Fri Episode #2148: Black Friday 2025 Best Of Rebroadcast

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Joining us now is g Edward Griffin, a real giant
in the liberty movement. He's done so many monumental works.
Of course, everybody knows Creature from Jackal Island, but we
want to also talked to him today about his book
A World Without Cancer, because I think that's a message
that is people are ready to hear after what we've
been through for the last four years. But we've now

(00:26):
seen I think, really a convergence in medical, financial, and
political because it's being swallowed up by the political stuff.
But great to have Geo Griffin on. Thank you so
much for joining us.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Sir, well, it's my pleasure, thanks for inviting me.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
And I want to talk also about the Red Pill
Expo that's going to be coming up in just a
couple of weeks as well, so give you a chance
to talk about that and what's happening with that. But
your work is very well known by a lot of people,
and we're going to try to get into maybe the
medical aspect of this is maybe not as well known
as a federal reserve. But we do want to talk
about the financial stuff that's very important right now. But

(01:01):
I think it'd be good for us to talk about
your biography. How did you get into doing documentaries and
books and especially in terms of going against the grain
of conventional wisdom. Tell us a little bit about your background.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, it's a long background, of course, considering my age,
and it's probably not very interesting. It's rather boring. Actually, yeah,
you're correct. We've covered some ground and made some amazing
touch points along the way, but I think it's only

(01:39):
because we've been at it for so long. My life
has been pretty much normal in the sense by normal,
I'm almost afraid or embarrassed to say normal, because unfortunately
what is normal out there in the world today is
not particularly attractive.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
An abnormal world. A normal person in an abnormal world.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, well, I mean it's not unusual, I guess I
should say in that I would start out in one
direction and be confronted by some impossible barrier or setback
or tragedy, and it would be life changing for me
and very very uncomfortable, very painful, very very frightening. But

(02:27):
in retrospect, as the time goes by, I find out
that that was the best thing that ever happened to me,
because it forced me to do a right turn or
change my direction. Substantially, And even though it was painful
and I had to abandon my original plans and expectations,
I found out that it was a better direction than

(02:50):
the one I was on originally. And this my life
is full of that. And some of those those tragedies
along the way were very serious illnesses too. I was
still very young, in my early thirties, and I had
a wife and a couple of kids to support. And
I had a collapse, and I had two doctors tell

(03:11):
me I had multiple sclerosis. That was. I didn't really
know for sure what that was. I knew it was bad,
but when I looked it up in the encyclopedia, I decided, oh, man,
this is a bad way to go out the door.
And I thought I was dying, of course, but it
was a misdiagnosis. I had exhausted myself. I had it rather.

(03:35):
I thought I was carrying the world on my shoulders.
I thought I had to save the world all by myself,
and so I was not getting a lot of sleep.
I was a young guy. Of course, I was doing
a lot of traveling, making presentations, training sessions, all that
kind of thing. So I would go from one town
to the next and drive a good portion of the
day to get there, get there and be taken out

(03:57):
to dinner and then put on an evening presentation and
then meeted somebody's house afterwards. And and what.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
The presentations were you doing? Was this political?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
These were these were recruiting. These were recruiting meetings. I
was at that time. I was a coordinator for the
John Birch Society. I know that scares a lot of
people that think that's a wacko organization, but no, not me.
Well good anyway, Uh they're very to me, They're very,
very calm and very not wacko at all. Of course

(04:28):
they have some wackos in there, but the percentage of
wackos and the brid Society I thought was smaller than
the percentage outside of the British society everywhere. Yeah, yeah,
that was the safest place to be. But anyway, that's
what I was doing. And uh so I was drinking.
You know, everybody would want to buy me some wine

(04:50):
and we'd drink wine and talk about life and the
world events and so forth. And then I get to
bed late at night or early in the morning, get
in the morning and drive and do that over and
over again. I came back and I was planning some
trees in my front yard and I just froze up.
I became paralyzed. And I think a long story short,

(05:11):
I had just exhausted my physical strength, malnutrition, toxic elements
in my body, not enough sleep, and a bad metal attitude,
always filled with anxiety, and you know, all the bad things.
And I didn't realized. I didn't think I had to

(05:32):
worry about that because I was young, right, Young people
don't get sick, so anyway, they diagnosed it as multiple sclerosis.
It turned out not to be that. Once I got
off of my routine and started to find out what
this world was all about in terms of nutrition and
rest and avoiding toxic things in your body and in

(05:55):
your environment and so forth, I recovered rather rapidly. In retrospect,
it was very good because I learned how to live,
and I probably wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't
learned that lesson early in my life. At the same time,
I was really pretty well stuck in bed, and I
didn't know I could write. I had gone to school,

(06:18):
I had learned, I had learned about communications, I would
stage plays. I was an actor. A little child actor.
You can imagine anything worse than that. I did a
lot of day.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I can imagine it being a lot worse today.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, I don't know, it was pretty bad. I was
right in the middle of that. And you know, I
was in Detroit and we did radio in those days.
And you know a lot of shows came out of
Detroit at the Ford Theater and the Hermit's Cave, and
we had a Saturday show was the same as Let's
Pretend and we covered anyway. I did a lot of

(06:55):
radio stuff, so and I went to school and took
more of the same. Television was just coming online in
those days, so I was taking courses in television and
radio communications.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Let me ask a question quick your radio I guess
that was live radio performance. Oh yeah, that's really interesting.
St I love listening to the live things like that.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I worked my way through college as a radio announcer
for WUOM, which was the university radio station at the
University of Michigan.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
And you know all of that.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
So I was into that. So when I got sick,
I thought, well, I'm not going to be able to
make a living. I couldn't get out of bed for
the most part had to practically crawl from one room
to the other. And so I got this call from
a publisher and he said, ed, I understand you've been
giving speeches on the United Nations and they're very well received.

(07:51):
Would you like to write a book for us on
that topic. We want to publish a book, and we
think you could do it. And of course, at that
time I had never written anything, and that was not
my I did not identify as an author, identified as
a communicator on television or radio or something like that.

(08:11):
And my dream was to go to Hollywood and become
a great Hollywood producer in motion pictures. So when this
guy called me and said, how would you like to
write a book? That was the last thing I felt
I was capable or interested in doing. But I thought
instantly about wowity, he's offering me some money.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
And here I am in bed.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I can't do anything else to support my family and
we're running out of money. And so I found myself saying, oh, yeah,
no problem, Yeah, sure I could do that.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
That kind of situation as well. You know, God puts
us in a position where you got one way out,
and that's it. Something that you would have chosen to do.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, So I just use that as an example. So
I took on the commitment and I started to do
my hard research. I had done a lot out of
it already, but I knew that in a book you
had to document everything. It wasn't just you could say, well,
I know this, and I know that. So I did
research the last about probably two or three months of
putting all the documents together, and then the day came

(09:14):
when it was time to write. And it was kind
of like looking at an old movie where you've everybody's
seen those scenes where the author has to write something
and he's on a typewriter and he types a few
lines and he pulls the paper out, crushes it and
throws it on the floor, and that's no good, and
then this is no good. I went through that in spades.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy wright.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Write something. I was using a pencil. We didn't have
computers in those days, and I couldn't type. So I
was writing things out and I tear it up and
throw it out just I couldn't. How ca I can't write,
I can't write, Give me a microphone. So then there's
the point and the end of this. So finally I said,
I'm just going to write. Mary had a little lamb.

(10:00):
I started to write things out, and the first thing,
you know, I had this idea, I can't write this
because how do you how do you approach a topic
so huge as this is my book on the United Nations?
My first book. It's called The Fearful Master A Second
look at the United Nations? So I wrote down, how
can you write about something like this? It's like a

(10:22):
huge globe made of glass, so large that you couldn't
grasp it in its entirety and you couldn't hold it.
How do you write a book? It's like having to
move a mountain? How do you move a mountain? And
then I found myself writing, well, you dig? And then
this is my first spade, and I looked at it.

(10:45):
I said, well, that's kind of clever. And the first thing,
you know, I extended that and the next few pages
came pretty fast, and by the time I got the
page seven, it was roaring along. I found out I
wound up. I looked in the in the wall at
the wall. My gosh, I can write, and I'm having
fun doing it. So I use that as an example,

(11:06):
I wouldn't be here talking to you today if I
hadn't had this illness and that event that forced me
forced me to make a right turn in my where
I thought was my career path. And at that time
I didn't think I was going to live anyway. But
so it forced me to make a change that affected
my whole life. I hope for the better.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's a great story. We've had so many people when
they lost they would face of the decision take the
shot or lose your job. And I've talked to so
many people who had that crisis. It's like, what do
I do. I've trained all my life for this. I
don't have any other alternative, but I'm not going to
take that shot. And to a man that has been,
a woman that has been, every person I've talked to

(11:47):
about that, it's been a wonderful turning point for them.
And so I think your life lesson, as well as
a lot of other people, that's a real important life lesson.
I think, well, then it is.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
And that's why I said it's in a way, I'm
very normal because what I just said, although it's dramatic
for me, it was dramatic. Everybody goes through those crises.
I think maybe they don't think about it as having
made a big change. And I suppose not every change
in the direction is that dramatic, but most of them,

(12:17):
or many of them are important ones are. So with
that as a background, I started off in one direction.
All of a sudden, I'm writing, and I decided I
wanted to go off on my own. I decided I
wanted to do I wanted to reach out to a
lot of people, and I wanted to use my skills

(12:38):
that I had acquired in communications. So I decided to
produce some very low budget documentary films on important issues.
And the first attempt was to write something on a
documentary film on money and inflation, and that, of course
that led me blikely to the topic of the Federal

(12:58):
Reserve system. And I'm off and running now, And I
had no idea how much voltage was in the wire
that I was about to grab hold of on that one. Yeah,
if I had, if I had even an inkling of
how deep that topic goes, and how how broad it is,

(13:19):
how many things it covers, and how profound, profoundly important
it is to our lives, our liberty, our lifestyle, everything
I would never have tackled it because it was far
beyond my reach. I'm the last person in the world
to write about things like that. I'm a kid that

(13:41):
was a child actor, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
And well, that makes a question, how did you you're
working with the before we started writing, and before you
wrote that book on the u N, you were also
lecturing about UN and other things like that. How did
you get into working for the John Bird Society or
how did you begin to be skeptical about what the
UN's purposes and agenda were.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well, that's another story, is similar to the one I
just mentioned. I was working for a large corporation. I
was in the corporate world. I had found out the
hard way that Hollywood wasn't waiting for me. I had
gone there and I was, you know, wanted to make

(14:24):
my splash. I wanted to get a job with some
production company, and I was looking for the grand opening
and it wasn't happening. And I looked around realistically, and
I saw that all these young people there, the guys
and gals, had talent superior to mine, really, and they
were bussing tables and washing cars, waiting for the big

(14:47):
chance in Hollywood. And then I began to get a
sense of the corruption that is in Hollywood and the
lifestyle and all of the evil things that were there
that I didn't like at all. And it became clear
that if you, if you didn't tolerate those things, or
if you didn't participate in those things, your chances of

(15:08):
getting that big break were pretty small. So I quit
all that and I went to work for a large
insurance company and I got a job in an underwriting
department of preparing group insurance plans for corporations and that
kind of thing. So that's what I was doing when
I decided to start speaking out on topics. And the

(15:29):
reason I made that change is that I don't know
who it was, but somebody handed me or sent me
a little blue pamphlet called The Truth about the United Nations.
I think that was the title. I thought, the United Nations. Well,
I'd gone to school, I've been to the university. I
knew all about the United Nations. It was wonderful. It

(15:49):
was our last best hope for peace, they told me,
and I thought it was true, and so I was
very much in favor of the UN and as a means.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Of avoiding war, and about what year was that That was.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Nineteen sixty maybe nineteen fifty nine. Probably that pamphlet was
in nineteen fifty nine. Anyway, so I read the pamphlet
and I was incensed by it. I thought, well, this
is ridiculous. I know better, but it sort of the
things it said were hard for me to believe that

(16:27):
these people were lying. That's how naive, you know, you
come out of school. How naive can you be to
think that your teachers would be lying, or the people
who would write books might even be lying.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
It's hard for us to believe that about other people.
We want to believe the best of them, and we
want to think that they're like us, you know, and
so we always overestimate their morals, and we underestimate their technology,
don't we.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
We certainly do, yeah, And of course we're trained to
do that. I went to the public school system, and
that was I found out later one of its primary
objectives is to create that attitude in the mind to
the students. So they had succeeded, and I found it.
I was very highly indignant over this pamphlet written by
a college professor. No less, you'd expect he would know better, right,

(17:11):
So anyway, one day I went down to the library
in downtown Los Angeles. There was only a few blocks
from where our corporate office was, and I had some
time in my hands that day, so I decided to
just drop into the library. Now, I had never thought
i'd go into a library again after I got out
of school, because I thought that was where you punish

(17:31):
people for doing bad things.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
And very way.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I went into the International department. I wanted to check
out a few books on the topic of the United
Nations and in particular these wars, these peacekeeping operations as
they called them, and to see if I could learn
more about it and prove that this college professor had,
you know, was wrong. So I checked out a few books,

(17:57):
and even though they were all written from the friend perspective,
they were all friends of the UN. Many of them
were either employees or former employees, or they had positions
professional positions which depended on their being friendly. A lot
of some of them were academics, and academics I discovered

(18:18):
would never dare go against the UN anyway. So I
read those books and I recognized that they were biased,
and so that was that was the beginning of it.
And reading their own works and some of them were
quite frank by the way I learned about the war
in Katanga, Patrici lu Mumba and the war on Katanga

(18:41):
and affric was really an eye opener for me. In fact,
that's how I opened my book on the United Nations.
It was with that section on what happened Katanga. Basically
what happened is that there was a communist revolution in
the Congo with Katanga province of the and the so

(19:04):
called colonial powers just left. There was betrayal I think
at the highest levels in the government. I think it
was Belgium, and they just withdrew their troops and all
their law enforcement facilities and just gave the Congo over
to the communist revolutionaries. And that was hard to believe,
but there was an evidence. And so when the troops

(19:26):
went out, there was mass slaughter going on and it
looked like it might be racial, but it was not.
It was economic. It was getting the colonialists out. That
was the word they use the capitalists. Get the capitalists
out and get the socialist in power again. So Congo
went into total chaos, blood blood all over the place,

(19:47):
and production stopped, the economy crash. People were starving, people
were robbing each other. It was it was total chaos.
I fear we're in America going to get somewhat like
see some of that, ourselves will make that step toward
total collectivism or socialism. Anyway, that's what happened, and so
the UN came a long a said well, look at

(20:08):
this chaos. We've got to put put an end to that.
And they were said, yes, yes, that's what you're for.
And we're the peacekeepers, right, yes, okay. Well the peacekeepers
went in and there were multiple provinces in the Congo
and they were all in total blood drenched chaos except one.
The one shining exception was Katanga was headed by Moischambai

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and Moischambie had been to some universities in London and
had come to America and he understood the principles of
free enterprise capitalism and he was standing firm and his
province was like it had always been, and chaos was
all around them. So where did the UN send the
peacekeepers there?

Speaker 1 (20:57):
There?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
It didn't It didn't send him any place else where.
The Kaos, well, they sent them where the chaos was not,
and they literally overthrew the Katanga province and put into
chaos also, and well, when I saw that it documented
so clearly, and in many cases by the employees and
officers of the U N itself, where they bragged about

(21:19):
doing that in their own words. And when I saw that,
that changed my life, because it was a red pill,
you might say that I saw a life the way
it really was. And in one book by the the
I think it was an Irish general from Ireland, I
can't think it his name anyway, a big thick book
on how how wonderful he was in the Congo doing

(21:42):
all these things on behalf of international cooperation and peace
and so forth. And he he's time and again said well,
you know, when this issue came up, we lied in
the press conferences as all bureaucrats do, and he was
sort of like, well that's the way it is, folks.
I'm glad you're reading my book. Now you know how

(22:04):
it works. So I Connor O'Brien, that was his name,
General O'Brien, and I realized that these people actually boast
about some of the crimes they commit. And that was
my changing point right there. And so my first interest
was the United Nations, and I did some research on it,

(22:25):
but I took that pamphlet that I talked about a
moment ago, and then my own independent research and added
to it, and that's what became the basis for my
book for the Fearful Master.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
That's great, wonderful title as well.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
You talked about that comes from a quotation attributed to
George Washington. I could never find an official source for it,
but everybody seemed to agree that it came from him,
and he said, government is not Let's see if I
get this straight. Government is not wisdom, It is not
benevolence is force like fire. It is a dangerous servant

(23:07):
and a fearful master.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
That's great. Yeah, whoever wrote that, if washing it, Yeah,
they nailed it. So it's absolutely true. Now, you were
with the John Bird Society. You were talking about how
they like to paint portray butchers as crazy, and I
guess a big part of that. I think a big
part of that war against the John Birch Society was
coming from William F. Buckley. Talk a little bit about

(23:32):
that or was he the point man publicly or was
there you know other things that we're having.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, I don't think Buckley was a point man at all.
That's an interesting observation. Buckley did did come out publicly
against the Birch Society, and the militant left left wingers
attacked the Birch Society vehemently. They called it, you know, fascist, Nazis, extremists,

(24:00):
anti Semites, wackos, you know, in any of those things,
and they just kept repeating it and repeating it, and
a lot of people believed it because they read about
it in their newspaper, and of course it was none
of those things, but that didn't make any difference. The
perception is the important thing. But Buckley was not from

(24:21):
the radical left. There were a few people like Buckley
that also jumped on the bandwagon from what people considered
to be the right wing. Of course, we could talk
about the impropriety of thinking there's a difference between right
and left later, but I learned that the hard way too,
that the right wing and the left wing are merely
two wings on the same ugly bird called collectivism. Anyway,

(24:48):
that was I hadn't learned that yet. So anyway, Buckley
was one of those guys who was associated with the
so called right wing, but they believed pretty much the
same thing, and they were they would attack any serious
challenge to collectivism, which is what they believed in.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, he's a big establishment. I remember I was thinking
that I was trying to get polar oppositees.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
You.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I'd read National Review and I'd read The Nation. When
I was in college, I'd read these and kind of
try to figure out what's going on. I didn't want
to read time in newsweeks. I want to get these
opposing views and everything. But then I eventually found out
they were also very much alike in many ways extremes
that I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
You know. So, yeah, what's the what's the supposing business business?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
People, people have to learn that lesson. Yet they still think,
especially as we are living right now through a period
of great political intensity, they really think that the political
parties are going to be their salvation. It's just a
question who are.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
You going to vote for?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
And it is the most important election of our lifetime.
You've had a lot of those most important elections of
your lifetime, haven't you. You've probably heard that more of.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Every one of them is the most last chance to
do it.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
That's right, You're going to be the end of the
world if we don't get this right. Yeah, Yeah, we've
heard that so many times. Well, so you start out
with the UN and you're working with JBS, and how
did you get over to the Federal Reserve? How did
you move over that?

