with a novel
you can do whatever you want and you can just
go So there was some outlining, so like going into it,
I kind of I had a general idea of the

(20:21):
three main acts. I had a general idea of what
I wanted to do. I had certain scenes and say
the things I want to do. But when I do
a screenplay, yeah, I'm much more regimented. Where I'll do
an entire you know, scene sequence. Now that may veer
off and change as I go along, but you know
it's skeleton. Yeah, much more regimented. Whereas this it's it's

(20:42):
very much like I just kind of go on the
journey and and yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
For someone who wants to write like that, but like
like for me, I will start it. I will start
a book. I'll start writing stuff. I'll maybe even get
one or two chapters in and then I go, this
is garbage and then I stop. Well, for a screenplay,
I never feel that way. I always feel like, oh,
I can go back and fix this. I felt for
some reason, I feel like if I'm writing a book
and I get far in and I don't like it,

(21:10):
now I have to start all over and write everything
to get back there. Yeah, so I might, so I'd
rather scrap it, right, What's is there a way to
go get over that? Is that that's something you've ever
dealt with? That kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
No, well, because everything I write is perfect, James, So no,
I'm kidding. Well, yeah, I think again. I had such
a leg up in this because even though the original
Loan Star Lance TV pilot is like a thirty pay

(21:42):
comedy pilot and it's different than what this ended up being.
I even though I didn't get made, I had enough people.
I wrote it back when I was in college and
a degree in screenwriting, and in the class professors who
had worked in TV, like enough people just who are objective,
who you know, said wow, this is really really good,

(22:06):
said that, so that I knew, okay, like I knew
this first chunk is good. I have to now shift
it and change it a little bit to fit that.
But it was such a blessing and such a head
start because I could go in with the confidence that Okay,
this is good and the foundation is there, and now
I have to write another two hundred pages of other stuff.

(22:28):
But that was there, and so that helped a lot
of not having to really go back. And again it's
like I just for whatever reason and like as I'm
it's like I'm watching this, I'm watching this movie. And
so like I used to work at a video store,
like a locally own video store for years where I

(22:48):
the way we made money, like we were staying in
business even after like Blockbuster and others, like one of
the locations just went out of business a year ago. Woh,
So like one of the ways we stayed The main
way we stayed in business was that the employees we
were all like really kind of good film connoisseurs, and
so people would come in, even though they could get

(23:09):
it digitally or whatever, they wanted to come in and
talk with like myself or Connor. You met my buddy
Connor who actually Connor McCammon, he did the cover for
Ronnie Bravo, And so like they would come in because
we were really good at kind of knowing what people
would like. And so for me, as I'm writing, because
of that and because I've kind of developed that taste,

(23:30):
what I do is I'm almost like watching a movie
as it happens, like I'm and in my brain, I'm
watching a movie. So it's like, if I'm entertained by this,
and if this kind of feels like the crowd pleasers
that I that I'm used to in film, then it'll work.
It's also part of why I decided to write it

(23:51):
in present tents. So you know, some novels it's becoming
more popular to write in present tents. But additionally, most
novels it's past sense. It's you know, Ronald walked down
the street, he saw a bird up ahead that looked nefarious.
Whereas I wrote it in present tense, part of because

(24:11):
I've done so much screenwriting present tense, it's more natural
to me. But also I wanted it to read like
a movie. I wanted it, And also that's why I
do a little more in Ronnie Bravo, a little more
kind of editorializing, a little more flowery. It's a tad
longer than Lone Star Lance, Lone Star Lance. I wanted

(24:33):
to keep it just really tight, just like a movie,
and really but I wanted that immediacy so that it
would feel like a movie, so it would kind of
keep me in my wheelhouse of like Whereas like if
I was trying to write like I don't know, like
something like Chaucer or you know, James Joyce or something
like that, I would have a lot I would struggle more.

