August 8, 2025 • 30 mins
With the Netflix debut of "SEC Football: Any Given Saturday" the Chaps have the opportunity to talk with the show's Executive Producer, Paul Martin to talk about,
- the shows origins & the appeal of a show covering the SEC
- Paul's experience of getting down into the South versus his expectations
- some of the stories coming from the show
- if the show can have the same impact on the European audience that Drive to Survive had on the US audience
- Paul's thoughts on College Football
- will there by a season 2?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm not going to comment on that. I'll get fine
for the rest of my life if I get comment
on that national championship.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
He's that young girls, everyone, and welcome to their College
Chaps podcast. On this episode, we're going to talk to
our guest about his new Netflix show SEC Football any
given Saturday. But first we are the Chaps, and given
his passionate love affair with the SEC World Horses, could
(00:42):
not stop Oliver from joining this episode. Olliver, how are you,
my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm doing very well.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Thank you, guys. I don't know when this is going out,
to be honest, but as we're recording it, just over
two weeks until the start of the college football season,
so I am very good, very excited. Had a very
enjoyable weekend buy it up for college football thanks to
the man where I will as to that.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Indeed, I've never had so much fun researching an episode.
Our guest is a multi award winning producer at Box
to Walks Films, who are responsible for some of the
biggest and most successful sporting documentaries you'll have watched predominantly
on Netflix in recent years. Drive to Survive, Full Swing,
Sprint six Nationals, Full Contact, Sena Marridon. I could go
(01:26):
on for some time. However, this week we have witnessed
the debut on Netflix of a new series covering SEC
football called Any Given Saturday, which documents the team's coaches
and players from the Southeastern Conference throughout the course of
the twenty twenty four to twenty five season. So we
are really super excited to welcome executive producer of Any
Given Saturday, Paul Martin. Paul, welcome, How are you good?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Good grit to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I imagine it's been a loss as Friday we're recording,
as it's been a long week for you with the
debut of the show, So I assume that you're doing
a lot of this type of stuff this week.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, I mean it's been great. I mean, you know,
I think we talked to him when we first met
Georgia of like, you know, coming from coming from the
UK and coming from Europe, the college football world is
you know, kind of goes over our head a little
bit for various reasons, and and you know, and and
me even as a huge sports fan and as an
(02:24):
NFL fan, I think I said to you, I'm a
long time, long suffering Miami Dolphins fan, but college football
just was never it never really resonated with me in
any way, and and so I think it's just, you know,
it's kind of crazy because the interest levels on it
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are incredible and I've seen that this week. You know,
so many people want to talk to me about the show.
I've been getting so many texts from you know, I
mean a lot of people that went to Vandy seemed
to really like the show for recent reasons. So a
lot of Vandy alumni have been texted me and all
that stuff. So, yeah, it's phenomenal and you know, but
also no surprise, like once you know, once you get
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to know the SEC, and once you get to know
college football, then you appreciate how big, you know, it
is as a league and how big these you know,
these individual kind of institutions are.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, so let's go back to the start then, Paul,
I'm a huge you know from meeting me in Atlanta,
I'm a very big sadicent conference fan. The sport is
larger than the SEC. There's many different conferences. How did
the opportunity with the SEC come about?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, I think it was. It's probably the perfect storm.
I just moved back to Los Angeles, so as a business.
We were looking at you know and talking to a
lot of the big US sports rights holders. We also
had a very good relationship with Netflix and a bunch
of the other platforms. And we were talking about college football.
(04:02):
And at that point I couldn't have told you the
difference between any of the conferences, honestly, you know that
I couldn't even name that there's Big Ten and all
that kind of stuff. So I didn't. So for me,
I thought all college sport was kind of created equal
and and you know, didn't know, you know, a USC
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from a UCLA from a Tennessee or whatever. So you know,
we talked about I talked about college football in a
very general way of like, yeah, it would be called
to do something in college football. I didn't understand the
politics of the conferences. I didn't understand the history anything
like that. And then someone just said, listen, if you're
going to if you're going to talk to college football,
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you've got to start with the SEC. You know, it's
it's you know, the biggest and the best and the
most passionate. And there's teams like Alabama and Georgia and
you know, and Florida and LSU and all that stuff. So,
you know, I think at the same time internally at
the SEC, I think someone there had watched Drive to
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Survive had become aware of, you know, what that had
done for for that sport, or how it had been
additive to kind of that sport. So then when someone
made the introduction between Boxer Box and SEC, they were
receptive of like, yeah, sure, come down and you know,
we'll take a meet in and we'll hear you know,
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what it's all about. And that was probably two years ago, honestly.
So we went down and we met Commissioner Sankey and
a few of his inner circle, and but it was
really starting from the ground up of like, right, this
is this is how we do stuff, and here's the
reasons why and and here's why I think it could
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be additive to the SEC, because I think that's you know,
not to say that any of these shows are you know,
puff pieces or or you know, giant adverts for it,
but you know, they, you know, the SEC and the
schools have to feel like there's a reason to do it.
And we were lucky is that the Commissioner you know,
(06:08):
brought into it pretty quickly, you know, understood it and
understood that if this thing does well, why it could
be additive to kind of the SEC. But also, you know,
Commissioner saying was very you know, it's very honest with us.
He was like, look, I can till I'm blue in
the face, I can tell all the schools that I
think this is a good idea. And we as the SEC,
(06:30):
you know, are endorsing that we should do this. But
it's going to be an individual school by school basis.
And then what he's really saying at that point is
it's going to be an individual coach by coach basis,
because you know, they're the guys that are going to
make the final decision. You know, even the athletic directors
at the schools can be as supportive as they like.
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And and that was the next way we went, and
we met all the kind of the athletic directors and
then it just came it came down to the coaches.