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I decided I had to produce some little documentaries or
documentary films as we call them today. But back in
those days, unless you had big bucks, in which we didn't,
you used the film strips, film strip projectors, and it
was a projector where you rule a little role of
a thirty five milimeter film with just still pictures on

(26:33):
them one you know, I think we had ninety eight
pictures or so, and you click them one at a
time and it projects up on the screen. You play
this soundtrack on like an LP recording on a phonograph machine,
and when it's time to change the picture, there's a
beep that comes onto the sound the operator turns the
picture and then narration continues and then there's it's like

(26:56):
a PowerPoint presentation with the beeps. So that's what we
did in those days, and I did well, I don't
know nine or ten of them, and I decided I
wanted to do one on inflation and the money supply.
I didn't know much about it, but I knew that
there was something fishy going on because everybody was accusing

(27:17):
the other guy of being responsible for inflation. Everybody accused
the farmers they were getting too much for their food,
and the farmers that were starving, we have to eat
their own food to just stay alive, but we don't
make any money. It's the distributors that take all the
money and distributes is not us. It's the truckers and
the truckers, it's not us. It's the it's the grocery

(27:38):
stores and the groceries. Its not us. It's the labor
unions and so forth. And they're all, you know, everybody's
pointing to somebody else is the cause. And they were
all correct in a sense that it was not them,
but they didn't know who it was, that hidden element
that nobody had looked at. And so I was curious
about that. So I started to do research on inflation,

(27:59):
and of course that leads directly to the engine of inflation,
and that's the Federal Reserve system, because that's the power
that creates money out of debt, and they can just
create as much money as people are willing to borrow
into existence, and it's not their money. They just create

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it out of nothing, or worse than nothing, out of debt.
So the money supply expands much faster than goods and
services expand, and therefore the relative prices for those goods
and services in terms of the expanded source of the
money goes up. It's just a very simple formula. A
high school kid that knows anything about math can figure

(28:42):
it out. But the American people still don't understand it
pretty much because it's deliberately compounded and made it look
very complicated.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
So I got into that and I created a couple
of banker boxes full of research on it, and I
was ready to go, and then I, hey, is this
topic is getting too big for me? And meanwhile I
had to get on and produce some faster film strips
because I have to put groceries on the table, right.
So I put the banker boxes in my closet for now.

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And then one day I got a call from a
little old lady in tennis shoes from Pasadena. We've heard
about those ladies. This was a real one, and she
was a widow, and she obviously had some money because
she lived in a big house in Pasady and her
husband passed away, of course, and had this car in

(29:40):
the garage. Was probably about twelve fifteen years old, but
I think it had like eight hundred miles on its
red car. Well that's a little side story. But she
was a wonderful lady. And she had a monthly class
that she was or meeting in her home on taxes,

(30:01):
and she'd heard that I was giving speeches and showing
film strips and so forth. So she called me and
asked me if I would give a speech to her
group on the weekend on taxes. And I said, well,
I don't know much about taxes except that they're too high.

(30:21):
And I'm again, what else can you say that taxes are?
But I might be able to talk to your group
about a hidden tax. Would that be of interest to you?
And she said a hidden tax?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
And in my supreme wisdom, I said, well, I guess
you're just going to have to retain my services so
I can tell you what I want. She laughed, she said,
you got me. She said, let's do it, so all right,
I committed to do a presentation of the Federal Reserve
as the hidden tax. And that forced me to open

(30:57):
up my banker boxes and go through the stuff again,
and the second time through, I was amazed at what
I picked up that I didn't catch the first time through.
And I became electrified by how really important this was
and how many areas in our lives it reached that
I hadn't really focused on. So I got excited about it,

(31:19):
and I spent some time putting together an outline. I
gave the presentation and it was very well received. I
was happy to see, and some people approached me afterwards
there and they said.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
That was good.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
You ought to click that on the road. Well, you
don't do that to a child actor. He say, Oh,
I'll put it on the road, which I did. I
ramped it, got it all well organized, and I called
it the Crash Course on Money. It was a one
day seminar. I thought, you know, I could probably sell

(31:51):
tickets to this if I was smart enough, and so
I tried that, and by golly, it worked, and I
was selling tickets. And I'll put it on the road.
I was going from town to town to town. This time.
I'm not doing what I did in the old days.
I was taking care of myself. And so we did
that Crash Course on Money and then I'm probably giving

(32:15):
you more information than you want.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
But this is what happened.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
At the end of I think it was probably about
the ninth or tenth seminar. At the end of the meeting,
I was approached by another little old lady and she said,
mister Griffin. And that was always a shock to me
because here she's an elderly lady and I'm still in
my twenties, late twenties or early thirties, and in my thirties.

(32:42):
I guess she's calling me mister Griffin. I've always got
to kick out of that, she said. After what I've
learned from you today, she said, I'm really concerned about
what I should do with what limited resources I have.
My husband passed away. He left a small stipend and insurance,

(33:03):
and we can get along. We have a small investment
in a small apartment building or two apartments, I think,
she said. But we're in debt. Should I get out
of debt? Should I take what we have in assets
and put it in gold and silver? Or should I
what should I do with my assets? And it hit

(33:24):
me or at that moment what a fraud I was,
because I did not know the answer to that question.
I knew what the Federal Reserve was doing. I knew
how they created money out of debt. I knew the
impact had had on the purchasing power of money. I
knew all those things, a lot of them, not all.
But I was a learning still in those days. But

(33:45):
to answer the question of what she should do to
avoid the consequences of that, I had no idea I
was a fraud and she was expecting me to know.
So I stopped doing the webinar ours, i should say,
and I enrolled in the College for Financial Planning, which
was a course done by a Chicago outfit, an educational group.

(34:10):
It was like a CFP designation, and it normally takes
a couple of years to get it, and so I
rolled in it, and it was all by correspondence, and
then you have to go to a physical location and
take the exam that's an all day exam and so forth.
So I did that and I got my CFP designation
as a financial advisor. Not because I wanted to do that.

(34:32):
I just wanted to know how to answer this woman's question,
how do you protect your assets and under these conditions?
So that's what I did, And then I came out
of that with another realization which I would never would
have had had I not been taking that course, and
that is that these people were teaching bunk. I was

(34:55):
learning bunk now. They were teaching how to invest in
markets that is in the best interest of the financial planners,
not in the best interest of the investors. And that
was really what it was all about. And of course
they always said it was for the group, for the

(35:17):
best investment for the I'll get this straight. Yet it's
always best for the investor himself. But it was always
an investment that paid a commission to the person that
recommended it or something, and none of it really took
into account that the value of the money was constantly
being depreciated. They didn't really understand inflation. Or they said, well,

(35:40):
this has a better interest rate and therefore better for
to fight inflation, But they never talked about inflation itself
and what the long term consequences might be over twenty
or thirty years for you who do everything they recommend,
but still in twenty or thirty years you have zero
because the dollar is zero and things like that. So

(36:02):
that's when I decided, hey, somebody ought to write a
book on this. I looked around and there were books
on the topic, but they were all kind of written
from the point of view of somebody who wanted to
go into banking, they wanted to be a banker. The
book was there on the Federal Reserve, how to use

(36:23):
the Federal Reserve, how it works, and the terminology. It
was all good, but it didn't The books didn't help
the average person at all understand the fraud that was
built into the banking system.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
And not even the bankers. I had a friend of
ours and I would make remarks from sign time to
time about the Federal Reserve. And we got together and
he had his brother who was a branch manager at
a bank, and he says, whatever his name was, I
don't know, Fred or something. I met him once and
that was it. But he said, Fred, you know, Dave's
got a lot of issues with Federal Reserve. He said,

(36:59):
tell him about the Felt Reserve because they just cash checks.
They just processed checks. That's that's that's your understanding of this.
So yeah, it's that was one of the one of
the most clueless people I've ever seen in terms of fans.
I mean, it wasn't even aware of the impact of
you know, uh, setting interest rates even for example, you

(37:20):
know none of it.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well, see, you don't have to understand that to make
a killing in the banking, that's right, you have to
do it. Just know how to cash checks and move
the money.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Around, that's right, collect interest, that's right.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, that's absolutely So that's.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
How it all started. And so, as I said earlier,
it's it's kind of a boring story actually, because it's
the same thing over and over again, that you stumble
into things that you had no idea where you're headed.
And if I had had any sense, literally any common sense,
knowing what I know now, I would never have tackled
it because it was it was so much over my understanding,

(37:56):
over my head. I didn't know any of this. Well,
it's a good thing I didn't know, because I've talked
to bankers since then, and especially when I get into
the topic of cancer and things like that. I have
no medical background. I'm writing a book on cancer therapy
and so forth, and I've had people tell me, like

(38:17):
doctors in particular, say, ed, you had an advantage that
we didn't have. What what do you mean an advantage?
How could that be? You went to school? That's the
advantage we had. We had to unlearn. All you had
to do was learn. We had to unlearn first. Oh yeah,

(38:38):
because when you go through the institutions and they teach
you these things, you believe, you become a true believer
these people.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Before we leave the financial stuff, I mean, you know,
we've got a lot of people looking at what is
happening now. It looks like, you know, they've been kicking
this can down the road for a long time. Looks
like you're getting towards the end of the rope. They've
openly talked about how they want to re engineer the
entire financial system. CBDC is on the horizon and all
the rest of this stuff. You know, what, in general

(39:06):
is your advice to people? I know you're not a
financial advisor financial advice, but just in general, in terms
of preparing for what is coming, what would you say
to people?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I guess it depends on to whom I'm talking because
for many people, if you tell them really what's happening,
it's so beyond their world of understanding that they can't
they cannot believe it, or if they believe it, they
don't understand it. So you're wasting your time you have

(39:40):
to get depend on who you're talking to. But I
guess my the simplest way to explain it is to
be totally honest, but to not be dramatic about it.
So let's see if I can put that.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Together some pretty dramatic stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Not being too dramatic. What is happening, in my view,
it is that the old system of money is coming
to an end. And that's an important fact to know
because up until now all you had to know is, well,
what has always worked? You know, like should we should

(40:21):
we invest in gold or silver or something and coins,
and there could be arguments pro and con but the most,
the most overwriting argument was it's always worked, no matter
when you look in history, no matter what the problem was,
those that had gold and silver always came out on top.
So it's always worked that way. Is a really powerful item.

(40:44):
But now it isn't in my view, because the system
itself is changing, where to the point where money will
no longer even exist in the way that we think
of it money. The essence of money, in order for
it to have any use to us is that we
have to own it. It's got to be our money.

(41:09):
It's not somebody else's money, because if it's somebody else's money,
they can just take it back and well, we don't
have it. And this is what's changing, is the fact
that and most people don't see this at all. They think, well,
no matter what they come up with, it will be
dislike it always has been. No. No, because there's cbcds

(41:30):
the Central Bank digital currencies that all of the nations
now are committed to adopting in the very near future,
in the next decade for sure, possibly starting in the
next year or two. That quality of private ownership is gone.
That those tokens or whatever they call them, the digital currencies,

(41:54):
they'll have different names, whatever the name is, they will
be owned by the banks, and they'll be allocated to
you and me and everybody else to use as long
as we have a good social credit, which means as
long as we behave according to what they think we should.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
You and I are going to be pretty poorly.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
We're going to be out on the street. I'm sitting
on the curb with a tin cup asking somebody to
put a coin into the tin cup. But there'll be
no coins. There are no coins anymore. They're just digital
impulses in the computer so forget the cup and people

(42:43):
can understand that we're actually approaching a change in the
entire system, So the rules of what you do are different.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I would say, normally without this upcoming CBCDS that we
should have a nice stockpile in gold and silver. And
I still say that, by the way, I have not
as nice as stockpilet as I would like, but I
have some shekels put away in gold and silver and
in food and other physical tangibles, other assets that people

(43:18):
will need and you could use as barter. But in
terms of how you come out of it okay and
still maintain your lifestyle, it's a different game. And the
chances are we're not going to come out of it
anywhere close to how we went into it, and we
have to be prepared for that reality. Nobody wants to
hear that.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yes, And I think what we're going to get is
a heavy dose of reality. You know, it's going to
be skills, and it's going to be commodities and things
like that that are going to be negotiable, and you
know it's going to be really it is going to
be a reset. And then the question is how do
how do we cope with that I think, you know,
in terms of people talking about a parallel society, Americans

(44:01):
have not really had any experience like people in third
world countries have in terms of operating black markets and
things like that. But I guess we'll learn pretty quickly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yes, Well, even the black market has a problem with
it because in order for a black market to work,
you have to have money that you own, you still have.
You go into the black market and you have money
that you can give to somebody who's going to give
you something, or you can barter. Is the only thing
border left, and that only works in your local community,

(44:32):
among people you know and trust. So it doesn't allow
you to put gas in your car, It doesn't allow
you to pay your rent, or to buy clothes in
the big store, the big box stores or anything like that.
If we don't turn this around and prevent it, we're

(44:53):
going to be very much like little children who are
completely dependent on the state for everything, and that includes food, shelter, healthcare, clothing, everything.
And under those conditions, most people will buckle and they'll
be like slaves in Egypt.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
The thing that concerns me is that this is all
based on surveillance. That is their overwriting desire to know
everything about us. And what concerns me about it is
how apathetic so many people in our society are about
privacy and about surveillance and about free speech. And you
got people across the political spectrum, all these people that

(45:37):
are so eager about the election, and you see both
of these candidates talking about how they've got to shut
people down that disagree with them, and because of that,
people downstream from them, we're also buying into this kind
of censorship stuff. And I think if we could develop
and get back a respect for free speech and for

(45:58):
privacy and things like that, that really has be fundamental
as a guard against some of this stuff, because that
really is the essence of how their controls are going
to run out against us.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
What do you think, Well, you're absolutely correct, and one
of which we have to be dealing with ideas and ideas.
That's the basis of our war. This is a war
of ideas. I mean, yet they have these powerful weapons
that frighten us and can be used to eliminate us,
and that's the ultimate weapon, of course, But in the
meantime they're conquering us, not with weapons they're conquering us

(46:32):
with fear of weapons, and that fear of weapons makes
us very compliant. And of course if they didn't have
the weapons, we wouldn't be afraid of them, that is true.
But they could pretend like they have the weapons. And
that's often what has happened in the past is you
probably know in Russia, particularly in the Soviet Union, they

(46:53):
would parade these huge missiles in the street on trucks.
You know, they were like eighty feet long, and these
huge missiles like we send to the moon now we're
supposedly send. I don't know what to think about that one.
But those those weren't really missiles at all. I'm told

(47:14):
that they were just you know, made of wood and
paint it up and so forth. But Americans, ah, look,
they got missiles too, and there was the fear of missiles,
not the missiles themselves, that caused us to not confront
the Soviet Union and try and make friends with them
and abandon our own interests and so forth.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
So this can parade, right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
So anyway, this is this is new and I guess
that's my message that the old answers to that question
are not reliable. Anymore. But that still doesn't mean you
shouldn't give them up. I mean you shouldn't use them.
I should say because I think that even though even
though we didn't don't have money because we're not obedient

(47:59):
enough and they cut us down, and we did have coins,
we could probably find somebody would take silver coins, if
they're small denomination at gold coins in return for food
or something that they have a little surplus on in
their homes. But this is not living, This is not surviving.
This is slavery.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
And I think though, if we fall back on the
fact that what's going to get us through this one
way or the other is going to be the ideas,
it's going to be the principles on which we base
our life. I think people who have relationship with Christ
are going to have a foundation that's going to carry
them through this stuff. And it's going to be very difficult.
If you don't have something like that, you are going

(48:39):
to If you don't have any the sand is going
to be shifting, the earth is going to be quaking.
And if there isn't some foundation that is rock solid
in your life, and if they've got you, afraid they've
got you, and that's what we saw four years ago.
That was really a panic and fear. But that brings
me to the medical stuff, because I don't want to

(49:00):
finish the interview without having you talk about the book
World Without Cancer. I think this is really a time
for people's eyes to be open to this because prior
to what happened in twenty twenty, a lot of people
were taken in by the white coats. Remember when they
first started this thing, you had a public health person
come out. I played that clip over and over again,

(49:21):
comes out to the podium. But before the person who's
going to speak comes out of the podium, they had
six people come out, three on each side, all them
in white coats, and they march out in a line
and three of them stand on one side of the
podium and three of them so look at this. They
just putting this in your face, like we got white
lab coats, were medical and we have authority, so listen
to us. And I think people have seen that now

(49:44):
as a fraud, and they have seen the self interest
in all of this stuff, so they're open to questioning
the authorities on this. And I'm sure you know you
must have quite a story behind a World Without Cancer.
Because I know they came after Layatrill and and Migdalen
all that in a very very heavy way. I didn't

(50:04):
realize that you had written this book until I interviewed
John Richardson at RNC store dot com and when he
was talking about the books that they have there, about
your book especially. That's one of the main reasons I
wanted to get you on because this is so key
and it is a time that people are ripe to
hear this message. Tell us a little bit about that.
How you got into it?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Well, there you go again. How did I get into it? Well,
John Richardson, senior Doctor Richardson and I were very close
friends that we had both worked together on projects in
the Birch Society, and he put up some money to
open up a little bookstore in the San Francisco area,

(50:48):
and that's where I got involved because I was with
the Birch Society in those days. But we soon developed
a personal friendship that went well beyond that, and it
got to the point where at for a while, we
want to get away from the routreet, the regular routine
of our daily lives, and we'd like to get away
from town, go out in the countryside and tell people

(51:10):
we're going fishing or something like that. But we just
go out and talk and do some hiking in the hills.
And one day we're out doing that and and doctor
John says to me, I need your help. I need
you he had. He took his briefcase with him on
that trip. I thought was strange.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
And he opened up this.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
He opened up his briefcase and pulled out some papers
and fumbled through them. He says, I'm trying to write
an article for the local newspaper or magazine, and I
need your help writing. Could you help me? I said, well, sure,
of course, that's what I do. You're you're the doctor.
If I get sick, you help me. I'm the writer.
And if you're silly enough to ask me to help

(51:52):
you with the writing. And so he said, Well, I
asked him. I said, what is it? I said, well,
I'm in trouble with the local medical association. They're threatening
to take away my license. I said, what did you do?
You know, like the typical what did you do wrong? Yeah, well,
this is what I'm doing wrong? Is I'm saving lives?

