Fri Episode #2167: 12/26/2025 - Best Of Rebroadcast - The David Knight Show

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, welcome back, and joining us now is Wayne Morrow.

(01:09):
He is the CEO of the John Birch Society, and
he's got something I think is very interesting to talk about,
and that is Fabian socialism. You probably heard this term before,
but maybe you don't understand what it is or the
difference between it and the Marx and Carl Marx's approach,

(01:29):
and how much more dangerous it is. You know. For
me growing up, Fabian was a teen idol, and I
saw Fabian socialism as like, you know, what is that?
You know? But actually it's a famous Roman general. And
I guess Fabian's parents were Italian and I guess maybe

(01:49):
that was the namesake, or they might have been socialist.
I don't know, but anyway it is. It is important
to understand the distinction because they have very different tactics
that they use to achieve the same totalitarian goals. So
joining us now is Waynemorrow, CEO of the John Very Society.
Thank you for joining us, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Thank you, David, appreciate being here. And yeah, it's Fabians.
Much like the Console formulations, very little known about people
in their respective countries. It's sort of that secretive behind
the scenes group. You know, that's part of the plan.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
And you mentioned you told me just as we were
talking here, just before you came on. How you There
is also a book that the John Versus Society sells
called The Fabian Freeway.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes, exactly in that way book.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's a book we've written past and we
republished it.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
We have our own publishing cob called the Western Islands.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
And the Fabian Freeway is a book about the genesis
of the Fabians and how impacted our even our US
policies and our foreign policies.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
It all ties together. But it's a real good book.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
And it's about six hundred pages, so it's not a
quick read, but it's in depth, and I think it's
for people are serious students about history and what goes
on today. Surely I call we're the top of the
puzzle box. You know, now we understand what goes on.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
That's right, that's right. We'll tell us at atle bit
about us about Fabian socialism. You know, what was it
about that general that they liked and how does that
tell us about their tactics and how is it different
from Marxism.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, Anyway, the genesiss as you mentioned, Quintus Fabius Maximus.
He was a woman in general, very slow moving. He
was very you know, quiet, but he was slow and enforceful,
and much like the Fabians, took its name because that's
the process they want. You know, their moniker originally was

(03:45):
wolf in sheep's clothing, and they didn't.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Work over too well. I figured that one out for
a while and they said, now we'll go switch to
a turtle.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I think the Republicans Democrats could use that imagery as well.
Thanks a donkey and elephant, they could have a wolf
and for both they.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Had to change their monica because it wasn't going over well.
But you know, if you go back to the genesis
of it all, Cecil.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Rhodes and Lord Milner were involved in forming this elite group,
and George Bernard Shaw was certainly one of the members,
and the web Sydney webinall, and you know, they were
very open about socialism, and you know, the dispute they
had between Mars and in themselves was they wanted to

(04:29):
believe in the more the ethical, slow moving, educational route
versus violence, and so that was their goal. So you know,
they formed you know, the London School of Economics, and
out of that school, you know, they put in place

(04:50):
various key legislators in government and even in.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Our institutions around the UK.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
And they knew that by influencing public policy, it didn't
make any difference who was the elected official because they
were setting the policy. Anise of that today as a
matter of fact. Yeah, and so George Bernardshaw was. He
was also very large on eugenics. A matter of fact,
I don't have that video clip, but if you could
listen to the audio clip he talks about once every

(05:18):
five years, this is is this one we'd have to
stand it front this board to determine if we should
be living worthy of staying alive or not.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I actually said that, you know, so he's going to
imagine that.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Just destroyed my appreciation of my fair lady, right.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Can you imagine? And you could listen to them, believe me,
look him up. You can listen to video audio clip.
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
And you know, and so every prime minister, every Labor
Party member of the UK is part of is a Fabian.
And so the fabian's goal is is always has been,
as we call it, socialism with a slow walk to
Marxism and what they wanted to do is govern every
aspect of your life and forced globalism. So as you

(06:05):
see now today with Ker Starver, who by the way,
as a Fabian as well as the mayor of London,
you're watching it happened, the country being destroyed. And I
have podcasts with folks in London and I tell them
this is all to q this is exactly what the
plan is, to destroy their heritage, their history, to bring

(06:27):
in Usher and world government.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Now when you say yes, yes, when you say they're Fabians,
is there still an organization that they belong as an
active member like somebody would belong to the Joint John
Birs Society, So they actually society there?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yes, yeah, Tony Blair is a member of the Fabians,
you know, he's very active with it. By the way,
now what the World Economic Forum interesting? But if you
go online you can look up the Fabian Society. They
have organization in Australia. They are young Fabians, you know,
but they I mean they exist today and when I
speak to the British very few really understand the Fabians.

(07:08):
Liz Trust I met Liz Trust a past Prime minister.
I was at a CEO conference and I gave her
my card and I said, I'll send you a copy
of the Fabian Freeway.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Now she's actively doing YouTube phenomenous.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Not because they said you never mentioned the Fabians, Liz,
but you know, I think she knew exactly what they were.
But the whole thing was David back in WOODIW Wilson's
days when he actually worked with Colonel mandel House, another globalists,
they formed this thing called the Inquiry. In the inquir

(07:41):
was a group of men where British and Us and
they disguised how are we going to work together and
kind of really conquer the world as far as the
political agenda and then eventually total and so that was
a genesis of the Console and formulations. So the Console
formulation was just how in New York City they and

(08:02):
the Fabians work together as we speak today and setting
governance and policy. And they do that regardless what the
elections look like. They're behind the scenes doing foreign policy.
And that's why we always look at each other, why
doesn't everything change, Well, it's because behind the scenes, the

(08:22):
same folks have been working the agenda. That's what's going on,
and we have to bring the light to the UK
people as well as the United States that this group,
these groups are hard at work directing our foreign policy.
But our future it is for world government.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
It's nothing to do with freedom.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
A great and our job of the Birch Society is
through education to make people aware of who they are
so we know what to do. It's not mystical, it's
not magical. It's not a beauty contest when you elect somebody.
But we have to know the threats are real and
we see it today.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yes, it sounds very much like Antonio Gramsey. They father
the Italian communist parties strategy where he wanted to march
through the institutions. How is it different than Gramsey's communism
because and I mentioned Antonio Gramsey because Pete booty gay
is what I call him, because he's very proud of that.

(09:16):
But you know, his father has spent his entire career
at Notre Dame. That was really his specialty, Antonio Gramsey,
and he had him go to Harvard where he studied
under sac Van Berkovich, who was also very much a
fan of Italian communism. And he changed his name to
Honor Socco and Benzetti, and so you know, that I've focused.

(09:42):
I learned something about Antonio Gramsey because of Booty Gay.
But I also called him Booty Marx because that's really
where they're trying to take us. But again, it is
a slow march through the institutions. And so what is
a difference is that one of them was Italian and
the other one was predominantly English and American kind of Anglo.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, Gramsky was involved as an Italian. He was from
Sardinia and he was grew up in that area of farming.
Watch the farmer owners take advantage of the farmer workers.
He actually has a book called David called the Gramsky Papers,
Prison Papers, and that's about this thing I have behind
me in my library, and it was written on toilet

(10:22):
paper by the way to his sister, and it became
the Gramsky the Prison Papers. And Gramsky was, you know,
a threat to you know, the Nazis in Germany, and
that's why it was called the Frankfurt School.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
And Hitler tossed them out of the United States.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
They end up in Club University and and so the
goal then was then to doctrinate and reduced the morality
of young college students and shoved down their throat socialism, communism.
So now we have the professors from various institutions in
the country about remember that than the sixties, about the

(11:04):
hippie moving. All that was all coming from the Frankfurt
School through Columbia University destroyed. They knew they have This
is what Grahamsky said, David, I can't We can't destroy
the United States or Western societies. We talked to it economically,
that's hard. Yeah, we have to change them morally because
if we could do that, we can destroy the morality,

(11:25):
because that's the glule holds them together, then we can
destroy them. And that's the whole story with the Frankfurt
School which ended up in Columbia University. If you think
about it, where we are back in the forties to
where today, you can see the morality of.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
United States going the other direction. And that's all according
to plan, and.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
That's why they got so heavily involved in Hollywood and
the entertainment business as well.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Absolutely correct, and that's what happened. So they knew that's.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Exactly one of the key points that makes the United
States a Western civilization so strong is our moral behavior
and our beliefs.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
So that's what we see today.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
But that's the difference between the two, and so they're Marxist,
but they used that social element. They said Karl Marx
wasn't right. He thought economics is the only way. No,
we're going to have to do the moral end of it.
So that's they morphed it into another strategy, but it's
all the same. Man goal is toll slavery, and you.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Can see that very much in what Stock van Berkovich
focused on there at Harvard. Everything for him was a
product of Puritanism, and so we've got to overthrow this
whole the puritan roots of America, and we've got to
attack it at its foundation. But he was really what
he was trying to do was to attack the moral

(12:38):
foundation of the country. That's why he focused on that
so much. But everything he talked about was in terms
of that. You know, well this is because of the
you know, the Mayflower, and he's got to get rid
of that. But it is kind of interesting, and of
course we see other approaches as well. You had people
like Bill Ayers. Okay, Uh, they decided that they would

(13:04):
they said, well, we've had class struggles over you know,
for Marxism in Europe. Uh, that's not going to work here.
It's not working here that well, So let's go to
a race struggle. So there's yet another approach that the
communists have taken. They've got so many different prongs to
get all of them take us to the same hell,
don't they.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Roads, Yeah, we do the dirty work for them.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
We have you know, class struggles, men against women, that's
another big one, right now, children against their parents, black
versus white or Tan. It's all about it's all about
conflict and war. That's the you know, that's the that's
their goal because they need that to force more rules
and regulations in the government and less freedom. You guys

(13:49):
can't play nice. Okay, well, we're going to incite that.
And you know that Marxists knew that one of the goals,
and it's well written over a period of time, lots
of documentation on how that works. But that's the goal.
So they're playing to our frailties of humans. You know,
rich versus poor, Black versus white, Tan versus white Chinese, whatever,

(14:14):
doesn't make a difference because their endgame is world government
and they know that they can't have a lot of us,
So we have to we have to exterminate some so
I'll let those guys exterminate themselves. And that's what we see,
you know, And we're seeing that now in the UK
as we start a conversation about the Fabians. As I
talk to the folks in the UK, we're watching their country.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
And I used to live.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
There and work there in Oxfordshire, so I know the
country rather well. And I'm watching those folks being destroyed
by the invaders on purpose. But they're doing their dirty work,
destroying all their history and in terror and terror into
those folks in Ireland as well as the UK, and

(14:57):
they're concerned. But I'm seeing resurgence of the British citizen
rising up. It was about a month ago, you recalling
in London they had people marching with the British flag.
It wasn't two hundred thousand, David, we had people that
were there in the city. It was more like three
million people were there. And you'll see farmer trucks now

(15:19):
marching into London with their tractors. And they don't want
to be slaves. And I've talked to enough Europeans. They
don't want to be a part of the European ac
any long. They're losing their sovereignty. They love their history, David,
and they really respect and when I traveled throughout Europe
when I lived there, they really love their history and

(15:40):
they love their heritage. It's being destroyed systematically and it
does not work.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
One thing I wanted.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
To tell you, which is interesting, I found out talking
to several of the folks within past legislators. They tell
me they get their news about the United States in
two ways CNN and the New York Times.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
What was that? How you do?

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeahs yeah, you get to see CNN.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
I go, what is that doing over there?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know, I'm in a you know, I'm in Hungary
or I'm in Italy.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
I'm watching CNN. But that's how they look at the
United States. I said, well, that's totally upside.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Down, you know. Yeah. Well I had a friend who
worked in the Pentagon and you know, about twenty thirty
years ago, and when I talked to him, he said, yeah,
CNN is playing on the screen all over the Pentagon,
all the different rooms and everything. You know, Oh yeah,
that's a network. That's right, that's it's Uh, it's very
important that who you listen to. And you know, I've

(16:41):
always tried to listen to various sources, and I would
go to the I always preferred people who would tell
me what they think and why they think it, rather
than the people who try to be this mushy middle
like Time and Newsweek, you know. So I was always
looking at The Nation or National Review or something like that,

(17:01):
even though I don't support their views, I'd like to
see that conflict that was there because a lot of
times that would help me to understand where I stood
on the issue. So I try to get these people
that are opposed to each other, But most people just
go for something like Time or Newsweek or CNN, And
that's kind of the mushy middle that's out there by
the mockingbird programs that are out there for people. But

(17:25):
that's why it's very important for people to educate themselves,
and that's a very important thing that you do at
the John birs Society. Tell us a little bit about
the John Birch Society and how it's zeal We.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Started nineteen Yeah, we started nineteen fifty eight. At our
goal is education. You know, education is really critical for us,
educating people about American values. Our job is limited government.
So people call us far right. That's not true. We're
actually constitutional matters, some form of government, not total. All
the left is all the isms clee fascism right. And

(17:56):
our job is to teach American Americanism is not taught
anymore free courses online, the JBS dot org about teaching
about the Constitution, and we said, how do you elect
constitutional might, representative, state, local, or federal if you don't
know the playbook?

Speaker 3 (18:12):
So how do you hold accountable?

Speaker 2 (18:14):
And it's not taught on purpose, So now it becomes
a personality contest.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
We don't want that.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
So we teach people Americanism, and we give them the history,
and we show them who's behind the curtain, like we
mentioned the Fabians and the CFR, and who's foreign policy.
And once people know what goes on, that'si what we
call it a conspiracy. It's not theory any longer. But
the conspiracy says this. The first goal is to deny
its existence. Of course, so we said, look, let's expose them.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's not us.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
That's why I have a thousand books behind me, is
that over the course of time, it proves that they
does exist and they actually come out and talk about it.
It's interesting as we as we look through time and
look through history. I always go go back to my
UK experience where Augus Huxley was a Fabian. I go
back to that for a second answer your question. And

(19:05):
what happened is he was writing. This guy was a
young author write and all the information about what he heard.
He was so excited about it that he decided to
write a book. And he said, I can't use my
pen name. My name is Eric Blair. I can't use that.
I have to use a pen name. So I think
my name is George and or Joe George Orwell is
really the Eric Blair? And he wrote nineteen eighty four

(19:28):
about the Fabians. And the question becomes is why is
it in nineteen eighty four? Well, January fourth of eighteen
eighty four is the foundation of the Fabians. And they said,
with the one hundred years we have world government. That's
why that book's titled nineteen eighty four. Oh so's i'd
heard people say, because he wrote it in nineteen forty eight.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
But yeah, one verse, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I don't better because he was indoctrinated by H. G.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Wells and Aulex Huxley about when he writes about Big
Brother and New Speaker.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
That's all about the Fabians.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
And now that said Vogue, I'm saying, hey, look that
wasn't done as a science fiction. That was really his
telling you. And he couldn't, you know, hold himself. He said,
I have to really talk about this. That's why it's
and I believe that I personally believe that's why it's
nineteen eighty four. It's one hundred years of existence. And
of course I mentioned the consol On formulations is a

(20:21):
child of the Fabians, and now we have an American
version and we have you know, the European version work
in Unison. So our job is in BRTUS society is
educate people what's going on, to be personally responsible, to
elect constitutional moderates and constitutional minded representatives state, local, and
federal so we can we can.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Monitor not only our behavior.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
But go back to constitutional based law and not rule
by elitists.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
And that's what we see today.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, and so you know, and it's important for people
to understand how many different ways they come at us
in order to set up a to militarian government. They
have so many different tactics and strategies, and of course
one of those I think that you're talking about all
the Suxley and others like that, HG. Wells and Huxley.
The technocracy that was there, I mean, talk a little

(21:12):
bit about technocracy as well. That's really kind of coming
to us. People don't really know where to fit that,
you know, because it doesn't really fit into the left
right paradigm, and yet it seems to be on the
ascendancy as well. Talk about a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Well, well you know the story about technology, you know,
but ex have a fell used to be a member
of the birth side, whereas a CIA said, smile a
lot because your picture gets taken about three hundred.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Times a day.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, yeah, you go bank, grocery store, going a good gas.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
But technocracy is a tool for.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Monitoring and governance and that's why you c i AI
data data centers and know every little thing that you've done.
And they openly said this in the Bank of International Settlements.
They want to have this digital currency. We think a
monitor any of your expenditures from one hundred dollars on up.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
So I think it's determined by checking China.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
If you have a bad social score, then you're not
going to buy anything. So if you think about technology
is going to be their weapon or tool to keep
you in line. That's why I see it happening, and
they're doing it through a lot of different angles. It
looks kind of cool, but that's really the goal.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
One of the things I began the program with today
was talking about the fact that you know, I mentioned
all the time about how artificial intelligence is really going
to be a superpower for any kind of government tyranny
to be able to monitor you and everything you're doing
is you're just talking about, but also to manipulate opinion
as well. And that's why it is very concerning to

(22:44):
me to see that this latest executive order from Trump
that essentially presumes to prohibit any state laws that would
curb things that are happening with AI companies, because I
think what that would really happen would be with the
data centers. I think it's where the big conflict is
going to come. And you know that is the bottleneck

(23:06):
for them, and that would be one of the ways
that you could limit them to buy a little bit
of time to try to get some control of the
situation or structure to keep some of these things at bay.
But again to prohibit that at the federal level and
that is in direct conflict with a tenth Amendment. And
of course the Democrats will tell you that now because

(23:26):
they're not embower but as soon as they get embowered,
they don't care about a tenth Amendment either. But it
is really a real concern about this concentration of power
and the you know, the destructure of the tenth Amendment.
And of course the enforcement mechanism that is going to
run through is going to be to use financial carets

(23:48):
and sticks for people coming out of the federal government.
That's the way they always get around the tenth Amendment, isn't.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
It absolutely correct?

