Dave Weinbaum Show- July 4, 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Not to be known about being.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Gens.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Want to get it off your chest. You're in the
right place. They accuse this show of being run by boobs. Well,
let me tell you about us, boobs. We're real and
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(00:37):
and one thousand cities around the world. We just finished
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Speaker 2 (02:15):
All right, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Dawn, Hey Bill, JP, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
In the studio, Good morning everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Is this the first ever guest host of the Dave
Winbaum Show, is it?

Speaker 5 (02:27):
You know, here's the deal. I don't know if it's
the first ever, but I know it's the first ever
since we've done it in this platform.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Right, the podcast platform.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yes, so usually this is definitely an unprecedented show. We're
doing the first of a kind of this is a first.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
This is the first and you know, kind of like
the first true republic, Yeah, which was of course not Canada,
the United States.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
This is Oh yeah, did those people follow you in
don Yes, they do.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
They follow me everywhere.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
I go.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
No, you know that is especially paying overtime for that.
Today for the fourth of July, they're on holiday page.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well, all those aren't paid. Those are real organic peoples
of course, who are patriotic and you know groupies for
Don Mayhew.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Now some of them happen to be here for the parade,
so we was able to unless those. I said, I
got to tell a little story. While I was waiting
on the sidewalk out in front of a guy comes
running by and he goes, you're here a little early
for the parade. I said, No, this is a This
is a not is a less than hostile takeover of

(03:33):
the show. It's not like, you know, when the CIA
would want to take over a Banana Republic. They did.
I say that out loud, some organism, that three lettered
organization would want to take over a Banana republic, that
send twelve guys over to the radio station and and
instantly they had a coup. Right, But this is more
like somebody left the door open kind of a thing.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, it's a hostile It's more like, is there anybody
who possibly want to cover for me while I'm gone?
Is there anybody who could just wants to talk more
and more. It feels the only good to talk enough.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
You know, I can't think of I can think of
a bunch of people for that. How did how did?
How did he end up on us?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
They did a casting call for the guys old guys
for the Muppet Show.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
They were like, they're like building out a lot of them. Well,
I got the soul for it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Well, you know, wait, we often, you know, take this
day for granted. And I think you feel the same way.
Bill is that I couldn't think of anything better to
do on July fourth and talk to folks about freedom
and liberty.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah. I think that's you know, today's a special day.
It's not just fireworks and hot dogs and barbecues. It's
creating something that is exceptional in history, which is a
government by the people for the people. Yeah, you know,
republic the public comes that work for thing of the
people means we create it. It's not a king ruling
over us. It's a government that's supposed to be accountable
to us.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, it's the it's the flip of that exactly. You know,
It's it's the folks. Folks are in charge of their government. Now,
now we have recognized that, certainly in the recent paths
where the government has tried to flip that around on us.
But the very words of the Constitution and including the
Declaration of Independence, make it our duty to keep them

(05:24):
from doing that. And that's how it was structured. It
was meant to be that way.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, you know, the we got the we the People movement,
We the people, you know, and it's kind of kind
of viewed as a conservative movement or viewed as a hey,
the government's gone too far movement, But that phrase comes
from the preamble, We the People in order to form
more perfect union. Yeah, and so in our in our
founding documents, we recognize that the power of the government

(05:48):
comes from the people, right, it derives its just powers
from the consent of the government. And then the rights
that the government is to protect and secure come from
our career enabled rights from our creator. So the Founding
Documents lay out that philosophical governmental presa that there's no
I mean, the French Revolution didn't have rules like that,
not even close. The French Revolution didn't have that. The

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you know, the communist revolutions of the twentieth military that
were populous they missed those elements that rights don't come
from the government, they come from God, and that the
powers of the government are only justly derived from the
consent of the government. That's something special about America. You've
had other populous uprisings. You could argue that Julius Caesar
was a populist. You could argue that in Octavia Caesar

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Augustus he was a populist because they they looked to
the masses, they placated the desires and masses. They played
on their desire to attack an elite right. Even socialism
did that, but they all missed those elements that because
once they came in power, you know, whatever rights you had,
what were determined by the government. The government was its
autonomous thing. That was that was that had you under

(06:54):
its thumb, and there wasn't any restriction on it. Right,
there was a restriction it like an American ranks. Yeah, exactly.
So the founding precepts of America make it so it's
a revolution like no other. You know, all the revolutions
for thousands of years before US weren't like that, including
the Roman Republican Empire, and then the revolutions that followed
America weren't like that. They lacked those essential ingredients that

(07:17):
I think made us, you know, had the potential to
be a just contr Yes.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
In fact, it's so it was summed up. I think
we're in the federalist papers where the people are the sovereign. Yeah,
under our current constitution, the people are the sovereign. And
when you think about it that way, and certainly in
the context of that time period, you know, they were
always ruled over by a king, and in fact, even

(07:42):
with England at the time was a parliamentary quote unquote
democracy or parliamentary monarch, right, And so with the idea
that the parliament had control when in reality they didn't.
There was a sovereign above them and could anything that
they had put out, And in fact, that's how we

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ended up where we're at.

Speaker 7 (08:05):
Right.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
The king became a tyrant, well a little bit less
than what we've actually seen now, you know, with our
past government here, especially with the four years prior to
this to this year, we saw a government completely out
of control, being very tyrannical. And let's face it, the

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American Revolution was really centered around taxes, right, and that
was the bigger greedious foul. But they from the context
of your freedom and liberty. What was the government doing
in order to infringe on that? Well, they were exerting
their authority through the use of collection taxes and oppressing

(08:47):
their people in that manner, and and probably not without
good reason.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Right, The.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
French and British War of the time cost England a
lot of money. And where was most of that or
a lot of that fought was right here? However, you know,
our forefathers established a different method by which to address
those problems, putting the people in as the sovereign so

(09:16):
that they could decide those things.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, I think that's definitely true. I think it's definitely true.
And I think that those are really good points to
think about it in the fourth of July and Independence Day.
And I think that you and from my point of view,
the four years of Joe Biden is more egregious than
King George.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
Way more.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know, you talk about COVID lockdowns.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Now that's not in support of King George, by the way, No,
that's right, No, I would. I don't have a King
George constituency.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I curtly on the side of George Washington, right, definitely,
you know, I won't do the thing. But I guess
I do the thing. Definitely the founding fathers. You know,
I'm George Washington. Chad Perkins has been Franklin. There's no
doubt about it, you know. But I'll take George Washington.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
He needs a different pair of glasses.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
He kind of reminds me a lot of meat. He's eccentric, genius, right,
so uh uh yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
So it was a shout out to you, Chad. I
know you're listening.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
A good guy, just had a baby. Just happy for
Chad and his family. Go ahead, No, but okay, So
what did Joe Biden do it his turning neat the lockdowns?
COVID the government controls the mean of production. You could
have your papers to travel.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
He quartered soldiers in people's houses. Oh no, wait, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Do it well in a sort of a sense. I mean,
he took on types of emergency powers. But it's interesting too,
like what makes even Joe Biden even worse is it
wasn't even Joe Biden doing it. We know now that
it was the administrative state. It was AI, well, it
was the it was the it was that circle, it
orbit around the president running look unfettered.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
So I think you're probably worse than AI.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well, hey, as a whole other subject, we can talk
about that. I mean, I definitely get to that.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
That's that's a freedom and liberty thing.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, right, good morning, JJ. Is this your first time
counting on the Dave wine Bomb Show without Dave Winebaumb.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I believe so well.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I have then in common with you. It's my first
time with the Dave Wine Bumb Show with that Dave
wine Bomb.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Too, well, I have. I have snuck in during the
night before and pretended to be Dave White Winebomb. But
other than that, oh yeah, that was you.

Speaker 8 (11:12):
You guys mentioned that the revolution was largely on account
of taxes. I must add something to that. The British
demanded that citizens of are not yet country housed British
soldiers and their residences. And that's stuck in the craw
of many of the colonial folks. And so it was

(11:36):
not only taxes. We're not only going to take your money,
but we're going to stay in your house. Those were
the two things that really triggered the revolution. Didn't mean
to try to correct you, but I was listening, and yeah,
that that was an important piece.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I'll add something too, and maybe get your thoughts on it.
You can read the list of redresses in the declaration itself. Yeah,
you can listen to these things they want to correct,
but then you can also see the things that they
want to correct from the British soldiers in the Bill
of Rights itself. Yeah, the first Amendment that the government
shall not establish a religion like the Church of England

(12:14):
or a bridge speech. Right, you could assemble, you could
form groups. The second Amendment the right of the people
to keep in bare arms. The third Amendment the quartering
of soldiers. The fourth Amendment the generalized search warrants. So
what happened was people would criticize the king, they would
form groups, they'd have you know, small groups or clubs,

(12:34):
and they would be seditious against the king. So the
king would issue a generalized warrant and the soldiers would
come into their home and they would seize their firearms right,
and they would say, you're not allowed to say that.
They'd take their muskets for their weapons from them, and
they would go through and they would take their property
and seize it. So the Bill of Rights itself is
a list of stuff that happened to the colonists, right,

(12:55):
in response to their criticism of the government of the Crown,
and they just wanted to make these caveats that the
American government was not allowed to do that list of things.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, there was a there was a popular well popular
it was. There was a TV show on here a
few years back that Sons of Liberty, which comes from
the actual Sons of Liberty, and it was a show
about that. But there's a really good segment in that
about the quartering of soldiers in the homes and it
really helps you understand that Third Amendment. But that's how

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important they thought that was that no government should be
able to deprive you of your life, liberty, and your
pursued happiness and your treasure. And so that's so they
recognize that governments would have that ability and the and
the Third Amendment was put in there. People laugh about
that today, it's like, well, we don't have British soldiers

(13:46):
going to be quartering in our homes. Well, wasn't about
British soldiers, right, it was about anybody's soldiers. But once
again goes right back to that thing about the people
being the sovereign.

Speaker 8 (13:59):
Well, understand, guys, I'm two hundred and seventy seven years old,
according to Day I Live that I my team.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Are you still on sourcial security at that age?

Speaker 1 (14:09):
I am.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
I did have a visit by some fellows in a
black van that seder, you JJ, Bradshaw and show us
your birth certificate.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, mine was scrawled.

Speaker 8 (14:23):
In h incursive on a piece of parchment, and those
two fellows couldn't read curse cursive.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Oh well you were you got lucky millennials. The millennials.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
There was obviously those trying to see what waste front
of uses come in your ways.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
And I think these two were Democrats. They had that
smell about them.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
So some folks think my birth certificate was chiseled into
stone somewhere. Not not, because to make it permanent. That
was the only writing, uh media available at the times.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
That's what he'd done a year to get his real ID.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah exactly. I had to get a truck to ca
the certificate.

Speaker 8 (15:00):
Theres Well, if you guys you listen to Dave Show
all the time, you know I normally start this thing,
yeah right, grousing about our federal government. And I intend
to do something of that this morning, if you will
allow me.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Oh my goodness, I don't know if you put up
with or what is more fitting on the fourth of
July then to let you grouse about the federal government.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh I think, so get to growsing.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I can't wait.

Speaker 9 (15:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (15:26):
There's a lot of folks around Rawa that pay close
attention to local politics, state politics, county politics. I'm the
guy that focuses on federal politics.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Well, you know what Tim O'Neill said, it was all politics.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Things are happening at the federal level. The fact is,
and in.

Speaker 8 (15:45):
Our little burg of Rawa, Uh, your kids go to
school with the politicians kids, you go to the same church.
There's some accountability there. You get to the county level,
ats a little less. Get to the state level, it's
a little less. And by the time you get to
the elected representatives of the federal government, you really have
no input at all. So I'm going to grouse a

(16:06):
little bit. I don't know if you guys listen to
podcasts or not, but the DNC our buddies, the Democrat
National Committee, decided that they would put together a podcast
to counter the podcast of Joe Rogan, who of course
is a conservative fellow, and they came up with this

(16:30):
little stinker called The Daily Blueprint. If you've never listened
to or watched The Daily Blueprint, by all means, take
ten or fifteen minutes of your precious life and watch
this ridiculous garbage that is being spit out by these folks.
It is very much left wing. Okay, June the eighth

(16:52):
is when they started this thing. I watched a segment
of it yesterday just to prep for this show. And
this thing has a maximum of nine thousand viewers so far. Wow,
on a podcast, I'm shocking, which is practically.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Nothing on a national level.

Speaker 8 (17:10):
Why because the folks that watched that, including me, held
their nose and said, this is the most stinking piece
of garbage I have ever watched. And I wasted twelve
minutes of my life watching it. So tell you what,
Joe Rogan, you know, a pretty popular whole lot of

(17:31):
viewers this thing, The Daily Blueprint. Not so much Democrats. Please,
if you're going to try to beat up the conservatives
and you're going to try to get popular, do something
other than this liberal garbage. How about connecting with those
of us who might be nearer to the middle. That's

(17:53):
not me on way right, Okay, The big beautiful bill.
You know that thing that was all of the news
for this week. This thing finally passed the House to
eighteen to two fourteen, with zero Democrats voting for it.

(18:13):
I ought to tell you something. What that tells me
is it's probably a pretty good bill. Although I've not
read anything but the executive summary.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Against this.

Speaker 8 (18:25):
Two Republicans Thomas Massey and Brian fitzp Fitzpatrick voted against
this thing. Not surprising, I guess I look for those
folks to get primary the next time around. Democrats Hakeim Jeffries,

(18:46):
who is not one of my favorite people, demands of Moron,
spoke for eight hours and forty four minutes. I did
not listen to that, but he was trying to delay
this bill as much as he. This thing passed the
set of fifty one to fifty. Now by next week
I will have read this thing, because ninety pages takes

(19:09):
a little time, and we'll have a report on how
good or bad it might be. The Dems hate it,
so there's a fair chance that I will like it.
Let's talk about James Carville for a minute.

Speaker 7 (19:24):
Now.

Speaker 8 (19:24):
You guys have heard me talk about James Carville before.
For those that have been living under a rock. James
Carville was the political advisor for Bill Clinton way back
in the day. Pretty smart guy before he lost his mind.
He's a lunatic at this point, but he's still fairly smart.
Lunatic and I quote James Carville, Trump will do anything

(19:49):
he can to interfere with the midterm elections. And to
quote James, look what your party did the twenty twenty elections.
Look what your party did, and then tell me that
Trump will do anything.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah, a lot of it was a lot of the
big beautiful bill was necessary because of what happened over
the last four years.

Speaker 8 (20:13):
Indeed, indeed, if you look at the egregious behavior of
the federal.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Government during the.

Speaker 8 (20:20):
Most disgusting Biden administration, a lot of this is to
fix the problems that those clowns brought with them.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah, the border especially, and.

Speaker 8 (20:30):
None of this was an accident. Anybody that says, oh
my god, you know the my Orcus was just inept No.
For those of you who in Duke Missouri, Majorcis was
our border chief back then, and he opened the gates
let him on. D you think that was due to
inept No. The Biden administration says thou shalt let in

(20:54):
all these illegal agliens. Now, I look for, and I'm
not a conspiracy theory by any means, but I look
for some terrorist attacks in this country from sleeper cells
that came across that open border as a result of
Joe Biden and his capal, and that blame should be

(21:14):
placed specifically at their feet. Biden and company, you did
our country a serious disservice and I think you ought
to be tried for treason as a result of that.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
I agree, all right.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
A quickie on NATO.

Speaker 8 (21:33):
Now, NATO has stuck in my craw for a lot
of years because the United States funded the majority of
NATO for decades and decades. Even though the subscribing countries
had pledged to put two percent of their GDP in
for their common defense, none of them didn't, and nobody

(21:53):
ever beat them up about it. You know, the Bush
has said a few things about it. Clinton even said
some things about it, but nobody ever did anything about it.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Donald J.

Speaker 8 (22:03):
Trump came in, beat these folks to a bloody pulp
and said, guess what, We're not funding any more than
we have to. You guys need to kick in your
two percent or when you get invaded by the Russians
or some other folks, we're going to look the other way. Surprise,
Donald J. Trump have whipped these folks into line, and

(22:25):
some of them are actually pledged to put five percent
of their GDP in the common defense by twenty thirty five.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Because they saw what was happening in Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
And yes, ye, yes, you.

Speaker 8 (22:38):
Folks are not immune to what happened to the Crimea
and to Ukraine. So now, why is it that it
takes a bombastic, pushy guy like Donald J. Trump, who
I admire greatly. By the way, I don't particularly like him,
but I do admire him. Why is it that in

(23:01):
politics it take some bombastic guy like this to get
in your face to get something done. What about all
these career diplomats that have been playing around with this
thing for decades and not accomplishing anything.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Or or JJ more appropriately a billionaire, because it's hard
to buy off a billionaire, right, yeah, good luck.

Speaker 8 (23:22):
I'm paying him off. Yeah, I don't know what you got.
Maybe it's Russian hookers who peede and Obama stadn't.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
I don't know, but.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Still I wasn't supposed to laugh at that was I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's it's First Amendment. On fourth of July. You can
laugh whatever you want to you.

