#20 - Hinchcliffe'd w/Chanler Raper

LA Comedian Chanler Raper joins us for this episode, and the guys quickly jump into discussing their budding cyber friendship. Chanler and Josh have been mixing it up on Twitter for years, so his appearance is long overdue. The hot button topic of the week is the cancelling of comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, for reminding people how Asians be. When is this madness going to end? Let’s Discuss.

Episode Transcript

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Hey, guys, what's up.It's Josh. It is Wow. God,
what the god damn day is It'sMay seventeenth, something like that,
May the eighteenth. Check out thisnew episode of The Darkest Hour. I
have on my guest and long timesocial media friend. I guess you would
say, right if you can havesocial media friends, comedian Chandler Raper,

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who's actually here in LA and sohopefully we can, you know, have
him on the show in studio forreal sometime once all this chaos lifts here
in Los Angeles, which seems likeit'll be never but first episode of The
Darkest Hour in a while, firstepisode of a podcast in a while,
if you guys don't know. Iwas on the East Coast for almost two
weeks at the end of April beginningof May, doing shows in Wilmington at

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the House of Comedy and then hangingout with my family out there and getting
to see people, which I haven'tbeen able to do. I don't think
I've been home to visit everybody inlike four years. So it was not
able to do any podcast while Iwas out there, which I was kind
of hoping I could, but youknow, with bad cell service where I
was, which is kind of nicebeing off the grid if you're actually you

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know, trying to vacation, whichis good, right. I didn't get
any work done, which sucks foryou guys because you're waiting for shit to
hear, but it was good forme. It was good to kind of
get away and get a break,spend some time with family, and then
gear up for all this work that'scoming. So the other reason that there
is not a lot of um,you know, podcasts coming out recently,
is because I'm working hard on anew show, which we talk about in

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this podcast, so I won't spoilit. Check it out, listen to
it. At the end of thispodcast, I talk a little bit about
that and what's to come. Butyou will see that very very soon,
and I'm excited to show it toyou guys, and it will be now
the third show I'm doing, right, and fourth if you count Big Uglies.
So we've got God, We've gotThe Darkest Hour, which exploded with

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this show obviously, which explores kindof the dark origins of comedians material.
You've got The wake Up Call,which is kind of like a current events
podcast, just sort of shooting theship with people that I like that's only
on locals. We'll have the newshow coming up for Censored TV. And
then of course we have Big Uglieswith my friend and comedian Carl Spatali,

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who's actually now my Cosmo Cramer.He lives next door to me in my
building, and uh yeah, we'vewe've basically been a Cramer and Jerry for
the last few days after he gotmoved in. So that so, you
know, as football season gears uphere, you'll start to see some more
Big Uglies episodes and we'll get thoseout on a regular basis. But you

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know, in the offseason of football, there's not much to talk about.
There's so much fucking content. Man, you need you need our draft takes?
Do you need our thoughts on SamDarneld going to the Panthers? You
don't need, you know, welike to talk about on that show,
the topics, the sports topics nobodywants to talk about. When the league
gears down, there's really not alot to discuss because you know, if
players are mining their business and ontheir behavior, we really don't know shit

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to discuss. So anyway, here'sthis episode of the Darkest Hour. We
talk about the Tony Hinchcliff thing andChandler and Eye's opinions on that. And
you know something, I have alot of experience with that. I went
through Shane Gillis went through it,and now Tony Hinchcliff and um. Yeah,
so check it out. I hopeyou guys enjoy it and stay tuned

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for more stuff. Hello Darkness,smile friend. I've come to talk with
you again because a vision softly creepinglifted seas while I was sleeping, and

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the vision that was planted in mybrain stealings. There's two ways to see
things like in the world. Oneis to try to find a way to
laugh at it, and the otheris to just live a miserable existence where
you're unhappy about everything. What thefuck is that you medi adopted the Duck?

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I was wanting it. Yeah,that seems really dark. Now that's
not dark. You're misunderstanding me.Bro, this is gonna get dark for
people. No, God, please, no. Do you think that anybody
that does enjoy dark comedy that it'sindicative of a deeper evil? I'm in
the Duck. Yeah, do youunderstand I'm in the show. I actually

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thought your name was made up,like you were trying to be some sort
of like edge lord about it.Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like,
why of all the names, Like, why would I hamstring myself by
just choosing that Chandler, Yeah,Chandler Raper? Why would I choose that?
Yeah? Yeah, no one choosesthat last name. That's that's the

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name, that's four stunt. Yeah. Why wouldn't you pick Chandler fus right,
because that could be also consensual?Sometimes you went right over to Raper,
right, That's what this booker thought. Yeah, let me let me
make everyone uncomfortable for no reason atall. Yeah, for just you know,
just because it'll be fun to havea fun name. Yeah, Like
that's like that's still a thing thatcomics do. When I first started,

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um, I did a lot ofblack rooms in Minneapolis, Chicago, Indiana,
and um, there was this dudewho was in the Chicago in the
Midwest scene, I'll just say,and he was a black comic and his
name was Major the Lieutenant of Comedy. Um. And it's so funny because
I'll still do like some of theseclubs, the clubs, the club I

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did in Wilmington last weekend has alot of like black acts at it.
And when I when I was there, the dude's like, so, like,
what do you go by? AndI was like Josh Denny And he's
like yeah, but what's your comedyname? And I was like, no,
it's just Josh Denny. Like there'snot this. Yeah, He's like,
you don't have a you don't havelike an alias, Like no,
the US white ones, we don'thave alias. This is little Joshua,

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Yeah, little josh. I didhave a black comic friend of mine named
Adrian Washington. He used to callme Dirty Red because I would just be
fucked up and say whatever I wantedand he was like, oh, Dirty
ran doing his thing. And thatwas every time he used to run He
probably still runs these great shows inSaint Cloud, Minnesota. He used to
run these nights man, and hewould like pack the clubs out, and

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he just had a different audience thanthe regular club had, and you know,
it was fun. It was like, yeah, it was First of
all, I was younger because thisis in um, you know, Saint
Cloud is a college town, butit's other than being a college town,
it's still like a Minnesota suburb.And so like the comedy club, you
get like it was a lot offorty plus and then for some reason he

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was able to get the college crowdto his shows, which was, you
know, a lot more fun todo than sort of like your forty.
And keep in mind, when Iwas doing those shows, I was new
in comedy the two thousand and eight, two thousand even so I was twenty
fuck man, twenty three, twentyfour and uh, you know not,

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I was brand new in comedy.So it was way different than sort of
where I'm at now as a comedian. What is this fourteen years later?
So yeah, it was a differentworld. But I never went I never
went by dirty Red. I wasnever like, put me on flyers dirty
Red. That's the name of analbum, not the name of the act,
right exactly. Although I did thinkit would be funny. Maybe I'll

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still do this. I almost don'teven want to say it on the thing
because I feel like somebody it's sogood, somebody will take it. But
I always thought it would be funny. Do you know the cover of Nass
album, which is like an untitledalbum, but it's like got his logo
which is the end, and it'slike whipped into his back and it's like
scars. So you know, Ido a joke kind of like mocking the

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rules of the N word, butI use the word ginger. And I
thought it would be hilarious to doan album cover that is that exact album
cover, but it's sun burned intomy back instead of like whipped in.
And I was like, that wouldbe fucking perfect for a redheaded comic to
do and just put like a Gin my back or a CIA or something.

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I don't know, but it wouldbe funny. I always thought it
would be funny to do like thatexact album cover, as hard as it
is, but just with a littlesunburn on it. That would be awesome.
I love it when when comics likedplays on like classic albums like that,
Like Tom Sigura did Thrilled Thriller albumcover. Yeah, and that's a

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great album. By the way,I met Tom right around the time that
that was released. Oh yeah,because I met Tom through another comedian who
was like one of the first podcastersthat dude named Patrick Melton, and he
had me on his show all thetime. But he knew Tom from Florida
because he's from Florida, and Iguess Tom, I guess Tom lived there
for a while or you know,at least did a lot of shows there.

