April 10, 2025 • 41 mins
Is this the great reset in disguise? A deliberate demolition of stability?Tony Arterburn, DavidKnight.gold looks at how gold has been a relative island of stability amidst the chaos created by Trump
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Tony Ardeman of Wiswolf Gold. Tony has set up David
Night Died Gold to take you there and there you
can get well. I guess to Tony and I were
talking about it. I guess gold is the asset that
weathered this better than anything else. It started going down,
even gold was starting to go down for Trump took
off the TIFFs, but far less than anything else. It's
been a crazy week, hasn't it, Tony?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Absolutely it has.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And I was looking at the charts and metrics this
morning while you were leading up to our interview, and
I looked at went back to twenty twenty, David, and
look back in March twenty twenty, you had that big,
you know, market correction. It was the highest market since
the twenty nine crash and then lowest since the twenty
nine crash.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And then gold and silver went with that market.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So when it dipped, I remember this vividly because you know,
I was getting orders, people trying to place orders when
everything fell, and supply was not pretty much non existent
because nobody was going to fill those orders.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It crashed so hard.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And I look back that price and you're talking around
fifteen hundred dollars an ounce, it dipped into like I believe,
the thirteen hundred dollars range temporarily and then came back up.
But if you look at the timeline here, so that's
March of twenty twenty and then so we after that
you have the scandemic, the lockdowns, you have this eighty
percent of all the dollars ever created in that timeframe.
(01:32):
You and I know both know what was going on
before that, which was massive liquidity creation in the last
quarter of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
In the REPO market, and the repol market had to
look that up as like, what in the world is that?
Are they taking people's cars? I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Remember that's a first interview you and I ever had
back in the last quarter twenty nineteen. And so you
have that massive occurrency creation. Gold stays about fifteen sixteen
hundred dollars an ounce. But when we a certain threshold,
and it was twenty twenty two, and that's when we
put the sanctions on Russia after the invasion of Ukraine
(02:08):
and the ruble fell, then it rebounded. The Russian foreign
minister said, dollars are candy rappers. The world started to dedollarize.
It was about I mean, it was rapid. It was
like a ten percent reduction within about a twelve month
space about a year. And I've started watching the metrics
on gold and any market correction, it's stabilized. It didn't
(02:29):
go with the market anymore. So this is something that
is new. So I think it's just an anomaly. Just
I noticed something any other time that the markets has fell.
What will happen is you might have a little correction
in gold now, but not the big sell offs that
you used to see. And the reason is is because
people are running towards physical gold and not just people, institutions, governments, multinationals.
(02:53):
They're running towards that because of the uncertainty everywhere, and
gold is showing itself to be the reserve currency of
the world once again. It's just it's just not official
yet again. It's over thirty one hundred dollars an ounce
and through this, you know, tariff chaos, it held up.
It's the really the only thing that did was gold
(03:14):
that's held up.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, I would just disagree with that Russian comment that
the dollar is just candy wrappers. I think it's it's
not candy that's on the inside. I think it's feces.
I think it's about to hit the fan with a
lot of help from Trump creating all this chaos. That's
the key thing. As I said earlier, Tony, you know,
(03:37):
this isn't even about terrorists versus free trade or anything else.
This is about the chaos. The chaos in and of
itself is a thing. You can have any kind of
policy that you want, you can have any kind of
tax system that you want, but it needs to be
done in an orderly way rather than just trying to
break everything. And of course what we've seen is that
(03:57):
there's no patience from Biden, no patience from Trump. They
want to break everything and build it back better. And
it is a deliberate tactic, a deliberate strategy. We see
that when the World Economic Forum talks about it, We
see it when Silicon Valley say's got to move fast
and break things. They are trying their hardest to break us.
And the worst aspect of this is this flip flopping chaos,
(04:19):
which now we're being told was the plan.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
It was the art of the deal, right. This is
a technocratic cloud and pivot. Technocratic cloud and pivot is
what you're watching. In my opinion, there's no there's no
other explanation. We're not just I was saying off air
to you, We're not a serious nation. This isn't serious
economic policy. Now, you know you have the maggotards with
(04:44):
the art of the deal, art of the deal. It's
not the art. This is not We don't look serious.
We're not holding to anything. And then I talked about
last week, there's you got this supposed stick and no carrot.
The carrot would be, oh, here's the incentives, no tax,
you know, no corporate income tax, whatever it would be
to make the economic conditions, you know, domestically attractive for
(05:08):
you to move here and build here. And you know
markets love certainty. We're not giving them any certain There's
no certainty. That's why I think it's a phenomenon here
that is interesting. And another point about gold, David, that
it's weather this storm, but it also did something that
it's never done against fiat currency. And you know this
(05:29):
better than anybody. Look at what Jerome Powell raising interest
rates faster than any rate in history that was supposed
to curb inflation. Right, that's what you're going to get,
this transitory inflation. As he and Janet Yella called it.
But the problem is is that when that happens when
you interest rates are when they raise them, gold usually
(05:50):
falls because it's supposedly strengthened.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That that didn't happen either.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So there's two metrics now that we're watching against gold
that it's breaking its pasterns of the past. And the
past is usually when markets fall, gold goes with it
because of paper contracts and other things. It didn't happen
this time, and it didn't It didn't fall when the FED.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Raises interest rates.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So there's the key here is the monetary system is
resetting itself.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You're talking about a great reset.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
This is just resetting itself, you know, uh, beyond what
I thought it would do, and I think in a
much faster timeline.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Well, you know, when at the beginning of this chaos
has went on for several days, gold was hanging high,
you know, it was up nearest record highs and it
was hanging in there, and it only started to move
down the last couple of days, and a lot of
people were saying it got caught in a liquidity trap.
You know a lot of people out there who are
big investors and they have issues because the stocks are
(06:50):
going down. They got to cover the calls and things
like that, and so they had to cash in stuff,
you know, just like you were talking about, even as
the central banks are buying gold, a lot of individuals
have to cash in gold because they need the money
because economically the economy is not doing well. They're not
doing well and things in their life, so they want
to sell it.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
There might be some profit taking that's going on there,
but it's in a lot of cases it's a liquidity crash.
You've got to get rid of it because you can't.
You just got to have the money, you know. And
so I think that was a big part of why
it started trending down towards the end. There's just that
sinking market was pulling everything down. Everybody's like, well, i'll
sell this, I'll sell that, just to get the money
to try to you know, not go bankrupt.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, and another thing that I think was happening too.
And still gold held a lot of mean most of
its strength through this. But an interesting thing to watch
is I think there was a lot of big institutional
liquidation of their gold holdings to buy the dip of
everything else. When the Rothschild said, you get when there's
(07:56):
blood in the streets. So I think a lot of that,
even just some of that. But it's still even with that,
even with the profit taking the liquidation to buy stocks
when they're low in the dip, it still didn't bring
the price down. It didn't follow the market, it didn't
do what it has done for the past fifty years. Yeah,
So I think that's the key takeaway here, that we
(08:17):
are entering into a new economic world order. This is
something completely different than you know, this isn't Jim Kramer's world.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It never was, but.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It's not you know, Fang style. All the stock market
and everything else built around that. In the Fiat system
that is being reset.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And of course, as I've said before, you know, I
don't like volatile. It's one of the things I don't
like about bitcoin is how volatile it is. And you know,
gold was not only you know, hanging in there tough,
but it was also the least movement in all of
them in terms of volatility. But now it's coming back
as well as gold, silver stocks, bitcoin are all rallying
(08:56):
now as Trump has reversed himself. If you yet again
on these disastrous policies, how many times do you think
he can do this and get away with it? You know,
how many times can he cry wolf over tariff policies?
He did that at the very beginning, and they said, oh, oh,
never mind, and then you put it on a delay
and everything. How many times you think he can do
that and get away with it.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I definitely think if you're China, you just don't take
him seriously at this point, and he's not proving himself
to be serious. And the delays on the other two,
I'd be surprised if they even try to implement them
at all the other tariffs, so I don't think any
of that matters. I think you got to look at
some other metrics that don't get brought up. Mortgage backed securities,
(09:42):
you remember those, That's what brought down the entire market,
the entire financial system in eight mortgage backed securities. One
point two trillion dollars of mortgage backed securities are held
by foreign nations.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The largest foreign nation.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Holder of those mortgage securities in the United States China.
You talk about leverage, that's leverage over the very heartbeat
of what this the entire US financial system, you know,
the so called American dream that's the home, the home ownership,
the mortgage system, it's built on that because that's currency creation,
(10:19):
that's debt. We went away from a manufacturing economy and
all the stuff that we left and we abandoned back
in the mid twentieth century really accelerating under things like
NAFTA and such. But that went to an economy based
off of debt, based off of currency creation, and that
was fueled by the housing market.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's why it led to the eight crash.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
And you know, was it Hank Paulson, the Treasury Secretary,
begging Nancy Pelosi to give him the seven hundred and
fifty billion or whatever it was to bail out the banks.