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yes, the technocracy, that's exactly what if we call technocracy, Yes,
the techno rats. That's where they use that technology, as
I call it, digital prison. That's basically where you're looking at, yes,
and that's kind of where we're at, and that's what
they're setting up. Digital prison. So you can't go any
words and do anything within your fifteen minute city whatever
you want to be, to monitor where you are and

(24:17):
so all.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Your freedom, they're constantly coming up with different justifications to
take us to the same kind of orwelly in hell
that they want to set up. And that's why. You know,
when you look at the Chinese kindness, many times I'd
look at them and say, okay, so are they Are
they really communists anymore? Are they fascists? Because they've kind
of merged economics and politics to a great extent there,
and it's highly nationalistic and all the rest of these

(24:39):
other things. So it's important to understand all these different strains,
but then to not get boxed in by any of them,
to understand these people mix and match. They'll take whatever
they can use me these different strategies. And you know,
when you look at them, if you were to construct
a ven diagram, it seems like they're all starting to
reach convergence instead of one little point of overlap, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, communism is just a tool,
that's all. It's a tool for global governance. It's not
to be all end all, just like any other religious
things that we see God, it's got nothing to do
with at all. Matter of fact, the men who are
globalists are not communists. They're not that's a tool. They're
not fascists, but they use that mentality. But it's all
the tool for world government. It's all going to come

(25:21):
through the United Nations, and you see the UN that's
the center point of it all. And we have a
magazine called the New American and matter of fact, we're
actually launching it in there called a New European.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
And I can show you this.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Oh good, yeah, Matt.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Here, David. These are little bubble diagrams. If you can
see this all these are all the UN offices in
the world.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
They're not just one location.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
And you know these rivers and brush, Yeah, what are.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
These people doing all these locations? Well, you're on the menu,
that's what's.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Going on, so you can imagine all those you know,
it's all over the United States. So I'd be happy
to send this to you. A New American magazine. We
have this one called the Global paragrab We did this
one and it talks and I show this around.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
The Australians and the New Zealands and U K folks
and the Lady and France.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
They were totally amazed the depth of the United Nations,
all these offices all over the world. Yes, and they're
busy carving up the world for global governance. So that's
our part of our job at the Burcha site, expose
what's happening through education and make it a worries it's
not too late, because it's more of us than them,

(26:33):
and they know that our job, their job is to
keep us off a message and looking at sports figures
or Hollywood or this or that at the same time,
they're destroying our foundational principles of freedom.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Oh absolutely, yeah. I've had Alex Newman on many times.
I've talked to Alex and a great guy there at
the New American, and I've had other people as well
from The American. It's great publication. And as you point
out with that map and you see all the different
areas where they have areas of responsibility in actual physical
locations and everything. I think that's the key thing for

(27:06):
people to understand is that it's not necessarily going to
be as you point out in Brussels, when you say, well,
there's the seat of Government or whatever, or the East
River or New York. It really is not so much
about that. It's about global governance. It's about this network
of different organizations that are out there. And that's one
of the things that I see about technocracy is really

(27:27):
that not just you know, the electronic networking that's out there,
but actually the political networking that is there and the
interlocking of these different financial interests that are out there,
so they can all have their own goals and things,
but it is all pushing us towards this global governance,
and the technology is really giving them power that they've

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never had before. That's the key thing that's really concerning me.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
So we saw that when COVID nineteen was a good
status of beta test for them.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
How you had the whole world on the control.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well, I'm sure they were absolutely laughing in amaze how
easy it was.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I know that happened.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I know I was absolutely astounded how easy it was
for them as well. And again I think you know,
you look at the stimulus checks and all the rest
of this stuff. That was training wheels for universal basic income,
which was something that Elon Musk has always been focused on.
When you had Andrew Yang come out so that he
was going to run for president and that was going
to be his issue, the main issue. He branched out

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in some other things later on, but as soon as
he came out and said universal basic income, Elon Musk
canted him a million dollars, you know, he wanted him
to push that idea. Well, it got pushed really big
in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Well, that's all part of the that's all part of
the program, the universal income to the un Yeah, of course,
it is the whole job that they want you to
be industrious. They want you to be collective, not individualists,
and we fight collectivism. We believe in individualism, not collectivism.
That's all part of the rule.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
There's a called the herd mentality, and that's exactly what
they need to control us.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
It's all that's the end game is.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
That world government, and they will determine, as I mentioned
early on, we started in the show George Manarshaw before
the Eugenics Committee, who lives and who dies?

Speaker 3 (29:13):
And you may not have that choice.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
If you're a strong crowd Christian or belief you may
not fit into it because they're amoral. They don't have
any beliefs. The state is their belief. You may not
fit into their program. If you can't be indoctrinated correctly,
you may be exterminated.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
And that's they're written about that.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
So it's these guys play for keeps and it's serious,
and our job has been to expose their.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Plan since the late fifties. Really what they want to
do it.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
They're very open about it, not more so than ever,
because they feel like young adults have been so indoctrinated
through the universities.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Of school that socialism is good. Like we saw the
last mayor race in New York City. Can you imagine, Yeah,
nothing's free.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
You know, the schools have indoctrinated that. But then we
also have the situation where you know, the gen Z
people are finding it very kids are finding it very
difficult to find a job, even if they go to college,
are finding it difficult to find a job. And that
is something I think that really drives this because again,
one of the things that socialism has always pushed out there,

(30:15):
I think is envy. You know, they find these different
at its core. I think like Salolensky, you know, dedicated
his book Rules for Radicals to Satan, and I think
at the core of it, there's all these different Satanic
appeals to the evil aspects of our nature, you know,
whether it's about greed, whether it's about envy, whether it's
about hatred, racism, tribalism, all these different things, and they

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identify these things and seek to exploit them with these
different approaches that they take. You know, and so that's
what I think is you have to be aware of
the tactics and the strategies that are there for ever
going to be able to defeat them. Otherwise we're just
putting in their hands, aren't we.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yess exactly and you're exactly correct. That's exactly what they do.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
They pit one group against another one philosophy because it's
all about conflict.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
It's all about the conflict that's critically important.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
But we have to identify what it is and expose
what it is that's really important, so we know the game.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
It's a sure aids.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
You remember they remember the movie where we had with
Julie Garland folly Iellovick road, you know, and all of
a sudden, who's the man behind the curtain? Don't pay
attention to him, But we expose who's behind the curtain,
you know, And that's really what it's all about. It's
really a plan. It's not done by accident. And we
see a lot of kubuki theater. But the thing is

(31:36):
is that we identify really what it is and to
tell you what, it's very difficult for people to believe
it because some of their heroes of the past.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Who are not good people.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
And I'm starting are the heroes of the present or
the president.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I mentioned by George Bernardshaw the guy was you know,
think about that one.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
I mean, I can go on, but there's a lot
of them, and they were not who they thought they were.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, he wrote Pigmilion, which was then turned into My
Fair Lady, you know, the musical on the play, and
you know, I enjoy the music with that, but yeah,
the guy who was there. And even when you look
at all these different science fiction novels, they've basically become
a blueprint for them. But when we're talking about how
that you like to set up conflict between different groups,
that's why I think we really need to have our

(32:21):
guard up about partisan politics, because that is another way
they do it. They don't just do it by race
or by sex or this or that. They do it
also with political factions. And you know, when people buy
into these things and start to excuse the actions of
their leaders, what they really need to do is to
look at the longer historical view and say, where were

(32:42):
the Fabian socialists trying to take us? You know, where
were the Gramsey socialist trying to take us? Where were
the Marxist trying to take us. And if the actions
of the person that's the hero of your party is
going to move us in the direction of these socialists
and Marxists, they need to pull back and say we're

(33:03):
not going to follow that, even though that's part of
our tribe here or whatever. I think that's very exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
You know, elections change governments, but institutions change nations. That's
really important. They actually famous even said that. They also
said power shifts from representation to management, and.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
That's where we are, no matter it's left or right.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
You know, in the politics scene, the policy being step
forward just to make a difference who runs back and forth.
It's all kabuki theater for us because they're not setting
the policy someone else's and we identify who they are.
That's really critically important. So it's all a big game
in front of us. But we have to identify really
who they are, what's happening, and that's all part of

(33:45):
what we do, educate people and making aware there's more
of us than them. But our job is to wake
people up, and sometimes they don't want to. They want
to hear about it. You know, our job is to
wake people. I've been telling really what's going on? Much
like the story gave to the UK folks. To Fabians,
I said, look, they're destroying your country on plan.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
It's not by accident.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
But that's why, you know, I question you, so, do
they still have a Fabian society that people belong to
because typically these things are done in secret, you know,
or quietly, so you have secret societies, you know, things
like the Masons or whatever, but you know people will
be members of this. But I don't think do we
have a Fabian society that you have politicians that are
part of here in the US or is it mainly

(34:27):
the CFR.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
That you'll see mostly the CFR. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly
what it's a it's more what it's a partner of
with the Fabians. So back to Cecil Rhodes and Lord
Milner and and you know Wiljow Wilson took Mandel House.
They had the thing called the Inquiry back in the
nineteen hundreds or so, and they formed this group and
they went to the United States and consol for Relations

(34:50):
born in nineteen twenty one, and they're going to set
foreign policy up marked through through David Rockefeller. And today
you have members of the cabinet. Forty fifty percent of
the people in presidential cabinets were part of the CFRAN
had Clinton and Eisenhower, all those guys were all involved
in the CFR.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
They knew exactly what was going on. So they were
carrying the water for the.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
CFR Policy Group, and that's exactly what goes on. So
it was all it.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Looked good, you know, but reality is one of the.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Stories goes this way. You know, every every year, every
year several years, we have an election. It's like when
you're in high school, you know, the president of the
student council, remember those back in high school. Yeah, and
by the way, I'm going to have longer lunch hours,
We're going to have less homework, right, And all of
a sudden they get elected, and who's running the show,

(35:40):
the super the principal high school never happened.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
And that's the story with the CFR.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
We have a beauty contest, which is a public you know,
either presidential election or congressional and then who's running the
show behind the scenes. It's really it's really those groups.
Those unelected bureaucratic officials are unelected, and we expose what
they are. We have that book called The Shadows of Power.
Another book that we published years ago called the Shadows

(36:07):
of Power exposes the Console on Formulations, War one or two,
Korean Vietnam, how they all morphed into all part of
the plan. That's called the Shadows of Power. So now
we do so. The Fabians is freeways about the Fabians.
The Shadows of Power is about the counsome formulations. And
once people look at history, they get pretty angry because

(36:30):
they know it's all been a theater for not for us,
but for them. Yeah, and they play the game to
make it look like you're running the show, but you're not.
You're just a victim of the globalst plan.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
I agree. And when I think of the John Birsch Society,
you guys have done a great job of educating people
about the Council on Formulations CFR stuff, and yet we
still have these people run for office and I think
you'll see them proudly list that as part of their
CV you know that, Yeah, a member of the Council
for Relations and its me. It's like I'm part of

(37:05):
the Satanic group over here. That it's you know, they
see it as a you know, because it really does
have a lot of uh pnash or whatever or clout
in Washington to be a member of that club, and
they're proud of it, and we need to call them
out on it, and we need to understand the history
of it. We need to understand really just how evil

(37:27):
the actions have been and how that has really been there.
So I guess in the UK they still have people
who are part of the Fabian Society, but here you'll
see it in the CFR and they'll be doing the
same type of thing.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Bill Clinton was a member of. Madam Albury was a member,
Robert Rubin was a member of. Cohen Larry Sommers, George W.
Bush was going on, Lea Rice, Colin Power, Robert Gates,
Harry Paulson, Brooke Obama was president, describing candidate Tommy Gaither,
Susan Rice, you know, John Bolton, Henry Master, and Mike Pompeo.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
I do on you. I see what's going on here.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
So they're in strategic locations to monitor and steer public policy.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
That's what it's going on.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
So when you see this, we hear the stump guards
of his Democrat Republican and you get to the same.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Place all the time, right, that's right, that's the key.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
And I remember when Reagan got elected, people were excited, Oh,
he's not CFR, you know, And I can't remember the
last time we had a president that wasn't CFR. And
yet what he did with you but CFR people in
all the different positions around him, you know.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Y's exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Well.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Trump is not a member of the CFR. I can
tell you that.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
So he's not a member, but he's got people around
and make sure this get too far off of the
script although he does.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
That's right, that's right, it's yeah. I think what Trump
is really as much as anything as the technocracy, because
these guys are writing the checks there. I'm very concerned
that you know, we all know now what the CVDC is,
and yet I think the same thing can be accomplished
with a stable coin, and they can make a lot

(38:58):
of money putting the stable coin out there at the
same time. So it's one way they can get rich.
They can get rich off of that, or they can't
get rich off of the CBDC. And since everybody's kind
of wise to the game of the CBDC, they don't
realize that stable coin is still going to have those
capabilities to be able to turn off your ability to
trade and do other things like that. Tell us a

(39:19):
little bit about the John Vers Society. I mean, I
know you guys have had a lot of fights and that.
Have you been hit with any kind of d banking
or stuff like that, because I mean I have, and
I've been kicked off of PayPal and Vemo and other
formats like that because of things that I was saying
in twenty twenty about the lockdown and the pandemic and
the vaccine, climate change and all the rest of the stuff.

(39:41):
Are you seeing that kind of debanking and deplatforming in
various places.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Well, sometimes we say that we get too much of truth,
that YouTube will take us down for a while or
something like that, and we'll come back on again. You know,
we don't have that issue with banking, say, but they
ignore us because they don't need an attention. We'll get attacked,
you know, we start to grow, so they try to
tell we don't exist any longer.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
That's when I first learned the John Birch Society was
when William F. Buckley, he was on a tear. Well,
I agree with these guys and not with Buckley.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
So he's a CFO. Remember, by the way, don't think
about it.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, probably as well so Sullan.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Bones, you know from Yale.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
You know, I go on.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
He was a good guy, right, yeah, sure, you know
his organization exists today. Don't look at don't listen to
those guys over there. Yeah yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
So that's why he was. He was a good guy.
That's why MPR had him on.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, right, people go we wrote a book about that
called the Pipe Piper of the Establishment. We wrote that
book Jackie mass Our, past president.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
You may have known him. He wrote the book about
Buckley and he was you know, he was all put.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Together to make sure that he steers the conservative movement,
their direction of the c f R, in which he
was a member of the CE. So you know it's like,
you know, as I said, it's not a matter. It's
all controlled, you know, it's and he was control opposition.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
He's a very poster child for that, isn't he controlled?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Absolutely correct? And people still hold him up as he
was some you know, super conservative.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
He was.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah, I remember, you know, wrestling ball really idolized him.
It was like you don't realize that this guy is
that that's kind of telling that anyway, it's a It
really is a great organization and I really do appreciate
what you guys do. And again, the the Quiet Ideology

(41:35):
reshaping policy from London Parlors to d C Power. Is
that a book or is that an article? Because that's
how I found out about about.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
That sounds like it sounds like the Fabian Freeway. That's
what it sounds like.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Okay, that's the title over.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, the JBS has been around for a long time.
We have area chapters. We educate people on the voting
record of their representatives, and so we try encourage people
to be active participants in the process. How do you
change your representative, David is if you don't understand the
constitution or at least go visit them, say why did
you vote on constitutionally?

Speaker 3 (42:12):
So we have this thing.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Called the scorecard we printed out every quarter and it
talks about the voting record constitutionally. We picked them on Congress,
you know, Senate as well as the House on where
they are, so people know if they're voting constitution or not.
And it's our personal responsibility as Americans to uphold member
the REGI representatives work for us and say hey, why

(42:35):
are you voting this way?

Speaker 3 (42:36):
And would they have not?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I mean, representative called me and said, no one ever,
very rarely calls me on the phone and talks about anything,
and so we can't it's not you know, we can't
sit back. And I said, and one day we have
a handsome young conservatives show up in Congress. It doesn't
happen that way. Yeah, So my biggest goal is to
fight complacency in Americans.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
And life is too good.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
And even though the economics today is hurting them now,
they're listening, but life is too good and they have
to you know, we have to get behind and spend
a little time protecting our sovereignty and our freedoms. But
we have to know who we are first, and that's
what we try to teach Americanist principles and hold up
representatives who work for us and make sure that happens.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I agree, yeah, And that's what I liked about the
John Verse Society was the focus on local activism as well,
and you know, knowing what is happening locally in your
state as well. And I've seen what you're talking about
in terms of representatives who say nobody ever calls me.
I saw the power of that, and I've talked about
this on the program. When I lived in North Carolina,
I was involved with homeschooling, and at that point in time,

(43:49):
all of North Carolina's government was Democrat Democrat House and Senate,
as well as the governor and all the rest of stuff.
So they decided, the teachers unions decided that they were
going to shut down homeschooling, and it looked like they
were going to be able to do it because it
was all Democrats and an active minority of homeschoolers, which

(44:10):
was really small at the time. There wasn't a lot
of people homeschooling. There's so many more who were doing
it today, but everybody got actively involved and started writing,
and it made them look so much bigger than they
actually were and actually beat down the teachers' unions in
a Democrat state that were going to try to regulate
homeschooling out of existence. And so that was a very

(44:32):
important first hand lesson to learn. But it's difficult to
get people to do that. And that's one of the
things that John Birch Society does, I think is excellent,
which is to educate each other about what is happening
locally within your state and how you can take action
at a local level. I remember probably my earliest memory
of John Birch Society was to support your local Sheriff stuff,

(44:55):
being concerned about the federalization of the police. And that
is something that is now really escalating, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, yeah, we actually have we have that group, it
still exists called support your Local Police. We want to
keep them independent that federalized. We have a group, we
have an affiliate, not for profit called.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Support your Local Police.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
And we also have a you mentioned school with the
homeschool we've been in existing for fifteen years called the
Freedom Project Academy.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
He goes from kindergarten high school. We have live you
know education of.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Course online or you can buy a recorded version of it.
And that's been around. So we're educating all over the world.
Adults are having their children signed up to really Americanism
who we are not fabricated history, And we're teaching how
the kids how to write cursive and do math or

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read books.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
How about that for a change. And so we yeah,
it hasn't happened in above the school, I can tell
you that.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
And we spend more time in education than social learning.
But the thing is and it goes you mentioned Alison
want wrote a lot of books about that.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
But the thing is is that so we look at
education where.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Our children, our adults bring into view really who we are,
what we're all about, because we've been indoctrinated and we
know that brainwashing has existed through all the mass media, David,
all the mass media, as you know very well, because
you're in the media business, that's all controlled by.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
The Console and Foreign Relations. Every one of those.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
New York Times other networks, including Fox, is all controlled
media and they all say the same thing, same to deal.
So guess what, that's the only thing you hear, that's
the only thing you believe. So we said, no time out.
Let's talk about reality here. And it's hard for some
people to swallow. But once you've been red pilled, all
of a sudden, the world changes, like now we see

(46:47):
what's going on here. So that's our job in the
Burch's side, we did.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
With kids with school. You're right about the law enforce
and we want to keep them independent.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
We teach the constitution, We get people involved. It's about
education and get people activated and evolved.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
That's really important.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
I absolutely agree, get.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Activated and involve, and that's how we save our country
as well as the people over in England. They see
the problem now because they're watching their country be destroyed.
And I mentioned the Fabians we first came on because
that's coming tottractions.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
For the United States. What you see in Europe as
coming to attractions for here.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Oh yeah, delayed just a little bit. Yeah, it's a warning,
that's right. Yeah. And so you know, getting back to
the federalization of the police. You know, we look at
these things and we say, okay, even if you like
the guy who's doing it, and even if you agree
with the stated goal, you have to look at this
and say you have but that policy is going to
establish a precedent of the federalization of law enforcement, and

(47:44):
so I know where that leads, right, So we pull
this back. Okay, So let's walk this back, and we
have to oppose this even if we agree with the
stated purpose. That's the wrong way to do it. And
it is so important that we not sacrifice the that
the the uh you know that the means does not

(48:06):
it's not just that the end is not just by
the means. That's how these people always get us there
and and it's understanding those principles and what America is about,
understanding the Constitution and what that's about, and why those
things are there. There's important safeguards against tyranny. And understand
that if we wipe those things away, because it's going
to make it more expedient for us to achieve this

(48:28):
particular policy goal, we are going to pay the price
along of them, aren't we.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
A nationalized police force is one of Marx's one of
Karl Marx's plan, and so that's where we're trying to avoid.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Keep them local and independent.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Your sheriff is a very important person in your county,
very important person. And I always I encourage people to
know who the sheriff is and talk to them and
making sure that you understand and they understand about America's
principles and our rights and they have.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
You have to know who the sheriff is.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
So they know who you are, much like a legislators
and state legislare. You know, go back to our basics
of our country, our United States, where form is independent states,
sovereign states. Over a period of time, David, that we've
given the states have given power from themselves to the
federal government. That's not the way it was supposed to operate.

