September 7, 2025 • 48 mins
Mike Nottelmann and Matt Dinger are back with the #1 numismatic podcast! This episode the guys talk the news in numismatics, talk a bit about the current state of the coin market, and check out the coolest things to walk into their shops. Enjoy!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the coin Show podcast, the show about coins
and coin collecting, and not just any show. This is
the number one coin collecting podcast going ten years strong.
Here's Matt Dinger and Mike Notleman on the Coin Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It is episode to forty eight of the Coin Show Podcast.
I'm Bike and I'm man to forty eight.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I mean, as we're closing in on something, I.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Think two more to the semi Sexquentennial.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, there you go, So our own semiquin centennial.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, that's what I said.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You may have it before day before our nation had it.
You never know, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So on tonight's show, we are going to we're going
to talk about our break and you know what we
did over the summer. We are going to do, of course,
the coolest thing that walked into our show and into
our shops. And we have the entire summer to have
picked from.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
So it's gonna be a grudge match.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I can actually tell you a real a real slug fest.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And uh and we're also going to uh just talk
about things in general and what we have coming up.
What is what is going to be new this fall
for us, because it's like we've got some new segments
and some new stuff coming.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
But first, as always.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
The news, and the news is brought to us by
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Speaker 4 (01:45):
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Speaker 2 (01:55):
So, as was reported earlier in our in our very
own chat here, the World's Fair of Money in Oklahoma
City was at a resounding success.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
You know, I heard that and it kind of sort
of surprised me, but again it was yeah, yeah, I mean,
everybody that I knew we didn't go, unfortunately, because I
think for us that's like a twelve or fourteen hour drive,
and I love going to coincos, but if we're going
to you know, in A and A, then we have
(02:27):
to travel really heavy, and it's not something I can
fly with, so somebody has to drive, and I just
did not want to do that, yeah, being quite honest.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So it was the expectation that it being in Oklahoma City,
and particularly with Oklahoma City having sales tax on currency,
that it was going to hurt the show and the
show wasn't going to be as good it wouldn't be
as well attended, and all of those things were absolutely wrong,
because people loved it. They went there, they did good business,
(03:01):
and everybody I heard had a great show that they
had a hard time keeping enough stuff in their in
their cases, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yep, I heard the exact same thing. So awesome, great,
good for them. I loved it. For the ANA, I
was a little worried, but now I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yes, okay, So here's something I want to spend a
minute on.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Because the US minute brought back the nineteen sixteen gold
half dollar, so this is going to be the semi
quin centennial offering. I have to look it's because this
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is going to be a twenty twenty six coin. It's
got a half ounce four nines gold silver metal.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Well, got a half hours and a silver medal.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Sorry, there you go. Yeah, it's a half ounce fine
gold coin in four nines. Here's the problem. They did
this before, and it's the wrong size. It's about the
size of a quarter, and because of that, it was
not popular and people didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Hey, but this time it's got a privy mark.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
That's a mint mark.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
No, it's got a privy mark too. If you look
up above a guy we trust oh body.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Okay, it's hard to see it on my thing, but yeah,
you're right, I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And what's more important is look at the silver metal.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Oh boy, I I'm having a really hard time with
this one.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I mean it's very comic book is Oh yeah, do
we live in comic book times? I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Mean that's walking liberty. It's a different perspective about it. Right,
she's got the uh, the whole reason her in her
one arm, and her hand is pointed towards the dawn
of a new day, and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Hair and the dress with the stripes, and right.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Well, the dress with the stripes is supposed to be
the American flag and that does not show up.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Here at all. Yeah. Yeah, you know the eagle is
dive bombing something.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yeah, you're not kidding. Uh, you know. Luckily for us,
it's just a metal, it's not a coin, so they
can do whatever they want there. I don't care. How's that?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yes, but man, that eagle looks predatory.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
If you're gonna make something goofy with a with an
egle that looks like it's about to eat your face off,
go ahead, and do it on a metal for me, please. Yeah,
it's fine.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I just it's like, I just can't with this out verse.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I man, and wait wait wait, wait, ask Russ about
knife hands.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
She's making a knife hand, she.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Is making hands. You're right, yep, you're right.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I think this is really really aggressively posing America. And
they screwed the pooch again because they had a chance
to make it right with the half dollar and make
them on eagle blanks instead of making them on buffalo blanks.
But this I think goes back to who can authorize it, right,
(06:30):
So this doesn't take an Act of Congress, it doesn't
take anything.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
The director of the mint can actually order this stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, okay, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
You know the coin itself will the half ounce gold
with the walking Liberty design, it'll tell okay, But you're
right if it was, if it was the half outside,
it would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So I gave you another article that has what I
think are just more straightforward pictures of what they're going
to look like.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Oh yeah, here we go. And I still don't see
the privy mark.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
It's right above, it's right here, right above, And God,
we trust there's a two hundred and fifty inside the
Liberty bill.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Oh okay, yeah, if you enlarge the picture you can
see it a whole lot better, because that's what's going
to go on the scent two fifty with the liberty bill. Ye,
there it is, But I wanted to give you a
you know, a better set of pictures on it that
just weren't so right.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I haven't been paying attention to these at all, so
this is actually the first time I've seen these, to
be quite honest with you.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Look, it was a great idea. They hit gold literally
when they made the.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Gold buffalo fractionals because they made a quarter ounce and
the quarterouns is really pretty much exactly the same size
as the nickel.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
So it was a solid gold buffalo nickel that were
really popular.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
People loved them, and they decided, uh what six years later,
eight years later to do it again, and this time
they were going to do the dime order and the
half but they made him on the wrong size blanks, and.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Because the quarter the quarter was good.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It's still small though the quarter is not much the
quarters of a nickel, it's not that small. It's still
a quarter ounce. Yeah, it's the same size coin as
the Buffalo nickel and a half ounce for the for
the half That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
It's like these are just they're too small, and they
screwed the pooch again.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, they could have made amount of ninety percent made
them actual size or repose you and and people.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You know, and even if they didn't quite make them
the exact size, they would be closer, right, people would
salute the effort. Yeah, this looks like a handhanded attempt.
Ham Fisted said the.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yeah, yeah, I don't disagree with you, that's all.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Hey, you know what it was gonna be? What three
stories before Mike got angry about something.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah, no joke.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
The US Mint has the twenty twenty five palladium coin
coming out, and I love this headline.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
A legend returns with a six thousand mintage limit.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Here's the funny thing. The ones from last year are
still available. Yeah, right, it had a six thousand mintage limit.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Oh, here it is. This is the story Dad, these
backwards six thousand mintage limit. I mean, okay, again, I
like the design. I like using the mercury diamond versus
it's cool. Nowhere near the right size, and you know
the reverse is okay. I don't hate the coin itself.
(09:44):
It's just palladium.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, no, who wants a palladium coin?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I don't know too many people that are out looking
for palladium. Yeah that there are.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
There are not many people buying platinum and palladium seems
to me to be kind of a uh.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, it's it's adjacent to that.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And if you read the story, it says, with an
exceptionally lamentage of just six thousand coins, is limited release
did not sell out within its verse twenty four hour
release period, right, well.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Because it's priced in seventeen hundred dollars and palladium is
like twelve hundred bucks.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, they're just somewhere in there. Just the premiums are
too high. They're just too high.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
What is that guy that you need pictures?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
They look like a a straight uh you know, uncirculatedmitted coin. Yeah,
this coin is gonna be a reverse proof. Okay, look
at the caption underneath the picture.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, you're right right there, reverse proof huh. Okay, But
I was gonna say this, This whole thing reminds me
of that guy that used to talk about the rent
and how it's too damn high. Well, the premiums are
too damn high.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So, and and when you're looking at metals prices, I
think we all agree that metals prices are.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Very high right now. You're not wrong, right, So if
they return.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
To some level of reason again, this stuff is going
to go way back down. And that's the problem is
you're going to own it at fifteen hundred bucks or
seventeen hundred bucks when palladium's worth like six hundred.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Well, but then they have a you know, but then
they have you know, I was explaining this to somebody
the other day, and we can talk about here a
little more later, but you know the fact that a
lot of things are becoming just metal right now that
used to have a premium. Hopefully, when if the market
turns the other direction, the premiums will come back and
(11:46):
you'll have a little bit of a little bit of
security against just the metal value of it declining. So
hard to say if that's going to be a thing, but.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Hard to say.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I think that now that I have a professional opinion
to offer on it, what I think is going to
happen is that the prices of metals will come down
and the premiums won't reappear for several hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Oh yeah, no, I agree, But like I was talking
about there today, there are some like Saints in five
are almost just gold, are just correct?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
You make it five all day long from melt.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
They're getting really close to five. And what I was
saying is that when gold does come back down, you
know you're gonna the premiums will reappear, and eventually they
will stop following at a certain point and stabilize. So
it's kind of a hedge against the inflation against the decline.
