January 28, 2024 • 39 mins
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Mike and Matt bring you episode 230 of The Coin Show! We will cover the news in numismatics, and check out our coolest thing! Support the show by hitting that like button, becoming a subscriber, or becoming a supporter!
Matt's coin shop: www.LDRcoins.com
Mikes' coin shop: www.HJBLTD.com
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This is the Coin Show podcast,the show about coins and coin collecting,
and not just any show. Thisis the number one coin collecting podcast going
ten years strong. Here's Matt Dingerand Mike Notleman on the Coin Show podcast.
And this is episode what episode isit? Two hundred and thirty two
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three zero two three zero two thirtyof the Coin Show Podcast. I am
Mike, I am Matt. Goodto see you guys. It is always
good to see you guys. Andwe are gonna do the coolest thing between
me and Matt. It's always funand highly competitive, at least it used
to be. We're gonna have tofix that. Hey, guys, you
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know hook me up. It's likeyou got your boy, Mike. The
people have spoken. My friend,I don't know what to tell you whatever.
I used to have the coolest thingall the time. So anyways,
so we're gonna do that. MaybeMatt will have some wisdom to share to
share with us. Uh maybe not? What first? As always the news?
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Okay, so you said you havebeen in a creative mood lately and
came up with a bunch of sponsorsfor the show. So which one are
you picking tonight to be talking aboutit. I have been out there working
beating the street. I found fourbrand new sponsors for our news. Gotcha
act like I make this stuff up. You're right, I'm sorry. I
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apologize and you gotta you gotta workthe a bit dude, right. The
Listeners is brought to you by Shoelaces. A blessing Anna cur since antiquity.
Oh that's good, so, Matt, A colossal I mean, a huge
seven kilo gold commemorative coin from theRoyal Mint has been sold. I always
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thought that these things were like museumpieces. It's is just one of those
because you can type deals, isn'tit. You know, there's a word,
there's a term I want to usethat I won't because we're a family
show. But the fact of thematter is is that, yes, yes,
somebody definitely slammed it down. Thisis this is seven thousand pounds of
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legal tender. You know. It'slike, so, oh, well,
maybe they sold it because it's gotQueen Elizabeth on it. I don't know.
Yeah, I mean it's a platinumJubilee coin. Sorry, I'm just
figuring out how many ounces of goldit is. Two hundred and twenty five
point zero five ounces of gold totwenty five of two thousand an ounce,
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that's four hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yeah. So so it brought six
hundred and sixty thousand, which meansit brought a significant premium to the gold
that was just well an what's theminutge number on it? Probably one two?
Yeah. So so stax Bowers isproud to have represented Yeah another proud
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to have taken the money. AndI would have been too. The buyer's
premium. Yeah, Canada has releasedthe latest range of premium bullion gold and
silver maple leafs. So are commemoratingthree things. It's it's the year of
the Dragon. That's the lunar calendar. It's the year of the Dragon.
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Okay, so you can get aprivy mark on your maple leafs gold and
silver with either a polar bear,fireworks or a dragon. Now, as
for what they show in the articleand what they give you to look at,
they show you the fireworks, andthey show you the polar bear.
I was kind of hoping it wasa dinosaur. It's not the dragon anywhere
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except for the very the very top, and you've got to like really enlarge
it to see it. It sayshover to zoom, but I hover and
there's no zoom, so it's notreally that zoomed. Thanks to me a
lot of idea as to what thiscoin looks like, but I do know
what the other side, you know, it's like, you know what it
looks like. And here I thinkwe get our first real shot of coins
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with His Majesty from the Commonwealth,because it's definitely different than the UK portrait.
So they've now seems like they've actionedhis nose rather than his ear on
this particular tension away from it.You know, they had to do that
so that the coins would strike upbecause it was just so deep. Yes,
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if I get them to say it'sbig nose, I can prove them
wrong. Yeah. So these willbe available in UH one, ten thousand
gold coins, wheile silver coins.The ten thous gold coin, I guess
is the It only comes with apolar Bear Privy mark, but the silver
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ones come with all three. Thereyou go. The United States and Britain
have done a coin and metal released. Yeah. We talked about this our
hangout the other night. Yes,and this is the US version of the
coin. What I felt was missingwas the was the UK version of the
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coin, and if you go acouple of slides forward you'll see it.
So okay, and the thing,I don't know. I looked at it
and I had kind of a dumbmoment because I looked at the US coins
and I'm like, okay, well'schose two sides to those, And I
looked at the Briton coin and I'mlike, well, only, oh yeah,
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it's the King on the other side. So it's only kind of a
Britanny and liberty. It's a thisis our coin, this is your coin.
You know, ours truly has adesign of Britannian liberty, so does
theirs. It does? I likeours a little better? Oh, I
kind of a. I mean they'revery similar. They're very very similar.
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So see if you like here,you can see ours and there's just a
flippy flop pretty much the same design. I mean, it's pretty cool.
You could truly call ours heads.Yes, sorry, that was really good.
That was I had to struggle outto squeak out of laugh at that
one. That was not good.So the United States meant, you know,
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as they sued their sales report rightfor the weekending twenty first, and
I found to be really interesting aboutthis was the number one sellar for the
week. Go back to the headline. What the number one seller for the
week is the the Morgan and PeaceSilver Tribute Dollar reverse proof set. So
they still got them? No,they haven't been available for a long time,
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so there must have been like eitherthe returns a bad credit card.
No, they don't sell the returns. Well, they might repackage them.
I don't know what's wrong with themis the packaging. I'm fairly sure they
do not sell any of the returncoins. I could be wrong, but
I've heard that somewhere and I thinkthat's true. But there is also a
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strong possibility that the ones that hadrejected credit cards or look at orders or
things like that amounted to thirty eightand they finally released them. I mean,
that's what I'm just curious about.It's like, you know, here
they are there, they're number oneseller for the week. Yeah, weird.
It hasn't been available for two fora month. Yeah that's crazy.
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Huh. Well there you go.The Mint works in mysterious ways, my
friend. Sure. Speaking of workingin mysterious way, Steve Perth Mint in
Australia has released their silver one ouncetwenty four theyated Cucku Burrows, but they
have a new reverse design. Yeah, because the out verse has his majesty,
so it has it actually has bothsides have been redesigned. Yeah.
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It kind of reminds me of theMexican coinage with a bird carrying the snake.
But yeah, it's definitely for sure. Well, yeah, he's running
away from the other side, Iguess. Yeah. And you know,
somebody made comment to me, Yeah, it's like this, this portrait looks
really weird. I still think they'retrying to figure out how to get him
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on a coin, like in away that kind of looks like him.
Because we've seen two of these differentportraits so far and they are vastly different.
But we've actually seen three now,have we Yeah, okay, there
one. Yeah that's true. They'reoh god, it's bad and it looks
like the Cucku bar is running away, flying away from it. That would
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be almost a fun like that wouldbe almost like a fun collection to put
together, just all the different coinsthat have him on them for the first
time all over the world. Seeall the different styles of portraits and which
ones are good, which ones arecartoonish, like this one kind of makes
them look like a zombie, alittle bit well smiling zombie. I mean
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it's kind of, you know,I don't know, it's weird, it's
weird. Yeah, his mouth isa little weird. I mean, I'm
a weird looking dude too. Butso don't get me wrong, I would
not go on a coin very welleither, but just saying well, I
mean we all have our yeah,deficiencies. I'm not I'm not incredibly fortunate
looking either, so what so oneof my customers had kind of brought this
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up that it surprised him that theBritish coins starting with Elizabeth stopped using the
Latin name yeah, but used Latinlegends. And it was thought because there
really isn't a there really isn't aLatin name for Elizabeth, yeah, and
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that when Charles became king would theygo to Carollas, which is what it
should be. And so again youhave a mixed legend of it's English and
it's Latin, and it's kind ofyou know, because Fid is defender of
the faith and Rex is king,you know, but that's also Latin.
