Hollywood’s Great Reset, Crypto Fight for Privacy, Pagan Olympics, and the War on Christian Men

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
All right, welcome back. We have our guest, doctor Ted Behar.
He's founder and publisher of Movie Guide. Many of you
know that before I got into this, Karen and I
used to own several video stores, and so I used
to rely on his publications quite a bit. And I'm
really excited to talk to doctor Bear because of the

(00:28):
influence that our movies have on our culture. And that's
really how he has focused his tagline is he who
controls the media controls the culture, and of course politics
and everything else is downstream from culture. I think when
we look at this, we have to be wise consumers
if we're going to be consumers at all of media,

(00:50):
and of course it's inescapable that we're going to consume it.
So thank you for joining us, doctor Bear. Appreciate you
coming on.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
And it is a great pleasure to join you, especially
some you know it comes from the video store business.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, that was a lot of fun while it lasted.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, you know what we have right now really is
is kind of a great reset of distribution, isn't it.
You know, they they changed the distribution, They got rid
of the video stories, which they were never really very
happy about. Frankly, but now, you know, I think they
put the bullseye a few years ago, many of them, uh,
you know, there's a disagreement within the industry, but they
kind of put a bulls eye on the movie theaters.
And now we've got we've got number two Regal has

(01:32):
declared bankruptcy Chapter eleven. You've got number one AMC with
one thousand movie theaters. They are trying to, you know,
issue some new financial instruments on Wall Street to kind
of keep going. What do you see happening with movie
distribution in the near future. Is it going to go
streaming completely? Are they going to get rid of the

(01:53):
the movie theaters?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, you know, I have a lot of the studio
heads to speak at my class on how to succeed
in Hollywood without losing their soul because studio heads usually
know what's going on, and you know, they say that
it's it really is difficult without the theater release because
streaming doesn't give you a box office. So you know,

(02:18):
most of the money made by a movie is overseas.
If you've ever gone to the can Film Festival, which
I've done a couple of times, and friends of minor
you know, middle European distributors, et cetera. They buy films
based on the box office here. If it's an A movie,
you know, they'll pay a couple of million dollars. If

(02:39):
it's a B movie, they'll play maybe just a little
under a million dollars. If it's a C movie, they'll
play a couple. But that's the way you sell movies
and territories all the way from China to Germany to
Africa to wherever else. If we're still selling in China,
which is a gigantic market. So people who come to
me who are studio heads and the next one, I've
got one of the best has in the business speaking

(03:02):
in November and one of the biggest film financiers, et cetera,
And they say, you know, when we try to recoup overseas,
we've got to have a number, and we can't get
a number from streaming. In fact, Netflix just fired one
of their people because he was jocking the numbers. He
was head of that to determine what was succeeding or not.

(03:25):
So you don't know what's succeeding on streaming. It's invisible.
He used to be more visible when Facebook and everybody
else was giving you access to getting the numbers, but
Facebook was criticized for that because it doesn't do it anymore.
So you have a tremendous problem without the audience that

(03:45):
you know what, the movie has worked overseas, and at
sixty percent of the box office is overseas, you're in
big trouble. So that's where we are today. We are
in vague trouble today, and it's not been easy now.
The theatrical business is always a tough business running theaters.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I had a friend who.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Is my daughter's godfather, who was head of MGM and
people like that, and he wanted to go into the
movie business because they're showmen. They like to be showmen.
That's what they want to do.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
My parents were movie stars during the thirties, so my
father won the Box Office Award and they started in
sixty two movies and then they started Broadley. They showed
must go on the grease paint, the smell of the
grease band at the bar of the crowd. I grew
up in all that business, so you want to be
a showman. But the theaters are subject to the studios,

(04:37):
and the studios have really created the problem here with
you know, and they've got to get out of it
for Regal and others. Regal used to be owned by
a friend of mine, and then the company before that
they both bought was United Artists that was owned by another.
These are Presbyterians out of Denver. What are Presbyterians doing
owning would have me in the case of my daughter

(05:00):
godfather who bought the theater in Atlanta. You know, he
bought one movie and you get to bid on him Annie.
And if it's a big movie like Annie, you've got
to give them one hundred percent of the box office
for the first two or three weeks. And if Annie
is a bomb, which is what it was, it got
bad reviews, you're giving one hundred percent of box office.

(05:21):
Nobody's coming to the theater. You've got to make your
money back through overpriced popcorn. So people wonder why popcorn
is overpriced, because the theater is desperately trying to make
their money back. Anyway, we do the economics of the industry,
So we do a detailed economic report, and you probably
don't want to hear more about, but I can give
you it all day economics. It ends out, and so

(05:42):
the theater is by saying Okay, this is Avengers, this
is a big movie, or this is you know, Avatar
to or you know whatever it is, Tom Cruise, the latest,
whatever it is, and we want one hundred percent for
the first three weeks. Well, if that movie bombs, which
often they do, you know, you can't guarante he it's
going to be a success. Then the theater is left
with an empty theater and not enough popcorn and they're

(06:06):
in big trouble mm hmmmm.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
And they had a lot of MP theaters and it's
one of the things that's gotten them. Both of these
chains are about five billion dollars in debt because of
the lockdown. But I think even more important than the money.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
And this week this weekend is going to be worse
because you've got two movie God minus fourth. You've got
pro which is about homosexual love and actually shows fialatio
and all that opening and that's their big movie from Universal.
And then you've got Smile, which is a horror movie
and two friend of mine made it and it's so

(06:41):
negative that we gave it a negative four and only
three stars. The first one we gave two stars, uh
and negative four. So they're they're a part. They're just awful.
So you know, you've got to be a real addict
to go to a theater when the movie is just awful.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, that's right, And and that's why, you know, even
though we always enjoyed movies, and we got into the
movies in the mid eighties when they had, you know,
kind of capitulated because the Supreme Court decision and said
all right, we'll allow the video rental business to exist,
and they opened up their vaults, and so we were
excited because we were doing all the classic movies and
we had a field day with that. That was a

(07:18):
lot of fun. But then that started to die down,
and you know, we started paying more attention to what
they were putting out, and it's the content, and the
content has amazingly gone down and really accelerating downhill. As
you're just talking about there the darkness of Hollywood. And
your movie guide you look at not only the quality

(07:40):
of how the movie was done, but you have a
separate rating in terms of, you know, the essentially the
moral content of it, right.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, the acceptability of the movie.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Last year, just let me give you some quick figures.
Ninety of the top from seeing top ten grossing movies
the box office contained over or Christian or strong biblical
values ninety percent of the overseas it was like one
two point one million, And I've got to look at

(08:15):
my figures if I'm going to get that correct. Two
point one billion out of two point six begin at
the box office contained strong Christian or biblical content streaming
strong Christian biblical. Now, that's not because the movie companies,
which are insane and I love a lot of them.
I'm not trying to be mean to them. I want

(08:35):
to get that content to do well. It's because Christians,
like your audience, want good movies. So they're choosing good movies,
and they're choosing them out of the out of the
field of movies. And you know, like last year, Quiet
Place Too started off through the Lord's Prayer, and you know,
and Belfast Academy Award winner had strong Christian content. All

(08:59):
these movies that were good at the box office, I
can go through them all because you know, one of
my favorites is Boss Baby Too, where the parents have
to go undercover and the features Christmas and everything else
to rescue their kids from a Marxist school. That plot
sounds so completely Christian that you think it must have

(09:19):
been made by some independent filmmaker out of Texas. But
it was made by a friend of mine who's made
The Boss Baby, and he that's his belief. A lot
of times, the Christians behind the scene in Hollywood who
make these movies are not the people yelling and screaming.
And it's the same way with schools and everything else.
We've allowed the tail to waggle the dog. And because

(09:41):
we have not spoken up, and we've let the negative
nabobs and they're confused and the pervert of the psychopath
speak up, we've lost the culture.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Well, let's talk a little bit about it. You know.
You see the gamut has run all the way from
right now we've got in the movie theaters, we've got
Life Mark with Kirk Camera, and then we have that's
about to stream out Little Satan. As I look at this,
based on my experience, there really wasn't any really good

(10:13):
quality Christian or family films when we were in the business.
That is really picked up and there is some good
quality stuff that's out there, but the bad stuff has
gotten much much worse. And so I look at this
and I see a real polarization in terms of content,
and unfortunately most of it is the really bad stuff
like Little Satan. I mean, how do you how do

(10:33):
you view this? And I think it's one of the
reasons that I think your Your Movie Guide is is
very important because people need to understand that a well
made film that has a really evil worldview with it,
like something like Little Satan is is something is really
dangerous because of how well it's packaged.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Right, Well, here's the story of that. They don't you know.
Cring Mine was the producer of hackel Ridge and he's
produced a lot of movies, and he says, you know,
Hollywood now makes two movies one to make money, you know,
to support sixty one thousand people at the Warner Brother's
lock You've got to make money. They got to get pay.

(11:15):
The lot has to get paid. You know, all the
loans and everything else have to get paid. You just
said that about the theater industry. So you know, they'll
make a movie that will reach a broad audience, and
they want those even streaming like and Ors are very
good streaming, and some of them are excellent. They make
those to get the audience, but they also make a

(11:37):
second category of movies to win Oscars an Academy Awards.
The one reason the Academy award business is going down
since nineteen ninety one, and you don't want all those
background But anyway, since nineteen ninety one when they finally
moved from honoring the big movies, you know, like in
the Golden Aide, Sounded Music, etc. My father's movies, you know,

(11:59):
Crime in from the et cetera. Now they're honoring movies
that are that are quirky because the guys who are
the main voters at the Academy are now the little
independent producers. So you make two types of movies in Hollywood.
They still have to make the big ones that are
clean and wholesome, and those ones will do well. You've
still got Sonic coming out with marriage and you know,

(12:21):
family and trying to be good that you have a
lot of negative coming out. And you even have movies
that are that are nice twists in terms of faith,
like bad Guys. So it's not like they disappear. They
need those movies to pay their bills, but the audience
has to be clear that they're good movies and bad movies,
and you've got to choose. You know what I've said

(12:43):
all the time is you can't just you know, pay,
you know, prepresumptuous, you can't just stereotype because every company,
you know, like Universal, puts out a lot of good,
big film films, and now it's putting out Grows, which
is something that a major studio except an evil film,

(13:06):
pro homosexual, flat show, all of that would not have
put out twenty or thirty years ago. So they're doing both.
They think that because Variety loves Bros. All the insiders
love Bros. All these quirky people who are going to
become psychopaths themselves love Bros. They want that to win
an award. But as long as those people win an award,

(13:26):
the Academy Awards has going to crater, and it's been
cratering since nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
That's right, that's right, that's what they want to see,
and you're exactly right. That's what we've seen really with Disney.
Disney has made so much money by doing broad appeal
things like a Pixar used to be, but now they
just can't seem to pull themselves back from doing the
art house, self congratulatory, propagandistic type of films. I'd love
to talk to you sometime about what has happened with Disney.

(13:54):
But I know that we're out of time. I know
you only had fifteen minutes to day. You're very busy.
I appreciate your timeppreciate you coming on again. This is
doctor Ted Behar and he is a founder and publisher
of Movie Guide. He's been around the movie businesses entire life,
knows many many people from the inside there, and he's
got the inside scoop on what is happening with the films,

(14:16):
and it will help you to discern the content from
the sizzle. I guess we could say, you know, the packaging.
They can make it. They can package the worst stuff
and make it look really sizzle and pop. So thank
you so much for joining us. Very important service that
i'd highly recommend anybody. Thank you very much, Doctor Bear.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Have a great day, look forward to talking again.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Thank you all right, bye bye Movieguide dot Org. Talk
about good versus evil? You know, as Christians, we need
to think about what we're going to do. You know,
you can have a couple of different responses and usually
some kind of a combination of those. You know, we
can just isolate ourselves and walk away. But of course,
you know Christ says, well, I didn't come to remove

(15:00):
with people, you know, followers from the world. So we
can engage in the worldview, we can engage the culture.
We can try to expose that some people will try
to create content that transcends it. And I think there's
an opportunity for us to do all three of those
types of things. I really hope I can get him
back to talk about what's going on with Disney, because

(15:23):
he had knew a lot of people who were in
and around Walt Disney back in the day, and doctor
Barr has been around for quite a while. I'll just
say that you know what he was talking about in
terms of how they would make a movie for broad
audience and try to make it a general entertainment film,

(15:44):
and then they would make a movie for themselves, so
one to make money. One that was the movie that
they were going to make for themselves and for their peers.
And that's what all these awards are about. It's really
about being celebrated by your peers. Personal story about that
was we we got into the video business. It was

(16:05):
all VHS stuff and some beta. Beta was kind of
on the way out, but it was still a factor.
We got in there that early. So was it going
to be Beta Barn or VHS village, you know, as
the symptoms, But we bet our money on VHS and
we went the right way. And then you know, as
laser discs came out, we carried laser discs and because

(16:29):
again we were focused more on catalog titles, on older
classic films and things like that. And we had about
two hundred different genres at one of our stores packed
into a small that was a real how do you
convey that to people so they can find it? And
how do you store all that stuff? You know, the
store is about six thousand square feet, but still we

(16:52):
had two hundred different genres and we had about fifteen
thousand titles and things like that. That was how we
competed against Blockbuster. They were all about the new release.
We were about the catalog, but we would also get
into the alternative media, you know, so as laser disc
would come out, we get into that. As DVD came out,
we're very excited about that because the programmability of it

(17:14):
and the small form factor of it, and as they
were talking about their capability to be able to branch
around things, and of course, you know, You've had companies
like Clean Features out of Utah that set up a
business model doing exactly that hated by Hollywood. So they
would with Clean Features, they would grab the movies and

(17:38):
you could say, well, I don't want to see sex,
I don't want to see violence, I don't want to
you know this, or that. You could check off different
things that you didn't want to see, and they would
They had a player that they could program, and so
they would come in and they would essentially on the fly,
make an airplane version of a film. You know, we've

(17:58):
all seen that. They'd put out some thing that would
be R rated and it might have nudity or something
like that in it, or some real heinous violence, and
so they would edit that out or they would reshoot
the scenes because you know that. And when they would
do that, you'd say, well, why didn't they do.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
That in the first place.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, you know why they didn't. They did it because
they wanted to flaunt the nudity. That's how they would
get people to go to the films. But they would
reshoot the films, and you know, without the nudity, they'd
reshoot some of the same scenes and they'd create an
airplane version, and so you could basically create an airplane
version of your own. And what they would do is
you buy the player from them and then you would

(18:35):
subscribe to their system and you would say, well, we
we want to watch this particular film, and you download
the instructions for it, and then it would just branch
around those particular types of things. And Hollywood hated that.
Hated that with a passion. My experience with it because
I knew that existed and people were talking about that
was going to be a capability. So we started renting

(18:57):
the DVDs and I was telling customers when they're coming
in the store, talk to them about it because I
loved hanging out in the stores and just talking to
people about movies. It was a good starting point to
talk to people. And and so we really kind of
got to know people. It's kind of like you know, cheers,
what people would you know, come in, you get to

(19:18):
know them and you start kind of get a good
idea kind of films that they like. So I was
telling people that that was to decide if they've got

(19:41):
the movie and uh, you know you wouldn't and something
you could watch with your family. So everybody's really excited
about that. So we went to a VSDA conventions. Video
Software Dealers Association as a trade organization for people who
had videos towards at rented videos, and they would have
studio heads there and one of the is one of

(20:02):
these meetings they had. One of these conventions, they had
a guy who was from New Line Cinema. You know,
they're the ones who produced Lord of the Rings and
some other things, and so he was there trying to
sell everybody on doing DVD in their stores, because most
people were not doing it in their stores it was
still early technology. And so after the presentation, I went

(20:25):
up and I talked to him and I said, so,
I've got a lot of customers. I said, I know
you can have different versions. It doesn't you don't have
to have you don't have to have two different complete movies.
You can just have it branch to different scenes, or
you can have it branch around scenes. And I said,
I know that you have the capability to do that.
I said, you have guys, have any plans to do that?