Speaker 8 (23:40):
Well, yeah, you'll find that I'm known to speak my mind,
whether I'm.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Right or not.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
JJ.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
The older we get, the less our filter works, isn't there?

Speaker 5 (23:51):
Right?

Speaker 8 (23:52):
Yeah, what are you going to do? Send me to Gitmo,
put me in prison. If you do that, you gotta
pay my medical bills. It's national debt will go up
by billions of dollars, so you won't dare do that.
Let's talk about planned parenthood for a minute. I noticed
you got Joe Dalton coming on. Is my friend and

(24:12):
very much pro life as am I. Our Congress actually
grew a set of cohonis and through the Big Beautiful Bill,
defunded planned Parenthood for a year. That's about seven hundred million.
Well some people say five hundred million, others say seven
hundred million. Ye yeah, Scotis in the South Carolina ruling

(24:34):
said that the federal government cannot fund Planned Parenthood because they're.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Not an authorized vendor. Yeah, good, it's about time.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
It's about time.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, that's something that wouldn't have happened in the last
four years, right, right?

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Did it happen?

Speaker 8 (24:49):
The last fifty years, So the murdering of babies should
not be legal anywhere on this earth. And how we
got to the point where we made this go out,
I will blame on right over Republicans, but certainly on
the Democrats.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Well, it's in the top three things, right life, liberty,
and the pursuit happiness.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Right life, big old's right on top of that.

Speaker 8 (25:13):
And if you look, you know, you can take somebody
like Nancy Pelosi, who is a disgusting, wretched individual in
my opinion, who is a Catholic and says, yeah, it's
okay to have it's okay to have abortion.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Where did you come up from that? Show me in
the Bible where that's okay? Where the hell did you
come up with that?

Speaker 4 (25:36):
There's a few passages that would disagree, right.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Can't wait to hear what Joe Dalton has to say about.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, no doubt. Hey, on the on the NATO thing went,
you think that really basically what we were doing the
United States, the people in the United States were subsidizing
the social welfare programs of Western Europe, but our politicians
kind of ignored it because well, they were making money

(26:06):
going both directions, right, and because a lot of that
involved defense contractors in the United States and US and
US paying money for munitions that we were ended up
giving to the Western Europeans and paying for the nuclear
umbrella over over Europe. So why why should they waste
their money when they could buy votes with with their money,

(26:29):
And so that's how we ended up with Western Europe
looking like it was there is right now right.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Think about this.

Speaker 8 (26:35):
Dwight David Eisenhower, our president and former General Meant, coined
the phrase the Military Industrial Industrial Compact was late nineteen fifty.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Absolutely absolutely, and.

Speaker 8 (26:50):
What the definition of that was, and everybody tried to
deny it was that the military and the arm manufacturers
were hand and hands. Get down the yellow brick because
they're all making money. Yeah, and it is to their
advantage to have nasty little wards here and there because
we supplied the ARMUFLES. NATO I'm afraid was a party

(27:13):
to that as well, because they benefited from that largess.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I just didn't bother to pay the bill. That's all right,
The United States will take care of that, no big sweat.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Well, I just I just read a story JJ yesterday
which was shocking. I can't remember all the numbers on it,
but it was talking about how how much our supplies
of munitions have been depleted from US giving away the
Jaguar missiles and all of those other things. All of

(27:45):
those have to be replaced. And then all of a sudden, it's,
like you said, the military industrial complex. We figure out
real quick what this is all about. We're not caring
about what those weapons are doing in Ukraine and Russia.
We only care about moving those through the system. And
who's paying for those munitions, right, it's the people of
the United States.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's you and me.

Speaker 8 (28:08):
It is even more fundamental than that. You're mentioning weapon
systems that are the high dollar stuff that take a
long time to produce, that have a long lean time.
And that's a valid.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Point, no doubt about that. We've depleted a great deal
of that.

Speaker 8 (28:23):
But it is more fundamental than that. I'm a shooter
and I can tell you that the supplies of civilian
ammunition in this country are rather quickly depleting because we're
diverting a lot of that manufacturing capability to resupplying the military.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Perhaps that is the way it should be. Maybe not.

Speaker 8 (28:46):
The Democrats in particular. If you recall Operation Fast and
furious that nasty little southern border bit of sending armaments
to the cartels. The thing blew up in our face,
and I'm glad that it did. But on a more
fundamental level, we ship ammunition across that southern border.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
By the Palette vote, Eric Holder should be should have
been prosecuted for conspiracy to commit murder in that deal.

Speaker 8 (29:15):
Eric Holder is a communist, and I don't know if
he should have been prosecuted. Maybe he should have been assassinated.
I don't know. I don't really carry the way. But
you know, the folks that perpetrated this stuff, and we're
talking Obama administration, although the Bidens were complicit in this
as well. They're providing a disservice to those of us

(29:39):
who are Second Amendment advocates who like to go down
to Walmart, buy a box of shelves and go plink
it in a paper target law abiding, responsible citizens, and
they're cutting off our supply. If you recall, Massacarden visa
a while back generated a code for armament, whether that beguns, ammunition,

(30:02):
reloading supplies, whatever, so that the federal government could track
who was buying what. Got a got a note for you.
Their federalalies. Once the rest of us realized you were
doing that, We paid cash for all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
So your your little party didn't didn't do too well,
not very effective. Yeah, I got one.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
One last thing. We got Joe here, so I give
you a few more thoughts, JJ.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
One more thought for you.

Speaker 10 (30:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
D OJ now if you recalled. During the Biden and.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
Obama administration's do o j was was seriously politicized and
became a corrupt organization all to itself. The new do OJ,
though is, I must say, is bright and shiny and
doing their job fairly well.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (30:54):
They just uncovered the largest healthcare fraud ever in the
history of this country. Three hundred and twenty four defendants,
ninety six of those are doctors, fourteen point six billion
dollars in fradulent claims through Medicare and Medicaid. This is
big organized crime and our healthcare system. And the fact

(31:18):
is our healthcare system is badly broken and has been
for years. Ask any doctor about the repayment schedule through Medicare.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
You can't get an earflow.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Oh no, it's it's absolutely true. I'm on budget committee
at the Capital and you talk about a shell game,
an absolute shale game designed to reach into taxpayer's pockets.
That's really all it's for.

Speaker 8 (31:42):
And it's done on a wholesale basis. Yeah, we're not
talking Nicholson times. These folks are taking it by the billion.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
It's forty percent of our state budget. Medicaid alone is
of our entire state budget.

Speaker 8 (31:55):
Well, if you recall the federales kind of thrust that
that on us, dedicade was a federal program. It still is,
but it is expected to be paid for by the states,
which means you're at the whim of the federal government.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
And so what percent. It's badly done, and it was
engineered to be badly.

Speaker 8 (32:16):
Done so that you, as the consumer this thing, are
the last person that they think of. Well, gentlemen, I
am done for today. I will listen to the rest
of your show. Be looking forward to talking with Dave
on Friday. I hope you all have a wonderful Independence Day.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Great to have been and say JJ, thanks for having
Thanks for talking to us. Is fascinating.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, absolutely, I'm happy for it.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Good day, gentlemen, see you JJ.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Okay, so now we got Joe Dalton, the man, the myth,
the legend. Yeah, prenesy resource Cineralla. You know the first
thing I want to do. I know you've done this
time after time, but maybe for all our benefit or
be tuned in, tell us like your story, where are
you from, how you end up in Ralla, How you
met Jane? Give us the backstory.

Speaker 7 (33:08):
Gosh, that's that might take my whole half hour.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
So so from SAT's safe to say your mom was
pro life.

Speaker 7 (33:15):
Yeah, I'm the youngest of eight kids.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 7 (33:19):
But and we have eight living children, Jane and I do.
But from Saint Louis. Jane is not my first wife.
We met in Springfield. Gosh, how many years ago?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Is that?

Speaker 7 (33:36):
Thirty five? Thirty five years ago? So basically she was
working at a radio station. I was working for a
seafood company.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
A seafood company like Red Lobster or something. No.

Speaker 7 (33:45):
I sold wholesale to grocery grocery store check.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Okay, cool.

Speaker 7 (33:50):
So I think my nickname was Joe Fishman.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
And that was a Springfield, Missouri.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, okay, and episodes not Springfield, Illinois or Springfield, Massachusetts or.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
No or no. My especially it was fresh seafood. I
traveled the country, but but I ended up in fact,
when I came to Ralla, many recognized me as Joe
Fishman because we used to sell to the stores in Ralla. Yeah,
so it was. But anyway, we met there. We had
bought radio ads with her radio station that she was

(34:21):
working for, and I, being the savvy marketing person, decided
to be a good idea to cook for the drive
time DJs, and I was cooking shrimp and lobster for them.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (34:34):
That's that's when when she and I met. But that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
So yeah, okay, so you did that, and then how
did you end up from you were living in Springfield.
What brought you to Ralla, Missouri?

Speaker 7 (34:46):
That's a big leap. So we moved from Springfield back
to Saint Louis, and then we decided to move to
Raala just to get away from the city. We had
all these little kids. Now we wanted to move into
the country. We hadn't picked Ulla all really picked us.
But when we moved here, we were running a national

(35:07):
pro life organization called Pro Life Communication, So it didn't
matter where we lived. It just mattered that I had
internet connection. Okay, so we moved. We ended up moving
to Raala and I sent out an email the next
day saying, hey, we moved. This is our new address.
I sent that to all the pro life organizations we
worked with around the country, and and I received two

(35:28):
calls that day basically saying the same thing. This is providential.
We've been begging God for a pro life anchor to
move to Raala. You're it. I'm like, what why you know?
And so known in the pro life movement at that time.
You know, they explained to me really quickly, you just
moved to a town with the planned parenthood and no
pregnancy center. I'm like, okay, we can help with that.

(35:51):
So we helped to start a pregnancy center. Now I
just envisioned myself working on the board, you know, as
a board member, a founding board member, not running it.
But God has his ways of manipulating the things.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Of making what he wants to have happened. Happened with you?
When did you start the Pregnant Secure Center? What year
was that?

Speaker 7 (36:11):
Two thousand and six is when we formed the board
of directors in two thousand and seven is when we
opened February of two thousand and seven.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
And what's that like? What's it like coming here and
you're in starting a nonprofit and like, how do you
like tell you about that experience. That's a leap of faith,
isn't it.

Speaker 7 (36:25):
Oh yeah, I the leap of faith actually happened before that.
You're going to have to hear the rest of the story.
So when we left the private sector and moved into
nonprofit work into pro life work was a big leap.
And Jan and I were both making six figures at
the time, and back then that was a lot. So

(36:46):
we were very, very comfortable. And you know, I was
in between jobs. I was on the way on the
way back from Memphis to Saint Louis from an interview
on an airplane, and I received a calling from God
and it was a booming voice and he told me
exactly what to do. So, yeah, people probably think I'm

(37:08):
weird saying that.

Speaker 10 (37:09):
No, I.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Mean, what was the I mean, tell me more about that.
I'm here.

Speaker 7 (37:14):
So I just took notes. I mean, you know, I
was like, nobody else was around me, and I took
notes and I get I would touchdown and I called
Jeane run on the phone. This is back when you
had use a payphone to do that, right, So I
rushed to a payphone and tell her what God said,
and he wanted us to start a national long distance

(37:38):
telephone company and donate the profits to pro life. And that's,
you know, nothing close to what we did for a living.
So her first question to me is what I drank
on the airplane? If I ate something bad?

Speaker 3 (37:54):
You know.

Speaker 7 (37:55):
But I get home finally, and I show her my
notebook and the first thing she noticed was that I
spelled everything correctly. That wasn't me is.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
You're a bad speller?

Speaker 7 (38:06):
Oh? Really bad? Yeah, so I still am, even industry terms.
I didn't understand the definition too, I spelled right. So
so that was a clue to her that man, this
this could be real. So we ended up arguing back
and forth with God for a while, and we ended
up doing it and.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
He usually wins that argument. By the way, I'm just
suggesting that there.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
Oh yeah, he won. Just asked, Paul, are anybody So
that's that's how I ended up in the pro life movement.
And then so we're having babies right and left at
that time in our lives, and we went to we
go to these pro life conventions and they're designed for

(38:50):
pregnancy center directors like myself to learn to continuing education
and so we're going to these things that I'm so
bored because when when all of the directors are in session,
I'm sitting there at my booth doing nothing right, So
I start to go to these sessions to not be
bored to tears. Then I'm thinking, God, why am I
learning this stuff? I run a phone company, I'm learning

(39:13):
how to run a pregnancy center. So for six years
I did this and I sat through those sessions and
then lo and behold, he has me running a center.
So it's like he trained me. Not only did he
have his way, but he trained me before it ever happened.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Right, he equipped you?

Speaker 7 (39:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yeah, I usually get that big booming voice, but he's
telling me not to do, which unfortunately not only works
about fifty percent of the time.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
So okay, so you start the pregnancy care center? Yeah,
or resource center? Is that He's right? Non to clature?
And what's that? Like? I mean, is it successful? Immediately
you get to build it? I mean, how do you?
And you're also countering the established plan PARA didn't roll
it right, which arn't that mini plan parent? In Missouri?
There aren't that many consistent staying planned parenthoods in outstate

(40:04):
Missouri Rall was one of them. You know, so what's
that like, what's the culture like? And ll I mean,
what do you tell me about that experience? I'm kind
of interested to hear.

Speaker 7 (40:13):
Well. I had opposition at first, even from the Christian community,
even from other nonprofits. We had one director of a
former nonprofit that came at me basically saying, there's no
need for this. You're wasting donors money. You know, there's
there's limited resources cause you're competing for the.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Space of people donating.

Speaker 7 (40:33):
Yeah, okay, so you know, so, she claimed she she
looked at the state records and there was only four
abortions for Phelps County the previous year. And I'm like, okay,
let's so, I said, let me ask you a question.
If we if we do all this, we go through
all this effort and we buy an ultra sum machine
and we open the doors and we save one life,

(40:54):
would that have been worth it? And it shut her up.
Of course it's worth it. You say no to that, right,
Each human life is worth isle. And in our time
since then, four five babies have been saved in Rolla,
which is mind boggling to think about.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Yes, and out of that bunch So the calculation that
I did was of the since roe v. Wade that
there were two thousand, one hundred and some odd Einstein's
that died, and and then about four times that Elon Musk. So,

(41:35):
you know, whenever you think about the impact that Roe v.
Wade has had on on life in general as as
time moved forward, you can't help it. Just shake your
head and say, why did we do this?

Speaker 7 (41:50):
Yeah, and they'll go down in history as one of
the worst things ever in history, the abortion stain.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, I do think that. I thought that since I
was a kid that that just like we look back
hundreds of years ago and we go, how could people
have done that? That one day we'll look back and
this time period will go how could America have been
so barbaric? And how could we have done that? But
you know, I think we shape history by our actions, right,
what we do, and what you write and what you say,

(42:18):
and what actions you take and what you stand for.
I think that all that all. You know, It's like
we're talking about how God equips people and uses them.
That's how you know, He uses people to shape kind
of what's going to happen. So I think everything that
everything you know what, what me and Don doing the
legislature matters, what we speak up stand for, what you
and Jane do matters tremendously because that there's a baby

(42:39):
that doesn't It doesn't even matter what that child does
with their life, doesn't even matter what it What matters
is that they're alive. It doesn't matter what career they pursue.
What matters is there's a person who's breathing, who's existing,
who has life, you know, and and that there's a
family that has that connection, and there's a person that
gets a chance to live. And just like everybody said,
that's in calculates, that's invaluable.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
That's a child of God.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
And those four and twenty five children will likely have
children of their own, and and so on. So you
think about the riff that would have been there if
God had not called us to do this so right time,
right place, you know.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
So that's you don't just do pregnancy counseling. I've visited
you guys here a couple of years ago when you
were talking about well, first of all, if you've never
been to the pregnancy Resource Center here in Rawala, oh
my goodness, when I walked in, I was expecting something
totally different. I think I mentioned that at the time.

(43:43):
I was gape joed pretty much the whole time through.
But then the icing on the cake is is what
you do after the baby is born. So can you
tell us a little bit about how that works.

