April 15, 2025 • 30 mins
On this episode we are joined by Sports Illustrated's Pat Forde to talk about his sporting memories from years of covering sports.
We talk college football, Olympics, horse racing, basketball and NFL in a packed episode. Particularly,
It's a packed episode!
We talk college football, Olympics, horse racing, basketball and NFL in a packed episode. Particularly,
- Pat's memories of following the Olympics and watching his daughter qualify for the Tokyo games
- the noise in Jordan Hare on the night of the legendary "Pick Six"
- watching Christian Laettner in his prime at Duke and how Cooper Flagg compares
- where he was when Jack Nicklaus won his last Masters jacket
It's a packed episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm not going to comment on that.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'll get fine for the rest of my life if
I get comment on that National championships.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
That's young Stirl.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Hey everyone, and welcome to the College Chaps podcast. On
this episode, we continue your series of talking to guests
about the sporting memories at first with the Chaps, I'm
joined by Oliver this week. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Doing really well?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Transfer part?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
This is probably going out Tuesday, ur transfer port tomorrow Wednesday.
I think at the moment, I'm the only person who
is in the college football spring transfer portal window at
this moment in time, so yes, but I am moving out,
so I don't quite sure if that counts as being
on the move. Not quite the same way. No one's
paying me four million dollars to try and stay with
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their football program.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I was going to say, if you've got to ask
for more money than it's going to be a very
short podcast, that's for sure. Our our guests the terms
for a second appearance, making him a member of the
exclusive repeat offenders club. You know him probably has call
him the forty yard Dash and his excellent College Football
Inquirer podcast. So it's awesome to welcome back Pat forty. Hi, Pat, welcome,
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how are you hello?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Guys. Happy to be on with you all.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
It's been out well else as we spoke to you,
I mean, I was trying to work out it was
a it was at least a couple of years ago.
I think we've had we've had ross on since then.
But yeah, you're at least a couple of years back,
I think.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, I think so, you know, and I am gratified
that college football can actually garner listenership across the pond
with you all, and I know you you follow it
with great ardor and probably amusement as well at some
of the stupid that goes on. But happy to be
on with you all again.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
That's part of the beauty of the beautiful game, as
they say. As I said at the top of the introduction,
we're running a series over springing summer of talking to
guess about their sporting memories, and we thought you would
be a great guest because I don't want to anyway
insult you, but you've been around the block a few times,
so you know you've you've you've been to a lot
of great sporting events. We'll get onto I think maybe
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wider sporting events in a second, But from a college
football perspective, what are the what are the memories that
jump out for you part? What's what are the things
that make you recall fondly?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, you know, I mean, I guess I would say
I became a college football fan when probably I was
five or six years old, and it was largely because
A it was on TV in our household, and B
I just thought the uniforms were fantastic, and so I started,
you know, being transfixed by Notre Dame's gold hells and
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the Longhorn on the Texas helmet and you know, the
cool though what exactly was that Michigan wing victory thing?
You know, and so it all just really kind of
appealed to me at a young age. And we were
a big football fanatic family. I have a brother who's
twelve years older than I am, who went to Notre Dame,
and so he kind of indoctrinated me as a Notre
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Dame fan about age six, and I've you know, just
hooked ever since then. You know. Turning it into a
job was fantastic, and being able to cover the sport
and I've seen I think every national championship game from
two thousand and four onward, and before that covered several
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others in various iterations. You know, we have a playoff,
we had a BCS championship, we had you know, whatever
the heck preceded that. I think the first championship quote
unquote championship game I covered was Notre Dame West Virginia
nineteen eighty eight Fiesta Bowl, where the winner that was,
you know, assuredly going to win the vote, and Notre
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Dame won that, and so, you know, it's just kind
of been something I have I've been around and followed
fairly obsessively. I will also say, like in starting in
like third grade, I think I, like every Thursday picked
the winners of every single college game and write them
all down on paper and then go back and see
how many I got right and how many I got wrong.
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Scores included, which was a bit ridiculous, but it was
something that you know, kind of helped also attached me
to the sport. So I can give you many individual
game memories if you want, but that's kind of how
I got hooked.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
You're originally from Colorado, was that right? So what was
it you mentioned Notre Dame and Michigan, And what was
the kind of predominant fan base up in up in Colorado,
because I'm assuming that Buffaloes are there following, but maybe
I wasn't as a way of following as pots, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, there, they were definitely the team in Colorado in
versity color and they were good when I was young,
early to mid seventies. There was also we lived in
Colorada Springs, so the Air Force Academy had a bit
of a following as well. But but Colorado, and that
was the Big Eight Conference at the time, and so
it was powerhouse Oklahoma, powerhouse Nebraska, and that was you know,
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back then, you did not get fifty football games a weekend.
You got like two, and the Big Eight Conference was
the game of the week was what you got. So
I watched a lot of Oklahoma and Nebraska and wishbone football,
which I thought was just really cool and very fun
back in the seventies.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I didn't realize until maybe five years ago I spoke
to some of the players at Colorado. I didn't realize
the Nebraska game was such a huge rivalry game. As
it's a It's a massive game, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It was huge, absolutely, and I mean for the long time,
Nebraska just beat the tar out of Colorado. You know,
Nebraska was just a machine that rolled through the seventies
and eighties and a good part of the nineties as well.
Colorado had a few blips of rebellion in there in
like the late eighties early nineties where they won a
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national championship. But yeah, Bill McCartney was the coach who
came in, and I mean, I think the Colorado program
was a bit downtrodden at the time. He he aimed
high and said, nobody's wearing red in this facility because
we hate Nebraska. They couldn't, you know, they were losing
sixty two to nothing to Nebraska. But he decided, We're
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going to go pick on the pick on the biggest
kid on the block and turn that into a rivalry.
