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(00:21):
get some green. Hey everybody, Welcome to the Queen Comedy Podcast.
What is to be expected to be the last episode
of the Queen Comedy Podcast. It's an end of four
hundred and fifty episodes, and actually, if you go back
and look, there's more than that, because there are like
one offs and stuff like that, but official four hundred
and fifty episodes. And I'm with my co host, mister
Seth Lawrence. Seth, how's it going? Hey?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Pretty good? Pretty good? It is huge, Yeah, pretty deep,
pretty deep. It's big change change, a name change, a brand,
the whole.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Thing change, and it's all changing. And I was talking
to Seth before the podcast. I'm going to look for
like a person studio. I have a couple of options
and opportunities coming and I have things like that. So
this is being dropped on the second of September, so
and then there'll probably be a break for a month
of where I'm trying to figure it out and put
(01:13):
all the pieces together. There are a couple of options
for other things. People have invited me to be part
of a podcast. I have a call with that for
with somebody later this week. I agree with that, but
I also want to do my WTH podcast, so I
need something that's like a one on one thing, and
then I also want something that's like kind of a
group podcast. And then there will also be a audio
(01:33):
only Funny Money podcast that'll come out every month or
so where I do kind of like ideas for how
to make money and comedy and stuff like that. But
I want to also do a legal podcast, and Seth
and I kind of talked about that a little bit.
I have a friend who is a professor at law school,
and then Seth is actually a lawyer, has a lot
of degree, and then I am in law school. So
(01:54):
there's three different points of view. Yeah, there you go,
point to point to all your beautiful things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Now are you still considered a barred lawyer? Are you?
Are you?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I mean it's inactive in North Carolina. My license either
pay every year or you put it on hiatus.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So I put it on hiatus.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And have you ever thought about taking the California bar
to like see if you could do, like just to
have it as a backup here?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I thought about it, and I actually sat for it,
but I stopped studying for it about halfway through because
I was like, what's the point. I don't even want
to really do this. I don't think out here. So
I sat for the bar, took it and did not pass.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I don't even know now if I could sit for
it again, I don't know what I would have to
do to sit for it again.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
That's a good question. Yeah, that's amazing. It's as I'm studying,
I'm realizing, luckily I'm smart enough that I paid attention
enough like law, like law shows and law books and
like legal dramas and whatever like oh, so like it's funny,
and then it makes it. It does this two purpose
(03:02):
thing where I'll know something and I'm like doing my
class and I'm like, oh, yeah, this is how that works.
And then the professor explains it. I'm like, okay, I'm
only slightly off on how it works. And then I'll
go watch something like I was watching uh suits La.
I yeah, ever see that show? And version there's a
new one suits La. It takes place I see in
La and stuff and with Steven Mmel, who's awesome movies
(03:24):
to be arrow, And so they're doing it and I go,
oh yeah, and I like, I forgot what it was,
but I like, say it to. My wife is watching
it with me. She goes, how do you know that?
And then they exactly said the same thing or whatever,
And I was like, law school, baby, like, come on,
learn the terms, learn the rules. You'll be all right,
you know. Yeah, But it's hard. It's so many it's
(03:45):
so many rules. And here's a weird thing. I don't
think that law school is equal to what you're supposed
to learn on the bar. Like I don't feel like
it's the same things. So it feels unfair. And then
so you're not learning the same thing that you're going
to learn when you go practice law. It's like three
you're like learning three different steps.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
The New York Times did a huge expose I want
to say now, maybe ten years ago, about the issues
of our legal education. They canvassed a bunch of bigger
law firms and the research was basically unanimous. Every law
firm came back and said, it's not necessarily a waste.
(04:28):
People go to law school and they're taught how to
think like a lawyer thinks, but as far as being
useful to a law firm, absolutely not. So these people
come out of law school and even studying for the bar,
and then go into a job and the job is
document review or basic contract editing and formulation. It's not
(04:51):
really what you've been studying in school because what you
study in school or Supreme Court decisions and the rules
that come from those decisions and some reasoning as to
why those decisions were made the way that they were.
So if we all graduated from law school and went
into a justice position, like on either the Superior Court
(05:14):
or you know, not saying that we've become Supreme Court justices,
but you're much more geared to writing a judicial opinion
out of law school than anything else, which is not
what you do as a lawyer until you become a judge.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
If you decide to do that, and most don't. Most
of what you're.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Doing are legal briefs, summarizing points things like that. That
is tangentially useful, but you're not coming up with a brief,
you know, you're not coming up with a judicial decision.
So yeah, that was one issue. The other issue is
that the bar is not law school, and basically everybody
has to spend a bunch of money outside of law
(05:52):
school to study for the bar exam, which is its
own beast and different in every state.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It's a racket. It feels like a racket.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And then the law firms hire you and they spend
two to three years training you, and for big law
they burn you out, so you leave and they have
to just repeat the whole process again with the next
crop of new lawyers.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
That's crazy. It sounds like comedy. It sounds a lot
like comedy.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, I mean, you know, there are a lot of
overlaps with comedy and legal writing or legal thinking in particular. Yeah,
that's another fascinating kind of bit.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, yeah, because I mean the thing about this, go
to open mics, you're just grinding. That's not really what
comedy is. If you think an open mic is comedy,
it's not comedy. It's not the same thing. And the
laughs that you get there are not guaranteed to be
the same laughs that you're going to get on a
real stage in front of a real audience. Right, And
the biggest part of comedy isn't even the portion of
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getting up and telling jokes. It's the networking and making
understanding bookers and trying to make deals and trying to
get booked and traveling, all those things that are not
even in the scope of what you would even learn.
It's a whole different ballgame, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, I mean my one pushback is if you're doing
open mics, you are hopefully at least learning how to write.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
A joke, hopefully, you know, but a lot of people
write to the back of the room or to the
lowest common denominator.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Sure, and that's what I was just gonna say.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
The jokes you're probably learning that get the payoff at
the open mics are so dark that regular people are terrified.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
When they hear it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But you at least understand, like, here's the structure, and
then you have to kind of pull it back and
be like, well, where's the line for normal people, you know,
as opposed to these belligerent midlife crisis men that are
just so cynical that just laugh at suicide jokes like
where is the where's the normal person?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Line?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But as far as like structuring a joke, and then
I would also say, depending on where you go or
your open.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Mics also helps a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
True the extent that you can diversify your open mic,
that would be good.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's true. That's true. There there's a lot to that.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, But yes, there's a whole bunch.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I think to every career that is an education piece
and then the actual practical piece and then the behind
the scenes pieces are all pretty different.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
It feels like very different careers.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Now, when you watched when you were in law school,
did you ever watch like legal drama shows or did
you not? Like I'm avoiding that, I.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Mean I did.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, you know, Law and Order was a wonderful series
that I watched before going to law school. Didn't ever
really have time to get into it after law school.
Suits came out while I was in law school and
they're now rebooting it as Suits LA, and that.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Was interesting, but it was also.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Very triggering, Yeah, because you're spending all this time for
those who don't know suits. At least the original was
about this kid who was basically a savant when it
came to standardized testing, in particular the ELSAT and the
bar exam, and so he basically just forged his way.
He would take these exams, but he never went to
(09:06):
law school and never really studied for the bar through
the traditional means, so he wasn't eligible to sit for
the bar, but he aced it. All of that I
find so triggering, you know, because it's like so hard
for most people to sit get into law school one
and then two get passed by the bar exam.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So I did watch it. I did enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I had quite a few people, but at that aspect
was triggering. I had some people tell me, oh, you
got to check out Boston Legal, and I could not
do Boston Legal it. I found it so awful to watch,
just did not like it. Pay Purchase is an oldie,
but a goodie if anybody's interested in like older legal shows.
(09:53):
Pay per Chase is actually about a group of guys
in law school, and it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
There's also just you know, there's also a new I
think it's called is this Thing On? I think that's
the name of it. Yeah, there's a new stand up
comedy movie called Is This Thing On? With Will Arnett
as he plays like an old guy who goes through
midlife prices and starts stand up. I watched the trailer.
(10:21):
I watched the trailer and I did not I did
not like it, especially because he's going up at the
cellar where they don't have an open mic, like but
they do do it like that. I'm like, are you
kidding me? At least get your stuff straight, you know,
at least get certain things right of knowing, like, hey,
this is where you can go for an open mic.
