The Culture Shift w/ Brad and Ordy: Actors Out, Tilly In, Checkmate

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l r N Land. This is your early introduction to
the weekend. This is the culture shift. How is everybody doing?
On Brad Slagger? Getting ready to usher you through another
week of vital entertainment information, but not doing it alone?
Joining me as always every fortnight on this venture is
America's most laser focused and digitized Amish individual. Orty Packard,

(01:23):
what's going on today?

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh? You know, just celebrating the start of my fifty
fourth trip around the Sun and I'm stuffed with sushi.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well done, lad, Yes it is Ordy's birthday today, so
yes it is. We're very very grateful that he did
not take the show off. I am very shocked that
you did not.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I am a professional at what I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I got to get started on that soon. Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
How you doing? How's everything out in America's Wang Now?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
We're doing good. Water logged because it just will not
stop raining here for about three weeks solid. But otherwise
we're doing well, having fun with all the mayhem on
the national scene, and surprisingly, if you step outside and
engage in day to day activities, you come to find
out that the panic about a government shutdown is exactly

(02:21):
that panic without reality.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yes, you know what has changed in my life? Nothing?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, I would say my Twitter feed that's about the
extent of it.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, I take that back. I did have to put
the plow onto the buggy to scrape all the dead
bodies out of the way from everyone who's died from
government shutdown. I haven't seen mass fatalities like this since
net neutrality.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, we go to the beach and you got to
put a cow catcher now on the dune buggy just
to clear out all the bodies so you can get
to the water. But otherwise it's yeah, nothing to notice.
It's hilarious to panic that goes on about this and.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
You just want people to die, you know what kind
of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, the thing is, you know, we always talk about
how there has just been this shift and mentality in
this country since last summer and it's it's just been
so damn abusing to watch people freak out, panic, deliver,
doom and gloom. Do you know that this is going
to happen? That government's cloned? All these people are going
to lose jobs, there will be nothing to do. And

(03:32):
we sit back in just a plot and we're like, yeah,
is there a downside?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah? Everything you just describe sounds like it should come
with balloons.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I think it was Monday. Some group was out picketing
threatening that one hundred thousand people will quit their jobs
Tuesday if the government shuts down, and we're like, right,
I think I do have a bottle of champagne in
the fridge for this. This is going to be perfectly fine.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
And that's they Oh, you know, so many one hundred
thousand people are set to resign, you know, and what
they don't tell you is these are the same people
who were given the you can quit with benefits and
get significant unemployment, you know, for downsizing the government back
when Trump started. You know, this is that date. Now,

(04:23):
this is the six months. You know, if you didn't
take it by this week, then you were probably gonna
get fired and have nothing.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Right then, the Democrats you're not going to get it all,
so you get nothing, and I just, you know, I
have to crack up at this desperation to say, you know,
the Republicans shut this down. There's like two that voted
against the cr So I'm just at a loss as

(04:52):
to how you come up with this narrative. Yeah, it's
their fault that it's I'm not sure how that works.
Oh wait, it doesn't, right, Yeah, but this has been
the amusement. This has been our entertainment, because I don't know,
entertainment's kind of a flagging of late. There's not a

(05:14):
whole lot going on. I guess twist our arm. We're
going to have to address the Jimmy Kimmel flap, because
that was a thing that nobody would stop talking. I
happen to draw some real amusement from this. I think
it was last Monday, Brian Stelter puts out a bold announcement,

(05:40):
Jimmy Kimmel is more popular today than he was a
week ago. So wait, you're telling me that after twenty
four to seven coverage in the media, Jimmy Kimmel has
experienced more notoriety As a result.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Is Q rating when up slightly because of all the
press you gave him.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
You haven't shut up about him, So now more people
know about him, how about him? And then of course
he comes back on Tuesday night, ABC takes down the
suspension that he was handed and it was always a suspension.
They never said he was canceled, taking off the air
or anything.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
It was just yeah, it's just kind of like, take
a couple of days to think about what you've done.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, because what happened behind the scenes, he basically got
addressed by the executives are like, hey, this Charlie kirkstuff.
You gott to tone it down. He's like, no, I'm doubling,
tripling down. I'm coming out with this and like, you
know what, let's just when do you go sitting time
out for a while. Well, this became, of course, censorship,
and Donald Trump is silencing him. But it's been rather

(06:48):
amazing how many people have been squealing about censorship and
won't shut up about it.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Right, Yeah, if you're actually censored, that means I mean,
ask anybody who had a mildly lighting right meaning opinion
on Twitter during the days of Jack Dorsey. Ask anybody
who lost their YouTube channel for accurately reporting COVID. During COVID,

(07:18):
you know, I mean, these are all things will be
touched on. But still it's uh yeah, so that's not
censorship that is being put into the timeout corner.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I think one of my favorite was Billy Eichner, of
all people, wrote an editorial at Rolling Stone about the
dangers and horrors of censorship in this country. It's like, dude,
you're I know your name, okay, against my right. So
that's you've got notoriety already, and then you go to

(07:52):
a media outlet that gives you a platform to belly
ache about something that's like the polar opposite. It up
being silenced and censored. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, well, I'm sorry you don't get the platform that
you want. So, oh, it's a First Amendment issue. So
does that mean that we're all entitled to one hundred
million dollars late night talk show since it's, you know,
a First Amendment thing that applies to everybody, right.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, that's you know, And they always had this frame
Donald Trump was silencing a comedian because he couldn't handle
the criticism. Kimble has been never listening on Trump for
ten years, solid right, and not even lightly like oh Man,
can you believe this guy? No, he was like making
fun of his junk and insulting his family and everything else.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
I get some listeners on my feed. Nobody else join
it unless you're gonna give up to four twenty. Sorry,
look at you, Happy birthday. But that's been the amaz
is that, you know, people can't apply common sense in
their hysteria and somehow. Now for over a week, he's

(09:07):
been going around talking about censorship. Not just on his show,
He's been on Colbert and others. It's like, with somebody
else being censored, you sure don't know how to shut up. Yeah,
I'm sure I'm seeing your mug everywhere for somebody who
is being censored.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
So he came back. He had this majestic return last Tuesday,
picked up something like six million viewers on television, twenty
million on YouTube I think was the number.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, yeah, he had a sixth share on TV even
without Sinclair and uh next scuse. I don't think they
came back until the day after.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
But this is where it gets interesting. So the media
was just clamoring about this, his his huge comeback. He's
defeated Trump. Trump wily made him more popular. This is
how you defeat censorship. Two days later, Thursday, he completely
crashed seventy percent drop.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
And too more than he had before that all happened.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
And making that more amazing and start is that was
when Sinclair Next Star came back and put his show
on the air.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, they picked up another thirty percent of affiliates and
still barely got a one point three.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
You don't hear anybody in the media talking about his
numbers today. That tells you everything, because the guy had
zero retention.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, you don't hear anybody talking about him period, not
his show, not his anything.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
That's like Gretta with her little flotilla. The first one
was all over the news by this time, it's just like,
how are we doing this again?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Fuck? Yeah that was I happen to love that too,
where she puts out a cell phone video about how
she's been taken captive by the Israelis. So let me
just understand, you're taking captive, but they didn't take your phone.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Away, right, yes, because all kidnappers and captors just I mean,
you know, if only there were cell phones around when uh,
the Israeli Olympic team, you know, back in Munich, you know,
back back then that would have been that would have
been some riveting fucking tiktoks.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, we're not getting kosher meals up here in the
hotel room. Yeah, but it's uh, it's the same kind
of thing though, where she's you know, claiming to be
silence and yet somehow I'm seeing and hearing you. How
does that work everywhere? Yeah? So yeah, kim return.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Going back to all this, I'm guessing that since Kimmel
being removed for a couple of days was the First
Amendment issue, I guess Disney's violating my First Amendment rights
by not giving me a hundred million dollar a year show.
I'm assume could be could very well, I represent myself