So this is weird for me.It's it's real weird. All the way
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around a lot of weirdness in astory that was reported by World Coin News.
Now here's here's a little taste ofspicy mic for tonight. Okay,
go, well, I mean,this year's twenty twenty four US Native American
Dollar commemorates the Indian Citizenship Act ofnineteen twenty four. Wait, what the
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Indian Citizenship Act of nineteen twenty four? You know, A I didn't even
know of the Citizenship Act of nineteentwenty four, So you know, color
me surprised if that's actually a thingI would expect to. You know,
Look, the education of people aboutNative Americans is a great purpose for this
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this uh totally totally however, Okay, I would think that you would try
to find things that were positive.I mean, you're not going to do
one that has the trail of tearson it next year, are you?
Who knows? You know? Imean, this is like a little tone
deaf on the part of the Bentbecause okay, the Indian Citizenship Act was
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passed in nineteen twenty four by Congress, and it granted citizenship to all Native
Americans born in the United States onlylike three hundred years after we came and
took an off from we took everythingelse from you a week, you know
whatever. We made you live inthese certain places. But you know we're
gonna make you citizens. Yeah wowand yeah. But what they did was
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was the Citizenship Act was granted.Basically, the right to vote was governed
by state law until nineteen fifty seven. So whether federally given the right to
vote or not, they weren't allowedto vote until nineteen fifty seven. That's
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not because the state law just didn'tallow it. Yeah, I mean it's
kind of crazy. It's like,well, you guys could be citizens kind
of you know. It's one ofthose things where it's like, I think
the United States could be incredibly tonedeaf when it comes to dealing with the
indigenous population of you know, NorthAmerica. Yeah, they approved it time
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and time again. If you lookat I don't know that the Canadian government
is really any better, but theyseem to have incorporated indigenous people more in
to their society and into their uh, into their citizenry that ever have I
agree with that? Yeah, Aspicy mike. So I do kind of
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like the uh, yeah, whatis this a war staff? I don't
know what the hell I States flagin the background, you know. Anyway,
Yeah, moving on, Wow,the twenty twenty four American Innovation Dollar
images have been unveiled. Now mostpeople don't know that this series exists.
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Why this year we have Illinois,Alabama, Maine, and uh, Missouri.
And while you had a car wreck, we have farm implements. Yeah.
Well that's corn corner wheat and farmimplements. Weans soybeans here, yeah,
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yeah, we are huge in soybeans. There you go. Yeah,
Well, I'm talking about what's onthe coin not necessarily well, ye,
jam is kind of state of Mainehas the defibrillator. Yes, it's the
direct current defibrillator. Yeah, sodefibrillator is now on a US coin.
Awesome. Yeah, the Saturn fiverocket for Alabama. I like that design.
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That what Washington Carver is on yetanother coin, Yeah, from Missouri.
But now people might get an ideaof actually why it's on the coin
since it shows him doing his chemistry. It is never a bad idea to
kind of look some of these thingsup for yourself because everything you find out,
things like how about the American Indianand Citizenship Actor. Yeah, right,
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a good point. And so ifyou look at the next slide,
it's uh, it's the American InnovationDollar for Illinois and this has just a
much better you know, it's thesteel plow is the innovation that's wheat,
my friend. But yeah, thisis our coin and I kind of I
like it. The PNG is offeringa twenty twenty four yn scholarship and so
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they're going to have a competition forit. These are always great. I
always like to see this stuff.I like it. PNG is going to
cover airfare tuition for one of thetwo twenty twenty four Summer Seminar sessions meals
and dorms, so anybody between theages thirteen and twenty two are eligible to
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enter. There. You go toapply for the scholarship, but time is
short, so deadline for recipt ofthe entries is Friday, March twenty ninth
of twenty twenty four. Entries mustinclude the applicants name and contact information.
Entries can be sent by mail toinfo at Pngdealers dot org or by mail
to the PNG executive Director. Youcan look that one up on Google.
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Very good. Yeah, there aretwo separate ANA Summer Seminar four day sessions.
They're going to be in June sixteenththrough the nineteenth and twenty third to
twenty six that's what it is.For more information about de Summer Seminar,
go to money dot org. Speakingof which, twenty twenty four ANA College
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Scholarships are available to young collectors.Also a good thing, good job Jerome
Walton Memorials College Scholarship. It wasestablished in twenty fourteen to provide a graduating
high school senior who is also anANA member with one thousand dollars you use
at their you know, at wheneverthey choose to. So it's a it's
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a nice scholarship. It helps themout with whatever they need. And this
is another one that you have toapply for. So let's see, students
with a full class schedule, maintaina B average throughout their higher education can
receive one thousand dollars scholarship for upto four years. Are you good?
That's cool? Yeah, that's verycool. So besides holding a membership in
the a ANDA, applicants must bea graduating high school senior cumulative grade point
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average of at least eight point zero. The winning students may use the scholarship
at any two or four year college, university, or trade school. Within
the United States. Two letters ofreference must be sent on the applicant's behalf,
and the authors of the references maynot be family members. Reference letters
must be submitted by the person writingthe reference, not the scholarship applicant,
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and must be received at the Aand A by March fifteenth. Smart that's
a smart idea, let's see andstax Bowers Galleries announces a twenty twenty four
professional numismatist program. Stax Bowers isgoing to do a twenty twenty four professional
NW Missmstusts program between July fifteenth andnineteenth. Are going to bring people on.
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The mission statement is to provide practicaltools and build professional connections for the
next generation of young adult numismatists.Okay, led by Darren Hip and Greg
Roberts, Jason Carter, man Orsini, John pack Rick Ontario, Kyle Pontereo,
Peter Trelia and Aris Meridukaikus Nice Niceall stack screws out there erga daycas
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So is it a is it ascholarship or is it like an internship?
It's it's kind of a they're puttingon the school. Okay, So they're
gonna they're gonna bring you in fundedby sax Bowers, all expensive travel,
lodging, food, beverages, andentertainment provided by the firm upon acceptance to
the program. It'll take place inGriffin Studios, located in their worldwide headquarters
and coast to Mesa, California,allowing students to enjoy the best in Southern
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California has to offer with its diverserecreational environment for exceptional students, paid positions
and internships maybe available immediately. Oh, I like that. It's a little
farm, a little farm for town, little tout farm. I like it.
Dealers only pee NNG day for Mayone, twenty twenty four. For
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Central States, yep, I alwaystout Central States. You know why I
always touch Central States because it's liketwenty minutes from house. Because you're there,
I'm there, Our whole crew isthere. Here, the entire stats,
the entire crew is going to bethere. It's gonna be great.
So yes, it's it's set forMay first. So now we have dates.
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You can start making your hotel reservations, all that kind of stuff.