And so so probably maybe you know, a year or
you know, certainly six months after that initial meeting with
Commissioner Sankee, myself in a couple of execs from from
(07:12):
Netflix found ourselves in a room with all sixteen coaches
of the SEC, which probably was the scariest meeting I've
ever been in my life.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Obviously, you talked there all about how you had to
set almost sell this to the SEC and Commissioner sank
you as a good friend of the podcast has been
on actually before and sell how it added to them.
But as you've got into those negotiations with you know, coaches,
Commissioner sank, everyone around the SEC. What was it that
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appeal to you guys about that conference that made you realize,
you know what, we could be on something awesome here.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah. I think it was just, you know, the what
I love about being a kind of an outsider in
that world is that everything is you know, you're like
a kid in a candy shop. You know, you go
down and I remember we went and we had I
think the meeting we had with the athletic director sort
of just culminated and being sat with somewhere in North
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Carolina and just being sat around this kind of in
this big, you know, sort of bar area and everyone's
ordering these bourbon and just telling all these war stories
from all their different schools and the different rivalries, and
it was great. It what made you realize that, you know,
the tradition you know as everyone's like, well, America has
(08:33):
no history and blah blah blah blah, and you know,
but the traditions at these schools and the traditions around
these rivalries, you know, the egg bowl, I had no
idea about, you know how fierce that rivalry is, you know,
around around the egg ball. And so you know, it
was just that and you're sat there as a producer
and you sort of the deals, deals with anyone are
(08:54):
always incredibly difficult to get over the line, and you know,
and try not to get into the nitty gritty of
that stuff. But if just as purely as a producer,
I'm sat there and I'm listening to them, and I'm
listening to the characters, and I'm hearing the accents, and
you know, they're all, you know, incredibly amazing storytellers and
just you know, sitting there so excited about what that
(09:19):
show could could be because you know it's you know,
you always look for is there, narrative? Is there? Is there?
You know, is there larger than live characters? Are there? Stakes?
Are their egos? Are there? You know, they're real, real
big rivalries, and it was all there in abundance in
the sec so I remember coming away from that meeting
with the athletic directors, you know, that was the moment
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I was really really pumped about what this could be.
And then from there we went and you know, went
to a few of the campuses as well to see
it and then that it becomes another level.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
The first school I think we went to was LSU
and you see Tiger Stadium for the first time. You know,
You're just like, where am I now? This is I'm
in the middle of Baton Rouge and there's this, you know,
one hundred and ten thousand seat a stadium and there's
a tiger in a cage. You know that they whell
owed onto the you know, onto the pitch. So yeah,
(10:16):
it was you know, just every level it just got
better and better and more compelling, which you know, sometimes
they don't. Sometimes it works in reverse. Sometimes you think
a world is going to be so full of this
stuff and as you get into it, you're like, my god,
we're going to struggle here.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
But the reverse was true, you know. In the sec Yeah,
you touched on some of the storylines that came through.
Easy had those descripsions in and it is a show
that focuses very much on relationships, individual storylines, individual personalities,
but run through the veins of the sec as you
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went into that was was that a conscious decision that
you wanted to get some of those storylines across or
was it more of a natural progression just because of
the characters that were involved in the game from and
then as you were filming.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, I think it's. I think it's the way we
tell stories at Box the Box honestly is that we
are always folk like, even though they're team sports, some
of them that we work in, it's like you need
those individual stories to carry, you know, and if you
can find those individual stories that resonate the bigger story.
(11:27):
And I think episode one of this show was a
great place for us to start. You know, you meet
Brian Kelly, firebrand legendary college coach at one of the
biggest programs in the you know, in the country with
huge expectations of national titles and and all that stuff.
And then on the flip side of it, you meet
coach Beamer at South Carolina not you know, not historically
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a story program, but the son of a legendary college
coaching kind of Frank Beamer and his stakes are sure
he wants to turn in South Carolina into something bigger
than they are, but he also wants to step out
of the legacy of his dad in the most respectful way.
You know, he wants to do it his own way.
He wants to be seen as Shane Bemo And we
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were like, that's just that works on so many levels.
You know that you can really explore or set up
a lot of the bigger themes of the sec through
the lens of those two individuals. And and that's the
way that we really like to work at Box to
box is like, you know, if we can find individual
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stories that speak to some of the bigger stories, then
you're then you're in a great place. You know. When
these shows work on three or four levels, that's you know,
that's the ideal place to be.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I'm kidious, Paul. When as someone like you from looking
at the say, from the looking in, when you sit
down and you talk to people athletic directors on the
lake and they tell your the war stories and stuff
like that, you've got kind of preconception of what had
been late. But once you get down there, once you
get down into Baton rouge or you know, Alabama or Tennessee.
(13:11):
What was it like for you and what was it
What was the biggest surprise that you got when you
when you got down into seeing it for the first thing.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I think it's I mean, I'd never spent a lot
of time in that part of the world, and I
think that you know, certainly for someone from kind of
the UK, but even you know, within the US, I
think that that part of the part of America comes
with a lot of you know, a lot of connotations
and a lot of people's expectations of what that's going
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to be. You know, what that part is going to
be like. You know, I'd be like, hey, I'm going
to you know, I'm going to Alabama next week. Were like,
are you going to Alabama? For? What's that going to
be like? And and you know, and I think that
actually that was another lay of it as we got
into it and we spent time in the in the communities,
you know, it's just the most hospitable people, you know, really,
(14:02):
you know, super respectful and super go out of their
way and super curious of like, hey, you know, what's
what's a boy like you in an accent like that, dude,
like do it here? You know, you know, it got
you know, got three cups of coffee and diners and
you know, all that kind of stuff. And but what
but what you realized is, you know, I remember, you know,
(14:23):
I remember being in Birmingham, Alabama, and then we went
out to this someone told us to go to this
this amazing kind of barbecue spot, which was you know,
probably like a forty minute drive from kind of Birmingham,
and it was this even small, like tiny, tiny town
and we walked in and just the whole place was
(14:44):
just you know Alabama, you know, posters and pictures and
helmets and legacy and blah blah blah and every you know,
the people behind the you know, the counter had Alabama
shirts on and looked at that, and you you know,
it sort of just makes you realize how in hoortant
it is to those communities, is what they It's what
they hang on every kind of weekend, and and you know,
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and so when we got into making the show, we
wanted to make that part. We wanted to try and
take people almost on the same journey that I'd been
on of just seeing the passion and you know, and
what it means to them, what what these Saturdays really
mean that if you're in a if you're in one
of these communities, in a you know, a small town,
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you know in the South, what happens on a Saturday
becomes your everything, and your your head coach and your
quarterback you know, are up on your wall and you know,
and you're so defined by how your team does on
that Saturday, and it's you know, it's amazing, you know,
it's it's amazing that these schools can have that impact
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on on these communities.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
As you said earlier, it's it's a concept which is
alien to us, right, we don't have that or kind
of because we run so much on pro football sports.