But it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, it'll have some, but the question is is when
and how much? Right the comic book releases, they here's
the designs for them, and uh, here's the thing. If
you don't know comic book people, they're kind of nerdy
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about detail.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Oh god, yeah, if let's see. I actually was thinking
about going and seeing how much they were complaining about
them already.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yes, because they already are.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So we have somebody in our shop who is a
huge Batman fan, and I we knew that this coin
was gonna be and his first impression of it was,
why did they have it canted like that? Yeah, you know,
it's the whole thing is like, that doesn't look like
the comic.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
All right, everybody do it with me? Oh yeah, okay,
I see it now. Not to mention Batman is ripped.
What is that his abs got?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Batman was supposed to be ripped at least.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
But like his abs got abs here, like we're looking
at one ta yeah, super sporting and a peg. Yeah,
but Batman, Batman's got an eight pack on his ribs.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yes, yes he does. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
That's crazy talk.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And then Superman is in a kind of classic pose,
but not how he flies.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, No, he's hovering. He's just hovering.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, so so uh, our Batman expert had less of
a problem with that one.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
The Wonder Woman one is uh, I actually like that one, asked,
out of the three. I agree. I like the American
flag as the background. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I guess it's hard to convey motion on a coin
because he got a little bit of it with the
Batman coin. But he's in free fall. He's in mid air,
so he's falling and or flying and.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Or the thing is he doesn't fly. I'm wondering what's
going on with him.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
He's he's just going Yeah, he's just doing Batman things.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Well, doesn't fly though, Well, he jumps off buildings and
can do some flips in the air and laying on
the ground, you know, like that's probably what he's doing, right.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Sure that that bird looks like, you know, he's close
to the ground.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, the eagle, the ego kind of confuses me. But whatever,
they could have gone without the eagle could Yeah, Superman
doesn't have an egle. I see no ego on the
Superman coin. Just very odd. They're right, the Batman coin
is odd. I don't like it. The other two.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I'm you know, here's the here's the number one rule
in writing. Always remember your audience.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah, Batman looks like he's sliding into second Like, that's
what Batman looks.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Like he's going to take up.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He's going to take up tat the short style exactly.
That's what it looks like. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And then Frostbite said the reverse on the Superman's horrible too.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah, I didn't even see it. Let me see uh
that article? Oh lame?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah? Oh what do you get for free?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Whitman has unveiled the new Red Book titles that they're
going to come out with this year for coin collectors,
and I want to tell you a little preview.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
One of the things that we're going to do this
year that we.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
We kind of started and left it go and now
we're coming back to it is what is Mike reading?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And uh, I will tell you that the Red Book series?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You know, so we have uh they sent me the
Red Book on Washington Quarters. They sent me the one
on Shield and Liberty had Nichols and you expect a.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Review of both of those coming this fall.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I like it. And Whitman is so generous. They actually
have given you, guys all a discount if you go
to the Whitman website and you use the coupon code
the Coin Show. There is a special discount that you
guys get at whitman dot com. You're saying, just they
wanted me to tell you the thing direct from the source.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Don't tell anybody though, okay, but the show all one
word put that in at your coupon code.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Sweet discount.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
NGC has announced his twenty twenty five Coin Registry Award winners.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I didn't win again.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I I have a registry. I have a single registry side.
I am my nineteen sixty two proof set is in
there because.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
What can what what rank is that nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Now it's twenty third. Was it one time in the
top ten?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It was twelve, and then it became ninth, and now
it was Yeah, now I was twenty seventh.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
You were very close to receiving that award, so.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Close to adequate and so.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So this year they gave out the awards.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Let's see, the three collectors received the prestigious David Lang
Overall Achievement Award. So Bruce lac Euster Lacouster, Lacouster for
US Modern Coinage cc FFG earned accolades for amassing seven
hundred and fifty seven best in category honors, and that
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was noted for expertise and world coins, particularly late Soviet medals.
Andre Selenin's German Empire type set also what awards. It
was tribute to a once fragmented empire. TD Peterson's Street
sent Nickel, Proof's masterpiece worth studying and packed with top
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pop rarities.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Nice, there's a bunch of awards.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, they do this every year and it's like even
if see I didn't do it to compete, I really didn't.
I just did it because I know that I have
all my coins in this proofset are NGC, so I
knew that I could keep track of them this way,
and I just kind of wanted to know how they
stacked up against, you know, the other ones that were
out there. Upgrading this set costs just I think far
(19:19):
too much for me to bother with, because I think
when you start getting past m s sixty or proof
sixty seven and proof sixty eight, Ultra cameo. Yeah, the
the price and the collector is actually rarer than the coin.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You know a N sixty six sixty five will get
you right where you want to be and caused you.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
A whole lot less.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So mine is uh is twenty third with two and
ninety one points and then the it's called Noodle's birth
Year Proofset by Michael Nettlelman. And they asked me, you know,
for a good comment for it, and I said, the
finest nineteen sixty two proofs that I could assemble.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You're not wrong, no, accurate.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yes, it's like somebody said something to me the other
day about yeah that was a day, and I said, yeah,
of all the days that.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
We've had, that was definitely one of them.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
That was a day.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah. And finally in the news.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
This one may be a little long form too, because
I want Chad to get involved in this.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Oh boy, this is a controversial story. It's a story
of a lovely lady. So the government has made some
twenty twenty five W goldsack of juwea dollars and they
are going to sell them, which that's their prerogative, but
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we're also going to sell Are they going to sell
all all seven of the Yeah, there's going to be
a special group of seven of the twenty twenty or
the two thousand W sack and Julian gold coins that
were struck on half ounce gold planch.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's just the same as these. Oh no, these are
these are struck in.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
God, I gotta get my stuff together.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
These are struck in twenty two carat right.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
These are struck in twenty two kra But the ones
in two thousand were struck in twenty two carrot as well. Yes,
I believe, so, yep, yeah, they were struggle these. Yeah,
these are the originals. These are the ones that were
struck in ninety nine and with the shuttle with well,
and they also are responsible for the Cheerios dollars because
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the Cheerios dollars were actually struck with the same die
pair that was used to strike these that had the
accent of tail feathers. See, somebody asked me about that
this morning, and I wasn't sure on it. So I'm
glad to know that.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yep, that is where those come from. And yeah, so
they're so in the originals. I think they were. Well,
they were in a museum or something.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
They were in Fort Knox. They were never authorized, nobody
ever gave them permission to strike those coins, and they
still have not and they said that when this sells,
they're going to have to monetize them. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, this is the originals. Yeah, these are this is
what started the whole small dollar reboot. Well, the ninety
nine SBA was kind of a fluke.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well it was because they they couldn't strike these yet,
and the Postal Service and a couple other places the
only places in the world that distributed them, you.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Know, they they needed coins.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
We see, so there are they're twelve. There were twelve
coins that were flowing aboard the Space shuttle. Oh yeah, yeah,
and the remaining twenty seven of the coins were just right,
So there are twelve survivors that are gonna sell seven
of them in this loot or in this in this auction.
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But like I said, you know, it's like these are
not And then the twenty twenty five is in twenty
four carrot it is four nines.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
There's actually eight. They're selling eight, okay, okay, one, two, three,
four seven? Yeah, oh no, no, I'm sorry, there are seven.
And then they're selling the very first twenty four carrots
twenty twenty five, right, got it? Okay, So they are
selling the seven. Here's one of them.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So this is gonna be a smaller coin. There's you know,
it's it's a half ounce pure gold versus a half
ounce ninety percent, right, so they're gonna be different side.
But but the thing that just gets stuck in my
craw over this whole thing is they never authorize that coin,
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the one that's on the screen now, they never authorize
that coin.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Yeah, and so.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Instead of destroying them like.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
They probably should have, they kept twelve of them and
now the government's going to sell them off.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
And I just I like this one with its PVC
at the top. There that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Oh is that what that is?