And eventually they did it. And yeah, that was It
was pretty heated and pretty fun to watch actually unfold.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You know, much more southern than Colorado Springs. Maybe don't know,
I don't know quite sua precisely, but but you moved
down your graduate of Missouri, were you're aware of Southeast
football before you came down or what was that like
when you got down into the Southeastern Conference.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, I was. And you know when I went to
Missouri was still that was a Big Eight Conference affiliation,
and so Missouri was playing Colorado and Oklahoma and in
Nebraska and then later it you know, it became an
SEC school and I moved actually out of when I
got graduate from college to Louisville, Kentucky, so Southeastern Conference there.
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I mean, I was certainly aware of it, because again
I was a fan of everything, but living it in
Louisville and covering a lot of it, you get much
more aware and kind of a pre an appreciation for
the incredible depth of feeling that goes with it. And
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if anything, it's only gotten deeper. I've lived in quote
unquote SEC territory for thirty seven years and the fans
just continue to get crazier, which makes it all the
more interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Just before we move on to a broadest sports topic,
in terms of your your memories, you tugs or mentioned
something there that tugs a little bit at my heart strings,
and that's how you fell in love with the game,
which was the uniforms and some of those you have
a Notre Dame goal, the Milan, PA college football made
the uniforms is one of the greatest things. Even now
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as a forty one year old man, like, what, as
you look back over your career covering the game and
growing up around the game, what's the greatest college football
uniform of all time?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh boy, I think my natural inclination is to say
Michigan home uniforms. They're they're blue with it. When they
wore their yellow pants, they've gone down to the blue pants,
which I don't like as much. But the Michigan with
the wing victory helmet, the navy blue, the yellow numbers,
and the and the fellow pants is awfully hard to beat.
(09:02):
I really like that one, especially if you combine it
with the fight song when it's audio visual and they
got that great fight song. Hey to the Victor's Valiant.
The whole thing is just that's a great sensory experience.
I think I'm trying to think what I really like.
The Texas Whites like the all white. I think it's
a really nice, clean look. Trying to think what other
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ones really spring to mind. I guess I would put
those two, though Oliver at the top of the list,
and then figure out, Oh Ucla. I've always loved the
powder blue the light blue for UCLA as well.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
So that's three very traditional colors. What's your take on
what Oregon do with their uniform with the vast array,
like thirty different uniforms of the other season.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, it's it's it's a bit much. It's you know,
I thought it was really not just back in the day,
and then you kind of become numb to it, I guess,
But I understand why they did it. First of all,
you know, they are they are the Nike School, so
they've got all the uniform money they could possibly want,
and they were trying to establish an identity, and so
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it's like, we're just going to throw the craziest combinations
in most garish shades of yellow and green out there,
and people are going to be forced to acknowledge us
and and you know, hate it or love it. So
I get it. I never liked really any of it,
but I understand why they did it.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It's funny because they the episode prior to us speaking
to you, we did like an April fall special in
Oregon released those Neon pink uniforms in April fools. Right
to be fair, it's not really in April fools, because
you could imagine Oregon actually like rocking up and wearing
their uniforms. And obviously obviously a very close affiliation throughout
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your life and career as a sports reporter with college football,
but you're also inextricably linked with Numero Silver Sports as
well as you look back across that broad spectrum, What
are some of your favorite sporting memories of all time?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Well, I'm going to start with one that I mean
is not topable and is very personal, and that's my
youngest child swimming in the Tokyo Olympics in twenty twenty one.
So like nothing, I I don't care what I see. Nothing,
we'll ever top that. So that that's the main thing.
And that was that was pandemic. That was so hard,
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the whole thing, just getting through that and the twenty
twenty games being postponed and being terrified, Oh my gosh,
they're not even going to have them, and this thing
she's trained for and worked for her whole life is
just going to disappear into the ether. And then they
you know, they rescheduled, and you know, it was very
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very hard to make the American team, and she did
and really the the the Olympic trials were. That was
the the most stressful part and the most wild jubilation
when she made it, because just making the team, saying
I'm an Olympian was the biggest thing. And then so
you get to Parish, it's like, man, this is gravy,
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this is awesome. Please don't fall off the starting blog.
And you know, I was one of the only parents
who could be there. Nobody else, you know, there was
no family, There were no fans, which really stunk for
the athletes the amount that they were in him with it.
I get it. I'm not complaining, but it was unfortunate
for them. But I was so lucky. I believe they
were like eight, maybe six American Olympians that had family
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members there, and all of them were coaches of some
kind or another. And then there's me, sportswriter. So being
a sports writer paid off. My mom and dad may
wanted me to be a doctor or lawyer, but one time,
being a sports writer paid off. So that's that's number one.
We can go down the list from there, just.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
On that, because I spoke with a lot of college
football players who have had close working relationships with their
parents as coaches. You know, guys who have come through
high school with their dad as their coach and now
they're their manager and they never stopped being their coach
as well. How how much of a roller coaster and
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how difficult it is is you so you were there
as a sports writer as well as a father, How
much of a roller coaster is that journey trying to
I guess maintain a level of objectivity in reporting but
also being dad.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, I mean, see, it is interesting. It really is,
just because I've spent my whole life basically watching sporting
events with my mouth shut and an analytical eye, so
to speak of what is the story? What am I
going to write? I'm not here to cheer, I'm here
to you know, to analyze. And then your kids and
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really all three of my kids were in college, but
they you know, they they're competing, and then you just
become that that you know, screaming parent And it was
a blasphem. It was the most fun I've ever had
watching them all compete. When it came together like that
at Olympic trials and at the Olympics, that was a
whole other dynamic where it's funny like at Olympic Trials.