(49:19):
The government supposed to defend use against public and domestic enemies,
you know, and that's very limited powers. Look at our
gole one section of the Constitution, very limited powers. Congress
has right and government, and so we have actually given
more power to the federal government. Why it's all upside
side and distorted today. So we spend time with our
local legislators in each state to make sure they would

(49:41):
pull the constitutional responsibility. Each state has a constitution. The
word democracy does not exist. It's always a republic.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
That's all. Another thing we teach people that word does
not appear in our constitution or any state constitution. And
people don't even know that.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
And I said, you have to understand states are sovereign.
Make sure you mate. This is where it begins. So
if you look at our history, it was done with
that phenomenal idea to keep them sovereign, independent states. So
those basic things I just said to you. Most Americans
I talked to do not understand that.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, they don't understand all that's right, Absolutely do not.
And it's so important that we do. We understand the
foundation of principles and why these things were set up
the way they were actually is a good plan, you know,
even though the Constitution has completely violated, it's still a
good plan, and we should try it someday in our lifetime.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
I think it's like the Ten Commandments. It's not the
ten suggestions, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
That's right, that's right, and they all say.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
The Constitution you have to know it before you get
hold it, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
And everybody pretty much, whether the local or state or
especially federal, they take an oath to the Constitution as
a requirement of their authority, and so when they violate that,
they no longer have a legitimate authority. But they do
have a lot of power, and so we need to
understand that we and have power collectively. And that's one
of the things I think the John Birch Society does

(51:03):
bring to the table. Thank you so much for joining us.
It's been a fascinating discussion. Mister Morrow. Wayne Morrow, Thank
you Wayne Morrow, the CEO of John Birch Society. Always
great talking to you guys. We're gonna like a quick break, folks,
and we'll be right back on talk a little bit
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Welcome back, folks. We got a lot of comments. And
Jersey Boy thank you so much for the support, he says.
Can you please ask if you've ever heard of William
Cooper who wrote behold a Pale Horse.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I'm sorry, I didn't see that comment at time. I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 (54:00):
And does he know about Jimmy from Brooklyn, who JBS interviewed,
who I'm trying to get on your show.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Okay, well, Goad, I'm sorry I missed that. I'm very sorry. Yes, apologies.

Speaker 8 (54:12):
Owen sixty one, thank you so much for the support,
he just says, thank.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
You, well, thank you, Owen, appreciate it. Yes, thank you
so much.

Speaker 8 (54:18):
And Jersey Boy again says I remember a few years
ago from JBS and email history of and I need
to history of Republicans. It was started by a communist?
Does he know what it was? And what does he
think of JFK.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
You know, it's interesting. A book I really enjoyed was
an alternative history book by Harry Turtledove. He's written a
lot of alternative history books and this one was about
the Civil Wars called How Few Remain And in it,
you know, you may know the history that Antietam as

(54:51):
Buddy as a battle was nearly was. It could have
been a victory for the South, except that one of
the couriers dropped the orders that he was carrying and
they fell into the Union's hands. And so in his book,
guys say, hey, you dropped those orders, Better pick those up.
Can you imagine why would happen if the other guy's

(55:13):
got that right? And so that causes an early end
to the war, and pretty much all the major figures
of both North and South survive, and the causes the
early end of the war and the South to gain
its independence. And in his alternative history, Lincoln is entirely

(55:36):
discredited because he lost the war, but then he makes
a comeback as this book is picking up a couple
of decades on. At that point in time, I think
he's got Stonewall Jackson as the President of the Confederacy
and Lincoln makes a political comeback as head of the
Socialist Party. And that's one of the things that made
that book so interesting was he really did understand these people,

(55:59):
what motivated of them, and the things behind them. And so, yeah,
there was an early connection with that. And if you
look at I always think about the Pledge of Allegiance
that was put in by the Grand Army of the Republic.
Most the veterans, especially if they were well known or successful,
played an important part in the war. They got very

(56:21):
big positions and the subsequent governments that were there, and
the Grand Army of the Republic, which was the organization
of Civil War veterans for the North, had a tremendous
amount of influence. They were the ones who instituted the
Pledge of Allegiance and it initially did not have under
God in it until the mid nineteen fifties. And so

(56:42):
the emphasis was on one nation indivisible and that you know,
very harsh with that. And the pledge was done with
one arms extended out palmed down, just like the Nazi salute.
They changed it to hand over your heart because the
Nazi salute. But yeah, socialism and a lot of other

(57:04):
things were there, and the as well as the concentration
of power and really talking about the destruction of the
states as sovereign entities and the understanding that the states
had created the federal government. All that stuff disappeared with
Civil War. Go ahead.

Speaker 8 (57:22):
We have usernames zero, one, two, three, four, five, six,
eight nine, AI will be kosher and DEEI. Nivoduru twenty
twenty nine says we have the best government money can buy,
and that's a quote from Mark Twain. And they spend
more and more every single day. Pazanovante seventeen seventy six

(57:42):
ask the guest his take on war Gaza. Trump's anti
semitisms are in the Heritage Foundation's Project Esta Apologize.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
I didn't see that.

Speaker 8 (57:50):
Yes, the conversation was too good, Goldsmith says. Curiously, people
often claim Marx was focused solely on economics, but his
entire worldview was cold, based on envy and hate.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah, conflict, Yeah, like go and dialectic. That's why you know,
we can we have to look at the different ways
that they divide us. You know, it's very explicit what
Bill Ayers and burning door and weathermen wanted to do.
They wouldn't have a race war. Marx focused. The thing
about economics was there, but that was really a class struggle, right,

(58:23):
and the economics was a part of that class struggle.
But it's always about dividing us. And that's why I said,
you know, we're to very careful about the Republican versus
Democrat thing, any kind of division that they can use
like that. And when we attach ourselves to a different
ethnic group or different political group, these different types of things,

(58:47):
those attachments draw us away from the principles that can
be the bulwark against this kind of socialist hell that
they want to put us in.

Speaker 8 (58:56):
And Mama c. Nineteen ninety six, as I never learned
so much as when I was homeschooling my kids.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
That's right, that's right, that's excellent. And that was the
thing that I really missed about it. That was where
I put all my effort before I had the show.
As a matter of fact, that was at one point
it was kind of bothering me because I was filling
in for Alex at the very beginning. He said, you know,
there's gonna be millions of people listening to you. I said,
don't tell me that I need to do that right now.

(59:25):
But because I was not very much into public speaking
or anything like that, and I said, no, the way
I think of this, and that was in his original studio,
which was really small and intimate. I said, the way
I think of this is I'm talking to the guys
over there running the board. I could see them, and
I said, I'm just thinking, like I'm doing homeschooling with
my kids. So I said, don't talk to me about

(59:45):
millions of people listening to that'll freeze me up. So
that's the way I always looked at it, and it
was such a wonderful thing because it gave us an
opportunity to go back and look at content that was
compelled on in the schools and to view it in
a different way. And that's one of the things I've

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always said about biology and evolution. You know, when it's
taught to us in the schools, it was always dumbed
down into skeletons and death. Right for the evolutionist's death
is the thing the engine of creation. For us, it
is the giver of life. And we didn't look at
comparative anatomy skeletons. We looked at the unique design of

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each and every animal, and that was the thing that
was so fascinating. So it really is a blessing and
an opportunity. I hope if you have the opportunity, you
take that to homeschool, your kids have a good day.
Thank you.

Speaker 9 (01:00:40):
You can take a photo on a phone, there is
machine learning in the background.

Speaker 10 (01:00:44):
Highest quality video capture ever in a smartphone.

Speaker 9 (01:00:47):
In the metaverse, we're going to need AI that is
builder on helping people navigate virtual worlds as well as
our physical world with augmented reality.

Speaker 11 (01:00:56):
Augmented reality is a profound technology.

Speaker 9 (01:01:00):
It's like your position in three D space, your your
body language, facial gestures, and we invented new intimate ways
to connect and communicate directly from your risk everything from
virtual reality to designing our own data centers.

Speaker 8 (01:01:16):
Describing what's coming even it's just so different in you.
I've been in this infrastructure business for three decades.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
No one has ever seen industry yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:01:24):
And now I expect that these trends will only increase
in the future.

Speaker 12 (01:01:29):
And in the last few months, we launched voice and
vision capabilities so that chat GPT can now see here
and speak courts up to one hundred and twenty eight
thousand tokens of contexts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
That's three hundred pages of a standard book.

Speaker 11 (01:01:46):
That's all AI generated.

Speaker 9 (01:01:49):
Actually, let's add in some alto cumulus fuzzes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
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only two possibilities for AI. It's either going to collapse
the economy if it doesn't work out, or if it
does work out, the use case is to take everybody's
job and make everybody's jobs obsolete. Not a good prospect.
If those are the two choices that are there. I think, though,
that there is a third choice, and that is that

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the government maybe it won't take everybody's jobs, and maybe
it won't collapse the economy because maybe the AI bubble
won't burst, but we will live under a dystopian control
surveillance grid because that's what the government will use it for.
So there's a third alternative. AI's killer use case, folks,
is surveillance and control of us. And that's why the

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government is going to be so desperate to fund it
whatever it takes. If you want to know why gold
and silver and bitcoin are soaring, it's the debasement of
the dollar in order to fund the AI arms race,
they said. And of course energy is the reality factor
in all of this. That's where it gets real. And

(01:04:55):
that's one of the reasons why Bill Gates and others
are moving back away from the climate MacGuffin. The plandemic.
Mcguffin gives them all the justification that they need, and
they need to have this surveillance control and ID this
control grid that is there. They need to have that,
and they need to have artificial intelligence to run that.
So they're pulling back from that because in order to

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have the AI control structure, they've got to have massive
amounts of energy, all right, And joining us now is
doctor Richard Restak, MD, and he is a neuroscientist as well,
and he has written a lot of books on the brain,

(01:05:38):
and now this is one kind of the nexus of
our brain and artificial intelligence. So I wanted to get
him on because we, as you know, we talk about
AI and its impact on society quite a bit. Thank
you for joining us, doctor Rustick.

Speaker 11 (01:05:53):
I'm happy to be here. Thank you, David.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
You've written so many books and best selling author and
of course people can bind this on Amazon. You've written
so many books. What is different about the brain? What
is different about this one? And why did you write
this book?

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
I wrote this book to announce and to discuss the
dangers that are lurking so to speak, in the twenty
first century and are unique to the going first century,
but are having an effect on the brain, and a
negative one, so that we really are imperiled by eight
different factors, one of which is the global warming, and

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we have new diseases that are present in the twenty
first century that are increasing, starting with COVID and moving forward.
We have problems to course with the global warming, which
we'll talk about more detail, and then the Internet, the
effect of the Internet, the effect of AI memory, the alteration,

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the attempt to alter memory, almost to alter our memories
of what the past like. This is an ongoing enterprise
by various governments of the.

Speaker 11 (01:07:05):
World, including our own.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
We also have surveillance a seventh a surveillance becoming increasingly
a surveillance society. It's almost impossible to not be revealing
things about yourself because there's surveillance cameras everywhere.

Speaker 11 (01:07:23):
I can give you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
Several examples, not just in my own personal life. And
then finally, the eighth one is anxiety. All of these
things are creating what I call an existential anxiety. People
are being given information, but it's being molded according to
the thoughts and the inclinations of people in power. For instance,

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let's take today's right out of New York Times. On
page A seven, there's an article called the air in
New Delhi is life threatening and it tells the tale
of the New York Times reporters who have spread themselves
throughout New Delhi from six am until late in the

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evening of a certain day recently, and they measured the
particulate matter in the air, and it was anywhere from
ten times to thirty times as great as would be
considered minimally normal. Now on top of that you have
the statement that they state that the government is actually

(01:08:30):
trying to hide this kind of insight to the populace
by spraying water and other things like that. It says
that they're doing this around the measuring stations. They're also
losing data from measuring stages during the worst outs pollution.

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So there you have the molding of the facts, either
denying them all together or trying to improve them. So
people say, oh, well, they may down it such and
such a measuring state and it was really not a
lot of high. Of course, they were spreading water and
other things to try to reduce this. So we've got
a capitalist society here in the United States which has

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invested interest in pushing forward certain scientific points of view.
So science is being put in the back seat. And
as politicians and other people, all of whom share one thing,
capitalistic enterprises in which they're part of, for which they
are advancing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
And a kind of crony capitalism where they can get
protection and subsidies as well, and the control is being
taken away from us because as I was just reporting
earlier today, they're working very hard to make sure that
state and local governments can't enact any control on artificial intelligence.
And that came up in the context of talking about

(01:09:58):
how the manufacturers of tasers also big manufacturers of police
body camps, how they want to wed that to artificial intelligence.
And the question is, you know what could possibly go
wrong with that? If they identify you, they misidentify you
as a dangerous criminal and warn the police about how
dangerous you are, they could get people killed.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Well, not only that, but all of these efforts set
up a sense of anxiety, yes, and fear. Let me
tell you what happened to me one morning, called a
cab to go to medical appointment, and we've started going
down the road. I said to the driver, you know
you're not going the most efficient or the quickest way.

(01:10:40):
He said, I know that, he said, but I don't
want to go that way because they're speed cameras. I said, well,
you know you're driving very sensibly and you're not speeding,
and I'm in no hurry. So what's the problem. He said, Well,
they take pictures of everybody that goes by those cameras
because they want to see who's in those photos in
those cars. So I asked him to give me a

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reference for that, and he got set of didn't say
anything else for the rest of the trip.

Speaker 11 (01:11:07):
So when I got down to the medical.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Building, I got in the elevator and said, in this
facility there is surveillance, both obvious and hidden.

Speaker 11 (01:11:19):
And the third you know, this is one morning.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
And then when I got up to sign in, I
signed the board with an electronic ben and I didn't
see you go, no signature, So I said, well it
didn't take. It took, but we don't know it to
go on the screen so it could be seen. I said,
why is that? Said, well, somebody who haunts you might
see the thing and then remembered and use your for

(01:11:44):
your signature to forward something somewhere. Well, first of all,
there was a sign that said stand ten feet back,
and secondly, there's nobody else behind me. So there's three examples,
just drawing it random that were becoming an increasingly veiled society,
which is creating a sense of paranoia and a sense
of fear. So the brainin has to adjust to these

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type of things data and it's very hard to do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
And I think that is calculated. You know, they've been
they wanted to do this even to the extent and
when you talk about these cameras taking everybody's picture, the
flock network that is out there, this corporation that is saying, well,
we can do whatever we want because it's in public
space and you know we're we're not government, so we
can collect this information. And yet they collect it in

(01:12:32):
order to sell it to the government. So it's just
one level in direct but they not only grab your
license plate, but they also do a complete profile of
your car and all of its idiosyncrasies. Is it have
a dent here, does have a scrape there? What about
a bumper sticker? So it creates a model of your car,
and so they almost have like, you know, biometric identification

(01:12:53):
of your cars as well as of you. And this
is now made possible because of the advances of AI.
But this has been something that has been concerning me.
I look at things kind of from a libertarian perspective,
and this has been concerning me for a long time.
The idea that government is using technology, many different ways

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of Internet, social media, things like that, to monitor and
to manipulate us all the time. And to me, artificial
intelligence just puts this on steroids, and so I think
there is something to be anxious about. If we're going
to look at this, we should be concerned about it.
Maybe not anxious, but we should be concerned about the

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goals of people who are putting this kind of stuff together.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
So yeah, well there's that, and then there's if you
can manage to change the present, you can manipulate the future.
Of course, is the real way to get it is
to get control of the past. Is Warwell pointed out, Yes,
you control the past, you know you can control the present,
and by the implication control of the future. We're seeing

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alterations of materials, even government documents, government films, documentaries, things
like that are being altered in ways that are not
visible I should say detectable, not detectable to the ordinary person.
So they get ideas about what the past was like

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which are wrong and don't show you. As I mentioned
in the book, if you were at a dance eighteen
fifty before the Civil War and it's a film or
watch Let's say we're watching a film about eighteen fifty
and we're seeing people ballroom dancing all that, and then

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one of them pulls the side and pulls out a
cell phone and you say, wait a minute, we didn't
have cell phones in Well, you know, there were a
lot of things that were going on now that we're
not going on in the past, and it's not too
our advantage to try to pretend that they were.