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because I'm a lawyer and I can do that.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, here's how you can dispel all of this media
coverage about censorship and how it's complete and utter crap.
And they're they're wailing about a president supposedly silencing somebody.
They they were talking about all of this incessantly. I
even saw Jake Tapper go on Seth Meyers Show. Yeah,

(12:44):
I think it was a Monday night and he was
you know, my entire career, I've never seen a president
act in such an outward fashion, and within hours the
news came out from a House Intel Committee that Google
had admitted for years the Biden administration was telling them

(13:04):
what accounts to d platform on YouTube. Yeah, neary a
word about this in the press, Nope, And yeah, because
thousands of accounts.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, I mean seriously, I mean my I remember my
creator list at the time. I mean, from the start
of COVID to the end of COVID just was slashed
in half. I didn't un follow them, they just disappeared
one by one like Domino's and uh.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
They even said in some of those congressional documents that
they were silencing people because of COVID, they were silencing
conservative accounts. And these were all at the behest of
the Biden administration. So you had a president telling them
to silence citizens. Yeah, that's a sendiment. No, I didn't care.

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At the same time that they're squealing about Sen's their
sh That's the amazing part.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
That's why, just like hate crimes are so prolific, they
got to be faked of the time.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, exactly. We're the starving kids in Gaza. Yeah, I'm
told there's thousands of them, but there's only one photograph
shared by every news book.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, the only the only thing. They generate a photograph
as one as somebody who has like a dozen other comorbidities,
and uh.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, they're you know, somehow the child is starving, but
the one hundred and eighty pound mother and two hundred
pound brother are doing just fine. In the same shot.
Three hundred pound dad might want to zoom in a
little bit if you want to sell the story. I'm
just telling you guys here right, But this, this showed
you exactly what the sham is because it wasn't limited

(14:53):
to YouTube, because we know from the Twitter files Biden
was doing this on Twitter shutting accounts. You are notably
familiar with that aspect.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Oh yeah, no, less for those of you who are
new to following me in since twenty fourteen, I have
had no less than twenty accounts.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Is it that many? Damn? Yes? Wow? Yeah, that's significant. Also,
they during the Biden years embedded FBI individuals in the
executive suite at Twitter so that they had a direct
pipeline as far as what narratives they needed to shut

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down in real time and things of that nature.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
And gotending.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
But to stop for that, there was a judge that
actually mandated the Biden White House stopped communicating with social
media because they were violating First Amendment rights and never
heard a thing about the press complaining about this. Jimmy Kimmel, though,
becomes the murder of the First Amendment. And while he's

(16:02):
on the air, I don't.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, okay, So first Colbert and then Kimmel, and between
the two of them barely pulling what Fallon pulls in
milk toast bland Fallon.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, the uh, the numbers generally go about I don't
know what I want to say, two point four mil
for Colbert, excuse, Kimmel was doing about one to eight
or so. I think in August he was down to
one point one before all this controversy. Uh, Fallon is
about a one point three to one point one, and
Greg Guttfeld, who they never want to mention, is consistently

(16:43):
over three million. Just the reality that they don't want
to address.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
No, Maine. I want to include cable numbers when it
suits the narrative, like when they want to talk about
the Daily Show or last week tonight.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
You know, well, the Daily Show is even further behind
than these folks. And this is the thing is, we're
not even dealing with reality anymore. It's all emotion. It's
all hysteria, and we're made to gin up all this

(17:19):
excitement and people are like, yeah, but it's Jimmy Kimmel.
And I think that first day back people were tuning
in just to either see what the hysteria is all about.
I'm sure a lot of conservatives were like, let's see
what this jack assn't gonna say. And literally, by the
second day back, people were forgot that they were supposed

(17:39):
to listen to him that quickly. And the same thing
with Colbert after his cancelation quote unquote, because he's still
on the air and will be until next spring. He
had a big jump in the ratings too, I think
he was getting over three million for a while. Well
he's come right back down to his usual as well.
So there's no there's no foundation in any of this. No,

(18:04):
they get that initial hype and people are like, oh,
I got to see what this is all about. Wait,
that's all it was about, and then they walk away.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Well, and that's just just it is just that, I mean,
the thing that that you know, the left can't figure out,
and they just keep feeding quarters into the dick punching
machine on it is that their shame tactics don't work anymore,
you know, the right and Trump has very little to
do with any of it. And except for like you know,

(18:32):
posting memes with you know, Hakeem Jefferies in a sombrero
and which is just fantastic. And while they're all trying
to crawl racist and everything about it, it's just like, okay,
fuck it. Every day, we're going to add another somburrow.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah. Actually I had to crack up because I saw
Caitlin Collins actually said like she was amazed that Donald
Trump is still putting these out after being ashamed about it.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yes, yes, it's interesting how the people who have no
shame or ineffectual as shaming those who used to.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, this, this should actually register a little bit in
your mind there, cap like wait, you're you're trying to
label him a racist and it's not having an effect.
Can we ponder that further?

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Hmmm's like, yeah, what go further down the road to
the stop sign on that one? If you can get.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Your usual tactic of calling someone racist isn't working.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Let's which on social media, we've been telling him that
for years is Look, you've called me a fascist or
racist and you know, not seeing everything else for the
last ten years, calling you know, like during the Charlie
Kirk thing when people were you know, when the left
was figuring out what council culture really was, like sorry,
accountability culture, and like you know, you've called me ever

(19:49):
the worst name possible for the last decade. You think
calling me a hypocrite is going to move the needle.
You've run out of word, You've used them all.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
So conservatives aren't supposed to be against cancel.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Culture, were racist. It's over. You will stop.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Seems to me like you made this a new standard
ergo holding you accountable. Yes, we didn't want that to happen. Yeah,
t s sister. Yeah, I just had to crack up
when I saw that. Man. We've been dreaming Donald Trump
and he's still putting some prayer roads out there.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
And I figured it out. I figured out when she
when she has her wants to smile but can't smile. Look,
you know, when she's got kind of it's starting as
a smile, but then the corners of her mouth are
still turned down. She looks like a guy FOWX mask.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, I always enjoyed the segments when she has one
of those gotcha questions. She's sures and nail somebody and
she asked a question and she's just got that look
on her face like, oh, got him here it comes,
he's gonna with her. And then whether it's Mike Johnson
or other Republican they they come back with facts. I
wasn't expecting to do that, and then the entire thing

(21:16):
falls apart. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, with the entire news division and resources of NBC
could fact check a question before asking it.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, figure that out. But it's it's just part for
the course of what we're.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Talking about that they wikipedia.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
They're just married to a narrative instead of facts. They
can't they can't deviate when actual facts arrived. It's so bizarre. Well,
not that we intend to be political on this show,
but there's been over the years watching the crossing of
the streams about how you know, it used to be

(21:59):
Pouls was downstream of culture, and now they're just constantly
crossing over each other. Yes, Donald Trump has come out
to announce that he wants to impose tariffs on movies
produced outside of the country. Yeah, tariffs, damn.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Which I mean Yeah, that's there's a lot of questions
in this, like I mean, because it's not like a
movie is entirely crafted in one country anymore, as like,
you know, it may be filmed in New Mexico and
then sent off to the UK for post production and
sent up to you know, Canada for VFX and you know,

