#18 - Tattooed Theatre Kid w/Natalie Cuomo

We’re joined by NYC comedian Natalie Cuomo, who joins us to talk about her transition from Theatre Kid to Comedian. Josh forgets that school kids have to get on the subway in New York. We share stories from our early comedy days, including awful early premises for jokes. Josh shares the secret of long term relationships, which centers mostly around giving up.

Episode Transcript

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Hey guys, what's up. It'sJosh it is. This episode's coming out
on Tuesday, March twenty third.Been a little while since we had some
Darkest Hours episodes. We just hadthe one last week with Julia Pell's and
now this one with comedian Natalie Cuomo, who will be joining me this coming
Friday at the Dojo of Comedy Eastat TIFFs in Morris Plains, New Jerseys.

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So if you haven't gotten your ticketsyet, go to TIFFs Comedy dot
com. You can pick up ticketsto see me and Natalie this Friday at
TIFFs in Morris Plains, New Jersey. And I'll be doing some other things
hanging around, hanging out around inthe New York area this weekend. Also
other dates coming up if you wantto check me out in Wilmington, Delaware,

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just a little bit outside of Philadelphia. I will be there at the
House of Laughs. That'll be Friday, April thirtieth. Yeah, I think
that's it, and you can checkme out there. Tickets are available at
House of Lass Laffs dot com.Yeah, so go get tickets to those
shows today. If you're in thearea, would love to see you.

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Have you come out and hang outand have some fun. It's been a
long time since I've done live standup. As it is for a lot
of comedians going through the pandemic,and particularly ones who live out here in
California or New York where everything's beenshut down, it's been a little tricky
to try to do live stand upat all. So I'm looking forward to
it. It's been I'm pent up. I'm ready to get out there and

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and make you guys laugh. Igot some new stuff that I think is
kind of funny, and I'm excitedto share it with you. Uh.
This episode, we spend time talkingwith Natalie, talking a little bit about
kind of her origins as a comedian. She's a newer comedian about three almost
four years in and you know,talk a little bit about her time in
the New York scene and the andshe spent a little time in LA and

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just some of the things that kindof influence her comedy and why she likes
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Anyway, enjoy this episode of theDarkest Hour with Natalie Cuomo. Hello,

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Darkness, smile friend. I've cometo talk with you again because a
vision softly creeping left it sees whileI was sleeping, and the vision that

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was planted and madly stealing. There'stwo ways to see things like in the
world. One is to try tofind a way to laugh at it,
and the other is to just livea miserable existence where you're unhappy about everything.
What the fuck is that humidly adoptedthe duck I was wanting it.

(04:32):
Yeah, that seems really dark.Now that's not dark. You're misunderstanding me,
bro, this is gonna get darkfor people. No, God,
please, no, do you thinkthat anybody that does enjoy dark comedy that
it's indicative of a deeper evil?I'm in the dark. Can't do you
understand I'm in the dark. It'seight o'clock in the morning. It's funny.

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The person I had to to meetwith this morning is in the Netherlands
and she's like, what time isit there? And I was like seven
am and she's like, oh,that's early for you, And I go,
yeah, that that's a consideration youshould put in before you request a
meeting like that. Who are thesepeople? Like like, how's four?
Like I had somebody asked me todo a podcast last week and they're like,

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how's eight am Eastern? And Iwas like, five am my time?
You want me to get up andyou want me to get up at
you want me to stay up anddo your podcast at five in the morning
my time? Okay? Like andit's it's so wild, And then it's
it's kind of crazy when you thinkabout it, because that means that people

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who get up to do like thosemorning news interviews on the East Coast at
like six am, they're doing thoseat three am. If they're on the
West coast, You're like, dude, that's insane. It's who also,
who records their podcast at eight am? Anyway? Oh, I don't know
that's it's that you are, butyou know what I mean. I mean,
yeah, yeah, but that's butthat's because it's eleven am your time,

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right right on the East Coast.So Natalie Cuomo, thanks for joining
us. Um I'm excited. I'msuper excited because I've I've followed you on
social and stuff for a while now. Um, I can't remember. I
think you open for somebody I knowat the dojo or something and they were
posting clips, um, and youhad like some really dark jokes and I

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was like, oh, she's reallyfunny. And then I started following you
and then I find out you're doingthe show with me on Friday at the
Dojo in New Jersey, which isexciting. I'm so excited. It's going
to be an awesome show. Yeah, it should be it. And you've
been have you been performing a lotlate, because it seems like you have
dates all over your socials. Yes, I have. I've been really grateful
to perform Brooklyn and connecticuts that arestill open. I mean we have,

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like, you have two options outhere. You can stand in the back
of a pickup truck in somebody's parkinglot and perform into a karaoke machine,
which, believe it or not,I've passed on those opportunities. Or you
can do zoom comedy shows, whichto me is like the total bullet in
the head scenario for COVID. Iwould rather not do stand up than do

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it to my computer totally. Haveyou done any Zoom shows You're like,
I have one today, No kidding, No, I have done a lot
of Zoom shows. I feel likethey helped me remember my material and they
helped me write, but they're notcomparable at all to normal stand up.
Yeah, yeah, it's really II've watched a couple, like I had
friends that were on them and they'relike, come to my Zoom show,

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and I watched and I was like, oh god, this is so it's
so sad. It's just like,you know, I've described it as like
it's like jerking off compared to sex. It's like it's it's yeah, it's
like it kind of you're kind ofdoing it, but you're not really doing
it, you know what I mean. It's embarrassing. I did a Zoom
show and it just so happened thatthis fucking dude from my middle school was

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in the zoom ah and I'm like, great, this is what he thinks
my life has become this Zoom showwith three audience members. Yeah, well
we all go through those moments,right, like, yeah, you know,
it's so funny, Like I had, you know, I had a
show on Food Network for three seasonsand then like a year later got fired

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from a job because of comedy andlike hit some really hard financial times and
people are like, you're on TV. Aren't you a millionaire? And it's
like, no, I am not. I am not a millionaire. Far
from it, very far from it. So yeah, but that's always the
worst thing is like when when peoplefrom like your childhood or your high school
they discover you're doing comedy, butthey find you doing it in the worst

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scenario. Yes, yes, they'relike, oh, you're doing this on
Zoom for six people. Very nice, you're pretty, You're pretty new at
stand up, right, you're onlya few years in, yes, three
years? What gave you the itch? And I've watched you on a couple
other podcasts, So I don't wantto be super redundant with my question.

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So if I am, just tellme to a fuck myself. But yeah,
I guess, like what kind ofgot you into it. I've been
I had been doing acting my wholelife, and I've been studying acting,
and I just kind of wanted towrite my own material. I wanted more
autonomy in my career. And Ijust went to an open mic and I
liked it. I bombed so badthat I had to go back and try

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it again. That was your you. So you bombed your first time.
Now, of course, who doesn'tbomb. If you think you didn't bomb
your first time, then you're justdelusional. I mean, I got laughs,
but I had a lot of friendsthat came to see me the first
time. But I will tell you, if I go back and watch those
clips, they're beyond cringe. Like. Yes. So I'm like, I'm

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like looking at my feet while I'mdoing material, and I just have a
very I have a very creepy,sort of like early Jim Norton vibe.
And I also was like I waslike super fatted, like a shaved head.
So I just looked like this uncle, this creepy goth uncle fester.
It was. It was not agood look. That's amazing. Do you

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remember what jokes you did your firsttime? Oh? My god, Unfortunately
I do, because I called mydad, And there were three jokes and
I went over them with him.What do you remember one of them?
You don't have to do it,but like, what were they about?
They were terrible. There was oneabout how like finding the clip was like
trying to request an uber like itwas terrible. Oh okay, the old

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the old swiping as the clitterest bit. Yeah yeah, no, no,
not swiping, like how hard itwas to I don't fucking know what I
was thinking, something about liking redflags just basics stupid shit. Mine was
about how, um, somebody takingyou to Whitecastle is the same as anal

(10:50):
sex like you kind of got tobe talked into it and then at the
end they both end up the sameway with a bloody asshole. I mean
it's when you first start out.Um, I feel like there's always like
that thing of like, all right, I have to be extremely fucked up
and I have to I have to. Like it's almost like you go to
the most extreme parts of your brainwhen you're first started. Did you feel

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like that when you first started doingstand up? Yeah, definitely. I
feel like my stuff was more sexualwithout uh poignant punchlines. Yeah, so,
um, and I guess I findlike, yeah, I think I
think when I started, it wasmore like, um, I think that

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that was the initial thought. It'slike I have to be more dirty than
even what I see on you know, TV, or what I see you
know what I mean? Like so, and then you then you get in
you realize like, oh, yeah, this is everybody, Like everybody is
this dirty. I'm still very tamecompared to everyone else. I do feel
accomplished. Like when I don't talkabout relationships and when I don't talk about

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sex, I'm like, yes,I think when you write material that isn't
those two things. I mean,that's got to be a paint Does that
piss you off? As Like asa female comic, when you're doing in
shows and you're like, let's sayyou're late in the lineup and you're watching
like five six other women go infront of you, are like Jesus Christ,
like this premise has been burned seventimes and yet you guys keep going
up and doing it. Does itfeel that way? I guess I noticed

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that. Sometimes I'll do a showand I'm like, why has everyone talked
about clamidia? But does that happena lot? God damn New York you
guys are crazy chlamydia. And thensometimes everyone's talked about coke, and I'm
like my own. Sometimes I openwith this joke that is like I'm from
New York, so I tried cokebefore I got my first period. I

