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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're not going to comment on that. I'll get fined
for the rest of my life if I get comment.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
On that natural chapionship that young s girls.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Everyone, and welcome to the College Chats podcast. On this episode,
we're going to do a bit of crystal ball gazing
and peek into the future of the new season. But
first we are the Chaps, and we tried our best
to get the band back together for this episode, but
sadly Oliver didn't get the memo. However, I fear not.
We still have the brightest minds this side of the Mississippi, which,
(00:51):
to be honest, worries me greatly. And I'm joined on
this episode by Alex and our great friend Chris Mahler. Alex, Chris,
how are you both.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Good?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Man?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Get me back? It's been this is like year five,
year five.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It's crazy, isn't it having Chris?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That's right, that's right. I didn't mean over, said Alex. Alex.
How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, I'm I'm good. It feels like both months and
also only days since I've been on an episode of
this show. How busy my schedule has been in the
last two months. But yeah, great to be back and
ready to talk about next season.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, I mean I don't want to meet.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I don't mean like it. But I think Chris was
on this episode before you were last on this episode.
I think, I mean, like you're you're almost you're almost
a returning guest now.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
But I do how many national championships as Chris one?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
A lot? I have like multiple teams now, LSU, South Carolina, Bama. Well,
I was gonna say to Uh, we could probably say
that she's gonna get mad but about to be with
an Auburn fan and so they don't have a ton
of national championships with them, but it'll be it'll be
good for her to finally get a ring, you know
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what I mean. She's not laughing, I'm laughing.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Maybe that's the end of a wonderful relationship. You've just
you've just announced it on the Polish Shots podcast. I
also saw on three just now have ranked that Auburn
have a one point two percent chance of winning the
national championship over Michigan's one percent of winning the national championship.
So that was but we'll go onto that in a
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little second. I've also got the bleeper button ready because
I know with you two this is going to go
only one of two ways to be perfectly. So if
you have.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Gotten so much better at it, I don't feel like
I I don't think I say the I don't. I
don't think I cuss as much, I cuts as much.
She said, shut that up up. So okay, get the
bleep button.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna test this. Let's let's
get let's get into it. RI So we don't we
don't have we'd have a ton of time, right, So
there is we're almost kind of are in talking season,
but we're almost a direct from barking Talking season. There's
a lot of chat going on because you're uniquely placed,
and I get Alex's input into us as well. But
you're uniquely placed because you're covering different teams now, right,
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So you've been covering South Carolina, you've been covering l issue. Obviously,
you know you're an expert Onbama. So I want to
just work out whether the teams that are being talked
about just now, we've just talked about that kind of
on three forecast, are they hyped or are they not
hyped enough? Unlet's start with South Carolina because they're coming
off a really good season and getting a lot of attention.
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Where do you think South Carolina are just now?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I don't think we're talking enough about how good they're
going to be. I just kind of thought that everyone
was on board the fact that they are going to
be a top fifteen team to start the year. Now,
if you want to sit here and say that, where
they're going to end the season. The schedule stuff with
the sky is the schedule of South Carolina. It's always tough.
It's I mean, same as Arkansas, same as Auburn, Like
it seems like there's always gonna be a lot of
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like really tough matchups on there. There's the concern I
think for for South Carolina this year is two things. One,
your road games, the ones you were replacing from like
last year that you went at home or or the
old Miss game you lost. You gotta go too Ole Miss.
You gotta go to LSU, and you gotta go to
A and M. A and M especially has been historically
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tough for for South. I think they're like two to
nine the last eleven years against them, so they've not
been good there. The other thing is the defense. The
defense replaces a ton of talent, and they've replaced a
lot of talent over the years, but they're finally replacing
like a lot of like top tier talent. There was like,
you know, five NFL draft picks off that defense, Like
that's that's gonna be frustrating, I think early on trying
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to get figure out who's gonna be replacing those guys.
But the thing is, like, when you guys know this better,
anybody in this in this sport is like the quarterback
position has has a chance to outweigh all of those
things like that. I'm not comparing Lenora's sellers to Cam Newton,
but we saw a lot of deficiencies on some really
good teams over the years. Twenty Aburn is one of them.