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I know Burt lived there, butthey all kind of knew each other
the Florida scene. And then Imet Tom doing shows with him when I
first started, and he had justput that album out Thrilled, and uh,
I remember my favorite bit on thatalbum was the one where he talks
about looking at the guy's dick inline at the grocery store. Oh yeah,
yeah, where he's just like Iwas, I was like, this
guy, when I say this guyto bulge, I mean, most people

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have a bulge here, his wasover here like yeah, I mean,
and calls him out for staring atthose guys. Yeah. Man, it's
uh. It was one of thefunniest And that was one of the first
bits I think I'd ever seen Tomdo live. And I was like,
Oh, this guy's fucking funny.And then I was like, why is
this guy not super fucking famous?And I was just you know, like

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ten years too early, you know, yeah, like I'm sure, I'm
sure. Like everyone that saw himback then was like, this guy is
fucking incredible, and uh, itwas only a matter of time for him,
and you know what, like oneof the coolest dudes, even with
all the success he's had, right, like, um, it hasn't really
kind of changed his demeanor. He'sstill bust balls. He still fucks with
you like he's yeah, fun dude. Yeah. Uh. He posted something

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on Instagram a couple of days agowhere he's just like smiling at the camera
and the caption just says, Ijust saw a poor person. He's always
just trolling. Yeah, oh ofcourse, of course. Well, and
then we're in this kind of weirdthing now. I mean it's kind of
cool because you and I met throughsocial media sort of because of like online
trolling. And I can't remember we'vegot so many good exchanges back and forth

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now about different stand up shit orcomedy or whatever. But I I if
I remember correctly, Like one ofthe first exchanges we had was because we
didn't agree on something. Yeah,and then and then we actually had like
a good back and forth, andI think it kind of came to a
place of like agree to disagree.But it's funny because even with that being
the foundation of our interaction, you'rekind of like me in the sense of

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like, even if I don't agreewith what you do, I have this
sort of very passionate urge to defendpeople's right to do what they want to
do artistically. I mean, talkabout that a little bit. Is that?
Is that how it is for you? Yeah? I I love arguing
with people about anything. Like ifI'm like taking a ship and I have

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my phone in my hand, I'mlike on social media just shooting the ship
with people on Facebook. I lovelike trolling people from back home because of
course all of my friends and familyback in Alabama are conservatives, so like,
you know, they have a lotof viewpoints that I don't necessarily agree
with, but even if I do, I can still like poke fun at
shit, you know, and whenI don't, you're supposed to be able

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to make fun of the people thatagree with you as well as the people
that don't. I mean, yeah, I've found it's like I found lately
it's kind of hard to do thatbecause so few it feels like there are
so few people that are willing tokind of make fun of liberals shit or
whatever that it's like overwhelmingly easy todo that because it's such a uh uh,

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it's not oversaturated, and it's likemaybe fun of conservative shit is horrifically
oversaturated. Yeah. But even then. It's like I did shows for AFA,
the American Freedom Alliance a couple ofweeks ago in LA and there were
even moments where I like, Idid shit that pokes fun at them and
at conservatives, and they were like, you know, grumbly about it.
I go, yo, Like,you can't all of a sudden be like

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we're the party of free speech,but we also still want to be the
pro clutchers that tried to ban youknow, hip hop in the nineties.
It's like, you can't, youcan't be both. Yeah. Well when
I when I'm everyone that knows meon Facebook thinks that I'm the biggest liberal
that my town has ever produced.But then I comment one thing on Twitter

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and I'm automatically the biggest Trump supporterconservative on the internet. Right you know.
It's like, well, just byjust like just by defending something that
goes again, right Yeah, butyeah, and like you saying like us
like agreeing to disagree, people willsay like why do you why are you

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still friends with that person? Whydo you keep them around like to comment
on shit. It's like the lastthing I want to do is create an
echo chamber right around me. It'slike I like having people around with different
points of view because then it challengesme and it challenges them and we can
have a conversation. And when Istarted in comedy, you know, I

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started in Minneapolis, and everyone tome, I guess, it was a
shock to move to LA and findout that every comedian is not contrarian like
that, you know what I mean. Like, as a comedian, I
think, baseline, you should probablyhave some ideas that are kind of fucked
up in fringe, and then youmight have some things that aren't like that
at all, that are more conservativeor more traditional or whatever. But I

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thought it was really interesting, howlike moving to LA seeing how that wasn't
the case like in common like thein comedy clubs and stuff. When I
started, and there was a lotof like bar One and things. There
were a bunch of different comedians withdifferent backgrounds, different walks of life.
But comedy was like that unifying thingthat we could all kind of come back

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to, right, was like,well, even if I think this about
this and you think that about this, we can still objectively joke about those
things and not feel like one ofus is the bad guy, you know
what I mean, Like I canmake fun of the shit you believe in
and you would laugh too and belike, wow, that's a well written
joke. And I feel like you'reone of the few guys on Twitter that
engages with like my stuff, orwith the people that engage with my stuff,

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who still has that mentality, becausethere are even like majorly famous comedians.
I'll use Sarah Silverman as an example, who has made millions of dollars
off of being somebody who is unafraidto cross the line right, and then
now she has this mentality of like, yeah, but some things aren't okay
to joke about, and it's like, what the fuck are you talk like,
how can you be a comedian andhave that perspective about anything? It's

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not even about what you think isright or wrong. But don't you think
that every person should have the poability to find the funny in anything?
Isn't that what it's about? Itseems like with a lot of people,
once they get their money and they'vemade their name for themselves crossing the lines,
now it's time to real ship backand now it's not okay to do

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those things anymore. And it's like, well, that's an easy position to
take when you've already made your breadand butter doing that thing that you're now
saying no one else is allowed todo, right, It's sort of like
you're moving the goalposts and you're saying, you know, this was fine when
I did it, but time haschanged, and you know, yeah,
nobody should come in and try todo it the same as me, or
even maybe better. Yeah, AndI don't think that there's anything I mean,

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I think it just it's crazy tome when it comes to comedy that
people that's when people decide to startpolicing what it's being said. It's like,
it's all the only everything that it'sbeing said is an attempt to be
funny, and if it's not funny, then it's not funny. But you
should at least be able to tryto be funny. Well, yeah,

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it's like, you know, I'vehad jokes where I have a joke right
now that's a new joke that Ilove that I think is hilarious, and
I've seen it's eating shit like twoor three times out of the five I've
done it right. But to me, it's like, all right, I
just gotta find the angle to makeit work. I gotta find the right
wording. I gotta find the rightorder of the parts of the bit to

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figure it out, because I knowit's there and I know it's funny and
it Joe Rogan's first special, there'slike a behind the scenes thing when he's
traveling, and he says, there'sthree stages you go through as a comedian.
One is where you're just trying toget laughs. Stage two is where
you're trying to be funny, butyou also become more back of the room,
so you're not only doing stuff foryou to laugh at, but you

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also have stuff that you want otherpeople to laugh at. And then the
third level is sort of like havingsome larger collective point behind the material you're
doing. And he's like, somepeople never get to that third level,
but that's kind of the natural progression. But there are still bits we all
have where we're like, I'm gonnado that because I love it. I

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don't give a fuck if anybody elsegets it. And you know, they're
kind of like they're like the trackson an artist album where you're like,
what the fuck is that song thatsucks, and they're just like, yeah,
we like it, so we putit in and we don't give a
shit if anyone else likes it.Yeah, I have I have a joke
because I have kids, and Italk about that when I doing stand up,

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I'll say I have two kids.It used to be three. But
it turns out that old saying ifyou shake it more than twice if you're
playing with it is not about babies, yea. And I think that it's
I think it's like a well writtenjoke. I don't have like little one
liners like that, but that's justone that I think is fun. My
wife hates it, and of crowdslike either don't get it or they've grown,