Speaker 11 (01:15:00):
Aren't.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
We have to understand the past, understand the future, and
we're not only creating situations that are false, but we're
also like in nineteen eighty four, or Well created a
character called Commander Olov. He was a war hero, he
got all sorts of medals, and it was all the

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products that were all told to honor him and so forth. Well,
he never existed. He actually was made up entirely. And
that's one of the things that the narrator is doing
in the job of work, is filling in photographs see
Concerting Olivy into historical events that happened, wartime scenarios, etc.

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Anyone reading it will say, wow, this is some man. Well,
he was a complete fabrication. We're just about at that
point with Sora out, the the AI out.

Speaker 11 (01:15:57):
Well, it could take you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
And had you, you know, to say, let's get to
David Knight and have him leading some sort of a
parade or whatever, and you know, suddenly people say, well, gosh,
I saw with my own eyes. So what's happening is
that the actual seeing is believing is being turned on
its head. So that's no longer true.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
You're talking about a completely fabricated character out of Orwell
it's just recently they had Tillie Norwood, who is a
completely fabricated AI personality, and the person who came up
with it is got agents representing her. They got her
out there as an actress. I mean, it's like, so
I've created an AI actress which will do a lot
of different roles for you. She probably does her own

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stunts as well. I'm actually met people in SAG, the
screen actors Gil and and they furious about this. And
I said, any agent that this AI character is not
going to do any business with us, but we're already
at that point. It truly is interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
Yeah, and one of the ways of neutralizing it is
to create the situation that exists right now between you
and me. You're laughing and I'm laughing because it seems funny,
and it is funny, but it's a very serious purpose
behind all of this. Yes, it's all hatter to try
to alter people's perceptions so that they begin to doubt
the varietity of what they're seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
That's right, yes, And I've talked for the longest time
about how the whole idea for the Internet was created
by DARPA psychologists, and I've been concerned that it was
all about the psychological manipulation from the get go with
all of this. But as a physician and as a neuroscientist,
I'd be interested in your take on, you know, what
is currently going on, because besides manipulating the past by

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changing information about the past or you know, memory holding
it or writing a new alternative history of it, they
are also concerned. And there's been projects that have been
put out by DARPA, and I don't know if they've
been successful or not, but you know, they're putting out
requests for people to come up with things to manipulate
people's memories. So you've got a soldier, they say it,

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who's got bad PTSD. Let's get rid of that memory,
Let's give them different memories. Well, what do you see
in terms of someone who studies the brain and neuroscience,
what do you see about that? What do you take,
as I think is the state of the art with that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
Well, my last book was called The Complete Book of Memory.
It had to do with memory and studying memory in
great detail. And of course you have to do away
with the concept that memory is like a videotape or
something that you just store in your brain and when
you get and want to get it, you just bring
it out like you bring out a videotape.

Speaker 11 (01:18:39):
It's not like that. It's a reconstruction.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Each time you think back to a certain event, you
alter that memory so that you have memory one, memory two,
memory three, on and on and all. That's the nature
of memory. And memory can be manipulated. It's always you know,
in the courtroom, they're always trying to avoid the contamination

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of the witness. An example that would be, well, which
car went through the red light? And to ask a
witness and he said, oh, it was it was a
red car went through the red light. Well, would it
surprise you to know that it wasn't a red light
but it was a stop sign? Misterial witness, of course,
his credibility is gone because he took the suggestion that

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it was a red light instead. It would be very
easy to do because you don't necessarily have that image
of that intersection in your mind.

Speaker 11 (01:19:35):
So that's why there's.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
Protections even in the courtroom against leading the witness. They
caught an other words, providing information that's either not through
at all or half true. So we've got that Cain.
This is not This didn't start in the twenty first century.
That that started, you know, as long as we've had courtrooms.
This is a more emphasis now on altering memory.

Speaker 11 (01:19:59):
So the people, well, we'll.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
Get up there an undercross examination. They'll do pretty well
because their whole memory has been oldered. They've changed by
various mechanisms, suggestion, repeating the information which is false of course,
which is the misinformation. There was a cartoon about a
week ago by Ramirez in which he's Pilter Prize winner.

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He has three doctors in an operating room. It's in
a laboratory. One of them is looking into a microscope
and he looks up and he says, this is the
most dangerous pathogen we have ever encountered. And the second
doctor says, well, is it gubonic plague? Is it smallpox?
And then the one that he says, no, it's misinformation

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and disinformation.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
That's right, and uh, and we've got to be very
careful because many times the people who will tell us
about that are the people who want to be the
ones who define what the information is for us, and
they will ask those leading questions. You know, when we
talk about leading questions and manipulating people. There's been a
lot of reports about artificial intelligence kind of people who

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have a particular psychosis or something and they get involved
with the AI and it starts to confirm the things
that they want, because that's what it is set up
to do in terms of bias. That want to be
empathetic and sympathetic to people, and so it starts doing
that and leading them further and further down a particular
rabbit hole. There's been situations of, you know, people who

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got into severe mental distress, some suicides of some young children,
and other things like that speak to that aspect of
it and the real danger of that. That is really
kind of I think speaks to the psychological aspect and
potential of artificial intelligence, and that could be weaponized. Right now,
it's just kind of happening out of their business model,

(01:21:57):
right but that could definitely be weaponized against people.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
Well. I talk about that in my book in the
chapter on the Internet there are famous examples of people
who have suicided right on the internet live feed, and
they've been manipulated to doing that by other people who've
encouraged them, said, this would be a sign of strength,

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this would be a sign of that you're not afraid
to die if necessary. And there's cases of us that
actually led to the suicide. One of them is most Grizzly.
I have in my book about a person who has
talked into pouring gasoline over themselves and setting a match,
all on open feed Internet. And while this fire is burning,

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you can hear everybody in the backgrounds cheering, we did it,
We did it.

Speaker 11 (01:22:49):
We got him to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
So there's something about the Internet and about that actually
brings out statistic criminal, psychopathic trends, and we don't know why.
Is it the fact that you don't necessarily can't be identified.
It's something that is going to be influencing and has
influence the Internet greatly, and it will continue to do so,

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so we understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
I think that's one of the things that's so dangerous
about the things that we saw with lockdown other aspects
of it. There's an atomization here and so many different
ways the government and tech companies are trying to make
sure that we're not in person with each other. You know,
many cases like, for example, in this interview, we couldn't

(01:23:40):
do this interview if we both had if one of
both of us had to travel. We're able to do
this because we can do it over zoom or whatever.
But just taking ordinary things that you would normally do
in terms of interacting with people in school or in
church or in your community or whatever, taking that away,
putting a screen between the two of you, it really

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does change the way people interact with each other. I
remember Errol Morris, the film director, was able to get
people to say all kinds of things to him. He
got a murderer to confess, he got he got Robert
McNamara to confess about the false Flago, the Vietnam War.
He got people say all kinds of stuff because there
was that distance between him and them. He could have

(01:24:23):
interviewed them in person. But what he did was he
put an entotron, which he is what he called it.
It was basically a teleprompter that he had set up
so he could do two way communication at the time,
and once he had that distance there. Then it completely
changed the dynamics that he would have versus with somebody
person to person. And that's what we're talking about here,

(01:24:43):
isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
Yeah, we're talking about that, And of course there's the
integradations of this, and it continues like we're you're interviewing me,
we're discussing. I feel like it's a discussion.

Speaker 11 (01:24:54):
If I were to.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
Say something that later I regretted, I could probably say, oh, well,
that wasn't me, that was my avatar.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Or my agent. Right, I got an AI agent that's
out there doing that, right, that's crazy. We also see though,
as a doctor, you're seeing people have noticed actual physical
changes that can be observed in people's brains. I'm thinking
of the story about the London taxi drivers who would
do the knowledge and they would find that as they

(01:25:26):
memorized all these factual details and drew on that all
the time in order to take people to you know,
this very complicated city with its complicated streets, that they
had a particular part of the brain that was larger
than the typical person. And then they found that once
they stopped doing that, it started to shrink again. And
we're starting to see that happening with people in a

(01:25:49):
lot of different areas of their life. That kind of
atrophy and it's physically observable, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:25:55):
Well, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
You have to learn, you have to use the things
that you have learned to do. Like I mentioned in
my memory book, there's all kinds of memory exercises that
you can do. I do them every day, and they're
very easy and they can help you to continue with
your with your memory to keep it sharp.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Give us some examples. I'm sure everybody would love to
know that. I would all like to have a better memory.
What kind of what kind of things do we can
we do to exercise I think.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
About the fact that you never had to learn pictures
when you were an infant and a young child. A
picture was something that you could you know, may not
know what you're looking at, but you could see it
without an intermediary. Where language is something that you have
to hear from other people. It's something that's sort of
added on to the brain. Okay, So as a result,

(01:26:44):
the most the best way of remembering something is to
make a image for it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
For instance, I have a little dog called a skipper key.
Skipper Key is a Belgian dog. He's a nice little fellow.
But it was embarrassing to me when walking the street,
people say what kind of.

Speaker 11 (01:27:06):
A dog is that?

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
And it couldn't come up with a name because it
was such complicated. And I thought that Skipper case I
didn't speak any doubt or anything. So then I got
this image of a small boat with a large captain
with a beard holding a big key. So it was
Skipper key, and I remember forever, so I was going

(01:27:27):
to have the picture. Once I have the picture, it's
easy to do another way, easy way to do it,
and you can do that with all kinds of times.
All the time, I was going upstairs before I came
down to the office, and I wanted to get my
wallet and I wanted to get my cell phone. So
I just had an image of a wallet in the

(01:27:49):
form of a cell phone, and I was walking up
the stairs talking into the wallet cell phone. So I
got up and I knew I had these two elements
to get. Be very easy to get one and forget
the other. So you have these images all the time,
and the quickest you know. This is sort of off
the topic of the book, but if you want to
have a firepower memory for.

Speaker 11 (01:28:14):
A load of things.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
It's up to ten things and get ten areas that
you are familiar with that you see every day, and
then you could put on those images the thing you're
trying to remember. So if I'm trying to remember a
loaf of bread, milk, maybe a batteries, I have a

(01:28:39):
regular way of doing that. I have like I remember
the library that's near my home, the coffee shop, liquor store,
Georgetown University, Medical school where I went, Georgetown University, Cafe Milano,
which is a place in Washington everybody gathers, and then

(01:29:00):
Keybridge e the dream of Memorial and Reagan Airport, so
that bread would be, for instance, the loaf of bread.
I was looking in the window of the library instead
of seeing books, I see bread, loaves of bread. And
when I get down to the liquor store instead of
it being filled with liquor, that'll be built ball. So

(01:29:20):
that's how I love to get to it. So I
have those ten so I can get ten items together
not any problems at all.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
That's great. Yeah, you know, it's interesting you talk about
the importance of a visualization. It's one of the things
that I do in terms of preparing for the show.
I have a lot of articles that I go through
and it's really when I highlight things or when I
write them down, that's when I can remember them. If
I don't do that, if I were just to read
these things, I wouldn't remember them. But if I interact

(01:29:49):
with it and write it down, that helps me to
remember it. So that is a kind of visualization there,
I guess as well. Is it truly is interesting what
you said earlier about memory being something that is stored
in a place. As somebody coming from a computer science background,
that was a very different thing. When you construct your
your memory, you know, how do you reconstruct that? I

(01:30:11):
mean that that that as opens up a whole new
area of questions as well. In other words, if every
time somebody brings up a subject, I mean, there isn't
something that's stored initially to reference that and then rebuild
from that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
Yeah, there's that, because there's there's the interconnections. Like you know,
somebody listening to us might say, well, gee, this is
called the twenty first century brain, but I haven't heard
that much about the brain. Well, let we just link
that up so that these things make sense. We have
a new version or I should say a new understanding
of the brain called the connectometic brain, in which there's

(01:30:47):
all kinds of interactions in the brain of parts of
the brain.

Speaker 11 (01:30:52):
But you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
We're just learning about I have the I use the
betaphor of a bull of spaghetti. You pull out all
of strains is spaghetti, and you never have any idea
what it's connected to. How many other strains is spaghetti
this is connected to? So that if you think of
the brain as being kind of set to make connections,

(01:31:15):
that's its natural processing. So it gets back to these
things that we were talking about earlier, you know, global
warming and memory and surveillance and all that. How are
we going to solve all those Well, somehow or other
those things are connected with each other. That's the take
home message of this book. And the basic goal is

(01:31:39):
to try to figure out what it is that connects
these things, what it is that would allow us to.

Speaker 11 (01:31:47):
Buy solving one of them solve the other.

Speaker 4 (01:31:52):
And I mentioned at the end of the book experts
so far haven't done it. So it's useful as high
access to.

Speaker 11 (01:32:01):
Get ordinary people to give.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
When I say ordinary, I mean non specialized people to
give their ideas. Do you, I wonder what such and
such would happen, what would happen about global warming? For
a while there was, in fact, there's still experiments going
on on the effect of sulfur that would help the
CO two problem, and you know, shooting sulfur up into

(01:32:26):
the atmosphere. Of course, the reason for that was the
volcano in nineteen eighty something in which after that volcano
in Hawaii it was noted that the air was clearer
and there was less pollution.

Speaker 11 (01:32:42):
So that's something to think about.

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
Is there some way of using that particular sulfur experiment
to decrease global warming? War, for instance, we don't think
of war as a cause of global warming, but it is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Or CO two in the warning.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
Yeah, since the U the Ukraine War, and the gauze
of war, then you know, tremendous amount that's going to
overcome and exceed the benefit of any of these things,
like you know, non gasoline engines, but using things.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Like that absolutely. Yeah, it's kind of like you know,
shooting up rockets in order to put satellites up. You know,
how many how many cars and lifetime use of cars
from people would that be equivalent to? And you start
talking about all the missiles that are being shot, and
then you get to the explosives as well. Uh, it
is really interesting how they focus us on their objectives

(01:33:43):
for their ways to control the manipulation has been going
on for quite some time, and so yeah, that is
it is pretty amazing. And I guess that's my you know,
my my. When you look at this stuff, it really
does look like science fiction. And I'm almost inclined to
write it off on our first see it when DARPA
is saying, well, we need to find some way that
we can, you know, erase memories and people and insert

(01:34:07):
new memories into them, and we were going back to
total recall, right, so it sounds like something from Philip K.
Dick novel, But they're really working on that. And I
guess one of the most striking things that we saw
we reported on a couple of weeks ago, and it
was a company that was bragging about how they could
read your mind more accurately and quickly than their competitors,

(01:34:29):
because there's a lot of different companies that are doing
this and how they could. It's called Brain it was
the name of the company, and so they had a
way that they would do MRI and they could essentially
train it on your brain in a much shorter period
of time the other people, and they could get much
better results. And our producers just pull this up. So

(01:34:52):
what they do is they show you an image and
you're looking at that image, and then it's reading your
mind and reconstructing what you're looking at, which I think
that was absolutely amazing and terrifying at the same time.
How is this going to be used? I guess that's
the real issue when we start talking about all these
different things. I think that is the real case that

(01:35:12):
it's difficult for people to understand just how far and
how quickly the technology has progressed, and then to say,
and how do we control this from it being used
for bad purposes?

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
Well, that's a specifically twenty first century problem, yes, because
all of these things are either originated in the twenty
first century or they have in fact further developed to
become increasingly threatening. And bear in mind, we have to
have to solve these problems because they're not something that's
going to go away. And then the most important thing

(01:35:46):
to remember, David, is that all of these things harm
the brain, and the brain is the thinking processor. It's
going to save this, it's going to figure out what
the problems, what the solution to the problems are. So
we know now that wildfire smoke, for instance, it creates dementia.

(01:36:07):
It enhances the likely liudo subjects coming to menic So
as the brain is affected negatively increasingly over longer and
longer periods of time, our ability to solve these problems
is going to decrease. So we've got to do it now.
We've got to get serious about it. And this business
of people getting up saying the global warming is fiction

(01:36:30):
and all that is really very very disturbing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Yeah, well, you know the example that you gave earlier
of the fact that the Indian government was manipulating the
temperature at some of the stations there. That kind of
works both ways. They have put some of the temperature
stations on the airport tarmacs, and in the UK they
have a lot of the temperature stations that they've got there.
They're just extrapolating the data. They don't have real temperature

(01:36:57):
measurement stations there. So it all really gets, I think,
to the scientific method, and that's really where we have
to hold people's feet to the fire. We're talking about
something like that we can have an absolute standard of
what truth is, and that truth is going to be
being able to measure something accurately and being able to
reproduce that. And then I think a good yardstick for

(01:37:19):
that is when somebody is trying to hide their data.
That's that's the clue right there that they're not doing science,
because if they're doing science and they've come to the
right conclusion, they don't have a problem with somebody looking
at their data. And so I've got a question here
for you from a person in the audience asking you
know about doctors James Giordano and Charles Morgan their work

(01:37:42):
with military. I'm not familiar with those names. I don't
know if you know anything about that or not.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
To your daughter says familiar, What particular thing are they
asking about them?

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
I don't know. It just says their work with military.
I guess I have to do with something, but you
haven't heard of it.

Speaker 11 (01:37:57):
I'm not sure I could say you dollar did this
or diet that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Now, sure I understand. Yeah, let's talk a little bit
about the things that we have been anxious about, and
of course, as Christians, we have one answer to it.
But you talk about how this is something that has
been around pretty much all of our life. I mean
there was I grew up with anxiety about nuclear war,
for example. That was on everybody's television, and that was

(01:38:24):
a fourth front front of our mind, especially growing up
in Florida when the Cuban missile crisis was happening. They
got us really afraid of that. When I was in
elementary school, you know, it's like, there's not gonna be
enough time for you to get home, you know, a
nuclear bomb started falling in So I mean, there's all
these different ways that you can panic people. I guess
part of it is how do we identify the real

(01:38:45):
problems and how do we deal with those problems, because
there's always things that are competing for our attention and
our anxiety, many of which are not real, you know,
And usually the things that you're really the most concerned
about don't happen, and it may be sometimes because you
have taken a precaution about it. What would you say

(01:39:06):
about that about anxiety?

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
You're starting to break up a little bit, Can you
hear me clearly?