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I mean, let's say twenty eighteen LSU. I'm not comparing
it to those teams. So I'm just saying, when you
have quarterbacks that are able to play at a really
elite level, then some of the deficiencies that you have,
whether it be defensive or not having a lot of
talent around you, those things are massed entirely. And I
just I think that Leonoris is good enough to be
a difference maker where he every time he steps on
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the field, he's the best player on the field. He's
the best athlete on the field. He's the best player
in the field, and that that is I think scary
for a lot of teams that they have to figure
out how to stop him.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
We'll touch on quarterbacks in the next segment, Alex La
you talk about so Carly, I'm going to jump ahead
because you're a Texas expert and I'm not gonna talk
about what's going on in Austin, but I want to
talk about what's going on in Texas tick, right, and
what's going on at Lobbock is quite something. Are can
you can? You? Can you buy your team? As simply
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as this are takes tick just getting overhaped because of
the amount of money. What do you think about what's
harmening at Lobbock?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I think it's different and different sells that doesn't sell,
No one sells papers anymore, but different different generates clicks
and that's why there's a lot of hype going that
way that you know they have and they're able to
throw around some serious cash in the world of college
sports right now Texas Tech. And you know, I'm not
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as versed in whether they're they're totally going that route
on the football side of things, but I know in
other sports they are tearing up trees to have success
by throwing money at the problem, and I think that
is a way that that can succeed in this transfer
portal nil brave new world that we've had the last
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few years. You can invest, but you have to invest
in the right pieces. And it's not like basketball where
there's only five players on the court. It's not like
softball where your pitcher makes a massive difference. It may
be if you were you were buying in a quarterback,
but even then, this is a big team game and
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you have to spend that nil money on difference makers,
but difference makers who are going to fit the culture
in your building. And I think that's going to be
the big key for Texas Tech this year and how
they perform.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, and I mean all this' nil and money in general.
Things have just got a lot more serious over the
last week because you talked about moving to Baton Rouge.
Let's let's let's go to Baton Rouge. Brian Caley unsurprisingly
is very high on his team this year. Did I
see it? I think it has to be because Yeah,
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another disappointing year really does put pressure on him. What's
your thoughts on how the roster that Brian Kelly's put
together this year.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I the roster, it's been one of the cooler things
to watch, I think kind of take shape because this
team that they're gonna have, you never you never want
to lose the number one player in the country, and
and that's what they did with Bryce Underwood. But like
what they lost when Bryce Underwood decided to go to
Michigan was they they lost a player, but they also
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lost like a player they had invested or plan to
invest between like four to seven million dollars, like off
the bat, like like he was going to probably make
four around play at four in year one, but he
was going to make seven million dollars at least around
those three years. That was the il packets they had
in place for him. So good for him going to
get make more money and and stay close to home
and have a chance to turn the whole programund But
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when you go back to LSU, now, what you've basically
given Brian Kelly is okay in a time where you've
had you're gonna have the house settlement coming up where
everyone's gonna get an influx of twenty point five million dollars.
You already have whatever your collective was going to pay
for other players. Like, so let's for LSU, let's call
that ten just to have a round number. So you
have a surplus already of fifty percent of what you're
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gonna have, so like you're gonna have thirty million instead
of ten. Then you have all this other money like
kind of just open up. So you went on a
shopping spree in the portal and it paid off massive dividends.
And it wasn't like something where we saw with like
Arkansas or Missippi State or or you know, even Texas
Tech to a degree, Ole miss a little bit where
it's like we have massive changes. We have massive like
like like turnover, let's go ahead and get all these
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different players in there. Where we have twenty thirty players
in there. You went out and got like all of
the best players. It seems like at the positions you
needed right away. And so for LSU going into this year,
like the roster standpoint, the things that people aren't talking
up about is like what they missed last year Harold
Perkins being out for most of the year for the
UCLA ACL injury. Then I always forget is Anthony's like
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Solomon Gidgrin. I want to say the defensive lineman, who
is their best defensive tackle in a position that was
like very very thin depth wise, very very thin depth wise.
So he is going to be back from like Achilles injury,
and so then you have those building blocks going into
year two of a different supporter at Flake Baker who's
been great everywhere. You should be better on every single level. Defensively,
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the only concern I have because they're always going to
have receivers, they're always going to have a pretty good defense,
and they're always going to have some offensive skill position
players that are going to be elite. The only question
I have is the offensive lineman. Because the offensive line
gave up fifteen toble sacks last year is one of
the best in the country and it was the best
in program history. So if they can figure out a
way to somehow Keith Garrett Nessmeyer upright, because we've seen
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how much he struggles when he does not upright, and
how how what he looks like under pressure, they're going
to be really, really good.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I'm I'm really high on LSU in the near future
with this house settlement because it kind of resets things
in college sports, especially at the top of D one
and top D one sports like basketball and football. So
now these schools are on a similarly level playing field
again with what they can spend with this twenty million figure.