This is where you do not go for an open mic.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well, and to be honest, most of the open mic
stuff is just not fit for TV or movies or
consumption in any way, so you have to manufacture it.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Fascinating. I mean, I like lue Larnette, I would have
to check this out it.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
You know what bothers me about movies and shows like this,
I will say the same thing for Marvelous Missus MASL
cannot handle that show. Really, it's out there that love it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I hate it, And.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
My problem with it is this, I don't know if
Will Arnett has ever done stand upright, I can tell
you the woman who does Marvelous, Missus Masel has never
done stand up in her life.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And there are so many great male and female stand
ups that could have done these roles and really brought
a genuine perspective to the project, and they've been overlooked.
And you can tell, you know, you can tell. So
there are certain shows.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I'm sure doctors out there watching Er or Gray's Anatome
would be like that not happens.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's the way it is.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I feel that same way about some of the stuff
that I've watched with law, some of the stuff with
stand up. It's really a bummer.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I think. I think pe Holmes Crashing is probably the
best version of stand up because it's written by stand ups,
it's war by stand ups. Everybody in there is a
stand up like I feel like that really absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
The biggest complaint that I've heard from stand ups about
Crashing is that everything happens too fast.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yes, yes, which is.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Course obviously it's gonna happen too fast. No one's going
to watch a show where ten years is this guy
in open mics. No one's gonna watch that. No, that
that's real life, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, the funny thing is, if you actually pay attention
to it, he is when the show begins, he's already
been doing stand up and open mics for like a
couple of years. So it's not like he's just starting.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It isn't.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But you know, for everybody when you tune in, it's like, oh,
this is when everybody kind of existed, you know, I
guess I I yeah, you just come with your own
preconceived notions about like, oll he must have just begun,
you know, But.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yes, I love crashing.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Crashing is fantastic, best thing Pete Holmes has done, to
be honest anyway, So yes, I'm I'm gonna have to
check out this thing with Will Arnett because I like
him so much.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
But I'm gonna probably be frustrated.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And that's my biggest complaint with Marvelous Missus Maisel is
that she does her stand up things and it's like
not written by stand ups and not performed by a
stand up and it screams of just being so contrived.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
They did have they did, but they did have comedy
writers work on that show. If I remember right, uh,
if I.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Forgot at the beginning, I feel like, I mean, let
me see, I.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Know there were like there were some like comedians who
did actually like go and and end up like you know,
doing writing and stuff like that. I'm pretty sure Alex
Borstein was did do sub stand up as well. Who
is who is Susie? Who was her like current manager
and stuff. But I'm pretty sure there were like writers
(14:08):
who were comedians that did help right on that show
as well. If I remember.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
There might there might have been. You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But also it's also takes place at the beginning of
what we consider the age of stand up right like
where You're You're they're getting Lenny Lenny Bruce comes in
at one point stuff, so like the Aborsch Belt stuff.
So it's still at the very early stages of what
stand up was, and so they forgive it for a
little bit of being not what you would see today.
(14:41):
If you made that, you couldn't If you made this
show today, it would definitely you would definitely have to
have way more stand up writers involved in this show.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, I mean, there's sure.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
My My issue though, is that you watch you want,
like take any stand up that you can find on YouTube,
no matter how old they are, there is a certain
comfort and presence on stage that they possess. She doesn't
have it, and they don't capture it in the show
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the actress who's marvelous missus masl they just don't ever get.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It for it and is Lois Lane and Superman two?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And for me that was an immediate I can't do this.
It's too much of a suspension of disbelief where it's like, oh, yeah,
she'd be a great stand up No she's not.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
She's not. It's just it's not there and you can
find it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
The Big Sick is a great example of a movie
about a stand up comedian written done by a guy
who has done stand up comedy, and you can tell
it feels organic.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, is that the the one by uh, what's the
name N Johnny or whatever was his last name? Yeah, yeah,
Camilo N Johnny.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
About his life, you know, it's about his life and
his wife and and it's it's fantastically well done and
you can tell, you know, you can just tell he
has he's done stand up in real life. He has
that demeanor about him. And whoever they got I don't
know what her name is.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Jen Kirkman. Is that who plays?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Oh no, uh, what's her name? I forgot her name.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I'll look it up. I'll pull a Jamie.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Who is that? Look it up?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Jamie?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Uh, Rachel abors bors Man, I don't know, Rachel, Rachel.
There you go, sorry, Rachel.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, she she has no stand up experience and it
screams it just it's that you and I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
I could not do it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
But she was a great She's a great. Lowis Lane
in the New Superman movies. I believe it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I can believe that, like a reporter or whatever it
is Lewis Lane did in real you know in the
Superman comics.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Great, great, But you're not pulling off stand up. You can't.
That's something that is. You can't do it. She couldn't
do it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, if you had to, if you had to make
a movie about stand up, what do you think you're
the basis of that story would be like what do
you think? Are you starting from the open mic portion
or are you going to somebody who's middle of their
career and struggling, or like what's what are you? What
do you think about it? Oh?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Like, what's the most what's the most television worthy portion
of that career.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, boy, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
To me, like, you don't really make a movie about
stand up, you know, Crashing and The Big Sick weren't
about stand out right. It was really about a guy
going through a portion of his life. He just happened
to do stand up, right, And I think that's the
way you tell the story.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So I'd be more interested.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
In, you know, a ah, a career shift or a
milestone or or something like that, but it has to
do with stand up.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The story that I've been contemplating for a while is
basically a stand up who gets caught up and organized
crime as a front business for the mob.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
So he's he's.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Basically laundering money because it's a cash heavy business and
it's almost impossible to bookkeep for and it's stand up,
so generally it's kind of not making millions of dollars.
So it might be a good front for a mob business,
you know what I mean. Yeah, But that would just
involve a little bit of stand up. It wouldn't be
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about stand up necessarily. I think if you're going to
tell him move or have a movie about stand up,
it's got to be about the cusp between open mics
to actual career gigs.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Have I told you the one that that I thought
of it. It's called touring and it's about It's about
a comedian who who kind of comes from a broken home,
doesn't have a lot of like male like, you know,
doesn't have anyone to really look up to. So a
bigger name comedian takes him under his wing as he's
the opener for him. And that guy is that like
gone through divorces, lost his kids, doesn't really have anybody,
(19:18):
is kind of like a lone wolf and kind of
not not a good person either to deal with really
kind of like bitter and old and tired or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
But funny people like Adam Sandler from Funny People.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Uh oh, okay, go ahead, go ahead, sorry bro, like.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
From Adam Sandler from Funny People.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
That kind of like kind of more of a jerk
a little.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Bit, but okay.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
So then he goes onto like his day have the
same manager. The manager says, look, take this young guy
on tour with you. This guy, he you know, you
need to break him in. He's got it, he doesn't
have the experience yet, and I I need to get
him booked and this will help me so I can
book you for more stuff too, you know, and the
and so they kind of don't start out not really
liking each other and not really enjoying the road together.
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They you know, the older comic has all his own
habits and stuff that he's used to doing. The new
comics is trying to like get his get his career going.
And the fight that they have as they go through it,
and the bonds, the ups and downs and all those things.
So it's a backdrop for like a like a buddy
comedy kind of, but also stand Up as the main
motivator of that. So you'll see stand Up, but you'll
(20:26):
see a lot of like what happens on the road.
You're eating in a cruddy diner, you're you know, you're
flat tire, you sleep in a gross motel, you get
stiffed at a gig, you know, all these things that
happened and and you know that kind of stuff. And
I thought it would be kind of a good look
and a lot of comedians would go, yeah, that's what
happens on the road is, you know. And so I
(20:50):
want to call it the Road. But there's already a
book and a movie called that or whatever, and it's
not you can't you.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Know, And it's not about stand up, it's not about no.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's that that Vigo Mortensen movie where like it like snows.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Oh, he's like stranded or whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
He's like wandering to like try to make it to
the coast with and like there's like cannibals and whatever
and stuff. It's like a much weird movie. It's based
on a boat.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Sure interesting, So you can't get that.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I can't use that. It's a Cormick McCarthy book. It's
like an old walk across like a post apocalyptic landscape thing.
It's pretty good, but you can't use the road. So
touring was the other one I thought of, because that's
kind of what you're doing right when you're on tour.
You're doing this place. And the lucky the cool thing
is I've got to experience that with multiple different headliners,
So for me, I have this other look of seeing
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it in all the different facets good, bad, otherwise. And
so I think it's something I really, I really am
going to end up writing eventually. It just is on
the back burner from all the other stuff that I'm doing.
But I love that idea because I think a lot
of comedians don't understand how hard the road actually is,
how hard touring actually can be. Right, Yeah, just you
(22:02):
travel for all this time to go to a hotel
room where you wait there until you go to your show,
You do the show, and then you go back to
your hotel room to go do it all over again,
to fly back home. And it's not glamorous, it's not fun.