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We were in Omaha, and I had a credential to
cover some stuff, but anytime my kids swam, I took
it off and went over to the other side of
the arena and sat with my wife and my sons
to watch. And then you know, jumped up and down
and hoo, didn't hollered and everything. But so that was
kind of like literally shifting it and out of those
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modes then and there. And then in Tokyo, you know,
she was swimming on the eight hundred freestyle relay, and
the thing I've always done before she swam. I would
always say, you know, yeah, let's go rookie. And I
was like, I'm sitting in press seating, there's no fans
in here. I don't give it, amn, I'm doing it.
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And I yelled it and nobody got my out of me,
which is good, and it went great obviously, But then
I went down to the mix zone interview area and
got to see her there, which was really cool. You know, again,
we're like masks and there's barriers and you know, it's weird,
but but that was still obviously a lifetime highlight.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, that's that's never that's never going to change it, right,
that's never going to be going to be beaten to
be a pam. So let's let's let's take away from
the family business, because you were a swimming as well.
If I'm if, I'm correage. So let's take away from
the family business. What other sporting highlights jumpe I you pat.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Pool several? I had a list at one point of
like the top seven things I've ever covered. It's now
about like ten, and they crossed several different sports, football, basketball,
horse racing, golf, Olympics. So just I will throw some
of them out, try to go in semi chronological order
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number one for quite a while and may still be.
I don't know, it's hard to rank him other than
my kid. But nineteen ninety two Duke Kentucky one hundred
and four hundred and three overtime East Regional Final in Philadelphia,
what's still pretty widely considered the greatest college basketball game
ever played. Just an incredible that was the collision of
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storylines there, but then the level of play was just unbelievable.
Christian Latner was the hero for Duke and made every shot.
He took ten out of ten field goals, ten out
of ten free throws and made a turnaround buzzer beater
in overtime to win the game. So that one and
that I will say that like took years off my
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life because I was on a newspaper deadline and trying
to file a coherent game story for the front page
of the paper in Louisville, Kentucky on Kentucky. After that
was you know, that's one of the reasons sports writers drink.
It was the old especially the old newspaper deadlines. So
that football the forty three forty two fiestabal Boise State,
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oaklah Homa in two thousand and seven, where Boise States
last three scoring plays were a hooking lateral for fifty
yards to get the game into overtime, then a half
back pass for an overtime touchdown, then a statue of
liberty handoff for the winning points. And after the winning
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points there Ian Johnson, the running back, actually dropped to
a knee and proposed to his girlfriend, who was a
cheerleader on the team. It was the most ridiculous thing.
You could not make up that collision of storylines. I
think it was two years earlier, maybe one year earlier.
The Vince Young versus usc Rose DCS Championship game where
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Vince Young played on a different level than you've ever
seen anybody play. They won the game. There, Let's see
Villanova North Carolina National Championship basketball game twenty seventeen. It
was won on like a thirty foot shot by Chris
Jenkins at the buzzer, maybe twenty eight feet. Tiger Woods
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Pebble Beach two thousand when he won by fifteen shots,
and then later that same summer Tiger Woods PGA here
in Louisville against an unknown named Bob May who just
absolutely pushed him to the brink and Tiger won that.
Then horse racing got to mention the American Pharaoh triple
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crown in twenty fifteen was incredible. I've covered horse racing
since nineteen eighty eight and seen like a dozen horses
come close and not get it done. So to see
one actually do it right there in person at the
Belmont was amazing. Then Olympics, well, I was there when
Phelps won all of eight of his gold medals in
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two thousand and eight in Beijing. Love my time covering
the Olympics in London as well, and Rio and Tokyo
and Paris. So anyway, that's that's that's that's an off
the top of my head less there's.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Quickly go back to basketball because you mentioned Christian Late now,
who you obviously managed to see in person. Have you
been able to see any of Cooper Flag this year?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Right? They? How do they compare parts?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
He as Flag as good as people say is?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yes, I think he is, and I think he'll be
a better NBA player than Latner was. Laightner was an
all time great college player. I mean, he was absolutely outstanding,
as record speaks for itself. He just I'm not sure
why still to this day he didn't transfer a little
better to the NBA. His game might have been a
little too far ahead of what the NBA was doing,
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where he'd be great in this NBA where you can
be more away from the basket as a big person
and shoot from the outside and handle and all that
sort of thing. Flag he will definitely be the number
one pick in the draft. I've been debating with some people.
Some people think he's going to be, you know, a
twelve year pro who's just a good pro. I think
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he's got a chance to be a star. I do.
He's so good at everything. I think the counterpoint is
what's he great at? What is he? You know? Can
he score thirty a game? I don't know, can he
you know what exactly is he going to be? But
I would draft him number one and I'll be prepared
to have a probably a ten year All Star.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Well fantastic. And you've just rained off ten of maybe
the greatest sporting events that anyone could could be. And
you've been at countless other games on the sidelines or
on the field or whatever. What's the best atmosphere that
you've experienced a sporting event?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Oh, that's a good one. And you know what it
made you immediately made me think of a football game
that I forgot to mention, and I would say that
was the Kick six Auburn Alabama Iron Bowl in twenty thirteen,
where that was Auburn. They now changed it, which is sad.
But the press box used to be open air like,
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there were no windows so you could put them up afterwards,
but they had them open during games. And the noise
that accompanied that return for the winning touchdown was like
the most percussive thing I've ever felt. It was just
unbelievable how loud it was as people figured out what
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was happening, and I remember again violating press protocol for sure,
but again it was so loud. Nobody's gonna hear me
standing up in the press box and spread my arms
white when he was at like the thirty and saying
he's because there was nobody around him, and you can
just see it from up there. And just for the
way that game was already a great game and for
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it to end like that was just unbelievable. And then
you know the depth of feeling that goes into Auburn Alabama.