That seems like a really quaint time now, like that
isn't like that was a big deal to get that.
You know, remember that times when it was hard you
had to fight to get Yeah. Now they just right it,
They just you know, it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, seven hundred and fifty We don't care. I mean,
they threw through that kind of stuff in there in
twenty nineteen with the repo market and nobody even talked
about it. I don't even care. Six trillion, yeah, six
trillion of.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
That last quarter of twenty nineteen is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, so not seven hundred and fifty billion, but six trillion,
six thousand billion, if you will. So, yeah, it's crazy
that this is all just seems to be accelerating very,
very rapidly, and that's what it's designed to do. So
it is interesting to see that again, gold prices of
(11:36):
surge now three percent after Trump temporarily suspended the TERRAFF implementation.
I don't know what it's done today, but again, you
know that is that's a big move for gold to
make that. Of course, gold has been doing a lot
of you know, it's been going up faster than it
typically does changes that typically does. But it's not even
for me. It's not even about the price of gold
(11:58):
and Fiat dollars. For me, it's about getting out of
this crazy system that is going to be manipulated by
the Fed or manipulated by a president. That's the other
thing I said earlier in the show, Tony. Everybody hates
the fact, and rightfully so, that the Federal Reserve chair
can just manipulate the economy with interest rates or whatever
he's done. So why is it a good thing for
the MAGA people? When and they hate the Federal Reserve, right,
(12:20):
they want the Federal Reserve, they want it audited, they
want it taken out or whatever. But then they'll cheer
Trump when he manipulates the tariff rates to manipulate the
economy and does it single handedly. I mean, how is
that a good thing? Yeah, it's a part of the steal,
is what it really is. It's not a deal, it's
a steal. He's stealing this. He's lifting our wallets while
(12:44):
he's patting us on the back and telling us he's
our friend. And of course betraying the farmers, you know,
the people who were his big supporters. You know, he
betrays his bass over and over again. He betrayed the
farmers with the tariffs, and ready to do it again,
just like he betrayed his supporter January the sixth, and
stop the steal and save America stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I read the Art of the Deal is years ago.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I was on a plane and I between two airports
and I was going and to forget where I was traveling,
I think I was doing a show. And I read
the Art of the Deal, and there's a story in there.
I just thought of it. He he learned early on
he was dealing with the apartment buildings and you know,
sketchy tenants and landlords other things, and he postured himself
(13:31):
as being like a tough guy, you know, or being
kind of crazy or something.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Like just to you know, throw throw the person off guard,
you know. But it was all bluster. It's all bluff.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Like he learned that that was a major theme and
how you act, you know, how you present yourself, and
you got to put out this persona and it's kind
of a bluff. This is what's what we're seeing with
all the tariffs and the economic There's no I don't
see any strategy here other than first of all, if
you if you I think, if you zoom out, it
is this is for something else.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And that's what I've been thinking this whole time.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Like it's not about the jobs creations, it's not even
about the tariffs. It's not even about the revenue that
you would bring in from the tariffs at this point.
The lowering of rates, like getting those rates back because
Zerome power raised them. And then we've stabilized, somewhat stabilized
the dollar. Talking about a strong dollar. I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean, that's all temporates all FIAC currency stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
But that is true. There's a metric there that shows
dollar strength. Trump needs a week dollar to fuel that,
you know, casino stock market, and it fuels the leverages
cheaper goods and other things temporarily until you know, you
have the backlash, which is inflation and other things and
loss of purchasing power. But there's a boon, there's a
(14:43):
there's a temporary boom. So if you line up the timeline,
it would seem that if he can keep doing this,
it will force the Federal Reserve, because of economic conditions,
to lower rates and to start lowering rates faster than
they would have otherwise, and you know, big picture even
zooming out further.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And that's a lot of these people have been saying, Oh,
he's a genius. His real plan is to put the
economy into a recession, so the lower the rates.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Oh that's great, right, It's like the commander in Vietnam.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
We had to destroy the village in order to save it.
That's the kind of logic there.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
But there's something.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
But I think there's a much deeper, you know, a
strategy on that part. If you're going to get the
rates lowered, which is really bad in long term because
that's currency creation. And then again it continues to fuel
that fake, the infrastructure of fake and all that. It
creates bubbles and it crashes. We can't survive another crash, David.
(15:44):
We're at one hundred and twenty five percent debt to GDP.
When you hit one hundred and thirty, no nation's ever,
no modern economy, the currency system, the financial system itself
doesn't survive, and we're going to be surpassing that even
one hundred and already very soon.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So that's where you talk about the implementation of the
central bank, digital currency or whatever you want to call
it now, whatever that is, the centralized system, the the
reorganizing of the dollar digitally, that's where that's how you
would bring it in. It's gotta there's got to be
a pretext for them to reset the financial system. So this,
(16:23):
to me, this is all part of the great reset.
It's just a different side of the coin.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I agreat YEA. Thomas Massey was saying, you know, he's voting
against this bill, but Trump and Johnson wanted to put through,
and he says, no, we're going to wind up doubling
the debt. A decade basically, and uh, you know, it's
it's kind of game over. But you know, going back
to what you were saying about the art of the deal,
I think it's kind of interesting that that guy who
(16:49):
was the ghostwriter for it has gone on one program
after the other talking about how much he regrets that.
And I think he said, if I had, if I
had it to do over again, I'd love to rename
the tie the book the sociopath. I think that's what
he called, not psychopath, I think sociopath. And and you
know you're talking, you're talking about the bluffing and the
(17:11):
other things that were going on there. Remember when Trump
called up that radio station and he pretended that he
was somebody else in order to praise himself. That's basically
I thought about that, and I thought, yeah, that's basically
what Peter Navarro did with his economist ron Vera. You
know that he created with an anagram of his his name.
(17:33):
You know, he created this to to praise himself. And
it's like, I imagine when Trump saw that, It's like, yeah,
that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
We think alike, Trump had a guy, he had a
persona called John Baron, and he uh, that's funny because
he named his son Ben John. It was John Baron
and he would call in and he would call magazines
as his publicists and say, you know, this is who
he's dating.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
He's really having a great time.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It's interesting, and they have reported they have recordings of it.
It's his voice and the lady was, you know, a
different reporters like they was calling to to dish out
on himself to make him seem some more important.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That's really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's where that's where we're that's who's running this uh
this country.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, hey, they always knew who he was and uh,
you know when Wilbur Ross went there for the Ross
Child Bankers, he said, uh, you know, I had this
entourage of people that were all around him. Goes, I
think we can use this guy. You know, let's not
foreclothes on him. I think we can use him. And
I think he is being used by a lot of
these people to get exactly what they want. On Rumble,
Soylent Goy says, you put your tar of foot in,
(18:39):
you put your terra foot, you put it in and
you shake it all about. You do the trumpy dumpy,
and you turn yourself around that's what it's all about.
It is a song and dance, isn't it. You know
he is an entertainer. Are you not entertained? As they
would say, it's absolutely crazy that the way this whole
thing is set up. But yeah, it's there's gonna be
(19:02):
a lot more of this. It's going to be on
the way. But I mean, I thought about you last
week as gold was popping up, and I thought, I
bet you were really busy trying to work with this stuff.
Especially after it dipped. I thought, well, it's on sale.
I said that to everybody, is get at it now?
Is on sale? Uh, just like it was on.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
The Trumble stuff when we hit that dip that we
the phones were ringing. We've been busy and I'm thankful
for it. You know, there's a lot of people that
do need to sell right now because times are tough
and because of the there's always fallout from market uncertainty
and uh, you know the drying up of liquidity and
other thing that really hurts people. It affects people on
(19:47):
a on a basic human level. So I understand that, Yeah,
we've been doing okay, it's been busy, just trying.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
To stay I think The main thing for me is staying.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Ahead of the of the price restructuring is what is
really tough right now, like just making sure that I
can always cover the spread and staying as lean as
I can, because you know, you get wiped out housing
too much of that's to inventory, you know, because of
these markets. And that's not just my bit, that's every business.