(24:54):
I would feel like you feel where if I'm going
on fourteen pages, or like I love Tolkien. I love
Lord of Rings books, I love the movies, but like
if I was like I mean, he did like ninety
pages on just them eating at the shire like things
like that, which I love, but like if it was
something like that, that's not as much in my wheelhouse. So
in that sense, I think I would be more like

(25:15):
questioning did I do? Like should I? Should I make
that shorter? Should you? Whereas like with this, like as
long as this is feeling like an entertaining movie, you know,
I'm not here. There are themes of love and faith
and and you know, and human trafficking, and there are
deep things in it, and there is an emotional punch
at the end. But for the most part, I just

(25:36):
want this book to be a fun escape where people
can just laugh and you know, just have fun, you know,
and anyone, anyone can watch, no matter who you are,
no matter what your background is, what you believe, you
can read this and just have fun. And that's the
cool thing to Long Star Lance, where the nice thing
with Ronnie Bravo is I've had the experience also with

(25:59):
Lone Star Lance where the people did really enjoy it.
The objectively, the reviews were good, so I kind of know, Okay,
if I just hit that temperature, if I just get
that and I've been really one of the things that's
made me the happiest of Loan Storlance is there are
a few things in this world where like people on
opposite ends of spectrums can enjoy. And I've had, for

(26:20):
Loan star Lance the most conservative rural person you can
imagine say how much they love it, and I've had
the most liberal, you know, left wing San Francisco person
you can imagine, both say they love it. And that
was my goal. That was my goal for it. Thank you.

(26:41):
That was my goal because I loved I come from
like that's how I came up. Is like I always
wanted to do things comedy, movies, everything that everyone can enjoy.
And I get the purpose for doing harder edge things
that are more polarizing, and there's there's a purpose for
those things. But just who I am and me personally,

(27:01):
I like to gather people in and so yeah, so
that's kind of I have the template there, and so
it makes it easier. So to long story, long answer
your question. It is really hard, you know, like within
your position or anyone's position, if you don't have that
head start that I have and or if you're not

(27:21):
doing that, then that's tough. But my advice to you
would be I would follow what I did, since you're
such a great screenwriter and that's how you make money
is follow that mold. Follow the mold of like feel
like you're writing a screenplay because you just said it's
easier for you to do that.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Dude, I can sit down it and write a screenplay
no problem, because like you said, I'm seeing it in
my mind, I'm watching the movie and I'm just going right.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
And that's what I would do, and write it in
present tense, and I think that will really help you.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I never thought about that. I think that might be
the part of that's messing me up, as you're having
to write it in a past tense where I'm so
used to writing it the present tense in the screenplay.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
And also when you're in the trick with present past
tense too, is then you have to get into the
whole decision making about who the narrator is. Yes, you do,
first person, third person, omniscient, non omniscient, reliable, not reliable.
It adds a whole Now again, if you get it right,
if you do it well, it's amazing. It's even better

(28:22):
and in some ways a lot better than past tense,
I mean present tense, because there's so much you can do.
It's so complex, but with but it's such just that
decision alone, just deciding who the narrator is and how
they're going to do it can make or break the
book right there. And then if you get into writing
it and you're like, ooh, I don't know if third

(28:43):
person omniscient really is the right thing, now, you do
have to go back. I mean, and then if you're
trying to switch from present past to present, then you
have to change every single word so that, I think,
for your sake. Unless it's something you really feel strongly
about doing past tense, if you're just trying to get
this done, go present tense. Do it just like like

(29:05):
I said, just watch the movie in your brain as
you write. Also, and not that I'm not I never
smoke weed. I do do a gummy to sleep once,
and something that happened I don't I don't recommend for everyone.
Something that happened with Ronnie Bravo is one of the
night's I took a gummy because I was like, I'm