I know you guys have studied this. You know, there's
just there's no rivalry quite as heated as that one,
and so for Auburn to beat Alabama that way was just,
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you know, preposterous. And I do remember then after it happened,
and you're stunned, and I'm trying to make my way
down these ramps to get down to interview people. There
was an Auburn fan wearing you know, the blue and
orange overalls, and he's got a pom pom and he
was skipping along by itself. He's like forty years old.
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He's skipping along like a little child, like this is
the happiest day of his entire life. And that's how
much it meant to Auburn.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You've been around and actively involved in in some of
the great sporting moments, and you just said, then, but
what is just to finish us off tonight, what is
a sporting memory that not necessarily were there at in
person he might have been that was so important groundbreak
We all have event where you remember exactly where you
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were when it happened because it was so instrumental and
groundbreaking and sport defining. What's that one moment for you
that you'll never forget exactly where you were when that happened.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yep, Gosh, I can give you so many of them.
I'm trying to think from like a historic import. I
would say probably Jack Nicholas winning his last Masters in
nineteen eighty six. And I was a student at Missouri
and we were, you know, probably your fairly classic American
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family where we tuned in for major golf events. But
my dad loved the Masters, and you know, he loved
Jack Nicholas. That was his favorite golfer, So that became
my favorite golfer. I was just kind of handed down
and that at that point nineteen eighty six. He kind
of think you're not going to see him do anything
anymore and for him to win, and I, you know,
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got on the phone from my dorm room at the
University of Missouri and called home collect I was like, Dad,
can you believe it? You know, and just having that
conversation was incredibly meaningful, you know, to have seen that
happen and be able to talk to my dad about
even though we weren't in the same place, that was
really cool. That comes to mind. But gosh, I mean
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so many out of so many football games. I was
grew up a Bronco fan, and the first time they
won the Super Bowl and watching that actually was a
lexing Kentucky. And then I was at the second one
when they won, the next when they beat the Falcons,
and being at that game that was really cool and
a real also a challenge to press box professionalist.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
At least you're honest about it, and a listen, we
could we could talk for us, but we don't have time.
And I did want to pick your brains just very
quickly that imlayava situation at Tennessee. Just a couple of
minutes on your thoughts on because it's got repercussions for
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the game, and the game is changing, as we know
over the last two years, three years, the game is
changing out with all recognition. This seems to be another
stepping stone. What do you make of it?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
All? Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it really could be
a watershed moment. It may not be, but it feels
like kind of a tipping point in terms of A
who has the power? But B like, what are the
repercussions for athletes who full of this crass of a
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power play. I think he's going to lose money. I
think he's gonna lose fan support and popularity, and I
don't know where he's gonna go next. I frankly, I like,
I think there are no winners in this. You know,
the young man is not winning. Whoever's advising him, his father,
his agent, they're not winning. They look bad in this. Tennessee,
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the State of Tennessee, and I wrote about this the
the irony, the karmic boomerang, if you will, you know,
the State of Tennessee and the Attorney General and all
those fans empowered Nico Ima to make all the money
he could make by enjoining the NCAA and going to
court so they couldn't enforce their rules. That led him
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to getting that contract. Well, reap what you saw. Man,
here comes the rules. Now that there's no rules in
this kit, feels like he can do whatever he wants
to get money. He's gonna hold you up. And so
Tennessee loses. The collective there thought they had outsmarted everybody.
They lose. Emlava loses. And yes, the basic like who's
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in charge? Where's the power? Uh, the institutional power versus
the athletic power, I think is now thrown up for
grabs and we'll see what happens out of it. But
you know, the transfer portal levels. We're taping this on
Tuesday afternoon. Transfer portal opens on Wednesday. Are going to
what's going to be the market for him and who
wants to spend a lot of money for somebody who
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may or may not really give a damn about anything
other than making money.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
You make a great point that I don't think it's
something that everyone really appreciates. So if you, if you
wouldn't mind just kind of embellishing that a little bit.
This is such a rare situation where a power for
this isn't a backup quarterback at a powerful program. This
isn't a group of five starter who is looking for
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a powerful opportunity. This is a powerful starter who right
now in the string spring transfer port doesn't have a
lot of options to play powerful starting football next you have?
Can you can you just kind of them up? How
the cat make? How massive the whole situation is? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It is. I mean, yes, we're talking about a guy
who was a starting quarterback in a play in the
playoffs last year, who you know his team will could
be top ten to start this year. And I really
think you went in saying they need me so I
can basically hold them for ransom here. And I think
Tennessee shot back and said, you know what, you were
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pretty good last year, but you weren't transformative. The main
reason we were good was our defense. Uh, and we're
just not going to put up. We're not going to
be held for hot held hostage like this. So uh,
it is. It is huge. It's seismic. Can Tennessee go
get a different quarterback or they just got to go
with what they got? Where does Nico end up? He
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can't transfer within the SEC rule state that after February first,
you cannot enter conference transfer there, and I'm glad somebody
still has a rule on something. But then, yeah, once
the pool of other schools that are a have the
money and be the willingness to go out and get
him there, there's a few, we'll say. But already I
think he's probably figured out that he overplayed his hand
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because several potential landing spots have been like Nope, we
don't want it. So it is a wild, wild development
for sure.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, it's it's caught all the headlines this last week,
and that's all the time we've got for we've got
for this, and we really do appreciate you taking your time.
I mentioned at the start, how busy a guy you
are a part and what keeps you busy at this
time of year? What have you got coming up that
our listeners can watch out for and where can they
find you?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Uh, Kentucky Derby coming up here in two and a
half weeks in Louisville, so I get a home game here.
It'll be my thirty eighth Kentucky Derby, I think. So
I'm looking forward to doing some work on that. I've
got some I've got a fun NFL draft story coming
out later this week on Travis Hunter. I think people
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will enjoy kind of a different one. I'm gonna be
keeping an eye on the transfer portal, and then once
we get past the derby, it's kind of Triple Crown season.