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah? That is one percent BBC on the back of
that coin right there, see the green and everything green.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, Cory clock only about five decimal places over my budget.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I mean, don't get me wrong. It's cool. I mean
it's a cool piece. It is a pattern, right, it's
a jug pattern. I think it has a jut number,
but yeah, I mean mentage of seven. It's just like
any other pattern. No, a lot of the a lot
of the pattern coins out there have vantages of not
very many.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
So well, I think a really really valid point is
when the frostbite makes and the size in these actually
does matter because of the number of people that are
going to be confused by the actual Sagageya dollars now
with gold ones with the you know, and it's just
gonna be simple and simple as look. Do you see
(25:25):
what's the mid mark? What's under all right?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I'm sorry, macer, we do not deal in modern coinage.
I'm sorry, that's you dealing modern.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Of the Harlem Burke will take your modern coinage and
I'll field you questions all day long.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I'll hire somebody to answer those questions. Don't. But it's
like seriously, it's it's like even disagreed with that one. Yeah. True,
So you know size doesn't matter, and and so you're
going to have sackage dollars should be a different.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Size than the the two thousand gold ones, and then
the twenty twenty five is definitely.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
A different size than the two thousand gold ones.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Now I think the gold ones. Are we sure that
they're a different size bank? No, no, no. The twenty
twenties are on twenty twenties.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Made on a twenty two carrot blank and because of that,
it is slightly smaller.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Than a savage away a dollar, Okay, And I.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Think they may have used the same dies and just
the rim is not as wide on that as it
is on the actual dollar.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Paul says they're the same size.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Who asked you, paula nose? She would though, I'm assume
they're the same size because they use the same dye
as to go on and strike the first couple thousand
coins with the Cheerios packaging.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I know they're close, but I thought they were off
by like by like just you know, like hundreds of
a millimeter or something like that, but I thought it
was all It's.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Hard to say. The only difference I know of was
a tail feathers and a little bit of a little
bit of a different design in the wings, I think
in the top wing at least.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
But the modern ones are definitely going to be smaller.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, and they're out. I've had them. I've bought and
sold one already in the secondary market. So yeah, what
did it did?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Look good?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I mean, I hate modern coinage, but it was looked
like a modern coin that was made out of gold
that was too much money.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
But yeah, sure, great. I think Randy got one. I
don't know, I don't know. So that's the news. And
the news was brought to us by breath Mints, making
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Speaker 3 (27:56):
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Speaker 1 (28:00):
To the Coin Show podcast with Matt Dinger and Mike Notelemanny.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Somebody said, how's business been. It's you know, it's been crazy,
and I said, yes, it's been crazy, but I noticed
something really strange. The piles keep getting smaller, but the
checks keep getting bigger. And that's where we've been lately. Uh,
you know, it takes I mean, think about how much
it takes to get to ten thousand dollars now in gold,
that's three half ounces, no, three oh straight five thirty
(28:31):
five that three francs. So it's like every other person
that comes in the doors a five figure checks these days.
It's just getting ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, Or they're wanting you to help them structure it,
or they're wanting you to do things you're not supposed
to do it. It's like, you know, but but the
worst part about that is that law was written.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
When gold was three hundred and fifty bucks an ounce,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So you could buy you could buy thirty ounces of gold,
and that would put you over the limit that made
it's three ounces of gold is a little tough. You're
not money wandering at three ounces. I don't know, no,
not a bar Okay, I'm gonna need to fill out
some paperwork.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, sign here, here and here.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yeah, it's it's ridiculous, but I mean, it just is
what it is lately, and there's just still tons and
tons and tons and tons of stuff walking in the
door and tons and tons of stuff going out the door.
We started doing we've kind of leaned into the streaming
thing a little more with streaming sales and we're shipping out.
I think our average a day right now is about
(29:35):
four mail tubs full of packages going out the door. So, uh,
you know, we're shipping.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Everywhere world that does shipping. Now.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Her name's Emma.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Emma must be ready to kill you.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
No, she's a beast. She helps me sell stuff. Today
we sold jewelry, like you know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean, well, I know that she goes on in
the air with you now, but it was one of
those things where it's like, I know she does all
the shipping, and it's like you're loading her up.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
She's she made the mistake at one point and I said,
are you sure you can handle this? And she looked
at me square in the face and she said, bring it. Okay,
that's not what you do. That's not what you do
when it comes to me, because I will and I
have been. But so far she's keeping up and doing
an awesome job. So I mean it's great, No, it's great.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yep. And yeah, so you guys have been doing eBay Live.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah, you've been doing eBay Dive and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
We do both, Oh and your lost dutchment coins on
both right.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Let's see on eBay Live. We are Indy coin dealer,
but it takes you to the Lost Dutchman reor coins
this thing. And then on Whatnot we are the Lost Dutchman.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
And then we have a second channel on there that
sells nothing but cards, so we're doing cards too.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
You know, Matt, Matt's a deal guy. One time I
somehow stumbled onto one million Magic the Gathering cards and
I bought them. Yeah, so we've been selling millions, lots
and lots and lots of Magic the Gathering Card.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, see, I know what your criteria is. Can I
make money? Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah. And then a couple of weeks ago, I bought
an arrowhead collection that was over ten thousand pieces. That's
been bananas. Yeah. T asks an interesting question. What's better
eBay Live or whatnot? Well really depends on what you're selling.
eBay Live is better for some stuff, and whatnot is
(31:30):
better for other things. It's very strange. I can do
a show, I can do like a what Not for coins,
and on eBay Live they bring more money. But then
I can do an eBay Live for jewelry, and on
Whatnot it brings more money. It's it's very strange, but
certain things do better in certain places.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And it's a day, right.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I I don't make my guys
work late. I don't. We don't do them in the evening.
I do them during normal business hours because I'm not
going to be the bosses is all right, guys, we
gotta start working late now. This is you know, I'm
not gonna do that. So we do them during the day.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
We do saying man that you have to make hay
when the sun is shining.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Correct, I understand that. But you know, one of my
like Spencer, has a young baby at home. You know
I can't. I'm not going to take these people away
from their time at home. So I just can't, I wish.
So we just try to do the best we can
with the time we have. So the other the cool
thing though about eBay Live is you still have the
(32:34):
same buyer protections that you have on on eBay in general,
so if it turns out to be counterfeit, you can
send it back as a counterfeit.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
So, speaking of sending it back, I received a package
from the mind today with my twenty twenty five mind
sets in it. One of the sets is missing your coin.
This is the second time it's happened in three years.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
But yeah, I mean it's a very different dynamic in
both places. It's very I'm still figuring out the nuances
of it and getting things kind of sort of figured
out as to what we're going to kind of push
where and do you know, because the thing is in
(33:20):
a retail store, you can only see so many customers
at a time. You can only sell to one person
at a time. It's the counter, maybe two if you're
really good, you can have two deals going on at once,
whereas on the live stream there's fifty sixty seventy one
hundred people in there that you know, are all at
the same time. So it's just it's it's it's a
(33:40):
supplement to what we do. I'm not changing anything about
the store. I'm not changing anything that we're doing already.
I'm just supplementing and adding it to that too. So
that's that.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You're listening to the coin Show podcast with Matt Dinger
and Mike Noteleman.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
So this may be the greatest coolisting duel ever yours
first minute, okay, and uh, we we do our best
to bring you the best of what we can and stuff.
And I will tell you that there are times when
(34:19):
a coin will come into our shop and we can't
use it for one reason or another because you know,
the person doesn't want to be exposed this that the
other thing. So there are some things that we can't do.