(29:25):
gonna go to sleep, and I was like, you just
takes about forty five minutes to kick in, So let
me just there was that one page. I just want
to knock out that one page. So I start writing
and I get in a groove and suddenly the feet
start tingling and I get and suddenly the writer's block.
I hit a spot in the script. I just I
did not know what to do. And I'm telling you

(29:47):
that whatever that weed gummy, the whole world opened up
to me and I and I got past that writer's
block and it was like the last hundred It was
like maybe had one hundred pages left, and it saved
the book. So so I don't recommend it for everyone.
I don't do drugs, kids, I don't. I don't do
it recreationally, but but I did discover that where I

(30:11):
was like, uh, now, granted a lot of typos when
you do it.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
That way, gotta do a lot of editing afterwards.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Because that night I ended up staying up like to
like three am. I was like on that coming for
like three four hours as I was doing it. And so, yeah,
that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I think for I think for me, if I was
gonna do it now. I guess I probably would outline
it in the same way I would outline the script,
and then maybe I would just talk it out or
maybe I don't know. I'm gonna I'm gonna figure this
out because I have the problem that I keep running
into is you make a funny book. You make a
book that's very funny, but has you know, the undertones
of a detective novel or action kind of like novel

(30:53):
like that, yeah, whereas I want to write like a
actiony thing but not comedic. There's no comedy in there,
be like maybe my main character is a little dead
poolish in that way, but besides that, it's not really funny.
There's not really And I'm like, well, how do I
deal with both of those versions? You know, because that's
not what people see when they see me, or that's

(31:13):
not what they think when they think me not thinking.
I really am like a big sci fi cyber pump
like that kind of person. So that's what I like
to read in my spare time, you know. Like my
favorite novel by Tom Clancy is Rainbow Six. I don't
know if you ever read that novel. It's a very
heavy novel. It's a very heavy novel. It's a very
action packed, it's very violent. And then you know his

(31:36):
second one is not forgot. It's like the one where
John Clark turns becomes John Clark and he gets revenge
for his girlfriend getting murdered, so he like dresses up
as a hobo. It's like one of my favorite favorite
of the Tom Pancy books. I can't write that. If
you look at me, you're not gonna be like, no,
that guy, Yeah, he's writing Tom Clancy or sci fi

(31:57):
or whatever. He's not writing. You're not writing. Maybe I
could write something like The Martian, but I'm not smart
enough to write that. But you know something, something in
that vein there's something now well.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
You know, uh, not to get too deep under the
hood here, but I think that with your writing, I
think you need the same I think you need the
same intervention I did with your comedy with your writing,
where I said, you know you're great, and you you
should proceed with confidence and do and and I think
that you're cutting yourself off at the legs by saying, well,

(32:29):
I could never write. You know like that. You don't
have to, because if you just write something you enjoy
and you like it, odds are other someone out there
is going to enjoy it, and and it's it doesn't
have to be Tom Clancy because they don't. They're not
buying it from Tom Clancy. They're buying it from you,
and especially after shows, like if you sell it after

(32:49):
shows like I've had. I literally there's reviews on Amazon
for Lone Star Lance where like people like, yeah, you know,
I just liked his comedy. So I didn't really have
much belief in the book, but I just got it
because the cover was cool and he was I enjoyed
his comedy. I actually enjoyed the book, and then they
wrote a nice review on Amazon. So so the thing
is like if you're especially if you're selling after shows,

(33:10):
like if they're they're buying it because they've enjoyed your comedy.
They like you, and so it's fun for them just
to get a window into like your world and what
you're into. And so if you keep it consistent with
who you are, don't try to like just write something
that you would have fun reading. Yeah, and if you

(33:32):
feel if you feel good about that, and and then
that doesn't matter, and don't don't go. Don't cut yourself
off and be like ah, you know, well this I mean,
unless it really sucks. If what you've written actually genuinely sucks,
then to me it sucks.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
But you're your harshest critic. You're your own harshest critics,
So that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
And the point is the point is if you actually
genuinely are entertained by it, and if this is in
your genre that you like and you you are, it's
something that's easy for you to write. Like for me,
this this style my style, kind of comedic mystery sort
of thing, like that's just my I love that kind