Speaker 7 (43:55):
Well, we provide support for that mom and that family
for as long as they need it. It's it's We've
always had the attitude that no mountain is too high
to climb, and God has plenty of money, so don't
be afraid of money, you know, just know that he
wants you to save that baby. So you know, the

(44:15):
probably the most expensive service we provide is is housing.
We have our maternity home called Bridges, and but.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
You also have that education program that goes along with that. Yeah,
go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (44:27):
I mean, anybody that has met my wife realizes that
the brains of the outfit is her. But she, when
we were getting ready to open the Maturnity home a
couple of fascinating things because I, you know, my whole
goal is to buy the home and get it open, right,
So I envisioned us throw and use furniture in there

(44:49):
and opening the home. And She's like, no, So that
no meant that I was committed to. Then five weeks
of painting after that in the middle the night. But
but but what she said is that the women that
are going to live here are the daughters of the

(45:09):
creator of the universe, and they're going to be treated
as such. And by the way, if you if you
want me to teach them to take care of nice things,
you got to give me nice things in the in
the in the first in the first place, and in
Mitch Pissini, he's probably listening, is the one that got
stuck putting together all the Ikea furniture, furniture and still
courages about it. That was what eight years ago, at

(45:32):
any rate, that was the first step. And then while
we're doing all this and we're waiting on the home
to open, Jane was looking and looking for curriculum. The
curriculum she wanted was to take them to self sufficiency.
So these women are going to be homeless and they're
gonna need us, but when by the time they leave,
she wants them to be self sufficient. Well, she searched

(45:52):
and couldn't find that curriculum, and a little ticked off,
she went at it and she created created and wrote
this criculum herself. It's called My Ridiculously Amazing Life and
it has just been such a pleasure to watch watch
it unfold, watch it work, to watch these women being emboldened.
But it's a it's based on the seven core competencies

(46:13):
of self sufficiency. So it takes them one step at
a time to that goal. So we first find out
what their goal is. In the first couple of months,
we're not going to find out that goal. You know,
if you ask a woman that's really been struggling, they're
in that amigia, that fighter flight mode, you know, so
if you ask them, what's your goal, they're going to say,

(46:35):
to eat dinner tonight. Yeah. So but once we get
them to dream, you know, what did you want to
be when you grew up kind of thing, we'll find
out what that goal is. And then the I mean
she meets weekly with a life coach and the coach
will walk her through well, you know, in order to
be a surgery technician, and they graduate, making them we're

(46:56):
almost fifty grand right away. You know, you're going to
need to do this and this, and you know, they
calculate how many steps that is and it's like, let's
do three or four steps a week and then we'll
get there eventually. And you know, so we get them there,
we don't even kick them out at that point. We
never kick them out. But well that's a different story

(47:17):
if they if they break the rules, they get kicked out.
But basically, they got to be debt free. They got
to be on their own two feet. They got to
be ready to go and to launch. And that that's
been awesome to watch. Many women have been through the program.
Four of them are now homeowners for the alumni.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
That's amazing.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Yeah, which is really cool to think about, and so
many of these ladies are like hyper successful. Afterwards, tell
us what some of the career paths that these ladies
have taken afterwards.

Speaker 7 (47:49):
Julaimo was she was O. She was our hardest one,
hardest one to get to dream. She was a well
she was an actual dreamer. So because she wasn't a
full citizen and she wasn't allowed to have FASTPA or
any grants or anything. So it took her a while.
But she's now an X ray technician working in Kansas
City and she's making like a lot of money.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Yeah, an X ray technician, right, not on subsidies, not
on government subsidies, the actual taxpayer turning those into I
don't want to make light of that, but I just
want to point out that that if we're going to
have a social warfare system, then that has to be
the goal, moving those folks out so that they can

(48:30):
be independent. And without your program, most of these ladies
wouldn't have had a shot at that.

Speaker 7 (48:37):
So right, I mean very much sort of have a
dream of that program expanding across the state, and I've
actually talked to the governor about it, and it's I
talked to you guys about it. The reality is that
would be cool because the program is very deep, it's
not very wide, so if it could be offered to
more people, yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Yeah, I got to get it out there. I mean,
that's and it's you know, all of the people say, well,
you know, it's just not this one thing, it's not
that one thing, but it is one of the things,
right right, and so maybe it's not the solution for everybody,
but it is a solution for a lot.

Speaker 7 (49:13):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, we'd love to see that. I think that what
you're doing is it is an examplar for people can
do around the state, and we talk about, you know,
how much that how much that baby's life matters, and
that that person's life matters tremendously. But we're talking about
what our duty is as people who are trying to
follow God, trying to do the right thing, trying to serve,
trying to help and and make sure that that family,

(49:38):
that mom and that baby have a have a bridge
right to their best possible life. And I love that too,
because we're all in that survival. Although to describe that
it's not just moms who get in survival, all of
us do. Or we're like I just need to get
through that, like I just need to find food, you know,
I just need to not break down today. Everybody has
stuff like that. But then when you have time and

(49:59):
you know, when you to help those those hierarchy needs
get met and you go, you know, what, what are
my dreams? What's my purpose? You know? What am I
here on the earth doing right?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
You know?

Speaker 4 (50:09):
So Joe and I, you know, we we often face
that question that you come from a family of eight children.
I come from a family of ten kids, and and
sometimes you get sometimes parents and you know, with with
those kind of groups, it can be number eight or
number five or whatever. My mom. H you always knew

(50:32):
you were in trouble when she would use all three
of your names. And yeah, that was bad news. That's
a that was a long the the Green mile walk
to the the Elm Tree to you know, choose your
your weapon of destruction there. And uh and but you
know the other thing too, is that coming from a
family that size instilled a lot of independence in us.

(50:54):
I believe at least it did for me, because Mom
wanted us out of the house, right, you know, she
had things to do. And so I spent most of
my childhood playing with the rocks and the trees and
our and our small acreage. And and uh, we sometimes
forget that, you know, the dynamics of those of the

(51:16):
it doesn't actually matter what size your family is, but
you know, those big families, there's a there's a lot
of politics involved in that, isn't there?

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Jail?

Speaker 7 (51:25):
Oh yeah, what's thet I'm the youngest though, so I
was always considered the one that was spoiled to death.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
John, what's the beast stand for? In Donald B?

Speaker 11 (51:35):
Me?

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Yeah, bad dog.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I always thought I've been telling people Bartholomelee forever but
what what is it?

Speaker 5 (51:43):
Really?

Speaker 2 (51:43):
What's your middle name?

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Soon?

Speaker 4 (51:45):
I'd rather not say it was foisted on me in
my youth before I had had a choice. I'm not
a big fan of my middle names.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Okay, fair enough, fair enough, like Harry is Truman kind
of thing.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Okay, it's a Harry S. Truman.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Okay, that's fair. All right, Joe, So you got some
stuff you want tell us about what's going on? Do
you have more?

Speaker 7 (52:05):
First of all, I mean, we need I'm sure you've
already talked about the big beautiful bill.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Yeah, but not match, I mean, but go ahead with it.

Speaker 7 (52:12):
To your stuff, Lan Parenthood has been defunded in that Yeah, absolutely,
So we're talking five hundred million dollars was yanked from them,
you guy. You guys know better than I especially you
because you're an attorney. But will that get tied up
in court?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I don't know, but it does to be it it
probably will, But it doesn't matter to me. The Missouri
legislature and don can attest this too. We've done how
many different ways to cut off planned parenthood from medicaid funds,
from state funds, and somehow it seems like the Missouri
Supreme Court always strikes down whatever effort is. It says
those Medicaid dollars have to go to planned parenthood. But

(52:48):
that doesn't mean that when we literally will come back
every year, we'll find another way to cut them off
for funding. And I'll just do that indefinitely.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
We have them. I think I'm the fourth multile liberals
Court of the fifty states in the Union.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, so planned Parenthood, you know, they act like they're
a I'll just criticize them for a little bit. They say, hey,
we're a healthcare provider. They're not. They those healthcare services
are farmed out. They're an abortion connector, and that's they're
in the business of abortion. And the history of planned
parents and how they developed is you know, one of
the most nefarious, insidious histories too in the world. And

(53:25):
so my argument for various reasons, not just the fact
that we shouldn't fund the murder of innocent children, but
we shouldn't fund an organization like that that has a
background like that anyway. So there's lots of reasons why
I think, you know, it's illegal to have the taxpayer
dollars go to plant parenthood, and it's immoral and it's
not what we should, So to me, the no taxpayer
dollars should have been low hanging fruit in policy. You

(53:45):
don't have to be as pro life as me to
say that we shouldn't have tax payer dollars funding it.
But the courts, see how, they always seem to have
some way to reconstruct it and construe it. And that's
just part of the battle of what we're they're battling over. Right,
We're just going to come up new ways to do it,
and as long as we're there, we're going to keep
trying to make sure that that the tax but you know,
the money taken from the public at large is not

(54:07):
going to fund the murder of children, but it's going
to protect their lives the exact opposite. And I think
that you know, we've talked about the building blocks of society.
When we have a society, it's based on that protecting life.
We can build all kinds of things around that. That's good.

Speaker 7 (54:22):
But yeah, well, in Trump's first term, they were they
were on this bandwagon of saying that that abortion is
like less than five percent of their services, so therefore
it's you know, we're not that bad, right, so don't
defund us. Well, Trump in his magical mind, in his
business mind, goes to them and says, looky, it's only
five percent of your business, why don't you stop doing it,

(54:44):
and I'll increase your money. Yeah right, I'll increase your stuff. Yeah,
and just quite doing it. They backed away, back away,
because it's all of their business.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Well, well, actually, so if you look at their so
not for profits have to submit I forget the it's
some form to the federal government. If you look at that,
even their money from government sources is a tiny part
of their budget. And so they're getting donations from people

(55:13):
and what why are they getting those donations? It's because
they supply that service, right, even though the government part
of that funding is tiny. I don't remember the exact numbers, shocked.

Speaker 7 (55:27):
So it's to last year they met their their income
was over two billion dollars, just over two billion, and
then seven hundred and seventy one thousand or seventy one
million is coming from reimbursements and from government. So it's
it's a chunk of it, but they could certainly make
it without it.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (55:47):
So, I mean pregancy centers don't get any funding.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
We're doing just fine, right, Yeah, and you could see
that's right, and the same thing. I mean, you provide
medical services, you provide and referrals to things people need, right,
and so the different.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Will actually make sure that they actually get those services right. Yeah,
and that's what I've been impressed about. And I'm going
to throw a little shout out to Jane but on
once she grabs a hold of something, she does eternals
of it. And you've got to be thinking three D
E chess if you're going to have a conversation with her,

(56:21):
because she is hard to keep up with.

Speaker 7 (56:23):
So yeah, So the other thing I wanted to give
you news about is I'll give you the stats in
front of you, but I'll just so here's Phelips County
Focus publicist for me. So basically, in two thousand, when
al Gore took credit for the abortion pill being approved,

(56:45):
they did the clinical trials. They have to do a
clinical trial, right, So they did that on thirty thousand,
nine hundred and sixty six participants and they really cherry
pick those people when they're doing the trial anyway, you know,
they give them a health exam before they do it.
So so they came back to less than point five
percent experience serious or adverse side effects, so that it

(57:06):
was approved right. Well, now we have new data and
it was published by the Ethics and Public Policy Center,
but it's kind of under the heading of be careful
what you wish for. They kept hammering these insurance companies
to pay for the abortion pill. Well they finally said yes.
So now we have actual data from eight hundred and

(57:28):
sixty five thousand, seven hundred and twenty seven patients showing
that they paid for the pill right the churance company did,
and then their immediate care right after that. But what
they came up with is ten point nine percent of
these eight hundred and sixty five thousand or so or

(57:50):
ninety four thousand, six hundred and five of them had
adverse effects totally different, you know, ten times what they
said it was. So we're talking about septis hemorrhaging, infection
within forty five days, you know, even hospitalization. And one
of the interesting parts about this is it also included surgery.

(58:10):
And what was that surgery for an ectopic pregnancy when
back in the day before planned parenthood, when we had
a seventy two hour waiting period here and we had
the protections of that. When they went to plant parenthood.
They had to go and you know, they had to

(58:30):
go to meet a doctor first, they had to have
an ultrasound, they had to confirm they were less than
ten weeks gestation. Well now they just ordered it online
and it shows up. That's my problem, that's the big problem,
and it's not planned parenthood doing. I'm convinced plan parenthood doesn't.
Like these guys like pirates. We don't know what country
they're from or whatever, but they are. They're shipping in

(58:52):
this into our homes and you know, they could be
twenty two weeks, we don't know it, and they're taking it.
What does that do to them? Now if they happen
to have an ectopic pregnancy and they take the take
the abortion pill, guess what, that baby's protected inside the
tubes so it doesn't abort, and that woman goes along
with life and ends up she could die from that.

(59:16):
So back back when planted parenthood was controlled by your legislation,
you know, where they had to have the seventy two
hour waiting period where they had to meet with a doctor,
all those different things. Guess what, there was actually medical oversight,
which was good. These women weren' dying.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Any one would think a medical procedure made medical oversight.

Speaker 7 (59:37):
Right, right, But but now you know you don't need
that apparently, So and the thing that upsets me most
about buying these pills online as you go and you
and I can go and order them right now and
say you're a woman, and and say you're you're eight
weeks along, lie through this thing and it'll approve you.

(01:00:01):
You're being asked medical questions, but the approvals like that,
so you know a doctor didn't read it. And then
when you're checking out at the very end, a blinking
light will come up and say, wait minute, if you
buy another set of pills for next time, I'll give
you seventy bucks.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Off, oh my goodness, for next time.

Speaker 7 (01:00:21):
So not only we did not have medical oversight, but
we have no way of tracking that one, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
There's no questionnaire associated with it at all. There's no data.

Speaker 7 (01:00:32):
So there we are, well on.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
And so a word about those studies. Obviously, the drug companies,
for actually scientific reasons they picked like you were talking about,
they go through a hell screening to prove that they're
in perfect health because they don't want some comorbidity affecting
the side effects of the drug. The problem with that
is is that the drug then is disseminated to the

(01:00:57):
general population that may or may not be in perfect health.
And so how does that skew that number? Well, you
found out right, that study right there proves how much
that the study, the statistics, the justification for approving that
how that is skewed by the fact that we start
with the population which would be able to tolerate some

(01:01:22):
of the worst effects of that. Then when it's applied
to the general population, when we find out that real people,
the average person out there may or may not have
a more adverse effect. So that is an excellent point.
Thank you for finding that out right.

Speaker 7 (01:01:38):
Well, I mean, it's just some data for you to
next time you're arguing in front of the Democrats there,
give them a little data to go to the website.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
We call that debating. Debating, Is that what that is?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
We argue and we debates.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
Unless you're film motto, of course, in which that's a
kind of an inside joke.

Speaker 7 (01:01:58):
He I was, I was, I was on and I
was asked to be on Governor Blunt's task force to
study the effects of abortion on women that's that's a
few years back there. So I'm on this task force
and I was blown away because at the end of
every meeting we had, we had to let the pro
abortion women get up and talk, and they every week

(01:02:20):
they had the same speech rehearsed, and they just bloviated
and bloviated and bloviated. And I turned to the attorney
that was running this thing and I said, do we
really have to sit here and listen to this? It's
been the same thing for three weeks, right, right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
And so.

Speaker 7 (01:02:40):
Back then there was this search engine that basically it
told the world who you are based on articles that
were written about you. So you would find Joe Dalton
on this I'll I'll remember the name of the engine
in a minute, and you would find me and it
would say board, member, founder, all these different titles, and

(01:03:02):
then it was egregiously rude member. So so you click
on that link and it takes you to this article
by Planned Parenthood USA or or Pro Choice USA or whatever.
I was like, well, it's a badge of honor. So yes,
I was egregiously rude, kind of gregeously rude.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
Well, I wonder what the what they would apply to
me what's worse than egregiously.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah, all your enemies tell you what you stood for.

Speaker 7 (01:03:30):
Did zoom info was the was the thing? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
And of course everybody says that Trump is really rude.
That's why some people don't like him. He's so rude.
I mean, so right, come.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
On, well before you go with us, what just want
to tell us?

Speaker 7 (01:03:43):
I'm sorry, Yeah, we don't get any state funding, did
you know that? Or federal funding. We get text credits.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
So, but yeah, hey, wanted we passed a little something
as a little bit of an improvement. And now it's
built one twenty one, so it has it been signed,
Well it's not signed yet, but I well, I can't
predict anything that happens in state government. So but what
it did was it took that tax credit and change

(01:04:10):
it from fifty to one hundred thousand dollars, so you
can take take the tax credit up two hundred thousand
dollars now. And it obviously extended the sunset on it
also at the same time, but it's.

Speaker 7 (01:04:22):
Not going to be one hundred percent. It's still seventy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Percent same as it was, same as it was, but
it increased those limits. Now regionally, we took it to
one hundred percent on the House side, but once it
got over to the Senate side, well you know what
happens when it gets over to the Senate.

Speaker 7 (01:04:36):
So they kicked it back to seventy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
But we get to the left that they took that
part out, but increase the amount from fifty to one
hundred thousand dollars. You could take them one year. So
that should be a that should be a pretty good deal.

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Thank you something good. Yeah, so you get a Walk
for Life coming up?