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But it cracks me up to seethe look on people's faces. So
I still say it just because it'sfun to me, right, And you
know, there are jokes that wedo for each other as medians that we
enjoy that aren't necessarily for the crowd, right, Like, Yeah, when
I do a show, if Iknow comics on the show, they'll ask

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me to do something that I likenormally never do or isn't part of my
normal set, but it's something theymaybe heard me do it a mic one
time that was like completely fucked up, and you know, it was just
a mess and he's like or I, and they almost like they don't care
if it does well. They justwant to see you do it. And

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sometimes it's because it eats shit.Yeah you know what I mean. Like
sometimes I'm like, no, dothat joke, man, fucking people hate
it, and it's like we'll dothat stuff for each other my own When
this show, The Darkest Hour wasa stand up show at west Side in
Santa Monica. We that was thewhole show. It was like we we
would go through our notebooks and pullup like, what's the worst thing you've
ever written? And then be likedo you have the balls to go do

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that on stage tonight? I meanI was wondering what the where the name
came from, So that makes sense. Yeah, it started from that stand
up show, and then we alwayskind of dreamed of doing a podcast in
the green room because we always saidthe show in the green room when I
used to run it with Adam ToddBrown, we used to say, the
conversation in the green room is asfunnier, often funnier than the material comics

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take on stage because we're in theback running through like Okay, how fucked
up do we want to be andthere are things that we'll discuss in the
green room that don't even make iton that stage. Yeah, and so
you know, it's like that.It's a fun back and forth. It's
a fun conversation to have about youknow, like where those lines are.

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But we always thought this would bekind of like a cool accompaniment to the
live show. And yet people anotherinsight into you know, how how much
worse is it even behind the stageof that show. And you know,
and I'm sure there are things thatpeople had in their notebooks that they wouldn't
even share in the green room ofthat show. Yeah, were Did you
ever listen to Ice House Chronicles?Yeah? When I did it before?

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Yeah, ok, yeah I did. Uh. When when Red Band would
have you do his secret shows orwhatever, you would yea the Death Squad
shows, there would be the podcastgoing behind it. I had a I
did it once. Uh it waslike me Brodie Stevens Uh. I think
it was Martin Moreno, who iswho was like a long time UM opener
for Gabriel Iglesias and UM and thenlike Olivia Grace and we went we somehow

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got into this whole thing about UMlike her, Uh, she was telling
us about like some famous comics sexuallyassaulted her, but then wouldn't tell us
who it was. So we're alljust sitting in this uncomfortable situation of like
she's like, a you A lotof you guys are friends with him,
and and then like this room.Yeah, I was like is he in
the room right now? Like whereis this guy? Um? But it

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was weird. And then of courseit's like Brodie Stevens is in the room,
and so Brodie's trying to redirect.He goes into like audience warm up
mode where he's trying to redirect theconversation away from this awkward, cringe situation,
and he's like, Josh Denny,host of Ginormous Foods, what's that
like? Like he's like it startsinterviewing me, and I'm just like,
yeah, whatever we have to doto like get away from this, you

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know. But yeah, that waswhat was cool about Ice House chronicles is
they're sort of in a way becausethere was no format, those conversations would
go yeah fucking everywhere. Yeah,someone would get up go do their set,
someone else would jump out on mike, and then they would just like
constantly just rotating who is who wason the show. Yeah, I think
I did it like one or twotimes. But those lineups were always the

(21:41):
best. Those shows were so muchfun, and the ice House is the
best, the best version of theDarkest Hour. When we got canceled from
west Side because my Twitter was notdiverse and inclusive enough, was what I
was told by the owners of westSide. This was when the whole canceling
happened in twenty thirteen. Um,oh, weren't because of things that I

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tweeted, And I was like,yeah, even though, um, the
things we had done on that stagewere way fucking worse over four years,
Yeah, than anything I had evertweeted. Right, Like, we had
guys go up and argue for pedophilia. I mean as as a bit obviously,
and so you know, like tome, I've always been blown away

(22:26):
at how people can take something reallyfucked up and make it funny. I
have a fascination with it, andso I think that's a big part of
why, Um, I'm so adamantabout defending it and adamant about understanding or
trying to get people to understand,like that comic can make a bit about
defending pedophilia and not believe it likethat dude did not come off stage,

(22:48):
but like, right, guys,like, why doesn't anybody agree with me
he came off stage? It waslike, dude, how fucked up would
it be if I actually thought that? And that's what that's what drives me
nuts about the way the Internet treatscomics. Now with what we saw with
the tone hinge clothes shit this week, it's like, are you pretending that
there's not another layer to this orthere couldn't be another layer to this that
makes it not at all what itlooks like. Yeah, And that's a

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thing with the blows me away withthis particular one is that's literally what that
guy is known for is roasting peopleand in any way possible and being completely
unafraid to cross any lines in doingso. Yeah. And it's like,
if anyone that's ever watched an episodeof Killed Tony saw that little clip that

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was posted on Twitter, it's like, that's like some of the tamous shit
that he could have said that hehas said, I'm gonna show I'm gonna
pull this up so people can kindof see it, but I'm gonna show
I've got this clip here, Andso some people might not know what clip
we're talking about, um, butI've got it pulled up here. Damn

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that one share audio boom, sowe know we should have this, Okay,
So obviously I comment, and thisis kind of our thing this week
that we got into talking about.But I commented on this, and obviously
there's of course there's a fucking typoin it, which drives me nuts.
But I said, I like otherzero context included. I'm sure there's more
to this. Otherwise it's just fun. If there is no context. By

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the way, it's fucking hilarious becauseit is absolutely the opposite of what you
should do in this situation. Buthere's the clip. So this guy this
pen dang or whatever, and thisis clearly like a total cancel culture attempted
drag where it's like I got upto bring up Tony Hinchcliff. This is
what he said, Happy Asian HeritageMonth, and then this is the this

(24:45):
is what ensues cheek. That wasjust retreating a fucking bucket extra choice,

(25:18):
not oh, you borrow money frommy ass and you guys was eating it
up. You fucking all right.So there's the clip. It cuts off
abruptly right and then there's a piecewhere it you know, it absolutely speeds
up, right speeds up. There'snothing, there's no context there. I

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don't think he's at the mic atall, so you probably can't hear anything.
But to me, it seems likea total hit job because clearly something
transpired before that video that caused that, or what I've been told. And
I don't know if you heard anythingabout this, but it sounds like that
comedian was doing a lot of likekind of hacky Asian stereotypical material and Tony

(26:03):
was shitting on the audience for eatingit up and being like, Oh,
this is fucking hilarious. And butthe other thing that people, if they
don't know Tony Henschoff, is he'sa huge pro wrestling fan, and so
it's very possible he was like,I'm just gonna go out and be a
total heel tonight and shit all overthis guy. Which is also a different
kind of comedy. Yeah, andthat I mean, he plays the villain.

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He talks about how he loves toplay the villain all the time,
like his like dream role. Hetalks about always wanted to play the joker
because that's what he envisions himself asis someone that's just causing mayhem and doing
what you shouldn't do. Did yousay Mayhem? Is that like a special
shuthern ham? Yeah? You know. Sometimes we have April showers and then

(26:52):
we wash it down with Mayhem.We have Christmas Ham, November Thanksgiving Ham
and Mayhem and Mayhem, which weused to kick off summer Summing. Y'all
got you all fourth of July,but then we kick it off with Mayhem.
Oh shit, that's so funny.By the way, your state makes
the best barbecue sauce ever invented,which also sounds like a strain of cocaine.

(27:15):
You know what I'm talking about?The Wabama about Alabama wat? Yep,
I did not know. I actuallydidn't have it in Alabama. I
had it in South Carolina. Butwe went to this restaurant that was like,
you know, southern gastro pub andthey're like, we shave this pulled
pork with an Alabama wat. Andby the way, you have to say
what um? And I was like, what the fuck is that? Cocaine?