So to get down there and to see the community
aspect of it, and it's not just then Tuscal, it's
you know, it spends all over the all of the
safe without giving too much away for those who haven't
(16:14):
seen the full CDs hit, what what were some of
your highlights? What were some of your favorite moments from
from filming?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I think, you know, I mean, you know, Bandy and
in their upset of kind of Alabama and to be
there for that and then to be there in the
way that we were and like you know, I've said
quite a few times like we certainly didn't go there
with any you know, belief that you know, Vandy were
going to upset kind of Alabama in the way that
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they did. So that was amazing. I mean that, you know,
the aftermath of that game of you know, when the
when the final whistle or whatever it is always get
the terminology is wrong, whatever it signals the end of
the gay who or whatever it is is sounded, and
my phone was just blowing up with people with like,
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oh my god, are you there, are you there? Blah
blah blah, Vandy blah blah. And you were like, okay,
if you know, if if we get into the edit
and we cannot make this episode work, then all of
us need to go and find other jobs. Like it's
just perfect, you know. And so so that was that
was a great moment. You know, I think, you know,
(17:25):
I think some of the stuff with you know, not
not a joys moment, but but the fact that you
know Greg Mertz and what happens to him, and to
be there and for him to feel comfortable enough to
let us into some of the the areas that that
he let us in with his parents in incredibly emotional scenes.
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You know, that's a sign that you're doing something right.
So you know that that was great as well. So
you know, it's all that stuff. You know. I think
I honestly had a great time making the show. And
I say because I was partly a kid in the
candy shop who was experiencing all this stuff for the
first time. And it's so wild, you know, it's it's
it's such a wild world. So yeah, you know, I
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loved every moment of it. You know, they're always hard
when you get into the edit, you know, these shows,
to really elevate them to where you want them to be.
That's the toughest part. But even then, you know, I
always felt like we had something really really special.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
One of the we had, one of our guests was on.
He was a Nashville and he came on to speak
to us the week after the Vanderbilt Alabama game and
he told us the story about he's a radio guy,
so he was actually doing some radio from his place
and he wasn't following the game, but he could hear
the fireworks and the gun go off, so he knew
something was happening. So he can looked up to see
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what was going on, and he realized that, you know,
Vanderbilt had shocked Alabama, and he said, five minutes later,
the goal post went past his window. You know, just
when you see those says, they're just it's incredible, right,
just to see how a fan base can kind of
take up on something like that, right, it's just a
it's a great story.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
It's amazing, it's amazing. I mean, you know, I think,
you know, I think the SEC as a whole obviously
frown on the pitch invasions and the tearing down of
the and you know, I think I think that was
I think there was probably about I think was there
three or four of those in I think I think,
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you know, I think it happened like three or four
times over the season. And we and we get a
call from the SEC, and like, you know, we're really
trying to stop this, and we're really trying to pull
the we're really not trying not to be seen to
encourage this, but at the same time, we recognize that
there is a pretty cool moment to see. And so yeah,
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that was that was. There were interesting conversations around that stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah, the excuse me, the SEC. We've talked about some
of the places you've been, some of the passion that
follows those places you've been in amongst some of the
most passionate moments.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
For some of those fan.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Bases, the SEC is a great rivalry, and everyone thinks
their teams the best, everyone thinks they've got the most
passionate fan base. If you don't want to answer this
for fear of retribution, feel free not to. However, in
your opinion, based on everything that you experienced while filming
the show, what was the who has the most ardent
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fan base? And where is where is your favorite place
for visit? That's a really I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's without even trying to be you know, diplomatic about it,
I think it's a it's a that's an incredibly hard
question because I think that they're all so unique. You know,
they're just so at the same time, you know, you know,
similar but different, all with their own kind of video.
It's kind of elements, and I think it's I think
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what's good, what is genuinely great about the SEC is
that is that every you know, the season comes thick
and fast, like when you when when it starts, you're
suddenly like six seven games into it, and you're like,
where did that go? Like and and and every game
feels like an event and every game feels important and
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you know, and and I think it's because there are
so few games. So I honestly not because I don't
want to, but I don't think I could answer that question.
I think you know it. And again it goes back
to the it was all new to me. So everywhere
I go like, Wow, this is you know, this is amazing.
I mean, a night game at LSU is pretty hard
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to you know, it's hard to top. You know, it's
a pretty unique you know, time and the atmosphere. I think,
you know, the build up to Tech Texas A and
M at College Station was you know, the you know,
I mean we were you know, I was getting text
from you know, because everyone think whenever you make these shows,
(22:09):
everyone thinks that you have a hookup for tickets and
you know passes and all that kind of stuff, and
you don't. And so I was getting like, you know,
people were like trying to hit me up, like can
you get me a ticket for Texas Texas A and M.
And I'm like no, and and then like they're like
going online and the tickets are changing hands for crazy
amounts of money. So I think, you know, the build
(22:31):
up to that game, and that was amazing. As I
said that, you know, the egg Bowl, you know the
Mississippi State Old miss is you know is a I mean,
there's you know, there's real needle in that in that rivalry.