Speaker 7 (01:04:50):
Yeah, So our Walk for Life is coming up September sixth,
twenty twenty five, Lions Club Park, ten Am. We want
you to be a part of this. It is it's
a really fun event. Yeah, you can hold that there.
So last year we had almost four hundred people there.
But basically, if you think about it, you know, having

(01:05:17):
that many people in one place with one the same
T shirt so that I'm glad you were born, it's
just really cool to have that that. But it's a fundraiser.
So what we asked people to do is to either
walk with us or run with us, and to ask
people to support them. So you go to your friends
and family and say hey, I'm walking in the Walk
for Life. Can you sponsor me? And you'd be surprised

(01:05:37):
most of them will say yes. But really most of
the donations come online. When you register for this event,
it's at support MYPRC dot com and then click on
the Walk for Life thing support my PRC dot com
and you will when you register, your very own web
pages created for you, so you can actually share that
on social media and via an email asking people to

(01:05:58):
sponsor you. But here's the thing. It costs us about
a thousand bucks to save a baby. You know, I
mean you you sit there and you say your pro life,
but do you know how to save a baby today?
I'm giving you the answer to that. This is how
to save a baby today. You know, we've been around

(01:06:20):
and around. We have all these corporate sponsors that are
giving us all these gifts to give to our top
walkers and which is very helpful. So when you raise
one thousand dollars, you get to pick a gift. I
mean there's a JBL speaker and a Yetty bottle or
whatever water bottle or things like that. But you're also

(01:06:42):
inducted to a very exclusive club called Joe's Dinner Club
and that is a celebration of a successful Walk for Life.
So we meet at Colton Steakhouse and if you can
imagine the group last time, we had eighty five people
there and everybody in that room raised enough to save
a baby at least. So that's a pretty awesome group. Awesome,

(01:07:05):
awesome group to be around. You want to you want
to hang with that group. So so I'm giving you
that opportunity as well. But now if you can't walk
or not from around here, that's great. We asked that
you go to support my PRC and find that link
and click on it and and donate sponsor one of
the walkers or runners that are already there. So you're

(01:07:26):
going to be helping us in that way.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
And say that again, Joe, what what is the website?

Speaker 7 (01:07:31):
Support my PRC dot com. Support my prc dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
And I also want to make note of the sponsors
at the bottom of this sheet, because I obviously they're
putting their money where their mouth is and being sponsors,
and so I feel like we also need to make
sure that when we have a need for doing business,
we do business with these people exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:07:50):
And they're you know, they're they're taking a risk of
taking off pro pro choice people by being on there,
and they don't care.

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
These are these are local establishments to the Raleah Felts
County area. And like you said, Joe, they're taking the stand.
I mean, they're they're putting their name right there. This
is what they're supporting. That's that's major.

Speaker 7 (01:08:11):
McDonald's is there too, Yeah, And these are.

Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
These are prominent names here.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
And and also you know, I'm I'm going through this list.
There's several of these that that I've been doing business
with regularly. And it warms my heart to know that
that I've been, you know, going through supporting these local
businesses that have also been supporting Pregnancy Resource Center. So
that that's really good. So that will renew my efforts.

(01:08:36):
And and I'm going to encourage those out there who
are not on this list they maybe want to get
on this list, right.

Speaker 7 (01:08:42):
Yeah, And if you do, apparently you could donate one
hundred thousand, no, no, two hundred thousand, because if you
if you increase the tax credit to one hundred thousand,
you could update you can donate up to two hundred
thousand dollars and get that tax credit.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Yeah, I hadn't hurt to mention that more than once.

Speaker 7 (01:09:04):
Excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Well that's completely awesome, Joe. Thank you for coming by
visiting with us, I think, yeah, well it usually is
a Jeff City sounds.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
A little bit like they everly brothers.

Speaker 7 (01:09:17):
I'm feeling down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
No, what you do matters, and we can't thank you
and Gene enough. And we're here to support you and
just let us know what else we can do. And
thankful to everybody who's helping save people's lives. That means
a lot. So and I'm glad you're born.

Speaker 7 (01:09:29):
Joe. I'm glad you're Hey. If you want to come
by the walk yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Yeah, oh no absolutely. Last year was the first one
i'd missed and and I just I couldn't get it,
couldn't get in the schedule.

Speaker 11 (01:09:40):
Bit.

Speaker 7 (01:09:40):
And if your campaign and managers want to have a booth,
I'll give them a boot.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Yeah, well appreciate that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
That'd be fun. I'll put you right next to each other.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Yeah that would.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Yeah cool.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
I have plenty of rubber bands. Thanks for talking about Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
You, thank you. You a good day, all right, jap do
you take a commercial break? Okay, it's still a commercial break.

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Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
Yeah, wow, wow, that is such so impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
You know, the thing about the shows you don't realize
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one host of the show, it seems like three hours
ago by slow. Yeah, but it just flies by really well.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
Now kind of depends on who you are, right, And
so I think my wife tells me I talk in
my sleep, so yeah, it's pretty easy for me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
What do you say?

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
Well, probably things that make a lot more sense than
when I'm away.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
But well, I've come to our recaps with things JJ
said right about like the national politics about NATO. Oh yeah, yeah,
the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about in nineteen
sixteen is Farewell speech. What he was saying is, once
you tie a financial interest to something, which I want
to circle back to, why I think it's relevant a second, right,

(01:16:53):
those people, there's financial interests starts to shape the US
policy right instead of the interest the American people. And
that's why I think was happening in Ukraine for sure,
is that there are defense industrial partners and contractors who
want to sell more ammunition, who profit off war, and
that's definitely affecting they'd be car it's not affecting our
policy in Ukraine. But one thing I want to I

(01:17:15):
mean to add is that it's not just defense industry,
it's also the pharmaceutical and medical.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
Industry, right right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
It's that people make money off of keeping people sick
and keeping people on medicine, and that's shape in our
national policy just as much as well.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Okay, sure, no, absolutely, you know that anytime you include
profit motive there will be people who have tried to
take advantage of it nefariously. And you know, I love
your analysis there on that there was there's money in
selling munitions. There's a lot of money in selling minitiones,

(01:17:51):
and you know, the politicians are making those decisions and
we find out later that they're connected in some way
to some that and which was exactly what Eisenhower was
warning us about. That is the military industrial complex, that
is the sum total of it, and they which takes

(01:18:13):
us back to the constitution, the civilians. The military is
subject to civilian let's control, which was totally different than
any other country and most of them since then.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
Go, now, this this clip I'm going to play doesn't
talk about the military. What talks about healthcare and why
there is a complex when it comes to that, And
I think it's a great way to kind of explain it.
Well with two.

Speaker 10 (01:18:41):
Thousand beds, right, Okay, we want to know out of
the thirty one days this month times two thousand beds,
that's sixty thousand times that these bets could have been rented,
how many times were they rented? We were at eighty
nine percent. Can we get it to a ninety two percent?
We need people staying in our hotel to make money.
The business model of a hotel isn't to have only
ten percent of the room's being used. So what's the

(01:19:01):
business model of hospitals? I must be totally different, right, right,
So we need those bats to be filled. And by
the way, do you know what's the number one industry
of the most money they did last year? Energy oil?
You know that's only a half a trillion. You know
it's number one?

Speaker 7 (01:19:16):
Hospitals?

Speaker 10 (01:19:16):
Yeah, one and a half trillion dollars. Hospital models. I
need six people, big pharma models. I need new diagnosis,
A contractor's model, military contractor, I need war, mainstream media.
What do I need? Controversy, cony, chaos. When you actually
look at the business model of what these guys are doing,
they need chaos and problems to keep making money.

Speaker 6 (01:19:36):
Just up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yeah, I want to make a segue to make America
healthy again too. Starting that so, Eisenhower. Eisenhower makes his
warning about the military industrial complex as part of his
farewell speech. And it's clear and this is post World
War two, arguably when the national security and the defense
security state is at its peak, right in the nineteen fifties,
when it's most prestigious in American history. And Eisenhower's point

(01:19:56):
is that if people make money off war, they're going
to make sure there's more war. They're gonna make sure
there's more conflict because there's billions and billions to be made.
And that's and that's a lot. When you're getting to
the billions, it's don and I can tell you this,
once you start crossing billion dollar industries, they get pretty upset.
They've been upset at both of us before. But so
and the reason why that, the reason why that's this
interesting segue to me is because I heard that the

(01:20:18):
interviews with the RFK Junior Balwin his uncle was assassinated,
John F. Kennedy, and he's at home and his dad's
with the CI His dad, Robert F. Kenny's with the
CIA director asking did you guys do this? What's your
involvement in this? And then you know, his own dad
being assassinated and he and he and he, the Kennedy
brothers had this viewpoint that there were these entities that

(01:20:40):
would just have perpetual wars and make money. Well, RFK
is and so he didn't. You know, RFK is the
one who makes that point today about our pharmaceutical and
healthcare industry that there's a lot of money to be
made in chemotherapy. There's a lot of me money made
an abortion. There's a lot of money to be made
in making sure that hospital workers all have the flu shot.
Do you know why hospital workers have to have the
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(01:21:03):
upon whether or not they have a flu shot requirement
in the hospital. So how did that happen? Well, there's
a card company that makes that shot, and they somehow
got it into the federal policy that if the healthcare
provider wants the money. Same with the army too. Why
is there a flu shot requirement in the army. It's
because somehow along the line Pfizer got it to be

(01:21:25):
a requiremental legal requirement that everybody has to take. This
is a flu shot. So then what do you think
what happened when the COVID shot came around the mRNA shots?
Right that there's a company that created something. In the
case of mRNA and I'll guess since we've got time,
I'll break it down a little bit. Messenger RNA is
is a genetic strand of genetic code that instructs your

(01:21:49):
cells to do something. That's what messenger RNA is. Messenger
rna existly, it structure DNA your cells to express themselves
in a certain way. So human beings have messenger rna
naturally that we produce and it get into yeah, like,
and it makes our body do certain things. Well, in
the case of the COVID shot, messenger RNA instructed the

(01:22:12):
body to produce the spike protein. It made your cells
make the spike protein. And the theory on that that
why they thought it would be effective is that your
body would produce ana bodies to then respond to the
spike protein that was found in the covid virus. But
a couple there's a lot of problems that. One is
it's entirely experimental. Two is that how your body reacts

(01:22:32):
to the spike protein is all kinds of ways that
we don't know. It could land in your heart and
cause heart inflammation, It could change the way that your
T cells are developed, your immunity. It can cause all
kinds of issues. Right, caused clotting in the blood, this
strange blood clotting.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
There's always we found that out from autopsis.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
There's all these effects, right, But you had a company,
you had a few companies, Maderna, Pfizer. They had this technology.
They genetically they coded it for a bight protein production.
Then they made everybody in the country take it without
any trial studies. With whatever. They said, if you want
a job, if you want to be in the military,
if you want to travel, if you want to fly
on an airplane, you know, you got to extreme as

(01:23:12):
they could possibly get. Everybody has to take it. And
it was a disaster. There are a lot of people
that have adverse health effects. We know that a lot
of people had strokes and heart attacks from them who
developed cancer, right, So I mean it's just kind of
the example we're talking about. And when you go fight
for something like this in the legislature, which we have,
which our compatriots have, you know, it just runs into

(01:23:32):
massive resistance because there's so much money so pharmaceutical entry.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
And I'm glad you brought that up, and we often
wonder why that happens. But you know, when I was
talking about earlier that Medicaid forms forty percent of our
entire state budget. Forty percent of our entire state budget,
I can't say that enough. And just imagine all fifty
states in the Union. It got to be somewhere in
that same category, right. And once you find out real

(01:23:59):
quick that being on budget committee, is that, well, you know,
there's not a whole lot of those Medicaid dollars that
are spent on smoking cessation or drug treatment or weight
loss preventative type of things. And the only conclusion you
can draw from that is that, well, there's a lot
more money and cancer surgery than there isn't smoking cessation programs. Now,

(01:24:22):
I will give a shout out to our current director
of MO Health that which is our version of the
Medicaid program here in Missouri, Todd Richardson is trying to
change that trajectory. It is a shame that early on
in my freshman term that MO Health that wanted two
pieces of legislation, but neither one of them if they

(01:24:44):
were fairly innocuous, but would put some inoculous to the
put some of the reduced some of the increases in
Medicaid spending in the state of Missouri. And we couldn't
get that out of either one of those bills out
of a Republican controlled budget committee. And why is that?
And because there was a lot of pressure put on

(01:25:04):
members of that committee, and so we end up seeing
these out of control costs. Well, fortunately that Todd had
come up with a program as I was proposing some
legislation that would try to affect that trajectory, because because
I could just see this thing just exponentially multiplying every year,

(01:25:27):
and so he goes, well, he says, we're coming up
on the new program that has more of those healthcare outcomes,
and which is what I was shooting for was that, Hey,
if we're going to pay you all this money, there
should be some kind There should be some result at
the end of it, right, Why are people getting sicker?
To your point earlier, And what RFK was saying is
why we're spending all this money and people are getting sicker.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
We spend the most money and we have the sickest
children in the world. And I think what happened with
COVID was a lot of people were watching saw what
they were being told on TV. They saw what some
duck were telling them, they saw what it was being
shoved down their throat, and then they saw like you
and I saw constituents walking up to you. I can't
tell you this is all sort of the eye owen
experiences of COVID. And so whatever people want to rewrite

(01:26:11):
my Wikipedia page about or write about me being a cook,
they can't take away what I know happened.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
I didn't use the word cooke whenever.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Here's what happened during the vaccine mandate, and as a
state representative, I'm one of the few people were in
this position. I'd walk down the sidewalk and somebody walk
up and say, my thirty five year husband had a
heart attack. My twenty eight year old husband had a stroke,
and I go, that's weird, crazy, And then I turn
on another person and say that. Over and over again.

(01:26:43):
People would walk up and they would say, now he
has heart problems. And they don't know each other. Their
only person they all know is me because I'm their
state rep. Right and that, and so that happened over
and over again, and I'd hear this other hell, help
excuse me, this other health outh can happen, And it
was just like constant you talk. I'm gonna get a
coffe roper.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Yeah, okay, so now I get to talk, so thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a per.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
My voice is that's what I put your coffee bill
with window missed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
My voice is back, so so so like it was
just something that I knew for a fact was happening
that people are calling saying, you know, my husband has
these blood cloths, this stroke, and so I know, and
you can't. You could go to the legislature. You go
to the legislature and the Democrats would go perfectly safe.
You know, I believe in science, which I believe in
science is the most ludicrous phrase in the world. You

(01:27:30):
don't believe in science. Ask science is asking questions. Science
is being skeptical. You don't believe in science, right, Science
is when you're going, what do we not know?

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
Now, that's the way science used to be bell No.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
That's yeah, So you're right because I like science. I
used to want to be a scientist. Yes, science is
not I believe something sciences. What do I not know?
I ask questions about it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:51):
I have been suspicious of the government for some time.
I remember as a kid thinking it'd be easy for
somebody to control the guard I remember having this thought
even as a child, and it's so, it's just I've
always kept this. I want to say a pestimate, but
just kind of watching the tea leaves, so to speak,
and just kind of watching things play out. And when
COVID hit, I was already my Intendo's up. Okay, this

(01:28:13):
is this is not what they're saying it is, but okay,
I'm it's got people freaked out. We're just gonna see
what happens. And my wife was not nearly as political.
She's conservative, but she's not as politically involved as I am. Obviously,
she's a twenty year r N, so she knows medicine.
She knows medical science. And when Fauci got up there
in his white coat and says, so here's what we're

(01:28:34):
gonna do. We're going to social distance and we're going
to do all this stuff in bubble because medical science
says that's what we should do. She goes, no, it's not.
That's the exactly oppostion what medical science has taught us
to do all this time. Right, she goes, the best
thing is get immunity, and you get immunity by getting
exposed to it and let your body fight it off.
And it was like they went against everything they had
taught us. And when she said that, I went, uh, oh,

(01:28:55):
we got a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
Yeah, they they expected us to forget the high school
biology that we were all taught. Suddenly that doesn't count anymore.
And so I love the way you were talking about that.
You know a lot of us, you know, we joked
a lot prior to COVID. We joked about conspiracy theories
and tenfoil hats and all that stuff. Well, you know,

(01:29:19):
what we got to finding out was that through a
series of things during that period, that the conspiracy theories
were true. And so there's you know, while the little
green Man argument is still out there, right, you know,
it's okay. The reality is is that many of what

(01:29:42):
were we were told were conspiracy theories turned out to
be true and not the least of which is ivermectin.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Yeah. So, so one of the consequences of COVID is
we question things, right, we don't trust the establishment or
science or not science, but like what's being told to
so ivermectin is one of the things that only came
to the public consciousness. Was first came they during COVID
right and the media land based it is like hearst
Horsted warmer animal whatever. But there's a human approved ivermectin.

(01:30:13):
And I first we learned about ivermectin when we went
down to I think it was a Rearrakeed America tour affiliate.
It was in Springfield, Missouri, and I was down there
with the Senator Curtis Trent actually, and there were a
line of nurses and doctors who came up and this
is actually the first time I even really heard about him.
They lined up and they were talking to me because

(01:30:35):
they had told them that I was going to file
a no COVID vaccine Mandateville and so this is like
December twenty twenty one, and they like literally made a line.
I can never forget it. And the next doctor came
up and told his story and he was like, I
could lose my medical license for telling you this. And
the nurse came up and told their story, and then
they started to say, and we're not allowed to prescribe
people ivermectin, and I was like, what is ivermectin. They

(01:30:58):
were like, well, if you call it in and you
say it's for COVID, they'll cancel the order. So I
have to call in and say you have these worms
or something right, or I have to say whatever, and
then they'll they'll let they be prescribed. And they're like,
we have to lie or they won't approve it anymore.
But I'm the doctor and I know what this person needs.
They need this anti viral, anti parasitic, you know serum basically.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Well, so in honor of Dave not being here, and
I'm sorry, Lisa, because I'm gonna go ahead and play
this is Dave's song that he recorded about this very topic.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
I vermect him, I ever met him. I take it
by the pill ivermectum, I ever met them. The pandemic.
It will chill ivor mecht him I ever met him.
I let it take its course. Ivermect him, iver mecht
him now naying like our horse.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
So please talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:32:01):
Well I can.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
I am you know this is not scientific, but I
am convinced that hydrox clorquin and I remected and saved
my life when I got the delta version of that.
And a little bit of story behind that, which still
upsets me to this day, is that my wife and
I both were sick, and so we went to the
doctor or our local doctor COMC by the way, which

(01:32:26):
is a federally qualified clinic and has an office over
in Rolla or office in Rolla and over in in Rachela, Missouri.