(22:44):
and then reshoots you know, take place in Czechoslovakia for
some reason because that's where one of the actors happens
to be working, so they got to get an adjacent
sound set to do it.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
So it's like, so which country gets slapped with the
tariffs on that or which you know, how did the
tariff supply if some of it was made in America
but not all of it? But you know, and looking
into this for this topic tonight, I didn't realize how
I mean, I instinctally I knew, but it didn't really
quite hit me on how bad that's kinna fuck Canada?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Right, that's first off, this is all just proposed right now,
nothing yet.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, this is this is a truth social post which
sometimes becomes true and sometimes it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Trial balloon is really what this is? My question is
this though, what are you basing the tariffs, not I'm
assuming the budget, the shooting budget. I mean, where do
you get a number from because generally on products, you know,
when they come across as you know, a set ring
based on cost of production, that kind of thing. So

(23:53):
a movie I am assuming would have to be shooting budget.
But again, like you said, you might you know, you
might shoot in Bulgaria, but do your special effects elsewhere?
How do you modulate the spence in what country or another?
And this is always.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
And then is that gonna go part of the uh
you know, the advertising budget too, because generally that's all
domestics spend or you know, so lots of questions on that,
but they but it was I think I think the
whole point of it was a backhanded shot across the
bow at Newsom.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
You think, so why.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Because Newsom has been dragging his feet on doing anything
to get Hollywood to actually come back to Hollywood and
that's why all these shoots are and you know he
kind of he mentioned Newsom in the post. So, but
I mean generally, because we talked about how they're pulling

(25:01):
out of Georgia. We talked about that like two weeks ago,
a month ago. Yeah, and uh you know, New Mexico
keeps trying to start up and then gets shut down.
And yeah, there's a lot of like domestic sound stages
and back lots and you know, film commissions that could

(25:23):
really benefit from this. You know if we now you know,
if we domesticated uh film production again.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, because that is the underlying purpose of this, allegedly,
is to draw Hollywood productions back to the US. And yeah,
like we were talking about Georgia where you know, they
built these massive Pinewood Studios sound stages out there for
Marvel films and now they're going empty and walking away
from them. That so if they're going to do that

(25:55):
in Britain, might compel them to come back and shoot
in Georgia. Yeah, possibly. You know, this is all speculative,
of course. But what makes this so difficult is that
what we talk about all the time, Hollywood economics never
made sense, and so applying standard economic forces on them

(26:18):
it is almost folly because what the hell, how are
you going to do that? And California for decades has
watched production flight taking place, I mean, Canada has long
been the case. Georgia has built up over the last
couple of decades in New Orleans and elsewhere. Yeah, and
it has become a huge problem that the amount of

(26:40):
shooting days. There's actually an outfit that tabulates how much
production work takes place in LA and that's been going
down significantly for a long time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
We talked about that back in I think it was
like April or May. We saw a report we were
talking about where the the number of shoots in California
plummeted by over sixty percent year to year, and it
was like lower than it was during COVID.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
One of my favorite examples all time the movie San Andreas,
you know, the action thriller with the rock For those
who don't know, San Andreas is located in California.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yes, if you haven't heard, there's an earthquake fault that
runs along the western half of the state.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
The title of the movie basically is California. This was
a five or six month shoot, of which two weeks
were spent in.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
California right probably on b Roll.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
It was exterior shots. Basically. The rest of it was
in digital studio and to Australia, to the extent that
there was a scene where they crashed a helicopter into
a sporting goods store that doesn't even exist in the
United States, right, it was an Australian chain of sports stores.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, it was like Australia Big Five.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
This is how ludicrous it's become. And if you know,
if this is the purpose, sure, but I'm I'm trying
to think of where his real focus is at. It's
either on the film industry or maybe putting the screws
to Canada could.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Be that it's a multi pronged attack, because yeah, it's
definitely gonna nobody is gonna get hurt worse by this
than Canada. I mean, we talk about it all the time,
how everything from sci Fi to Hallmark is filmed in Canada.
Huge production. You need something russ spelt, you go to uh,
you know, Saskatchewan. You need something that looks like New
York or LA. You go to Vancouver or Ontario, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
That's yeah New York City.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Friend of mine and I used to play a game,
you know, we we'd watch TV shows and you know,
spot if it's USA or Canada, and you can always
nail it because like you know, they'd show the US
Capitol building and they'd be driving down the street and
the speed limit would be fifty. Well, you know that's
Canada because that's kilometers not miles per hour.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Or there's a chase scene and you see a new
paper box for the Toronto Globe or something in the background. Yeah, yeah,
we've got to digitize that one.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah. When they say Ontario, do they meean Ontario, California
or Ontario.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
So this is gonna be interesting to see how it
plays out. The financials and the amazement is I haven't
heard a lot of the reactionary squealing out of Hollywood
about this proposal, Like they haven't been how the hell
does Donald Trump get away with this? As I expected
to see. It has been more like and let's see

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if this works. Maybe.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, I mean the only.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Hasn't been an endorsement, but the fact that they're not
ripping out their hair says something to me.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
And you know, the most like backhanded comment I've heard
from the Dems on this was from Adam Schiff, who,
rather than just be like oh, Trump blah blah blah
bla blahs, like you know, what would work is if
we match state film credits. You know, it's like California
gives us seven hundred and fifty million dollar film credit,

(30:32):
you know for producing in California. I'm sure Georgia has
something similar to you know, have the FED match that.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
That's a prime example. Adam didn't lose his mind over
something that Donald Trump proposed. Should tell us right there
that there's some validity to this.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, and you know, talk about why California hasn't up
because California should be well over a billion now, I
mean just what they're you know, the way that they
exponentially increase and you and I have talked about this
at length, and you know, in the irony of the
unions and strikes especially, we were talking about it a
lot during the strike. Was the greatest lobbyist that Hollywood
ever had was Weinstein, where he would go meet with

(31:12):
Brown or get or Newsome and get them to up
the you know, the the film credit.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, well that's yeah. This is something I covered years
ago where Weinstein at the time had been campaigning with
Obama and he was against offshoring jobs, against corporate welfare,
and pro union and at the same time went to
Sacramento to get unions to cut them a break, to
get more tax breaks for the big business studios, i e. Welfare. Yeah,

(31:45):
and and at the same time they were shipping work overseas.
Obama got re elected and he went to DreamWorks of
all places, and you know, because they were huge donors
to him, and he was just a plot.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
You do fantastic animation work, and seeing all these American
jobs is just absolutely Oh it does my heart proud.
He said this in the parking lot, took a toward
the place and left. Within thirty days, they laid off
like hundreds of workers and sent animation jobs to the Orient, Right,
I mean it's amazing. Just like, don't hold any accountability

(32:24):
forget about it. We got to move on.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
So yeah, it was a good it was a good campaign. Stop,
you know, it was a good it was a good SoundBite.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Basically, So Katzenberg, thank you for the millions. Got to
get out of here now I got a jet.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, but this is what we're talking you and your
little fishing guy on the moon.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Hollywood economics never makes sense and I love them for it. Well, yeah,
on this topic. One of the favorite things we love
to do on this show is turn our backs to
each other so we can slap them in rays of ourselves.
Were being so brilliant.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yes, we see the the big picture that these multi
billion dollar industries do not or the people who operate
in them, the loudest of them being the actors.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
This may crack me up more than usual. Longtime listeners
may even tire of this. But you were just mentioning
the strikes, which we covered extensively, and one of the
pre eminent aspects of that was artificial intelligence.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
The actual that was the sticking point that drug it
on for another month was the use of AI.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, they hammered out kind of the payout in decent fashion,
and then you know, boosting of medical coverage was a
sticking point, but they got that hammered out. Okay, But
the AI thing took weeks, if not months longer to
settle on, and it got to the point where the

