The Cocktail Lounge w/ Aggie and Brad: Really?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
The following program contains course language and adult themes.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Listening to Discretion is advice and welcome everyone to another

(00:50):
episode of The Cocktail Lounge. I am your hostess with
the Mostes Eggie and with me as always, is the
ever suave, affable and co hosts Brad Slacker. I always
have to take a deep breath before I say your name?
How are you doing today? Bred?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Fed up? It's my fault that we're late the night.
I'm not my fault. Eli's fault.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm yeah, I'm gonna throw him under the bus. Everything
that has been going wrong with me and every it's
his fault. It's all his fault.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I mean, I don't know if this was cloud fair
today or what the hell I was going through. It
took me forever to get on and I couldn't get on,
And now I'm here. Never mind, we're done. How is
everything in Texas?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well? It wasn't too bad today. I had a glorious morning,
and then this afternoon the clouds kind of moved in
and I thought I'm gonna get some rain. No, no rain,
just they kept moving, they kept going, like my grass
is all yellow. I kind of need I need, I

(01:54):
need I need rain. But my morning was nice. I
got it mid How about you? How's it going over
in Florida?

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Day was going well. Night went to ship though. Want
us here. We're doing good. We're doing good, and get
ready for holidays. I'll be in Texas myself by the weekend.
I'm coming to the Lone Star.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
And I'm not going to be in the area. I'm sorry.
It couldn't be helped.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
I swear.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
We were trying to coordinate this, but unfortunately mom plans
got in the way. So I'll be traveling out while
you're in Texas. I'll be gone down to the valley.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
So Alas.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah. Yeah, but hopefully someday before we die.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
One day we'll do a live show together.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I think I think Seatback was the last time that
we had a lect show together, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Probably? Yeah? I think we did like a roundtable kind
of thing that was attempted. And yeah, it was years ago, too,
damn long.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
We gotta get this A long time ago. I was
much younger. There was less gray. Yeah, this is true.
Oh shush, well, am I wrong? I was younger, there
was less gray. And for those of you watching, yes,
I'm wearing a Tiara, because today is princess Day, so

(03:35):
shout out to all the princesses out there. I would
have sent you one to Brad, but I did not
have time.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well, honestly, I don't know that the wife would appreciate
you sending me a princess a.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Tiara, Ta Tiara. You're already married to a princess.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yes, exactly. Don't worry. He's not listen. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
It's not that I have to say it. I like seeing.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
But you had a uh you had a pretty good
Saturday and pretty nice birthday, did you not.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I okay, so my birthday was this past Saturday. I
am officially your age.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I love rubbing the fact that that you're five days
older than so for five glorious days, I am younger
and it feels great. But no, it was. It was
a good day. I was pretty lazy, and then we
had the Aggie game, which really it tested me. It

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tested me, and let me tell you, I was already
I was suffering. I was starting to suffer the battered
Aggie syndrome, which is a thing. Look it up. There
were there will be people talking about it. There is
such a thing as battered aggie syndrome. We just when
we start losing or something. Yeah, we messed it up.

(05:10):
We did this to ourselves. We deserve it. We're gonna lose. Well,
so much for that. I mean seriously, I was starting
to feel that way because at the end of the half,
they you know, we were playing South Carolina Gamecocks. It
was so happy that we were playing the game Cocks
on my birthday. I love saying that. But yeah, neither

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here nor there. At the end of the half, we
were down twenty seven points, we're up thirty to three.
And let me tell you, they were playing really well.
They were all clicking everything. We were like completely desynchronized.
I mean, I was watching and I was like, this

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is not the way the guys play. And you know,
growing social media, and there were a lot of people saying,
this is not normally what they would do in this situation.
This is not normally where he would throw the ball,
this is not normally where he would be there to
receive it, this is not normally. There were a lot
of those kind of comments made among others, such as, well,

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now we know that they're probably growing the game so
they can get a bigger payout. You know, blah blah blah,
I don't know whatever. And but you know, at the half,
like I always say, the beginning of the third quarter,
it's a brand new game. It's always a brand new game.
And you and I have discussed this before. I've always

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felt that Texas and him loses the game in the
third quarter. I mean, I don't know what, I don't know.
It used to be that way. Third quarter was like
our hell, we just were gonna suck. But apparently Mike Galko,
our coach, decided to actually talk to the players and

(07:01):
what he said was very meaningful. He didn't yell at them,
and this came from several sources, both from the assistant
coaches and the players themselves. He didn't yell. He just
went in there and said, look, you need to play
to your identity. And he could tell that some of

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the kids were like kind of confused about what that meant.
But keeping in mind that my school thrives on tradition,
there are certain things that translate to traditions in the
football program itself that some football programs are not privy
to or don't care or they don't have in their
own kind of thing. But there are certain traditions that

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are also attached to the football team, and so he
was trying to tell them that they have their own identity.
They cannot keep looking at what the gang Cocks were doing.
They have to keep looking at what each of them
were doing, and showed as the third quarter progressed, they

(08:04):
were starting to actually click together and suddenly you have
a touchdown and field goal gets made and then you
have you know, another and we ended up winning that
we had. I don't know how that happened. It was like,
I do believe in miracles. I believe americles. So but

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we went from thirty to three at the end of
the first half to beating them thirty one to thirty,
so completely unanswered points.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
And yeah, it was like you switch uniforms at halftime
or something.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
But it was almost like the kids were like they
were they were they were actually suffering also from batter
Daggye syndrome because they kept thinking, you know, because the
game Cocks swept us last year. I mean, we had
a brutal loss to the game called last year. I
love saying that name. Okay, well keep saying it throughout

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the throughout the show. So for them it was also
that fear that they were going to fall to the
team again, and Elko said, that team was over. That's
not the team you're playing. You're playing a totally different team.