Both of the things that we have tonight are things
that that are just over the top cool.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yeah, I agree, and so I agree. All right, buddy,
Well yours is up. Let me get the screen ready
here for us, all right, real quick.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
While we do that, James Crandell says, never understood the
unopened set thing.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I like to enjoy my coin.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Say, yeah, I'm with you. But the reason people just
store the the the boxed sets is for possible grading
or it's.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Back then, back in the sixties, it was like the
coin roll hunting where they would just get rolls and
never open them, stash them away just so they know
that they have them. They're there.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Well I'm talking about contemporarily. I'm talking about how.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Are just putting them away. They're hoping that it comes
to a grading advantage at some point, or that it
serves as some sort of a proof that it's never
been you know, messed with it all that it's original
as it came from the men. Yeah, I think that's
really all it is.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I recognized, Hey, don't make them sick of my coin.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
That's gonna be that. I will tell you.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
This one came in just last week, and it came
in in a collection of really just stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
It was.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
There was nothing, literally nothing in this collection except for
a couple of wheat pennies, a couple of v nickels,
a couple of Buffalo nikels with no date, and this coin. Okay,
And I'm like, okay, this is kind of cool. So
what do I do. It's a seated coin.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I'm like, hey, Russ, come out here. You need to
look at this. So he comes out to the counter,
he takes a look at it, He flips it over,
looks at it, tells me.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
He says, yeah, yeah, that's a really cool coin. We
should buy that, no problem at all. I'm like, okay, cool,
do you have an idea what you want to pay
for it? And he says, yeah, gives me an idea. Okay, cool,
We're gonna, you know, go out there and make an
offer for it. I'm talking to customer about some other
things About two seconds later, Russ comes flying out of
the back. He says, let me see that coin again,
(36:42):
and I handed it to him. And this reverse is
the important side because if you look, this one has
a motto. Yes it does. This is an eighteen sixty
three half it is. And the only way that it
would have a motto.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Is if this was a pack Ooh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
They did some pattern that is known for this eighteen
sixty three.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
What's really cool about this is it was in a
rare coal flip and they didn't call it out as
a pattern either.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Oh that happens. That happens. There's some of them that
are very sneaky. Some of the patterns are like stuff
that they ended up going with later that you wouldn't catch, like,
for example, eighteen fifty nine, since there is a pattern
that has the shield at the top on the back,
which most of the time they do, but eighteen fifty
nine was the one year where they didn't. Right, So
(37:37):
a lot of times people will just miss that coin.
You can actually one.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
And a shield rather than the laurel wreath that you
normally found on fifty nines.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
I picked one on eBay one time.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, so this was and and that was the thing
that that meant a lot to me. So this coin
was in an old collection that it had been impounded
for decades. Yeah, nobody even knew that it existed.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
And this is the same composition, right.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
It's yeah, it's it's it's the same thing. It's it's silver.
They made I want to say, they made twelve.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
They made them in silver, they made them in white metal,
and they made them in bronze.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
And do they know if they used this obverse dye
as well, because I mean it's kind of die crack
coming through the star here, which takes some pretty significant
use before you start to crack the eyes like that.
I'm wondering if they just struck regular coinage with this first,
and then they were thinking about they just grabbed one
of the adverse eyes and to strike with this reverse.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, I used to It's very possible.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I'm really not sure, and I'm not, you know, because
they say there's only twelve, and that dye has an
awful lot of wear for twelve, right, you know, So
there's something going on there, but really super interesting. We
almost didn't catch it, probably wouldn't have caught it. And yes,
it wishes a normal coin, and so what we decided
(39:03):
to do was we told lady, we said, look, let's
have this authenticated and graded and then we can make
an intelligent offer for it. So all the other stuff,
you know, we bought, and we bought it like we
normally do, but this was something special, and you know,
so she's going to get a nice payday out of it,
and we're going to get a really cool coin.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Neat, that's a neat coin. What neat is what I
brought though, Yeah, we'll see. I'm just kidding. So here's
a coin that came across my counter, speaking of coins
that have been off the market for a long time,
I present you this eighteen sixty eight three dollar gold
piece that was certified by MGC as MS sixty five.
(39:48):
And the coin was actually very very slightly proof like,
and we almost considered it looks proof like it very
much is. I almost considered sending this coin back in
to see if they wouldn't put a pl designation on it,
but it sold so quickly I didn't even get a
chance to do that. So stupid rare coin. This coin
(40:11):
was actually put away when the holder that it was
in was contemporary so the coin was an investment coin.
It was bought in this era, which twenty years ago
or so was and they were using these holders, and
it went straight into a safe deposit box at that
time and came out about two and a half three
weeks ago. So very very interesting coin. Like I said,
(40:35):
the coin was the semiproof like coin. I didn't even
the pop on this coin was was minuscule. I think
I think this is the finest known example at MGC,
and there might be like one or two finer at PCGS.
Maybe just stupid, stupid, stupid rare coin. This is a
five figure coin all day and a fun little coin.
(40:59):
And it just walked in the door. The guy, the
guy that brought it in didn't even call Pops in
the door. Nothing did. We didn't know he was coming.
He just had his stupid rare Oh yeah, I mean yeah, yeah,
I mean, well, any any three dollar gold piece in
five is a rare coin. But yes, this particular one
because it had the pl surfaces it you know, uh,
(41:21):
is in an old holder. It's just it was just
a And the funny thing is that morning Spencer said
to me, he goes, he goes, man, I'm getting tired
of buying bully and I really hope something some real
coin coins walk in the day. And this guy walked
in with the whole NJC box full of this kind
of stuff. This was just the coolest one. Yeah, this
(41:43):
was just the coolest one that was in the box.
So that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
So I'm sure the unnamed source at some point will
put up a poll on the on the Facebook yep
for this and uh, we watched a vote for which
one do.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You think is going to be the coolest? You know,
both of.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
These are exceptionally rare coins and very cool, and so
this should be an interesting result because they both come
from the same era.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
And it's funny. Rob does make a great point here.
He says one is rare, the other is conditionally rare,
and that's a really good point. They're two different versions
of rarity here and we're looking at both of them.
So I know. So I told you guys it was
going to be a grudge match. So if you guys
want to vote and you're not on Friends of the
(42:33):
Coin Show on Facebook, you need to be. There's seven
thousand of you yocals in there. You should come and
hang out and discuss coins. There's a lot of fun
conversation that happens in there.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
So this spring we passed a milestone between this podcast
for fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
What about that. Yeah, so we're in our sixteenth year
of doing this.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I think we beat all the bad stuff out of it,
which is kind of cool. And ye, so, well, you know,
there's still a clunker here or there as long as
I'm around, there.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Be and so, uh, you know, we'll have to see
what this year brings. But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
We've got a lot of really cool stuff ruined. We've
got book recommendations, we've got book reviews, we have Uh,
we'll have some guests, we'll have some interviews. We're gonna
be traveling doing some shows.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
We are really becoming your full service podcast.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
There's a lot of things happening. Yes, Chug chug chug
jugga chug a chugga chew.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Well, I mean I think about when we started this
and how all we really wanted to do was just
put something out that was worth listening to.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
And for about the first twenty five episodes, it was
definitely not worth listening to.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Well that's whatever.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I figured it out. Okay, we got a lot to
say it, we got we got it figured out.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yes, all right, So go to go to our pages
at Friends of the Coin Show if you want to
interact with us, if you want to see everything that
everybody that has something to say says. We also have
our show page the Coin Show. We're now on Instagram.
We are taking the talks. We do quite a few
(44:20):
shorts now. Matt has been like a machine at putting
that stuff together. I am going to try to do more.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
You know, my job is I.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Get interrupted a lot, and so it makes it really
hard for me to do some of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
But I will try and do more.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
And as we have figured out, there's definitely enough fodder
for it.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yes, so yes, So we'll get to that.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
We'd like to thank all the people that help us
put this together, all the people that have helped us
put it together for all these years, and every single
one of them, we love them and they're part of
family to us. And you guys are family too. We
really appreciate the people that listened. Without you, this entire
endeavor is just pointless. So we've got two more shows
(45:08):
to go to our semi quincentennial. It's gonna be a
thing I have to Yeah, we're gonna have to do something. Sure, Yeah,
we're gonna have to do something.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
If we just get as many people that we've interacted
with over the years on in one giant room and
literally just chit chat.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Look, I'm good on that. So that's what That's what
Great American Coin Show could be. Yeah, people want to
show up and meet us. We're gonna be there. Sure
have some fun. We're gonna be there for one day,
one night only, for one night only. But anyway, so
(45:50):
thank you to everybody, and I guess we will talk
to you next. Oh, hold on and say only a
king signia if they both wear the dress that comes
with I'm in, if.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
He's in, I'm there.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Are we wearing dresses on the Semiquincentennial? Is that what
I heard?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Well, King SENIORA oh yeah, turn fifteen.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
I was gonna say, I have to get on Amazon
quickly if we're doing that.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I don't think they make sizes for me.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Oh I bet they make them for me, buddy, I'm
getting Friely shoulders and everything. Dude creating shoulder pads. I
see rock.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
And pearls and all this. I've seen it.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
We're doing it. It's done.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
That is freak flag fly.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Right, and we will talk to you odd Episode two
forty nine of the coin Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Thanks for listening, everybody.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Good night.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
It is episode to forty eight of the Coin Show Podcast.