(34:09):
studios were like, fine, we promise we will never use
AI again. You have our word already, and myself at
the time said this is going to last about six months. Yeah,
it lasted about six weeks.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, the ink didn't even dry. Fran Dresser's signature was
still moist.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
The just like story after story would creep out, like
this movie had to do some pickup scenes after it
was already completed. So they did it in AI. And
know this one has to do some ADR voiceover work,
and they used AI. It's been used in writing, It's
been used in backgrounds and more and more. We talked
about a month or so ago about how studios are

(34:56):
meeting with artificial intelligence companies.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Heavily investing in it, getting their own AI departments. Well
now christ to specific AI designed to make movies.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
We have we have crossed another line. And this one
cracks me up just about, uh, just about as much
as any other. There's a new actress in Hollywood that's
garnering a lot of attention right now.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yes, and I don't know if it's uh kosher for
me to think that she's hot because she looks mid twenties,
but she couldn't be more than a year old.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
I was just gonna say mid, but okay.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Okay, I'm mid.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Tillie Norwood Empire. Tilly Norwood is the actress name, and
all kinds of reactions on both sides of the scale
regarding this performer. It's a name you're probably not familiar with.
I'll just come out and say it hasn't been in
a feature or any shows yet. Even if you go

(36:09):
to im dB, not a lot of information about her
because Tilly Norwood has only been around for a few weeks. Yeah,
I don't mean working, I mean existing, Yes, whole motion actress.

(36:31):
Tilly Norwood is an actress completely crafted by artificial intelligence
and supposed thing.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Is not even crafted by like an AI company. Thanks Jeff,
he's got the uh, he's got the pictures up well,
like not even crafted by like an AI company as
a future set or anything an actor generated this.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, according to some in Hollywood, multiple talent agents are
reportedly interested in signing the AI actress.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Which has several B list actresses in this Variety article
who I actually had to IMDb because I never heard
of any of them. Melissa Barra, who's apparently huge in
her youth on Telenevella's in Mexico. Not a lot of

(37:32):
work since then, saying drop her ass. Hal Gross learned
to read the room. Had Kirsey Clemens, who's been in
some big movies but not as like a featured actress,
just like background saying out their agents, I want their
names or out these agents, I want their names. And

(37:52):
Mara Wilson, who you may remember from Matilda and not
much sense except for voiceover work, voice acting work. What
about the hundreds of living young women whose faces composite
were compositive together to make her? You couldn't hire any
of them, such as Yeah, such as yourself. Uh well,

(38:15):
I'm sorry, but Tilly works for Scale.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Uh huh? Now this is this is the actor comedian
who crafted this particular actress a ligne. Vander Velden man,
that's even more Dutch than me, just gonna say. Yes,
they've said that Tilly is not a replacement for a
human being, but a creative work, a piece of art.

(38:43):
Like many forms of art before her, she sparks conversation
and in that itself shows the power of creativity. Yeah
for that non answer.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah. But meanwhile, in an interview with Broadcast International back
in July, vander Walden said he wanted Norwood to be
the next Scarlett Johansson or Natalie Portman.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Of course, now you you mentioned that this AI actress
would be working for Scale, I'm gonna dare say there
might be another attractant for studios. Let's let's harken back

(39:29):
to the nightmare that Disney encountered with Rachel Zegler. Right,
if you have an AI performer in your movie. They
are not gonna go on a media tour and completely
torpedo your production because they're only gonna say what you
want her to say. So this could be another benefit

(39:52):
for the studio. It's like, wait a second, she's not
gonna go out there and turn like activist, shrew pro Palestine,
screw the Jews on us.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Meanwhile, her co actor is Jewish. Yeah, that's probably a
bigger play than anyone will admit.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Oh great, the Jewish comedian is putting Palestinian actors out
of work.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Oh so, follow up on this I just saw on
the sidebar sag AFRO president Sean Austen. We went from
Fran Dresser to Sean Austin immediately referenced to the one
hundred and eighteen day strike, fighting very hard to put
AI provisions and protections in place. The teams at SAGRAFA

(40:36):
have been on this fight longer than people might realize.
As technology continues, we will be filing a complaint in
our agreement with the ATA is important. We look forward
to a healthy instruction covers blah blah, bah blahlah blah blah.
So yeah, Shawn ask.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Reach out to the culture ship because we called this
a year plus ago. Yeah, we can help you out,
check us out.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Well, yeah, they really need to listen to the show.
You know what. The fact that they don't makes our
jobs so much easier.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
That is, I mean, if they actually took our advice,
we would not have content.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Right except for saying, hey, they listen to us again.
Next it's the problem.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Well then moving on and there you go.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Hey, I got to bring up something else of our prescience.
Do so are our fortune teller? Like Visions of the future,
The true cost of the Alcolyde has come out.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Oh yes, this h and.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
I don't mean the emotional costs like Jeff suffer. I
don't mean the meme generation costs. See. This is the
one thing this, in my opinion, is why Disney spent
all that money making Pinewood in Georgia so they wouldn't
have to follow UK law and they could say things

(42:15):
like oh, Han Solo made money and not be called
to carpet on it because in this case, because it
was all filmed in the UK, or enough of it
that they had to file the proper paperwork. The estimate
of it being one hundred and eighty million dollars was
somewhat correct. It did cost one hundred and eighty million,

(42:37):
plus another fifty four million on top of that, I'm sorry,
seventy four million on top of that one quarter of
a billion dollars for one season of television that lasted
ten episodes and people stopped watching after three.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Two hundred and fifty four million was the public record
submitted to the UK and aster as applied here without
marketing factored in.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yes, yeah, this is without marketing and incentives. This is
pure dollar cost.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
So over twenty five million dollars an episode for one
hour of content. Twenty five million.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
The content's doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
Bread, can you imagine what I could do with that money?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
How about one hundred million episode they did for Rangs? Right,
but I want you to realize that every time Rangs
comes up on your Prime video, that's a billion dollars
a season.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
This is our So they're I mean, this is pure
out of pocket. By the way, yeah, do.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
We call this too. We knew Disney was was short
selling it because Disney when they when they're reporting a
failure and trying to spend it as a success, we
spent one hundred and eighty million dollars on that. Yeah,
you're missing a hole.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
But this was strictly streaming, so this went straight to Disney. Plus,
the only monetary return that you could calculate would be
on new subscriptions or renewals that took place as a
result of this showing.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Maybe yes, and then you co would have to immediately
track that the people signed up went straight to the
Acolyte or the people that renewed went straight to the Accolyte,
which Disney has those metrics. We do not, but I
guarantee you.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
And it does not want to release these metrics.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Because if the people who were excited, the people who
were on social media that were excited about The Acolyte,
if they had actually watched it, it would have survived.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah, and this is you know, this is a case
of like we talked about Billy Eckner earlier, his movie Bros.
Where it was made specifically and strictly for the gay
romcom audience and anybody that didn't go see it as
a homophobe, Well, gays didn't turn out to see it,
So I guess they're yeahbrick about the meat.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, you and Jeff did the math on that like
less than one percent of the gay population in the
United States when you go see it. That means over
ninety nine percent of the gay population in the United
States is homophobic.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
And that's only if every single person that saw the
movie was gay.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah, by the way, yes, okay, So Collider back when
The Acolyte was out, you know, they ran defense of
the series saying that The Acolyte scored more than twenty
times average demands seen in any current streaming landscape. That
was based on flawed parat Analytics, which measures audience demand
from Google searches, Wikipedia activity, YouTube reviews, social media mentions

