Fri Episode #2074: Operation Paperclip Nazis & America’s Cultural Shift

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a
revolutionary act.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's the David Knight Show.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Wow, well, I once read that.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Then when they asked the Duke of Wellington after the
Battle of Waterloo how he felt about his performance, he
said it was a near run thing. And that's how
I feel about this entire setup for the show this morning.
I don't know, it's just bad luck or whatever technical stuff,
but I got it just on time, right at eight
o'clock Central Time, and poured my cup of coffee beans

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the Brave over to my left, just off screen, keeping
up safe from Woodland creatures, bad vibes and intruders here
at the Brandson office. But it's great to be back
hosting The David Knight Show, filling in for Travis Knight
and the Great David Knight. It's August fifteenth, two thousand
and twenty five. Fortuitous I get to host on the

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anniversary of Richard Nixon taking us off the gold st
August fifteenth, nineteen seventy one interrupts an episode of Bonanza,
which was a Sunday night And no one else has
ever brought this up, But isn't it kind of strange
or ironic that the show Bonanza, which was a huge hit.
I mean, this was a big deal in nineteen seventy one.

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It's a show about people going out west to find
gold and silver. That's what a bonanza is. So interesting
that that happened on interrupting that program and I pulled
up some metrics. You know, there's a website out that's
called wtf Happened in nineteen seventy one, and it has
a It doesn't even talk about the gold standard. It

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just kind of shows you the sociological and economic consequences
of creating a fake currency. And it's a magic trick.
I mean, you know, for the entire part of the
American experiment from its founding, we were on a bimetallic standard,
and you know, we had a dollar as good as gold.

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We had a silver dollar. And in nineteen thirty three,
Franklin Roosevelt made it illegal for you to own go
but we still had a gold standard. They reevaluated the
gold price along with his banker handler Harry Hopkins, and
they raised it from twenty dollars to thirty five dollars
an ounce. But it stayed that way until nineteen seventy one.

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And this was an agreement that we had with the world.
I mean, it's starting in nineteen forty four, we had
the Breton Woods Agreement, and that was the setup for
the new economic world order at the time. That was
the culmination of the fourth turning, the cyclical end of
that period of history. We had the Great Depression in
World War two, and out of that was born the

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IMF and the World Bank, and of course the dollar
became the world's reserve currency. And so in the mid
nineteen sixties the world started to notice something peculiar. The
United States for the first time started taking this silver
out of its coinage. And it is ironic. JFK had

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that executive order about keeping silver and silver as a
monetary medal with the Federal Reserve, and he was the
last figure on the last silver half dollar in nineteen
sixty four, and of course LBJ. Lyndon Baines Johnson took

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the silver out of the coinage the following year. So
the world took notice, and as a matter of fact,
President de Gaulle of France thought that was a signal,
so he sent his warships over actually to pick up
the goal that was the ode to France. He started
seeing the riding on the wall that America was expanding
its money supply, it was debasing its coinage, and so

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by nineteen seventy one, this was something that was going
on around the world. Countries were starting to show up
at the gold window and repay tre create those dollars,
bring those dollars home, and trade them in for gold,
which were they were supposed to be able to do
per the Breton Woods Agreement. So that's why Nixon closed

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the gold window, because we had expanded the money supply,
we had debase the currency, and there really wasn't any choice.
There was going to be a run on our gold reserves.
So this happened in this magic trick in the early
nineteen seventies, and the American people who had been used
to having a dollar as good as gold, you could,

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you know, take a dollar and bury it, and you know,
twenty years later, dig it up and it's a dollar
would buy about the same amount of goods and services.
As a matter of fact, I use this metric all
the time. But if you go back to the beginning
of the nineteenth century, even the late eighteenth century, and
you were to buy shoes or clothes or whatever you needed.

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For the most part in the early twentieth century, it's
going to cost the same. So from you know, eighteen
hundred to nineteen oh five, there was no inflation. I
mean periods of you know, there was nominal inflationment in
between times like the Civil War. Lincoln had the green back,
but it always phased back out because we had a

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bimetallic silver gold standard, and so there was no inflation.
And that's when you start to see this country really
made a pivot. And not only was it the monetary
consequences of taking us off the gold standard, removing the
dollar from gold, there was social consequences and of course

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the internal consequences of having left the tradition of making things.
This was all done and you can look back and
it's like a plan being put into action. If you
wanted to de industrialize the United States, if you wanted
to hollow it out and make it a make it

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sort of like the would have a colony in a
consumption colony, you would do that. You would remove it
from its manufacturing base. And that's what happened. In nineteen
seventy two nineteen seventy three we had the formation of
the Trilateral Commission. In nineteen seventy three, the United States
ran its last trades are plus, and it really was

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the largest transfer of wealth in human history at that time,
prior to COVID nineteen eighty four. But I pulled up
some metrics and I wanted to go, this is this
will blow your mind, because this is a milestone we
just passed recently. I think the last few days we
came across thirty seven trillion dollars in debt. Let's go,

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I'm going to pull this up. It was a metric
that I'd found earlier about the debt. Let's see. Yeah,
you guys, don't this has been funny. I have so
many tabs open and I'm running everything on my laptop,
so you have to bear with me. We may have

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to come back to it because I don't see the
tab anymore for whatever reason. But it was it was
talking about we've had about three hundred and seventy billion
in debt in nineteen seventy one, and so the metric
is basically, you go from a thirty five dollars announce
gold price to a thirty five hundred dollar an ounce
goal price. You go from a three hundred and seventy

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billion dollar national debt to a thirty seven trillion dollar
national debt, and you see the compounding effects, and of
course it gets to a point where and we really
are there at this tipping point here, I just found
the metrics here by the way. Great to be back,

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and I will go to the chat this morning. I've
got Donald Jefferies is going to be on with me
in the second hour along with Billy Ray Valentine. We
might just have an America Unplugged second hour. A third hour,
I've got a mister Anderson is going to be on

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with me to discuss some interesting moves in the space program.
Let me see, in nineteen seventy one, the US national
debt was about three hundred and seventy one billion, roughly
one third of GDP. Today it soared to about thirty

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seven trillion, or about one hundred and twenty three percent
of GDP, a stark fiscal shift over five decades. Most economists,
if you read into debt to GDP ratios, there's like
a magic number and it's it's at one hundred and
thirty percent of debt to GDP, and that's when things

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start to have a cascading effect. It's like a ripple effect.
It all starts to just come apart at that point
where you can no longer borrow, can no longer inflate it.
There is some sort of magic number at one hundred
and thirty percent of debt to GDP where you're going
to have to reset the whole thing and imagine that

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that's what that's what they've been telling you. They're going
to do that. Your friends and Davos at their eyes
wide shut parties, they've got a lot of planning going on.
They're going to do a great reset because they have to,
because this has all been a magic trick. This has
been an experiment growth income growth versus inflation. While medium

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household income climb nominally from roughly eighty seven hundred and
nineteen seventy one to about eighty thousand, six hundred and
twenty twenty three, the real purchasing power hasn't kept pace,
giving the eight times inflation across goods, services, and housing.
Of course, it hasn't. Homes then cost an inflation adjusted

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two hundred and ten thousand. Now the average price hovers
around four hundred and seventeen thousand, nearly double in real terms.
Housing costs have surged faster than wages. I talked about
this yesterday too with Travis and this entire we out.
We're pricing out an entire generation of younger Americans out

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of housing because we've hidden that cost of not having
a fixed value on our currency. We have hidden that
in things like housing. As matter of fact, we went
from an economy that produced things. We're the manufacturing marvel
of mankind with the arsenal democracy all we made things.

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We were manufacturing and we had living wage jobs and
other things prior to these free trade agreements in the
hollowing out, and that would allow a stable home price.
Since we become more of a consumptive nation where we
just consume and we borrow and everything's based off debt.
As a matter of fact, JP Morgan says that gold

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is money, everything else is credit, but in this time
he would be wrong because everything else is debt. As
a matter of fact, every time you create a home loan,
you create new currency. That is new currency, ladies and gentlemen.
That's not something that's borrowed from a reserve. Same thing
if you swipe a credit card, that's new currency. So
we got into the not only the biot business. We

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got into the currency creation business. So every time there's
new debt, which is that's how the economy lips limbs along.
That's how they measure the consumer price index, all of
that stuff, all of the metrics for so called economic
health are based off of debt. In nineteen seventy one,

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gold is a control price of thirty five dollars announce.
The post gold standard prices spiked, reaching eight hundred and
forty dollars by nineteen eighty, and today gold trades above
three thousand to three thirty five hundred dollars announced. Once

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untethered from the gold, the dollar became pure fiat, trusting
government and central bank policy, not gold reserves, now underpins
its value. This unleashed voluminous money creation, enabling persistent inflation
and swelling public debt. Well, it's not only that too,

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it's the it's the wage disparities. If you look at
the graphs and charts you go to wtf happened in
nineteen seventy one, you can see that even you know,
corporate profits are up, and this happened in conjunction with
free trade policy. Corporate profits are record highs CEO I mean,
people that are in the upper echelon income has increased massively,

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but for the average American it's stagnant, flat, or in decline.
And as your dollar buys less and less, you have
to work harder and harder to buy fewer and fewer things.
It is a rig system, and it's not just an
economic issue with me. To me, the entire Fiat experiment

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a luciferian in so many ways. It's it's a vampiric
because it drains you of your energy, and it creates
things that should not be. It favors things that should
not be. If you look at what happened after two
thousand and eight, they actually have and I'll have to
pull up the charts if we have time during the show.

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Just I just thought of it, but they have hundreds
of zombie corporations, and what is a zombie Zombie corporations
is something that doesn't really make money, but I can't
really go under. So it's propped up by central banking,
by multinationals and conglomerates and those who benefit from the

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system itself. See that didn't used to happen. We would
have the semblance of laissez faire, of free market, and
that would take care of itself. Like for instance, I'm
free market. If I don't make a profit, if I
don't run my business the right way, I go out
of business. No one comes to save me. I don't

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get to go to Daddy Warbucks, by the way, which
the character was based off Paul Warburg, head of the
first head of the Central Bank of the United States
also known as the Federal Reserve. I don't get to
do that. I don't get to go and get bailed out.
But that's what we have now, and this top heavy system.

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And you wonder why we get into situations. Why you
wonder why why is customer service so bad? Why is
there no competition? It's because of this crony capitalism. It's
rigged into a fiat system. It is insidious, and they
prey upon you. They prey upon all of your work,

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everything that you do, because you are not able to
cross over and compete with them, which I think is
the entire setup from the beginning. I was talking to
Travis yesterday. I'm reminded of our conversation now and thinking
about the tariffs that were placed on India. As we
see the emergence of bricks and the weaponization of the dollar.

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Everything that's happened really rapidly too in the last five years,
where we see dedollarization on the rise. If you look
at that, we've made no inroads to make it attractive
for companies to build here, to make things here. We
certainly haven't deregulated. We haven't our our Cane Act system.

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It doesn't even make any sense. It doesn't make sense
for a reason. If the super wealthy didn't like the
tax code, they just get rid of it. They love it. It
was built by the oligarchs. It was built by the
ruling class. Matter of fact, nineteen thirteen, you get the
sixteenth Amendment. This was pushed through by the powers that

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be out of the character of the of the American
Republic everything that we had been founded on. This was
anathetical to that. It was passed in conjunction with the
Federal Reserve Act, so that you would be a debt slave.
You could pay interest on the debt that the banksters
would borrow, and they exempted themselves from these taxes. They

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created their foundations and other things. So it was not
a progressive I mean, that's what it always gets labeled,
is that you know, finally we're going to do something
about in turn and social safety nets and everything else,
and people are going to pay their fair share. And
there's the robber barons. The robber barons created it, and
that's why it still stands today. You can't have both worlds.

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That's so funny. You talk to a progressive or a
leftist and they're always talking about taxing the rich or
eat the rich or whatever. You have AOC showing up
at that gala with that dress on about tax the
rich or eat the rich, And it's funny because if

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they are and then at the same breath they also
say that the country is ruled by the multinationals and
corporations and the rich. But they don't seem to seek
notice that the rich love that tax, that they keep
it there. They keep it there for a reason. It's
a control mechanism. It's part of the communist manifesto, and

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we've adopted all ten planks of that, I think number
five of the Common Manifesto. As a central bank, without
Gold's constraint, the Federal Reserve could expand the money supply.
It will enabling large scale deficit spending. Other currencies abandon

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their pegs to the dollar, introducing volatility in global trade
and finance. Economic stability became reliant on the policy decisions
of the Federal Reserve and other central banks rather than
a fixed standard. Well, that's another part of this is
that when you have de dollarization, and even this report

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that I pulled up it mentions the the petro dollar.
That's something else that came out of nineteen seventy one
through seventy four. We got the petro dollar, which disagreement
that does exist. By the way, a lot of people
said it was a conspiracy theory, but no, it was
an agreement that existed. Henry Kissinger broker at it. It's

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basically Saudi and Opek we say, look, we'll protect you,
We'll provide military support, intelligence, will sell you weapons, all
these other things. You just have to denominate. Anytime somebody
wants to buy Saudi oil, you have to denominate that
and take dollars. And so they did, and we did

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that for fifty years, and then somehow last year it
just went away. No summit, no meetings, no nothing, just
this petro dollar disappeared. And of course it's still denominated
about eighty percent in dollars, but now they're introducing things

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like the petro you want, and they're also using a
basket of other currencies. Saudi Arabia is in the periphery
of brick, which is Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa.
It's about forty percent of the world's population. So the
dollar is dying. The dollar isn't hospice or at least

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in its current form. I always say the dollar is
not going to zero. The dollars going to digital. And
you look at what happened with the introduction of the
Genius Act and stable coins, which is another facet of this.
But the dollar is there's a controlled demolition going on
with the dollar at this time, and you can see

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it with countries dumping it, like Russia. Back in twenty
twenty two, when we placed the sanctions, they had a
massive freefall of their ruble. And then once they said
we're going to back this ruble so many grams of
gold for so many rubles, and we're going to stabilize
it and we're not going to take dollars anymore, and
they started going to trade on the open market and

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going direct oil for gold and things like that. With
India or China and the ruble bounce back, but the
dollar did not. The dollar at the time. World usage
of the dollar in twenty twenty two was about fifty
three percent of all global transactions went on in dollars.
By the end of twenty twenty two, going into twenty

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twenty three, it was about forty five percent. It's in
the low forties right now in declining deed. Dollarization continues
to eat into the dollar's share of hegemonic dominance. And
I mentioned before many times to talking with David, if
you look at the the currencies held by reserve by
central banks they have, the number one is still the dollar,

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but number two is gold. It used to be the euro.
In fact, whenever gold supplanted the Euro, the European Central
Bank had some statements about how gold gold threatens the
monetary world order. They're very anxious about what's happening to
their fiat currencies, which is interesting because central banks they

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never hoard their own currency. You know, if they find
it so valuable, why isn't there reserve stock with that,
well's stock with things like go A matter of fact,
they've been buying it at a record pace for the
last five years and ramping up every other single year.
Let's pull up while we're in that line of logic.

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Let's let's talk about what's next for the FED. I
don't pull this up really quick. This is kitco dot com.
And this is interesting too. You have this battle going

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on I talked about yesterday on my show where the
President of the United States is threatening to sue the
chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank. Now that's a thought

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experiment in and of itself. And first of all, the
reason that Trump is unhappy with Jerome Powell is that
Jerome Powell once at least has the semblance of wanting
and at least temporarily a strong dollar, whatever that means.
Because when you lower interest rates, there will be a

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temporary economic boom. You will have, you know, you will
have some projects that will start. You will have at
least of the illusion that things are going great, splendidly.
There'll be a lot of liquidity, happy times are here again.
And then you start realizing the consequences of that binge.

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You know, it's like a hangover, and you get really sick,
and there's some things that start to fall apart, and
there's bubbles that burst and all that stuff that goes
on derme Pow raised rates faster than any FED chair
for a reason. And the reason was is because the massive,
the massive amount of currency creation, unprecedented, ladies and gentlemen.

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As you know, after COVID nineteen eighty four, there was
eighty percent of all the dollars ever created were created
in that five year window from twenty twenty to now.
So of our entire history, eighty percent of all the
dollars created were created in the last five years. So
there was a raise and interest rates. It wasn't the

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highest interest rates we've ever seen, but it was the
fastest rate hike, and that was to put a at
least a tourniquet on the bleeding that was coming out
of the value of the dollar. And this is Reuter's
a with the headline the US Fed to cut rates

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in September and once more this year, say most economists.
A Federal reserve interest rate cut in September the first
this year, followed perhaps by another before a year end,
remains the base forecast for most economists, old by Reuters.
Amid rising concerns about the health of the world's biggest economy,

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US inflation is rising again with more upward pressure expected
from President Donald Trump's tariffs, and there have been big
downward revisions of hiring figures over recent months that suggest
the job market is weakening. What's funny, these experts are
always the last to know. And if you're on the ground,

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you're actually small business in your lifeblood is in this
economic condition. You notice that something's terribly wrong, something is afoot,
something is happening, and it's written all over people's faces
and you can see it. You know, through every transaction.