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And he said no, absolutely not. He said, all the
directors hate these airline things. They hate that with a passion.
And so he goes we get a lot of resistance
from them. We're absolutely not going to do it. I
was really shot down. And within a couple of months
they took a film I think it was called Crash,

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had James Spader in it, a really degenerate film, if
ever there was one. It was about some guy who
follows he's got some kind of a weird fetish where
he follows around car crashes and he loves to get
around car crashes and he finds it to be erotic
or something like that. And what they did was when

(21:29):
they offered that to us when it came to video,
New Line produced that and they offered their sick R
rated version and a much much sicker X rated version
so that you can have it. It's exactly what I
had talked to him about about four or six months earlier,

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exactly what I talked about, but they went the other way.
And so when you look at it, and you look
at Hollywood, and you look at how dark these people are.
And that's one of the reasons why we've seen this
can ten year old down grade and downward spiral in
the content, because as Hollywood itself gets darker and darker,
their idea of a general film that the public would

(22:12):
like to see gets even worse, and I was surprised.
There was an excellent series that was put out by
the BBC. It was narrated by James Mason and it
was about the early days of movies silent films. One
of the best documentary series I've ever seen. They talked

(22:33):
about special effects, they talked about the lighting, they talked
about the camera work, they talked about what it was
like to work in the early days of silent films
and things like that. I can't remember the title of it,
something about silver screen or something like that, but one
of them was about the morality of Hollywood and what

(22:54):
brought us, I think, if I remember correctly, the Hayes Code,
which they didn't have that in the early days of Hollywood,
and they were doing some pretty crazy stuff, especially considering
where the country was right They're putting nudity and orgies
and things like that in a lot of early silent films,

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and that caused the Hayes Code again, if I remember,
I don't know if that, I think that's what it was.
The code that came in that got very strict, you know.
So you've heard them talk about how on a television
program it was a married couple, they would have twin beds.
They're not going to be in a double bed. And
they had things like one character had to have if

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they're sitting on the bed, one characters have one foot
on the floor, that type of thing.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
They had rules like that that were very specific, and
that was a reaction to what had happened to Hollywood
in the nineteen twenties. Because when you bring in people
who basically have a theatrical background other things like that,
that's really kind of the culture that's going to be there.
So you take somebody who's flamboyantists, you know, that's what

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the actors typically are, and then you mix in large
heaps of money and a lot of fame. These people
go off the rails. I mean, it's just human nature.
Very few people can handle that, and it just destroys them.
As we see over and over again, look at all
the different stars who've you know, their their personal lives

(24:23):
are mess They're addicted to drugs and all the rest
of this stuff. I mean, we look at them and
elevate them, and yet we should pity them. They have
horrible lives. They really do and you look at this
documentary and say, oh, that's awful. I mean, I would
not exchange places with any of these people, and if
you're thinking about it, neither would you if you really
understand what's going on with them. And so that type

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of thing has always been there, and it went underground
because the Hayes Code and people didn't see the dark
underbelly of Hollywood, and yet it was getting worse and
worse all the time. I think there is not properly
understood if you don't understand the spiritual dimension of it.
And I think Hollywood has been one of the most
effective evangelizing and proselytizing tools for Satan that has ever been.

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And it really has become dark and very very powerful,
and yet there is you know, we're not called to
run away from darkness, but to confront it. And you know,
we've had some spectacular successes from some very Christian films
where the people have gotten the technical capability. Uh, I

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mean that was there were the first Christian films were
laughable in terms of how poor they were. And as
the story telling capabilities and the videography and other things
like that, the acting have improved and now there's a
lot of actors out there who are desperate to not
be a part of that culture. So there is an opportunity.

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As I said, you know that the Hollywood in general
has gotten so much darker, but there now is a
glimmer of light that is there, and so it's a
good thing to try to support some of the people
who are doing the right thing. And there are films
out there now. As I mentioned, I haven't seen it,
but Life Mark with Kirk Cameron that's gotten very good reviews.

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It's about it's about a young guy who has adopted
and things that are happening with his the common man.

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They created common Core and dumbed down our children. They
created common past track and control us. Their commons project
to make sure the commoners own nothing and the communist future.
They see the common man as simple, a sophisticated ordinary.
But each of us has worth and dignity created in

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the image of God. That is what we have in common.
That is what they want to take away. Their most
powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation. They desire to know
everything about us, while they hide everything from us. It's
time to turn that around and expose what they want

(27:26):
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Speaker 5 (27:44):
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Speaker 1 (28:06):
All right, welcome back and joining us now as Aaron
Day and he contacted me. We've talked in the past
about gold and silver and crypto, and we can talk
about that a little bit today as well, but he
primarily wanted to get on to talk about moves to
try to get some of these crypto prisoners freed. And
as I mentioned earlier, and we all know because I've

(28:27):
talked about this many times, how the Democrats had a
war on crypto and we've got a lot of people
who have been railroaded, unjustly convicted and should be pardoned.
And the hope is that Trump may do that. He
has mentioned Ross Olbrich, but and there was a free
Ross campaign that went on for quite some time. Now
there is a free Roger campaign to try to free

(28:50):
Roger Verer. Thanks for joining us, erin and tell us
a little bit about that.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Oh, thank you for having me. Yeah, this is one
of the most egregious I mean there are actually all
of these cases are egregious, the ross Old britcase and
the Ian Freeman case. And I think that Rogers cases
actually shocked me more than anything else because I learned
about crypto for the first time from Roger vere in
twenty twelve. Roger earned the nickname Bitcoin Jesus because he

(29:18):
literally evangelized this. He was the first retailer to take bitcoin,
He was the first investor in bitcoin related companies. He
literally traveled around the world and his focus on this
because you and I have talked about crypto before. You know,
as we look at what's going on with bitcoin now
and people buying bitcoin through black rock ETFs and everything else,

(29:40):
that was not Roger's vision. So if you got involved
in bitcoin from twenty ten to twenty fifteen, you got
involved with bitcoin because you wanted an alternative currency to
fiat currency. You wanted something that fixed the problems of
central banks and money printing. And you know what happened
with the two thousand and eight financial crisis and what
happened with the military industrial complex blowing people up all

(30:03):
over the world. Roger was the best person at articulating
that vision and trying to spread freedom across the globe.
And so Roger has an interesting story. Roger had actually
been arrested and spent time in prison for selling fireworks.
He was literally on eBay. He was literally the only
person who was ever arrested for this. There were retailers

(30:24):
that continued to sell the very same fireworks that he
went to prison for. The reason he went to prison
is that he was very vocal. He was a libertarian
and he would talk about you know, taxationist, theft, and
wars murder, and he was very consistent about this, and
he spoke out against the ATF. And this is very
specifically why he was targeted. So he spent I believe

(30:45):
ten months in federal prison, it was like around two
thousand or so, and then you know, he decided to
leave the country, so effectively, you know, he left, He
started the process of leaving the country. You know, right
after his prison experience, he had a hard time. That happen.
I think he moved to Japan for a while, but
then he formally left the United States and expatriated in

(31:07):
twenty fourteen, and he paid an exit tax on bitcoin.
He went through the normal process, hired lawyers, hired accountants
and paid what he thought was his proper exit tax.
And the thing that you have to understand is in
twenty fourteen, the irs didn't even know how to treat bitcoin.

(31:27):
There wasn't any guidance. Is it an asset? Is it
a currency? How do you do the tax treatment. On
top of that, the largest exchange called mount Gox had
just collapsed, so in actuality of the amount of bitcoin
that Roger had had he sold, it would have actually
crashed the market completely. So he paid that, you know,
based on his professional guidance. He paid the amount of

(31:49):
tax that he thought he owed, and then basically ten
years later they come after him after he's no longer
a citizen in this country. And it gets even worse
than that. And I think i'd spoken about this before.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, Roger wrote real quickly, what is the statute of
limitations for taxes and stuff?

Speaker 4 (32:10):
It's right, He's right up on the edge. It's like
it's very near the end. It's within twelve months of
the furthest edge case on his particular situation.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
I'm surprised that it's that long. Really, I guess they've
got a longer statute of limitations than the new for pedophilia,
you know, which is only three years.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
One, thank you, And there are a lot of different charges.
And again, part of the problem with this is it's
just retroactively. They're making it up. So this is one
of these things that's just baffling. But I had interviewed
Roger on my podcast in April before he was arrested.
He wrote this book, Hijacking Bitcoin, and I think that
we talked about this book. This is an important book because,
as I mentioned, Roger's vision has always been we need

(32:50):
better money for the world, to help everyone, to help
the seventy one percent of people that make less than
ten dollars a week. It's about having money that's fast,
cheap and separated from states, separated from banks. And bitcoin
is no longer that Bitcoin was hijacked by people tied
to the deep state. It was hijacked by people tied
to traditional finance. And so Roger, instead of just saying, oh, hey,

(33:12):
I'm going to hold onto all this bitcoin and let's
see how much you know, Fiat dollars I can make,
he's continued to push the envelope and he's continued to
invest in and innovate in cryptocurrencies that are actually fast
and usable as peer to peer digital cash. And he
wrote this book, Hijacking Bitcoin that exposed what had happened
to bitcoin, and so just so it just so happened

(33:34):
that three weeks after this book was published, he was
arrested in Spain. He was thrown in the same prison
that John McAfee died in and he's been out on
bail now you know, it's for six months, but he's silenced.
He can't even speak about this. And so this book
was really getting traction. And so now everybody's buying bitcoin,

(33:57):
nobody knows the contents of his book, and now they're
going after him retroactively for this tax situation. And it's
worse than that. They actually rated his attorney's office. So
this is actually more than just about crypto. This is
about violating attorney client privilege and trying to use that
information against him. It basically sets a precedent that says

(34:19):
you can't rely on your lawyers and your counsel for advice.
So this affects everyone. It's not just a crypto thing
or a bitcoin thing. This affects everyone who pays taxes
and everyone who uses a lawyer. And so it's a
horrible case. But the most remarkable thing about it is
he's looking at up to one hundred and nine years
in prison like Ross.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, that's the thing. I've noticed this in so many
different cases. And it's not just about the crypto stuff,
you know, with the Bundi ranch and things like that.
If they really want you for political purposes, they just
get rid of you. Talk about getting rid of an
attorney client privilege, just shut down exculpatory evidence, as they
did with Ross, all break and everything. They just so
all the rules are off the table and they just
throw everything at you. We've seen it also with a January,

(35:03):
the six people as well. In many of these cases,
it is once you get on their bad side. And
of course he is really touching a nerve because he's
offering people cryptocurrency, not as an asset, as you point out,
but as an alternative currency for people to use to
trade with.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Well, yeah, but it's even more than that. So you know, again,
I've followed Roger for over a decade and it turns
out he has supported all kinds of pro liberty causes.
He supported WikiLeaks, He was the founding donor to the
Brownstone Institute. He actually supported Ross Albrich. I mean, I
was just in Mexico at a conference and I found
out that he had donated money to rebuild homes for

(35:45):
the poor in Mexico. Like, there's a long list of
things that people don't even know about. There's what he
does publicly and all of the investments that he's made.
But he's probably one of the most generous and principled
people promoting pro liberty causes that on the planet. And
I think that is actually specific why he's being targeted
because he's very very effective at it.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Wow, So this is just kicking off this free free
Roger now?

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Is that? What?