(46:11):
good or bad. Us blasting the show on this show
ranks into that.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Okay, engagement, but that also is strictly online commentary.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
That's not pracy activity. They monitor piracy activity, so apparently
it's great where it wasn't making any money.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
So all of the gay lesbian fans out there were
pirrating the movie.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yes, because not only is the Force female, it's also gay.
For those of you who aren't familiar with The Acolyte,
it's it is. It's a Star Wars product, and it
is to Star Wars what tomatoes are to fruit technically
a fruit, but you don't put it in a fruit salad. Yeah,

(47:07):
so uh I. It was basically based on the fact
this was like hundreds of years, thousands of years in
the past from when Star Wars takes place, and the
forest were a bunch of space witch lesbians.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yes, that phrase lesbian space witches will forever resonate online.
People will always know what you're talking about. Many will
even figure that you're talking about episode three of this series,
which is basically when everybody started to check out, and

(47:46):
I think was an episode five when Disney announced they
weren't going to renew the series.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Yeah, and they still had five episodes left, but that
was at that point it was why bother watching the rest?
It's already been canceled. I'm not invested in this story, sorry,
enough to suffer through the next five episodes. Except for
and you know we talked about this at the time.
Most of like you know, the parad analytics thing. Most
of the people who we could tell were watching it

(48:13):
were YouTube reviews or reviewers like nerdrotic to blast the
fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, most of it was of the nature. I watched
this so you don't have to right it was that bad?
It was she Hulk bad?

Speaker 3 (48:29):
It was it was worse than she Hulk. Oh yeah,
but I mean at least made it seven episodes before
it got canceled. This makes bat Girl look like fucking
Dynasty or Supernatural.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
And holy hell, I forgot about the other one already
that came out this year, the Marvel one. What the
hell was that called? Yeah, with the young black Tony
Stark act.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah, uh, iron heart re.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Re iron hard.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Yes, we retarded.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
That is how that one defies memory. And I saw
most of the series.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Wow, all one episode of it.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Well shoehearding a segue here we talked about John Aston
mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
He has actually signed his name of support as a
performer and union individual to back another strike in the
entertainment industry that's looming on the horizon. And we're talking
about Broadway.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
You know, say what you will about Broadway. It is
the only form of entertainment right now that is not
in risk of AI.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
True, I'll give you that.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
I mean as I mean, I can't think of another one.
Because even with music, Jeff, your album's dropping on the
eighth right, Yes, it is all right, So yeah, if
you're not familiar with Jeff's work. Listen to a lot
of the shows on kaylor and Radio, especially Juck's position
and his own shows, and he does the music form.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Wow, is it going to be a key gut l
r N soundtrack? I am actually working on that music.
Heard it all, but it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah, this one, this one's this one's all him, But yeah,
I'm looking forward to it. That twenty five dollars gift
certificate I won from bound Amazon card I won from
Bounding into Comics. I'll probably spend on that. And if
you didn't see, Bounding into Comics had a give your
best theory, your most bizarre theory about Hollywood and my

(50:58):
theory that George Lucas killed somebody in the sixties and
in that person's belongings was the script to Star Wars
A New Hope and a rough outline of Empire Strikes Back.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
That one, well done, Thank you, that was That was
twenty five dollars well earned, right there.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I think so so.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, I suppose we're supposed to care that Broadway might
shut down because of an actor strike. They're lobbying to
get more medical coverage.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Yeah, but okay, here's the reality. It's the only entertainment
sector that has actually shown growth post COVID is Broadway.
They're at an all time high.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
And well, we don't really.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Care much about it on the show. Somebody does.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not knocking Broadway as an entertainment wing,
but I just I have really little too many interest
in it. I just use my ratar. Yeah, I'm not
even keyed in usually on what's playing unless it's something
really massive like spam Alot or something that.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Just Yeah, I'm aware that cats exist, existed, I'm aware
that they made a movie of it, and I'm aware
that somewhere out there is the butthole cut of that
movie is drink.

Speaker 7 (52:27):
I could not not bring it up a protect about
Broadway if I can interrupt for a second, something out
touched or always about you know him going and seeing
what venue right now has people acting, singing and performing
that's not auto tuned, not cutting green screen.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
It's Broadway. Yeah, no, absolutely, and it's probably the last
true form of entertainment left. And yeah, while we have
a blind spot towards it on the show, Oh, it's
the only growth industry and it's still performance artists.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yeah, I mean, I don't have you know gripe or
about them and say oh, there are a bunch of
talent with fools or anything of the sort. I just
I'm resisted to that form, like musicals repel me for
the most part.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Yeah, everything I know about classical music and show tunes,
I learned how the Simpsons or Bugs Bunny.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah, I mean, I'll I'll sit through it when it's
Disney and the kids are here. But you definitely get.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Alec Baldwin signed a letter in solidarity too, so you know,
the union better shape up or they could get shot
in the face.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I get that reference.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Because we talked about that at length of His Shoe too.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
And probably why New Mexico filming has reached a end.
No pun intended, but yeah, Broadway now is looming shutdown.
The Actors' Union has already agreed to this. They're now
in the stage where people are going door to door
at the various theaters to hand out voting cards, which

(54:16):
I'm not sure why if they've already voted on it,
but this is like a secondary one and if this happens,
it's going to basically shut down the Great White Way
during its peak season, which is fall through the holidays.
And the the thing about Broadway that amazes me is
the ticket prices average for a show is two hundred

(54:41):
dollars so and that's what you Yeah, if you incorporate
the crap in the upper mezzanine, imagine what orchestra pit's
got to go for, right, staggering. But this is all
of New York City we're talking about, and many of

(55:03):
these shows things.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
As it costs for a movie. A movie ticket is
probably about two hundred dollars too, so in New York.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
But the you know, the way you make your money
back in Broadway is in the length of time that
you put on shows, right, So if you close early,
you were going to eat your ass. And so you've
got to play for a good year or so before
you see a return on investment. And that is going

(55:32):
to be a gut punch to the producers if they
miss out on the core of their season. That's gonna
be amazing to watch.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Yeah, I mean, that's you know, I mean, that's why
you see shows like Cats and Guys and Dolls and
you know moulan Ers just lasting for decades and you know, yeah,
they generated a fuck ton of money. Everybody involved got
rich and that's fantastic, you know, that's I am one
behind that. But you know, like you said, if it's

(56:06):
a new Broadway or off Broadway and you've got to
strike looming, those producers are gonna cave really fucking quick
h from a CBI, you know, upping their health insurance
isn't gonna be that expensive. I mean unless it's like
Spider Man the Musical where somebody died, you know, well,
what's the actual risk?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
And that was one of the most expensive productions ever.
I think, yeah it was, but it's yeah, it's just
gonna be interesting to watch. I don't And one of
the other things I don't grasp a Broadway is like
when they do the Tony Awards, that only centers on
the brand new production. So if something's been on Broadway

(56:48):
for three years, it's no longer eligible, right. They have
at any given time, I think only twenty or twenty
five productions taking place, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
I mean yeah on Broadway proper. Yeah, and a lot
of those have been long running. So a lot of
stuff you see in the Tony's are off Broadway or
you know, Broadway adjacent somehow.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
But yeah, yes, I don't really have a lot of
empirical knowledge about it. But I do have a question. Yes,
let's have it. What do you got? Broadway is not
against doing you know, remakes and sequels and stuff. They
bring back plays all the time, usually.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Very nobody gets nobody gets tired of are they doing
fucking Cats again? I keep mentioning Cats because that's really
the only Broadway show I know.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
But yes, you know, and it makes sense when something
like you know, the Odd Couple will get remade every
you know, like once or something like that, a deeply serious,
long running popular show. But we got the announcement that
the production Chess is coming back.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Forty years in the remaking.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
And if anybody is scratching their head out there, you
probably do know something about Chess. And that would be
the MTV hit from the nineteen eighties One Night in Bancock.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yes, that is pretty much the only reason anybody knows
about Chess.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Who had no idea? Why? Yeah? How that game lyrics?