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That ability to be right in the middle of Louisiana
that is such a fertile recruiting ground suddenly becomes a
massive win again because you're not having to buy in
a full team because you're going to have some homegrown
guys that can step in and become and be some
of the best athletes in the country. So you can,
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like you say, Chris, just fill spots, and that is
something that a Michigan doesn't have the ability to do,
even you could tell in Ohio State doesn't have the
ability to do in the same way.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's kind of crazy, man, is that like, and I'm
glad you brought this up, but you talk about, like
you said, like not just this year, but like the
next couple of years of how they're going to be
able to be set up. LSU is like I remember,
like back in like two thousand and seven, right if
they won the national championship, like the second time under Miles.
This is like eighteen years ago now, but I remember
like they had like fourteen players in the state that
were like blue chip recruits or four stars are higher.
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LSU got all of them. They got all the top fourteen.
Then once Bama started getting going, you saw Texas kind
of started getting better. Some of these other teams at
Texas A and m they start dipping into Louisiana. People
didn't dip into Louisiana like when Satan was there and
when when Miles was there up until about twenty twelve.
I mean, Defonte Smith is a Louisiana kid. Like, there's
a lot of these players that left the state of
Louisiana and then were stars elsewhere. They didn't have that
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issue ever, because you grew up in that Satan you
want to play LSU. Now with being able to be
that kind of even with some of these other programs
being able to pay for players and all that kind
of stuff, You've got the twenty twenty six and twenty
twenty seven class and even some guys in this twenty
twenty eight class in that state that is like it's
maybe the best crop of recruits that they've had in
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there in the last ten to fifteen years, and some
of the people there have coming out there in the
top one hundred recruits and five stars. It's unreal, and
they can land those. They are going to be a force.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, And I think also so often Louisiana is underrated
because people look at California and Florida and Texas as
being the main recruiting areas, but actually LSU produces as
many as are.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
More NFL draft picks per I think it's like per
capital or something like that than any other state in
the country.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, so Frank Kelly does have some reason to be point.
I want you both to picture on this one, because,
as we say in this country, a team that's like
marmite either love them or hate them. Clemson are getting
a lot of pre season hype, mostly because of the
way that k Plubnick finished the season last year. Chris,
what are your thoughts on what's happening in Clemson? South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Here's a scary part for Clemson. I haven't even said
this on my show about them yet because I don't
want to piss off South Carolina fantacy. The they're my
preseason number one. Like they I think that they are
a shoe in for the playoff. They return so much talent.
They returned so much elite talent that people like aren't
even talking about yet because it's everyone talking about kay Clebnick,
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which is great because they haven't had a quarterback there
in the last couple of years since Trevor Lawrence, where
it's been like, man like, they really get it at
that position. Here's what I here's what I know about Clemson. Okay,
they're always gonna have a pretty good defense. Well, they
just so happen to have about four guys right now
that are projected to be a first round pick in
next year's draft. Now it's early, those are early, way
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too early, monk drafts, all kind of stuff. But they
have at least four of those guys, and they have
them at every level defensive line, especially in the trenches
where you win games. Those ten things they're gonna return
kid Klubnick, it's the second thing I know. Kig Clubnick
coming back here was like thirty five touchdowns and four
interceptions last year, which is insane, even though they're playing
in a really terrible conference. For the most part, that's
it's unbelievably, it's not top heavy, it's just them, right,
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So I know that they played a really easy schedule
and maybe that factor into how good of a job
he did well. They also are playing the same schedule
this year and they're playing the same crappic conference, and
they're going to be just as good or better like
like against those same teams did non con. It doesn't
necessarily get easier because you drop Georgia, but you pick
up LSU, but you get that LSU game at home.
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And the very last thing that's really scary about it,
Matt Luke. I don't remember if you remember the SCS days,
Matt Lake, head coach, former head coach Home Miss Football.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That guy.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And by the way, just be very clear, Alex, that's
that is the best impression that I do. Hands down.