Speaker 1 (36:09):
It was? A free rogernow dot org? Uh were and
what is happening there is this? Are you trying to
get some kind of letter writing campaign or publicity for
this or are their donations? So what what? What is
free Roger now happening?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yeah, this isn't my This is a group of friends
of Roger. This isn't my campaign specifically at all. This
is just a group of people that are are trying
to support this cause and what we're what's being done
is that similar to the you know ross olbrit campaign.
One of the reasons that Linnelbrick was so successful was
just her being tenacious and then also putting together a

(36:46):
petition which over six hundred thousand people signed. So I
was actually at the Libertarian Convention when Trump spoke about
Ross's case and so, uh so these petitions, and I
guess they're calling it an open letter frogernow dot org
is a great way of showing momentum and we want,
we want Trump to see all of the people that

(37:07):
are supportive of of Roger and his cause. And so yeah,
we're urging everyone to sign the open letter at free
rogernow dot org. And that website also has information about
the case itself and specific information. I'm obviously not a lawyer,
so I'm not you know, I'm not equipped to talk
about the specific legal issues in this case. I don't

(37:28):
have any information that's outside of what's in the public domain. However,
at free rogernow dot org there's a video clip interview
with Robert Barnes, who's a well known constitutional lawyer who
has been speaking on this. So we're going to be
sharing more. I hope he's going to be speaking more
on this, but that if you want to understand the
timeline and the legal issues. Specifically, I recommend that people

(37:51):
look at free rogernow dot org and take a look
at the Robert Barnes interview.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Good good. Has there been any content fact that has
anybody there with that organization? Have there been in any contact?
Is there any hope in terms of anybody around Trump
that they're aware of this situation or is this something
that has there been any has anybody responded to any
of this stuff from within the Trump organization.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
I believe they're aware of it, and I'm actually pretty
optimistic about it. And I'll tell you why. I mean,
as you know we've talked in the past, I've kind
of had given up on politics and more on an
exit and build kind of strategy. But you know, in
this particular case, there are a lot of similarities between
Roger and President Trump. And in fact, I wrote an
article for the Brownstone Institute about this and I kind

(38:38):
of outline all of this. But Trump has had very
similar experiences with the DOJ and the FBI that Roger's experiencing.
Trump has experienced multiple audits on an ongoing basis. He's
had his attorney client privilege with Michael Cohen and others breached.
So everything that's going on to Roger, I think that

(38:59):
has happened also to Trump. So I believe there's going
to be empathy there because here's Roger, a successful guy,
exposing the truth, and he gets targeted and harassed by
the DOJ and the FBI. So I actually think that
there's a pretty good shot here, and I'm pretty sure
people in his administration or incoming administration are aware of this.
And I actually think this campaign is going to do

(39:20):
a lot to help not only raise awareness about how
horrible the case is, but also what an advocate for
freedom Roger has been. So I you know, I think
there's a real shot. And the other thing is, you know,
usually presidents don't pardon people until the end of their term,
and we're in a completely different situation. I mean, we
already know. I mean, he actually promised to commute Ross

(39:42):
Olbert's sentence on day one. And I think that there's
other things going on with Jay Sixers, and there's a
whole there's a whole variety of people that he might
pardon right out of the gates, and so I think
it would be great to have Roger on that list.
And I think there's a real shot that that could happen.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, And of course you know, Matt Gay, who he's
tapped for Attorney General if he gets through confirmation, has
talked about pardons for many of these people and is
very much on board with that. I think though, that
the only way that Gates is I think gates confirmation
is going to depend on whether or not he can
get a recess appointment, because I think the Democrats will

(40:18):
be able to block it with a filibuster and probably will.
But if he's able to get Gates through, I think
that really does increase the chances for these types of pardons.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
No, I think it changes and Gates has come out
for pardoning Snowden. He's also come out very much in
favor of Ross and so I actually think he's absolutely
dead on on these issues. So it would be great
if he were confirmed. So I do think things are
all lining up. So you know, and again Trump has
made a big emphasis. I just saw yesterday that he's

(40:52):
looking at buying a cryptocurrency exchange. He's made all kinds
of I think he was meeting with the CEO of coinbase,
the law or just Exchange, either yesterday or today, So
you know, to the extent that he's really tied himself
to to crypto. You know, you can't you can't be
pro innovation and and pro bitcoin while you know, crucifying

(41:13):
bitcoin Jesus. So I think that, so, I really I
But the key to it is going to be to
get the word out there. And you know, the tragedy
of this is Roger's very outspoken. I mean, he's always
been outspoken about uh, you know, the military industrial complex
and all of these issues, and he's also very outspoken
about bitcoin and the fact that it was hijacked and

(41:34):
the fact that he can't speak, that he's basically completely gagged,
has to be really frustrating. So it's really important now
that we raise awareness as quickly as possible because we've
got this window between you know, here we are, you know,
past the middle of November, and the inauguration is only
a couple of months away. So now what we're trying
to do is, you know, again from a grassroots basis,

(41:55):
get as many people as possible to get the word
out about the legal case and about Roger as a person.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Is he still in Spain or did they extradit him
to the US.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
He's still in Spain, and I don't know any specific
details about this. All I know is that it took
John McAfee eight months to go to fight fully the
extradition process, and McAfee lost after eight months, and he
actually was mysteriously ended up dead the day after he
lost his final appeal to the Supreme Court in Spain.

(42:26):
So Roger's been there for over six months. So I
don't know what the timing is or what any of
that process is. But certainly here's the other part about this,
and this is one of the things. There are memes
about this. So Roger pays his taxes, hires professionals. They
haven't even told him how much they think he owes.
He's been offered no ability to settle, Like literally, this

(42:48):
situation is absurd. They haven't even told him what to pay.
Doesn't sound like they've given him any opportunity to settle.
It's just it's very politically motivated. It's very clearly politically motivated.
I hope all of these people. I hope the IRS
is abolished, and I hope that they look into the
people that were deciding to target Roger.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, problem is, it seems like it's a bipartisan move
to increase the IRS that had a budget of thirteen billion.
They give him another eighty billion to buy out with
artificial intelligence another eighty thousand agents. So yeah, I think
they're going to keep that superpower to use that as
a weapon against their enemies. Both sides will probably use that.
But it is amazing how criminal and the political persecution

(43:34):
that is just right in your face. And we've seen
this in so many different ways. The Democrats have openly
come out against a crypto and of course we have
the SEC current chair who has tried to bring the
bitcoin under his purview and other crypto stuff. He's been
sued by a lot of state attorneys general. It's expected
that he's of course going to be replaced and so forth.

(43:56):
So there's a real sea change there, and so all
of that I think bodes well. I think people ought
to be able to be free to have crypto, and
it was a full on, full court press to criminalize
crypto from the Biden administration, even shutting down banks that
were solvent because they were on and off ramps for

(44:18):
crypto that kind of cross the board intimidation because they
were going to force CBDC down our throats and they
saw crypto as the competitor of that. But there's a
dark side to this as well, as far as the
crypto stuff that Trump is in that I see. I
just wanted to get your take on. I've seen a
lot of people there. Of course, we have Lutnik who

(44:39):
is involved with tether and stable coins and other things
like this, and there's a lot of I was just
talking about GOP congressman who had gone to the COP
twenty nine all talking about carbon capture. Of course, there's
a lot to talk about carbon taxes, putting that on
the blockchain, having people be able to pay that and
track it. With the crypto stuff, it seems like there

(45:01):
is a coordinated move to kind of do a backdoor CBDC.
That's what it looks like to me, and Whitney Web
has talked about it as well. What do you think
about that? Is that something that you've seen any discussion
of or have an opinion on it.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
I definitely have an opinion. In fact, I'm writing a
new book about this very topic because one of the
conclusions that I've come to since I've been talking about
this CBDC issue exclusively is we already have a CBDC.
That's what I've realized. You know, everybody's fighting over definitions.
And I sat there and like, okay, well, what is
the agreed to definition of a CBDC? People? There isn't one.

(45:39):
So the Bank of International Settlements has one definition people
to wef have another. States have what different definitions? And
so I'm like, okay, well, let's break this down. Then
let's try to understand how does our current system actually work. Well.
The way the current system works is the federal government
issues in ioe you to the Federal Reserve, and then
the Federal Reserve creates money out of thin air, literally

(46:00):
in an oracle database. So when the federal government is
writing checks and paying to blow people up and do
you know cal fart studies and all the great things
the federal government does with money, they're writing these checks
on an out of an oracle database that is by definition,
a central bank digital currency. Now there are nuances to it.
We have commercial banks as well, and they have their
own Oracle databases and Microsoft databases, and they make up

(46:23):
their own money out of thin air backed by the
oracle database that the Federal Reserve has. But it is
it is absolutely digital and the origin of the or
the origin of this money is the Federal Reserve in
an oracle database. And so when you hear people talk
about what they're concerned about with CBDCs, what are they
What are they concerned about. They're concerned about being tracked,
they're concerned about the money being programmable, and they're concerned

(46:46):
about being censored. Well, so then I looked into that. Well,
there are thirteen different federal government programs that are already
surveilling our financial transactions. You mentioned part of it. The
IRS is already working with commercial banks to analyze our
financial trends. That already happens. The NSA is already doing
bulk data collection on our financial transactions through the Patriot Act.

(47:07):
They can come in without a warrant, sees a bank account,
and then you can't talk to anybody about it if
they give you what's called a national security letter, which
says you can't talk about this with anyone, including a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
What really, So this new.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Book that I'm going to do, actually it's going to
expand on two things. One we already have a CBDC,
and two we already have a social credit system, which
is by the way, the tax code. But those examples
that I gave, those are just three out of thirteen
different ways the federal government is monitoring our transactions. Well,
then we talk about programmability. Well, if anybody has a
health savings account or a flexible spending account, these are

(47:48):
basically debit cards that are tied directly to a bank
that are programmable. These are cards that you can only
use to buy certain healthcare related items from certain merchants
at certain times. This is using the existing financial system.
The largest provider of health savings accounts is a company
called Optimbank, which is a bank. And so the money

(48:09):
that we already have can be programmed. I mean, even
when you think about when you use a credit card,
if you travel, all of the fraud screening, you know,
you go somewhere and they shut the card off temporarily.
That just shows that the current system can be programmed.
But I know, you know, as I was jumping into this,
you were talking about energy credits, you were talking about

(48:30):
carbon credits, that type of thing. MasterCard has already created
something working with doconomy called the do Economy un branded MasterCard,
which tracks your purchases, tracks your carbon output, and literally
shuts off the card if you use too much carbon.
So this is a pilot that went on from twenty
nineteen to twenty twenty two. And it's not that they're

(48:54):
giving up on it. MasterCard continues to expand, the number
of partnerships continues to expand, and the types of products
and services they're tracking carbon for. So again, there's no
new system. So when people say, well, a CBDC is coming,
you don't need a new technological system to be able
to program money and tie it to carbon. That actually

(49:17):
has already happened with the existing system that we have.
And on the area of censorship, there was something called
Operation Choke point one point zero where numerous like twenty
different categories of businesses were basically lost access to credit
card processing services and banking services. But I just recently
found out that Baron Trump, Milania Trump, in addition to

(49:40):
Kanye West, Nick Fluentes, and doctor Joseph Mercola have all
been debanked and it's a growing list.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
So well, I've EXI there's a little bit of that.
With PayPal. I had this program was going on for
five months, then all of a sudden, PayPal and Vemo
discontinue my service. I can't use them for anything anywhere.
And I contact them, spent a lot of time on
the with them, and they said, I said, why was
I taken off? I was never I didn't do anything illegitimate.
I was never given a reason. And I spent two

(50:07):
hours on the phone with a guy there, and he said, well,
the only thing I can find is just this letter
says shut this account down immediately. And so that is
rolling out. All these different things are rolling out. You're right,
you know. You go back and you look at when
they were talking about the massive stimulus checks and all
the rest of this stuff, you know, three and a
half trillion dollars and stuff. People asked Powell, they said,

(50:30):
so you just got to print up a bunch of money,
and he goes, well, we don't really print it. We
just create credits on the computer. Just like you were saying.
It's already digital. It's already there. They're already tracking people,
they're already restricting people's access de banking people. They saw
it with Nigel Farage in the UK as well, and
so they don't like you. They just kick you out
of their financial system. And it's always done from the inside,
and it's always done iteratively, and this, I think, Aaron,

(50:53):
is what's really dangerous is that people are waiting for
there to be some kind of a grand declaration. Of
courseocrats might actually do it in that ham fisted way,
you know, the Democrats might come out and say, well, now,
as of tomorrow, we're gonna everybody's gonna have to, you know,
walk in a new way, and we're gonna have a
new kind of money and all the rest of this stuff.
But the Republicans and many other people, the more sophisticated

(51:15):
ones are the ones who are more dangerous, and they
will do it in the background, iteratively, and nobody will
really understand what's happening. As your point out, it's all collecting,
like with a MasterCard thing, and I've reported on that
in the past, but people don't see that. It's it's invisible.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Well, so this is what I'm going to put in
a new book. And you know you're right. Whitney Webb
has written a lot about this, and I have as well,
related to stable coins and everything else. What I've put
together is what I call the Tyranny Index CBDC tyranny Index.
So we already have a CBDC we already have digital
programmable money, but what I've put together are the different
elements of kind of if you think about the def
Con system that we have, right we go from Defcon

(51:51):
five to one. I guess I think one is the
worst whatever it happens to be, but we're kind of
already in the middle. So the end game for this
is a single global digital currency that is tied to
energy credits. That is literally the game plan. I've actually
outlined this in my and my articles and that I'm
going to further elaborate this. But we know who's building it,
we know what the technology platform is, we know how

(52:12):
it works. I mean literally, we know that nations are
working on interoperability. So what the United States is doing
with our CBDC isn't just related to a CBDC. They're
going to tokenize all of our assets, our stocks, our bonds,
our homes, our cars, our computers, and put it all
on one platform with the same programmability and trackability, and
that's going to connect with other countries that are doing

(52:34):
the same thing. They're designing these things to interoperate. So
when claud Schwabs is you'll own nothing and be happy. Well,
the way we're not going to be happy. But I
can tell you how they're going to get to the
you'll own nothing, and it's through this very specific process
of digitizing all of these assets and tying it all together.
So I put together this tyranny index, and you hit
on a very important point. And look, again, I'm hopeful

(52:57):
that the best that Trump can pardon, and actually that
is something that he can do, and that's a useful
thing to do. But when it comes to this issue
of cbdc's, I've analyzed the legislation that, for instance, Cynthia
Loomis and some of these other politicians have put out there,
and all of it adds to the tyranny index. The
way the Republicans go about doing it is that they say, well,

(53:17):
we don't want CBDCs, but what we're going to do
is we're going to give the largest banks the exclusive
ability to create what are called stable coins. Well, what
is a stable coin? A stable coin is a digital
programmable form of money. That's exactly what a CBDC is.
And by the way, who owns the Federal Reserve? The
largest banks own the Federal Reserve. So this idea that

(53:37):
somehow you don't have a CBDC, or you don't have
all of the features of a CBDC just because it
comes from JP Morgan, Chase Er Wells Fargo is a
false argument. And so I'm going to do so when
I roll out the new book, I'm going to really
spell out this tyranny index. And then every time a
piece of legislation comes out, I don't care which party
it is, we're going to be able to rate it

(53:58):
and understand it based on how it increases or decreases
tyranny on this CBDC scale. But I think it's critical
that people understand that we already have a CBDC and
stop looking at it as something in the future, and
look at it as something that it's already unacceptably bad today,
but boy can get worse, and it can get worse
than people can even imagine at this point in time.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
I agree, Yeah, you know, so many people, Oh, we
dodgitablet We've got Trump now, and so now it's going
to be wonderful for a bitcoin and we stopped this
CBDC stuff, not seeing as you point out the aspects
of it that are already been put into place, not seeing
who the players are, and even to the extent that
you've got people like Howard Lutnik, who is very connected

(54:42):
to Tether, is also the co chair of the transition team,
the Trump transition. It's put himself out for Treasury Secretary.
I don't know. I mean, there's all this gossip about
who's in and who's out, and who's going to make
it to this point. I didn't really get involved in that,
but I've seen the articles talking about that, so you've
already got that. And Hadron has just been introduced by
the Tether people as another way to tokenize everything, I

(55:06):
mean everything. As you point out, you'll own nothing. Why
because they will tokenize everything, not just you know, financial
assets like stocks and bonds or other things, but also
land and everything else will be tokenized and that'll be
the way that they will be able to steal it
from everybody. And they're well on the way to do this.
So that's really I think, Aaron, what our task is.