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (52:16):
This was this was Now we've seen that story over
and over again. People are ready to hear this and
understand what's behind it.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah, I said, what do you mean? So naturally he
told me the story he says. He said, I'm an eye,
ear nose, and throat specialist, as you know, but I've
been getting people with cancer throughout their body, the systemic,
and they want me to treat them because they hear
that I've got something that works. And I said, well
do you He says, yeah, I do. Well tell me

(52:45):
about it. So that's how the start the whole thing started.
He said, Well, I found out there's a substance that's
found in nature that I didn't believe in at first,
but my office manager convinced me to look into it.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
So I did.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
This is a substance as a curs in nature, and
if you eat it, it turns out to be a
natural control or prevention, a natural resistance against cancer. I said,
how can that be? He said, well, I'm not sure
how it can be, but I know that it works.
So he told me the story of this. Amygdalant or
leatrol is the more popular name for it. That's found

(53:22):
in some twelve hundred edible plants actually, but anyway, it's
primarily found for commercial purposes in apricot seeds and peach
seeds and any fruit in the Roseatia family has this
stuff called amygdalan in It is bitter to the taste,
and that's why most people in the Western world or

(53:43):
in affluent societies don't like to eat foods that have
this substance in it, because it's bitter. If you've ever
bitten into an apple seed, you know what I'm talking about.
That's the flavor. And he said, that stuff in low
quantities is it. It looks like it's a natural control
for cancer. And he told me the story. All right,

(54:04):
this gets interesting in the details. He had a dog
that had cancer and he was about to put the
dog down because he tried chemotherapy and everything else on
the dog that the doctors do and it wasn't working.
In fact, the dog was getting sicker. And when he
heard about this, he says, I tried to use I
decided to use this substance on the dog, and he said,

(54:26):
blow me down. The dog got well real fast, and
I couldn't believe it. I'd never seen that happen before.
And then the next part of the story is that
he said his nurse came to him, his head nurse,
whose husband had terminal cancer, and she said, doctor John,
you know my husband is not going to last very
much longer. And I saw what happened to the dog.

(54:48):
Would you please do that for my husband? And he said, well, sure,
I'd be glad to, but don't tell anybody because it's
not approved, you know, and for human use. And he
tried it on her husband and he got well, this
is how it all started. And so John said, I

(55:08):
started using it very very cautiously, and very low dosages
and very suspiciously, making sure that I was not risking
anybody's life, using it only on people who really had
terminal cancer to start off with. And he said, I
was getting way way better results than anybody I know.

(55:29):
But the word got out, he said. I never advertised
it and never talked much about it because I knew
what the establishment would say about it. It was quackery
or something like that. But the word got out because
these patients that are dancing out of the office when
they came in on a gurney, they talk about it.

(55:50):
And so patients started coming to his clinic and it
was no longer by this time an eye ear nose
and throat clinic. It was a cancer clinic and people
were coming from all over the world, and I didn't
know that at that time. So that's the story he
told me. And he said, now the medical professionists found
out about it, and they threatened me that if I
don't stop this immediately, they're going to take my license.

(56:14):
He said, I need to tell the story. Will you
help me write it? I said, sure, that sounds interesting.
I thought it would be a three day project, you know,
just to read about it a little bit and ask
a few questions and then just write it up. But
it turned out to be I don't know, a three

(56:34):
year project, yeah, something like that. And it changed my life.
It just changed my life. I wouldn't be here today
if I hadn't learned about that, because it made me
realize that almost everything that we think, we know that

(57:00):
it is really important in our lives, is a lie.
When I realized that money was a lie, and now
I found out that cancer treatments were a lie. What's
more important than that? So that changed my life. And

(57:23):
in my own family, I've seen we have some members
of our family that are alive because of the treatments.
So I wrote the book. It took me quite a while.
I sat at the at the feet of listening to
the great, the great scientists and doctors who really knew
about this stuff. Doctor Richison was very open about it.

(57:45):
And of course I met the originator of this whole treatment,
who is doctor Ernst T. Krebs Junior, who was the
inventor of all that, not the inventor, but the discoverer
of the chemical and use and pioneer in using it
for cancer. And I sat in his office many many
an hour. He's a portly gentleman. He was sit back

(58:06):
and he put his fingers together and said, well, let
me think about that for a moment, and he'd go off.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Of how did he discover it?

Speaker 3 (58:14):
How did he discover it?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Well, okay, his father was a doctor, an MD. He
was not an MD doctor. He had his PhD degree
from some smaller institution, which they like to hold it
against him because it wasn't from it wasn't from Harbor
or something like that. He was a PhD. But his
doctor was a pioneer in that. So his doctor and

(58:38):
his father and he worked together on all kinds of
herbal constructions from nature because they had already discovered in
their minds that nature has the cure, not the test tube. Yes,
so that's where they were experimenting, and they found that
the use of leatrill or the sub Now there's this

(59:01):
whole big story behind it. So that's what the book
was about. I'll just give you one quick example. One
of the clues to this was the fact that in
the Midwest, it was quite common for farmers to see
that their cows would develop cancers of the mouth and
lips and so forth and other parts of their bodies
in the winter time, but they would usually go away

(59:23):
in the spring. And they said, why is that. There
must be something about the weather, you know. Well, then
they got to observing that it happened shortly after the
green sprouts came up through the snow in the spring,
when the snow started to melt and the first green
grasses started to come up through the snow, and the
cows would eat the green grasses. And it turns out

(59:45):
these broad leaf grasses are very rich sources of amignalant.
So that was the kind of clues that they had.
How they discovered this is by you know, scientific method,
and so anyway, that's how it starts, and so John
asked me to help him write the article, and I did,
and that led to the book.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
And and then what happened. I bet they that when
we look at what happened in the last few years,
if anybody comes up with any treatment other than the
one that they've decided they're going to sell you, they
come after you in every way. We've seen that with
ivermectin HQ, anything else that anybody comes up with. And
so everybody this has been on public display now. But

(01:00:28):
you lived this. I guess the book was written in
nineteen seventy. You've done an update I think in twenty
ten or something like that, but you know this is
back in sixties. I guess where this is happening. But
you know when you were publishing it. So what happened
after you published this? What was a firestorm?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Well that's an interesting story. I published it and we
sold it as a little I had a little publishing
company by then, American Media, and we had a break
bush sale on it. And I went to a book
convention in San Francisco shortly after the book was published,
and that's where all the biggies came. You know, these

(01:01:06):
big exhibits at half a block wide, and let's see
which one. Which one was it? It was the little
pocketbooks him Banham was there, and I thought, well, maybe
we could convince ban Him to reprint this and put
it on the big market. So it just so happened.

(01:01:28):
On the morning of the first day. The president of
Bantam was there on the floor when I was there,
and I saw this cluster of people around him, so
I thought I'll get in line, so I did, and
so I went up shook his hand. I said, I'll
make this short. Mister Smith or whatever his name was.

(01:01:48):
I said, we have this book here on Lea Trill
and it is carrying cancer. You probably have heard about
it the newspapers there. There's a big controversy over it,
and I'd like to give you a copy and see
if it sounds like it's something that that Bandham would
I'd like to run with. So he gave it to
his assistant who was standing next to him, and he said, oh, well,
we look at this well. They called me later in
the afternoon and they wanted to have dinner with me,

(01:02:10):
and they wanted to talk to me about printing the book.
So make a long story short, we did. You signed
the contract. Wow. We got Bannham to publish our book
and they put it out. They made it a they
had a special name for it. It was a special
edition that they can produce a book in I think
it's forty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Hours something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
And they just work around the clock. They have teams
of people and they work twenty four hours to get
the thing out in forty eight hours or something like that.
And they did that with this book, and it went
on the book stands and it was selling like hotcakes.
And then all of a sudden, we got this message
that this out of print. Nobody can get the books

(01:02:54):
out of print, and so we checked it out. Sure enough,
it's out of print. How come it's out of print?
And I called the publish Well, there's no demand for it,
there's no demand. The bookstores are clamoring for it. Well,
our statistics show there's no demand for it. Well, we
couldn't convince them otherwise. They just didn't want to reprint it.

(01:03:15):
So it was clear that somebody on the board of
directors at Batam got the word, Hey, you guys made
a big mistake. You published the wrong book, and so
we were we were clamped out. We had one printing
and that was it. It was glorious for a few weeks,
but after that it was dead in the door.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Now story of my life. You talk about the pharmaceutical companies,
they come after you and they get you shut down. Uh,
it is h it is amazing. But again, you know,
people can find that at RNC store dot com. I
know that he sells it there. And very important for
people to take control of their life, to question what

(01:03:54):
they have been taught and uh, to think critically, and
that really has been the story of life. I think
questioning what a lot of people just accept as fact.
And you have done your research and you gave people
your opinion, and I think when their response is to
just shut things down, that's something of an endorsement of

(01:04:17):
your research.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I think a loss you Yeah, in sort of a
backward way, that's a pretty good recommendation. Its I've been
centered by the best.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
That's right. Well, tell us about the Red Pill University
and the Red Expo, which is coming up November sixteenth
through seventeenth, right, tell us little bit about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Yes, that's a big flagship event. We started the Red
Pill expos in twenty seventeen and they've been just roaring success.
As we were very skeptical about it at first, because
you know the red pill meme, in case there's anybody
listening that doesn't know what that means. It's based on
a sci fi movie twenty one years ago now called

(01:05:01):
The Matrix, and the whole theme of the story was
that humans were now living in a fantasy world. They
were all wired up to machines and they were dreaming
about their lives. They weren't really living them, and they
thought they were going to work every day. They thought
they were raising a family, going on vacation, eating meals

(01:05:23):
and so on. But it was all programmed into their
minds and they were controlled by the Matrix. That's what
they called it. There was this computerized reality and the
only way to get out of that was to take
the red pill. There was the blue pill, which you
could take if you chose to, which would put you
back into the illusion, but to get out of the illusion,

(01:05:48):
you had to take the red pill. It turns out
that many people chose the blue pill because it was
more comfortable. They'd rather not know that they were wired
up to a machine. They'd rather think they were being
a normal life is more pleasant than knowing that you
had to fight the matrix to exist, So it was
kind of a good parallel to the reality. So we

(01:06:10):
thought we would call this the Red Pill Expo and
deal with topics like that that we wanted to expose
the reality and that's underneath the illusions. And as I
said a moment ago, it seems like the more important
something is, the more likely it is that we are
in illusions about it, because it's to somebody's best interest

(01:06:31):
to do that to us. Yes, a profit from our
naivety and our false beliefs.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Now, where can Peell go to get this as you've
got read?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Well, yeah, right, Yeah. We have done physical events from
the beginning and they were very well attended and very successful.
But this time around we've decided to go one hundred
percent live stream, primarily so that we can cut expenses
on the overall production and make the event absolutely free
instead of having to charge. It's for it because we

(01:07:01):
want This is not about money, it's about getting the
word out. So that's what we're doing this time, and
it's working pretty well. We're very impressed by the response,
but we want as many people this isn't globally now
around the world. To sign up for it, and you
can find all the information who's going to be speaking,
what the events are, what the topics are, and a

(01:07:21):
lot of insights as to the themes and so forth
on red Pillexpo dot org, redpillexpo dot org.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
So sign up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
It's free, and we do have an option for those
that want to come in on a VIP basis that
gets some extra goodies if they want to do that,
Like they can ask questions of the speakers, and we've
got to raffle going on and all that kind of thing.
It would be nice to be able to pay the bills,
but we want this free if necessary, to anybody that

(01:07:52):
can't afford ten or twenty dollars or whatever it is
as a donation. It's free. That's what our goal is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
You see. And one other question I've got about it.
I see that you've got a new book coming out
that's coming up. How it's called The Chasm, The Issue
Behind All Issues? When is that coming out?

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Well, the latter part is a tough one. Yes, I
do have a new book. It has been coming out.
It's been coming out ever since the day after nine
to eleven. Actually, oh, okay, that's what I started. That's
what I started to write it the day after nine
to eleven. That was you talk about a red pill.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
But the whole purpose of the of the book is
to provide historical support for the fact that our war
today that we're in is a war of ideas. It's
an ideological war. And it's not between the left and
the right. It's not between the Republicans and the Democrats,

(01:08:53):
or the Liberals and the Conservatives, or the Nazis or
the Communists or the socialists or all of these labels
that we've been given to worry about. It's not the Masons,
it's not the Catholics, it's not the Jews. It's not
the black people. It's not the Christians, it's not the Muslims.
All these divisions they want to get us focused on.

(01:09:15):
You know, it's not about any of that. Those all
little sub sections play a part in it. But the overwriting, controlling,
dominating force behind it all is an idea, and it's
a conflict of ideas, I should say, between something called
collectivism and individualism. I found out in my research that

(01:09:38):
those words were well known and used quite extensively one
hundred years ago. You find them in the old books
and in old newspapers too, but modern now it's all
been scrubbed, and for good reason, because those two words,
as strange as they are to the ears of most
people today, are fully describing the con click between left

(01:10:02):
and right. And you know all these things we mentioned before.
When you peel off the labels, you find it's collectivism
versus individualism, and so are what are the what is that?
How do you define that? And that's what this booklet
is all about. Is I took all the issues in
the in the big book that I'm working on to
illustrate support for these principles. I've taken just the principles

(01:10:25):
themselves and put them into a fifty page document, and
I'm giving them away free because I'm afraid I'm not
going to live long enough to get this bloody book finished.
Although I'm making progress, I want to get these principles
out now. So about ten months ago we made this
little booklet here. This is fifty pages. It's the chasm

(01:10:47):
collectivism versus individualism, and it's everything I have learned about
those two topics. It's all there and type and we've
got some good illustrations. You can see those in the back,
sure to illustrate the points that we're making. I think
I have foundew very few open minded people and that's
hard to define, but very few people who I would

(01:11:11):
have considered to be on the other side politically from
my position that after reading this and going over these principles,
doesn't come to the point where they say, hmm hm,
I guess I've been an individualist all along and didn't
know it. It's that simple, it's that clear. We get
to thinking of well, let me back up. The mantra

(01:11:36):
of collectivism, is this the individual it must be sacrificed. Yeah,
I fully stated, is the group is more important than
the individual and the individual must be sacrificed if necessary
or the greater good of the greater number.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Why didn't we see that with public health and all
the rest is with everything? Yeah, I know that with everything.
That's a good example of because they don't care about
individual health, right, No, we don't really care. If you've
had any issues with any of this, You're going to
do it for the public health, for the public good.
Everybody's going to have to do this. And I talked
that bureaucracy, the public education, and once they once they

(01:12:18):
start talking about that, it is the collectivism that is there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
You find this issue underneath all of them. That's why
I say this is the this is the this is
the issue behind all issues. Literally, and look at Pearl Harbor,
look at nine to eleven, look at COVID, look at everything.
I don't care what it is. You'll find that collectivism
is the answer. What makes all of that seem justified? Yes,

(01:12:45):
Lenin put it this way. Vladimir Ilias Lennon said, if
you want to make an omelet, you have to crack
some eggs. And now you could be said many different ways.
But the greatest, the greatest insults of history, the greatest

(01:13:05):
outrages of history, have been justified with this mantra. President
Roosevelt and his team justified withholding information from American commanders
on Pearl Harbor so that they were literally surprised by
the Japanese attack. And they justified that, and they justified

(01:13:26):
keeping the information unknown to the American people because it
was a mark of statesmanship, It was a means of
bringing about a greater good, because it was necessary to
convince the American people that we needed to get into
World War two as quickly as possible so that we

(01:13:47):
consit at the piece table afterwards, and when we redivide
the world and we make it a better world, and
we probably would save millions of American lives too, because
the Japanese surely would have come over and bombed our
cities and so forth, the average americanism. Oh oh yeah,
I guess. I guess the four thousand sailors we killed
deliberately in Pearl Harbor was worth it because it's the

(01:14:10):
greater good of the greater number. You know, everything, everything
that happens in this world that's horrible is justified by
the perpetrators on the mantra of collectivism. Yes, and it's
time to recognize that it's time to break that hypnosis
that that idea has over us. I learned that in school.

(01:14:33):
They taught me that the greater good for the greater
number was the ideal political position, and most people still
think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Yes. Oh boy, we thought in space, did we? Absolutely? Amazing? Yeah?
And I think you're spot on with that and so
many other things. It's so interesting to talk to you
had so many important insights throughout your life and your
work has been very valuable to so many people. And
I haven't read and the World Without Cancer, but that's

(01:15:03):
my intention to read that. That's very very important, especially
when we look at the last four years, how the
veil has been pulled back on what the pharmaceutical industry
and what the government supposedly oversight people are doing for
the greater good. You know, people die miserably and it's like,
well it's rare, it doesn't matter, right, it's for the
better good, for the greater good, common good. So we're

(01:15:25):
going to approve this the drug that is out there.
Thank you so much for joining us. And again this
red Pill University dot org. But you have a Redexpo
dot org? Is that the one where people go for
the for the red expo that's coming up?

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
What is the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Red red Pillexpo dot org?