It's that Louis Armstrong and I'm gonna somehow make a
living off of it one day. But Matt Luke is
now the offensive line coach at Clemson. And one thing
that Clemson has never done. You go back and look
at all the numbers, they never is as highly ranked
as their recruiting classes were never recruited. The offensive line
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at an elite level, never developed anybody in the offensive
line at elite level up until this past year. They
had one guy in the past I think thirteen years
under Dabo that was drafted in the top two rounds
of the NFL draft on the office pot just one,
which is you think that the success they had versus that,
that's insane to us. And so they they are now
starting to recruit the offensive line. Matt Luke is the best,
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one of the best ONMICS line coachers in the country
and developing too. They are. That's like the one little
achilles heel that no one ever talked about, and now
they're addressing it and they're gonna be scary.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Man, I think you you're starting to see the value
of not joining the super conferences.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, now, with this expect.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Playoff and guaranteed spots for winning the conference. If you're
a Clemson and you can build this so that you
get a five six year run of almost knowing you're
in the playoff before the season starts, suddenly your your
non conference doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
No, No, I don't know why you'd want to join
the conference. Yeah, I don't. I mean everyone's like, well,
nobody nobody concert said, how would you want to join? Like,
what's the point the money?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
The money is in the playoffs. Yeah, and they're almost there.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, you just need to get to it, right, which
is your point? You just need to plot your way
to it. And if you can do that via your
conference games, then bang, right, you're a winner. It's difficult
to say that Texas are overhyped, but they are because sorry,
I don't mean overhyped. They are hyped because of their
quarterback change. Right everyone everyone is waiting on the crowning
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yet another King Manning, So it means that hype is
off the charts. What do you think, Chris, because we
know Alex is a homer in that respect, but what
do you think with the with arch stepping in, the
only way is up because they can well that's not true,
they can go down, but actually get to beat last season.
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They need to win the championship, right, So what do
you think?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I think it's funny how quickly this whole thing is
turned into this is a credit to Texas, but the
whole like Texas is not back. Texas will never be back.
I mean I remember saying this going into last year,
Texas going into last year had twice the amount of
five wins seasons in the last fourteen years. Then they
had ten wins seasons. And now that whole thing has
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shanged because Sark is an incredible job. And here's the thing.
You cannot sit here and say it's done a great job,
because Sark is beating up on a bad Big twelve
and he came from the Big twelve and then went
to the SEC and he had the same success in
both and it's a tremendous job that he's going to do.
The moment in il became a thing I said, some
of these dormant blue bloods Miami South, that's not the
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same Miami Tennessee, Southern cal Texas, they were all going
to be right back into contention because they have like
like success starved fan bases and what you caut boosters
that want to succeed. Texas is always from now on,
like they are always to not only be in a
top ten, you know, preseason ranking, but they're going to
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compete year in, year out because they are going to
have the talent everywhere on that roster to do so.
I think they're gonna be good. I think the schedule
is still we're a lot of cuss. It's I think
the schedules dog shit. I think that I think that
they got more of a I know they play Ohio
State and that's great, that that's that's good on them
for doing it. But man, that schedule they got in
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multiple sports in the SEC is a fucking joke. It's
I cannot believe that they came in and got that schedule.
There's a blee button for you. My apologies, but it's
it's exactly how good and and the numbers back it
up like like like just looking through it, like realistically,
back it up. Ours better be good man year three.
I love the fact that he had he sat there
for two years. One thing I love about him that
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we don't we didn't talk about enough until we saw
it last year, is that like he's not just like
a pretty boy manning that like is gonna know what
they're pretty but you know what I mean, like we're
gonna drop back, throw the ball a thousand times, be
super accurate, technically sound that stup. I mean, the kid's
got some dog in him, like he's he'll run. He'll
try to run run you over, run through you. I
was laughing at me because I said dog in him,
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But I mean like it's it's I think that he
has been He's been a lot tougher than and a
lot more athletic than some of the Mannings in the past,
and I think he should be good. But it's such
a small sample size for him to get this much
love so early, it's kind of wild to me.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Well, we're probably gonna find out quite early because you
said they go to Columbus, Ohio in the first game,
so that's a real testing ground. Comparisons are that he's
more like his grandfather than he's two two uncles. Alex,
what are your expectations for the Longhorns this season?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I my auntswer I surprise you. I think they are
of a hypt m H because they've not done anything.
It's this isn't like peak Cybin Bama, who you expect
to go and contend every year. And yeah, there are
there are factors there that are gonna mean they're competitive
every year and they're in the playoff discussion, but I
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don't think it's at a point where they should be
odds on favorites to win the national championship. I don't
think anyone should be odds on favorites to win the
national championship. Right now, the sports is such a good
place and nil has been such a good thing for
the sport that there's multiple contenders every year to win
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the national championship now, So this idea that one program
is the runaway favorite is just not correct for me.