(55:27):
We have to get people to understand what this new
scheme is. Whenever you see this change of the Guard,
what it is. It's about a rebranding. It's about you know,
getting people confused and thinking, well, things have changed when
they haven't really changed, but they rebrand, they regroup, and
they come at us from another direction. But it's always
fundamentally the same thing, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
It is always fundamentally the same thing. And so this
is why terms matter, I mean, and propaganda is in
this area of CBDCs and technocracy in general, this is
where they really control the battlefield because they keep on
shifting definitions. Yes, they've made people think that CBDCs are
something that are coming in the future without actually addressing

(56:06):
the fact that there's something that's already here now. And
as long as they move the goalpost out and keep
making it look like it's more tyrannical and adding more
tyranny to what the actual definition is, people will be
lulled into the sense of complacency, believing that you know,
they're not already in a situation where they're tracked, and
you know, the great taking is another component of this.
You know, this is how they're going to basically take

(56:26):
control of our stocks. In four to one case, they've
already done it legally. In fact, I wrote an article
about this. You know, in a way, we've done this
to ourselves because we sign these clickwrap agreements when you.
I think Amazon has a twelve thousand word agreement for
using their service. Wells Fargo has a thirty page online agreement.

(56:47):
The Microsoft terms of Service are seventy pages. So the
average American signs between one hundred and fifty and four
hundred digital clickwrap agreements every year. Does anybody read them? No,
they don't. This has actually been shown. Somebody did a
study on this and they actually put into the terms
of service that you will literally give your firstborn child

(57:07):
to the state, and you will give up all of
your data to the NSA, And seventy six percent of
people actually signed the digital agreement. And so if you
were to read all of these agreements, it would take
an hour a day three hundred and sixty five days
a year. So literally it's a life sentence of reading
if you were to read these contracts. But we are
giving away in these online agreements is everything. We're giving

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away our privacy, we're giving away our data. There was
a recent case where somebody, a doctor, had eaten at
a restaurant on a Disney property and died of a
food allergy, and Disney tried to use the Disney Plus
Online Service agreement to get out of the lawsuit for

(57:48):
the food poisoning, and that just goes to show you,
you know, particularly when we're dealing with these large contracts
with multinational corporations where we have no idea what all
the companies are that they own and what everything is.
So we've done this. We've given away on the stock front,
and on four to one case, we've already given away
our voting rights. When people say black Rock and Vanguard

(58:08):
own all of these companies, well they don't know. It's
actually technically not true. It's our money, right, they're just
represented its assets under management. Well, there are assets, or
at least so we think there are assets. But the
things we've already given up our voting rights. Usually, when
you own a share of stock in a company, that
entitles you to vote on things. But with four to
one case, that's not the case. We give Fidelity in

(58:30):
all of these brokers and third parties the ability to
vote all of our shares. So we've given up our
voting rights. And then the next time there's a major
financial collapse and there's a bankruptcy. Let's say your broker
goes bankrupt. You might think you would own those shares,
but we don't own those shares. It turns out, because
of changes in the law, our shares will end up
going to the four largest banks through the bankruptcy process

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because those four large banks will become the large secured creditors.
So this so legally, the infrastructure has already been set up.
We've already signed away our rights. What's happening with cbdc's
and the ability to tokenize these assets is that's going
to make it so that when there's a collapse, they
can literally take everything with a click of a button.
And that is the that is a scary thing. So
my next book is going to go into that in

(59:13):
great detail. And I again I'm going to be very
rigorous about showing people this, but I will say again
to go back to Roger. The reason Roger is so
important to me and the reason that I'm spending so
much time talking about this is not only did I
learn about bitcoin from him, but I you know, I've
been living on crypto gold and silver since twenty nineteen,
and you know, I started using bitcoin cash, which is

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a fork of bitcoin. Roger didn't start it, but it's
he promoted it. Once there was this whole block size
war and everything else. It's basically the original version of bitcoin,
where with you know, low fees, and that's made to
be used as peer to peer digital cash. And then
recently Roger had introduced me to something called Zeno, which
is a privacy coin, because in essence, the way we're

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going to defeat CBDCs is we need to actually have
privacy with our digital currency. And what Roger and Ian
Freeman and Ross Olbrich and others have learned and what
the public is still not aware of, is Bitcoin is
a public ledger and these transactions are open, and in fact,
there's a database. There are tens of thousands of copies

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of everybody's financial transactions and databases all over the world.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, I saw that, and I saw that with a
Let me just jump in and give the example of
a guy who was a billionaire and he had nearly
a million dollars stolen out of his wallet and he
didn't know it, and some guy contacted him and he said,
did you know what was going on with this? And
I didn't even know that. And I've talked about that
many times. You know, it's a public first of all,

(01:00:41):
it's a public leisure Number one. Number two, you know
how easy it was for somebody somewhere to steal that
from him, but everybody can see that, and this guy
had connected it to him.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Yep, and people aren't aware of that. So now they're
using something called chain analysis to be able to track
all of your transactions. And so the key moving forward
is privacy. So Roger introduced me to this this project
called Zano. I was just in Mexico. I just met
with the development team and the whole team, and it's
an incredible project. And again Roger has been pushing the

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envelope on you know, we need peer to peer digital cash.
And in fact, one of the ideas that I'm working
on is you know, I'm working on launching what I'm
calling is a gold backed privacy stable coin. So in
other words, we talk about Tether and all of the
issues regarding Tether. I will tell you it is my
personal opinion that Tether is going to implode, and when
it implodes, it's going to take Bitcoin down with it

(01:01:33):
because the price because the price of bitcoin has been
propped up by tether, Heather's essentially been printed out of
thin air. We don't even know if the tether's backed
by anything in fact, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
I just saw they added like another seven billion dollars
or something, which is a significant percentage of what was outstanding.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
It's a significant percentage. So what happens is if tether,
you know, runs into issues, the price of bitcoin will
drop and that will provide the perfect pretext for them
to ratchet up as CBDC. They're going to say, oh, look,
we tried these other solutions. Bitcoins not stable in terms
of price. Tether was you know, problematic and you know
or possibly even fraudulent, and so we're going to have

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to give complete control over CBDCs and stable coins to
the Federal Reserve into the largest banks in the units.
It's already being teed up for that. And when you
read the legislation Cynthia Loomis again these bitcoin people love her,
but she has laser eyes and everything else, and she
talks about a Bitcoin Strategic Preserve. Read the bill that
she drafted with Jillibrand from New York. She wants to

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ban algorithmic stable coins. Explicitly, she's against privacy, and she
is for increasing KYC Know your Customer anti money laundering laws,
adding more layers of compliance for the individual and compliance
for the exchange. This isn't the way forward, and so
we are facing this now. Let's now let me put

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an optimistic cat. What should happen is they should put
pardon Roger, and then the Trump administration should actually listen
to Roger.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Yeah, I think that the Secretary of the Treasury.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Yeah, well make him secretary of the Treasury or or
just or just listen to him read this book. Because
if Trump's true intent is if he wants us, if
he wants the United States to be competitive in this
crypto space, then he really needs to listen to Roger.
So this is why I'm so adamant about promoting Roger,
because he's not only been an advocate for freedom, but he's
actually probably the most influential person in terms of promoting

(01:03:29):
solutions to the CBDC issue, which is probably why he
is where he is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, let me back a couple of bit
you were talking about Zayno. Is that something that is
under development or is that out there already?

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
It's out there already. It's actually at least felt z
A n okay and it's z A n O dot org.
This is a fascinating project and it's probably the most
it's underappreciated, but most people just don't know about it.
I think part of it is that it's it's very
technically sophisticated. The main developer who started this project has

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been working on these things for ten years. He actually
developed some of the original technology behind Minaro, and Minaro
is widely considered to be the most popular privacy coin.
And this guy was there at the very beginning. And
so Xeno itself has been around since twenty nineteen, and
so they've actually been building the technology for this for

(01:04:29):
five years. The team has worked together and it already works.
So basically it is a privacy coin. But the added
feature to this is it allows you to tokenize other
assets with the same level of privacy that you have
with Minaro. So I'll explain why this is important. So
money represents five percent of global assets. Real estate, stock spawns,

(01:04:53):
everything else. All other non monetary assets make up that
other ninety five percent. Excuse me, as I was mentioning
when they roll out cbdc's they're already working on a
technology to centrally tokenize all of our other assets so
that they can control everything. They can control our real estate,
our investment portfolios, so we need an answer not only

(01:05:15):
to CBDCs, but we also need an answer to this
project to centrally tokenize all of our other assets. Minarow
is what allows you to do this? And so I'm
actually working on a gold backed privacy stable coin.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
They know, Oh, okay, is it Monaro or Zeo that
you said allows you to do that?

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Zeno allows you to do that. Zan allows you to
do the tokenization. So basically Zeno you can use it
as a currency in its own right like Monaro, but
it also allows you to tokenize these other assets. And
so some of the use cases for this are I mean, again,
in the future you could tokenize stock spawns and everything else.
But the immediate applications are you could create a gold
backed stable coin that is private. So imagine now you're

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able to use a cryptocurrency that is actually backed by
gold that you could physically redeem for gold, but yet
the individual transactions remain private, like Manaro. That's one application
of Xeno. Another application that's being rolled out is we
talked about the fact that Bitcoin and ethereum and bitcoin cash,
these other cryptocurrencies are transparent. You can actually use Zeno

(01:06:19):
to make Bitcoin private. So there's this I want to
get into all the details on it, but there's something
called confidential layer that's going to allow you to take
your bitcoin, bridge it into Xeno and make it private.
So really what Zeno is is it is a blockchain
that is specifically for enabling you to make other assets private.

(01:06:40):
And to me, this is actually of critical importance because
in the grand scheme of things, the big battle that
we have right now is we're fighting against technocracy. We're
fighting against the movement towards a one world government where
everything is transparent, at least to the people that are
running that show. So privacy is actually the answer to this.
So all of the solutions that we're going to be

(01:07:01):
looking to are going to be privacy protecting solutions and technologies,
and I think Xeno is actually at the forefront of this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
That's great. Yeah, you know, we had Life after Google
that the book about that, and what he was saying
was he said, privacy is going to become a real commodity.
And I think, you know the problem is is that
people don't value that enough. You know, when we look
at at privacy, and so if we value that enough,

(01:07:31):
then we will find constructs to do things like that,
like you're talking about was A and other things. They've
got a couple of questions for you, d G eight
says David. Can you please ask yesterday about XRP Ripple
fast Little Fees but the only crypto listed as a
WEF business partner. What do you think about Ripple?

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
I'm not a fan of Ripple, but again I want
to say specifically what I do, and I do workshops
around the country and the increasingly next year around the
world where I teach people how to use crypto for
the day to day transactions. And I'm also onboarding merchants
to be able to accept crypto, and one of the
criteria for me now is it has to be private
by default, because what we're really triding up against here

(01:08:14):
are CBDCs, and so we need privacy. So I'm really
looking at Monaro and Zeno as being the preferred options.
Whether what coins do from a speculative price perspective, I
don't know. I'm not an expert at that. I'm looking
at the utility of the projects and with the understanding
that we need to be able to trade with one
another outside of this beast system.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah, I agree, Brian and Dev McCartney ask if you know,
are we already in bricks the fat attended the Bricks
meeting in Russia.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
She said, no, I do not. I have not seen that,
but I certainly I can't imagine that we're in bricks.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Okay. And of course that other one we've already talked
about about, the Monaro pirate coin and Zeno, they also
put Darrow. I guess is there something called Darrow? Is
that another one?