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Red pill Expo dot org? Okay, yeah, red.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Pill Expo dot org. Did you go there? You'll see
who we have as the upcoming speakers. We still have
three or four that we haven't put on the page yet.
They're all dynamite. These people all have a red pill
to share with you, and they're all really really important.
And so it'd be two days. I mean to be
prepared to be blown away by information like this. That's great,

(01:16:08):
It'll change your life.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
That's great. Thank you so much for joining us, Jedvard Griffin.
It's been a great pleasure talking to you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Thank you, Thank you, David. I really appreciate it, and
it's good to see you again on the screen. And
we'll be talking later.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Thank you very much. Well, what an inspiration. Jedward Griffin
is a real critical thinker, a visionary, a man with
the courage to go wherever the truth leads him. And again,
Landmark Books, you want a fearful master creature from Jackal Island,
a world without cancer.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
Making sense common Again, you're listening to the David Knight Show,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Joining us now is Alexandra. She has an organization Just
the Inserts at just the Inserts dot com. You can
also find her on Instagram under that name Just the Inserts,
and also on x under that name as well. And
I wanted to get her on because many of you
know our family's history with us, and I think it

(01:18:50):
is very important. We've seen what has happened to the
medical community, and we need to take control of what
goes into our body and so there needs to be
informed consent and that's what she is all about. Thank
you so much for joining us, Alexandra.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
It's a joy to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Well, thank you. You know, I the listeners here know
the history of what is happening with my family. We
just had our son was injured by I what they
call a floxen, you know, some of the flora chloro quinns,
and you know, going back to cipro, and when we
went to another place where they had supplements a drug

(01:19:31):
storey went in and Karen and I we were looking
for a particular supplement that somebody had recommended to kind
of counter that and the person behind the counter that
was the pharmacist there was wearing a mask and the
other person you know, we told them, well, we're looking
for this and said why are you looking for that?
And said so we told them, and the other person

(01:19:51):
that was there there was just kind of a helper,
wasn't The pharmacist said, you know, it's kind of the
point where those inserts are so scary, I don't even
want to read them. And I thought, wow, that is
the saddest thing I've ever seen, because you better believe
that the stuff that is there is not only possible,
but it was possible to such an extent that they
put it in there to cover themselves. And so that's

(01:20:11):
why I wanted to get you one to talk about
just the inserts. How did you get involved in all
of this? What's your background?

Speaker 6 (01:20:18):
Well, like you and probably most people listening today, personal
experience with pharmaceutical injury. I was active duty military and
there are several times when I was serving that I
had an adverse reaction, but it wasn't enough for me
to dive too deep into finding the inserts. It was like, hmm, okay,

(01:20:41):
I had a next brain and they gave me oxycotton
and I ended up having severe constipation. That's odd. And
it was just little things trickling here and there while
I was serving that made me start questioning the products
that I was blindly accepting. And then when I became
a mother, or when I became pregnant, I was I
need to become more natural minded. And I was in

(01:21:02):
my third trimester and the midwife handed me a one
page sheet on the tea DAP vaccine and I remember thinking,
this is very odd. I cannot have most medications I
can't have raw cheese or milk or any of these
other things, and yet an injection just didn't make sense
for me. So I asked my mom to research it
for me, and she researched it, and then when she

(01:21:24):
came back to me a few days later, she had
so much anxiety and urgency in her voice, almost as
if I was standing on the edge of a cliff
getting ready to jump off, and it actually really turned
me off. She started sending me all of this information
of saying I was going to die, my baby was
going to die if I accept this product. So naturally,
like any millennial, I went on Instagram and I started

(01:21:45):
researching myself, and then I saw the other side, the
other polarizing view that if I didn't accept this product,
I was going to die and my baby was going
to die. So I just felt that it was very polarizing.
So because of who I am, I was trying to
prove my mom wrong, and I wanted to just have
what the government said about these products. I knew with
my business background that every product on the market has

(01:22:07):
to have some kind of legal documentation about the safety
or effectiveness of that product. So I ended up finding
the inserts, and as this was happening in parallel to
me researching vaccines, I ended up having my daughter. I
declined the B vaccine, I declined the eye ointment, but
I had a forty four hour labor and it was

(01:22:27):
very traumatic. So I ended up accepting the vitamin K,
the synthetic vitamin K injection, because I was told it
was just a vitamin K. It was just a vitamin. However,
in hindsight after reading the insert, there are or other ingredients,
including benzyl alcohol, which now there's an added warning box
warning on the vitamin K insert that says it can

(01:22:49):
cause gasping syndrome for infants and can be fatal. Of
course I didn't know this at the time. So my
daughter ended up becoming injured from the synthetic vitamin K
and she had severe jaundice, she was collic, she had
liver and gut issues. And I felt that the people
that I had trusted, the people that I paid a
lot of money to provide expert advice on, had not

(01:23:12):
properly informed me of the potential known adverse reactions and
risks that are on the FDA website that are on
manufacturer inserts. So I desperately was trying to find answers.
I went to pediatrician after pediatrician, and every single time
that I brought my daughter in, they were scolding me
on not getting vaccines. And so here my daughter had

(01:23:32):
already been injured by a pharmaceutical product. Why would I
introduce in any more interventions, especially with what I had
been researching on vaccine inserts and so it just didn't
make sense, and it made me dig my heels into
the research. It made me start trying to find the answers.
I don't have a medical background, so I was just
going straight to the dock of resources because my thinking was,

(01:23:54):
if the government says this about these products, if the
manufacturer says this about these products, and you can't really
fight with that pretty black and white. So I started
sharing on my personal Instagram and I got shadowed, ban
and censored. I lost a lot of friends in that
process just by sharing doc of information, and that to
me was even more of a red flag. Why am

(01:24:15):
I being so ostracized just for asking questions? So I
ended up praying asking God. I remember distinctly, I was
on my exercise bike and I had tears in my
eyes because I had read story after story of injury,
not just from vaccines, but from all pharmaceuticals, and I
asked God for guidance, and I said, send me Lord,

(01:24:37):
I'm here, I will go. And then over the next
few weeks, weeks and months after that, I started getting
inspiration to start an account for just the inserts. And
that's how it started. I started originally on Instagram. It
grew so fast, so quickly. I had over one hundred
and forty eight thousand followers on Instagram in just a
few short months. And then a week before the COVID

(01:24:59):
vaccine was mandated by the Vitamin Administration, I was deleted
off of Instagram with no warning. After the fact, Meta
told me in their blanket statement that the reason why
I had been deleted was because of a dot of
study that I had shared. So I was deleted off
Instagram for sharing doc of information. I but you know,

(01:25:24):
it was a blessing because I was pregnant with my
second child at that time, and I ended up realizing
that I was spending nine hours a day posting and
researching and it really wasn't good for my own personal
mental health and physical health. So I was off Instagram
for about eight months, and then amazingly enough, for some reason,
when Elon Musk bought Twitter, I was magically allowed to

(01:25:45):
be back on Instagram that same day with the same username.
All of my content had been wiped, but I was
allowed to be back on So I slowly started rebuilding.
And during that eight month process, I had started focusing
on my website, realizing, despite what we're told, the Internet
isn't forever, and starting to create more solid foundations for

(01:26:07):
my research, saving it on high drives. Things like that.
I got back on Instagram, rebuilt, rebuilt my website, and
then this year, after having my third child, I realized
I need to put all this in a book. I
needed to have a physical copy of all this research
because it's so important for new parents patients. Everyone needs

(01:26:27):
to have informed consent, no matter your educational background, no
matter where do you come from. You need to know
what manufacturers say about their own products. You need to
know what the government says about their own products or
products on the market that they have approved and are regulating.
You need to understand all that. And it's really hard.

(01:26:47):
They've made it really complicated to find this information. So
my goal is not to replace research it's to streamline research.
So everything that I put out on Instagram, website, emails
is all cited. You can go find it yourself. And
I just took step by step instructions are created, step
by step instructions on how to find and read manufacture inserts.

(01:27:09):
And then in addition to that, most people were like,
why do I need to read an insert? And just
like your story, you said, the inserts are so scary,
why do I need to be reading them? And really,
the foundational element of all of this is informed consent.
We deserve to have all of the information that the
government and manufacturers know about this product, at the very

(01:27:29):
least to make well considered decisions for ourselves, for our families,
and for our communities. And that's really why I continue
to go today as I started with my own story,
but would continue me to talk and advocate for other
people as other people's stories. I even before we hopped
on today, I was getting messages from people saying I

(01:27:49):
was injured by this. I realized I was injured. How
can I make more informed decisions in the future, And
that's why I wrote a book And yeah, we have
to we have.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
To do our own research. The pharmacist isn't going to
tell you. The doctor is not going to tell you.
As a matter of fact, I remember you're talking about,
you know, COVID and when that came in and when
the hammer really dropped on people. I've had that experience
as well, because I've pushed back against you know, the
vaccines and the pharmaceutical in general, but specifically the vaccines.
But I remember one person filming it, you know, had

(01:28:22):
the camera running in their pocket and they were giving
out the COVID vaccine. She said, I'd like to see
the insert for that. They said, well, I don't know
where that is. Well, could you get the pharmacist and
tell him to come here so I could see the answer.
They got the pharmacist and he says, I can't find it.
This is really strange. You're supposed to be an insert
for this, And.

Speaker 6 (01:28:41):
The reason why is because it was probably emergency youth
authors that authorized. So I had pharmacists messaging me saying
there's no insert, or if there is an insert, it's
a blank page. And so they do. They did have
insert like information called a fact sheet, but even then
it was completely bear at the start of it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yeah, yeah, you know when you look at this stuff,
especially when you start to try to search it. You
talked about in your story, somebody prescribes you something, and
I've gotten very careful about that, and so subsequent to
my son's injury, we got a prescription for I don't
even remember what it was for, but you know, I'm
looking it up and it was something that was kind

(01:29:25):
of innocuous and everything. But you go to web md
and they'll just give you a regurgitation of want the
pharmaceutical industry wants. You've got to almost go to. And
I'm glad to see that your your site is up,
because what I would do, I would go to look
up the term and I would go to places where
they're talking about it on Reddit or whatever, so that
I can see what individuals experiences have been because the

(01:29:47):
whole thing has been so covered up. It's absolutely amazing,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
Yeah, there is a federally funded study that identified only
one percent of vaccine adverse reactions and just a little
bit more of that for all pharmaceuticals are reported in
the passive surveillance system, and that's FAIRS for drugs, the
FDA's Adverse Event Reaction System, and then VARUS for vaccines,
the Vaccine Adverse Event Reaction System, and we probably all

(01:30:12):
know we've heard about THEIRS. Yeah, because people were discrediting
that after the Code Vaccines, almost as if it was
just an office complaint box and that anybody could do
a fraudulent report. However, if you go onto the var's website,
it has a disclaimer that you could be fined and
put in jail if you put a fraudulent report, And
the FDA and CDC, HHS and ih they all speak

(01:30:34):
to the importance of a passive surveillance system. So for
any medical provider that is discrediting it, they're discrediting their
own system, and I would caution them doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Oh yeah, yeah. So when you're dealing with your doctor,
what kind of things should you say to your doctor
in order to you know, have a relationship with them,
to question what it is that they're giving to you.
Let's start with that, the doctor patient relationship.

Speaker 6 (01:31:02):
That's a great question.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:31:03):
So when you go into a doctor, you are seeking
a service. They are providing expert advice based on the
observations or any diagnostic tests or physical exams that they
do in an appointment. So The first thing that you
want to make sure when you go to a doctor
is that you understand the diagnosis. About twenty percents of
diagnoses are wrong in the United States, and so you

(01:31:27):
just want to make sure first up right out of
the gate, that you agree with the diagnosis, and.

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
That you.

Speaker 6 (01:31:33):
Are sure that the observations that you've communicated to the
doctor have been taken into consideration, and that any observations
that they may have for you or your childs you
agree with. That's the first thing that you need to
be aware of. And if you don't agree with that diagnosis,
you have the right to say, Okay, thank you for
your expert advice, pay them for their time, and then

(01:31:54):
go somewhere else and get a second opinion and a
third opinion or a fourth opinion. There's no limit on
how many opinion you can get. That is the right
as an informed consumer that you have when seeking healthcare
as a service. So if you do agree with that diagnosis,
say you do find a doctor that you agree with,
they're going to provide a recommended treatment plan that might
include lifestyle changes, nutritional changes, or pharmaceuticals or other kinds

(01:32:19):
of medical products supplements in each of those categories, you
have the right to accept, delay, or decline those products
in that treatment plan. So if you do accept a product,
you are observant of any potential adverse reactions. You communicate
any changes to condition to your medical provider. If you
decide to delay that product, maybe you want to gather

(01:32:41):
more information about your condition, Maybe you want to research
other alternatives within that pharmaceutical class or supplemental class, or
maybe you want to come up with a holistic treatment
plan where you have some pharmaceuticals, some natural supplements, some
lifestyle changes, maybe surgery, things like that, or maybe you
decide to decline that product and you can seek alternatives

(01:33:01):
with that provider or find a new provider. So that's
the basic process of informed consent, and all of it
is in a pursuit of having all the information that
you need to make a well considered decision about your
health and your child health.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Yeah, from my personal experience I had after a heart attack,
I had a doctor who was prescribing some stuff to
me and I had some questions about I think it's
statins that he was doing, and I had known about statins,
and so I mentioned some of the things to him.
About status, and I don't think I'm going to Oh,
you've been talking to doctor Google, have you? And it's like, well,
I guess we don't need to talk anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Actually, I have a.

Speaker 6 (01:33:39):
Funny story about that and this. It always makes me
laugh when medical professionals say this, because when I was military,
I remember going to the doctor and telling them my
symptoms and they, I kid you not, swiveled around in
their chair, got on the computer and got on Google
in front of me, started searching my symptoms diagnosis. And

(01:34:01):
I remember that was such an AHA moment because I
remember thinking, why am I here? The only benefit that
you're providing me is access to a pharmaceutical that I
cannot get myself. And it started to break down that perception,
that preconceived notion that I had that all doctors know
of everything that they're talking about. They don't all know everything.

(01:34:21):
And I would also say that my community that I have,
that just the inserts community, is predominantly medical professionals, many nurses,
many doctors, many pharmacists, many surgeons. Have reached out to
me saying I was never taught this in school. I
was never taught how to read and find and interpret
manufacturer inserts. The only time that medical professionals in their

(01:34:44):
professional training that have been exposed to manufacture inserts are
because pharmaceutical employees or representatives have contacted them, presented parts
of the inserts to compare advantages to a competitor, and
pharmaceutical represents have confirmed that messaging me as well.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Wow. Yeah. And when you look at what the doctors
are doing in most cays, like you said, they'll look
on Google themselves or the symptoms, you stop and think
about what they have become in terms of just a
service that writes out prescriptions that you're not legally allowed
to things you're not legally allowed to get. I think
how easy it's going to be to replace them with
chat gpt it. It was about eight years ago that
a study in South Korea said that by twenty thirty

(01:35:25):
there was going to be massive unemployment and one of
the highest things that they had there was doctors, about
seventy percent of them. And if you stop and think,
what is typically is just looking up the symptoms and
matching it to whatever the big pharma wants you to
buy for that particular drug right now. And so that's
I think that's where this is all headed because they
have basically made themselves largely irrelevant.

Speaker 6 (01:35:48):
But actually, just along, sorry, go ahead, I was just
going to comment on that. I actually just read an
article recently that said there were several hundred people and
I can't remember the institution that did this, so I'll
have to find it and send it to you. But
they took responses from chat GPT on certain medical conditions
and then responses created by medical professionals, and they asked

(01:36:11):
these steady participants, which response do you like better? And
it was overwhelmingly positive towards chat GPT. And it was
interesting because they were saying medical professionals are less likely
to be sought because people will go to chat cheapt instead,
which actually can be quite alarming because chat GPT isn't autonomous.

(01:36:31):
That there are parameters that the AI works within, so
you do have to be careful of that. But I
found that interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
They will train it, and of course they spend a
lot of time putting biases into the training, and so
you can imagine it's going to be a fight from
the pharmaceutical companies to make sure that the biases towards
their particular drug, because they do that when they run
the tests. They got three pharmaceutical companies. They've all got
their own drug for this particular condition, and you'll find

(01:37:01):
that when pharmaceutical company A pays for the test and
the study, that they will be found to be the
best one. When the other companies do it, they will
pay for the study to find that they are the
best one. So it's going to be who gets to
put the bias into the chat GPT. The other thing
that's concerning about it, of course, is the fact that

(01:37:21):
chat GPT does hallucinate, so it's kind of like it's
kind of like going to a doctor who is microdosing
on LSD or something. The same time, you never know
what you're going to get.

Speaker 6 (01:37:35):
Exactly exactly. Go to chat GPT if you want, but
also read the insert just to confirm everything. And it's
interesting you brought up the information from pharmaceuticals because most
of the time when I read inserts, I completely scroll
past the clinical trial data. You can manipulate all of
that data into however you want to, and you can
see it when you start to get into the weeds

(01:37:56):
of it. And I wouldn't recommend anyone first researching that
pharmaceutical products to go straight to that section because it
is very overwhelming. I would recommend going to section six
point two, which is the post marketing adverse reactions. According
to the CDC, the definition of an adverse reaction is
an undesirable medical condition caused by a vaccine a pharmaceutical.

(01:38:17):
And that's why I would recommend going to section six
point two because in six point one you can start
to see where some of the oh, well, these sections
of the clinical trial data was exempt from the study
because X, Y, and Z, and then you start questioning, well,
why was it exempt because that obviously would have skewed
the results, And so I would recommend people skeepping that
when they're first starting to research.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
Yeah, you know, and it changes so rapidly. You know,
we look at the floor chloroquins and they continually tweak
the formulation so they can first of all renew the patent,
but then so that they can also make sure that
you don't tie it to these other things that now
have a track record that looks pretty bad. Constantly adopting

(01:39:01):
a new alias as the way that I look at it,
So how do you keep current with all this stuff
because they're constantly changing it.

Speaker 6 (01:39:07):
I don't to be honest, I try my best, but
there's no way, there's no way I can keep up
with it. Even even on xite. I tried to follow
all of the CDC, FDA AHS, all these things, and
it's always changing. There are always things that are being
added or changed or I mean even the flu vaccines,
those get updated every year. And I've been doing this

(01:39:29):
for four years now and I've had to update my
influenza web page four times because they change so often.
And sometimes they have a quad crawd you know, four
it covers four influenza strains and sometimes it's three influenzas strange,
and now they're talking about the mRNA, and now they're
talking about combining COVID and RSV and fluent. So it's
if you go into it thinking that I'm going to

(01:39:51):
learn everything possibly who human possible, you will overwhelm yourself.
You'll burn yourself out. So my advice is that if
you are being recommended a metal product by your medical provider,
ask them to write down the trade name of that product,
confirm this spelling, and then go to the FDA website,
or you can go onto Google, go on to your

(01:40:12):
preferred search engine, type out that trade name with FDA
insert after that, and then you'll find the manufacturer insert
And I don't if anybody's listening and they're frantically trying
to drop this all down. I have a free training
course on my website that goes step by step on
how to do this. I also have it in my book,
and it'll teach you that no matter what product comes
to market, you could research it yourself. You can find

(01:40:35):
the information that you need to if the information is available.
As we already discussed with euays that information might not
be available, which I would argue, why is that product
being brought to market? But that's a whole different discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Yeah. Yeah, And you know, and today it is really
imperative because we're like as simple things, just like antibiotics
or whatever, and they're constantly changing them, changing the formulation
and making them more concentrates. So you know, this isn't
your mom or your dad's antibiotic. This is something that
is very different, and because of the rapid change in pharmaceuticals,

(01:41:10):
you really do have to keep track of this and
you really need to take it seriously. These people always
dismiss it by you know, whenever something happens. Oh, it's rare,
right that that covers everything. And it's like, well, evidently
it's not so rare that it wasn't in the insert
And evidently you know, even though it might not be
a whole lot of people by your account, and we
don't know because they don't necessarily bother to let us know.