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You all are a different team, and you all have
your own identity and you have to play to your identity.
And they took it to heart, and so it was
like it was magical to watch. I mean, it was
just like incredible how they came back. That was the
biggest comeback in our program's history. So there was a

(09:48):
little alterucation. I don't know if you've caught it. It
did not involve Texas Aggies and involved a DPS officer.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Oh yeah, I got I had that in my column
this weekend.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Mmmm.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I'm hoping he's fired.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
But anyway, well, he got relieved the game duty immediately
and has been relieved of any future games.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
They said, Well, apparently, I believe CSPD is also conducting
an internal investigation. The investigation is always handled by a
different police department when a police department is involved. Rather
than have the Texas A and M police department, they

(10:32):
asked an outside agency. So I think it's college station,
could be Brian, But they're also conducting because you know
that it was extremely uncalled for to treat anybody in
that manner. And if he treats me, well.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I don't even know why he was there. That didn't
make sense. What happened was there was a long touchdown,
the receiver went all the way into the tunnel after
through the end zone.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
A lot of people are speculating exactly. He was holding
his leg and he was kind of limping a little bit,
so he was trying to walk it off, and that
was the longest walk he could take was into the tunnel.
But he started coming back out with his teammates. It
wasn't like he was leaving. It was the wrong tunnel
to leave through anyway, So and where was he going

(11:24):
to go? He's still played, so the DPS officer, the
state trooper is going up there, and he was very
rude in the way. Honestly, it looked like assault to me.
And there were several people, to include le eos, that
were saying, yeah, what he did that constitutes assault. So yeah,

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we're one of these kids. I would actually I would
actually sue I would.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
But there were some other players had you know, gone
into the tunnel to celebrate with him, kind of so
they all turned around and meanwhile, he's walked into the
tunnel at the same time. Why wouldn't you just step
aside and let them buy?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Exactly was there was absolutely no reason for him to
do what he did. So that was you know, when
a lot of people started, you know, complaining about the
Aggie PD and and everybody said, no, that's not the
Aggie PD. That's a DPS officer, that's a state trooper.
And sure enough, about five minutes later, my nephew, the

(12:25):
state trooper sent me a message. I cannot believe I
just saw that. I am going to have words. He said.
Now this is a very Christian, god fearing guy, and
he's like, I'm going to have words. Okay, keep me
in the loop. But yeah, my Aggie's pulled it off.
That we are now ten and oh and up next

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we have Sanford Bulldogs and they're they're they're not a
big team, and I this is mostly so that Sandford
can get some money, you know, playing a bigger team,
I guess. But after that we have Texas. And speaking
of Texas, today is the twenty sixth anniversary of the

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bonfire tragedy that occurred on campus. It occurred a little
after two am, where one of the logs split and
caused the entire structure to fall. Twelve students and one
former student died in that horrible tragedy. And we usually

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start the commemoration at the time that the bonfire fell.
So this morning, at little after two am, students and
former students and general people were just gathered to observe.
The bells were rung and there were readings done, and

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they continued throughout the day. So it has it's weird
to me that it happened twenty six years ago, and
I still remember that morning waking up and turning on
the TV to watch the news, and it was coverage
of what had happened in college station, and I was just.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
It.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
It hurt, and it still does because bonfire is a
very special tradition for Texas A and M. And yes
it's still going on. It does not occur on campus anymore,
but it does occur off campus, and it is supervised
by the students themselves, and it's still a really good tradition.

(14:42):
I went a couple of years ago and that was
kind of cool.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Imagine, so it's got to be a pretty cool event
and more so since you're alumni, so that would be cool.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
No, I'm not an alumni. I'm a former student.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Okay, we did not. I can't keep up with it all.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
You got traditions, Well, we call ourselves former students as
a matter of fact, the Association of Former Students. That's
why it's called that way for a reason.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
And the difference is.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
It's all in the tradition exactly, because once an aggie,
always an aggie. You're never an X like the Texas X. So.
And how about Miami, how did Miami do?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Miami had a walkover pretty much. They played NC State
and wasn't even close and NC State didn't even score
until late in the fourth when the third stringers were in.
It was like forty two to seven and kind of
helps everything out as far as getting back into the
playoff brackets.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, I did hear something really interesting though, how somebody
was talking about this on a podcast. There's a chance
that a full third of the roster going into the
playoffs will be schools from Texas. Because you have Texas,

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you have Texas Texas Tech, Texas A and M and
possibly University of North Texas going into the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I think the Longhorns are going to be long shot,
and if you guys beat them, then it's done and.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Over God from your mouth, the God's ears.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I mean, if they pull it off against you, that's
probably going to get them in.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
But and I have people in my family saying, well,
we should root for Texas because we want them in
the playoffs. I'm like, absolutely not. I do not want
them in the playoffs. I don't care if they're in Texas.
I don't want them in the playoffs. So there. I
know my Texas friends are probably listening to this right

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now and she's going, wow, she's hostile. No, no, no,
it's not that I'm hostile. It's just that Texas needs
to learn a lesson. You cannot put this much pressure
on a starting quarterback based on his name and his legacy.
You can't. You should not do that. That's not very fair.

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I've been rooting for this kid, but they need to
just back off of him. And he's carrying the whole team.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
It seems like, well, it's uh, he's got to bear
it up. I mean, you're playing at a top flight school.
I seecs suck it up and do the job or
you know, now, I mean, I know the expectations are
probably beyond reasonable. But at the same time, you know,

(17:59):
he chose to go there, he chose to enter that spotlight.
So it's you can't really have sympathy. You just gotta
get yourself through it. You know.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
It's not that it's sympathy, it's just that this is
something Texas has done. They tend to put the quarterback
in the limelight and then expect him to carry the
whole team until the whole team can catch up. And
I don't think that's fair. You should work as a team.

(18:32):
I mean, I remember when Fred Akers was the coach
back in the eighties, and that's something that he did
do with his team. He actually made them work as
a team. He's the one that he's the one that
called us cokeroaches. He called the Aggi football players cockroaches.

(18:53):
So we made t shirts and sold them for the
scholarship fund. It's great. Wow, Hey, we we publish our
own Aggie jokes, you know that, right, those little books
of Aggie jokes and everything. We publish them and all
that money goes into the scholarship fund. But not stupid.

(19:15):
We just told how to make a book.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Well, that's the way you gotta do it. M Yeah,
it's a case where we're looking at you know, I mean,
Miami's got Virginia Tech this week. I think they can
handle that and pretty much gonna pave the way for
them to get into the postseason, it looks like, and

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they've got them already ranked in the bracket without winning
the conference, So I don't think that's the requirement. But
and I only say that because there's a possibility they
could not be in the conference final and yet they're
ranked so far in the playoff bracket. So I'm wondering

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if there's a different conference champion but Miami doesn't lose
from this point on, if that's going to make a
huge difference or not. I mean, I guess that's a possibility.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's there. I just quick aside, Yes, Ordie,
that's probably one of the nicest things that you've ever
said about Aggie's and I really do appreciate it. Thank you.
We're like Marines, so I you know, it's great. Even
our core has really good uniforms. So, but I did

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hear that the Miami Dolphins had a really good time
this past weekend.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Who told you that I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
A little bird told me.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
I watched the game. No, they were playing in Spain
against the Washington Commanders, and I think it was six
to six at halftime, and I'm walking around the bar
because we had breakfast in the bar for the game
went off at the nine to thirty yard times.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
So.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
We had breakfast subs and Mimosa's going and I said,
the good thing is we don't have to translate the
word touchdown in Spanish, because these sons of bitches don't
want to get into the end zone. But they ended
up into the second half they each score, but then
they tied, and Miami should have fired the coach even