Be at the Central State Show.It's when you don't want to miss,
that's right. David Lawrence Rare Coinshas announced new red Carpet Rarities auction series
HMM. These have an extended bidfeature, whereas the clock is running down
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on it, if there is abid at the last minute, it extends
the clock so that there's no sniping. Yeah. I mean, there are
some people that love that, thereare some people that hate it. So
I just report the news. Yeah, yes, that's cool. It looks
like it's gonna be an online thing, so that's cool. And it's gonna
start closing every Thursday evening starting inFiuary. So cool, about one hundred
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coins each week. Registry stuff cool? I like it all right. So
Doug Davis, founder of the NumismaticCrime Information Center, has posted there are
suspects that are wanted in Anlanoi coinshoptheft. Another one, Yeah, this
one's got pictures. I always lovepictures. Yeah, and a suspect in
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New York issuing bad checks to coindealers. They give the aliases and the
addresses used coins lost stolen into mailin New Jersey to Maryland. I appreciate
this page, but god, Ihate seeing all this stuff. I hate
seeing it. Yes, so goto coinweek dot com check that out.
You know it's it's a really goodlist. If that's kind of stuff that
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is useful to you. I mean, as somebody that does this and buys
a lot of coins, obviously wehave to keep an eye on this stuff
A because we don't want to endup with stolen coins, and B we
don't want to end up with thepeople stealing our stuff in our store.
So I mean totally understand it.But gosh, it's just like every week
I get an email it's like soand so's car got broke into here,
this person had a home burglary.These people stole coins and jewelry from this
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place. It's like, ah,man, it's just it's just I just
don't like it, that's all.So coin Week is also reporting about the
gold and gold prices revolving around theconversion of gold coins into billion bars after
nineteen thirty three. So, forthose of you who are not aware,
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President Roosevelt recalled private gold ownership.It really didn't mean what a lot of
people thought, but yet it wascertainly it was certainly presented that way that
you needed to turn in all yourgold right and the government basically melted it.
They made it into bars, andthey revalued it. They completely just
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jacked the price of it. AndHerbert Hoover is actually the president that wanted
to knock down large amounts of holdingsin gold coin, so it wasn't even
really a Roosevelt thing. It startedas early as the Hoover administration. And
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so this article goes through and showsyou the gold coin value and you know,
February twenty eighth and nineteen thirty threegold coin value was the face that
was out in the market. Andhow after they were called it, they
lost, you know, thirty fivemillion dollars, but you know, by
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by another thirty days they made twentythree million and made six million, and
you know, made another seventeen million, so it bounced back pretty well.
Yeah, and then they use alot of that gold later to pay places
like Saudi Arabia for oil rights andso on and so forth. Well,
it was the only real international currencyand it still really is, oh for
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sure, for sure. But yeah, cool, cool story. Yeah,
I mean, so they talk aboutthe Golders IRV Act and how Nellie Taylor
Ross issued in order to mint superintendencethat you're authorized to proceed with the melting
of the general stocks of domestic goldcoin as soon as working conditions warrant that
was January thirtieth, nineteen thirty four, is when they started melting all that
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stuff. That's pretty cool, Andfinally in the news some people say,
thank god, Jack Young fun withfakes. Oh yeah. Jill's installment in
coin Week is about this seventeen ninetyfive large set that's been up and down
on eBay, and he shows attributionfor a genuine seventeen ninety six or no,
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no, no, it's seventeen ninetyfive and the seventeen ninety six that
are in the listing, Yes,the two coins in the listing, and
then he compares the seventeen ninety sixto a genuine seventeen ninety six. When
you have them next to each other, it's like, oh oh, it's
like you see it. You're like, that's not the same face. Yeah,
that's not even close. And doyou wonder how people that know,
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I mean, they just look,they glanced at it, and it's not
close. Yeah. I mean,well, well a lot of people don't
get the opportunity to handle a seventeenninety six aercent, you know, or
of this caliber. Yeah, ohyeah, I mean verse is like so
obvious. It's not even funny.That's the much later style reverse. Yeah.
So yeah, I mean he's basicallyhe said, searching for possible matches
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yield a couple of interesting gallery Mintcopy examples. Weird, So let me
see here. So it's looking likethey may have copied a Gallery Mint obverse.
Yeah, and it looks like theymay have taken a seventeen ninety four
copy for the reverse weird je Idon't know how he does that. He
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just dives and then see here's onethat, here's a this one here.
This is what's scary about this stuff. We look at this up it's like,
oh, that's really easy. It'scomical. But when you get down
here to these where they actually startaging them and wearing them and beating them
up, yeah, they can getreally scary that way. So like,
you know, I look at thiscoin and I'm like, ugh, all
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day terrible. But then you getto this one and say, okay,
I can see where this coin righthere it can fool people. So unfortunately
you're not going to spend a lotof money on it, you know,
But that's the one that's more likelyto fall anybody, and it's because there's
really not a lot to go on. Yeah, A lot of diagnostics get
obliterated when they wear it down andbeat the heck out of them. So
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although it's probably still got the captoo close to the rim or something easy
tell yeah, yes, sir,well cool, And that was the news,
and the news tonight was brought tous by shoelaces of both the Blessing
and a curse's antiquity laces. Ilike it anything else before I push this
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little button here that that brings usto the death match, which is arkua
thing. Let's see if anybody saidanything in the chatworth commenting. Huh oh,
we can we call it justices.We need more spicy Mike's Hot Sauce.
No, what we need is Matt'sSweet Sauce. Matt's Sweet Heat,
matt Sweet Heat. I like that. I know a guy that can make
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it for you. I still havea case of the Mike's at my office.
Dude, you need to eat thatstuff. You eating that stuff?
You'd never stop? Oh no,no, I do we have. I
have bottled my fridge right now.It's great. I love it. I
have a bottle of my fridge rightnow. Do you know that of all
that stuff I have less than acase left. That doesn't surprise me a
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bit. You're an animal. Ididn't need it all. I just I've
been giving it away too. Yeah, I giving away to people that come
in or say hi. Sometimes Itake it to shows with me, So
there we go. Yeah, hangout with fun. Would love to do
an in person hanging out of CentralStates totally will do. We will let
you know we will do that.It's just a matter of if you guys
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can find us, yes, andit's not going to be a search.
We'll tell you where we'll be sentplace. It's usually pretty easy because it's
like all in that hotel. Thereis usually the way to go in the
hotel, so it's way easier.Yeah, we'll schedule night to do that.
I'm not quite sure what I haveto look at my my Unfortunately,
my schedule is the one that's kindof wonky because I have a lot of
stuff going on. Usually sometimes Iwork late into the evening and Spencer will
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bring his bandle in. You willanything else. Oh So Arthur Valentine says
it was a really good roundtable.Just great to have Panelveckxpersta way in,
all who are different are in thecoin market in different levels and interests,
and Jackie I said, I reallyenjoyed participating beautiful. So you know it's
like that kind of feedback really helpsus because you know, that's what we're
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always trying to do here is we'retrying to give you guys what you want.
That's right. If you know whatI want, I know you want
to hit that button, I wantto kick your butt. Bring it.
And now for the coolest thing towalk in? This week a competition segment
between Matt and Mike to see who'shad the coolest thing walk into their shops.
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Who'll win this episode? Let's findout Matt Mike, who's got the
coolest thing? Well, you knowwhat's funny, I actually went easy on
you this week. I have acouple of I had a couple of A
bombs. I could have dropped,but I went ahead and just took your
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nice and nice and easy on you. So we'll go ahead and pull yours
up here first, and uh,go ahead and tell us what the coolest
thing is. Have an A bombfor you? Okay, I like this
one. I like this one.That's okay, that's perfectly fine. So
this one is, And don't goto the other side yet is exactly how
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I found this coin, and truthbe told, I missed it. Well,
it's easy to do with the wrongside not facing up. Sure,
absolutely, So what this is isa coin that has been struck on a
die cap. Sorry, it's beenstruck by a capped die. My cap
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die, I'm sorry, not adie cap, but a cap die.