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like opening with that. Yeah,but I'm like, everyone has talked about
coke, so I can't do this. You can't now, you can't open
with it. It's completely burned.It's burned. Yeah. That's one of
the things that I think is kindof like I try to get a little
weird now. I feel like that'salmost like the only way to stay original
is like what are some things?What are thoughts that I have that no

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one else is gonna ever fucking think. And you know, my notebook right
now is like it's weird because thereare elements of it where if you open
it, you're like, this personis a serial killer, and then there
are other elements were you're like,okay, this is clearly like this is
a bit or this is something else, but like yeah, I mean,
you know, for me, likefor me, I'm like a very much

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a nothing's off limits comedian. SoI try to write like I try to
start from like the most fucked upplace, and or I try to defend
things in current events of the media, is like, how could you defend
this? Which is totally indefensible?And I tweeted one the other day that's
like a start of a joke thatI've just started working on where I was
like, if you're going by Billand ted logic time travel wise, we've

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either never invented it because we wouldhave already fixed all the things right,
or everyone that has ever gone backin time to kill Hitler has been swayed.
And so it's almost like this weirdpremise of like, if we have
invented time travel, we there wouldalready not be Hitler. And then it
starts to open up all these otherthings in your brain of like, wait

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a minute, maybe Hitler was fromthe future and he went back to stop
something worse. Totally Yeah, Idon't know, that's just the my brain
works in weird fucking ways like that. Where I think about it was like,
Okay, if we're using this timetravel logic, then maybe maybe Hitler's
the good guy. And I waslike, oh god, this is how

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people become Nazis. They start thinkingcrazy shit like this, and you know,
before you know it. It's likeyou're already down this rabbit hole of
like defending Hitler. Well, Ithink being original is the most important thing
right now, Like I've been thinkinga lot about, you have to really
hone in that like personal element ofthe way you think if you want to

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stand out as a comedian right now, and if you want to have your
own personal touch on your writing andyour jokes. Everyone can write about the
same basic shit that's on Twitter unlessyou put your own spin on it,
Yeah, for sure. And theother thing is, like I've always found
that the best, the most obviousway to sort of stay unique and original

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is just to stay talking about yourselfor talking about you, or you know,
just kind of focused on you know, yourself and your own perspective and
your own point of view. Andwhen you try to get I feel like
when, especially in when you're new, if you try to get too observational,
that's where you get mundane or youget boring, is because you're just

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making sort of the same observations aseverybody else. That's true. I feel
like I cannot do observational fucking comedyat this point. Well, it's got
to be tough in New York too, because there are so many comics and
so much of the like the lifeexperience is the same, you know,
like you're dealing with the same thingsthe subway and you know, the congestion
of the city, and there's justyou know, I'm sure like in LA,

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there's so many LA things that youknow, newer comics talk about.
I'm sure it's the same in NewYork, right right right, There are
certain I mean, there are certaincomics that can talk about that can really
have mastered observational comedy and made itfunny. And I'm like, how the
fuck did they do that? It'san invisible art for sure, Yeah,
Or how did you find that?Like how did you find that leftover thing

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to talk about that that nobody elsehas pointed out yet? Right or like
I don't know. I remember whenI was just like listening to stand ups
on Spotify and I listened to likeGary Goldman's thing about fruit salad, and
I thought it was hilarious, andI'm like, how the fuck did he
make fruit salad funny? Like thatis insane? Yeah, he's probably I'd

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say, like him and Sebastian aremore than likely the best in terms of
like modern observational comics who can kindof take basic things and you know,
still make them funny. The daythat I can make fruit salad funny is
the day that, like, Idon't know, I will never be able

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to have that level of of ofbrilliance around those things. I think that
my skills are in a different area. What um, I guess what?
I asked you? What kind ofgot you into comedy? Was there any
sort of I always find that,like the best comedians, a lot of
times there are like things in theirpast or their childhood or whatever that sort

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of steered them that way. Doyou feel like there was anything from your
growing up that steered you towards beinga comedian or that that sort of planted
the seed in your mind that someday you would do it? Performance was
like my life as a as akid, as a teenager, I was
like obsessed with I was a theaterkid. I hate to say it.
Yeah, I hate to say it. I hate to say it. Why

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do you hate to say it?I mean, you know there are worse
things, are there? I don'tknow? I mean you seem to have
turned out okay, I mean,yeah, you know, got a handful
of tattoos and you ride motorcycles.I mean, you're you're that's that's bad.
If you're apparent from the nineteen fifties, you know what I mean.
But like, there's way, thereare way worse things that you could have
turned into from being a theater kid, like you know, an act,

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an actual actor. No, Imean it's funny, like so many of
those Uh so many of those peoplelike grow up to be like I guess
the successful theater kids grow up tobe insufferable celebrities. Yes, and so
I think the fact that it's steerlike you ended up being a comedian is

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probably like, I don't know,tenth down the list of worse things that
could have happened from being a theaterkid. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I think uh I was a veryI can the echo in my ear
is distracting me a tiny bit,but it's okay. Um, sorry the
I think I was a theater kidand in high school I was bullied a

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lot and my confidence really got fucked. And I think that what were you
bullied over? I'm always curious whatpeople are bullied over. Everything, just
everything, my voice, the wayI ran my clothes, my music.
Well, this is this is whereyou went wrong? You ran in high
school? See, I always hada note. No I no, it's

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like the way so I was like, we're running today. No no,
no, no, you check myfile. I'm sure I have something on
file about that. No, likethe way I ran to Like so I
grew up in New York City,the way I would like run to the
subway. Like we were all like, oh my god, the train's time.
We have to run, and welike ran to the train. We'd
like get on the train and belike, oh my god. To see
Natalie the way she ran to thesubway. That's and that's that was their

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actual voice. That's a real person. That was the real voice. That
person should have been getting made funof and bullied. That's what a what
a strange called. Like I wentto school on the East Coast, but
I wasn't a like a subway toschool kid. But the idea that like,
you guys are literally running to atrain around heroin addicts and murderers,
and they're like, look, thatguy kind of runs like a fag.

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Like that's it's hilarious to me thatsomebody would actually that that kids would still
like be surrounded by that kind ofchaos and then make fun of the way
you're running. Oh my god.So then I would like run in gym
class with my hand over my facelike it was, I would run like
this. But I think that kindof like darkness started to zeep into my

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life, and I veered away frombeing like a theater kid to still being
interested in performing in the arts,but not having that like brightness of a
theater kid, if that makes sense. Yeah, did those did the other
kids annoy you? Like the othertheater kids? Were they just like a
nuisance? Or did you did youfucking hate them? Like at what point?

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I mean, at any at anypoint, like before that term where
you're just like, I'm not likethese other lunatics. No, no,
I was. I was like,I love them. Let's singing baby,
that was you were all in.I always feel like theater I always feel
like theater culture is like a littlecultish. Don't do you feel like that?
Yeah, it's like any these peoplelike they all I mean, they

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all hang out together and they allfuck each other, and it's like that,
it's just like this weird kind ofclosed loop cult. I've done.
Um, I've only like a coupletimes have been invited to perform on like
variety shows where um, it's likein an improv theater and they're like,
you'll do a little stand up andthen we'd love for you to do some

(21:42):
like sketches and stuff with us,and you're like, okay, cool,
And then you go and rehearse withthese people and you're like, who the
fuck are these people? Like whatdo you guys do? Like there is
there is a reason I haven't metany of you anywhere yet, and it's
because you are in this weird it'slike that movie The Village, that m
Night Shamalin movie. It's like,oh, what is happening? It is?

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Yeah, theater people. Now,I'm like they really totally they they
irked me now, But I haveto admit, until I was in high
school, I love them. Idid. Yeah, what At what point
was there some was there like aninciting incident that made you completely pivot where
you're just like, this is I'mnot going to do this anymore. Was
it like a Cary moment where theypoured pigs blood all over you or what

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happened? You know? I thinkI just didn't have the confidence to do
it. Anymore. I just likedidn't feel like a confident person. M
well, that's a shame well wayto bring way to bring us down now,
I'm kidding. Uh well, therewas I thought this was the darkest
hour. Come ye, Jesus,I mean, let's not stay away from
realism a little bit. What um? What like? What made that happen?

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Was it just like did you didyou activate where you became self where?
And you're like, oh, Idon't feel like I'm good at this
or I don't like it. No, when you're like seriously bullied when you're
like fourteen, and then your wholesense of self, You're like, I
can't do anything. You could belike the most talented person ever, but
it just makes you feel like shit. Yeah, and so you just kind

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of came out of it sort oflike I don't want to do this because
of the you know, the hateor the criticism or anything you were dealing
with at the time. You couldn'teven you couldn't even enjoy it at that
point. I just felt too insecureto partake in it. And then like
later I started like taking acting classesthat were in theater. It was just
like straight acting, and I starteddoing like straight acting, and then I

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feel like that led into comedy.Yeah, then so you make the switch
to comedy. How old are youwhen you do that? Twenty one?
What hell old am I now?No? Twenty three? Oh? Okay,
twenty three? Okay twenty six then? Or twenty seven are twenty seven?