(01:41:33):
They'll list out a whole bunch of things. And that's
the one thing that we need to not fall into,
I think, is that mindset to tell ourselves, well, yeah,
it says if I take this antibiotic, I could have
a stroke. But I've never heard of anybody having a
stroke after an antibiotic, and yet it happened to my mother,
And so they've got it there for a reason, and

(01:41:53):
we need to be careful about that. What about the
health care providers, I mean, talk to us. You said,
you've got a lot of healthcare providers who go to
your website just the inserts dot com. What is it
that you tell them in terms of and tell patients
in terms of what the relationship should look like for
informed consent.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Well, I.

Speaker 6 (01:42:14):
Bravo to all medical providers who are going outside the
traditional training model of what they've been taught in school,
what they are taught by professional private memberships such as
the American Academy of Pediatrics ACOC, all these all these
other private entities that receive they publicly acknowledge they receive

(01:42:35):
funding from pharmaceutical industries. Bravo to the medical provider that
is seeking their own information and taking it on themselves
to go outside of that training model. I love hearing that,
and there are more and more medical professionals doing that
just in the four years that I've been talking about this.
So my advice would be that when you are first

(01:43:01):
going to medical school, most medical providers go because they
want to help their patients, because they want to heal,
because they want to see someone come into their office
hurt and in pain and for them to leave to
be better, and for them to understand that researching manufacturer inserts,
researching potential non pharmaceutical alternatives helps you do that. That

(01:43:24):
pharmaceutical companies are not the arbiters of science. They are
not the only ones that exercise science in pursuit of
health and in pursuit of wellness. And I actually have
an entire chapter of that in my book, and I
cite from dot gov resources. I cite from the NIH
about chiropractic care, about aravetic care, about traditional Chinese medicine.

(01:43:46):
There are all these other models of health and healing
that are accepted across the United States. And there was
a study that was done and this was about ten
years ago, and I believe it was thirty percent of
Americans have had some kind of experience with unconventional healthcare,
is what they would call it. And so my advice
to anyone researching is, yes, utilize the tools that are

(01:44:08):
available to you, make informed decisions about them by reading
the inserts, but also understand that there's not just those tools.
There's a whole world of healthcare available to us. And
I was actually able to attend the Senate roundtable discussion
with Senator Ron Johnson and DC in person and Robert
Kennedy Junior. At the end of his closing comments, he

(01:44:31):
spoke to the entrepreneurial spirit of Americans and how there
are healthcare providers going outside of the insurance models, going
outside of traditional healthcare to provide health to patients. They
might not be as marketed as well as other professionals,
or they might not even have websites, but they're out

(01:44:52):
there and to start for them to realize that they
can take their business and not be so beholden to
third party entities or to insurance companies to accomplish their
goal of helping people.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
Yeah, of course, part of the problem that we saw,
especially through COVID, was anybody who bucked the system and
you know, there's this whole like union or guild or
whatever it is, and they'll come back and you know,
because everything is licensed and tightly control like that, we
saw so many people get purged out of the system
who did want to offer people different alternatives. And of course,

(01:45:26):
what the AMA has been pushing for a very long
time after the rockefellas is a paradigm of disease is
something that's got to be killed. Well. Unfortunately, sometimes the
stuff that you use to kill the disease also kills you.
Sometimes it kills parts of your body. Sometimes it's not
just temporary. Sometimes it is permanent. And that's one of
the things that's concerning about some of these antibotics that

(01:45:47):
are out there. It's that model, rather than building up
your body and strengthening your immune system, doing things that
are going to destroy your immune system or destroy other
parts of your body that's the key thing. So is
a very there are a lot of different paradigms out there.
You're right, and it is very important for people to
consider that. And I'm sure you've got some of that

(01:46:08):
on your website. As far as informed consent, different alternatives.

Speaker 6 (01:46:13):
Yes, and I also have reference our resources available in
my training course and in my book Physicians. Foreign form
consent is another great resource. And they actually just did
an article discussing how for the flu vaccine, those that
accepted the flu vaccine, the effectiveness overall isn't very good
for the flu vaccine. I believe it's around forty percent,

(01:46:34):
but there was a study that was done that those
that had accepted the flu vaccine were actually at a
higher risk of other respiratory illnesses. And so understanding many
of the discussions that are done in a pediatrician's office,
in a provider primary care physician's office, the discussion is
very siloed. It's very okay, we're going to discuss flu

(01:46:56):
and this is how this is the product that you
need to get for flu. But they're not realizing what
about the whole health? What about the whole body? Is
this vaccine potentially going to cause issues elsewhere. Is it
going to inhibit an immune response when this patient is
exposed to other viruses, or maybe you're like you discussed,

(01:47:17):
is it going to overtax their liver and so they
might not be able to detox the eccipients in this product,
Or is it going to kill their gut microbiome. There
are so many other things that I believe the medical
industry as a whole are not considering. They are just
very siloed, and they're very focused on just one topic.

(01:47:38):
And one thing that I've noticed to reading inserts is
that there are so many inserts that say that they
lower the effectiveness of other products. The great example is
typhoid vaccine, and I discussed this in the book. I
get asked all the time about people that are traveling
internationally about international vaccines, and it says on the CDC
website and on the manufacturer insert that the typhoid vaccine

(01:48:00):
is limited. The effective effectiveness of it is limited when
you take anti malaria drugs. And so if you travel
to a place like India, the CDC says, yes, take
the typhoid vaccine, but also take your anti malaria drugs,
And then on the insert it says the effectiveness of
the typhoid vaccine is limited by taking anti malaria drugs,

(01:48:22):
and so just understanding that when you take a product,
it could be limiting the effectiveness of another product or
your body's immune response as a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
Yeah, we look at drug interactions. That's one of the
things that I've started to look at. Somebody recommends something
to me for a blood tender for example, since I
have a FIB, the one put me on a blood thinner,
and as I look at it, and you know, I
look at some products or I look at a particular
blood thinner and the blood thinner says, don't take it

(01:48:52):
with these other things, It's like, oh okay, So then
those other things would also thin my blood. Maybe they're
not as dangerous, you know, and you know or rise
a versa. You know, you go to the to the
natural supplement and as you know, be careful if you're
taking blood dinners because or whatever it's going to lower
your blood pressure is going to thin your blood some more. Whatever.

(01:49:13):
So I basically used that to avoid some pharmaceuticals when
I look at it. But you know, part of this
you mentioned your story your mother doing research and trying
to warn you about it. And when we have friends
or we have family and we know something and we
see something that is alarming like that, we want to
grab them by the lapel and say, don't do it.

(01:49:34):
Like you talked about you said it was like your
your mother was like you were standing on the edge
of a cliff about to fall off. And that's the
way we feel about it, and so we get very
compassionate about it. What is the best way to approach
other people that you have found That's really hard.

Speaker 6 (01:49:51):
It's really complicated, especially when we have external forces, either
a government mandating the product, or we have the social
and cultural of external pushes of the marketing posts of
saying get this to protect your grandma, or get this
to protect COMMU community. It's very hard, and I think
upfront we need to address that because it is a

(01:50:12):
very delicate balance to strike, and I believe it really
depends on your personal relationship with that person, understanding their personality,
understanding what is going to resonate with them for them
to start researching. I'm not the type of person to
be told what to do, and so my mother should
have known not to go through at that angle. But
I understand I understand now that I've done the research

(01:50:33):
why she felt that way, especially because I was in
my third trimester. I was getting ready to have that
product at my next appointment, and so I do understand
her sense of urgency.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
Now, the Ways have never vaccinated pregnant women, and then
you know, they cross that rubicon, and then through COVID
and everything, they were demanding that pregnant women get vaccinated
with us. And that, I mean, it really is amazing
how this is all all set up. And again going
back to the paradigm, it is it's kind of the
sense that if we can kill whatever that thing is

(01:51:07):
that we think ails you, you know, the operation is successful,
maybe the patient dies, but we don't care as long
as the operation is successful. Rather than first do no harm,
they have gotten so far away from that primary directive
at first do no harm. It's just got to get
rid of whatever that thing is, regardless of what happens
to the person's health. And that's that's a thing that

(01:51:28):
is very concerning. But again, I'm sorry I interrupted. You
were talking about how your mother was working with you.
I mean, it's a difficult thing to try to when
we see how dangerous it is to try to get
it across to people, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
It is?

Speaker 6 (01:51:43):
It is, And so my advice is to approach it
in love, but in boldness, and to approach it in
the sense of having all of the information cited. I
actually have an entire chapter on this, and I do
talk about it in my training course as well. That
we have to first automatically assume that the person has
good intentions for themselves and their families. I think when

(01:52:06):
we go into it thinking nefarious, especially for friends and family,
that can put you off on the wrong foot right
out of the gate. And so to go into it
that they are just trying to do the best decision
with the information they have, and that you are tasked
with the opportunity to provide more accurate information and to

(01:52:26):
guide them in their path of research. And you're gonna
get much further in a place of love than in
in a place of hostility. And so I provide just
different resources for people to do that and to be
able to not be so aggressive. And some advice that
I give to as well is that if you do

(01:52:47):
go into a provider and you like this provider, but
they're forcing you to accept a certain product to only
bring dot of information. If you go into a medical
provider's office with a dot gov or dot com research
resource like myself, like just the Answers. Like if you
say I got this from just the Aanswers dot com,
they have been trained to discredit anything else that comes

(01:53:08):
out of your mouth. So it's really important for you
to go in with the dot gov information, have a
manufacturer and SERTs printed out, highlight them from the parts
that you want to discuss with them, maybe even write
the URL in the bottom of the webpage if it
isn't there for you to have productive conversations with them.
Some family members are the same way. That's how I was.

(01:53:29):
I have gotten hundreds of messages from people saying thank
you so much for putting this information out there because
I was having circular conversations, debates, arguments with my loved
one and they just said, well, I want to hear
only from dot gov information, and they happen to find
my account, and that's how they were able to have
productive conversations. Some people also don't learn by reading. They

(01:53:50):
are more visual or they're more auditory. So maybe you
need to find a documentary, maybe you need to find
a podcast that might present the information in a different
way and that might be helpful for them to learn.
One thing I did want to touch on when you
were talking about pregnant women. Another reason why I was
deleted is because I had done a post about the
about a cog pushing the COVID vaccines onto pregnant women,

(01:54:15):
and I was getting so many messages of pregnant women
skipping prenatal appointments or having anxiety attacks about going to
a prenatal appointment because the provider was pushing the COVID
vaccine so hard. And I was pregnant at the time,
so this just struck a nerve with me. I was
on pregnancy apps sharing information because women were asking should

(01:54:36):
I get it? Should I not get it? I don't
know if my intuition is telling me no, but I
don't have much information, and so I was sharing doc
of information and almost every single comment that I made
was flagged and deleted by the app. And so it's
it's hard. It's so hard because you want to get
so mad and so angry, and believe me, I have
every right to be mad and angry and aggressive, but

(01:54:59):
that's and the Holy Spirit kind of takes over and
reminds me that if you go in it too hard,
too fast, I have to remember that I have researched
fact A to fact B to fact C all the
way to fact Z. And if you go in with
fact P or somewhere else, that might put someone in
the defense and it might put them in an unhealthy

(01:55:19):
way of responding to the information that you're presenting to them.
So it is hard. It is it's very hard, and
you really have to have it's a little bit of
an art trying to prevent the information to them.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Well, I like what you have to say about dot
gov because you know, one of the reasons I look
at it is like, you know, why do we have
these arguments in fight? Well, many of us will look
at this and we've done research and we'll talk to
somebody and they'll say, yeah, but this authority figure says this.
It's like, don't talk to me about authority figures.

Speaker 6 (01:55:45):
That's a lot to fallacy.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Yeah exactly. But it's like, you know, I just have
this knee jerk reactions like why are you listening to
these authorities? They lie about everything? And as you're pointing out,
you know, we're at point Z because we've been seeing
the authorities lying to us about everything, but they haven't
noticed that. So we jump into this conversation way down
at a different place than where they are. Number one,
number two, we get upset because they're so focused on

(01:56:08):
authority figures. And I think your approach of saying, well,
if we go with dot gov information, we're fighting authority
with authority, and I think that's a brilliant strategy. I
think that's really great and so and it's also when
we look at social media and the censorship that has
been there, and I've experienced a great deal of it myself.

(01:56:28):
When we look at that, we've got to get away
from the social media walled garden that is there. And
so people go to a particular website, they go to
your website, or they go to mine or whatever. They
go to a book, you know, that's the way to
get outside of the system. We're all becoming trapped into
focusing so much on social media, and it's only going

(01:56:49):
to get a lot worse. I mean, we've got Facebook
is out there talking about how they're going to create
AI friends for you to talk to, and it's like,
what kind of a crazy world is this? I mean,
This is like the worst dystopian ideas of Yuvil Harari
out there talking about creating AI friends to talk to
you because you don't have any real friends of your own.
It's going to be this massive web of deception and

(01:57:12):
of control and of surveillance. And so we need to
start going to directly to web science. Yours is just
the inserts dot com going to a book. What is
the name of your book? By the way, we didn't talk.

Speaker 6 (01:57:22):
It's called well considered a handbook for making informed medical decisions.
I made it very small on purpose. I have all
the information you need, everything that I wish I would
have known when I first started researching, and it's also
sourced from doc of Information, and one of the chapters
that I have in here, I actually go into the
potential financial conflicts of interest at the federal level level
and at the physician level. And I think that's important

(01:57:44):
for patients and parents to understand as well that when
they walk into an office, they aren't just walking into
a philanthropic environment where the provider is providing charity to you.
It's a sales funnel. And I having business background, it's
important to understand what you are walking into so when
you are if your provider is becoming emotional about your

(01:58:08):
personal medical decision, you could understand that there's a bias
there and there's a potential financial conflict of interest. I
get messages from people that are so worried about upsetting
their providers, and they don't realize that it's not them.
It's not you, it's them. It's not something that you
need to take personally. If your provider is getting upset,
they are now entering a medical coersion, medical bullying, and

(01:58:31):
that's not your fault, that's their fault, and you need
to safely remove yourself from that relationship and find a better,
more qualified provider.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
I agree, And a big part of this is that
you know, when we have these campaigns by the media
or even if we get information from a health service
providers to avoid the fear. You know, fear is a
thing that allows them to do whatever they wish to
to us. If we get afraid enough of whatever that says,
regardless of what we have seen happen to other people,

(01:58:59):
regardless of what we've experienced in our own life, if
they can build the fear of the condition, let's call
it the disease or whatever it is. If they can
build that fear up, they can sell us anything and
people will continue to take it no matter even if
you have bad adverse reactions to it, and keep taking
it because you're so afraid of the disease.

Speaker 6 (01:59:19):
That's the key comparative safety. And it's one thing that
I've noticed continually reading a dot of information is almost
all of these medical products are the safety and effectiveness
of them are deemed in comparison to potential complications to
a disease or an illness. And that's not right. We
need to be assessing them based on their own safety,

(01:59:41):
their own effectiveness, not comparing it to anything else, because
you can make anything seem safe if you compare it
to something that is more dangerous. And I talk about
in the book how dangerous that comparison is and how
unscientific it is because of what we know from the
government funded study about adverse reactions, how only one percent
of real actions are accurately reflected. And then also too,

(02:00:04):
we haven't discussed that many vaccine manufacturers talk about shedding
and the potential for shedding, and how vaccine strains of
a disease are out there, polio flu, chicken pox, shingles.
There are vaccine strains that the CDC is tracking. So
when we talk about disease rates, measles outbreaks, was it

(02:00:25):
from the vaccine or was it from a wild strain.
I think that's very important for consumers to be aware
of as well.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Oh yeah, when we look at what is going on.
For instance, in Gaza, they said, well we tested the
storage and we found this polio out there. Well, polio
from the vaccine. We've seen situations. I remember when they
freaked out they had four patients who got measles, and
of course I'm old enough. We didn't even have any
measles vaccines and everybody got measles. Never heard of any
serious reactions to anybody. Parents didn't or they wouldn't have

(02:00:51):
been having measle parties to make sure they get this
over and done with.

Speaker 6 (02:00:55):
I had rubella as a baby.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
Yeah, there you go, and so you know, we had
all these childhood diseases and it's easier to cope with
them at childhood, and it was something that was in
fact very rare. But I remember a New York case
where they had four measle cases and everybody had been
vaccinated at least twice some of them more than that
for that, so it very well could have been the

(02:01:17):
vaccine itself that they were giving them. We never know
about this type of thing. Talk to us a little
bit about as a parent, what we do for your children.

Speaker 6 (02:01:26):
Well, the first thing, if I'm worried about a disease
because of the hype that is done either by public
health campaigns or influencers or anything that are talking about
a disease. RSV recently has been discussed a lot, and
now the bird flu is I've just on my personal
instagram I saw three influencers start talking about the bird flu.

(02:01:48):
And so if you were exposed to something like that,
as a parent, naturally you're going to worry about it.
I think as a parent, that's normal and that's valid,
and that's okay. So for me, what I do is
I researched the disease. I understand what are the early
symptoms of this disease. What is the transmission, How does
it transmit? Is it from fecal matter, is it from
oral droplets? Is it from blood? Explode, you know, exposure

(02:02:11):
to somebody's blood. I want to understand how this disease
or virus, or condition or something how does it spread?
And then I want to know what are the potential
complications of it. Once you understand the mechanism of action
and how the disease presents in the body, then you
can understand, Okay, what are things that I can do
to prevent this? If this disease is spread by somebody

(02:02:33):
going to the bathroom, being exposed to f equal MADL
not washing their hands like the polio virus, then I'm
going to make sure every single time on a public
public restroom to wash my hands and not excessively touch
everything in the bathroom. My children have been trained from
the get go not to touch any mucus membranes. They
don't touch their mouth, they don't touch their nose, they
don't touch their eyes, they don't touch their ears when

(02:02:53):
they're in public. As soon as we get home, we
wash our hands twenty seconds, cover everything. They know that
that is a tool that can be used in disease prevention.
I also make sure that their immune systems are constantly
being supported. We ensure that the quality of food that
we have is nourishing their body. I'm a firm believer

(02:03:15):
that every product you put in and on your body
can either help or hinder your health, and that includes food,
and so we prioritize quality food. We prioritize sleep in
our household. There are hundreds of thousands to millions of
research and data on the quality of sleep that you
have can determine your immune responses, immune support, your support system.