But it's it's really uncertain right now, and the markets
(20:18):
are showing you that, they're showing you the inside the uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I wouldn't say. Two is bitcoin. Bitcoin held up nicer
than I thought.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I mean, even with it, you know, it's eighty one
thousand today and I dipped into the mid seventies and
then up into the seventies. I thought, you know, with
everything that's gone on with the with the amount of correction,
it didn't do what gold did. It's not gold, not
at all, but it didn't it didn't do some of
the same type of corrections like you saw in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
How did it do compared to stuff like ethereum and
things like that, other cryptos even though the big.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Did better, Yeah, it did better, yeah, the ethereum. And
there's there's nothing that's really held up like Bigcoin. I
mean big They're all down and they all crypt the
entire crypto market. But Bigcoin, at least last time I checked,
is held better. It's metrics are a bit better than
the other cryptoes.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Well, we got some comments here on Rumble on KWD
sixty eight, Thomas Soul and David Stockman I have both
a pined on tarras in the last week. I take
what they say over Trump and his billionaire resign He said, yeah,
And Thomas Soul was talking about how it's the it's
the chaos stupid, you know, to paraphrase Clinton's guy there,
(21:34):
but it really is the chaos, it's the uncertainty. Angry
Tiger says a week dollar causes the Cantalon effect, good
for I don't know, I guess that's right. Have you
heard of that, Tony, the Cantalon effect. He defines it
as good for the people on the top, bad for
the people in the middle and on the bottom. And certainly,
you know, when we look at this that signal all
(21:55):
upper case. Now is a good time to buy the stocks.
I mean, you know, if you're gonna have dictatorial powers
where you can move markets with the words that you've
got out there. That is a real trap for Trump,
whether he is intentionally doing insider trading or whether he's
just shooting from the hip as he always likes to do,
because it certainly does look like insider trading, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
There's so much entangling.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I mean, you go back to the just the mean
coins that he blessed up right, That's what I thought.
That was very dangerous, especially you know, giving your influence
as a public figure and an elected official, and just
does anybody that knows anything about those kind of coins,
you never put your name on that.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
It's a pump and dump. People are gonna get burned
by it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
People gonna try that, They're gonna flood in at the
top of the market. That's gonna get sold off, and
then you're gonna be left holding the bag thinking there's
a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And it was up to like seventy seventy something dollars
is now down to nine dollars last the end of
the last week.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, that's nothing.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
If you ever hear me sill a meme coin, it's uh,
you know, invasion of the body snatchers. And I'm not
the same person you can it's it's a clone of
some kind.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
So we're not gonna have a Tony coin that's out there.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
No, you see Tony coin, it's it's don't buy it.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It's not me.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well, I've been saying this last week. You know when
we look at doge and iverythingk that that that's basically
a red herring that's out there. It's calling it wag
the doge because it really, hey, look at this over here.
Don't pay attention to what I'm doing over here in
this area. And uh and I think, uh, well, of course,
on other things, let's talk about what's going to happen
to to gold if we have a war with Iran,
(23:39):
because that may break out this weekend. That'd be the
next thing, the all the juggling plates that he's got going,
you know, the next spectacle from Trump. It's probably going
to be war with Iran this weekend.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
What do you think that's a great question you're going
to have.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I think price of energy is going to skyrocket.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Uh, price of crude, uncertainty, oil supply, all that straight
at horror moves that that that all is affected by conflict.
Price of gold I believe continues to rise at that point.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Sorry, it's okay. Price price of gold continues to rise.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I believe in that.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
In that scenario, David, I think that more of the
markets will liquidate and go into gold because of uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Iran touches a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
You know, the periphery of Iran is Russia and China
and the control of that of the oil there, and
then there's so many underlying issues that affect that. That
strike on Iran and it could turn into something much
much wider, which is what I've been talking about. We
might turn our attention away from Ukraine temporarily or take
(24:45):
the emphasis off that. But uh, that's maybe why Trump's here,
because the right will accept what the so called right
will accept that war, whether it's.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Like Goldilocks war is what I called it. I mean,
the right didn't like Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
The left doesn't like war with Iran, but the right,
the ride certainly gets behind that because of Israel. And
you know, just doing Israel's the APAC lobby's bidding. They're
in the Middle East, and so it makes no sense
for us to do anything in that region.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
But that's probably why we will That's right.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, we look at the defense budget, they're boasting at
the same time they're enacting austerity programs for everybody and
pushing the panic buttons. They're saying, well, we just did
a trillion dollar defense budget.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
It wasn't that long ago that he said, Hey, I'm
going to talk to Russia in China, see if they'll
cut their defense budgets and half so will we, and
then he increases it by twelve percent. I mean, all
this stuff is just nonsense, and no matter what he does,
they cheer it. Oh look he's going to cut the
defense budget by fifty percent. That's good. Oh now he's
going to increase it by twelve that's good. We need
to be strong. It's like, you know, okay, it's just
(25:52):
whatever Trump does, they focus on it. But yeah, that's
the key thing I think is that you know, it's
going to have some effect, uh financially, but when I
like I said, I don't really. It's it's good to
see things moving in this direction. It's good to see
gold going up, but it's not really for me. It's
(26:13):
not about the price of golden dollars. It's really about
getting something that's outside of their system. It's really about prepping.
You know, when you start talking about a war with
Iran and knock on consequences of that. Even if that
war doesn't come to our shore, it's going to have
tremendous economic consequences for us and globally it's gonna you
could put the world into a depression or you know,
(26:36):
recession or even a depression because you know the disruption
in that area. But it could have much bigger consequences.
And of course when we look at the size of
Iran versus the size of Iraq, uh there's a reason
that they've talked a long time about at attacking Iran
but haven't done it. But now he's massing all of
these stealth bombers and Diego was it Diego Garcia that island.
(27:01):
I think that they've got quite unsinkable aircraft carrier because
it's just basically a big landing strip, you know. But
they've they've amassed all their strategic bombers. I mean, I
wouldn't be surprised to see them kick this nonsense off
over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well it wouldn't either.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It's be an absolute tragedy that we haven't downgraded and
abandoned that failed policy in the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
No, we like to double and triple down. It's just
what we do.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You get different, you know, lip service from either puppet
that runs. But we always find our way back into
the Middle East and in broiling those conflicts that are
absolutely unwinnable. They have nothing to do with national security.
We could buy oil from anybody whoever runs that, whether
it's Saddam Hussein's slant drilling into Kuwait or the Kuwaitis
(27:48):
slant drilling into Iraq. Buy oil from whoever runs it.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I don't care. I never thought.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And by the way, the whole map was drawn up
by Winston Churchill, you know, drinking Scotch after the First
World War. You know, it's not even real they you know,
it's the maps are all the artificial, artificial constructs, especially
things like Kuwait.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Kind of paraphrase what he said to that moment she said, uh,
you sir, are drunk. He says, yes, But in the
morning I'll be sober and you'll still be ugl You know,
in the morning, I will be sober, but we'll still
have all these different countries and the maps that I've drawn.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
That's that he just literally just draw it, drew it up,
you know, after the First World war. And I remember
being an Afghanistan and they said, Art Burn, We're gonna
put you on a special detail and you go out
to the tarmac. And I said, okay, we gotta we
got a high profile. We're gonna you're gonna fly around
with and we're gonna go to a different point like
special operations bases in Afghanistan. Anyway, it was Tommy Frank.
(28:43):
I turned around. It was Tommy Franks, you know, four
star general. Yeah, and we've had I never I never
felt like, uh safer when I was like, I'm not
gonna this plane isn't going to crash, you know, like
so I just I just relaxed, you know. And he
was joking around with everybody, and I look out the
on the wings at you know F sixteen on each
you know, just escorting this plane. We would land at
these remote bases and you know, just like real really
(29:07):
near Iran, you know, like we would go in and
it was all I mean just it was so close
and anyway some of the border issues. And I remember
looking at the meme and it that Iran once war
with us, look how close they put their country to
our military basis.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
And that's true.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I mean we just but you know, this has been this.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Has been in the works for a very very long time.
It seems like if you even watched the movie that
Oliver Stone did on George W. Bush with Dick Cheney's character,
you know, he goes and he looks at the map
and it's everything they're talking about, the seven countries in
five years and all that, the neocon fever dream. It
always ends with Iran. Yeah, so that that is there.
(29:49):
You know, in Iran is not in the in the
region like whatever they call it, the leading state sponsor
of terror or whatever that means like that. So it's
just ridiculous, like it had hasn't invaded anybody, doesn't. I mean,
it's sure, it's it's got an aggressive you know, there
is terrorism all that stuff, but it's this, I mean,
look at what we do over there, I mean just
up ending civilizations and toppling governments.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
How did how did Ran become an Islamic radical government?
You know eight that you know, I mean it was
that and you look at you remember Netta who going
to the UN with his Acme Wiley coyote bomb thing
in the.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Back or just had the little thing.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
It was like, yeah, I think, I think Netanya, who
needs to to relearn what the word imminent means.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I mean, I guess on a long enough timeline, he's
telling me in ninety three that you know it's imminent
that Iran gets the bomb.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Well, it's a you know, it's an eighty year old
technology at this point. I mean, it's an old how
do you know stopped nuclear proliferation at this point? It's
an old technology? And I guess, you know, yeah, it's
it's it's inevitable. But what does that mean for us?