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Six? Okay? Twenty six?Cool? So you're still very new
and but you wouldn't know it.I don't feel like you project like a
three year comic at all. Andthat's not just me trying to like jerk
you off. It's just like somepeople you can sort of tell their years
in their delivery or their style.But I wouldn't say there's any sort of
like lack of confidence. I mean, did you feel that immediately restored when

(24:23):
you started doing stand up? Didyou start feeling, oh, this is
a place where I can actually feelconfident in myself again. Definitely. And
I feel like I understood how togrow with stand up, like I understood
how to work towards being better LikeI I don't mean to sound like a
dick, but I fucking worked myass off, Like there's not a day

(24:47):
that I didn't try to go toan open mic or fucking anything, So
I liked that with stand up itwas straightforward, how you can get better,
just do it, Just get upas much as you can. Yeah,
there's a little bit more of ameritocracy or almost like a an apprenticeship
to comedy where it's like, youknow, if you put in your time
and hours, you will get betterand people will recognize it, so,

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you know, ultimately, yeah,I think definitely more than acting right.
I mean, I'm sure there arestill parts in comedy, you know,
for you where you're just like,oh, what the how the fuck did
that person get that? Versus orlike how did I you know, we
all have those moments, but Ithink it's far less than acting right right,
Like there are there are way moremoments in that world. I'm sure

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in the theater world or the actingworld where you're just like this seems completely
arbitrary or doesn't make any sense,or there's no correlation to hard work equaling
success, whereas with stand up it'slike the only way to get good at
it is to do it repetitively andto work it writing and to work it,
you know, doing different stuff.And also thank you for saying that

(25:56):
you're You're very sweet thank you forthe kind of words about what you said.
I don't sound like it seem likeyou're done. No, No,
not at all. No. Ifyou would have told me you were doing
it for ten years, I wouldhave believed you. Um. But some
of that, so much of thatis just comfort on stage. There is
this there's this quality about female comicsthat I fucking hate. And I'm not
a I'm not a women aren't funnyguy, because I think there are some

(26:17):
women that are incredibly funny, soI'm not one of those. But like,
there is this sort of desperate oflike please like me energy that a
lot of female comics have. Umor it's like almost show tunesy where they're
obviously performing like and then I waslike this and it's like, oh,
stop presenting your material, just doit, you know what I mean.

(26:37):
And so but you don't have thatlike you're very you're delivery and everything's very
natural. You seem very comfortable onstage. But I felt that way.
I felt that way early too,Like I did music for a lot of
years before I was UM, beforeI was doing stand up, and so
I transitioned from being on stage andum, you know, playing guitar and

(26:59):
being in bands like doing stand up, so there was no there was no
like crowd fear or anything for mein the beginning from being a performer of
another kind before that. And soI think once you do that, like
once you kind of get over thatfear of performing or whatever, then you
know, if you're transitioning into somethingelse that's you know, another kind of
performance, then you don't have toworry about like that. You sort of

(27:22):
like get that edge over other comediansvery early because you don't have that like
that, that sort of fear ofbeing in front of people totally. I
think I think stage presence is sucha big part of it. It's it's
your writing and it's your stage presence. That's what it is. That's that's
great. Yeah, I mean,um, there are some people that are

(27:45):
all stage presence in no writing andthat's not good either, but but there
yeah, I mean I agree.And it's just about comfort, Like you
have to feel like you're watching somebodywho is comfortable, Like if they if
they're uncomfortable, you're uncomfortable. Andthen if they're uh, if they're then
layering in material that's also going topush you too uncomfortable places yeah, it's

(28:06):
not gonna work at all. LikeI found, part of the reason I
get away with a lot of whatI say on stage and I don't get
away with it on Twitter is becauseon stage you can see my big,
dumb, smiling face and you canknow that I'm fucking around, whereas on
Twitter people are just like this manis a Nazi, you know what I
mean, Like, um, so, yeah, it's like it's it's a

(28:26):
whole different it's a whole different medium, right of like doing stuff on the
internet versus doing it live. Andthen you know how that kind of you
know, how that kind of ebbsand flows and how people react to it.
I mean, it's it's interesting whenyou were like I bombed my first
time, When did you when didyou feel like you first killed? Like,
when did you walk off and gookay, Like I I executed everything,

(28:47):
it went well, I feel goodabout it. How long before that
happened? I actually I don't havea distinct memory of the first time that
happened. Oh doesn't happen yet,that's great. I mean, no,
it's happened. I just don't Idon't know the first time it happened.
I don't know Yeah, it's it'sfun and we all run into those people

(29:11):
that are like a fucking killed andit's like, yeah, you did,
Okay, it wasn't. I feellike, you know, it's interesting what
you say about being able to hideon stage, because I was actually just
thinking about this yesterday. I okay, I recently went through a breakup,
right, And I talk about whenI talk, I feel like okay about
it, So I feel like Ican talk about it on stage and the
audience isn't uncomfortable. But there aretimes that I've gone through breakups and I've

(29:33):
talked about it on stage and Iwasn't okay, so the audience did not
laugh. Yeah, they can tellthat you're still sort of raw from it
and it's a little fragile. Soit's very much about like whatever you're feeling,
they feel, and I think that'svery cool. Yeah, I mean
I would agree with that for sure. And I can definitely tell there are

(29:53):
times like when I first started,I did a lot of like all black
clubs or nightclubs or bars, andand I remember there were times where just
sort of like based off the audienceor things that happened where I was like,
Okay, you know what am ILike, it would make me maybe
a little unconfident or you know,I would I would be a little unsure

(30:14):
about how I was gonna open becauseI'd be like, Oh, I'm gonna
open with this joke, and thenI would watch like an audience member just
fucking destroy the dude in front ofme, or to do two people in
front of me. I'm like oh, and then I would feel a little
unsure, and then I would immediatelybe like, what the fuck am I
gonna open with? And then Iwould then sometimes I would be like,

(30:36):
I'll just stick with what I wasgonna do, but I would have like
a lack of confidence, and theaudience would see through that right away,
and it's like it's like it's likean animal smelling blood, you know what
I mean, where they're just like, oh, we're gonna kill this motherfucker.
And then I realized, like,no matter what you're gonna do,
you have to like kick them inthe mouth with it, and if you
do that, you'll be fine.Even if it's like not the right joke

(30:59):
or the best joke, You're gonnabe far better off doing that than you
know, going up and being alittle timid or a little trepidacious about like
what you're going to open with,or what you're going to start with,
or how you're going to get intoit because black audiences in Latino audiences,
the the leash is very very short, Like it's very short for how you
know how far they're going to letyou go before they're like, Yo,

(31:22):
get the mother fuck off stage,you know what I mean? Like I've
had I've seen that happen. I'veseen that happen almost instantaneously at a couple
of the shows I did. Idid like a casino riverboat in Indiana,
like Gary Indiana. It was likean all black show and the fucking host
got booted off the stage. Iwas like, oh god, this is

(31:42):
not going to be a good showat all. Oh my god, that's
insane. Gary Indiana makes me thinkof that song. You know that song
see in musical Thanner. Now,okay, forget about it, No tell
me, no edit it in lateryou'll look it up. I won't.

(32:04):
Oh man, Well, so Imean you said you talked about going through
breakups and stuff. I mean,it's it sounds like that's happened quite a
bit for you. Is that isthat like, uh is that like I
don't even remember what that feels like. I've been with the same person now
for ten years and I'm just like, breakups. What's that? What do
you still talk to people? Howdo you stay in a relationship for that
long? Please tell me? Doyou give up? You just you just

(32:29):
give up. You just go thisas good as it's ever gonna be for
me, and then you just go, yeah, that's I'm done. You
just don't. It's just it's likeI said this on the Babylon b podcast
where I was like, it's notthat like it's perfect. It's not that
it's perfect. It's just you justgo like everyone else is way worse than
this person, and I can't.It's almost like I can't even I feel

(32:51):
like, uh, do you everwatch shawshank Redemption? I haven't. Okay,
So I feel like I'm institutionalized inthe sense like some people have been
in prison so long that they wouldlike commit a crime to not go back
into the real world because they justdon't know how to function right, Like
the outside world is so different fromwhat it was when they went on the
inside. And that's how I feelabout being in a relationship. Now where

(33:13):
it's just like, listen, I'mten years in and I didn't even know.
I wouldn't even know what to dowith myself out there in the free
world. So I'd rather just stayhere in prison, where I know the
terrain, where it's safe. Wellare you married? No? No,
But we're practice. I mean we'vebeen together, we're practicing. No,
we're practicing to say we're practically married. No, we're I think we're as

(33:35):
practiced at being married as you can. Why don't you get married? Uh,
there's no. I mean, wehave no assets to protect. That's
the real reason. I mean.And also it's sort of like an arbitrary
thing. Like my family's all onthe East coast. She doesn't really talk
to a lot of her family,and so you know, it's like who
would we have that ceremony for ourselves? Like, there's no there's no point

(33:57):
to it. So you know,if like we had, if we had,
like if we owned a home oryou know, any sort of like
a business or something anything that waslike of significant value, we might do
it to protect it from the government. But there's just really no point to
it. And also, like Ihave this very I have this very sort
of weird feeling about you know,monogamy and monogamous relationships and things where it's

(34:23):
just like it's there's such a strangeconcept of like ownership involved in all of
that, where it's just like ifshe wakes up tomorrow and it's just like
I'm out, Like she should beable to do that, and I would
never want to create more barriers forher doing that, Like I would never
want her to wake up and go, well, I would leave, but
we own a house, or wehave kids, or we have all these