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
There's another one? And you know, I think they had
some technical issues with this that were exposed earlier in
the year, but I'm not by the way, I also
want to say, I'm not a maximalist. So there's one.
There's an interesting thing that happens. I was just in
Mexico at a Mineroitopia conference, and so obviously the focus
was primarily Manarow, but there were other privacy coins there.
It wasn't just limited to Monaro, and we had a

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lot of interesting talks there because, particularly if you're a libertarian,
for some reason, the technocrats want one global currency. But
yet somehow we've gotten into this mode where there are
people that seem to think on the libertarian side that
we should only have one cryptocurrency like bitcoin should be
the only cryptocurrency. People want to be maximalists, and it
seems to me that the marketplace is the best way

(01:09:51):
to settle this, and that the idea itself that we
would only have one currency doesn't make sense. You should
have ongoing competition. And that's one of the things I
like about the privacy space is that there are a
lot of projects and there's a lot of innovation being
done on an ongoing basis, And so I highly recommend
people take a multi asset approach, but with a very

(01:10:12):
specific empasis on privacy. And we go back to something
you said earlier, because you hit the nail on the head.
This is a real challenge. So when I do my workshops,
most of the people in my workshops are boomers. Gen
X are boomers. And here's what I've found. Older people
value privacy but aren't as technical. They find technology a

(01:10:33):
little bit more cumbersome to use, and younger people don't
value privacy. There was a HATO survey that found that
almost a third of gen Z would be okay with
the federal government putting security cameras in people's homes. So
this is the real challenge, right now, which is the
one We have to get younger people to value privacy,
and we need to make the tools easy enough for

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older people. That is actually the path forward here. And
these are the sticking point that we have. And you know,
I know there's a lot of work being done on that.
There's a whole privacy acceleration movement, and I know that
there are a lot of people that are looking to
try to get privacy out in the forefront. I mean,
privacy is a right. We have the Fourth Amendment, which
or at least we had the Fourth Amendment. I mean,

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this is something that that people, uh, you know, we
used to assume by default. But I think you know,
between George W. Bush and everybody else, we've they've been
pushing this, you know, narrative of uh, you know, if
you if you have something, if you have nothing to hide,
then you have nothing to worry about, right. And so
there's this idea that if you want privacy, you must
be a criminal, you must be a terrorist, you must

(01:11:39):
be a money lunder. And the truth of the matter
is that when you look into who's actually doing these
violent activities, it's not people using privacy protecting technologies. It's
the people trying to suppress other people from using privacy
protecting technologies, and so we have to do a better
job of marketing why privacy is important. I don't want
privacy because I want to buy illegal things. I want

(01:11:59):
privacy because I want to be able to buy organic vegetables.
In the future, I want to be able to buy
red meat, or I want to be able to buy
raw milk. And this is something where what is it.
You know, what most people buy is normal products today
are going to be black market items in the future.
And so but they need to be educated on why
why privacy is important to make sure that that doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yes, yeah, very well said yeah, I absolutely agree with that.
And you know, you talk about how marketing privacy to people,
I think they marketed Big Brother to people. As a
matter of fact, I've always thought that these programs that began,
you know, the Big Brother reality TV show where everybody
lives their life in front of a camera. I always
thought that that was the purpose of it. It came

(01:12:41):
out before they started social media, and it was kind
of this gradual acclamation of people, Hey, these people who
are nobody and they don't have any special skills or
abilities or whatever. But they become important celebrities by letting
everybody look at their life. And then we've got everybody
chasing likes and followers and all this other kind of
stuff now on social media. And so that's really kind

(01:13:02):
of for the last thirty or so years, that's been
what they have projected out there. The people growing up
see that, and to them that is, you know, a
way to be liked, a way to get famous, a
way to get money, and all the rest of stuff.
So yeah, they have really trash privacy and we've got
to somehow get that generation, the younger generation is to
understand that. I've got another question for you here we

(01:13:25):
go on Fans says, does your guest know of a
speaker who can address professional financial organizations such as the
CFA Society and the Financial Planning Association. It can be
in person or virtual. Do you do that type of thing?

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
I mean, I'll address anybody. I guess the question is
what is the topic. But I'll talk to anybody about
these issues. And I do know, and I have spoken
in front of groups before, the problem is for a
lot of people that are registered financial advisors, they're very
constrained by what they can do. I mean, I could
go on a whole conversation about this. I actually spend

(01:14:01):
a lot of time looking at BINRA, which is basically
the governing body for financial advisors, and I was considering
going through their program because I wanted to a little
bit of a side story. But I wanted to be
able to figure out how to use tokens digital tokens
as a way to kind of replace stock, so basically
to be able to create a private stock market using

(01:14:23):
tokenized stock instead of going through the formal process. And
so once I learned how the existing system works through FINRAY,
I realized that's not possible. BINRA is basically a trade association.
It's a cartel of organizations in the financial services industry,
but they have the backing of the SEC, so they
basically can come up with their own rules, but then

(01:14:43):
it's enforced by the state. And so then when you
look at what's going on here, it turns out they
don't have much of an incentive for true innovation, specifically
in the financial services sector itself. But I'm happy to
talk to people about about all of these things. I
would love to talk to financial advisors about out FIAT currency,
the history of fiat currency, the current state of the

(01:15:04):
United States dollar. The Brownstone Institute has actually done some
research recently that kind of shows what true inflation is
versus what has been reported officially by the government. The
dollar has lost somewhere between twenty five and forty percent
of its purchasing power since twenty twenty If you actually
look at the real underlying numbers, we've actually we are

(01:15:24):
in a recession. We've been in a recession since twenty
twenty two. So I'd love to talk to, you know,
groups about this, but it's really outside of their training
and it's outside of what their mandate is because when
they provide financial advice, it's within a within their certification,
and what they're certified to teach people is, in my opinion,

(01:15:48):
against what is going on and against the economic reality
of what we're facing right now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. When you look at any government statistics,
whether you look about inflation and unemployment numbers, consumer we're
confidence or they rig the process, and then if that's
not enough, they just outright lie, you know, like we
saw with the unemployment numbers, and it's like, hey, yeah,
we just we got to revise what we told you
three months ago, we told you that there were eight

(01:16:13):
hundred thousand more jobs than there really were, but that's
not there anymore. They constantly do that. They're constantly revising
the previous quarter's numbers to create a positive trend for them.
Everything they do is a lie. It's absolutely amazing. Guard
Goldsmith says, it's sure great to know good people like
David and Aaron are out there doing this talking about
this matter. I hope more folks will speak out. Of course,

(01:16:34):
Guard has a liberty conspiracy. Everybody can catch that weeknights
on Rock Finn as well as on X on Twitter.
But tell us where people can get your information. You've
got substate, you got a podcast, you got subsach, you
got some books. So tell us a little bit about
do some self promotion here.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Sure I'll do that, but before I do that, I
want to say, you know, so right now when I'm focused,
I'm writing this book and really going into detailed not
only on CBDCs, but we already have a social credit system.
It's the tax code, right, even if if you look
at how four one k's work, if they use the
penalties and incentives of the tax code to drive our behavior,
we just don't have a user friendly app that tells

(01:17:14):
us how it's going. So I'm actually going to go
into that detail in the book. But I do want
to say, since Gardner brought this up and I haven't
mentioned it yet, there's another campaign in addition to free
Roger now dot org, there is a parallel campaign going
to free Ian Freeman, and that is free Ian now
dot org. And Ian is in federal prison for eight

(01:17:36):
years basically for selling bitcoin without the right paperwork, although
it's much worse than that. The case against him was
completely made up. Obsecutorial misconduct is probably an understatement. They
brought in, you know, undercover agents, They did a whole
variety of different things. There's but if you go to
free iannow dot org you can learn all about that case.

(01:17:58):
And so there's an initial to bring awareness to this
as well. I actually think Ian has a good shot
at winning on appeal. So he's still under an appeal
process and so you know, hopefully he'll have some success
with that. But I will say Roger learned about bitcoin
from Ian. So Ian has been involved with Free Talk Live,
which is a syndicated radio show that he and Mark

(01:18:20):
Edge had been working on for a couple of decades.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
And Garden's working with that. Now Guard is taking over
the Programole he's in car Storted doing some broadcasts for that. Yeah,
we've talked about it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Yeah, and I will tell you I just saw some
I think ten percent of the people that are part
of the Free State project here in New Hampshire learned
about it from Free Talk Live. So what's happening to
Ian is also a travesty. But I mean, as far
as my work is concerned, I'm working on this book,
but I am going to be spending a lot of
time promoting Roger Ian and even working on an event
hopefully before the inauguration that may include a Songe and

(01:18:52):
Russ Olbrich and Snowden as well, to try to really
build some energy and momentum around this pardon concept. But
I I'm at Daylightfreedom dot org and there you can
learn about everything that I'm up to, the workshops that
we do around the country teaching people about CBDCs and
then how to actually practically use cryptogold and silver for

(01:19:13):
day to day transactions. You can find me on x
at Aaron R. Day and I do have a podcast,
The Er and Day Show. Which we cover very interesting topics.
I mean a lot of it is related to CBDCs,
but a lot of it is also related more broadly
to the concept of exiting and building some non political solutions.
So I had a guest on Sterlin Leuhan and we

(01:19:36):
talked about network states, which is a new and interesting concept.
So the idea is, you know, the way to stop
centralization is to create more countries. If you actually look
at how most governments have evolved, they've either been you know,
somebody just came in by force and then dictated the
way society was going to run. The US was a
little bit different, but there hasn't really been a lot

(01:19:56):
of experimentation on governance. And so there's this new model
where p people are basically getting together based on a
common interest, people that have a kind of a shared ideology,
and then they're going out and trying to buy sovereignty.
And so this is this is kind of a new movement.
So anyway, that's not a big.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
What do is buying sovereignty look like? I mean buying
real estate in a particular area or what.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
You know, it's it's there are a lot of different models,
and this is this is part of why it's it's early,
but some of it involves trying to actually buy buy
your own, you know, political sovereignty from a nation, to
actually get a carve out from a country so that
you can actually have your own political system in political structure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
I mean, like Bill Gates just did in that African
nation where he has diplomatic community and he doesn't have
to pay taxes, and he's got a place to run
to if the legal hassles start mounting up as they have.
And in one jurisdiction they said he's got to stand trial.
I think is the Netherlands or something, But he went
to what was it, Kenya? I think he went to
Kenya and and I guess paid off some politicians. So

(01:20:59):
you can have diplomat a community and tax for existence.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
Yeah, I don't think that's quite the model we're looking
for here. I think we're looking for more, you know,
creating a community of people that have a shared ideology
that are experimenting with governance. But of course, you know,
Bill Gates takes takes any concept and storts it to
the detriment of humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
He's got enough money that he can distort anything that's
absolutely true. I got another question here for you. DG
eight says, can you ask yesterday about Jeff Berwick, a
huge supporter of privacy coins. It would be a good
guest on the David Knight Show. Tell us a little
bit about Do you know anything about Jeff? I don't
know anything.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
I've known Jeff. I've known Jeff for a while, and
you know, he's a he's a great advocate for privacy coins.
I'm actually going to be speaking at his event in
Arcapoco in February, and he was just at this this
event that I was at in Mexico City. So yeah,
he would be a very interesting guest to have on.
And he's been very early into crypto and he's an

(01:21:53):
interesting guy in general in a variety of different ways.
I know he's gone through a spiritual transformation as well,
so he probably would be an interesting person to have on.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
What you mean by a spiritual transformation and tell us
little bit about.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
That, Jesus, I don't know a lot of the details
about it, but he just, you know, went through some
things in his personal life and kind of you really
changed his attitudes and behaviors, and you'd have to talk
to him about all that. I don't want to represent
somebody's spiritual journey, but that I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
I wonder if you mcham a follower a bitcoin Jesus
or something. So you met him at the Zayo conference.
I guess it was that you were just.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
At her Well, that was Minarratop. People know, I've actually
known I've met Jeff probably ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Okay, good, good, Well, it's great talking to you, and
thank you so much for everything that you're doing. This
is really at the core of freedom because it's always
money that makes the change that control us, isn't it,
you know? And that's one of the things that concerns
me about the blockchain. It almost sounds like we're being
chained to a block and it's going to be it's

(01:22:57):
going to be something like that if we don't figure
out some methods for privacy and freedom. And so really
do appreciate the work and the research that you do. Aaron,
It's always great to have you on. You're always welcome
to come on anytime. And folks, he's talking now about
free Roger noow dot org. Also free iannow dot org.
And so if you would like to speak out on

(01:23:19):
behalf of those people try to bring awareness to them.
Hopefully the same thing will happen as we expect to
see with Ross Albrick And that was a free Ross
And I know that his mother has worked on this.
Lynn has worked on it for such a long time.
Is she Is she okay?

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Is she still involved with that? What is do you
know anything?

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
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She's an amazing person. Yeah. In fact, if I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Would like to get her on again, I've talked to her
multiple times years ago, but it's been a few years
now since I talked to her. I'd love to talk
to her again.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
She is the single example that shows that what one
person can do if you actually, if you care and
you put in the work like it is just remarkable
to see what she's been able to do. Even when
I was at Maneritopia, I mean I was actually wearing
I'm not wearing it right now, he is wearing a
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is supportive of Ross and then it's all because of

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just you know, how persistent she's been on it. So
she's great. I think she's a tremendous person, and you know,
I think at this point she's probably just probably doesn't
want to rock the boat too much because it looks
like the situation is locked in. Trump is tweeted on
this three or four times and it looks like it's
going to happen. So I'm really really happy for her.

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would be a way for him to deliver on some
campaign promises that be a win and be easy for him.
And we just hope that we can get some publicity
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All right. Joining us now is doctor Peter Hammond. I've
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and experience doing missions in South Africa and through the
southern part of Africa, going into Marxist nations and the
Muslim nations, and he had a very interesting take I
think on the Olympics. Why are the Olympic Games promoting paganism,

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perversion and blasphemy? He had a but it's an overall
comprehensive take on the history of the Olympics, the ancient
history of it, as well as how it is being
used to push the New World Order and many other things.
So joining us now, and of course I'll let me
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joining us, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (01:27:32):
David I'm sure we've all been absolutely horrified over the
deliberate Blesphemy. And it's not just offenses to Christians. That's
not so important. How I feel isn't very important. The
important thing is blessed to me, and it's offensive to
God or Mighty God, our create and the eternal judge
before him. Each one of us will stand, and you know,

(01:27:52):
it's kind of extraordinary. First of all, have this nonsense
that the Olympics committee claims, Oh, it wasn't meant to
offend any one who just won. We have a tolerance
and inclusion. And interestingly, at first they said, no, it
wasn't meant to be a parody of the Lord's Supper
based on Leonardo Davinci's iconic painting. No, it was actually

(01:28:13):
meant to be some pagan festival with Dionysius. And yet
for a remarkable resemblance to Leonardo's Davinci's iconic painting, and
the press received on the program that this would be
the last Supper.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
In fact, even.

Speaker 9 (01:28:30):
Sets and press releases beforehand the programs distributed to the
people on the banks of the Sane River.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
This was that.

Speaker 9 (01:28:37):
Section of the procession of the opening ceremony was going
to be the Last Supper, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Had an interesting clack on this, which I had not
talked about. And when I talked about it, I said,
you know, we've had parodies and the Last separ it's
a piece of art and so forth. A lot of
people have done parodies of it. But the thing that
was interesting about this one and so offensive was the
fact that they combine a parody with the bachery and
your take on it was interesting because you talked about

(01:29:04):
the subtext, the fact that it was Dionysius or Bacchanalia,
and talk about that the wine aspect of it.