I'm Bike and I'm man to forty eight.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I mean, as we're closing in on something, I.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Think two more to the semi Sexquentennial.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, there you go, So our own semiquin centennial.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, that's what I said.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You may have it before day before our nation had it.
You never know, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So on tonight's show, we are going to we're going
to talk about our break and you know what we
did over the summer. We are going to do, of course,
the coolest thing that walked into our show and into
our shops. And we have the entire summer to have
picked from.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
So it's gonna be a grudge match.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I can actually tell you a real a real slug fest.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And uh and we're also going to uh just talk
about things in general and what we have coming up.
What is what is going to be new this fall
for us, because it's like we've got some new segments
and some new stuff coming.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
But first, as always.
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Speaker 2 (01:55):
So, as was reported earlier in our in our very
own chat here, the World's Fair of Money in Oklahoma
City was at a resounding success.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
You know, I heard that and it kind of sort
of surprised me, but again it was yeah, yeah, I mean,
everybody that I knew we didn't go, unfortunately, because I
think for us that's like a twelve or fourteen hour drive,
and I love going to coincos, but if we're going
to you know, in A and A, then we have
(02:27):
to travel really heavy, and it's not something I can
fly with, so somebody has to drive, and I just
did not want to do that, yeah, being quite honest.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So it was the expectation that it being in Oklahoma City,
and particularly with Oklahoma City having sales tax on currency,
that it was going to hurt the show and the
show wasn't going to be as good it wouldn't be
as well attended, and all of those things were absolutely wrong,
because people loved it. They went there, they did good business,
(03:01):
and everybody I heard had a great show that they
had a hard time keeping enough stuff in their in
their cases, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yep, I heard the exact same thing. So awesome, great,
good for them. I loved it. For the ANA, I
was a little worried, but now I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yes, okay, So here's something I want to spend a
minute on.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Because the US minute brought back the nineteen sixteen gold
half dollar, so this is going to be the semi
quin centennial offering. I have to look it's because this
(03:43):
is going to be a twenty twenty six coin. It's
got a half ounce four nines gold silver metal.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Well, got a half hours and a silver medal.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Sorry, there you go. Yeah, it's a half ounce fine
gold coin in four nines. Here's the problem. They did
this before, and it's the wrong size. It's about the
size of a quarter, and because of that, it was
not popular and people didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Hey, but this time it's got a privy mark.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
That's a mint mark.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
No, it's got a privy mark too. If you look
up above a guy we trust oh body.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Okay, it's hard to see it on my thing, but yeah,
you're right, I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And what's more important is look at the silver metal.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Oh boy, I I'm having a really hard time with
this one.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I mean it's very comic book is Oh yeah, do
we live in comic book times? I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Mean that's walking liberty. It's a different perspective about it. Right,
she's got the uh, the whole reason her in her
one arm, and her hand is pointed towards the dawn
of a new day, and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Hair and the dress with the stripes, and right.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Well, the dress with the stripes is supposed to be
the American flag and that does not show up.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Here at all. Yeah. Yeah, you know the eagle is
dive bombing something.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yeah, you're not kidding. Uh, you know. Luckily for us,
it's just a metal, it's not a coin, so they
can do whatever they want there. I don't care. How's that?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yes, but man, that eagle looks predatory.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
If you're gonna make something goofy with a with an
egle that looks like it's about to eat your face off,
go ahead, and do it on a metal for me, please. Yeah,
it's fine.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I just it's like, I just can't with this out verse.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I man, and wait wait wait, wait, ask Russ about
knife hands.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
She's making a knife hand, she.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Is making hands. You're right, yep, you're right.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I think this is really really aggressively posing America. And
they screwed the pooch again because they had a chance
to make it right with the half dollar and make
them on eagle blanks instead of making them on buffalo blanks.
But this I think goes back to who can authorize it, right,
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So this doesn't take an Act of Congress, it doesn't
take anything.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
The director of the mint can actually order this stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, okay, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
You know the coin itself will the half ounce gold
with the walking Liberty design, it'll tell okay, But you're
right if it was, if it was the half outside,
it would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So I gave you another article that has what I
think are just more straightforward pictures of what they're going
to look like.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Oh yeah, here we go. And I still don't see
the privy mark.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
It's right above, it's right here, right above, And God,
we trust there's a two hundred and fifty inside the
Liberty bill.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Oh okay, yeah, if you enlarge the picture you can
see it a whole lot better, because that's what's going
to go on the scent two fifty with the liberty bill. Ye,
there it is, But I wanted to give you a
you know, a better set of pictures on it that
just weren't so right.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I haven't been paying attention to these at all, so
this is actually the first time I've seen these, to
be quite honest with you.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Look, it was a great idea. They hit gold literally
when they made the.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Gold buffalo fractionals because they made a quarter ounce and
the quarterouns is really pretty much exactly the same size
as the nickel.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
So it was a solid gold buffalo nickel that were
really popular.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
People loved them, and they decided, uh what six years later,
eight years later to do it again, and this time
they were going to do the dime order and the
half but they made him on the wrong size blanks, and.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Because the quarter the quarter was good.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It's still small though the quarter is not much the
quarters of a nickel, it's not that small. It's still
a quarter ounce. Yeah, it's the same size coin as
the Buffalo nickel and a half ounce for the for
the half That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
It's like these are just they're too small, and they
screwed the pooch again.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, they could have made amount of ninety percent made
them actual size or repose you and and people.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You know, and even if they didn't quite make them
the exact size, they would be closer, right, people would
salute the effort. Yeah, this looks like a handhanded attempt.
Ham Fisted said the.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yeah, yeah, I don't disagree with you, that's all.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Hey, you know what it was gonna be? What three
stories before Mike got angry about something.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah, no joke.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
The US Mint has the twenty twenty five palladium coin
coming out, and I love this headline.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
A legend returns with a six thousand mintage limit.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Here's the funny thing. The ones from last year are
still available. Yeah, right, it had a six thousand mintage limit.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Oh, here it is. This is the story Dad, these
backwards six thousand mintage limit. I mean, okay, again, I
like the design. I like using the mercury diamond versus
it's cool. Nowhere near the right size, and you know
the reverse is okay. I don't hate the coin itself.
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It's just palladium.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, no, who wants a palladium coin?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I don't know too many people that are out looking
for palladium. Yeah that there are.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
There are not many people buying platinum and palladium seems
to me to be kind of a uh.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, it's it's adjacent to that.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And if you read the story, it says, with an
exceptionally lamentage of just six thousand coins, is limited release
did not sell out within its verse twenty four hour
release period, right, well.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Because it's priced in seventeen hundred dollars and palladium is
like twelve hundred bucks.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, they're just somewhere in there. Just the premiums are
too high. They're just too high.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
What is that guy that you need pictures?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
They look like a a straight uh you know, uncirculatedmitted coin. Yeah,
this coin is gonna be a reverse proof. Okay, look
at the caption underneath the picture.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, you're right right there, reverse proof huh. Okay, But
I was gonna say this, This whole thing reminds me
of that guy that used to talk about the rent
and how it's too damn high. Well, the premiums are
too damn high.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So, and and when you're looking at metals prices, I
think we all agree that metals prices are.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Very high right now. You're not wrong, right, So if
they return.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
To some level of reason again, this stuff is going
to go way back down. And that's the problem is
you're going to own it at fifteen hundred bucks or
seventeen hundred bucks when palladium's worth like six hundred.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Well, but then they have a you know, but then
they have you know, I was explaining this to somebody
the other day, and we can talk about here a
little more later, but you know the fact that a
lot of things are becoming just metal right now that
used to have a premium. Hopefully, when if the market
turns the other direction, the premiums will come back and
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you'll have a little bit of a little bit of
security against just the metal value of it declining. So
hard to say if that's going to be a thing, but.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Hard to say.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I think that now that I have a professional opinion
to offer on it, what I think is going to
happen is that the prices of metals will come down
and the premiums won't reappear for several hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Oh yeah, no, I agree, But like I was talking
about there today, there are some like Saints in five
are almost just gold, are just correct?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
You make it five all day long from melt.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
They're getting really close to five. And what I was
saying is that when gold does come back down, you
know you're gonna the premiums will reappear, and eventually they
will stop following at a certain point and stabilize. So
it's kind of a hedge against the inflation against the decline.