(34:43):
other things, you know, allthe things that kept my parents in relationships
way longer than they should have been, And you know, I would much
rather not have those things. Soyou know that there's total freedom that way.
The only way she stays with meis if she wants to be here,
or if she he's also given up. I like that. I like

(35:04):
that. I think, yeah,you only want you only want both peal
to be in the relationship if theygenuinely want to be, not because they
feel like they're accountable for something else, Yeah, exactly, or they're responsible
for you or you know, becauseall that stuff does is breed resentment,
you know what I mean, Likeand so you know, and and things
are very reciprocal in our relationship,Like she she helps out financially, she

(35:27):
does you know, all the things. Like everything's very equal between the two
of us. You know, she'svery supportive. She's stuck buying me through
some real hard shit and real badtimes as well as good times. So
you know, when you find somebodythat can like barrel through shit with you
and and like deal with some reallike public fallout, like what people don't

(35:49):
talk about with cancel culture so muchis like the collateral damage. So you
know, it's like one thing ifI tweet something that people don't like and
they go after my jobs, orthey go after my agency, or they
blow up my production company's email orwhatever. But like when it bleeds down
to the point where they're reaching outto places that you're significant other works and

(36:09):
trying to get them fired for beingwith you, then it's like then that
ship gets out of control. Andso you know, I'm grateful to her
for enduring all that when it happened, and enduring it when and inevitably will
happen again at some point, youknow what I mean. Like, if
you're it's pretty obvious it's so funny. I don't know if you've ever seen
this on like my Twitter and stuff, but my show ended three years ago,

(36:34):
and to this day, if Itweet something that's offensive, people will
literally start messaging Food Network and beinglike, cancel his show simply because I've
left iiO and now they're like,so idiots who don't even google me to
see that the show went off theair in twenty eighteen will go fire him
and it's like, yeah, I'mnot there anymore. Good luck with that.
And I also want to start puttingthings in my bio that I never

(36:58):
did so that people will start tryingto get me fire from jobs I've never
even had. That's a great idea. Yeah, that's what we all should
do. We should all put likeI am the showrunner of Blackish, or
like I am the second ad onInsecure, cancel me. I want to
start, you know, I wantto start promoting that stuff, and then

(37:22):
people can message a bunch of peoplethat have never heard of me to fire
me from jobs I've never had.Yeah, seriously, I mean, I
really hate I hate cancel culture somuch and I could go on a rant
about it, but I feel likeit'd be a waste of my breath.
Yeah, well, as a whitewoman, that's very divergent for you,
because cancel culture seems to be whitewomen's shit. They love it, can't

(37:44):
get enough of it. I thinkit's kind of similar to like if you
go on Instagram and someone has anice quote in their bio, they're an
asshole. And it's the same thing. It's like, if you're posting about
the time that you volunteer at afucking homeless shelter, you're a piece of
shit because you need to prove tothe world that you're not a piece of

(38:04):
shit, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah, I've always said
like people whom you know, peoplewho do that stuff in public, you
know, or do it very publicly, or probably not doing it from an
honest place, you know what Imean. It's like the it's like the
Kylie Jenner thing. You know,she's like very like her and her sisters

(38:24):
and stuff were sort of very vocalpolitically during the election cycle, and then
like her makeup artist gets into acar accident and it's like sixty grand for
the surgery or the medical bills orwhatever. This woman's worth like nine hundred
million dollars and she's like, wegotta go fund me going for my makeup
the person who literally makes me fuckable, so that you guys give me all

(38:45):
your money. She's hurt and Icould just pay for it myself, but
why would I. I'll let youschlubs do it. And it's like,
you know, and the fucked upthing is is people will do it.
But then you know, in sixmonths, she's gonna she's to have some
charity that you're supposed to believe thatshe cares about when she had the opportunity
to take care of So it's thesame thing with like Lady Gaga's dog Walker.

(39:08):
Did you see that story? Likethis guy gets shot walking her dogs
and she's like half a million forthe dogs, no questions asked? Is
the first headline not I'm gonna takecare of this guy for the rest of
his life. Just get me mydogs back. How's half a million down?
Yeah? And really it's it's awful. And on top of that,
I feel like it creates like afurther divide. There's no conversation, like

(39:30):
if you disagree with something someone says, you don't need to isolate them further.
I think it's just like a nastydivide that is spreading hate like within
this country, and it makes mesad. Yeah, it's it's uh,
you know, and it's I justthink it's like people who you know.
I think the whole troll sort ofcancel culture mentality is weird. Like there's

(39:51):
definitely a psychology behind it. There'sdefinitely a I don't think what you do
is special or I don't think you'respecial or should be able to do it,
So fuck you, and I'm gonnamake sure that you can't or I'm
gonna make sure that you don't youknow what I mean. And so don't
you feel like people also do itto get followers for themselves. Yeah,
of course they're trying to. They'retrying to like hijack your platform. Yeah,

(40:13):
exactly. They're like, oh,if I dunk on this person,
I'll get all of their following.Though all of their followers will look at
me. I'll like, I feellike it's twisted, like they're literally just
trying to get at whatever. It'sa waste of my brother. Well,
it's the same. It's the samething with like hecklers in a show or
a chat room for instance. There'sit's the same thing with that because people

(40:35):
literally think like I'm going to fuckingget the comedian, I'm gonna say some
shit, and then like, whatis this person think in their head the
audience is going to hoist you upon their shoulders and carry you around and
suck your dick in the parking lotlike that never happens. You're gonna get
walked out by security and you're gonnalook like a fucking idiot, and then
you're gonna shoot up the post officein a month. No, it's seriously,

(40:55):
it creates such a divide between peoplelike I would be happy to sit
down and have a conversation with anyonethat disagrees with something that I say.
I just don't want to be antagonized. Yeah, I mean some of it
comes with the territory. Like youhave to know that you know people are

(41:16):
going to, you know, tryto shoot on what you do. If
what you're doing is significant in anyway, they're going to be people that
don't like it, you know whatI mean, like or that have to
vocalize that they don't like it,and you know, it's just part of
it. It just comes with theterritory. I mean, yes, you
know, if if it didn't matterat all, it would be ignored,

(41:36):
It wouldn't be you know, peoplewouldn't be protesting it or trying to,
you know, interfere with what you'redoing. So you know, it's um
the sign that you're doing something rightin a way. Yeah, I mean,
and it's it's also like if youhave to think of it this way,
like if what I'm doing sucks somuch and you're spending all day commenting

(41:57):
on it, what does that sayabout you? Yeah? Like I mean,
I mean, dude, Like it'sone thing if I'm doing a thing
or if I'm doing stand up orwhatever and people don't like it, But
if, like you, all you'redoing is commenting on it, then that's
even worse, right, Like,go and go find something you enjoy.
It's like, you know, asmuch as I like dark comedy, I
don't think I'm a dark person.And that's one thing I wanted to bring

(42:19):
up with you because I kind offelt like I watched you on What's the
Garbage podcast? Yeah, and it'sfunny because like you didn't really have like
this tragic story of a childhood orsomething, even though they tried to,
like paint it that way, butyou didn't really have like this tragic upbringing
that sort of like steered you tocomedy. It seems like for the most
part, you were pretty normal kidgrowing up and you know, and then

(42:45):
you know, you find your wayinto comedy or whatever else. And for
me, it was kind of thesame thing, whereas like I didn't have
like this weird, tragic, darkupbringing or anything like that. Like my
parents divorced very young, which isI think kind of normal from my age
group or generation. But you know, like I'm generally a pretty positive person,
Like I don't spend time on thingsI don't like, which that's a

(43:07):
weird thing that people do, Likethey obsess on spending time on things that
they hate, and it's like,what a fucking miserable existence, you know
what I mean. Like it doesn'tmake sense to me to invest your time
and shit that you don't enjoy,you know what I mean. And I
think I think it's like a combinationof things. People don't have purpose in
their own lives. They don't evenhave hobbies that they enjoy. They don't

(43:30):
have you know, friends or lovedones or people to spend time with,
so it's like, you know,they get obsessed with other things or they
lock into other things. I mean, do you find it's the same way
for you. Do you think you'remore of a like a positive energy person.
I think I'm a very sweet andpositive person. And it's interesting because
I do. I think I'm areally good person. I think I have

(43:54):
tattoos, I have this whole motorcyclething, but I am a very like
I am a very gentle person.Yeah yeah, and and um, I
mean there's this thing anytime I findout soons a comic, I think in
my head, Okay, what happenedto them? Right? Like that's you

(44:14):
know, it's like the default,that's the defense about the Yeah. But
and and there are different levels andthey're also I have done a lot of
like I have been in therapy sinceI was sixteen, Like I have.
I want to talk about that becauseyou, by the way, you snuck
that in on the Garbage podcast andnobody said anything. And I was like,

(44:35):
challenge her on her therapy. Shesaid therapist, and nobody said anything.
But I think doing that work onyourself. It's like you can have
any type of obstacle in your life, and if you can work through it,
then you don't need to be boundinto that darkness, or you also
don't need to fun. I'm avery open person about my life, but

(44:57):
there are also things that I havean evault that I'm not gonna just fucking
share on YouTube for like views andlikes. You know, yeah, do
you find do you? I meanit sounds like you have a pretty positive
outlook on therapy. I guess Idon't, um, but I don't do
it. So I mean, like, I guess, how do you feel
like it's benefited you? How doyou feel like it has um? I