And I think Texas fans are going to fall into
a trap now that they are good, and when they
become consistently good, they're consistently good and don't win very often.
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That's when you start to get those feelings of entitlement
around being good and winning a championship. And I think
Texas fans have a tendency to be like that anyway.
And I see this season coming crashing down a little bit.
Like you say, it's not a given that just because
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his last name is Manning that everyone's favorite finance bro
is great. He looks like you should be finding, you know,
in the Northeast quotas up been in April. That's him.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, you know, listen, if last season taught us anything
is that the form book goes out the window from
week one and we should expect the unexpected. So we'll
be really interesting to see I kind of agree with
you both. I think the schedule is favorable for them,
so if they can't plot, they'll be through that. Then
there's trouble for Sarkisian. I deliberately left Illinois off of
this list. They are getting a bit of preseason chatter.
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But I left him off because I wanted to do
a little segment of its own, because good old Brett
bielmo Is has got he said Twitter act going. And
my question to you both as he is he is
he because he's new Lane Kiffin? Does he have does
he have anything behind him to back it up other
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than his wheat that he can actually Illinois can actually
do something this this season?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Muddy you think Chris I deleted a tweet, which is
saying a lot for me considering how reckless I can
be on Twitter. Fat Lane Kiffin, Just dude, shut up. Like,
here's here's what's amazing to me about the lack of
self awareness from from Brett Bulamu. Oh all right, here's
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here's what's amazing to me about the lack of self
burners from from Rebula reb Be Lama. I covered something
a very great team, but like you beat South Carolina
in a bowl game, and all of a sudden, that
is what told all of us that you guys were
supposed to be like really good, like I don't know
who else they beat last year. Here, here's the thing,
here's your schedule this year. You're at Duke, you get
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Western Illinois, you get Western Michigan. Then they got to
start the gauntlet of the Big Ten. And they get
USC at home, they get Ohio State at home, at Purdue,
at Washington, Rutgers, Maryland at Wisconsin Northwestern. If you don't
win nine games, that's a joke. And the scary part
for not scary part, but the dumb part for bat Lane,
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Kiffen and Brett Blaa for him to say all this
is when he was talking shit about the SEC. Brother,
you left Wisconsin, which was a job that you were
going to win ten games a year every year, be
in contention for the Big Ten, probably go to a
rosewell every three to four years, and you were you
were gonna be set up there for life. You had
a good thing going, and you decided to leave to
go to Arkansas compete in the SEC and it ate
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you up and spit you out. And that's why you're Illinois.
You fucking failed in this conference. You failed in this conference,
and then you got kids. You had to go to Illinois,
That's why. And you're talking what are we talking about here?
Like like what? Like? Like how do you have that
little self awareness to go in and start talking shit
of the conference? You couldn't succeed in and listen, a
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lot of coaches can't. It's a very tough conference. But
I do think it's a joke that he's been so
boisterous about all this. And and I honestly thought the
thing of South Carolina last year the bowl game was like, well,
you know what he said a couple of things, and
it was it was misunderstood. I thought I thought Beamer
overreacted to be honest, but then like he kept with it.
And it's almost like this this chubby little kid from
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the Midwest who all of a sudden has the limelight again,
and he's he's fun in front of a camera, he's
fun from a microphone. But he I think he forgot
since he's been out of the linlight for so long
what that felt like. And now he's like got a
little bit of the attention again, and he's he is
seeing how long that leash is going to get before
he embarrassed himself.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
There's a lesson you learn, usually the hard way, quite
early on when you're when you're a professional coach. It's
not about you.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, it's not about you.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
And it's really funny because you see, oh, I see
young coaches and I've been there, I've learned the hard
way that lesson, and you see young coaches do it.
And then I see these coaches in sports that have
a lot of media attention, and usually they are guys
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that you probably weren't great with women for most of
their life and didn't get a lot of attention, and
suddenly they get to this point where they are semi
famous and suddenly it becomes all about them again. And
I see it all over in sport the minute that
a coach gets kind of elevated into a role or
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they get a little bit of media attention and they
start to play up to the camera and things start
to slip elsewhere and it just falls in on itself.
What I would say is Lane Kiffin is a master
at separating the media personality and the non media personality
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because he's been doing the media stuff for a long
time and it hasn't collapsed in on him, so he
must present differently to his athletes. But if Britt Bielma
presents this way to his athletes, it's all going to
go wrong very very quickly, because it's not about him,
it's about them, it's about the team, it's about the game.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I think he's also being a little clever about it.