Speaker 7 (01:32:34):
And I.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
We went in and the and the lady who treated
us said, n said, well, you got here just in time.
You know, we'll give you this hydroux clorkin and I've
remac and h but she said, I'm a little bit
worried about the pneumonia that you have, and so here's
what I want you to do. If your oxygen falls
below ninety you need to go to the hospital and
get a breathing steroid. She said that clears it up

(01:32:58):
and you will have no problem. And so, as a
matter of fact, that's what happened. My wife got down
to about eighty five and I was at ninety practically overnight.
So we went to the hospital just thinking we go
in and so as it turns out, we were separated.
One of us went in one doctor and my wife
went in to the other doctor. So I get in

(01:33:18):
there and the doctor says, well, are you taking anything
for this? And I said, yeah, you know, I got prescribed.
I remaked an hydroxschlore quin and he goes, well, he said,
that's what I would have given you. He said, you're
not bad off right now. He said, I'll get you
this breathing steroid. This will clear up in a day
or two and you'll be fine. And he said you
will carry this cough on, but for a while. But
he said that's a good thing, and he goes, not

(01:33:40):
a problem. He took a chest X ray and gave
me the breathing steroid. And I go out and my
wife's already in the waiting room and I said, wow,
how did you get through so quick? And she goes,
no sooner than I said, I wasn't vaccinated he couldn't
get me out of the room quick enough. And I said,
so you didn't get the breathing steroid.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
Yeah, he goes.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
She said no, she wouldn't give it to him. And well,
now there's two doctors in the same hospital, right, totally
different approaches. So I went back to the desk and
I said, I want my wife to go see that guy.
And I was told at the desk, well, you can't
do that. You've already seen a doctor, he's already made
a diagnosis.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
You have to leave.

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
And so we did. And so I went to another hospital.
And I don't think I was gruff, but I was.
There was an imperative in my voice. Sure, right, and
so and I insisted that she get the breathing steroid.
Otherwise within a day or two she would have been

(01:34:41):
on a ventilator. And so, right there, what does that
tell you we were assuming they were both equally trained.
You know what the biggest difference between those two is
the doctor I had mid to late fifties guy. The
doctor she had was I don't know, ten minutes out
of me medical school or something.

Speaker 14 (01:35:01):
And so.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
Some more conspiracy theory stuff is the college educated folks
back in the seventies and the eighties, totally different mindset
than those you know educated now.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
So I don't think doctors are taught science as much
as they were before, and taught biology and anatomy as
much as they were before.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
And I got into an argument with a family member
of mine who it's a cousin. She's very liberal in
her thinking and all that. And when COVID hit, you know,
we were talking at a family thing and I said, yeah,
I'm not vaccine. She goes, well, you can't do that.
You have to get vaccine. I said, why, said, I'm
making a choice for myself. I don't trust it. I'm
not going to do it. She goes, yeah, you didn't

(01:35:41):
get that shot to protect me.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
Didn't you get one? That's what that's supposed to do
for you. I don't need a shot to protect you.
I'm choosing to get shot and not to protect myself.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Yeah, if you want to get to protect you, you
have the.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
Freedom do so. I also had the freedom to say
I'm not going to right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
It really did change the way we think about I mean, yeah,
and exactly, it doesn't keep you from getting it. It
didn't keep you from spreading it. People who died with
the COVID vaccine, they died af from taking it. They
got real bed sick. They got it three or four
I remember the legislature seemed like everybody who was triple vaccinated,
they kept getting COVID every couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
I still know people that weren't today within the last
two weeks who are vaccinated. Yeah, they were out all
of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
It's real sick. I got COVID. They all got wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
And so that's what's been born out by Senator Johnson,
all the research that he's done, it's been born out
that actually taken it interfered with your body's natural process.
It's not like the Jonahs saw vaccines and all of those,
where it exposed you to the dead virus so that
you would get that T cell response so that your

(01:36:47):
body would fight that off. This thing was interfering with
your body's ability to do that. So as soon as
the quote unquote affects what little there was would wear off, well,
then it re exposed you to that possibility. But now
there are studies out there saying, now it it it
injured your your T cell response so much now that

(01:37:09):
people are getting cancers that no one would ever get
unless their immune system had been depressed, like AIDS victims
and people like that. And so this thing actually was
another form of those immune deficiency syndromes that people get,
and it was done intentionally.

Speaker 5 (01:37:29):
So the funny thing was about two years ago. You know,
you're supposed to do the annual check up with the
doctor and all that, and with mine, I typically get
lab work done, and so two years ago I told
my doctor said, hey, it's let's get this request in.
Here's what I'm going to check you for all the
usual stuff, cholesterol, you know, all this kind of different stuff.
And I said, hey, can you test for COVID antibodies?
She said yeah. I said I want that. I want that. Okay,

(01:37:51):
not a problem. So he went had lab work done
me with her. Two weeks later when she has a
full slate of report and she's going over stuff one
by one and she gets to the COVID and she goes,
you're not vaccinated. I said, nope, not even one time. Nope.
She goes, well, that's interesting because you had you have
twice the amount of antibioce somebody vaccinated has right, she gos,

(01:38:12):
which means you were exposed to it at some point,
your body fought off.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
You have immunity.

Speaker 5 (01:38:17):
You cannot she said I and I will write this up.
You cannot get the shot because you will get sick.
You don't need it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
The science, the most interesting statistics in it was early
on and most people just gloss over this and don't
pay attention to but it's it is very instructive on
what happened after that. And so they were claiming an
efficacy of about eighty five percent. Eighty five to ninety percent,

(01:38:44):
I believe is what they said. You get the shot,
you're not going to get COVID was It turns out
that eighty five percent of the people who contracted COVID
wouldn't even know they had it. Okay, So is the
was the shot actually providing the efficacy?

Speaker 7 (01:38:59):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
And and so we say, well, you know, scientifically, somebody
has looked at this and done it scientific analysis. But
what COVID taught us was there was no science in
it anywhere. It was about selling the.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Shop profit and politicans.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Yeah, and when they used the American people as a
test bed for this new device, called mr NA. Now,
what better test bed you have than two hundred and
seventy five million people out there, because you could collect
a lot of data from that, and they did. And
the only problem is is that the data they collected

(01:39:36):
would tend to think that maybe somebody needs to be
held accountable. And uh, and there is the real problem
here is that no one's being held accountable. And Fauci
is for at the very least guilty of conspiracy to
commit murder. And my cousin, my first cousin, was one

(01:39:56):
of those.

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
And so here's the other thing too, is you talking
about collecting data on us? Was the other data they're
collecting this to see how many people, how how many
of us would not comply? Would just being told you
have to do this because I actually risk losing my employment.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Same over it. Yeah, no, to touch on all that
one by one if you don't mind. So when I
testified I had the COVID bill and committee, I testified,
there's an NIH study that people that had SARS in
two thousand and three, seventeen years later, their T cells
from SARS were cross reactive with the COVID virus, which

(01:40:34):
meant and so SARS is more genetically dissimilar than all
variations of COVID than all variations of COVID were from
each other. So there at least some people that had
immunity seventeen years later after the people who survived charges
contracting it. So there was that there was there's a
type of natural immunity that people can have. There was
no reason to take the code and that's like scientific right.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
Well, I mean the biology is really actually pretty simple,
and this is what we were taught in high school
is that no virus wants to kill the host. So
it's usually the first there is the second version that
does most of the damage, and then every mutation after
that it fades out. It's not that it's not present

(01:41:14):
because it's not going to affect you because just like
every other living organisms, survival is the key, right, Procreation
is the approcreation is the key. That's that's the survival
of the thing. If the host dies, you can't procreate.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Yeah, the most lethal version of the virus dies out.

Speaker 7 (01:41:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
All the Spanish flu yeah, bowl is you know it.
Bowl is about example because it's super leathal right, but
hemorrhagic fever's viruses like that Okay, So here's another point.
So m RNA, we had this, it has it has
these terrible effects on all these people who took the
COVID vaccine. But you remember in twenty twenty three, and
I do want to give a shout out to Holly
and talk about the Holly did. Yeah, if we don't

(01:41:51):
get to that, we we'd be remiss to do it. Yeah.
But in twenty twenty three we had this discussion. We're like, hey,
and it was you know, it was Holly's bill, and
I hope she files it and I know eventually we're
going to pass it because it's the frontline bioethics issue
our time, that the gene therapy techniques, someone couldn't modify
your genes, couldn't use gene therapy on you without your consent.
That was a general idea. Now, whether that's through a shot,

(01:42:13):
whether that's through putting, it's we're not talking about genetically
modified organisms, so it's a whole another example. But putting
something in your food supply that will modify you genetically
creating that vector, right, people should have consent on it.
That was the issue. And so we kind of said, well,
if mRNA is going to be everywhere. We think all
the vaccines are going to become mRNA vaccines, and in
January twenty twenty three year told now, that's crazy, you

(01:42:34):
guys are ridiculous. Well, by the end of that session,
we'd start putting amendments mRNA amendments on different bills and
that was then the kind of all heck broke loose,
and then we were told, well, that's the technology. All
things are going to be mRNA because it's cheap to manufacture,
it doesn't require this. It's faster to manufacture because if
you if you use it attenuated or dead virus, right

(01:42:56):
like the classic and the vaccines of today are not
the vaccines of fifty years ago or six years ago.
But if you take some time to curate that and
to cultivate it, right, I don't have to do this
hair MARNA. I can go into an AI program. I
can say this is what I want this protein response
to be. Create a genetic cod that'll that will deliver
this message the cells. That computer program will create it,

(01:43:17):
and then I can genetically engineer a sequence which mRNA
is genetic material, right, it's genetic it's so it's it's
these peptides talking to other peptides. They link and they
caught a response. That's how it tells it what to do, right,
So I could do that, and so all eventually all
vaccines will be vaccines where genetic instructions are being conferred

(01:43:38):
to you for your body to do something. And even
Elon Must talked about that. You could have mr change
your eye color, you could have a change your hair color,
your skin color, you can have it make it taller.
It could tell your body do all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
It could You could create a bug that would kill
a specific person or family.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
You absolutely could. So the only point we are making,
and you know, and we want to talk about Holly's
working I from into but kudos to her for coming
in and fighting that fighting and just in the in
the form consent and the health freedom movement. How critically
important that she is and was and remains to be.
But the only point we were making was that if
you you can't say you can't make that kind of stuff,

(01:44:15):
you just have to tell people you're doing it to them.
And that seems like a pretty simple proposition that they
need consent.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
Well, didn't she also have the bill or was it
including that same legislation I can't remember now that allowed
farmers to be able to label their meat m r
N A free. Yeah, And uh, and we get there
was a resistance to that. We couldn't get that out
of even a House committee. Now, all it was was
a labeling thing. You know, if you were m r

(01:44:43):
N A free you put a like, get to put
a label on your meat that said m r n
A free. It seems pretty simple, right, Why wouldn't Why
wouldn't why wouldn't meat producers all through the entire spectrum
be championing that, right? And and I think Bill you
probably you speak to this a little bit better. But
what the comment was, as I remember, correct me if

(01:45:06):
I'm wrong, was that that those who were in the
meat industry were saying, well, we don't do it now,
but we don't want to take away that tool should
we need to in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
And and so that that's.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
Scary, right, because that means that somebody is contemplating exactly
what Bill just said. And and uh, we all we
all have all seen Frankenstein, right, what happens the unintended
consequences of of science run amock? And and uh, it's

(01:45:42):
no truer than something. I'm gonna say it Bill glysophate.
Oh yeah, oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
We don't have time. I'll talk about all the stuff. Yeah.
But but the.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
Reality is is that I was just recently in a
soybean field and I and I took pictures of this
because it was just impressed me so much. This was
in the spring. Every single thing around this field was green,
every single thing except what was in this field. Now,
in this field was just brown dirt. I took a

(01:46:16):
shovel and I turned to scoop and dirt. There was
absolutely nothing living in that's well, no earthworms, no bugs
of any kind. However, on the margins of this field
there was these green plants growing up through this thing.
And as it turns out, glyciphate is creating glycipate tolerant weeds.

(01:46:40):
And so what is the next version of glycifate? You know,
because we saw pesticides, you know, we you know, we
had a progression of pesticides until they just kept getting
meaner and meaner and start affecting the environment and to
the point where you know, we right now you have
in your body somewhere pieces and parts of old pesticides

(01:47:04):
that we're used back in the sixties that haven't been
since outlawed, So we we really got to look at
the unintended consequences of this progress forward. But the thing that,
as we mentioned earlier, that tells us why we need
to do that, it's just like we were talking about
the military industrial complex and the health industrial complex. There's

(01:47:27):
a profit motive involved. Damn the effects. I'm sorry, that's
one of the seven words by the JIZE, but it's
it's forget about those effects, because right now that this
is the way we can make a profit. And so
if nothing else comes out of the last four years,

(01:47:49):
if not, if we don't learn one lesson from the
last four years is what the Constitution and Declaration of
Independence told us to do. We need to question our government.
And sometimes that's uncomfortable for Bill and I, but the
reality is is that that's our duty as citizens of
the United States. It says it right there, and so

(01:48:12):
hopefully we have that has opened people's eyes and so
that we never have to face this again. But in
order for us to do that, as Reagan said, freedom
and liberty are just one generation from extension.

Speaker 5 (01:48:26):
Can no, That's definitely true, and I mean does that
as I have in my hat. The reason we can
question our governments because we the people established the government.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Yeah, as long but as long as we make sure
that we don't give that right up. Yep, you know
the government didn't give us our rights. We're the ones
refused to haven't taken away. Okay, there's so much you
talked about, don but we can talk about all that stuff.
We got till ten thirty. I'm going to go down
the list, Mr.

Speaker 11 (01:48:50):
And A.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
Yeah, I think it's safe to say whether you're a
state senator or I'm a state senator, we're going to
make sure that that would happen if we're in the
state senator. Right, so you can been on record all
the lobbies to oppose it and the people in the
area that there's a future there's existing now and a
future risk of people's rights to have consent, and there's

(01:49:12):
a risk of people's health, and there's a lot of
people there's pharmaceutical companies that wanted to inflicted on you
without your consenter knowledge, and so that's a huge ethical issue,
and I think you want people in the legislature of
the House and Senate who are going to stand their
ground maybe dare I say, filibuster and fight and make
sure that people's health and rights are being protected. That's

(01:49:33):
a critical issue. So that's going to happen, and that's
a commitment. I haven't have done. Feel the same way
too on that one.

Speaker 5 (01:49:38):
And Thomas Havlin, who we've had on this show multiple times.
He's a guy that's done studies with multiple funeral directors
and bombers from multiple states. Yeah, and they have proven
that these huge clots have been found in these bodies lately,
and was right after the COVID vaccine came out and
they never seen it before. And these we're talking about clots,

(01:49:59):
some of them twelve to eighteen inches long, that are
jamming up bloodstreams to the point where the bombers have
to remove them out. They can't even embomb the body
properly without having to. This is a new phenomenon that
was not part of that. Well, then Tom brought a
whole new point on which I had thought of. The
concern is what if they start trying to implement m
and RA into our food even right or into other

(01:50:20):
shots like the flu shots.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
That was Holly's bill. Yeah, you can't say enough things
about Holly's bills on the food supply, on the blood
if you get a blood transfusion, it's labeled on Oregon harvesting,
on ivermectin which the bill we're all gonna champion next session.
I talk about the strategy on that. So that's what
you know. It's unfortunate she wasn't able to make it today,
but which heard that work was super important and that

(01:50:44):
reinvigorated the conservative opposition to the healthcare industrial complex and
with the lobbyist hold on Jefferson City. And so that's
not done because if it's not already right now the
flu shot you're getting, it's going to be pretty soon
an mRNA shot, And they're gonna give those vac seen
to your kids, your babies, and they're not going to
tell you it's m RNA. That's the whole point. But

(01:51:04):
the point is we want a law that says you
have to say that's m RNA, that's gene therapy and
what you're injecting into us or putting into us. But
the plan is to expose you to it without letting
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:51:15):
And and they're able to do that because they were
given a trillion dollars of taxpayers money and to influence
your politicians to do more of the same thing. And
there's the there is the real tragedy in all of
this is that we're paying for our own demise, and

(01:51:37):
and that that's where people need to wake up. The
The other thing that made this suggestion to Holly O
she's listening to remind her that I think a great
addition to that bill would be the one they passed
in Montana against banning lab grown meat. Of course, we
know Montana is a big cattle state, right, Well, guess

(01:51:59):
where Missouri's at. Well, we were fourth and now we're
fifth because a lot of our land has been purchased
for other reasons. But why would anyone be against that?
I read a story here probably a month or two
ago about some of this algae grown protein that was

(01:52:19):
formed into something that looked like meat, and it carried
through the process a virus that was in there that
didn't get taken out along the way. Now it curves naturally.
You know, most people don't eat algae. They don't go
down to the creek and dip them a spoonful of algae.
And so the only way this thing came in was

(01:52:39):
through this and it was proven. It was in Europe,
I believe, and there were four people who died from
exposure to this lab grown thing that came out of
this you know, basically a swamp somewhere. This algae. While
I can see there's applications for that, especially in the
energy sector. Algae he's everywhere. It's easy to grow and

(01:53:01):
helps clean up our streams. But eating it totally different thing, right, I.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Think I remet and should be over the counter. I'm
gonna co sponsor, I'm gonna file it.