But it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, it'll have some, but the question is is when
and how much? Right the comic book releases, they here's
the designs for them, and uh, here's the thing. If
you don't know comic book people, they're kind of nerdy
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about detail.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Oh god, yeah, if let's see. I actually was thinking
about going and seeing how much they were complaining about
them already.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yes, because they already are.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So we have somebody in our shop who is a
huge Batman fan, and I we knew that this coin
was gonna be and his first impression of it was,
why did they have it canted like that? Yeah, you know,
it's the whole thing is like, that doesn't look like
the comic.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
All right, everybody do it with me? Oh yeah, okay,
I see it now. Not to mention Batman is ripped.
What is that his abs got?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Batman was supposed to be ripped at least.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
But like his abs got abs here, like we're looking
at one ta yeah, super sporting and a peg. Yeah,
but Batman, Batman's got an eight pack on his ribs.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yes, yes he does. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
That's crazy talk.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And then Superman is in a kind of classic pose,
but not how he flies.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, No, he's hovering. He's just hovering.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, so so uh, our Batman expert had less of
a problem with that one.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
The Wonder Woman one is uh, I actually like that one, asked,
out of the three. I agree. I like the American
flag as the background. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I guess it's hard to convey motion on a coin
because he got a little bit of it with the
Batman coin. But he's in free fall. He's in mid air,
so he's falling and or flying and.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Or the thing is he doesn't fly. I'm wondering what's
going on with him.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
He's he's just going Yeah, he's just doing Batman things.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Well, doesn't fly though, Well, he jumps off buildings and
can do some flips in the air and laying on
the ground, you know, like that's probably what he's doing, right.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Sure that that bird looks like, you know, he's close
to the ground.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, the eagle, the ego kind of confuses me. But whatever,
they could have gone without the eagle could Yeah, Superman
doesn't have an egle. I see no ego on the
Superman coin. Just very odd. They're right, the Batman coin
is odd. I don't like it. The other two.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I'm you know, here's the here's the number one rule
in writing. Always remember your audience.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah, Batman looks like he's sliding into second Like, that's
what Batman looks.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Like he's going to take up.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He's going to take up tat the short style exactly.
That's what it looks like. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And then Frostbite said the reverse on the Superman's horrible too.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah, I didn't even see it. Let me see uh
that article? Oh lame?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah? Oh what do you get for free?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Whitman has unveiled the new Red Book titles that they're
going to come out with this year for coin collectors,
and I want to tell you a little preview.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
One of the things that we're going to do this
year that we.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
We kind of started and left it go and now
we're coming back to it is what is Mike reading?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And uh, I will tell you that the Red Book series?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You know, so we have uh they sent me the
Red Book on Washington Quarters. They sent me the one
on Shield and Liberty had Nichols and you expect a.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Review of both of those coming this fall.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I like it. And Whitman is so generous. They actually
have given you, guys all a discount if you go
to the Whitman website and you use the coupon code
the Coin Show. There is a special discount that you
guys get at whitman dot com. You're saying, just they
wanted me to tell you the thing direct from the source.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Don't tell anybody though, okay, but the show all one
word put that in at your coupon code.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Sweet discount.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
NGC has announced his twenty twenty five Coin Registry Award winners.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I didn't win again.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I I have a registry. I have a single registry side.
I am my nineteen sixty two proof set is in
there because.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
What can what what rank is that nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Now it's twenty third. Was it one time in the
top ten?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It was twelve, and then it became ninth, and now
it was Yeah, now I was twenty seventh.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
You were very close to receiving that award, so.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Close to adequate and so.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So this year they gave out the awards.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Let's see, the three collectors received the prestigious David Lang
Overall Achievement Award. So Bruce lac Euster Lacouster, Lacouster for
US Modern Coinage cc FFG earned accolades for amassing seven
hundred and fifty seven best in category honors, and that
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was noted for expertise and world coins, particularly late Soviet medals.
Andre Selenin's German Empire type set also what awards. It
was tribute to a once fragmented empire. TD Peterson's Street
sent Nickel, Proof's masterpiece worth studying and packed with top
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pop rarities.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Nice, there's a bunch of awards.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, they do this every year and it's like even
if see I didn't do it to compete, I really didn't.
I just did it because I know that I have
all my coins in this proofset are NGC, so I
knew that I could keep track of them this way,
and I just kind of wanted to know how they
stacked up against, you know, the other ones that were
out there. Upgrading this set costs just I think far
(19:19):
too much for me to bother with, because I think
when you start getting past m s sixty or proof
sixty seven and proof sixty eight, Ultra cameo. Yeah, the
the price and the collector is actually rarer than the coin.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You know a N sixty six sixty five will get
you right where you want to be and caused you.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
A whole lot less.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So mine is uh is twenty third with two and
ninety one points and then the it's called Noodle's birth
Year Proofset by Michael Nettlelman. And they asked me, you know,
for a good comment for it, and I said, the
finest nineteen sixty two proofs that I could assemble.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You're not wrong, no, accurate.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yes, it's like somebody said something to me the other
day about yeah that was a day, and I said, yeah,
of all the days that.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
We've had, that was definitely one of them.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
That was a day.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah. And finally in the news.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
This one may be a little long form too, because
I want Chad to get involved in this.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Oh boy, this is a controversial story. It's a story
of a lovely lady. So the government has made some
twenty twenty five W goldsack of juwea dollars and they
are going to sell them, which that's their prerogative, but
(20:52):
we're also going to sell Are they going to sell
all all seven of the Yeah, there's going to be
a special group of seven of the twenty twenty or
the two thousand W sack and Julian gold coins that
were struck on half ounce gold planch.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's just the same as these. Oh no, these are
these are struck in.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
God, I gotta get my stuff together.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
These are struck in twenty two carat right.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
These are struck in twenty two kra But the ones
in two thousand were struck in twenty two carrot as well. Yes,
I believe, so, yep, yeah, they were struggle these. Yeah,
these are the originals. These are the ones that were
struck in ninety nine and with the shuttle with well,
and they also are responsible for the Cheerios dollars because
(21:43):
the Cheerios dollars were actually struck with the same die
pair that was used to strike these that had the
accent of tail feathers. See, somebody asked me about that
this morning, and I wasn't sure on it. So I'm
glad to know that.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yep, that is where those come from. And yeah, so
they're so in the originals. I think they were. Well,
they were in a museum or something.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
They were in Fort Knox. They were never authorized, nobody
ever gave them permission to strike those coins, and they
still have not and they said that when this sells,
they're going to have to monetize them. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, this is the originals. Yeah, these are this is
what started the whole small dollar reboot. Well, the ninety
nine SBA was kind of a fluke.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well it was because they they couldn't strike these yet,
and the Postal Service and a couple other places the
only places in the world that distributed them, you.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Know, they they needed coins.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
We see, so there are they're twelve. There were twelve
coins that were flowing aboard the Space shuttle. Oh yeah, yeah,
and the remaining twenty seven of the coins were just right,
So there are twelve survivors that are gonna sell seven
of them in this loot or in this in this auction.
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But like I said, you know, it's like these are
not And then the twenty twenty five is in twenty
four carrot it is four nines.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
There's actually eight. They're selling eight, okay, okay, one, two, three,
four seven? Yeah, oh no, no, I'm sorry, there are seven.
And then they're selling the very first twenty four carrots
twenty twenty five, right, got it? Okay, So they are
selling the seven. Here's one of them.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So this is gonna be a smaller coin. There's you know,
it's it's a half ounce pure gold versus a half
ounce ninety percent, right, so they're gonna be different side.
But but the thing that just gets stuck in my
craw over this whole thing is they never authorize that coin,
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the one that's on the screen now, they never authorize
that coin.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Yeah, and so.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Instead of destroying them like.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
They probably should have, they kept twelve of them and
now the government's going to sell them off.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
And I just I like this one with its PVC
at the top. There that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Oh is that what that is?
