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Using free speech to free minds.You are listening to the David Knights Show.

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As the clock strikes thirteen, It'sThursday, the twenty fourth of November,
Year of Our Lord, twenty twentytwo, Thanksgiving Day, A nine
hundred and eighty seven medical martial lawwith an emergency. Is just a couple
of years ago that we had mostchurches shut down afraid to open up.

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Two years ago, a year ago, we had the specter hanging over so
many people of vaccine mandates. Manypeople are still struggling with the toxin that
was going out. Today, we'regoing to talk about the Christian principles that
founded this country. We're going totalk about Thanksgiving. We're going to talk

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about the real history. Forget aboutProjects sixteen nineteen. We're going to talk
about God's Project sixteen twenty, thereal history. Stay with us. We'll
be right back. Whereas it isthe duty of all nations to acknowledge the

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providence of Almighty God, to obeyhis will, to be grateful for his
benefits, and humbly to implore hisprotection and favor. And whereas both Houses
of Congress have by their joint Committee, requested me to recommend to the people
of the United States, a dayof public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed

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by acknowledging, with grateful hearts themany signal favors of Almighty God, especially
by affording them an opportunity peaceably toestablish a form of government for their safety
and happiness. Now, therefore,I do recommend and assign Thursday, the
twenty sixth of November next to bedevoted by the people of these States to

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the service of that great and gloriousBeing, who is the beneficent author of
all good that was, that is, or that will be. That we
may then all unite in rendering underHim our sincere and humble thinks. For
his kind care and protection of thepeople of this country previous to their becoming

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a nation, for the signal andmanifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of
His providence which we experience, andthe course and the conclusion of the late
war, And for the great degreeof tranquility, union, and plenty which
we have since enjoyed, For thepeaceful and rational manner in which we have
been enabled to establish constitutions of governmentfor our safety and happiness, And particularly

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the nation one now lately instituted forthe civil and religious liberty with which we
are blessed, and the means wehave of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge,
and in general, for all thegreat and various favors which He hath been
pleased to confer upon us. Also, that we may then unite in most

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humbly offering our prayers and supplications tothe Great Lord and Ruler of nations,
and beseech Him to pardon our nationaland other transgressions, to enable us,
all, whether in public or privatestations, to perform our several and relative
duties properly and punctually. To renderour national government of blessing to all the

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people, by constantly being a governmentof wise, just and constitutional laws,
discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed,to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations,
especially those that have shown kindness tous, and to bless them with

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good government, peace and concord.To promote the knowledge and practice of true
religion and virtue, and the increaseof science among them and us, And
to generally grant unto all mankind sucha degree of temporal prosperity as He alone
knows to be best given under myhand at the City of New York the

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third day of October and the yearof our Lord seventeen eighty nine. George
Washington. Well, you know,when we look at this, we talk
about making America great again, don'twe will? God make America grateful again.
That was our first president. Verydifferent from our last and current presidents,

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isnt you know? God blessed thiscountry because people are grateful to Him
for the blessing of liberty. Nowhe talked about year of our Lord.
Which Lord? Would that be?The Lord that we mark time from the
Lord Jesus Christ. So let's talka little bit about Thanksgiving. Let's talk

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about God's project, the sixteen twentyproject. You know, We've got we
have PBS, we have the NewYork Times, we have academia and media
are focused on removing God. Agood example of that is this PBS documentary

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to rewrite history, to take Godout of the picture. Listen to this
trailer for a very expensive and slickproduction produced with your tax dollars. If
you ask people where does America start, they'll say it starts in Plymouth Rock.
There's more to the story than thestory. We all know. They

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were a very small group of veryextreme people. They weren't the people that
you would expect to be founding anew colony. There's a sense that they
came to America in search of religiousfreedom. They didn't the Pilgrims on American
Experience. Yeah, there's a sense. There's a sense, isn't it that
they came to America for religious freedom? But they didn't. Oh? Really,

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you know better? Right? Youknow the problem is that we have
the diaries from the people. Wehave lots of original history. This is
not something that we have to readtea leaves or go through archaeological digs to
figure out they kept diaries. PBSknows that you're not going to read those

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diaries, so they can lie toyou about it now. That American Experience
quote unquote was done before they startedthe sixteen nineteen project, I believe.
So they tried to tell you,well, you know, we all think
of America as beginning with the Pilgrims, and for good reason, the Mayflower.
But we're going to tell you thatall that was wrong. We're going
to remove God from the picture.And then when the project sixteen nineteen of

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the New York Times, what theydid was they removed the Pilgrims in Mayflower
from history. They relocated the foundingof America from people who were seeking freedom
from religious persecution, who just soughtto live a life of independence with their
families, away from religious persecution,and they changed it to Jamestown sixteen nineteen

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Project sixteen nineteen. Why did theydo that, well, because Jamestown was
a very different colony. Jamestown wasmore focused on economics. People a lot
of people who went to Jameson andit was only after the initial first few
years that they actually started bringing families. For the most part, there were
people who are trying to make aneconomic start for themselves. Many of them

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came as indentured servants. After afew years, they replaced the European indentured
servants who could work their way out. They replaced them with chattel slavery,
African slaves. And so that's whatthey want to focus on with America.
So four hundred years later, thosewho seek to destroy our nation are busy

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destroying both its history and it's Christianprinciples. And that America was shaped by
Christian principles. Now, the leaderswere not perfect, you know, and
they did not follow those principles,but that was what they aspired to.
And look, none of us areperfect either, none of us. So

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when they go back, you goback and say, well, look,
their theology was here or there,or they didn't do this, or they
didn't do that, or they keptslaves or they did whatever. Yeah,
they were hypocrites, just as weare all hypocrites. But they aspired to
Christian principles and it was those Christianprinciples that laid the foundation for our country

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legally as well as culturally. Sotoday we're going to talk about Thanksgiving,
and they're going to have some bestof interviews that'll finish the rest of the
program today. But you know,there's a lot of different lessons that we
can take from Thanksgiving and that havebeen done in the past. We could

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talk about Thanksgiving and the triumph ofprivate property and personal responsibility over the tragedy
of the commons. That's something's beenvery popular with conservatives to talk about,
and it is true. You know, when Pilgrims landed, they went through
some very times. As Bradford Another'spoint out, look, you know we

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nearly starved because first of all,they came relying on God and not really
knowing much about agriculture. We'll talkabout that in a moment. But they
also wanted to have everything in common. They're Christians, so it was like,
oh, yeah, we're all Christians, so let's not have everything in
common. And the problem is isthat's the tragedy of the commons. Nobody

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had the private property of the personalresponsibility to make this stuff happen. And
guess what, it didn't happen.And so they changed. Everybody's going to
have a plot of land that's goingto be your land. You're going to
grow your food. If you've gotextra food, you can help the people
who didn't do a good job.But everybody's going to work on this.
That was an important lesson. Russianimboy used to talk about that on a

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regular basis. That was kind ofhis take on Thanksgiving, and that's an
important lesson and it's a true lesson. We could also talk about the peace
and the harmony of different tongues andtribes to make a unified nation. Eventually.
That was the narrative in the midtwentieth century when I was growing up,
it was very popular America as amelting pot different cultures coming together for

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a common nation to build that nationthat was the America of the immigrants of
my parents' generation and the ones beforethat. They would come to America because
they wanted to join America. Theydidn't want to just they wanted to they
embraced American values. They weren't justcoming so they could have the material wealth

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that we have, but they wantedto become Americans, not just come for
economic reasons and head back to whereverthey came from, or not just to
take over, but they wanted toembrace the values that they had seen in
this country. That was a veryreal narrative in this story. You could

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see the Pilgrims and the Indians comingtogether. This is the way that it
was typically taught to me in thegovernment school at that time. They would
talk about how these two different groupshad come together. They would build and
use each other's strengths and build somethingthat was stronger than what they had individually.

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Take the best from each other.But that is totally different from what
we're taught today today. The communistswho run our institutions are determined to enhance
our differences and to make us hateeach other for those differences. Instead of
coming together and becoming stronger, takingthe best that each of us have,

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and creating something that is new.That was what America was always about.
But today every difference is magnified andused to divide us because as how the
communists seek to the story of thiscountry, so that narrative as somewhat diminished.
And they didn't just come together.If you go back and you look
at the history, they didn't justcome together for a meal and then start

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shooting at each other. They livedtogether peacefully for fifty five years from sixteen
twenty to sixteen seventy five until theyhad King phillips Ar. Yes, it
was not perfect, because human beingsare not perfect. There were encroachments on
both sides. There'd be flare upsand other crimes, and you know,

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within their communities of course. Butthen when it was between the two different
communities, that's when things got alittle bit more complicated. But they ironed
out those differences and they had peace. Like I said, for fifty five
years, that's not too bad.That's a couple of generations. Do we
do that well today? You know, God never talks about different By the

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way, right, these are twotribes coming out He had the tribes of
the pilgrims, and he had someof the Indian tribes, several different Indian
tribes that were there. And theIndian tribes had differences amongst themselves. They
were not a I'm a genius groupthat was always at peace with each other
either. And so you have differenttribes, you have different tongues, and

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that's the way God describes us.God does not talk about different races in
the Bible. He talks about nations, tongues, and tribes. You know,
Michael Savage talks about borders, language, and culture. I don't know
if he got that from the Bible. You know, this is something that
runs throughout the Bible. I don'tknow if he got it from that or

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if he just got it from observation. Because it's true. It's true,
and so he could have noticed thathimself where he could have gotten it from
the ancient writings. But it's true. Never the us, and so God
goes on further. I mean,we don't have different races. He has

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made all nations of one blood.We're all descended from Adam and later from
Noah. So we have different politicalentities, we have different cultures, we
have different languages, but we're allcreated in the image of God. We're
all of one blood. That washow the Pilgrims saw it. They sought

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to help people with a Christian religionby spreading it. But we could look
at that aspect of the peace andharmony of different tongues and tribes coming together
to form a nation. There's goingto be greater than the sum of the
two parts. We could also lookat it as the historical significance of the

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Mayflower Compact, or as it's moreaccurately described, the Mayflower Combination. This
is the document that they put togetherthemselves when they realized that they were out
of the legal jurisdiction of where theywere headed and they didn't have anything to
govern themselves. But it really wasn'tso much a political document. It was

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a groundbreaking moment, a groundbreaking documentbecause it was the first time that people
had come together voluntarily to create somethingthat would eventually become the instruments of governance.
You know, it is there asthe foundation that was later built upon

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with the Declaration of Independence and theConstitution many other things. Here's what they
wrote when they realized they weren't aplace that they had not intended to go
and that there was no contract,no legal definition of how they were to
operate. This is what they said, So just keep in mind what the
American experience, what PBS is tellingyou. They didn't do this because of

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religion. Did they even bother toread the Mayflower Combination or the Compact,
if you will, In the nameof God, Amen, That's how they
begin it. We whose names areunderwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread
Sovereign Lord, King James, bythe grace of God, of Great Britain,

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France and Ireland, King Defender ofthe Faith, etc. Having undertaken,
for the glory of God and theadvancement of the Christian Faith and the
honor of our King and Country,a voyage to plant the first colony in
the northern parts of Virginia, Do, by these presents, solemnly and mutually,

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in the presence of God and oneanother, covenant and combine ourselves together
into a civil body politic for ourbetter ordering and preservation and furtherance of the
ends aforesaid, And by virtue hereof do enact, constitute, and frame

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such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and officers from
time to time as shall be thoughtmost meet and convenient for the general good
of the colony, unto which wepromise all due submission and obedience and witness,
whereof we have here unto subscribed ournames at Cape Cod the eleventh of

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November and the reign of our SovereignLord, King James of England, France
and Ireland, the eighteenth end ofScotland the fifty fourth no domini that means
year of our Lord, sixteen twenty. So the Mayflower Compact is America's foundational

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document. PBS wants you to believethat had nothing to do with God.
You didn't hear anything about God inthere, did you? Evidently? PBS
didn't. They have a much shorterdocument that they redacted God from, evidently,
as well as from all the diariesand recorded history of the time.
As Wilmore Kendall and George Carey saidin their book Basic Symbols, the Compact

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is a symbol around which both theDeclaration of Independence and the con Constitution is
built upon. It did not havea formal title as the Declaration of Independence.
It was referred to by the peoplewho live there and their descendants,
as not by the compact, butby the combination. Let me see when

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I was saying that we do herebycovenant and combine ourselves, and so they
called it the combination. And that'show it was referred to by that community
and the people who lived there upuntil the seventeen nineties, and then it
was referred to as the Mayflower Compact. Many people who look at that believe

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that it was that was more ofa reflection of a more secularized view of
this. They could have called itthe Covenant, but I think they were
out of respect. They would lookat you covenant as being something that was
more religious, so they called itthe combination. But bottom line is that
this is more than just about semantics. The combination was really about creating a

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society, even more so than aform of government the Declaration of Independence.
The Constitution would add more political theoriesand ideas and political structures at a later
time, but that was really whatit was built upon. There was an
interesting comment on all this by ahistory professor from Hillsdale College, Bradley Burser.

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He's a Roman Catholic, and hepoints he says, this could never
have been composed by anyone, butthe most Protestant of Protestants. Indeed,
even as a practicing Roman Catholic,I have a hard time imagining the same
scene being played out by French,Spanish or Portuguese settlers. No, this

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is one of the great fruits ofProtestantism, and it's probably one that we
Catholics should take the heart, especiallyas we continue to struggle over issues or
religious freedom and freedom of conscience inour rather fallen world of the twenty first
century. He goes on. Hesays, importantly, the authors of the

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combination never assert the existence of aquote state of nature, walk in Obsian
ideas that came later, by theway. Instead, they recognize that they
are beholden to Scripture, to tradition, to a hierarchical authority, and to

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the English common law. And yetthey were not prepared either to destroy these
ties nor to leave them out completely. Instead, they looked out upon what
they considered to be a virgin land, a promised land of sorts. Here
they could take the best of thepast, but they could implement it as

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they so desired. Would it begood if we were to do the same
thing today? All around the worldwe have statues being destroyed monuments being destroyed.
The foundations of our society are beingdestroyed by Marxists who look for any
imperfection or hypocrisy in the lives ofthe people who laid down the foundations of

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our society in order to destroy oursociety. The wise path is to always
take the good aspects of what wentbefore us, eat the chicken and leave
the bones if you will. Youknow, you can take a look at
Martin Luther King, for example,and you could focus on his plagiarism.

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He could focus on his infidelities.You could focus on what many people have
pointed out, or some socialist tendenciesof himself, or you could take a
look at his speeches, his inspirationalspeeches where he said we should judge people
by the content of their character ratherthan the color of their skin. Wouldn't

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that be nice if we were todo that today. That is antithetical to
what the left wants to do today. So we take the best from people.
We try to ignore the imperfections thatare always there, whether you're talking
about Martin Luther King or Thomas Jefferson, we try to ignore those perfections and
take the wisdom from their life,learn the lessons from their life. That's

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what we ought to do, butwe don't do that. So he goes
on to say he was at HillsdaleCollege. He always likes to do a
lecture on the Mayflower combination. Hesays, as I prepared the lecture,
I racked my brain trying to rememberan example of another earlier assertion of self

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government. Had the Greeks done itor the Jews. No, they had
already relied upon a law giver.The Romans asserted something in five nine BC,
but I'm not sure that it hadquite the same texture. That's what
the Pilgrims did in sixteen twenty.I really couldn't come up with a significant
example. For all intents and purposes, the Plymouth Combination is the first real

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assertion of the right of self governancein the modern Western world, and one
of the most important in any timeor place. As Kendall and carry wisely
claimed, the sixteen to twenty documentdid not need to assert any rights overtly
as rights. Instead, the veryshort paragraph the document as a whole is

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an assertion of the right. Itis a basic symbol. Indeed, that's
the name of their book, BasicSymbols. So it drew on the religious
roots of America that can be seenin the Pilgrims in the Mayflower combination.
Did the Constitution? You know,the Constitution begins we the people, and

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then it goes into the purpose ofthe constitution. One of the key ones
is to secure the blessings of libertyfor ourselves and our prosperity. You know,
atheists don't talk about blessings. Youwon't see PBS talking about blessings,

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not at all. A blessing issomething that is given, who gives it.
We have an inscription on the libertyBell. It's inscribed with Leviticus twenty
five ten and it reads, proclaimliberty throughout the land to all inhabitants thereof
Now the context there of what wasbeing talked about in Leviticus twenty five.