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If we know that we are potentially going to be
around someone that was recently vaccinated, we make sure that
we have some tinctures that we take to support our liver,
to support our detox systems so that if there is
a shedding event or One of the things that I
discuss our breakthrough infections, and this is heavily discussed by
the CDC and FDA, especially for the COVID vaccine. They

(02:04:00):
are tracking breakthrough infections. So when somebody is up to
date on their code vaccine, according to the CDC, they
can still have COVID and transmit it to other people,
but they don't have symptoms. It's asymptomatic. So in my opinion,
they're actually more dangerous because the symptoms aren't alerting them
to stay home, and they are exposing themselves to everybody
else and there's no symptoms that could potentially keep them

(02:04:25):
from spreading it to other people. So knowing all of this,
I could be in, as a parent, a state of
fear constantly, and I will admit that there are times
where I do fall into that camp of just being
constantly afraid of everything coming after my child. But then
that stress and fear itself will lower my immune response
and also pass that stress onto my children. So instead

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I have adopted the strategy of what can we do
to support our bodies? So no matter what we're exposed to,
either in the sky or pollution or toxins in our environment,
we are prepared. We were supporting our body as much
as possible.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
I agree, And it all goes back to you know,
do we have do we agree with their diagnosis? You
know when you look at the bird flu stuff, Oh,
look at how many people have gotten it and they
got pink eye, And so you talk about you know,
not touching your eyes when you're out in public and everything.
What about when you're working with bovine fecal matter, because

(02:05:22):
you know, that is what we're saying over and over again,
these maybe people got pink eye, Well, how often do
they get pink eye normally if they're not washing their hands?

Speaker 6 (02:05:29):
And did a bird flu post last night because I
was just so heated by these influencers to start saying
make sure you get your H five N one vaccine
and like that's not even commercially available yet, and they're
already trying to push this the only vaccines available or
stop by by this stockpiled by the CDC. But in
the CDC guidance that I pulled, it said that the
people that had been exposed to bird flu and had

(02:05:51):
contracted the disease, they had prolonged exposure to dead birds
or boohind fecal matter.

Speaker 1 (02:06:00):
Squat that could have been Yeah, exactly, who knows what
they could have been sick with, and you know they
get pink eye and they don't have any respiratory issues,
no fever, any of that kind of stuff. Is like,
I don't call it bird flu. Maybe call it bird's eye,
you know, or something like that. But yeah, there's a
lot of heavy, heavy disinformation out there and is all
about a campaign of fear. Leanna Wynn is out there

(02:06:21):
pushing this bird flu vaccine and it's got a very
very dangerous profile, so people need to be very very
concerned about it. I've got a couple of comments here.
Dougle Lugg says, after my heart surgery, I quit all
the prescribed meds within four months. Doc says I've prescribed
those for a reason, but he said no more. It's like, well, okay,
we don't necessarily agree with your reason, and of course

(02:06:44):
you're always looking to see what the issues are with it.
Guard Goldsmith says, I'm gonna ask if she took donations,
so I look for a book, see about the training program.
Those sound valuable if I and if I can afford both,
I'd love to study based on her program. And again
you and find that at informconsent dot com.

Speaker 6 (02:07:04):
And it's just the inswerts dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:07:06):
I'm sorry, yeah, just inswerch dot com.

Speaker 6 (02:07:08):
So when the training course is free, it's always going
to be free on my website, no email or part
to access.

Speaker 1 (02:07:13):
Good good. I was thinking about Guard again. He might
be interested in talking to you as well. On his
program he has Liberty Conspiracy. Jason Barker has another program.
He says, the bottom line is that since naturally occurring
molecules can't be patented, they produce synthetic patentable drugs. They
try to do the same thing that many natural things

(02:07:34):
can treat and handy who is a er professional and
Atlantic says. Atlanta says, even now I work with people
who don't have a clue that bears even exists. They
know playoff standings by heart.

Speaker 6 (02:07:48):
Though, and that's a failure of education for our healthcare providers.
Most of the time with the healthcare provider is researching
a manufacturer, answer is because they themselves are liable or
they comparents. That is one of the top reasons that
medical professionals have told me that they've read inserts and
that is a problem.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
Wow, Wow, that is amazing. Yeah, the stuff that's in
there is in there for a reason. And if it
looks scary, you should be afraid of that the only
one you're afraid of the condition that you're looking at.
And so that's an important thing. Just the inserts, and
it is very important that when we have informed consent,
it begins with information. You can find a lot of
information at just the inserts. Thank you so much Alexander

(02:08:29):
for joining us. Always great talking to you, talking to
people who have looked at what is happening with all
of this stuff. And I think it is very important
FIRS understand not only for ourselves, but how can we
have meaningful conversation with with other people and to meet
them where they are. And as I said, I think

(02:08:49):
your idea of fighting this authorityfigures with authorityfigures of dot gov.
I think that is one of the best ideas. And
of course people can find a lot of that information
at justininserts dot com. Thank you so much for joining.

Speaker 6 (02:09:03):
Us, thank you for having me.

Speaker 5 (02:09:05):
Thank you, Liberty, it's your move. And now the David

(02:10:47):
Night Show.

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
Handy said this to me, and he mentioned this earlier
on the board. He said, he talks to friends and family.
They tell him, well, you're just looking for perfection, and
they say Jesus isn't on the ballot. And I put
this up today. I said, you know, I always hear
people say Jesus isn't on the ballot. I've seen that
over and over again. And so my response to that is,

(02:11:22):
if Jesus is not on the ballot, then why are
you Christian leaders so intent on making him Trump's running mate.
You know that's the problem I have with it. You
want to go vote for Trump, fine, shut up and
do it in the secrecy of the ballot box. Don't
make Jesus the running mate of Trump or of La Lah.
They're evil. It is a shame to tie Jesus to

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that known evil. You want to vote for the lesser
two evils, go for it, but don't but shut up
about it. Don't tie him, don't make him the running
made of either of these candidates. So it says, what
do you say to people that accuse you of looking
for a perfection when you point out everything that Trump

(02:12:11):
did to us? Well, I would also say to them,
at what point does integrity and character matter to you?
If a person doesn't have integrity and character, they could
be right on all They could say all the right
things about the issues, and then they could do what
Trump did in twenty twenty. Right says, when I point

(02:12:35):
out things like the executive Order on fire the thirteenth,
twenty twenty, or the bump stock Executive Order, or the lockdowns,
or the PPP or the Operation War Speed and it's
continuing fruits or Faucci on the podium, Fauci getting a medal,
he says, it doesn't really matter. The more valid points
I make, the more I'm accused of holding Trump to
a standard of perfection. Well, here's the other thing too,

(02:12:59):
And I think need to remember this when we're talking
to friends and family. We have to understand that we
have to keep coming back to what is right, not
who is right. In other words, we want to keep
it focused. When we're talking about Trump, we're talking about Lailai.
I just said, I'm not paying attention to issues for

(02:13:20):
doctor Shiva because the issues with him again are ballot
access and debate access and taking, you know, getting your
head out of this ballot box that they've put you
in and start looking at how you can fix your life.
That's his message to people. He's just using the presidential
election to put them out there. But when we're talking
about somebody's really running for the presidency, and that would

(02:13:42):
even include the third party candidates like the Green Party candidate,
Libertarian candidate, Republicans and the Democrats and so forth, when
they're running and they've got a platform of issues and
that's all that's really about. And they're telling they're not
telling you, hey, your life lies outside of the ballot box.
They're not telling you that. They're telling you, we're going
to fix your life and here's what we're going to
do true life. Well, now let's talk about the issues,

(02:14:05):
and let's talk about him in a way that doesn't
get into personalities, because if we talk about who is right,
and this is what I don't like about the left.
They demonized Trump for his personality and his history and
so forth. He is a demon. Okay, question about it.

(02:14:27):
Jeffrey Epstein is now surface. Is like Michael Wolfe, who
did that biography on Trump, published some tapes where he
was interviewing Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein said, yeah, we're best friends.
It's like, I know that. You think I don't know that.
That's funny. You think I don't know that, but you
know it's And he said he was afraid of Trump

(02:14:49):
and so forth and so on. So he's putting this
out as a last minute election thing. Right, Well, we
know about Trump's background, and to say that he's not
perfect this is the biggest standard statement I've ever heard
in my life. He is the very embodiment of every
failing that a human being can have. I think. But

(02:15:10):
if we make it about him, right, that's what the
left does. If we make it about who, we're missing
the point. If we make about who is right, or
even about who is righteous, say we're not making about
who is righteous or who is right. We're making about
what is right? Was it right to do all these

(02:15:30):
things that Handy just mentioned that I've talked about so
many times, the gun control by executive, or the lockdowns,
the death by ventilator, all the rest was that right?
Was that right? Are you okay with that? You know,
we don't have to make it personal about Trump. This
is what the left is doing. They're making it and
that's what Trump does. He comes after people and it

(02:15:53):
feeds that. Both sides are feeding this. You know, this
person is more evil than that person. So we don't
look at what at the evil that they've both done.
We have to look at what is right, not sign
on to a who, We have to sign on to
a what. And we have people who don't have character

(02:16:14):
and integrity. It really doesn't matter what they tell you,
and it really doesn't matter who you vote for, does it?
Because there's somebody pulling the strings that's not on the
ballot and you don't see them, but we can see
their agenda if we look at what happened during the
La La administration and during the Trump administration, we can

(02:16:36):
see their agenda. So the key thing is, we want
to make sure that we don't live my lines. We
want to make sure that we don't fall into that
tutalitarian trap of saying two plus two equals five. We
don't want to get involved in that kind of double think,

(02:16:58):
so that we actually not just repeat the lie so
that we don't get punished by these people, but we
actually fully embrace that. And as George Orwell said, the
double think that you can hold two mutually exclusive ideas
at the same time and are completely comfortable with it.
The vaccine was evil, but Trump had nothing to do

(02:17:20):
with it. That's insane. These people have already because of Trump.
He has conditioned the MAGA voters to live by lies.
And that's the conditioning that you need in order to
establish a tautalitarian not just authoritarian, but a tautalitarian state.

(02:17:42):
You have to have that disconnect. And the la la
of people have it in the same way as well,
And so we have to not live by lies. And
so that means that you might want to look at
it and you say, Okay, Trump did this. Trump is
a liar, up deceived us. Trump betrayed us. But I

(02:18:04):
still think he's a lesser evil than la la, So
I'll vote for him, Okay, fine, I can live with that.
What I can't live with are the people who say
Trump had nothing to do with it. He had nothing
to do with anything that happened in twenty twenty, and
he's going to fix it. I can understand the people
who admit the truth and then make some lesser of
too evil judgment. And I cannot understand or accept the

(02:18:26):
people who will live my lives, the people who have
put themselves into this Orwellian double think box. That is
absolutely unacceptable. So Handy goes on and say, literally every
person around me has fallen into this delusion. People who
admitted what Trump did to us and now tell me

(02:18:47):
you have to vote he is our only hope. Ah See,
now we're getting into yet another thing. This is an
even greater delusion, and this really is an idolatry thing. Yeah,
and you have to say, no, my only hope is
Christ Jesus is my only hope, and he's my only king.

(02:19:12):
And all the rest of these people, I don't have
any trust in them, And God, I trust what I
remind them about everything Trump. When I remind them about
everything Trump did to us, just even and only in
twenty twenty they accused me of being a liberal hairis lover.
This is coming from people I've known for decades. I
can't even talk to any of them anymore about anything
this week, and I saw the last of them make
the switch to full brainwashing. Tell me about it, see

(02:19:35):
my audience. I see comments on social media, even people
that I know personally that I've talked to, who used
to tell me to my face, I hate Trump. I said, well,
I don't hate him. I hate his policy, I hate
what he's done. I really don't hate the man. Oh
I hate him. And now I see on Facebook Trump

(02:19:57):
twenty twenty, same person, same person. It's insane. You just
got to laugh at it. Look, it doesn't matter what
happens in the world. You set up a relationship with
Lord Jesus Christ. That's your anchor, that's your foundation. So
he says, I'm in a little bit different position than most.

(02:20:18):
What I've seen and experienced since twenty twenty is somebody's
working a MS emergency medical personnel, he says. Since twenty twenty,
he says, this is straight out of a nightmare. Yeah,
I wish I could forget what I've seen. No don't
ever forget it. Look at what is right, not who
is right. So let's talk a little bit about the issues.

(02:20:41):
Because whoever is selected, we talk about the issues. This
is going to give us a little better idea of
what kind of line of attack the collective behind Trump
or the collective behind La La.

Speaker 5 (02:22:29):
You're listening to the David Knight Show.

Speaker 1 (02:22:40):
So joining us now is Matt Trouhela who I have
talked to several times about his excellent book and about
the doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate. I thank you for
joining us, Matt.

Speaker 3 (02:22:53):
Good to be here with you, David, and I so
apologize for all my technical problems.

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
No, why am I no problem? And it always it's live,
So we have that kind of a situation happened frequently,
not a concern. Glad to have you on. Glad we
got through to you. And again your website is defy tyrants.
Remind me of that dot com? Okay, good, and that's
where people can find a copy of the book. Of
course you can find it on Amazon other places like that,
but it's always good to not deal with Amazon, but

(02:23:21):
to deal directly with the author helps them and helps
us to get away from Amazon as well, So again
defy tyrants dot Com.

Speaker 3 (02:23:30):
That's exactly right. And plus we send you a few
extra items for free when you purchase the book at
our website.

Speaker 1 (02:23:35):
Good good, Well, let's talk about this case. And I
saw this part. I'm on your mailing list and I
saw this. It's now been a couple of weeks. I
guess an FBI agent who invokes the doctrine of the
Lesser Magistrate, tell us a little bit about just for
people who have not heard you before, give us a
little bit of an overview of what is a doctrine

(02:23:55):
of the lesser magistrate? And we'll talk about how that
applied in the FBI case. But what is a doctor
or know the lesser magistrate?

Speaker 3 (02:24:02):
The doctrine is simply that when the higher ranking civil
authority makes unjust or immoral law, policy, or court opinion,
the god given right and duty of the lesser ranking
civil authority is not to obey, and if necessary, to
actively resist the superior authority. So that's as simple as that.

(02:24:22):
That's what the doctrine is. It's found in scripture. John
Knox wrote the foremost treatise on the Doctrine the Lesser Magistrate.
I believe ever, written in his fifteen fifty eight Appellation
to the Nobles of Scotland, the nobles were the lesser
magistrates of his day. He cited over seventy passages of
scripture in that treatise to show that this doctrine has

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sound in the Word of God. And at the same
time we see that it's not only practiced in Christian
nations or in the Jewish nation, but we see that
it was also practiced in non Christian nation, showing that
it's natural to man. Yes, and I actually start out
my book with a story about a row when governor
who interposed against the Emperor Cligula.

Speaker 1 (02:25:06):
Yes, and again, if you want to have rule of law,
you have to have that, because otherwise you're going to
have a dictatorship, if it's just going to be you know,
executive orders about this or that. If you're not going
to have a rule of well, you have to have
some you have to repair back to a standard that
is going to be there. And that's what this is
truly about. And so there has to be a legal standard,
that has to be a moral standard, and that needs

(02:25:27):
to be above men. That is a foundation of Western civilization. Really.

Speaker 3 (02:25:33):
Yeah, if you give any man or any human institution
unlimited power, unlimited authority, they will corrupt themselves. It's just
read the history of man. Yeah, it's a no brainer.
And so you want and.

Speaker 1 (02:25:48):
We've lived that. We've lived that. That's our lived experience
right now in America in the twenty first century. It's
not a theory. It is not something of the history books.
We can see it right now. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well,
tell us atle bit about this FBI whistleblower then that
invoked the Doctor of the Lesser Magistrate.

Speaker 3 (02:26:06):
Well, his name's Garrett O'Boyle, and believe it or not,
he actually hails from like twenty miles from where I
live where I'm sitting right now, and we put up
his He gave a talk in Idaho, and so we
put that talk up on our website to five Times
dot com. If people go there, they can see what
he has to say. Just follow the link and you're

(02:26:29):
right in. And when you hear him talk, you're like,
thank God, there's FBI agents who think like this guy does.
Because he understood his duty in order to interpose and
be a whistleblower. So he's in the FBI for four
years he was a Waukeshaw, Wisconsin police officer prior to that,

(02:26:49):
has a wife, four children, and the FBI, of course,
starts acting crazy in twenty one twenty two, late twenty
so he begins to bring this to congresses, you know, purview,
and there's laws about this about whistleblowers and how they're

(02:27:11):
to be treated and whatnot. And the reason he did it, David,
is because he saw that the FBI was using foreign
counter terrorism measures on US citizens, including moms and dads,
mostly moms who were going to school board meetings because
they were bothered about their kids being masked up. And

(02:27:33):
of course then it led into other areas where their
children are being taught despicable things that they knew nothing
about prior to the masking. They're using those counter terrorism
measures for foreigners on American citizens, and those are the
American citizens they're concerned about that they want to use
these measure on. That's what he was whistleblowing about that

(02:27:55):
and other things. But that was a big one, you.

Speaker 1 (02:27:58):
Know, that's interesting was doing. Yeah, let me just interject here.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but you know, that's one
of the things I said at the golden lining and
silver lining or whatever. This cloud of lockdown. You know,
God works in mysterious ways, Doesney, And so as kids
are lockdown and they have to do online school, parents

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finally were able to see what was actually happening in
their child's classroom. I've had this discussion with parents for decades,
you know, going back to even before we had our
own kids, trying to tell them of my wife's experience
in teaching school and things like that. They would never
believe what was happening in the schools. They would always say,
that's another school, even if it came to their state

(02:28:41):
or it came to their particular school. No, no, no,
the teacher in my classroom is fine. They were finally
able to see that, yes, it is happening in my
child's classroom. And so I think that that was a
real blessing from God. Sometimes we see that in the
storms of life, and it educated so many parents. But
then when they go to the school board to complain
about it, the FBI starts tracking them. Yes.