Nobody ever really asks that, like, so if Ron gets
the bomb?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So what.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
The lesson learned about all of this? And I guess
I'm deviating into foreign policy. The lesson learned that we
teach nations is that no nation that's ever possessed nuclear
weapons has ever been invaded.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
So when when you don't have a new that's the race.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Instead of instead of setting the conditions for peace, we
topple governments and nations that don't possess nuclear weapons. So
the race is always to produce another horrible weapon to
ensure you know, mutually assured destruction.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Well, everything the US government does is about perverse incentives.
Isn't it. Pretty much. It's whether you're talking about domestic
policy or economic policy, or you're talking about geeplit politics,
it's all perverse incentives. You're right, we incentivize people to
do that. And when you look at the ridiculous claims
that Natahu has been making over decades, it's kind of
like the climate change predictions, right, role is going to end,
(32:01):
you know, because of climate change. He's he's kind of
like the is to Iran like al Gore is to
climate change.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well, the major networks and because of the military industrial
complex and you know, APAC and all of that, nobody
ever asked the question why is it a mortal threat?
Why is it an existential crisis? That if Iran has
any kind of weapon, what does that matter to us?
What what does that have to do with American security?
It doesn't. So then you have to ask, so who
(32:33):
does it threaten? What threatens Israel? And that's where we're
back to that and this just the insane times in
which we live. And you know, there's really you know,
you and I are talking before the elections, like what's
the best outcome here? You know, a Harris Win, you
get X, you get you know, I think more draconian
(32:53):
moves against crypto and other things, and I think old
would have been probably higher than today.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Had a Harris win, we have a different market, but.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
We'd be seeing probably you know, a lead into a
conflict with Russia. It's exactly what you've been saying. Yeah,
and then this is the reverse ticket. But but we
might get war with everybody because we're you know, we're
hitting Does the dominoes fall very quickly? If you know
anything about diplomacy and history, read The Guns of August
(33:21):
by Barbara Tuckman about the lead up to World War One,
and they they literally couldn't stop the war. It's one
of the things that Kennedy was reading during the Cuban
missile crisis. He was reading Barbara Tuckman, and you know,
he decided to try to stop the stop the dominoes,
and nobody really and that's you know, he did that
back channel communicate with with Cruise Schieff to replace the
(33:42):
missiles in Turkey with the missiles in Cuba. And we
just don't have that type of that type of mindset now.
So that's that terrifying. Who in the White House is
going to stop the war?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
I don't know if they know what they're doing, if
at this point, like if they're going to be just
pushing all these buttons, and especially with the this should
be an alarm bell in the night. This tariff policy
is so called Liberation Day. I mean, how do you
announce something that's supposed to be remembered as one of
the greatest days in American history and then delay it?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's just absolute nonsense. You know, you
talk about kicking off a war, starting it, and then
you know, now we can't stop it, we can't get
it back. And of course we've seen that economically with inflation.
How many times, as you know, the government is the
causes of the inflation and printing money and everything. How
many times have they done that? And then they can't
pull that thing back in, you know, they push Humpty
Dumpty off the wall and then all the king's men
(34:33):
can't figure out how to put him together again. And so, yeah,
we see this over and over again with the policies
that they do, whether it's inflation or whether it's war,
these other things, they create these problems, they break stuff.
Government is very good at breaking things. It's very poor
at fixing them afterwards. And so this whole thing. Yeah,
when I had done a guy from Mesa's Institute earlier
(34:54):
this week and we talked about one of his books
that he had for children was The Broken Window, talking
about the broken window fallacy. And when I look at
all this cheering about Trump and the tariffs and all
the rest of stuff, to me, that's basically just the
broken window fallacy. We're going to break all this stuff
and it's going to be great because they were going
to build it back, you know, build it back better.
(35:15):
And it's just I don't know, It's people should be
very concerned about. Is what is being pushed. And I
really do think that it is intentional chaos, designed to
break things and bust it. And they pull in one
guy who takes one approach to it, they pull another
guy takes a different approach, but the end game for
both of them is to break everything. I think that's
(35:37):
the bottom line. Well, tell us again, you've been really
busy with the We had gold go temporarily on sale
this last last couple of days, and it's been a
lot of economic activity. Tell us a little bit about
wise Wolf Gold. What's happening there.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Oh, We're just continuing to supply our members at wolf
Pack and all our direct sales and try to get
orders out as fast as I can. That's always top priority.
And you know, the I guess the upside to watching
the current leadership on the economy is that I I
redouble my efforts, rededicate my efforts for discipline and not
(36:16):
being all over the place, you know, actually making good
sound fiscal decisions, cutting out waste, things like that, staying
lean and you know, to to weather market uncertainty, not
getting over leveraged.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
So I'm learning.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I guess that's some at some level like this is
good for me, This is a great lesson. I'm gonna
this is not what not to do. So I'm gonna
not do what the uh so called leaders are doing
right now. And so we're gonna be around, you know,
you know, God willing, I'll be here next year. So
just taking good care of our customers. We've got lots
of great deals over on. Wolf Pack started that Sigma
(36:50):
wolf program at seven fifty. I know everybody can afford
seven to fifty a months, but you can also do
one time purchases all the way across the board some
fifty dollars a month all the way up to five thousand,
and that's just on wolf Pack. I have wise Wolf
Bitcoin in place. We can take your orders on that
if you want to set up a bitcoin wallet or
buy bitcoin, or use bitcoin to buy gold and silver
with the only broker in America that's no fee. I
(37:13):
treat bitcoin as cash. Nobody does that. So we've made
a lot of good moves in the last six months.
And I sometimes I forget how much we've actually done
because it doesn't seem like that. It seems like I'm
on a Hansterer wheel. But we have done a lot.
So I'm really proud of my crew.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
And hey, I don't know how you do it with
all the fluctuations and price that we see and all
that kind of stuff. I mean, you know, I was
just talking earlier about a guy who has a tattooed
needle supply business and how difficult is going to be
for him with the all of a sudden get hit
with a one hundred and four percent of tariff, you know,
this kind and that's it's such a challenging environment for people,
(37:51):
whatever kind of business that they're in because you never
know what's going to happen to the supply chain. You
never know what's going to happen to prices, and constantly
in this state of fluck. I mean, that's what's so damaged,
damaging about all this stuff is the chaos and the
flux that Trump is doing. And that's why I say
it's intentional. A lot of people looked at it and said,
I think he's intentionally trying to put us into a
recession so you can get pressure on the FED to
(38:14):
lower the interest rates, and that's genius. And it's like, no,
it's not as criminal. It's criminal, but the end does
not justify the means. Just because you want to lower
interest rates does not justify you putting people out of
business and harming people individually like this. And so you know,
my hat's off to you. I know you've got a
very difficult thing to do to try all small businesses
(38:35):
do try to stay in business with what is happening,
and of course provides challenges for all of us. That's
why I say, I want to try to get out
of this chaos market. You know, things you can do
to get away from chaos is gold. He's going to
have an effect on gold, but not as much as
most other assets that you could have out there, right,
(38:55):
So that's part of it is to have some stability
this but again it is very important to regardless of
what happens with these crazy and rigged financial markets, it's
important to have gold there to get out of the system,
to maintain your privacy because the privacy is priceless. And
I can tell you as someone who has been canceled
(39:18):
and financially banned, canceled on social media and stuff like that,
you know, to have PayPal and Venmo and others shut
us down and say you can't do business. I know
what that's like, and I know that's coming. That's their
design for everybody. That's why I'm looking at gold. I
don't really care about I do care about the price,
but I don't care about the price compared to that.
You can't put a price tag on that being outside
(39:40):
of their system where they can destroy you.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Well, I was just to add before we close. I
think there is some upside to the price increasing. It
increases the infrastructure of gold production, the ubiquity of coinage
and other things that in the access because it incentivizes
the market to get those out there and it helps
us be outside of the system. It helps the supply
(40:06):
chain for gold because the mining sector, and I think
it's the decline of Fiat currency worldwide and pouring into
the two monetary metals like gold is a good thing.
And I think we'll serve to to create that infrastructure
that's outside of the financial system, you can hold physical metals.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I think that's an upside here too.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
That's right. Well, you got a program that immediately follows ours.