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The context was about the year ofJubilee. Every fiftieth year they would have
all debts would be canceled. Allthe indentured slaves, indentured servants, however
you want to call it, wouldbe set free. It was a year
of jubilee, and that was thatinscription was put on the liberty bell.

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Founders of America from sixteen twenty tothe creation of the Constitution saw liberty as
a blessing, as a gift fromGod. They made it clear over again,
and the second half of that toourselves and to our prosy posterity.
So when we look at the Pilgrims, we look at the founders of this

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nation. They were very different intheir perspective than our society is today.
They were focused on their children.Their hearts were turned to their children,
and in the Bible we always seethat as an indication of God's movement and
a people. God moves them toblessing by turning their hearts toward their children.

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That makes a big difference in theway that you behave, the way
that you think, the way thatyou build a life. Instead, in
our society and a time of decadenceand degradation, people of our society will
become lovers of self. So that'sthe kind of society that the Bible always

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points at as a society that issetting itself up for judgment instead of for
blessing. If and when God changesour hearts turns them towards our children,
then He'll be preparing us to blessus. We can see that in the
Pilgrims and in the founders of thiscountry. But today I want to talk

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about something else that is rarely talkedabout. Even in conservative circles. People
will talk about the legal issues andthe precedents and the historical importance of the
Mayflower Compact or the combination. Theywill talk about the peace and community.
They don't do that too much anymore. Between the Indians and the Pilgrims.

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They'll talk about the economic aspects.That's really where conservatives focused today, because
we're all about the money, right, Hey, it's the economy, stupid.
Everything is about the money. ButI want to talk a little bit
about God's providence and care in thisstory, because I think that's the real

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lesson. That is far more importantthan the triumph of private property and personal
responsibility over the tragedy of the commons. It's far more important than groups of
people cooperating and coming together peacefully.It's far more important than any legal document,
no matter how much of a precedentit sets. And that's God's providence

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and care. So that was whatwas foremost in the minds of the Pilgrims
as well, and if you wereto talk to them, or if you
read their writing, there's one wayto talk to them, if you will
listen to them. If you'd listento them, you'll see that they're not

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bragging about what they did. Theygive the glory to God. They honor
God. They would say that anddid say it over and over again.
Today. In many ways, weare like them. We are pilgrims and
strangers on this earth. That isa Christian idea. In our journey.

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We also need to acknowledge how weneed God. We also need to look
to Him to provision and for providenceas they did, and we need to
honor Him when he provides. So, you know, I look at this
and a lot of people in America, we've had so many immigrants lately,
and a lot of people say,you know, they're hyphenated Americans or whatever

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said in the past. When Ifirst met Karen, she was from New
York and she was second generation ofpeople who had come some of them from
Poland, some of them from Italy. And so when we met, she
asked me, where are you from? You know, wait, you mean
I'm from America. I'm just anAmerican. I don't know where they came
from. I never did go backand look. I don't know if I

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have any any physical connection to thepeople who were there at the Mayflower,
or if it was to somebody whocame later. You know, quite frankly,
it doesn't matter. A lot ofpeople would get very precious about all
that. Oh, I'm descended fromso and so right, or I'm descended
from this person who was a passengeron the Mayflower. What difference does that

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make, Especially four hundred years later, any kind of physical genetic connection that
we have to these people has beenso diluted. If we could go back
in our family trees and our genealogyand find a connection to it, it's
been so deluded it doesn't make anysense anymore. It's not worth talking about.
But there are other ways that wecould see ourselves as connected to them,

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and I feel a stronger kinship tothem from a spiritual standpoint, forget
about the physical standpoint. Any ofus, by the way, regardless of
the nation, tongue, or tribe, even if you're in another country,

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you could feel a kind of kinshipwith them if you see yourself as a
pilgrim and a stranger in this landwho is dependent on the providence of God.
So I want to just briefly goover. You know, what is
providence? How did the hand ofProvidence guide and protect the Pilgrims? What

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are the lessons for those of uswho live today, especially for Americans who
seek comfort and ease above everything else. And then how do we pass this
on to our kid That's why I'vegot this thing up here. I want
to talk a little bit about whatwe used to do with our kids.
So what is providence? Well,the dictionary will define it as care or

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preparation in advance, foresight, ordivine direction. And I think all of
these things are seen in the storyof the Pilgrims. We can see the
care, the preparation in advanced byGod. We can see his foresight and
his divine direction. I have adifferent definition of providence. I kind of

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think of it as a chain ofstealth miracles, things that you wouldn't recognize
as a miracle. They seem prettyordinary. If you looked at any one
of them, you'd say, well, you know, or even just a
couple of them together, you'd say, well, it's just a coincidence of
these things happen. Well that's reallynice, but it just happened happenstance.

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Now, you know, sometimes Godwill answer a prayer miraculously. Sometimes he'll
heal people miraculously. I have twovolumes of books about verified eyewitness stories about
miraculous healings. Many of them justyou know, based on prayer. You

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know, some of them radio stations. Some one calls in and they're in
serious condition. They put out aprayer and there's an amazing healing that happens
after that. So God will sometimesdo that. He still does that.
He's still in the miracle business.I would I always recommend that you read

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diaries of people who have been ableto experience that type of provision and miraculous
work. But a lot of timesit's just a series of little things that
happened, you know. George Mulleris a good example of somebody who had
was used by God. Sometimes,you know, he would be out of

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money completely. He had orphans thathe had depped up to take care of
and he was absolutely penniless. Orphanswere a very big problem in Victorian England
that Charles Dickens would write about allthe time. He took them in to
feed them, to give them aneducation, to give them a moral foundation,
he took the responsibility for them,but he gave the responsibility for taking

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care of them to God. Andso one day, just one example,
but one of the most interesting examples, I think, but he had several
of these. I won't say justthis one one. But they had absolutely
no money, had a couple dozenorphans at the time. It got to
be a very very large enterprise eventually, and he never became rich. But

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he prayed because they had no food. And pretty soon there was a knock
in the door and there was aguy who's who just came with some bread.
He had some extra bread and itwas over, so he just brought
it to the door, so theyhad bread. Shortly after that, he
gets another knock on the door andthere's a guy with a milk truck and

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it broke down in front of theirhouse, and so they all had milk
provided for them that day as well. Now you can look at that you
say, well, it's just acoincidence, or you could say it's providential
or miraculous. But I think youknow, when we look at a lot
of ordinary things that happened, sometimeswe can go back and we can say,

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well, what's the chance of thathappened. What's the chance of this
guy breaking down in front of hishouse with a lot of milk that's going
to spoil. He just gives itto them because he can't do anything with
it. Or the same thing withthe guy with the bread. Well,
you know, either one of thosethings could have happened. And yet for
both of them to happen, andfor both of them to happen after he

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had prayed for food and you know, for bread and milk, that is
a little bit different. So youwant to call that a miracle, want
to call it providence. So,without going into detail of the story of
both the Pilgrims and of Squanto,these are a couple of different stories that
intertwine with each other. That's oneof the things that I find interesting about

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the story of Thanksgiving and the Pilgrims. They both went through tremendous hardship and
God interwove their stories together to combinethem. You know, we talked about
the Mayfliwer combination. This is thecombination the combination that God does how he

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changes things in their life, shapesthem by the difficult things in their life,
and then brings them together to buildsomething that's even bigger. It really
embodies all of those previous things thatI talked about, but a much more
important way, the financial aspects ofit, the combination aspects of it,

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the building of a common thing withdisparate people, different backgrounds, different nations,
tongues and tribes. So you know, when the Pilgrims came, they
had gone through a very difficult timeof religious persecution. They'd been jailed,
they had lost property, they hadto flee. They fled to Holland.

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There in Holland they were left alone. It was a very rich and secular
country, very much like America todayand in that regard, so they didn't
bother with them. They frankly didn'tcare too much about it, and so
the pilgrim stayed there for a while. But then they started realized that there

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was something that was very seductive inthis secular materialism there. There was also
an immorality that was hanging around.They felt that they would lose their kids.
So they decided that it would bebetter for them if they were to
start a new life, parallel society, if you will, and to do

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it. In America, we don'thave the option of immigration today, but
we do have the option of beingpilgrims and setting up a parallel society.
You know, the Puritans had triedto purify their society by staying there.
The pilgrim said, that's okay,we're going to go do our own thing.
There are elements of both of thosethings that we should and could do

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today, But I think the pilgrimside of it is going to be the
most important. The parallel society.And so, as I said, they
had suffered a great deal of persecution, and then as their journey began,
there was even more persecution. There'seven more difficulty. They had three ships
worth of people and their possessions.One of them was not seaworthy. They

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had to turn back. They hadto pack everybody in those two remaining ships.
We have been to Plymouth and we'veseen the historical community that's there.
We've gotten onto the ship. Thatwas unbelievable that they would have over one
hundred people there. It's like,I don't know what they did. Was
it like standing room only? Didthey stand the entire time? It was

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horrific. The conditions that they wereunder, very long journey by sale,
and of course they had storms,they had damage the main mast was broken.
They nearly lost, were lost atsea, but they were able to
get this together with God's help andprovidence and provision, and they were able

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to make the journey. But theninstead of being able to go to northern
Virginia, they were pushed ashore bymore storms into the Massachusetts area what would
become the Massachusetts area. And sothey knew they were in the wrong place.
They tried to get out several timesthey got kept getting pushed back and

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pushed back and pushed back. Sofinally it's like, well, this is
where we're supposed to be. Wecan't get anywhere else. That's why they
put together the Mayflower combination. Andthen when they landed they were met by
an Indian spoke perfect English. Whata strange thing. They're absolutely amazed by

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that. And of course the areawhere they landed another interesting coincidence, isn't
it. The area where they landedwas uninhabited. The village had been wiped
out with disease. And the Indianwho spoke English was Squanto. His journey
had also been difficult. He hadbeen captured, kidnapped by some Spanish explorers

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or tradesmen or whatever they were,and taken back as a slave to Spain.
Eventually he was given to you know, he was taught agriculture and some
other things by a Spanish monk.And then eventually he gets to England.
He learns English and he is putin a position of response ability. He

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accompanies an English expedition to the area. They liked him enough that they gave
him his freedom. But the heartbreakthat he had was when he went back
home. Nobody survived. They'd allbeen wiped out by disease. And so
he's there by himself. But he'slearned English and he's been taught agricultural techniques

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that the Pilgrims did not know.They were really more focused on why they
wanted to go and you know,for religious liberty than there were the practical
aspects of it. They were illequipped to survive. But God used the
hardship of both of these, boththe Pilgrims and of Squanta, so they

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could help each other. And youknow, this is really the lesson of
providence. If you look at thewords of the hymn, God moves in
mysterious ways about how this is sosimilar to what the Pilgrims went through and
Squanto God moves the mysterious ways aswonders to perform. He plants his footsteps

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in the sea and rides upon thestorm, deep and unfathomable minds of never
failing skill. He treasures up hisbright designs and works his sovereign will ye
fearful saints, fresh courage. Takethe crump clouds you so much dread,

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are big with mercy, and shallbreak in blessings on your head. Judge
not the Lord by feeble sense,but trust him for his grace. Behind
a frowning providence, he hides asmiling face. His purposes will ripen fast,
unfolding every hour. The bud mayhave a bitter taste, but sweet

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will be the flower. Blind unbeliefis sure to err and scan his work
in vain. God is his owninterpreter, and he will make it plain.
So how do we teach this importantlesson? Over the years. I'll

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just give you some of our personalexperience. I have people ask you what's
some of the curriculum that you use, and I need to get some of
that together. But there's always newthings that are being put out, and
things that we used twenty twenty fiveyears ago, they're not available anymore.
Focus on the Family still has agreat audiobook dramatization of the story of Squanto.

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That's one that we listened to manytimes with our children. But it's
a story that you would enjoy asan adult if you haven't heard it.
It's a great production. I wouldhighly recommend that and I'm sure that is
still available. We also used andthat's why I have this up here.
We use this box. This isit's called Thanks Living Treasury and looked online

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and I don't think that this issold anymore, but that doesn't mean that
you can't do something similar to it. It was well get out of the
book here. It was done byFamilyLife dot Com. It's division of Campus
Crusade for Christ and it is setup over a week, so it's almost

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like a little advent type of thing. Every day it set the kids down
and you would go over one aspectof the story. And we did this
when our kids are very young,and so it has some little props that
were part of it, but youcould make that yourself. You know,
here's a ship. We would handthese things out because you know, when
the kids are very young, especiallywith boys, they like to have something

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physical that they can kind of youknow, look at and hold and it's
a nice three D thing here.But you know, you could give them
any kind of thing like that,you know, to represent the ship.
It doesn't have to be this particularthing. And so that would help to
focus their attention. You would haveyou know, the day that you're talking
about the journey. You know you'vegot to ship here in the sea,

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you've got situations where you're talking aboutstarvation. How Squanta help them? You
got a thing of corn. Sostuff like that was very useful. That
would help you to focus with kids. And as I said, every day
there was another lesson. It keptthem short because they've got a short attention
span and you know they're not goingto set through a three hour broadcast of
The David Night Show at that age. So you know, different things like

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that and one of the things thatI really enjoy that we still have.
Oh there were also yeah cards.Again you can find these pictures online,
but there would be you know,classic drawings of scenes from the Pilgrims,
the journey here by sea and allthat type of thing. So there are
things like that, and then therewere some every year at the end of

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each one of these sections. Youwould have the kids if they were very
young, too young to write anythingdown, You would say, you know,
what are you grateful for? Andit give you different categories terms of
what are you grateful for in termsof protection? Or what are you grateful
for in terms of freedom or yourhealth or your salvation? And so you

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would put these things down. Wewould do it, the kids would do
it, we'd date it, putour names on there. And it's interesting
now years later to go back andlook to see what was happening in our
lives and how our kids perceive that. That's the importance of diaries. I
talked about the diary of George Mueller, got a very detailed diary that went

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over very long life and a lotof experiences. But if you really want
to be able to see God workingagain, because providence is kind of stealthy,
you really do need to keep adiary. Talk about the challenges that
you're going through, talk about thethings prayed to God for, talk about
how those prayers were answered, becauseGod is still in that business and so

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all of those things are things thatI would recommend to you. But of
course for adults, the records arethere. You don't need to rely on
PBS or the New York Times forhistory, Please don't. They've got an
agenda, they're not interested in realhistory. But the primary sources are always
better for any kind of education,historical education. So you know, you'll

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find online of Plymouth Plantation, you'llfind the log of the Mayflower. You
find a lot of stuff like that. Many other documents are available online.
But again, think of it whenyou look at the diary of the Pilgrims,
and how do we know what happenedin their life? How do we
know how God moved in their life? Was because they kept a diary.