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
I hear you, yes, Yes, Sorry about that. You're talking
about breaking up a little bit. You're talking about traumatizing
a population. You know, what do we do to guard
against that type of thing? And of course that's going
to really escalate with the ability of AI to create
a narrative.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
Yeah, well, let's talk about it as an avenue to
get into that. Let's go back to what you've brought
about the atomic weapons and the atomic war, the fears
of the people that there's going to be another atomic war.
I mean, you know this is not unrealistic. There's even
going to movie. It's just come out that's getting all
kinds of attention, as you know, and has to do

(01:39:57):
with the threat of a new the war things in
the UH. If you look at what's happening in the
in the Europe right now, there's all kinds of suggestions
that could lead to a nuclear war. I mean Ukraine
now has announced that they're under no conditions willing to
give up any land, and Stalin is I mean, Putin

(01:40:18):
is thinking what he can do to change that, but
maybe he'll attack another country. I mean, this is scary stuff.
So what's happening in response to the government is to
try to show that, oh, we shouldn't worry about it,
we have things under control. But I don't think things
are under control.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
And we've talked about the problems, and we talked about
problems you have. Your final chapter is New ways of Thinking,
and i'd like to talk about that. One of the
things that you say is Ocam was wrong. Occam's razor
that you know people are familiar with. Tell us a
little bit about that. Why is I come wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
Well, because as he says that you know, the entities
are not to be multiplied, meaning that we can always
explain things best by limiting ourselves to the minimum amount
of factors, ideally one one cause of every effect.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
That's not true. It's certainly not true.

Speaker 11 (01:41:15):
In the twenty first century.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
There's all kinds of interactions between factors and causes, so
that Acam was wrong in that basis. We have to
think of an interconnecting pool, just as in the brain,
of interconnections of neurons, interconnections of these problems. And they're
all related.

Speaker 11 (01:41:33):
They're all eight of them.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
I talk about in my book. They're all related. And
if you can figure way of influencing one, you influence
all the others. I mean, who would think there'd be
a connection between global warming and the amount of artisan
and cheese for INSS high end cheese. Well there is
because they don't chickens don't lay the many eggs, and

(01:41:57):
it would be all the various other things come on
in terms of making cheese. I turned out learned that
the other day. That was something that was a surprise
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
You know, it's kind of interesting. We talked about connections
so much. And there was a series that was I
think it was on PBS. I think the guy's name
was Burke. I can't remember his first name. I'm not
sure about the last name. But he had a series
called Connections, and I thought it was fascinating because what
he would do is he would take a whole series
of connections to show how a particular technology had evolved,

(01:42:29):
you know, so he might go from you know, the
quill to the to the jet engine or something like that.
And it was a fascinating, fascinating thread of things, very
much like what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
It really is.

Speaker 11 (01:42:45):
And I did I did consult.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
His work, Actually did you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
I was writing this book because he did that Connections.
He did a book called The Day of the World
Changed and all this.

Speaker 11 (01:42:54):
He also did a book.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
Called Circles in which he would start with one particular
event that care and in history, and if you go
around the circle, you come back to the beginning where
it started, where this particular inventor invented something was led
up to it. What was the circle leading to that. So, yes,
we're talking about connections, and we're talking about the inability

(01:43:16):
to understand things without reference to supporting an accessory factors.
We have that going all the time, denying things that
are going to be happy. Of course, I think the
fearful thing is that the government is aiding in this denial,
because if you deny that there's a problem, then there's

(01:43:36):
very little impetus to try to solve it, you know, Yeah,
and there no problem, don't try to solve it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
They're throwing out their own chaos and uncertainty and anxiety
that's out there all the time always, I guess. So
the question is you're talking about volatility, uncertainty, complexity, and ambiguity.
I mean it sounds like a government policy. I think
they got bureaucracy. Is that specialize on that?

Speaker 6 (01:44:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:44:07):
Yeah, well actually that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Yeah, that's in your section there about new ways of
thinking and so how do we incorporate that in the
new ways of thinking that help us to solve this riddle.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
Well, each of those factors is a factor that helps
you to understand things and to have more control. It
doesn't necessarily mean it helps you to link them together.
That has to be done by original thinking. You have
to be under those things. Things are evolved. Well, you
don't have a basic situation that doesn't change. It changes

(01:44:42):
all the time. So that the other thing that I
want to emphasize the most is that is the role
of capitalism in all of this. I mean, there's all
this like the private equity, the business of people having
a point of view that is going to advance them financially,

(01:45:02):
and that blinding them to the problems that are here. Like,
for instance, we talked about global warming. Well, the rich
people of very rich people were buying multi million dollar
departments and condominiums which have special air filters which will
keep the wildfire smoke out and we'll try to keep

(01:45:23):
the global warming effect at bay by superpower air conditioners.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
So the building they're building their own bunkers to buildings
that are creating all kinds of chaos and and uh,
you know, weapons of war, mass destruction. They're out there
building super bunkers in various places as well, So I
think they're somewhat pessimistic about what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
Well, it's basically the idea is that, you know, we
don't care about the ordinary person. We're going to survive.
We're going to see to our own survival, and if
we in order to do that we have to deny
certain things that are going on, will do so. Now, incidentally,
all of this is not conscious thinking. They don't necessarily say, well,
I'm going to deny global warming because it'll be to

(01:46:12):
my advantage financially, because all my investment is in the globe.
They all gas industry, they don't do it that way.
They come up with pseudo logic things that seem to
make sense to them, But if they didn't have a
financial thrust in the matter, they would look out upon
it quite differently.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
That's right. We can always find a justification for what
it was, what it is that we really want. Everybody
should understand that if their parents this time of year,
at Christmas time, you can always understand that people will
come up with a justification for what they want. And
that's that's as true of government as it is of corporations.
Out there, and it's really dangerous one the two of
them connect with each other. I think that's one of

(01:46:53):
the things. You know, you talk about connections and the
importance of it and how we can try to connect
these different factors each of us individually, But I think
it's the human connection that is out there that is
going to be essential for all of this. It's going
to be our collective work on all this. What do
you think about that? Would you agree with that?

Speaker 11 (01:47:13):
Well, I'd agree with it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:14):
But there's so many things that are taking place now
that are causing the schisms.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
And yes, we're.

Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
Splitting people into factors and belief systems and political points
of view, and that's very dangerous because then you can't
get together any kind of unity, even in the face
of an emergency.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
Well, I think we've always had I think we've always
had these factor you know, factions and things like that.
You know, the founders of the country warn't about factions
and political parties. But I think what makes it unique
is that when you're interacting with people on a personal basis,
you interact with them a little bit differently than if
you've got that separation between you that technology is giving

(01:47:55):
us now because now you're interacting with something that's abstracted,
is not with another person, and there's also the body
language that you're not picking up on. But it makes
it easier for you to be harder on people when
there's that distance there. I think that's why I think,
you know, the personal connection, I think is really vital
to making these connections and coming up with an understanding

(01:48:16):
of what's going on. We talked about the hidden factors
that are out there, hidden unrelated topics, other people, as
you pointed out earlier, just talking to ordinary people about
what it is that you see with different things. I
think that is the genius of the collective free market
out there, that there's so many observers who are looking

(01:48:36):
at things and thinking about them, and it's kind of
their collective decision that is kind of guiding things along,
as opposed to having a central planner who's doing that.
What do you think about that You've got to in
your final chapter a new way of thinking. You have
what you call it sensible solution. What does that really involve?

Speaker 4 (01:48:57):
So I'm sorry what you said.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
You have a sensible solution. What do you think a
sensible solution to the kind of stress and chaos and
anxiety that we have manipulation, that we have. What is
a solution to that?

Speaker 4 (01:49:12):
Well, I think the Wikipedia is a good example of that.
They have people from all walks of life, all levels
of education, free to contribute to whatever topic they may
want to do. That it may be health. I mentioned
earlier about the effect of global warming on the making
of cheese. It might be somebody who makes cheese that's

(01:49:35):
going to come up with some idea. You know, we
don't know that. We don't know that. That may not
be where it comes some original idea I want to
do about global warming, and you put it on what
I'd like to think, and I hope it will be
developed a kind of Wikipedia where the ordinary person can
feel free to put forth their ideas about it. Now

(01:49:55):
you say, well, we already have that, we have the Internet.

Speaker 11 (01:49:58):
No, we don't. The Internet.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
That is a commercial situation. It's all done for making
money and you grab attention and all that, and there's
no criticism of it. There's no pure review if you will,
rights in the Wikipedia. I mean, you know, people could
write in and say, well, that particular contribution as bombers
and then give an example what it is that was
a very good idea, and after that you begin to

(01:50:21):
get things coming together in unpredictable ways that may help
us solve these eight problems.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
Yeah, the problem is it seems like whenever you wind
up having a form or place where things can be,
and that's true of the Internet, it's also true of Wikipedia,
then it becomes you have gatekeepers who are there and
we saw this in spades throughout the COVID stuff that
if somebody's got a different idea, rather than debate them,
the impetus is to silence them by the people who

(01:50:54):
are an authority. And so that really, I think is
the key thing, and I think as part of that,
we see a continuing rise in discussed and deprivation of
free speech. People are not interested in the principle of
free speech. They don't want to have open debate. And

(01:51:15):
I see this regardless of where people coming from on
the political spectrum. There is a declining interest and debate
and thinking. You know, the debate is critical to critical thinking,
and so the people who are in charge, the gatekeepers,
whether it's Wikipedia or the Internet or any other form

(01:51:36):
of information, they are weighing in on that and they
don't want things that they disagree with, and it might
be because they've got an agenda, or it might be because
they've just got a particular prejudice about something. They want
to make sure that the contrary views don't get out there.
That I think is the real key that's that's there.

(01:51:56):
And again this is part of this atomization that we
have of people feeding that tribalism in a way that
we've never seen it before using technology.

Speaker 4 (01:52:06):
I would agree with everything you've just said exactly, and
I think we have to try to get beyond that.
But we get back again to this business of people
having their own personal financial point of view and position
and pushing that basically on the fact that they look
upon it as so maybe we're talking about a capitalism problem.

(01:52:29):
We've got capitalism, it's what this country's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
But I mean.

Speaker 11 (01:52:32):
It's certain parts of it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
Now we've gone to the point where people are unable
to take another point of view if it's going to
be financially harmful and hurtful to them.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Yeah, I think that. You know, we start looking at
the tech companies. I don't think that their capitalism would exist.
I don't think they have billions of dollars if they
weren't unified with the government. So there's a there's a
symbiosis there that the two of these entities feed off
of each other. And I think that in exus right

(01:53:03):
there is the is the difficult thing. And so I think,
you know, when I think of capitalism, I don't like
to refer to capitalism anymore because I think of it
as a partnership, a public private partnership, some kind of
a economic fascism where they are working together. But I
like to think of a free competitive market where the
government doesn't have any role except as some kind of

(01:53:25):
a referee between two parties that have a conflict or something.
But yeah, that's a that's the thing that's really driving this.
You know, many people when they talk about AI, they said, well,
you know, here's a couple of different outcomes. Maybe this
stuff really works the way it's supposed to work, and
it takes everybody's jobs and we wind up with a depression,
or maybe it doesn't work at all, in which case
the big AI stock bubble that we've got burst and

(01:53:48):
everybody loses their job because of that. Well there's a
third alternative, and that is that the government keeps propping
it up with public funds because it feeds their surveillance
and manipulation needs their ability to surveil and to control us.
And I really think that that's where this is all
going to head. I don't really you know, those other

(01:54:10):
two things may happen, and they may be true, but
I think there is a customer out there for the
AI stuff that is driving all this stuff that has
been putting out these proposals for the longest time, and
that's governments governments around the world. I mean, we look
at the Brain project that we had a few years ago,
that was during the Boma administration. But things like the
Brain Computer Interface that Elon Musk and many other tech

(01:54:33):
companies are doing out there. There's neuralink and there's a
lot of them that are doing that. That's being driven
by the government wanting to connect into our minds, hack
into our minds really, and they've been funding that kind
of stuff. So how do we break that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
Yeah, on the Musk side, it doing it for money,
I mean obviously to make money, that's right. So that
there's unholy lines, if you will, between someone who can't
see anything on at all and in another side of
the government can't see anything other than increasing power and
surveillance over the population.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
Yeah, that's right, absolutely true. Well, it's a fascinating book.
It's fascinating take on this. And of course you've written
many books on the brain, the memory one very interesting,
and you do have sections about memory in this book
as well. And people be able to find this on Amazon,
I guess is the best place that they can find

(01:55:28):
it looking for the title of this and it is.
You know, it is something that I think we all
need to think about how we're going to operate the
effects that this technology is having on our brains in
the twenty first century. And that is the title of
the book, The twenty first Century Brain by Richard Restak.

(01:55:48):
Thank you very much, doctor Restak. Thank you, appreciate you
coming on.

Speaker 4 (01:55:53):
Enjoyiam.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
Thank you, very interesting conversation. Thank you. Have a good day.
Folks are going to take a quick break and we
will be right back. That brings us to something that

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Lance found that I thought was very interesting. Uh, and
that is the brain the brain interface, uh transference.

Speaker 5 (01:57:53):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
That is a company that is called Hang on a second,
I'll get it right here. The brain, it brain, it
is their thing and they're not the only company that's
doing this. There's a lot of different companies that are
doing this, and let's show people what this really looks like.
Scroll down and show zoom in on those pictures. Now

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there's pairs of pictures, and you'll see an image that
the person is looking like looking at it says scene image.
Right next to it is the reconstructed image. And look
at that, there's a giraffe. And then right next to
it is a giraffe. But the drafe is standing in
exactly the same position and same way and looked at

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from the same angle, looking kind of back over its shoulder.

Speaker 13 (01:58:38):
To be clear, the scene image is what the human
is looking at. And then there's sensors connected to the
brain that's creating the reconstructed image. The computer hasn't seen
this scene image. Only the human sees this. And this
is entirely constructed from a brain skin.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
That's right, So they can sense what you are looking
at and completely reconstruct it. And look at how identical
these images are. Now, you know, you got to stop
sign and it got to stop sign as well as
the words stop. The only thing that's missing there is
the four way thing underneath it. It didn't quite reconstruct
that exactly. And then when you look at the pieces

(01:59:18):
of pizza, it is a little bit more orderly in
the way that it put the pizza together. That's there.
But even when it gets some of the details wrong,
it still has the basic orientation. There, scrolled up a
little bit. The snowboarder that is there. Take a look
at the snowboarder. So here the basic orientation is right.

(01:59:38):
Even though the snowboarder has one leg up, the arms
are still extended, and it's still in basically the same orientation.
It's going down the snow with a shadow of the
main cast. But it is truly amazing. Yeah, go show
the baseball one. That's another good one that's there. So
the baseball thing, you've got three different people and they're

(01:59:59):
all basically and the same orientation. The one again on
the left, is the actual picture that the human is
looking at. The one on the right is a reconstruction
by scanning his by monitoring his brain, and then the
computer is reconstructing that one on the right. And so
you've got a catcher who is squatting and has got
one arm extended out and that is captured again, and

(02:00:20):
then the umpire behind him who is in the same
crouching position. Even though the colors change a little bit,
it still has that there. And then moving up to
the room, the motel room. Look at that even has
the same color bedspread there, and the one above it,
we have the motorcycle still in the exactly the same angle,

(02:00:43):
and it figured out there's a person in a racing motorcycle,
even though it got the colors slightly different on that.
It truly is amazing.

Speaker 13 (02:00:50):
Interesting to me because it's little details that it gets
wrong that if you were to remember this image you
would probably get a lot of these same details wrong,
like exactly the their clothes right. It still gets the
general color scheme across all three of them.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
Yeah, the three people staying there for the skiing thing,
and again the jet a military jet. It gets a
little bit of the details on the bottom that are different,
but it basically has it all there. So it is
pretty much getting the gist of it. Just as Lance said,
you would remember that when you come back.

Speaker 3 (02:01:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:01:23):
What is interesting about this, I think is the fact
that it's not just one company that's doing this. There
are at least eleven, we'll say, a dozen companies that
are out there I bet you we didn't look this up,
but I bet you every single one of them has
got grants from DARPA or some federal agency, most likely
DARPA in order to do this kind of stuff. You know,

(02:01:46):
what is the use case for something like this and
how did they put it together? Well, this particular company
is bragging about how superior their method is. They use
f MR I MRI, the MRI scanner that you have.
They put on a machine and you know, scan your
brain and things like that. I had several loose. Now

(02:02:08):
this is functional MRI, and what it does instead of
looking at the structure of the brain and seeing, you know,
are their physical alterations to the brain after a stroke
or something like that, it looks at changes in the
brain that are happening dynamically over time. And so that's

(02:02:31):
what the functional MRI is about. Rather than looking at
the physiology or the structure of the brain, it's actually
looking at the dynamic brain activity. And so to train
these models, one of the things that this company is
bragging about is that they spend about an hour training it,

(02:02:52):
and their competitors might spend forty hours training it, and
they get far superior results. Truly is amazing when you
look at how long they spend training it and how
much better their their recognition is, you know, being able
to sense what you are seeing and thinking about and
basically reading your mind. And so it is the brain

(02:03:16):
interaction transformer, they call themselves BIT. Now what what they do?
What is the training? Well, it turns out that everybody
has these localized patch level image features and so they
call them the they call them clusters. Okay, and so

(02:03:38):
they're looking at brain Vauxel clusters and they say, all
humans have this, but these clusters will be located in
different places on different subjects same thing, but it will
be slightly moved around. You know, when you have a stroke.
They call it brain plasticity. And so when you have
a stroke, part of your brain dies, and if you

(02:04:00):
get the functionality back, it's because another part of your
brain has taken up that activity. They said. So, some
very very young children, maybe an infancy, might have a
stroke that would affect, for example, their speech. And what
they found is that even though that might reside on

(02:04:21):
one side of their brain versus the other side of
the brain, those young children, when they have the stroke
that affects the side of the brain where normally speech
would be. They found that as they learned to speak,
the other side of their brain picks it up, and
so that's what it's called brain plasticity. In other words,
it can adapt and train that other side of the
brain to take over those functions. So that's what they're

(02:04:43):
basically looking at here with these Vauxel clusters. They know
that certain things are going to be fired, they just
don't know exactly where that's going to be in a
person's brain. So they spent an hour mapping those things
out and then they get very very accurate results. And
what they do is they split it into two different aspects.