Is that on for today?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
That's on for today.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You can go to my ex at Tony Arterburn or
the America Unplug channel over on Rumble and it's the
order Burn Radio transmission. We'll have an interesting conversation based
on today's headlines.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Good.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
We need to get you on Kick. Yeah, that'd be good,
so you could just kind of hand it off there
at Travis is telling me that you just kind of
hand off one program to the other one if you're
on Kick. Okay, But that's great. Well, thank you so much, Tonny,
thank you for your support of this program. And folks, look,
just keep your options open and understand that the finances
(41:05):
are always important, but it's also important to have some
prepping to be outside of this rigged system, and they
could be rigging it to go down, and that certainly
is a possibility. Thank you so much, Tony, thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
For joining us.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Have a good day and people check out his Artamen
Unplugged right after this show. We'll be right back
Tony Ardeman of Wiswolf Gold. Tony has set up David
Night Died Gold to take you there and there you
can get well. I guess to Tony and I were
talking about it. I guess gold is the asset that
weathered this better than anything else. It started going down,
even gold was starting to go down for Trump took
off the TIFFs, but far less than anything else. It's
been a crazy week, hasn't it, Tony?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Absolutely it has.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And I was looking at the charts and metrics this
morning while you were leading up to our interview, and
I looked at went back to twenty twenty, David, and
look back in March twenty twenty, you had that big,
you know, market correction. It was the highest market since
the twenty nine crash and then lowest since the twenty
nine crash.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And then gold and silver went with that market.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So when it dipped, I remember this vividly because you know,
I was getting orders, people trying to place orders when
everything fell, and supply was not pretty much non existent
because nobody was going to fill those orders.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It crashed so hard.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And I look back that price and you're talking around
fifteen hundred dollars an ounce, it dipped into like I believe,
the thirteen hundred dollars range temporarily and then came back up.
But if you look at the timeline here, so that's
March of twenty twenty and then so we after that
you have the scandemic, the lockdowns, you have this eighty
percent of all the dollars ever created in that timeframe.
(01:32):
You and I know both know what was going on
before that, which was massive liquidity creation in the last
quarter of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
In the REPO market, and the repol market had to
look that up as like, what in the world is that?
Are they taking people's cars? I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Remember that's a first interview you and I ever had
back in the last quarter twenty nineteen. And so you
have that massive occurrency creation. Gold stays about fifteen sixteen
hundred dollars an ounce. But when we a certain threshold,
and it was twenty twenty two, and that's when we
put the sanctions on Russia after the invasion of Ukraine
(02:08):
and the ruble fell, then it rebounded. The Russian foreign
minister said, dollars are candy rappers. The world started to dedollarize.
It was about I mean, it was rapid. It was
like a ten percent reduction within about a twelve month
space about a year. And I've started watching the metrics
on gold and any market correction, it's stabilized. It didn't
(02:29):
go with the market anymore. So this is something that
is new. So I think it's just an anomaly. Just
I noticed something any other time that the markets has fell.
What will happen is you might have a little correction
in gold now, but not the big sell offs that
you used to see. And the reason is is because
people are running towards physical gold and not just people, institutions, governments, multinationals.
(02:53):
They're running towards that because of the uncertainty everywhere, and
gold is showing itself to be the reserve currency of
the world once again. It's just it's just not official
yet again. It's over thirty one hundred dollars an ounce
and through this, you know, tariff chaos, it held up.
It's the really the only thing that did was gold
(03:14):
that's held up.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, I would just disagree with that Russian comment that
the dollar is just candy wrappers. I think it's it's
not candy that's on the inside. I think it's feces.
I think it's about to hit the fan with a
lot of help from Trump creating all this chaos. That's
the key thing. As I said earlier, Tony, you know,
(03:37):
this isn't even about terrorists versus free trade or anything else.
This is about the chaos. The chaos in and of
itself is a thing. You can have any kind of
policy that you want, you can have any kind of
tax system that you want, but it needs to be
done in an orderly way rather than just trying to
break everything. And of course what we've seen is that
(03:57):
there's no patience from Biden, no patience from Trump. They
want to break everything and build it back better. And
it is a deliberate tactic, a deliberate strategy. We see
that when the World Economic Forum talks about it, We
see it when Silicon Valley say's got to move fast
and break things. They are trying their hardest to break us.
And the worst aspect of this is this flip flopping chaos,
(04:19):
which now we're being told was the plan.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
It was the art of the deal, right. This is
a technocratic cloud and pivot. Technocratic cloud and pivot is
what you're watching. In my opinion, there's no there's no
other explanation. We're not just I was saying off air
to you, We're not a serious nation. This isn't serious
economic policy. Now, you know you have the maggotards with
(04:44):
the art of the deal, art of the deal. It's
not the art. This is not We don't look serious.
We're not holding to anything. And then I talked about
last week, there's you got this supposed stick and no carrot.
The carrot would be, oh, here's the incentives, no tax,
you know, no corporate income tax, whatever it would be
to make the economic conditions, you know, domestically attractive for
(05:08):
you to move here and build here. And you know
markets love certainty. We're not giving them any certain There's
no certainty. That's why I think it's a phenomenon here
that is interesting. And another point about gold, David, that
it's weather this storm, but it also did something that
it's never done against fiat currency. And you know this
(05:29):
better than anybody. Look at what Jerome Powell raising interest
rates faster than any rate in history that was supposed
to curb inflation. Right, that's what you're going to get,
this transitory inflation. As he and Janet Yella called it.
But the problem is is that when that happens when
you interest rates are when they raise them, gold usually
(05:50):
falls because it's supposedly strengthened.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That that didn't happen either.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So there's two metrics now that we're watching against gold
that it's breaking its pasterns of the past. And the
past is usually when markets fall, gold goes with it
because of paper contracts and other things. It didn't happen
this time, and it didn't It didn't fall when the FED.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Raises interest rates.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So there's the key here is the monetary system is
resetting itself.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You're talking about a great reset.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
This is just resetting itself, you know, uh, beyond what
I thought it would do, and I think in a
much faster timeline.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Well, you know, when at the beginning of this chaos
has went on for several days, gold was hanging high,
you know, it was up nearest record highs and it
was hanging in there, and it only started to move
down the last couple of days, and a lot of
people were saying it got caught in a liquidity trap.
You know a lot of people out there who are
big investors and they have issues because the stocks are
(06:50):
going down. They got to cover the calls and things
like that, and so they had to cash in stuff,
you know, just like you were talking about, even as
the central banks are buying gold, a lot of individuals
have to cash in gold because they need the money
because economically the economy is not doing well. They're not
doing well and things in their life, so they want
to sell it.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
There might be some profit taking that's going on there,
but it's in a lot of cases it's a liquidity crash.
You've got to get rid of it because you can't.
You just got to have the money, you know. And
so I think that was a big part of why
it started trending down towards the end. There's just that
sinking market was pulling everything down. Everybody's like, well, i'll
sell this, I'll sell that, just to get the money
to try to you know, not go bankrupt.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, and another thing that I think was happening too.
And still gold held a lot of mean most of
its strength through this. But an interesting thing to watch
is I think there was a lot of big institutional
liquidation of their gold holdings to buy the dip of
everything else. When the Rothschild said, you get when there's
(07:56):
blood in the streets. So I think a lot of that,
even just some of that. But it's still even with that,
even with the profit taking the liquidation to buy stocks
when they're low in the dip, it still didn't bring
the price down. It didn't follow the market, it didn't
do what it has done for the past fifty years. Yeah,
So I think that's the key takeaway here, that we
(08:17):
are entering into a new economic world order. This is
something completely different than you know, this isn't Jim Kramer's world.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It never was, but.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It's not you know, Fang style. All the stock market
and everything else built around that. In the Fiat system
that is being reset.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And of course, as I've said before, you know, I
don't like volatile. It's one of the things I don't
like about bitcoin is how volatile it is. And you know,
gold was not only you know, hanging in there tough,
but it was also the least movement in all of
them in terms of volatility. But now it's coming back
as well as gold, silver stocks, bitcoin are all rallying
(08:56):
now as Trump has reversed himself. If you yet again
on these disastrous policies, how many times do you think
he can do this and get away with it? You know,
how many times can he cry wolf over tariff policies?
He did that at the very beginning, and they said, oh, oh,
never mind, and then you put it on a delay
and everything. How many times you think he can do
that and get away with it.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I definitely think if you're China, you just don't take
him seriously at this point, and he's not proving himself
to be serious. And the delays on the other two,
I'd be surprised if they even try to implement them
at all the other tariffs, so I don't think any
of that matters. I think you got to look at
some other metrics that don't get brought up. Mortgage backed securities,
(09:42):
you remember those, That's what brought down the entire market,
the entire financial system in eight mortgage backed securities. One
point two trillion dollars of mortgage backed securities are held
by foreign nations.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The largest foreign nation.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Holder of those mortgage securities in the United States China.
You talk about leverage, that's leverage over the very heartbeat
of what this the entire US financial system, you know,
the so called American dream that's the home, the home ownership,
the mortgage system, it's built on that because that's currency creation,
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that's debt. We went away from a manufacturing economy and
all the stuff that we left and we abandoned back
in the mid twentieth century really accelerating under things like
NAFTA and such. But that went to an economy based
off of debt, based off of currency creation, and that
was fueled by the housing market.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's why it led to the eight crash.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
And you know, was it Hank Paulson, the Treasury Secretary,
begging Nancy Pelosi to give him the seven hundred and
fifty billion or whatever it was to bail out the banks.