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though they won the game, because it was like a
minute and a half to go, fourth down, two yard line,
kick a field goal, win the game, or at least
force the other team to beat you. No, they go
for it, tackle for a loss, turnover on downs, overtime.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Just okay, it was messy, but.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
But then we got an interception I think on the
first play overtime. In fact, we were already in field
goal range, so it was like three plays and kick
it and win it and get out of here and
send your apologies to the people of Madrid.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Actually, from all accounts, Madrid actually enjoyed it. Uh My,
you know, I have I have family that lives in Spain.
Most of them live in the Cannery Islands. There are
a few that live in Seville, some in Toledo. But

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my my dad's cousin, her daughter actually works in Spain.
She has like a commute job or something, I don't know,
from Puerto Rico to Spain. Whatever. She said that the
Spaniards were all about this game, and I'm like, it's
kind of weird because they like soccer. She's like, no,

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you don't understand. They had Americans there. That was a
big deal. So you know, they liked y'all. They thought
your colors were funny though.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Oh yeah, they were kind of thrown off by the aquamarine.
Is that it?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I think? So? I mean, and I'm like, you know,
y'all don't have any room to talk. I've seen your
flag and so, but you know whatever. She just she
thought that the biggest complaint was the colors. They didn't
like the Washington Commander colors either.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I'm like, okay, I've seen real Madrid's colors. I've seen
everybody's colors over there. They're ugly. I don't understand. Nobody's
gonna be good, nobody's ever gonna be satisfied, so I
just let it slide whatever. But apparently, yeah, some people
really liked the fact that you had American football being

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played in Madrid because sometimes it takes place, you know,
they go to London. I think they've been to Ireland
a couple of times, but Spain doesn't get a gig
like that often, so they're very happy with that.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Well, I'm kind of I don't I don't know if
they have not released the bracket yet, but I'm looking
forward and I can't find it. But there's there's really
a problem going on right now because you know, like
Notre Dame is a lock for the playoffs despite the

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fact they've got two losses, but they're highly anchored in
the top ten. Miami is kind of on the bubble
right now with a head to head wind against Notre
Dame and two losses each. People are trying to get
that justified. It's like, how do you rank them not
only above, but have them so far secure a playoff

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spot when Miami can't. That makes zero sense.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Again, Let's go back to what I've said about the rankings.
Let's go back to what I've said about Notre Dame.
Let's go back to the fact that Notre Dame is
independent only with their football team. Everybody else is in
a in a conference. All of the other teams are
in a conference except their football team. Until their football
team is in a conference. This is going to play

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out this way. Oh, it's Notre Dame. They deserve the spot,
and you know that that's what they were saying. They
deserve the spot because they'll bring in money. Well, you
know what, Miami would bring money too.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's just, uh, you know, this is the kind of
crap that was supposed to be remedied by this. You know,
this is the kind of stuff. I mean, the lower
ranks are trouble, I know, but sect oh, I'm not
hopeful at all. I know, how don't give me. They

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did everything to appease people, and look what's happening. You know,
they still sucking up because they just have this love
affair with Notre Dame. But beyond that, so they have
to give it to them because it's the Irish whatever.
But hey, good news, Alabama lost.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I feel a little bad, do you I was happy.
That's why I feel bad.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Oh oh, I'm sorry. What's your what's your screen name?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Shun freud Ish in my dead account? Yeah, okay, yes,
I live for the of it all, but I do
kind of feel bad. I feel bad for Texas in
a way too.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
But why, you know, get it to themselves.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
I mean, uh, yeah, this is this is where I'm at.
You know, I did not watch the Alabama game. I
did hear about it. I could hear several of my
friends gnashing their teeth and screaming into the void.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Well, I mean, in all honesty, the Irish, I'm sorry,
the Tide. I get my resentfulness mixed up sometimes. But
they they actually outplayed Oklahoma mm hmm. But they kept
turning the ball over them and you know, hang on
to the ball. Maybe I'm gonna say that, but they Yeah,

(27:43):
I mean they lost at home. That's pretty significant, pretty
damn big. And you know you're expecting either a blowout
or a solid victory at that point. But what are
you gonna do If you give up the game like
you did, that's gonna matter. So they're kind of knocked

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down as a result. They are. They've fallen to ten,
so they're probably still in the playoffs unless you know,
something happens with the SEC final. If they go to
the final and lose that, I think that's got to
seal it for them because they're not three losses. And

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how you're going to justify it.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well, it's It has been very interesting because one of
the things that I have noticed on social media is
the absolute and complete surprise when it comes to Texas
A and M. Almost every single sports commentator, anybody that
does college sports, any anybody in the student body that

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does college sports, you know, all of their tiktoks or
reels or videos whatever. I keep finding that surprise, like,
we did not expect this from Texas A and M.
And like I said, they always considered us a step
right step, the redheaded stepchild of the SEC. And but

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one of the guys was actually said what I have said,
and he said, well, it's only to be expected when
you actually have a coach that wants to coach and
not one that wants to write on glory. And I
was like, this is what I've been saying, this is
what I've been saying. This is why, to this day,

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my brother and I are still at out over Jimbo
Fisher years later because I told him when they got
Jimbo Fisher, he said, I told him this is going
to end in tears, and he's like, no, he's great,
he's awesome, and blah blah blah. It's like, yeah, he's great.
Over there, he's not He's not Aggie, he's not here.

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But you know he hates it when I'm.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Right, I get it. Well, the bracket did finally come out,
and Miami isn't it You're still ranked number three. Let's
see Texas Tech actually moved up a notch there at five.
I might even put them above the Bulldogs myself, but

(30:25):
I they're gonna have a walk at this point. They
got the walkover because they're gonna have the first team
to get in. South Florida was in the bracket last week,
but they lost this week. So right now it looks
like Tulane gets in, so I think it should be
James Madison.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
At this point.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Wow, Okay, yeah, Green Wave makes it as the twelfth sneed.
Miami's in at eleven and right now ranked with Ole Miss,
that would be a hell of a game. Notre Dame
of Homer. Hmm.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I just want to let emd know. No, I'm actually
having Cosmopolitans tonight. I did not know about this recipe
until I signed in, but it sounds really really good,
so yes, please let us know how it tastes. And yes,
I'm wearing a tiara because it is Princess Day and
of course I have like a shit and a tiara,

(31:26):
so I had to get one.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
But gotta do it. You should make it a regular feature.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Oh no, I'm not a glory Hound much, but anyway,
go on.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Just suggesting it wouldn't be bad thing. But yeah, so
far that's the case. And at least at least the
Miami makes the bracket. I guess that would quell some
of the outrage. But uh yeah, a lot of people
are saying, what the hell?