(02:05:06):
One of them is the semantics, and I think what
that does is kind of give them a context. So
when you look at how you got two people standing
and they're kind of standing in this particular orientation, picks
up that. And then the other one is about more
about the details that are there. And then they run
these two different paths together. So first they have programs

(02:05:26):
that are looking at the Vauxel clusters creating a kind
of semantic context. The other one is creating a context
for the features. And then they take the output of
those two things and put them into something else that
combines and sums those things together to give them that
kind of image. It's pretty interesting in terms of technology

(02:05:46):
that is there, but I think it is absolutely abhorrent.
But they're doing this. I can't think of any reason
for them to do something like this. Now, they'll come
up with some kind of a fake justification, just like
they're talking about with the creating babies with a hatchery.
Oh well, we'll do it to save people from some
kind of genetic disease. And they're leaning into that excuse,

(02:06:09):
leaning into that narrative by calling their company preventive. Right.
But these are the kinds of things, you know, when
we look at this. Actually, you know, Lance pull up
the one that says it's titled Brain Interaction transformer, and
when you look at that chart, you'll see that in
their chart when they're talking about the cross transformer module,

(02:06:30):
they've got that listed there twice. And guess what they
misspelled transformer. I'm meaning a little bit of a grammar
nazi here, but I got to just say that, you know,
we're talking about things like this, the little details matter,
and I wonder what happens when you switch some of
the stuff you reconstructing things, and it's a critical mission.
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (02:06:49):
To be honest, it sounds a lot more like a
Decepticon ploy than the Transformers to me, But what.

Speaker 1 (02:06:53):
Do I know. Yeah, that sounds pretty crazy to me.
Look at one last one here, and that is comparing
their images to these other models that are out there.
They're company is called brain It, and they compare it
to some other companies, mind Turner, mind I two, neuro Vla,

(02:07:16):
and so look at this.

Speaker 13 (02:07:18):
So you have the best mind reader on the market
right now.

Speaker 1 (02:07:22):
Yeah, that's absolutely right, So you know when you're interesting.

Speaker 13 (02:07:26):
One I think is the last one, the Neurovla, because
it always gets the object correct, but it gets it
in a very different context.

Speaker 1 (02:07:34):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So that first row there, you're
seeing a bowl of some white stuff, maybe it's oatmeal
or something, and you're seeing a banana right next to it.
And then when you look at the Neurovla, they've got
a bowl and then they've got a banana, but it's
not at all in the same orientation and brain It
was able to do that, and you see that repeated

(02:07:57):
over and over again. They kind of get some of it,
but they don't get all of it, and you know,
it's kind of interesting. What it reminded me of was
this mister Benman ghosts, good guess but wrong that from

(02:08:17):
Bill Murray and the mind reading thing opened up ghostbusters.
I wonder if they shock these people who created these models,
they get it right?

Speaker 11 (02:08:27):
Tell me what you think it is?

Speaker 10 (02:08:31):
Is it a star?

Speaker 11 (02:08:34):
It is a star.

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
That's great, and yet you can see from behind him
that it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (02:08:41):
Think hard m.

Speaker 11 (02:08:45):
So close square, definitely wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
Okay, all right, ready?

Speaker 10 (02:09:02):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
Figure eight?

Speaker 4 (02:09:13):
Incredible?

Speaker 11 (02:09:14):
That's five for five. You can't see these.

Speaker 1 (02:09:16):
Can you?

Speaker 3 (02:09:17):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:09:18):
Well, I swear they're just coming to me.

Speaker 11 (02:09:22):
Okay, nervous, Yes, I don't like this.

Speaker 4 (02:09:29):
You only have seventy five more to go. Okay, what's this?

Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
One's a couple of wavy lines? Sorry, got it right?

Speaker 4 (02:09:42):
Day? Yeah, you.

Speaker 11 (02:09:52):
Get a little tired of this. You volunteered, didn't you.

Speaker 4 (02:09:55):
We're paying you aren't. Well, yeah, but I don't know
you were gonna be giving me electric shocks.

Speaker 11 (02:10:00):
What are you trying to prove here? Anyway?

Speaker 1 (02:10:02):
I'm studying the effect of negative reinforcement on esp ability.

Speaker 14 (02:10:06):
The effect I'll tell you what the effect is it's
pissing me off.

Speaker 11 (02:10:10):
Well, then maybe my theory is correct.

Speaker 10 (02:10:12):
Okay, kick the five bucks I've had, I will.

Speaker 1 (02:10:14):
Mister keep the five bucks. Yeah. One of the way
they pay these people to go through an hour of
MRI it's.

Speaker 4 (02:10:23):
A kind of resentment that your ability.

Speaker 11 (02:10:25):
Is going to provoke in some evil.

Speaker 1 (02:10:28):
Yeah. So, yeah, that's kind of interesting. But now they're
doing it for real. Okay, they're going to use AI
to read people's minds. And again when they list out
a table and they compare themselves percentage wise to these
other people, you see that there are eleven of these
companies that are out there doing this stuff. And who

(02:10:50):
is paying them? I bet it's some evil organization like.

Speaker 15 (02:11:10):
B B B.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
Is it all just about the winning? When we look
at this, it is winning everything and the only thing. No,
I don't think that's the case. We really need to
have meaningful moral reform. You know, there's an excellent article.
And I've talked about William Wilverforce in the past, but
there's an excellent article talking about a public what he

(02:12:22):
wrote in eighteen oh seven when he stopped the slave trade.
And we're not going to go through all the details
of it, but just to make you aware of it.
It was called a Letter on the Abolition of the
Slave Trade by William Wilberforce. It was published less than
a month before the British Parliament voted overwhelmingly to abolish

(02:12:42):
the slave trade, and it encapsulates two decades a relentless
effort by Wilberforce. One a story an aptly described that
parliamentary vote as quote one of the turning events in
the history of the world, and it was Slavery has
always existed at every time and in every calture. But
it was William Wilberforce who single handedly started to turn

(02:13:08):
this tide. And he did it because of his Christian principles.
And that's the point of this article to talk about
how effective and how necessary it is for Christians to
hold to those principles. It's not just about winning. It's
not about that at all. The whole reason he did
this fight. And understand, take the biggest things that are

(02:13:31):
out there, that this is like one guy taking on
all of the technocracy, or one guy taking on all
of the oil industry, or all the military industrial complex,
or all the pharmaceuticals, or roll those all together, big pharma,
big food, the military industrial complex, roll those all together.
That was slavery at the time in his country. He

(02:13:54):
took all that on and he won, And he won
because he stood on principle. Wilberforce's work is not merely historical.
It provides a timeless model for how Christians can and
should engage in public life. It calls us to integrate faith, reason,
and courage into our engagement with public policy. Wilberforce's approach

(02:14:16):
to public policy was unapologetically grounded in Christian morality. By
the way, this article is from Christian posts. He spoke
boldly as a Christian and parliament addressing his nation's accountability
to God. Even in a society that might appear more
receptive to Christian values on our own, such declarations were
not always welcome. Yeah, not even in Britain at that time,

(02:14:41):
which is far more accepting of Christian values than America
is now. Wilberforce begins and ends with a solemn warning.
He said the slave trade was an abominable evil that
placed the British Empire under the judgment of God. His
moral clarity cut through the political obediency, challenging his contemporaries

(02:15:02):
to see the slave trade not as an economic necessity,
but as a profound moral failing. Same thing is true
of abortion today, isn't it? And so many other issues.
We always have culture as downstream from religion, and politics
is downstream from culture. Well d Force paired his moral

(02:15:25):
convictions with a meticulous research and evidence. He often spent
fourteen hours a day studying and gathering facts about the
slave trade, a pace that he eventually moderated for the
sake of his health. The rigorous preparation, though, allowed him
to systematically counter every objection raised by his opponents. Folks,

(02:15:46):
if you don't read, you can't lead. You've got to
lead with the facts, especially if you're going to do
things then in the name of truth and the name
of morality, and do things in the name of God.
You've got to lead with the truth, and you've got
to know what that is. In his letter on the

(02:16:06):
Abolition of the Slave Trade, Wilberforce methodically dismantled pro slavery arguments,
presenting a case so thorough so compelling that it could
not be ignored. His work underscore is the importance of
combining moral passion with intellectual precision and a lot of
hard work. Right, He said, it's not enough to simply

(02:16:26):
declare what is right. We have to also engage and reasoned,
evidence based advocacy. Whether the issue is religious freedom, the
sanctity of life, or justice for the marginalized, we must
be prepared to make our case with clarity and convictions
for us today. He faced fierce opposition from powerful interest

(02:16:47):
tied to the slave trade and to colonial economies, and
at one point he was challenged to a duel by
a slave ship captain, and he received multiple death threats
that he pressed on with unwavering determination. Wilberforce confronts his
opponent's head on in his book, arguing that the abolition

(02:17:07):
of the slave trade would ultimately benefit the economy. He
declared that even if economic loss has occurred, the moral
imperative to end quote the most enormous crime of slavery
outweighed everything else. You know, we have to understand, and
the founders of this country understood that prosperity like liberty

(02:17:31):
are a blessing from God, and that should be our
first concern. Our first concern should be to seek God's blessing,
and that means that we follow the principles that he
laid out as I say here in the Christian post
where Christians today engaging in public life off a means
standing against cultural tides and enduring criticism and hostility. Wilberforce's

(02:17:56):
example challenges us to speak the truth and love regardless
of the cost. Transformational change is possible when Christians engage
the public square with conviction and perseverance. That is the
legacy that was taught to us by William Wilberforce.

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Speaker 14 (02:20:00):
Oh Hi, my name is Brian Hooker, and I'm the

(02:22:39):
Chief Scientific Officer for Children's Health Defense and I want
to talk to you about an important initiative of HD
called the COVID Index. This is the information that the
powers that be did not want you to see this
web repository refute the narrative of the official narrative regarding

(02:23:02):
COVID nineteen.

Speaker 11 (02:23:03):
It has a.

Speaker 18 (02:23:05):
Very very comprehensive, easy to use search engine, so you
can search readily and also get direct excerpts from every
entry in the COVID indepth. There's so much information out
there that needs to be curated, and this is a
place where it has been done and is being done continuously.

(02:23:27):
So I highly recommend that you check out this resource
at www.

Speaker 11 (02:23:32):
Dot COVID index dot science.

Speaker 1 (02:23:37):
All right, welcome back, And that was a little introductory
video that you will find at that site, COVID index,
dot science. I didn't even have a dot science. I
guess they did that in honor of Fauci. It'd be
interesting to get the domain name. I am dot science.
Joining us now is doctor Brian Hooker with A. He's

(02:24:00):
a chief Scientific Officer at Children's Health Defense, formerly the
Department Chair and Professor Emeritith of Biology at Simpson University,
and I have been following his very valuable research and
the very valuable things that Children's Health Defense had through
this massive pandemic. Mcguffin that we always talk about and
it's good to you know, we can look at this

(02:24:21):
stuff and we can understand the motivations of these people,
and we can sanity check it. But it's important to
have the scientific information that's there as well, and that's
what doctor Hooker provides. You know. It was actually Children's
Health Defense, and I think ICON that when they sued

(02:24:42):
the CDC, the CDC is part of the vaccine, holding
them not responsible for any damage that they did to
the kids. I forget the exact name of the nineteen
eighty six act, and you probably know what that is,
doctor Hooker. What's the name of that official act.

Speaker 11 (02:24:59):
It's called the nineteen eighty six National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.
And then set up the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
And a program was up and running at about nineteen eighty.

Speaker 1 (02:25:11):
Nine, and they were supposed to be tracking as part
of that agreement. They were supposed to track the adverse
events and to make recommendations and so forth, and so
I remember RFK Junior and Dell big Tree at ICON
asked them, you know, we'd like to see your records
and see what recommendations you have made, and so forth,
and so on. They stalled installed installed and wouldn't comply

(02:25:33):
with it. Finally they had a judge that forced them
to give the information. You could see that for thirty
plus years they had not been concerned about any of
this stuff. They've kept no records at all. And so
it's very important when we come into this if we
understand what the priorities of these people are. That it's
not your health, that's the profits of the corporations and
the revolving door that is there. That's an important thing

(02:25:55):
to start with. But what doctor Hooker has provided is
beyond that, and it gives us the tools that we
need in order to try to help educate people. And
they've got a new resource now, covidindex dot Science. So
that long introduction, Thank you so much for joining us,
and really to appreciate you coming on today.

Speaker 11 (02:26:14):
Well you're very welcome, and I'm excited that Children's Health
Defense is hosting COVID index dot Science. It is such
an amazing repository of information of all things around the
COVID era and now what's going on the post COVID era.
You know, the mess that was created by the whole

(02:26:38):
pandemic needs to be cleaned up, and that's you know
the fallout. We're continuing to see publications come out and
publications that we feel are bad or fraudulent, that are
not good science. We want to make sure that those
are critique in the COVID Index, and then also the

(02:27:00):
good science that's coming out so people will know, you know,
what's going on with things like remdese are hospital protocols,
the vaccine, the therapies that work that have been disparaged
like ivermectin and hydroxy core quin and vitamin D three
and zinc and you know. So we've got sort of

(02:27:22):
a historical basis and we've built this edifice of information
and it's and it's a living database. We're we're always
updating the COVID Index, so when things come out, then
we can feature the new information. And some of the
information pouring out, like ties to things like autism as

(02:27:46):
well as neurodevelopmental disabilities for individuals that got the shot
in pregnancy is and also, you know, one of the
things that practitioners are talking about are turbo cancers. It
seems so many turbo cancers that we believe that the
vaccine played a role in either causing that cancer or

(02:28:12):
hastening the growth of that cancer.

Speaker 1 (02:28:14):
Yes, I remember, and I remember pathologist doctor Ryan Cole
talking in the spring of twenty twenty one as it's
really starting to roll out in a large way. He said,
I'm looking at patients and I'm seeing that it's damaging
their killer tea cells and he goes and that's when
I first heard the term turbo cancer. I think he
was talking about that. He said, it's really going to

(02:28:35):
cause that to explode, because that's your body's first defense
against cancer cells, the killer T cells. And so I
guess the first question I would have for you, what
about people who got the shots Many of the listeners
have hopefully they haven't gotten it, but perhaps they have
family or friends who have all types of things. Are

(02:28:57):
there going to be resources there at covidindex dot com
science that would help people who have been exposed to
this pathogen.

Speaker 11 (02:29:05):
Yes, there are resources on recovery from COVID vaccine injury.
That is a part of the database. And I would
also encourage those individuals that are suffering and they really
don't know where to go because so many practitioners either
don't acknowledge that it happens, or they'll throw up their
hands and say I have no idea what to do,

(02:29:28):
so I would encourage those individuals to email us at
info at Children's Health Defense dot or org and ask
that question directly. You know, I can't really recommend practitioners,
you know, in an interview or in that particular setting,
but at least we can let people know what practitioners
are in the area, or what practitioners are especially are

(02:29:50):
specializing in those types of cancers or in those types
of difficulties. Like you know, long COVID vaccine injury is
extremely prevent A lot of people are having symptoms that
are similar to fibromyalgia that either got COVID or got
the COVID shot, and we're finding circulating spike protein in

(02:30:11):
these individuals that got the COVID shot for upwards to
two years after they got their last vaccine. So things
can be done, and things need to be done.

Speaker 1 (02:30:20):
Yes, I had an interview years ago with an injuried
orthopedic surgeon who could no longer work because his hands
were shaking and he kept going to follow physicians, and
you know, as soon as he would say he thought
it was a vaccine injury, and this is what they
would just basically they can't help you. You know, they
would run away. It just tells us so much about

(02:30:41):
the state of medicine right now, doesn't it, Even to
the extent that he finally went to somebody and the
guy said, all right, I've got some things here that
I think will help you, but we're not going to
talk about what caused it. I mean, that kind of
fear is like a tutalitarian, stalinisque state. I mean, this
is the kind of stuff that souls in this and
talked about in Soviet Union.

Speaker 16 (02:31:03):
It is.

Speaker 11 (02:31:04):
And you know, we were so fortunate California had a
bill to actually codify that so physicians and providers could
not deviate from the standard of care. They could not
talk about things that were outside of like rem Deservie
or pax loavid or Mono pulvinair that were the sort

(02:31:26):
of you know, patented technologies that we're going to give
the most money, you know, to government scientists, and so
they could not deviate from that line. They we could
never talk about ivermatin. That bill passed, but fortunately it
was overturned by a court decision and the bill the
California legislature withdrewid. But many practitioners do not know that

(02:31:50):
that they have the freedom to be able to deviate
from the standard of care. Many are afraid, you know,
because of individuals that have been persecuted, that have lost
their certifications, things like that. But you know, quite honestly,
I know the practitioners that have gone through the persecution
that have lost their certifications, they fight back, they win,

(02:32:14):
and so many of them are still in practice today.
And I'm glad for people like Ryan Cole, for Peter McCullough,
for pr Corey. They've really fought the system and are
still seeing patients, treating patients and doing a lot of good.

Speaker 1 (02:32:29):
That's great, Yeah, it is. It is horrific to look
at how corrupt the system is. And of course they
got a lot of different ways that they can come
after you. I'm pretty sure it was a Children's Health
Defense article where they were talking about how the insurance
companies will come after the pediatricians who don't follow the
vaccine schedule and get a certain percentage of their children

(02:32:50):
vaccinated on schedule. They will basically cut across the board
what they will pay these these pediatricians and basically put
them out of practice. Even if you do I don't
get some review board to pull their license. They can
pull that economic trick on you. I think that was
from children's self defense.

Speaker 11 (02:33:09):
They have done that, and they threatened that all the time.
We were able to get the incentive program for one
of the largest HMOs in the United States and it
was Anthem Blue Cross, and what we found was that
pediatricians stood to make over a half a million dollars

(02:33:30):
a year if sixty three percent or more of their
pediatric practice was fully vaccinated. They could get six hundred
dollars per patient. If they had a thousand patients that
were fully vaccinated, that was six hundred thousand dollars and
that was a yearly incentive. So you know, those individuals
that have been fired from pediatric practices because they haven't

(02:33:53):
been following the vaccine schedule, that's why. It has nothing
to do with health. It has everything to do with
a pediatry on the take.