Speaker 11 (01:53:13):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
You know, have you not been to the feed store
bill you can get I've remeted.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Well, I think that so that you know the bill
of the im I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
Encouraging anyone to take ivermectin from the feed store totally
that one.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
I mean, there's a there's a dosage idea about it, right,
you could, you don't. It's it has in certain quantities,
it does have these toxic effects give you stomach ache
and stuff. Right, So it's just like anything else. But
we've we the bill has been filed. More of us
when you file it co sponsored next year.

Speaker 4 (01:53:38):
Yeah, So just by just to point out what Bill's
talking about, you know, the the ivermectin you give to
your horse is a pill about a half an inch long.
The one I was given four little ones. You could
barely see them. They it would fit literally on the
head of a pen. Just a tiny amount, a tiny,
tiny amount. And I only took four of those for

(01:53:59):
COVID over a one week period.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
And there are a lot of people in a lot
of my constituents and this and this is the other
thing of the bills I file. The bills were word
champion their bills. There are bills and things that our
constituents have been asking for. There's not a there's the
most of the bills we have, there's somebody who says,
will you do this? We need help with this. There's
somebody in my district. There's somebody in this area who
goes we legislature ought to do. And we're trying to

(01:54:23):
listen to them. And they are constituents that I have
who they're they're firm believers that ivermectin has anti cancer effects.
That it's that, you know, for whatever reason, we can
talk about the mechanism of that, that it's an effective
to fight against cancer. And I'm not I don't think
I have the confidence to say everybody should who has
cancer stick ivermectin. Although I'm almost getting there, but I

(01:54:43):
do have the confidence to say, if you want to
try it, that's up to you. You shouldn't you shouldn't
have to go through this these roadblocks and the pharmaceutical
blocks if you want to try it. So I think
that there should be right to try for people that
have cancer, they would try ivermectin. And the only reason
it's not over the counter right now now is because
exactly what we talked about money, they're not making. It's
cheap and they're not profiting on it, and if it's

(01:55:06):
effective for cancer, it takes away these other profit making
treatments that people have. So I think there is opposition.
The build didn't go anywhere last year, but next year
more of us are going to file it. And I
just you know, and people always laugh at me because
it's so funny in the in the summer, in the fall,
I say exactly what I'm going to do in March, April,
May and the legislature, so we're going to put it

(01:55:27):
on I'm going to put it on bills and fight
for it. And I just want somebody to come make
me the argument that it shouldn't be over the counter
because the constituents who have cancer, the constituents who have
parasitic infections, the constituents that have viral infections, they want
to be able to try it. They don't want they
want their doctor, you know, to be able to give
it to them with all all this rigab role or
they want to go to the Walgreens and be able
to buy it. And the problem and the issue is

(01:55:49):
it's cheap. So we're going to get to the point where.

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
We have same thing with hydroxy chloro coin right drocks.
The Clorkin's cheap, it's easy to manufacture and so and
has very few side effects, and.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
You don't make a lot of money off of it.
The drug that's cost a lot of money. That there's
a patent, which patent gives the company that owns a
patent a monopoly right to produce it in charge wherever
they want. So we need to go to an era
where we're not we're not like, hey, we create the cure,
which we want to talk about life in eighty a second,
Create the cure because it creates the disease. Create the cure,

(01:56:19):
profit of make sure the disease, the ailment last indefinitely,
and we make all this money off these people. What
our goal needs to be is that Americans are healthy again,
They're not chronically sick. There's not these chronic environmentally cause illnesses,
and that people are living their life without its being
sick all the time and being a pain all the time.
That's got to be our goal, right, instead of well,

(01:56:40):
how do we treat diabetes, how do we treat cancer?
How do we treat this for years and years and
years recurring it? Well, let's first let's stop, let's take
away the cause of it, right, but then let's focus
on people not needing medicine the rest.

Speaker 4 (01:56:52):
Of well, as a good friend of mine who is
a doctor, said that there's a lot more money in
treating the symptoms and you you won't get to treat
the symptoms unless the person is sick, and so that
was so profound and uh and it was like that,
I think that was the epiphany for me when I realized, hey,
wait a minute, what what what are we doing here?

(01:57:15):
And and most doctors will tell you right now that
that expediency dictates that they they treat those symptoms, right,
make that symptom go away or or suppress that symptom somehow,
and knowing full well that there there is a mechanism

(01:57:35):
by which that you can remove the need for that
drug or whatever. But that is not in I think
you pointed it out or was pointed out earlier, that
that's not in the business model, right, And uh.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Why does everybody sick all the time?

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
Do you think that's what God? You think that's what
God wants you to be, is sick all the time
your whole life.

Speaker 4 (01:57:55):
So I love the I wish I could remember. I'm
going to look at him so I can at some point.
But we have something called the Certificate of Need Committee,
which basically approves if you want to do some kind
of industry healthcare related industry thing in a town, you
have to get permission from the state of Missouri to
put in like an a clinic where they do imaging. Okay, MRI,

(01:58:23):
that's the word I was looking for. And so you
have to come to this committee and then they make
a determination, and then obviously the business in town that
provide that come in and resist and say, no, we
don't need another one. You're going to hurt our profit margin.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
By doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:37):
And the greatest line I think I've ever heard one
of them, at least in the capital, was that there
was one of these opposing some healthcare clinic that was
going in in some town and he looked at those
who were opposing it and goes, now, hang on, just
as I can. He says, now, are you a one
crane hospital or a two crane hospital? Right, so pointing

(01:58:58):
out that you're kind of making a lot of money
right now and that you know, and so if you
can afford this brand new wing or whatever, then what's
the harm with the little competition?

Speaker 10 (01:59:11):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:59:11):
I think whenever we need to take a break here
in just a second, but whenever Jeff Sink comes on
at ten thirty. You know, he's had this struggle fighting
the whole January sixth thing with his son Ryan. But
he's also now created a company called Positive Energy and
they're actually their goal is to put the care back
in healthcare. And so he's got a really cool thing,

(01:59:32):
which that's kind of what brought it to my attention
with this talk here. That might be such a job.

Speaker 4 (01:59:37):
Yeah, let you get him to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
Yeah, you know, and we're talking more about the after
I want to talk about life to say after the break,
to talk about the history on that, but I'm going
to say something like personal too, Like I think I'm
excited about if we stay strong and we fight and
we change things, that we could change things. I think
people can affect it. And I do mean that too.
I don't think that God wants us to be sick
all the time. Last couple weeks, I was so sick.
I was just like coffee and and like aching or whatever,

(02:00:02):
and I did and I was kind of like, man,
am I ever going to shake this? And I never
get sick?

Speaker 5 (02:00:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
I was sick for weeks and I read that scripture
in the Bible where that they lowered him down in
the He's in the stretcher, his friends down there, and
he goes, take up your He goes, your sins are forgiven.
You take up your bed and walk. And then they're
all kind of freaking out, and Jesus says, what's easier
that you that I could forgive sins or that I
could you can heal? Say, take up your bed and walk?

(02:00:27):
And I thought that was so It's fascinating to me,
right because Jesus was basically saying if I have the
power to forgive sins. Heal in your body's pretty easy,
and then uh, you know, after that, I sided not
to be sick anymore.

Speaker 5 (02:00:37):
So as a matter of fact, we have a comment
here from Holly Michelle saying, the rise of pharmac I'm
trying to figure out that word farm a kaya.

Speaker 2 (02:00:46):
I guess farmakia. It comes from a Greek word.

Speaker 5 (02:00:49):
Yeah, and the control of people through sick care is biblical.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
Yes, So pharmakiah is a Greek word, and that's where
you get the word mind control and it means witchcraft too.
So but you know the way that we before, they
get the word pharmaceuticals, which is the same word for
mind control and the same word for witchcraft in the Greek.
But now, for what it's worth, that's just kind of
the entomology. Is my classics tree coming in handy? Okay,

(02:01:14):
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back and talk about glyphas eate? I'm pumped about it. Okay,
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Speaker 4 (02:07:12):
Okay, so we are all right. So yeah, Bill left
in anger and uh so we had to know that's
a joke.

Speaker 5 (02:07:22):
He did not.

Speaker 4 (02:07:23):
He stepped up for just a minute, so left me
with the microphone. Boy, that's dangerous. JP. So you know,
we were talking earlier about some of the things that
we've seen and uh, you know, uh uh, And I
know Bill's are gonna want to touch on this when
he gets back, so I'll just I'll just set him
up for it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:07:44):
The in order for glycopate to work, that is a herbicide,
by the way, in a in a soybean field, they
had to create a soybean that was tolerant of what
they call it, round up ready soybeans. So they had
to genetically engineer a soy bean that would grow in

(02:08:06):
a field it had glycophade on it. Now, I think
that should tell you there's something seriously wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
Right, okay, So yeah, so Monsanto invinced this. It's not
people say pesticide, which is okay, say whatever you want, legislature,
it's a herbicide, herbicide killing.

Speaker 4 (02:08:25):
Yeah, so you want to you know what the explanation
of that is is that weeds are past Yeah. Yeah,
there's a stretch right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:08:32):
They call it the pesticide build one of my colleagues,
which is fine. I don't I'm not if I was
correcting people all the time. I just make a business
out of it. But it's pest kills a pest.

Speaker 4 (02:08:40):
You mean like being a lawyer.

Speaker 2 (02:08:41):
Right, I tried to be corrected, but when I got
my own platform to talk, I'll try to say it accurately.
So it's a herbicide. And so glac estate kills all
it kills all forms of vegetation. And it does this
because plants produce this. It's kind of this as protein synthesis.
There's like this peptide and that's what they need to
grow and to like to have life throughout the plant, right,

(02:09:03):
And plants are actually pretty interesting complex lives. You've reading
studies about how plants react to people and vibration and stuff.
So it kills all of it. Right, So if you
just put if you just had your if I just
got some organic, organic seeds and organic crops in my
garden and I picked glyphosate on it, it would kill
all my crops. It kills weeds, it kills everything. So,

(02:09:24):
like Don was saying, what Monsanto did is they genetically
engineered a germline of crops that was glyphosate resistant, right, okay. So,
and this is what people would criticize Monsanto about before
all this fifty years of stuff that's going unfold, is
that they created a way to increase crop yields by

(02:09:44):
killing all the weeds and unwanted plants, and then they
created the own They could create a control of the
food supply, having so that seed, that genetic seed is patented, right,
so they can they controlled the food supply and the
way in which you could cultivate food. So the agriculture
industry largely adopted glyphosate resistant genetically modified plants that resistant

(02:10:07):
to glyphisate because it allowed them to yield crops without
having to go in there and take a hoe and
weed and use the manpower and label to do that.
Right to deweed, they could just spray glyphosate and they're corn.
There's soy beans. You could take your pick. We're genetically
modified to survive it. But all the other life wasn't okay.
So what happened was there's a lot of things that

(02:10:29):
I want to discuss that happened over time. What happened
was that there's a series of farmers and they got
une haunched kids of foma, which is what we which
is the term for blood cancer. And the theory that
the glyphisate clauset blood cancer is that so on the plant,
glyphisate isn't absorbed to the root, it's absorbed through that.
There's like a leaf and there's stoma, which a plant

(02:10:49):
breeze's absorbed through that, right, And so the idea is
that just like the plant, the person's skin absorbs stuff
into bloodstream and it's causing changes in the way that people,
you know, not just the floor and faun inside your
body do, but to the human body, and it was
causing this cancer.

Speaker 1 (02:11:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:11:06):
There's also a lot of people who do note that
when people eat glyphisate, because glyphosate's in everything now. It's
in you go fast food, there's glyphysate in fast food.
When you eat up out, there's plants, there's a residual
glyphasate everywhere now in the soil. And so a lot
of people think too that one of the reasons why
you kind of get achy feelings and people are kind
of sick is because they're ingesting the tacicity that human

(02:11:29):
because human beings aren't genetically modified yet I guess yet
I should say to be resistant to glyphosate, they're ingesting
this toxic scepts, it's kind of making them sick, right,
So kind of a backstory that that's why a lot
of people think that glyphosate's causing cancer when they're exposed
to it. It's and in the way the mechanism it
gets on their skin, and just like in the plant
leaf assorbs, the stroma what you could put on your

(02:11:51):
skin is absorbed into your bloodstream. Right, And so that's
the correlation between between a human being who's has made
it has the same Like I said, you know the
genetic structures these peptides right added ing gwindinge, thidening yourself.
The same things that are bound together are now being
disrupted by glacysape. Go ahead, you want to say.

Speaker 4 (02:12:11):
Something, I'm yeah. They so to make a distinguish difference there,
because it is very important is that actually glycs fate
is a broad leaf herbicide, and so practically everything all
of our food other than the narrow leaf grasses like

(02:12:31):
rye and wheat, just about everything we grow for our
food is a broad leaf plant. And and so you
know both of those are beneficial things. They're they're a
food source for for humans. But but you got to
think about it this way. The more and more the
glass fate appears in the environment, the more and more

(02:12:51):
plants are affected by this that we depend on every day.
So it's a certain category of those are what we
call wild lettuces and dandelions. And this has proven science
been around for years. You know, my grandparents, uh and
my mother utilized these plants because we're we're those are killbillies,

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and you know, there wasn't a doctor around every corner,
and so these traditional plants that exist in our environment today. Now,
how many people go out of their way to kill
their dandelions, But actually dandeliones have very good health effects
for human beings, and it's free, it's out there, and
it's readily available. Well, this glass fate kills those two.

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And then if and this has been the case, is
if the farmer next door isn't using somebody certain patent
of soybeans and they're growing it and they cross pollinates
with their non uh Monsanto bean, well, then Monsanto can
sue and has sued farmers before for patent infringement because

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they didn't buy those beans. They didn't buy their beans
from them, and nature, because of the way nature works,
cross pollinated and so that meant that they were taking
advantage of that particular pattern. If we do one thing
in Missouri, we need to do that. We need to
prevent these companies from suing over an essentially an act

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of God. There's no way that farmer A can keep
his field from being cross pollinated from farmer being. In fact,
I would sue the other direction. You ruined my beans
with your pollination. But of course that takes money in
order to do that, and who's got the money? Yeah, right,
Bear mon Santa.

Speaker 6 (02:14:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:14:45):
So I want to describe the bill, but I think
it's in full context. I should probably give Bear's argument
for the bill, and then I'll tell you why I
don't like it and why I'm gonna we're gonna pose it.
So Monsanto was purchased by the German pharmaceutical company Bear
Bay or Aspirin, which incidentally they also make the drugs
that treat non Hodgkins lymphoma.

Speaker 4 (02:15:04):
Oh, I have to point out remember one of the
arguments was, well if if we if we don't do this, this,
this will be the Chinese are going to do it, right, Well,
is there really that big a difference between the Chinese
and the German pharmaceutical who still a foreign company.