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You'll want to do that for yourown life. You want to do that
for your own benefit and perhaps forthe benefit of learned to come in the
future, to be able to seehow God worked in your life as he
worked in the life of George Muelleror the Pilgrims. So I'm gonna play
for you now what Benjamin Franklin saidas they were working to put together a

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constitution, and he was telling theConstitutional Convention, he said, you know,
we need to ask for God's providence. God was with us through this
last war, and we need hisprotection, his guidance in terms of putting
together this constitution that we're going todo, and after that we are going

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to have some interviews coming up.I just want to wish you a blessed
Thanksgiving. I hope you enjoy thetime with family and friends. I want
to thank Daniel, a local friendwho gave us a fresh turkey, killed

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it and plucked it and what we'regoing to be working on today. First
time we've done a fresh, notfrozen turkey, so I really do appreciate
that. It's great to have friendsand he's kind of our squanto. I
just have to say, so,have a blessed Thanksgiving. And this is

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pre recorded, so I won't beable to interact with any tips or questions.
But again we're going to have someinterviews coming up right after this.
Here's Benjamin Franklin and what he toldthe Constitutional Convention, mister President, A

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small progress that we've made after fouror five weeks close attendance and continual reasonings
with each other. Are different sentimentson almost every question, and several of
the last, producing as many no'sas eyes is, methinks, a melancholy
proof of the imperfection of the humanunderstanding we indeed seem to feel our own

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want of political wisdom. Since we'vebeen running about in search of it.
We've gone back to ancient history formodels of government, and examined the different
forms of those republics which have beenformed with the seeds of their own dissolution
and now no longer exist. Wehave viewed modern states all around Europe,
but find none of their constitutions suitableto our circumstances. In this situation of

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this assembly, groping, as itwere, in the dark to find political
truth, and scarce able to distinguishit when presented to us, How has
it happened, Sir, that wehave not hitherto once thought of humbly applying
to the Father of lights to illuminateour understandings. In the beginning of the
contest with Great Britain, when wewere sensible of danger, we had daily

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prayer in this room for divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard,
and they were graciously answered. Allof us who were engaged in the
struggle must have observed frequent instances ofa superintending providence in our favor. To
that kind providence, we owe thishappy opportunity of consulting in peace on the

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means of establishing our future national felicity. Have we now forgotten that powerful friend?
Or do we imagine that we nolonger need his assistance? I have
lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the
more convincing proofs I see of thistruth that God governs in the affairs of

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men. And if a sparrow cannotfall to the ground without his notice,
is it probable that an empire canrise without his aid. We have been
assured, Sir, and the sacredwritings that except the Lord build, they
labor in vain that build it.I firmly believe this, and I also
believe that without his concurring aid,we shall succeed in this political building no

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better than the builders of Babel.We shall be divided by our little,
partial local interests. Our projects willbe confounded, and we ourselves shall become
a reproach and a byword down tothe future age. And what is worse.
Mankind may hereafter, from this unfortunateinstance, despair of establishing governments by

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human wisdom, and leave it tochance, war and to conquest. I
therefore beg leave to move that henceforthprayers imploring the assistance of Heaven and its
blessings on our deliberation, be heldin this assembly every morning before we proceed
to business, and that one ormore of the clergy of this city be

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requested to officiate in that service.Benjamin Franklin, Thursday, June twenty eighth,
seventeen eighty seven, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, analyzing the Globalists, Next move

(56:32):
and now the Deevid Nut Show.All right, Joining us now is Joe
Banister. I've interviewed Joe several times, had the pleasure to do it.
A man of integrity. He's aformer criminal investigator for the I R S

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and now he is an Agent forTruth. That's the name of his website
as well as podcast that he has. Thank you for joining us, Joe.
Thank you, David. It's greatto see you again and talk with
you and hook up with Travis again. Let's see, yes, see his
smiling face. Great to have youthere. Tell people a little bit about
where they can find you, firstof all, where can they find Agent

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for Truth? And tell us alittle bit about the podcast that's going on.
Yeah, the website is Agent forTruth dot com. I started out
twenty three years ago with a websitecalled Freedom above Fortune dot com because I
had to decide what was more important, you know, so called fortune at
the I r S with a securepension and paycheck, or freedom you know,

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for myself, my family and forour country. But I thought Agent
for Truth was a good, agood little moniker there, since I was
a special agent with the I RS. And I wanted to be the
best agent for truth that I couldbe. So agentfotruth dot com is the
website. I actually wrote a book. If you don't mind me doing a

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shameless plug, no do it?Yeah, all the investigating the Federal income
Tax report to the American people.And that's because in nineteen ninety nine when
I resigned, I wrote a preliminaryreport. So of course, now that
twenty three years have passed, therewas a lot more news, including criminally
prosecuting me, stripping me my CPAcertificate, all kinds of fun and games

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that the IRS can can let alash out at. So yeah, I
have a podcast. It's actually justthrough zoom, kind of a wonkish thing.
We have attorneys and paralegals and wespeak for years. Was about the
income tax. Of course, intaxation but over the last couple of years

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it's been all about COVID because allthe lockdowns and the tyranny seemed to make
the IRS maybe not pale in comparison, but certainly set it off to the
side, because you know, it'slike the powers that be were fine through
the monetary system and the taxation systemharvesting us like silkworms. Yeah, and

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then all of a sudden it changedto we need to kill them, yes
exactly, yeah, yeah, nowwe're for dinner. You know, they
want us to eat silkworms until wedie and they keep us in prison.
I agree with you absolutely, Andyou know, I've said many times Joe
that the I think the IRS kindof set a lot of precedents of having

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a bureaucracy that was a law untoitself. And you know, Rampaul and
others have in years past would putout the Reins Act to rein in the
bureaucracy because we now have taxation withour representation, we have regulation without representation.
Nancy Pelosi said of Obamacare, wegot to pass it so we can

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find out what's in it. Theyget these funding and they create a bureaucracy
and then they let them create therules. And then after they create their
rules, you don't have any resumptionof innocence, you don't have due process,
and they have no prohibition against successivefines because they say, well,
these are rules, these aren't laws. You only have these types of legal
protections if it's a law enacted byCongress. So we won't have Congress do

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any laws. We'll have the bureaucracycreate the rules. And so I think
that the IRS really took the leadin all of that. But now it's
been weaponized by especially in this medicalmartial law that we've had. It's been
that same tactic now has been extendedto all different aspects of our life,
hasn't it. Yes, And infact I was, you know, as

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I can talk about, of course, as being criminally prosecuted. So they
actually went through the process of indictmentprosecuting me, and I was deservedly acquitted.
We could talk about that in asecond. But in terms of the
administrative state, the way that Iwas stripped of my CPA certificate you know
that I earned from the state ofCalifornia back in nineteen ninety one, was

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through this administrative state. I basicallyhad an administrative law judge from the Environmental
Protection Agency to decide my fate interms of a disbardment from you know,
being able to help clients before thei R S. How did the how
did they get the EPA involved inthat? I you know, I guess

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he was the only one available andthey but I think I had a connection
with the Department of Homeland Security becauseI my it wasn't a trial. It
was more like a hearing was supposedto occur on Coast Guard Island in San
Francisco Bay, and that's a militaryinstallation where you know, you can only

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come and go as they allow you, no no witnesses. They really you
know, I called it the Shanghaion CGI for Coast Guard Island. So
I just just to point out thatthat administrative state can really grind you up,
and you go through all these appealsand but it's really not due process,
not in the true sense. Ohyeah, oh yeah. They really

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wiped out as we saw during theCOVID stuff. You had the CDC claiming
that they had control over foreclosures andevictions and things like that. You know,
it's just amazing to see how theyjust passed the power around amongst themselves,
and it really is taxation without representation, regulation without representation, and of

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course trials really without any representation orlegal due process. That's what's really dangerous
about this. Tell people a littlebit about your process and a little bit
about your background, because it's beena while since you've been on, and
we got a lot of new listenerswho don't know how you went from being
a criminal investigation agent for the IRSand to somebody that they targeted. Thank

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you, well, you know,with all the why hair, it's been
been quite a while. But aftergraduating from college and recognizing that the accounting
profession was quite boring, it tookme a while to figure that out.
Don't know why. But I alsohad lots of friends and relatives in law
enforcement, and so I thought,well, how can I match this,

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you know, accounting degree and experiencewith law enforcement, and so of course
an investigative role came about. SoI applied to the FBI and the IRS
Criminal Investigation Division, and the FBIactually had a hiring freeze. I qualified
to be sent to Quantico, Virginia, but due to a hiring freeze,

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it was basically in this holding pattern. Then the IRS called and I you
know, granted, the FBI hasgotten a worse and worse reputation as the
decades roll along, but back thenin the nineties, you know, at
least to carve away a ruby ridge. And as I say, it was
an unfolding process. But compared tothe IRS, I thought, well,

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the FBI would definitely be a betteragency, but there was a hiring freeze,
so it kind of the idea ofworking for the IRS kind of grew
on me because it was a specialagent position, a criminal investigator, you
know, gun and a badge.You're working on money laundering cases, really
detailed cases with other agencies. Andyou know, I'm granted, tax and

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accounting was my background, so itseemed like a pretty good fit. So
November ninety three, I was swornin as an IRS special agent and just
for the for the audience, theIRS has a civil civil functions where there's
audits and levees and things like that, and then they have a criminal investigation
function where when a when proof ofan intentional violation of a law can be

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investigated. Then you'd have a criminalinvestigator who would do that, much like
a police officer who investigator a crimescene or whether it be secret service investigating
counterfeiting or whatever it might be.So the iOS does it have to be
something associated with a crime or isit something that is tax was an evasion

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as opposed to you know, avoidance, avoidance, Yeah, avoidances, I
can't remember which it was, justlike the approval versus the authorization for the
vaccines. So it's okay, andit's it's it's part of the game to
try to avoid your taxes, andthat's encouraged. But if you evade your
taxes, then is that when theyget the criminal people involved or do they

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still have for evasion? Do theystill have some of the non criminal auditors
involved with that? Well, that'sthat's why it's supposed to work. In
other words, if you don't havea men's rea, you don't have a
criminal intent, then it should bein the purview of avoidance, which even
the Supreme Court, numerous courts haveruled tax avoidance is not a crime.

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In fact, it's expected. Butthe way another mission creep for the I
R. S is even tax avoidancehas become uple matter, so you know,
something for people to keep in mind. But anyway, the difference between
the two is that tax avoidance is, you know, utilizing the law as

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written to minimize or eliminate tax asmuch as possible. Tax evasion is knowing
that you have a known legal dutyto obey some law or provide such information
and then purposely not doing so.Willfully is actually the word that they use.
So when we look at this explosionin the IRS, and well,

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let's continue on with your story.I don't want to get away with your
story. Let's go back and talkabout your journey. You go to work
for the IRS, and then whathappens. So in nineteen ninety three,
and I expected to spend a fulltwenty year career there because as a law
enforcement position, it's not a thirtyyear retirement, it's a twenty year retirement.
You work fifty hour work weeks,so you're getting a ten or basically

(01:06:57):
twenty five percent premium in your pay, plus you know the extra pay for
you know, being a law enforcementkind of person, gun and badge and
all that. So I really expectedto spend a twenty year career there.
And again because the you know,you're investigating money laundering and you know,
really intricate crimes and you know,protecting the treasury as you're you know,

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you're thinking you're doing that, andand so I believe those functions aren't necessary,
and so my expectations were kind ofchanged when about three years into my
career there I was listening to atalk radio show. And that's why I'm
so people like David Knight are soadmirable, because you got those the truth

(01:07:40):
pills dispensing and big bottles. Butanyway, I was an avid talk radio
listener, and so they had aguest on the show talking about the income
tax and the Federal Reserve and allthe things that back in the nineties and
prior to that were just thought ofas oh, the kookiest subject matter,
right, I know, I know, yeah, we have. We'd run

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people for office with the Libertarian Partyand would start out by saying, we
want to abolish the income tax andthe I R s and they'ybody, Oh
they're just radical to these people,right, So yeah, I know,
yes, yeah, yeah, thepioneers. Thank thank goodness for the pioneers,
the trailblazers. So anyway, uhlistened and then it was on a

(01:08:23):
talk show of a guy that wasalways telling the truth about every other thing.
So I thought, well, whywhy would he lie to us.
Now, why would he have aguest on that would lie to his audience.
So that's what got me started.So I spent two years off duty,
you know, evenings and weekends,investigating whether or not these claims about
the income tax were actually true.And the basic claim was that the i

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R S the income tax was notactually required to be paid by most Americans
because they were no federal law evermade them liable to pay the tax.
And the i r S's own instruction, their own regulations state that if you're
liable for attacks, then you haveall these requirements that you have to follow.

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But it's that key juncture, areyou liable? And you know,
nowadays any American can search the Internetand search through the entire thick Internal Revenue
Code. All guys like us wouldcall it thick, right, it's just
on a computer screen now. Butyou can search through all these laws and

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find out, well, where doI become liable? How does this happen?
The IRS says, I have todo all these things if I'm liable
for the tax, Let's see wherethat happens. And then Americans who do
the research come to find out that, oh wow, I'm I'm not liable
for the income tax? Is thatsome kind of an oversight? I remember
our years they would send out thepackage. I don't know if they do

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this anymore, but they would say, you know, the income tax is
a voluntary thing, and we reallydo appreciate you volunteering. And I used
to think that was the most cynicalthing. You know. It's just like
you would get the printed paper mapsand it would always have something there from
the governor of whatever the state was, reminding you that driving is a privilege.
Well, the I R s wouldalways send this thing out and say,

(01:10:09):
uh, and thank you for complyingwith this voluntarily. Uh. And
what are they talking about? Iknow what's going to happen if I don't
volunteer. You know they're going tovoluntarily Yes, you hold me away,
you know. Uh, that's exactly. And that's kind of like you know
when they say the if you're blindfoldedand you there's an elephant in the room
but you don't know it, andyou touch, and there's a trunk and

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you touch and there's a big tonenow and yeah. So those kinds of
clues, even from the commissioners whowould write those those introductory letters each year.
Uh, that's just one of manyparts of the elephant to indicate how
illegitimate, you know, the iR S is enforcement and administration of the
Income Tact actually is. And ofcourse I always hesitate. I'm not a

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I'm not like urging people like thepied Piper go out and battle with the
I R S. You know.Yeah, that's the problem. Even if
they don't have authority, they've gota lot of power, you know,
and we see power abused all thetime without authority. I mean, look
at the last couple of years here, how they've abused there. You know,
without authority, they've abused their power. It's just it's absolutely amazing.

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And you're talking about how thickets become. And that's one of the ways that
they can really control you. Ifthe law is sufficiently complex so that nobody
knows what it is. Really,it's the same as having no law at
all. And that really has beenkind of the operating principle of much of
the government, not just the IRS. But you know, they bury everything
in so many levels of detail thatnobody really knows what it is. It's

(01:11:35):
not a simple statement like we havein the Bill of Rights. And instead
they create these complicated for varications toerase our bill of rights in our constitution.
Yes, and I think also yourlisteners and yourself will be fascinated by
this little little fact. I'm sureeveryone's heard, especially with the COVID,
how people are accused of being youknow, mass misinformation spreaders. Yeah.

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Well, the IRS actually wrote thebook on that they would designate people as
illegal tax protesters. If you pointout an actual black letter law to the
IRS auditor, for example, they'lltell you it's a frivolous argument. So
smearing people with you know, labelslike illegal tax protester or taxi deni er.