That seems like a really quaint time now, like that
isn't like that was a big deal to get that.
You know, remember that times when it was hard you
had to fight to get Yeah. Now they just right it,
They just you know, it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, seven hundred and fifty We don't care. I mean,
they threw through that kind of stuff in there in
twenty nineteen with the repo market and nobody even talked
about it. I don't even care. Six trillion, yeah, six
trillion of.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
That last quarter of twenty nineteen is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, so not seven hundred and fifty billion, but six trillion,
six thousand billion, if you will. So, yeah, it's crazy
that this is all just seems to be accelerating very,
very rapidly, and that's what it's designed to do. So
it is interesting to see that again, gold prices of
(11:36):
surge now three percent after Trump temporarily suspended the TERRAFF implementation.
I don't know what it's done today, but again, you
know that is that's a big move for gold to
make that. Of course, gold has been doing a lot
of you know, it's been going up faster than it
typically does changes that typically does. But it's not even
for me. It's not even about the price of gold
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and Fiat dollars. For me, it's about getting out of
this crazy system that is going to be manipulated by
the Fed or manipulated by a president. That's the other
thing I said earlier in the show, Tony. Everybody hates
the fact, and rightfully so, that the Federal Reserve chair
can just manipulate the economy with interest rates or whatever
he's done. So why is it a good thing for
the MAGA people? When and they hate the Federal Reserve, right,
(12:20):
they want the Federal Reserve, they want it audited, they
want it taken out or whatever. But then they'll cheer
Trump when he manipulates the tariff rates to manipulate the
economy and does it single handedly. I mean, how is
that a good thing? Yeah, it's a part of the steal,
is what it really is. It's not a deal, it's
a steal. He's stealing this. He's lifting our wallets while
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he's patting us on the back and telling us he's
our friend. And of course betraying the farmers, you know,
the people who were his big supporters. You know, he
betrays his bass over and over again. He betrayed the
farmers with the tariffs, and ready to do it again,
just like he betrayed his supporter January the sixth, and
stop the steal and save America stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I read the Art of the Deal is years ago.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I was on a plane and I between two airports
and I was going and to forget where I was traveling,
I think I was doing a show. And I read
the Art of the Deal, and there's a story in there.
I just thought of it. He he learned early on
he was dealing with the apartment buildings and you know,
sketchy tenants and landlords other things, and he postured himself
(13:31):
as being like a tough guy, you know, or being
kind of crazy or something.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Like just to you know, throw throw the person off guard,
you know. But it was all bluster. It's all bluff.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Like he learned that that was a major theme and
how you act, you know, how you present yourself, and
you got to put out this persona and it's kind
of a bluff. This is what's what we're seeing with
all the tariffs and the economic There's no I don't
see any strategy here other than first of all, if
you if you I think, if you zoom out, it
is this is for something else.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And that's what I've been thinking this whole time.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Like it's not about the jobs creations, it's not even
about the tariffs. It's not even about the revenue that
you would bring in from the tariffs at this point.
The lowering of rates, like getting those rates back because
Zerome power raised them. And then we've stabilized, somewhat stabilized
the dollar. Talking about a strong dollar. I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean, that's all temporates all FIAC currency stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
But that is true. There's a metric there that shows
dollar strength. Trump needs a week dollar to fuel that,
you know, casino stock market, and it fuels the leverages
cheaper goods and other things temporarily until you know, you
have the backlash, which is inflation and other things and
loss of purchasing power. But there's a boon, there's a
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there's a temporary boom. So if you line up the timeline,
it would seem that if he can keep doing this,
it will force the Federal Reserve, because of economic conditions,
to lower rates and to start lowering rates faster than
they would have otherwise, and you know, big picture even
zooming out further.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And that's a lot of these people have been saying, Oh,
he's a genius. His real plan is to put the
economy into a recession, so the lower the rates.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Oh that's great, right, It's like the commander in Vietnam.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
We had to destroy the village in order to save it.
That's the kind of logic there.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
But there's something.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
But I think there's a much deeper, you know, a
strategy on that part. If you're going to get the
rates lowered, which is really bad in long term because
that's currency creation. And then again it continues to fuel
that fake, the infrastructure of fake and all that. It
creates bubbles and it crashes. We can't survive another crash, David.
(15:44):
We're at one hundred and twenty five percent debt to GDP.
When you hit one hundred and thirty, no nation's ever,
no modern economy, the currency system, the financial system itself
doesn't survive, and we're going to be surpassing that even
one hundred and already very soon.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So that's where you talk about the implementation of the
central bank, digital currency or whatever you want to call
it now, whatever that is, the centralized system, the the
reorganizing of the dollar digitally, that's where that's how you
would bring it in. It's gotta there's got to be
a pretext for them to reset the financial system. So this,
(16:23):
to me, this is all part of the great reset.
It's just a different side of the coin.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I agreat YEA. Thomas Massey was saying, you know, he's voting
against this bill, but Trump and Johnson wanted to put through,
and he says, no, we're going to wind up doubling
the debt. A decade basically, and uh, you know, it's
it's kind of game over. But you know, going back
to what you were saying about the art of the deal,
I think it's kind of interesting that that guy who
(16:49):
was the ghostwriter for it has gone on one program
after the other talking about how much he regrets that.
And I think he said, if I had, if I
had it to do over again, I'd love to rename
the tie the book the sociopath. I think that's what
he called, not psychopath, I think sociopath. And and you
know you're talking, you're talking about the bluffing and the
(17:11):
other things that were going on there. Remember when Trump
called up that radio station and he pretended that he
was somebody else in order to praise himself. That's basically
I thought about that, and I thought, yeah, that's basically
what Peter Navarro did with his economist ron Vera. You
know that he created with an anagram of his his name.
(17:33):
You know, he created this to to praise himself. And
it's like, I imagine when Trump saw that, It's like, yeah,
that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
We think alike, Trump had a guy, he had a
persona called John Baron, and he uh, that's funny because
he named his son Ben John. It was John Baron
and he would call in and he would call magazines
as his publicists and say, you know, this is who
he's dating.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
He's really having a great time.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It's interesting, and they have reported they have recordings of it.
It's his voice and the lady was, you know, a
different reporters like they was calling to to dish out
on himself to make him seem some more important.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That's really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's where that's where we're that's who's running this uh
this country.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, hey, they always knew who he was and uh,
you know when Wilbur Ross went there for the Ross
Child Bankers, he said, uh, you know, I had this
entourage of people that were all around him. Goes, I
think we can use this guy. You know, let's not
foreclothes on him. I think we can use him. And
I think he is being used by a lot of
these people to get exactly what they want. On Rumble,
Soylent Goy says, you put your tar of foot in,
(18:39):
you put your terra foot, you put it in and
you shake it all about. You do the trumpy dumpy,
and you turn yourself around that's what it's all about.
It is a song and dance, isn't it. You know
he is an entertainer. Are you not entertained? As they
would say, it's absolutely crazy that the way this whole
thing is set up. But yeah, it's there's gonna be
(19:02):
a lot more of this. It's going to be on
the way. But I mean, I thought about you last
week as gold was popping up, and I thought, I
bet you were really busy trying to work with this stuff.
Especially after it dipped. I thought, well, it's on sale.
I said that to everybody, is get at it now?
Is on sale? Uh, just like it was on.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
The Trumble stuff when we hit that dip that we
the phones were ringing. We've been busy and I'm thankful
for it. You know, there's a lot of people that
do need to sell right now because times are tough
and because of the there's always fallout from market uncertainty
and uh, you know the drying up of liquidity and
other thing that really hurts people. It affects people on
(19:47):
a on a basic human level. So I understand that, Yeah,
we've been doing okay, it's been busy, just trying.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
To stay I think The main thing for me is staying.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Ahead of the of the price restructuring is what is
really tough right now, like just making sure that I
can always cover the spread and staying as lean as
I can, because you know, you get wiped out housing
too much of that's to inventory, you know, because of
these markets. And that's not just my bit, that's every business.