It's it's I can see why people could end up
getting into drugs, alcohol or otherwise, right, because it's a
(22:24):
lot of time alone. And even if you hang out
with the other comedian, sometimes you get annoyed with each other,
like you want you get to a point where you're like,
forget you, I don't want to hang out with you
right now. You're you know whatever. You know, It's just
that's just the way it is. It's like being in
a relationship or a marriage.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Sometimes you get annoyed with your spouse, you get annoyed
with your kids, you know, with your family, and you go, ah,
leave me alone, you know, or whatever. Like So it's
very very interesting to think about that and kind of
put it in a in a spot where you go, Okay,
this is what's what's going on, you know, and maybe
for with the story that I had, maybe at the
end of it, maybe we start that headliner is it's
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kind of at the end of this career, like he's
not doing the big shows anymore. He's getting booked to
like B clubs and and kind of like low hanging things.
We're like, yeah, he has a recognized name, but like
nobody's paying big money to come see him. So he's
not doing theaters or arenas. He's doing small theaters or
small clubs or small venues. And so it's just the
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fight that comes with that as well. And it's kind
of thing and whereas the other kid, the you know,
the new comedian is trying to build a brand across
the country as he's touring trying to move up, and
the other one, so they're kind of cross crisscrossing their paths.
And I think it's a good story.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think it's a great idea. Yeah,
I mean, you know, arguably that's this. I think it's.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
What you don't You don't really do a movie about
a career, right, that's a documentary, right, So I think
having this kind of like buddy cop motif is a
is a great one because you're really just looking at
these two characters. They just happen to do stand up,
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So it's kind of a unique lens.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Anyhow, Yeah, fascinating. I love it. I love the idea.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah. I always also wanted to do and I think
I have talked about it on the podcast before an
improv a three on three improv Chustipher guest style documentary.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Movie to do that too.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I know, that's like for me, that's like the dream.
I love those kind of movies. I think mocumentaries are
so much fun. I think they're so silly and unique.
And the amount of people that we know as comedians
that could also do improv is huge, right, The amount
of people you could have in that movie, you know,
the great comedians you could get to come do things
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Well, and you know, admittedly improv and stand up are different,
but there's most stand ups have done improv at one point, yes,
in time, at least in l I don't know how
it is in New York or Chicago. I can't imagine
it being different in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, especially because that's a home of good press.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
New York they're the purists who are kind of like,
you know, I've only done stand up because that's the
only real art form and vice versa. So anyhow, Yeah,
I would love to get something together. That's one thing
that I hate actually about Hollywood. My idea for this
Christopher Guest film that I wanted to do for a
while is about a guy whose wife passes away and
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he is desperate to get back in touch with her,
so he hires these ghost hunters to come and analyze
his house because he's convinced that his wife is there.
And basically throughout the film you realize she's probably not.
It's mostly us that hold on to the dead. And
then I realized that's Casper. They already made that, so
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that kind of sucks.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Wait, wait, as long as the wife comes to life
and becomes a real woman again and kisses him, then.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
So that that would not happen. It would be a
depressing Casper, is what it would be. You know, I
would just.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Forget that that's what happens at the other Casper. By
the way, somebody had to remind me that because and
kisses her at the end of at the end of
the movie.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well them also shows up, you know,
the wife shows The wife shows up and kind of
has this moment with Bill Pullman, and then yeah, Casper
becomes whoever the heart throb was of the late nineties,
who was in Little Giants, whoever that guy.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Was, Yeah, I don't remember his name either.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And then kisses the female actress in that movie and
then dies again.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Basically that's so wild. And then a second or third
Casper too, if I remember.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Right, I mean they might have, so mine would be
a little different in that way, so I probably could
still make it, But the heart of the story is like, man,
they already did it, and they kind of ruined it
to be honest, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
But I think making fun of the ghost hunter thing
is such a good thing because it's such a I think.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's right, yeah, it's or you know, it would be
great so that maybe maybe one day that's kind of
one of my back burner projects as well as to
get something like that together and do it for fun.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But that's pretty cool, I think. I think there's a
lot of things that we as comedians think about and
write down and then they can't be jokes, so you
have to figure out how can I make them something else,
how can I yeah something, yeah, that is still well.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I mean, in essence, it is a joke, you know,
but it's like, how does this joke live? Does it
live as a as a stand up yuck?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yuck? Or is it a sketch? Is it a movie?
What is it? What is this thing?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Can I ask you something? Have you seen the new
Naked Gun movie?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I have not?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Okay, so my kids have never seen things.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Though it's great.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
My kids have never seen a naked gun movie. Ever.
I didn't show them any of the og ones. So
there are some of the jokes. But my youngest daughter
walked out of there and goes, I don't even know
what I just watched. And I was like, you just
watched a comedy. Like these comedies were very popular back
in the day. You had Airplane and Naked Gun hot Shots,
(28:10):
Robin Hoood, mend Insights. They're all inside jokes on whatever
the topic of it was, and silly play and that
kind of stuff. And my youngest daughter goes, yeah, I
don't like that, and I go, okay, I almost thought
it was like it was funny, you know whatever. It
was not my thing, but it was funny.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Oh my gosh, it's wild to see you now. My
oldest one. I asked to show her ace vent Tura.
Now she does never wants to see a Jim Carrey
movie again.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Ever, what hilarious?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I know, I know, but I think because the age
we saw the man, I wonder if there's a correlation
to what your comedic taste is based on the age
that you saw something comedic, right, because you need a
probably around ten or eleven when we saw ace vent
Turas somewhere in that time frame, maybe thirteen at the latest,
and that kind of that's the humor right for that
age group.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, I will say though, yes, yes, I feel like
the same way.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Initially I thought your your stance was kind of like
what kind of comedian you become.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Based on what you watch?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And I was gonna say, neither of us is really
that that goofy you know, Jim Carrey is a very
physically goofy guy. I'm I can't do that, but I
still love the movie. A s Ventura, dumb and dumber,
you know, all that stuff my favorite. I I do
think there is a time and place for all of
(29:37):
these comedies in a way and some age better or age, yeah,
age better than others.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Monty Python, I think holds up no matter what age
you watch it at.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
It's it's pretty amazing the way that they did Monty Python,
all of like the TV show, the whole thing. I mean,
their most famous at least in America for Holy Grail
and that that holds up incredibly well. Aceventura is yeah,
prime teenage boy, that is. I mean, as the kids say, now,
Chef's kiss of that age group, dumb and dumber, same thing.
(30:13):
And I can see girls not liking it.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, it's not a girl movie, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And I think it's funny that we've movies aren't made
like that anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
There aren't really.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Movies made for boys and made for girls any longer,
you know.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, Like I watched Freaky Friday and I didn't feel
like it was made geared more towards girls, even though
the main cast is female. I didn't feel like it
was really well.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And also, I mean, why why are we remaking that
that was?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It was good? Did you see Freaky Friday good?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I haven't seen it at all.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I mean I said a Freaky Friday back when, you know,
back before. But Okay, all right, so maybe it's worth
another Maybe it's worth a watch this Freaky Er Friday.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I liked it. I liked it. There were comedies coming
back that we're getting more comedy movies. There's the new
the new Seth Rogan Disease, an sorry movie. It's called
good Something, where they switch places. Disease become with poor,
it becomes rich and seth Rogans from being rich and
being poor. And it's done through an angel. I think
it's called like good not good omens good Something. I
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don't know what is, but anywhere.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Good fortune, Oh yeah, with Cony Reeves.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Reeves says an angel. Right, and that right there is
the kind of comedies that I missed. That's a silly
idea that they, you know, they put together, and you
know that it's gonna be funny because you're getting the
polar opposite switch. You're getting the you know, the the
old school you know, like Brewster's Millions or what's Eddie
(31:48):
Murphy Trading places with any like that kind of you're
getting those kind of vibes from that, And for me,
that's a great kind of film. And when's the last
time we got a jud Apatow movie, right, you know
what I'm saying, Like, that's something I want to see
you again too, that we haven't gotten in a long time.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Sure, I mean, I'm trying to think about the most
recent Jet Appletown movie.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, I couldn't even tell you. I want to say
it was. I want to say it was funny people,
but that might be wrong.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
The bubble was the bubble by Jet Apple Town?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh? Is that the one where they did they did
like they all were.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
The King of Staten Island.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, that's but that was That was a while ago.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I thought, Yeah, that was twenty twenty, The Zendars of
Gary Shandling.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That was. That's a documentary. That's fine. Yeah, the Bubble.