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Right? Well, yeah, I can.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Only assume it was somebody involved in MTV executive suite
was invested in the play.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I'm I'm yeah, no, that's definitely because.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I mean, this song is moderately but there was nobody
in it.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
It's nonsense.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Though.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
The song is nonsense, the video is nonsense. Everything about
it is non sense. Sense the play was. It must
have been nonsense too, because it only lasted between April
and July of eighty six.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeah, I think the song might have been on the
charts longer than the play was running.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Yes, it was, It absolutely was.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
And that's the big mystery. So this show itself was
basically a failure. Sure, let's bring that back.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Yeah, I'm sorry, nineteen eighty eight not eighty six, but yeah,
it's yeah, I just saw him.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
It's gonna work.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
It's like communism this time it's gonna work.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I suppose. So, yeah, it makes sense if a proven hit,
you know, like, you know what we haven't seen in
fifteen years? Who is clamoring for chess? Yeah I'm but
again it's not my money. Go ahead, knock yourselves out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
And yeah, I mean yeah, I uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, but I'm not
supposed to. It's not my gig. But yeah, speaking of
remakes that nobody asked.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
For, Hey, you want to take a break real quick
before we go into that, because I need to refill
my drink.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Well then yes, let's do that. Okay, so edge of
your seat, people, We've got more coming, more remake information
on the horizon. So grab your commemorative bucket of popcorn
and your supersized drink. Hit the lobby for refills. We'll
be back here in three minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
On the culture, everybody reverse gate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
In a show with everything.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Tom doesn't seem a minute stars in it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
I'll change the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Way you play at this level in no ordinary venue.
It's Iceland or the Philippines, or Haste, or for this place.

Speaker 8 (01:01:09):
One night and thank the world's child.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Temples.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
You're finding God. And if you're lucky, she.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
Can feel you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Just said in up to one town, it's very like another.
When your head's down over your pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Brother, looking at the looking at this mean you see.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
One crowded for looked at bank town. Get tired.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
You're talking to a tourist.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Those every moves among the purists. I get my cuts
above the waistline. Sunshine man.

Speaker 9 (01:02:04):
Just tweetstairing mixt see hairpoo compt me. I can feel
his hair.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Wood walking next to me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Zion's gonna be the witness to the ultimate nest of
cerebral fingers.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
This gripts me more.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Than what a muddy or river or reclining buddher. Thank god,
I'm only watching the game, controlling it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
I don't see you guys rating.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
The kind of mad I'm contemplating.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I bet you watch.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
I wouldn't invite you, but the queen sweels would not
excite you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
So you better go back to your bars, your temples.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Your massage follows.

Speaker 9 (01:03:13):
The bars and temples, the turple, same fee. You'll find God.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
And then they go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
The special history.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
I can feel an age sliding to me.

Speaker 9 (01:03:31):
Makes the man.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
Not much.

Speaker 8 (01:03:34):
The swinging despairing next to see, guys, table can't be caps,
You're confunded.

Speaker 9 (01:03:47):
I can feel sample walking.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Next to And there we are. We are back here
at the culture shift. And I'm sure everybody was probably
melting the words to that in some capacity because we
all have that infected upon us.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Hey, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I
moon walked my way to the kitchen to that to
make some more TEA.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Can't help yourself, well I could.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
I could not help myself. You know what sketcher slip
ons with hardwood four.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
And there's a window into Ortie's life. About that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
I didn't try to emulate the solid gold dancer thing
when they're dancing on the chessboard, because that would be absurd.
I would never do something like that. I totally did that,
thank god.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Well, my dear co host Aggie brought some more info
that the musical itself was created by the group Abba.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
So that explains a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
It does, and also means that for once in there career,
they've had a failure. How about that. Yeah, yeah, so
that's that explains a little bit of it. Okay, we
were talking about remakes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
And they should have just made a play about Fernando.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Well they did do Mama Mia. Well that's true, which
was actually quite a big hit. So that was a
huge hit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
I mean they made a movie out of it. They
didn't make a movie out of Chess.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
No, no, they did not. Alas well, Yes, Hollywood, on the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Edge of our seats. We paid for the whole seat,
but we only needed the edge. Brad, tell us what
you got.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
If you look back at the voluminous catalog of Sylvester Stallone,
I'm sure there might be a number of entries where
people say, you know what we need to do again,
and they have. They've gotten into the Rocky, They've touched
on Rambow a bit and brought that back. I don't

(01:06:03):
know that there's anybody out there clamoring for Cliffhanger.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
I am more familiar with the parody that they did
of it in ace Ventura too at the beginning, than
I remember anything of that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
My only recall of it is that it co starred
Janine Turner from Northern Exposure at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Yes, yes it did.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
I'm just saying she was a dish, But yes, she
did not launch into Hollywood day List and instead landed
on Lifetime playing a doctor on I forget what that
show was, but she was one. But apparently there's a
need to bring this back. Pierce Brasenen has been attached.

(01:06:55):
Isn't he about eighty years old? Now? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
But you see, he is not the stallone character in
this a female climber. Is he and his daughter are
being ransomed for some reason?

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Got it? And this is not a proposal. This is
in the camp and this is done.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Eight figures for this one. At the Toronto Film Festival,
distribution was purchased for eight figures.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
I like how they call this a dangling gamble. I
see what you did there, got it? Yes? And I
guess part of the deal is they've already guaranteed a
three thousand screen release, is you know, sizable. It's not
a what they call a saturation release. But that's pretty

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pretty good, pretty significant.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
I mean, that's kind of I mean that's what snow
White had just over three thousand screens its first week.
But they were doing day date with that too.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Yeah, I think at that point they they were in
too deep. They couldn't cut out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yeah, and they said that they had commitments.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
At one point, Jason Momoa was attached to this. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
See, now that would have put him right about stallone's
age when in ninety four, when Cliffhanger was thirty years ago.
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I would dare say that would have maybe carried a
bit more interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
But yeah, Stone was supposed to have a cameo in this,
you know, and it's said that his name appears in
the Castle, but his involvement ended once the project was overhauled.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Well, that probably means they didn't let him rewrite the script,
something that he commonly does or wants to do. Yes,
that's just his thing. Well, on the topic of movies
last week, Oh godness again love of Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Oh good, this is going to be such a failure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Well, I have seen advertisements for this film coming out
for a number of weeks and I have yet to
actually wrap my head around what the hell it's about. Well, okay,
it's called one Battle after another. All I ever saw
on screen were critics raving about it, fantastic thriller, wonderful acting,

(01:09:55):
Oscar worthy, blah blah blah. And I'm watching Leonardo dicap
run around looking like a grunge fan from Nirvana, a
number of other people doing stuff. What the hell the
movie about? Is my question?