(34:10):
of family dynamics, like kind of sweet mystery humor with
a little darkness. That's like, that's my thing. If I
had to, if I had to write some really dark
horror thing, I would I would suck. I wouldn't be
able to do that, and it would not be fun
for me. I wouldn't enjoy it. And so I think
that that's the thing is like if you're having fun

(34:32):
and if you're as you're writing it, like for me,
as I was I'm writing Aroundie Brava, I'm like kind
of laughing and having fun and ooh, this is kind
of cool. So if if you're having fun, writing it
and then then great, you know, and of course then
you can tweak things and you know you're I mean,
your Crystal has a degree in English and you know

(34:53):
you can. So that's you know, but I definitely think
that proceeding with confidence and proceeding with like, don't you
don't have to be perfect, don't beat yourself up. Just
write something you find entertaining. And if some people, I
mean especially if you go with them more, if you
go like mine's more broad, you know, like anyone could

(35:14):
read mine. But if you're going with a more specific
genre like that, you're just mostly a lot of times
you're just gonna get fans of that genre anyways. So
now you're getting people who are already kind of like you.
Like if you let's do it this way. If you
went to a comedy show and you saw a comedian
who you really liked, and on stage they're like, oh, yeah,

(35:36):
I wrote this kind of it's not really funny, but
it's kind of a dark sci fi thriller, kind of
crazy book, and I'll be selling it after the show.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
What would you say, Yeah, I'll check it out.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, you check it out. You'll be like, well, I
like this comedian. That's kind of cool. It's different. He's
doing that. Yeah, let's check it out. And then you're
already predisposed to liking that genre, so and you've already
warned people so or not where you would get into
trouble potentially, as if it's like you branded, hey, this
is a really funny book, which actually takes some of
the pressure off too, because it's actually more pressure for

(36:09):
me as a comedian with a comedic book, because it's
hard to make people laugh on the page, and so
that's more pressure because they're going in expecting, hey, this
better be funny, whereas for you, it's like, as long
as it's entertaining you, you're fine.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah. Yeah. The other idea I had was you ever
read the Diary of Whippy Kid books? Have you read those?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I saw them one of the first movie I believe
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
I've read every single one of those. And having a
history of your degree, they always make me think of
middle school is the worst for everybody. But what if
it was like, you know, to tech common in middle school, right,
and he had to talk about that and it was
like his life that way, and you do like famous
historical figures in middle school and then you're tying it
into like what they become later on. But I think

(36:53):
it would just be that's a funny series that I've
thought of. I just don't know how to well.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
And that's that's one element for you that to canter
even though that's a lot of work, but is because
you do have a master's in history degree in history, which.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Would bachelor's masters in history.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
So you're a you have a lot of historical knowledge.
To me, when you can do historical fiction if you
can actually pull that off, which is hard, but if
you already have the thing is, if you already have
a lot of knowledge baked in, it doesn't require the
same level of research as someone who wants to write

(37:30):
historical fiction but is like I don't I don't know
anything about King tut but let me spend six years
researching it. But if you like, if there's a historical
time where or a group or person that you're already
kind of an expert in, you might want to think
about maybe some sort of historical or even like you

(37:54):
could create some sort of sci fi steampunk historical fiction
kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I thought about that too. Yeah, Well, the United States
are different where we win, but we're a different nation
because of it, and we had to invent things to
be able to beat Britain. We didn't breed them by
just the way we did. We had to invent machines
to help us win the war of the Revolutionary War.
So we got to the steam era faster than we
than we were going to before, and we built other