But it's it's really uncertain right now, and the markets
(20:18):
are showing you that, they're showing you the inside the uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I wouldn't say. Two is bitcoin. Bitcoin held up nicer
than I thought.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I mean, even with it, you know, it's eighty one
thousand today and I dipped into the mid seventies and
then up into the seventies. I thought, you know, with
everything that's gone on with the with the amount of correction,
it didn't do what gold did. It's not gold, not
at all, but it didn't it didn't do some of
the same type of corrections like you saw in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
How did it do compared to stuff like ethereum and
things like that, other cryptos even though the big.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Did better, Yeah, it did better, yeah, the ethereum. And
there's there's nothing that's really held up like Bigcoin. I
mean big They're all down and they all crypt the
entire crypto market. But Bigcoin, at least last time I checked,
is held better. It's metrics are a bit better than
the other cryptoes.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Well, we got some comments here on Rumble on KWD
sixty eight, Thomas Soul and David Stockman I have both
a pined on tarras in the last week. I take
what they say over Trump and his billionaire resign He said, yeah,
And Thomas Soul was talking about how it's the it's
the chaos stupid, you know, to paraphrase Clinton's guy there,
(21:34):
but it really is the chaos, it's the uncertainty. Angry
Tiger says a week dollar causes the Cantalon effect, good
for I don't know, I guess that's right. Have you
heard of that, Tony, the Cantalon effect. He defines it
as good for the people on the top, bad for
the people in the middle and on the bottom. And certainly,
you know, when we look at this that signal all
(21:55):
upper case. Now is a good time to buy the stocks.
I mean, you know, if you're gonna have dictatorial powers
where you can move markets with the words that you've
got out there. That is a real trap for Trump,
whether he is intentionally doing insider trading or whether he's
just shooting from the hip as he always likes to do,
because it certainly does look like insider trading, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
There's so much entangling.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I mean, you go back to the just the mean
coins that he blessed up right, That's what I thought.
That was very dangerous, especially you know, giving your influence
as a public figure and an elected official, and just
does anybody that knows anything about those kind of coins,
you never put your name on that.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
It's a pump and dump. People are gonna get burned
by it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
People gonna try that, They're gonna flood in at the
top of the market. That's gonna get sold off, and
then you're gonna be left holding the bag thinking there's
a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And it was up to like seventy seventy something dollars
is now down to nine dollars last the end of
the last week.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, that's nothing.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
If you ever hear me sill a meme coin, it's uh,
you know, invasion of the body snatchers. And I'm not
the same person you can it's it's a clone of
some kind.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
So we're not gonna have a Tony coin that's out there.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
No, you see Tony coin, it's it's don't buy it.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It's not me.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well, I've been saying this last week. You know when
we look at doge and iverythingk that that that's basically
a red herring that's out there. It's calling it wag
the doge because it really, hey, look at this over here.
Don't pay attention to what I'm doing over here in
this area. And uh and I think, uh, well, of course,
on other things, let's talk about what's going to happen
to to gold if we have a war with Iran,
(23:39):
because that may break out this weekend. That'd be the
next thing, the all the juggling plates that he's got going,
you know, the next spectacle from Trump. It's probably going
to be war with Iran this weekend.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
What do you think that's a great question you're going
to have.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I think price of energy is going to skyrocket.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Uh, price of crude, uncertainty, oil supply, all that straight
at horror moves that that that all is affected by conflict.
Price of gold I believe continues to rise at that point.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Sorry, it's okay. Price price of gold continues to rise.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I believe in that.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
In that scenario, David, I think that more of the
markets will liquidate and go into gold because of uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Iran touches a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
You know, the periphery of Iran is Russia and China
and the control of that of the oil there, and
then there's so many underlying issues that affect that. That
strike on Iran and it could turn into something much
much wider, which is what I've been talking about. We
might turn our attention away from Ukraine temporarily or take
(24:45):
the emphasis off that. But uh, that's maybe why Trump's here,
because the right will accept what the so called right
will accept that war, whether it's.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Like Goldilocks war is what I called it. I mean,
the right didn't like Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
The left doesn't like war with Iran, but the right,
the ride certainly gets behind that because of Israel. And
you know, just doing Israel's the APAC lobby's bidding. They're
in the Middle East, and so it makes no sense
for us to do anything in that region.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
But that's probably why we will That's right.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, we look at the defense budget, they're boasting at
the same time they're enacting austerity programs for everybody and
pushing the panic buttons. They're saying, well, we just did
a trillion dollar defense budget.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
It wasn't that long ago that he said, Hey, I'm
going to talk to Russia in China, see if they'll
cut their defense budgets and half so will we, and
then he increases it by twelve percent. I mean, all
this stuff is just nonsense, and no matter what he does,
they cheer it. Oh look he's going to cut the
defense budget by fifty percent. That's good. Oh now he's
going to increase it by twelve that's good. We need
to be strong. It's like, you know, okay, it's just
(25:52):
whatever Trump does, they focus on it. But yeah, that's
the key thing I think is that you know, it's
going to have some effect, uh financially, but when I
like I said, I don't really. It's it's good to
see things moving in this direction. It's good to see
gold going up, but it's not really for me. It's
(26:13):
not about the price of golden dollars. It's really about
getting something that's outside of their system. It's really about prepping.
You know, when you start talking about a war with
Iran and knock on consequences of that. Even if that
war doesn't come to our shore, it's going to have
tremendous economic consequences for us and globally it's gonna you
could put the world into a depression or you know,
(26:36):
recession or even a depression because you know the disruption
in that area. But it could have much bigger consequences.
And of course when we look at the size of
Iran versus the size of Iraq, uh there's a reason
that they've talked a long time about at attacking Iran
but haven't done it. But now he's massing all of
these stealth bombers and Diego was it Diego Garcia that island.
(27:01):
I think that they've got quite unsinkable aircraft carrier because
it's just basically a big landing strip, you know. But
they've they've amassed all their strategic bombers. I mean, I
wouldn't be surprised to see them kick this nonsense off
over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well it wouldn't either.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It's be an absolute tragedy that we haven't downgraded and
abandoned that failed policy in the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
No, we like to double and triple down. It's just
what we do.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You get different, you know, lip service from either puppet
that runs. But we always find our way back into
the Middle East and in broiling those conflicts that are
absolutely unwinnable. They have nothing to do with national security.
We could buy oil from anybody whoever runs that, whether
it's Saddam Hussein's slant drilling into Kuwait or the Kuwaitis
(27:48):
slant drilling into Iraq. Buy oil from whoever runs it.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I don't care. I never thought.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And by the way, the whole map was drawn up
by Winston Churchill, you know, drinking Scotch after the First
World War. You know, it's not even real they you know,
it's the maps are all the artificial, artificial constructs, especially
things like Kuwait.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Kind of paraphrase what he said to that moment she said, uh,
you sir, are drunk. He says, yes, But in the
morning I'll be sober and you'll still be ugl You know,
in the morning, I will be sober, but we'll still
have all these different countries and the maps that I've drawn.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
That's that he just literally just draw it, drew it up,
you know, after the First World war. And I remember
being an Afghanistan and they said, Art Burn, We're gonna
put you on a special detail and you go out
to the tarmac. And I said, okay, we gotta we
got a high profile. We're gonna you're gonna fly around
with and we're gonna go to a different point like
special operations bases in Afghanistan. Anyway, it was Tommy Frank.
(28:43):
I turned around. It was Tommy Franks, you know, four
star general. Yeah, and we've had I never I never
felt like, uh safer when I was like, I'm not
gonna this plane isn't going to crash, you know, like
so I just I just relaxed, you know. And he
was joking around with everybody, and I look out the
on the wings at you know F sixteen on each
you know, just escorting this plane. We would land at
these remote bases and you know, just like real really
(29:07):
near Iran, you know, like we would go in and
it was all I mean just it was so close
and anyway some of the border issues. And I remember
looking at the meme and it that Iran once war
with us, look how close they put their country to
our military basis.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
And that's true.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I mean we just but you know, this has been this.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Has been in the works for a very very long time.
It seems like if you even watched the movie that
Oliver Stone did on George W. Bush with Dick Cheney's character,
you know, he goes and he looks at the map
and it's everything they're talking about, the seven countries in
five years and all that, the neocon fever dream. It
always ends with Iran. Yeah, so that that is there.
(29:49):
You know, in Iran is not in the in the
region like whatever they call it, the leading state sponsor
of terror or whatever that means like that. So it's
just ridiculous, like it had hasn't invaded anybody, doesn't. I mean,
it's sure, it's it's got an aggressive you know, there
is terrorism all that stuff, but it's this, I mean,
look at what we do over there, I mean just
up ending civilizations and toppling governments.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
How did how did Ran become an Islamic radical government?
You know eight that you know, I mean it was
that and you look at you remember Netta who going
to the UN with his Acme Wiley coyote bomb thing
in the.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Back or just had the little thing.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
It was like, yeah, I think, I think Netanya, who
needs to to relearn what the word imminent means.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I mean, I guess on a long enough timeline, he's
telling me in ninety three that you know it's imminent
that Iran gets the bomb.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Well, it's a you know, it's an eighty year old
technology at this point. I mean, it's an old how
do you know stopped nuclear proliferation at this point? It's
an old technology? And I guess, you know, yeah, it's
it's it's inevitable. But what does that mean for us?