I'll be doing a lot of horse racing there and
just waiting for the latest weird thing to happen in
college sports, SI dot Com Sports Illustrated, it'd be the
place to find me.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Thank you so much. That's all from us. Thanks to
Pat and Oli for the awesome and thanks to you
for listening, and thanks for I continued to support us.
Stay safe and well and catch all next time.
I'm not going to comment on that.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'll get fine for the rest of my life if
I get comment on that National championships.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
That's young Stirl.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Hey everyone, and welcome to the College Chaps podcast. On
this episode, we continue your series of talking to guests
about the sporting memories at first with the Chaps, I'm
joined by Oliver this week. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Doing really well?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Transfer part?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
This is probably going out Tuesday, ur transfer port tomorrow Wednesday.
I think at the moment, I'm the only person who
is in the college football spring transfer portal window at
this moment in time, so yes, but I am moving out,
so I don't quite sure if that counts as being
on the move. Not quite the same way. No one's
paying me four million dollars to try and stay with
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their football program.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I was going to say, if you've got to ask
for more money than it's going to be a very
short podcast, that's for sure. Our our guests the terms
for a second appearance, making him a member of the
exclusive repeat offenders club. You know him probably has call
him the forty yard Dash and his excellent College Football
Inquirer podcast. So it's awesome to welcome back Pat forty. Hi, Pat, welcome,
(01:29):
how are you hello?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Guys. Happy to be on with you all.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
It's been out well else as we spoke to you,
I mean, I was trying to work out it was
a it was at least a couple of years ago.
I think we've had we've had ross on since then.
But yeah, you're at least a couple of years back,
I think.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, I think so, you know, and I am gratified
that college football can actually garner listenership across the pond
with you all, and I know you you follow it
with great ardor and probably amusement as well at some
of the stupid that goes on. But happy to be
on with you all again.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
That's part of the beauty of the beautiful game, as
they say. As I said at the top of the introduction,
we're running a series over springing summer of talking to
guess about their sporting memories, and we thought you would
be a great guest because I don't want to anyway
insult you, but you've been around the block a few times,
so you know you've you've you've been to a lot
of great sporting events. We'll get onto I think maybe
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wider sporting events in a second, But from a college
football perspective, what are the what are the memories that
jump out for you part? What's what are the things
that make you recall fondly?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, you know, I mean, I guess I would say
I became a college football fan when probably I was
five or six years old, and it was largely because
A it was on TV in our household, and B
I just thought the uniforms were fantastic, and so I started,
you know, being transfixed by Notre Dame's gold hells and
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the Longhorn on the Texas helmet and you know, the
cool though what exactly was that Michigan wing victory thing?
You know, and so it all just really kind of
appealed to me at a young age. And we were
a big football fanatic family. I have a brother who's
twelve years older than I am, who went to Notre Dame,
and so he kind of indoctrinated me as a Notre
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Dame fan about age six, and I've you know, just
hooked ever since then. You know. Turning it into a
job was fantastic, and being able to cover the sport
and I've seen I think every national championship game from
two thousand and four onward, and before that covered several
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others in various iterations. You know, we have a playoff,
we had a BCS championship, we had you know, whatever
the heck preceded that. I think the first championship quote
unquote championship game I covered was Notre Dame West Virginia
nineteen eighty eight Fiesta Bowl, where the winner that was,
you know, assuredly going to win the vote, and Notre
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Dame won that, and so, you know, it's just kind
of been something I have I've been around and followed
fairly obsessively. I will also say, like in starting in
like third grade, I think I, like every Thursday picked
the winners of every single college game and write them
all down on paper and then go back and see
how many I got right and how many I got wrong.
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Scores included, which was a bit ridiculous, but it was
something that you know, kind of helped also attached me
to the sport. So I can give you many individual
game memories if you want, but that's kind of how
I got hooked.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
You're originally from Colorado, was that right? So what was
it you mentioned Notre Dame and Michigan, And what was
the kind of predominant fan base up in up in Colorado,
because I'm assuming that Buffaloes are there following, but maybe
I wasn't as a way of following as pots, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, there, they were definitely the team in Colorado in
versity color and they were good when I was young,
early to mid seventies. There was also we lived in
Colorada Springs, so the Air Force Academy had a bit
of a following as well. But but Colorado, and that
was the Big Eight Conference at the time, and so
it was powerhouse Oklahoma, powerhouse Nebraska, and that was you know,
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back then, you did not get fifty football games a weekend.
You got like two, and the Big Eight Conference was
the game of the week was what you got. So
I watched a lot of Oklahoma and Nebraska and wishbone football,
which I thought was just really cool and very fun
back in the seventies.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I didn't realize until maybe five years ago I spoke
to some of the players at Colorado. I didn't realize
the Nebraska game was such a huge rivalry game. As
it's a It's a massive game, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It was huge, absolutely, and I mean for the long time,
Nebraska just beat the tar out of Colorado. You know,
Nebraska was just a machine that rolled through the seventies
and eighties and a good part of the nineties as well.
Colorado had a few blips of rebellion in there in
like the late eighties early nineties where they won a
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national championship. But yeah, Bill McCartney was the coach who
came in, and I mean, I think the Colorado program
was a bit downtrodden at the time. He he aimed
high and said, nobody's wearing red in this facility because
we hate Nebraska. They couldn't, you know, they were losing
sixty two to nothing to Nebraska. But he decided, We're
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going to go pick on the pick on the biggest
kid on the block and turn that into a rivalry.
And eventually they did it. And yeah, that was It
was pretty heated and pretty fun to watch actually unfold.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You know, much more southern than Colorado Springs. Maybe don't know,
I don't know quite sua precisely, but but you moved
down your graduate of Missouri, were you're aware of Southeast
football before you came down or what was that like
when you got down into the Southeastern Conference.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, I was. And you know when I went to
Missouri was still that was a Big Eight Conference affiliation,
and so Missouri was playing Colorado and Oklahoma and in
Nebraska and then later it you know, it became an
SEC school and I moved actually out of when I
got graduate from college to Louisville, Kentucky, so Southeastern Conference there.