(01:12:27):
Really, the book was written bythe I R. S in the
fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, so you know, all I had
to do was dust that off.Fauci could just dust off all those policies
and practices and you know, dismissed. Of course, thankfully. People there's
enough courageous people that they can becalled any name in the book. They
don't care. The truth is thetruth, and eventually, you know,

(01:12:51):
the purveyors of the lies start scurryingfor the for the dark corners of the
room, like Fauci yeah, andwhere at that point right now. I
spent the beginning of this program talkingabout, hey, it looks like it's
turned. They decided that they can'thide the massive pile of bodies everywhere,
and everybody's turning on each other.Well, he was the one who did

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it. I didn't do it.You know, the type of thing.
All the finger pointing is now started, which is a good move for our
side, as long as they don'ttry to escalate this with some other kind
of attack or with a war totry to wipe all this stuff out.
But I'm curious because, you know, Joe, once you challenge them,
especially from the inside, things musthave gotten really bad for you. They

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did. I mean, I was, you know, not to toot my
own horror, but in terms ofawards and promotions and everybody asking, oh
wow, you must be going togo into management. You know, you're
just a hard charger, and soeverything was really great until I start.
You know, I just kind ofraised my hand sheepishly and said, hey,
you know, I've been doing thisresearch about the income tax and trying

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to dismiss these claims by these socalled tax protesters, and sure, there's
some strange stuff out there. Butyou know, I'm a CPA. You
trust me to carry this gun anda badge around. These are the things
that I found. And you know, given that I took an oath to
support and defend the Constitution and youdid too, you know, to my

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supervisors, what about this? Imean, I really think I need to
get this result so that I canbe assured that I am actually abiding by
my oath. And well, theanswer I got was that you probably already
can figure it out. They werenot happy. They would not answer any
of my questions. They would noteven address my report, which is you

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know, the this is what evolved. But originally it was a ninety nine
page report provided to my supervisors,just highlighting some of the concerning issues.
And they sent my inquiries up thischain of command, up to the Assistant
Commissioner for Criminal Investor Gation, andthe word came back down, no answer

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of your questions, will provide youwith the paperwork to tend your resignation.
Wow. Took my gun and badgeaway, kept my pager for a week.
You know, don't call us,we'll call you. And then I
really decided that because I had areally frankly a stellar reputation that if I

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stayed with the IRS, then theywould have made sure that they ruined it,
and then who would believe me?So I actually resigned on my birthday
February twenty fifth, nineteen ninety nine. And I don't know how any listeners
know this, but my birthday Februarytwenty fifth and the income tax birthday February
twenty fifth, nineteen thirteen, weshare the same day, So maybe I

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was meant to blow a few whistles. Wow, So did they just let
you resign? And were those criminalcharges against you? Though? Right?
Yeah? Resigned in ninety nine,and then I had, you know,
no mainstream media attention immediately. Imean, you'd think if a criminal investigator
for the IRS was blowing the whistlethat the mainstream media would care. Well,

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people thought that in the old days, so that didn't happen. But
then the you know, the internetwas taking off in the late nineties and
early two thousands, so I wasgetting a lot of attention. And then
eventually the mainstream media did pay attentionto me. And that's another thing I
found out about the way the governmentand the media work. They want to

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they pay attention to you. Rightbefore they take you down. Yes,
so I was on sixty minutes too. You know, there's a sixty minutes
and a sixty minutes too, SoI made it to sixty minutes too.
I was interviewed by the New YorkTimes and number of times, the Span,
MSNBC, all kinds of media organs, and I'm thinking, Wow,

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you know they're actually paying attention tonot to me, but you know,
to the issue. I mean,we traveled to Congress, to the White
House, the Supreme Court, tryingto petition for a redress of our grievances,
well in reward, as a rewardfor all my efforts, I was
indicted in November of two thousand andfour on four felony counts. Three counts

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were preparing three false federal income taxreturns for a client, and the fourth
count, for good measure, wasconspiracy to defraud the United States of America.
So my trial was in June oftwo thousand and five. I had
about seven months to prepare, andI was looking at, I don't know,

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anywhere from probably three to five sixyears in federal prison if I was
convicted. And you know, thebasic premise was that I prepared these tax
returns on behalf of a client hewas he had already paid taxes and was
seeking a refund, and there's aprocess that you follow, and that's why
he hired me to make sure thatwe followed the process to the letter.

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But you know, as I mentionedabout tax avoidance and tax evasion, they
can turn tax avoidance seeking a refund, for example, into a crime,
and so they call it false falserefund claim. I was the one that
prepared the tax return, so thereforeI conspired with the client. Of course,
none of that was true. Theydidn't even their experts on the witness

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stand. My attorneys walk them throughjust about every line of the tax returns
and said, you know, isthis line false? Is this line false?
Is this line false? And therewas nothing false about them, And
so the juries kind of scratching theirheads, like why is this guy being
prosecuted. The prosecution can't even tellus he did anything bad. So I

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was acquitted in June A, twothousand and five of those charges, and
then of course the whole IRIS civilfunction descended upon me with audits and and
then the the CPA disbarment thing waspercolating along, and of course that's one

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of the many reasons why I don't, you know, act like the pied
Piper's telling people, hey, gobattle with the I R S. Because
I just don't think most people are. I wasn't even really equipped for it.
But you know, I just reachout to the Lord and know that
he'll he'll protect you, and notnecessarily from pain or suffering, but in

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terms of protection of your soul andyou know, your your desire for truth.
Yes, that's right. That isthe thing that matters, and that
is the final court and judgment thatmatters, and that's what gives us the
leverage to make these kinds of changes. Well, you know, I really
and I understand because I have.I've talked to people who went to battle

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with the I R S. Anew one guy who went to prison,
and his you know what happened tohim in trial was he went in he
thought he something in the law thatyou know, shut everything down, and
so he was going to make thatthe issue at the trial and he brings
up he goes, what about this. I said, now, we're not
going to talk about that next question, you know, and that was it.

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And yeah, he couldn't even findanybody who's going to represent him,
so he does it, you know, himself, And they wouldn't answer the
first question. They just shut everythingdown and wouldn't consider anything. Did they
try to with your situation? Theytried to bring enough charges that they offered
you a plea bargain instead of havinga jury trial. Was that, you
know? Interestingly, and according tomy attorneys who had had much more experience

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with Charles and please, they neveroffered me a plea. It's almost like
they knew what fingers I would showthem if they had done that bother with
it. But they said it wasreally unprecedented that there wasn't even a plea
offer. So they must have donesome kind of study of my personality or

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something that you know, I granted, you know, there's people that are
guilty of crimes that say I didn'tdo it. But I didn't. There
was nothing untoward at all. Youknow, I wouldn't sign a document and
a penalty perjury unless I knew thatit was true, correct and complete.
And of course the trial proved thatthey all were. But they charged me

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anyway. In fact, the specialagent that I used to work with who
investigated me, I have it froma very good source that he actually recommended
that I not be prosecuted. Andwhen a special agent, actually any investigator
does an investigation, it's not aforegone conclusion that they're going to find that

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there's a crime. Granted jury,grand juries and diet Ham sandwiches, et
cetera. But there is actually youcome to the end of the road and
the investigator is supposed to give ita recommendation should there be prosecution or not.
And I've never been able to getmy hands on the report, but
a very reliable so are said thatthe special agent actually recommended that I not
be prosecuted because you could not find, you know, evidence that the elements

(01:22:06):
of the crime had been satisfied.And yet the the DJ, the i
R S, you know, allthe bureaucracy decided, well, we're going
to prosecute him anyway, because wecan't have this wayward guy telling the public
that there might be an alternative toyou know, our government position just just

(01:22:28):
pure vindictiveness. And of course thereason that they'll do that is because they
don't want to they don't want tolose a trial, you know, and
so they're looking a lot of youknow, what they do with the grand
jury is to judge the strength oftheir case, and so you know they
don't. Nobody wants to go intothis as an investigator or a prosecutor or
whatever and lose, and so that'swhy they make those types of recommendations.

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But the higher ups just wanted toget even with that. Tell us a
little bit about your take on whatis happening with this expansion of the I
r S. Because now with thisnew bill that just got passed, they're
going to take the budget that iscurrently twelve billion dollars and they're going to
add eighty billion dollars to it.So it's going to be, you know,
about seven and a half times biggerthan it is right now. From

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having been there in the past,how do you think this is going to
play out? I mean, there'sbeen a lot of talk Joe about the
IRS agents who are carrying guns andthat type of thing. I know there'll
be a lot of agents that'll justbe doing audits, like from a CPA
standpoint, But how do you thinkthis is going to play out in terms

(01:23:34):
of how it's going to affect usas individuals? Well, I could start
with the criminal investigation component, justbecause I'm most familiar with that. But
when I was, when I waswith the IRS, there was I think
between twenty eight hundred and three thousandIRS special agents, and now, or

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at least until this bill and thepreparations for it, is about twenty three
hundred, so the head count actuallywent down by about seven hundred. I
think even Rhino Republicans were hesitant toyou know, beef up budgets for the
IRS because you know, the public, at least they're gonna that kind of

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information is gonna going to percolate downto the average joe. So what's amazing
though, is now, of course, with a barely or you know,
democratically controlled Congress and a president thatwill sign the bill, this was basically
their only chance to do what they'veprobably wanted to do for you know,

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thirty forty years, to really justjust pad in the billions and have all
the personnel because the ultimate the ultimategoal really is fear so that people self
well, just like self censorship,right, they self report, they pay
more, they don't fight a noticethat that's erroneous telling them that they own

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more taxes. They want to cultivatethat fear so they get the compliance without
really having to do anything that's right, and it's been very effective. I
mean, when we look at anarmy of eighty seven thousand new agents,
not all of them carrying guns,but you can destroy somebody's life with a
pencil on the paper, right.And so when you look at that being
unleashed on people, and when youlook at the idea that the Democrats want

(01:25:26):
to raise taxes, and for themost part, even though there were some
corporate taxes in there that got raised, for the most part, they want
to raise the revenue by squeezing itout of people with the current tax law
and by using the IRS. Ithink that's the thing that is really concerning
and intimidating and designed to intimidate people, right. And they're really effective at

(01:25:49):
using little buzz phrases like tax therich, pay your fair share, and
you know these Pavlovian they get thePavlovian response, you know, when you're
you have to be afraid that ina jury. Thankfully I didn't have such
a jury. I had a thinkingjury. But the jury that's like,
well I got to pay my fairshare, he got to pay his.

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And they convince you, you know, over that as opposed to whether you
actually violated a law. But theyeah, the intimidation is is the go
to way that they get things done. I guess what I'm concerned about is,
Well, for what the good news? I'll say, first, it's
going to take quite a bit oftime to ramp up to on board.

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Even if they do have the budgetfor eighty seven thousand new people, it's
going to take a few years atyou know, to ramp them up where
they're trained and they're actually then makingphone calls and sending letters and so in
the meantime, you know, that'smore Americans that can wake up and get
the law repealed or or take awaytheir budget or and neither stop gap,

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right, I mean, obviously theagencies shouldn't even exist. Yes, And
I guess that's the question. Youknow, we can't get the GOP to
do anything to really change this structure. You talked about how it was created
nineteen thirteen. You know, whatdid we do before that. I've mentioned
many times that Thomas Jefferson said andbragged about in his second inaugural address that

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they had eliminated useless offices and spendingin his first administration. And so he
said no American now, no noAmerican, no farmer, no labor or
no mechanic knows the taxman. Theydidn't have any internal taxes at all.
They had all the government was runoff of taxes at the border. But
when we had this globalization come inthe early part of the twentieth century,

(01:27:43):
they started they completely reversed that tomake this something coming after Americans internally,
that the internal revenue. You know, they'd had external revenue. Now it
becomes internal revenue and lockstep of thefederal reserve and focusing on Americans rather than
you know, collecting the revenue atthe border. So I don't really think

(01:28:04):
that the GOP is going to doanything to even pull back this increase,
do you No. I'm just saying, like, you know, the ramp
up will take a while, andwe just have to keep growing our numbers.
And you know, David Knight needsto have ten and twenty and thirty
million listeners and viewers. And Iwon't tell them all that stuff if I

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did. Yeah, there's a guythat's come out as a whistleblower in terms
of talking about how this is goingto impact people, William Hank. I'm
sure that you've seen what he's hadto say a former lawyer for the IRS,
and he's saying, no, they'regoing to focus on lower income people.
He said, that's what they've alwaysdone, and of course they're not
going to be able to raise thekinds of money. And he goes through
it. He says, YEA,they're saying they're going to raise this much

(01:28:49):
revenue. Well, there isn't thatmuch revenue. If you're going to talk
about people making over four hundred thousanddollars, there's absolutely no way they could
squeeze that kind of revenue out ofthem. They're going to have to go
to the people with lower incomes.What was your experience when they would when
you were at the IRS, Imean, how how was this? Uh?
How was the split between the middleclass and the poor people and wealthy

(01:29:13):
people in terms of audits, interms of the way they come after them?
Well, there was the There woulddefinitely be an effort to go after
the we call them poster children,the Leona Helmsley's, you know, the
and there's always one of those everyyear around April fifteenth. Isn't it interesting?
Right? Yeah, we call it, we with Gallo's humor, call
it tax terrorism season. Yeah,he's going to be the poster child this

(01:29:39):
year for you better pay your taxes, you know. Yeah, So we
always and there was there would bean uptick. Like basically the management was
looking even on a smaller scale,not the Willie Nelson's and the Pete Roses,
but still on a smaller scale locally, you know, okay, timing
of the indictments and the press releasesand cultivating that fear. Of course they

(01:30:01):
didn't call it that, but ultimatelythat was just you know, they know
that they can only get so muchenforcement out there, but they know how
much fear and intimidation they can generateby the publicity, and so that's always
been the priority. But you know, I worked on some famous cases that

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may have been famous around the BayArea, you know, or California at
the time, but you had butlots of you know, really people that
weren't weren't very wealthy. We're certainlytargeted this investigation that we would do.
I believe they still do. Youprobably heard of the earned income tax credit

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and every year the Congress would wantus to go out the special agents because
you'd be knocking on doors. Sothey wanted to have the armed agents do
so, and we would find massivefraud in the e t C program and
we'd report it to Congress, andCongress would just keep increasing the budget on
it everywhere. And of course you'veheard about all the Solid Security number fraud

(01:31:08):
that goes on. I mean,literally, it is such a pathetic,
ugly, gross system, don't youknow. I'm still out a twenty three
years trying to wake people up.I don't know why the American people put
up with it, and I think, you know, if there were enough
we could change it. And sothat's why you and I know, beat
our heads against the wall just tryingto tell the truth and hope that people

(01:31:31):
will listen, because in a sense, we're inflicting our own punishment, you
know, by not gathering together andsaying you've had enough. I agree,
Yeah, that is exactly it.And they take advantage of people. It's
one of the things that Think andothers were saying was that they typically go
for a low hanging fruit. Theygo for people who don't have a lot
of money, who cannot and theyguess they're not going to go out and

(01:31:54):
hire a lawyer to fight back againstthis like rich people would, and so
they just know that's going to below hanging fruit. It's going to be
easy for them to get it.And we've seen that with civil asset forfeiture
as well. When they would goaround Chicago, most of the cars and
things like that they're solen, havea low value. They're right around one

(01:32:15):
thousand dollars because they charge somebody ifthey want to fight this, they have
to come up with nine hundred dollarsto start these civil proceedings to try to
prove that they're innocent. Same thingwe see with the Irs. Right,
you're guilty and you have to provethat you're innocent. And so they take
the cars from these people who havecars that are only worth a little bit
more than they would have to ponyup in order to contest this. And

(01:32:39):
so as a result, they justwalk away with this stuff left and right.
I think that's what's happening a greatdeal with this as well, intimidating
people and especially preying on people theyknow aren't going to fight back. So
what do we tell people? Whatis it that people need to know about
the Irs? Because I don't wantto encourage people to go directly into battle
with this corrupt organization that has alot of power. But what do we

(01:33:00):
do in terms as citizens to tryto change this thing? What would you
suggest and what do you tell yourlisteners about this? Well, certainly from
a you know, I realized thefrustration of you know, writing writing to
your congressman and whatever it might bebecause they won't listen. But you know,
I still think you got to dothat, and you've got to encourage

(01:33:23):
others to do that. They haveto hear from people that they're upset.
The other thing is another thing isI would say, don't you know if
you can help it, find sometime that rather than watching a football game
or you know, some pastime.We all need our R and R.
But learn about your rights, learnabout the limits to their even over the

(01:33:46):
boundaries of authority. What to doif an agent knocks at your door?
What what do you have to do? What will what can you do?
Don't give them the rope to hangyou with it? And that that's probably
the you know, phone calls andUH house visits or office visits by I
R S agents. Certainly, withif there's going to be eighty seven thousand

(01:34:09):
new agents pounding the pavement, UH, they're gonna have a lot better opportunity
to knock, do knock and talks. And if people realize they don't have
to even open the door. Imean, why do people have ring cameras
and stuff on their on their frontporch, you know, I mean I
read I read an article yesterday thatwas actually like a next door kind of

(01:34:30):
a thing, and the woman says, the man covered my camera, so
I opened the door to find outwhat he was doing. Like what,
you know, don't don't open thedoor, you know, learn there's there's
videos out now about like the ATFyou probably heard out there doing knock and
talks more more frequently because somebody boughttwo guns all of a sudden, it's

(01:34:53):
an arsenal or you know, somesome bs premise that they give to uh
to to to fish. Yeah,show me, I want to make sure
that you still got your guns,that these weren't straw purchases. That's what
they do. And it is surprisingand people and some of the people who
did record this on you know,doorbell camera then said, you know,
I knew this is wrong. Iknew they didn't have a search warrant,

(01:35:15):
but I was so intimidated by it. And that's the way this works the
way the irs works as well.And if they're going to do that over
guns, you know they're going todo this with you know, eighty seven
thousand new agents. You know thatthere's going to be a tremendous amount of
this. You know, I thinkthat's very sound advice to know what your
legal rights are, what their legalauthority is, before this happens, because

(01:35:36):
again that once they get these agentsin it, it's going to take a
little while it is, it's goingto ramp up exponentially, and your chances
of having an encounter like that aregoing to go up exponentially as well.
I've talked in the past to afather who was trapped in this CPS type

(01:35:57):
of stuff and Dwight Mitchell, andhe went through the ringer with this thing,
and he set up an organization totry to educate people about what their
rights are with this, and thatwas one of the first things he told
them was do not talk to thesepeople. Everybody wants to initially talk to
them and say, yeah, letme just show you that I didn't do
anything wrong. You know, that'syour first approach to it. That's not

(01:36:20):
what this is about. This isthey're fishing for things, and they will
misconstrue what you're telling them for theirown purposes. So he says, you
do not talk to them. Thatisn't it a sign that you're guilty.
It's a sign that you understand whatthis process is really about. And I
think that's something very important for peopleto understand about this new army of IRS

(01:36:42):
agents that are going to be knockingon your door, ringing your ringing your
phone. Yeah, I have youryou know, I don't know, maybe
in technologies advanced quite a bit,but you know, you can monitor your
calls when they call on the answeringmachine, and you can hear who it
is, and it's usually a telemarketer, but it might be an IRS agent,
be somebody pretending to be an IRSagent. Even knocking at the doors.