(45:20):
mean you you said you've been doingit since you were sixteen? Was there
was it your parents splitting up thatkind of got you into that or that
led you there? Or was theresomething else? Was it the bullying?
No? I have I have reallybad anzi I had. I have OCD.
I've really bad OCD. And whenI was sixteen, I said to
my parents, I was like,this is so bad. I like can't

(45:40):
concentrate in school, I can't focus. I need to like go on meds
or something. So and did youyeah, oh, okay, Well there's
the end of that story. Andit was great, UM and then and
then the therapy was part of thator part of the treatment. Yeah,

(46:00):
I have the same therapist, sooh wow, talk about fucking job security.
Get them while they're young. No, he is, he's he's you
know what, it's I haven't seenhim every week for that long, but
like if we've been in contact andhe's so supportive, it feels really good

(46:21):
to have like this person that likeevery time I feel doubt about comedy,
he's like no, He's like,you're fucking doing this, And I'm like
all right, Yeah, it's gotto be good to have somebody in your
corner that's kind of pep talking youand doesn't really have any angle. I've
always I guess the difficult thing forme is like I'm such a skeptic from

(46:42):
the perspective of like, well,this person is taking money from me,
and they're going to continue to takemoney from me. So I've always been
like, I don't see, Idon't see they're ever being sort of like
an organic place of completion, right, It's like a thing that's designed to
never be done financially speaking, andso you know, it's like unless you're

(47:05):
sort of committed to it being aforever part of your life. I don't
know. I just always feel likeit's sort of every every time I see
like therapists on television shows or movies, they're always like, all right,
well we'll talk about this in ournext session, another two hundred dollars away
from now, and you know,so for me, I've always felt like
it just seems like a racket andit's very tough for me to feel like

(47:27):
the person, it's very tough forme to trust that that person would ever
be trying to steer me towards anythingother than the next visit. Well,
I do feel like they're a talkthere, Like so they're talk therapists that
I've had that have been like,I feel like we've worked through this.
Do you feel like we've worked throughthis? And like have said like,
I think we're done. And Ithink that there are therapists that do that.
And you know, if you're workingthrough a specific issue or you feel

(47:52):
like you're specifically in a dark placeand then you find a place of stability,
then there are people that say,Okay, I think we've worked through
this, and I think I thinkyou don't need to come in unless you
want to. Yeah, I've neverseen that, So it warms my heart
to know that it's ever happened ever. Um, but that's good. That's

(48:16):
yeah. And then but then sois your therapist a different kind? You
said there are people that do that? And then as yours different as yours
sort of more like a like alife partner. No, I mean there's
like there's like talk therapists, andthere's like psychiatrists. So it's I think
with meds it's kind of on you. You're like, do I want to

(48:37):
be on meds? Or do Inot want to be on meds? Got
it? I see, So it'smore it's a different thing. Yeah,
do you do you find, um, do you find the meds help you
creatively or do you feel like theythey hurt you creatively? Have you ever
have you ever experienced like trying todo comedy or write comedy off of them
or have you been on them sinceyou've There was a year that I didn't

(48:58):
take anti to pressence and I hadpanic attacks like every fucking day. So
yeah, we're good. I canimagine that's uh, that would be that
would not make comedy fun or easyor any of that, or even living
in New York, I don't knowhow people with anxiety live in New York
without being on medication. Yeah,I just I think it needs to be

(49:20):
normalized more. Honestly I have.I actually don't talk about this on podcasts
at all, so oh well we'retredging into here we go. But I
do think that it needs to benormalized more like it's uh. I feel
like female comics especially, we'll talkabout mets and they'll be like, as
like a punchline and they'll be likeand my zoolofs ha ha. Yeah,
but I don't think it should betalked about like that. I think it's

(49:43):
like, it's okay to fucking it'sokay to deal with your mental health.
It's not. Isn't it weird?Isn't it weird? How Like, um,
you know, I'm not somebody whodrinks or anything, and it's not
like I'm puritanical about it. Ijust don't. But isn't it weird?
How much like getting fun up anddrinking and doing drugs or coke or heroin
or whatever is sort of glorified,but doing like being on prescription drugs is

(50:07):
considered dorky or nerdy or or somethingto be embarrassed about, right, like,
I feel like if I I don'treally drink at all or do anything,
but I feel like if I wereto get fucked up with my friends,
that would be fine if I were, but if I am to tell
a friend like, hey, yeah, like I take this antidepressant, it's
embarrassing and I don't like that.Yeah, um, when they're both coping

(50:30):
mechanisms, you know, yeah,And I guess I would just be like,
well, don't feel that way,but I can't. I can't just
tell you not of course. Yeah, but it's like, but it is
weird that people kind of put youin that place, or at least that
you're made to feel like that's sortof embarrassing or weird to talk about.
But it's really not. I mean, it's I don't. I mean,
it's easy for me to say itshouldn't be because it's not my thing,

(50:50):
but um, I don't know,I don't. I don't view it that
way. I don't view it aslike, you know, it's it's It's
no different than people telling you thattheir supplements are important, or that their
vitamins are important, or that theirfucking diet is important. There's some people
like I went vegan and I've neverfelt it. And it's like you're like,
I take something to take, youknow, to like so that I
don't have panic attacks every day,and they're like, shouldn't do that,

(51:13):
bro, You're like destroying your bodyand you're like, yeah, it's not
that, it's not it's no differentthan what you're doing. But or like
stoners, you know, I feellike weed is kind of an antidepressant.
But I will say I feel likeone reason that I don't talk about it
is like I don't want to victimizemyself in any way, and I feel
like being able to talk about itwith while empowering yourself is like a very

(51:34):
I feel like I really need tothink about how I can frame it in
a way that's empowering and it's notlike self pitying in any way, you
know what I mean? Yeah,well, I think just like I don't
know, it's kind of hard,Like I guess it's kind of hard for
me to think of as a comedian, like how you would how you would
do that, because it's also toughto like I almost feel like to set
out to make something empowering is toughtoo, because then it almost seems contrived

(51:59):
or like pain or weird or whatever. Like then it's like, Okay,
well are you doing that now.It's like almost like has the adverse effect
of you try to make it empowering, but if it seems to premeditate it,
then it actually seems like worse.It has the opposite effect where people
people either think of you as victimizingyourself or trying to hold yourself out on
a pedestal. So it's kind oftough, like but as with everything,

(52:22):
and I haven't always been smart aboutthis myself, but with everything, it's
like, you got to put itinto the work. And when people have
told me that in the past,they've been right. Like I've had people
be like, yeah, just justput it into your material, put it
into the content, and it willwork itself out organically. And and if
you're doing it the right way,people respond to it the way that you
want them to. But it's easiersaid than done, Like that takes time,

(52:45):
and it takes you know, it'ssort of like, how do I
make this funny in a way thatyou know, people can relate to it
and not pity me or not feelbad about it or whatever. And I
think the biggest way to do thatwith anything is just in how you present
it yourself or whatever, like youknow, it's it's funny, like I
do a lot of material about sortof like um, you know, being

(53:08):
okay, being overweight or being okayyou know, sort of like not like
sort of rejecting the traditional like thisis what handsome is or this is what
like I don't care. I justdon't care. It's like it's not interesting
to me. Like if I ifbelieve me, if my self worth were
wrapped up and being some sort ofterminator fuck machine, I'd never leave the

(53:30):
gym. But it's just never beenthat way for me. And I just
think I think so much of likehow you normalize it is just in how
you present yourself and how you carryyourself. So like you know, I'm
and that takes time to figure outhow to do that on stage because especially
early, we're concerned about like doesthis kill and does it make me look

(53:50):
cool? And I think once youget to a point as a comedian where
you stopped caring about whether or notsomething makes you look cool, that's when
you do your best work. LikeI stopped caring about looking cool or being
I remember I used to be likewhat jacket am I gonna wear on stif
Like I cared that much to thepoint where I was like, what am
I gonna wear? That's gonna likefun? Maybe I'll have a mohaw a
mohawk for a while. I worelike Sean John track suits on stage early

(54:15):
on, where it's like I'll bethe white guy who gets black culture and
I'll make sure everybody knows it.Like I had all of these sort of
contrived ideas of like how I wasgonna be cool, and none of that
matters. Like it's so stupid.It's just such a dumb It's just such
a dumb thing to care about.Is like presenting yourself. Just be a
I'm an idiot. Be an idiot, like I'm this is what you get.