So it's a full brockage that wasstruck by a capped die. So what
looks like what could be a vicejob is the real deal. This is
where a coin got stuck onto thehammer die and was repeatedly mashed onto the
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coins that came into the chamber.And this is just one of them.
Okay, so let me let meI'll visualize this for you guys, so
we get an idea how this guygot made. We'll take this penny here.
This is our blank penny. Okay, so us mind presses. We
We have an anvil die which doesn'tmove. We have a hammer die that
bangs and bangs coins. Okay,so this coin coin slides in, goes
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down, gets ready to be struckdie comes down. Well, normally what
happens is this coin pops out asa struck coin. There she goes.
Well, every once in a while, what happens is this comes down,
this coin gets stuck to this dieand gets pulled up and it's stuck here.
Well, next coin comes in,this coin smashes it, flies it
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out, smashes it, flies itout. Now, this coin that's stuck
to the die, it is calleda die cap, and that is what
caused the the what we're seeing herethe stretched out mirrored image on this guy
right here, So because it wasstriking the obverse of the coin on this
side, it was struck with thereverse of a coin rather than the die
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Yep, yep, yep. Thatis exactly what happened to that, So
that's pretty cool. You can't reallytell what date it is because the die
cap hadn't kind of spread out startedto come apart. So what happens a
lot of times to those die capsis this all happens within a couple seconds,
is that die cap will actually squishout and that eventually it just explode
and go fly it off because itjust gets struck so thin that it basically
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becomes like foil and it blows apartand then back to normal. So this
is a pretty early strike. Youcan tell that because you can still see
a lot of the reverse design.So very cool piece, very cool piece.
Now I brought a piece. I'mgoing to just stick with the mint
air theme because while that is notall of our show is about, we
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both do appreciate them. This isa coin that I bought the other day.
This is an eighteen seventy six seateddime that has struck about twenty percent
off center, and that in itselfwould be really cool until you look at
the back of the coin and downthere at the very bottom you can see
that there are two little seas onthe back of this coin. So this
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is an eighteen seventy six Carson Citydime that is struck about twenty percent off
center. And looking at it alittle bit further, I thought, wait
a minute, I see some doublinghere on this United States of America.
So this is actually the f Sone oh two double die obverse with the
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high Sea in Carson City mint mark. Uh. So, not only is
this coin struck twenty percent off center, it is also a very very large
double die. So we have multipleerrors going on here. That's my kind
of thing. You can see thereat the bottom, how the right hand
sea is a little bit a littlebit higher than the left hand sea.
That makes this the f S oneO two very very cool piece. Now
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I have a question to ask you. Was the obverse a known doubled Yes,
yeah, the one the FS oneO two is just the the double
die obverse that you can see here, especially in of America that see really
prominently on the bottom of the theactual device. Yep. And that obverse
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die was actually used with several differentreversed eyes, so that double die is
pretty common. U. This,however, is the the one O two
which has the high the high secondsea, so it's a little bit higher
than the first one over here.Uh so that's how you can tell which
one that is. So yeah,that's what she yes. When when I
was a kid, if you gotsomething and it was it was defectively made,
(33:30):
you returned it and you got abattle, was right? Not this
point? This point, this pointcirculated. This coin is probably like a
thirty five, maybe a forty,depending on how the how the grading company
is ceiling. Sometimes these off centerscan be a little weak because of an
uneven pressure of the strike. Beingan off center, that coin, yeah,
(33:52):
I think it might go forty.But yeah, it's just a super
cool piece, you know. NotI would love it if it was just
the off Center in itself, butthe off Center with a double die that's
freaking cool. Plus you have CarsonCity. I mean, good lord,
what else can you ask to havegoing for a coin like that? So
that was why I chose this oneinstead of some of the other really cool
stuff I bought in the last fewweeks. We'll see who wins. We'll
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see her, myyer. This isWe're just I'll bring the a bomb next
week. Okay, I'll bring oneof my bombs next week too. We'll
just we'll go for it. We'llgo hard. I'll bring one to the
hangout. You want to do thecoolest thing at the hangout? Is that
what you're telling me? We cando a live voting and then people can
decide right off the bat who winsit. Love it, love it.
(34:38):
We're doing it all right. It'slike the thunder Dome. Yeah, so
let's see, Dennis uh asks ourdie cap strikes more rare for larger coins
than smaller Yes, yes, becauseyou have a coin with more weight,
odds of it actually sticking to thedie a little less you see see him
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most commonly, uh in dimes,Uh dimes through nickels. You see them
in quarters occasionally, and then anythinglarger than a quarter is much much more
scarce. It could happen on anyany denomination, but the larger the coin,
the less likely it is going tostick to the die and actually become
a cap in itself. So thereyou go, yeah, there you go.
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Well, friend, can you believethat? Three thirty? In three
three thirty, we're almost no twothirty. I'm sorry, I was gonna
I miss a hundred episodes, uhtwo thirty in the bag. Cesska centennial
episode on the way, just amere twenty episodes away. We're gonna have
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a celebration for our two hundred andfiftieth slash Cessqui centennial episode. Yes great,
yes, be great. I'm hypingit up and it's like a year
away, but you know whatever,fun though, it'll be great. Well,
we'll do it up like the likewe did the hundredth yep. Get
a bunch of people, except Ithink this time wilevity is your time kids
(36:05):
stuff fun. Yeah, you shouldsee if you try to get people to
just make a comment high this isso it's on you're listening to coin show
podcast. Some people looked at melike, no, wow, I do
a podcast. Would you? Wouldyou just say hi, I'm so it's
on. You're listening, Uh comeback later. It's like, okay,
whatever. Well, thank you guysso much for hanging out with us tonight.
(36:30):
Real quick quick note, Paula Bloomis here as almost always. I
don't see Shannon tonight, but uh, check them out on live coin Q
and A. So yeah, checkthem out at live coin Q and A.
They do a lot of stuff withattribution and things like that. They
take people's uh they take people's questionsand their emails. They will look at
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your coins for you. They actuallyhave experts that that know varieties really really
well. Yes, yeah, theydo that. Those guys are awesome.
We like them a lot. They'rethey're fun people. Were on their friends.
They're fun friends. And hopefully nexttime, hopefully next time we have
another we have another big hangout.We can get a couple of them to
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come by. Yeah, thank you. In fact, for next Saturday,
we are going to have some peoplejoining us. I love it. I
love it. Well, friends,thank you so much for hanging out with
tonight. Mike, you want toyou gotta thanks a lot of people.
I'm sure, Oh sure. We'dlike to thank our production staff, everybody
(37:35):
who helps make this show possible.Yes, you all know who you are,
and we'd like to thank you wholistened, because without you, this
entire endeavor would just be pointless,although we probably still do it anyway.
Check out our web page www.Dot coin show radio dot com and you
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This is the Coin Show podcast,the show about coins and coin collecting,
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ten years strong. Here's Matt Dingerand Mike Notleman on the Coin Show podcast.
And this is episode what episode isit? Two hundred and thirty two
(00:28):
three zero two three zero two thirtyof the Coin Show Podcast. I am
Mike, I am Matt. Goodto see you guys. It is always
good to see you guys. Andwe are gonna do the coolest thing between
me and Matt. It's always funand highly competitive, at least it used
to be. We're gonna have tofix that. Hey, guys, you
(00:49):
know hook me up. It's likeyou got your boy, Mike. The
people have spoken. My friend,I don't know what to tell you whatever.