Speaker 9 (01:29:11):
Now we've seen at Olympics openings they've been going increasingly
back to the pagan roots of the Olympics, and you
can see, you know, whether you're talking about Athens or
Atlanta or Barcelona, London, as they all have been getting
increasingly more pagan type of ar cultic even ceremonies, which
is going back to the roots of the Olympics, which

(01:29:32):
always was dedicated to Zeus and the whole pantheon of
Greek gods. We grateful that they don't sacrifice hundreds of
animals and engage in animal cruelcy at the beginning of
the Olympics, which they used to neverthe.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Least that may be coming, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
But now what they're doing is.

Speaker 9 (01:29:50):
If you think the Lord's Supper is so critical to
Christian faith, this isn't about Leonardo davinciy, this is about
the Lord's Supper. They're not trying to mock Leonardo da Vinci,
the artists. They're trying to mock the Lord's Supper because
the Lord's Supper symbolizes I mean, this is where the
community service was an augretten, the Long Supper before our
Lord was portrayed and crucified, the body of the Lord

(01:30:12):
symbolized by the bread his body will be broken for us,
and the wine symbolic of his blood shed for us.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
This is at the heart of our salvation.

Speaker 9 (01:30:21):
And now in this Olympic ceremony, opening ceremony, which of
course cuts millions of yours, put together that this is
a massive operation. And you have the Greek god Dionysius,
who is the god of wine and the god of
the pauchery, lying on the table where the bread and
the wine should be.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
So you've got the pautry.

Speaker 9 (01:30:42):
Instead of celebrating salvation now replaced him to celebrating sin.
And remember, Christianity believes in salvation from sin, whereas the
pagan religion of Sabatanism, which many of the modern elite
holds you, is salvation through sin. You are saved through sin.
In fact, it is through thebauchery, through breaking all the

(01:31:02):
laws of God. It is the whole Sabatine religion which
is at the heart of the Illuminati. For example, Sabatanism
which started in sixty and sixty six through Sabatin Zibbi,
which is obviously the religion of many of the elite in.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Hollywood and government today. You can see it.

Speaker 9 (01:31:21):
Horvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein epitomised Sabatanism salvation through sin.
You deliberately break all the laws of God and you
throw yourself fully into the bauchery. So you celebrate, You
celebrate sin instead of celebrating salvation.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Yes, in instead of Christ's sinless body. What you're doing
is you're using the body to create sin and to
celebrate that as you point out salvation through that sin.
It is an interesting juxtaposition. And then of course you
know the wine aspect of Dionysius and the bacchanalia you know,
saying that it's not the one is not representative of

(01:32:01):
the blood. But you know, it's wine and it's drunkenness,
and it's.

Speaker 9 (01:32:08):
Almost a religious ceremony that you engage in debauchery, in
getting drunk. This isn't a sober recognition that my sin
led to the broken body and the shed blood of
my savior, which is of course something of repentance and
regrets in our hearts and souls as we look at
it and think, you know, this is terrible what my

(01:32:28):
sin caused, the suffering, that this caused my savior. But
instead they are celebrating at debauchery, the celebrating drunkeness, and
it's got almost a religious significance. They really do worship
their sin. They celebrate this and they love this, and
that is obviously the religion of many of the elites
in the world today. Bear in mind that despite the
huge amounts of outrage around the world, the French Church, outrage,

(01:32:51):
Christians around the world outrage, and even Elon Musk and
Donald Trump and the Speaker of the House of the
US House of Representatives saying this is this disgusting, this
is shameful, this is outrageous, and yet the French present
Macron he comes up and says, we're proud of this,
and this this ceremony is about who we are as Frenchmen.

(01:33:13):
And the Mayor of Paris also said that they're proud
of this and this is wonderfulness represents who they are,
you know, blasphemous drunkards and anti Christian pagans. They are
actually proud. They're not actually rebuking this chapter. Now interesting
that the person who put this together, you know, putting
some freak show of perverts and people who look more

(01:33:38):
like the degenerates in the Hunger Games, pan M the
capital of the Hunger Games, a scenario you know already
weirdly died here in they're bizarre outfits and you've got
the bearded man who's or the bearded woman who's who's
dressed in this provocative type of dress in the whole
lot of things hanging out and you know, absolutely gross

(01:34:00):
discussing bizarre freak show and transvestites and perverts and a
whole LGBT crowd. They're not celebrating tolerance for all kinds
of religious beliefs.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
They're celebrating only.

Speaker 9 (01:34:14):
One kind of religious believe that's LGBTQ and the whole
perverted brunch and the trans crowds. This is what was
being promoted there, and this is what the French present
and French Mayor of Paris claims they're proud of, and
this is about who we are. And they paid millions
of euros to put together this whole event, which by

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the way, it's got more than that. Obviously, attacking the
heart of our salvation, the salvation of Christ is very bad.
But they're also the pale writer of Revelation going writing
down the Seine carrying the Olympic banner, and you know,
the pale rider Hell follows off to him. And you
can also think of the golden cough that's up on
the platform with the Olympic rings, so that why would

(01:34:57):
you choose a golden cough? Mindus, it's just a quite.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Right. That's well.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
Remember what President Franklin Dinlan A.

Speaker 9 (01:35:09):
Roosevelt said in politics, nothing happens by accident, And it
was also in different words by the American Ambassador to Britain,
Joseph Kennedy, the father President John F. Kennedy, Joseph Kennedy
want said in politics, the honor accidents and I think
that this is true, and people don't spend tens of

(01:35:31):
millions of euros on something if it doesn't the pitsmas
what they believe. You can be sure the opening for
the Olympics was not just approved by the Olympic Committee.
It was approved by the French governments and the Paris
City Council because it represents all of them, and they
wouldn't have been allowed to bring it to fruition unless
it has been approved on the national municipal level as

(01:35:52):
well as the international Olympic Committee level. And so that
they've got all these bizarre things, including a figure of
Mariam walking around the capitations with their head under om,
which is not even funny. I mean, it's disgusting. Yeah,
the French revlution. They're hitting thity thousand people, including women
and children. It's just, you know, it's not something to
be proud of. It's part of French history. But you know,

(01:36:15):
there's many other things that could have celebrated. They could
have John the Ark, I mean, you think of France
has got some great history they could have turned to.
Why did they have to term to paganism and ocotism
and even anti Christian blesshem you, is that really what
they are about, is this epitomizing the new world order
and the powers that should not be I think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Yeah, it's Nihilo time. As you point out, you know,
the Pale Writer, the death that was there, the Golden Calf,
all that stuff is very deliberate when they they think
a great deal about the sets that they have and
the symbolism that they put out there. There's not an accident.
And as you mentioned, we've got Republicans who criticize it,
but they're still going to fund it. And you got
Joe Biden who loved it. Jill said this is just great,

(01:36:57):
and so she loved it as much as the Marxist
mayor of Paris and as much as Macron loved it.
So they're getting what they want. And of course in
the lead up to this, they're bragging about how they
changed all the laws and they're setting up all kinds
of surveillance and things like that, which is going to remain,
that's going to be part of the permanent infrastructure to

(01:37:18):
create more surveillance, more of a police state. And so
it is really pushing us into that new world order,
isn't it?

Speaker 9 (01:37:26):
Incredibly so? And this isn't just the Olympics. We've been
seeing statues and monuments to all kinds of pagan gods
over the years. At the Athens Olympics, of course, that's Zeus.
They had Athenia, they had Aeros, the part of Love
hanging over it all, they had under Eros. There's a
bunch of these frollicking, scantly planned people touching and releasing

(01:37:51):
one another, and Aeros hopping over them. So they've had
a bunch of pagan depictions centaurs, halfman, half horse launching
shafts of life. At the beginning of Olympic ceremonies at
Atlanta it was also extremely pagan and lots of the
ancient pagan Greek gods. And after the Athens Olympics it

(01:38:14):
was said Zies must have been very pleased. Never has
so many so many people worldwide sung his praises, and
never has he had such a large flock. And so
it seems that the powers that should not be the
globalist the new World order, are using these Olympic events, which,
let's face it, over a billion people watch these opening events.

(01:38:34):
So this isn't somebody offended somebody at a school play.
This is the biggest global event and the New World
Auto Craft cannot help. They cannot resist the opportunity to
promote their religion. I mean considered, if you or I
were invited to speak at any major event, no matter
where it is, we would inject our faith. I couldn't

(01:38:57):
help you do it doesn't matter where I'm invited. I've
been Diversity's army basis. I've been in Muslim terror camps.
I've been in Communists. Hence, I've been in cults, churches, Mormons,
service witnesses, and others. At every occasion, I've brought in
the Gospel. I can't help it. That's who I am,
and I've got my message and I'll bring it in well.
The International Olympic Committee chose a well known LGBTQ activist

(01:39:23):
just into the trance movement and so on, to put
together this whole debauchery on the Sane River. As some
people said, this was insane because the name of the
river is the same river. So what you saw was
an insane opening ceremony to the Paris Olympics. And the
whole ceremony was done on the same river, and it was.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Like a like an open sewer, just like the saying
itself as an open so the imagery as as well as.

Speaker 9 (01:39:50):
It isn't open because the seven seventy seven killing me.
The river it's like the heart of Paris, and Paris
is built around the same river. And interestingly, you'll find
it's almost impossible to believe. I mean, I don't understand
how it's possible. They spent a billion euro that's euro,
a billion euro to clean up the sand so it

(01:40:12):
would be clean enough for this operation, and Paris must
do a lot of litz and pollution if it cost
that much to clean up the river. I mean, I
would have thought a million euro could have done the job.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
But what do I know?

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
But they didn't clean it up. They've got athletes who
are in the hospital with the cole II, I mean
the two of them in the hospital, so it's pretty bad.
You talked a lot about the original Olympics, and I
think it is kind of interesting that you know when
to contrast the ancient Olympics with the modern Olympics.

Speaker 9 (01:40:44):
I think that's very important because when the Olympic committee
also got under criticism because some Christian athletes have been
forbidden to have Christian symbols on themselves. On one case
a man on a surfboard, a Brazilian athlete was warned,
you get the imagery of Christianity or for your surfboard
all your disqualified from the Olympics. So when they were criticized,

(01:41:07):
they said, well, the Olympics are very strictly non religious,
really non religious.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
That is not true.

Speaker 9 (01:41:15):
The Olympics have been from the very beginning exceedingly religious.
Pagan of course, but very religious. So the original Olympics
are all done in the name of Zeus and in
fact the old pantheon of Gods, and every athlete taches
fail egiants to Zeus. And there was a procession which
involved taking the sacred fire the embers up to the
temple of Zeus, and the priests carried the embers up

(01:41:37):
and they put the fire in, which is now symbolized
by the Olympic torch coming and lightsing, and that the
torch has to start in Athens. It's all very symbolic
ands on and so this is all pagan worship. And
then they sacrificed a hundred bulls. There's a lot of
animal sacrifice before, during, and after every Olympic game.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
So every single.

Speaker 9 (01:41:59):
Olympic winner had to sacrifice after their winnings to the
Temple of Zeus. And by the way, one of the
rewards for the Olympic ethics who won was prostitutes from
the temple of Aphrodites met with the Goddess of Love,
so and the Goddess of lust. But the original Olympics

(01:42:20):
were exceedingly pagan, lots of religious activities. And for the
Olympics committee today to say we have strict neutrality, there's
nothing religious, well, what do you call worshiping Zeus and
Eros and Dionysius and all these other things.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
Are they not religious? And I think when I say non.

Speaker 9 (01:42:37):
Religious, what they mean is non Christian, because they're certainly
not non religious.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
That is just not true.

Speaker 9 (01:42:43):
And so the original Olympics were exceedingly violent. By the way,
not only were the killing of animals for sacrifices before
the Olympics and after its and after every match, but
there were One of the Olympic sports was pentachron and
that was where you could use anything from choke holds,

(01:43:05):
dislocations of arms, breaking of burns. One of the fact
there was really almost no rules. And the one of
the famous athletes, Dionysius, he was specialized in thrusting his
fingers into the person's abdomen and ripping uss in testins.
Another one of their contestants specialist breaking fingers, and so

(01:43:28):
that was one of the sports. The four horse chariot
racers were famous, exceedingly popular, you know, think Ben Her.
But these chariot dressers involved gory pile ups. People were
often disfigured beyond recognition, you know, very gory with people
cheering these things on. So that Olympics were really bloody Olympics,

(01:43:48):
and not just violent to the poor animals who are sacrificed,
but violent to the contestants. And by the way, the
contestants had to compete completely naked. Of course, only men
real other protests were not allowed if they were married.
Married women were not allowed in the stands, and they'd
risk the death penalty like being thrown off the nearby
cliffs head first if they attended in the stands. But

(01:44:12):
single women could attend, and prostitutes from the Temple of
afrid Aiti were part of the rewards for winning athletes. So,
you know, the original Olympics. But I don't know why
we couldn't have launched an international sports event that wasn't
rooted in ancient Greek paganism and was such a checkered past.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
I mean, was it really necessary.

Speaker 9 (01:44:34):
I think it's time for us to launch a new
form of international sports. We don't need the Olympics, and
Olympics seem so corrupt and so anti Christians, so pagan
and after this so blasphemous. I don't know how Christians
can want to participate in. And I come from a
sporting family. I've got several of my children have won
national colors and represents that our country overseas. So my

(01:44:58):
wife was very much into sports, and so we love sports.
My father used to run the Western Cape Cricket Union.
So I feel a little bit of a traitor to
speak like this, But we are not against sports. Of course,
Christians are not anti sports per se. We against scientology
and paganism. But the Bible does have a lot of

(01:45:20):
athletic terms. So we read in the Bible about running
the race and keeping the faith.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
And in one.