(27:38):
And my friend, uh, butthe sound guy for our show,
Jacob, which we call cub uhhe go he um he he goes.
You don't know about help Bama White. He's from like I think, um,
where is it Tuscaloosa, where thewhere the Crimson Tide is from?
I think he's from there. He'seither from there, maybe Huntsville. I
don't know if Cuba's gonna be pissedor if he sees this, he's gonna

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be pissed. He's probably actually workingon a show that wasn't canceled right now.
So but he was like, younever had help man White And I
was like no, And he waslike, it's barbecue sauce made with mayonnaise.
And I was like, yeah,that can't be good. He goes,
dude, eat it, trust me, and I got it. I
was like, oh my god,what is that. This is the most
amazing thing I've ever had in mylife. Yeah, it's good. I'm

(28:22):
people expect it because I'm from theSouth like that. I'm like a big,
huge, like barbecue efficionado. AndI get questions all the time,
especially like in La, like well, you're from the South, like where
can I get some good, goodbarbecue here? And I'm like, I
don't know, man, like butanywhere, like I don't I don't know
what the good the good barbecue is. And I'm a little fat, so

(28:45):
it's like, I obviously I don'tcare, I'll eat anything, but yeah
I do. I do like thethe Alabama White. Yeah. Yeah,
I worked. Yeah, I workedat a restaurant in high school, and
uh we had it there and Iwould put that shit on chicken or anything.
Dude. It does work on almostlike dipping fries in. It is
amazing. You're like, if you'resomebody who just eats mayo with fries,

(29:06):
you should try Alabama white barbecues.Else it's not hard to make either.
You just basically replace. You do, substitute a few more ingredients than just
mayonnaise and catch up. But it's, uh, it's pretty amazing. Well,
I could fuck up a grilled cheese, so I'm sure that it would
be difficult for me. But yeah, but I mean it was. It
was my I don't know why Iderailed on that. We were talking about
it, but uh, yeah itwas. We're talking about mayhem. I

(29:33):
couldn't stop thinking about that Alabama.My girlfriend still never had it, She's
like, what is that? Andmy dad had never had it. My
dad is eighty years old. I'mlike, Dad, you've had pussy in
like nine countries and you Alabama whitebarbecues, Well, pussy and nine countries
is better. I won't. Iwon't trade it for potentially and I don't
know if it's nine countries, butit's definitely more than America, you know,

(29:56):
Like you gotta love when your dadis eighty and you're like, how
many unknown brothers and sisters might wehave? And um, and he's like,
well, you know, are wetalking about the American ones or because
over there, I don't. Ihave no idea. It's like, who
knows how many half shore leave brothersand sisters I have? Yeah, twenty
three and me that's all of yoursiblings and you, yeah, Well,

(30:17):
it's funny because one of the Asianactors who was all up in this thread
was a dude named Patrick Gallagher.And I go, we might be brothers.
You don't have no idea. Whereare you from? Vietnam? Korea?
If you're Korean, there's a fiftypercent chance that some of your come
is my dad's, some of yourcome, i'm some of your DNA's.
Well, you know, yeah,if some of hiss come is my dad's,

(30:38):
he's got more questions. Tomato tomato. Yeah, somebody's gonna make a
T shirt. Some of the mightcome as your dad's uh oh shit,
but um but yeah. I meanit's like, if you know Tony and
this is what drives me nuts aboutthis cancel culture. Shit is like people
don't even take the time to gowho is Tony Hinchcliff and what does he

(31:02):
do? They just see white guy. And this is where I talk about
the concept of punching down is inherentlyracist, and I think this is something
we might agree on, right.Is this idea that by default a race
of a person making fun of anotherrace of a person is punching down ignores
the reality that there are people indifferent positions of power or status or wealth

(31:25):
and race has nothing to do withit. So I was I always it
tries to me nuts when I waslike, if you think me making fun
of Oprah or jay Z is punchingdown because they're black, I hate to
tell you, but you're the racist. Yeah. The concept of punching down
is always weird to me. Andit's like I don't pretend to know all
the you know, intricacies of racismand you know all the social theories,

(31:48):
but just the idea that I'm abovesomeone and that I'm punching down at them
like from my ivory tower just feelsweird to me. It's like, I
don't I'm not putting myself on thatpedestal, So why are you? Yeah,
and that's the that's a strange tome. That's like a much more
pernicious thing because it's almost like sayingthat who we are as stationary based on

(32:14):
only things like race or sexual orientationor whatever, which, to be honest,
was a big thread behind my commentsthat got me canceled in twenty eighteen
was this idea of like, can'tjust lump groups of people together under this
common stereotype, and it's like lumpingwhite people into this oppressive, wealthy,
privileged stereotype. It's no different thanlumping all black people together in a criminal,

(32:39):
you know, nefarious, evil stereotype, or any of the stereotypes that
have followed that race, you know, for fifty sixty years, no matter
how true it might be in somecases, if you start going all blank,
are blank, You're contributing to theproblem. You're not, You're not
we're not making progress at all.Yeah, there are no monoliths. Yeah,

(33:01):
exactly, and so to me,that was kind of what I was
saying in my obtuse Josh Denny hyperbolicway, and of course it was not
received that way, but that youknow, that's fucking three years old.
I'm tired of talking about it.And it's funny because it's three years old.
I'm tired of talking about it.But it's the first thing that gets
brought up anytime we get one ofthese exchanges going on Twitter. This person

(33:22):
again, they don't do any researchand realize that all of this this um
slew thing has been done years ago. And every time I tweet something unpopular
and people go, why do youleave Food Network in your bio? It's
to show how fucking retarded these peopleare that they literally are just like,
where's what's his biosay? Food Network? Get his show canceled? And it's

(33:45):
like, yeah, man, andthat's all years And that's always so like
why because I see where you commentwhere people will do that, and it's
like, why are you trying toget someone canceled from a show that you
obviously don't watch? Right because ifbecause if you watch that, you would
know that it's not on anymore.Right if you were a fan, you

(34:07):
would know it's been off for threeyears, right, so, like you
know, and now it's become thisfun thing where fans and followers and stuff.
I'll be like, we got oneguys, and they're like, oh
god, here we go. Yeo. Yeah. One. It was another
It was a woman who was like, you know, how dare you stand

(34:29):
up for this racism? Uh?And it's like, no, I'm standing
up for the fact that, youknow, there's context of what we do
as comedians. This is what's weirdto me. And I posted this in
a comment. It's like people aresmart enough to know that every movie is
not a documentary, right, Likeyou don't watch you don't watch Uh,
you know Django Unchained and go,wow, this all really happened, right.

(34:52):
Yeah. I was just thinking.I was thinking about that movie earlier
today because people will say, youknow, like, well, it's never
okay to use this word or touse that word, and well, Leonardo
DiCaprio use those words in Django Unchainedmany times. Yeah. I even think
I think Leonardo DiCaprio invented new pronunciationsof the N rood. I was like,

(35:15):
where is the R in that one? Well? I've been from the
South. I've heard all of those. Yeah, you and you've you've heard
all of you've heard the R.You've heard it pronounced with the R in
front of the end, which isvery which is a very complicated pronunciation.
That's the that's the creole. TheR goes in front of the end.