I don't think I watched the Bubble, but it's like nine.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
He then did This Is forty train Wrack. I didn't
see either of those.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I love This Is forty. I love I love funny people.
I love like Pineapple Express, super Bad, like a lot
of those movies. Died forty Oero Versions is probably my
favorite though. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know like that that
might be my favorite movie of his of all time
because it's just it's just such a wild film where
(33:12):
they're just like, okay.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
So I guess he's doing a lot more documentaries now.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I think he's done a lot more documentaries. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I think that's where he's going in his career, which
sucks because you know, if we get freaking came back
at some point, that'll be great.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Oh Man, Bob and Donna love story. What is that?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I don't know what that is. Oh I did watch
the Police Don't Destroy movie that he made. That was
that was really good. Actually, I think he was just
a producer on it there or something, but it's still good.
But yeah, so we're not seeing we're not seeing a
lot of stuff like that anymore, and I think that's
that's kind of something we need to get back. Although
what's funny is because Naked gunn came back, Netflix has
(33:55):
hot Shots and hot Shots hot Shots Part do on
on Netflix, which I'm right, because it's that kind of comedy,
you know, it's it's a parody of something that was
popular at the time, right, And so we're getting that
kind of silly nostalgia back, which hopefully means if Naked
Gun does well, they'll make a couple more of these
or they'll allow for these these other kinds of movies
(34:17):
to be made like that that are just silly and weird.
There's an old movie I don't know if you've ever
seen it, called the Kentucky Fried Movie, and what it is,
it's short clips of different things. It's like it's like
you're watching a television station. There's different things like a
news portion and a commercial and a fake movie heat
trailer and like all these things, and it's it's just,
(34:38):
you know, it is rated art is a little dirty
in some parts or whatever because it's a old seventies movie,
but it's fantastic and hilarious, and like if you liked
Animal House and Porky's and Revenge of the Nerds and
those kind of things, this is right up your same
alley of that kind of stuff. And I really enjoy that.
And I wish somebody I think they did make something
(35:03):
like it back in the day, called like Channel thirteen
or something weird like that. But The Kentucky Fried Movie
is such a fantastic film that people people don't really
watch it enough as anymore. It's a John Landis directed movie.
It's just really funny. David Zucker wrote it and stuff
as well. It's just a really good comedy film. And
(35:25):
they you know, they also did Airplane, Top Secret, Police Squad,
Naked Gun, they did all that, So it's from those
guys who did those kind of movies. So it's in
that vein and gives you kind of a silly, funny
style of film and stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
So yeah, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I think I think we're missing we're missing stuff like that.
I think we're missing things like that. I think we
need to bring that back and do so. I got Also,
I don't know if you know this, but the new
Naked Gun SETH McFarlane is a producer on it. Oh yeah,
so it make sense that I was watching and going, oh,
that makes sense. This is a definitely fits fits his
(36:05):
style and humor and whatever. And if you go watch
Family Guy, there's a lot of those silly gag things
that they do that are very airplane nikky go those
like that kind of silly offshoot jokes they run through.
So I think that that probably, you know, helped with
a lot of like his style of what he wanted
(36:25):
to do for comedy as as a comedian or as
a comedy writer back in the day.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Four hundred and fifty episodes. I've learned. This is the
one thing I've learned. Yeah, you just have to be yourself.
You just have to be yourself. There's no other version
of comedy that's gonna work for you. The one that
works for you is the one where you're being yourself.
And I think that's the biggest thing that I took
away from all these episodes talking to other comedians, learning
about comedy starting out. I mean, because when I started this,
(36:54):
I was just starting stand up. I was just starting,
you know, try to do open mics and starting to
produce my own shows. And then it slowly I started
getting booked places and getting paid to do comedy and
all these things. And now I'm touring with a national headliner.
And this is the second one I've toured with, third
one technically that I've toured with that you know, nationally,
(37:15):
And I've learned so much in that timeframe. You know.
This This is also and it's only because I've really
got to focus on law school. This will be my
last year touring. Was a I was gonna stay and
go next year, but it is so hard for me
to do law school and tour that I really am not.
I'm not capable of doing both. I want to as
(37:36):
much as I want to, I really really really want to,
it's just it's not doable, and it's it's not sustainable
for me, especially if I want to, you know, get
through law school pass and get good grades and whatever
I have. You know, like, you know, could you imagine
you doing law school and trying to do stand up?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
No? No, yeah, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Did you have a day job while you went to
law school or do you only law school?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
No? I was just in law school.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, imagine I'm doing all my side stuff,
podcasting and stand up and a family. It's like, no, dude,
what do you That's wild?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah? Yeah, no, that's crazy. Yeah. No, can't do it.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
What have you What have you learned from this? Is
there a big takeaway that you've ever learned from this podcast,
something you've learned from from doing this?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I think I think my biggest takeaway from talking to
you about clean comedy in particular is that there's there's
always a.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Way to make money from doing clean comedy.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Uh, you kind of have to get out there a
little bit, you have to really you know, work for it,
but there is a way to do it, and I've
found that pretty hopeful. Yeah, I think that's my biggest
kind of takeaway from this podcast in particular.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah, it's a viable career option, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, And I hope that that's what people have taken
away from it, that like clean comedy is, it's a
niche inside of comedy, but it's a niche that can
make money for you, and it's something that if you
do it well, you can make money in a lot
of different places where other people aren't tapping that source.
Where they're not it's outside of a traditional realm that
is good for you, whether that be writing or producing shows,
(39:28):
and places that most people aren't going to do it,
like a retirement home or you know, for a PTA meeting,
or for I've done like a Jewish holidays. I've done
backyard gatherings, golf courses, all kinds of stuff, places all
of the place where if I wasn't clean, those opportunities
wouldn't have opened up to me. And I think if
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you think outside of the box of like, where's a
place where if I told jokes and I offended somebody
it would cause me trouble? That place is probably the
place that you should go to if you're going to
do clean comedy, because then you're not going to offend
anybody and you can make money.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Doing it, you know, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Think that there's a lot to be made there. I
think there's a lot of things that can that can
come out of being clean. And that doesn't mean you
have to be clean forever, and that doesn't mean you
have to all your sets out to be clean. If
you want to do a mixture of those things, just know,
if you have a clean set, you can open a
lot of doors and then with that you can do
a lot of other things. And if you want to
go and be blue and do whatever, you totally can.
(40:28):
Look at John Moliney, right, everybody started off kind of clean.
John Moliney's new stuff not as clean as it used
to be, you know, it's not there. But I don't
see Nate Bergatzi going from being clean to being you know,
a blue comedian. I can't see that happening. That's his
bread and butter, you know, and that's who he is
expect So.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, I mean I think there's well, and you've talked
about this a lot on the podcast. You can always
dirty something up. It is very easy to dirty up
a joe. It is very hard to clean up a
joke and make sure it's still funny. Yeah, So if
you start with the clean version, you can always blue
(41:10):
it down, and that's not you know, So if you
can start clean, you're better off in the long run.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I think, yeah, I like that. That that might be
the final thing that ever gets said on this podcast.
I think that's, oh my gosh, that's the thing. That's
the thing to remember. You know, you can always dirty
up clean, but if you start clean, that's that's your
way to green real fast.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
So yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Thank you, Seth, Thank you are ready for listening. We'll
be back. It's not gonna be the clean comedy podcast.
Could be something totally different. Don't worry. I'm not gonna
get start going blue, so you don't have to worry
about that. But I think we're gonna find something that's
gonna work for everybody. I want to talk about money,
I want to talk about law, I want to talk
about history, I want to talk about pop culture. And
I think there's a space for that and I've just
got to figure out what it is. But I appreciate
(41:57):
every single person forever listening to this podcast. They're gonna
stay up forever. By the way, they're never gonna go away.
I'm never gonna delete these and remove them. I want
them to exist forever so that you guys can always
come back to them and listen and find new stuff.
And I hope that you've enjoyed all these episodes with me,
with Luke when he was on, with Seth as the
co host, with all the plethora of people that I've
(42:19):
ever had on this podcast. I'm so grateful for the
ability to ever be able to do this to a
point where I have listeners and fans and people that
come to shows and things like that, and honestly, I
can't ask if this was the end of my comedy career,
I would be so grateful. I would feel so grateful
because I've had so many people reach out to me
and just come out to shows and write me and
(42:41):
just I really really appreciate every single one of you.
So don't fret. I'm not gone forever. I'll come back.