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It's harder and harder. Like I said, it's harder and harder.
You have to work more and more, longer hours to
make less and less, and things cost more and more
because of the issue with our currency, the way that
the system is built. Trump has berated FED chaired Jerome
Powell over his reluctance to cut rates, and at the

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July meeting there was clear divergence from the steady rates
positioning among a minority of Federal Open Market Committee members.
Alongside simmering doubts over the Fed's independence from political interference
and declining reliability of economic data, it has become more
difficult for economists to make predictions with great conviction paid attention.

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As a twenty eight year old small business guy, I
had a real estate company in a convenience store in
two thousand and eight. I paid attention to what the
economists said, and I will never do that again. I mean,
I didn't believe them, but I thought, wow, they sure
it sure doesn't seem like it here on. It doesn't
seem like it's supposed to be going this way. Sure

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seems weaker than what they say. You know, you turn
on the financial channels and it's like it's great, You're
going to buy, you know, get this this, this stock's
gonna be and I think there's something, there's something lurking.
But the surface, there's something wrong. And I was right.
But the experts, you know, they they never really have

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to pay a consequence for being wrong. They remain experts.
August is not typically a month for big forecasts changes either.
Many are waiting for the next round of inflation jobs data,
as well as the speech from Powell, his last at
the fed's annual Jackson Hole Conference, held this month. As

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his terms as FED chief ends in May, economists are
broadly sticking to a more cautious outlook than interest rate
future traders who's pricing suggest a near certainty of a
September cut and a strong likelihood of another and the
possibility of a third by year end. Well, this is

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their wheelhouse, this is their trick. I mean, it's funny
we you realize how insane it is that, you know,
the entire economy, just with pated breath, is waiting. What
is the Fed going to do next? It should be irrelevant,

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It should be irrelevant. But because of the way the
system works with a liquidity the lowering of rates, because
when you raise rates, liquidity drives up. It's because a
lot of the large holders of capital, and even foreign
nations will house those those dollars. They'll you know, buy

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them and put them in treasuries. They'll because you can
make you know, three or four percent on them. So
the more that you raise rates, the less likely that
there will be dollars flowing through the system. That's why
you raise rates when you want to curtail so called
kurktail inflation at least dampen it a bit. Well, they're
going to lower rates, and you really don't need to

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look further than Japan if you want to go to
zero percent interest rates, and there's even a theory. I mean,
you can technically have negative interest rates you punish, you
have to punish somebody for saving A sixty one percent majority,

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sixty seven out of the one hundred and ten predicted
the FED would lower its benchmark by twenty five basis
points to four percent on September seventeenth for the first
time this year, up from fifty three percent in July survey. Well,
I'll make a prediction they're going to lower interest rates.

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I don't know if it's going to be in September,
but they're going to continue to do that. And I
think in this iteration whatever is going on with the Fed,
I think you have to look at the kind of
zoom out because of the digitized, tokenized system that's on
the horizon. There's something to that if you look at

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and this, you could just take a brief summary of
what Larry Fink has talked about. Head of black Rock,
Larry Fink has gone to the World Economic Forum, He's
gone Davos, and he said Bitcoin's going to go to
seven hundred thousand. I thought that's bizarre. Why would he
say that. Well, if you look at the stable coin system,

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and of course Scott Bessen you look at his involvement
in stable coins, and there's others and that there were
on the periphery of the executive there's a backdoor system
for digital currency through a public private partnership, and you
would need an off ramp. I don't know what role

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Bitcoin plays in that other than maybe a store of
value or something else. Because in the digitized system, and
they've tried this with FED now you had this is
I think July of twenty twenty three is when it
first went online. You had the backbone of what would
have been at least if you called it a a

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you know, the bedcoin. It's what they wanted to call it,
whatever the CBDC was going to be, and it may
still be that, but they've abandoned that particular blueprint I
think for what Zignuberzinski would call an run around sovereignty
through the back door of stable coins and through the

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Genius Act, which I think was a milestone. And you
have to continue to watch that kind of zoom out
and watch that and see if that system is going
to replace our current system, because you can only lower
rates so many more times. I mean, the dollar in
its current form. If you look at is you have

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to look at money velocity and things that I don't
pretend to know how to explain that to you other
than like a Ponzi scheme. You know, if you if
people still use the dollar. That's why we had the
Saudi's use it in OPEC and had the Petro dollar
for so many years because it was a shock to

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the system next so they called it the Nixon shock.
You know, when we went off the gold standard and
throughout the seventies, that's massive inflation. That's elemen Eates in
nineteen eighty with silver at fifty two dollars an ounce gold,
like I mentioned earlier, over eight hundred dollars an ounce.
It was thirty five dollars announce in nineteen seventy one.
So this is massive inflation. So you have to export

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the dollar. It has to have usage, and you know,
with things like the Saudi's picking up in seventy four
help calm that down a bit because it was still
being used, and so money velocity kicks in. But when
they repatriate dollars and that's what's happening, Like China used
to be the biggest buyer of US treasuries. Now they're
the biggest seller. Same thing with you know, the US.

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On a flip side, we used to be the greatest creditor.
Now the word the greatest debtor. So these are all
turned every all the metrics on their head. So I
think at some level, you know, zooming out as yours,
your as your analyst on the with the conspiracy theory
of history and mind, I'm not your typical gold bug.

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Will I will go into uncharted territories with my with
my wheelhouse, for sure. Let me see if there's anything
left in this article, and it says the remaining forty
two of the Fed representative chairs said that they would
something would hold rates. But again, I think that whether

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or not you see a rate lowering in September, the
inevitable is coming. So you're going to lower interest rates,
which will seem at least temporarily like a great thing.
And there will be, you know, a lot of rallies
on Wall Street, at the tech stocks, will be a
lot of things that typically happen when there's a massive

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injection of liquidity will come to pass. The problem will
be again the the consequences of the further debasement of
the US dollar and the purchasing power. So nineteen seventy
one key to everything that we're seeing now, folks. Funny

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that's in August. You know what else is anniversary of today,
and that's victory over Japan.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
V.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Jay Day Surprise. There's not more about that was nineteen
forty five into the last great fourth turning. I talked
a lot about that on my show last week, about
the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. A lot

(37:49):
of hidden history there and something to think about, you know.
And then the term I always thought it was interesting,
the term unconditional surrender. You ever really examed in that
how it does not fit. It does not equate with
a Christian civilization if you really examine what that means.

(38:12):
And then I saw, you know, it's been a crazy
last sixty days. I've noticed that. I think I hosted
almost sixty days ago, but the world has changed immensely
even since then. You look at that's something that Trump
tweeted out. By the way, have we all forgotten that

(38:32):
Trump sent out a tweet to tell the people of
Tehran to evacuate anybody else? Remember that. I know I'm
living in the clown world order, but even that. It
took me back and that's where I thought of the uh,
just the all caps unconditional surrender. Absolutely amazing times. Ladies

(38:58):
and gents. All right, let me let me go to
the comments really quick. We're about forty minutes in. I
want to make sure I'm not missing anybody here. Oh
have Marian Moore. Good morning, Tony. Looking forward to the
guests and you, Well, it's great to see you, Charlie

(39:18):
seven three three seven. This is good morning, Tony. Good
to see you guys. Yeah, thanks for hanging with me today.
It's funny because I you know, if I get asked
to host the show, I always want to host. And
I'm working on I've got a new project down in Texas.
I leased an old branch bank and it's so cool

(39:42):
because it has the the drive through the tubes and everything.
It's it's it's not a very big building, but it
has all the stuff that an old branch bank had
and I'm making that into Wise Wolf Gold Silver Bitcoin.
I'm rebranding and having a physical location there. But I've
got plenty of room for my new studio and it's funny.

(40:02):
If you could see my setup here, this is just
so rudimentary. I had a better set up in twenty twenty,
but I know I need new equipment. And I said
yesterday on my show, I think I I think I've
broken I think I've talked too much. I've done too
many shows. My computer gave up on me and gave
up the ghost folks. All right, let me go over
to Rumble to see all you guys in there. I

(40:28):
love David's audience. And I talked to David and Travis,
and I think I might be able to start streaming
on here. I need to when I get my shows
up and running, especially the Wise Wolf, Gold and Crypto
show that I'm bringing back here in the next couple
of weeks. And one of the comments I recently heard

(40:56):
the FED is planning on a revaluation of gold. You know,
I wouldn't you know. I'm skeptical of those kind of
that kind of intel when it comes in. They're at
war with gold, and that's been the case since seventy one.
They're diametrically opposed. I think what you probably need to

(41:18):
and I think we alluded to this earlier, is the
stable coin issue. It's the stable coins, folks, That's what
they're the dollar is not going to zero, it's going
to digital. There's something in the stable coin system, and
maybe you know, if you look at gold telegraph, maybe
there's something in the gold backed stable coins in your future.

(41:43):
So a lot of people come into the shop and
they say, I've heard Trump's gotta gonna do a new
gold standard or something like that, and I'm like, I
don't think so this is if you peg the dollar
to gold again. By the way, you know the last
I mean, Franklin Roosevelt made it illegal for you to

(42:04):
own gold in nineteen thirty three, and it was Gerald Ford,
not till Jerald Ford in nineteen seventy four, I think
it was Christmas Eve nineteen seventy four made it legal
for Americans to own gold again. That should have never
ever been the cats and abomination. The Constitution of the
United States. It says only Congress can can coin money,
and it has to be gold and silver, and then

(42:26):
there's not supposed to be anything like this private banking
consortium known as the Federal Reserve. But you know, in
that history you weren't allowed to own gold. And you know,
I don't even really know why the government has to
be in the currency business. I mean, we already have
private institutions do a way better job. And I know

(42:49):
what the gold spot price is. I know what the
silver spot price is. I know what the bitcoin price is.
And I can look across the globe and see that,
and it's recognized from Boston to Bangladesh it doesn't really matter,
or from Beaumont to Beijing, all the bees. All right,
there was an article up on lou Rockwell. I thought
i'd try to get to before Don and Billy get here.

(43:15):
Matter of fact, I probably need to. I think donal'll
just show up. I may need to send him the
link just to remind him, so you guys might have
to bear with me on that. How cool is it
I get to talk to the legendary Don Jeffries every week.

(43:37):
I used to just read his books and study his work,
and then one day I got to do shows with him,
and now we do America Unplugged every single week along
with Billy Ray. Let me put this in for Don.
We'll just send him the link. You guys get to.
You guys get to a co host right along with me.

(43:59):
All right, there's a cool article up on Lou Rockwell.
I think we can get to and maybe even hold
over a little bit with Don. This guy was speaking
of VJ. Day, who was president. Then that was Harry S. Truman,

(44:22):
And you know the S didn't stand for anything, kind
of like Ulysses S. Grant. This is President Harry S. Truman.
Founding Father by George Smith says in politics, corruption begins
with the corrupted. We see Turpre two through society's power structure.

(44:46):
But it's only there because we accepted the devil's bargain.
It took shape a long before the current crop of
officeholders ran for political office. It was their goal, political
office that people accepted as necessary and right. Without politicians
and office running a government, we would be an anarchy,
and everyone understood anarchy. People would be at each other's throats,

(45:08):
and life would be solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.
Political office is a position of power over others. It
is not found in nature, But then neither our houses,
jet planes, or starbucks. How did this oddball arrangement political
office get started? And why is it considered more important

(45:29):
than housing, planes, coffee, or individual lives. In the state
of nature of us, each of us would be responsible
for our survival and well being. One way it is
to incorporate with others and produce and trade for things
we need. It's called the free market. Another way is
to steal from the producers. It's called the government. A

(45:52):
third way is to put yourself with the mercy of
the first two and ask them to support you. Thievery
as a career requires at least three conditions. First, the
power to steal and get away with it. Second, the
lack of scruples about taking by force what someone else
has produced. And third, how to redefine number two so

(46:14):
that number one can become acceptable to society at large.
Over time, it became clear to the politicians that, quoting
Shakespeare's Juliet, 'tis but thy name that is my enemy.
No one can institute theft and call it by that name.

(46:37):
So that someone invented a new work called taxes and
declared that taxes takes the thievery out of theft. There
is no violation of ethics if politicians can tax their brothers.
In fact, taking the property of others by force is
not really theft. It's a price paid for a civilized society.

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The rice is special because it's not determined by market.
It's not voluntary it forces like other prices, but rather
by committee. Thus we have a special name for these
special things. Taxes are what politicians call prices, while the
committee bears the distinguished name Congress, a body the vassals

(47:20):
elect because they have no choice about not electing them,
and whose decisions are imposed by implicit threat of death
for the resistors. It should be clear that the politicians
of the countless agencies they've established constitute the government, and
that this government, so the story goes, imposed the name
of protecting us from life's countless hazards. It should also

(47:44):
be clear that the language attempts to hide the distinction
between government's business model and those in the market. Besides
the time tested method of bombing a country back to
the Stone Age, Western politicians today are waging war using
a trojan horse technique, rather than sending hordes of soldiers
to cross the country's border and wreck havoc on their

(48:07):
people and property. Today's politicians get elected in an enemy's government,
usually their own. Then they open the flood dates of immigration.
It's ingenious because i migration is a natural process, and
political support accelerates the process and avoids the problems of
a direct hostile attack. This is an interesting take. I

(48:32):
read it a little bit earlier this morning, and it
goes into I want to say, hope you can get
to it. And it's something that I talk about a lot.
With the formation of the national security state, it really
you know, if you read history and you see there

(48:52):
was a shift, and I kind of like the shift
that we had in eighteen sixty five, you know, the
eighteen sixties, teen sixty five into the Civil War. You know,
the United States are and this in the United States
is this has became a different entity. And so too
did we become a different entity in nineteen forty seven.

(49:15):
And this was a and again the even the goals
of that entity changed, and that entity is the national
security state. Gorvidal talked a lot about that. He was
way out of his time. National security is freedom's graveyard,
says Messing in the affairs of other countries has been
policy since President Truman institutionalized the national security state with

(49:40):
the National Security Act of nineteen forty seven, his Recognition
of the State of Israel nineteen forty eight, and Policy
Report n SC sixty eight of nineteen fifty calling for
a massive build up of the US military and its weaponry.
The red threat served as the excuse for regius departure

(50:00):
from the government's founding principle of non intervention, and its
effect have been and will continue to be totally runeous.
Pundits continue to expose government for its lies, deceptions, aggressions,
and avoidable failures, and he has links to see. He says,
see here, here, here, here. The obscenity of government's unnecessary

(50:24):
wars is struggling to stay hidden, and few are paying
attention to the doomsday clock. Oh, I know the doomsday clock,
and you're a Cold War officionado, you know. I think
it's I think they've I'll have to check out the
doomsday clock. I think it's like ninety seconds to midnight
or something. We're forced to abide in ruining our economy

(50:50):
through taxes and destruction of the dollar to pay for
murdering people in far away places and possibly all of
life itself. But it keeps DoD D contractors fat and
happy and the politicians alive and in office. Later in life,
Harry Truman spoke about the Frankenstein monster he created in

(51:10):
a December twenty second, nineteen sixty three op ed in
the Washington Post one month after JFK's assassination, he wrote,
I have never had any thought that when I set
up the CIA, that would it would be injected into
peacetime cloak and dagger operations. Some of the complications and

(51:31):
embarrassment I think we have experienced are in part attributable
to the fact that this quiet intelligence arm of the
president has been removed from its intended role, that is
being interpreted as a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign
intrigue and a subject for Cold War in amy propaganda.

(51:51):
Now that's that's the formation of nineteen forty seven, which
was interesting. We're coming up on the eighty year anniversary
of that. Another you know, another fourth turning. That's the
formation of You get the CIA in forty seven, you
get the Air Force, you get the NSSA, and many

(52:15):
other periphery organizations, possibly even linked to whatever happened in
Roswell in nineteen forty seven. This was right on the
heels and when they came out with the birth of
the National Security State, and of course following years, this
article mentions you have the recognition of Israel. Something happened

(52:41):
in that summer to the National Security establishment that created
a different government, and you can find that. And it
may have been the influx of Operation paper Clip, which
the importation of the Nazi scientists and intelligen officers, and

(53:02):
we had the best Nazis. That was that was our game.
We wanted you know, the Russians were going to get theirs.
We were going to get ours. And you know we
even had our our our favorite Nazi was on Disney.
Walt Disney put him out front and he's Bernard von Braunt.
He got to be a very big part of the
American landscape. And Stanley Kubrick I think captured that very

(53:25):
well in Doctor Strangelove. Kind of the Cold War mentality
post Operation paper Clip and national security state. Should we
be surprised when government is given an inch that it
takes a mile? Is that not the history of the
Constitution a document of limited powers that Hamilton and others subverted.