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Well again, this whole process, I don't. I think it's
based on name recognition and how much money it can
pull in. Because after COVID, you'll recall Texas A and
M had an excellent season and the Ohio State only

(32:21):
played six games and they gave them the birth at
the playoffs and not Texas A and M. And Jimbo
was righteously pissed. I mean, I remember he was very
angry about it, and everybody was very upset about it,
and even even people like the SEC commentators and ESPN

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there were like, that makes absolutely no sense. They only
played six games. Yeah, sure they won all six, but
A and M only had I think we only had
We played twelve games, only had two losses, and we
had a full season. Ohio State didn't, but they got
the birth and we didn't, and it was all about

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how much money can you bring in?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
So pretty much, yeah, it's ridiculous, but at least, I
mean with the bracket it kind of dilutes some of
that issue and then you actually do have to go
out and perform, so I welcome that aspect of it.
So yeah, it's going to be you know, probably the

(33:30):
teams in the position of like nine through twelve is
where the bitching's going to be. And it's just like
if you just had lost one fewer game, you'd be
in so quit it.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's found to happen. I have heard some
people saying it doesn't matter how undefeated Texas A and
M is, they're still not good enough to be in
the playoffs because we are just Texas A and M
and we don't have a great blah blah blah and
all that stuff. And I'm like, you will never find

(34:00):
people that you're going to please all the time. It's
just not going to happen, especially in football, especially in
a bracket racket like the one that we have with
the with the ranking system. So whatever we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
It's uh, it's just fun to argue over. Speaking of arguing.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I do that well because I'm Hispanic.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
No, you don't.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Whatever you know, I do. Go on.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Apparently the younger generations are having a tough time in
the dating pool. The way it works is, according to
Vice News, that women I love it when they do this,
by the way, Oh yeah, it's all women.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
By the way, it's always women.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Why women are done with dating? I mean, uh, okay,
if that's your claim the fame here, what the hell
are you claiming.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
I can't wait for you to tell us.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Well, the issue is they're done with it because of mankeeping.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I just I gotta breathe.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Researchers at Stanford have Finally I love that too. Oh fine, yeah,
because there was just this crowd of people clamoring for
somebody to put a name to this social problem. Finally,
given a name to something many women have been dealing
with for years. It's called man keeping, and it's helping
explain why so many women are stepping away from dating altogether.

(35:54):
So you're probably saying, what in the living hell are
you talking about? What's mankeeping? Well, it describes the emounctional
labor women end up doing in heterosexual relationships. It goes
beyond remembering birthdays or coordinating social plans. It means being
your partner's one man support system, managing his stress, interpreting

(36:18):
his moods, holding his hands through feelings he won't share
with anybody else. And this is my favorite takeaway, and
all of it, all of it unpaid.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Do you do you want me to rent? Because this
is how you get me to rent? All right?

Speaker 3 (36:42):
I know I'm probably the last person they want discussing this,
largely because I'm a man, and also largely because I'm
willing to say what a bunch of horseshit all of
this is. But I'm going to weigh in any way
Vice News just to help you guys out what you
describe here, all of this, you know, being there for

(37:06):
your partner, being a support system, managing their stress, interpreting
their moods. We used to call that being in a relationship.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
That kind of is what you do. But there's so
much too untruck here, and by god, I'm going to
untruck it.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Okay, the truck sacked up, Let it go, rab.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Rap the tailgate and put the ramp out because there's
a lot coming. The every single thing that they just
described here is like, oh, I got to be a support.
Welcome to what men have been dealing with since about
hang on forever forever. Yep, Okay, I've been with women

(38:05):
my entire life, so yeah, that's part of it. That's
that's just.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Welcome to a day ending and why yeah, pretty much
your last man standing in your house.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
And the you know they're bitching about it was like,
oh my god, I get a van environment. He always
wants to talk and okay, childish horseship and you know,
get the hell out of my face, go grow up
and deal with your stuff. I want to say all
of that. Here's what really is going on, though, is

(38:41):
I've been hearing for a generation, if not longer, about
toxic masculinity. I've been hearing about men who don't open up.
He doesn't have his feelings. He never talks, he doesn't
express himself. He's so closed off, he's afraid of his
feeling all of that bullsh Now, they have, over the

(39:04):
last generation, cultivated a new crop of beta males who
are in touch with their feelings. And I'm an avowed
feminist and every other bull crap anti male conditioning they
have inflicted upon the gender to the supplicate idiots who

(39:28):
brought into it, and now they're pissed off with the result.
Oh my god, he's emotional. I thank god, he's needy,
and he's only wants me. And bitch, you asked for this.
What do you want me to say? You told these
kids since middle school that, you know, being a male,

(39:51):
being tough, hanging with the guys. That's disgusting. Okay, here
you go. Now you're dating a newed Hamster. What do
you think about it?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Well, I got opinions.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Go for it. I need to take a breath.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
No, you're absolutely right. For years, the feminist movement has
been screeching about toxic masculinity. They've been screeching about how
they need men that are in touch with their feelings.
As you said, they wanted men who would actually be

(40:42):
more feminine. They wanted to get away from the patriarchy.
They wanted to destroy the patriarchy, whatever that is. Yes,
we do have a patriarchal society. There are several matriarchal societies,
but that will get into later. They don't work the

(41:02):
way they think matrial societies work, so you've got to
take that with a grain of salt. But the thing
here is one of what I saw when I read
that whole list was that you and I have both
been married, not to each other, but you know, gone

(41:23):
through the whole marriage thing. And I don't know if
anybody else has been married in a church, but in
the civil even if you jped it, you know they
have the whole for better or worse, and sickness and
health richer or poor. They have that spiel for a reason,
because marriage is a contract between two beings that are

(41:47):
saying I'm going to be there for you no matter
what you are my person, and I will take care
of you. When you enter into a contract like this,
and I use the word contract instead of marriage, when
you enter a partnership of that magnitude, you are prepared
to give seventy eighty percent and not even expect twenty

(42:09):
percent back. That is what that partnership is. You're supposed
to give of yourself all you can to that other person,
expecting nothing in return because you love that person and
you're pretty sure that the person is going to do
the same thing for you.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
At that point, you want to do that without getting paid.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
That's another thing. They think that this is a therapy session,
and no it's not. That's what life is. You're supposed
to support each other. You're supposed to be there for
each other. The thing that these women are not actually
telling this person when they're being interviewed or whatever, is
that they bitch to them about their days two and everything.