(38:23):
things out because you know, they had boats during the
Confederate that the Confederate Army had that were armored ships
that ran off of steam engines that they used to
go up, you know, and attack the Union. And then
the Union had to build these giant metal ships and
that's where we kind of ended up getting now some
of the designs for submarines and other things like that afterwards.
And there was also submarines developed during that time period

(38:45):
as well. So yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
See, there you go, and that's that's a lane where
you have that lane where now it's it's tougher when
you have such broad things, when you're making kind of
the focused like broad technology, that's a little tough because
it's it's always better when you can center it around
a person and or a group or whatever. But so

(39:08):
that that's a bigger task. I mean, if you can
make it work, it's great. But but if you if
you then took something like that and then placed a
character in the midst of that. But but again that
that can take some some explaining. That's difficult, you know,

(39:28):
but I mean it can work. I mean, like there's
if you take like a fictional person and then you
put them in the world where they're interacting with famous figures.
That's always a huge, huge crowd pleaser and an easy
sell where you know they Whereas when it's more broad

(39:50):
about just technology and things like that, that's a it takes
more expect because what you want is, especially as a comedian,
you want to be able to be something where it's
like really fat asked on stage where you can kind
of put a joke to it and you know, get
that across. But something like that, again leveraging your expertise

(40:11):
and knowledge and having that like I didn't know that,
I didn't know they had submarines in the Civil.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
War era, like well first was created like the early
eighteen hundreds, so yeah, I mean they were just I didn't.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I didn't know. But that's cool when you can do
that where the general public doesn't know something, and you're
lacing that into the book. Now you're kind of like,
you know, it's kind of like, I mean, go with
Ronnie Bravo. There's things that we know about Hollywood that
we've experienced, the underbelly and other things like that that
I can put into the book where your average person

(40:42):
is like, wow, is that really how it is? Or
like that, like you know what I'm saying, like and
kind of jump into this world that they didn't know about,
that we know about that, you know. And so that's
where you have that ability. It's a real it's a
real leg up.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah. I mean, as I think about it, it's one
of those things where I need to go kind of
like pick my lane and do it and stuff. And
I have a half written script that I also probably
could use where a comedian is using he used he
gets a loan for the mob to shoot his comedy special,
but then everything falls apart and now they're all looking

(41:18):
for him. I thought it better as a movie because
it'd be fun to run throughout LA and see all
the stuff in LA. Right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Here's the thing that's a brilliant idea. I love it
see right there, boom you just that was that was
one sentence I'm in like if you're on the stage
at a comedy show and it does intertwine with comedy,
because it is a lot easier sell when you could
like like you know, when you can include because they're
already at a comedy show, they're already interested in comedy.

(41:47):
So and the thing is the reason why I say,
I get what you're saying about like wanting to be
a a script and movie, but you can always adapt
the book into a movie. And if a book sells
really well, it's easier to get the movie made. Yeah,
So I mean that right there is that's funny and

(42:09):
a great premise and and you know, yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, that's the one. Maybe that's what I work on,
because that does seem like the way to go where
it would be easier to sell to other people, especially
at a comedy show, or other people be saying, oh, yeah,
he's a comedian. It makes sense you'd write a book
about a comedian who owes money to the mob while
trying to film his stand up special. You know, yeah,
and just like all the terrible things that happen and
whatever I think that's a great one, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, it's brilliant. That's brilliant. There you go, and then
that's easy to write. And then that's just a lot.
And then the thing is because you don't have to
do like a series, because that to me seems much
more like a standalone.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Stand alone book thing.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
And then that you do that one because it's easy
for you. Then when you're done with that, then it's like, okay,
now let's take a crack at some historical fiction. Yeah,
you know all that.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
So, by the way, if you want to get in vaudeville,
which actually loves it, looks like you have a broad.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
So that's what I say. If you're watching on YouTube,
I feel like, can we can you do this? Can you?
You know podcasts they will cut like a portion of
the podcast and put it at the beginning. Can you
maybe put this at the beginning?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
So, these are not too large black nipples on my shirt,
which it looks like because of how I'm sitting Ronnie
Bravo behind me by now on Amazon my new book.
But these are not two black nipples, but these are
our mickey ears on his shirt. Oh oh, I disappeared, Okay,