I used to have the coolest thingall the time. So anyways,
so we're gonna do that. MaybeMatt will have some wisdom to share to
share with us. Uh maybe not? What first? As always the news?
(01:23):
Okay, so you said you havebeen in a creative mood lately and
came up with a bunch of sponsorsfor the show. So which one are
you picking tonight to be talking aboutit. I have been out there working
beating the street. I found fourbrand new sponsors for our news. Gotcha
act like I make this stuff up. You're right, I'm sorry. I
(01:44):
apologize and you gotta you gotta workthe a bit dude, right. The
Listeners is brought to you by Shoelaces. A blessing Anna cur since antiquity.
Oh that's good, so, Matt, A colossal I mean, a huge
seven kilo gold commemorative coin from theRoyal Mint has been sold. I always
(02:07):
thought that these things were like museumpieces. It's is just one of those
because you can type deals, isn'tit. You know, there's a word,
there's a term I want to usethat I won't because we're a family
show. But the fact of thematter is is that, yes, yes,
somebody definitely slammed it down. Thisis this is seven thousand pounds of
(02:27):
legal tender. You know. It'slike, so, oh, well,
maybe they sold it because it's gotQueen Elizabeth on it. I don't know.
Yeah, I mean it's a platinumJubilee coin. Sorry, I'm just
figuring out how many ounces of goldit is. Two hundred and twenty five
point zero five ounces of gold totwenty five of two thousand an ounce,
(02:50):
that's four hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yeah. So so it brought six
hundred and sixty thousand, which meansit brought a significant premium to the gold
that was just well an what's theminutge number on it? Probably one two?
Yeah. So so stax Bowers isproud to have represented Yeah another proud
(03:15):
to have taken the money. AndI would have been too. The buyer's
premium. Yeah, Canada has releasedthe latest range of premium bullion gold and
silver maple leafs. So are commemoratingthree things. It's it's the year of
the Dragon. That's the lunar calendar. It's the year of the Dragon.
(03:37):
Okay, so you can get aprivy mark on your maple leafs gold and
silver with either a polar bear,fireworks or a dragon. Now, as
for what they show in the articleand what they give you to look at,
they show you the fireworks, andthey show you the polar bear.
I was kind of hoping it wasa dinosaur. It's not the dragon anywhere
(04:00):
except for the very the very top, and you've got to like really enlarge
it to see it. It sayshover to zoom, but I hover and
there's no zoom, so it's notreally that zoomed. Thanks to me a
lot of idea as to what thiscoin looks like, but I do know
what the other side, you know, it's like, you know what it
looks like. And here I thinkwe get our first real shot of coins
(04:24):
with His Majesty from the Commonwealth,because it's definitely different than the UK portrait.
So they've now seems like they've actionedhis nose rather than his ear on
this particular tension away from it.You know, they had to do that
so that the coins would strike upbecause it was just so deep. Yes,
(04:46):
if I get them to say it'sbig nose, I can prove them
wrong. Yeah. So these willbe available in UH one, ten thousand
gold coins, wheile silver coins.The ten thous gold coin, I guess
is the It only comes with apolar Bear Privy mark, but the silver
(05:09):
ones come with all three. Thereyou go. The United States and Britain
have done a coin and metal released. Yeah. We talked about this our
hangout the other night. Yes,and this is the US version of the
coin. What I felt was missingwas the was the UK version of the
(05:31):
coin, and if you go acouple of slides forward you'll see it.
So okay, and the thing,I don't know. I looked at it
and I had kind of a dumbmoment because I looked at the US coins
and I'm like, okay, well'schose two sides to those, And I
looked at the Briton coin and I'mlike, well, only, oh yeah,
(05:53):
it's the King on the other side. So it's only kind of a
Britanny and liberty. It's a thisis our coin, this is your coin.
You know, ours truly has adesign of Britannian liberty, so does
theirs. It does? I likeours a little better? Oh, I
kind of a. I mean they'revery similar. They're very very similar.
(06:16):
So see if you like here,you can see ours and there's just a
flippy flop pretty much the same design. I mean, it's pretty cool.
You could truly call ours heads.Yes, sorry, that was really good.
That was I had to struggle outto squeak out of laugh at that
one. That was not good.So the United States meant, you know,
(06:39):
as they sued their sales report rightfor the weekending twenty first, and
I found to be really interesting aboutthis was the number one sellar for the
week. Go back to the headline. What the number one seller for the
week is the the Morgan and PeaceSilver Tribute Dollar reverse proof set. So
they still got them? No,they haven't been available for a long time,
(07:00):
so there must have been like eitherthe returns a bad credit card.
No, they don't sell the returns. Well, they might repackage them.
I don't know what's wrong with themis the packaging. I'm fairly sure they
do not sell any of the returncoins. I could be wrong, but
I've heard that somewhere and I thinkthat's true. But there is also a
(07:24):
strong possibility that the ones that hadrejected credit cards or look at orders or
things like that amounted to thirty eightand they finally released them. I mean,
that's what I'm just curious about.It's like, you know, here
they are there, they're number oneseller for the week. Yeah, weird.
It hasn't been available for two fora month. Yeah that's crazy.
(07:47):
Huh. Well there you go.The Mint works in mysterious ways, my
friend. Sure. Speaking of workingin mysterious way, Steve Perth Mint in
Australia has released their silver one ouncetwenty four theyated Cucku Burrows, but they
have a new reverse design. Yeah, because the out verse has his majesty,
so it has it actually has bothsides have been redesigned. Yeah.
(08:09):
It kind of reminds me of theMexican coinage with a bird carrying the snake.
But yeah, it's definitely for sure. Well, yeah, he's running
away from the other side, Iguess. Yeah. And you know,
somebody made comment to me, Yeah, it's like this, this portrait looks
really weird. I still think they'retrying to figure out how to get him
(08:33):
on a coin, like in away that kind of looks like him.
Because we've seen two of these differentportraits so far and they are vastly different.
But we've actually seen three now,have we Yeah, okay, there
one. Yeah that's true. They'reoh god, it's bad and it looks
like the Cucku bar is running away, flying away from it. That would
(08:56):
be almost a fun like that wouldbe almost like a fun collection to put
together, just all the different coinsthat have him on them for the first
time all over the world. Seeall the different styles of portraits and which
ones are good, which ones arecartoonish, like this one kind of makes
them look like a zombie, alittle bit well smiling zombie. I mean
(09:16):
it's kind of, you know,I don't know, it's weird, it's
weird. Yeah, his mouth isa little weird. I mean, I'm
a weird looking dude too. Butso don't get me wrong, I would
not go on a coin very welleither, but just saying well, I
mean we all have our yeah,deficiencies. I'm not I'm not incredibly fortunate
looking either, so what so oneof my customers had kind of brought this
(09:43):
up that it surprised him that theBritish coins starting with Elizabeth stopped using the
Latin name yeah, but used Latinlegends. And it was thought because there
really isn't a there really isn't aLatin name for Elizabeth, yeah, and
(10:05):
that when Charles became king would theygo to Carollas, which is what it
should be. And so again youhave a mixed legend of it's English and
it's Latin, and it's kind ofyou know, because Fid is defender of
the faith and Rex is king,you know, but that's also Latin.
So this is weird for me.It's it's real weird. All the way
(10:28):
around a lot of weirdness in astory that was reported by World Coin News.