(01:37:02):
I'm sure there'll be a whole newscams of people pretending to be IRS
agents. So there's multiple reasons whya person doesn't need to even open the
door. There's no crime against nottalking. And you know, and again
in the meantime, spend some time, you know, maybe on my website,
I have links to other websites.Your website, listen to your shows,

(01:37:27):
because even when you're interviewing CPS victimsand at and gun victims. It's
really all the same. It isdance card. You know, it's about
you do have rights. I mean, you know, as much as I've
been harassed over my whistle blowing,you know, I still had a trial

(01:37:47):
and there was a jury, andyou know I didn't have to In fact,
I didn't testify and I was stillacquitted. I was able to remain
silent because the Constitution acknowledges that Ihave that right. So you know,
we need to use the rights thatwe still have, to fight for the
rights that have been taken away andjust just just fight, fight, fight,

(01:38:12):
you know, the entire the entireway, and recognize that the government,
you know, isn't your friend,and the investigators have they're looking for
more hash marks to get their promotions, and they just do not have your
best interest. Now, there aresome you know that, like I believe
I went to a search warrant onceas an IRS special agent, and you
know I was smiling and not likeyou know, nasty kind of a smile

(01:38:34):
like oh, we're getting you.But just like I had a demeanor like
I do now, you know,just like I'm trying to do the right
thing, and these other senior agentswanted to take a bunch of stuff,
a bunch of assets that weren't onthe search warrant to be taken. They
basically just wanted to just ream thesepeople by taking all their jewelry. And

(01:38:57):
I happened to be the asset forfeiturecoordinator at the time, and I said,
we're not taking that stuff. Wehave no authority to take it.
And he says, yes, weare. You know, I'm senior to
you. I said, I'm theAsset fourfiture coordinator and I have to inventory
this stuff and explain and justify whywe took it. We're not taking it.

(01:39:17):
Well, good for you. Yeah, So sid forfeiture, that's one
of the big things that's come inand of course you know IRS as well
as the DEA, all these differentorganizations are doing it. Now. We
have in California even a sheriff's officethat is actually robbing armored cars and the
pretense that this has contaminated money.Even though the marijuana facility was legal there

(01:39:40):
in California under federal law, it'snot. So we're going to steal everything
everything in your armored car it's justincredible what is happening now. But you
know, one of the things Idon't want to get your take on this,
Stuart or Joe, is that youknow, we have we have a
government that claims that the deficit doesn'tmatter anymore. This is a claim that

(01:40:02):
was made during COVID by Republicans,by Trump and the other people who signed
on to this. The only personwho seemed to have a problem with the
three trillion plus expenditure was Thomas Massey, and they were furious with him try
to get him thrown out, especiallyTrump. And so with the Democrats,
they've embraced this modern monetary theory andthey're adamant about the fact that the deficits

(01:40:25):
don't matter whatsoever. And so thenthe question becomes, why do we even
need to have any taxes? Isit just to take away all of our
disposable income. I think that's oneof the things that needs to be pointed
out to some of these Republicans.It's like, if you guys don't really
care the deficit matters, why areyou pushing us on these taxes. They
really don't have a rationale even fordoing this, because they're nowhere near balancing

(01:40:48):
the budget. And they're never goingto balance the budget. And they know
that. That's why some of themwere talking about having a constitutional convention in
order to try to force a balancedbudget. But of course that in and
of itself is a very dangerous thing. But they know that there isn't the
will to balance the budget. Sowhy are we doing the taxes? No,
I totally agree. In fact hereI was a CPA, got hired

(01:41:11):
by the I R S and allthese things that I you know that,
as we joked, we're out inthe conspiracy theory territory. We're all completely
factual. As far as the monetarysystem. The real purpose for the income
tax to you know, kind ofscrape off all that excess money printing to
keep inflation under control. And whenthe government can you borrow endlessly from the

(01:41:35):
federal reserve to fund its operations.Why why is there a need for an
income tax? Well, of course, it's because the federal reserve prints the
money out of thin air and thenlends it to the government. And the
government's role is to, you know, the point of a gun, bring
the tax money back to the tothe federal reserve. In terms of interest

(01:41:58):
payments, so you know, it'stoo bad the public. I mean,
there's some complexities to it, butyou know, books like Creature from Jackyal
Island by Jedward Griffin, America Freedomto Fascism, a film that I was
in back in two thousand and six. There's all kinds of ways, really
simple ways on the Internet for peopleto get the basics. They just have

(01:42:20):
to take the time to do.So I agree, Yeah, you're talking
about Jergward Griffin's book Creature from jackylIsland and some of these other things.
I think we're about ready to haveanother resetting of the dollar as a you
know, in the same way thatNixon took us off of the gold standard
and put us on to the petrodollar and that type of thing. Central

(01:42:43):
bank digital currency. And you know, when I think about the central bank
digital currency and their ability to preemptivelycontrol everything that we spend and to be
able to confiscate money just a flickof a switch from us, what happens
to the irs when they go toa central bank digital currency? Are these
people going to become like couber driverswhen they go to fully automated taxicabs Johnny

(01:43:05):
cabs. Well, one thing youcan bet on at least in all my
experience and research is that they're veryforward thinking in the government and so in
fact, like in nineteen ninety eightwhen I was there, they had the
IRS Restructuring and Reform Act, sothe you know, the oxymoronic names of

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bills like the Inflation Reduction Act,the Restruction Reform Act, was not about
restructuring and reforming the IRS. Itwas really about hiding their tracks from stuff
they had done in the past.But they always put you know, the
pearls around the pig's neck to makeit look good. But I have a
feeling that those eighty seven thousand agentsin this uptick and IRS, it's about

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being there and being ready when theturmoil hits with the bad currency and knowing
that people are going to maybe notpay their tax bills so that they can
survive, and they need these agentswho are going to be there ready to
take your property if you don't cooperate, even if you don't have the money

(01:44:10):
to pay. I agree, yeah, taking your property. And here's the
here's where I put on my conspiracytheory tenfoil hat. I think that's what's
going to happen, is this Armyof IRS agents are being prepared to try
to take assets away from people whoare going to be outside of the CBDC.
That's going to be something that peopleare going to try to avoid,

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like the plague, even more sothan any plague that they that they invent.
I mean, I wasn't trying toavoid the plague myself because I didn't
believe there was a plague when itwas going through. But I think that
when they push this CBDC through,they're going to have to have two different
aspects of it. One of themis going to be Okay, here's the
thing, and we want you todo this, and then we're going to

(01:44:54):
incentivize it for a little while andtry to get as many people using it
as we'll do it. As wesaw with the VACS scenes, right,
they're going to say, well,this is great, you ought to have
it's going to save your life.Then the next step is we'll have a
lottery here, and you know youhave a chance of winning lots of money
if you take the vaccine. Ithink the correlation to that with a CBDC

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will be that they will say,well, we're going to make it so
much easier for you they might eventhrow in some cash bonuses if you use
the CBDC at the beginning. Butthen you're going to get to the point
where they're going to try to courseyou. And I think that's where this
army of IRS agents are coming in. I think that's a forward thinking part
about it. People are looking atthis and say, Wow, they're really
going to make our life hell withthis. I think the light making your

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life hell is going to be usingthis army of I R S agents to
attack us if we try to havea a an economy that is outside of
the CBDC. Do you agree?What do you think? I do very
much, as I know you're onboard with this. We're Americans. We

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don't give up. That's right.Might be collectively way too apathetic, and
we've let the cancer grow way tooway too far throughout the body, but
we don't give up. And youknow, people like yourself, all the
whistleblowers relating to the COVID jabs andthe gain of function research and all that
stuff, those of us from youknow, brave people who said I need

(01:46:20):
to tell my neighbor. I needto tell my neighbor because I care about
my neighbor that this shot is adust shot, or that this income tax
is a scam, or that theI R S agents. You know,
you don't have to talk to them, you know, get out, spend
a little more time on protecting yourselfand your family because the the resources are
out there, including the David NightShow U and you know, maybe a

(01:46:44):
little less of the football games andthings like that, and you might find
that we can actually affect a changefor the better. I agree, Yeah,
I think it's going to be it'sgoing to have to be an education
thing and uh, we're going tohave to warn people about a possible possibility
of how this is going to beused, tell them about how this is
currently being abused, and it's goingto be a life saving issue, just

(01:47:08):
like this vaccination thing was. Wego back and we look at this and
it breaks my heart to see allthe people who have been killed and injured
with this and continually who continue tobe misguided with all this and continue to
live in fear. And we haveto push back against this. And I
think a key thing is going tobe educating people around us and our group

(01:47:30):
of people that we have influence withas well as we can. And it's
also going to be making sure thatwe have good people in local offices.
I've been telling people, Joe thatI think it's far more important who your
sheriff is than who's sitting in theoval office, because that's really going to
be more protection for you, orit's going to make things a lot worse

(01:47:51):
for you if the wrong person getsin, depending on than you know who
is in the oval office or whois even the state capitol. It's going
to be the local officials who willhave your back or who will be beating
you on the back at a higherrate. And I think that's the key
thing. You look at eighty seventhousand new IRS agents and yet there's a

(01:48:13):
lot more local law enforcement officials atthe sheriff's level and things like that that
could protect us against this if theyunderstand that we're all in this together.
Yes. In fact, maybe you'veinterviewed him once or more than once,
Richard Mack, former sheriff in Arizona. He's got the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace
Officers Association or CSPOA, yes dotorg. And that's exactly the kind of

(01:48:39):
at least an organized effort. Anyeffort is good. Yeah, but that's
an organized effort to reach out toeach and every sheriff across the country,
you know, excess of three thousandof them. Because one of the many
things I admire about you is remindingpeople about, you know, acting locally,
because how much you can how muchchange you can really affect locally just

(01:49:00):
with the sheriff's office. So yeah, people that check out, and that's
a key thing. You know,we can be caught up so much of
the personalities and the politics, andthey want to direct us continually to Washington,
where we have the least ability toaffect anything because it is so distant
from us, and not just geographically, but it is there's so many different

(01:49:23):
levels, you know, away fromus that it is very difficult to have
any kind of a chance to changeanything there. And the whole situation is
very rigged. Even if we wantto have an honest election, that's something
that we're going to have to workfor at the local level. They don't
want us having relationships with each other. They want us connected to them in

(01:49:44):
a centralized way through zoom and otherthings like that, rather than having face
to face meetings with other people.And that's going to be the key thing.
But I really do think that thatis the way of the most dangerous
ways that this army of IRS agentsare to be used, and that is
to try to shut down any alternativeeconomy that would exist. And I think

(01:50:06):
that's going to go for cryptocurrency.I think it's going to go for people
who try to do anything in termsof a barter and local community. I
think that's what they've got this armyof agents for. That's my just spidy
sense about this, if you will. Can't prove it yet, but I
think we watched this space and Ithink we're going to see some evident's coming.

(01:50:27):
Well, it's great talking to you, Joe. We're gonna have to
get you on again. And Agentfor Truth is where people can find you,
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good, Absolutely, you've been there, You've walked the walk, You've kept
your integrity. I have the utmostadmiration for you, Joe. I appreciate

(01:50:48):
what you've done and it has itsown reward. I know it's been tough
for you, but it has itsown reward and you have capture integrity and
that's the best any of us cando. Thank you for what you do.
Appreciate that. I admire you too, David. Thank you very much
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(01:52:53):
His site is junk science dot comand Steve is one of the best researchers
out there looking the lies of climateand the rest of this stuff and what
is going on with the EPA.So I want to talk to him about
several things today. It is rumoredthat maybe as early as today, but
sometime emminently, the Democrats are pushingBiden to declare an emergency and to use

(01:53:17):
his now I guess the well establishedprecedent of an executive order to do whatever
he wants, and so we're talkingto talk to Steve about that. Thank
you for joining us, Steve heyK, thanks for having I wanted to
start with something that you found that'son junkscience dot com. I thought was
really good Conservative Climate Class episode numberone, and you said, you're watching

(01:53:43):
Fox News out Numbered and before wetalk about this, and you said,
look at this clip, and whatis wrong here that is happening on Fox
News that you did an episode aboutthe climate radicals from the UK going from
town to town and letting the airout of SUVs, laying the air of

(01:54:04):
the tires of the SUVs and putting, you know, a flyer on the
windshield lecturing them about climate damage.But I'm going to play this clip and
then let you comment about what happenedon Fox News. So here's here's a
clip that Steve mLOY found on theOutnumbered show on Fox News. The eco

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warriors, known as the Tire Extinguishersare moving across the US. In June,
they targeted dozens of SUVs in NewYork City, sneakily letting the air
out of tires, and their deflatingtour is picking up speed. They're hitting
other cities like San Francisco, Chicago, even Scranton, Pennsylvania. And the
tire Extinguishers also leave behind pamphlets onthe windshields of the cars that they vandalized,

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reading, in part, attention yourgas guzzler kills. We have deflated
one or more of your tires.You'll be angry, but don't take it
personally. It's not you, it'syour car. This is a machine that
just ray's life with terrifying efficiency.So I appreciate everyone's concern about people getting
to places in an emergency, butI don't want to distract from the actual

(01:55:11):
point that they're trying to make.Here, is that peaceful protesting is that
this would probably not fall under civildisobedience is my understanding, But I'm not
a scholar exactly on where the lineis. But I do want to point
out that there has been protesting.There has been a tremendous amount of effort
from youth, primarily worldwide, whohave called attention to the climate crisis,
which often gets denied sadly on thisnetwork. And to your point about the

(01:55:33):
can and the leather and that you'rethe faster runner, I'm sure that's fact.
But the idea that we have adifferent relationship with forark today. Thank
you not to say that I'm notwearing leather on my shoes, but I
just want to bot it. It'smy property and you don't get to damage
it, and nor would I damageyour property ever in disagreement. I think

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it's really important that we make surethat we keep this specific conversation on the
climate crisis that we're okay, allright. So Steve malloy found that and
he put that out and he said, see if you can guess what the
problem is. What is the problemthere, Steve tell her audience, Well,
the problem is is that you know, these four very conservative people on

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Fox News point out rightly how wrongit is what you know these climate terrorists
have been doing in England and havenow brought to America, and it's all
indefensible. But then, of course, you know, the leftist panel member
that they have on the show juststarts talking climate crisis, climate crisis,
and she keeps saying climate crisis,and how then she justifies what you know,

(01:56:40):
these climate terrorists are doing by sayingclimate crisis, and so she tried
to outflank them that way. Andwhat was disturbing to me is that none
of the four conservative panelists on thatshow you went after her for claiming climate
crisis. They should. There's noclimateis what's the climate crisis? Describe it.