(43:44):
on his shirt that says daddy.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Which actually is a little creper. That's reason.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
The reason why I wore it is at the time,
not if you just have no out of context that
James bought me a shirt with Mickey ears that says
daddy on it, that that seems like, okay, maybe there's
some questions about David and James's relationship. When you understand
that he also bought one for my wife that says

(44:12):
mommy and for my son that says Matthew on it,
then it makes more sense. But when I wear this
just alone, which I don't do often because it definitely
has some creep to it. But yeah, so I wanted
to wear this because this is from years ago and
I'm back on the now defunct Disney Tonight Show podcast

(44:33):
that we hosted together, I wore this and it was
a whole running joke of making James call me daddy.
So yeah, if you want to cut that and put
that in the beginning, or we can just have people
be questioning are those two big black nipples on David's
chest through the entire podcast and then do the real
veal at the end. Whichever way, maybe do that because

(44:54):
maybe people just like it on YouTube. Yeah, maybe they'll
be comment that'll get some comments on YouTube. There mused
to be a laundry list of YouTube comments of what
is on his shirt. It looks like you know those
cups you know where they.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Was like, oh that was like it looked like a
thing like a ladies rather like kind of lift up
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Oh yeah, or it could be yeah, oh yeah, there was.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
A little man whatever. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah yeah. So that's so yeah, that does look like that.
It looks like I have a T shirt underneath one
of those leather Yeah, that's really that's great.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
That's the first thing I thought. I was like, it
looks like that.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
I don't know, I don't know which one would be
creepier if we just out of context said James calls
me daddy, or I'm wearing a gray T shirt underneath
a leather.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
That's the that's the most Uh, what's the word I
want to use? You're wearing your shirt on over it,
so you're you know, you're being humble, You're being you know,
what's the word I wanted? Modest? You're being modesty instead
of just letting your good.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
I'm wearing a modest Dominatrix out.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
That's uh, the modest dominate tricks, dude, would be so funny.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
All right, you know what clip clip that clip that
put that on. You can clip that just that little
section of us talking about this shirt. You can put
that on ig reels and TikTok and YouTube shorts. There
we go, that's the that'll be Oh there it is there,
it is Ronnie Bravo. Ronnie, where can you go? I know

(46:28):
where can people find it? Where can people buy it?
Is it through your website?

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, I forget Yeah, so you can get it on Amazon,
ebook and hard copy. You can also go to my
website David Studebaker dot com. If you want a signed
copy for the same price as you that you would
get it on Amazon. You can go on there. Just
click on shop. It's right at the top. Click on
shop and you can get a signed copy of Ronnie
Bravo or Lone Star Lancer both.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
So I have a signed copy of I have a
signed copy of Love Star Lance.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
But you have assigned copy coming your way of Ronnie Bravo.
We just together, we just have to get together.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
There you go. We have we resposed to this, or.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I could ship it to you, but I also have
a jar of honey act to give you.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Well, we'll meet up. We're supposed to go to like
Disney or something downside Disney or something anyway, so it's fine. Yeah,
it is awesome. Well that's awesome. You guys, go buy
David's book. If you haven't bought Low Star Lance, go
buy that. It's literally one of my favorite books. You
probably heard me talk about it a million times, actually
love it. I have not read Ronnie Bravo, but I know,
based on Lone Star Lance that this is gonna be
an amazing book because David's never let me down before,