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah? That is one percent BBC on the back of
that coin right there, see the green and everything green.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, Cory clock only about five decimal places over my budget.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I mean, don't get me wrong. It's cool. I mean
it's a cool piece. It is a pattern, right, it's
a jug pattern. I think it has a jut number,
but yeah, I mean mentage of seven. It's just like
any other pattern. No, a lot of the a lot
of the pattern coins out there have vantages of not
very many.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
So well, I think a really really valid point is
when the frostbite makes and the size in these actually
does matter because of the number of people that are
going to be confused by the actual Sagageya dollars now
with gold ones with the you know, and it's just
gonna be simple and simple as look. Do you see
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what's the mid mark? What's under all right?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I'm sorry, macer, we do not deal in modern coinage.
I'm sorry, that's you dealing modern.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Of the Harlem Burke will take your modern coinage and
I'll field you questions all day long.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I'll hire somebody to answer those questions. Don't. But it's
like seriously, it's it's like even disagreed with that one. Yeah. True,
So you know size doesn't matter, and and so you're
going to have sackage dollars should be a different.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Size than the the two thousand gold ones, and then
the twenty twenty five is definitely.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
A different size than the two thousand gold ones.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Now I think the gold ones. Are we sure that
they're a different size bank? No, no, no. The twenty
twenties are on twenty twenties.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Made on a twenty two carrot blank and because of that,
it is slightly smaller.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Than a savage away a dollar, Okay, And I.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Think they may have used the same dies and just
the rim is not as wide on that as it
is on the actual dollar.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Paul says they're the same size.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Who asked you, paula nose? She would though, I'm assume
they're the same size because they use the same dye
as to go on and strike the first couple thousand
coins with the Cheerios packaging.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I know they're close, but I thought they were off
by like by like just you know, like hundreds of
a millimeter or something like that, but I thought it
was all It's.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Hard to say. The only difference I know of was
a tail feathers and a little bit of a little
bit of a different design in the wings, I think
in the top wing at least.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
But the modern ones are definitely going to be smaller.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, and they're out. I've had them. I've bought and
sold one already in the secondary market. So yeah, what
did it did?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Look good?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I mean, I hate modern coinage, but it was looked
like a modern coin that was made out of gold
that was too much money.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
But yeah, sure, great. I think Randy got one. I
don't know, I don't know. So that's the news. And
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Speaker 3 (27:56):
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To the Coin Show podcast with Matt Dinger and Mike Notelemanny.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Somebody said, how's business been. It's you know, it's been crazy,
and I said, yes, it's been crazy, but I noticed
something really strange. The piles keep getting smaller, but the
checks keep getting bigger. And that's where we've been lately. Uh,
you know, it takes I mean, think about how much
it takes to get to ten thousand dollars now in gold,
that's three half ounces, no, three oh straight five thirty
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five that three francs. So it's like every other person
that comes in the doors a five figure checks these days.
It's just getting ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, Or they're wanting you to help them structure it,
or they're wanting you to do things you're not supposed
to do it. It's like, you know, but but the
worst part about that is that law was written.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
When gold was three hundred and fifty bucks an ounce,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So you could buy you could buy thirty ounces of gold,
and that would put you over the limit that made
it's three ounces of gold is a little tough. You're
not money wandering at three ounces. I don't know, no,
not a bar Okay, I'm gonna need to fill out
some paperwork.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, sign here, here and here.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yeah, it's it's ridiculous, but I mean, it just is
what it is lately, and there's just still tons and
tons and tons and tons of stuff walking in the
door and tons and tons of stuff going out the door.
We started doing we've kind of leaned into the streaming
thing a little more with streaming sales and we're shipping out.
I think our average a day right now is about
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four mail tubs full of packages going out the door. So, uh,
you know, we're shipping.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Everywhere world that does shipping. Now.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Her name's Emma.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Emma must be ready to kill you.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
No, she's a beast. She helps me sell stuff. Today
we sold jewelry, like you know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean, well, I know that she goes on in
the air with you now, but it was one of
those things where it's like, I know she does all
the shipping, and it's like you're loading her up.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
She's she made the mistake at one point and I said,
are you sure you can handle this? And she looked
at me square in the face and she said, bring it. Okay,
that's not what you do. That's not what you do
when it comes to me, because I will and I
have been. But so far she's keeping up and doing
an awesome job. So I mean it's great, No, it's great.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yep. And yeah, so you guys have been doing eBay Live.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah, you've been doing eBay Dive and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
We do both, Oh and your lost dutchment coins on
both right.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Let's see on eBay Live. We are Indy coin dealer,
but it takes you to the Lost Dutchman reor coins
this thing. And then on Whatnot we are the Lost Dutchman.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
And then we have a second channel on there that
sells nothing but cards, so we're doing cards too.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
You know, Matt, Matt's a deal guy. One time I
somehow stumbled onto one million Magic the Gathering cards and
I bought them. Yeah, so we've been selling millions, lots
and lots and lots of Magic the Gathering Card.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, see, I know what your criteria is. Can I
make money? Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah. And then a couple of weeks ago, I bought
an arrowhead collection that was over ten thousand pieces. That's
been bananas. Yeah. T asks an interesting question. What's better
eBay Live or whatnot? Well really depends on what you're selling.
eBay Live is better for some stuff, and whatnot is
(31:30):
better for other things. It's very strange. I can do
a show, I can do like a what Not for coins,
and on eBay Live they bring more money. But then
I can do an eBay Live for jewelry, and on
Whatnot it brings more money. It's it's very strange, but
certain things do better in certain places.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And it's a day, right.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I I don't make my guys
work late. I don't. We don't do them in the evening.
I do them during normal business hours because I'm not
going to be the bosses is all right, guys, we
gotta start working late now. This is you know, I'm
not gonna do that. So we do them during the day.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
We do saying man that you have to make hay
when the sun is shining.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Correct, I understand that. But you know, one of my
like Spencer, has a young baby at home. You know
I can't. I'm not going to take these people away
from their time at home. So I just can't, I wish.
So we just try to do the best we can
with the time we have. So the other the cool
thing though about eBay Live is you still have the
(32:34):
same buyer protections that you have on on eBay in general,
so if it turns out to be counterfeit, you can
send it back as a counterfeit.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
So, speaking of sending it back, I received a package
from the mind today with my twenty twenty five mind
sets in it. One of the sets is missing your coin.
This is the second time it's happened in three years.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
But yeah, I mean it's a very different dynamic in
both places. It's very I'm still figuring out the nuances
of it and getting things kind of sort of figured
out as to what we're going to kind of push
where and do you know, because the thing is in
(33:20):
a retail store, you can only see so many customers
at a time. You can only sell to one person
at a time. It's the counter, maybe two if you're
really good, you can have two deals going on at once,
whereas on the live stream there's fifty sixty seventy one
hundred people in there that you know, are all at
the same time. So it's just it's it's it's a
(33:40):
supplement to what we do. I'm not changing anything about
the store. I'm not changing anything that we're doing already.
I'm just supplementing and adding it to that too. So
that's that.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You're listening to the coin Show podcast with Matt Dinger
and Mike Noteleman.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
So this may be the greatest coolisting duel ever yours
first minute, okay, and uh, we we do our best
to bring you the best of what we can and stuff.
And I will tell you that there are times when
(34:19):
a coin will come into our shop and we can't
use it for one reason or another because you know,
the person doesn't want to be exposed this that the
other thing. So there are some things that we can't do.