(35:35):
But yeah, it's like, ifwe can, if we can say that
it's okay for him to say itthere, it's because we understand the art
of it, and we understand it. In the end, he's gonna get
his you know, come up,it's and it's not gonna be in his
favor. Well, let's see wherethis joke is gonna go. Let's see
where this bid is gonna go,because this is also an artistic choice and

(35:59):
someone playing a character. It maybe some version of you, but you're
playing a character. Well in theeven if you're up there like these are
the worst thoughts that I ever have, It's like, it's not like you
believe them or you agree with them, right, Like we can't help our
at least me, I can't helpmy brain from thinking of the worst case

(36:22):
scenario when I see things in public, like and I and it's sort of
like, Oh, my god,how fucked up would it be if this
was the situation, you know whatI mean? And so sometimes it's a
manifestation of that. It's like it'slike a not like a guilty conscience in
that like you believe in those things, but you go, oh, I
thought this horrible fucked up thing,and it made me laugh that I was
even capable of thinking that. AndI want to share that feeling with other

(36:45):
people because they have also thought thesehorrible fucked up things and laughed at it.
And that's what we bond over.It's not that we agree that it's
right right, and and like,even going back to twenty thirteen, people
being being up said about a joke. I told him that about something my
dad said and the concept of thatjoke, and I brought this joke up

(37:06):
on the TMZ podcast to try tokind of explain the logic, and that
went south. If you haven't seenthat, but yeah, it's on YouTube,
but it's by the way, thetagline clip from TMZ was like Josh
Denny says, hurls N word fourtimes on Van Leathan podcast. It's like,
no, I'm trying to walk youthrough a story of about a bit

(37:29):
like explain a bit that my fathersaid something really racist to me. And
the funny thing about the bit isthat my retort wasn't that racism is wrong.
It was just that his racism wasoutdated, right, and so I
had new racism. Oh my god, that's so wrong. And then this
is actually what it is, whichis just a newer version of racism.
And that joke is satire on thefact that people who often correct your fucked

(37:52):
up behavior have this weird blind spotthat allows their fucked up behavior. There's
layers to the bit, and thereare these people in the world blacks.
No, I'm kidding. There arethese people in the world though, that
just don't Actually they're often fucking whitepeople who would say most of the time,
most of them, uh, theyjust don't believe that that extra layer

(38:15):
is there, or they're not smartenough to see it. Yeah, And
I think that that goes to theother joke that you were sharing the other
day, or that someone shared ofyou, the tweet about Dan Snyder.
Right, people, that's when youdefend a lot. We should talk about
that. That's when you defend alot because it gets brought up in these

(38:36):
threads a lot and people go,there's absolutely no way this is funny,
and but it's the same premise ofthe joke, and you are one of
the few people that I think getsit and is like, no, structurally,
you have to understand it's a soundjoke, right, I'll pull pull
it up. That's what. Yeah, that's the thing, and that's it's
fine, Like it's fine if peopleare saying, I just don't think that

(38:58):
it's funny. Okay. Comedy issubjective. Every there's you take Dave Chappelle,
you know where George Carlin, likethe most successful comedians of all time.
Not everyone likes them. Not everyonelikes every joke they do. I
know. I actually one of mymost unpopular opinions as a comedian, I
think I think Richard Pryor was horrificallyoverrated. And I get a lot of

(39:19):
shit for that, But you know, just because I think I think Pryor
kind of came right to the cuspof what he was capable of and then
fucked his life up. I thinkhow his great ship hadn't happened yet,
and um, and you know,you sort of saw that progression with Chappelle.
You saw that progression with George Carlin, I don't think. I think

(39:40):
a lot of the the heroism ofRichard Pryor is about what he could have
been and not what he actually was, if that makes sense. Yeah,
I'm not the biggest Richard Pryor fan, but I also think that comedy.
But I mean, you know,people, he for me, he's the

(40:00):
greatest of all time. I go, Okay, that's fine, Like I
don't hate I won't argue anybody aboutit. You know, comedy doesn't always
hold up and stand the test oftime, and I think that that's I
think that's the problem when it comesto people like Richard Pryor for me is
that if I was there, ifI lived in that time period, I
would probably get it more. Yeah. Well, and yeah, so much

(40:22):
of it is like very nineteen seventies. This is you know, if you
grew up watching All in the Family, you know that was very relevant to
that timeframe. So it kind ofmakes sense. And also a lot of
the shit he did had never beendone before, whereas now we've seen black
comics do that same kind of shitfor thirty fucking years, right, Yeah,

(40:44):
of like we haven't see why peoplelook at white people doing this.
Like the funniest shit he did wassort of the riffing you know, Live
on the Sunset Strip or whatever,or the one he did in Long Beach.
One of the funniest, the funniestbit of that is the beginning when
people were still walking in and sittingdown down and he's talking about white people
and black people interacting in that environment, and it's like some of the best

(41:05):
crowd work you've ever seen, andyou know, it's just not it's really
really great. But at this point, we've seen probably every deaf Jam comic,
every every HBO half hour comic dosome version of that kind of stuff,
like what people be like this,Black people will be like this.
The first stand up special I everowned was Chris Rock Bigger and Blacker.

(41:30):
So brichand Pryor is not going tobe shocking to me, you know,
And that's what comedy needs, isthe shock of the joke, or you
know, to see someone saying somethingthat you don't expect them to say.
And when you when you've seen itthat many times with people like that,
you're like, you're going backwards andit just isn't gonna have the same punch.

(41:52):
Yeah, So here's the joke thateveryone hates. This from twenty fourteen,
by the way. Okay, sothis is the other thing that people
do understand. You can't take jokesfrom seven years ago and try to just
look at them neutrallly. Right,This bit was in response to twenty fourteen.
There was this huge push for theRedskins to change the name, and

(42:13):
Daniel Schneider was super dug in.Right. People probably don't remember this because
he did cave and he did changethe name last year, and they haven't
actually changed the name yet, butyou get the concept of the joke.
The joke is, after public outcry, he's changed the name to something more
offensive than what it was in thefirst place. Right, Yeah, that's

(42:34):
the premise of the bit. Sowhether you think it's okay that I wrote
these words to make the pointer,to make the bid, or for that
to be the punchline, it's juststructurally it is a correct structure for a
joke. Right. People say,like, how can you defend the use
of this word, And it's like, we can argue about that all day,

(42:57):
but we can't argue about is whetheror not the joke structurally makes sense.
So let's only talk about that andwhen you talk about that, it
makes perfect fucking sense, right right. I mean it is a well written
joke because insert where someone's from sandwhatever, add the N word behind it.
That is a common derogatory term.And and how do you So this

(43:23):
is what I would love to pontificatewhat these fucking dorks is, give me
something more offensive than redskin that doesn'tinclude that word. Someone would work in
the joke. Some dipshit that wassaying he could have took it, taken
that a million different ways, andit's like, okay, the way,
right, give me three other ways. It would clearly be more offensive than

(43:46):
redskin. And it I don't thinkit exists. All of his things were
like slave owners or like shit likethat, and it's like, yeah,
but that's not the joke, rightright, you're not understanding how it worked,
right. It has to be aNative American slur, right, And
so what is worse than redskin?This is the only thing I thought of,

(44:09):
Okay, And then also give youa little bit of credit for coming
up with prairie, right, likeprairie, I'm very bad. I'm going
to the h what's the what wasthe fucking game we all played? On
Mac on Apple two's I'm going backto Oregon trail speak. Yeah, uh

(44:30):
yeah. So it's to me,it's like this, by the way,
this joke uh in twenty fourteen.That was two years, three years before
Ginorma's Food. I think I hadmaybe like a thousand This was even I
think before jessel Nick Offensive, orit might have been after, but I
did not have a lot of followers. And all of these like quote tweets

(44:51):
and retweets are from twenty eighteen wherepeople were like, see, here's proof
that he's racist. And somebody goesthat joke has stolen. Good luck finding
it from before I originally tweeted it, because people have told me it was
stolen before and then they found thattheir fucking tweet of it was two years
after I tweeted it. Believe me, I looked this up before I posted
it because I was like, somebodyhad to have thought of this joke beforehand,

(45:14):
and nobody had fucking posted anything likethat. Another thing that gets ignored
with this particular joke is that you'renot the bad guy in this joke.
Dan Snyder is the bad guy,right because you're speaking from him, You're
you're you're taking on his character andwhat would his character do in this situation.