It'll be in a different form, but it's gonna be
fun and I'm looking forward to it. So from the
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(00:21):
get some green. Hey everybody, Welcome to the Queen Comedy Podcast.
What is to be expected to be the last episode
of the Queen Comedy Podcast. It's an end of four
hundred and fifty episodes, and actually, if you go back
and look, there's more than that, because there are like
one offs and stuff like that, but official four hundred
and fifty episodes. And I'm with my co host, mister
Seth Lawrence. Seth, how's it going? Hey?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Pretty good? Pretty good? It is huge, Yeah, pretty deep,
pretty deep. It's big change change, a name change, a brand,
the whole.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Thing change, and it's all changing. And I was talking
to Seth before the podcast. I'm going to look for
like a person studio. I have a couple of options
and opportunities coming and I have things like that. So
this is being dropped on the second of September, so
and then there'll probably be a break for a month
of where I'm trying to figure it out and put
(01:13):
all the pieces together. There are a couple of options
for other things. People have invited me to be part
of a podcast. I have a call with that for
with somebody later this week. I agree with that, but
I also want to do my WTH podcast, so I
need something that's like a one on one thing, and
then I also want something that's like kind of a
group podcast. And then there will also be a audio
(01:33):
only Funny Money podcast that'll come out every month or
so where I do kind of like ideas for how
to make money and comedy and stuff like that. But
I want to also do a legal podcast, and Seth
and I kind of talked about that a little bit.
I have a friend who is a professor at law school,
and then Seth is actually a lawyer, has a lot
of degree, and then I am in law school. So
(01:54):
there's three different points of view. Yeah, there you go,
point to point to all your beautiful things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Now are you still considered a barred lawyer? Are you?
Are you?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I mean it's inactive in North Carolina. My license either
pay every year or you put it on hiatus.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So I put it on hiatus.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And have you ever thought about taking the California bar
to like see if you could do, like just to
have it as a backup here?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I thought about it, and I actually sat for it,
but I stopped studying for it about halfway through because
I was like, what's the point. I don't even want
to really do this. I don't think out here. So
I sat for the bar, took it and did not pass.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I don't even know now if I could sit for
it again, I don't know what I would have to
do to sit for it again.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
That's a good question. Yeah, that's amazing. It's as I'm studying,
I'm realizing, luckily I'm smart enough that I paid attention
enough like law, like law shows and law books and
like legal dramas and whatever like oh, so like it's funny,
and then it makes it. It does this two purpose
(03:02):
thing where I'll know something and I'm like doing my
class and I'm like, oh, yeah, this is how that works.
And then the professor explains it. I'm like, okay, I'm
only slightly off on how it works. And then I'll
go watch something like I was watching uh suits La.
I yeah, ever see that show? And version there's a
new one suits La. It takes place I see in
La and stuff and with Steven Mmel, who's awesome movies
(03:24):
to be arrow, And so they're doing it and I go,
oh yeah, and I like, I forgot what it was,
but I like, say it to. My wife is watching
it with me. She goes, how do you know that?
And then they exactly said the same thing or whatever,
And I was like, law school, baby, like, come on,
learn the terms, learn the rules. You'll be all right,
you know. Yeah, But it's hard. It's so many it's
(03:45):
so many rules. And here's a weird thing. I don't
think that law school is equal to what you're supposed
to learn on the bar. Like I don't feel like
it's the same things. So it feels unfair. And then
so you're not learning the same thing that you're going
to learn when you go practice law. It's like three
you're like learning three different steps.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
The New York Times did a huge expose I want
to say now, maybe ten years ago, about the issues
of our legal education. They canvassed a bunch of bigger
law firms and the research was basically unanimous. Every law
firm came back and said, it's not necessarily a waste.
(04:28):
People go to law school and they're taught how to
think like a lawyer thinks, but as far as being
useful to a law firm, absolutely not. So these people
come out of law school and even studying for the bar,
and then go into a job and the job is
document review or basic contract editing and formulation. It's not
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really what you've been studying in school because what you
study in school or Supreme Court decisions and the rules
that come from those decisions and some reasoning as to
why those decisions were made the way that they were.
So if we all graduated from law school and went
into a justice position, like on either the Superior Court
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or you know, not saying that we've become Supreme Court justices,
but you're much more geared to writing a judicial opinion
out of law school than anything else, which is not
what you do as a lawyer until you become a judge.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
If you decide to do that, and most don't. Most
of what you're.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Doing are legal briefs, summarizing points things like that. That
is tangentially useful, but you're not coming up with a brief,
you know, you're not coming up with a judicial decision.
So yeah, that was one issue. The other issue is
that the bar is not law school, and basically everybody
has to spend a bunch of money outside of law
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school to study for the bar exam, which is its
own beast and different in every state.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It's a racket. It feels like a racket.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And then the law firms hire you and they spend
two to three years training you, and for big law
they burn you out, so you leave and they have
to just repeat the whole process again with the next
crop of new lawyers.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
That's crazy. It sounds like comedy. It sounds a lot
like comedy.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, I mean, you know, there are a lot of
overlaps with comedy and legal writing or legal thinking in particular. Yeah,
that's another fascinating kind of bit.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, yeah, because I mean the thing about this, go
to open mics, you're just grinding. That's not really what
comedy is. If you think an open mic is comedy,
it's not comedy. It's not the same thing. And the
laughs that you get there are not guaranteed to be
the same laughs that you're going to get on a
real stage in front of a real audience. Right, And
the biggest part of comedy isn't even the portion of
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getting up and telling jokes. It's the networking and making
understanding bookers and trying to make deals and trying to
get booked and traveling, all those things that are not
even in the scope of what you would even learn.
It's a whole different ballgame, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, I mean my one pushback is if you're doing
open mics, you are hopefully at least learning how to write.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
A joke, hopefully, you know, but a lot of people
write to the back of the room or to the
lowest common denominator.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Sure, and that's what I was just gonna say.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
The jokes you're probably learning that get the payoff at
the open mics are so dark that regular people are terrified.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
When they hear it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But you at least understand, like, here's the structure, and
then you have to kind of pull it back and
be like, well, where's the line for normal people, you know,
as opposed to these belligerent midlife crisis men that are
just so cynical that just laugh at suicide jokes like
where is the where's the normal person?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Line?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But as far as like structuring a joke, and then
I would also say, depending on where you go or
your open.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Mics also helps a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
True the extent that you can diversify your open mic,
that would be good.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's true. That's true. There there's a lot to that.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, But yes, there's a whole bunch.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I think to every career that is an education piece
and then the actual practical piece and then the behind
the scenes pieces are all pretty different.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
It feels like very different careers.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Now, when you watched when you were in law school,
did you ever watch like legal drama shows or did
you not? Like I'm avoiding that, I.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Mean I did.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, you know, Law and Order was a wonderful series
that I watched before going to law school. Didn't ever
really have time to get into it after law school.
Suits came out while I was in law school and
they're now rebooting it as Suits LA, and that.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Was interesting, but it was also.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Very triggering, Yeah, because you're spending all this time for
those who don't know suits. At least the original was
about this kid who was basically a savant when it
came to standardized testing, in particular the ELSAT and the
bar exam, and so he basically just forged his way.
He would take these exams, but he never went to
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law school and never really studied for the bar through
the traditional means, so he wasn't eligible to sit for
the bar, but he aced it. All of that I
find so triggering, you know, because it's like so hard
for most people to sit get into law school one
and then two get passed by the bar exam.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So I did watch it. I did enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I had quite a few people, but at that aspect
was triggering. I had some people tell me, oh, you
got to check out Boston Legal, and I could not
do Boston Legal it. I found it so awful to watch,
just did not like it. Pay Purchase is an oldie,
but a goodie if anybody's interested in like older legal shows.
(09:53):
Pay per Chase is actually about a group of guys
in law school, and it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
There's also just you know, there's also a new I
think it's called is this Thing On? I think that's
the name of it. Yeah, there's a new stand up
comedy movie called Is This Thing On? With Will Arnett
as he plays like an old guy who goes through
midlife prices and starts stand up. I watched the trailer.
(10:21):
I watched the trailer and I did not I did
not like it, especially because he's going up at the
cellar where they don't have an open mic, like but
they do do it like that. I'm like, are you
kidding me? At least get your stuff straight, you know,
at least get certain things right of knowing, like, hey,
this is where you can go for an open mic.