(54:37):
And you know, I think themore sort of like organic or naturally
you're about it, the better it'sreceived. And then you have the freedom
to kind of open up about differentthings about you know, anxiety or depression
or whatever you're dealing with. Yeah, I completely agree. I think I
used to. I similarly used tobe like, oh, I have a

(54:58):
show to night that a lot ofpeople are gonna be in. I'm gonna
wear this, and I do worsewhen I when I wear something nice.
I do the best when I weara fucking sneakers, jeans and a sweatshirt.
That is when I kill right,like when there's really little thought or
energy put into it. And bythe way, you're not the only one
who've ever done that. I can'ttell you how many times I've seen I've

(55:19):
done a show like I used todo Bringers, and Bringers are really big
in LA And when I first movedto LA in two thousand and nine,
I did a lot of Bringer showsand there were a lot of like similar
to your story, like actresses whoare getting into comedy and they're like in
their first few months and they wouldgo and they would wear like a full
dress and you're like, oh,this is this is not gonna go well

(55:40):
for you, and then you knowthey're just bombing in a dress. Has
to be the worst fucking thing thatanyone can ever experience, because it's like
you can't even pretend that you're nottrying, because your outfit is like this
is me trying, you know whatI mean. So if you're eating shit
in a dress, by the way, I'm going to wear a dress on
Friday Show. So I've decided nownot comfortable. That's the thing. It's

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like, well, see the thingis some people that's like comfortable for them
to wear a dress. Some peoplethat's like their every day I don't know.
My style personally is like I've neverbeen like a dress up kind of
person. Yeah, so I'm notcomfortable in heels, Like I feel like
not myself. Some people might,you know. So it's like whatever makes

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you feel the most like you ishow you're going to do the best.
Yeah. I preferred to wear anapron and only that. Yeah, that's
how I most feel like. Iprefer to be naked on a motorcycle.
That's yeah, that's your vibe.I grew up on motorcycles. Um.
I spent a lot of time onthem as a kid. My parents,

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my mom and my stepdad, fromlike age like thirteen on. That's maybe
earlier than that, but like thesummer I was thirteen was like the biggest
summer where we went we went onthe rides and we went camping with all
the bikers and stuff. I didthat for like an entire summer. There
are pictures of me. I'll findone in send it to you. But
there there are pictures of me withlike my denim vest that has all my

(57:14):
patches in it, my colors ifyou will, I had. I had
little teenage colors that I wore.Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty ridiculous.
And I had like a fucking dorag that I would wear under my
helmet. Um. Yeah, Iwas like, I was on the back
of a motorcycle for like an entiresummer, which in hindsight, being as
a thirteen year old boy on theback of another man's motorcycle very It's amazing.

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I came out of that heterosexual it'svery shocking. But I liked.
I was into the leather and thefucking day I was like, this is
me. And I couldn't name likeevery motorcyle, every Harley ever invented up
until like nineteen ninety nine or wheneverthat would have been. Yeah, like
I knew, but I like knewbikes and that was like my thing.
And then I just like a yearlater, grew out of it. I

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started playing music, and I didn'tget when I was thirteen, Natalie,
who you want now at thirteen?Yeah, No, I grew out of
it at thirty yeah, I waslike, I'm done with this now,
I'm now I'm a punk musician,right, Like, uh yeah, it
was no, but um no,I listen, my stepdad at the time
was like in his mid to latethirties, and that dude never grew out

(58:20):
Like that's you know, that's whohe is. But yeah, you go,
you go through those Listen, You'reyou're not a theater kid anymore,
right, you grew out of that. So no, I'm just me.
It's I'm I'm I'm growing out ofeverything. Yeah, um but yeah,
no, it was. That wasa weird. It was. No,
it was a fun summer for sure, because you know, you're just like
riding around the Midwest and going campingin different places, and like, you

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know, motorcycle groups are very muchlike families, Like it became like this
bit like I remember my birthday thatsummer was like all bikers at it and
and there there was kind of likea fun when you're thirteen, Like being
part of a fucking motorcycle group ispretty cool. It's it's pretty fucking badass
to a thirteen year old boy tobe like I'm fucking hanging out without laws,

(59:05):
you know what I mean. Butbut you know, it was like
it was it was a like thatwas you know some kids have like a
cowboy phase. Mine was like abiker fit. Like I went through that
where I was like, I'm fuckingdude, I had a Yankees fizz.
My Neat's name was Matsue Kid elevenor matsweek at fifty five that's his number.
Oh wow, but a fucking Yankeesphase that was my Do you so

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you were like a thirteen year oldkid wearing like jerseys and shit, not
that before thirteen, but yeah,okay, oh so you were like full
jerseys, ball cap, no,not baseball for like a hot minute.
Yeah, I don't know why.I'm on, dad, Do you like
me? Now? Oh? Isee there you go. No, I'm

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kidding, I'm kidding. Do youhave a Do you have a good relationship
with your dad? I do,and he likes the Mets, So it
was a total joke. No,no, that But that's an interesting thing.
I always ask that question because I'vealways found that like the women I
get along with the most, notjust in like my relationships, but friendships
and everything else, they all havegood relationships with their dads. Yeah,
and the ones that are fucking unbearableto deal with. Do not. And

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it's such a it's such a likea finite thing that is so predict like
so predictable. It's like, tosome degree always it's always a factor,
Like it's always a factor. Ifa girl has a terrible relationship with her
father, it sort of manifests inso many parts of her personality, so

(01:00:37):
many parts of her, you know, just the way she interacts with people,
not just men, but people ingeneral, the way she presents herself,
the things she's interested in, versusthe flip side. I feel like
women who have good relationship with theirfathers it presents herself the same way,
but just much I think, muchhealthier. And I also think that women

(01:00:57):
have good relationships with their dads havefor the most part, a better sense
of confidence or self assuredness, whereit's sort of like you're more like that
this is me. If you don'tlike it, go fuck yourself. I
did always feel like I was soclose with my dad growing up that I
felt like it was I didn't havethat thing when I was in high school

(01:01:21):
of like he's a guy, Idon't know how to talk to him because
I felt like guys and girls werethe same because of that, you know
what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's
um, I mean that's I thinkthat's healthy. That's a good thing.
That's it's so weird, Like,I don't know, I never had the
feeling I didn't know how to talkto either of my parents, like they

(01:01:43):
both you know. But I guessif I had, if I ever had
something to tell them that they wouldn'thave liked or wouldn't have agreed with,
like, that might have been adifferent situation. But I think before any
of that ever came up, Iwas much older, you know what I
mean. But like I can youknow, I can only imagine. The
only things I could think of thatlike would have been hard to talk to
my dad about was like if Iwas gay, then that might have been

(01:02:06):
you know, he was pretty vocalhow much he didn't want that to happen.
When I was a kid. Itwas almost like I joke about this
sometimes. It was almost like Ifelt like my dad tried to put up
like gay guardrails around me to makesure that like there were no possibilities of
that happening. And I just thinkback to like different experiences I had as

(01:02:28):
a kid where my dad would belike, he'd be like, no,
don't change. You don't change infront of other boys, like in the
locker room or whatever for sports,like you go on the stall, you
change by yourself, Like you don'tdo that. And now I look back
at his an adult, I'm justlike, Oh, this guy was afraid
I was gonna start sucking dick,Like why was he? So, I
don't know, I have no idea. Maybe that's how they did it when

(01:02:49):
he grew up. I don't know. You know, my dad's eighties,
so you know who. And hewas in the navy, so who knows
how many times he was he foundhimself in a gay situation that he didn't
expect. So he's like, thisis I feel like he was trying to,
um, trying to like protect mefrom the times that maybe he experienced
that when he was younger or somethinginteresting. Interesting. Yeah it's weird,

(01:03:12):
who knows, but but it wasso funny of like, um, you
know, like in his mind thatwas the worst thing I could have been,
you know what I mean? Like, and I guess that makes sense
when all of your brothers and sistershave already dealt with drug addiction or alcohol
addiction, and everybody works blue collarjobs and nobody really went to college,
and so you're just like, yeah, I mean, I guess, uh,

(01:03:35):
you know, if this is theworst thing that could happen, or
if all these other things have happened, at least they're not gay. You
know, I don't know. Idon't know what he was holding onto.
How I have. Um, Ihave an older brother on my dad's side,
and then two older sisters on mydad's side, and then I had
an older brother where we had thesame mom, different dads. But he
just died back in May. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah,

(01:03:59):
I mean, you know, hebattled with alcoholism his entire life,
and you know, it just itcatches up to you after a while.
And had a little bit like hadhad some bad He was also really big
into motorcycles and stuff, had acouple bad accidents, started to was like
on pain killers for a while andthen had some trouble getting off of them,

(01:04:19):
and like if you already have Oneof the things a lot of people
don't realize is like if you alreadyhave a bad liver from drinking, and
then later in life. You starttaking like opioid pain killers, the damage
that those due to your liver isso accelerant that I mean they basically said,
like before he passed away, thathe had the liver of somebody like

(01:04:40):
twice his age. And so youknow, he was forty three and passed
away in May, like two monthsafter like so newly forty three. He
had just turned forty three and passedaway from complications related to like liver failures.
So you know, it's like,uh, it's si. It's a
tough thing to um, you know, to think about in terms of like

(01:05:03):
just being that young, Like I'mthat's five years away from me now,
and you know that's uh, that'sright around the corner. But um,
yeah, so naturally, like youknow, because of that happening recently,
Um, you know, I spenta lot of time this past year with
my mom. She's been hanging outwith us for a while and then she
actually just went home a couple ofweeks ago, and um, and yeah,

(01:05:28):
but on my dad's side, likesame thing. Everyone has battled different
drug addictions or alcoholism in the pastor whatever, and so that's why that's
one of the main reasons I don'tdrink. I have like I have drink.
I have you know, had drinksand stuff at different times. But
honestly, like I think because Ididn't do it at a young age at
all and then waited so long,like my digestion can't handle it, Like,

(01:05:53):
I mean, I'll never forget.I was hanging out with some friends
it's probably ten years ago now,and they're like, just have a beer
with us, and I was like, all right, I'll have a year
and then literally, like my assholewas dry heaving for like two hours because
my stomach just couldn't handle. Ihad like a Newcastle, like a really
dark beer, and I couldn't fuckingdeal with it at all. And I

(01:06:14):
was just like, no, thisis fine. So it's like, you
know, I've gone this long myentire life at the time was like my
late twenties, Like I've gone thislong without being a drinker, I might
as well just not start, youknow, totally. Well, I'm sorry
to hear that. That's really awful. Yeah, I mean it's you know,
it's part it's just part of life. I mean, you know,
to be honest, it was itwas less difficult for me going through it