Speaker 1 (02:34:01):
Yeah, that's right. And of course we look at the
whole COVID thing. I was absolutely amazed. I remember it
was in August of twenty twenty. The American Hospital Association
was saying, wait a minute, you told us you're going
to give us a twenty percent bonus, And now you're
telling us that we got to give you our PCR test.
You told us at the beginning that you didn't have
enough of them and that they didn't work anyway. Right,
this is amazing. You know, I've been shouting about that

(02:34:23):
now for five years, and people just don't realize how
they use financial strings to get their way with people,
and how they were financially incentivizing people. So you just
point at them and say they got COVID nine thousand dollars,
you put on a ventilator, We're going to give you
thirty nine thousand dollars. We'll give you a twenty percent
bonus on everything that you do if you say this
person has COVID. I mean the whole thing was bought

(02:34:45):
and paid for, wasn't it.

Speaker 11 (02:34:47):
It really was, And that you know, there was there
was sort of an economic dearth right during the shutdown
because they were shutting down hospitals and telling and taking
elective surgeries and things like that and telling them to
stay home. So then they waive these incentive programs come
you know, July August of twenty twenty to the providers

(02:35:09):
to the hospitals, and and really you know, force them
into a situation where many of them just had to
go along. You know, let's diagnose COVID, let's diagnose you know,
we're we're not going to give effective therapies. We really
want to put people on ventilators because they got more
money for ventilated patients and that were in ICU, and

(02:35:34):
so that forced many many more patients into that whole
system where they got worse and worse and worse, and
I think a lot of them. David died of bacterial pneumonia,
but they you know, they were never tested for the
you know, agree it's a bacteria, and they were allowed
to die. It was just a crying shame and people

(02:35:55):
should go to jail over this.

Speaker 1 (02:35:56):
Yes, yes, I'm putting people on the ventilator and that
type of thing. We have Grace Sheriff's case and they're
reopening that again. And that was another one of these cases,
just basically hospital murder, but it do not resuscitate but
on a ventilator. But I wanted to ask you a
couple of things because there's been some disappointment with on

(02:36:19):
my part and as well as a lot of my
listeners with what's going on with MAHA. Disappointed that the
MR and a JAB is still there. I mean, we've
had the process, and I understand there's a lot of
inertia here. I understand there's a real political fight there.
And I kind of watched this as it's been developing
in Florida, whichose Ah Flatipo there. First they came back

(02:36:41):
and they said, well, we don't recommend it, you know,
but you know, if you get it, you can go
ahead and get it, but they're not going to ban it,
and then gradually moving into that, you know, first saying
we strongly we don't recommend it. We're not going to
force anymore. But now we strongly do not recommend it.
But they were actually come in with a ban on

(02:37:02):
this kind of stuff. And it's so frustrating because we
have seen in the past when a handful of people
died over a vaccine or over a medicine, they would
pull it, and that is not happening now. They will
pull it. If you've got a couple of children who
die because of a faulty baby crib, they pull all
of them off the market. But they don't do that

(02:37:22):
with this, And so the question is, you know, what
is happening, Why don't we see a ban of the mRNA,
and of course what Latipo has moved to is to
say that now pointing out the fact there's a lot
of DNA contamination in the vaccines, and say this is
something that should cause you to pull this off the market,

(02:37:43):
but it's not. And so at what point do you
think this is going to happen or is it going
to happen?

Speaker 11 (02:37:50):
I want it to happen desperately. You know, we have
things that are not on the open market that are
not sold or distributed ever because they're poisoned. We call
them poisoned. And so when you look at the mRNA shot,
it is it is pure poison. It is basically you know,
and people unfortunately are up in arms that they want

(02:38:13):
their COVID boosters. They want their COVID boosters. I know
people personally that are on their seventh or ade booster
and they are addicted to these things, and you're wonder like, well,
why are you still around because they are so so
toxic and we've seen so many people affected. You know,
I believe that in the United States easily, if the

(02:38:34):
calculations were done, we'd see over a million people who
have died because of the COVID shot. But the AHHS
has been dragging its seals, and I think that part
of it is, you know, the more the administration end
of it and not the AHHS end of it, because

(02:38:55):
I know, you know, I know Secretary Kennedy. I've worked
with Secretary Kennedy for you know, twelve years before he
became Secretary Kennedy, and it is his heart and his
plan to be able to get rid of that technology
because it's it was never sort of been rolled out.
People knew historically that that type of technology was bad

(02:39:18):
news and it was a grand medical experiment, you know,
basically a big clinical trial that was head up by
Tony Fauci and it should never happened. That man belongs
in jail. You know, we're pushing as hard as we
can push, and honestly, there are people on the inside
of AHHS that are rooting for us and say no,

(02:39:39):
push harder, push harder, because we have this behemoth of
an organization that doesn't want to change. We have deep
state people in AHHS that don't want to change, so
we need more pressure.

Speaker 1 (02:39:52):
And of course when we look at this, so I
think we really dodged the bullet there with Susan Monrez
being taken out of the CDC. You know, she was
somebody who was at BARTA and ARPA H and very
focused on mr and A plus AI. And we know
that Trump was pushing that on, like his first day
in office with Stargate, he had Larry Elson there saying, yeah,

(02:40:14):
we're going to do an AI assessment of even will
custom make an mRNA thing there. So I was very
concerned as to what was going to happen there. And
of course that's created a lot of pushback against RFK
And they said, well, you just fired her because of
a personal disagreement or something, you know, in subordination because
he wanted some of these other people fired and she

(02:40:36):
said no, no, no, I'm not going to fire them, and
so he fired her. What do you know about that?
Do you think that he gets that that he's pushing
back against the mRNA that's basically being put out there
for everything. I mean we had at USDA with this administration,
with the Trump administration, we had Brooke Rawlins, who with
all this bird flu in Sandy in the mass culling

(02:40:58):
of chickens that was happening with Biden. Her big solution was, well,
we'll give the m r and a bird flu shot
to all the chickens and then that'll be fine. And
that's also to the chicken, to the cattle and to
the pigs as well all of our food supply. And
so she has the authority to approve that for agricultural issues.

(02:41:19):
But on the other side, the mRNA things that are there,
especially when you combine it with artificial intelligence, very very concerning.
What do you know about the what's going on with
Monorez and the rest of the stuff when you're talking
about deep state, I mean, that's what I think of
as BARDA and ARPA H and these insidious programs that
are out there. It seems like there's a lot of
people in the Trump administration. Trump is working with Larry

(02:41:41):
Ellison and of course Burt Corallins is in on all
that as well. What's your take on.

Speaker 11 (02:41:46):
That, Well, not, you know, not all that litters this
gold even in AHHS and so you know the by
Susan Manrez being fired and then other you know CDC
officials taking their toys in going home. I mean, they
did this a huge favor. You know, they needed to

(02:42:07):
be fired anyway. So it was like, okay, you know,
don't let it. Don't let the door hit your butt on.

Speaker 4 (02:42:12):
The way out.

Speaker 11 (02:42:13):
So we were, you know, we were very very fortunate
to that there has to be more of a mass
exodus of these individuals because mRNA technology is sort of
this new play toy and scientists think, oh well, let's
plug and play. We can we can just you know,

(02:42:35):
program AI to tell us what the next pathogen is.
And they have this buzzword that they're hiding behind called
universal vaccination. And so when you look at the buzzword
universal vaccination, and even Jay Bodicharia put it out in
a memo talking about a new vaccine platform, it was

(02:42:55):
mr and A written all over it. That needs to go.
You know, I've already you know, emailed him directly and said,
you know what, universal vaccination is covered for gain and function.
And so that means that you're that you're weaponizing and
and you're basically giving permission for scientists in the NIH

(02:43:15):
to weaponize H five N one, to weaponize you know,
sar c ov two or whatever monkey pots and so
they can have the pathogen pathogendsore and if that leads out,
then that's the whole pandemic that you know, Fauci is
sitting on the edge of a seat waiting for so

(02:43:36):
we can you know, somehow swoop in and save the
day again. But these these are bad, These are horrible technologies.
Nobody has talked about innate immune suppression that happens when
you get mRNA shots. Nobody's talked about the effect of
the lipid nanoparticle on the immune system.

Speaker 1 (02:43:56):
And I think you shots excuse me, I think you
mentioned that the very beginning. I remember in the fall
of twenty twenty when they were talking about it. There
was an article and I think it was you that
was involved in it that questioned the idea of this
PEG elation, the PEG encapsulation, and he says, this is
going to create anaphylactic shock. And I've told this to

(02:44:17):
people many times. I said, they told you, Tod you
contacted the FDA and said, well, I don't care about it.
Contact Fiser. Of course, Ffiser doesn't care. If the FDA
doesn't care. That was you, I think at Children's Health
Defense was it?

Speaker 11 (02:44:30):
It was Children's Health Defense and I was working with
a distinguished colleague, Lynn Redwood on that. And it turns
out that because of exposure to PEG. Seventy five percent
of population the United States carries PEG antibodies, and so
that meant, you know that and many people did go

(02:44:51):
into anaphylaxis and you know, sudden analoflactic shot shock after
getting the job. And so you know, it was predictable.
It was highly predictable. Why would you code, you know,
this lipid nanoparticle with a known allergen. You know it's
a recipe for disaster, but it's convenient. People say, oh, well,

(02:45:15):
you know you have immune reactions all the time. They
frankly didn't really care. They didn't want to do the experimentation.
They just wanted to roll out a vaccine. And they
were paid handsomely to the chain of about two hundred
and fifty billion dollars over the course of the pandemic
in sales of those shots.

Speaker 1 (02:45:33):
Yeah, it's amazing how many billionaires they coined with that
minature shows the utter disregard for safety and help that
exists in these institutions and these corporations. I've got a
question here from Flower Sower. Thank you for the tip.
Flower Stoer, Please ask doctor Hooker when Children's Health Defense
is going to pursue and promote removing the protection the
pharmaceutical industry hides behind with a nineteen eighty six HANC.

(02:45:57):
Why isn't this a priority for HDC.

Speaker 11 (02:45:59):
Yes, well, I am so grateful for that question, because
we are working on it. We're working with key legislators
that we can't name right now on you know, being
able to abolish the nineteen eighty six Act. We're also
working with HHS who is trying to re envision the Act.

(02:46:22):
I mean, frankly, my own opinion is that it just
needs to go that it needs to go away, and
then we need guardrails for protection of families of vaccine
injured kids. We need at least a one time look
back for those that were denied justice, especially around the
Omnibus autism proceedings. You know my family and this is

(02:46:44):
why I fight this. My family was in vaccine court
for sixteen years. We filed our claim in May of
twenty to twenty two, and we did not get a
decision and we were not allowed to even go to
oral arguments because of a sort of a vendetta. I

(02:47:04):
believe that our special masks are had against our expert witnesses,
you know, regarding the toxicity of mercury. You know, my
son got a full wall of mercury from his vaccines
that never should have been in there. And arguably mercury
does cause neurodevelopment all disorders. And so we were never
never given our day in court. There are thousands upon

(02:47:26):
thousands of families just like that, and they all need justice.
They all need their day in court. They were promised
that by the Seventh Amendment in the fourteenth Amendment, and
they were never given in.

Speaker 1 (02:47:37):
And that's one of the things that was the key
AHA moment for me when I found out about the
nineteen eighty six Act, very important. That's why you know,
I've talked many times about doctor Andrew Wakefield's movie nineteen
eighty six of the Act, I think is the name
of it, and it's a dramatization of how it affects
a family when you do something like that. Basically that

(02:47:59):
shows what the this is truly all about. And that
should be the moment I think we need to spread
the news far and wide if we can't stop this,
if people at least understand that they have absolutely no liability,
and that, as we said before, if somebody you got
a crib and you might have one or two freak
accidents with that crib. They recall all of them and

(02:48:20):
massifines for the manufacturers, but nothing for this. No matter
how many people they kill, it's absolutely amazing the damage
that they're allowed to get away with it. And that
is that type of stuff that you know, I look
at and it's like, Okay, well I know what's going
on here. That's how I make my decisions. But it's
always good to have a scientist who's going to go

(02:48:41):
through and tell people what the mechanisms are to get
them to understand that. You know, there was just a
recent article on Reason. I haven't covered it on the
show yet, but I was absolutely stunned to see this
article from Reason saying, well, we were told we're all
going to die, and look, I'm still alive. I got
the vaccine. I know a lot of people got the
vaccine and they're still alive. And again, this is another

(02:49:03):
one of the issues why when you have the COVID
index dot science, it's good to have the truth that
is out there. We had a lot of people who
made predictions that everybody that got this vaccine is going
to be dead within a year or so. A guy
that I used to work for said that, and that
is making that is essentially an alibi for these people

(02:49:23):
because they can point to that exaggeration and say that
didn't work. And of course, when reason looks at this,
they should know first of all, that the statistics are
being suppressed, they're being lied to about it. They understand that.
They see that all the time, whether you're talking about
unemployment figures or we're talking about inflation figures. They know
the government lies with statistics. They should expect that the
government is going to lie with statistics about this when

(02:49:45):
they rush something to market. But the other part of
it is the individual variation that we see from person
to person. But there's the third thing that I wanted
to ask you about, and that is there was research
that was done by Naomi Wolf, and they went through
and look at the different batches. And I remember at
the very beginning of this again back in August September,

(02:50:06):
the CDC was putting out information about a form that
they wanted the health providers to collect information on about
the vaccine. And so they want all your personal information,
your address and so forth and so on, and the
only other thing they kept about the vaccine was the
lot number. And I talked about that at the time
because I said, it's kind of ominous that they get

(02:50:28):
all this personal information and there's a box there that
says refused. I said, what are they going to do
with that? And so I said, you know, be aware
of that that's there, that you know, they're going to
keep a record of you if you refuse. But they
kept the lot information and she went back in her
research and they found a tremendous variation. I think it
was like thirtyfold from the least to the most active

(02:50:51):
ingredients that were in there. Is that something you're aware of.
Is that something that is still going on.

Speaker 11 (02:50:57):
It is still going on in a lot to a
lot of variability with this type of technology. Is is
you know, very very you know, the margins for error
are really really large, and that's not something you want
to see. And anything that you would put in your body.
We saw that, you know, the first batches that were

(02:51:18):
rolled out had so many adverse events that you know,
maybe eighty thousand and sixty thousand would be distributed and
then they would quietly pull them off the market and
not tell anybody that that was a hot lot. And
you can actually go, you know, to a tracking site
that tracks the adverse events on bears and just google

(02:51:40):
how bad is my badge, and that will tell you,
you know, what adverse events have been reported for that
particular batch of vaccines. That's the lot of information that
you need. And we know that historically lots and lots
of vaccines, not just the COVID shot, have been subject

(02:52:02):
to this level of poor biotechnology processing. You look at
the MRK MMR vaccine MMR two that was introduced, I
believe in the United States in about nineteen seventy eight.
Nobody knows the exact concentration of virus in that vaccine.
Nobody has ever really done the quality control and so

(02:52:26):
the lot to lot variability is very very high. And
the only thing that we do know because of whistleblowers
that have come out of MRK, is that the maximum
concentration of virus in that vaccine is much much higher
than what the FDA ever approved. And so it's another
grand medical experiment, and we know when that happened. It

(02:52:49):
happened in nineteen ninety nine. They started doing a process
called overfilling the batches and boosting the virus concentrations. That's
when anaphalactic shot really started in earnest and death really
started in earnest. For the MMR vaccines, after they boosted
those virus concentrations, you can see it clear as those

(02:53:09):
on your face if you do a var's analysis.

Speaker 1 (02:53:11):
Wow. And that's the other thing too, you know, besides
the fact they don't have any liability so they don't
have to care. It's just the lackadaisical, haphazard attitude of this.
Of all things medicines and pharmaceuticals that are very concentrated,
they are carefully controlled in terms of the amounts of
whatever that it is that you're getting. And that I
always looked at that and I kind of thought doctor

(02:53:33):
Hooker that maybe what they were doing was that was
maybe part of the experiment, you know, experimenting on everybody,
because when you're trying to roll out something, you're trying
to find the sweet spot between something that is going
to be toxic because it's too much, and something's going
to be ineffective because it's too little. And said, it
looks to me like a massive experiment to play around

(02:53:53):
with people. But it's just absolute disregard for any standards
of safety or medicine.

Speaker 11 (02:54:00):
It's there, really is. It is abysmal. And when you
look at the level of contamination in biologics, you know,
FDA is separated into two divisions, two main divisions or centers.
There's the Centers for Drugs Evaluation and Research and then

(02:54:21):
the Center of Biologics Evaluation and Research. It's called SIEBER.
But historically those biotech drugs, they come from a soup
that has been fermented with a particular genetically modified organism.
A lot of times it's E. Coli that is involved
in that. So you get carryover of E. Coal I proteins,

(02:54:41):
you get carryover of these proteins, you get carryover a
foreign DNA, and in the case of the mr and
A jabs, then you have carryover of virus particles like
SV forty and SV forty we know causes cancer. It
is known to be carcinogenic.

Speaker 1 (02:55:02):
Yeah, it's just awful. I've got a couple of questions here,
several questions as a matter of fact, with the audience,
Jerry al Atalo says, please ask doctor Hooker how he
feels about I N F AK y I L d
I Z public admission that COVID mRNA injections are nanoscale
machines programmed for human injection. I don't know who that

(02:55:24):
individual is. Are you familiar with this work and that statement?

Speaker 11 (02:55:27):
No, do you thank you about I'm not familiar with
the work, but you know, I will say I have
not observed this directly. I obtained some of the MR
and A technology shots myself examined them under the microscope,
you know, just use face contrast. My cross could be

(02:55:48):
to see what I could find and then tried to
incubate it over a period of time at physiological temperature.
And the backs that I saw did not have that
in it. I'm not saying that it doesn't because again,
you know, David, nothing surprises me anymore when I see
the things that the government has gotten away with and

(02:56:10):
knowingly got with with, you know, with horrible poisons that
should have never been introduced, like remdesevir. You know, redesever
killed the organs that caused the lungs to fill up
with fluid, and then the patients had to be intubated
to force the fluid out of the lungs because the
tissue in the lungs was dying. So so many different

(02:56:32):
things have been foisted is that is that technology readily
available and off the shelf. Oh, most definitely, most definitely
they could do that. Did they do it? That's something
I'm still investigating, and I honestly do not know.