I'm not gonna give a awful lot of credit, but
it gets his team in the spotlight and in a
conference where it's very hard for his team to get
the spotlight, and it kind pushes them in, and you
know it kind of it's it's maybe unfair to liking
them to Kivin, because you're right, Alex Keivin is just
a master of that art and Beyelmos just not in
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the same league. But I think what he thinks is
it's going to help him recruit, et cetera, et cetera.
But we've probably given them more at their time than
he deserves. And Alex, I want to ask you about
Hugh Freeze before I asked Chrissy's of you, because i'd
like to hear what you think. This is a big
year for Hugh Freeze, a huge year he himself has
said that he finds himself under a little pressure. Do
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you think that Hugh Freeze is the Oburn head coach
at the end of the season coming.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Oh, that's a tough one because it really could go
either way. I feel like I think he could have
a little bit of success, or enough success to stay
in the role. I think he could also it could
also go horribly horribly wrong, and like you say, he
not being a job at the end of the year.
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What I like about Hugh Freezer Auburn is he's been
relatively quiet on the national media front. There hasn't been
a lot written about him. There hasn't been a lot
spoken about him. And I, you know, I'm not as
plugged in as the other two guys on this show
to the world of college football, and for something to
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come across my kind of news feeds and my reading,
especially at this time of year, I it has to
be a big, big, big fuck up, right for it
to come across my screen. Yeah, you know, there's I
wouldn't say he's on the hot seat per s, but
I think they have to perform, and they have to
do pretty well this year for him to still being
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a job at the end of it.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Chris, before you well, before you answer the question, can
I just put it to you in a slightly different way?
Does it matter how good the job keeling the boorderes Alabama?
In that respect, if Alabama have a very good season
or conversely a very poor season by standards, do they
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Auburn fans bench across the state and does that put
more or less pressure on few Freeze? And then you
can't answer it is he is he going to be.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
The end of the season.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I think he'll be the end of season. I think
they're gonna be good this year. But here's here, first
and foremost, Alex. The reason why you haven't heard about
them in the national stage because they haven't fucking won
anything like that. They're not like they've had five straight
losing seasons like they're not or four trade losing season.
They're not a good football program right now. I saw
yesterday somebody an ailed her Nextron Live. But Jordan Hare
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is the as the number one toughest home environment in
the SEC. They're twenty six and fourteen in the last
four years in the SEC at home or like or
like five years like they're they're really bad. And Ali's
booing me right now. But here's the thing. I think
they're gonna be good whatever decision they are making. And
I wish collegeable would start learning to do this like
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based off of like like the past, especially especially circle
or centered around Alabama, stop hiring and making it stop
firing and hiring people solely based on the success at
another school. Like the amount of people that we saw
get fired during the Sabing air at Alabama because they
weren't matching up to that like was unbelievable and and
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and while it was happening, people knew, but like it's like,
like this isn't something you look back on now, is like, well,
I guess we know at the time, but that was
that was better than any other stretch of any program
in the history of the sport. Like, of course you
weren't winning as much as that, no one has in
the history of college football, but like you knew what
was happening in it and they kept doing it, which
was super weird. I think for Auburn, like you have
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to focus on yourself. I think that Bama game is huge.
I think that Bama game is huge because BAM is
gonna be really good this year and and like, and
they're gonna they got Ryan Grubb back as the OC.
They have a quarterback that's gonna fit that system a
little bit more, and they have some depth on the
defensive side of the ball already from a really good
unit a year ago. They're gonna be very, very good.
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Alburn I think has a chance to be really good
as well in comparison to where they've been. Like I think,
I think the ceiling is nine wins, but I think
they can get to nine wins because one thing I
know for sure is that that Jackson Arnold, he is
going to walk into a situation where those the receivers
in obsubon he has around them are going to be
a massive upgrade. Like you could you could argue the
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upgrade that he's gonna get at those who is in
is bigger than any other quarterback in the entire country
because Oklahoma was the worst offensive line in the country
last year, gave a fifty sacks, and his receivers, he
had his top five receivers injured for the entire year.