(01:06:39):
obviously than my mom. The moredifficult part was watching my mom go through
it, because she was staying withus when we found out. And so
I always tell people, like,one of the things that is impossible to
imagine is what it's like to watchyour parents lose a child. Yeah,
and I'll tell you it's like everyyou know, there's been there's obviously been

(01:07:00):
tough times throughout my entire life,and you go through those times where you're
like, maybe I don't want tobe here anymore, Maybe I you know,
maybe I'm ready to check out.And then when you actually see your
parents react to what it's like tolose a kid, you really don't ever
have another suicidal thought in your lifebecause well if you and if you do,
you're an incredibly selfish, fucking horribleperson, because there is nothing more

(01:07:23):
catastrophic than watching your parents lose akid. It is the hardest thing I've
ever had to experience. And so, you know, like it was that
was brutal, but from my perspective, like this didn't happen overnight, Like
this has been building since we wereyou know, he's six years older than
me. It's been building since Iwas a kid, and you know,

(01:07:44):
you kind of it's kind of likeone of those things where it's like you
sort of could see it happening,you know, many many years, so
I wasn't surprised. And because Iwasn't a drinker and he was a very
heavy drinker and stuff, we justweren't very close. We always we lived
in different parts of the country forthe last you know, fifteen years or
so, and so, you know, I didn't really see him a lot
or spend a lot of time withhim, so we weren't very close.

(01:08:05):
And then our you know, myparents split up when I was seven,
so we didn't live together for alot of my childhood either, so we
were kind of as strange, youknow, throughout different points of our childhood
and then definitely through adulthood because wewere just into very different things. But
you know, the hardest part ofit was watching my mom go through and
not not particularly like losing him myself. And yeah, it's just you know,

(01:08:28):
that's a that that kind of changedmy whole perspective. I joke about
this now, but it's like itputs a lot of pressure on you to
stay alive when you watch how badit is for your parents. Wh lose
a kid because you're like, gotfuck. Now I'm the only one left.
Now I gotta make and now Igotta survive, Like forget about making
it now, I just gotta live, like I gotta keep I gotta stay
alive. That's funny, Yeah,I mean like it's it does put a

(01:08:49):
lot of pressure on you to notdie, and so it's so funny.
I'll be like I'll like eat somethinglike I gotta like a chess pain.
My mom was like, you betterget that looked at. You better check.
That's like, no, it's inthe jet, and I'm sure it's
fine. Like I'm one of thosepeople. I never want to go to
the hospital. I never want to, Like, I like, if I
got shot, I'd i'd be googling, like how do you treat a bullet
wound from home without going to theLike I just don't. I hate the

(01:09:12):
fucking hospital. I hate doctors,and so you know, it's like one
of those things where um I Iyou know, I'll like try to treat
everything from home and that type ofstuff. So you know, when it
comes like health stuff, you know, losing a kid turns your parents into
like a total hypochondriac. And thenwhen you're like me and you never want
to go to the doctor. It'snot a good combination. It's interesting because

(01:09:35):
I'm an only child, so I'vefelt that pressure my whole life. Yeah,
where there's like you can't die,but also you'll never get to see
what it's like if you did.Yeah, that's a fucking horrible, gut
wrenching thing to experience, for sure. I can't imagine. Yeah, and
you never have to because if it'syou, you won't be around to see
it, so you know. Andthey say being an only child is in

(01:09:57):
a good thing. Yeah, butI'm sure. And they don't have kids
with anyone, Like, they don'thave kids from other marriages or anything.
I have three step brothers, butthey're they're not half brothers. They're they're
just through marriage. Yeah, soit's not even it's not even the same
thing. Yeah, they don't careabout them. Uh there's somebody else's responsible.

(01:10:18):
Well I didn't care about them.But it's not the same as it
being like your own child. Yeah, I would imagine. I don't care
about other people's children. Ever,there's no even even when I dated women
that had kids, I was justlike these are just fucking strangers to me.
I don't. There's no amount ofspending time with somebody else's kids when

(01:10:38):
people are like I love them likethey're my own children. No, you
don't, you can't. Just doesn'twork. There's one kid I used to
I lived in LA for a yearand I nanny this one kid, and
I still think about him. Ilove him. But I'm also I think
like I'm a very like I thinkI was put on this planet to be

(01:11:00):
like a mom. You think so, I do. Yeah, are you
a very mothering person? I amyeah. Are you a fixer? No,
No, I'm not. I justlike, for example, like I
have a dog, and like mywhole day is structured around my dog.
Okay, you know, elaborate.Well, I just make sure like he

(01:11:21):
gets to the park for like fortyfive minutes a day, like I sweat,
like I just love him, youknow what I mean. I feel
I'm just a very like loving nurturingI don't know. Maybe it's my hormones.
So you have dog hormones. Idon't know. I have Like I'm
ready. I'm like I'm ready tohave a fucking child. Oh you mean

(01:11:42):
because of like where you're at agerise biologically is like we don't have a
baby, so let's make this ababy. Yes, Like yeah, I'm
ready to have a fucking child.Okay, yeah that's not I've never had
that moment. Yeah, I've beenlike, yeah, I'm ready to go.
Like I don't know. Some peopleare like you'll get there eventually.
Good difference, and I don't know. I'm I'm thirty eight. My dad
had me when I was when hewas forty one. Um, and then

(01:12:04):
I was like the kid who hadan old dad. Yeah, there you
go, so and then like thatwas never fun. It was never fun
having the old dad growing up.It's just like yeah, i'll drop I'll
drop you off. I got droppedoff for everything there was my dad.
There was ever the only way mydad was ever going into a place to

(01:12:25):
meet as if there was people hewanted to fund, Like if there was
a woman in there there was likeoh she's got it, she had good
tits, then he would go in, uh and he would try to fuck
like a teacher or somebody. Butno, there was no you know,
at any point where my dad wasnot single. He I was getting dropped
off. You just I'll drop youoff, there was no going into to

(01:12:45):
mingle or chat with people or anyof that nonsense. Uh. You know,
my dad was pretty after my parentsdivorced, my dad was pretty laser
focused on playing music and getting pussyand then uh, and then he got
with who's my step mom now whenI was like thirteen, So from like
seven to thirteen he was on theDick Slinging war path. And then at
thirteen he settled down with the womanwho's been his wife now for many,

(01:13:10):
many years. And yeah, sodick Slinging war path. Yeah, you
know, we've all been there.Mine lasted about fifteen minutes in my twenties
and then beyond that, I've beengood. I cannot be the same person
for ten years. That is soimpressive. It's not, it's really not
it's impressive. It's it's impressive inthe sense that she's still here. I

(01:13:33):
don't know. I guess that's impressive, but no, um, yeah,
I don't know. It's just likeI've always said this, I think if
you are with somebody that you wouldbe friends with if you weren't romantically involved
with them, that's a big partof it. Like we actually enjoy hanging
out with each other, right right. Everyone says you ought to be friends

(01:13:54):
first, Well we were. Wewere friends for like six months beforehand,
and then we sort of like endedup dating through a trip because we just
found that, like we hated everythingabout other people, and every time we
would be annoyed with the people wewere dating, we would just come hang
out together and then it just sortof grew from there. So yeah,
it's um and then yeah, soit was like process of elimination. We're

(01:14:16):
like, ah, you're not asfucking horrible as everybody else, so I'll
just I'll pick you. It's notthat complicated though, I mean, you
know, it's just again, it'sgot to be somebody you like if you
were that is. It's like whenpeople say you gotta be friends first.
I think it's very simple as thisis, can you stand that person if
you take fucking out of the equationaltogether, Like if you can enjoy,

(01:14:38):
if you could want to be arounda person every day without fucking them,
Uh, then I think you'll befine. Then I think you'll that that
relationship has legs. That's a goodthat's a good point because eventually you're not
gonna want to fuck them. Anymore, you're gonna be disgusted by them.
They're gonna be disgusted by you.Um, it's gonna go from the point
of like where're like, I wantto suck your dick in the car on
the way home too, Like canyou change your shirt? Some of your

(01:15:00):
beard, Dan driff is on yourshirt and you're making dinner and I don't
want any part of you touching anythingthat's going anywhere near my body, And
then that becomes your existence and that'sfun too. So yeah, if you
can just sort of preview that partbefore you get with somebody, then you're
good to go and you're okay,then you're set. Do you have you

(01:15:23):
have anything exciting coming up that youwant to plug other than our show Friday
Together. I'm looking forward to it. I'm very excited for our show Friday,
and I want to plug this magazineStag, a magazine that I am
on the cover of and I havea spread in which I'm super excited about.
It just came out a few daysago and you can find it at
thus stagmag dot com. Your fansare very very pumped about this. They

(01:15:46):
are sharing it incessantly, and youeven got fan art for it already.
I was like, that's fucking cool. Yeah yeah, people painting it like
nobody paints me. Well, actually, somebody did paint me recently on a
fucking mirror somewhere, and it wasvery unflattering. They're probably in this chat
right now, but uh yeah,but it was. Is there a chat?

(01:16:06):
I don't see a chat? Ican't see. Yeah, I don't
know. Maybe you can't. Ithought you could, but maybe you can.
Oh there's a chat. Oh mygod, there's a whole chat.
Oh yeah, there you go.Oh oh, you've blocked so many people,
are they? Yeah? Yeah,they're just all trolls. Um,
oh my god. Wow, Ididn't see this chat the whole time.