It was funny. I was like, I was watching I
was watching the Flicking through ESPN the other day and
(22:51):
bound like one of the SEC documentaries about like the
history of the SEC, and they started talking about the
Egg Bowl, and I was sort of like, damn, I
really should have want before we started making that show.
There was one game where they're like, before the game
had even started, there's a brawl going on between the players,
and yeah, it was crazy. So you know, let's say,
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I if we do season two, I may be able
to answer that when if I come back on the
show in twelve months time, I may be able to
answer that question having gone through it again. But it
was all too new for me, you know, to be
able to properly answer that question. I would say, let's
talk about impact it.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
George touched on Drive to Survive at the top of
the top of the show, and obviously that program has
been massively influential in getting Formula One into wider markets,
like the American market has been so hard historically for
Formula one to crack a market that's in the car
in Nascar is king there, but F one is so
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popular American now and hard. Part of that is from
drive to survive. On the flip side, you tooched on
coll not having a great culture in Europe. Really, you know,
it's getting there, but it's not great. Do you think
any given so that they can have that similar impact
on this side of the pond.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It's a really good question. And George and I talked
about it a little bit in kind of Atlanta. I mean,
I think I think it would definitely have a positive impact.
I mean, you know, dissecting the reasons that drives to survive,
you know, had the impact that it did. You know,
we we've talked about it internally, We've talked about it
with Formula wile we've talked about it with everybody. And
(24:33):
I think you know that that show in some ways
was kind of lightning in a bottle. It was like
the right show on the right sport at exactly the
right time, you know, And I think the pandemic helped,
you know, because there was a captive, there was a
lot of audience in one place that watched it all.
So it's all that. So you know, whether you'll see
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one of these shows have that level of impact again,
who knows, But you know, I saw that this show's
number nine in the Netflix Island chart, so I'm like, okay,
people have people have watched it overseas, and I think
I think it's great. I think, you know, I think
I don't think you know, you guys would know more,
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But I'm not sure that. I'm not sure that international
has has has been in the business plan for the
SEC in the same way it was for the NFL.
I don't. I don't know that, but I'm guessing it's
it's never been as important for as it was for
the NFL. And obviously the NFL spent a long time
and probably a lot of money and effort to get
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the NFL to to where it is. But but hopefully
this show can can just start to kind of pique
people's interest and go like, wow, Okay, I understand it
a little bit more, and I understand why I should
care about a university because I think that for me
was always the hard thing of like, why am I
going to support a university like that? Makes no sense
(25:59):
to me. I'll support Miami Dolphins, but why am I
going to support like a college team? But now I
understand it a little bit more. And and when you
understand that it's not just a bunch of you know,
athletes playing a little bit of sport on a Saturday
like it is in the UK. And I always you know,
I played soccer for my university's first team at university
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and eight people would come and watch us play if
we were lucky. And and so I think that people
are in that people have that mindset about it, and
so I think if this show can can just help
people understand the world a little bit more, I think
this show could be one where you may see that
impact if we get to a season four or five,
(26:46):
you know, I think that this I think this show
could be one where every year the international audience gets
bigger and bigger and bigger.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
For it, there's always a limited Bay tame Port. We
thank you for your for your team and your candidness
about it, but before you go, you opened us up
by seeing that we weren't familiar with college football you
have no spend, you know, the best ball full season
and the South? What are your thoughts about college football?
(27:14):
And and you're not based in the South, but will
we see at the Coliseum and Eli anytime soon? Watching
the watching the Trojans.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
So you know, I loved it. I mean I if
I wasn't at a game, I was sat on my sofa,
you know, watching three or four college games on a
on a Saturday, you know, which is you know, as
a sports fan, is amazing. And I think what I
love about it is like how many of those games
it's so wild. College football, like NFL is, you know,
(27:45):
is just complete sort of mark, like really really low
margin of era, whereas college football can be sometimes it
can be a bit like the Keystone Cops, like they're
chasing around the ball and it can suddenly, you know,
a team can be thirty points ahead, and if that's
in the NFL, you're like, okay, there's not a cat
and hell's chance of the other team coming back and
(28:08):
turning that over. In college sports, anything can happen, Like
a team can suddenly score thirty points in a you know,
in a quarter. And I think I saw grew to
love that of that element of like you know, when
seeing an underdog so far ahead of a big team
but then that big team just come back and pit
them at the end, or seeing that, you know, seeing
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that underdog kind of do it. And I think that's
what's great about it is that there genuinely isn't an
unpredictability about it that you don't necessarily get in the NFL.
I would say, in the same way every single weekend twice,
you know, sometimes twice in the same weekend. So yeah,
I loved it, and I loved just being able to
(28:50):
watch a game, you know, from minute one to the
end and genuinely not know how it's going to pan out.
And I think that was what that was what I
loved about it.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
We've been banging the drum on this side of the
point for well seven years in this podcast, but we've
been writing for longer than that. But so we're hoping
that this is the push that we're going to get
and that's all the time we've got for. We really
appreciate you coming on and speaking to this, Paul, before
you go, We normally at this point ask our guess
what they're up to, what they're going to be doing,
I guess the obvious question, is there going to be
(29:22):
a season two?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Is it with We're hopeful? I think, you know, it's
with all these shows. You know, there has to be
an appetite from from the fans, and there has to
be an appetite from the kind of the viewers. So
you know, I think if I think if that's there,
I think there's definitely an appetite from SEC and Netflix
and definitely asked to go again. So fingers crossed. I
(29:45):
think if people continue to watch it, I think that
will be a that will be a huge step towards
the season two.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I'll watch you on the watch you on the Fine
Bombs Show the other day, and the calls after that,
we're all very positive.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
So I think you're on.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You're onto a good a good start, and we we
appreciate your time, Paul, and thank you very much for
coming on and speaking to us. We hope to speak
to you again when season two comes out. That's all
we have time for on this episode. I really appreciate
Paul taking time out from his business schedules come and
speak to us. Thanks for all for his input, Thanks
for continue to support us. Stay safe and well and
catch you all next time.