Now here's here's a little taste ofspicy mic for tonight. Okay,
go, well, I mean,this year's twenty twenty four US Native American
Dollar commemorates the Indian Citizenship Act ofnineteen twenty four. Wait, what the
(10:52):
Indian Citizenship Act of nineteen twenty four? You know, A I didn't even
know of the Citizenship Act of nineteentwenty four, So you know, color
me surprised if that's actually a thingI would expect to. You know,
Look, the education of people aboutNative Americans is a great purpose for this
(11:13):
this uh totally totally however, Okay, I would think that you would try
to find things that were positive.I mean, you're not going to do
one that has the trail of tearson it next year, are you?
Who knows? You know? Imean, this is like a little tone
deaf on the part of the Bentbecause okay, the Indian Citizenship Act was
(11:37):
passed in nineteen twenty four by Congress, and it granted citizenship to all Native
Americans born in the United States onlylike three hundred years after we came and
took an off from we took everythingelse from you a week, you know
whatever. We made you live inthese certain places. But you know we're
gonna make you citizens. Yeah wowand yeah. But what they did was
(12:01):
was the Citizenship Act was granted.Basically, the right to vote was governed
by state law until nineteen fifty seven. So whether federally given the right to
vote or not, they weren't allowedto vote until nineteen fifty seven. That's
(12:22):
not because the state law just didn'tallow it. Yeah, I mean it's
kind of crazy. It's like,well, you guys could be citizens kind
of you know. It's one ofthose things where it's like, I think
the United States could be incredibly tonedeaf when it comes to dealing with the
indigenous population of you know, NorthAmerica. Yeah, they approved it time
(12:48):
and time again. If you lookat I don't know that the Canadian government
is really any better, but theyseem to have incorporated indigenous people more in
to their society and into their uh, into their citizenry that ever have I
agree with that? Yeah, Aspicy mike. So I do kind of
(13:09):
like the uh, yeah, whatis this a war staff? I don't
know what the hell I States flagin the background, you know. Anyway,
Yeah, moving on, Wow,the twenty twenty four American Innovation Dollar
images have been unveiled. Now mostpeople don't know that this series exists.
(13:30):
Why this year we have Illinois,Alabama, Maine, and uh, Missouri.
And while you had a car wreck, we have farm implements. Yeah.
Well that's corn corner wheat and farmimplements. Weans soybeans here, yeah,
(13:52):
yeah, we are huge in soybeans. There you go. Yeah,
Well, I'm talking about what's onthe coin not necessarily well, ye,
jam is kind of state of Mainehas the defibrillator. Yes, it's the
direct current defibrillator. Yeah, sodefibrillator is now on a US coin.
Awesome. Yeah, the Saturn fiverocket for Alabama. I like that design.
(14:18):
That what Washington Carver is on yetanother coin, Yeah, from Missouri.
But now people might get an ideaof actually why it's on the coin
since it shows him doing his chemistry. It is never a bad idea to
kind of look some of these thingsup for yourself because everything you find out,
things like how about the American Indianand Citizenship Actor. Yeah, right,
(14:43):
a good point. And so ifyou look at the next slide,
it's uh, it's the American InnovationDollar for Illinois and this has just a
much better you know, it's thesteel plow is the innovation that's wheat,
my friend. But yeah, thisis our coin and I kind of I
like it. The PNG is offeringa twenty twenty four yn scholarship and so
(15:05):
they're going to have a competition forit. These are always great. I
always like to see this stuff.I like it. PNG is going to
cover airfare tuition for one of thetwo twenty twenty four Summer Seminar sessions meals
and dorms, so anybody between theages thirteen and twenty two are eligible to
(15:26):
enter. There. You go toapply for the scholarship, but time is
short, so deadline for recipt ofthe entries is Friday, March twenty ninth
of twenty twenty four. Entries mustinclude the applicants name and contact information.
Entries can be sent by mail toinfo at Pngdealers dot org or by mail
to the PNG executive Director. Youcan look that one up on Google.
(15:48):
Very good. Yeah, there aretwo separate ANA Summer Seminar four day sessions.
They're going to be in June sixteenththrough the nineteenth and twenty third to
twenty six that's what it is.For more information about de Summer Seminar,
go to money dot org. Speakingof which, twenty twenty four ANA College
(16:08):
Scholarships are available to young collectors.Also a good thing, good job Jerome
Walton Memorials College Scholarship. It wasestablished in twenty fourteen to provide a graduating
high school senior who is also anANA member with one thousand dollars you use
at their you know, at wheneverthey choose to. So it's a it's
(16:29):
a nice scholarship. It helps themout with whatever they need. And this
is another one that you have toapply for. So let's see, students
with a full class schedule, maintaina B average throughout their higher education can
receive one thousand dollars scholarship for upto four years. Are you good?
That's cool? Yeah, that's verycool. So besides holding a membership in
the a ANDA, applicants must bea graduating high school senior cumulative grade point
(16:52):
average of at least eight point zero. The winning students may use the scholarship
at any two or four year college, university, or trade school. Within
the United States. Two letters ofreference must be sent on the applicant's behalf,
and the authors of the references maynot be family members. Reference letters
must be submitted by the person writingthe reference, not the scholarship applicant,
(17:15):
and must be received at the Aand A by March fifteenth. Smart that's
a smart idea, let's see andstax Bowers Galleries announces a twenty twenty four
professional numismatist program. Stax Bowers isgoing to do a twenty twenty four professional
NW Missmstusts program between July fifteenth andnineteenth. Are going to bring people on.
(17:38):
The mission statement is to provide practicaltools and build professional connections for the
next generation of young adult numismatists.Okay, led by Darren Hip and Greg
Roberts, Jason Carter, man Orsini, John pack Rick Ontario, Kyle Pontereo,
Peter Trelia and Aris Meridukaikus Nice Niceall stack screws out there erga daycas
(18:03):
So is it a is it ascholarship or is it like an internship?
It's it's kind of a they're puttingon the school. Okay, So they're
gonna they're gonna bring you in fundedby sax Bowers, all expensive travel,
lodging, food, beverages, andentertainment provided by the firm upon acceptance to
the program. It'll take place inGriffin Studios, located in their worldwide headquarters
and coast to Mesa, California,allowing students to enjoy the best in Southern
(18:27):
California has to offer with its diverserecreational environment for exceptional students, paid positions
and internships maybe available immediately. Oh, I like that. It's a little
farm, a little farm for town, little tout farm. I like it.
Dealers only pee NNG day for Mayone, twenty twenty four. For
(18:51):
Central States, yep, I alwaystout Central States. You know why I
always touch Central States because it's liketwenty minutes from house. Because you're there,
I'm there, Our whole crew isthere. Here, the entire stats,
the entire crew is going to bethere. It's gonna be great.
So yes, it's it's set forMay first. So now we have dates.
(19:14):
You can start making your hotel reservations, all that kind of stuff.
Be at the Central State Show.It's when you don't want to miss,
that's right. David Lawrence Rare Coinshas announced new red Carpet Rarities auction series
HMM. These have an extended bidfeature, whereas the clock is running down
(19:36):
on it, if there is abid at the last minute, it extends
the clock so that there's no sniping. Yeah. I mean, there are
some people that love that, thereare some people that hate it. So
I just report the news. Yeah, yes, that's cool. It looks
like it's gonna be an online thing, so that's cool. And it's gonna
start closing every Thursday evening starting inFiuary. So cool, about one hundred
(20:02):
coins each week. Registry stuff cool? I like it all right. So
Doug Davis, founder of the NumismaticCrime Information Center, has posted there are
suspects that are wanted in Anlanoi coinshoptheft. Another one, Yeah, this
one's got pictures. I always lovepictures. Yeah, and a suspect in
(20:26):
New York issuing bad checks to coindealers. They give the aliases and the
addresses used coins lost stolen into mailin New Jersey to Maryland. I appreciate
this page, but god, Ihate seeing all this stuff. I hate
seeing it. Yes, so goto coinweek dot com check that out.