Speaker 1 (02:56:46):
Let me ask you this. This is something else I covered.
I remember when it happened in Japan. They had two
different batches of over a million each. It's like one
was a million, the other was like one point two
million of these Pfizer NA mRNA things. And they noticed
that there were black particulates in it. And they also

(02:57:08):
noticed that they interacted with magnets, and they threw all
of them away and that was briefly reported, and then
they then disappeared. And uh, I was just wondering, are
you familiar with that? Could you verify that that that happened? Anything?

Speaker 11 (02:57:24):
I know, individuals that you could do that experiment on
and you know at the injection side and it was magnetic. Wow,
what I make of that?

Speaker 1 (02:57:34):
Was there?

Speaker 11 (02:57:35):
You know? Were their magnetic particles in the vaccine? Yeah?
The technology exists, So it is we need all of
the documentation of Pfizer. There's a big, big reason why
Pfizer wanted to see those records for seventy six years. Yeah,
because you know that is you know, we're going to

(02:57:55):
find a witches brew in there.

Speaker 1 (02:57:57):
Yes, yeah, and the connection with Dharpa. Yeah, actually Garba
and Bart and everything right there that point, so which
has brew of some sort. I was just wondering if maybe,
you know, it showed up in Japan because of a
long travel time, maybe there was an issue with refrigeration,
because of the unusual issue about how unusually cold it
had to be kept. But it's also it seems like

(02:58:19):
the Japanese are a little bit more open and honest
about some of these things. They were at first one
to report about the biodistribution issues, and that was something
that people reported on that got severely punished in the West,
but they reported it in Japan exactly.

Speaker 11 (02:58:37):
I'm thankful for that information because we didn't know the biodistribution.
We were told lies, and I think that they were
bold face lies. I don't think that they were just
mistakes or miss speaking. I think those people had the distribution.
They did animal studies, surely they had the distribution information
at that time. In fact, what was leaked in Japan

(02:58:58):
was a Pfizer document.

Speaker 1 (02:59:00):
Yes, yes, gotten another question here from Karen Carpenter twenty
seven with Knights of the Storm says a question, please
comment on Susan Monarez and the Vaccine Safety Data Link.
Is the VSD accessible for studies?

Speaker 11 (02:59:16):
That is a horrible mess, and I think that we
need to apply pressure on AHHS. I think we need
to apply pressure on Congress to open up the Vaccine
Safety Data Link. The Vaccine Safety Data Link is a
ongoing record of about ten million patients enrolled in ten

(02:59:37):
different HMOs. It's all de identified anonymised, so you can't
figure out what patient is what. You can't get any
typee an the information from that. But the doctor Dosca
Locis I forget his first name, he hid, literally hid

(03:00:01):
and then bragged about hiding the Vaccine Safety Data Link
from Secretary Kennedy for the first seven months that Secretary
Kennedy was in office, and then doctor Daska lookas then
ended up resigning in protests with Manares. Now we know
it's there. Now, we know that the Vaccine Safety Data
Link is there, but there are contractual hiccups that keep

(03:00:24):
anybody from getting data. From two thousand and two on,
we do not have that information, and we need to
demand that information. Because you know, there's so many different things.
There were so many different vaccines that were introduced that
have never been adequately studied. There are even unvaccinated individuals
in the Vaccine Safety Data Link because it's not required.

(03:00:47):
The patient enrollment doesn't require vaccination, so I know they
have you know, they have tens of thousands of records
for individuals that they've never seen a vaccine. So we
need all that information. Honorez was hiding it, Doscolocus was
hiding it should go to jail. And now the head

(03:01:07):
of the Immunization saw his Safety Office, I believe his
name is Mike McNeil is stonewalling to allow Secretary Kennedy
and his advisors to get access to that data. Again,
it's deep state gurus that have been there forever. They're
hiding this information. It needs to come open.

Speaker 1 (03:01:25):
Well again, it's the sort of thing. In another field
that I was working in, we were trying to get
climate data from doctor Michael Mann and it was something
that he had done at a public university on their
work computers, and he had published the information and it
had been used to create public policy. But he absolutely

(03:01:46):
refused to show us the data. You know, when I
see something like that same type of thing that we're
seeing with Susan Monarez and the CDC doing trying to
hide this vaccine safety data. That is an admission of guilt,
and it's admission. You know, science is not on your
side if you are afraid to show people the data
and you just want them to do what you say,

(03:02:06):
because the position you're in, that is the antithesis of science.
I've got another question here from guard Goldsmith of Liberty
Conspiracy said, I wonder if the doctor has any knowledge
of breakthroughs for long COVID. I still search finding some
interesting hope. What do you think about that?

Speaker 11 (03:02:23):
I you know, I am not a practitioner, and I
know many many good practitioners that are starting to have
breakthroughs using different cocktails of anti virals, anti parasitics, and
antibiotics that you know, that's where I'm hearing the success.

(03:02:47):
There are also, you know, and David, I thought I'd
never hear myself saying this, there are also individuals that
are using hypochlorite hypochlorus solutions. You know, they're not it's
not bleach. Everybody says, oh, it's believed, you know, No,
these are very very delete, very very safe solutions. And
they're doing nasal levage on patients that is helping clear

(03:03:12):
the virus, that's helping clear the spike. And then there
are myriad sort of recipes. Homeopathy is you know, I'm
hearing from those practicing natural pass and homeopaths are having
really really good success with long COVID in COVID vaccine injury.

Speaker 3 (03:03:37):
So you know, follow the rule that you know.

Speaker 11 (03:03:40):
Try it, do one thing at a time, see if
it works. If it doesn't work, digit and move on
to the next thing. I mean, you know, because you
shouldn't suffer. He've brought my son a tremendous amount of
way with his vaccine injury that he sustained it fifteen months.
And my house is the house of many clinical trials.
Whether it's a pathic, whether it's a natural pathic, you

(03:04:02):
know where it comes from. You know, I honestly don't care.
If it's effective, you need to use it, and if
it's not effective, then move on.

Speaker 1 (03:04:10):
I agree, I look at it, and if it's something
that is not going to be harmful, you know, I'll
try it. You know, how much does it cost, I'll
buy it. That's going back to the old song from
nineteen seventies. Let me ask you about what's going on
with autism, because I know that you spend a lot
of time with autism focusing on that. I'm looking at
this tialanoll thing. To me, it looks like a red herring.

(03:04:33):
It looks like they're trying to dodge the connection for
the vaccine stuff. What is your take on that? I mean,
I just don't see that tailanol has corresponded uptake in
talinol has changed radically. That would explain the radical change
and autism. I just don't buy that all. What do

(03:04:53):
you think about that? What do you think is that?

Speaker 11 (03:04:55):
I think you know, I've done a lot of research
on and spend a lot of time with the lead
researcher in that whole field of a seed dominifin neurodevelopmental
disorders and audism. His name is William Parker.

Speaker 1 (03:05:11):
You know.

Speaker 11 (03:05:12):
I actually sat down with him for five days and said, look,
convince me, you know, because he was hounding me about this.
And so the thing that's really convenient about Thailand all
is that it is a quick solution to a not
so quick problem. And I think that, yeah, there are

(03:05:33):
cases that are definitely associated with some type of infection,
some type of vaccination followed by a seed deminifin definitely,
you know, sort of a one two punch. But Thailand
all itself is a necessary component, but it's not sufficient.
You can't just say, oh, you know, Thailand all is bad.

(03:05:55):
It is the individuals that have genetic susceptibility that then
have a huge amount of oxidative stress, like multiple vaccines
all at the same time, and then you add thailanol
to the mix. That's really the perfect storm. So you
can't just take care of one and say, oh, we've
broken the chain. All of them need to be taken

(03:06:16):
care of, all of them need to be addressed. I
think that the administration came out with regarding tailanol because
they thought it's an easy fix, but you know it is.
We didn't get here just from thailand al We got
here from years of abuse of the system, and that
needs to be a fit fix and then we can

(03:06:37):
see the autism epidemic go away.

Speaker 1 (03:06:40):
That's good. Yeah, I feel like you know, when you
look at this, it seemed to coincide with a rapid
escalation of the vaccine schedule. Now, what is going on
with that? You know what is happening with that? I
know you were involved with the measles issue, you know
where they said a couple of people died in Texas
and you investigated that with the families, and the media
is still selling that narrative. I think you effectively debunked

(03:07:03):
that that was what had happened there. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (03:07:05):
Yeah, they died of bacterial pneumonia. It was left untreated.

Speaker 1 (03:07:08):
Yes, but I'm still seeing mainstream articles saying, oh, I
killed two people and so forth. And you know, so
what are the chances of us pulling back on this
vaccine schedule? I know that it's tremendous support within the
bureaucracy and the corporations and the media, and I guess
that's another part of it. What's going to happen with
the ads? The issue with that? I know that RFK

(03:07:31):
Junior has talked about that.

Speaker 3 (03:07:34):
Well.

Speaker 11 (03:07:34):
My hope is that, you know, direct to consumer pharmaceutical
advertising will go by the wayside. I mean, it's gotten ridiculous,
it is absolutely you know, Innan, I watched News and
Old People TV. So you know, my wife is a
serial addict to the Hallmark channel, and so it's it's
all the drugs, biologics and vaccines that you can push

(03:07:56):
on old people. Yeah, you know, every day, every ad
it is very infrequent that you see anything else, and
so those need to be pulled. They and I believe
that Secretary Kennedy is working stepwise to get there too.

Speaker 1 (03:08:13):
I believe that they're de facto fraudulent, you know, in
the sense that you know, ask your doctor, well, you're not.
You don't understand that they're not giving you all the
information that you need to make an informed decision. And
so it is really fraudulent what they're putting out there.
Even if they have somebody rattling off very rapidly all
the adverse effects that they are going to talk about,

(03:08:34):
it's still not sufficient to be truthful. I think.

Speaker 11 (03:08:38):
No, No, it doesn't tell you tell you how effective
that that particular therapy is. It doesn't tell you how
the effectives the vaccine is at preventing that particular disease.
I mean, we see, you know, over and over again RSV, shingles, pneumonia,
you know, flew over and over again, But they don't.

Speaker 4 (03:08:58):
You know.

Speaker 11 (03:08:58):
The dirty little secret is years that when you get
the flu shot, you're more likely to get the flu
than if you didn't get the flu shot.

Speaker 1 (03:09:06):
Oh yeah, and so you know they're saying that over
and over again. Yeah, pretty much every year. People who
get it, they get it right away. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (03:09:15):
And we know individuals that got the tri valent the
quad valent flu shot got them for their babies and
the babies died within hours. I mean, we're investigating several
cases of sis right now that were the quadra valance
flu shot.

Speaker 1 (03:09:29):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (03:09:29):
And it's just it's such a shame, you know, when
you see these babies die, yes, and then you know
the entire system is there to cover it up. We
want to be able to expose it.

Speaker 1 (03:09:42):
It's just terrifict. Yeah. I've played a clip several times
of a lady that was on social media and she
said it wasn't until she saw the sudden adult death
syndrome stuff that was out there that it clicked with her.
And she said, I killed my baby, And I said
so many times I wish I could talk to her.
She didn't kill her baby. A's people who lied to her,
people who knew better, who killed her baby for money.

(03:10:03):
That's the saddest thing about it. I've got a couple
more comments here. Real Jason Barker with Knights of the Storm.
So the CDC took down the publicly available tools that
show excess death spikes after the vaccine rollout. That's very
damning info right there. In reply to a person who
said I can't even get the excess death statistics anymore,

(03:10:24):
I could in twenty twenty two for every year since
it started to be recorded. What's going on with that?
And do you have that information there at covidindex dot science.

Speaker 11 (03:10:33):
That has been pulled down? And I believe that that's
addressed in COVID index dot science. We do not have
the new data regarding access does And it's weird because
I published on excess desks and DMAD, the Department of
Defense Medical Epidemiological Database. I published oncs desks in twenty
twenty two from the rollout of the vaccine, and all

(03:10:59):
of a sudden, all this stuff just dried up. CDC
was no longer reporting XS deaths on their website. There's
so many show games on. You know, you've got to
the National Center for Health Statistics. They never they never
say flu deaths. They always say influenza and pneumonia. They
combine those two categories. So people will get scared and

(03:11:21):
get their flu shots, even though they're not effective at
preventing death, preventing serious illness, and many times not even
effective at doing the flu. So yeah, a lot of
those data bases are pulled down. I do encourage any
and everybody to FOYA the CDC for specific information. It's
as simple as an email. Just you know, Foyer request

(03:11:44):
at CDC dot gov, FOIA request at CDC dot gov.
You know, put very concise language of what you want,
limit you know, the ass to specific information, and then
by law they have to respond you within thirty days.

Speaker 1 (03:12:01):
Yeah. I remember when they did that with the Defense
Department's database of d MED stuff. I remember there's some
doctors that saw how things were exploding in a lot
of different areas and their absurd reply wise, well, not
that there was something going on with the vaccine. But
they went back and they looked at it, they compared
it over five years. They said, well, all of our
data for five years is wrong, and it's like, come on, right,

(03:12:24):
and then the next thing, you know, they pulled it
all down. I mean, if this isn't the most juvenile
cover up, it's just absolutely amazing. It would be comical
if it wasn't so horrific what it's doing to people's lives.
I've got let's see bulldogs says they could have very
specifically targeted people by lot number. Yeah, they could, SG Sutton.

(03:12:47):
Can doctor Hooker tell us about the volunteer opportunity with
the COVID Index?

Speaker 11 (03:12:53):
Oh, that is so good. That is such a great question.
If you look at the COVID index dots, there is
a box that you can click on to volunteer, and
these volunteers they're basically individuals that go out and they
get new information, newly published information for the COVID Index.

(03:13:16):
They curate it. You know, it's very very simple. You
fill out a very very simple form and then once
you filled out that form, then it goes to a
very small committee and then they give you thumbs up
or thumbs down, like, oh yeah, this should go on
the COVID And it's about ninety five percent of it
does go into the index. But that helps us keep

(03:13:37):
it up to date. We have an army of volunteers
that does that and we're recruiting more volunteers. You get
free COVID Index merch you get free HD merged and
we love our volunteers that we want. I mean, there's
I know, there's a lot of people out there that
want to help that are really studious and nerdy like meat,
and they like to read this literature. And so you know,

(03:13:59):
if that is your vibe, if that's the thing that
you'd like to do, make sure that you check out
that volunteer Opportunities tab on COVID index dot Science.

Speaker 1 (03:14:09):
That's great, that's great. And again yeah, Covidindex, dot Science,
and they have I guess most of them are one
minute videos that you can just very easily click on
the thing and share it on social media. Get this
information around. That's the most important thing. People are not
informed or they're misinformed about what's going on here, and
so it's very important to get those videos that they've

(03:14:29):
put together out there. I got one more question here
from Karen Carpenter when Nice of the Storm says, does
doctor Hooker think that ultrasound and Wi FI EMF could
play a role in autism? What do you think about that?

Speaker 11 (03:14:43):
I absolutely believe that it plays a role on autism.
A lot of autism researchers have looked into this and
they find statistically significant correlations with EMF. You know, there
was very little reason for five G. Five G is
basically there for surveillance purposes.

Speaker 3 (03:15:02):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (03:15:03):
So not not so you can have better internet, but
so the government can know more about you. And so
you look at all these you know, new technologies, the
Internet of things. So you know, my phone can talk
to my computer, my refrigerator and you know my ironing
board or whatever. Uh, that is producing energetic signals. It's

(03:15:27):
producing energetic signals in the ir range, uh, in the
you know, in the microwave range. And that is bad
for you. I mean, there's nothing good about it. I mean,
if I have my choice, my my uh, my own
house would be hardwired. But what we do is we
turn off our devices and Wi Fi at night and
have just like an old clock that tells us the

(03:15:50):
one that you have to change during daylight things time, uh,
and just tells us what time it is, you know,
just sleep with it off. Sleep and just just start
with turning your wife file off. Because there is a connection.
I don't believe that it's completely causal, but there is
a connection with Wi Fi and with excitatory excited toxic

(03:16:13):
processes in the brain. And you don't want to stimulate that.

Speaker 1 (03:16:16):
I agree. I mean when I was going back trying
to do some research on monstef, slowly I found all
these different conferences that he was speaking at, fact she
was speaking at, and Francis Collins was speaking at, and
they're all talking about electroceuticals, and I thought, well, this
is going to be the next big thing, electroceuticals. So
it's like, okay, well, if you're going to treat people
electrically with things like that, then clearly EMF is going

(03:16:40):
to have a big effect on people.

Speaker 11 (03:16:42):
And as a tacit admission, isn't it. Yeah, yeah, the
MF does have an effect if we can manipulate it
to you know, do you know some type of medical intervention,
then what is it doing every day?

Speaker 1 (03:16:55):
Yes, exactly. And you know, we had Alan Fry who
worked for the Navy doing experiments and he documented the
Fry effect, which you can certain frequencies, you'll hear it
like a clicking type of thing, you know, just like
we had you know, the military discovered microwave cooking. You know,
the radar ranges of a mana in the early days,
you know, then just noticed that the coffee was getting hot. Well,

(03:17:17):
if you see something like that, then yeah, there's a
little bit of smoke there. There's got to be a
fire there somewhere as well. I think I started looking
at that in conjunction with the Havana effect that was
out there because people were saying they were hearing the
clicking stuff. It's like, oh wait, that sounds like the
fry effect. Maybe that is some kind of directed emf
Not sure. And I got another question here just about

(03:17:37):
at a time. This is from Jerry Alatalo. He says,
please ask doctor Hooker how he felt immediately after listening
closely to DARPA associated neuroscientist James Gandaro's harfying public lectures.

Speaker 11 (03:17:51):
Thank you, you know, I am that one stumped me.
I know of those lectures. I just don't know enough
about those lestures. I apologize, you know, I should know
this information. And my defense is that we're playing whackable

(03:18:11):
with everything right now.

Speaker 1 (03:18:11):
That's right, there's so many. I mean, these people have
billion dollar budgets and they're constantly coming up with one
bizarre Frankenstein experiment to the other. It truly is a
scary situation that we find ourselves in this endicular time.
It is an interesting time, and it is a very
dangerous time. But thank you so much for the work
that you do at Children's Health Defense and for the

(03:18:32):
COVID index dot science. Thank you, doctor Herger Hooker, thank you.

Speaker 11 (03:18:36):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (03:18:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 16 (03:19:00):
To me.

Speaker 11 (03:19:02):
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Speaker 5 (03:19:23):
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