(01:57:01):
It's summertime, it's hot in someplaces, like it always is,
and so it just struck me.You know, climate is a lot like
the Solen twenty twenty election. Conservatives, I'm not really allowed to challenge the
basic you know, you're not allowedto challenge the notion that Biden won,
and you're not allowed to challenge thenotion that, you know, greenhouse gas

(01:57:26):
emissions are destroying the planet. AndI just you know, it's either it's
either out of ignorance or they've beenintimidated or told not to talk about it.
But I just find it very disturbingthat and I'm watching the news today
and it's the same. You know, we have these heat waves going on
in Europe and in America, andof course, yeah it's hot there,
it's hot here, but it's cooleverywhere else on the planet. Today's global

(01:57:51):
warming is about zero point three sixfahrenheit warmer than the nineteen seventy nine two
thousand an average. I mean,it's not even really measurable. Yeah,
it's hot in some places, butit's cool in others. Yeah, I
want to get at I want toget You've got some great articles about Lake
Mead and about the Great Salt Lakeand all the different narratives that are being

(01:58:13):
put out there. I don't wantto get into that. But you know,
before we get away from this thinghere, it's just amazing to me,
as you point out, they're notgetting at the fundamental issue. They're
looking at the sizzle and not atthe stake because they're focused on things that
are going to draw people in.They're focused on things that are going to
be sensational for the viewers. Andthey're also, as you point it out,

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the fundamental thing is not allowed tobe challenged, just as we've seen
for the last two years. Youcan't challenge the fundamental statements about the vaccine
or what You can't challenge the maskor them or the mandates. You can't
challenge these, that's all off limits. So you can kind of, you
know, move around this and saythings like, well, you know,

(01:58:55):
you can't talk about whether the vaccinewords or whether it's safe, but you
can say, but if I've hadit, I shouldn't be mandated to take
it. Should naturalmunity. That's aside issue. These guys are focused on
whether or not this is as shefalsely and that person was Gina Arnold.
I'd never seen her before. Whatan annoying speaker she is, not just

(01:59:16):
what she says, but the wayshe says that the vocal fry. Wow,
yeah, that's you know, butyou know she is she's the one
who's staying though, as annoying asshe is, she is the one who
stays focused on the issue. Yeah, you know, she's she knows that
what the tire extinguishers are doing iswrong. She knows that, but she's

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you know, none of less goingto outflank them. She knows that.
You know, on that panel eitherhas to is allowed to or has to
cut to challenge the basic notion thatclimate is a hoax. It's a hoax.
It's not a crisis. You knowthat. On that show David Webb,
who I love, who's a veryconservative guy who knows it climate is

(02:00:00):
nonsense. You know, he startsto sort of talk about ev waste and
you know, solar panel waste orsomething. He's not talking about climate though.
The climate hysteria is a hoax.And if the you know, they
should know that, like you know, they know lots of other politics,
really well, they should know that. If they don't, shame on them

(02:00:20):
for talking about this but not knowinganything about the issue. That's right.
Yeah, And they challenge her.She kind of throws it out as I
guess maybe a red herring. Youknow, well, I think this is
covered under civil disobedience. It's like, you're not civilly disobedient disobeying the government,
you're attacking somebody's property. And hemade that point, but they get
that's a side issue. The issue, as you point out, is the

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climate issue. You've got a greatarticle also at a junct science dot com.
What is going to happen now afterthis Supreme Court decision that says the
EPA has usurped authority that it doesn'thave. Your title is Scotus is crippled
by But there's only one way tostop them for good. What is that

(02:01:03):
way? By Steve Well? Youknow, so Supreme Court said that basically
Biden administration cannot regulate climate unless Congressallows them to, and in doing that,
Congress destroyed the Obama Clean Power Plan, which was regulating coal plants,
issued in twenty fifteen, which helpedcause the destruction of the US coal industry,

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killed fifty thousand coal high paying coalminer jobs, devastated communities, et
cetera. So now you know wheredo those people go back go to recoup
their losses, you know, fromthis illegal government action. But so despite
that, you know, Biden isset today to you know, announce that
he doesn't care what the Supreme Courtsays, he doesn't care what Congress says.

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He's going to go often do climateby himself. And you know,
I mean, this is crazy.We have a totally rogue regime in place,
That's right, Yeah, you're right. Well, actually, you quote
the sixty three majority of the saidCongress did not grant EPA the authority to

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devise emissions caps based on the generationshifting approach that the agency took to the
Clean Power Plan. But as youalso point out, the Biden EPA doesn't
really care. They'll just find anotherway to shut these things down. You
know, when you talk about whathappened with coal, and we look at
how this energy shock, the fuelshock is just going throughout our entire economy,

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oil, gas, all the restof these things, but also coal.
I reminded Steve of back in nineteenseventy nine when we had the opeic
shock to our energy systems. Theywere saying, well, we're going to
be out of oil and natural gasby the mid nineteen eighties. That was
Time and Newsweek. I've shown thatcover many times on my show. But
then inside of it they said,but we've got six hundred and sixty six

(02:02:54):
years of coal, and so sixsixty six right, so we got to
get rid of the coal. Thatwas They didn't say that, but that's
what they focused on first. Becausewe had so much coal, they had
to do that. This is adeliberate program of shutting down our lives.
I think I've said many times it'snot about the emissions. It's about the
omissions they want to omit. Allof this step from our life, don't

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they. Yeah, And you knowit's not at least you know, with
Jimmy Carter. You know, JimmyCarter was just incompetent. But I mean
he did do one thing, youknow, in response to the nineteen seventies
or crisis, Congress and that passand Jimmy Carter signed a law that you
know, shifted emphasis towards coal forproducing electricity and away from oil and gas,

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which was very expensive at the time. And that lasted until the Obama
administration, which completely obliterated. Nowhere we have another energy crisis, and
we still have all this coal,and we have even more oil and gas.
And is Joe Biden tapping any ofit to lower energy prices to control
inflation. No, He's doing everythinghe can to make it worse. He

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you know, his if he declaresa climate emergency or whatever executive action he's
going to try to do, he'sjust going to make gas prices go higher.
He's going to make electricity prices gohigher. He is non incentivized at
all, you know, his themost important thing for him is his climate
agenda. The rest of us bedamned. Oh yeah, Oh, it's
a deliberate deconstruction of our society.I compare him to Nero all the time

(02:04:28):
setting fires to burn down our societyand then pointing to other people, I
didn't do it, he did it. You know, he's an arsonist.
He's an arsonist to our society.But you you say, there's another case
that is coming up before the SupremeCourt that is very important. Tell people
about that, right, Okay,So you know, like Obama did,
Obama was stopped legislatively on climate andso what he did then was shift to

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the EPA where he launched his waron coal and he issued the Clean Power
Plan and other regulations which were justdevastating to the coal industry, unnecessarily devastating,
produced nothing. So now Joe Bidenhas been stopped legislatively in Congress also,

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so he's going back to the EPA. Now what he's going to do
is he's going to try to controlcoal plant emissions through this back door of
air quality. And to do that, he's got to have the scientific sort
of peer review done by a leda congressionally mandated review panels called the Clean

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Air Scientific Advisory Committee. Now,when Biden came into office, he fired
the existing Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committeeand then reconstituted it. And the people
he reconstituted with are EPA cronies,people who have received tens of millions of

(02:05:55):
dollars in EPA grants. Now,the law requires that these people be independent
and the panel be you know,independent and balanced, But of course it's
not because it's it's just Scott.It's nothing but these EPA cronies. So
there is a there's a lawsuit rightnow about this. It's called Young v.
E Pa. It was argued incourt in federal court in d C

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last December. We are waiting fora decision at any moment now. Now,
if that decision comes down, it'sgoing to completely stop the Biden e
PA from this. I'm trying toregulate climber through the back door of air
quality. But we're just going tohave to see what happens. Now.
That's at a US district court forWashington, d C. Is that a

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left leaning court? Is that likelythat they're going to call him on that?
I know that you know it wouldlook a little bit better if it
was going to go to the SupremeCourt. Is that a court that you
think is going to lean lest However, and support Biden. Well, it's
it's hard to tell. The judgewe have was appointed by Donald Trump,
so that that could be good.We're just I have you know, federal

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court decisions, regardless of who pointsat judge, are often hard to predict.
So we're just gonna have to see. I think I think the cases
open and shut. I mean,it's clear that e PA has illegally stacked
these panels. The plaintiff is good, he has standing. The judge,

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although he turned down the planks requestfor a temporary restraining order against e p
A at the time, which wasFebruary, he told e p A that
you know, E p A,if you continue down this road, you
run the risk of having are allover. So that's kind of a good
sign. But we'll see. Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know,
as I've said many times, whenwe put these things send it to a

(02:07:47):
court, it's kind of like abox of chocolates. You never know what
you're going to get, right SupremeCourt, you know, just when you
think you got these guys figured out, they go off in a completely different
direction. But you know, soit's now, I guess this this climate
emergency, and we can talk abouthow it is not an emergency in a
minute, but let's talk about whatthe Democrats are trying to get Biden to

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do. As they're screaming emergency,emergency, what is it that they're hoping
he's going to do by executive fiat. Well, I don't even think they
know. And that's why, well, that's why today you know, he's
going to be speaking in Massachusetts aboutclimate and they were hoping he would announce
an emergency but it doesn't look likehe's going to because he doesn't really know

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what he can do. You know, he can, as we mentioned earlier,
you know, he can try toregulate climate through the back door at
e PA. You know, hecould he could possibly, you know,
do something to halt oil drilling gasdrilling on federal lands offshore, on shore,

(02:08:56):
But does he really want to dothat during an oil crisis? I
would be pretty you know, Bidensays I'm doing everything I can to reduce
gas prices, and it's not reallytrue. But I mean, that would
be really openly hostile to stop oildrilling. I don't know, you know,
I don't know if you want totalk about this later, but you
know, the New York Times justreleased the poll, which I had to

(02:09:18):
dig on their website to find it, and I only accidentally came across this.
They did a poll with Siena Collegeand reported that among voters only one
percent, only one percent prioritize climateAnd if you look at the cross tabulations
in the age group forty five tosixty four, it was zero percent,

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and among Latinos it was zero percent, and of course among Republicans it was
zero percent, whereas you know,it's like thirty five percent prioritize the economy
and inflation. Yeah. Absolutely,I've talked about this and the fact that
you know, it's the economy stupidthe longest time we've not you know,

(02:10:01):
this is the old axiom that goesback to the Clinton administration when he was
running for reelection. He had theMonica Lewinsky scandals and all the rest of
this stuff and being investigated, impeached, you know, and what was happening
in Europe. But none of thatstuff mattered. It was the economy.
But you know, Biden's got exactlythe opposite problem, and everybody is upset

(02:10:22):
about the economy. I mean,it is virtually they broke that down.
If it's the same pole that Isaw they broke down the economy in about
four or five different categories, andyou total up all the co and those
are the top ones. And ifyou toted up all those different facets of
the economy that people are worried about, that's pretty much everything that everybody is
concerned about right now. But he'sgoing to focus on the zero to one

(02:10:45):
percent concern that is out there,so hopefully that will not work out right
now. Well, yeah, youknow, I think at one percent that
is you know, prioritizees climate.I think they all work in the media
and the White House. That's right. People live in a bubble that is
unimaginable. Well, you know whenthey're talking about this though, as you

(02:11:05):
point out, they don't even knowwhat he's going to be able to do,
but they want him to declare anemergency because this is now the way
that we're all governed, you know. And I've talked about this for the
longest time. I got a clipfrom the Russians are coming. The Russians
are coming. Everybody get from theemergency, right, and so this is
the type of thing. They justdeclare an emergency. Then that supposedly gives

(02:11:26):
them the ability to just you know, act as a dictator. And so
that's really what they're saying, Wewant you to become a climate dictator.
You know, Steve, I've talkedabout this many times. I call it
the climate mcguffin, just like wehad a COVID mcguffin. Hitchcock talked about
how the mcguffin was this imaginary thingthat motivated all the characters. Didn't really
matter what it was, as longas people didn't ask too many questions about

(02:11:48):
it, you know, it justhad to motivate the characters. And we've
seen this. You and I havebeen watching this climate stuff for a long
time, and so we've seen howit's going to be global cooling, that
it was going to be global warming, and then it's going to be just
climate change. But it was alwaysthe same thing that had to be done.
And then when COVID happened, loand behold, it's the same thing
again. And now back to theto the COVID mcguffin. But they just

(02:12:13):
they want the emergency power because theyhave a set of agenda things that they
want to do, and that oneof them is to basically destroy our economy,
take away our energy and make uspoor and depending on them. That's
the funny their agenda. And Idon't really understand where where this comes from,
but there is a large percentage ofthe population that has banded together in

(02:12:35):
a political force that just wants tobe able to do what they want to
do to anybody at any time.Yeah, and you know, the rule
of law be damned. Yeah,that's right. And they don't realize how
that's going to bounce back on them. That's on pointed time. You know
the problem with your having your guybe the dictator is your guy may not
always be the dictator. You setup a dictatorship that's going to come back

(02:12:58):
and bite you pretty badly. Ourold friend Ed Markey and for years and
years ago, it's been almost tenyears, the EPA fraud that was being
done in research Triangle Park, andof course Ed Markey was just a congressman
at the time. He's working withObama's EPA director Lisa Jackson, and they

(02:13:18):
were telling everybody that it wasn't justabout people getting sick, but more people
were dying of fine particular matter thanwe're dying of cancer. This is the
end They had scripted this back andforth, so Now Marky is a senator,
he's been rewarded for all that,and he wants to Biden to ban
further drilling on public lands as partof this climate emergency. I mean,
they want to shut down all energies, don't they. Yeah, no,

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it's it's really incredible. You know, we are seeing in Europe, you
know, this whole global energy crisis, the war in Ukraine itself. Europe
is going to have to ration energythis winter, and it's all because of
you know, green policies, whatI call climate idiocy. You know,

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the only you can't have a growingeconomy and a rising stamlimity a living when
you try to constrain energy. Butthat is what these people are trying to
do. You know, Germany haspaid Germans pay the highest electricity prices in
the world. They have all thesewindmills, all these solar panels, but

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in reality there's still a heat waveover their emissions are going up. They've
accomplished nothing. Now they have toration energy. This whole green thing has
been a disaster. But the leftistjust you know, they they can't give
it up. And you know,we have the same disease in America.
It's called the Democrat Party, andof course there are a lot of Republicans

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that fall for this nonsense too,and it's it's really disturbing, and I'm
not quite sure what we're gonna,you know, do about it, because
it is quite a disease. Well, and the amazing thing is that this
disease I call it cancer has reallyat as size to all of our vital
organs. Right. It is notjust the energy that is vital for these
long supply chains that we have justin time delivery and everything, or the

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manufacture or you know, using itfor you know, agricultural purposes and that
type of thing. But now itis metastasized and this whole energy war has
become a part of this Ukraine war. And so I've got a headline here
from artist Steve that says a heatwave kills hundreds in Spain and Portugal.