Speaker 3 (02:29:03):
Yeah, And we had the same experience as you. You know,
all of a sudden, all these people in the early
twenty twenties are telling us, can you believe what these
schools are teaching my son, my daughter. It's like we've
been saying this for thirty years, and it's like they
just had this revelation. And of course it was good

(02:29:24):
to see parents realizing these things and understanding their duty
and no longer just shirking it. And of course they
were still a minority, right, maybe made up ten or
fifteen percent of the parents overall, but that's a huge
number from the American response to evil. So it was
encouraging to see so many parents realized for the first time,

(02:29:46):
and it led to many of them either pulling their
kids out and going to private schools or homeschooling.

Speaker 1 (02:29:52):
Yeah. And then the other thing, you know, all this
stuff about socialization, you've heard it as well, well what
about socialization? It's like, yeah, what about socialization? How did
that work out? You know? And so it just by
that awful thing that we went through, God just pulled
back the curtain and showed anybody who wants to there's
no excuse for people and not understand that.

Speaker 3 (02:30:12):
Now they lived it exactly it, you know, and they're
concerned about you know, social mal adjusted, your kids will be.
So I heard that beginning me and my wife were
homeschooling back in the eighties, early eighties, and you were
an oddity at that time, much more common now. Back
then you were weird and oh, they'll be socially male adjusted.

(02:30:35):
What we found was, you know, homeschool kids can actually
have a rational conversation with adults. Yes, Meanwhile, the kids
going to the government school are pondering whether they should
use the kitty litter box to go to the bathroom
or not inside the public Chrestril, it's got the crazy
problem here.

Speaker 1 (02:30:55):
Yeah, I remember, and you know I lived through that
because I went to a government school. If somebody is
a year older than you, you were afraid of them.
If they were a year younger than you, you had
contempt for them, that type of thing. You could see
that throughout the you know, and so I'd say, yeah,
we talk about socialization. Maybe they should be socialized by
their parents rather than a kind of lord of the

(02:31:15):
flies type of socialization, which is what they were getting
in the schools even back then, before they started all
of this active you know, agenda of propaganda, sexualization and
all the rest of the stuff that we now see.
I mean, it really got bad. But you know, even
when we look at the FBI looking at people we
had back in twenty thirteen, Ed Snowden showed us that

(02:31:40):
they were spying on Americans, you know, for no reason
at all, and we knew that, you know, James Clapper
was questioned about that just a couple of months before
Snowden releases stuff. But even going beyond that, the whole
reason that we had FAIZA was because from its inception
you had the CIA and the NSA spying on Americans
with US search warrant, listening to their phones and so forth.

(02:32:02):
So this has all been there. They created PISA to
stop it, and then these people used FAIZA to give
them legal cover to continue to do what they have
been doing from their inception right after World War Two.
And so it's good that this stuff is coming out,
and it's really good to see FBI agents who become
whistleblowers about this. But again it's still an issue, just

(02:32:23):
like people seeing what's happening in the schools, how do
we motivate people to do something about it. But it's
very important they have a whistleblower who does that. And
I talked to the FBI agent friend, I think his
first name was Steve Friend talked to him a while back,
and he was also somebody who was going to do
the right thing. He was not going to violate the law,
he was not going to violate his moral principles, and

(02:32:45):
so they kicked him out like so many people in
the military who weren't going to violate their moral principles
over the vaccine and other things like that. These institutions
is just an evidence of how corrupt they are that
they eject people who have moral concerns or want to
obey the constitution, Isn't it?

Speaker 3 (02:33:02):
Absolutely? Yeah? And he actually Garrett Boyle in his interview,
if people take the time to watch, and I would
encourage them to do so, talks about the fact that
he believes the FBI is so corrupt that it needs
to be abolished. And one of the things he talked
about also is how few of them, there's like five
or six FBI agents that became whistleblowers of all this

(02:33:24):
evils going on. What does that tell you, David? It
tells you that the history books are right that most
people go along to get along, but they only look
out for themselves, that they accommodate themselves to the evil.
They actually aid and to bet the evil, either through
their silence or their complicity with going along with the
evil edicts that are made. So men like Garrett Boyle

(02:33:46):
are massively rare and unfortunately, and so I would encourage
you to take the time to listen to what he
has to say and see how he thinks, because when
you hear him, he's a Christian man and he's theologically driven.
It's interesting because he mentions in there that the first
time he heard about the doctrine the luster magistrate was

(02:34:08):
from a ci A confidential informant. So they were spying
on pro lifers. The FBI is spying on pro lifers,
and so his confidential informant tells him, oh, you're from Wisconsin.
Have you ever heard of this pastor Mattchuella, And he

(02:34:28):
wrote this book on the doctrine in Lester and he goes,
that was the first time I ever heard of it
and began to study about it. And he does a
great job to hear a former FBI agent, Wow, talk
about the doctrinaliser who's actually demonstrated to the hazarding of
his own life and family. You have no idea how
good that is to the heart data so encouraging.

Speaker 1 (02:34:50):
To see, Oh that's great, yeah, and that is what
you said is so important. How few people push back you,
How few people push back about this in any of
these institutions where they're talking about the FBI, you're talking
about the military, whether you're talking about the hospitals. Right,
they're literally killing people on ventilators. And I interviewed a

(02:35:11):
woman who wrote Pandemic Nurse. You volunteered to go up
to New York from Florida because she said, I didn't
see any pandemic in Florida, so she went to New York.
They let her sit around for several days before they
brought her in. Then when they gave her the tour,
the doctor said, you know, these ventilators, more than you know,
eighty eight percent of the people whatever high eighties are
going to die from this stuff. It's like, what is

(02:35:31):
going on with this? But they were fine, you know,
they were fine to do that because they were getting paid.
And that's what we see in all of these institutions.
You know, the only way that we're going to have
any change is if you're going to have people like
Garrett Boyle, who is going to you know, stand up
to this oh Boyle is his name, Garrett, oh Boyle,

(02:35:52):
Garrett g A R R E T.

Speaker 3 (02:35:55):
And it's O.

Speaker 1 (02:35:56):
Apostrophe b O y l e is how you spell
his name. People want to look this up, Well, where
can they find it? Can they find the link to
this interview of his.

Speaker 3 (02:36:04):
Right at our website, it's our top story. It's theF
tyrants dot Com. You'll see it right there. Just if
you're on your phone, you got to scroll down a
little bit, but you're on your laptop, it'll be right there.

Speaker 1 (02:36:14):
Good.

Speaker 5 (02:36:15):
Good.

Speaker 3 (02:36:15):
That is You mentioned pay, and that is a huge
thing because I was amazed, like during COVID, for example,
and all what was going on there, how many people
would comply just to keep their job. And of course
you're mentioning something more more dire about COVID, where they're
actually using protocols that are killing people, and yet people

(02:36:36):
would go along with it for the pay. They would
justify it all in their mind. David as well, I
got to provide for my family and I need this job.
And I'm just like, wh who am I living amongst?
Because most of them claim Christ in America still and
go to church, and you think like that, what are

(02:36:58):
you listening to from your pulpits.

Speaker 1 (02:37:01):
You don't think that God's your provider, that God won't
if you do that. What you're saying is that if
I do the right thing, God's not going to provide
for me. That's that's the antithesis of always see throughout
the Bible, God always provides it. You know, you may
go through some difficult times, that He's always going to
provide everything that you need. That's the promise. And if
you're a Christian, you've got to you know, you should

(02:37:22):
be believing God for the promise. But what that is
is is an act of denial of God, of disbelief
that God would be just and that He would honor
those who honor him. That that is a foundational thing
about your relationship and your understanding of God. I saw
a lot of people who they didn't have a moral

(02:37:44):
issue with the vaccine, but maybe they didn't understand that
aspect of it. I think there is a moral issue
to it, but that wasn't their concern. Their concern was
that it was this thing that was untested, uh, and
it was a situation where they had to take it
or lose their job, and so they took it and
then they were seriously injured and they couldn't do their job,

(02:38:04):
you know. And that's the other part of the trade
off with it that just didn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (02:38:09):
Made no sense whatsoever. Yeah. I have a son who
was in the military had a medical discharge, so he
has to go every year and get checked out by
a doctor. And in fall of twenty twenty, the doctor
he meets with is the same guy he always meets with,
and he says, can I get a letter from you
about not getting the shot, because at that time they

(02:38:29):
were talking about it and it hadn't come out yet,
and the doctor laughed at him and said, they're never
going to make anybody get the shot. Well, the next
year that he came for the same appointment, in September
of twenty twenty one, the doctor is there, same one,
and my son says, do you remember our conversation last year?

(02:38:50):
And he goes, yes, I do, and he goes, I
had to take my first shot in March this year,
and I've had nothing but problems within my body since them,
with severe back pain and other things. He said, so
much so, and he's about fifty eight years old, sixty
years old right in there, So much so that I'm
thinking about quitting my job because of how it impacted

(02:39:14):
my health. He said, But I just decided a week
ago I really need my job, and so I'm going
to get the second shot because it's mandatory to get
the second shot. You know, he's in the Veterans Administration.
And think of that, David, I just can't contemplate that
in my mind. Where is the trust in the Lord

(02:39:36):
like you're talking about and you know you look at
but this again has always been a problem. So few
people willing to stand. I mean, you know, you know
Bendigo and the other two Markt the only three young
hebrew Men and Babylon at that time. You know, there
were tens of thousands of them and three stood. It

(02:39:57):
was like what in the world. So yeah, as Christ
people especially named the name of Christ, we should stand
true to him the truth, and you know, interpose him
away on behalf of our neighbor.

Speaker 1 (02:40:11):
It isn't that always. It comes back to these same
fundamental things that Jesus hammered all the time. You know, fear,
who do you fear? What do you fear? Do you
fear a virus or a pandemic or disease? Or do
you fear God?

Speaker 5 (02:40:24):
And who do you trust?

Speaker 1 (02:40:25):
And what do you love?

Speaker 2 (02:40:27):
You?

Speaker 1 (02:40:27):
Do you love money more than your fellow man?

Speaker 3 (02:40:30):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:40:30):
Are you going to go through these procedures at the
hospitals and do this to other people or even do
it to yourself because of the love of money? That
is the key thing, you know. And it's just these
fundamental things that that everything else is built upon, and
it's really taking us down this path. I've talked to
people police officers who've been injured and can't work anymore.

(02:40:52):
I've talked to a surgeon who can't do it anymore
because his hand shakes all the time. It's just horrific
and there's been no accountability for any of That's the
other thing too, right as Christians, we have to also
if we've been injured or we've had loved ones who
have been injured or killed. I have a lot of
listeners who have lost family members, spouses and other things

(02:41:16):
like that. We have to understand that that justice is
with God and you know, and leave that with him
and actually move on and not let that eat at us.
We have to forgive that and move on. But we
don't see any justice at all. Coming from the government.
The government's job is not to forgive this kind of stuff,

(02:41:36):
but to have an accounting for it. And yet we
see exactly the opposite. The people who have been who
have been rewarded for this, the people who get to
run again for president, the people who are talking about, well,
next time, let's make sure that we get the money
from the mRNA to go into a sovereign wealth fund.
That's what what is saying yesterday. Yeah, all we're looking
at is the money. How do it next time? How

(02:41:57):
do we make more money out of this type of thing?
And there's no accountability for these people that she is free,
All these people are free. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:42:03):
And new schemes too. You know, we're going to get
a vaccine for cancer for mr.

Speaker 1 (02:42:09):
And AHS designed by AI.

Speaker 3 (02:42:12):
Yeah, exactly within forty eight hours.

Speaker 1 (02:42:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:42:18):
Oh, I can see him lining up for that one.
And you're just like, you have to speak out when
you see that kind of thing so people can understand
what's right and what's true. And unfortunately, you know, I
am a churchman. I pastor a church here and we
have you know, about two hundred and fifty people in
the congregation. And what I found is is most of

(02:42:38):
my fellow churchmen are absolutely silent on anything dealing with injustice,
whatever area it may be, in including what all went
on with COVID, so much so that you know, like,
there's a guy here named Scott Arrah who has a
case that hasn't been crust yet because most of them

(02:42:58):
have been. That's moving forward because they killed his daughter.

Speaker 1 (02:43:02):
I know, I've talked I've interviewed Scott many times. His
daughter and Grace. Yeah, my amazing grace I think is amazing. Yeah,
it's my amazing grace. Yeah, I've talked to him many times.
And that's a landmark case that could make a big
difference for a lot of people. Because one person stands up,
you get an FBI whistle who stands up, or somebody
like Scott who stands up and says, well, I'm going

(02:43:24):
to make sure this doesn't happen to somebody else. And
that is a landmark case because it's not simply about malpractice.
It's about the malicious acts of people who knew what
they were doing. And that's what we've seen over and
over again.

Speaker 3 (02:43:36):
Yes, absolutely, yeah, and so he'll tell you Nope, churchmen
want him talking about what happened with his daughter. Anyway,
that's how much how pietistic American Christianity has become. He
attends our church from time to time. He's two hours away.
He was just there last Sunday. Another man who took

(02:43:58):
his case because they wouldn't let him use IV he
was dying in the hospital, was there for months, his
family interviewed for him, with even public protests. Yeah, he's
come to Christ since then. He attends our congregation. But
so rare are the churchmen who speak out that people,
if they just spoke out on these things, would be
drawn to hear what they have to say and would

(02:44:20):
hopefully come to know Christ as their savior. That's right,
and these are important matters. I got to grab my
charging cord because my thing's about to die on you.

Speaker 1 (02:44:29):
Sure, absolutely well, why you do that?

Speaker 2 (02:44:31):
Why you do that?

Speaker 1 (02:44:32):
Let me read this comment from holistic nurse one who says,
fear is mentioned in the Bible over three hundred times,
and most Christians in name aren't reading his word. That's right.
How many times do you hear in the Bible fear not,
fear not, fear not, And you don't really understand who
God is if you're afraid you really don't. And if

(02:44:53):
you step out in faith and take these challenges, then
what that does is that helps to see God. You know,
when we go through these dark times and we step
out of faith to say, well, this is really scary,
but I'm going to do I'm going to follow God.
I'm going to follow these moral principles. What you find
is that God has your back. I've seen that over

(02:45:14):
and over again. I love the illustration out of John
Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress where there's a couple of lions on
the path that he's got to go through, and he
finally gets the courage to get up there close to him,
and he realizes that they're on chains and they can't
they can't get all the way to him. But we
understand that even if we get ripped apart by lions,

(02:45:35):
as many of the early Christians did, we understand that
that is not the end of things. And so it's
that understanding of what our relationship is with God and
what this life is. It's just a small little blip
before eternity. Those are the things that should keep us
from being afraid, aren't they? Are you back? Matt?

Speaker 3 (02:45:56):
Okay, good, I'm here yes, yeah, and I want to
the tender care of God for his people is seen
again and again. We saw it during COVID. I mean
we had one family, they had eight kids. The guy
worked for a company for twenty years, wasn't going to
go along with the fiction, lost his job. But God
used it all for good and we saw that with

(02:46:17):
several other people in the congregation lost their jobs because
they wouldn't go along with the fiction. And some of
them might have had a harder time for a short
time as you mentioned, but in the end they could
see the goodness of God and how that all played
out because of their simply being faithful to Him, trusting
in him. I remember when I was a young churchman,

(02:46:38):
David I left the denomination. I was a part of it.
It was a huge deal because of the money, because
of the job security, because of all that stuff. You know,
you're like, oh, this is a big deal. And then
you see God's care for you, and you just see
it again and again and again throughout life. Yes, and

(02:47:01):
He is so faithful in caring for his people. That's right,
and we just need to do right by him.

Speaker 1 (02:47:06):
Yeah. When we sold our video business because we wanted
to get out of the video business after we became Christians,
and I thought, all right, good, you know, and we've
put that aside. And then the money that we got
from it was the thing was a scam. The guy
was a con artist that had put the whole deal
together and we lost everything. I thought, wait a minute,
I thought I was doing the right thing, you know.
And what I didn't realize was going to happen was

(02:47:29):
over the next few years, as we were living from
one incident to the other, we saw God delivering for
us just in time, and that was priceless. There wasn't
anything that we could have gotten from that business.

Speaker 3 (02:47:44):
Ay man. And I've seen it time and time again
in my life. You read about the saints of old,
you know, they've written about God's care for them. And
there's a whole new group of people who name his name, who,
because of the whole COVID thing, have been able able
to experience that also and see the tender care of
the Lord for his people. It's an awesome thing, it is,

(02:48:06):
And there were so many silver linings throughout all of
COVID and amongst whatever evil's coming our way ahead. Because
I'll tell you, most people think you know we're getting
out of this all with going to the voting box
and drinking a latte afterwards and now living in a
fantasy land. If you're theologically driven, you understand innocent blood

(02:48:28):
is no small matter. And yeah, there's judgment upon this nation.
It's going to come. And you know we saw delay
when we read the scriptures and King Josiah being there,
but two generations later God brought his judgment. You have
to understand these things and people need and be the

(02:48:50):
most important thing we can do at this time, all men,
requentance and faith in Christ.

Speaker 1 (02:48:56):
I agree your audio is breaking up a little bit.
I'm not sure what is happening with that. But while
while you take a look at that, I got a
comment here from d G eight. He says, David spot On.
I trusted that God would provide a way. Doing the
right thing must be a priority in our life. Stand
up for your freedom. I know cops who did wrong
in twenty twenty and said I'm just doing my job. Yeah,

(02:49:18):
that's the sad thing that we have seen over and
over again. And that's the excuse that you can always
say that you don't have any responsibility. Well, you know
you're going to stand before God one day. You're not
going to stand before your supervisor, you're not going to
stand before the President of the United States, but you're
going to answer to God for what you did. And
that's the key thing that we need to all understand,
is that we're going to stand before God and we

(02:49:39):
need to, you know, have to give an answer for
what we did. Absolutely, let's talk a little bit about
another subject that you had out, and that is what
is happening with and I'm still getting a little bit
of audio issues there, But talk a little bit about
TPU and what is Talking Points USA that Charlie Kirk's

(02:50:06):
group and what is going on there, because I've talked
about what's going on with Charlie in the past, and
he's still doing the same thing. But he's talking a
lot about God, He's doing a lot of God talk,
and yet he's doing some things that are very contrary
to that that I find to be very concerning. I
think you do as well.