This is where you do not go for an open mic.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well, and to be honest, most of the open mic
stuff is just not fit for TV or movies or
consumption in any way, so you have to manufacture it.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Fascinating. I mean, I like lue Larnette, I would have
to check this out it.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
You know what bothers me about movies and shows like this,
I will say the same thing for Marvelous Missus MASL
cannot handle that show. Really, it's out there that love it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I hate it, And.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
My problem with it is this, I don't know if
Will Arnett has ever done stand upright, I can tell
you the woman who does Marvelous, Missus Masel has never
done stand up in her life.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And there are so many great male and female stand
ups that could have done these roles and really brought
a genuine perspective to the project, and they've been overlooked.
And you can tell, you know, you can tell. So
there are certain shows.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I'm sure doctors out there watching Er or Gray's Anatome
would be like that not happens.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's the way it is.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I feel that same way about some of the stuff
that I've watched with law, some of the stuff with
stand up. It's really a bummer.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I think. I think pe Holmes Crashing is probably the
best version of stand up because it's written by stand ups,
it's war by stand ups. Everybody in there is a
stand up like I feel like that really absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
The biggest complaint that I've heard from stand ups about
Crashing is that everything happens too fast.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yes, yes, which is.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Course obviously it's gonna happen too fast. No one's going
to watch a show where ten years is this guy
in open mics. No one's gonna watch that. No, that
that's real life, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, the funny thing is, if you actually pay attention
to it, he is when the show begins, he's already
been doing stand up and open mics for like a
couple of years. So it's not like he's just starting.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It isn't.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But you know, for everybody when you tune in, it's like, oh,
this is when everybody kind of existed, you know, I
guess I I yeah, you just come with your own
preconceived notions about like, oll he must have just begun,
you know, But.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yes, I love crashing.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Crashing is fantastic, best thing Pete Holmes has done, to
be honest anyway, So yes, I'm I'm gonna have to
check out this thing with Will Arnett because I like
him so much.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
But I'm gonna probably be frustrated.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And that's my biggest complaint with Marvelous Missus Maisel is
that she does her stand up things and it's like
not written by stand ups and not performed by a
stand up and it screams of just being so contrived.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
They did have they did, but they did have comedy
writers work on that show. If I remember right, uh,
if I.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Forgot at the beginning, I feel like, I mean, let
me see, I.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Know there were like there were some like comedians who
did actually like go and and end up like you know,
doing writing and stuff like that. I'm pretty sure Alex
Borstein was did do sub stand up as well. Who
is who is Susie? Who was her like current manager
and stuff. But I'm pretty sure there were like writers
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who were comedians that did help right on that show
as well. If I remember.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
There might there might have been. You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But also it's also takes place at the beginning of
what we consider the age of stand up right like
where You're You're they're getting Lenny Lenny Bruce comes in
at one point stuff, so like the Aborsch Belt stuff.
So it's still at the very early stages of what
stand up was, and so they forgive it for a
little bit of being not what you would see today.
(14:41):
If you made that, you couldn't If you made this
show today, it would definitely you would definitely have to
have way more stand up writers involved in this show.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, I mean, there's sure.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
My My issue though, is that you watch you want,
like take any stand up that you can find on YouTube,
no matter how old they are, there is a certain
comfort and presence on stage that they possess. She doesn't
have it, and they don't capture it in the show
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the actress who's marvelous missus masl they just don't ever get.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It for it and is Lois Lane and Superman two?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And for me that was an immediate I can't do this.
It's too much of a suspension of disbelief where it's like, oh, yeah,
she'd be a great stand up No she's not.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
She's not. It's just it's not there and you can
find it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
The Big Sick is a great example of a movie
about a stand up comedian written done by a guy
who has done stand up comedy, and you can tell
it feels organic.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, is that the the one by uh, what's the
name N Johnny or whatever was his last name? Yeah, yeah,
Camilo N Johnny.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
About his life, you know, it's about his life and
his wife and and it's it's fantastically well done and
you can tell, you know, you can just tell he
has he's done stand up in real life. He has
that demeanor about him. And whoever they got I don't
know what her name is.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Jen Kirkman. Is that who plays?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Oh no, uh, what's her name? I forgot her name.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I'll look it up. I'll pull a Jamie.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Who is that? Look it up?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Jamie?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Uh, Rachel abors bors Man, I don't know, Rachel, Rachel.
There you go, sorry, Rachel.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, she she has no stand up experience and it
screams it just it's that you and I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
I could not do it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
But she was a great She's a great. Lowis Lane
in the New Superman movies. I believe it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I can believe that, like a reporter or whatever it
is Lewis Lane did in real you know in the
Superman comics.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Great, great, But you're not pulling off stand up. You can't.
That's something that is. You can't do it. She couldn't
do it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, if you had to, if you had to make
a movie about stand up, what do you think you're
the basis of that story would be like what do
you think? Are you starting from the open mic portion
or are you going to somebody who's middle of their
career and struggling, or like what's what are you? What
do you think about it? Oh?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Like, what's the most what's the most television worthy portion
of that career.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, boy, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
To me, like, you don't really make a movie about
stand up, you know, Crashing and The Big Sick weren't
about stand out right. It was really about a guy
going through a portion of his life. He just happened
to do stand up, right, And I think that's the
way you tell the story.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So I'd be more interested.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
In, you know, a ah, a career shift or a
milestone or or something like that, but it has to
do with stand up.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The story that I've been contemplating for a while is
basically a stand up who gets caught up and organized
crime as a front business for the mob.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
So he's he's.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Basically laundering money because it's a cash heavy business and
it's almost impossible to bookkeep for and it's stand up,
so generally it's kind of not making millions of dollars.
So it might be a good front for a mob business,
you know what I mean. Yeah, But that would just
involve a little bit of stand up. It wouldn't be
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about stand up necessarily. I think if you're going to
tell him move or have a movie about stand up,
it's got to be about the cusp between open mics
to actual career gigs.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Have I told you the one that that I thought
of it. It's called touring and it's about It's about
a comedian who who kind of comes from a broken home,
doesn't have a lot of like male like, you know,
doesn't have anyone to really look up to. So a
bigger name comedian takes him under his wing as he's
the opener for him. And that guy is that like
gone through divorces, lost his kids, doesn't really have anybody,
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is kind of like a lone wolf and kind of
not not a good person either to deal with really
kind of like bitter and old and tired or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
But funny people like Adam Sandler from Funny People.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Uh oh, okay, go ahead, go ahead, sorry bro, like.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
From Adam Sandler from Funny People.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
That kind of like kind of more of a jerk
a little.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Bit, but okay.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
So then he goes onto like his day have the
same manager. The manager says, look, take this young guy
on tour with you. This guy, he you know, you
need to break him in. He's got it, he doesn't
have the experience yet, and I I need to get
him booked and this will help me so I can
book you for more stuff too, you know, and the
and so they kind of don't start out not really
liking each other and not really enjoying the road together.
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They you know, the older comic has all his own
habits and stuff that he's used to doing. The new
comics is trying to like get his get his career going.
And the fight that they have as they go through it,
and the bonds, the ups and downs and all those things.
So it's a backdrop for like a like a buddy
comedy kind of, but also stand Up as the main
motivator of that. So you'll see stand Up, but you'll
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see a lot of like what happens on the road.
You're eating in a cruddy diner, you're you know, you're
flat tire, you sleep in a gross motel, you get
stiffed at a gig, you know, all these things that
happened and and you know that kind of stuff. And
I thought it would be kind of a good look
and a lot of comedians would go, yeah, that's what
happens on the road is, you know. And so I
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want to call it the Road. But there's already a
book and a movie called that or whatever, and it's
not you can't you.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Know, And it's not about stand up, it's not about no.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's that that Vigo Mortensen movie where like it like snows.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Oh, he's like stranded or whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
He's like wandering to like try to make it to
the coast with and like there's like cannibals and whatever
and stuff. It's like a much weird movie. It's based
on a boat.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Sure interesting, So you can't get that.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I can't use that. It's a Cormick McCarthy book. It's
like an old walk across like a post apocalyptic landscape thing.
It's pretty good, but you can't use the road. So
touring was the other one I thought of, because that's
kind of what you're doing right when you're on tour.
You're doing this place. And the lucky the cool thing
is I've got to experience that with multiple different headliners,
So for me, I have this other look of seeing
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it in all the different facets good, bad, otherwise. And
so I think it's something I really, I really am
going to end up writing eventually. It just is on
the back burner from all the other stuff that I'm doing.
But I love that idea because I think a lot
of comedians don't understand how hard the road actually is,
how hard touring actually can be. Right, Yeah, just you
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travel for all this time to go to a hotel
room where you wait there until you go to your show,
You do the show, and then you go back to
your hotel room to go do it all over again,
to fly back home. And it's not glamorous, it's not fun.