Speaker 2 (02:15:22):
Well, so, just to parse that argument for a second.
So the argument is that if you don't manufacture glacis
in the United States, that they're going to make it
in China, which glacysate's banned in other countries. They don't
use it because it's it's as a health hazard. Right,
So the argument is that if we don't poison ourselves,
we're going to buy poison from China and poison ourselves. Right,

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that's the argument. But said we can do and what
we're gonna have to laugh track for that one. How
just preview what we're going to say in January April
or in January February. The solution is not to keep
looking the other way while you're poisoning the American people.
What we need to do is figure out other ways
to feed the world without poisoning the American people. That's

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what we're gonna do it to innovate and so and
so the agricultural industry, whose favor of glaber states argument
is that if you don't have you can't spray these crops.
The crop yields will go down because it takes more effort.
There's more manpower and resources to dweed or whatever. Although
they're they're the organic farmers who talk about you know,
you just let it, you use like the natural world

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and the birds and stuff, and that's a better way
to farm. But that's the that's their argument anyway, that
they'll have lower crop yields and that I'll cause prices
to go up. Okay, so that's the argument. This is
what we've used for fifty years. This is our thing,
this is agriculture, and we have to feed the world. Okay,
we got to feed the world. What I'm saying is
now now we know that you are making the American

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people sick, that there's definitely just like the Washington University
Washington study a contract a correlation took some cancers. There
were the teenage kids, the high school kids in the
rotun to remember that day, and the one student did
the study on glyphs sate and there were these sort
of simple worms that were exposed to it and it
messed up their nervous systems real bad, and it made

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them kind of not be able to operate or to
you know, kind of kill them off and they couldn't
move anymore, they lost motor function. And it's interesting too
because on the floor we heard the argument that animals
are not affected by glyphasate because animals have different protein
chains than the ones that are attacked in plants. But
these worms are animals that had the same protein chain
humans do, right, and their nervous systems and motor functions

(02:17:29):
were damaged once they were exposed to a small amount
of glyphassaate. So I mean, there's lots of indications that
it's toxic. The reason why we don't and by the way,
I'm not saying that we ban it right now, I'll
tell exactly what position a second. The reason why we
don't ban it is because of money, is because of industry,
is because of commodity prices and yields. Right, But that

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doesn't mean that we need to continue that way. So
the bill in the House, the bill that I voted
no on every year, and I think this year the
no's are going to clip the s's. You know, Lord Willing,
is that so Bear's having all these lawsuits that it's
causing cancer and they're paying out lots of money and
they're more lost. It's coming. And so what they want

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to do is in a Missouri there's a tort. It's
called a failure to warn tort. So like if I
had if I said, come on into my come on
into the secon room over here, come into this next
room and walk in and they're like spikes on the floor,
and I invited you in, you stepped on a spike,
you could sue me for not warning you of this danger.
If I gave you a cup of coffee and the
coffee was full of arsenic right, Like, if I go down,

(02:18:33):
I have this cup of coffee, would you like to
take a drink? And it's full of rat poison and
he drank it and it poisoned him, he could sue
me for not warning him about the danger. It's called
the failure to warm.

Speaker 11 (02:18:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:18:43):
So the the loss some people are saying is this
is causing cancer, nonhunchins of foma, these other health effects.
You need to label it and say may cause cancer
and may cause worthy cigarettes.

Speaker 4 (02:18:53):
You can still buy cigarettes, but there's a warning.

Speaker 2 (02:18:57):
So that so you know, bear doesn't want to that
warning label. So what they want is they want to
say if the EPA in FURFA approve a substance for distribution,
then there's no labeling requirement in Missouri, and you can't
sue for failure to warn. The bill doesn't say it
hadn't said the previous versions. It doesn't say pesticide, it
doesn't say glyphosate. It says failure to warn for a carcinogen. Right,

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carcinogen means the definition of the word carcinogen For the record,
we're doing debate notes, is carc engen means things that
cause cancer. Yes, So we got to comment from Holly,
don't forget government substances, do as they say, use what
they mandate and no help from them. Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (02:19:38):
Right, fund it and can't confest in it.

Speaker 2 (02:19:41):
But then when you hurt people, don't help the people
who get hurt. How about instead of don't make don't
have no mandates and have accountability for the government.

Speaker 4 (02:19:48):
And so you know, of course what we're told by
the the scavengers who wander our halls every day. We
were told that, oh, well, it's not proven to be
a carcinogen. Then I said, then why is that word
in there?

Speaker 2 (02:20:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:20:03):
And uh?

Speaker 5 (02:20:04):
Then and well, you know we're being.

Speaker 4 (02:20:06):
Sued all the time. And I said, and now you're
settling out of court rather than pay a billion dollar lawsuit,
why not use that bit if it truly doesn't, why
not use that billion dollars to prove it in court?

Speaker 2 (02:20:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:20:17):
Well, the obvious answer to that is is that you
would actually proof the opposite in court, because if I'm
going to pay a billion dollars out every few months,
wouldn't it make sense just to take that money and
fight it just one time?

Speaker 2 (02:20:32):
Because even because jurors who don't actually like trial attorneys
necessarily are being convinced that it is causing cancer to
that data. But again to the point, like it doesn't
say glyphisate or a herbicide, it says carcinogen. Right, So
if glyphisate does not cause cancer, right exactly, bill is
not affected by glyphisate because the word in the bill

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is carcinogen.

Speaker 4 (02:20:53):
Yeah, it wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (02:20:54):
If it was true that it is not a car
then it would be then it would then that bill
would have no impact on glyphasate whatsoever. But the word
of carcinisien is used just to deprive of all things
that cause cancer. If EPA are for approven for distribution. Well,
I used to teach environmental law back in the day
in a past life. And so when a when a
toxic substance gets approved for distribution, the company that manufactured

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has to submit studies about its effects. The studies are
paid for by the company that has the pattern. They
submit their own study. That's actually how the environment that's
how the Environment Protection actur.

Speaker 5 (02:21:30):
And yet there's no issue with I guess what what
do we call it there? I mean, if you're funding
this study that's going to find out if you're doing
something wrong or not, chances are everything's fine.

Speaker 4 (02:21:43):
That we call that fox in the handhouse.

Speaker 2 (02:21:44):
Yes, Well, and Pfiser does the same thing.

Speaker 4 (02:21:46):
And being a guy with a henhouse, I know exactly
why I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:21:50):
And foxes too, so exact same thing for toxic substances.

Speaker 4 (02:21:53):
It's not too good for the hens.

Speaker 2 (02:21:56):
For Pfizer's patent. Pfiser does the same thing. They do
their own study. They pay for their own scientists and
PhDs to do his research study, just like we do.
When when the Republicans go hire a lawyer for an
opinion somebody they say, the Republicans are right, the Democrats
are lawyer, They say, the Democrats are right.

Speaker 4 (02:22:09):
Well, well, you know the old saying bill that if
if you put one hundred lawyers in a room, you
get two hundred opinions.

Speaker 2 (02:22:16):
Right, yeah, but only mine's the correct one for the record.
But so I And by the way, when the when
the COVID vaccine came out, I was reminiscing last night
about my actions for that. The first thing that happened
when the mandate came out is I went and I
read the patent because I knew from teaching environmental law
that they would have to have in the because the
patent's public, they'd have to have disclosures about studies in

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the patent. Oh yeah, And the patent talked about how
like the dosage was modulated to have the least negative
impacts on your immune system causing cancer and heart disease.
And that was in the pat that was in the
patent that was filed like in twenty seventeen, right, so
that's like in there. And I read that and I
was like, oh, this is like in a mess up
your immune system. But I thought that because I was

(02:22:58):
an officer in the army, I thought that was my
job to go research it, and it really bothered me
that no, the other officers read that, they wouldn't look
it up anyway back to Glifha State.

Speaker 4 (02:23:08):
So the company provides the important part of that is
building the little sidelight. Is what you're talking about is
a study that's paid for by them and from our
previous discussions and so what we've accumulated. Also an additional
knowledge of the last four years is that now we
have the ability to identify that study group who would

(02:23:28):
result in the least effect from whatever it is they're
trying to sell us. And so, in other words, reverse
engineering the study.

Speaker 2 (02:23:38):
You can do that. You can also dismiss results you
don't like for whatever reason as an outlier, or you
could say the control variable wasn't accurately applied to the
outlier effects, and you could dismiss any adverse effects. And
you could say this is what you know. We know
because we look at data all the time. You sit
on the budget committee, you see people produced numbers I
can make. And I'm a lawyer and you're engineer and

(02:24:00):
you're on budget. So we both are very well aware
that I can make a study or an answer. Our
numbers produce whatever I want to. But the thing that
you can't take away, like you just can't take away
what people had when they had blood cloths and strokes
and they have these embarrasing means. You can't take away
the people who are just sick right now. And this
is the point about make America healthy again, which I

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think that it's like the time has come. People are
just sick, like literally sick right They're having autoimmune issues,
cancer rates are off the chart, there's more developmental disabilities,
there's more autism there before, there's more people having just
like they're just achy all the time, they have headaches,
they have no energy. What are we doing to the
American people that's causing all this to happen? And why

(02:24:45):
don't we start asking critical questions? And why don't we?
And but the reason why we and so we started
asking these questions and we started to run into a
lot of resistance. And the reason why is because we
know now there are a lot of companies that make
a lot of money and they don't want to change
their their money model. Well that's too bad, because Don
and I we didn't get elected to represent corporations or

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pick the money.

Speaker 4 (02:25:07):
Mardel one of them guys, vote for me.

Speaker 2 (02:25:10):
Our first job is to protect the American people their
freedoms in their lives. So it's time to take a stand,
and it's time to start changing things. And I think
that we're sufficiently fed up to fight, you know, fight
for fight for keeps now.

Speaker 4 (02:25:23):
So they so there, you know, it's it's critical thinking skills.
And and you know, as an engineer went to or
find university, University of Missouri, here werella that was that
was drummed into it. So that was beat into us.
Is ask the question why is there another option? And

(02:25:44):
what are the results of your decision? And and so
you know, you you have to be able to look
at all sides of it before you make that decision.
You know, three laning eyes have any in H direction?
You knew I was going to get to this U
three laning I seventy and east direction. All that sounds great,

(02:26:04):
But what are the engineering reasons for that? What what
would make us prioritize that over other things that were
our priority? And does it really is it really necessary? Well,
the traveling plub public, the only thing they see is
I'm driving down the road and I can't pass this
truck when in reality, there are other more elegant solutions,
and so I always use mine Ola Hill the inside

(02:26:25):
passing lane solution, because the problem isn't that we've met
the capacity of two lanes. The problem is is it's
a traffic flow solution. And the way we saw that
traffic flow is is with climbing lanes and passing lanes
and those kind of things which are cost a lot
less than three laning in both directions through territory where

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it's not even at capacity right now, even during quote
unquote rush hour. And so it's those kind of things
that that's missing in that decision making process is that
you have to have. It is so extremely important to
have the critical thinking skills and in order to be
able to analyze the problem, what the problem really is,
and then come up with the solution. First identify what

(02:27:08):
the problem is, then come up with the solution, and
then you prioritize that solution against other possible solutions.

Speaker 5 (02:27:17):
Well, and we have a guy that's coming on who
is trying to do that right now. Jeff zinc is
online with us.

Speaker 2 (02:27:23):
Hey, Jeff, were you listening to our discussion? Were we
just for a little bit there?

Speaker 1 (02:27:30):
I caught the very tail end of it.

Speaker 2 (02:27:32):
Well, we could, we would repeat it, but we don't
take time from you necessarily.

Speaker 4 (02:27:36):
You can call us back and we'll put it.

Speaker 2 (02:27:39):
We would let you hear it all over. The biggest
shame of the day. Why bump shows is not a
six hour show today? Yeah, how's it the going for you, Jeff?

Speaker 1 (02:27:47):
You know it's going really well.

Speaker 6 (02:27:50):
You know, things are starting to settle down a little
bit now that I'm not political anymore. It's one of
those things where you know, for four years I lived
the political life and and you know, and now my uh,
I'm serving the private sector and so things that have
kind of taken off in big time.

Speaker 11 (02:28:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:28:15):
We we met with one of the leading candidates for.

Speaker 6 (02:28:21):
Governor of California, UH Lewis Herm and I met him
at Rev. Seventeen, which was a weekend two weekends ago
that we raised two million dollars over the weekend to
buy a women's prison that has basically been abandoned and

(02:28:46):
so they were selling it off for four million dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:28:49):
The church that Pastor Dave Brian is with uh the
Church of Glad Tidings there in Juba City.

Speaker 6 (02:29:02):
What he did was is he he just had on
his heart to buy that prison so that we can
when we do capture the sex trafficked women and children,
we have a place to put them. But more importantly,
we have Tier one veterans that are going to guard

(02:29:23):
the outside so that in case the cartel or whoever
wants to come and get them back, uh, they're going
to be met with deadly course. And it's going to
be a safe haven. So it's actually called a Piece
of Heaven dot Life.

Speaker 3 (02:29:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:29:40):
It is the website if anybody.

Speaker 2 (02:29:42):
Wants to go to it.

Speaker 6 (02:29:43):
And you know, the thing is is that in doing
all of this, I was able to meet a lot
of great people, a lot of great speakers, and literally
it was the first time and five and half years
that I was in the pulpit preaching, and and that

(02:30:06):
was a special moment for myself.

Speaker 1 (02:30:09):
For the simple fact is is that.

Speaker 6 (02:30:12):
I knew something was wrong when the pandemic, uh you know,
came out and my church basically here in Phoenix decided
that not only were they going to close down the
church mask everybody, but they also.

Speaker 1 (02:30:32):
Talked about getting the vaccine.

Speaker 6 (02:30:34):
And then FEMA came in and used the church as
the stepping stone for Arizona and basically came in during
that whole time. And because I stated that we're going
to keep the doors open, We're not going to be masked,
we're not taking the vaccine, We're not We're going to

(02:30:54):
rely on God, not on government. I was basically shown
the door and I started my political career, uh shortly
after that and trying to change you know what what
we now are starting to know what is actually happening.

Speaker 1 (02:31:12):
I knew back then, So there's there. It's it's kind
of been.

Speaker 6 (02:31:16):
A long journey of fighting with government, uh with Day six,
my son and everything else. And now now what's happened
is is that I have a an opportunity because being
in the position I was being looked at at HHS,

(02:31:37):
I have hundreds of thousands of doctors UH that gave
me research, helped me uh that if I went in
that I was going to be able to uh you know,
cone down the pharmaceutical companies and start looking at healthcare.
And so I had a plan put together and this

(02:32:02):
plan ended up being what I have now, which is
positive energy. We're still working on the website, We're still
trying to get things up, but we're going to be
able to offer the general public thirty dollars a share
who wants to, you know, invest in the company. And
then what we're going to do is is we're going

(02:32:23):
to go in and literally buy up failing hospitals. One
of the things that's really discouraging is that CBS has
decided to move out of Arkansas all because Sarah Huckabee
said BBMS can no longer own pharmaceutical companies. Well, now

(02:32:47):
you have twenty three pharmacies that have uprooted out of.

Speaker 1 (02:32:54):
You know, Arkansas.

Speaker 6 (02:32:56):
You your state has a a huge problem right now
with pharmacies. You've got two counties that have no pharmacies
in Missouri that that you know, y'all are relying on
the UH fed X and and because you don't want
to do the United States Postal Service because that's you know,

(02:33:19):
government run and it really doesn't work UH as efficiency
or efficient as fed X and the UPS and uh DHL.
But the fact that you have two counties in your
state that doesn't have a pharmacy in there is criminal,
and it's criminal on on so many levels of our

(02:33:44):
health system.

Speaker 1 (02:33:46):
So what we're going to do is.

Speaker 6 (02:33:47):
We're going to go in and we're gonna start buying
those up and then we're going to re establish uh,
the sanctity of life, so no abortions will ever be
performed in any of the hospitals that we own that
we will do the patient rights. And here's I don't

(02:34:09):
know if you've heard this or not, so you know,
Dave always expects me to break news on his show,
But do you know that when you enter into a
hospital that when you sign the admittance papers, that you
have now signed your rights away? And most people don't

(02:34:30):
know that. And there was a court case in California
that a nineteen year old down syndrome girl went in
for routine procedure and was literally murdered by the doctors
by the hospital. It went to court and the jury

(02:34:54):
found in favor of the hospital. So we're looking at
trying to help this the people out and trying to
raise some money for them so we can get it
into the appellate court because I think.

Speaker 1 (02:35:07):
That we will win that.

Speaker 2 (02:35:09):
But bile.

Speaker 1 (02:35:13):
Purposes.

Speaker 6 (02:35:14):
In looking into this, what we found is is that
they had they had signed the rights away, and so
what they did was is they put in a d
n R for her. But then the medication that was
given to her literally put her in peril, caused her
heart to stop, and a d n R prevented them

(02:35:36):
from doing anything, and she passes away. So this is
this is the kinds of Medicare, Medicaid and and healthcare
that I'm tired of seeing. It's not what I signed
up for. We want best care, not worst care. And
that's that's literally what I'm now on the front lines

(02:36:01):
here fighting to implement so that people can can have
their rights restored and be relaxed that you're going to
a hospital that will restore your health, that will can
you know, fight for life and stuff. And so this
is these are the things that we're doing now.

Speaker 4 (02:36:22):
Yeah, absolutely essential to provide a healthcare choice where you're
actually getting healthcare. And appreciate you doing that. So where
are you at in that process, Jeff? You you had
the fundraiser, have the have you guys, and you purchased
the former prison. But where you're at in this expanding

(02:36:44):
that across the United States?

Speaker 1 (02:36:47):
Well, we're right now. What we're doing is is that
it's it's twofold. So one of the things is that
I was able to talk.

Speaker 6 (02:36:57):
With JP in regards to what we're what we're doing,
So we have several things that are being looked at.
Not only are we raising money for positive Energy, but
what we're also doing is is we have a health

(02:37:18):
insurance policy.

Speaker 1 (02:37:20):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:37:20):
And so that health insurance policy UH in September one,
we'll be able to offer that as an individual and
it'll be kind of like a pick and choose what
you want. So it depends on what is h that
that individual would like to have.

Speaker 4 (02:37:43):
But if I don't, if I don't need maternity, I
won't have to pay for maternity care.

Speaker 6 (02:37:51):
No, if you won't have to have maternity or or
anything like that. Uh, but that isn't uh uh when
you say sign up if your spouse, you know, if
you get somebody who could have that, they could sign up.