(53:51):
And none of the critiques have I read a proposal
for doing away with government as it exists, says Jacob G.
Hornberger has written endlessly about the harm and futility of
government's immigration control, for example, yet he he and most
others don't extend that analysis to government itself. Still, he

(54:12):
acknowledges that the Jeffersonian truth that the people have the
right to abolish destructive government and form new ones. Since
its creation, Truman can be credited with showing how destructive
the national security state has been. I submit a new
way of government, governing society as an order, and it's

(54:34):
hiding in plain sight. Government can and should be market
based rather than an institution of our demise. That's an
interesting blend of of tough, hard truths and a little
bit of history, which is my favorite. And we got

(55:00):
b r V in the background. He's welcome to come
on at anytime. I will go over today. We will
go over spot prices as well. I'll do a little
bit of market check when I get the rest of
the crew on and again, well, in about three or

(55:23):
four minutes, we'll have the great Donald Jefferies. I see
harps Is in the chat. He says, good good day,
good day, sir. Let's see I'll check the rumble chat
as well. Skunk Hollow Rose Gardens donated five dollars. Says Tony,

(55:48):
you look like you've been benching and doing core, but
at your cardio more like a leg. But as your
cardio more like a legro oh, I really, you know,
I just do I walk. I like walking for my cardio.
I train, uh you know, four or five times a
week if I can. I usually just get really sore

(56:12):
and part of being an old paratrooper and things I
put my body through through powerlifting. But thank you for
the compliment. I'm I'm having some coffee with some methylene
blue in it. Going through the comments, Birdhouse Blue says, Hi,

(56:35):
Tony and Birthhouse Blues always makes the best AI renditions
of me and Beans and the guys at America un Plugged.
Just because that's fine. Just because Tony is the alpha

(56:56):
wolf doesn't mean his beard has to play the role.
That's true. I don't have to leave my beard out
of this. Guard Goldsmith says, Tony is rock and well
I couldn't do as good as you. Guard just has
he has a content producing machine, and it also has

(57:17):
I mean, it's and it's dense and it's relevant. I'm
just you know, I'm just streaming consciousness, just crazy enough
to be able to host a show like this. Let's
see Melissa's in the chat. Could just see Melissa's more
wild woman. Let's see what else yeah, thank you. Woodrow Wilson.

(57:42):
Now Woodrow Wilson gave us the four horsemen of the
political apocalypse that was the free trade, the income tax,
the Seventeenth Amendment, the direct election of senators, and the
Federal Reserve. So much fun. All right, well let me uh,

(58:11):
I got I'm gonna add these two gents. We'll go
ahead and add you guys. This Don Jefferies, Welcome to
the David Knight Show.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Don oh, thanks for having me. Tony is a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Always good to see you, sir. And Billy Ray Valentine.
Who's can we hear you?

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Billy?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
What's up? Buddy?

Speaker 1 (58:35):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Oh? Good to see you.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Good to see you too, as usual, Sir?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Should I play the America Unplugged theme? Should we just
let that role? Donald Jeffries most of the Donald Jeffries Show.
It's good to see you guys. What's on your mind?
I kind of covered this is the anniversary of Nixon
taking us off the gold standard, you know, kind of fertuitous.
That's my wheelhouse, easy, I can I can phone that in.

(59:04):
I don't even have to. That's something I think about
all the time. So not not hard, and I a
little breakdown of the National Security State from lou Rockwell
dot com. So we've covered some ground. Uh, don, what's
what's your article this week?

Speaker 4 (59:20):
No, well, my last one, I didn't get much traction.
I guess I you know, I didn't run enough about Jews.
I guess you know it's Sydney. I wrote about Sidney
Sweeney and the controversy with her, and I guess, I
don't know. I it's there. Weren't that many fans about it.
Was a little disappointed, but I talked about how, you know,
there's kind of a war and not I don't think
she's the most beautiful person in the world, but she's

(59:40):
certainly attractive, and I just think there's kind of a
war against beauty as well as everything else. I never
I never thought when I was younger, I used to
think that the greatest fart anyone can play is just
the natural good looks. You know, you're never going to
be discriminating for your looks. But you do see good
looking women at actually getting discriminated against a bit now.

(01:00:01):
And I never thought, like, you know, they would be
discriminating against by obese people. But that's the kind of
stuff's happening, and so somehow they were mad and you know,
to take that thing, it's just a play on words,
the kind of stuff I like to do all the time.
You know that Sydney Sweety has good genes. I mean, okay,
everybody knows what's that. I mean, they're not suggesting she's

(01:00:22):
an Aryan queen and this has to do with a
Nazism and that's the way they took it, and it's
it's just absolutely ridiculous. And then I put a picture there.
But I think it's very revealing where you had this
gigantic woman, you know, pointing against Sydney sweet as if
she's That says a lot about how the world has
turned upside down, because someone like that would have been

(01:00:44):
bullied and made fun of in the past by people
to look like Sidney Sweetey. Now the worm has turned.
So I just think it's it's interesting that they probably
I guess it wasn't it wasn't a deep matter for
a sub stat because it didn't get as much responses. Uh,
my subtects have been recently.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I know that Billy Ray Valentine has good jeans. You
have good jeans, Billy, mm hmm. It's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I could do without the hereditary diabetes. But other than that,
you know, I do have some nice pair of designer
blue jeans.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
I have.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I have a few of those, you know, because I
like to look good when I'm walking down the street.
Depends on what type of of jeans we're talking about here,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Just too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
To add to this a little bit, I think the
reason it didn't get as much traction as as your
other stuff done is because nobody gave a damn about
this story to begin with. It was not it was
uh really made up and it's it's it could be

(01:01:59):
a masterclass laid out on what of the alternative right,
which is pretty much taken over the party right? What
maga would Fox News? What they do in order to
amplify something and and really not cover anything that really
needs to be covered. They're covering nonsense, right. So what
happened here is a couple of people online It wasn't

(01:02:22):
even I mean, it's just a couple of people online
started saying some things here and there about about the
about the ad and they took it just like they
do everything, and blew it up as if it's a
PCR test, right. They take it and bang right, it's
it's a little thing, right that that that's found and

(01:02:44):
it's amplified eight thousand times. That's what's going on here.
You walk around here, nobody knows who Sydney Sweeney is.
Now they do, you know, but nobody knew who she was.
Nobody's saying, oh, oh my god, they're doing it's a
play on words. All she has great genes. They're American
Eagle Outfitters. Isn't trying to do that. They're trying to
sell jeans to whomever will buy them, right, you know,

(01:03:07):
so and no one, no one is thinking that. But
it became an entire thing here, and you know, nobody
is even complaining that. Well, to say nobody is a generalization,
but it is a very small number of people that
are even complaining about who gets to be on that
on you know, the faces of these ads Sidney Sweeney like,

(01:03:30):
like you said, she she's not exactly the most attractive
woman in the world. I mean, she's pretty. There's nothing
to it, you know, there's nothing, well, at least for me.
Everybody has their own taste, you know. But you know,
they could have easily pulled Megan the Stallion. She's all
over the place, you know, and nobody would have bat
it an eye. But but they found an issue to

(01:03:52):
concentrate on and find another excuse not to cover the
Epstein situation, another excuse not to cut for what's going
on with with Russia now you know things, and not
to cover what's going on with our economy. So they
take these nonsense, red meat issues that they throw to

(01:04:12):
the base, that is, you know, designed for the base
to dig into and give them something that they relate to.
It's the culture war, and the culture war is made
to divide. All of this is made to divide, so
especially with this issue here, like I thought it was important,

(01:04:33):
you know, so I'm semi glad you brought it up,
even though I think it takes away from from the
actual stuff that's going on. They just made this up
largely in order for people to sink their teeth into
and it blew up. The right is responsible for this

(01:04:54):
being prominent. That's a full stop, you know. And if
you want to say MAGA, fine, well we'll go to MAGA.
I know there's a big difference between conservatives and MAGA.
I'm not talking about classical conservatives. I'm talking about mega
here and the alt right and h and how they've
managed to manipulate for the American public with these sorts

(01:05:19):
of stories, with these sorts of of of nonsensical really
nothing burger stories, but they blow them up and this
is a great example of it. So everybody needs to
keep their eyes out for it. The left is not
really making a deal of this. They never did. The
left is responding to what the right had put out,
not to not to say that the left. Every time,

(01:05:42):
you know, somebody says, oh, the left isn't doing this,
they're like, oh, my god, you're a liberal. You're not
paying attention to the left and all this other stuff
out there. The left, the left is is has a
lot of problems, right, But what I'm talking about now
now is this specific issue and it's really not an issue.
It's not, but they want to make it. They want
to make it one because they don't want to talk
about Michael Wolfe, right, they don't. They don't want to

(01:06:04):
talk about what Michael Wolfe is out there saying. When
has Fox News covered Michael wolf maybe in passing, you know,
but he's out there dropping bombs about Epstein left and right,
and he was doing it back during Trump's first term.
Also nobody gave it. Damn. Now there's more eyes to it.
But no, the right wants to talk about Sidney Sweeney,

(01:06:26):
whom I don't even know what she does till right now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
I kind of though the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Apparently. Well when we say about what you mean Trump's
former returneyment, what what? Yeah, let's talk about the Epsteiners
because I'm just wondered. This is a you know, this
is very uncharacteristic of the left to be demanding the
release this. I mean, do they think that only Trump
is going to be on the list they don't care, Well,
that's that's that's great. If they don't care, that's cool,
because I mean, I can't see Bill Clinton going down.

(01:06:57):
And he was on supposedly on the whatever the low
leaded thing twenty nine times and I talked about the
guy Mark oh was his name? I forget his name now,
But it's the most classic example of the Clinton body count.
It was just a couple of years ago. This guy
was found with a shotgun blast to his chest, hanging
and they were ruled it a suicide. And this was

(01:07:18):
the guy who during the Clinton administration, Epstein used to
visit the White House when Clinton was President's he he's
the one who signed Epstein in every time, and that's
the way he went out. So I mean in half
of Hollywood, I mean, I don't Maybe the left is
so much wants to get Trump that they'll sacrifice all
the other people. I just don't see any of those
people going down. And I don't see there's any way

(01:07:40):
that it could be. You know, Trump can't be associated
with it in some way, so that's why the reight
doesn't want to release it. But I don't see how
all those people on the left are either. So hey,
I'm rooted for it, and I hope and I think
it's incredibly it's the dumbest thing. Again, I think it's
Trump has signed, so I think it was not on
purpose but miscalculation. Trump has ever But you're right, he is.

(01:08:02):
He hasn't lost all his base because they can become
distracted by this thing and even more even dumber stuff
like you know where I am the Commanders. You know,
almost every football fan here wants it to be called
the Redskins again, so you know that he's shaded with that.
It's exactly a bold thing to do, and of course
it'd be completely meaningless. Same thing with, you know, putting
a cane sugar back in coca cola instead of a

(01:08:25):
fruit toast corn set, which is would really nice. I
don't drink coke anymore, but let's take a fruits corn
strup out of everything. How about that? Not just coca cola?
And and why doesn't Mexico have corns here? But anyway,
you know, make sense? Why do we need Nobody asked that,
just like nobody asked why the UK? Well you can
buy McDonald's French Rise there and they have three ingredients
they're all natural, and here they have like thirty or

(01:08:48):
something like that. Nobody, why exam And that's the kind
of stuff RFK Junior sometimes says. But I agree we should.
We should have real issues and we should. I guess
Tony was. I didn't get to watch, but you said
about the National Security stay, and I'm sure Billy Ray
something to say about that. But I mean, this is
just another miscalculation on Trump's partner. I think he's he's
trying to salvage what's left of his base. The people

(01:09:10):
who go around with you know, are excited about law enforcement,
and so he thinks he's going to crack down. I mean, look,
I've lived in the DC suburbs, you know, for all
my life, and DC's always been dangerous in certain areason.
I don't know what's happening now other than the big
balls got attacked. I guess that was what's the impetus
here is. But I don't understand what's going on now

(01:09:31):
and to what extent he's going to try to take
over DC. But this, this is again another dumb issue
because I don't know what you accomplish. But it plays
to that what I would call the classic conservatism base,
which is in love with law enforcement. They're in love
with authority as long as it's people they don't like,
and that's why they're making They're doing the same thing

(01:09:52):
the left does when they want to cancel people and
they don't like what they're saying. You can't just again,
it's the same thing with nine to eleven. You can't
you can't arrest everybody named Mohammed because they might be
a terrorist. You can't you can't go looking for and
I don't think they're doing that here, but it's the
same kind of mentality. Let's everybody has a tattoo and
you know, it looks Mexican could be an MS thirteen

(01:10:13):
gang member. It's the same kind of thing. And I
don't know what they're going for here and what they
but unfortunately, too many of the mega people are on
board with it because the people that run DC are horrible,
I mean people are so it's it's an easy win
for him to but I think he's again making a
big mistake, and he's he's going to lose more honest

(01:10:35):
people that really want put America first because this is stupid.
It's it's a distraction. It's it's almost as dumb as
a city Sweeney and and uh changing the Redskins name back.
I mean, it's it's it's ridiculous. It's a distraction, and
as I'm sure Tony pointed out, it does it certainly
reinforces what a lot of people think of him as

(01:10:57):
an authoritarian who you know, wants to create a police state.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
There's been a massive amount of injected stories into the
discourse posts the post the press conference where Trump said
are we still talking about Epstein? Why are we doing this?
And uh, you know, Pam bondis like and that that
dastardly Jeffrey Epstein, that weird. This had this, yeah, and

(01:11:27):
you know deer in the headlights. After the fallout from that,
then you had Telsea Gabbard come out we're reopening the
investigation into Russia Gate. That kicked off, so that was
another distract, and then we've had.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Any rest with that, Tony. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Of course, when as soon as it hit, I go, oh,
they're doing this, this is the so this is the play.
And then of course, the like you said Billy mentioned earlier,
with whatever the clickbait right is, you know, we'll take
an issue and blow it up. Now, I will say
with the and I don't know anything about Sydney Swingey
or the genius thing, but I do think that there's

(01:12:08):
always an available psychopathic Luciferian, you know, possessed leftists that
will hate anything that's pretty or good or funny, you know,
so you can always find one. I mean, they're easy
to find. I read an article yesterday just these two

(01:12:28):
professors that want to promote climate change. They're ethics professors,
and they want to continue to promote tip bites that
with the give people alpha gal that where they can't
have red meat because of the tick infection, so they
want to promote that, so like I would assume they'd
be of the left, and like this is the so's

(01:12:50):
that's an argument that is is real, but it is
also blown up. So I agree with with Billy there
that they take this stuff and they just run with
it and they repeat it, rinse and repeat, because it'll
take your mind off the fact that we were all
still going, wait a minute, this whole thing about the
Epstein list and who's on it and the files and
the ten thousand hours or whatever the hell you have,

(01:13:12):
and you're just telling me it doesn't exist, and now
it does. Glaine Maxwell's been given immunity and moved from
a maximum security to a very minimal security prison from
Florida to Texas. There's big things happening. Oh and yeah,
and we've also got the Bill Barr issue, you guys
have we've talked that. We haven't even talked about that
on America Plug because we took off last week. We

(01:13:33):
had the Bill Barr issue, you know, with him behind
the scenes trying to get Trump f Rico and then
you know his connection to and his dad's connection to Epstein.
There's a lot here, and so every distraction and in
low hanging fruit and everybody knows. I mean, hey, I

(01:13:53):
you know, bring back Mary and Barry. Anybody remember Mary
and But we could put him back, you know he
it takes one to know one. You gotta shut me up.
He smokes crack right right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
That was more popular than ever after that. I mean,
because they looked at it and it's and that's what
I can't stand ghetto culture so much because they they
love the fact that he was apparently one of them.
He was keeping it real. So we got to put
him back in office. Like what you know what how
many people did he how many people were locked up
in DC for crack cocaine during that time? You know

(01:14:29):
you don't care about that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
I mean, it also gives a beat. There's there's more
people that won't subscribe to that than do you know
here in the hood. There's there's more people that don't
want that don't use drugs, that get up and go
to work every day, that contribute to the economy, and
that want to want to keep their neighborhoods clean and
want to keep their neighborhoods arising. You know, I mean,

(01:14:54):
I think we should when when we talk about things
like and that's another distraction actually, this black fatigue and
ghetto culture. But it's just a means to divide, you
know that that's all it is. So when we when
we talk about those sort of things, it's important to
highlight that the majority of the people that are here
and and that that live in these neighborhoods, they want

(01:15:16):
to do better. Everybody's going to higher education, they're trying
to get better jobs, they're trying to get out of here,
and a lot of people are doing that, and then
they're trying to rehabilitate the areas that they're in. We
need to highlight that rather than highlight the negatives. In
my opinion, when it comes to some of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
I mean, and I think I I've always felt empathy
for any anybody living in those neighborhood set because what
they're having. But the problem is that the ghetto culture
what I call it, that has become the culture. It's
promoted non stop. Even the people may not may hate it,
but I mean, it's you know, it doesn't make any sense.