I'm not going to comment on that. I'll get fine
for the rest of my life if I get comment
on that national championship.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
He's that young girls, everyone, and welcome to their College
Chaps podcast. On this episode, we're going to talk to
our guest about his new Netflix show SEC Football any
given Saturday. But first we are the Chaps, and given
his passionate love affair with the SEC World Horses, could
(00:42):
not stop Oliver from joining this episode. Olliver, how are you,
my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm doing very well.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Thank you, guys. I don't know when this is going out,
to be honest, but as we're recording it, just over
two weeks until the start of the college football season,
so I am very good, very excited. Had a very
enjoyable weekend buy it up for college football thanks to
the man where I will as to that.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Indeed, I've never had so much fun researching an episode.
Our guest is a multi award winning producer at Box
to Walks Films, who are responsible for some of the
biggest and most successful sporting documentaries you'll have watched predominantly
on Netflix in recent years. Drive to Survive, Full Swing,
Sprint six Nationals, Full Contact, Sena Marridon. I could go
(01:26):
on for some time. However, this week we have witnessed
the debut on Netflix of a new series covering SEC
football called Any Given Saturday, which documents the team's coaches
and players from the Southeastern Conference throughout the course of
the twenty twenty four to twenty five season. So we
are really super excited to welcome executive producer of Any
Given Saturday, Paul Martin. Paul, welcome, How are you good?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Good grit to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I imagine it's been a loss as Friday we're recording,
as it's been a long week for you with the
debut of the show, So I assume that you're doing
a lot of this type of stuff this week.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, I mean it's been great. I mean, you know,
I think we talked to him when we first met
Georgia of like, you know, coming from coming from the
UK and coming from Europe, the college football world is
you know, kind of goes over our head a little
bit for various reasons, and and you know, and and
me even as a huge sports fan and as an
(02:24):
NFL fan, I think I said to you, I'm a
long time, long suffering Miami Dolphins fan, but college football
just was never it never really resonated with me in
any way, and and so I think it's just, you know,
it's kind of crazy because the interest levels on it
(02:44):
are incredible and I've seen that this week. You know,
so many people want to talk to me about the show.
I've been getting so many texts from you know, I
mean a lot of people that went to Vandy seemed
to really like the show for recent reasons. So a
lot of Vandy alumni have been texted me and all
that stuff. So, yeah, it's phenomenal and you know, but
also no surprise, like once you know, once you get
(03:07):
to know the SEC, and once you get to know
college football, then you appreciate how big, you know, it
is as a league and how big these you know,
these individual kind of institutions are.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, so let's go back to the start then, Paul,
I'm a huge you know from meeting me in Atlanta,
I'm a very big sadicent conference fan. The sport is
larger than the SEC. There's many different conferences. How did
the opportunity with the SEC come about?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, I think it was. It's probably the perfect storm.
I just moved back to Los Angeles, so as a business.
We were looking at you know and talking to a
lot of the big US sports rights holders. We also
had a very good relationship with Netflix and a bunch
of the other platforms. And we were talking about college football.
(04:02):
And at that point I couldn't have told you the
difference between any of the conferences, honestly, you know that
I couldn't even name that there's Big Ten and all
that kind of stuff. So I didn't. So for me,
I thought all college sport was kind of created equal
and and you know, didn't know, you know, a USC
(04:23):
from a UCLA from a Tennessee or whatever. So you know,
we talked about I talked about college football in a
very general way of like, yeah, it would be called
to do something in college football. I didn't understand the
politics of the conferences. I didn't understand the history anything
like that. And then someone just said, listen, if you're
going to if you're going to talk to college football,
(04:44):
you've got to start with the SEC. You know, it's
it's you know, the biggest and the best and the
most passionate. And there's teams like Alabama and Georgia and
you know, and Florida and LSU and all that stuff. So,
you know, I think at the same time internally at
the SEC, I think someone there had watched Drive to
(05:04):
Survive had become aware of, you know, what that had
done for for that sport, or how it had been
additive to kind of that sport. So then when someone
made the introduction between Boxer Box and SEC, they were
receptive of like, yeah, sure, come down and you know,
we'll take a meet in and we'll hear you know,
(05:24):
what it's all about. And that was probably two years ago, honestly.
So we went down and we met Commissioner Sankey and
a few of his inner circle, and but it was
really starting from the ground up of like, right, this
is this is how we do stuff, and here's the
reasons why and and here's why I think it could
(05:45):
be additive to the SEC, because I think that's you know,
not to say that any of these shows are you know,
puff pieces or or you know, giant adverts for it,
but you know, they, you know, the SEC and the
schools have to feel like there's a reason to do it.
And we were lucky is that the Commissioner you know,
(06:08):
brought into it pretty quickly, you know, understood it and
understood that if this thing does well, why it could
be additive to kind of the SEC. But also, you know,
Commissioner saying was very you know, it's very honest with us.
He was like, look, I can till I'm blue in
the face, I can tell all the schools that I
think this is a good idea. And we as the SEC,
(06:30):
you know, are endorsing that we should do this. But
it's going to be an individual school by school basis.
And then what he's really saying at that point is
it's going to be an individual coach by coach basis,
because you know, they're the guys that are going to
make the final decision. You know, even the athletic directors
at the schools can be as supportive as they like.
(06:51):
And and that was the next way we went, and
we met all the kind of the athletic directors and
then it just came it came down to the coaches.
And so so probably maybe you know, a year or
you know, certainly six months after that initial meeting with
Commissioner Sankee, myself in a couple of execs from from
(07:12):
Netflix found ourselves in a room with all sixteen coaches
of the SEC, which probably was the scariest meeting I've
ever been in my life.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Obviously, you talked there all about how you had to
set almost sell this to the SEC and Commissioner sank
you as a good friend of the podcast has been
on actually before and sell how it added to them.