(45:35):
Well, back when Weekend Update hadballs these, this was the kind
of jokes that they would do.I mean, if you read this in
a Norm McDonald even in a ColinJokes Weekend Update voice or or Michael Chay,
if Michael Chay did this joke onSNL, people would laugh hysterically as
a Weekend Update joke. Yeah,it's it's totally how it plays out.
And so that's what is always crazyto me, is this idea that people

(46:00):
just they they think because the endbomb is in there, that it renders
the joke powerless, useless and meaninglessaside from that, and it's like,
um, you know, it's it'sjust amazing to me, Like the idea
of like, could you have madeJango without the N word? Maybe?
Would would the Leonardo DiCaprio character havebeen as evil and would you have rooted

(46:22):
for him to die as much asyou did it without that word? And
I would argue absolutely not, Likeyou need that word instantaneously establishes who the
good guys are in the movie andwho the bad guys are in the movie,
right, And so it is ofsome people might go, well,
it's lazy writing, and I wouldsay that's racist, but um, but

(46:44):
it's but it immediately establishes these arethe evil fucks, this is who we
root against. It's a very it'skind of like, uh and if you
really want to get social psychological aboutit, there is no build up to
Darth Vader in the original Star Wars. Like they just show us a big
guy in a black helmet in ablack robe, and we are automatically to

(47:07):
know that's a bad guy. There'sno like, there's no build up or
whatever. The motherfucker just walks inblacked out and the audience is just supposed
to know this is the bad guy. And so um, when you when
you look at that, you go, while people are smarter, they don't
need that. No they're not,No they're not. They're very simple.

(47:30):
Uh yeah, sorry, I justrealized there were comments here. Oh yeah,
you'll get you'll get lost in that, I mean, and we'll click
off of that. I've actually neverseen Star Wars. Um, so but
you wait a minute, you've neverseen Star Wars. I've never seen Star
Wars. I've not seen a lotof the more popular movies that people love
um Star Wars in particular, justbecause I feel like that's a movie that

(47:53):
you watch when your kids, whenyou're a kid, and my dad hated
Star Wars when he was a kid, and so it just was never on
in our house. Yeah, Iget it. I mean I was never
like a super fan. And Iwent back when the new ones came out,
Like my girlfriend had never seen theoriginals, and we went back and
we watched the originals and I waslike, Wow, these are real piece

(48:13):
of shit pieces of film, Likethere is no there's like no character development,
there's no I know. I mean, I get you don't need exposition,
but I mean, dude, it'slike it's one of the most presumptuous,
lazy scripts in the history of cinema, where there's just like nothing is
articulated to the audience. You kindof got a guess at all of it.

(48:36):
I don't care about any of thecharacters. Nothing about it is compelling
to me. It's just that firstStar Wars is one of the biggest piles
of shit ever, And I thinkit's for the people that love it.
I get it. You grew upwith it and you loved it before you
know, you were old enough torealize what a piece of shit it was,
So there's some nostalgia to it foryou, but you have to be
able to as an adult look backand go, that's a piece of shit.

(49:00):
Like the Star Wars. The firstDaisy Ridley Star Wars was light years
better a film than the first StarWars ever made. My daughter and I
decided a couple of years ago thatwe were just gonna like sit down and
watch all the Star Wars. Andwe got twenty minutes into the first one
and she was like, can weturn this off? And I was like,

(49:21):
yeah, first, thanks for asking. I don't know how that held.
I mean, I guess back thenwe hadn't even invented jerking off yet,
so I can imagine how in theseventies that would hold a kid's attention.
But it doesn't surprise me that yourdaughter was bored a ship. Because
I watched I was like, thisis fucking boring. I don't want to
watch this. I'd rather watch I'drather watch a documentary about sun dials than
this fucking piece of shit. Ithink it's just the special effects were next

(49:46):
level for the time frame, forthe time period. Yeah, Like I
think you have to have never helda cell phone to enjoy the original Star
Wars. Yeah, you know whatI mean, Like, I just couldn't.
I couldn't into it. I didn'tlike it as a kid. I
watched it again as an adult.That's why I laughed when like I was
working in video stores and I waslike twenty twenty one, and that was

(50:08):
when all of the like early twothousands was when all the new Star Wars
movies were coming out, the prequels. Yeah, and everyone's like, do
prequels suck? And I go tofucking first movies suck? I don't know
what. I don't know what you'retalking about. At least this has like
slightly better acting and a little bitmore character development. So it's just like,

(50:30):
dude, it's you know, that'sanother one of my own popular opinions.
I don't like Star Wars and Idon't like Richard bruck Well, I
don't dislike Richard Pryor just don't thinkhe's one of the greatest of all times.
Yeah, yeah, I see thewe got off on the Star Wars.
I see what you're talking about though, with the uh, they just
simply made Darth Vader black to makehim the bad guy. Yeah, just

(50:52):
like that. Just put him ina black fucking costume. Everybody will know.
Yeah, they'll get it, youknow, make his helmet look like
a big pen and uh, youknow, and have him chase the white
pitch and everyone will know. Uh. You know. Scream is not much
different than than the original Star Warsmovie. But yeah, Scream, Yeah,
just the guy in the ghost maskwith the thing that's the bad guy.

(51:15):
Yeah. And so it's just it'syou know, it is weird that
like people can enjoy stuff like thatthat has limited character character development and then
use a movie like Django or somethingand go like, you could have gotten
away without that word. It's likeno. You By the end of this
movie, you have to go fromloving this Leonardo DiCaprio character to hating him

(51:36):
because he's very charming and he's veryyou know, he's wealthy, he's extra
and they're trying to again, thisis character development, and you have to
show that even someone who is thismost sophisticated, well respected in society,
wealthy, he's a power movie thathe has this horrendous worldview and this horrendous
view of black people. And you'retrying to create this concept of or this

(52:00):
feeling in the audience of like thisthe way the black people were dehumanized by
their owners back then. So youcan't cut any of that shit out that
happens, and you're watching it throughChristoph Waltz's eyes, right, Like Christoph
Waltz is someone from Europe, he'smore cultured, he doesn't believe in any
of that shit, and so youare him in the story of like I

(52:22):
have to, you know, toget what we want, I have to
not let this shit bother me.And then and by the end, Christoph
Waltz is just like fuck it andshoots him anyway because he just can't handle
it anymore. And you know,it's it's like to me, it's so
obvious what the director and writer,the same person is trying to do in
this movie is build these narratives.Comedians do the same thing in the way

(52:43):
they tell stories, in the waythey set up the characters in their bits,
the way they play themselves in theirmaterial, and nobody gives comedy that
same leeway of you're creating a painting. It would be like looking at a
painting and believing it's a portrait nomatter what it is. Like, oh,
that guy has seven penises. Iguess there was a dude one time
at seven penises and this is apicture of what that looks like. You

(53:04):
know what I mean? Yeah,yeah, it's uh well like so,
the very first time that I everdid stand up was actually on Kill Tony.
Yeah, that's why I wanted toask you. Yeah, in twenty
fourteen, and the very first bitthat I ever did on stage, it
was just like a story about howI don't know if I've said this before,

(53:28):
but my wife is black. She'shalf black, half Asian, um
and so wait, is she halfblack half Asian has a Southern accent?
No, she's from la Oh okay. Yeah. I was like, you
hit the trip. Please tell meyou hit the cycle. I met.
I met a Vietnamese woman in Mobile, Alabama who was like adopted. Yeah,

(53:49):
so she was like full Vietnamese orKorean if she's Korean, I apologize,
I don't remember, but she hada full Southern bell accent and it
was it was the most hilarious thingI ever encountered, where I was just
like, oh my god, thiscombination. I've never seen this combination.
She's like, how y'all doing?And you're just like that face does not
go into that voice. I sawsome like weird I don't know if it

(54:13):
was like Vice or who, butsome documentary, like short documentary about all
these Asian people that have like grownup in the South for generations. I
think they were like in Mississippi,and these ladies like if I close my
eyes, this is just like there'severy old lady. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah. But anyway, so thefirst bit that I did on kill

(54:36):
Tony was about how because I havea Southern accident, like people automatically assume
that I'm racist, right, justyou just want to hear me talk.
And so the story that I toldwas about my wife's uncle, who of
course is black, Um asking me, why is it of course Chandler,