You know it's it's a really goodlist. If that's kind of stuff that
(20:48):
is useful to you. I mean, as somebody that does this and buys
a lot of coins, obviously wehave to keep an eye on this stuff
A because we don't want to endup with stolen coins, and B we
don't want to end up with thepeople stealing our stuff in our store.
So I mean totally understand it.But gosh, it's just like every week
I get an email it's like soand so's car got broke into here,
this person had a home burglary.These people stole coins and jewelry from this
(21:11):
place. It's like, ah,man, it's just it's just I just
don't like it, that's all.So coin Week is also reporting about the
gold and gold prices revolving around theconversion of gold coins into billion bars after
nineteen thirty three. So, forthose of you who are not aware,
(21:33):
President Roosevelt recalled private gold ownership.It really didn't mean what a lot of
people thought, but yet it wascertainly it was certainly presented that way that
you needed to turn in all yourgold right and the government basically melted it.
They made it into bars, andthey revalued it. They completely just
(21:53):
jacked the price of it. AndHerbert Hoover is actually the president that wanted
to knock down large amounts of holdingsin gold coin, so it wasn't even
really a Roosevelt thing. It startedas early as the Hoover administration. And
(22:14):
so this article goes through and showsyou the gold coin value and you know,
February twenty eighth and nineteen thirty threegold coin value was the face that
was out in the market. Andhow after they were called it, they
lost, you know, thirty fivemillion dollars, but you know, by
(22:34):
by another thirty days they made twentythree million and made six million, and
you know, made another seventeen million, so it bounced back pretty well.
Yeah, and then they use alot of that gold later to pay places
like Saudi Arabia for oil rights andso on and so forth. Well,
it was the only real international currencyand it still really is, oh for
(22:56):
sure, for sure. But yeah, cool, cool story. Yeah,
I mean, so they talk aboutthe Golders IRV Act and how Nellie Taylor
Ross issued in order to mint superintendencethat you're authorized to proceed with the melting
of the general stocks of domestic goldcoin as soon as working conditions warrant that
was January thirtieth, nineteen thirty four, is when they started melting all that
(23:18):
stuff. That's pretty cool, Andfinally in the news some people say,
thank god, Jack Young fun withfakes. Oh yeah. Jill's installment in
coin Week is about this seventeen ninetyfive large set that's been up and down
on eBay, and he shows attributionfor a genuine seventeen ninety six or no,
(23:47):
no, no, it's seventeen ninetyfive and the seventeen ninety six that
are in the listing, Yes,the two coins in the listing, and
then he compares the seventeen ninety sixto a genuine seventeen ninety six. When
you have them next to each other, it's like, oh oh, it's
like you see it. You're like, that's not the same face. Yeah,
that's not even close. And doyou wonder how people that know,
(24:07):
I mean, they just look,they glanced at it, and it's not
close. Yeah. I mean,well, well a lot of people don't
get the opportunity to handle a seventeenninety six aercent, you know, or
of this caliber. Yeah, ohyeah, I mean verse is like so
obvious. It's not even funny.That's the much later style reverse. Yeah.
So yeah, I mean he's basicallyhe said, searching for possible matches
(24:34):
yield a couple of interesting gallery Mintcopy examples. Weird, So let me
see here. So it's looking likethey may have copied a Gallery Mint obverse.
Yeah, and it looks like theymay have taken a seventeen ninety four
copy for the reverse weird je Idon't know how he does that. He
(24:56):
just dives and then see here's onethat, here's a this one here.
This is what's scary about this stuff. We look at this up it's like,
oh, that's really easy. It'scomical. But when you get down
here to these where they actually startaging them and wearing them and beating them
up, yeah, they can getreally scary that way. So like,
you know, I look at thiscoin and I'm like, ugh, all
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day terrible. But then you getto this one and say, okay,
I can see where this coin righthere it can fool people. So unfortunately
you're not going to spend a lotof money on it, you know,
But that's the one that's more likelyto fall anybody, and it's because there's
really not a lot to go on. Yeah, A lot of diagnostics get
obliterated when they wear it down andbeat the heck out of them. So
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although it's probably still got the captoo close to the rim or something easy
tell yeah, yes, sir,well cool, And that was the news,
and the news tonight was brought tous by shoelaces of both the Blessing
and a curse's antiquity laces. Ilike it anything else before I push this
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little button here that that brings usto the death match, which is arkua
thing. Let's see if anybody saidanything in the chatworth commenting. Huh oh,
we can we call it justices.We need more spicy Mike's Hot Sauce.
No, what we need is Matt'sSweet Sauce. Matt's Sweet Heat,
matt Sweet Heat. I like that. I know a guy that can make
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it for you. I still havea case of the Mike's at my office.
Dude, you need to eat thatstuff. You eating that stuff?
You'd never stop? Oh no,no, I do we have. I
have bottled my fridge right now.It's great. I love it. I
have a bottle of my fridge rightnow. Do you know that of all
that stuff I have less than acase left. That doesn't surprise me a
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bit. You're an animal. Ididn't need it all. I just I've
been giving it away too. Yeah, I giving away to people that come
in or say hi. Sometimes Itake it to shows with me, So
there we go. Yeah, hangout with fun. Would love to do
an in person hanging out of CentralStates totally will do. We will let
you know we will do that.It's just a matter of if you guys
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can find us, yes, andit's not going to be a search.
We'll tell you where we'll be sentplace. It's usually pretty easy because it's
like all in that hotel. Thereis usually the way to go in the
hotel, so it's way easier.Yeah, we'll schedule night to do that.
I'm not quite sure what I haveto look at my my Unfortunately,
my schedule is the one that's kindof wonky because I have a lot of
stuff going on. Usually sometimes Iwork late into the evening and Spencer will
(27:32):
bring his bandle in. You willanything else. Oh So Arthur Valentine says
it was a really good roundtable.Just great to have Panelveckxpersta way in,
all who are different are in thecoin market in different levels and interests,
and Jackie I said, I reallyenjoyed participating beautiful. So you know it's
like that kind of feedback really helpsus because you know, that's what we're
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always trying to do here is we'retrying to give you guys what you want.
That's right. If you know whatI want, I know you want
to hit that button, I wantto kick your butt. Bring it.
And now for the coolest thing towalk in? This week a competition segment
between Matt and Mike to see who'shad the coolest thing walk into their shops.
(28:17):
Who'll win this episode? Let's findout Matt Mike, who's got the
coolest thing? Well, you knowwhat's funny, I actually went easy on
you this week. I have acouple of I had a couple of A
bombs. I could have dropped,but I went ahead and just took your
(28:37):
nice and nice and easy on you. So we'll go ahead and pull yours
up here first, and uh,go ahead and tell us what the coolest
thing is. Have an A bombfor you? Okay, I like this
one. I like this one.That's okay, that's perfectly fine. So
this one is, And don't goto the other side yet is exactly how
(28:59):
I found this coin, and truthbe told, I missed it. Well,
it's easy to do with the wrongside not facing up. Sure,
absolutely, So what this is isa coin that has been struck on a
die cap. Sorry, it's beenstruck by a capped die. My cap
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die, I'm sorry, not adie cap, but a cap die.