He is knock on wood, they don't have anybody injured
until the Iron Bowl. Just kidding as a joke, but
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I mean like that those receivers are gonna be elite
around him, and the offensive line should be better. So
I think that I think their defense is always gonna
be good. They've they've got some guys like on that
defense especially there aren't household names. They got a defense
of edge rusher Kendrick Bulk, who could be a top
top half of the first round guy. They got a
defensive back from my high school that I went to,
Jake Crawford, who's really really good as a sophomore. Like,
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they've got some pieces to make a run. The problem
with Alburn is that Hugh Freeze is the problem, Like
he's the one that's that can has not got on
his way. If you're if you're telling me, and I
know this long window, but I have a lot of
feelings and this is how I am able to. I
don't win the couple's arguments a lot here, So allow
me to do it via you guys. If you Freeze
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or any coach really, and you're telling me that like, hey,
we have a prominent quarterback, where not we don't. We
don't have a good quarterback, and you're constantly blaming the quarterback,
well one, then then stop trotting him back out there. Two,
if you have a prominent quarterback and then you look
in behind the quarterback and you look in the backfield,
you've got a running back like jar Qus Hunter, who
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is one of the best running backs in the n SCC,
why not hand him the ball? Like, how did that
kid go through four years of school? There and in
forty six games, only twice did he have more than
twenty carries. And by the way, in those two games
that he had more than twenty carries, he had two
hundred and fifteen yards on average and scored two touchdowns
in each game. So like, you have the answer there.
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You're the head coach, you're the offensive guru. What are
we doing? And I think he's he's been weirdly prideful
without getting in his own way, but he's been able
to hide it because just quite frankly, this fan base
was so mad about Brian Harson, they just they just
let it go.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're forgetting that if you feezus
in fact the best play caller in college football by
his admission.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
So that's unbelievable, that's unbelievable. I mean, he's that top,
he's not top three in the state and he's not
top five, but he's not top five in the SEC. Like,
it's crazy, So I like to cut you off.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I get it, but I couldn't resist that. I think that.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I think the point that Chris made about hiring and
firing based on another school is unreal, really really good point,
like why why are you especially if another school is it?
Like in the middle of a dynasty like Bama wars,
that's the time to take a risk and you build
up over three four years, five years rather than cycle
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through coaches. And I think, now, if you're not there,
if you're not at the top, and you don't have
a quick fit i e. Someone that's going to invest
a shit ton of money to get you to the
top quickly, you're better off just firing the guy, clearing
out the coaching staff and taking a bit of a
risk and giving someone three four five years to build
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the group up. If you fire the coach, half the
team's going to transfer out anyway. So yeah, you can
actually wipe the slate clean pretty easily in college football nowadays,
and I think that makes it a much easier thing
to do for athletic directors and people in charge of
these football programs because it's not like it was in
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the past, where you'd fire the coach and a new
coach coming in still has to coach the old coaches athletes.
And so I think I'm going to change my mind.
I don't think he's there at the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
But you see, the thing is, so that's the correct
way to do it, right, and that's why somebody you're
becoming an athletic director, Alex. But and that's a common
sense approach to to tackle it. But that's largely ignoring
And I don't mean this to be distragenous, just kind.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
If any sports directors are listening to this, My dms
are open on LinkedIn if you do want to hire
me as your athletic director.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
But that's largely ignoring the football in the state of Alabama,
right the rivalry is intense. So you know, big brother,
little brother, they're always going to look across the state
and that's where they want to be. So I think
that's the single biggest problem that they've got. We've run
over time, but very quickly. I gave you a list
of five quarterbacks, and I wanted to ask you, who
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do you think is going to have the standout season
amongst I'm not going to I'm not going to use
the H word at this moment in time is far
too early. But who or maybe there's somebody else, Chris,
that you're thinking are expecting to have a standout season.
I know you're high on the chap in Columbia, but
who do you who you expecting to have a standout season.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
So I'm missing the text of those players. I'm trying
to find it again real quick. I should have been
more prepared.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
This was Altmeyer Mining Club, Nick Sailors, and Brace Underment.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
That was the last sellers. Now I'm excited to see
Bryce Underwood. I really am, because I think, like physically,
that kid has more tools maybe than anybody else in
the country. He is a one of one type player,
and like that is it's hard to go in this
same age, especially like like you're the number one player
in the country from however, when every year to the end,
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like we we haven't seen it a bunch. We've seen
the last two with Jeremy swiftin him. But that kid's
gonna be good. But the answer sellers, like the thing
that people don't understand what sellers is and I'm not
going to get into the reasons why, but they're not
that hard to figure out. He is a six foot
three two quarterback that is able to run, and he
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gets then somehow mislabeled as he's just a running quarterback.
I can't imagine why that is. And today's day in
America and the SEC, well, I wonder what that could be.