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I mean, I was certainly aware of it, because again
I was a fan of everything, but living it in
Louisville and covering a lot of it, you get much
more aware and kind of a pre an appreciation for
the incredible depth of feeling that goes with it. And
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if anything, it's only gotten deeper. I've lived in quote
unquote SEC territory for thirty seven years and the fans
just continue to get crazier, which makes it all the
more interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Just before we move on to a broadest sports topic,
in terms of your your memories, you tugs or mentioned
something there that tugs a little bit at my heart strings,
and that's how you fell in love with the game,
which was the uniforms and some of those you have
a Notre Dame goal, the Milan, PA college football made
the uniforms is one of the greatest things. Even now
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as a forty one year old man, like, what, as
you look back over your career covering the game and
growing up around the game, what's the greatest college football
uniform of all time?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh boy, I think my natural inclination is to say
Michigan home uniforms. They're they're blue with it. When they
wore their yellow pants, they've gone down to the blue pants,
which I don't like as much. But the Michigan with
the wing victory helmet, the navy blue, the yellow numbers,
and the and the fellow pants is awfully hard to beat.
(09:02):
I really like that one, especially if you combine it
with the fight song when it's audio visual and they
got that great fight song. Hey to the Victor's Valiant.
The whole thing is just that's a great sensory experience.
I think I'm trying to think what I really like.
The Texas Whites like the all white. I think it's
a really nice, clean look. Trying to think what other
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ones really spring to mind. I guess I would put
those two, though Oliver at the top of the list,
and then figure out, Oh Ucla. I've always loved the
powder blue the light blue for UCLA as well.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
So that's three very traditional colors. What's your take on
what Oregon do with their uniform with the vast array,
like thirty different uniforms of the other season.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, it's it's it's a bit much. It's you know,
I thought it was really not just back in the day,
and then you kind of become numb to it, I guess,
But I understand why they did it. First of all,
you know, they are they are the Nike School, so
they've got all the uniform money they could possibly want,
and they were trying to establish an identity, and so
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it's like, we're just going to throw the craziest combinations
in most garish shades of yellow and green out there,
and people are going to be forced to acknowledge us
and and you know, hate it or love it. So
I get it. I never liked really any of it,
but I understand why they did it.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It's funny because they the episode prior to us speaking
to you, we did like an April fall special in
Oregon released those Neon pink uniforms in April fools. Right
to be fair, it's not really in April fools, because
you could imagine Oregon actually like rocking up and wearing
their uniforms. And obviously obviously a very close affiliation throughout
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your life and career as a sports reporter with college football,
but you're also inextricably linked with Numero Silver Sports as
well as you look back across that broad spectrum, What
are some of your favorite sporting memories of all time?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Well, I'm going to start with one that I mean
is not topable and is very personal, and that's my
youngest child swimming in the Tokyo Olympics in twenty twenty one.
So like nothing, I I don't care what I see. Nothing,
we'll ever top that. So that that's the main thing.
And that was that was pandemic. That was so hard,
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the whole thing, just getting through that and the twenty
twenty games being postponed and being terrified, Oh my gosh,
they're not even going to have them, and this thing
she's trained for and worked for her whole life is
just going to disappear into the ether. And then they
you know, they rescheduled, and you know, it was very
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very hard to make the American team, and she did
and really the the the Olympic trials were. That was
the the most stressful part and the most wild jubilation
when she made it, because just making the team, saying
I'm an Olympian was the biggest thing. And then so
you get to Parish, it's like, man, this is gravy,
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this is awesome. Please don't fall off the starting blog.
And you know, I was one of the only parents
who could be there. Nobody else, you know, there was
no family, There were no fans, which really stunk for
the athletes the amount that they were in him with it.
I get it. I'm not complaining, but it was unfortunate
for them. But I was so lucky. I believe they
were like eight, maybe six American Olympians that had family
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members there, and all of them were coaches of some
kind or another. And then there's me, sportswriter. So being
a sports writer paid off. My mom and dad may
wanted me to be a doctor or lawyer, but one time,
being a sports writer paid off. So that's that's number one.
We can go down the list from there, just.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
On that, because I spoke with a lot of college
football players who have had close working relationships with their
parents as coaches. You know, guys who have come through
high school with their dad as their coach and now
they're their manager and they never stopped being their coach
as well. How how much of a roller coaster and
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how difficult it is is you so you were there
as a sports writer as well as a father, How
much of a roller coaster is that journey trying to
I guess maintain a level of objectivity in reporting but
also being dad.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, I mean, see, it is interesting. It really is,
just because I've spent my whole life basically watching sporting
events with my mouth shut and an analytical eye, so
to speak of what is the story? What am I
going to write? I'm not here to cheer, I'm here
to you know, to analyze. And then your kids and
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really all three of my kids were in college, but
they you know, they they're competing, and then you just
become that that you know, screaming parent And it was
a blasphem. It was the most fun I've ever had
watching them all compete. When it came together like that
at Olympic trials and at the Olympics, that was a
whole other dynamic where it's funny like at Olympic Trials.
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We were in Omaha, and I had a credential to
cover some stuff, but anytime my kids swam, I took
it off and went over to the other side of
the arena and sat with my wife and my sons
to watch. And then you know, jumped up and down
and hoo, didn't hollered and everything. But so that was
kind of like literally shifting it and out of those
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modes then and there. And then in Tokyo, you know,
she was swimming on the eight hundred freestyle relay, and
the thing I've always done before she swam. I would
always say, you know, yeah, let's go rookie. And I
was like, I'm sitting in press seating, there's no fans
in here. I don't give it, amn, I'm doing it.