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
I mean, if you want as yeah, that's the one
thing the ads don't show because when you break down,
because I actually did did the research into this. So
DiCaprio plays an activist who's fighting against fascism, you know,
authoritarianism in a state that you know is not saying
when this is happening or where it's happening, but basically

(01:10:34):
you can tell it's California and there's a problem the
presidents of becoming authoritarian whatever, and him and his girl
are constantly doing antifash shit together and then uh, somehow
the head of a immigration detention facility gets involved, played

(01:10:54):
by Sean Penn. Sean Penn knocks up DiCaprio's chick and
and uh then she splits because she you know, she
goes and turns in everybody and they all go to
jail and because she wanted immunity and DiCaprio's raising Sean
Penn and his chick's daughter total cuck move.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
And then the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Sean Penn's character finds out about the daughter and goes
hunting after her, and DiCaprio is all paranoid from doing
nothing but smoke pot all the time. And this is
just this is gonna be a fucking failure. This is
just Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I guess I can kind of grasp the trouble they
have in selling this when you look at this headline
from The Daily Beast Leonardo DiCaprio's Antifa rally cry for
a mad twenty five America.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Who wrote this? Nick Schleeger, Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
That's what you expect to get people stampeding to theaters. Now,
the movie did open at number one. I'm going to
give it that about twenty two to twenty three million
for the weekend. Okay, this is over two hours slog
of Antifa activist action bs. Yeah, Okay, the movie cost

(01:12:27):
about one hundred and twenty to make.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
I don't think so. I think it costs way more.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Well, yeah, but that that could be based almost entirely
just on the salary of the actors. When you got
Sean Pennen, DiCaprio and a lengthy cast of known individuals
Bernicio del Toro and others. Yeah, roll in promotion for
this out of pocket is expected to be anywhere from

(01:12:55):
a buck fifty to maybe one hundred and eighty million,
meaning this movie has to clear three hundred minimum to
break even.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Yeah, and given the amount of promotional material I've seen
and the lack of it actually letting you know what
the movie is about, I think that's gonna scrape at
three point fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
I'm gonna be shocked if this thing. Well see global
always kind of throws a monkey wrench in things, But
I don't see this being an international play.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
This is you know what does good?

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Global is like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Top Gun Maverick. You know that kind of shit does
good globally? You don't see stuff like that. This is
basically heart art house fagotry with a big budget, and
this is this is gonna win an Oscar I guarantee
you it's gonna take Best Picture, but it's not gonna
break two hundred million.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
See. I don't know that this is going to be
necessarily Oscar caliber. I think it's this is gonna be
one that gets heavily pimped to the Golden globes in
the hopes that that's going to launch them into something. Ayright,
but uh, to date, this thing is drawn thirty million domestic,

(01:14:21):
thirty six international. Yeah, there's just.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
But no word of mouth on this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
No, not really.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
I did a Twitter search when when that when when
you dropped this is one of the things we're gonna
be talking about. I did a Twitter search. Nobody's talking
about it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
I I want to correct you. There is one person
talking about this movie and I sound clip.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Ready for you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Yeah that's right, Nelson Months.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Yeah that when you're crafting an Antifa action movie, what
do you do? Seriously? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Okay, this is like how they talk about there's so
many white supremacist there's so many KKK in America. When
the last time there was actually any like, you know,
based off of Stormfront registrations. I mean, there's thirty five
hundred of them. How many Antifa? This is like making
a movie for the KKK that isn't Birth of a Nation.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Yeah, And at the same time, they're trying to sell
us on the concept that Antifa is not an organization,
it's just a concept. Just meanwhile, it's just an a
morphous blob. But we want them to show up to
our movie.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Yes, I'm sorry, but suburban wine moms can only carry
this thing so far.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
But the I love the insistence here that you know, oh,
this is such a timely film and it addresses the
totalitarianism we're living through right now. And then you look
at polling. When Donald Trump came out last week and
said he wanted to declare Antifa a terrorist group, more
than half of people supported that. Yeah. So I mean, okay,

(01:16:05):
so okay.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
The main female lead is black, and so the daughter
in it is you know, in theory, she's by race.
The last time I checked, that's not very popular among
the left.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
True. True, But also the people that tend to gravitate
towards Antifa are not your movie going type because they're
going to meetings, they're going to training sessions. They're going
you know, they're buying their black umbrella somewhere. Yeah, to

(01:16:48):
fight the man and the institution. They're not going to
go and give money to the institution to go watch
a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
I'm sorry, what do you think they're buying plate carriers
to where I'm wrong?

Speaker 8 (01:17:00):
This is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Really this is them buying into their own bull crap.
Like they think this Antifa movement is something sweeping the country,
yet somehow it can never manage to leave Portland. I
don't I don't see this growing into like this fantastasized
passion group that you know, chapters are springing up all

(01:17:25):
over the country. It's like pretty much Portland. Like even
Eugene Oregon is sick of their crap.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
I mean, it tells you something about this movie. In
this glowing fucking peace on it. The best part he
talks about is how DiCaprio is always stoned and can't
remember the past. That the past phrase to, you know,

(01:17:53):
get in with the Antifa so he could find his
daughter or you know, the girl he raises hotter. So
like if that's the highlight of the movie, is just
some stoner can't remember his password?

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
I yeah, feeling scene here, Ordy. Okay, well, this is
actually part of their ad campaign because they'reing. I think
it was during football. They they did like a cutaway
scene where somebody in the NFL was talking to DiCaprio
on the telephone and they were badgering about a code

(01:18:29):
word password that they couldn't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Yeah, okay, that highlight of this two hour sog.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
But they didn't even in that clip in that promo
explained why that was pertinent or what it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Oh, you just gotta see the movie, Brad. They're not
gonna get away the best part.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
And I think you just made our point if that
was the best part.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
So yeah, so yeah, I'm saying. I'm saying it's uh,
they scratched three hundred and fifty by the time with
promotion and everything in marketing, they're gonna scratch three fifty
and I'm calling two hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Okay, I can buy that. Well, I mean, I that
sounds rational. I think it works.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Well, that's a run to try and get that two
hundred too. This thing is gonna be sitting in two
hundred theaters until next year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
It's gonna have to double its take on vod for
those two weeks on streaming.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Damn you red Box for closing. This would have killed it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Well. Speaking of polling, segue Latin. Yeah, Gallop has come
out with their annual surveying where they basically ask Americans
what their impressions are of various industries across the country.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Yeah, we get this every year. Well, you know, they'll
talk about you know, like you said, you have a
variety of industries, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
And they basically get people a laundry list of professional
industries in the country and you get to choose for
impressions very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable, highly negative. Basically
is the way that works out. And maybe within the
individual industries it's a bit more specific, such as journalism.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Right, yeah, and so the when we talk about industries,
this would be like pharmaceutical investment bank. You know, it's
you know, it gauges public perception and trust across a
wide swath of industries, insurance and shit like that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Yes, usually number one is always farmers. They have the
most positive reaction, and then you know a couple others
are up there. But when it comes to journalism, we
have been seeing a remarkable I don't even know if
I can call it a downturn anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
This is, yeah, a downturn implies a glide path. Yeah, no,
this is exactly a glide path.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
This is more of a plunge that you might see
in the movie Cliffhanger when the ropes are cut.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
This is I mean, looking at this chart, this is
nineteen seventy five. At the high water mark, the plane
runs out of fuel, and then it's been on a
glide path until about two thousand and then they were
able to get to generate some lyft, and then around

(01:21:42):
twenty sixteen, it just knows that I've had a little
peak and then just continuing to plummet.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
This year, twenty twenty five, marks the seventh year in
a row that they have hit a historical low in
public trust in the media. The remarkable part here is
that favorability is outpaced by people saying they have not

(01:22:15):
very much or no faith at all in the press.
So the numbers are the top response here is not
very much thirty six percent, no faith whatsoever, thirty four percent. Okay,
we're already at sixty seventy two now, so you're you're