(01:15:55):
So you see people like Spike Lee and other filmmakers
that glorify it, that make movies and they say, oh
they bemoan it. And they're trying to No, you're glorifying.
Just like in the nineteen thirties, Warner Brothers in Hollywood
glorified gangsters. They were trying to show they were bad,
but everybody thought they were cool. And it's the same
thing now they're trying to glorify. I mean, you know,
there's no it's no mistake that I don't think I've

(01:16:17):
met a black guy in my life whose favorite movie
wasn't Scarface. I mean, you know, that's that's it's it's
the kind of thing. They based the entire gang culture
on that stuff, and it's terrible that they glorify it.
They should show they should ridicule it, and that's the
only way to do, but it never gets ridiculed. Instead
it's always considered cool. And yeah, like the people that
live in those neighborhoods, I mean, it must be awful,

(01:16:38):
but you know, because you want to have that thing,
you want to have that try to be rectified. But
I mean, well, Trump's going to crack down on that.
I guess that's what he's doing. Just what Trump's doing
with this, is he is he going after that or
what if maybe he's going to have bookmobiles going around
and force inner city kids to read. I make it,
you know, I don't know he's going to do that. Sure,

(01:16:59):
he's going to chatting, all right. What a strategy is
is he has he announced what his strategy is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
You have to read. Every every kid has to read.
We're gonna make them read. They're going to be the
best readers. Read that that that That's a good point,
don And I'm gonna throw it to Tony afterwards. Man,
it's it's uh, what's going on in the in d
C is a massive, massive problem, and there are people

(01:17:33):
that support it. You know. There was a poll that
was done, uh, not too long ago about and they
were pulling the base, right, the well, not just they
were pulling Republicans, and they said forty of Republicans will
continue to back Donald Trump even if he is implicated

(01:17:56):
in the Epstein files and I mean the worst implications, right,
they said they will continue to back them. And then
they did, you know, a montage of people that were
interviewing people. This was on I saw it. I saw
the clip on Instagram, but it was on CNN and
MSNBC as well, and they were talking about, you know,
interviewing people about this, and would you would you support

(01:18:16):
Donald Trump if you find out, if you found out
that he was, you know, engaging in pedophilia or crazy
acts with Jeffrey Epstein or that. Absolutely, anybody but the Democrats,
anybody but the liberals. You know, it doesn't matter. I
don't care what he's doing. As long as we don't
have a liberal in there, we don't care what he's doing.

(01:18:36):
So we talk about Trump the arrangement syndrome quite a bit.
I think we really really need to start talking about
Democrat arrangement syndrome. Every time. Every time it comes up,
somebody has something to say about about the left and
how crazy they are and how you know everything else.
It's like, well, how much do you really hate the left?

(01:18:57):
Are you willing to cut off your note for it? Like,
are you willing to sacrifice your nation for it? At
this point? Because I've never seen anybody do what Donald
Trump is doing right now? Okay, actually no one's ever
done what Donald Trump is doing right now. And that
is a fact. Federalized the police over in DC. Sure

(01:19:19):
he has the right to do it because DC is
under his control anyway, it's it's federal, but it's never
been done before. And the telling thing here is, first off,
there's no reason to do it right. This is another
example of what the right does, and they blow things up,
and then people just start parroting it. They're like, oh
my god, it's so dangerous to be in DC. Stephen

(01:19:39):
Miller said it was like Bagdad. Thus walking down like
it's like walking down Bagdad or Ethiopia. He said, it's
that crazy walking down DC. I've been to DC several times.
I've taken walks at two three in the morning to
the documents, and I'm good. No one's ever even talked
to me. It's beautiful down there. Of course there's areas

(01:20:01):
around it that that aren't the greatest, but no one's
ever no one's ever messed with me. It's certainly not
bag Dad. I mean, Tony would know about that. Tony
knows what a war zone looks like. You tell me, Tony.
But but I'm just saying, like, this is what they're
They're they're saying now right that the reason he did
this was that it was so out of control in DC.

(01:20:21):
You know that that they needed to take this type
of action and send in the National Guard, And they
got FBI agents out there now too, and and of
course the police, and and he said he's going to
send the military. He's not ruling it out. Take him
at his word. People, He's said he's done it before already. Okay,
in in in California for no reason as well, for

(01:20:45):
no real reason. Anyway, they're gonna pick a reason and
run with it. He said he was going to do
it to other American cities, and I believe him. And
this goes back to the Dark Enlightenment. They want to
take not just United States, but cities. The cities. They
want to take the cities and have them run by

(01:21:05):
a CEO. This is what's what what their philosophy says,
right that they want them run by a CEO and
a board, a board of people, and the actual people
that live in there can can vote via their feet,
meaning if they don't like it, they can leave full
authoritarian I'm not making this up. Go go read it.

(01:21:27):
You know, Curtis Jarvey right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
By the Dark Enlightenment, and you're talking about the technocracy,
the spin on technocracy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Uh, Peter, Theiel is certainly down with it. You know,
I think it's intertwined to a degree. It's it's what
Curtis Jarvin has been pushing for years and years and years,
and and Peter Field subscribes to it as long as
as as along with JD. Evans, you know, their friends
and they they relate to this, this philosophy. This is

(01:22:01):
where doge came from, getting rid of all the federal employees.
This is where that came from. And ultimately what they
see to do is install a dictator. This is why
they're giving Donald Trump all the power of the unitary
executive theory. They're giving it to all this power to
Donald Trump because and this is open, this is not
a conspiracy theory. This is their open thoughts that they

(01:22:24):
want a dictator to run the United States. They said
that that Americans need to get over their dictator phobia
and this is the best way to do it because
democracy is dead and it doesn't it's not a thing.
It doesn't work, and this is the best way to
do it as long as you have a competent CEO

(01:22:44):
to run the nation. And that competent CEO is Donald Trump.
And I am not He's not competent, you know, I'm not.
I'm not fully I'm afraid that he's gonna want to
stay in office in a couple of years, in three years,
you know, I'm afraid that he's not gonna want to leave.
And these are these are some of the ways that
he can do it. I don't think he can run again. Uh,
he certainly can't do it legally. But if he starts

(01:23:07):
taking over some of these cities, you know, and this
is we know he's lying to us about the reason
why he took over the city, about the reason why
he took over DC. There are other reasons. We need
to start exploring those other reasons. And I think the
Dark Enlightenment is one of the best options here that
we can look at because they're they're starting to implement
some of this, you know. So that's what makes sense

(01:23:29):
to me.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
I I I think I think certainly I agree with
a lot of that. But uh, I think this is
why I you know, and people sometimes mistake me for
a conservative as saying I've never met a conservative, I
never will be. And this is one of the reasons why,
because this is the the the bad part of conservatism
is this love of authority, and it doesn't it doesn't

(01:23:52):
fit with the Maga of mind because the Maga mindset
is that the authorities are corrupt, supposedly, and that was
so Trump on the one hand, and was calling out,
especially in his good rhetoric, he was calling out a
lot of the horrible things that are going on, the
horrible people that have been running things for too long.
But you don't you overthrow that by reinforcing the power

(01:24:14):
of the law enforcement, you know, and the which is
what he and that's what conservatives do. I keep saying,
the police are not your friends. What the hell do
they have to do to you for you to understand
that they still want to do it. I saw there
was a they used to be entertaining. They get both,
but they have like these these maga people that infiltrate
like transgender rallies and stuff like that, and it's it's

(01:24:37):
entertaining because there's you know, there's gonna be middle fingers flying,
name calling, and they're almost physical altercations. And they're usually women.
But this one, you know, kind of you know, I
don't know, she's young, probably, but she but she's total
maga devote you know, she just said she loves everything
about Trump. But then she was so shocked because the
police turned on her, as they always do in these

(01:24:58):
situations and I told her to no, you have to go.
And you know, the transgenders are up in her face
and acting crazy. You know, they defended the transgenders as
they almost always do, and she the leak of shot
on her face. You know, I'm saying, you know this,
this is the police are not on your side. But
it never the the light never goes off in their head,
and so they're they're going to be predisposed to like this. Yeah,

(01:25:21):
give that's what we just get police war just to
rest more people. We already have more people in prison
than any country has in the history of the world.
The last thing we need. I don't. I refuse to
believe that there are that many criminals in America, especially
when you have all the unpunished criminals and positions of authority.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
They were.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
Criminals, but you know you can't. But this, this is
the mindset. We just lock more crack, you know, users up,
or more people that are committing maybe petty crimes or
something or littering. I don't, I don't know what they
you know, what what they what they're who they're planning
to lock up. But DC present's got to be pretty
overcrowded as it is, and so I don't know what

(01:26:00):
the strategy here is, but it sells. It sells to
the base. I mean, goes back to Richard Dixon. What
what did he run on law and order? Law and
order campaign? That's our problem is the law. And you know,
my anarchist friends that maybe the order is the problem too.
But I can't this is this is sad to see
and it's terrible because you're basically unlike Billy Ray. I

(01:26:22):
don't think Trump is I don't know if he's going
to last his term, you know, in terms, if he's
really sick or whatever. But I don't think that this
is this is a lame duck presidency. Now he's trying
desperately to distract three and a half year a lame
duck president. We never say anything like it, and he
made it a lame duck presidency with his absurd reaction
to the Epstein list, because he lost lots of his base.

(01:26:43):
They may may not seem like it, but he did.
There's no question he did. He lost anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
What's that strike on Iran and not ending the w
It's a it's been a blunder the last eight months.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
Subservience to Israel in the face of all logic, in
the face of you know you, people like Merger. I
think Billy Ray is probably Marjorie Taylor Green's newest fan.
Now you know Mark Levien wants Mark Levine wants to
lock her up. I mean, you want to go to Israel.
I mean this. That's why I'm saying the left. I
hate the authoritarian left, but you see, when it comes

(01:27:19):
to Israel, especially the right does the same thing. I
can't lock somebody, You're gonna lock somebody up because we
shouldn't give aid to Israel. That's the problem. There are
no good guys here, so the MAGA people that try
to defend this, it's it's absolutely ridiculous. We obviously need
something really independent. But that's my whole Trumpenstein project theory
is that this was designed to kill off an independent

(01:27:41):
political party. And then you can see he's in the
middle of everything and nothing will ever happen until he's gone,
because otherwise everybody, the people that hate him are going
to vote for Genghis Khan against him, and the people
that love him are going to vote for him no
matter what he does. He could be the you know,
he could be seen raping a twelve year old girl.
You can have video of that. Hey, you know it's
not a Democrat, you know, miss ell Obama or whatever.

(01:28:05):
So it's it's it's ridiculous. I don't think I'm ever
gonna vote again. I always say that, and then I,
you know, I stupidly trudged to the polls, usually.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
To break Tony. Tony kind of turned me onto something.
I mean, I was sure what happened a few months
ago when when uh, the child in chief took over again,
Like I never thought that would happen, the big orange monster,
you know, and and that really changed my perspective on
on voting. But you know, Tony was like, I have convert.

(01:28:36):
So sometimes I go to Tony for advice, not often
sometimes he's a very very busy man. So and and
and you know, Tony was like, you know what I'm I. Well,
he gave me some sound advice about this, which kind
of changed my perspective. I was gonna I was gonna divulge,
but I don't. I don't know if if if that
would be appropriate, but but Tony put it in perspective

(01:29:00):
for me, the whole, the whole voting thing. And this
is what I'm going to vote for someone for the
rest of my life. I'm going and I've never ever voted.
I voted one time before, one time in my life.
You know, I'm just as old as as Tony. We're
the same age. We're forty forty five years old, both
of us. But I and I just never subscribed it

(01:29:22):
to the process. And there's a lot of reasons for that.
And I know a lot of people will be sympathetic
here that that are listening, but I will never not
do it again. I will always vote for someone. And
at this point I hated voted for voting for the
lesser of two evils. But given where we are right now,
I think we need to we need to like strategize
and say, well, who can we take here, Well what

(01:29:45):
can we do better against and and maybe vote in
that direction instead of like sitting out all together. And
then now we're here and we're full full on authoritarian
mode in my opinion anyway, So go ahead, Tony, Sorry
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Are you guys getting a little feedback there on?

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
I wasn't. Are you getting feedback from me?

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
And make sure the chat's not getting any feedback If
there's any static coming across this will make sure that
I didn't need to do anything on the somebody cracking. Yeah,
it's static for some reason. I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
Don't know why this is happening anyway, but ahead, Tony,
take it over.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Let me let me see if I can adjust your
mic real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
Yeah, I think that, But I think Billy Ray it's
you know, I believe Oh yeah, Jackson T Barrett, Billy Rays,
the president of the Billy Ray Valentine Fan Club, says
that Billy b r V is all static and so
I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Is that's the That's the nicest thing he's ever said
about Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
Yeah, he's maybe he's hearing almostatic whatever you speak, I think,
but but I think it was. It's interesting you you've
been compared old Billy ready to become a voter. A
lot of people became compelled to become a voter because
of Trump, to vote for him. I think it's pretty
obvious in your case. You've you've you've been you're now
turned off to all Republicans. I would imagine most of

(01:31:13):
them because of Trump. And I think there's a lot
lot of people like that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
What's happening done, let's look at what I mean, how
many of these people that hated Trump and said all
sorts of things about Trump are now capitulate and bending
the knee and and actually like just saying whatever it
is that would put them in Trump's good graces. How
old these bubbles described to something like that, Yeah, I

(01:31:40):
supposed to say, oh, you know, you're not a bad die.
I mean, maybe I should vote for Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
I do hear static with Billy right now? You're you're right,
I think that that. But it just it's because uh,
you know again, this is this is the Republican party
is just as bad as a Democrat party. So when
the guy I said Democrat like a republic Democratic, they
got me saying it. But the you know, the the

(01:32:08):
idea again is that Trump took over a party kind
of but he didn't really because except for a handful
of Marjorie Taylor Greens, and we're not turning an instan
them Thomas Massey, people like that, Matt Gates, who's no
longer in Congress, there's only a handful of them. The
rest of them are not much different than the Republicans
that were in Congress. And George W. Bush was there

(01:32:30):
there there is this. This is and that's why I
say again, they're but they're so, they're so whenever Trump
bombs are on or bomb's any goes to war anywhere,
they're gonna be on board for that, just like they
were when Bush was president or Obama or anybody. And
whenever he says, hey, let's give police. You know, these
people want to defund the police, so you know, let's
let's let's give them more power, and they're always going

(01:32:52):
to support that. But whenever, I guarantee you if Trump
really followed through on out of his popular stuff, if
he suddenly said, you know what, remember when I said,
we have you know, we have troops in one hundred
and fifty countries around the world. We should bring them home.
If he if he tried to do that, the entire
Republican Party, except maybe for a handful of MAGA people,
maybe not even them, they would be They would be
against him one hundred percent. And if he tried to

(01:33:15):
if he if he really doesn't, you know, we need
to audit this Federal Reserve. We gotta do something about this.
This is this is crazy money. Again, the entire party
begins him. They only support him. Billy Ray because he's
he's just doing there. It's he's doing it in a
crazier way, in a more extreme way. But he's just
doing the kind of stuff that right wing Republicans would do.

(01:33:36):
Give the police more power, crack down on crime, bomb people,
you know, build up the national defense. Uh, you know,
he just mostly the intelligence ags he's hated him. I
haven't heard Trump bad mouth the intelligence as he's lately,
because again he's depending on them to keep you know,
maybe keep the lid on the Epstein list and everything.
So I don't think I really don't think Trump. I know,

(01:33:58):
you think Trump is so different and everybody is. I
think he's just a giant distraction. His personality is different.
And I, you know, I'm outside of DC. I don't
you know, of course, I'm not really going to see
it from here. I don't know what he's actually done
so far, and I suspect that most of it is
going to be smoke. I don't know if there's any
fire in there. I don't know what's actually going to
take place on the if he's saying all this stuff,

(01:34:20):
maybe he's technically federalized the police. I don't know, But
what will what will be what will happen. I don't know.
I don't think you're going to see videos of like
the military running through and cleaning up areas. I just
I don't But you know, I could be wrong, but
I think this is more he just wants to He
came up with something that he thinks will win over

(01:34:40):
maybe back some of his people, and it makes no sense.
And you know, maybe he I don't think he really
cared about donage because he's ignored it now, so I
doubt he was friendly to Big Balls. But this took
place after Big Balls was apparently, you know, carjacked or something.
I don't know, but I don't know that sense. But
that's kind of my long rambling responding to that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Well, I think crime is. I mean, it's bad all
across the United States and major cities. We have a
decaying infrastructure, and law and order itself is breaking down
because of the bureaucracies in between. It's the entropy, if
you will, don maybe that's a good word to look
at the American experiment of where we are right now

(01:35:22):
with just everything. I think it's an extension of how
hollow our institutions have become. But when I think of
places like d C. The first thing I think of,
It's not. I was just there, you know, a couple
of months ago, and I went and stayed at the
Willard Hotel next to the White House, so to fly out.