(42:54):
They don't tell that interview person, that person who is
actually making the opinion piece, that they actually do the
same thing to them. They're just complaining that the guy
does it to them and they don't want that. But
here's the other flips out of the point. For years,
they have cultured this beta male, as you said, and

(43:19):
what they now want is the toxic masculinity back. They
want the guy that is in charge. They want him
because they took away their friends. They said, oh, I
don't like your friends. You need better friends. You gotta
you can't have toxic friends like that. Women did that
to men. I know. I have two sisters that did

(43:40):
that to their to their boyfriends early on. Not that
they married those guys, mind you, but they did that.
And I have seen where women have said I don't
like your friends, you need to stop seeing them, and
men will drop their friends because they think that this
is the one. They think that this woman is worth

(44:01):
dropping their friends. I got into it with my sister
over this because she was, you know, she was demanding
that of her boyfriend, and I was like, you can't
dictate who his friends are, and if you have an
issue with his friends, then you have an issue with
him too, because they're friends for a reason. She ended

(44:24):
up marrying him anyway, and got divorced two years later. Yeah,
I'm like, I mean, it was right there. I tried
telling her, she doesn't listen, but.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
You know, I'm more of the type to avoid this outright.
Like when I was going through my divorce and started dating,
I was in you know, a brief relationship. We were
together for a while, was going well, and then she
started playing games.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Oh I gotta hear this, you gotta call me later.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
But go ahead, just I mean briefly, just like I
came over. I think it was like on a Friday
after work, and I don't know what she was going her,
but she's just like, no, no, you can't go home,
just stay, just stay. And I was like, oh, fine,
you know. And then the next day it's like, no, no,
I really want you to stay here. I'm having such
you know this and that, and so for like three
days straight it was us, no complaints, okay, we're having

(45:14):
good time. And all of a sudden, like Monday turns around,
she's like, okay, you're here all the time. I need
my space. Literally, like Monday said that, And I looked
at her, was like, what are you talking about the
only reason I was here? But you're always hearing you.
I just I need breathing room and you're on me,
and it's like by your request. It's like, oh, you're

(45:36):
just gonna do whatever it is. I said, like whatever
response I had, she was bitching about it.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
She was done with you. Well I just looked I
say it, but she was done with you.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Well me first, I was like, so you're serious. She's like,
I just need that room. I just need space, okay, Thursday,
the phone starts blowing up. She's like, I haven't heard
from you, and where are you at. What's going on?

(46:09):
I was like, well, you said you needed space. She's like, well,
I know, but what does that mean? What do you mean?
I was like, well, consider me NASA and I was done,
what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Wow? She was not exactly a rocket scientist.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
So, I mean, you know, literally by that age is
there is We're not in high school. Okay, if you're
going to be like this, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
So it's not It's not just that it's cultural. It's
also genetic. Men are geared to be protectors. Men are
geared to have certain skills in the emotional department, in
the communications department, in the relationship department. Women have different skills.

(47:00):
For example, take me, I am I love serving people.
I love to host. I love to I mean I
will cook for them, I will fix cocktails, I will
do this. Hell, I would even bring my dad his slippers. Okay,
that is how attentive I am to but something somebody needs.

(47:23):
And for me, it was a gift I was giving others.
I do that for my family, I do that for
my husband, I do that for my friends. I don't
think of it in terms of payback. I don't expect
them to do the same. And the fact that women
are expecting payment for it is alarming because they don't

(47:51):
want a relationship. If they wanted a relationship, they would
work on themselves first.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
I mean, they're approaching it like a business arrangement, of
which makes no damn sense.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
But there was another beyond that to me anyway.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
When did this come out? This was, yeah, this summer,
I want to say, yeah, July. So. One columnist at
The New York Times also she had a she had
a therapy session in print regarding the dating scene as well.
She was upset with what she called hetero fatalism because, yeah,

(48:44):
we have to go there, the trouble with wanting a man.
That was the title of this and not that she
was saying, but she was, you know, basically talking about
the travail she's going through. Now I understand, first off,
this is a woman that's basically lending advice and interpersonal device.

(49:05):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I just wanted to show you I do have it
hanging up. Thank you so much. This is one of
Brad's gifts, y'all. My birthday, A clock a silly walks clock.
I gotta tell you how often I've been looking at
it because I want to see his legs. But see,

(49:28):
I have it hanging up right next to my laptop.
I said I would, and I did.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Totally works.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
And the skulls in the kitchen. Trust me, it's got
knives in it and everything.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Oh I want to see a picture of that.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I'll post a picture and trust me.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
So the part I enjoy about this is, you know,
she's she's trying to walk us through the realities of
dating now and relationships. And she's going to be the
expert on it. Oh, by the way, just got out
of a divorce.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Mm hmm, I might that's track.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Call me a little dubious on taking advice from you
at the moment. I'm just gonna say it. But her
pretty much going through therapy because she's dating now and
having trouble. This is the part I love, though. I
think I can pin down the reason for her hetero fatalism.

(50:23):
So she describes that she in fact does have a
type of man that she's looking for. He is gentle,
goofy self deprecating, rather deferential. So far, okay, you know
that works Okay, I understand the personality type. You can

(50:44):
go for that. She goes on, However, he's a passionate humanist.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
A humanist, yeah, okay, A.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Sweet guy, a good guy. He tends to signal in
various ways his exemption from the tainted category of quote men.
I have a question I was under understanding, and well,

(51:17):
you know, given that you have a master's degree in people,
you could probably back this up. For me. I thought
men were humans. So if you're going.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Last checking, you know, last I checked men were human.
But he and I will say this, it has been
my distinct experience, at least in the past twenty years,
that men have been more human than women.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Well, you know, in different ways. I'm not here to
cast judgments necessarily on that.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
All I'll judge. I'll judge a shit out of that,
But go ahead.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Well, I mean i'll judge in you know, like this
batcrap crazy catwoman writing in a column in the New
York Times. I'll judge her, for sure. But she goes
on and says, it's perfectly understandable that he would wish
to do so. It must be mildly embarrassing to be
a straight man. And it is incumbent upon each of

(52:19):
them to mitigate this embarrassment in a way that feels
authentic to him. I don't even know what that means.
It must be embarrassing to him to be a straight guy,
and incumbent upon him to mitigate that embarrassment that feels

(52:42):
authentic to him. So I still love that. This is
my takeaway. He tends to signal his exemption from the
tainted category of men. This is the kind of guy
she's looking for. So she wants a man who doesn't

(53:05):
want to be a man.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Well, that and and that circles back to the whole
you know, we don't want men to be men thing,
but we want the qualities that men had before we
didn't want them to be men to be there anyway.
This is this is the issue that I had with
that whole.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
She just described a girlfriend.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Yeah, but are you gonna say, by her standards, David
Hogg is too manly?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, And that's saying a lot. But you know, that
was one of the things when Jeff and I were
discussing our picks for Juck Stober for a Spirit of books,
and I got the you know, the Chip of Cobra book.
All of The qualities that that girl wanted in that