(54:57):
Well, because she's black and somaybe her maybe her uncle's the Asian side.
Of course he was on the blackside. Yeah, and uh he
asked me, Um like, oh, like you say nigga a lot,
don't you. And like that's thebit is like me telling that story and
I tell I quote him saying,yes, you're quoting enough, him saying

(55:22):
it to me, it's a storythat happened to me, right, And
so I just like tell you knowthat he said that, and then like
the punchline is just me just saying, well, like, what's a lot?
Yeah? Right? Right, whichis right. You're not worried about
correcting that you're racist. You're concernedabout the quantity. The bit works the
same way because you are worried aboutthe thing you shouldn't be worried about,

(55:45):
right, Yeah, that's why it'sfun not to be the guys who explained
bits on this show. Yeah,but so that morons who fucking clipped this
shit out at some point to maketheir case that I'm a klansman or you
know, it's like that's what makesthe bit funny, idea of you like,
wait, what's a lot? Yeah? And anyone who like knows how
comedy works also knows that that's notwhat I really said to him. That

(56:07):
wasn't really my answer, right,but you thought, how fucking funny would
it be? Yeah? I said, how much is a lot? Yes?
Rum But so anyway, I didthat bid on there and it like
it got a good reception. Everyonelaughed and it was fine. That was
in twenty fourteen, as well asthat tweet that you had was and that's

(56:29):
a joke now that I don't knowif I would still. I mean,
I haven't done that bid and forever. It was like the first one I
did, and it's like I don'teven love it anymore, right, But
but he loved it. My wife'suncle loved that I did that joke about
him, her dad. Everyone lovedit. They wanted me to tell that
story at his funeral when he died, and I was like, I don't

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know all of these other people though, like I don't think that I don't
think that joke is gonna play well. It's like, so that's the funny
story, is like one of them. One of the videos that everybody got
mad about from it back in twentythirteen was me doing a set and I
was doing the joke I referenced onon the Van Latham podcast, which basically

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is like my dad, I tellmy dad my girlfriend's Middle Eastern, and
then his way of trying to makea joke was at least she's only sand
nigger and not all the way nigger. And I was like, Dad,
it's it's post nine to eleven,like everybody knows sand niggers where he worse,
right, And so again the jokeis I am correcting his racism for
being outdated. I'm not correcting theracism itself. I only did that bit

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at that show because my girlfriend,who is Middle Eastern's ex boyfriend and his
brother and all their friends who wereall very Iranian, came out. It
was his birthday and they all cameout to that show and they all sat
in the front and her ex boyfriend, Ida came up to me and he
goes, there's no that bit wason my album. And he's like,
there's no way you're gonna do thatbit tonight. He's like, I'll give

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you fifty bucks if you do thatbit. And I was like, I'll
look do the bit. I don'tgive a shit. I was like,
I'll do that bit right on today. And I did the bit and it
was fine, but it is funny. In the video clip, which I
recently put back on YouTube, youcan hear a black woman in the back
of the audience just go wow,which is probably my favorite reaction to a
joke ever because she didn't even needto see where it was going. She

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just goes wow. Yeah, Andyou know what a fine reaction. It's
a fine reaction, right. Youcan be like because by the way,
when he said it to me,my internal reaction was wow. And then
it's like, how do I makeit funny? How do I how do
I make it look funny? Andhow do I make myself look like ignorant

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but more modernly ignorant. It's likethat's where your brain goes. You go,
how do I how do I beas wrong as him? And just
a newer version, which I thinkis a lot of us, Like we're
not necessarily better people than our parents. We're just the same way they are
in different ways based off of arcexperiences today. Right, And so you

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know it's like again, all thesejokes, there's layers, there's context to
it, and people on Twitter,these people that are sort of fighting in
an intellectually dishonest way. It's allabout like, no, no, the
only way you would ever say thatword is if you're being racist. And
it's like, no, I couldbe mocking racism. I could be mocking
other people. I could be mockingthings other people say. I could be

(59:25):
mocking you know, like in theTony Hinchcoff case, I could be mocking
somebody else who's playing to their ownstereotypes. Right, And so you know
there's a lot of it's just sortof a weird thing. And I want
to ask you this, because talkingabout comedy and stuff, do you think
that people do that? Because ina deep down, in a deep down

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way, I think people look atwhat we do and most people go,
I could do that. I don'tthink a lot of people look at Leonardo
DiCaprio and The Revenant and go Icould do that. But I do think
most people look at what we doon stage and I could do that,
you know what I mean? Andso I think they put themselves in that
mindset and go, well, Icould do that. But if I did

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that, I would never do that, do you know what I mean?
And so it's I think it's justbecause they think what we do is so
easy and accessible and that there's reallynothing to it. I think there's I
think that there's some of that init, but I think the main thing
is just that it's so easy forthem to look at Leonardo DiCaprio and know
that he's it's easy for all ofus, and yeah, right, show

(01:00:31):
me. They know that he Listen, if I meet that gentleman, he
can have all my mayhem. Theyknow that he's playing a character. They
know that that that his name inthe film isn't Leonardo DiCaprio. And and
because you're not going on stage asBig Red or whatever the fuck you dirty

(01:00:54):
dirty Red, because because you're goingup there as Josh Denny and or your
tweet you're tweeting Joe as Josh Denny. I think that that's where the problem
is is that it's it's hard forsome people to separate who you actually are
versus who you're playing. Well,don't you think that's a big part of

(01:01:15):
like how podcasting has helped comedy becauseit's given the audience a peek at behind
the curtain of who people really are. Did I lose you? Man?
He's frozen. He's probably playing withhis mayhem. M we get Chandler back.

(01:01:42):
This is the fun part about technologyas people's fucking shit freezes. Yep,
I lost him. How about you, guys, how's everyone in the
chat doing good? I hope load? No, Now this is racist,

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just blacked out the screen. Nothingmore racist than that, I guess,
right, guys, quick, Qand a Lando are you going to Austin
anytime sooner? Perform? Maybe Julyor August? Working on it the summer
will be I will say this aboutlive dates. The one thing I will

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say I learned about Wilmington and NewYork and everything else is there's still a
lot of like um comedy is.It's good to be back doing shows,
but it's still not the same,still not the same with all of the
COVID shit, with all the protocolsthat clubs have, with all that stuff,
and you know, it's still afucking pain in the ass to do
live shows compared to the way itused to be. You know, it's

(01:02:52):
there. Some of the bars.I want to be careful about how I
say this, but like some ofthe bars are good at it, Like
the one that I the two I'vebeen too recently to do stand up at,
are pretty good at managing all ofthe different shit that you have to
do to comply in every state isdifferent. But that's why I say,
like, so if there are ifI do do more live dates through the

(01:03:14):
summer, before all this shit is, all the protocols and everything are done
away, they will be in Texas, They'll be in North South Carolina.
They'll be in these places where they'rereally loose with the fucking protocols to begin
with, because I just don't wantto deal and traveling right now fucking sucks.
Like unless you're making unless you're makingsignificant money to do a show,

(01:03:36):
you really have to weigh the fuckingpain in the ass that is traveling right
now. So yeah, it's like, I really do have to a question
like do I wanna Do I wantto go travel and do gigs and stuff
and make okay money or do Ijust want to stay in town and build
my podcast and make okay money.You know, That's that's kind of the

(01:03:58):
catch twenty two about doing live dates, you know, and in here in
LA like the clubs, some ofthe clubs are like you need to be
vaccinated to perform here, which Idon't know if that's quite legal, but
it's interesting to kind of see thatthat's already a thing, and comics have
different opinions about it, so we'llsee. Man, I don't think we're
really out of the woods yet withstand up stuff, but I'll tell you,

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Austin is fucking cool. Some ofmy friends in comedy are doing real
cool shit down there, and Iwould love to go be a part of
it, even if it's for acouple of nights. Even if it's just
to go hang out, that'd becool. So yeah, Austin probably sometime
in the summer. And then I'mreally trying to do some stuff with Ty