(01:35:43):
I was speaking at a conference in Virginia Central. Oh,
very very yeah. I stayed at the Willard, and I've
stayed there before when I was a soldier. But I
walked around d C for a little while, and I
would say that I, you know, unlike Baghdad or Mosul,
I wasn't worried about an ied or getting hit by
you know, sniper fire or you know, a car bomb

(01:36:04):
or something like that, although you know it is. It
is a dangerous place, but so is Chicago. And those
things those two cities have in common is they're absolutely
draconian on the individual being able to carry their own
firearm or protect themselves. A matter of fact, I remember,

(01:36:25):
you know, I drove into Chicago once. As I my
son lived in northern Illinois with his mother. I go
up to through Chicago sometimes and I remember driving through
my pickup one time and I go, oh, and that
just the cold sweat started to pour, and I'm like
I realized I had like three pistols with me, you know,
just because and you would and if you get caught,

(01:36:46):
you know, and you're in Chicago and you've got a
firearm and maybe it's not uh, you know, you don't
have your proper whatever concealed carry or whatever the hell
you got to have or trans transporting documents. You can
it in a lot of trouble. And it shouldn't be
that way. I think in those kind of cities the

(01:37:07):
answer is not, you know, the National Guard, and it
certainly not you know, more and more and more police.
There has to be I think a semblance of freedom
for the individual. And I think you know, even in
cities like in Texas where you've got the crimes a
bit lower and there's a little bit more stability, although

(01:37:28):
it's crazy everywhere. I mean there's mental illness is rampant,
and especially in these cities that are like out in
California where you've got you know, like the cities are
literally bankrupt. I mean they're like San Francisco's got a
massive problem of big businesses exiting because of their policies.
So you have, I mean, you're going to have a
lot of fallout from the economic conditions. I don't think

(01:37:51):
we've seen the last of militarizing, and they've been militarizing
the police for a very long time. I don't agree
with that, and that, you know, there's another aspect of
that is, you know a lot of these police forces
are sent over to Israel for training, which is I
think as a red flag too and because we're not

(01:38:12):
an occupied state, or at least that we're not supposed
to be. But I I have mixed feelings on you know,
when you talk about law and order, I definitely think,
you know, children ought to be able to play safely
where they are in their neighborhoods. I think that people
ought to be able to go to the store or
not to worry about, you know, getting carjacked or robbed

(01:38:32):
or something like that. But we have a I've said
this a long time. I think that the war on drugs,
whatever that is you mentioned earlier, people putting people in
jail for for plants and whatever they make in a
bathtub at a hotel, I don't I don't really care
about that. I care about I said, I want a

(01:38:52):
war on thugs, not a war on drugs. Like I
think there's people that are violent criminals and that's another
thing about you know, the immigration policy that we've seen
out of this administration has been disappointing because I don't
see where's the I would know, we would have the
video of raids on you know, MUS thirteen or compounds

(01:39:13):
or whatever these you know we have. There are sophisticated
criminal networks in this country with it are fueled by
substance and fueled by human trafficking. They are militarized. We
do not touch them. You know, there's a what's that movie?
Was it? Bill? You might know? It had Josh Brolin?

(01:39:34):
It was Ciccario. What was that one where he I
don't know if Billy's back yet, but.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
I'm here, can you me? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
You remember that movie that came out. I thinks like
twenty nineteen had Josh Brolin in it, and it's about,
you know, something happens over the border and I forget
the name of the I don't, but you said Ciccario,
and that Cicario I believe, and he just got I
mean they had like sophisticated hits and targets because and
they were hit back by the cartels. The these are
sophisticated entities. You don't really see that. But you do

(01:40:03):
see like the kids getting you know, uh, detained at
graduation or you know, people getting rated at Low's or something.
I'm like, I'm not really concerned with that. I'm concerned
with a real We.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
We had the bloods and the crips here for how
many years, the Hell's Angels people. I've yet to see
a video of any police because the police are scared
of them. They I mean they were there, they were
they would pee their pants if they got them in
altercation with any of those people. So all those excessive
cops gone wild videos, I've yet to see them go
wild on an actual criminal. It's always, you know, some

(01:40:38):
somebody in a wheelchair, some little kid or some you know,
fuddled motorists that you know had a had a you know,
you know, a break light that didn't work or something
like that. So that's again, I I admit, I'm I'm
probably more prejudice against the cops than I am a
as anybody else. So you know, you don'tant to hear
me talk about them because I am you know, I say,

(01:40:59):
damned the police. I would just find because I don't
think they serve any purpose like that, like the conspiracy
people say they're you know, one of the mottos in
the conspiracy world is never ever call the police, and
I definitely follow that credo because they don't do any good.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
So it's definitely. I mean, I come out of the
background of military police in the Army, and I didn't
do much policing because I was part of a combat unit,
so I mean very little like domestic stuff. But there
is a cult, like you go through that training and
go through that's a lot of MP's become cops. You know.
I never really wanted to do that. I'm after about

(01:41:36):
age twenty two, I'm like, I really this is not
for me. I'm I'm a lot more relaxed. I don't
understand like I'll let you go. Like if I pulled
somebody over for speeding, I'm like, just get this person safe,
you know, Like I just want to remind you you're
doing twenty over a it's no big deal. I didn't
enjoy any of that aspect of things. You know, I
don't enjoy didn't enjoy detaining people for things that I

(01:41:59):
didn't think. You know, it's like, just let them go.
I want to have the discretion. I'd be letting everyone
go for the most part, unless they were harming someone,
you know. That's why I think I'm for law and order.
But I also I think that the sheriff's departments need
to have a bigger role, mainly because sheriffs are elected
and their sort of their law enforcement generally throughout the

(01:42:20):
country and the counties is a lot different than say
the municipalities with the police departments that are run by
the mayor, which is just a lot different. There's a
different style. I think they're that policing has to be different,
and in a way that you know, the whole motto
of protect and serve that's been thrown out the window,
and you talk about don you stuck with the cops
gone wild, you know stuff. But I understand that's the

(01:42:44):
reason I'm not in law enforcement. I understand that I've
seen those type of people, you know, and I've served
with them. I understand their mentality. It's not it's not
my mentality, but I do do see that we do
have a breakdown at some level. But I think that
the militarization of DC or whatever they're doing in the

(01:43:05):
troops in California, all that I think is linked to
this show, like don's talked about. I think it's a
I think it's more press, it's more headlines. It's more
narrative than anything. It's not really about effect. It's about
changing the storyline.

Speaker 5 (01:43:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
I would I would hope that you are correct, but
I think it's more benign than that, to be honest
with you. A few things. You know, the states with
the highest crime rate right now is or cities is
Saint Louis, Missouri, and Memphis, Tennessee. Right, Why is he
not going in there? You know? And what do those

(01:43:42):
two states have in common? Right? They're red states. So
it's the blue states that he's waging war against, and
it's all one America. We need to remember this. If
it happens to us, it's going to happen to you.
You know that. That's that's We've been the saying this
in the alternative media for quite some time. Right, if

(01:44:03):
it happens to one of us, it's eventually going to
happen to all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
I listened to Alex Jones for a long chunk of
my life and remember him saying that over and over again.
He may not say that now, but he used to
say it before. You know, so that that's something to
look at. He's already got into LA he's threatening to
take over New York, you know. And and and people

(01:44:27):
like Don said earlier, they want to subscribe to these
things because one it's not them, and two they hate
the politics or they hate the way of life that
that these other cities carry out, you know, so they're like,
whatever you need to do to get rid of that,
you go ahead and do it. And and at that

(01:44:47):
point we need to start are we really you know,
are we really pro democracy or not? You know? What
is the United States becoming second Angry Tiger in the
chat says there is no lesser of two evils. There's
only evil. You go ahead and keep believing that. And

(01:45:10):
that's why we're in the situation that we are right now.
That's why we're and I used to I used to describe,
I used to subscribe to that all the time, that
there's only evil. And and to a degree, you're right,
But there are different levels of evil. Okay, there's a
kid stealing stuff in the street, or or Jeffrey Epstein

(01:45:33):
raping little girls. You pick, right what what what are you?
What are you gonna do? And right now, uh, or
whether the people like it or not. We would have
been a lot better off in fighting and and getting
our rights and trying to get our way in this
country if Donald Trump wasn't in power. The things that

(01:45:55):
have happened in the last eight months I've never seen
before ever, And the United States is being pulled out
of the world stage. Right, we'll be our And this
was going to happen anyway. Tony talks about it all
the time with a d dollarization and world reserve currency
and all of that. All that stuff is going away,
and we knew that. But what Donald Trump did is

(01:46:17):
he put a rocket launcher to these things boom, so
now we may live to see it. Before it would
have been a slow grind. And that's the difference. With
the slow grind, we give ourselves a better opportunity to
push back, a better opportunity to set our children up
to have a better life, or to be able to
push back against this stuff. So that's why we need

(01:46:41):
to choose our battle strategy wisely and not have a
blanket statement like, well, evil is evil, so it doesn't matter. No,
we have a problem, and I need people to start
realizing that we have a problem. And our kids are
going to feel it. Who knows what our kids' kids

(01:47:02):
are going are going to inherit. I want to be
able to set them up, and set your kids up,
and all of America up, to be able to fight
the battle on a different playing field, on a higher
playing field, and be able to defend themselves better than
what we're getting right now. We have a serious, massive,
massive problem. And if people don't snap out of it,

(01:47:27):
and a lot of people have, and I'm very happy
for those people. But if people don't snap out of it,
a sap. I don't know what to say. We're going
the way of the Salvador bou Kel already he has
unlimited options to run for the presidency. There is no limit.
He erased it, he did it. He says, I can

(01:47:49):
run for the presidency wherever, whenever I want. Bu Kelly
and El Salvador. Yes, our ally. Now that's the guy
that Donald Trump looks up to. Victor ORBN already did
this ten times over. That's the playbook. He keeps talking
about it. He keeps telling you, So that's why this
lesser of two evils thing is a thing. We need

(01:48:09):
to figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
He's that, But I think it depends on you know,
what you think is the lesser evil, because I mean
what Andrew Tiger says is just the you know, kind
of similar to what we hear all the time. Voting
for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
And the problem is that the people that support Trump,
they they believe he's the lesser too. If you mentioned
it before, a lot of them would support him even

(01:48:31):
if he was caught raping little kids because they think
the other side is worse. Right. So that's the problem
is that everybody believes that. But ultimately, I don't know
what is worser, who is worse or anything. I just
think Donald Trump is mostly a giant distraction. I'm mostly
mad at it that he has killed off any independent
political movement because the next politician that runs on the

(01:48:53):
original populist rhetoric that he used is going to be
laughed off the stage. They talk about our horrible trade deals,
they talk about bringing the true groups, stopping the senseless wars,
building the infrastructure. Uh, you know, they're they're gonna laugh
at them all. Who does that sound like Trump? You know?
I think that was what this was designed to So
I am just mad at that. I don't I think

(01:49:13):
this is all cosmetic because the people that there are
people out there that don't live in the inner cities,
so they don't have to worry about it regardless. And
I don't know what they envision there, but they just
want it. They just want law and order, they want crackdown,
and so they're okay with people, you know, more people
getting arrested for petty drug offenses or prostitution or whatever

(01:49:35):
whatever Tony mentioned earlier about this, you know, not carrying
guns there. I don't know, Tony. Maybe is this is
this Donald Trump's awkward way of trying to get people
get to conceal carry in d C. Maybe this is
all about a Second Amendment crew saying he wants to
put him in there. Maybe they'll harm all the people.
And what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
I think that that you're right on so many aspects
of this. Don is in Billy, right, I mean, you
have to the Billy is the the Thomas Paine of
America unplugged. He's trying to give us common sense and
always in the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, and
this is something that Billy's communicating. You talked about El
Salvador and bookel A, and there always is a threat

(01:50:17):
of the entrenchment of centralization of power and people. You know,
if you let things get bad enough, if you clowd
and piven the country hard enough, then people say, well,
you know, give me law and order. You know, you know,
give me the lockdowns. I'm afraid. You know, if you
inject enough fear, you know, there's you know, there's nothing,
there's something wrong with the border. We need the wall,

(01:50:39):
now you keep us in. I mean stuff like that.
I mean, if you beg for it, order ab ko,
then you get it right, order out of chaos. And
I think the bigger the the chaos, the bigger the order.
I happen to agree with Down though, on the sense
that this is a lame duck presidency at this point,
and I don't know what that entails for us, you know,

(01:51:02):
as far as the country is concerned socially, I don't
you know. There's going to be I think some issues
with the economy. It's why I've read this morning about
the fight between Donald Trump and Jerome Powell about lowering
interest rates and all that stuff that's going to entail
in the middle of US having still having massive fallout
from inflation. The debt to GDP ratio is almost at

(01:51:24):
one hundred and thirty percent, which were most economists believe
there's a tipping point. So I think a lot of
things on the horizon point uncertainty. I would. I do
think that you have to be wary of any sort
of lurching to the right. I just don't think that
this is how it's going to play out. I do,

(01:51:45):
And don't forget the election industry. Really, the election industry
counts on these elections to have every four years. I
mean they're going to start in two years, they'll start
running for the next thing it'll be. They'll already start
having debates and primaries and all sorts. It's like straw polls.
And I mean this is this isn't an industry, it's
a cottage industry. They have a huge, you know, market

(01:52:08):
share of all this stuff with with elections. So somebody goes,
what's that your vote counts? Your vote vote and vote often.
Uh yeah, Uh, your vote counts. I do think that
there's something there's something to all this.

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
And again, the the aspect of problem reaction solution is
overshadows all of this. We have to be very careful
what we.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
Asked for we were. We are headed down the road
of authoritarianism at one hundred miles per hour. This dude
decided to recklessly, uh start an economic war with the world.
Has no idea what he's doing with tariffs, right, he

(01:52:55):
has ice. He's giving them the biggest budget and uh,
you know, bigger government. Right, we thought it was the
party's small government. Even bigger government. He added three trillion
dollars to the deficit. He is kidnapping people off the
streets and throwing them in vains. You know, he said

(01:53:16):
he was going to take over Greenland and Canada. He
is capitulating to Vladimir Putin at every turn. I've never
seen anything like this anything, And and I think part
of the problem, and this goes over to the mainstream too,
is that they are acting like it is a status quo.
Everything is chill, everything is good, you know, no matter

(01:53:39):
his mental decline is crazy, no one, no one seems
to talk about that. Everybody wants to talk about Joe
Biden's mental decline still to this day here in the
alternative media, we need to do something. This isn't this
this is like urgent care. Right, you had a heart attack.
We need to do something. While the procedure may not

(01:54:01):
be ideal for all your health needs, we need to
save your life right now, right, So things need to happen.
And I'm sorry people aren't going to like this, but
it is what it is. You did not see Joe
Biden do any of this stuff, any of it, you know. So,

(01:54:22):
I mean when we start talking about, oh, what the
lesser to evil is, assure it's perception. But that's when
the Democrat arrangement syndrome kicks in, because what Donald Trump
is doing to this country might be irreparable, and he's
taking us away from being a democratic state. Literally, he's
trying to create a monarchy here. He wants to run

(01:54:43):
again in twenty twenty eight. Steve Bannon has said it
several times over. They're trying to steal the twenty twenty
six elections blatantly in front of your face. And no
one wants to talk about that, you know. So, I mean,
we can keep thinking that there isn't a lesser of
two evils. We could keep thinking that voting doesn't matter,

(01:55:06):
right because everything is rigged, right, And that's a part
of the American paranoia. I'm paranoid in a different way.
I am of the Cambridge Analyticals school. They're rigging your mind.
They don't need to rig these elections, they're rigging your mind.
I'll take my chances against Kamala Harris and Joe Biden

(01:55:27):
and push back against them than what this guy has
been able to pull off in eight in seven months?
Was it six seven months? But what's he been able
to pull off? Many of you said that Project twenty
twenty five wasn't even a thing, like oh, that's crazy,
you're nuts. Now it's being implemented and we're like, oh,
it's nothing, you know, it's it's nothing. So why was

(01:55:47):
I crazy for believing about it back then? You know?
And it's more than fifty percent accomplished. Right now, they
want to turn America into sectors run by CEOs, and
on top of that, they want to turn it into
a theocracy. We will be no better than the people

(01:56:10):
that we've been taught to hate in the Middle East.
That's what's happening here. And while and while while a
lot of you may subscribe to the things that are
going on because you're a Christian nationalist or you hate
the left so much that you want to see it done. Eventually,
they're coming for you. I feel like I'm screaming into

(01:56:30):
the wilderness sometimes, but they're coming for you.

Speaker 4 (01:56:35):
Well, I just I would argue first of all, that
I don't I don't know what Trump has actually done.
I think I think, I think you're reacting against I am.
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
Eat of all of this. There's footage of people in
the streets. There's there's footage of people of of of
the troops in Washington D Street in Washington, DC right now,
there's footage of them. They set up checkpoints and all
sorts of stuff over there. It's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
They've done that before. The Giuliani did that in New York.
I mean, those those are horrible right right what this
president's fort But my point is mostly you mentioned about
Greenland and Canada. What happened to that? Trump? That's just
that's Trumpetstein. He talks about something. It doesn't matter what
happened to uh uh the Canawall Canal what I guess

(01:57:23):
maybe he did. Did he really name it the Gulf
of America? I mean, it's stupid stuff, but he dreaked
all that he's like the Trumpetstein project. He's like a
little kid. He goes on to the next thing that
distracts him. Now he's distracted some with sposedly doing whatever
he's doing in DC. And I suspect that'll blow over
in a week two That this is truth. It's nothing

(01:57:43):
ever really happens to change other than the fact that
people and there's millions of people like you that are
just so incensed that anything he says and does and
and people. I I just I'm not moved either, roll by.
I'm disappointed at it because I just roll my eyes.
Oh here we go again. He's you know, he's but
he never ultimately does anything.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
With all due respect, I gotta go in the now
or anyway, you can have the rest of it. I
gotta go in a couple of minutes, with all due respect.
I see it. It happens out here. This is real
life to me, while it may not be real life
to you. I see the Ice agents out here, I
see it, right, I see the hate. I also see
the the Trump banners waving not too far away from here.