But as you've got into those negotiations with you know, coaches,
Commissioner sank, everyone around the SEC. What was it that
(07:45):
appeal to you guys about that conference that made you realize,
you know what, we could be on something awesome here.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah. I think it was just, you know, the what
I love about being a kind of an outsider in
that world is that everything is you know, you're like
a kid in a candy shop. You know, you go
down and I remember we went and we had I
think the meeting we had with the athletic director sort
of just culminated and being sat with somewhere in North
(08:12):
Carolina and just being sat around this kind of in
this big, you know, sort of bar area and everyone's
ordering these bourbon and just telling all these war stories
from all their different schools and the different rivalries, and
it was great. It what made you realize that, you know,
the tradition you know as everyone's like, well, America has
(08:33):
no history and blah blah blah blah, and you know,
but the traditions at these schools and the traditions around
these rivalries, you know, the egg bowl, I had no
idea about, you know how fierce that rivalry is, you know,
around around the egg ball. And so you know, it
was just that and you're sat there as a producer
and you sort of the deals, deals with anyone are
(08:54):
always incredibly difficult to get over the line, and you know,
and try not to get into the nitty gritty of
that stuff. But if just as purely as a producer,
I'm sat there and I'm listening to them, and I'm
listening to the characters, and I'm hearing the accents, and
you know, they're all, you know, incredibly amazing storytellers and
just you know, sitting there so excited about what that
(09:19):
show could could be because you know it's you know,
you always look for is there, narrative? Is there? Is there?
You know, is there larger than live characters? Are there? Stakes?
Are their egos? Are there? You know, they're real, real
big rivalries, and it was all there in abundance in
the sec so I remember coming away from that meeting
with the athletic directors, you know, that was the moment
(09:41):
I was really really pumped about what this could be.
And then from there we went and you know, went
to a few of the campuses as well to see
it and then that it becomes another level.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
The first school I think we went to was LSU
and you see Tiger Stadium for the first time. You know,
You're just like, where am I now? This is I'm
in the middle of Baton Rouge and there's this, you know,
one hundred and ten thousand seat a stadium and there's
a tiger in a cage. You know that they whell
owed onto the you know, onto the pitch. So yeah,
(10:16):
it was you know, just every level it just got
better and better and more compelling, which you know, sometimes
they don't. Sometimes it works in reverse. Sometimes you think
a world is going to be so full of this
stuff and as you get into it, you're like, my god,
we're going to struggle here.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
But the reverse was true, you know. In the sec Yeah,
you touched on some of the storylines that came through.
Easy had those descripsions in and it is a show
that focuses very much on relationships, individual storylines, individual personalities,
but run through the veins of the sec as you
(10:53):
went into that was was that a conscious decision that
you wanted to get some of those storylines across or
was it more of a natural progression just because of
the characters that were involved in the game from and
then as you were filming.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, I think it's. I think it's the way we
tell stories at Box the Box honestly is that we
are always folk like, even though they're team sports, some
of them that we work in, it's like you need
those individual stories to carry, you know, and if you
can find those individual stories that resonate the bigger story.
(11:27):
And I think episode one of this show was a
great place for us to start. You know, you meet
Brian Kelly, firebrand legendary college coach at one of the
biggest programs in the you know, in the country with
huge expectations of national titles and and all that stuff.
And then on the flip side of it, you meet
coach Beamer at South Carolina not you know, not historically
(11:50):
a story program, but the son of a legendary college
coaching kind of Frank Beamer and his stakes are sure
he wants to turn in South Carolina into something bigger
than they are, but he also wants to step out
of the legacy of his dad in the most respectful way.
You know, he wants to do it his own way.
He wants to be seen as Shane Bemo And we
(12:12):
were like, that's just that works on so many levels.
You know that you can really explore or set up
a lot of the bigger themes of the sec through
the lens of those two individuals. And and that's the
way that we really like to work at Box to
box is like, you know, if we can find individual
(12:33):
stories that speak to some of the bigger stories, then
you're then you're in a great place. You know. When
these shows work on three or four levels, that's you know,
that's the ideal place to be.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I'm kidious, Paul. When as someone like you from looking
at the say, from the looking in, when you sit
down and you talk to people athletic directors on the
lake and they tell your the war stories and stuff
like that, you've got kind of preconception of what had
been late. But once you get down there, once you
get down into Baton rouge or you know, Alabama or Tennessee.
(13:11):
What was it like for you and what was it
What was the biggest surprise that you got when you
when you got down into seeing it for the first thing.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I think it's I mean, I'd never spent a lot
of time in that part of the world, and I
think that you know, certainly for someone from kind of
the UK, but even you know, within the US, I
think that that part of the part of America comes
with a lot of you know, a lot of connotations
and a lot of people's expectations of what that's going
(13:41):
to be. You know, what that part is going to
be like. You know, I'd be like, hey, I'm going
to you know, I'm going to Alabama next week. Were like,
are you going to Alabama? For? What's that going to
be like? And and you know, and I think that
actually that was another lay of it as we got
into it and we spent time in the in the communities,
you know, it's just the most hospitable people, you know, really,
(14:02):
you know, super respectful and super go out of their
way and super curious of like, hey, you know, what's
what's a boy like you in an accent like that, dude,
like do it here? You know, you know, it got
you know, got three cups of coffee and diners and
you know, all that kind of stuff. And but what
but what you realized is, you know, I remember, you know,
(14:23):
I remember being in Birmingham, Alabama, and then we went
out to this someone told us to go to this
this amazing kind of barbecue spot, which was you know,
probably like a forty minute drive from kind of Birmingham,
and it was this even small, like tiny, tiny town
and we walked in and just the whole place was
(14:44):
just you know Alabama, you know, posters and pictures and
helmets and legacy and blah blah blah and every you know,
the people behind the you know, the counter had Alabama
shirts on and looked at that, and you you know,
it sort of just makes you realize how in hoortant
it is to those communities, is what they It's what
they hang on every kind of weekend, and and you know,
(15:07):
and so when we got into making the show, we
wanted to make that part. We wanted to try and
take people almost on the same journey that I'd been
on of just seeing the passion and you know, and
what it means to them, what what these Saturdays really
mean that if you're in a if you're in one
of these communities, in a you know, a small town,
(15:29):
you know in the South, what happens on a Saturday
becomes your everything, and your your head coach and your
quarterback you know, are up on your wall and you know,
and you're so defined by how your team does on
that Saturday, and it's you know, it's amazing, you know,
it's it's amazing that these schools can have that impact
(15:50):
on on these communities.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
As you said earlier, it's it's a concept which is
alien to us, right, we don't have that or kind
of because we run so much on pro football sports.