It's it's I can see why people could end up
getting into drugs, alcohol or otherwise, right, because it's a
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lot of time alone. And even if you hang out
with the other comedian, sometimes you get annoyed with each other,
like you want you get to a point where you're like,
forget you, I don't want to hang out with you
right now. You're you know whatever. You know, It's just
that's just the way it is. It's like being in
a relationship or a marriage.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Sometimes you get annoyed with your spouse, you get annoyed
with your kids, you know, with your family, and you go, ah,
leave me alone, you know, or whatever. Like So it's
very very interesting to think about that and kind of
put it in a in a spot where you go, Okay,
this is what's what's going on, you know, and maybe
for with the story that I had, maybe at the
end of it, maybe we start that headliner is it's
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kind of at the end of this career, like he's
not doing the big shows anymore. He's getting booked to
like B clubs and and kind of like low hanging things.
We're like, yeah, he has a recognized name, but like
nobody's paying big money to come see him. So he's
not doing theaters or arenas. He's doing small theaters or
small clubs or small venues. And so it's just the
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fight that comes with that as well. And it's kind
of thing and whereas the other kid, the you know,
the new comedian is trying to build a brand across
the country as he's touring trying to move up, and
the other one, so they're kind of cross crisscrossing their paths.
And I think it's a good story.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think it's a great idea. Yeah,
I mean, you know, arguably that's this. I think it's.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
What you don't You don't really do a movie about
a career, right, that's a documentary, right, So I think
having this kind of like buddy cop motif is a
is a great one because you're really just looking at
these two characters. They just happen to do stand up,
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So it's kind of a unique lens.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Anyhow, Yeah, fascinating. I love it. I love the idea.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah. I always also wanted to do and I think
I have talked about it on the podcast before an
improv a three on three improv Chustipher guest style documentary.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Movie to do that too.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I know, that's like for me, that's like the dream.
I love those kind of movies. I think mocumentaries are
so much fun. I think they're so silly and unique.
And the amount of people that we know as comedians
that could also do improv is huge, right, The amount
of people you could have in that movie, you know,
the great comedians you could get to come do things
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Well, and you know, admittedly improv and stand up are different,
but there's most stand ups have done improv at one point, yes,
in time, at least in l I don't know how
it is in New York or Chicago. I can't imagine
it being different in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, especially because that's a home of good press.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
New York they're the purists who are kind of like,
you know, I've only done stand up because that's the
only real art form and vice versa. So anyhow, Yeah,
I would love to get something together. That's one thing
that I hate actually about Hollywood. My idea for this
Christopher Guest film that I wanted to do for a
while is about a guy whose wife passes away and
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he is desperate to get back in touch with her,
so he hires these ghost hunters to come and analyze
his house because he's convinced that his wife is there.
And basically throughout the film you realize she's probably not.
It's mostly us that hold on to the dead. And
then I realized that's Casper. They already made that, so
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that kind of sucks.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Wait, wait, as long as the wife comes to life
and becomes a real woman again and kisses him, then.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
So that that would not happen. It would be a
depressing Casper, is what it would be. You know, I
would just.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Forget that that's what happens at the other Casper. By
the way, somebody had to remind me that because and
kisses her at the end of at the end of
the movie.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well them also shows up, you know,
the wife shows The wife shows up and kind of
has this moment with Bill Pullman, and then yeah, Casper
becomes whoever the heart throb was of the late nineties,
who was in Little Giants, whoever that guy.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Was, Yeah, I don't remember his name either.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And then kisses the female actress in that movie and
then dies again.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Basically that's so wild. And then a second or third
Casper too, if I remember.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Right, I mean they might have, so mine would be
a little different in that way, so I probably could
still make it, But the heart of the story is like, man,
they already did it, and they kind of ruined it
to be honest, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
But I think making fun of the ghost hunter thing
is such a good thing because it's such a I think.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's right, yeah, it's or you know, it would be
great so that maybe maybe one day that's kind of
one of my back burner projects as well as to
get something like that together and do it for fun.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But that's pretty cool, I think. I think there's a
lot of things that we as comedians think about and
write down and then they can't be jokes, so you
have to figure out how can I make them something else,
how can I yeah something, yeah, that is still well.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I mean, in essence, it is a joke, you know,
but it's like, how does this joke live? Does it
live as a as a stand up yuck?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yuck? Or is it a sketch? Is it a movie?
What is it? What is this thing?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Can I ask you something? Have you seen the new
Naked Gun movie?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I have not?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Okay, so my kids have never seen things.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Though it's great.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
My kids have never seen a naked gun movie. Ever.
I didn't show them any of the og ones. So
there are some of the jokes. But my youngest daughter
walked out of there and goes, I don't even know
what I just watched. And I was like, you just
watched a comedy. Like these comedies were very popular back
in the day. You had Airplane and Naked Gun hot Shots,
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Robin Hoood, mend Insights. They're all inside jokes on whatever
the topic of it was, and silly play and that
kind of stuff. And my youngest daughter goes, yeah, I
don't like that, and I go, okay, I almost thought
it was like it was funny, you know whatever. It
was not my thing, but it was funny.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Oh my gosh, it's wild to see you now. My
oldest one. I asked to show her ace vent Tura.
Now she does never wants to see a Jim Carrey
movie again.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Ever, what hilarious?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I know, I know, but I think because the age
we saw the man, I wonder if there's a correlation
to what your comedic taste is based on the age
that you saw something comedic, right, because you need a
probably around ten or eleven when we saw ace vent
Turas somewhere in that time frame, maybe thirteen at the latest,
and that kind of that's the humor right for that
age group.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, I will say though, yes, yes, I feel like
the same way.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Initially I thought your your stance was kind of like
what kind of comedian you become.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Based on what you watch?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And I was gonna say, neither of us is really
that that goofy you know, Jim Carrey is a very
physically goofy guy. I'm I can't do that, but I
still love the movie. A s Ventura, dumb and dumber,
you know, all that stuff my favorite. I I do
think there is a time and place for all of
(29:37):
these comedies in a way and some age better or age, yeah,
age better than others.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Monty Python, I think holds up no matter what age
you watch it at.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
It's it's pretty amazing the way that they did Monty Python,
all of like the TV show, the whole thing. I mean,
their most famous at least in America for Holy Grail
and that that holds up incredibly well. Aceventura is yeah,
prime teenage boy, that is. I mean, as the kids say, now,
Chef's kiss of that age group, dumb and dumber, same thing.
(30:13):
And I can see girls not liking it.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, it's not a girl movie, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And I think it's funny that we've movies aren't made
like that anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
There aren't really.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Movies made for boys and made for girls any longer,
you know.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, Like I watched Freaky Friday and I didn't feel
like it was made geared more towards girls, even though
the main cast is female. I didn't feel like it
was really well.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And also, I mean, why why are we remaking that
that was?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It was good? Did you see Freaky Friday good?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I haven't seen it at all.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I mean I said a Freaky Friday back when, you know,
back before. But Okay, all right, so maybe it's worth
another Maybe it's worth a watch this Freaky Er Friday.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I liked it. I liked it. There were comedies coming
back that we're getting more comedy movies. There's the new
the new Seth Rogan Disease, an sorry movie. It's called
good Something, where they switch places. Disease become with poor,
it becomes rich and seth Rogans from being rich and
being poor. And it's done through an angel. I think
it's called like good not good omens good Something. I
(31:20):
don't know what is, but anywhere.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Good fortune, Oh yeah, with Cony Reeves.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Reeves says an angel. Right, and that right there is
the kind of comedies that I missed. That's a silly
idea that they, you know, they put together, and you
know that it's gonna be funny because you're getting the
polar opposite switch. You're getting the you know, the the
old school you know, like Brewster's Millions or what's Eddie
(31:48):
Murphy Trading places with any like that kind of you're
getting those kind of vibes from that, And for me,
that's a great kind of film. And when's the last
time we got a jud Apatow movie, right, you know
what I'm saying, Like, that's something I want to see
you again too, that we haven't gotten in a long time.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Sure, I mean, I'm trying to think about the most
recent Jet Appletown movie.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, I couldn't even tell you. I want to say
it was. I want to say it was funny people,
but that might be wrong.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
The bubble was the bubble by Jet Apple Town?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh? Is that the one where they did they did
like they all were.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
The King of Staten Island.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, that's but that was That was a while ago.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I thought, Yeah, that was twenty twenty, The Zendars of
Gary Shandling.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That was. That's a documentary. That's fine. Yeah, the Bubble.