So it's a full brockage that wasstruck by a capped die. So what
looks like what could be a vicejob is the real deal. This is
where a coin got stuck onto thehammer die and was repeatedly mashed onto the
(29:45):
coins that came into the chamber.And this is just one of them.
Okay, so let me let meI'll visualize this for you guys, so
we get an idea how this guygot made. We'll take this penny here.
This is our blank penny. Okay, so us mind presses. We
We have an anvil die which doesn'tmove. We have a hammer die that
bangs and bangs coins. Okay,so this coin coin slides in, goes
(30:08):
down, gets ready to be struckdie comes down. Well, normally what
happens is this coin pops out asa struck coin. There she goes.
Well, every once in a while, what happens is this comes down,
this coin gets stuck to this dieand gets pulled up and it's stuck here.
Well, next coin comes in,this coin smashes it, flies it
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out, smashes it, flies itout. Now, this coin that's stuck
to the die, it is calleda die cap, and that is what
caused the the what we're seeing herethe stretched out mirrored image on this guy
right here, So because it wasstriking the obverse of the coin on this
side, it was struck with thereverse of a coin rather than the die
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Yep, yep, yep. Thatis exactly what happened to that, So
that's pretty cool. You can't reallytell what date it is because the die
cap hadn't kind of spread out startedto come apart. So what happens a
lot of times to those die capsis this all happens within a couple seconds,
is that die cap will actually squishout and that eventually it just explode
and go fly it off because itjust gets struck so thin that it basically
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becomes like foil and it blows apartand then back to normal. So this
is a pretty early strike. Youcan tell that because you can still see
a lot of the reverse design.So very cool piece, very cool piece.
Now I brought a piece. I'mgoing to just stick with the mint
air theme because while that is notall of our show is about, we
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both do appreciate them. This isa coin that I bought the other day.
This is an eighteen seventy six seateddime that has struck about twenty percent
off center, and that in itselfwould be really cool until you look at
the back of the coin and downthere at the very bottom you can see
that there are two little seas onthe back of this coin. So this
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is an eighteen seventy six Carson Citydime that is struck about twenty percent off
center. And looking at it alittle bit further, I thought, wait
a minute, I see some doublinghere on this United States of America.
So this is actually the f Sone oh two double die obverse with the
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high Sea in Carson City mint mark. Uh. So, not only is
this coin struck twenty percent off center, it is also a very very large
double die. So we have multipleerrors going on here. That's my kind
of thing. You can see thereat the bottom, how the right hand
sea is a little bit a littlebit higher than the left hand sea.
That makes this the f S oneO two very very cool piece. Now
(32:45):
I have a question to ask you. Was the obverse a known doubled Yes,
yeah, the one the FS oneO two is just the the double
die obverse that you can see here, especially in of America that see really
prominently on the bottom of the theactual device. Yep. And that obverse
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die was actually used with several differentreversed eyes, so that double die is
pretty common. U. This,however, is the the one O two
which has the high the high secondsea, so it's a little bit higher
than the first one over here.Uh so that's how you can tell which
one that is. So yeah,that's what she yes. When when I
was a kid, if you gotsomething and it was it was defectively made,
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you returned it and you got abattle, was right? Not this
point? This point, this pointcirculated. This coin is probably like a
thirty five, maybe a forty,depending on how the how the grading company
is ceiling. Sometimes these off centerscan be a little weak because of an
uneven pressure of the strike. Beingan off center, that coin, yeah,
(33:52):
I think it might go forty.But yeah, it's just a super
cool piece, you know. NotI would love it if it was just
the off Center in itself, butthe off Center with a double die that's
freaking cool. Plus you have CarsonCity. I mean, good lord,
what else can you ask to havegoing for a coin like that? So
that was why I chose this oneinstead of some of the other really cool
stuff I bought in the last fewweeks. We'll see who wins. We'll
(34:15):
see her, myyer. This isWe're just I'll bring the a bomb next
week. Okay, I'll bring oneof my bombs next week too. We'll
just we'll go for it. We'llgo hard. I'll bring one to the
hangout. You want to do thecoolest thing at the hangout? Is that
what you're telling me? We cando a live voting and then people can
decide right off the bat who winsit. Love it, love it.
(34:38):
We're doing it all right. It'slike the thunder Dome. Yeah, so
let's see, Dennis uh asks ourdie cap strikes more rare for larger coins
than smaller Yes, yes, becauseyou have a coin with more weight,
odds of it actually sticking to thedie a little less you see see him
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most commonly, uh in dimes,Uh dimes through nickels. You see them
in quarters occasionally, and then anythinglarger than a quarter is much much more
scarce. It could happen on anyany denomination, but the larger the coin,
the less likely it is going tostick to the die and actually become
a cap in itself. So thereyou go, yeah, there you go.
(35:23):
Well, friend, can you believethat? Three thirty? In three
three thirty, we're almost no twothirty. I'm sorry, I was gonna
I miss a hundred episodes, uhtwo thirty in the bag. Cesska centennial
episode on the way, just amere twenty episodes away. We're gonna have
(35:44):
a celebration for our two hundred andfiftieth slash Cessqui centennial episode. Yes great,
yes, be great. I'm hypingit up and it's like a year
away, but you know whatever,fun though, it'll be great. Well,
we'll do it up like the likewe did the hundredth yep. Get
a bunch of people, except Ithink this time wilevity is your time kids
(36:05):
stuff fun. Yeah, you shouldsee if you try to get people to
just make a comment high this isso it's on you're listening to coin show
podcast. Some people looked at melike, no, wow, I do
a podcast. Would you? Wouldyou just say hi, I'm so it's
on. You're listening, Uh comeback later. It's like, okay,
whatever. Well, thank you guysso much for hanging out with us tonight.
(36:30):
Real quick quick note, Paula Bloomis here as almost always. I
don't see Shannon tonight, but uh, check them out on live coin Q
and A. So yeah, checkthem out at live coin Q and A.
They do a lot of stuff withattribution and things like that. They
take people's uh they take people's questionsand their emails. They will look at
(36:50):
your coins for you. They actuallyhave experts that that know varieties really really
well. Yes, yeah, theydo that. Those guys are awesome.
We like them a lot. They'rethey're fun people. Were on their friends.
They're fun friends. And hopefully nexttime, hopefully next time we have
another we have another big hangout.We can get a couple of them to
(37:14):
come by. Yeah, thank you. In fact, for next Saturday,
we are going to have some peoplejoining us. I love it. I
love it. Well, friends,thank you so much for hanging out with
tonight. Mike, you want toyou gotta thanks a lot of people.
I'm sure, Oh sure. We'dlike to thank our production staff, everybody
(37:35):
who helps make this show possible.Yes, you all know who you are,
and we'd like to thank you wholistened, because without you, this
entire endeavor would just be pointless,although we probably still do it anyway.
Check out our web page www.Dot coin show radio dot com and you
can catch us on YouTube. Youcan catch us on Facebook, and you
(37:58):
can catch us next week at ourlive hangout if you have questions, if
you have stuff that you'd like usto see, uh, people like to
interact with, if you want toplay a game. Yeah, we're just
gonna hang out talk about coin andit's gonna be fun. Yeah, hang
out and it's more of an interactivething. So we help see you there
and see that. Yeah. Sofor the coin Show podcast on Mike and
(38:22):
I'm Matt. We will talk toyou on episode two thirty one of the
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