(47:31):
and I'm very excited for this. So go check it out.
Go to Amazon or David's website David Superbaker dot com.
Go get the book, support that, or if you're at
one of his shows, go to David super Baker dot com.
You have your dates on there on your site.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I do and and and if you like audiobooks, Lone
Star Lance is on Audible and I did the narration
and my and.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
My wife loves it. By the way, my wife likes
still audiobooks. She's waiting for Ronnie Bravo the audiobook and.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Then in about seventeen years, when my sons graduate high school,
we'll have that one out.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
She said to me. She goes, she goes, Wow, I'm
not gonna read the book, but when he does audio book,
then I'll listen. And I was like, I was like,
just read the book. She's like, no, I like when
he reads it.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
And I was like, hey, I'm honored she wants me
to read it. Reader to sleep at night, you know,
just whisper sweet, nothing's in her ear.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
She probably listened. I think she was too. Why she's
in the gym and working out, and I'm like, oh,
there you go listen to a book I'm working I
like that getting.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Her pumped up in that gym.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
That's awesome to get that that last mile on the
treadmill with the I needed I need to. I already
recorded an audio book for Ronny Brov. I already did it,
but I should have done it in more like motivational tones.
He walks down the street. He's going to, you've got this, Crystal,
You've got it.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Awesome. Well, thank you David so much for being here.
Thank you everybody for listening. Don't forget new podcasts coming
it's actually two podcasts coming. I lie to you guys,
but there's two podcasts. So there is w t H.
It is coming, and then there is the Funny Money podcast,
which would be a monthly podcast that goes over ways
for you to make money as can such as writing books, screenplays,
I am I just wrote a speech for somebody, and
do that all those things. There's plenty of ways to

(49:07):
make money as a comedian.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I can do an episode really quick. A great way
to make money as a comedian is quit and do
something else for money. That's one of the ways. That's
one of the ways that I can do an episode
and go over that if you want.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
But we don't want people to quit. We don't want
people to the.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I want people I want people to quit. You you're
very encouraging.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
You're very nice, and I have very encouraging because I
love comedy and I love meeting new comedians and I
love seeing new things happening. So look and if they
get enough money, they could buy something cool like the
Annabel doll, you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
And the feed is the is the w H with
some guy on the cover I don't recognize? Is he
is that going to be on the same feed. Are
you keeping your RSS feed or is that feed?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
I don't know. I think it might be a new
feed because I think I want to leave the Cree
Comedy podcast by itself. But I don't know. I don't know.
I I want figure that out yet.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
You want to keep your feed, baby, you want to
keep your feed? Yeah, if you're still if you're still
interviewing comedians, you don't want to lose your feed. You
work so hard for that feed. Yeah, and you have
listeners you want to keep. I mean, you probably may
want to do it maybe a different YouTube. You can
start a new YouTube channel. Maybe, But even then that happens.
People change the name of podcasts and they still keep

(50:21):
the feed. You don't want to lose the feed. You
need the feed, You work the feed. Don't lose the feed,
all right, right, you won't with a feed? Well, well
it will be a second feed though for funny money,
so that yeah, that can be an adjunct.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
But get excited, you guys. I'm very excited. And also
shout out to Ben Walker for a message you mean
and saying, hey, I don't want I don't want there
to not be something like the Queen Comedy Podcast I
want something like funny Money. So because of him there
it will be a monthly Funny Money and then a
weekly wh and W is gonna open the doors again?
I said, I get. I'm going to get to interview
people that are not necessary comedians, but that I respect

(50:54):
and love. And I think that's kind of the direction.
I want to go a little more and be able
to make that stuff. So yeah, sense perfect, talk to
you guys soon. Thank you so much for listening to
have her.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Actually really quick before we go, I know I've done.
Here we go, I got it, I got just thrown
it out there. Three letters, three letters, The ft B Podcast,
The Feed Today. If you know James's comedy, that's one
of his one of his popular bits.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
By the way, Zaane hates that joke, so I have
I've done it twice in for the Zane and he
was not like that joke. So I don't know. Some
people love it, like most people love it. Some people
are like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
I love it too. So there you go, all right,
good one, and we'll talk to you soon. By