(01:22:40):
in bad territory. They had to combine people who had
a great deal of faith or fair amount of faith
together just to get to twenty eight percent. The people
who have a great deal of faith in the press
is eight percent. Fair amount was twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Yeah, and this is across the board. I mean, the
decline will different between you know, Democrat, Republican, and non
affiliate independent. They're on kind of the same trajectory, just
at varying levels elevations. To keep with the plane metaphor.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Yeah, the Republicans, no surprise, have pretty much zero percent faith.
It's like eight together. Democrats are actually very favorable for
the most part. The independence though, that's the tell when
you get into the metrics and they're right in tune with.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
The overall results.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
So literally for seven straight years it was like, oh,
it's a historic low, and you've still got six more
years of going below that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Yes, to try in the climate armism, where every year
is the hottest year on record, in media trust it
is the lowest.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Year on record, with the main difference being these metrics
are accurate. Yeah, there is that. Yeah. I talk about
this all the time on my podcast and in my
column too. It's just that the media has absolutely zero
interest in fixing things. They'll kind of recognize it. They're like,

(01:24:21):
oh my gosh, the trust in the press, all this
misinformation is killing us. Yeah, that's what's killing you. They
don't want to address this. That's the thing. They'll they'll know,
they'll recognize a problem, But as far as fixing it, no.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Well, I mean this just tracks for the Democrats pulling
it under twenty percent right now. Yeah, you know you're
you know, you're on the wrong side of every issue.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
So what do they do?

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
They fucking lean into it. I mean we started this
whole conversation off of Caitln Collins, you know, surprised that, Oh,
you know, we can't shame him into changing. Have you
considered maybe you should change?

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
I don't understand our tactic isn't working. I'm gonna do
it again.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
So that that wasn't That wasn't real shaming. That wasn't
real communism. Hey, Jeff, we got Rick behind us.

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
I haven't heard one way or the other.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
I know he mentioned last night that it was a possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Well I was gonna jump on Nielsen now anyway, so
we're there. Yeah, I was looking at the numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
We briefly touched on Google, so we don't need to
deep deeper into that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Yeah, we already hit the uh the controversy there, so
we could close out with the streaming figures. I gotta
be honest, I'm i gotta start climbing through Netflix a
little more because I'm not familiar with most of these.
The number one original is My Life with the Walter
Boys helped me out there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Yeah, I don't know it, no idea, I'll have to look.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
That was amazingly not even a billion minutes viewed for
number one this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Year and that's the top one. Then that's the twenty episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
That's a soft week for streaming going on here.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Yeah, through the thirty first what was going on that
week summer into summer before going back to school?

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Everybody was out Well that was around the time of
the Charlie Kirk assassination too.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Yeah, so everybody was on social media with their opinions.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Yeah, exactly, We're all watching Fox and what have you
to start bellyaching at people the next day. So that
might have been it. Katrina Come Hell or High Water
documentary on Netflix because that's the celebrating the anniversary of
the hurricane hitting. Then we got Wednesday. The summer I
turned pretty on Prime is turning out to be a

(01:26:54):
hit for them. Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Yeah, they're uh, they're talking that up a bunch and
Love Island. I see this ad all the time too,
Like I'm supposed to care about it, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Guys, just let you know, thanks for reminding me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Turminial List is the prequel. This is a dark Wolf
Dark Wolf. It's got Chris Pratt, but it's not focused
on him necessarily. It's one of his co workers that
he was in the first one with and how that
story developed into the big one. And then everybody's watching
King of the Hill. Hostage is on Netflix. I believe

(01:27:35):
that's one of those international thrillers those are popping.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Up this Yeah, sooner or later, Janey Max tradition is
gonna come true where Korean cop procedurals are all the rage,
got it? Yeah, yeah, it's probably a smart camping.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
I'm in uh Hunting Wives on Netflix has still drawing
them and Alien Earth well let's uh head on now
over on the acquired side of course, Blue pretty much
that's Central Blue number one. Then SpongeBob, Extant Family Guy,
Animal Kingdom, Paul Patrol. The kids what I thought they

(01:28:20):
were in school? What the hell?

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
Kids got this all? I mean except for like my
mom watches Animal Kingdom too, but yeah, so, but yeah,
the kids got it all except for Big Bang Theory and.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Then on the anatomy K Pop Demon Hunters.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
Screen yet yep, not even called billion minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
There they are Murder Club. Yeah that's uh, that's got
Pierce Broadening and a couple other older performers. It's a nice,
uh dramatic feature there. Thunderbolts is on Disney Transformers Rise
of the Beast. Really, now that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
People are into that one number on that one unknown number.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Hostiles Happy Gilmour two continues to draw and continues to
launch the career or Bad Bunny as he's now been
picked for the Super Bowl. Yes, Correy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Three, fuck that thing. I mean, Lochiel transvany three. I
remember ads for that over a year ago. I can't
remember what I was binging on Netflix at the time,
and that was but now it's still going well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Never underestimate the attraction of Adam Sandler. So to hit
the overall numbers, then what took it? We have to
go to the movies. Yes, the Korean animated hit continues
to be a hit, continues to be one of the
only few with a billion viewers aside from The Thursday

(01:29:56):
Murder Club. So Netflix pretty much owns this chart, Yes
they do.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
And like you said, I got to get back over
on Netflix. I must be missing something because they're all
over this board. We haven't seen Netflix dominate like this
since like before COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Yeah, I think it could be also because it's a
softer week maybe or look.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
At yeah, I mean yeah, because I mean all the
entire acquired as all kids shows.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
So yeah, all right, Well that's gonna wrap it up
for this one. We took it to the finish line.
We were packed and we were all across the map too.
We had a little bit of everything going on.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
Have you even had Broadway?

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
It shows our broad skill. It's what we can do,
all right, Dan? Or do you want to let everybody
know where they can find more and hear more of you?

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Well, thanks for asking, Brad. You can find me on
x under ordinance packard. I am doing my thirty one
days of Buoyingo right now and that's my pinned tweet.
And you can follow along through the rest of the month. Saturday,
we will be beginning Jux Tober on Juxtaposition, where we
take our deep dive every week of the month into
one specific topic, and this year it is cryptids.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Then excuse me.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Next week. You can find me on Manorama on Tuesday
and Rick and already on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
How about you?

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Where can people find more.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Of your.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Dulcet tones and veritable writing styles.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Well, if you want to read me, head on over
to you town hall dot com. I got a daily
media column there called Rift from the Headlines and also
on the front page or Red State where I also
have a twice weekly podcast that's called Liable Sources where
I go a little bit further into the problems with
our press. And you can hear more of me on
this very network as well. Next Thursday, I'm here with

(01:31:49):
Paul Young from Screen Ran as we go through the
dark side of Hollywood and bad movies on Disasters in
the Making. And every Tuesday evening I'm here with the
ever fravistent Aggie Reekin on the Cocktail Lounge. We try
to bring diversions and entertainment everything from sports to drinking,
to science and basically have fun apart from all of

(01:32:10):
the serious trauma in politics. And if you need more
of me than that, let's face that you do if
you head over to jitter, I'm at Martini Shark. All right, ordy,
we cruised through that one, had a ton, did a ton,
and accomplished a lot in the process.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Cocaine.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Now you can go and continue your celebratory Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
I shall, I shall, indeed.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Go binging and vibe to your heart's content. Happy birthday once.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Again, Thank you, sir, Yes I will. I've still got
some more sushi.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
We'll bit amso soup and quite a few cocktails in
my future.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Beauty, well done. All right. As for us, we will
be back in two weeks with more of the vital
details out of Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Here on the Culture Shift all day.