(01:04:40):
rivera who I fucking love and andI think a lot of people who like
me will love Ty River if theydon't know who he is. So I
want to do some stuff with Ty. We've talked about trying to do stuff
in the Southeast, like Wilmington,North Carolina, South Carolina. I would
do probably somebody said Charleston, Definitely, Charles Maybe. Somebody said House of

(01:05:04):
Laughs is more concerned about firearms,so masks are nothing to them. No,
I don't think we had any issueswith firearms there. By the way,
House of Laughs in Wilmington, Delawareone of the best run fucking clubs
I've been through. The staff thereis awesome. I did a video about
their chef in the kitchen. Youngdude is pretty fucking good in the kitchen.
The food is all great. It'sone of the cleanest, most best
run coming. I mean, it'sonly ninety days in it should be awesome,

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right, But they do a greatjob there, and go support them.
Man, it's starting. This isthat I was explaining to these guys,
you're getting into the tough months nowwhere even you might even have some
big name comics that have trouble fillingseats because the weather's getting nice and people
that have been inside all year arenot going to necessarily be like, yeah,
let's spend one hundred bucks and gosit inside and watch something. Now,

(01:05:48):
I do think people want to seelive entertainment, so I think it's
kind of ways out, but it'salso competitive market. You've got Punchline Philly,
You've got Helium and Philly, soyou've got some big clubs. They
eat up a lot of the bignames. So these guys got to get
kind of creative and pluck some dudesand some cats that have not really been
booked a lot in those areas thathave followings and whatever. So but I

(01:06:12):
hope they do well because the owner'sgreat, the uh, the staff is
fucking great. And if you're inthat area, you want to go see
a good show, go go toHouse a lass Man. Support those guys
because I want to see them makeit. They're doing doing great ship and
we had fun man, even eventhough some of the show we had to
show Thursday night that Thurday. Normallydon't do Thursdays. That show Thursday.
We had three people. But boywas it nice to run the New Hour

(01:06:34):
in front of almost nobody because boywas I fucking rusty. Um, But
yeah, I got to Uh,I got to do it for three people,
and fortunately two were a couple andthey basically the show just became for
them and they were very good sportsand they were fun. But um,

(01:06:55):
they do um. They do stuffon normally Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
So go if you're in the area, go see them do club. But
as far as the other day,it's yeah, if there's anything more this
summer, it'll be the Southeast.It'll be Austin. I want to do
San Antonio. We did, wedid the pilot of Genomous Food there.
There's some cool people there. I'dlove to coordinate to a show with.

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And then Dallas. I think allthose would be good. Maybe Nashville.
I like Nashville, that would bea good place. Charleston I love.
I always tell people if I everleft, if I ever left LA,
I would go to Charleston because it'smy favorite city that I've been to ever.

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So love Charleston. Definitely want todo shows there. I don't really
know comics in comedy and Charleston nowthe only people I know that are there,
Like the Danny McBride people. Theyshoot all their ship down there in
South Carolina now and move their wholeproduction there. But none of those guys
are stand ups. Let's see otherquestions. I heard a rumor you're a

(01:08:00):
former Division one hockey player. Ididn't play Division one. I wanted to
play Division one. That's why Imoved to Minnesota. I thought I was
going to be a Division one hockeyplayer and then I just got into music
and shit. But Division one Iwas a goalie and I was pretty good
in peewees. I played for theDelaware Mighty Ducks, not as famous as
the Disney Mighty Ducks. We didhave the same number of black players,

(01:08:25):
which was fun, but yeah,no, we I was good in Peewee's.
We didn't have high school hockey whereI lived, so I played through
high school and then when I movedto Minnesota, I moved a sort of
at the end of the season.And when I when they told me like
you could go out for the team, I was basically told by the coaches
and players like yeah, dude,all these kids have been playing together since
they were super young, so aseven as a junior, you would not

(01:08:47):
play higher than junior varsity. AndI was like, fuck that, I
don't want to do that. DoI still have my bass guitar? I
never had a bass guitar. Idon't play bass. I played guitar guitar,
and I have that still. Um, let's see. There was another
one. I said, Oh,incoming info on your upcoming show on Gavin's
network. I can tell you thatI'm the first episode of that is being

(01:09:13):
shot this week and we'll see whathappens. I haven't talked to Gavin since
I've been back from the East Coast, so I got a touch base with
him. But I'm excited about it, and I hope you guys, you
know, if you guys are membersof censored dot TV, I hope you
watch it and you dig it.But it's yeah, it's I don't want
to talk any a bit more aboutwhat it is because I don't want to

(01:09:33):
spoil anything, but I'm excited aboutit. I've been writing it for the
last two weeks, the first pilotepisode, and kind of getting a feel
for the format and it'll be ahalf hour thing and it should be fun.
It's not a podcast. It's notgonna be a podcast. It's gonna
be like an actual show. Um. Yes, it is a paid site,
Censored dot tv. That's the website, Censored dot tv, So go

(01:09:57):
join. There's a lot of coolshit on there. Now. You could
obviously watch the full video versions ofGavin's podcast. It's like compound, it's
like it's like locals, It's likeall these things, and that show'll only
be available on Censored. I won'tbe available on locals. The Darkest Hour
will still be out for everybody.The wake up Call will still be on
locals, and then this thing we'redoing will just be for that, So

(01:10:17):
go check that out. What brandgoalie pads you have? None? Now,
motherfucker. I had heating. Ihad them. I had the Martambro
door heat and goalie pad. Well, I had Cooper goalie pads, and
then I had heat and gloves andsticks. What stick did you use?
The fucking run Hextall Sherwood dog thatwas the stick back in the nineties.

(01:10:40):
So that's fun. Yeah, no, this is cool. You guys have
some decent questions and stuff, butyeah, Austin, stay tuned for that.
I'm hoping to do more of these. I guess we lost Chandler for
good. He probably had something.Die says he hasn't having technical difficulties.
That's probably an interesting way to be. Like the family came home early and
the house is noisy. Um,but yeah, that's it. We're good.

(01:11:05):
Oh yes, so he says JakeGolden. Yeah, there's a ton
of stuff on there. There's alot of copper. Cab was doing a
show in there for a while.I don't know if he's still doing his
show, but uh, yeah,there's real cool stuff. And and you
know, listen, I'm always lookingfor places to do whatever the fuck I
want, man, And that's whatthat's what I love about Gavin. That's

(01:11:28):
what all about what he does.He does whatever the fuck he wants,
whatever he thinks is funny. Andthen listen, that's what this whole episode
is about. That's what the DarkestHour is about. And uh, you
know tailspin or duck ducktails. Ohwell, you know, I don't necessarily
like ducktails as much as I likethe theme song covers that I've heard over
the years. Those are funny.Um, but yeah, this has been

(01:11:49):
a fun episode. Uh, eventhough he's gone now. Thanks to Chandler
Raper for Thanks for to Chandler Raperfor coming on momentarily and leaving us all
wanting more, which I think ishow we feel with most rapers. Am
I right? Thank you guys fortuning into the darkest hour. We're right
at the time anyway, it's aboutan hour ten. Um, you know,

(01:12:12):
subscribe. This is on all thepodcast platforms. You can subscribe to
YouTube. You can watch it onTwitter live when we're there. Um,
go to my locals if you wantto support me. If you want to
check out new episodes of The wakeUp Call, you can also see my
old TV show for the Food Networkon there. It's the only place you
can find those old episodes. Um, and I hope you guys like that
stuff. Thanks for tuning in andwe'll see you on the next one year.

(01:12:56):
Now, distance between I and Iand the room I get to the
time to be time you live far, I don't know. Nothing can't be

(01:13:23):
better. Let one time. Ifyou live far, who you should ask
somebody? Because I've got nothing tolose. Tonight I misplaced my life to
night. She started my friends awaytonight. I don't say the right things,

(01:13:43):
I don't blood the right way.That's just what I mean. I
listen to my music too loud andwatch too much. Dam