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And I yelled it and nobody got my out of me,
which is good, and it went great obviously, But then
I went down to the mix zone interview area and
got to see her there, which was really cool. You know, again,
we're like masks and there's barriers and you know, it's weird,
but but that was still obviously a lifetime highlight.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, that's that's never that's never going to change it, right,
that's never going to be going to be beaten to
be a pam. So let's let's let's take away from
the family business, because you were a swimming as well.
If I'm if, I'm correage. So let's take away from
the family business. What other sporting highlights jumpe I you pat.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Pool several? I had a list at one point of
like the top seven things I've ever covered. It's now
about like ten, and they crossed several different sports, football, basketball,
horse racing, golf, Olympics. So just I will throw some
of them out, try to go in semi chronological order
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number one for quite a while and may still be.
I don't know, it's hard to rank him other than
my kid. But nineteen ninety two Duke Kentucky one hundred
and four hundred and three overtime East Regional Final in Philadelphia,
what's still pretty widely considered the greatest college basketball game
ever played. Just an incredible that was the collision of
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storylines there, but then the level of play was just unbelievable.
Christian Latner was the hero for Duke and made every shot.
He took ten out of ten field goals, ten out
of ten free throws and made a turnaround buzzer beater
in overtime to win the game. So that one and
that I will say that like took years off my
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life because I was on a newspaper deadline and trying
to file a coherent game story for the front page
of the paper in Louisville, Kentucky on Kentucky. After that
was you know, that's one of the reasons sports writers drink.
It was the old especially the old newspaper deadlines. So
that football the forty three forty two fiestabal Boise State,
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oaklah Homa in two thousand and seven, where Boise States
last three scoring plays were a hooking lateral for fifty
yards to get the game into overtime, then a half
back pass for an overtime touchdown, then a statue of
liberty handoff for the winning points. And after the winning
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points there Ian Johnson, the running back, actually dropped to
a knee and proposed to his girlfriend, who was a
cheerleader on the team. It was the most ridiculous thing.
You could not make up that collision of storylines. I
think it was two years earlier, maybe one year earlier.
The Vince Young versus usc Rose DCS Championship game where
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Vince Young played on a different level than you've ever
seen anybody play. They won the game. There, Let's see
Villanova North Carolina National Championship basketball game twenty seventeen. It
was won on like a thirty foot shot by Chris
Jenkins at the buzzer, maybe twenty eight feet. Tiger Woods
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Pebble Beach two thousand when he won by fifteen shots,
and then later that same summer Tiger Woods PGA here
in Louisville against an unknown named Bob May who just
absolutely pushed him to the brink and Tiger won that.
Then horse racing got to mention the American Pharaoh triple
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crown in twenty fifteen was incredible. I've covered horse racing
since nineteen eighty eight and seen like a dozen horses
come close and not get it done. So to see
one actually do it right there in person at the
Belmont was amazing. Then Olympics, well, I was there when
Phelps won all of eight of his gold medals in
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two thousand and eight in Beijing. Love my time covering
the Olympics in London as well, and Rio and Tokyo
and Paris. So anyway, that's that's that's that's an off
the top of my head less there's.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Quickly go back to basketball because you mentioned Christian Late now,
who you obviously managed to see in person. Have you
been able to see any of Cooper Flag this year?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Right? They? How do they compare parts?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
He as Flag as good as people say is?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yes, I think he is, and I think he'll be
a better NBA player than Latner was. Laightner was an
all time great college player. I mean, he was absolutely outstanding,
as record speaks for itself. He just I'm not sure
why still to this day he didn't transfer a little
better to the NBA. His game might have been a
little too far ahead of what the NBA was doing,
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where he'd be great in this NBA where you can
be more away from the basket as a big person
and shoot from the outside and handle and all that
sort of thing. Flag he will definitely be the number
one pick in the draft. I've been debating with some people.
Some people think he's going to be, you know, a
twelve year pro who's just a good pro. I think
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he's got a chance to be a star. I do.
He's so good at everything. I think the counterpoint is
what's he great at? What is he? You know? Can
he score thirty a game? I don't know, can he
you know what exactly is he going to be? But
I would draft him number one and I'll be prepared
to have a probably a ten year All Star.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Well fantastic. And you've just rained off ten of maybe
the greatest sporting events that anyone could could be. And
you've been at countless other games on the sidelines or
on the field or whatever. What's the best atmosphere that
you've experienced a sporting event?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Oh, that's a good one. And you know what it
made you immediately made me think of a football game
that I forgot to mention, and I would say that
was the Kick six Auburn Alabama Iron Bowl in twenty thirteen,
where that was Auburn. They now changed it, which is sad.
But the press box used to be open air like,
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there were no windows so you could put them up afterwards,
but they had them open during games. And the noise
that accompanied that return for the winning touchdown was like
the most percussive thing I've ever felt. It was just
unbelievable how loud it was as people figured out what
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was happening, and I remember again violating press protocol for sure,
but again it was so loud. Nobody's gonna hear me
standing up in the press box and spread my arms
white when he was at like the thirty and saying
he's because there was nobody around him, and you can
just see it from up there. And just for the
way that game was already a great game and for
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it to end like that was just unbelievable. And then
you know the depth of feeling that goes into Auburn Alabama.
I know you guys have studied this. You know, there's
just there's no rivalry quite as heated as that one,
and so for Auburn to beat Alabama that way was just,
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you know, preposterous. And I do remember then after it happened,
and you're stunned, and I'm trying to make my way
down these ramps to get down to interview people. There
was an Auburn fan wearing you know, the blue and
orange overalls, and he's got a pom pom and he
was skipping along by itself. He's like forty years old.