So to get down there and to see the community
aspect of it, and it's not just then Tuscal, it's
you know, it spends all over the all of the
safe without giving too much away for those who haven't
(16:14):
seen the full CDs hit, what what were some of
your highlights? What were some of your favorite moments from
from filming?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I think, you know, I mean, you know, Bandy and
in their upset of kind of Alabama and to be
there for that and then to be there in the
way that we were and like you know, I've said
quite a few times like we certainly didn't go there
with any you know, belief that you know, Vandy were
going to upset kind of Alabama in the way that
(16:44):
they did. So that was amazing. I mean that, you know,
the aftermath of that game of you know, when the
when the final whistle or whatever it is always get
the terminology is wrong, whatever it signals the end of
the gay who or whatever it is is sounded, and
my phone was just blowing up with people with like,
(17:05):
oh my god, are you there, are you there? Blah
blah blah, Vandy blah blah. And you were like, okay,
if you know, if if we get into the edit
and we cannot make this episode work, then all of
us need to go and find other jobs. Like it's
just perfect, you know. And so so that was that
was a great moment. You know, I think, you know,
(17:25):
I think some of the stuff with you know, not
not a joys moment, but but the fact that you
know Greg Mertz and what happens to him, and to
be there and for him to feel comfortable enough to
let us into some of the the areas that that
he let us in with his parents in incredibly emotional scenes.
(17:47):
You know, that's a sign that you're doing something right.
So you know that that was great as well. So
you know, it's all that stuff. You know. I think
I honestly had a great time making the show. And
I say because I was partly a kid in the
candy shop who was experiencing all this stuff for the
first time. And it's so wild, you know, it's it's
it's such a wild world. So yeah, you know, I
(18:13):
loved every moment of it. You know, they're always hard
when you get into the edit, you know, these shows,
to really elevate them to where you want them to be.
That's the toughest part. But even then, you know, I
always felt like we had something really really special.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
One of the we had, one of our guests was on.
He was a Nashville and he came on to speak
to us the week after the Vanderbilt Alabama game and
he told us the story about he's a radio guy,
so he was actually doing some radio from his place
and he wasn't following the game, but he could hear
the fireworks and the gun go off, so he knew
something was happening. So he can looked up to see
(18:51):
what was going on, and he realized that, you know,
Vanderbilt had shocked Alabama, and he said, five minutes later,
the goal post went past his window. You know, just
when you see those says, they're just it's incredible, right,
just to see how a fan base can kind of
take up on something like that, right, it's just a
it's a great story.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
It's amazing, it's amazing. I mean, you know, I think,
you know, I think the SEC as a whole obviously
frown on the pitch invasions and the tearing down of
the and you know, I think I think that was
I think there was probably about I think was there
three or four of those in I think I think,
(19:35):
you know, I think it happened like three or four
times over the season. And we and we get a
call from the SEC, and like, you know, we're really
trying to stop this, and we're really trying to pull
the we're really not trying not to be seen to
encourage this, but at the same time, we recognize that
there is a pretty cool moment to see. And so yeah,
(19:56):
that was that was. There were interesting conversations around that stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah, the excuse me, the SEC. We've talked about some
of the places you've been, some of the passion that
follows those places you've been in amongst some of the
most passionate moments.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
For some of those fan.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Bases, the SEC is a great rivalry, and everyone thinks
their teams the best, everyone thinks they've got the most
passionate fan base. If you don't want to answer this
for fear of retribution, feel free not to. However, in
your opinion, based on everything that you experienced while filming
the show, what was the who has the most ardent
(20:36):
fan base? And where is where is your favorite place
for visit? That's a really I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's without even trying to be you know, diplomatic about it,
I think it's a it's a that's an incredibly hard
question because I think that they're all so unique. You know,
they're just so at the same time, you know, you know,
similar but different, all with their own kind of video.
It's kind of elements, and I think it's I think
(21:04):
what's good, what is genuinely great about the SEC is
that is that every you know, the season comes thick
and fast, like when you when when it starts, you're
suddenly like six seven games into it, and you're like,
where did that go? Like and and and every game
feels like an event and every game feels important and
(21:26):
you know, and and I think it's because there are
so few games. So I honestly not because I don't
want to, but I don't think I could answer that question.
I think you know it. And again it goes back
to the it was all new to me. So everywhere
I go like, Wow, this is you know, this is amazing.
I mean, a night game at LSU is pretty hard
(21:49):
to you know, it's hard to top. You know, it's
a pretty unique you know, time and the atmosphere. I think,
you know, the build up to Tech Texas A and
M at College Station was you know, the you know,
I mean we were you know, I was getting text
from you know, because everyone think whenever you make these shows,
(22:09):
everyone thinks that you have a hookup for tickets and
you know passes and all that kind of stuff, and
you don't. And so I was getting like, you know,
people were like trying to hit me up, like can
you get me a ticket for Texas Texas A and M.
And I'm like no, and and then like they're like
going online and the tickets are changing hands for crazy
amounts of money. So I think, you know, the build
(22:31):
up to that game, and that was amazing. As I
said that, you know, the egg Bowl, you know the
Mississippi State Old miss is you know is a I mean,
there's you know, there's real needle in that in that rivalry.
It was funny. I was like, I was watching I
was watching the Flicking through ESPN the other day and
(22:51):
bound like one of the SEC documentaries about like the
history of the SEC, and they started talking about the
Egg Bowl, and I was sort of like, damn, I
really should have want before we started making that show.