(01:16:27):
Yeah. Well it's probably for thebest. Um, so it is for
the best. I was wondering.I was like, are you texting someone?
No? No, no, no, I'm just going in here and
like blocking people who are being obnoxious. Wow, you've blocked so many people.
Yeah, well, you know,I have a lot of not fans?
Is that is that a thing?Can I can? I Can I
get famous for having the most notfans? Um? Yeah, of course

(01:16:51):
that's pretty great. Um again,that's uh, you know it's a fun
way to spend your time, Iguess. But no, Um, I
think it's cool. I think it'scool the Mago I didn't. I just
saw the cover. I didn't seeis it like an online thing or is
it like print? It's print,it is. There's partial nudity, that
is you can already see online,which is why everyone's going insane. But

(01:17:14):
um, yeah, it's print andthere's a banner and a poster everyone.
Yeah, I did think it wouldbe funny. One of my childhood friends
is coming to hang out with methis weekend, um, and we're gonna
like do the whole tour together,the whole traveling and everything else. We
get into New York Thursday morning,and then I'm doing a podcast Thursday afternoon,
and then uh and then obviously theshow Friday. But um, I

(01:17:36):
did think it would be funny.I did think. I was like,
Sean, I should have you liketotally be like a fanboy to Natalie and
be like and bring a printed copyof the fucking like I will sign this,
um, but just because just becauseI want to watch him be embarrassed
doing that. Yeah, and itbut it wouldn't work now because it's one

(01:17:59):
of those things for him to getit in the mail. Yeah. But
and you also can't premeditate like abit like that, like right now I
know about it, Yeah exactly,and it would be and it wouldn't be
funny, it would just be.But the other thing too, is like
I would wanted to make you feelweird, like I want to make him
feel stupid. I wouldn't want tomake you feel stupid. Does that make
sense? You know what one ofmy fucking dumb friend. Yeah, but

(01:18:20):
you like it's that's weird when you'retrying to coordinate a prank of like I
want to ask the funk out ofhim now, but nothing could make me
feel fucking weird. You don't knowthe ship that I feel like, oh
god, well, this is thething I can imagine is like you know,
I while I'll say this, II've told people this before, so
like, uh, there's this weirdsort of like snowballing of a small microcosm

(01:18:45):
of gay fans that I have fromwhen I did the Food Network show.
And I'll occasionally like lob out somejust like oh this is funny, Like
let me put a thirst trap outright for my gay fans and I'll post
like a picture of me in theNew Dude cooking in the kitchen from behind,
wearing an apron, which should bedisgusting, right, Like people should
be like, oh, this isawful, but the responses I get to

(01:19:10):
that from gay guys is fucking hilarious. I'll just get like, if you
like that, check out this,And then I just get like ten dick
picks in Instagram DM and so ifI get that, if I get that,
then I can only imagine what youget on a fucking daily basis.

(01:19:32):
It's gotta be horrific. It's it'sI'm pretty numb to it. But some
people do get to me at times. Yeah, but whatever where they're just
like too creepy. Yeah, well, I think, uh, I don't
want to give anyone the secret keyto how to get to me, So
I'm not gonna say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely not definitely

(01:19:53):
don't want to do that. Keepthat. Yeah, yeah, I can
only like it's so funny, LikeI I think I went through that for
like the first probably like six monthsof my show, and I just started
like messaging all my female comedian friendsand I was just like, I had
no idea that this is what it'slike at all, And I'm sure I'm
getting a fraction, you know whatI mean, I'm getting a very small

(01:20:15):
fraction of the creepiness that women getfrom a very fringe set. And by
the way, all the gay guyswho want to fuck me look just like
me, which makes me believe thatlike ninety percent of homosexuality is just extreme
narcissism of guys who were just likeI just want to fuck myself, Bro,
what's wrong with up? So Idon't even think they're gay. I

(01:20:38):
just think they love themselves and like, if I could fuck somebody, that's
me. But on the flip side, that means I get dick picks from
guys who look like me, whichis like, you know, you can
at least get something nice to showyour partner, you know. Yeah,
I'd be like, yeah, where'smy diesel, where's my terminator? Fuck
machines. I want some shredded guysjumping into my DMS yea with twelve inch

(01:21:00):
hard hogs, so I can atleast be like, oh see that we
did. Ay, this is afunny story. We did a game show
audition one time where it was likea pilot show so I don't know if
you've ever done these where you likego participate in the filming of a pilot.
But it was a producer, alocal producer that we know, and
she had us come in for celebrityname game. We've done like game shows

(01:21:21):
and stuff with her, and sothey were like, we want you to
come as a couple to help ustest this new concept. And it was
hosted by Bill Bellamy, and sowe went in and what it is is
it's like twenty people that are incouples together, but the contestant has to
figure out who's with who, andthey have to decide like which couples are

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together without knowing anything about the people. And they ask people questions to figure
out who's together or try to figureout who's together. It's a really great
idea for a show, and itwas kind of like a love is Blind
mentality of you know, like we'regonna put We're gonna show you that the
people that are together are absolutely likepolar opposites. And that was obviously why
they picked us, because my girlfriend'svery pretty and I'm very this and so

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nobody would ever put us together.But the funny thing is the contestants thought
way deeper than what it was.So they're thinking, who are the least
likely people to be together? Likethey assumed that we were trying to trick
them. And so the very firstout of the gate, very first out

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of the gate, contestant they haveto first they have to pick two people
that they think are a couple,and then they have to ask them questions
to decide if they actually are acouple or not. And then we as
contestants are encouraged to try to likelie to get them to think like we
might be a couple. And thefirst thing they do is they take me,

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and they take a dude, Ishit, you not looks like Michael
B. Jordan, the hottest fuckingblack guy in the room they put with
me, and I was just Iwas like I couldn't stop blushing. I
was so flat that they thought thatthis dude was fucking me. I was
like this, I was like,oh, well, thank you. I
just look back at all the womenlike, fuck you. They think it's

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me. They think he's fucking me. Uh. And I've never been more
proud of a moment in my entirelife than that moment. And I I
flaunted and then of course he waswith like the pretty, like the prettiest
blondhaired white girl in the room.And then when they put us together,
the contestant was like, oh,of course, Jesus Christ should have just
let my racism steer the decision making. I would have gotten all of these

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right. But um, but itwas so funny. There was never never
a more proud moment in my lifethan being paired with the sexiest six foot
five black guy in the room andjust being able to turn around all the
other women and go, how doesit feel not to be chosen? Oh?
My god, that is amazing.It was the most fun. It
was the most fun. And thenI and then I became friends with that

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couple because of it, and thenyou know, I, yeah, yeah.
The only way they would have invitedme to a threesome with them is
to cater it for sure. Whocan come cook for us while we sport
fuck each other? Oh my god, I can't even imagine the workload.
I would not be able to handlehim or her. They both seemed like
very fit people, too much,too much. I could have been furniture

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that they fucked on, like theycould have laid me down as some sort
of bean bag scenario and then nextfucked each other. Yeah, it would
have been nice to just have beenincluded in that, but no, that's
and I'm sad that that show willnever see the light of day. I
should email that producer and be like, how do we make this happen?
Yeah? Come on, it was. It was so much fun. And
the funny thing about that too isBill Bellamy is there and it's like he's

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like pilot hosting and he has likethree writers in the room to help him
come up with one liners. AndI'm like, dude, we're in a
warehouse right now testing a concept andyou brought writers along like this, this
is crazy. But yeah, itwas funny. And I had met Bill
at last Comic Standing auditions back inlike two thousand and eight or whatever,

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like forever ago, so it wasI had to remind him because it had
been so long since I, youknow, met him the first time,
what the scenario was and uh,and then he remember that and then like
for the rest of the day,couldn't stop laughing at the fact that they
paired me and this other dude togetherand we both had like we're both there
with very attractive women, and bothof the women were talking to each other

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like, how are we supposed tofail about this? That not only do
they think that our boyfriends are gay, but that they're together, you know
what I mean? Like, it'sa it's gotta be a weird psychological thing
for any woman to go through,for sure, totally if that's hilarious.
And you have your own magazine too, right, I do. It's called
Classy Trashy Magazine. You can findthat check on Instagram at Classy Trashy Magazine.

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Yeah. And do you have apodcast to plug something like that?
I do have a podcast. It'scalled thirst Trap. You can find it
on Instagram at thirst Trap the Pod, or you could just find it on
all major streaming platforms iTunes, GooglePodcasts, Spotify, and you can follow
me on Instagram. I'm at NatalieCuomo Underscore. Yeah, so people will
find you on all the things.Natalie. Thanks for coming and doing the

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show. Um, do you haveanything else you want to say before we
get out of here? Thank youso much for having me. I'm stoked
for Friday. We're gonna have somuch fun. It'll be fun. I'm
looking forward to it. Yeah,we'll make we'll make my buddy Sean feel
weird one way or another. Ohwe certainly well, Yeah, codling too

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scared to look down distance between Iand I and I the time you want

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to be better? Let time untilhe is fall. But I don't know.
I thing can't be let up onetime untially fall. Who you should
ask? Somebody? Because I've gotnothing to lose. Tonight, I misplaced
my life tonight. She started myfriends away Tonight. I don't say the

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right things. I don't look theright way. That's just not mean.
I listen to my music too loudand watch too much damp