But he's just a running quarterback. No, he's a really
good passing quarterback. He's a really good thrower the football.
And you talk about last year going through the last
six games, the first six games, did he complete like
seventy one point four percent of his past has had
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seventeen total touchdowns, four interceptions, and in the moments that
they needed him most, Like we saw him struggle with
time a lot early on in the year, right, especially
when he's kind of hampered by injury. But you saw
him against Alabama when they need the most late in
the fourth quarter. He saw that he did against Missouri,
especially when he's able to create so much extra time
with his legs but still be very, very accurate. I
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think this year, the receiving core around him is gonna
be it's gonna take a step up that that offensive
line is going to get a little bit better. I
don't see how they can get worse. I mean Jesus,
but they they should be a lot better around him.
And the biggest thing, too, is he's gonna have more
on his plate because they don't have Rocket Sanders in
the backfield, so they're gonna throw the ball a lot more.
I think he's gonna be very, very good. I think
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he is going to be a finalist in New York.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Bizarrely used to be word bizarrely. You think Shanemer is
going to find himself under more pressure than he's ever
done in his Columbia as a result of that, because
expectations are high last season. They finished this season very strongly,
and I think it'd be interesting to see how you'd
be more copes with that pressure, because I don't think
he's been under that intense situation quite before. Alex, I
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don't know. Did you get a list? Do you do
you have someone who's going to jump off the page
at you?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Well, I did get the list. I'm going to make
the homer pick here. But there's a reason. There's a
reason I'm going to make the Homer pick. If you
look at the last few years of the winners of
the h the Eich Award that the band word from
from mister Somerville, best player on the best team hasn't
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won it for a long time. And I think that
Texas is the kind of school that if they are
the best team by the time we go to New York,
Arch Manning with his name, with the media hype that
will come with it, is going to be a near
unanimous Heisman Trophy selection. That's the thing for me right now.
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I think, you know, I'd love it to go and
I'd love it to continue going to the best player,
the best athlete, the best performer in college football, as
it has done the last three years. But I think
big school, big performers, big name, it's got Heisman Trophy
when I've written all over it, I even think, and
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this will enrage some people, I'm sure listening. Mediocre performer
Texas is good with the Manning name, he still wins it.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
He's mediocre and he gets to he gets to, uh
what do you call? They win the SEC Championship and
he has like a twenty of thirty four for two
fifty game and it.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Is yeah, with the name, with the media driving that
story all year and who votes on it? Who votes
for the award? Okay, yeah, it's the media as well.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Did imagine if they lose to Georgia in Athens and
then they beat him in Atlanta for the SEC Championship,
like they'll just they'll they'll have it at the ceremony
the SEC Championship, but they will have the hes been
brought out to give it.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
He helped me to be fair that he will have
more eyeballs on him than any other player in collegehiple
this season. Right, So, but again we've talked about pressure
a lot. He seems unflappable, but we're about to find
out how flappable he is. We've run massively over That's
that's a sign of a sign of a great podcast,
chrispher Those. I mean, everybody who listens to us knows
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who you are. But off chance that somebody doesn't, who
where they can find you? Because you've got some changes
coming up? Right?
Speaker 3 (42:09):
So?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, where can we Where can we find you? What
are you working on that we can look forward to?
Tell us what the future holds for Chris Marler.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
So right now, burn dumb Quist on Twitter because of
all the mess ups on Twitter, so burned dumb Quist
burn fun Quist is no longer burn Duncus on Twitter,
running social media, and doing a lot of other stuff,
writing writing for losing a sportside nets, covering on social
media for them in ESPN one of four to five
out of Baton Rouge and then the big thing locked
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on South Carolina as well, locked on game Cocks, and
then I'm very happy to announce and anyone that has
listened to us in the past, me and my co
host Tyler huck are going to resurrect the Fourth and
Wrong Pod. Even though we made a vow that we
were not going to do it, we talked it over.
We're going to be renewing that in the next couple
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of weeks, so we were pretty pot about that. It
should be a lot of fun. We haven't exactly said
where it's gonna happen or when it's gonna happen, but again,
I'm sure everyone will be back to colleg football season.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Good to look forward to that and everyone should listen
to that. And that's also a good reminder that Oliver says,
please follow him back on Twitter because him has had
a similar issue in that his was suspended ET cetera,
et cetera, so please do that. That's all from us,
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thanks to Alex and Christopher being awesome, and thanks to
you for containing the support us. Stay safe and will
and catch you next time.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Bye, guys,