Speaker 1 (02:38:08):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:38:09):
The main thing is is that with this insurance, what
we're what we're planning on doing, and what we want
to give the American people is an alternative to Obamacare,
to Medicaid medicare.

Speaker 1 (02:38:24):
You know what's sad is is that HHS. The nepotism
now is really concerning.

Speaker 6 (02:38:35):
You have Bobby coming out saying that we have this
this new insurance company, and the cost is about seventy
five dollars a month. It is an HSA Flex card,
which is a health savings account. But the deductibles like
ten thousand dollars. I don't know about you, but I

(02:38:55):
you know, if you have to get into ten thousand
dollars before your insurance picks up, that's not my of
an insurance policy.

Speaker 4 (02:39:01):
Well, except for nowadays. The way the pricing works in
these hospitals, that ten thousand dollars looks like the rebate
you get on a new car. Right, they'll give you
a thousand dollars rebate on an eighty two thousand dollars suburban, right,
and so that ten thousand dollars looks small compared to
that two point five million dollar fee for the broken

(02:39:26):
arm that you had.

Speaker 7 (02:39:27):
Right.

Speaker 6 (02:39:29):
Oh, absolutely, And this is one of the things that
where our insurance what we looked at ours is a
thousand dollars deductible. If you have to stay in the
hospital for twenty four hours, the insurance will cut you
a thousand dollars check. Now, a lot of people don't

(02:39:49):
think about this, but if I have a loved one,
if Stephanie, my wife got sick or something like that,
and we had to and we were out of town, or.

Speaker 1 (02:40:00):
And I have to take her to the hospital.

Speaker 6 (02:40:03):
Then what's going to happen is she stays in twenty
four hours, a thousand dollars check will be put into
our bank account of meat. After that, in that twenty
fifth hour, what happens is that is for expenses going
out to eat, gas, having a hotel. You know, hopefully
the loved one won't be there for very long. However,

(02:40:27):
the other the other part of the insurance will kick
in after that first day and then every day will
be one hundred dollars that will be added for thirty days.
And so this is to help assist the you know,
family at a crucial time when they need the money

(02:40:48):
at the at the front of this and trying to
help them out. The other is is that we have
a BioMed and BioMed will actually when we take the blood,
so we'll set down and we'll look at what we
are that individual has and we have seventy three different

(02:41:14):
cursors and and those markers that we look at we
can tell uh for for young men you know, like
jping down and yourself and thank you Bill, all the
relatives thinks we can look and see what your rate
of cancer may be, Uh, when you're fifty five or sixty,

(02:41:37):
you know, and so you know, this is something that
can be critical that we can help change and alter
your lifestyle from the very beginning and we can bring
that all the way down to less than you know,
two percent of you having any type of cancer later
on in life.

Speaker 4 (02:41:53):
So addressing a beneficial outcomes, getting a preventive maintenance, those
kind of things, and rather than treating the symptoms that
we had talked about earlier.

Speaker 1 (02:42:04):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (02:42:05):
So what we what we're planning on doing is we again, Uh,
everybody understands worst care. That's that's what we call two
point o medicine. What we're trying to introduce is three
point o medicine.

Speaker 1 (02:42:18):
This is best care. And and so what what we'll
do is is as we go in we.

Speaker 6 (02:42:25):
Also have something called NAVI Pro Now, Navi Matrix Pro
is an AI program that can be attached.

Speaker 1 (02:42:35):
To any health insurance.

Speaker 6 (02:42:38):
And what it does is that it will look at
your lifestyle, what's going on, what you've had in the past,
and what's presently going on, and you won't fall through
the cracks. You know, a lot of times what happens
is is that somebody goes and gets a blood test
and then the the lab three weeks later there's still

(02:43:01):
no results. Now, what most people don't understand is that
that blood most of the time is sent to either
India or some other foreign country and and then is processed.
And so that's the reason why there's such a delay.

(02:43:22):
You know, the the blood that we take it is
with our labs and and it will be done within
forty eight hours and results so that we can uh
determine what's going on. And so what's going to happen
is is that with that UH Navy matrix, we're able
to make sure that no one falls through the cracks

(02:43:44):
and that everything comes through and that and that there's
a follow up with that. We have another uh part
of this called a maze. And a maze is UH
it got its name because because going through the healthcare
industry and the insurance, the billing and being paid and

(02:44:06):
all of that, it's like a maze that that you
have to you know, kind of run through. So hence
they call it a maze. And and so here's a
couple of things, uh that we can do. So UH,
let's say that.

Speaker 1 (02:44:25):
You have a child, that's Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:44:29):
You know that none of these children ever get sick
at three o'clock in the morning. You know, it's always
during office hours of your doctor. It's always during the hospital, uh,
during the days. So it's very convenient and everything else.
We know that's not true. So at three o'clock in
the morning, what is your choice? Right, well, and go

(02:44:52):
to the emergency room. You can wait it out until
your doctor's office opens up at nine o'clock. You can
call your on call uh doctor. Uh maybe uh if
they do have that service.

Speaker 2 (02:45:08):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:45:08):
And everything this is this is the the system that
we have.

Speaker 1 (02:45:13):
How would you like this? You have an app on
your phone.

Speaker 6 (02:45:17):
You can hit that app, A maze comes in says, Hi,
this is Jeff and and we're very much like this
right here. You're you're seeing me, I'm seeing you. Uh,
and we're gonna we're gonna have this dialogue. Uh and
and so what's gonna happen is is that Hi, I'm
Jeff with amazing and how can I help you? And
you're gonna tell me, well, my little kid is sick,

(02:45:39):
and this, that and the other. Okay, we can we
can ask you to what use your thumb?

Speaker 1 (02:45:44):
All right?

Speaker 6 (02:45:44):
To thumb UH print right there. You're gonna place that
on your phone. We can get your temperature off the phone,
the the pulse rate that goes through your thumb. We
can get your pulse uh and so and that. We
can also calculate your blood pressure, so the child's temperature,

(02:46:05):
blood pulse, and blood pressure can be taken by touching
the phone. You also have the choice of any doctor
that you choose. If you want a pediatrician, a pediatrician
will come on.

Speaker 1 (02:46:21):
If you want a uh.

Speaker 6 (02:46:25):
A natural pathic doctor, then a natural pathic doctor will
get on there. If you want a Chinese doctor that
has the elixirs for five five hundred years of science
of how to make people helping, then you're going to
have that individual come on. It's your choice as to

(02:46:47):
which doctor. We've we've actually written over seven thousand icity
billing codes and diagnosis codes that will that our insurance
will pay out now and you UH. About three years
ago we went to Blue Cross, Blue Shield, to United Health,
to AFLAC, to Travelers, to signa to all of the

(02:47:11):
major medical group and showed them what we wanted. All
of them got up said they don't they're not interested
and walked away. So we went to Lloyd's of London,
and Lloyd's of London actually are backing us. And and
as we're putting this together, here's another thing. So I'm

(02:47:32):
gonna pick on JP. JP uh is in the kitchen,
which he's not in very often, takes a knife and
where he belongs.

Speaker 2 (02:47:41):
Sorry, sorry, ahead, good yet, And.

Speaker 6 (02:47:46):
So he cuts himself and and uh now he is
needing to go to the er for to get some futures.
So uh he uh you know, drives onto the uh
er parking lot. Now what we've done is if we
geo uh fenced every er in the country, you drive

(02:48:09):
onto the parking lot and all of a sudden, you're
gonna get Hi.

Speaker 1 (02:48:13):
This is Jeff with a maze, JP. We noticed that
you just drove.

Speaker 6 (02:48:17):
Up onto the parking lot of an er. Is everything okay?
At that point, he's gonna go, No, I cut myself.
I've got to get some stitches and everything else, And
we go can you hold on just one second.

Speaker 1 (02:48:32):
They're gonna call that that er and they're going to
find out what the waiting time is. They're going to
find out what is going on uh there. And then
while they're doing.

Speaker 6 (02:48:41):
That they're looking at the surrounding area to see if
there is a doctor's office that can provide the same
service at a cheaper price, and and we'll also be
able to uh see you in a shorter period of time.
We come back on and say, hey, JP. The waiting
time for the er is four and a half hours.

(02:49:05):
But we have a half a mile down the road,
we have this other doctor that we've already called and
set up an appointment for you. By the time you
drive down there walk in, they should be able to
receive you. You should be able to get that. Now
here's another thing that we do that is different than
any others. When you show that you have insurance and

(02:49:29):
you ask for a cash price, the healthcare provider cannot
provide that information to you. They're contractually obligated to only
give you the insurance price, which is oftentimes a lot higher.
So we're going to be able to So what they're

(02:49:50):
going to be doing while you're getting JP's getting suitured up,
they're asking for the cash price and they're asking for
the insurance price. When he gets out, he's going to
have a text on his h on his phone. It's
going to give him both those prices. Now it's up
to him how he wants to handle this. Does he
want to pay for the this out of pocket or
does he want the insurance to pick it up. And

(02:50:12):
so these are the types of choices that we're that
we've set down and thought about and what we're trying
to do and in making sure that the patient has
the choice of what they want in their in their healthcare.

Speaker 2 (02:50:27):
I like the cash price idea, but the monitoring what
JP's in the parking lot idea that seems a little
creepy to me. I mean, is there, I mean, I
got some you know what I mean? Like because I
also like the idea of everybody's staying out of my
business and not and having privacy, like I think it's
a lost idea too.

Speaker 4 (02:50:42):
So so so on this, Jeff, and now this when
I make this phone call, is this some AI generated average?

Speaker 2 (02:50:50):
Is don gonna call it right now?

Speaker 1 (02:50:52):
No, you're gonna get a live person.

Speaker 2 (02:50:55):
Sixty five is unscripted, So you you have a.

Speaker 4 (02:51:01):
So you have a network of it would have to
be several thousand providers out there.

Speaker 1 (02:51:07):
That one point four million, one point four millions.

Speaker 4 (02:51:11):
Oh my goodness, that is great. And and so on
the on the charge code thing. The reason why all
those guys turns you down because your charge code system
probably made sense. But all these insurance companies you're probably
already aware of this, rely on CMS is a list
of charge codes, and and obviously we know who designed

(02:51:32):
those charge codes, right and and so a lot of times,
and I'm experiencing this right now with a group of
medical professionals out there that that my predecessor, Keith Frederick
created a licensing procedure not to be full doctors, but
it's it's these folks who don't get matched up on
a residency and and so there's there's thousands of them literally. Well,

(02:51:55):
he created a peep program which the eighteen other states
have now copied to allow those people to go to work.
The only problem is is that we can't get CMS
to come up with a charge code for those folks,
so they are still prevented from working in our hospitals.
And so that's five to thirteen thousand trained doctors who
have passed almost all of them passed all three examinations

(02:52:19):
that required prior to them going into residency and to
be a doctor, but they can't go to work because
CMS won't create a charge code for them. Well, we
don't have a doctor shortage in this country. We have
a residency shortage. But I'm not saying the solution is
more residencies, because that's money that comes out of medicare.
What I'm saying is is that we need an alternative

(02:52:39):
path to licensure than have that have it throttled down
by ACGME. And that's probably an acronym that you're familiar
with that it is, without a doubt a nearly criminal
organization that prevents us in the rural areas from getting
doctors practicing out here, and so anything that can break

(02:53:03):
that mold, I am one hundred percent for Yeah. Last
question for you, Jeff, is are you online with that
right now? We can sign up for that right now.

Speaker 6 (02:53:16):
Well, what we're doing is is that we're if an
employer that has more than ten employees contact me, you know,
you can contact me at Jeff at Positive energy as
dot com. I'll be more than happy to sit down
and talk with the CEO or CFO or whoever's in

(02:53:40):
charge of signing up their insurance and we can do that.
September first is when we have the individual plans that
are going to be rolling out. We need to make
sure that those are in place and perfect, and so
we're delaying it a little bit more so uh we

(02:54:01):
can we can do that and then hopefully next Monday,
Positive Energies website will be up. It'll be twofold. It
will explain, uh, you know about what nabbing matrix and
BioMed and and and what direxy is. I didn't even

(02:54:21):
talk about drexy. Drexy is the uh drug end of
ours that knocks off thirty or or sixty to eighty
percent of what you pay.

Speaker 1 (02:54:35):
Uh there.

Speaker 6 (02:54:37):
Now that's that we we're the cheapest drug company there
and we're providing the cheapest drugs.

Speaker 1 (02:54:46):
And and it's not the.

Speaker 6 (02:54:48):
It's not the qualities, dawn of this quality. It's just
we're going to make sure that you get an off
brand that isn't under all of the patents that are
making all of the money for the drug companies or
anything else. So all of these things are what we're
going to have in place. So the individual's September first,

(02:55:11):
and then right now, any employer over ten employees that
are looking to save money, and we also we can
help them with the self funding. So they get tax
right offs and we're helping. Like one gentleman, I've got
I'll do this in thirty seconds. We had one company

(02:55:31):
that came in with seven hundred employees. Six hundred and
eighty nine qualified. The others that didn't work less than
twenty hours a week and so therefore could not qualify
for that. But everybody else that worked forty hours hourly,
and then they had salary people, they all qualified. This

(02:55:53):
company was going to be able to write off four
hundred and four thousand dollars and taxes that they were
never able to write off before using our UH system.
So it's a lot better than than anything else that
that's out there.

Speaker 2 (02:56:11):
Well, that's pretty fasting stuff. Maybe give you I'll give
you one more minute, Jeff to tell us we know
better company than Don and I will kind of close
off the show if that's okay.

Speaker 1 (02:56:18):
Okay, So again, it's gonna be positive energy UH. And
it's positive energy as dot com.

Speaker 7 (02:56:26):
UH.

Speaker 6 (02:56:26):
That's that's gonna be the And you gotta bear with
us because we're really trying to put all of this
information we're as we're bringing this up. All of this
is not conceptual. This has been going on for over
three years. So the insurance, the hospital, the that we
have all of that is is a working, viable company

(02:56:52):
that's already in place. And then positive energy when and
uh you invest in positive energy, then we're gonna go
out and we're gonna by rule hospitals uh like in
your area and then be able to then offer this
type of insurance program and and bring in the doctors
that are that it is uh that you're needing uh

(02:57:15):
to help give uh and putting health back into health care.

Speaker 2 (02:57:20):
Well, that's awesome, good stuff. THANKSJX. Yes for coming on
and visiting with us and hanging out with us and
enjoin us on the special fourth of July edition of
the Dave Weibom Show.

Speaker 6 (02:57:28):
Hope you have a good guest fourth of July. Everybody, Uh,
you know, freedom doesn't come free. And I think all
of our veterans uh that have you know, uh, some
gave all uh and some gave some. But the thing
is is that we need to understand that these this
day of independence is uh that gives back.

Speaker 1 (02:57:50):
It's very important. So I look forward to, you know,
being on Dave Show, and I think this is the
best day uh Dave Show. Uh I've ever been on.
That's what I'm amazed shows.

Speaker 2 (02:58:03):
Universally of the feedback we're getting on social media.

Speaker 5 (02:58:05):
Oh boy, we're gonna have something started now.

Speaker 2 (02:58:07):
Yeah, thanks Jeff. Happy Independence Day.

Speaker 5 (02:58:12):
Hey, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:58:14):
I didn't want to leave the Independence Day without mentioning
Mordecai Gift. Most people don't even know who he is,
but at the Battle of Long Island he was. He
took two hundred and seventy six soldiers and held off
two thousand highlanders, well trained highlanders entrenched almost a Battle

(02:58:36):
of Thermopylag kind of a situation in order to allow
Washington to escape New York. And without that happening, without
his delaying action, it wouldn't have been a revolution.

Speaker 2 (02:58:46):
Yeah. No, look came up. Thank you. It's amazing day.
I really like it. The fourth of July. I like
a celebrat in our country, decoration, dependence or freedom. I
like families getting together, like cooking. I like reminding us
that our rights come from God and our and the
only just powers of the government arrived from the consent
of the government. And be thankful what we have in America.

(02:59:08):
Concept us to keep it, so don any party words
before we take.

Speaker 4 (02:59:12):
Off shout out to Sandy Jones for reading the Constitution
at the courthouse the other day.

Speaker 5 (02:59:18):
It was amazing.

Speaker 4 (02:59:18):
Yeah, so it's something that we need to do everywhere,
at every courthouse. Thank you very much, Sandy Jones.

Speaker 2 (02:59:23):
JP ut to see something we take off.

Speaker 5 (02:59:26):
Just appreciate all of our guests and appreciate you Bill
and and Don for guest hosting on a very special
edition of the Day of Whye Mom Show. They have
me back next Friday, and uh but again maybe best
show ever or maybe.

Speaker 2 (02:59:39):
Maybe maybe not.

Speaker 5 (02:59:40):
We'll have to sign up.

Speaker 2 (02:59:41):
Yesterday JP said you guys would rehearse, and this is
completely unrehearsed, unrescripted, and so we just you know, it's
the best show ever without with minimal effort from me
and Don. So God bless you guys. Happy fourth of July.
We'll see you next time.

Speaker 4 (02:59:53):
Thank you JP for coming in today.

Speaker 1 (02:59:56):
Thank you all Jones down. You gotta think you're about
bringing you know,