There was one game where they're like, before the game
had even started, there's a brawl going on between the players,
and yeah, it was crazy. So you know, let's say,
(23:12):
I if we do season two, I may be able
to answer that when if I come back on the
show in twelve months time, I may be able to
answer that question having gone through it again. But it
was all too new for me, you know, to be
able to properly answer that question. I would say, let's
talk about impact it.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
George touched on Drive to Survive at the top of
the top of the show, and obviously that program has
been massively influential in getting Formula One into wider markets,
like the American market has been so hard historically for
Formula one to crack a market that's in the car
in Nascar is king there, but F one is so
(23:53):
popular American now and hard. Part of that is from
drive to survive. On the flip side, you tooched on
coll not having a great culture in Europe. Really, you know,
it's getting there, but it's not great. Do you think
any given so that they can have that similar impact
on this side of the pond.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It's a really good question. And George and I talked
about it a little bit in kind of Atlanta. I mean,
I think I think it would definitely have a positive impact.
I mean, you know, dissecting the reasons that drives to survive,
you know, had the impact that it did. You know,
we we've talked about it internally, We've talked about it
with Formula wile we've talked about it with everybody. And
(24:33):
I think you know that that show in some ways
was kind of lightning in a bottle. It was like
the right show on the right sport at exactly the
right time, you know, And I think the pandemic helped,
you know, because there was a captive, there was a
lot of audience in one place that watched it all.
So it's all that. So you know, whether you'll see
(24:54):
one of these shows have that level of impact again,
who knows, But you know, I saw that this show's
number nine in the Netflix Island chart, so I'm like, okay,
people have people have watched it overseas, and I think
I think it's great. I think, you know, I think
I don't think you know, you guys would know more,
(25:16):
But I'm not sure that. I'm not sure that international
has has has been in the business plan for the
SEC in the same way it was for the NFL.
I don't. I don't know that, but I'm guessing it's
it's never been as important for as it was for
the NFL. And obviously the NFL spent a long time
and probably a lot of money and effort to get
(25:38):
the NFL to to where it is. But but hopefully
this show can can just start to kind of pique
people's interest and go like, wow, Okay, I understand it
a little bit more, and I understand why I should
care about a university because I think that for me
was always the hard thing of like, why am I
going to support a university like that? Makes no sense
(25:59):
to me. I'll support Miami Dolphins, but why am I
going to support like a college team? But now I
understand it a little bit more. And and when you
understand that it's not just a bunch of you know,
athletes playing a little bit of sport on a Saturday
like it is in the UK. And I always you know,
I played soccer for my university's first team at university
(26:22):
and eight people would come and watch us play if
we were lucky. And and so I think that people
are in that people have that mindset about it, and
so I think if this show can can just help
people understand the world a little bit more, I think
this show could be one where you may see that
impact if we get to a season four or five,
(26:46):
you know, I think that this I think this show
could be one where every year the international audience gets
bigger and bigger and bigger.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
For it, there's always a limited Bay tame Port. We
thank you for your for your team and your candidness
about it, but before you go, you opened us up
by seeing that we weren't familiar with college football you
have no spend, you know, the best ball full season
and the South? What are your thoughts about college football?
(27:14):
And and you're not based in the South, but will
we see at the Coliseum and Eli anytime soon? Watching
the watching the Trojans.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
So you know, I loved it. I mean I if
I wasn't at a game, I was sat on my sofa,
you know, watching three or four college games on a
on a Saturday, you know, which is you know, as
a sports fan, is amazing. And I think what I
love about it is like how many of those games
it's so wild. College football, like NFL is, you know,
(27:45):
is just complete sort of mark, like really really low
margin of era, whereas college football can be sometimes it
can be a bit like the Keystone Cops, like they're
chasing around the ball and it can suddenly, you know,
a team can be thirty points ahead, and if that's
in the NFL, you're like, okay, there's not a cat
and hell's chance of the other team coming back and
(28:08):
turning that over. In college sports, anything can happen, Like
a team can suddenly score thirty points in a you know,
in a quarter. And I think I saw grew to
love that of that element of like you know, when
seeing an underdog so far ahead of a big team
but then that big team just come back and pit
them at the end, or seeing that, you know, seeing
(28:30):
that underdog kind of do it. And I think that's
what's great about it is that there genuinely isn't an
unpredictability about it that you don't necessarily get in the NFL.
I would say, in the same way every single weekend twice,
you know, sometimes twice in the same weekend. So yeah,
I loved it, and I loved just being able to
(28:50):
watch a game, you know, from minute one to the
end and genuinely not know how it's going to pan out.
And I think that was what that was what I
loved about it.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
We've been banging the drum on this side of the
point for well seven years in this podcast, but we've
been writing for longer than that. But so we're hoping
that this is the push that we're going to get
and that's all the time we've got for. We really
appreciate you coming on and speaking to this, Paul, before
you go, We normally at this point ask our guess
what they're up to, what they're going to be doing,
I guess the obvious question, is there going to be
(29:22):
a season two?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Is it with We're hopeful? I think, you know, it's
with all these shows. You know, there has to be
an appetite from from the fans, and there has to
be an appetite from the kind of the viewers. So
you know, I think if I think if that's there,
I think there's definitely an appetite from SEC and Netflix
and definitely asked to go again. So fingers crossed. I
(29:45):
think if people continue to watch it, I think that
will be a that will be a huge step towards
the season two.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I'll watch you on the watch you on the Fine
Bombs Show the other day, and the calls after that,
we're all very positive.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
So I think you're on.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You're onto a good a good start, and we we
appreciate your time, Paul, and thank you very much for
coming on and speaking to us. We hope to speak
to you again when season two comes out. That's all
we have time for on this episode. I really appreciate
Paul taking time out from his business schedules come and
speak to us. Thanks for all for his input, Thanks
for continue to support us. Stay safe and well and
catch you all next time.
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