Speaker 3 (02:50:23):
I do, absolutely, yeah, And I can hear that noise too,
and I don't know what it is, David. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:50:28):
That's okay. We're good now, Yeah, we're good.

Speaker 3 (02:50:30):
Okay, Yeah, what happened here in Wisconsin. For example, was
you know, back in spring of twenty two, pardon me,
spring of twenty three, less than two years ago, we
had a big Supreme Court race, and TP Faith, tp USA,
tp Action, they're all the same thing came in and

(02:50:53):
they started running around all over our state. A man
named Scott Pressler. Scott Pressler is an open, unrepentant sodomite.
He's one of those guys you don't even have to wonder.
I wonder if he's a homosexual, because of how he talks,
it makes it clear. And he was, you know, led

(02:51:13):
the gaze for Trump, and so they're taking him. The
Republican parties allowing this to go on and participating in
it with tp USA and Charlie Kirk putting an open
sodomite on stages across our state. Well, I take great
umbrage with that. As a churchman, I preached a sermon
called Trojan Horse in the Republican Party exposing it, which

(02:51:38):
I had many Republicans tried to dissuade me from preaching
that sermon, both those sitting on the legislature, those retired
from the legislature, politicos, and whatnot. But no, our faithfulness
needs to be to Christ. And we had been helping
this guy get elected and now all of a sudden,
you have this open homosexual there. No, we're not going
to be silent about that. So then they didn't learn

(02:52:02):
from that. Instead, what they did is for Trump running
this last year for our state, they gave Scott Presler
five million dollars. Who gave him five million dollars? Oh,
that would be Charlie Kirk TPUs right wow, and the
group there in order to run him all over our

(02:52:23):
state to help get votes. And so while the latest
thing is is and it isn't just Charlie Kirk, there's
other pardon me, it isn't just Scott Presler, there's other
homosexuals too.

Speaker 1 (02:52:35):
Yeah. I remember there was something a couple of years
ago that he had he was touring and he was
at that time, he wasn't talking about Christ. He was
talking about culture war. And I remember, and I've played
it several times with several people who challenged him because
he had a guy that was a black guy that
was with him and they were both on stage and
they were saying, how does this help the culture war?

(02:52:55):
To have this homosexual with you there, right, and you know,
and he and they got very angry and said, well
we got a big tent and all the rest of
this kind of stuff. And now he's doing the same
thing with Scott Presler. We've seen this at mar A Lago,
you know, Maria Lago. They're welcome, they give awards to Milania.
They you know, the LGBT loves Millennia. They've trumpeted the
fact that they've got Rick Garnell, who's openly homosexual. Now

(02:53:19):
Scott Bessett, who is a Treasury secretary. And it's not
just that you know, well, okay, this guy is you know,
this is his personal life. We're not going to get
involve No, they're they're putting that out there as a virtue.
That's why this person is being chosen, same as the
left does, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:53:38):
Yeah. And so while on one hand, while Trump's talking
about how there's only two genders. By the way, I
already knew that before you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (02:53:44):
It, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:53:46):
Yeah, on the other hand, he's appointing to his cabinet
more homosexuals than any other president prior to him. That's
the duplicity. And Charlie Kirk is involved in the same
duplus during Christmas. You know, just last month, month and
a half ago, December twenty one, TPUSA, TP Action TV

(02:54:09):
Faith did a big thing. I believe it was out
in the Phoenix area, Arizona area. Thousands of people who
did they put up there, and they're all plotting him
and all shouting his name over and over again. Scott Presler,
the homosexual, the sodomite. So yeah, you look at these things.
And one he likes to Charlie likes to push these

(02:54:31):
videos where he speaks against homosexual marriage or even homo sex.
But then on the other hand, here he is putting
someone who practices that evil in positions of prominence, putting
him on a pedestal that should bother people and that
should be called to account.

Speaker 1 (02:54:50):
Yes, oh absolutely. You know, again, it says one thing
when it's being done by a purely political organization. You know,
you say, well, these people are working against the value
of Christ, and they're working against the family and all
the rest of this stuff. But whent it is somebody
who's got this organization says we're TP Faith, you know,
and he wants to he wants to talk about, you know,

(02:55:12):
put himself out there as some kind of an evangelist
or apologist for the Christian faith, and he does this
type of thing that takes it to a whole new level.
It does.

Speaker 3 (02:55:20):
Yeah, and so there needs to be called account I do.
And the vitri all you get from so many Christians
is stunning, including churchmen who are hooked up with TPUSA.
I'm always like, so I would like you guys to
expose where all your money comes from, because go try
to find out where all their money's coming from. Good
luck and you know, because usually when you can ascertain

(02:55:44):
where someone's getting their funding from, you can learn pretty
much everything you need to know. Yes, and where do
they get their money from? Because they have an unlimited supply.

Speaker 1 (02:55:52):
It is amazing. Yeah, five million dollars just for him
to go around. And we see this again with Awake
in America and I've you know, show him many times.
You know, Michael Flynn. They're at the Department of Events
back in twenty fourteen, their second Pride month, and he's
pushing Chris Beck, the guy that was pushed the Navy
seal who was pushed into becoming a trainee and now
has pushed back against that and said, you know, they
did this to me as an adult. Imagine why they're

(02:56:14):
doing the kids that are out there. But you know,
you've got all these people who now reinvented themselves, and
you know, the Reawakened Tour is just one of those
things he's going around. He's actually you know, plagiarized and
has he's got these they go to church buildings and
they got all these people there in this quasi religious
political ceremony, and he's got them reciting after him a

(02:56:38):
prayer from Elizabeth Clair prophet who is this new age guru,
you know, And and he's got all these people in
a building there's a church building, like it's some kind
of a Christian event, reciting this prayer to ascended masters.
It's insane what's going on.

Speaker 3 (02:56:56):
It is And that's the thing that bothers me most
about it at all, David, is they're using christ and
Christianity to fuel it, to pump it, to hoodwink those
who name his name. Yeah, and then there's the churchmen
sitting by silent when you know, we look at the
book come acts with the elders of Ephesus and you know,

(02:57:19):
Paul making clear to them you have a duty to
guard the flock. You have a duty to speak truth
and come against evil, and we don't see that amongst
the churchmen. Instead, what I've seen with many churchmen, even
some I had respect for, they get hooked down to
this whole Charlie Cook wagon train. They get paid massively

(02:57:43):
good amounts of money. Oh well, you know I've seen
to yourself, is it the money?

Speaker 1 (02:57:50):
Yeah? Yeah, I've seen this with media. You know that
people they're really ultimately hooking themselves to Trump. You know,
that's what this is really about. That's what Charlie Kirk
has done in a big way. And and so you've
got a lot of people who are afraid to criticize
Trump because they know a lot of people are going
to walk out of their church.

Speaker 2 (02:58:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:58:06):
You got people who do the news and they're afraid
to say anything critical about Trump because they know they'll
they'll turn you off, and you know, and and they'll
they'll turn you off and they'll flip you off. I
experienced that personally, you know. So it's uh, you know,
people don't want to look at it in an objective way.
It's become really a personality cult. And I think that's

(02:58:28):
what's really dangerous about it. As you point out, before
you knew there are two genders before Trump decrete it
with an executive order, and that's the key. So many
people out there are glorifying Trump for this, and I said,
why didn't we do this from the grassroots? I mean,
I never I never bowed to any of this stuff.
I was never ashamed to say anybody that, no, you're

(02:58:48):
not a you're not a. I haven't had any experiences
with that, but I wouldn't be ashamed to say that
to anybody. I'm not going to pretend that you're a
different sex than you are. I wasn't going to do that.
That's a real or well end tactic. But it's a
tactic to get you to submit to them. But you know,
even going to the pro life issue, Matt, so many

(02:59:10):
people were singing Trump's praises as he was trashing the
pro life movement, blaming it for mid term election losses
that I thought were predominantly the big, high profile people
that he got behind were people like doctor Oz And
it was the people that he put forward and he
pushed that were losing. And yet he blamed it on
the pro lifers and said, you know, well, I did

(02:59:32):
all this stuff for them, and then they abandoned me.
And I've said for the longest time, people need to
give God the glory for overturning Roe v. Wade. People
prayed about that for decades, and then when it happened,
they give the glory to Trump and he doesn't even
want it.

Speaker 4 (02:59:47):
He doesn't even want it, right, Yeah, And the GOP
has been pumping that fiction everywhere across the country, including
here are state Wisconsin that you know, we have to
stay away from the abortion issue.

Speaker 3 (02:59:59):
It's losing issue. Fifteen weeks, you know, ninety five percent
of the abortions has over again committed. That's when you
can start talking about having laws against it. Fifteen weeks
And it's such a lie. And you know, you and
I know, David, we've watched this for decades. The GOP
and the Conservatives ninety nine percent of them can't even

(03:00:24):
defend their position why they're against the slaughter of the preborn.
They've so politicized the issue in their minds that it's
an incremental regulationist endeavor that they can't bring themselves to
realize the fact that no, you can't even you don't
you power every time it's brought up rather than you know,

(03:00:46):
taking them to task and using it as an opportunity
to speak truth and to defend your preborn neighbor. It's
a it's about in this Garrett Boyle. When people listen
to his interview too, it's funny because up how he
was by the FBI told to look into pro life matters,

(03:01:07):
and he said, it was interesting because I'm pretty much
an abolitionist. He second when it comes to abortion, which
was interesting to hear because that's not a term many
within the civil realm would want to ascribe to themselves
at all, especially following the wisdom of the GOP and
what they're trying to peddle at this time for people

(03:01:29):
to accept.

Speaker 1 (03:01:31):
Oh, I agree, but it is like, you know, slavery,
because we're talking about personhood. I mentioned this yesterday, I
think it was or Friday. There was a mountain in
New Zealand that the Pagans there that basically gave personhood
to this mountain, and I said, that's the isn't that interesting?

(03:01:52):
And they have very very liberal abortion laws basically don't
punish people for anything in New Zealand, So babies don't
have personhood, but a mountain does. And it's not the
first time they've given you know, nature a personhood. They've
done it for a river, they've done it for a
park or whatever. Now they've done it for a mountain.
And so we just don't understand what it means to

(03:02:14):
be in the image of God. And I think that's
that's a key thing that we need to recover with
that and that is the personhood. And you know, we
talk about the lost opportunities. I said all through the campaign,
I said, you know, you could do it in a
positive way. You could There's a cartoon out there. I

(03:02:34):
don't know if you've seen it or not. It was
an animated film where this guy who was an ultrasound
technician witnessed an abortion. He was called and he didn't
know it was going to be an abortion, and so
he talks about what he saw, the baby being ripped apart,
and they depict it in a cartoon fashion. And you

(03:02:54):
could go with something like that. But you could also
take the positive and show how, you know, with forty ultrasound,
you could show how the babies are human beings. But
they don't do any of that stuff. They didn't use
the opportunity to show any of that stuff. You could
even go for the shock treatment. They could show what
the babies look like when they're ripped to pieces and

(03:03:15):
remove from the mother and they assemble them to make
sure they got all the pieces out. That would be
allowed and has been done by some candidates who ran
for office. They can't stop that, But none of the
Republicans would actually show what the murder process is. They
wouldn't show the results of it. They wouldn't even go
positive and show what life is. They just ran from
the issue. And it was amazing.

Speaker 5 (03:03:36):
This is yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:03:37):
Yeah, rather than coming out swinging, they cower. That's right,
and yeah, I've seen it times and that is a
good means too. The one you mentioned about someone running
for office at the federal level, they can show the preborn,
both those developing the womb and those who've been murdered
by the abortionists. Yeah, something we did back in two

(03:03:58):
thousand and two. We had a number of people in
our group run for federal office because then you can't
be censored, and they were able to show actual footage
of what the preborn looked like after they've been in
the hands of the abortionist, which of course, there are
no pretty pictures of murder, and so people would see

(03:04:20):
it for the awful thing that it is, and it
have a huge impact on them because most people have
been taught abortion is just the removal of some tissue
and cells, and it's very you know, discreete and clinical.
When they see the actual child butchered, it has a

(03:04:40):
visceral impact upon their minds and their thinking. So I
think it's very good to show those photographs. I'm always
reminded too of the story out of Judges, where the
guys concubine is, you know, mistreated by a pack Asodamites
all night long and chands up dying, and so he

(03:05:01):
ends up cutting her body into pieces and sends them
out to the twelve tribes of Israel. So they didn't
just see pictures of the atrocity, they had the actual
body part parts sitting in front of them. And what
was the response of the men of Israel. Four hundred

(03:05:21):
thousand of them rallied with arms and said, who's responsible
for this? That's the godly's response. What you get from
most Christians today if you show the photographs of the
murder per born is Oh, I'm offended, Yes, I'm offended.

Speaker 1 (03:05:37):
Dare you, dare you show this to me? Yeah? Yeah,
it is, well, of course we are, that's right. Yeah,
we know about the spirit of life that is in
human beings, even in animals. That's why you know, you don't.
It doesn't upset you necessarily to see a plant that
is broken and laying on the ground, but you see
an animal even that has been butcher that ought to

(03:06:02):
that has a visceral effect on people, and for justifiable reason.
And yet we've turned the other direction. We looked away
from this for so long, and we told people, don't
show us what this is. And that's the key thing.
People aren't doing anything.

Speaker 2 (03:06:14):
Now.

Speaker 1 (03:06:15):
You're in Minnesota, Is that right?

Speaker 2 (03:06:17):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (03:06:18):
Wisconsin? Oh okay, I was gonna say Milwaukee. You're right
in the middle. I was thinking for some reason that
you're in Minnesota. It's like you're in Tim Walt's land.
That's a really tough, tough place. But at least you're
not there. That's good. That's good. You're in Wisconsin. So
what is the situation there in terms of after Rovy
Wade has been overturned with Dobbs, what's the situation there

(03:06:39):
with abortion in your state of Wisconsin?

Speaker 3 (03:06:43):
Abortion. There were no murders here for fourteen months because
we had a law from eighteen forty eight. I believe
it was criminalizing any abortion. There was nothing at all.
All the death camps closed down, and then planned parentod
decided to, you know, push the envelope and we're just

(03:07:07):
going to act like the law doesn't exist. We're going
to open up and we're going to start murdering babies. Well,
of course, we were out there the first day and
the police made it clear that we're going to jail,
not them, And they said, do you even had the
police officers tell us there was a meeting with all
of us this morning that we're not upholding nine to
forty four. That's our state statue from all the way

(03:07:27):
back in the nineteen forties. We're not upholding that law.
So if any of those pro lifers, you know, tried
to intervene to protect the preborn in a real tangible
sense of locking the door or something, they go to jail,
and you protect the abortionist. Think of that date. Oh,

(03:07:49):
and we didn't have one magistrate anywhere in our state
who could do something, actually do something. We had one
in Madison area. Because the death camps are here Milwaukee,
and in Madison, we had a county official call upon

(03:08:10):
the police chief and the sheriff to arrest the abortion
is under ninety four because he has no power or
authority to make that happen, but at least he wrote
to them and admonish them to do their duty and
uphold the laws of Wisconsin. So since then, the other

(03:08:30):
death camps have opened up once they saw a planned
parentid was getting away with it. And right now there's
a case before a Supreme Court which still hasn't been decided.
It's been going on for well over a year now
in order to gut our Statute nine forty four, and

(03:08:52):
through the judiciary of course, and make it so like
there is no law against abortion even on the books
where we're at right now. Last year, a year ago this,
at this very time, I testified at a public hearing
brought by the Republicans. They wanted abortion to be outlawed
from fifteen or pardon me, fourteen weeks forward from there.

(03:09:14):
In other words, ninety five percent of the murders have
already taken place. And there were such scoundrels about it, David,
that they didn't just do it themselves because they could
have did it in the Assembly and the Senate because
they have the majority. They ran it as a bill
that would then pass so that the people could vote
on it in the state, kind of like let's wash

(03:09:37):
our hands of this and throw the preborn to the mob,
you know, and have mob rule because in the republic,
law matters and including God's law. Spend that way and
wants some civilization for nearly two thousand years, and what
they're doing is dismantling a republican form of government and

(03:10:00):
creating mob rule. That's raw democracy where the mob decides
you get to live, you you're going to die.

Speaker 1 (03:10:07):
It's wicked and they are cowards. I mean they at
the federal level typically they kick everything over to the bureaucracy.
They don't want to do their job. So at the
state level they kick it over to the to the
mob for a referendum. That's that's horrible. And of course
that they don't like the law, they just ignore the law.
We got less than a minute, Matt. Tell us again
what you got there in terms of people go to

(03:10:28):
get the book the lesser magistrate, you got a special
thing for them if they go to defy tyrants dot com.
And of course that the FBI whistleblower that was that
we talked about earlier. You've got that video there, anything
else you want to tell us about.

Speaker 3 (03:10:43):
Oh no, that was pretty good. If you do get
the book at def tyrants dot com, we throw in
a CD. I know that's our chake. We I'm old.

Speaker 7 (03:10:52):
School and I have to have something for sal self,
like I like them, We do send it. We have
a CD of a sermon I gave to the Mind
ten legislature. We just throw that in there for free.
Thank I gave that sermon back in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 3 (03:11:06):
You're the only state that still does election sermons. Had
me come in and speak on the doctor the lesser magistrate.
It's a powerful sermon.

Speaker 1 (03:11:17):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 3 (03:11:17):
It's a blessing to you. It's a good one to
give to your church min It's a good one to
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give you some stickers and some literature on top of
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Speaker 1 (03:11:27):
Also so great, and your book does change minds, It
absolutely does, and so thank you so much for what
you've done. It's an excellent book, folks. It's a fast read.
It is packed with information, it's not going to overwhelm me.
It's not like war and Peace or anything. It's a
small book and it's all there, and he lays it
out in a very concise, rapid way. Thank you so much,
Matt for what you do and again defy tyrants dot com.

(03:11:50):
It's where you can find the book on the Lesser
Magistrate and important vital understanding of what that's about. Thank
you so much, Matt, appreciate it. Have good day.

Speaker 3 (03:11:59):
Thank you, I bless you, David.

Speaker 1 (03:12:00):
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and control us. They're Commons project to make sure the

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