Nobody ever really asks that, like, so if Ron gets
the bomb?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So what.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
The lesson learned about all of this? And I guess
I'm deviating into foreign policy. The lesson learned that we
teach nations is that no nation that's ever possessed nuclear
weapons has ever been invaded.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
So when when you don't have a new that's the race.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Instead of instead of setting the conditions for peace, we
topple governments and nations that don't possess nuclear weapons. So
the race is always to produce another horrible weapon to
ensure you know, mutually assured destruction.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Well, everything the US government does is about perverse incentives.
Isn't it. Pretty much. It's whether you're talking about domestic
policy or economic policy, or you're talking about geeplit politics,
it's all perverse incentives. You're right, we incentivize people to
do that. And when you look at the ridiculous claims
that Natahu has been making over decades, it's kind of
like the climate change predictions, right, role is going to end,
(32:01):
you know, because of climate change. He's he's kind of
like the is to Iran like al Gore is to
climate change.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well, the major networks and because of the military industrial
complex and you know, APAC and all of that, nobody
ever asked the question why is it a mortal threat?
Why is it an existential crisis? That if Iran has
any kind of weapon, what does that matter to us?
What what does that have to do with American security?
It doesn't. So then you have to ask, so who
(32:33):
does it threaten? What threatens Israel? And that's where we're
back to that and this just the insane times in
which we live. And you know, there's really you know,
you and I are talking before the elections, like what's
the best outcome here? You know, a Harris Win, you
get X, you get you know, I think more draconian
(32:53):
moves against crypto and other things, and I think old
would have been probably higher than today.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Had a Harris win, we have a different market, but.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
We'd be seeing probably you know, a lead into a
conflict with Russia. It's exactly what you've been saying. Yeah,
and then this is the reverse ticket. But but we
might get war with everybody because we're you know, we're
hitting Does the dominoes fall very quickly? If you know
anything about diplomacy and history, read The Guns of August
(33:21):
by Barbara Tuckman about the lead up to World War One,
and they they literally couldn't stop the war. It's one
of the things that Kennedy was reading during the Cuban
missile crisis. He was reading Barbara Tuckman, and you know,
he decided to try to stop the stop the dominoes,
and nobody really and that's you know, he did that
back channel communicate with with Cruise Schieff to replace the
(33:42):
missiles in Turkey with the missiles in Cuba. And we
just don't have that type of that type of mindset now.
So that's that terrifying. Who in the White House is
going to stop the war?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
I don't know if they know what they're doing, if
at this point, like if they're going to be just
pushing all these buttons, and especially with the this should
be an alarm bell in the night. This tariff policy
is so called Liberation Day. I mean, how do you
announce something that's supposed to be remembered as one of
the greatest days in American history and then delay it?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's just absolute nonsense. You know, you
talk about kicking off a war, starting it, and then
you know, now we can't stop it, we can't get
it back. And of course we've seen that economically with inflation.
How many times, as you know, the government is the
causes of the inflation and printing money and everything. How
many times have they done that? And then they can't
pull that thing back in, you know, they push Humpty
Dumpty off the wall and then all the king's men
(34:33):
can't figure out how to put him together again. And so, yeah,
we see this over and over again with the policies
that they do, whether it's inflation or whether it's war,
these other things, they create these problems, they break stuff.
Government is very good at breaking things. It's very poor
at fixing them afterwards. And so this whole thing. Yeah,
when I had done a guy from Mesa's Institute earlier
(34:54):
this week and we talked about one of his books
that he had for children was The Broken Window, talking
about the broken window fallacy. And when I look at
all this cheering about Trump and the tariffs and all
the rest of stuff, to me, that's basically just the
broken window fallacy. We're going to break all this stuff
and it's going to be great because they were going
to build it back, you know, build it back better.
(35:15):
And it's just I don't know, It's people should be
very concerned about. Is what is being pushed. And I
really do think that it is intentional chaos, designed to
break things and bust it. And they pull in one
guy who takes one approach to it, they pull another
guy takes a different approach, but the end game for
both of them is to break everything. I think that's
(35:37):
the bottom line. Well, tell us again, you've been really
busy with the We had gold go temporarily on sale
this last last couple of days, and it's been a
lot of economic activity. Tell us a little bit about
wise Wolf Gold. What's happening there.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Oh, We're just continuing to supply our members at wolf
Pack and all our direct sales and try to get
orders out as fast as I can. That's always top priority.
And you know, the I guess the upside to watching
the current leadership on the economy is that I I
redouble my efforts, rededicate my efforts for discipline and not
(36:16):
being all over the place, you know, actually making good
sound fiscal decisions, cutting out waste, things like that, staying
lean and you know, to to weather market uncertainty, not
getting over leveraged.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
So I'm learning.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I guess that's some at some level like this is
good for me, This is a great lesson. I'm gonna
this is not what not to do. So I'm gonna
not do what the uh so called leaders are doing
right now. And so we're gonna be around, you know,
you know, God willing, I'll be here next year. So
just taking good care of our customers. We've got lots
of great deals over on. Wolf Pack started that Sigma
(36:50):
wolf program at seven fifty. I know everybody can afford
seven to fifty a months, but you can also do
one time purchases all the way across the board some
fifty dollars a month all the way up to five thousand,
and that's just on wolf Pack. I have wise Wolf
Bitcoin in place. We can take your orders on that
if you want to set up a bitcoin wallet or
buy bitcoin, or use bitcoin to buy gold and silver
with the only broker in America that's no fee. I
(37:13):
treat bitcoin as cash. Nobody does that. So we've made
a lot of good moves in the last six months.
And I sometimes I forget how much we've actually done
because it doesn't seem like that. It seems like I'm
on a Hansterer wheel. But we have done a lot.
So I'm really proud of my crew.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
And hey, I don't know how you do it with
all the fluctuations and price that we see and all
that kind of stuff. I mean, you know, I was
just talking earlier about a guy who has a tattooed
needle supply business and how difficult is going to be
for him with the all of a sudden get hit
with a one hundred and four percent of tariff, you know,
this kind and that's it's such a challenging environment for people,
(37:51):
whatever kind of business that they're in because you never
know what's going to happen to the supply chain. You
never know what's going to happen to prices, and constantly
in this state of fluck. I mean, that's what's so damaged,
damaging about all this stuff is the chaos and the
flux that Trump is doing. And that's why I say
it's intentional. A lot of people looked at it and said,
I think he's intentionally trying to put us into a
recession so you can get pressure on the FED to
(38:14):
lower the interest rates, and that's genius. And it's like, no,
it's not as criminal. It's criminal, but the end does
not justify the means. Just because you want to lower
interest rates does not justify you putting people out of
business and harming people individually like this. And so you know,
my hat's off to you. I know you've got a
very difficult thing to do to try all small businesses
(38:35):
do try to stay in business with what is happening,
and of course provides challenges for all of us. That's
why I say, I want to try to get out
of this chaos market. You know, things you can do
to get away from chaos is gold. He's going to
have an effect on gold, but not as much as
most other assets that you could have out there, right,
(38:55):
So that's part of it is to have some stability
this but again it is very important to regardless of
what happens with these crazy and rigged financial markets, it's
important to have gold there to get out of the system,
to maintain your privacy because the privacy is priceless. And
I can tell you as someone who has been canceled
(39:18):
and financially banned, canceled on social media and stuff like that,
you know, to have PayPal and Venmo and others shut
us down and say you can't do business. I know
what that's like, and I know that's coming. That's their
design for everybody. That's why I'm looking at gold. I
don't really care about I do care about the price,
but I don't care about the price compared to that.
You can't put a price tag on that being outside
(39:40):
of their system where they can destroy you.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Well, I was just to add before we close. I
think there is some upside to the price increasing. It
increases the infrastructure of gold production, the ubiquity of coinage
and other things that in the access because it incentivizes
the market to get those out there and it helps
us be outside of the system. It helps the supply
(40:06):
chain for gold because the mining sector, and I think
it's the decline of Fiat currency worldwide and pouring into
the two monetary metals like gold is a good thing.
And I think we'll serve to to create that infrastructure
that's outside of the financial system, you can hold physical metals.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I think that's an upside here too.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
That's right. Well, you got a program that immediately follows ours.
Is that on for today?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
That's on for today.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You can go to my ex at Tony Arterburn or
the America Unplug channel over on Rumble and it's the
order Burn Radio transmission. We'll have an interesting conversation based
on today's headlines.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Good.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
We need to get you on Kick. Yeah, that'd be good,
so you could just kind of hand it off there
at Travis is telling me that you just kind of
hand off one program to the other one if you're
on Kick. Okay, But that's great. Well, thank you so much, Tonny,
thank you for your support of this program. And folks, look,
just keep your options open and understand that the finances
(41:05):
are always important, but it's also important to have some
prepping to be outside of this rigged system, and they
could be rigging it to go down, and that certainly
is a possibility. Thank you so much, Tony, thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
For joining us.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Have a good day and people check out his Artamen
Unplugged right after this show. We'll be right back
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