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Well, you know, the Russiansare pushing this out because they've got Europe
in a tight spot as they aregoing to be withholding the gas from them,
and so this is just putting moreand more pressure on their enemies,
you know about energy and that typeof thing. And so we see how
this is being played out but itis in so many different areas are coming

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after our food, our transportation,everything in our economy, and it all
comes back to the climate change.And they're using that to attack car energy
production in our food. And youraised a very good point. You know,
Putin has paid climate activists to stopEurope from fracking so that Europe would
get hooked on Russian oil and gas, and Putin funds a lot of these

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climate groups to just you know,keep pushing the hysteria. And more than
Putin, you know, I meanit's China does the same thing. Congress
was investigating whether communists China was payingUS environmental groups to you know wreck the
economy. That's an old that's sortof Soviet concept, wrecking the economy.

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But when Democrats took over, theykilled the investigation. But so now we
have, you know, this wholeESG movement, the ESG investors environmental,
social and corporate governance like you knowLED like Black Rock and State Street,
all these huge banks, investment houseslike Gold and Sachs. You know,
they all profit in China, andI think they're allowed to in China,

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so that they pushed the climate idiocyon the rest of us. I agree.
I agree. I want to getinto that ESG stuff. But let's
not leave the temperature things just yet, because this heat wave stuff we're seeing
the panic of you know, peopleare dying, Hundreds are dying. They
said, heat wave kills hundreds inSpain and Portugal. This is our te
telling everybody. You know, itwas just back in the end of March.

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You remember, Steve, when theywere telling everybody, look that the
temperature just jumped forty degrees centigrade andthe Antarctic and the Arctic, you remember
that, And I was like,wait a minute, how could that possibly
be because that's one hundred and fourdegrees fahrenheit, folks. And if that
were to happen at both poles,as they were telling everybody, how is

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it that we didn't see any jumphere? You know? That was the
idiotic And you remember what happened withit? What that was all based on,
right, it just based on theirprojections. They didn't even measure anything.
It only lasted for two days,right, Yeah, Look, anytime
there's a heat wave, people die. The good news is that less people
are dying from heat waves today thanused to because we have air conditioning and

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you know, we're just smarter aboutthese things. Oh but they got a
plan for that too, though.They get run the air conditioning so we
can kill more people, get ridof the air condited. Not just the
food in the field, but theair conditioning too. Yeah, I'm sorry.
We talked about this earlier. Youknow. It's yeah, it's hot
in Europe, and it's hot maybesomeplace else in the Midwest, but it's
cold other places, and it allaverages out and the con David, remember

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the con was originally called global warming. That's that's the con. And if
you look, is the globe reallywarming? Well not today today, there's
really no global warming because the coldis offsetting the heat of the places,
and so their narrative has failed.And it's frustrating to me that, you
know, the fact that that narrativeis failed. You can't you can't get

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that on TV anyplace. You can'tget that on Fox News, you can't
get that on Nobody wants to talkabout that. And I don't understand why.
That's right, that's right. Well, you know, interesting thing about
this whole thing. Yeah, there'sa heat wave over there, but really
the globe is not really warmer overthe past forty years. That's right.
So it's just weather. That's right. It's just weather, and there's no

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instinction between it. And we seethat on people who are pushing back on
it as well. You know,they will say the same thing when it
gets really cold. Weather is notclimate, and you have to have the
data for a very long time.But we do have data now for a
very long time, and we haveshown that there is no climate change.
You know, there's weather variations.And let's talk a little bit about the
weather as well. You've got acouple of good articles, one of them

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about Lake Mead and then the otherone about the Great Salt Lake. Let's
talk about Lake Mead first. Thearticle at junkscience dot com. Is Lake
Mead shrinking because of climate? Let'stalk about that. Tell people, is
it drinking? Well? Yeah,so well lake Neat is shrinking. Is
it climate? Well, you know, if you look back at Lake Mead's

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history, you know, just maybeI think fifty years ago, the nineteen
sixties, it was as low thenas it is today. So is that
climate, No, it's something else. It's it's probably you know, it
may not be raining, but thatonce again is weather. You know,
drought, is a natural condition outthere. It is the desert, but
there's also water usage. You know, we have ramped up water usags.

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The point is is that this hashappened before. It could not have been
climate because there was a lot lesscarbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So it's
not that it's just you know,these things happen. It's probably mismanagement.
It's got nothing to do with youknow, CO two emissions, and the
same thing is happening at the GreatSalt Lake. I mean, if you

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look back in the history, GraySalt Lake goes up, you know,
its level goes up and down,and it has nothing to do with carbon
dioxide. But of course in themedia, you know, they only look
at what's going on today, andso you know, if there's something bad
happening today, regardless of what hasever happened in the past, it's happening
bad today. It's got to beclimb to change. And it's just i

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mean, almost everything is blamed onclimate change. Oh yeah, yeah.
As a matter of fact, youactually go back and you go to the
data, you know, for severaldecades, and you show the charts in
your article. It had low pointsin nineteen fifty six and nineteen sixty five,
and it still hasn't gotten back that. Even though it's very low now,
it hasn't gotten back to those points. And then we talked about the
Great Salt Lake. You point outthis is coming from the New York Times

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by as you call him. Ithink it's true, imbecile economist, Paul
Krugman. This is an economist,right, maybe maybe he would go back
and look at the data to knowwhat he's talking about. Is this something?
Oh look, it's low. Itmust be I can use this for
my narrative. And that's exactly whatthey met. And you know what's incredible,
David, is that none of thisis rocket science. I mean I

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don't spend half my day looking forthis data. I just do a Google
search and in seconds, in seconds, I come up with this. They
could do the same thing, butof course they don't want to, that's
right. No, No, theydon't want to, and they want to
they want to hide the actual data. And of course I think you were
involved in that, just like Iwas trying to get that information about Michael

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Mann, who came up with ahockey stick thing that was used by Al
Gore viciously fought and eventually one incourt to be able to hide the data,
even after we had emails between himand other people saying, Hey,
our models aren't working. How dowe fix this? How do we massage
the data? How do we hidethe data? How do we hide the

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decline? And we said, allright, you've you've published your results and
you were paid at a public institution. This has been used to craft public
policy. Can we see your data? No, you can't see the data.
Well, I think we know,you know, I think we know
what's going on with these guys.And that's exactly what happened with all this
COVID mcguffin. You know, theyjust keep rolling the same mo everywhere there.

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Yeah, and once again, youknow, it's really Republicans that are
letting us down. I mean,we elect these people. None of this.
You ran, Paul is trying tofight back, but most of these
other people they're just sort of silentand let it. You know, they
don't really do anything. And theother side is really aggressive. Yeah,

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and even if they're wrong, that'swhat they become more aggressive. Look at
Fauci, What a sick s obthat guy is. Why is he still
in the government at his age,he's never been right about anything. He's
a malignant dwarf. Yeah, andhe is making our lives miserable. And
why is he still there? Whatwas Trump thinking? Yeah, I know

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even you know, I walked theplank. Yeah, he even had people
yelling Firefaucci firefaction goes well for me, we'll see what I can do.
Yet and he didn't do anything.I mean after the election he did nothing.
He had sixty days, he didnothing. You you talked a little
bit about what is happening in Texas. Now they've got telling people, you
know, before they do rolling brownouts or blackouts, or telling industrial customers

(02:23:58):
to shut it down so they don'thave to takeaway air conditioning from voters two
months before the election. So I'veexperienced this when I was there and they
had the windmills that froze, andnow the windmills are not producing in the
middle of it anyway, what asurprise, isn't it. Well, Yeah,

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and you know, even in ared state like Texas, the Republican
politicians have been purchased by the windindustry and allowed to They have destroyed the
electricity grid in Texas, so thatyou know, you mentioned that Valentine's Day
twenty twenty one disaster where you know, two hundred people died because the windmills

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froze and blackouts ensued. Yeah,and now you know, we're having the
increasing likelihood of blackouts in Texas andrationally because the wind industry has been allowed
to purchase politicians, right, andit's you know, what do you do?
Do you attack Governor Greg Abbott andall the other Republican governors so that

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they get replaced by Democrats who arecould be worse. I mean, we
are in a real fix. Yeah, we've got to We've got to fix
us ourselves, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the entire
time I was there for about alittle over nine years, I watched them
decommissioning power plant after power plant,and this is what's happening across our country.
And there was a tremendous amount Iforget how many billions of dollars or

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tens of billions of dollars that thestate of Texas gave to these people who
were already billionaires. The same typeof thing they do, you know,
for putting in football stadiums or baseballstadiums or something like that gave them a
tremendous amount of money to build thisinfrastructure for these windmills, large windmill fields
there, and yet they're not ableto deliver. And so it was all

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about graft and corruption, and theybought these officials and they put this in
there. And these people, alot of them had been people who had
been in the oil and natural gasindustry because and they wanted to get in
on the ground floor of something thatwas completely new and different and force people
through the government to make that changeand to get the government to subsidize it.

(02:26:13):
I mean, it's just corruption writlarge, right. No, And
none of this stuff works. Weknow it doesn't work and it's not going
to work anytime soon. And ofcourse you know the dirty little secret behind
all this not only does it notwork and it costs more money, it
all comes from China. It doesn'tcome from here, that's right. And
you know, if we were to, if it were even possible to get

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hooked up on this stuff, wewould be at the mercy of communists China,
because it's the it's where wind comes, the wind, the rare air
earths that make the windmills work,the solar. Same with the solar panels.
You know, slave labor is China, the EV batteries of all the
rare earths and cobalt processing happens inChina. I mean, this is just

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a disaster. Yet we're letting ithappen. You know, the investment in
these windmills and the utilities. Theymake money from putting this stuff up.
They make money now, and sothey get their bone, the you know,
managements, get their bonuses and everythingnow and the rest of us are
left with, you know, thecraft that doesn't work. That's right.
Yeah, And this goes back justlike Earth Day in the environmental movement,

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this goes back to you know,the seventies and Nixon administration where they put
China in the catbird seat. Theymade the decision that they were going to
let these people be the center ofthe global economy. They had slave labor,
they had other things that they coulduse, and they've really been used
I think Steve as a beta testsite for all this stuff you talked about.

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You had a tweet you said,a creepy, elitist, power crazed
World Economic Forum call thre call threeeven higher gas prices to hasten the green
energy transition, and yeah, that'sabsolutely true. You know, at least
you can see what the World EconomicForum is putting up out there. I
looked at that and it's like Iclicked on. It's like, oh,
that's right. I can't view anythingthey've got because they blocked me. I

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didn't realize they blocked me. Ihadn't even trolled them by saying stuff like
we're gonna be careful, they're goingto block you. I'd never directly attacked
them and call them creepy, elitist, power crazed people, which they are,
but I never addressed them directly thoseadjectives. But they preemptively blocked me.
It's kind of strange, but yeah, that is really where I think.

(02:28:24):
You know, these these politicians thatyou pointed out, with this two
party system, they only have tobe slightly better than the other guy,
and then they can essentially ford thisagenda that is anti American and anti human.
And this is what is happening incountry after country, you know,
whether you're looking at New Zealand orCanada, and it's what happened during the

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COVID thing. But that's Sport's happening. Yeah, you mentioned something very important
there. This is an anti humanagenda. Yeah, you all that.
In the mid nineteen sixties, PaulArley, who wrote The Population Bomb and
is still a full professor at Stanfordand is a member of prestigious National Academy
Size Guid's never been right about anythinganyway. He said that the carrying capacity

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of the planet is about two billionpeople. Well later this year we are
forecast to hit eight billion people.And I think that these people, the
World Economic Forum and the people thatget involved with them, and Democrats and
leftists, they really think that sixbillion people need to step off the planet,
and they're doing the best they canto get us there. Oh yeah,

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oh absolutely. Yeah. You lookat the Georgia guidestones that somebody just
fortunately took out for us. Idon't know what was up about that,
but you know, they had evenjust a half a billion, you know,
they were even morem Althusian than PaulErlick. I didn't know he was
still around, let alone teaching.Is that guy? What is he like
ninety years old or something? Yeah, I don't hear very often. He
blocked me. So there you go. Yeah, we're being shut down.

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We can no longer allowed to seeevil or to here evil because we'll speak
about evil. So the World EconomicForum blocks me, he blocks you.
That's that's funny. Yeah. Uh, Germany is planning warm up spaces for
this winter. They're going to bewishing for global warming pretty soon, aren't
they. I mean that. Andwe're seeing and we've talked about this many

(02:30:18):
times in the past, how itwas already long ago because the high prices
in Germany as they were rolling intothis expensive pensioners and people who didn't have
the money, uh to cut backon the term and and that's really going
to be coming up big time thisfall, isn't it. Yeah. So

(02:30:39):
it's really weird. You know thereGermany, which used to be a technological
leader. You know, they've fallenthrough this green stuff which doesn't work.
They're shutting down their nuclear plants.Maybe they're slowing some of that down now
they're going to have to reopen coalplants, you know, against their agenda.
But you know, just today they'rethere's more news putin is you know,

(02:31:01):
squeezing no Moro on gas and youknow they're they're thinking about, yeah,
we're going to need to have communaleating places and how else can we
crash and electricity. I mean,the whole thing is just a disaster,
and you kind of wonder, like, why aren't people up in arms about
this. Instead they elect this newgreen government, you know, they get

(02:31:22):
rid of Merkele, who is badenough. Now they have been forced to
reopen like twenty seven coal plants.Yeah, but they don't want to and
they can't wait to shut them downagain. Yeah, I know. Yeah.
As a matter of fact, Sorosaid, Davos was just railing about

(02:31:45):
how Merkele had thrown them under thebus because she hadn't done enough to do
renewables and left them vulnerable to thesefossil fuels and everything, which is really
the only thing that's going to keepthem alive come winter. It's pretty amazing.
And they're now talking in all thesedifferent places in your up about,
well, should we let the peasantsgo out and gather wood so they can
heat themselves. You know, they'reseriously you know, you know, they're

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talking about gathering wood for fuel,but they're not fully on board that because
you know, we shouldn't let thembe able to go through uh and collect
uh, you know, dead woodout of the forest to heat themselves.
It's amazing. It's turning medieval,isn't it. It is totally medieval.
And you know, now we havethis sort of looming global food crisis because
you know, Russia can't export itswheat will let Ukraine to explore its and

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you know in America we burn grainfor it, We burned food for energy.
Because we have all these athmol exactlywould like who is in charge and
who votes for these people? Andwhat schools did they go to? I
don't I don't know where every whereall these people came from, because they've
all lost their minds. Well,they're they're graduates of the World Economic Forum.