Both of the things that we have tonight are things
that that are just over the top cool.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yeah, I agree, and so I agree. All right, buddy,
Well yours is up. Let me get the screen ready
here for us, all right, real quick.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
While we do that, James Crandell says, never understood the
unopened set thing.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I like to enjoy my coin.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Say, yeah, I'm with you. But the reason people just
store the the the boxed sets is for possible grading
or it's.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Back then, back in the sixties, it was like the
coin roll hunting where they would just get rolls and
never open them, stash them away just so they know
that they have them. They're there.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Well I'm talking about contemporarily. I'm talking about how.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Are just putting them away. They're hoping that it comes
to a grading advantage at some point, or that it
serves as some sort of a proof that it's never
been you know, messed with it all that it's original
as it came from the men. Yeah, I think that's
really all it is.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I recognized, Hey, don't make them sick of my coin.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
That's gonna be that. I will tell you.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
This one came in just last week, and it came
in in a collection of really just stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
It was.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
There was nothing, literally nothing in this collection except for
a couple of wheat pennies, a couple of v nickels,
a couple of Buffalo nikels with no date, and this coin. Okay,
And I'm like, okay, this is kind of cool. So
what do I do. It's a seated coin.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I'm like, hey, Russ, come out here. You need to
look at this. So he comes out to the counter,
he takes a look at it, He flips it over,
looks at it, tells me.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
He says, yeah, yeah, that's a really cool coin. We
should buy that, no problem at all. I'm like, okay, cool,
do you have an idea what you want to pay
for it? And he says, yeah, gives me an idea. Okay, cool,
We're gonna, you know, go out there and make an
offer for it. I'm talking to customer about some other
things About two seconds later, Russ comes flying out of
the back. He says, let me see that coin again,
(36:42):
and I handed it to him. And this reverse is
the important side because if you look, this one has
a motto. Yes it does. This is an eighteen sixty
three half it is. And the only way that it
would have a motto.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Is if this was a pack Ooh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
They did some pattern that is known for this eighteen
sixty three.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
What's really cool about this is it was in a
rare coal flip and they didn't call it out as
a pattern either.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Oh that happens. That happens. There's some of them that
are very sneaky. Some of the patterns are like stuff
that they ended up going with later that you wouldn't catch, like,
for example, eighteen fifty nine, since there is a pattern
that has the shield at the top on the back,
which most of the time they do, but eighteen fifty
nine was the one year where they didn't. Right, So
(37:37):
a lot of times people will just miss that coin.
You can actually one.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
And a shield rather than the laurel wreath that you
normally found on fifty nines.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
I picked one on eBay one time.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, so this was and and that was the thing
that that meant a lot to me. So this coin
was in an old collection that it had been impounded
for decades. Yeah, nobody even knew that it existed.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
And this is the same composition, right.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
It's yeah, it's it's it's the same thing. It's it's silver.
They made I want to say, they made twelve.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
They made them in silver, they made them in white metal,
and they made them in bronze.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
And do they know if they used this obverse dye
as well, because I mean it's kind of die crack
coming through the star here, which takes some pretty significant
use before you start to crack the eyes like that.
I'm wondering if they just struck regular coinage with this first,
and then they were thinking about they just grabbed one
of the adverse eyes and to strike with this reverse.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, I used to It's very possible.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I'm really not sure, and I'm not, you know, because
they say there's only twelve, and that dye has an
awful lot of wear for twelve, right, you know, So
there's something going on there, but really super interesting. We
almost didn't catch it, probably wouldn't have caught it. And yes,
it wishes a normal coin, and so what we decided
(39:03):
to do was we told lady, we said, look, let's
have this authenticated and graded and then we can make
an intelligent offer for it. So all the other stuff,
you know, we bought, and we bought it like we
normally do, but this was something special, and you know,
so she's going to get a nice payday out of it,
and we're going to get a really cool coin.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Neat, that's a neat coin. What neat is what I
brought though, Yeah, we'll see. I'm just kidding. So here's
a coin that came across my counter, speaking of coins
that have been off the market for a long time,
I present you this eighteen sixty eight three dollar gold
piece that was certified by MGC as MS sixty five.
(39:48):
And the coin was actually very very slightly proof like,
and we almost considered it looks proof like it very
much is. I almost considered sending this coin back in
to see if they wouldn't put a pl designation on it,
but it sold so quickly I didn't even get a
chance to do that. So stupid rare coin. This coin
(40:11):
was actually put away when the holder that it was
in was contemporary so the coin was an investment coin.
It was bought in this era, which twenty years ago
or so was and they were using these holders, and
it went straight into a safe deposit box at that
time and came out about two and a half three
weeks ago. So very very interesting coin. Like I said,
(40:35):
the coin was the semiproof like coin. I didn't even
the pop on this coin was was minuscule. I think
I think this is the finest known example at MGC,
and there might be like one or two finer at PCGS.
Maybe just stupid, stupid, stupid rare coin. This is a
five figure coin all day and a fun little coin.
(40:59):
And it just walked in the door. The guy, the
guy that brought it in didn't even call Pops in
the door. Nothing did. We didn't know he was coming.
He just had his stupid rare Oh yeah, I mean yeah, yeah,
I mean, well, any any three dollar gold piece in
five is a rare coin. But yes, this particular one
because it had the pl surfaces it you know, uh,
(41:21):
is in an old holder. It's just it was just
a And the funny thing is that morning Spencer said
to me, he goes, he goes, man, I'm getting tired
of buying bully and I really hope something some real
coin coins walk in the day. And this guy walked
in with the whole NJC box full of this kind
of stuff. This was just the coolest one. Yeah, this
(41:43):
was just the coolest one that was in the box.
So that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
So I'm sure the unnamed source at some point will
put up a poll on the on the Facebook yep
for this and uh, we watched a vote for which
one do.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
You think is going to be the coolest? You know,
both of.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
These are exceptionally rare coins and very cool, and so
this should be an interesting result because they both come
from the same era.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
And it's funny. Rob does make a great point here.
He says one is rare, the other is conditionally rare,
and that's a really good point. They're two different versions
of rarity here and we're looking at both of them.
So I know. So I told you guys it was
going to be a grudge match. So if you guys
want to vote and you're not on Friends of the
(42:33):
Coin Show on Facebook, you need to be. There's seven
thousand of you yocals in there. You should come and
hang out and discuss coins. There's a lot of fun
conversation that happens in there.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
So this spring we passed a milestone between this podcast
for fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
What about that. Yeah, so we're in our sixteenth year
of doing this.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I think we beat all the bad stuff out of it,
which is kind of cool. And ye, so, well, you know,
there's still a clunker here or there as long as
I'm around, there.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Be and so, uh, you know, we'll have to see
what this year brings. But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
We've got a lot of really cool stuff ruined. We've
got book recommendations, we've got book reviews, we have Uh,
we'll have some guests, we'll have some interviews. We're gonna
be traveling doing some shows.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
We are really becoming your full service podcast.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
There's a lot of things happening. Yes, Chug chug chug
jugga chug a chugga chew.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Well, I mean I think about when we started this
and how all we really wanted to do was just
put something out that was worth listening to.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
And for about the first twenty five episodes, it was
definitely not worth listening to.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Well that's whatever.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I figured it out. Okay, we got a lot to
say it, we got we got it figured out.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yes, all right, So go to go to our pages
at Friends of the Coin Show if you want to
interact with us, if you want to see everything that
everybody that has something to say says. We also have
our show page the Coin Show. We're now on Instagram.
We are taking the talks. We do quite a few
(44:20):
shorts now. Matt has been like a machine at putting
that stuff together. I am going to try to do more.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
You know, my job is I.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Get interrupted a lot, and so it makes it really
hard for me to do some of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
But I will try and do more.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
And as we have figured out, there's definitely enough fodder
for it.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yes, so yes, So we'll get to that.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
We'd like to thank all the people that help us
put this together, all the people that have helped us
put it together for all these years, and every single
one of them, we love them and they're part of
family to us. And you guys are family too. We
really appreciate the people that listened. Without you, this entire
endeavor is just pointless. So we've got two more shows
(45:08):
to go to our semi quincentennial. It's gonna be a
thing I have to Yeah, we're gonna have to do something. Sure, Yeah,
we're gonna have to do something.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
If we just get as many people that we've interacted
with over the years on in one giant room and
literally just chit chat.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Look, I'm good on that. So that's what That's what
Great American Coin Show could be. Yeah, people want to
show up and meet us. We're gonna be there. Sure
have some fun. We're gonna be there for one day,
one night only, for one night only. But anyway, so
(45:50):
thank you to everybody, and I guess we will talk
to you next. Oh, hold on and say only a
king signia if they both wear the dress that comes
with I'm in, if.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
He's in, I'm there.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Are we wearing dresses on the Semiquincentennial? Is that what
I heard?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Well, King SENIORA oh yeah, turn fifteen.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
I was gonna say, I have to get on Amazon
quickly if we're doing that.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I don't think they make sizes for me.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Oh I bet they make them for me, buddy, I'm
getting Friely shoulders and everything. Dude creating shoulder pads. I
see rock.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
And pearls and all this. I've seen it.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
We're doing it. It's done.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
That is freak flag fly.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Right, and we will talk to you odd Episode two
forty nine of the coin Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Thanks for listening, everybody.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Good night.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
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Dinger and Mike Noteleman. The boys will be back soon
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