(54:01):
monster were qualities that women had thrown away because of
toxic masculinity, that they had forced men to give up.
The whole gallantry, the courtship, the chivalry, opening doors, pulling
out a chair, you know, ordering for them, that kind

(54:21):
of all of that stuff. They wanted that gone because
I was part of the patriarchy. And now women are like, oh,
I don't want I don't want to deal with man keeping.
They're not dealing with man keeping. What they're doing. What
they're bitching about is the fact that they actually have
to put an effort on a relationship and they don't
want that. They want it to be one way just

(54:44):
for them, because they are selfish, narcissistic assholes. That's what
women have become. I know, I see them everywhere. I
see them every day, and we see all we all
see it online. Welliam, but maybe the Cosmo talking but
not really.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
The part I love, though, is the basic message this
New York Times writer is delivering is that the problem
is that any men that adhere to masculinity are ruining
straight relationships. So you, in order to appease this woman,

(55:22):
have to disavow being a man and do so genuinely.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
But then you have to have manly traits.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
And you have to mitigate the embarrassment. Well, no, she
never asked for manley traits.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
No, but that's her whole bitching is that she has
to take care of a guy.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Well this is here.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Oh yeah, that's the other article.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
This is the prequel. This came in the summertime. So
this is like what led into mankeeping. So this is like,
I just want a man who disavows his manhood and
controls the embarrassment he feels for being a man. Well,
guess we're not going on a second date.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
You know. I never believed that there was toxic masculinity.
I come from a culture that is strongly, strongly believe
it's very chauvinistic. Machoism is a thing. I get it.
I was raised with it. I learned to deal with it,

(56:26):
and when I came to the States, it was kind
of surprising that I didn't see it everywhere. It was
nice that I didn't. I still deal with it with
my relatives. Don't get me wrong, but even the concept
of machoism is not as bad to deal with as

(56:47):
the concept of feminism. The toxic feminism that we have today.
And the reason I say that is that even macho
men know their limits and they know that there are
some things that they cannot ask a woman to do.
They know that there are some things that a woman

(57:07):
will do for them without asking. And they also know
that women have certain value. And that is not something
that you can say about feminism when it comes to masculinity.
Feminists don't value men. They keep saying that we can
live without them. They say that they have no worth.

(57:28):
This is the result of it. You have women are saying, Oh,
I don't want a man keep And I'm like, that's
because you don't want to put in the work. You
don't want to put in the work for a relationship.
Every relationship requires work. I don't care if it's a
marriage or a friendship.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Well, I'm going to run the risk of man's plaining here.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Oh please do. I always enjoy it when you're man's playing.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
But the main thing to take away from that is
I I don't care, dude. What we're dealing with here
is an offshoot of feminism I've witnessed for four years
and they refuse to listen to me. Is that they
have it in their head that they want to oppose
manhood and all that. But all they ever do is

(58:16):
point to worst case examples like the frat house animal,
or like you talked about the machio men in a
culture and such, and the people that you know, the
men that degrade women and resort the misogyny and stuff.
They always point to those examples and then attribute that

(58:38):
to all men instead of looking at individuals. And so
they have it in their head that all men are
cave men and assholes and nasty and treatmentmen like crap.
And then if you hold the door open for them,
they lose their ever loving.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Mind, and then they get pissed off when you don't.
They want it both ways.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
You if there's like a feminist and you know they're feminist,
and you walk in ahead of them and don't hold
the door open for you're going to hear about it, yes,
but hold the door open and let her pass through
exactly you're going to hear about it.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
They will never be satisfied. They are harpies that are
continuously grievous, and their need to actually be upset about
something that's their driving force. This is why you cannot
reason with them. You cannot argue with them, You cannot
tell them where they're wrong.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
And you know what I do, I don't ignore them. Yes,
So now you know whenever I encountered feminists and you're like,
I may talies, I was like, save your breath, you
don't have to. I'm going to go to the bar bye.
And it's just literally it's not easy because because then
they don't get the rage. And then I'm just like

(59:53):
a typical man. Well, if I stand here and listen
to your lecture about being a typical, what's the difference.
So at least over there there's beer, you know, and
that's the way you have to treat it. You're not
going to a piece of feminist so don't even try.
And if you're in the dating game and this kind

(01:00:13):
of crap happens like I experienced years ago, and she's like,
you know, don't leave me, don't leave me. Oh my god,
you're always here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I am so glad that I was never that kind
of a woman. As a matter of fact, I'm still
friends with my ex boyfriend from high school and he
sometimes he will actually tell me, you know, I can't
believe I passed up a good thing because my wife
just stelled at me, and I'm like, I yell too, honey,

(01:00:40):
I yell a lot. But you know, I've had the
good fortune that there have been some guys that I've
dated that have actually said, you taught me what to
look for in a prospective wife. And I'm like, I
am so happy that I did that for you because

(01:01:02):
it was in a positive way. I could have taught
them what to avoid. That would have been bad. But
I've actually, you know, there was this one guy that
I knew in Dallas when I worked there. He worked
in the same mall that I did, and we had
a couple of dates, but we figured out, you know,

(01:01:24):
we're better office friends or whatever, and so we would
hang out and we would have lunch every so often
whenever our schedule's allowed, we go to the mall food
court or whatever. And I saw him like five years later.
I had moved, I had gone to Houston, but I

(01:01:45):
was in town for my best friend's wedding, and so
I was in the mall shopping for something and he
had gotten a promotion. He was actually the manager of
the store at the time. And I walked in and
I was like, Hey, how's it going, And everything, and
he was like, you are not going to believe this.
I'm married and I'm like what, And I was like,
I was so happy. I was thrilled. And he paid

(01:02:09):
me one of the biggest compliments that I can recall,
he said, going out with you those couple of times,
I found out the kind of woman I wanted to marry,
and I happier to thank for it. And I was like,
I looked at him, I was like, is that a
good thing or is that a bad thing? He could
have gone either way, I'll be honest, he could have
gone anither way. He's like, no, no, I learned from

(01:02:32):
you and I can't thank you enough. And I was like,
oh my gosh. And we still in touch, you know,
we're friends on social media and everything. And he's got
a lovely family and his wife is just a jewel
and everything. And it made me feel good to know
that I had actually influenced somebody in a positive way

(01:02:53):
to find their partner in life and everything. But I've
seen I've seen the other side of the coin with
with women that are friends of mine that i've that
i've that I've known, And there was one, you know,
my manager as a matter of fact, she was not
the kind of woman anybody would want to marry. She

(01:03:14):
was out for what she could get and she was
like it was all about status, it was all about money,
and it was I mean, it was bad, you know.
And this is this is what where women are at
right now. They want to be taken care of, but
they don't want to put in the work to take
care of somebody. That's what the man keeping thing is about.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Yeah, it's two way street and all that. And I
mean pretty much for me, it all just comes down
to respect. If you just respect each other, it's going
to happen naturally. So that's like why I ditched, you know,
the Redhead when she started playing the games that she's
doing this and then on social media we had you know,
mutual friends and stuff, and she's like, oh my god,

(01:03:56):
I just got rid of my stalker. And I was like,
are you fucking kidding me? Really called me a stalker?