I don't think I watched the Bubble, but it's like nine.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
He then did This Is forty train Wrack. I didn't
see either of those.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I love This Is forty. I love I love funny people.
I love like Pineapple Express, super Bad, like a lot
of those movies. Died forty Oero Versions is probably my
favorite though. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know like that that
might be my favorite movie of his of all time
because it's just it's just such a wild film where
(33:12):
they're just like, okay.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
So I guess he's doing a lot more documentaries now.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I think he's done a lot more documentaries. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I think that's where he's going in his career, which
sucks because you know, if we get freaking came back
at some point, that'll be great.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Oh Man, Bob and Donna love story. What is that?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I don't know what that is. Oh I did watch
the Police Don't Destroy movie that he made. That was
that was really good. Actually, I think he was just
a producer on it there or something, but it's still good.
But yeah, so we're not seeing we're not seeing a
lot of stuff like that anymore, and I think that's
that's kind of something we need to get back. Although
what's funny is because Naked gunn came back, Netflix has
(33:55):
hot Shots and hot Shots hot Shots Part do on
on Netflix, which I'm right, because it's that kind of comedy,
you know, it's it's a parody of something that was
popular at the time, right, And so we're getting that
kind of silly nostalgia back, which hopefully means if Naked
Gun does well, they'll make a couple more of these
or they'll allow for these these other kinds of movies
(34:17):
to be made like that that are just silly and weird.
There's an old movie I don't know if you've ever
seen it, called the Kentucky Fried Movie, and what it is,
it's short clips of different things. It's like it's like
you're watching a television station. There's different things like a
news portion and a commercial and a fake movie heat
trailer and like all these things, and it's it's just,
(34:38):
you know, it is rated art is a little dirty
in some parts or whatever because it's a old seventies movie,
but it's fantastic and hilarious, and like if you liked
Animal House and Porky's and Revenge of the Nerds and
those kind of things, this is right up your same
alley of that kind of stuff. And I really enjoy that.
And I wish somebody I think they did make something
(35:03):
like it back in the day, called like Channel thirteen
or something weird like that. But The Kentucky Fried Movie
is such a fantastic film that people people don't really
watch it enough as anymore. It's a John Landis directed movie.
It's just really funny. David Zucker wrote it and stuff
as well. It's just a really good comedy film. And
(35:25):
they you know, they also did Airplane, Top Secret, Police Squad,
Naked Gun, they did all that, So it's from those
guys who did those kind of movies. So it's in
that vein and gives you kind of a silly, funny
style of film and stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
So yeah, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I think I think we're missing we're missing stuff like that.
I think we're missing things like that. I think we
need to bring that back and do so. I got Also,
I don't know if you know this, but the new
Naked Gun SETH McFarlane is a producer on it. Oh yeah,
so it make sense that I was watching and going, oh,
that makes sense. This is a definitely fits fits his
(36:05):
style and humor and whatever. And if you go watch
Family Guy, there's a lot of those silly gag things
that they do that are very airplane nikky go those
like that kind of silly offshoot jokes they run through.
So I think that that probably, you know, helped with
a lot of like his style of what he wanted
(36:25):
to do for comedy as as a comedian or as
a comedy writer back in the day.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Four hundred and fifty episodes. I've learned. This is the
one thing I've learned. Yeah, you just have to be yourself.
You just have to be yourself. There's no other version
of comedy that's gonna work for you. The one that
works for you is the one where you're being yourself.
And I think that's the biggest thing that I took
away from all these episodes talking to other comedians, learning
about comedy starting out. I mean, because when I started this,
(36:54):
I was just starting stand up. I was just starting,
you know, try to do open mics and starting to
produce my own shows. And then it slowly I started
getting booked places and getting paid to do comedy and
all these things. And now I'm touring with a national headliner.
And this is the second one I've toured with, third
one technically that I've toured with that you know, nationally,
(37:15):
And I've learned so much in that timeframe. You know.
This This is also and it's only because I've really
got to focus on law school. This will be my
last year touring. Was a I was gonna stay and
go next year, but it is so hard for me
to do law school and tour that I really am not.
I'm not capable of doing both. I want to as
(37:36):
much as I want to, I really really really want to,
it's just it's not doable, and it's it's not sustainable
for me, especially if I want to, you know, get
through law school pass and get good grades and whatever
I have. You know, like, you know, could you imagine
you doing law school and trying to do stand up?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
No? No, yeah, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Did you have a day job while you went to
law school or do you only law school?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
No? I was just in law school.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, imagine I'm doing all my side stuff,
podcasting and stand up and a family. It's like, no, dude,
what do you That's wild?
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah? Yeah, no, that's crazy. Yeah. No, can't do it.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
What have you What have you learned from this? Is
there a big takeaway that you've ever learned from this podcast,
something you've learned from from doing this?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I think I think my biggest takeaway from talking to
you about clean comedy in particular is that there's there's
always a.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Way to make money from doing clean comedy.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Uh, you kind of have to get out there a
little bit, you have to really you know, work for it,
but there is a way to do it, and I've
found that pretty hopeful. Yeah, I think that's my biggest
kind of takeaway from this podcast in particular.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah, it's a viable career option, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, And I hope that that's what people have taken
away from it, that like clean comedy is, it's a
niche inside of comedy, but it's a niche that can
make money for you, and it's something that if you
do it well, you can make money in a lot
of different places where other people aren't tapping that source.
Where they're not it's outside of a traditional realm that
is good for you, whether that be writing or producing shows,
(39:28):
and places that most people aren't going to do it,
like a retirement home or you know, for a PTA meeting,
or for I've done like a Jewish holidays. I've done
backyard gatherings, golf courses, all kinds of stuff, places all
of the place where if I wasn't clean, those opportunities
wouldn't have opened up to me. And I think if
(39:49):
you think outside of the box of like, where's a
place where if I told jokes and I offended somebody
it would cause me trouble? That place is probably the
place that you should go to if you're going to
do clean comedy, because then you're not going to offend
anybody and you can make money.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Doing it, you know, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Think that there's a lot to be made there. I
think there's a lot of things that can that can
come out of being clean. And that doesn't mean you
have to be clean forever, and that doesn't mean you
have to all your sets out to be clean. If
you want to do a mixture of those things, just know,
if you have a clean set, you can open a
lot of doors and then with that you can do
a lot of other things. And if you want to
go and be blue and do whatever, you totally can.
(40:28):
Look at John Moliney, right, everybody started off kind of clean.
John Moliney's new stuff not as clean as it used
to be, you know, it's not there. But I don't
see Nate Bergatzi going from being clean to being you know,
a blue comedian. I can't see that happening. That's his
bread and butter, you know, and that's who he is
expect So.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, I mean I think there's well, and you've talked
about this a lot on the podcast. You can always
dirty something up. It is very easy to dirty up
a joe. It is very hard to clean up a
joke and make sure it's still funny. Yeah, So if
you start with the clean version, you can always blue
(41:10):
it down, and that's not you know, So if you
can start clean, you're better off in the long run.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I think, yeah, I like that. That that might be
the final thing that ever gets said on this podcast.
I think that's, oh my gosh, that's the thing. That's
the thing to remember. You know, you can always dirty
up clean, but if you start clean, that's that's your
way to green real fast.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
So yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Thank you, Seth, Thank you are ready for listening. We'll
be back. It's not gonna be the clean comedy podcast.
Could be something totally different. Don't worry. I'm not gonna
get start going blue, so you don't have to worry
about that. But I think we're gonna find something that's
gonna work for everybody. I want to talk about money,
I want to talk about law, I want to talk
about history, I want to talk about pop culture. And
I think there's a space for that and I've just
got to figure out what it is. But I appreciate
(41:57):
every single person forever listening to this podcast. They're gonna
stay up forever. By the way, they're never gonna go away.
I'm never gonna delete these and remove them. I want
them to exist forever so that you guys can always
come back to them and listen and find new stuff.
And I hope that you've enjoyed all these episodes with me,
with Luke when he was on, with Seth as the
co host, with all the plethora of people that I've
(42:19):
ever had on this podcast. I'm so grateful for the
ability to ever be able to do this to a
point where I have listeners and fans and people that
come to shows and things like that, and honestly, I
can't ask if this was the end of my comedy career,
I would be so grateful. I would feel so grateful
because I've had so many people reach out to me
and just come out to shows and write me and
(42:41):
just I really really appreciate every single one of you.
So don't fret. I'm not gone forever. I'll come back.
It'll be in a different form, but it's gonna be
fun and I'm looking forward to it. So from the
last time you'll ever hear me say have a good
one and we'll talk to you soon Bye.
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