Speaker 9 (01:45:26):
Corinthians nine of the Apostle, Paul speaks about every athlete
goes into strict training to compete in the games, and
they do it for crown that will perish. But we
do it for crown, to last for eternity. And he
speaks about how we've got a subdued body, and make
our body our slave, that we will not be disqualified,

(01:45:46):
so that we can run the racers to get the price.
So these are good biblical images one Timothy before we
read that physical training is of some benefit. It's not
of eternal benefit, but it is of some benefit. Our
body is the vehicle with which our soul travels this
earth to be useful on earth. So physical sports is

(01:46:08):
lifted up as something commendable, much like being in the
military or being a farmer. Is lifted up as a
model of the Christian disciption work. So we can learn
from sports. And I remember being brought up in school
in Rhodesia, where sports would taught us as to teach
us how to be team players, to teach us how
to play according to the rules, to be gracious winners,

(01:46:30):
to be gracious losers, to play the game for the
sake of doing it right. And so in some ways
they said sports was preparing us for life. Other times
the said sports was preparing us for war. Were told
by some teachers. War is the real thing. Sports is
just the practice you know where when you learn some

(01:46:51):
of the skills that you're going to use in the battlefield,
you learn on a sports field. And so I'm not
against sports, but the Olympics have become absolutely debauched in
pagan and the hostility to Christianity acepject. You can understand
why so many people, including Elon Musk and Hobby Lobby
and others have said they're boycotting the Olympics, withdrawing advertising.

(01:47:12):
And even after all this protest, you still have the
American the French present saying he's proud of this and
this is what we are, and this is what we
are as Frenchmen, as Parisians, and well it shows you
they are so committed to their pagan religion that these
powers that should not be the globalists, are willing to
alienate a lot of people, a lot of sponsors. It's

(01:47:34):
not financially viable to do this. I don't know if
you've noticed, but the stands are often empty and they
are having trouble selling tickets to the Olympics. People are
not filling the stands, people are boycotting, many are board
out of their mind or disgusted, and so the Parasalympics
have had the lowest attendants ever. They've never had such

(01:47:55):
such bad attendants. And of course that's excluding the COVID cults,
lockdown lunacy of the Tokyo Olympics, which was postponed a
year and then they saw it didn't allow spectators in
the stands. It all had to be remotely which that's
going to have been one of the most dull.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
Olympics ever. You know, Watson.

Speaker 9 (01:48:20):
Olympics will not spectators, well they seem to, but the
masquerade madness, lockdown, lunacy, salvation by vaccination, COVID cult was
more important than the Tokyo Olympics. But now you can
see their paganism and the anti Christian blasphemy is more
important thing than a successful Olympics. Olympics and about sports,
you would think, but notice how politics is intruding more

(01:48:43):
and more now intriguingly, you might have noticed that Russia
and Belarus are not allowed to take part in the
Olympics in their own name with the unflagged and they're
not allowed to have the national anthem plate if any
of them win anything, so they're they as individuals, not
under the country. Then march on the country's flag. Now,
I find this interesting because throughout the entire Cold War,

(01:49:08):
the Soviet Union was never excluded, even while they were
oppressing and tormenting and mergering millions of their own citizens.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Even while that's an excellent point, I had not heard
anybody else want to point that out. Yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 9 (01:49:20):
Yeah, I mean, just think that the Soviet Union was
invading countries, fermenting wars and terrorism all over the world.
And when they invaded czechis Thevarki in nineteen sixty eight,
when the invaded Hungary and nineteen fifty six, they were
boycotted from the elections from the Olympics. So this is
kind of interesting. But at the same time as the
Soviet Union and Red China were marching in the Olympics

(01:49:44):
with the red flags for the stars and Hamizon sickles
and so on, we and Rhodesia and South Africa were
being boycotted from the Olympics. We couldn't take part because
we were fighting for our lives against the same communist
terrorism that the Soviet Union was sponsoring worldwide. Wo and
South Africa we're not allowed to take part in the
Olympics for decades Throughout the sixties and seventies and the eighties,

(01:50:07):
we were being excluded from the Olympics, and to let
politics interfere with sports, I think is so wrong. I
don't think you should ever be boycotting a country because
of the politics. The sportsmen should be lowed to participate,
because isn't this what helps to less intentions and bring
about reconciliation between nations and helps alleviate wars. When people

(01:50:29):
can compete and meet with and interact with people of
other nations that might be their political enemies, it is
a good thing for the country. That's why we have
student exchange programs and sports teams going across the world
is a lot better than sending armies and bombers across
the world. So I think the politicization of it is shameful,

(01:50:49):
but the hypocrisy, the double standards is just so outrageous.
How can the Olympic Committee exclude Russia now that they've
escaped from communism, but they never got them when they
were the most virulent, atheistic communist, aggressive nation, totalitarian state,
smashing their neighbors and exporting terrorism and weapons of mass

(01:51:11):
destruction all over the world, And we experienced it from
us growing up because we and Rodisa were having a
civilian airline is shot down by Soviet strello missiles, heat
seeking missiles, and the samava has been cooked and eaten.
I mean, for goodness sakes, what kind of atriustees. And
this sort of thing was going on in the seventies
and Releaser couldn't go to the Olympics, but the Soviet

(01:51:31):
Union could, so I must say I despised the International
Olympic Committee's hypocrisy. You know, every kind of sin is bad,
but the hypocrisy really offends God. And you can just
read Matty three to see what the Lord Jesus thinks
of hypocrites, his speech against the scribes and Pharisees hypocrites all.
And the committee is shocking in its hypocrisy, and the

(01:51:53):
French government is discussing in a hypocrisy too, and for
them to pretend that, you know, we're neutral when it
comes to religion, and that note we never intended to
offend anyone, and even light saying this wasn't meant to
be based on the.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
Leonodo DaVinci depiction of the.

Speaker 9 (01:52:11):
Lost Supper, but people who participated in it said they
knew that they were emulating their parading Leonardo Davinci's ariconic
depiction of the Lord' Supper, and it was even on
the program.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
So they lie, that's right, and then we're intend to
offend anyone.

Speaker 9 (01:52:27):
That's not true either, because the person they chose to
design it all was a well known LGBTQ plus pro
peed filiate type activists who they paid millions to produce this.
And then he stands up and says, I didn't mean
to offend anyone. Well, of course he did.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
He said, sorry, he got caught. Yeah, he's sorry, he
got caught. You know the point that you were making too.
And I didn't realize all those years that South Africa
and Rhodesian anything were excluded from the Olympics. I remember though,
the competition between the US and Russia as to whom
it got the most metals, and also with East Germany,

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you know, that was also a big part. And they
would even total it up, you know, the countries behind
the Iron Curtain versus the free countries, and here's how
we're competing with metals and that type of thing. So
it's always been a big nationalistic thing like that. It
was always about the Communists. But you're that's a very
interesting point. They would allow the communists to compete for that,
but then when you were fighting the Communists, they excluded you.

(01:53:29):
Now you made a point about why don't we celebrate
the heritage of life and liberty that have been the
fruit of Christianity.

Speaker 9 (01:53:41):
Yes, indeed, because in fact, the only religion the world
you lot to dinner grate is Christianity. Now I think
that's because it's only christian that's true, because they're not
out the denigrating false religions, not out the dinner grating
for example. Well, let's say, for example, the Corona or Muhammed. Well,
first of all, that gets some serious violence backlash as

(01:54:04):
they try it.

Speaker 7 (01:54:04):
That.

Speaker 9 (01:54:05):
I mean, can you mention anyone trying to have ridiculing
Muhammad or Islam in the opening of the Olympics. I
mean unthinkable. Paris would be burning John. But they go
to christian.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
The Enerjack terror my son says, when are they going
to have a draw Mohammed opening at the ceremony they
show how fair and even and they are. Yeah, they
wouldn't do that, would they, especially not in Paris with
all the migrants that they've got there.

Speaker 9 (01:54:27):
Now, I mean, can you mention having a depiction of
Muhammad being a pig farmer or having a pig.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
On his table or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
That's exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:54:35):
I mean, why would they depict Jesus Christ as an
obese trans woman and his disciples as a bunch of
perverts and cross dresses and bearded women and just the
whole lgbt Q freak show. Bizarre And in a sense
that's their evangelists. Jesus apostles are his evangelists. And the

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bread and the wine what's on the table symbolized his
body broken on across his bloodshed for us, and so
they replaced it with a pagan Greek god of debauchery
and wine. And you know, he's a naked character vested
in blue, a painted and blue. Yeah, it looks some
people say it looks like the Smith and what on
earth is this depiction? It's well, you know why he's

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blue as firs.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
He's dead.

Speaker 9 (01:55:21):
I mean it's a depiction as well. This is a
dead god, this Dionysius. But he symbolizes wine. I mean,
he's drunk himself to death basically, And this is where
we should focus our visions of salvation salvation incense, salvation
through sin, not salvation from sin. We don't celebrate salvation,
we celebrate sin. And this is what Franz and the

(01:55:45):
EU and the New World Order actually do represent. Macron
is right and that they represent ocotism, blasphemy, paganism, sabotanism.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
They love their sin, they hate to say it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
And it's also a war on women, as you were
pointing out, earlier women were not allowed to unless they
were prostitutes or something, and under penalty of death, they
would compete naked, but the women were kicked out. And
so here we have a situation where, you know, they
had very violent fighting matches and stuff like that, but
now we have women who compete in boxing, but now

(01:56:17):
they're having men box the women. And so many people
talked about that aspect how misogynistic it really is. At
the very opening ceremony, they replaced it was supposed to
be a man and a woman hold jointly holding a torch.
Well they replace the woman with a tranny, and then
they have some intersex guys who are beating up women

(01:56:37):
and that sort of thing. But it is very misogynistic,
and so the question is, you know, not only are
they celebrating this culture that is pagan and debauched anything.
But it's also a very anti woman. And you know
that culture, that religion and that's supposed to be that's
another aspect of hypocrisy. They always claim their for women,

(01:57:00):
and yet when you look at this, it is very
very anti woman.

Speaker 9 (01:57:05):
Yes, in fact, I wonder where are the feminists. They're
meant to speak up for women, but in fact they've
allowed trans men to be proclaimed women of the earth,
getting all kinds of women's awards, and then supporting a man,
excuse me, a man beating a woman in face. I mean,
that's just so disgusting. And this woman was terrified and

(01:57:28):
you know they were afraid she had a broken nose
and so on. How is this sports? And we meant
to categories, you know, male, female, and different categories in
terms of weight when comes to boxing on so that
it's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
This is not fair. This is not just this is
not sports.

Speaker 9 (01:57:45):
This is abusive woman and women are seeing they're sports invaded.
There's safe places, even if changing room's invaded. Women are
being excluded. And what are you saying when men are
taking women towards and even Women of the Year award
and what the thing is, nobody can be a woman
as well as a man, can I mean, that's just ridiculous.

(01:58:07):
That's it's so disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
I think the well, you pointed out the heritage, you
point out the heritage of Christianity, and you said, you know,
in your essay you were talking about how the athletes
were professionals and sometimes you know, they'll be highly paid,
as our professional athletes are today, but many times part
of the compensation would be to be given a slave. Well,
it was Christianity that abolished slavery, so the only culture

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that has abolished slavery, and slavery still exists in Muslim
countries and that sort of thing to this day. But
we also Christians abolished and fanticide, which these same people
are bringing back. And then on the other side, Christians
creating hospitals, libraries, universities, and colleges. These are the types

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of things that you know, it is anithetical to what
they're doing, and yet they celebrate. We look those things so, well,
those are all good things. To save the babies and
to recognize that women are equal to men before God.
We have different roles, but they are equal in the

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side of God. That was a very radical change for
the pagan world, wasn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:59:18):
Yes, You know, to study what the world was like
before the time across the world before the time across
was a world without charity, without kindness to strangers. It
was a world without compassion or even respect for women.
Women were treated as lower than slaves. And you know,
no Hollywood film there's justice to the life of women
before Christianity, because they will depict the woman walking around

(01:59:40):
freely with open face. In Roman and Ethens and Sombers. Actually,
no woman was allowed to walk around on their own
in the ancient Roman and Athens. They had to go
under male guardianship, even if it was a male slave.
But a woman, even a free woman, a princess, couldn't
look around on her own. She didn't have that freedom.

(02:00:01):
She always was under mail control. They weren't allowed to
even attend meals and own home without special permission. They
were just meant to be busting around the kitchen and serving,
and that to be in their quarters. And there was
such a lot of abusive women. Women couldn't walk outside
without bearing a veil. And this you wouldn't notice from
the Hollywood films because which actress wants to walk arounder

(02:00:23):
the face obscured in these movies. But you know, if
they were taking the ancient Rome or ancient Greece streets,
they wouldn't have ent these women walking around with their
head and hair and face uncovered. They were compelled to
be covered by law. They could get the death penalty
for not bearing a veil. And you think that's only Islamic.
That's the way the whole world was. Greek Romans before Christianity.

(02:00:47):
Christianity deliberately worked to free women on every level. And
just think of how the Gospel, the message of the
Resurrection was first proclaimed by a woman. The first con
that in Europe was a woman, Lidia, and you think
Mary Maglan. It was the first that the Tuman are
first to proclaim the resurrection. And Christianity gave women worth

(02:01:09):
and respect that had never existed before. And only Christianity
brought an into slavery. To think, every society practiced slavery
and human sacrificed, even to Rome and Greece, which is
so well thought of. They were sacrificing not only strangers
of slaves, even sacrificing their own children or wives on occasion.

(02:01:31):
You think of agamenmon sacrifices and daughter at the beginning
of the siege on Troy and in order to bring
victory and unfavorable waves soon. So there's these Greek kings
and Roman kings. They were doing all kinds of hideous things,
human sacrifices. Sherely sees it that human sacrifices on occasion
and so on, And now the world has something of

(02:01:52):
a selective memory, and and now idealizes these pre Christian
pagan societies of Greek and Rome and the Olympics, for example,
But they don't recognize how Christianity has brought about everything
good in this world.

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
We would not want to live.

Speaker 9 (02:02:06):
In this world if it hadn't been for Jesus Christ
and the influence he and as followers and teachings have
made on this world. If you just look at literacy,
universities uni editus, the very name, the etymologia of the
word uni vertitus tests to christian Ologists. Most university profess
to they don't even believe in truth or one truth

(02:02:26):
or that can be known. So I think the pagans
of today they should open up diversities, aversities, polyversities. But
a university by definition should be Christian. It's Christians pioneered
the universities, many cases ministers and missionaries. By the way,
In fact, even the whole Slavic language in alphabet was
set to writing created by Christian missionies to Russia. So

(02:02:48):
the whole Slavic alphabet when the Communists used to write
out their dates and so on, they were having to
use an alphabet designed by Christians. And even today when
we speak by Paris Olympics twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four,
what yes, Lord, even the dates tests pas to the
centrality of Christ. We haven't built our dating system on

(02:03:10):
the birth of Julius Caesar, or Muhammad or anyone else.