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Stalker?

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Redhead was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Sign.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Yeah, Well I saw the warning flags go up when
one day, I uh was looking at the Redhead. Is
she what's that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Your wife is not a red head? No? Right, no,
but she does have reddish coloring. She would look fine
as a redhead. I got it, I got it met.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Well, So she colors it sometimes that way. She goes
in the brown hues and sometimes to the red.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
No, I'm serious, she would look stunning in the reds
because she does have reddish coloring.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
So the day I went for some Adville and I
saw like four prescription bottles in the medicine cabinet, redhead.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Walk away.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
I was like, I'm gonna go to the army surplus
store and get a kevlar jacket next. And she started
playing his nonsense and I was just like writing on
the walls and I'm not God. And then you know,
that day she's texting me like forty, I don't know
why you have to be like this. You know, every

(01:05:11):
time I break up with somebody, we still remain friends.
You know, all my exes I'm friends with. I was
sorry to rule your perfect record. I mean, I don't
know what do you want me to say?

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Well, if I can interject a second after my second divorce,
might mind you. My mom is a redheaded, blue eyed
Irish woman. She said, you know, so sorry about your divorce.
I still hope someday you will find a woman like
you used to say, you always want it to me.
I said, Mom, that's the problem. I found two of them,

(01:05:40):
like you, I need to stay away from that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
No Ah, Well, I mean I think every man has
to in his life go through the experience of having
his heart busted by a redhead. I mean that's just uh,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
I'll be able to break your heart.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Sorry, it's already happened. Okay, gone through it. That's that's
what I was just describing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
So and he touched a bullet and you didn't need
the Klevler to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Yeah. I mean, I there's certain things I could tolerate,
but when it's that level of disrespect, it was like
checking checkout time. I'm done. And I even ran into her.
I think it was like a couple of years later.
I was I was working and she happened to be
in the establishment and she's like, oh oh hi. I

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was like, how you doing. I was cordial, but that
was it, and I was going about my work and
then she ended up leaving. She's like, so, so I'm
going now, and she kept waiting for like a reaction
or something. I was like, okay, you know, good scene.
Back to work, Okay, I'm I'm leaving by bye, okay,
like she was waiting for its like I missed you,

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so Martin, no bullshit, get out here. I'm done. It's
just like I've got self respect, so when you don't
respect me like that? Done. You know it was pretty
much over roll credits.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Well okay, uh so I don't think I don't think
we have a good segue to this, but you know,
I'm Catholic.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Wait next, you're gonna tell me your Puerto Rican Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yeah, that's too and a female, so that's a trifecta.
But yeah, we've been having a serious issue in the
Catholic Church and this past Sunday it was kind of
driven home to me. And I mean, I bitched that
you about this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
I didn't write a letter.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
I know, my bishop sent out a letter and y'all, well,
I can't tell you how upset I was about this
because there was an outright lie in the letter from
a bishop and it made me really upset. I go
to Mass every Sunday, and at Mass, our priests actually

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read this letter and he said that it was available
in Spanish and in English for us to take home.
So I took it home. I was very upset during Mass,
and I ended up. I was so upset that I
decided not to tithe that day. And I'm very regular
with my tithing, but I couldn't bring myself to tithe

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because the tithe was going to go to the Catholic Charities,
and there has been an issue with the Catholic Charities
that has come forth ever since the USAID money dried up.
This letter was actually a letter that was written on

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the prospect of being nice instead of being good. And
let me tell you there's a difference. There's a difference
between being nice and being good. Sometimes you have to
do the good and people will hate you for it.
Being good does mean that you have to reject evil.

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Being good does mean that you actually have to take
a stand on your faith. Being nice doesn't cover that.
Being nice means that you have to, you know, do
something nice for someone else, regardless of where you stand
on your faith. Being nice means that you have to
embrace what they tell you is you know, for the

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good of you know, the greater good or.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
What being nice?

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Yes, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
One of the things that was on this letter they
began talking about the diocese that my church is connected
to is out here in northeast Texas, and the diocese
has seen that there have been some mass arrescent deportations

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in that area. And so this statement was about the
concerns over immigration because there is going to be a
ramping up of the detension and deportation of immigrants. They
did not say illegal immigrants. They said immigrants. That was

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the first thing that I saw in that letter. They
actually the letter was more of an appeal to your
emotional being. So we have to protect the immigrants because
the immigrants do so much for us, blah blah blah.

(01:11:05):
So many are living in fear, fear of separation. Never
mind that if you commit a dui and you're a
citizen in the United States, you're going to be separated
from your family, you know, So, I mean, you know
that kind of thing. But one of the things that
struck out, I mean was that they're here as a

(01:11:26):
matter of survival, life or death type of thing, right,
And I'm like, well, some of these immigrants are coming
in from other countries than Mexico and they've never asked
for asylum. I mean, I keep saying, we in Texas
have twenty eight ports of entry where you can ask

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for asylum. You fill out paperwork and then it has
to be processed. But you can literally come into the country,
seek asylum and put in the paperwork for it. In
Texas alone, we have twenty eight ports where you can
do this. Most of them choose not to do it.
Most of them choose to come in illegally. Why because

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it's more convenient. And if you seek asylum. Guess what,
you don't get any of the benefits. That's the dirty secret,
the open secret that everybody knows about. You will not
get as many benefits as you would as an illegal immigrant.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
So that right there should be the biggest red flag
that you are not just encouraging but rewarding illegal behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Correct. So here's the Catholic Chech Church saying that the
immigrants have lived here. Not once in this letter are
they referred to as being illegal. So there's a disconnect
between the mass deportations and the fact that they're immigrants.
They're not connecting the two with the word illegal. Okay,
they have lived here, working in homes, in restaurants and hotels,

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in landscaping and highway construction, harvesting crops in the brutal sun,
working dangerous jobs in slaughterhouses and meatpacking plants. Many have
done this with no pathway to legal status, living in
the shadows, paying taxes, contributing to the life of communities
and parishes. Part of the richness of the Catholic Church

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in this diocese.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Now here's how are they paying taxes?