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He's skipping along like a little child, like this is
the happiest day of his entire life. And that's how
much it meant to Auburn.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You've been around and actively involved in in some of
the great sporting moments, and you just said, then, but
what is just to finish us off tonight, what is
a sporting memory that not necessarily were there at in
person he might have been that was so important groundbreak
We all have event where you remember exactly where you
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were when it happened because it was so instrumental and
groundbreaking and sport defining. What's that one moment for you
that you'll never forget exactly where you were when that happened.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yep, Gosh, I can give you so many of them.
I'm trying to think from like a historic import. I
would say probably Jack Nicholas winning his last Masters in
nineteen eighty six. And I was a student at Missouri
and we were, you know, probably your fairly classic American
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family where we tuned in for major golf events. But
my dad loved the Masters, and you know, he loved
Jack Nicholas. That was his favorite golfer, So that became
my favorite golfer. I was just kind of handed down
and that at that point nineteen eighty six. He kind
of think you're not going to see him do anything
anymore and for him to win, and I, you know,
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got on the phone from my dorm room at the
University of Missouri and called home collect I was like, Dad,
can you believe it? You know, and just having that
conversation was incredibly meaningful, you know, to have seen that
happen and be able to talk to my dad about
even though we weren't in the same place, that was
really cool. That comes to mind. But gosh, I mean
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so many out of so many football games. I was
grew up a Bronco fan, and the first time they
won the Super Bowl and watching that actually was a
lexing Kentucky. And then I was at the second one
when they won, the next when they beat the Falcons,
and being at that game that was really cool and
a real also a challenge to press box professionalist.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
At least you're honest about it, and a listen, we
could we could talk for us, but we don't have time.
And I did want to pick your brains just very
quickly that imlayava situation at Tennessee. Just a couple of
minutes on your thoughts on because it's got repercussions for
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the game, and the game is changing, as we know
over the last two years, three years, the game is
changing out with all recognition. This seems to be another
stepping stone. What do you make of it?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
All? Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it really could be
a watershed moment. It may not be, but it feels
like kind of a tipping point in terms of A
who has the power? But B like, what are the
repercussions for athletes who full of this crass of a
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power play. I think he's going to lose money. I
think he's gonna lose fan support and popularity, and I
don't know where he's gonna go next. I frankly, I like,
I think there are no winners in this. You know,
the young man is not winning. Whoever's advising him, his father,
his agent, they're not winning. They look bad in this. Tennessee,
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the State of Tennessee, and I wrote about this the
the irony, the karmic boomerang, if you will, you know,
the State of Tennessee and the Attorney General and all
those fans empowered Nico Ima to make all the money
he could make by enjoining the NCAA and going to
court so they couldn't enforce their rules. That led him
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to getting that contract. Well, reap what you saw. Man,
here comes the rules. Now that there's no rules in
this kit, feels like he can do whatever he wants
to get money. He's gonna hold you up. And so
Tennessee loses. The collective there thought they had outsmarted everybody.
They lose. Emlava loses. And yes, the basic like who's
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in charge? Where's the power? Uh, the institutional power versus
the athletic power, I think is now thrown up for
grabs and we'll see what happens out of it. But
you know, the transfer portal levels. We're taping this on
Tuesday afternoon. Transfer portal opens on Wednesday. Are going to
what's going to be the market for him and who
wants to spend a lot of money for somebody who
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may or may not really give a damn about anything
other than making money.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
You make a great point that I don't think it's
something that everyone really appreciates. So if you, if you
wouldn't mind just kind of embellishing that a little bit.
This is such a rare situation where a power for
this isn't a backup quarterback at a powerful program. This
isn't a group of five starter who is looking for
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a powerful opportunity. This is a powerful starter who right
now in the string spring transfer port doesn't have a
lot of options to play powerful starting football next you have?
Can you can you just kind of them up? How
the cat make? How massive the whole situation is? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It is. I mean, yes, we're talking about a guy
who was a starting quarterback in a play in the
playoffs last year, who you know his team will could
be top ten to start this year. And I really
think you went in saying they need me so I
can basically hold them for ransom here. And I think
Tennessee shot back and said, you know what, you were
(28:27):
pretty good last year, but you weren't transformative. The main
reason we were good was our defense. Uh, and we're
just not going to put up. We're not going to
be held for hot held hostage like this. So uh,
it is. It is huge. It's seismic. Can Tennessee go
get a different quarterback or they just got to go
with what they got? Where does Nico end up? He
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can't transfer within the SEC rule state that after February first,
you cannot enter conference transfer there, and I'm glad somebody
still has a rule on something. But then, yeah, once
the pool of other schools that are a have the
money and be the willingness to go out and get
him there, there's a few, we'll say. But already I
think he's probably figured out that he overplayed his hand
(29:13):
because several potential landing spots have been like Nope, we
don't want it. So it is a wild, wild development
for sure.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, it's it's caught all the headlines this last week,
and that's all the time we've got for we've got
for this, and we really do appreciate you taking your time.
I mentioned at the start, how busy a guy you
are a part and what keeps you busy at this
time of year? What have you got coming up that
our listeners can watch out for and where can they
find you?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Uh, Kentucky Derby coming up here in two and a
half weeks in Louisville, so I get a home game here.
It'll be my thirty eighth Kentucky Derby, I think. So
I'm looking forward to doing some work on that. I've
got some I've got a fun NFL draft story coming
out later this week on Travis Hunter. I think people
(30:04):
will enjoy kind of a different one. I'm gonna be
keeping an eye on the transfer portal, and then once
we get past the derby, it's kind of Triple Crown season.
I'll be doing a lot of horse racing there and
just waiting for the latest weird thing to happen in
college sports, SI dot Com Sports Illustrated, it'd be the
place to find me.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Thank you so much. That's all from us. Thanks to
Pat and Oli for the awesome and thanks to you
for listening, and thanks for I continued to support us.
Stay safe and well and catch all next time.
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