(01:58:25):
These are real things that are happening. Sure, he hasn't
executed on Canada and that's a good thing. We should
be happy about that. Sure, he hasn't gone after the
Panama Canal yet, he has three and a half years
to do this.

Speaker 5 (01:58:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
But a lot of things that that we were saying, Oh,
it's not gonna happen, it's not gonna happen, in particular
on immigration, it is happening. It has happened. And he
is fueling even more money forgiving student debt. Where's the
outrage on the right. Where's the outrage because when when
when Biden was trying to do it, Oh my god,

(01:58:59):
I'm not paying for your debt. But now he's forgiving
student debt to join ICE, to join ICE. What do
you think they're doing. They're building concentration camps. You think
that's not real. There's a concentration camp down in Florida,
Alligator Alcatras. That these are real things that happen. So
while some of these things will not be carried out.
And Trump just says a lot of nonsense. He's from

(01:59:20):
New York. He talks about like whatever. Plus he's losing
his mind. There are some things that they are actually doing,
they're actually carrying out. There's actual policy that is affecting
our pockets done. These tariffs are real, They're not faked. Also,
they're affecting our pockets.

Speaker 4 (01:59:35):
Gonna get worse and face flaming with tariffs the last
I mean, I don't trust anything. Didn't they do that
Tony where they claim the tariffs have now had a
sudden positive impact. I don't know how, but that's what
they blame lot of them. That's the latest, Yeah, if
they've even been implemented. That's the latest economic news that
they're claiming Trump's tariffs are finally having a positive effect.

(01:59:57):
I don't know how that could even be because we
don't have any domestic industry. But that's the last I heard.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Well, he also fired the head statistician right because they
didn't come out with the numbers that they wanted, so
he fired them. So he's gonna say they're gonna everything
is great. He says, the economy is great. He says that,
he says, everybody loves it. Everybody loves the tariffs. That's
that's why they want me to run again in twenty
twenty eight. This is what he's saying. This guy is
as unhinged, more unhinged than any other president I've seen

(02:00:24):
in my life, and I never voted for any of them.
I didn't subscribe to them. Why would I subscribe to
him who is ten levels above them in corruption? Well,
guy's a freaking mobster. You guys about Richard Nixon. The
connections between Richard Nixon and Donald Trump are incredible. Roger

(02:00:45):
Stone and Roy Combe intimately involved and what Richard Nixon did,
So there are a lot of parallels there that our
most disgraced president to Donald Trump. I mean, this is
what's going on. Listen. I can only come on and
give my peace about these things. If people want to
say that these things aren't happening, I can't. I can't
help you until they actually happen to you. And that's

(02:01:08):
what I'm trying to say. Things are actually happening. They
may not be happening in Greenwich, Connecticut, right, things may
be all nice in Greenwich, Connecticut, but eventually it'll get
there when this is a full on authoritarian state. We
are flirting with this, we're supposed to be. And one
more thing before I get shame on the freaking alternative media,

(02:01:30):
is shame on the truth movement. You've been trained for
this moment to see tyranny happen. You've been trained for it,
and now when it's here, you're apologizing for it. Oh no,
it's not happening. Oh no, it's fake. Oh no, it's this. Well,
I guess all of that crap that we learned with
Alex Jones was was complete nonsense, right, I mean, most

(02:01:51):
of it was. But this it's here. Tyranny's here, the
new world Daughder is here. And what are you doing?
Where are my gun rights people? We need guns in
order to protect against the tierrany, to protect against the government.
I'm not saying that you should go out there and
do anything with those guns. I don't own the gun, right,
I'm not anti gun, but I don't know. I don't
want to have anything to do with them. Right, But

(02:02:14):
what the hell are you? You're sitting back, picking your
asses and cleaning your guns while tyranny is taking place.
The Truth movement largely ninety nine percent of it was nonsense.
We've all been conned. We need to recognize that and
move forward.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
Tony, love you, love you brother, Thanks for being Anderson.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
Good to see you, buddy.

Speaker 5 (02:02:33):
Oh hey, Billy, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 (02:02:35):
How you doing? Hey?

Speaker 5 (02:02:36):
You had me have more guns?

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:02:41):
It's like stepping into the city halls, raising.

Speaker 1 (02:02:43):
My hands like yeah, yes, Billy, see Billy, I'm trying
to get out of here.

Speaker 2 (02:02:50):
Trust me, got your brother, mister Anders. Let me see
if I can edit your mike a little bit. We
got Do you have your regular mic? Or where are
you right now? You're deep within the Earth surface, somewhere
outside of Taiwan and a different time zone and different
parallel universe.

Speaker 5 (02:03:12):
Yeah, that same parallel universe.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
Okay, well the sound you sound good?

Speaker 5 (02:03:16):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (02:03:19):
All right?

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
Uh well Donald, do you want to stick around? Mister
Anderson's here and where we're going to talk about a
little bit of news in the space program and but
the things around that.

Speaker 4 (02:03:32):
If you want me to, I just got to go
right back. I'll be right back, okay if you want
me too, sure.

Speaker 2 (02:03:37):
Yeah, love love for you too if you if you want.

Speaker 4 (02:03:39):
To stick around, Okay, you're right back.

Speaker 2 (02:03:43):
Well, thanks for being here, mister Anderson. I appreciate you
doing this last minute. I was looking at stories yesterday
for my show and I didn't get to it, but
I'd covered this a week before. I want to pull
this up first. Let me get to this one more.
I sent you yesterday. But there's been a there's some

(02:04:04):
weird movement in the space programs, and of course the
the Moon is another target for building something again. But
this is what they always throw out. I wanted to
get your take on how much of this was actually real.

(02:04:24):
I don't know if I buy any of it anymore.
That's if I can find the article. It's uh, it's
been one of those.

Speaker 5 (02:04:34):
Yeah. One of one of the articles had a concept
drawing and it showed some structures and they look like
the monolith.

Speaker 2 (02:04:46):
That's what I was thinking. Let me find it. Hold on,
I may have to email it to myself. Well, you've
got the article there, but the one I sent you
from Natural News is the what I wanted to lead with.
I do not to email it to myself. It's funny.
It got must have gotten taken down or something. So

(02:05:07):
it is. It's an article that talked about putting a
nuclear reactor on the Moon, and I've read this last
week on my show, but they've accelerated the program, and
I wanted to get your take on that is you know,
a man a man of science that you are, sir, Well, it.

Speaker 5 (02:05:30):
Looked it looked like they were taking proposals for the idea,
and it all ties into the Artemis mission to go
back to the Moon, which I guess was accelerated by
the fact that the China's going India, you know, a
lot of other countries. So one of the problems I

(02:05:50):
think with generating energy on the Moon, if you're going
to create a base, is it's difficult to use solar
energy because one lunar day shakes out to be about
four weeks on Earth, so there would be extended periods
of time where you didn't have any light. So that's
where this concept of using you know, nuclear reactors, and

(02:06:14):
they're not even that big, I think, in hindsights, relatively small.
I was reading that on shore wind turned Biden to
generate you know, somewhere to two to three megawatts, and
this was beneath that, But it seems like more than
anything else, it's kind of a land grab because if
you start creating these areas that have nuclear reactors, you

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can create perimeters that are like keep out zones. So
I've got bad use for them because years ago I
bought an acre on the Moon. I have my certificate.
Try to go there. I'm gonna I'm gonna march up
to DC show them the idol. But yeah, I see that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
You pulled it up.

Speaker 2 (02:06:56):
Now, yeah, I was able to get it. It's NASA
elerates the moon based plans with one hundred kilowa nuclear
reactor to outpace China, and everybody's gonna be screaming in
the chat.

Speaker 1 (02:07:09):
We don't know what about.

Speaker 2 (02:07:11):
I'm like, there's a square I know, and I'm I'm
let me do the article first, where this was the
the purpose of bringing mister Anderson on, who is possibly
one of the smartest people I've ever known in my

(02:07:31):
entire life. And as a background in let's just say
the sciences ladies and gen somebody I trust to. When
I see something like a theoretical algorithm, something complicated, I'm like, hey,
what is that? Because I don't know. He knows and
uh it's yeah, it's holl He makes his living in

(02:07:54):
another dimension. Thank you for jumping timelines too. I appreciate
that that's tough.

Speaker 5 (02:07:58):
For him to do and to put this into perspective.
So you mentioned the title of the article one hundred kilowatts,
so kill a watt would be tinto the third power.
When I was talking about megawatts, that's ten to the six.
So again, on shore wind turbines generate ten to three megawatts,
so this isn't a whole lot of energy. But I

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think it has to do with setting up perimeters and
grabbing some land and not being last to the race,
which I don't even understand. When I conceptualize this in
my head us being the first ones to land on
the Moon in sixty nine, it's like running a marathon
where the last quarter mile you decide to walk until
everyone catches up, Like, why would you ever do that?

(02:08:44):
I know, it makes no sense, and you know, having
to bum rides with Russia to the International Space Station
and it's all crazy to me. I don't understand the
motivation for just taking such a relaxed position the last
few decades with this.

Speaker 2 (02:09:07):
Well that's that's the question, you know. And if you
go and you like, if you go in program and
look into AI and you asked AI about why haven't
we been back to the moon? If you've ever really
done that and said, you know, it will give you
kind of the same conversations that you and I have, like, well,
it makes makes no sense actually that we haven't that

(02:09:29):
we went so many times from nineteen sixty nine to
nineteen seventy two. December SEVENTI was last time we went.
And I've said often. I got to spend an afternoon
with Gene Cernan, the last man to walk on the Moon,
and had some interesting conversation with him back and forth.
He is a really nice man. I met another one
of the Apollo astronauts through my friendship with Congressman Ralph Hall.

(02:09:54):
I was always interested in the Apollo missions, and you know,
that was you know, the this was twenty fourteen that
I was meeting with these gentlemen, and you fast forward
all this, you know again, eleven years later, we still
haven't gone back to them. We always say we're going
to It's always, you know, like the next year, or

(02:10:16):
the next race, or the next thing and that next project.
So I'm bringing this up because it's another flurry of
headlines that come I think in the wake of the Epstein,
you know, debacle of why are we still talking about
Epstein when people really wanted to talk about Epstein? And

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this is part of the crescendo of that. It may
not be related, but I happen to think that it is.
But the key points of this that they're floating. So
this is twenty twenty five for August fifteenth, twenty twenty five.
So we can always go back and reference this, because
you know they've said these similar timelines over and over
and over again. This is NASA plans to establish a

(02:10:59):
permit at Moon based by deploying one hundred kilowatt nuclear
reactor by twenty thirty, accelerating its Artemis program. The lunar
South Pole Rich and Water Ice is the target for
fuel production, live support, and future Mars missions, with the
US aiming to beat China there. Nuclear energy is critical
due to Moon's long nights, making solar power unreliable. The

(02:11:21):
reactor would be assembled on site to avoid launching radioactive material. Well,
I mean, it's sounds interesting, it's and you're saying, you know,
it's it's not a it's not a lot of power,
but it'd be enough, right, and of course you got
to haul it up there. It's kind of you know,

(02:11:45):
if you're a betting man. Uh don Jeffries, do you
see the nuclear reactor on the Moon in twenty thirty.

Speaker 4 (02:11:54):
I don't know that anything's on the Moon, towny. You
know what you know, I've had I've had a couple
of times, and the guys who do the Ostrop's gone wild.
So I'm very dubious anybody out there is on the
fence about it. I would suggest they read the Late
Great Day in mcgallan's Wagging the Moondoggie series, which I
think he just you know, just technology doesn't go backwards.
And that's what we have to believe here, that that

(02:12:16):
we could do something in nineteen sixty nine that we
can't do now. And they tell you they can't do
it now. They claim they lost the technology, just like
they lost the original Apollo video of the you, I mean,
the most important video probably taken in the history of
the world. I don't know what happened to it. It lost it.
You must have erased it with the Super Bowl or something.
I mean, what happened with that? And so I think

(02:12:38):
that people NASA, just like everything else. Now we know
NASA was founded largely by Operation paper Clip and Werner
von Braun, you know, and people it originally and you
had the Apollo I can't remember what number it was,
but Gus Grissom was supposed to be originally the first

(02:13:00):
man to walk on the Moon. He was the senior
member of the Apollo program, Virgil gus Chrism and he
was on the launch pad with two of the astronauts
and they burned to death very suspiciously. And he had
been a critic, you know, he hung a lemon on
one of the rockets and said, you know, this is
a lemon. We're never going to get to the moon.
This is a joke. And that's what he's saying privately.

(02:13:22):
And then a decades later, Fox News, of all people,
had a very interesting documentary called We Never Went to
the Moon or something like that, or conspiracy theory something,
and they interviewed his widow and his son, and apparently
they for years they had been talking openly saying NASA
killed him. Now you talk about a news story whatever
sixty minutes, I mean, whether it's true or not, that's

(02:13:45):
an incredible allegation. So I'm very dubious of all this.
I think that you know this for the space station,
you guys mentioned that. I mean, the space station has
never approached space. It's nowhere near. So why they call
it the space station, I don't know. It's not in space.
It's not like the Justice League up there where it's
some kind of cool thing. Up there, it's it's and

(02:14:05):
when a few years ago when the space when uh
it it came within the I don't know, not that
close to the Van Allen radiation belts, they had panicked
and they pulled back and oh, you know this should
this could create terrible damage to the asterids. Well, we
supposedly went through the Van Allen radiation belts what six
times or whatever on the way to the Moon back then,

(02:14:28):
So how do we do it then? And if you
have been as I have, I live in the Washington,
DC suburbs, so I've been to the Smithsonian. I think
they have where you can actually walk in the ridiculous little,
you know, contraption that they claim went to the Moon.
And it's subtle, unimpressive looking. I mean it literally has
I think it's something like four inches of aluminum foil

(02:14:52):
and that's what supposedly protected them from the radiation and
the space rocks and all that stuff. I don't know,
maybe there's some really strong aluminum foil and the illuminifoil
live use my stuff in space. So yeah, I find
it hard to be And then if you want to know,
like for instance, it got so ridiculous to the end
I think the last when they had the moon buggy

(02:15:13):
up there. When they so they have people like McGowan
that asked them, well, wait a minute, you've accounted for
every supposedly every pound that's on that spacecraft, you know.
So I don't know how they factored in the moon
rocks that they would bring back. Did they somehow know
exactly what they would weigh? I don't know, but that's
what they supposedly did. But when they had that moon boggy,
you know, you know, running or you're driving run, some
critics you know, later asked, well, wait a minute, how

(02:15:36):
did you fit that in there? That's a pretty big contraction.
What did that fit? They actually said, oh, oh well
it folded up, you know, like on the Jensons. So
they claim they had a vehicle that folded up like
George Jefson had when he went to work. So my
question would be, okay, we had that technology in nineteen
seventy three, what happened to it? Why aren't we all

(02:15:58):
walking around with suitcase cars and you know, folding him
up and talking about would that be great in terms
of parking? Won't happen to that technology? But nobody asked
us it's like everything else, and people want to believe,
and it was a it's a patriotic thing. You know,
we went to the moon and oh, you're just poo pooing.
You're trying to you know, pooh pooh the accomplishment side

(02:16:18):
of the same. It doesn't work like that. Like Dave
McAllan asked before he died, very suspiciously and very young,
you know, he said, you know, okay, when the fiftieth
anniversary came, hasn't already coming gone? You know, people people
bo We went to the moon fifty years ago. The
space age was the nineteen sixties, so by going by

(02:16:40):
the arc of technology, we should have had man missions
to Mars and Venus at least by now. And I
think that's what the original goal was back in the day. Instead,
we have to be satisfied for you know, the other
day they ran some more pictures of Mars and they
said something like, Mars looks amazingly like the deserts. He does.

Speaker 2 (02:17:05):
That's why I bring this up, as you know, they're
floating and this was the This wasn't the only headline.
Let me pull up another one. This was something else
that was floated just within about forty eight hours of
the story of the nuclear reactor on the Moon. You
put this, this is zero headge.