(02:32:56):
Klaus Robins got one of those people. But how did they acquire all
this power and all this money becausethey are obviously too stupid to do anything.
Yeah, how did it happen?Well, you know, they're smart
enough to get into these institutions.I had people ask me that say,
how do we wind up with allthe universities and schools being controlled by these

(02:33:16):
radical leftist liberals and things like?Well, because you know, they they
love it, They love those institutionsand they want to be part of them.
These are the kinds of people whenwe were in high school. They
wanted to be the leaders of studentgovernment. You know, I didn't want
to have anything to do with it, but you know it works out for
them. Yeah, I'll go tostep further. I mean, they have
purposely captured these institutions, which isnot they just gravitate there. They have

(02:33:39):
purposely captured them. I agree.You know, there was a great radio
series starting Dana Andrews from the nineteenfifties. I was a communist for the
FBI, I used to and theepisodes are great because they explain how since
the nineteen twenties, and they doit through you know, recreations of story

(02:34:03):
by FBI ages of how communists havepurposely tried to capture these institute shoots,
yes, and control them for theirfor these purposes. That's right. Yeah,
the Frankfort Institute. They made ita deliberate goal to capture Hollywood and
things like that, and they they'vebeen very successful at that. It's been
a long running plan. Yeah.You talk about and we were mentioning air

(02:34:26):
conditioning earlier. Uh, and yougot an article junk science dot com ozone
hole depletion hysteria debunked anew tell usabout that because they're just rolling out they're
about to rev the version of refrigeratethat we got yet again. You know,
they did it once before and saidsorry, you can't have that.
Now we got something's going to besafe for the ozone layer. And now

(02:34:46):
as their patent, I guess isabout to expire. That was Eric Peters
take on that. Yes. AndRepublicans yeah, like John Kennedy and Bill
Cassie and Louisiana behind this. Yes, so o's other whole steria born in
the nineteen seventies. The guys thatdiscovered the chemistry behind ozone hole hysteria won
the Nobel Prize. And what theydiscovered was there, you know, was
some thinning over the Antarctic and theozone layer which protects us from the UV

(02:35:11):
layer from the UV radiation from thesun. It wasn't a hole, it
was just some thinning. No onereally understood it. These guys figured out
that chloroflora carbons are refrigerants. Whenthey escape into the atmosphere, they destroy
the ozo and and for that theywon the Nobel Prize. We got the
Montreal Protocol, which was pushed byenvironmentalists of course, as well as DuPont

(02:35:35):
who was losing its patents on CFC'sAnd of course since then we've been on
this all. You know, wekeep replacing refrigerants and they keep getting needlessly
more expensive. Well, a coupleof weeks ago they you know, I
never believed ozone hysteria. It's true, the chemistry neither did. I let
me ask you this too. Imean I was always under the impression that

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never looked before. I mean,they never looked before. Are they ever
looking at the ozone layer over thepoles? Was that it was the first
time they looked at as I know, it's a thinning there, and so
well, yeah, so and sotwo weeks ago there's a study that comes
out that says, you know what, there's been an ozone hole over the

(02:36:18):
tropics since the nineteen eighties. Theydidn't even notice it because there was nothing
happening, because there's nothing there.It's just, you know, we have
an excess of protective ozone in thestratospirit. If it gets thin here and
there, it doesn't really matter.And so the whole thing has been a
hoax. Now. I remember,more than about twenty years ago, when

(02:36:41):
al Gore was developing his slide show, I was in a meeting where I
got to see his slide show,and he made this remark in his mark
was, you know, the purposeof the Montreal Protocol was not to protect
the ozone layer. It was toshow that we could get a global climate
tree. Oh okay, it's aboutglobal government. And that is where we

(02:37:01):
are now because out of the MontrealProtocol comes the you know, the the
United Nations Framework on Climate Change,which you know, George Bush the Elder
signed in nineteen ninety two in Rio, and out of that was the Kyoto
Protocol in the Paris Climate Court.So all this stuff, you know,
the fruit of the poisonous tree.The poisonous tree is the Montreal Protocol totally

(02:37:24):
bogus. There's there's no problem withthe ozone There never has been. We
paid needlessly more for refrigerants. Wehave Senator Kennedy and Bill Cassidy and other
Republicans going along with Democrats, youknow, signing a bill at the end
of the Trump administration to force epto make EPA, force us out of

(02:37:45):
the refrigerants we're using right now.Now, there's an amendment to the Montreal
Protocol that's been in the Senate rightnow that Senator Kennedy is probably for as
well as Bill Cassidy, because therefrigerant industry and the environmentals are pushing is
called the Kigali Amendment, and it'sgoing to force us out of our current
refrigerates into something into technology that doesnot even exist yet. Wow, the

(02:38:07):
whole thing is a nightmare. Youknow, people think Senator Kennedy's funny when
he goes on TVs as all sortsof folksy things. I'd like to see
someone ask Sataty Kennedy about this.Yeah, Yeah, the Kagaliy Amendment.
It sounds like Hegelian. That's amazing. That's the way they pushed us.
You know, you're talking about this, and they had to have see if

(02:38:28):
they could get a world agreement.And I've talked to we were talking before
about how the plan for the longesttime has been depopulation and going back to
when the Pope put out his Climatein cyclical, a guy who was very
instrumental in that, who was theVatican Science Director that was writing that was

(02:38:48):
John schellen Hooper, and he hadbeen at the right hand of Prince Charleton.
They had been conspiring to do thisWorld League thing. And a Planetary
Council and an earth Kind Institution.I mean, everything about these guys is
to centralize all power and wealth intotheir hands globally and to depopulate everybody else.
And it just keeps you know,you have all these different organizations,

(02:39:09):
but they all have the same goaland it's that and you have the same
people that keep you know, showingup in all of these these organizations for
global control and world depopulation. Ittruly is amazing. Let's talk, I
said, we get to the ESGstuff. Let's talk a little bit about
the ESG because now these scorers arereally the new corporate bench mark, aren't

(02:39:31):
they. I mean, we're notreally worried about Moody's or any financial ratings.
Now we're worried about the ESG scorethat everybody's got. Well. Yeah,
the whole notion is that, youknow, we the left can't get
more stringent environmental and social standards throughCongress, so they're going to They've created
these you know, fake international bodiesthat are imposing these standards through left wing

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investors on corporations. Is a youknow, it's it's basically a communist plot
to circumvent democracy, to capture corporationsfor their political purposes, and it's working.
And you know, this is ledby Wall Street firms, Goldman Sachs,
especially Black Rocks, State Street banks, people that mentioned that manage our

(02:40:20):
pensions and manage pension funds for states. They use all our money to amass
political power for themselves. Now,you know, there's a pushback. States
like Texas have pushed back against BlackRock Tennessee from other states, and there's
a growing West Virginia. There's agrowing movement among red states to push back
against these guys. But of coursethe bankers are pushing back on their own

(02:40:43):
and it's a real struggle. Andyou have also the Biden Securities and Exchange
Commission. You know, it's it'sgot all these you know, it's starting
to get itself involved in ESG pushingESG rules. They've also got a proposed
rule to require companies disclose their greenhousegas emissions and what they're doing on climate.

(02:41:05):
And the whole purpose of this isreally to capture the corporation. And
we talked about how the left hascaptured all virtually every institution in America.
Yeah, and we've seen now withwoke corporations they have made substantial progress in
capturing those corporations. And you know, as someone who does shareholder activism myself,

(02:41:28):
you know, I can see theycertainly have made tremendous progress against corporations
and so ESG is just another toolto you know, help bring that about.
That's right. You've gone to theExxon meeting, for example, and
others and standing up saying what areyou doing? Because they're not they're not
focused on their product, they're notfocused on their customer. They've got one
customer, and that is the youknow, the people who are doing the

(02:41:52):
ESG ratings and the government it isto do. They're bidding and that's one
of the reasons why you see somuch contempt for their customers from these big
corporations. But it's really being drivenby Black Rock, as you pointed out,
Vanguard, I mean, the bigthree holding companies. They've got about
thirty trillion dollars worth of stock andthey're using that as leverage against these corporations.
And now, like I said before, you know, they used to

(02:42:13):
have Moody's and other financial rating scoresand things like that, but now they're
all concerned about their ESG scores.There's a new MIT Sloan study says,
hey, we're seeing widespread and repeatedretroactive changes to ESG scores. So they're
they're looking at this like somebody wouldraise a red flag about someone manipulating the

(02:42:33):
Moody ratings or something like, well, what's going on here? You know,
this is the way we evaluate corporationsanymore. It's not by their profits,
it's not by products. It's nowby are they going to push the
environmental agenda? Are they going topush this diversity, inclusivity and all that
stuff equity? Yeah, and sothese scores are being used by Wall Street

(02:42:54):
to deny finance to company. Andyou know the next step here is to
you know, take ESG scores andkind of turn them into social credit scores
for individuals. Yes, so youknow, if you use too much energy
or do the wrong things and ownguns and stuff like that, you won't
be able to get financing for yourhouse or whatever you need. It's all,

(02:43:18):
you know, very big brother stuffcoming down the road. And once
again our Republicans doing anything, nothing, not much. We've got some action
going on in the States, butin Congress, Republics even really understand this
and no. Yeah, well,you know, they're rolling out the financial
tools to control this stuff with theCentral Bank digital currencies, and they've already

(02:43:39):
talked about the fact, well we'regoing to follow your carbon footprint and you
know what, what are you eating? You know, I'm sorry, you've
already bought too much meat this month, so we're not going to let you
buy this because we now control allthe money centrally. And then when it
comes to the social side of this, well, I'm sorry, I don't
like what you had to say onsocial media, and you know, the
world economic form has blocked you orwhatever, so now you're not going to

(02:44:03):
be able to fill in the blankand they're going to cut you off from
that standpoint. That's really where thisis rolling out, that that kind of
social credit like we've seen already donethis to China. H yeah, this
is happening in China, and ofcourse it's happening here too. Go to
twitters. See long you last sawTwitter? Is speaking your mind? Oh
yeah, I know, yeah,well you know it was it was a
little over a year ago, afterI'd done the show on my own for

(02:44:26):
about six months that PayPal suddenly PayPaland Venmo just suddenly without any explanation.
I could never get them to explainto me. I'll have to sue them
if I want to get an explanation. They won't tell me. But they
just pulled it. I can't evenuse them as an individual. That's what
this is going to look like foreverybody if they roll in this CBDC.
We've seen it in Canada with thetruckers and Trudeau coming after after their stuff.

(02:44:48):
But it truly is amazing that they'reable to get away with this,
and it truly is amazing that thepoliticians in Washington are not doing anything about
that. And as you point out, there's no in the Republican Party that's
even talking about that, none ofthe politicians. And one, where where
is Mitch McConnell, Where is KevinMcCarthy? Where are these people nowhere?

(02:45:11):
Well, almost every time I talkabout Mitch McConnell, I point out the
insight that you had. And I'mstill kicking myself because I didn't see it.
But you said right after the election, you said, they're going to
get back into this Paris climate thingright away, and you figured this out,
and it was great that you figuredthis out. And I tried to
publicize it as much like it.But you said this Paris climate thing is

(02:45:33):
going to come back with Biden,and it did, and you said,
the way to stop this is forMitch McConnell to hold a vote, because
there's no way they got the votesto ratify this as a treaty, and
that would end it once and forall. Everybody was going back and forth
about well, what is Trump goingto do? This? Is Trump going
to do that to stop the ParisClimate cork? It should have been Mitch
McConnell, and he could have doneit even in the Biden administration when Biden
said we've self ratified, you know, carry and I decided we'll sign it.

(02:45:56):
You can't do that. They're justmaking this stuff up. He should
have called their bluff. But hedidn't do it because he didn't want to
write. Yeah, well, youknow. It's interesting because he did do
it with the Green New Deal duringthe Trump administration when that first came up,
he brought that to a vote andof course all Republicans voted against it
and no Democrats voted at all.But for some reason he wouldn't do it

(02:46:16):
with the Paris Climate Accord, andhe should have done it, because that
would have put an end to itand we would not be in the Paris
Climate Accord now. But yeah,yeah, yeah. Even the people who
are true believers and all this climatechange stuff, I've seen them very angry
about this because they said, howcan this be addressing what we think is
a global problem if you're going toallow China and India to continue to add

(02:46:37):
as many power plants as dirty asthey are forever, you know what,
not forever, but you know fordecades while you're cutting it down here,
you're just rearranging the economic chairs onthe Titanic, they say, And you're
not doing anything to address the problemif you let China and India go free.
Yeah, well, you know,I guess that's you know, you
mentioned it earlier. The World EconomicForum's idea was that China would just be

(02:47:01):
this, you know, basically opensewer that produces all the goods and you
know it's dirty over there, whocares it's clean everyplace else? But of
course, you know, China hasits own mind. It's run by this
aggressive communist party. Oh yeah,that is realizing, God, we have
all this power, We can dowhatever we want. You know, we
can take Taiwan and there's nothing anybodycan do about it, or would dare

(02:47:26):
do anything about because we'll just shutdown their economies. That's right, that's
right. I think that had alot to do. I've said this from
the beginning. I think that thatwhat they did in Shanghai was signaling to
everybody, look, we can shutyou all down. Yeah, when they
shut down Shanghai, I think thatwas a very clever warning signal. Nobody
else is really talking about that.Maybe they're afraid to talk about it.

(02:47:48):
Well. Yeah, Look, ifit comes to end times, the Chinese
have shown they can do whatever theywant to their own people. That's right.
There's not going to be an uprisingat home because they've got that locked
down. Yeah, so they cango to you know, war for keeps
for everything against everybody else. Theydon't care, that's right. They don't
care about their people, and theycan they can do that to their people

(02:48:11):
as a weapon. There was onething that you mentioned on junk science dot
com. Kentucky Attorney General is sayingthat ESG investing is a breach of an
asset manager's forduciary study. So Idon't want to in the time that we've
got without touching on that, isthere any hope that that is going to
be an effective strategy against that?That's a great move. Well, you
know, there's a lot of educationthat needs to go on. People need

(02:48:33):
to realize that. You know,if you hire an investment manager for your
money, of course is the duciaryduty is legal duty is to increase your
investment. It's not to implement somebodyelse, you know, his own social
policy with your money. And it'sit's odd that you actually have to say
that, but the Kentucky Attorney Generalhas now issued an opinion and that needs

(02:48:56):
to unfortunately, have to be marketedto everybody else's they realize that, you
know, people that are pushing ESGversus trying to make money for you or
investors or state pension funds or whateverit is, that's all illegal. That's
right, That's right. Yeah,that should be echoed very very loudly.

(02:49:16):
It's why I wanted to get tothat. And always you're right at the
center of everything, Steve, Ireally do you're coming on? No,
I mean, you picked that up. I haven't seen anybody else pick that
up. The fact that the KentuckyAttorney General is saying, hey, you're
breaching your fiduciary trust. You weresupposed to make money for these people,
make money for the pension plans,and you're out, you know, chasing
your rainbows or whatever. Literally,where is the media on all this?

(02:49:41):
I mean, I find it hardto believe that the last more than thirty
years on this nonsense. None ofit is rocket science. It's just it's
just inconvenient facts that nobody wants toconsider, even people on our own side.
I agree. I agree. Well, thank you so much for coming
on. I'm glad you're feeling better. And folks, if you want to
know what is happening at the epicenterand somebody who stays on top of it

(02:50:05):
and sees what is happening across thepolitical and economic spectrum, that's Steve molloy
at junk science dot com. Thankyou very much, Steve, appreciate it,
David, thanks for having me.Thank you all right, folks.
In a little bit of time thatwe have left, I can't let today's
show end without talking about the newhistorical location, or as some people have
said, a new hysterical location onGoogle Maps, and that is Brandon Falls.

(02:50:31):
Yes, people actually got it.On Google Maps for about a day
they marked the spot where Biden felloff of his bicycle. They marked it
as Brandon Falls, and then Googleremoved it after people started leaving reviews,
and so then somebody put up abicycle shop at the same location, and

(02:50:52):
the comments and the reviews of thebicycle shop were very nice place to ride
a bike. Be careful not tocause too much inflation in your tires or
you can end up crashing your wholebike into the ground. But what happens,
you just blame putin and people willfall for it. Another one said
the bicycle shop there, Brandon's BicycleShop, wonderful place, better than Niagara

(02:51:16):
Falls, a true hysterical landmark.I came across this place by accident on
my bicycle. Get your ice creamthere as well, but leave your kids
at home. And that was echoedby other people who said, great tacos
and ice cream at the Brandon bicycleShop, but it is not kid friendly.
Not kid friends. Somebody else whois not kid friendly is Nicki Haley.

(02:51:41):
I like this headline Hillary Clinton levelsof cringe. That was a comment
of one person who was looking atNicki Haley so desperate for power that is
a very big warning sign. Oneof the most vicious authoritarian warmongers I've ever
seen in my life from any politicalparty is Nicky Haley, and for the

(02:52:03):
life of me, can't understand whyso many Christians find her attractive. That's
the end of our show. Thankyou for joining us the common man.

(02:52:24):
They created common Core and dumbed downour children. They created common past track
and control us. They're Commons projectto make sure the commoners own nothing and
the communist future. They see thecommon man as simple, unsophisticated ordinary.
But each of us has worth anddignity created in the image of God.

(02:52:50):
That is what we have in common. That is what they want to take
away. Their most powerful weapons areisolation, deception, intimidation. They desire
to know everything about us, whilethey hide everything from us. It's time
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