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
That was my question, and I did ask my priests,
and my priest said he didn't know. I'll give him credit.
He was like a little confused about the whole thing.
Is his job, he has to read it out. I
mean he's directed by the diocees. He's going to have
to do it well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
I mean, I've read this letter, and you know you've
touched on one aspect of it, and that is you know,
we're the thing that struck me about it. It was all
in one direction. It was it was yes, like you
said in matter of guilt, like you have to support
these people. You were supposed to help them out. You're
supposed to be a Christian, treat them the right way.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
There was no acknowledgment though, of them not following the law,
and that is problematic coming from church leadership where they
are exactly effectively encouraging misbehavior.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Here's another thing in the piece that I just read
out loud. No pathway to legal status. That's an outright lie.
There is a pathway to legal status. There's always been
a pathway to legal status. You do have to pay,
there is fees, there are fees associated with it. But

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if you really want to do this, there are ways
that you can get financial aid to get this done.
Did you know that. I didn't know that, but I
found out, Well, you can get financial aid for this.
Then comes the really big lie in the whole thing.
And this is what really pissed me off. And I

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was struggling, I Brad, I cannot tell you how I
was struggling, because I was sitting in church listening to this,
and I'm going my bishop just lied to everybody in
this church. He said, we also prepare soon during Advent
for the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh himself

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an immigrant. Jesus was not an immigrant. Jesus was not
an immigrant. And I'm just like, I'm appalled that this
was written. It really hurt because I am I'm Catholic
and my shake my faith is unshaken, but I don't

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have faith in men who direct this church and it's
really weird. And I know that this is gonna sound cookie,
But after reading this, I was online. I was on
social media and a real came up with Mel Gibson,

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of all people, and Mel Gibson is talking about how
there's a second he feels there's a secondary church, that
there is a movement of foot afoot to actually break
the Catholic Church. And I'm like, I have a bishop
that outright lied at least three times in this letter.

(01:16:33):
I mean, I'm like, you can't say, especially Jesus himself
an immigrant. What, No, he wasn't an immigrant. You're reading,
you're reading the Gospels. You know that Jesus wasn't an immigrant.
They were just coming in for the census. They were
coming from one state to another state. That's pretty much
what they were doing. They were still in the Roman Empire.
And I just I was like, he's not an immigrant.

(01:16:56):
Where are you getting this stuff from?

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Well, to be honest, I'm not defending the letter, but
it sounded to me almost not that it was an
open letter, but it's one that was like shared and
it felt like it was pulled off the Internet or
something like a lot of different.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
I think it was it came from I want to
say it was the USCCB, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops,
which is tied to the Catholic Charities, which has a
big issue because the spigot with the USAID dried up
and they have been very upset about that. And here's

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the thing. They have been telling me, Oh, we need
to donate for the Catholic Charities because they take care
of all the immigrants. They never say illegal first of all.
And I'm like, I don't mind giving money to the
Catholic Charities. I don't, But why can't you take that
money to those countries and use it there. Why does

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the open border be a big deal and you have
to bring them illegal immigrants in here in order to
help them. Why can't you help them in their host
in their actual countries? And nobody has ever given me
an answer. I've asked, I've asked, I've asked my mon
signior in my former parish, I asked my priest and

(01:18:16):
my former My priest in my former parish was really cool.
I'm pretty sure he was open. He he was concealed
carry during the whole you know, mass and everything. But
even he didn't have an answer. He didn't know, and
he said, I couldn't tell you. It doesn't make any
sense to me. For me, it makes sense to help

(01:18:37):
them in their hot in their actual countries. But we've
never been told why it has to be here, and
I've never I've never been able to figure out why
it has to be here. It's and and to me,
the only thing that makes sense is that it's a
huge grift. And everybody says the same thing. And you
don't have to be Catholic to even notice it. That's

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the sad part. Sular people know it. I Atheists, people
who are agnostic, people who are Episcopalian, Baptist, whatever, they
noticed this. So you know, if it's that obvious, there's
a big problem. But now you have today, Actually Pope
Leo came out and was walking back some of what

(01:19:20):
he said, which actually instigated this whole letter, and you know,
so maybe there's maybe maybe maybe he's seeing that. Oh yeah,
I think I think we overstepped, but who knows, well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
I think, And it's kind of odd to say this
about church leadership, but going back to Francis pretty much,
I don't I'm not I'm giving Leo kind of a
grace period still, but it really strikes me that they've
been leading in the Vatican from the standpoint of emotion,
not based in doctrine and not based in fact. It's like, well,

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we're some supposed to help the immigrants, We're supposed to
help Okay, these are people breaking in and you know,
it's one thing to invite your brother into your home
and take him in. It's another for them to climb
in through a window and then demand service. And I
don't know of any church doctrine that would support that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
That is one of my favorite statues. I'm not gonna lie.
I love that thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Was that from Dogma?

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Yeah, I think it's Dogma?

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Yeah called it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
But yeah, that's That's the part I find really bizarre
is that, you know, and yeah, I mean, religion does
have its measure of emotional fervor, but at the same time, doctrine,
you know, that was always the underpinning of the Church.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
It's just well, ever since, I want to say ever
since Benefict to this day, people are still figuring trying
to figure out what it was that he retired, but
he never left and like I said, there's a break
in the Catholic church. We don't acknowledge it, but there

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is a division in the Catholic Church, and Francis was
not exactly the most Catholic of all popes in my opinion. Leo, Leo,
you know, he's still in his ninety day probational period,
not really ninety day, but you know, he's still probationary period.

(01:21:35):
But I think, you know, the whole blessing of the
climate change thing, I don't know what he was thinking
about doing that. That has absolutely no bearing on Catholic
teaching or doctrine. So no idea, no idea, but anywhere.

(01:21:56):
We're up at nine o'clock and there is man Arama tonight.
So I guess our Ai story can wait till next
week because it's a very.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Interesting story, well two of them. But the end of
humanity can wait another week.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
I think, Yeah, yeah, we can just postpone the end
of humanity for another.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
Not that we're promoting it, but I'm just saying it's
it's impending.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Maybe by then my album will have over two hundred
thousand views that I help help.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Okay, yeah, well, we'll definitely drag you in for this discussion.
I'll tell you, I'll tell you the links too so
but anyway, so Brad, tell us where we can find you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
I am daily over at townhall dot com with my
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(01:23:00):
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You can find me a thirty pm Eastern Tuesday nights
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I bring the drink of the evening for that one.
And last, but not least, Jeff, our beloved producer, and

(01:23:45):
I have a book podcast called Spirited Books where we
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I'm never gonna let that down. And that one is
at a thirty pm first Monday of every month. So

(01:24:08):
thanks for joining us everyone. We hope you have a
great evening. I'm gonna go drink.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Yes, go raise the glass. Look at the ceiling.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
I'm looking at the ceiling.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
The time that day

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Not good