Speaker 5 (02:17:23):
Well, I was gonna comment on one thing too, Tony.
I mean that point is a good point, and it's
often brought up, which is looks like innovation has been
stifled the last few decades, and it has. I mean,
just look recently this past year. If you take the
fraction of people who still work at NASA presently who

(02:17:43):
did in twenty twenty four, it's gone down by like
twenty percent. I mean, like I said, we've been you know,
bumming uber rides to the space station from Russia for years.
I mean, you can't have innovation if you don't if
you don't financially support people to do basic research. And
there was a really good documentary I saw, I think

(02:18:03):
it was two thousand and eight. It was called The
Atom Smashers, and it highlighted the things that people who
worked at Fermi Lab were going through. So Fermi Lab
was named after Enrico Fermi, who was one of the
big players during the Manhattan Project, and he was a
renowned physicist. And so there was a particle accelerator called
Fermi Lab on the outskirts of Chicago, and so this

(02:18:26):
documentary was just about them pushing back against the politics
where each and every year their money for basic research
was reduced. And at the end of the documentary they
were saying, I guess we're going to move to Switzerland
because nobody in America wants to pay for this. And
in Texas this was experience firsthand. You know where cern

(02:18:47):
is that was supposed to be in Texas until a
bunch of the Texas politicians. So I used go and
generated Piney black Hole and stuck up the world. It's like,
now it's just going to do that in Switzerland. When
you want to have some fun and generate some revenue,
do scigens beforehand. It's but this is across the board
a problem, and I'm sorry, I just wanted to interject.

Speaker 2 (02:19:08):
I love that. It's it's both, you know, like we
where would you say, mister Anderson. We've had the increase
in technology. I mean obviously in some of the uh,
you know, software and some of the computational things that
we have today, imaging, we've definitely had leaps in that,

(02:19:30):
but other things have stifled.

Speaker 5 (02:19:32):
Oh yeah, absolutely, but stifling happens. I mean look at
the break between Einstein and Newtonian classical mechanics. That was
that was a long time before Einstein came along and said, no,
your theories and gravity are mostly right, but they're a
little wrong in these cases, but overall it's true. I mean,

(02:19:53):
where has there been ground made up? I mean there's
a law called Moore's law, which really isn't a law,
it's more of a observation that seems to be held true,
which is, you know, every one and a half years,
the computational power doubles, so we've gotten better at fabricating
smaller and smaller things, or the building blocks of computers
transistors and putting them closer together. And you know, after

(02:20:18):
the first Ruby laser was invented that there's been a
lot of ground and technological advancements powered by the laser ride.
And right now there's a big uptick in quantum computing
and things like that. And I won't go into the
reasons why, but we haven't seen like anything that's that's crazy.

(02:20:38):
I mean, if you look at people who've received the
Nobel Prize in recent years, it's for work on different
material It's like there was a there was one for
the development of this material called gallium nitride and why
is that important. Well, it's because that's what makes white
LEDs or white and air quotes LEDs.

Speaker 4 (02:20:57):
They have this.

Speaker 5 (02:20:58):
Material gallium nitride that amidst blue light and then they
put a phosphor coding on top of it. And what
that phosphor coding does is it partially absorbs the blue
light and then amidst yellow light, and then you mix
them together and you kind of get a whitish lyde. So,
I mean, if you look at what people are getting
Nobel prizes for, it's not it's not relativity. But here's

(02:21:19):
a little little known fact Einstein didn't get a Nobel
Prize for special relativity is the photo electric effect. But
you don't see these types of things right now, but
that happens. I mean, if you just challenge yourself to
look at historically when some of the huge advancements were,
they're always kind of spaced out. But my point is

(02:21:44):
we as a country are no longer funding it. There's
no initiative to fund basic science research. And in that documentary,
you know of politicians were visiting formula asking the scientists,
well why is this important? And the scientists responses, I
can't tell you now, but i'll tell you ten years
from now why it was important. But we're not investing
in that way.

Speaker 2 (02:22:06):
Well it's a good point, and that's the mystery that
surrounds all of this. I mean, and you and I
have had many conversations and we've done some paratruthers on
By the way, if you like the line of logic
for mister Anderson, you can find him on the Paratruther
podcast anywhere Podcasts serves. He's my co host over there,

(02:22:27):
and we've had some great episodes where we really go
into he's got a science background, but we go into
the metaphysical and the esoteric and other things. And I
just hang a question mark over I'm fascinated with the
Space program, the history of that, how much of it
was real, how much of it was faked? And like

(02:22:49):
I was mentioning earlier, if you interface and you actually
talk to AI and you feed it scenarios, it comes
back with like there is no logical explanation for why
we didn't go back to the moon. It because all
the arguments are false, Like we didn't have the money,
Well that's not true. We spent trillions and trillions and

(02:23:10):
trillions of dollars looking for people in caves, supposedly, you know, overturning,
defiling civilizations, and you know, the warfare welfare state is
bigger than it's ever been. We're you know, the debt
of the US I just read earlier today in nineteen
seventy one was three hundred and seventy billion. We'd already
supposedly gone to the moon many times. The dead of

(02:23:33):
the US now is thirty seven trillion. So I don't
buy any of that. The arguments their fall flat. The
other explanations are things like we did go and we
were told not to go back. We found structures there,
something happened, you know. And those who believe that nothing
is real and that the Earth is a pancake, and

(02:23:56):
you know that we're everything is a holographic projection. Governments
aren't really all the things that the nuclear weapons aren't really.
All that stuff that you get into is Yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:24:07):
I just love that. You remember that interview with excuse me,
buzz Aldrin. He's like on some morning show and he
just goes off on a tangent. He's talking about the
moon on Mars one, of the Moon's Phobos.

Speaker 1 (02:24:19):
He's like, yeah, because we got to go there.

Speaker 5 (02:24:22):
See what that's about that man, Get him off the air.

Speaker 2 (02:24:26):
Get him off the air. Yeah, yeah, that's true. And
every once in a while the funny any thing about that?
And and Don has interviewed Bart Sebrel, which is a
fascinating interview. I think, Don, you've had bart On twice.
I think that those are great shows. We need to
rerun those or have Bart back on again soon. He's

(02:24:49):
a great guest because he's he went around just trying
to get Apollo Astronaus to swear on the Bible that
they walked on and I don't Buzz hit on. That
was the guy. Yeah, buzz hit him and nobody else
from what I understand, did anybody else swear? I don't
think that.

Speaker 4 (02:25:09):
I don't think anybody they had. I think it was
was it Agar Mitchell was the one where he uh
he was he fooled him at first, and then when
he realized what he was at, he uh he kicked
him in the butt, like he literally kicked him out
of the house. And then when he was somehow is
recording with the words, so he heard his son say
we should get the CIA to whack him or something.
This fascinating stuff, you know, and and buzz, I mean

(02:25:32):
Barton has talked in I think it was moon Man.
It's the name of his book that he that he
put out. But he describes being chased by you know,
I don't know, presumably government agents or shadowy figures and uh,
very very interesting stuff. But he's he's but he may
be too big for me now. I think he was
on Joe Rogan and uh, he's he's climbed up the ladder. Now,

(02:25:54):
I don't know if he they will acknowledge my existence.
He worshing well to check on the Yeah, he he's
fascinating guy. But I think we need to be dubious
of everything because and you know that this is why
you have such a huge flat Earth movement and things
like that now that Tony was alluding to, because it's
really a short jump from you know, NASA faked all
this to space itself is fake. I mean, that's it's not.

(02:26:17):
Once you established in your mind that well they lied
about all this definitely, then you know there's no question
about it, and you know they probably it looks like
at least Gus Grismond's family thinks they killed him because
of it, and there was a family. You know, I
was again, I was a pathfinder in this. I heard
about a book called We Never Went to the Moon
by wild Bill Casing back in the eighties. I think

(02:26:39):
he wrote it, and he, you know, he talked about
there was a guy that testified before Congress that about
you know, the impossibility of what they were trying to do,
and how this is you know, this could be dangerous.
They couldn't get what they were doing. It doesn't didn't
seem possible to him, and he ended up his entire
family was found dead in their car in the railroad tracks.

(02:27:01):
They got run over by train after he testified. So,
you know, we see the same kind of things there
that we see in so many other political things. But
I don't know'd be interesting. I've looked over in your chat,
and you know, some people seemed to I would imagine
most of the most of the conspiracy world probably things

(02:27:21):
that we didn't go to the movie. And like Tony,
he was a huge Apollo fan. You know, I knew,
I mean I knew all the astronauts names, and I remember
being crushed is for someone James Lovell, who just died.
I think it was ninety seven. He was, you know,
like it was like in sports, I had to pick
a favorite astronoum some reason, I liked him the best.
So I remember being crushed when he was the commander
of Apollo thirteen that you know, they could they you know,

(02:27:44):
they had to turn back. And again that was one
of the things they talked about. How how did they
factor in that? How did they factor in something like
an emergency situation like that with that technology where everything
worked perfectly and they could turn around and abort the
landing and everything. So it's it's there's a lot of
questions to ask, but the main thing is that, like
Dave mcgallan said, will people question if the hundredth anniversary

(02:28:07):
comes and we still have them back to the moon?
Well they because they didn't question it on the fiftieth.
I mean, it just it doesn't work that way. Would
be like if the Right brothers, you know, flew their
did their little experiment and there was there was a
few flights in the nineteen tens and then that was it.
Never again. You have to question these things. So I
think that but as mister Andersher was saying that they

(02:28:30):
don't even talk about this anymore. And I think they
don't talk about it because they know they can't do it,
or they won't do it or whatever, because it obviously
makes sense. I mean, if they if we're overcrowded here
and all that you know we talked about if you
read back and you know, things written decades ago, they
talked they dreamed about having you know, colonies on the
Moon or colonies on Mars before now, and obviously that's

(02:28:53):
not the case. Instead we have, you know, pictures of
what looks like a desert that they claim as Mars,
and they suppose, you know, we have the Hubble telescope,
you know that that can you know, give us these
great vistas of the Milky Way and you know galaxies
far away a great detail. But somehow they can't point
out of the moon, point out in the moon and

(02:29:16):
just get a crustal clear close up the landing site.
But haven't done it so far.

Speaker 5 (02:29:23):
Yeah, It's it's interesting because people often break into two
factions of you know, we either went or it was faked.
By Stanley Kubrick and two thousand and one of Space
Odyssey was kind of his his primer for doing that
and I've always been like Devil's advocate. If I was
in the same position and have the ability to dictate things,

(02:29:44):
I would try to do both. I might just swing
the astronauts around the Moon and then have Stanley film
some stuff. I would kind of hedge my bets. So
I really I don't know what happened. I mean, some
of the I guess, and I'm putting this in quotes.
More convincing reason to believe that we actually walked on
the Moon is there is a reflector there that there's

(02:30:06):
a big observatory in Hawaii and they'll shoot out a
laser ever so often to monitor how far back the
Moon is receding from us, because it's getting a little
further away, so orbit is elongating each year. And so
that's kind of convincing. But it's not many photons meaning
particles a light you get back. It's just a couple.
So is it a reflector or is it something on

(02:30:29):
the Moon itself that is a region they found? I
really don't know, but it is awfully suspicious. We haven't
gone back. I mean, maybe what gave us the motivation
to do so the first time was the Soviets. And
now you know, China has been landing rovers there. I
remember they one of their rovers had a picture of
the Mystery Hut because there's all this chatter about whether

(02:30:52):
or not they're structures on the far side of the moon.
And as Tony said, if we were told months to
go back, I don't know, but just doesn't make a
lot of sense that you would achieve something that you know,
is one of the biggest achievements in human history. And
to just say, oh, we're done with that, it's kind
of like cloning with Dolly in ninety six. It's like, oh,

(02:31:13):
we cloned the sheep. Yeah, we're done with cloning now.

Speaker 4 (02:31:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:31:21):
Tax and t Barrett and the chat is yelling at
me to read the chat.

Speaker 4 (02:31:26):
He says, he's yelling at me a little now too.

Speaker 2 (02:31:30):
He's yelling at me to read the chat. And he's
talking about the secret Space program, which is another aspect
to all of this, which would make sense, you know,
and you could get into the Catherine Austin fits funnelings
of that. She you know, when she worked in the
first Bush administration, I think she was part of commerce
where you know there was or was she housing in

(02:31:50):
urban developed She was in something like that wasn't she done?
She was, I think monitor a lot of the great
deal of the funds and you know, whether there was
money redirected or whatever. That's a part of us going
off the gold standard too, where there is not an
accounting of anything, so they can just make stuff out
of thin air. A lot of that, you know, while

(02:32:11):
having still having the perception that the money is real,
so they can use it for things. They may have
built a lot of a breakaway government, breakaway civilization, could
have been any of those things. So I'm open to it.
And this is the other story I wanted to to
bring up.

Speaker 5 (02:32:27):
Yeah, good segue. Maybe other rich people now can go
up and outer space like Elysium.

Speaker 2 (02:32:32):
That's why I was just about to say, like, this
is the other story that was on the heels of
that nuclear reactor. This is by the this is on
zero Hedge, but from the Epoch Times. President Donald Trump
signs an executive order on August thirteenth to erase regulations
for the commercial space industry and enhance American greatness in space.

(02:32:57):
The order directs Transportation secret Terry Sean Duffy to work
on streamlining the license and permitting process for commercial launch
and re entry vehicles to eliminate outdated, redundant, or overly
restrictive rules. According to the White House, this is ensuring
that the United States operators can effectively launch, conduct missions

(02:33:18):
in space and re enter the United States airspace. It's
critical to economic growth, national security, and accomplishing federal space objectives.
They have one hundred and twenty days to implement this,
and this is this is a big move in the
the realm of space. Some people think that it's faking game.

(02:33:41):
According to the chat, I know I'm getting yelled at.
I'm sure I'm getting yelled at in the chat for
not being.

Speaker 5 (02:33:45):
I can't see the chat. What are they yelling?

Speaker 2 (02:33:48):
You don't want to know. They don't like us.

Speaker 5 (02:33:53):
Join the club.

Speaker 2 (02:33:56):
It's okay, but no, I think so these are these
are interesting headlines and it's a good way to close
out the third hour on the day to night show
on a Friday. I don't know if i'd pick, you know,
just not a NET regular news day. But there's a
lot happening. I think this is part of whatever, you know,
the institutional changeover that happens at the end of I

(02:34:17):
think I've said the words forth turning about fifty times today,
so those who are sick of me already, But you know,
every eighty years you had that change. Last one was
World War two. The end of World War two, you
had the introduction of the atomic bomb that some people
don't think is real. And you know, you had the
Bretton Woods Agreement and the new economic world order that happen.

(02:34:38):
Those institutions are falling apart, what you would call the
liberal new World Order and all that stuff. It's being
reshuffled on the Grand chessboard. Space seems to be part
of this equation, and I'm fascinated with the questions of
what happened to us, you know, fascinated with the questions
of the of the space program, whether it's a secret

(02:34:58):
one or not, whether we went to the Moon, didn't go.
I don't know. It's interesting to see these headlines in
this timeline though. That's why I brought mister Anderson on.

Speaker 5 (02:35:14):
Well, well, speaking of timelines, can I throw something at
you and don I'm curious about your thoughts on it.

Speaker 2 (02:35:20):
J Hold, I'm going to move out of the way.

Speaker 4 (02:35:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:35:25):
Have y all been keeping up any with the Red
Heifers and the Third Temple construction over in Israel.

Speaker 2 (02:35:33):
You know, let's go over that. Where do you have
a link you can send me? You know what you
keep you you explained it, I'll find the story.

Speaker 5 (02:35:42):
Don have you heard anything about that? It's the most
bizarre thing apparently, you know, if you read numbers nineteen
in the Bible, it talks about the sacrifice of a
perfect red heifer, which is a perfect red cow like
no blemishes. It couldn't work to be a real lazy cow.
And that's kind of how they ushered in the temple,

(02:36:03):
and so they use the ashes to annoint themselves. But anyways,
there's a temple institute and they've been purchasing red heifers,
or they did a few years back from a rancher
in Texas, and they also purchased some land. And there's
a lot of commotion now because in July they did
a practice ritual sacrifice, not the real one. According to

(02:36:27):
Jewish tradition, there's only been nine perfect red halfer sacrifices
through the span of the First and Second Temples, and
the tenth is supposed to be the final one that
ushers in the coming of the Messiah the Third Temple.
But they're gearing up for it. And what drives me
crazy is like the rancher who's providing the red heifers
says he's an evangelical Christian. And actually, Mike Johnson was

(02:36:50):
reached recently in the West Bank a couple of weeks ago,
and he was in the same area at the same
time Shiloh that has these five red heifers. And I've
heard Pete Hegseeth talk about the construction of the Third
Temple everybody, and I'm like, how as an evangelical Christian
can you usher in the Third Temple? I mean, did
you not read the New Testament from beginning to end?

(02:37:13):
But it all cuts back into these people are pre
millennial dispensationalists. They think if they force the construction of
the Third Temple that they're going to be whisked up
into the sky before the bad stuff happens. And it's
that whole apple pie ready to die meet Jesus in
the sky sort of why that that we always talk about, Tony,

(02:37:34):
And it just it made me so furious. But they're
all supporting it, and our government supporting it, and it
just got my the you know, the cranks of my
brain going. I go, is this why gap Gaza Gaza happened.
Were they just trying to push out a bunch of
Muslims to get them off the temple mount so they
can rebuild the temple And it seems like that's what
they're doing. So I don't know. It seems like things

(02:37:56):
are heating up, so to say, with the construction of
the Third Temple, and I just would love Yell's thoughts
on it. Well.

Speaker 2 (02:38:03):
As soon as you mentioned that, I looked over and
I saw how many people were watching live, and it
was six hundred and sixty six. So congratulations, we crossed
that boundary of six hundred six people watching live. We
were ushered in this conversation. I think you're right though,
and I think it actually this ties in well with
our previous talk about space program and the greatness of

(02:38:28):
what was the American nation. I think we've been hijacked
politically by the psychopaths of people that are They may
have degrees, they may have a so called educations, but
these are these people. These are some brainwashed, psychopathic individuals

(02:38:49):
who have climbed the ladder of power and believe some
insane things and actually try You talk about Mike Johnson
and like the you know, the Christians Ionism movement is insane,
it's bloodthirsty, it is I think, devoid of Christian values.
I mean it's it's it's idol worship. If you look

(02:39:10):
at you know, John Hagy's church down in San Antonio,
people like flying Israeli flags inside the church. I mean,
it's just like the whole they're raised on debt is
a foreign nation state that was born in nineteen forty seven.
That is their whole purpose. And they think that's the
America's purpose. And when I was you know, I was
raised in the South and went to church there that

(02:39:32):
that's that's what I was told that my purpose was
to support this foreign nation state, which I think is
a complete hijacking, ambastardization of what the New Testament is,
about what Christ is and everything else, and it becomes
politicized and gross. And now we have I think you
mentioned this, mister Anderson, with the fascination with the Third

(02:39:58):
Temple and what were you telling me that we were
talking about the wall. There is not even really the.

Speaker 5 (02:40:04):
The wal Trump cares about is not the wall cares
about the Ford Antonio Wall. I mean, as Christians, they
will go there and visit the wall, and I was like,
did you not listen to what Jesus said? Jesus said,
not one stone will be left on another. Looks like
a couple of stones are left on top of each
other here, but they don't care. And so I'm a Christian,
but I reject creature of rapture. And it was popular

(02:40:29):
popularized by that series when I was younger, the Left
Behind series and everything, and I just think it's completely irresponsible.
And it was popularized, as you and don know, by
someone named John Darby. You want to know who attended
John Darby's church as a young man, Auster Crowley. He
attracted good people in his church. And then Cyrus Schofield,

(02:40:52):
a guy who's a chad who went to jail for fraud.
And this is because dispensationalism. I mean, it's just commentary
on the Bible. It's nothing that Jesus said, it's nothing
that's prophetic, and Daniel, they're just assuming it. Everything I
read in the Bible says otherwise. But it just, yeah,

(02:41:12):
it really drives me nuts coming down. So I apologize
for Oh I saw that and couldn't believe it.

Speaker 4 (02:41:19):
Well, that's fantastic, you know, more than I did. I
didn't know about Alistair Crowning going there. But that's I
understand talking about the influence of the Schofield Bible. And
I was raised Catholic and I still consider myself a
nominal Catholic. And you know there's stuff about the raptures
for it. I mean I first started selling, you know, dispensationalism.

(02:41:39):
I first started seeing this in the nineteen seventies, what
people we used to call Jesus freaks and that they
would suddenly discover Jesus and born again, say I became
born againns and this. I don't know how many Christians
are left in America that aren't that aren't influenced by
this evangelical stuff. And I think that's why the popularity

(02:42:00):
of Israel, because if you take away the Christians, I
am an element who have convinced themselves that it's to
go to criticize Israels, to go against God. So if
you you know, and that's what they believe so any
and they want World War three, it's it's you know,
it's hard to find peace. And when you have people
that want it, they think it fulfills biblical prophecies that

(02:42:23):
you have to have an army again in the last
days and all the stuff they think is going to
happen by reading the Book of Revelation and get. For
Catholics like me, it's like, you know, this is all
foreign to me, and I think it's foreign to any
traditional Christian. But all that we're talking about Schofield and
Darby and all that, that's not much more than a
century old probably, So where was that more then? So
every Christian that lived with more of that did not,

(02:42:45):
you know, did not had no idea that, let alone
a belief in it. And I would like to know
how many Christians you would have in America if you
didn't have the evangelicals. I'm not very many. They have
taken over Christianity, especially see with preachers like Hagy and
people Tony mentioned and all the that's all the evangelical movie.

(02:43:08):
You don't have any any people that are non evangelicals
that are talking on TV, that have flocks and get
a lot of money and all all this really unbiblical
stuff to make you know, the joel Ostein's and people
like that that make sinful amounts of money and uh,
he goes very much against uh biblical teaching, and uh,
it's it's a shame. But the Christian Zionists are in

(02:43:31):
many ways more dangerous, you know than people in Israel
that that support this stuff because they enable it to happen.
And uh, we've I guess I've kind of gone into
a diatribe, one of my typical diatribes against Israel. But uh,
you know, not many people criticize them. Again, the Trump
administration you're looking at. You mentioned Mike Johnson and people

(02:43:52):
like that. That's you know, any Christians that are in
the Trump administration are gonna be they Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:44:00):
Has Trump ever said Jesus is Lord? I challenge someone
to find that. I tried to. He will talk about God.
I pray to God. Well, that's who is your God.
I don't know, but I've never heard him say anything
about Jesus Lord. I think he said one time, Jesus
is more popular than me, or something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:44:22):
A rare moment of humility moment I want.

Speaker 4 (02:44:26):
I think it was Milania. I think did Milania recite
that the Lord's prayer once in public, which which I
thought was pretty cool. I mean, I don't forget what
the context was, but I don't remember any other public
official ever doing that where she recited to her father
and I thought, wow, that's I don't know what it meant,
but I thought that was interesting.

Speaker 5 (02:44:46):
Yeah, And I'm not trying to attack Trump's convictions. I
really don't know what he believes. I'm just saying in general,
what we're doing politically and what we're supporting. It makes
no sense to me. And it's so difficult to reason
with Evangelical Christians because I was kind of brought up
that one. I was brought up Baptist, you know, fire
and brimstone at church camp, things like that. They just

(02:45:09):
can't get rid of it. They can't kick it out
of their mind, saying no, like, reinterpret this and understand.
I know we've been groomed a certain way and believe
or brought up to believe in this pretrie of rapture,
but I don't think it happens, and it doesn't make
any sense. Look what happened to Jesus. Listen to what
Jesus said, A servant isnt above his master. Look what

(02:45:31):
happened to the apostles and his disciples? Okay, every one
of them? You think because you put fifty dollars in
the collection play, you've reserved a better end result for yourself,
like you're going to bypass all the bad things. And
when you look at this new story like this, this Rancher,
they're willfully and knowingly trying to usher it in, and

(02:45:55):
then you think you're just gonna be whisked uped into
the sky. Makes no sense. It's completely dangerous and it's blasphemous.
There's no need for sacrifices. After Jesus he said it
is finished. And I know I'm being very very Christian
right now. You know, I know David's Christian too, and
I'm not trying to go off on like a religious tangent.
But it really bothers me because you know, Tony, when

(02:46:17):
you sent me those stories about space, we know ideas
of what they've had for mass deceptions, right, and one
of them, you know, Reagan discuss about what would bring
all the countries together more than anything else in that
sistential crisis, right, And so's first.

Speaker 4 (02:46:36):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:46:36):
I've always thought that can be part of the great deception.
So when we're talking about the building something like a
space force, and we're always being bombarded with, oh, this
asteroid is going to get really close to us pretty soon, right,
And so it's like they're building the narrative up and
then to the side of that, you see what's going

(02:46:57):
on actually in Israel with regard to Temple Mount and
these red huffers and purchasing the land and practicing the ceremony.
It just, you know, gets my gets me perped up
a little bit. It seems like something's ready, and.

Speaker 2 (02:47:18):
I think it's good. I think it's good that it does,
and we need to have those conversations. And this is
what's wrong. I mean, we've got there's the surface level,
there's the press release, there's what's there you're supposed to believe,
and then there's what's actually going on. I mean, you
you dig deep enough and you'll find some disturbing facts
about the you know, the political establishment, the ruling class,

(02:47:39):
whatever they believe in. It's not what you believe in.
And you've got to be careful what you support is that.
You know, I've said from the beginning of this war
in Gaza and the genocide and everything that's going on,
I'm like, you got you gotta wash your hand. You've
got to step away from this. You don't want this
harmically on you. You know, as a Christian, as some
you know, we're supposed to, uh, you know, reflexively support

(02:48:01):
whatever you know, post nine to eleven, and I said,
you've got to keep yourself distance from this thing because
there's some evil in there. And that's you know again,
that's the danger of where we've been in the last
ninety days. You know, I talked about it in the
first hour and Trump tweeting or sending out the message

(02:48:22):
for the people of Tehran to evacuate. Can we ever,
I can't think of a parallel of another president even
coming close to doing anything like that. So, you know,
I think Billy would agree with me. That's the first
that's the first U.

Speaker 5 (02:48:38):
And people said, well, at least he gave them advanced warning.
And I was like, have you looked at how many
people are in that city they're supposed to evacuate? How
are they supposed to evacuate all of them?

Speaker 2 (02:48:49):
It makes no sense too. And then like tweeting out
unconditional surrender and all this stuff. I mean, it's we've
you know, you just have to be careful what what
you believe in, what you what you support, and other
things they're not or not of what if you follow Christ.
If you're a Christian, if you follow that, uh, the

(02:49:10):
tenets of that, you know, you got to ask yourself,
is this in line with what Christ would do? I
just I don't see it. You can't convince me of it.
Otherwise there's a lot of mix in there. I think
of the occult and other things that we have to
be careful of that it isn't It isn't our faith,
isn't our cradle faith.

Speaker 4 (02:49:30):
Yeah, I think that you know, this is it springs
up a lot of interesting points. But I think when
we look at the I and I really I think
that because we know the people, that this is a
spiritual battle. And you know, I'm sure you guys can
both appreciate this and most of your audience, and I'm
a Christian, I'm I have great faith, and I think
this is a spiritual battle, and we know the people

(02:49:52):
that that are in charge are obviously no no fans
of Jesus, and I believe they're inspired by the dark force,
and yet they tolerate this Christianity. But the Christianity they
tolerate is this kind of you know, insipid zionis Christianity
which is inspired by all these things that I think
are false and dangerous and definitely lead to the support

(02:50:17):
of Zionist Israel. And I think that's why they're tolerated.
And you know, the Catholic Church used to have a
lot more power in America. You don't see what was
that guy's name. There was a guy when I was young,
he even into a young adulthood. Catholic League of Decency
was the Catholic League of Decency had a lot of
power in this country. I don't think they exist anymore.

(02:50:38):
And that guy that was their figure has been long one.
He used to be talking, he used to be on
TV a lot and he but you don't have any
Catholics to do that now. You used to have Catholic
priests leading pro life marches. You don't see any pro
life marches. And I why don't you see any Christians
marching to counter act the transgender agenda, those transgender rallies.

(02:51:00):
I'm still waiting for the first pastor or priest to
leave their flock against them. They just I don't know
what they exist for. I really don't. You have the
evangelicals that exist to make money for these super preachers,
and they're very consumed with money. That's why. You know,
my favorite Biblical verse is uh the warm where Jesus
himself says it's easier for camel to go through the

(02:51:20):
eye of a needle and needle than I met Richmond
under the Kingdom of Heaven. And I've never met a
question who didn't go apoplectic when they there was a
little all the stuff, they try to justify it because
they obviously we all want to be wealthy, so this
that hits kids to the core. Especially. You know one

(02:51:42):
of these talent televisioned joical preachers, I mean that are
multi millionaires. Obviously they can't say that without choking that verse.
But it's you know, it's it's it's about money to
these people, and it's it's about Israel. And that's why
Zionism is so powerful in this country. They pro going
back to Pat Robertson. You know, Pat Robertson had a

(02:52:03):
lot of stuff about the New World Order, but he
stayed away from Israel. There's a whole lot of people
like that. They just completely ignore that aspect of it.
And you're seeing more and morbid now, and I don't
know what's going to happen because there is no Christianity
really that at this point that has any power that
is not either in the Evangelical camp or what's left

(02:52:24):
of the Catholic Church or Episcopalians. You know, I get
the sense that none of those groups have that much
power anymore. Maybe I'm wrong. How don't you guys think.

Speaker 5 (02:52:34):
Yeah, they do have a lot of power. Tony knows this.
But if there's a pastor I like online, he's he
discussed his French topics, Like an example would be, you
know Jesus was dead for three days? Where did he go? Yes, yeh,
where did he go? And he told the thief on
the cross, I tell you the truth. Today He'll be

(02:52:55):
with me in paradise. And you know that this pastor
in particular talks about him going down the showler Hell
before it's unjudged unjudged Hell, or the Bosom of Abraham
it's sometimes called, and rounding people up. And so he
touches on these French topics that never get discussed at
least where I was brought up. But I even wrote
him one time saying, you know, Peter says to be

(02:53:18):
very careful when you're a teacher, that you can lead
people astray, And I always remind myself of that, even
when I'm giving my opinion to friends or family. But
I said, you're absolutely wrong about a pre millennial or
pre trip rapture. And he felt the need I upset
him so much. He's like, most of the time during

(02:53:38):
his sermon, I get nice letters. Ninety percent of them
are great and inspire me and motivate me, he goes,
But it's the ten percent. Just got a big letter
from Texas the other day and he called me ignorant,
and it just made me laugh. But that's the position.
They won't even you can't even entice them with history.

(02:54:00):
You know, you can't talk about the Balfour Declaration, said,
what's going on here? Like I was raised to believe
the reason Israel was established was because of the atrocities
that happened during World War Two, But no, the motion
wasn't planned well before then. In nineteen seventeen. It was
a deal that England made right with the ross Childs,
like get American involved and we'll give you some land. Yes, right,

(02:54:22):
and that's what happened. But they even see that and
it's like, now, think of everything that's associated with the
ross Childs. It's not good it's not to inspire convict
people to become better Christians. Right, they're the antithesis of that,
but they still discount it and they won't acknowledge it.
It just falls on deaf ears. And this happens to

(02:54:42):
me all the time. But I like that he called
me ignorant. He's really upset him.

Speaker 2 (02:54:50):
No, you're so right about that. And a lot of
people like history is a pack of lies agreed upon unfortunately,
where you have people thinking that, you know, the Lusitania
got us into World War One. No, it was post
Balfour Declaration. That's that was the zimmer the year of
the Zimmerman Telegram, and you know that was the that

(02:55:11):
was the thing that pushed us into World War One.
And the Lusitania was brought up after the fact, that
was May of nineteen fifteen, and was you know, resurrected
again because if you remember, in nineteen sixteen, Woodrow Wilson
ran on the slogan he kept us out of war,
and that's the first thing he did as soon as

(02:55:31):
he was sworn back in, and he's just ready to
get us into it. And Balfour Declaration had a lot
to do with that, and the Zimmerman Telegram, which was
the German consulate supposedly telegramming the Mexican consul that, hey,
if you've just joined us in the fight against America,
you'll get the territories back. And you know that was
an antagonistic and supposedly the consulate had ties to the

(02:55:53):
House of Rothschild, so all kinds of interesting history. In
the last three minutes of the David Knight Show, I
thank both of you, gentlemen. Thank you mister Anderson. I
know you're very busy schedule. He wasn't even scheduled to do
any shows or podcasts and I hit him up last
minute and did come on. So thank you for being here, sir.

Speaker 5 (02:56:14):
Well it's always a pleasure talking with you and don
so thank y'all for having me. Sorry for all the
wild tangin stun.

Speaker 2 (02:56:25):
And you can find mister Anderson's work on Paratruther go
to Anywhere podcast or Found, or you can go to
my website Tony dot Gold and you can find Paratruther
podcasts and links to Paratruther. And we're going to be
working on some soon upcoming episodes with mister Anderson. And

(02:56:46):
then I have the legendary Donald Jeffrey, thanks for staying
a second hour. Don I appreciate you my pleasure.

Speaker 4 (02:56:52):
It's great to be able to talk to the great
six hundred and sixty six plus strong audience. Herer it's
gritton and I was looking in the chat room and
seeing some some familiar names, but it's lots more who
listen later on you know today on I Protest at
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(02:57:12):
Tony produces that show. And I think we'll be back
on YouTube. Tony, I don't know. I'm not sure if
I think I was only one week, so I may
be on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (02:57:20):
I'll definitely put you on my YouTube done, so you
definitely be over there, so okay. But I followed at
Tony Rderburn on YouTube too.

Speaker 4 (02:57:29):
Yeah, so it's hopefully be there. But yeah, and people
follow me on substack Donald Jeffers at substack dot com.
It's the only place I got shadow bit and appreciate
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Speaker 2 (02:57:40):
The same here. Love David, miss him and hope to
see him back here soon. He keeps me a sharp broadcaster,
of course, Travis does. It keeps me on my toes too.
I talked to Travis every Thursday, but I need David
Backer on an atrophy. I mean, I got I got
to have that man's He challenges me to what you've

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