Speaker 3 (02:03:14):
It's or col Mark.

Speaker 1 (02:03:16):
No.

Speaker 9 (02:03:16):
Our dating system is on Jesus Christ, the most important
person who ever lived. He split the river of the
ages asunder. Here is the hymne of history. All of
history is dated BC before Christ and anonymity in the
year of our Lord AD. And they might even try
to change it owt to BCE and CE, but it's
still centered around the life of Jesus Christ. He is

(02:03:39):
the one who split our dating system into going backwards
in BC and FORD and AD. So even the very
name Parasalympics twenty twenty four tests fast to Christ, every atheist,
pagan and blasphema tests fast to the centrality of trust
when to rite to date and even the fact that
we have a seven day week is of the acts

(02:04:00):
of creation. God created the world in six days. In
the rest in the seventies, the very name restaurant, it
first came from Paris, and it came from the scripture
Matthew eleven twenty eight coming to me, all you're very
in heavy light, and I will give you rest that
the whole scripture is put on the outside of the
first establishment for easy in a pleasant environment. And over

(02:04:22):
the years they shortened it to restaurant, which of course
is it's all the French. But the very term restaurant
testify us to this came from Christianity. And there's so
many things that in our society we take for granted,
like if you say goodbye, it comes from the older English,
God be with you. That's why the spelling is so
you know, it's an English prayer, God go with you.

(02:04:45):
And in fact, if you go to Austria today they
greet you with brusegut or greetings in God in Switzerland'
abbreviate to Gritsy and so again again you can see
Christianity is throughout our Western societies and they're forgetting it.
They're not forgetting it, they're deliberately trying to obscure it
and denigrates it and replace it with debauchery.

Speaker 3 (02:05:05):
There's a consistent effort in Europe, especially by the EU.

Speaker 9 (02:05:09):
Just think of the European Union has built their parliament
in Strasburg and I've been there.

Speaker 3 (02:05:13):
It's like the town Babel.

Speaker 9 (02:05:17):
It's an incomplete building with the even the scaffolding on
the outside. It's based on Google's depiction of the town Babel.
Who's a Belgian artist. And you go to Brussels and
I've been here too. They've got a statue outside the
EU building of a woman riding a beast for goodness sex,

(02:05:37):
a woman writing a beast.

Speaker 3 (02:05:38):
Why would you do that?

Speaker 9 (02:05:39):
Yeah, And he's all biblical of antiprist.

Speaker 1 (02:05:44):
Yes. Even Richard Dawkins recently was saying, you know, he
still doesn't like Christianity, but he really likes the fruit
of Christianity. You know, let's cut down the tree, but
let's try to keep the fruit somehow. And Elon must
in many ways that similar things, not as not as
direct and as you know, spreading it out like Dawkins said,

(02:06:07):
Oh yeah, I love the culture of the Christians, and
I love the cathedrals, and I love the you know,
the Christmas music and stuff like that. But that is
the type of thing people. Here's here's the key, and
this is what I liked about your essay. If you
go back and you look at the original Pagan Olympics,
it tells you so much about their society. And if

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we look at that and what the elites are pushing towards,
pushing us towards, we can see what they admire, and
we can see that what they want to do is
take us back to that kind of a situation where
there's a few people running everything and the rest of
us are poor and slaves and living in mud huts.
That really is what they're doing, and of course exercising

(02:06:51):
that against a lot of the athletes in terms of
removing their air conditioning, removing meat for the most part,
having them sleeping on cardboard beds, all the rest of
this stuff. They want austerity, they want slavery, and that's
what we're going to get with this kind of pagan society.
So I think it is very interesting to go back
and look at what these people admire and what they

(02:07:13):
worship and the kind of society that they want to
take us into. And I think that is all there
to some degree in the Olympics. What do you think
it is?

Speaker 9 (02:07:21):
I think you know what we're seeing is the powers
that should not be of putting on display what they
want as a globalist religion. Now bear in mind, Revelation
Searchin warns us of a one world government with the
one world economic system and the one world interfaith's religion.
And so they have it in Revelation Searchin wanting the
beast is wanting to impose a one world religion. And

(02:07:41):
what's standing in a way, Well, those obnoxious individuals to say,
my conscious is captain wry of God. Jesus is the
way the truth in life. No one comes up Father.
But then they don't want that. They hate Christianity. Christianity
is true, and Christianity of course teachers that leaders should
be servants. The very concept of civil servants, I mean

(02:08:03):
very fact that Britain has a prime minister. A minister
means a deacon, a servant. So the prime minister is
the first servant. And you've got cabinet ministers who used
to sign the letters your humble servant. This comes from
Jesus teaching that the lords of the gentiles, they lauded
over them, and they call themselves benefactors. But it is

(02:08:24):
not to be like that with you, the greatest amongst.
You must be like the least, and like the youngest.
You should be the servant of all. And so Jesus
taught servant leadership, and he modeled servant leadership. I mean,
the Lord got on his knees, took a towel and
cleaned the feet of his servants when his disciples when
people walking with sandals through streets that were dusty and

(02:08:45):
dirty and filthy, and donkeys and horses walking around, and
you can imagine it would have been a dirty job
to clean people's feet when they came into the house.
You'd normally leave your sandals at the door. But now
you're sitting on couches for eating, so you know that
one person says close to person's feats, and they want
to have clean feet, especially for.

Speaker 3 (02:09:03):
The meal time, the last lost supper.

Speaker 9 (02:09:05):
The lord does the humblest task, and this is This
is the leadership of a Christian. The Christian leader leads
from the front, He leads by example, and he serves.
And that is even a Christian concept that we don't
have big chiefs, emperors who you know, cost the instructions
and like the pope who expects people to kiss his

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toes and things like that. No. Christian leadership is servant leadership,
where we care for the people. You do it as
under the least of these you've done to me. And
so why would Christianity not be respected and why would
people not be grateful to it? But no, at the Olympics,
they're choosing every single Olympics to celebrate the pagan religions

(02:09:46):
which all abused women, were involved in, animal cruelty, human sacrifices,
occultism and paganism. Why would they want to replace Christianity
with paganism? And you know who to wants to say,
I think slavery is a good thing. I think abusive
woman is a good thing. Well they might think it,
but they're not going to easily say it. But they

(02:10:07):
want to celebrate and lift up that which is pro
slavery and pro debauchery and paganism and abusive woman, and
that shows you, as you said earlier, that's the hidden goal.
They must like that. You wouldn't be lifting up and
worshiping it if you don't think it's good and a
model and what if you want for the future you
I'm not going to spend in some cases one hundred

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one hundred million pounds or one hundred million euros on
opening ceremonies if it wasn't presenting the message you want.
I wouldn't spend a dime on a printing job or
any project that didn't draw offy price and present the
solar scripture A person beliefs that are at the hearts
of my faith. And I can bet that these pagans
are not going to be putting one hundred million euros

(02:10:50):
into something that they don't wholeheartedly agree with. And just
like I proof read every single line in letter over
and over before I give the authorization for the printer
to go ahead with the print drop I want done.
There's no way that these powers that be didn't approve
everything of this Olympic before. Somebody thought of this Golden cough,
somebody thought of this pale rider, somebody thought of a

(02:11:12):
decaptained Mary internet walking around with her head under arm
and things like this. Somebody thought of, let's put some
trans women in the place of Jesus, and let's put
a bunch of freaks and LGBTQ bearded women and things
like this with a child, my dear, I mean, what's
a drag queen without a child in this last subject?

(02:11:33):
And somebody thought of this, and everybody signed off with us.
The President of France, the Mayor of Paris, probably the
whole City Council, the whole IOC, the must have all
approved us ahead of time. It wouldn't have gone ahead
without their approval, all the way up to national and international.
So this what they're telling us is, this is what
we believe, is what we stand for. This is what

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we want, which includes nothing but contempt for Christianity, not
even an acknowledgment of Christianity, as depicted in the Notre
Dame and the Notre Dame cathedral.

Speaker 3 (02:12:04):
I've been.

Speaker 9 (02:12:04):
There's a magnificent cathedral stood for a thousand years. It's
burned down. Interesting, while Notre Dame was burning, it was
while it was still burning. President Macroun said, Arsten has
been ruled out. It's not Ustener. Other was in a fibergate,
you cannot determine that. You cannot determine the cause of
a fire before the fire is out. It takes a

(02:12:25):
lot of forensics afterwards. And in the fibergate we were
often being rushed to give a verdict. We would not
give a verdict until we had examined the evidence. And
yet the Paris fire department and police department not allowed
to investigate. They were just told that and the president said,
we've ruled out Arsen. That was a year where there
were a thousand two hundred attacks on churches in France

(02:12:49):
in one year, thousand two hundred, and that's churches desecrated,
bond burned, damage in different ways, all by Muslim je artists,
but Notre Dame, the most iconic picture of Paris, the
greatest architectural masterpiece in front.

Speaker 3 (02:13:03):
That was definitely not awesome, said the prisons.

Speaker 9 (02:13:06):
So they just could not afford to allow people see,
this is the fruit of our multiculturalism, bringing people hate
Christianity and so on. And they had spaces of arson
a technicity and that just was not to them. You
can't even look there for us, and it's not awesome,
ruled out the fireman was still fighting the fire. The
fires were still blazing, and PRIs mccon really put it down,

(02:13:28):
this is not awesome. We've ruled it out and how
could they on a political basis, but not in a
forensic basis, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:13:35):
Well, And of course the true arseness was Macron himself.
He wants to burn down the country and he knows
he can do it with the migrants and the policies
that they have. But it truly is amazing. And you know,
we've had again several people recently from Dawkins to Elon
Musk talking about the fruit of Christianity, but of course

(02:13:56):
they reject the root of Christianity. You can't have Christianity
without crime, you can't have Christianity without the Bible. They
don't want any of that morality. They don't want Christ
at the center of this. And we can see if
we look back where this is all taking us in
the future, if we go down that dark path. It's
great talking to you and very insightful. I really enjoyed

(02:14:19):
listening to you. And let me give your website again.
And is it mission plural or mission singular? Frontline Mission?

Speaker 3 (02:14:25):
Miss Pokland Mission is a Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:14:28):
Frontline Mission SA dot org is where people can go
to find your books that you have there as well
as to keep up with the busy life and ministry
that you've got going there in South Africa. And it
truly is amazing all the different places that you have
gone in hostile areas that you have gone in terms

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of Marxists as well as Muslims in the different areas,
and amazing stories that you've got about how God has
has taken his word in different places. And so I
really do appreciate your faithfulness and fearlessness and putting that
out there and taking it into these dark areas. We
just have to make sure that we keep the lights

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on here at home as well. Right are starting to
go out.

Speaker 9 (02:15:17):
I'm getting deeply concerned for the West, and I think
back card Gineral William Booth wrote the book in Darkest
England back in eighteen hundreds, but I think that's more
true now. So much in the West, the capitals of
the West, France and Britain are turning away from Christ
and turning deliberty to paganism. Atheism is long anything but Christianity, yes,
And I'm keeping concerns in the United States, and your

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whole future is at stake, and I trust that people
are praying for a biblical return. We need it, back
to the Bible Reformation. We need a heaven send, holy
Spirit and powered revival.

Speaker 1 (02:15:49):
That's right. We's going to come from the bottom up.
It's going to start with each and every one of us.
And so that's just to start with us, our family,
you know, and then moves up to the government.

Speaker 9 (02:15:58):
That truly is there's no self in politics, and anyone
who's waiting for the government to save us is definitely deluded.
We've got to start on the ground, up streets, evangelism,
personal prayer, family by family devotions, one individual at a time.
We've got to win our countries back to Christ. Europe
became Christian by the hard work of missionies like Boniface

(02:16:18):
and evangelists like George Whitfield and John Wesley. We've got
to have these hard core of Anchelists, the deal moodies
that transpergents. We need dedicated servants of God, and we
need the foot soldiers on the ground too, winning neighbors,
friends and family to Christ. We've got to work very
vigorously because our whole civilization is in danger of falling
to chaos and paganism. We don't want a age of paganism.

(02:16:41):
We want to go further into the future in the
lights of Christ. And I think you've just seen in
Paris some of the darkness, including a full on blackout
across the whole city of Paris the day after this
mocking of Christ at the insane opening ceremonies.

Speaker 1 (02:16:58):
Yeah, yeah, that was interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:16:59):
Was it.

Speaker 4 (02:17:01):
Like that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:17:03):
Absolutely so, Yeah, it is. It's going to be done
one by one. They want to they want to destroy
the family. Men need to take the leadership in this.
But the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world,
as they used to always say, that's why they don't
want families. They don't want motherhood. Motherhood is devalued like
everything else. But that's that's the important thing. So we
take it back from the bottom up. We take it

(02:17:24):
back with our relationship with Christ, our family's relationship with Christ.
Frontline Mission SA dot Org. Thank you so much, Peter Hamman.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:17:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 9 (02:17:34):
If I can say last words here, and that is
the best way for you to revolt against this revolting,
disgusting new world disorder is to be straight, get converted,
love Christ, study your Bible, get married, have lots of children,
homeschool them. I mean, this is this is the way
that we will beat the new world order. When we
you know, they want you to abandon Christ. We embrace Christ.

(02:17:55):
They want you to keep quiet, We will preach the gospel.
They don't want you to pray. We will pray. So
the thing is, whatever the state and the globalist new
world order in Hollywood's telling you to do, do the opposites.
And that's a pretty good rule of something.

Speaker 1 (02:18:07):
That's the way to do it. Thank you so much, Peter,
appreciate it. Have a good Thank you, David, Thank you God.
And that concludes our program. Thank you very much for
joining us. Have a good day.

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Speaker 3 (02:19:01):
That's a website. I was hit by a jet ski
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a sudden this idea that in five hours I might

(02:19:23):
be standing before the judgment seat of Christ. I was
thirty years old. I knew the bibble very well. I
was happily married, I had two kids. I was very
much the epitome of a good American Christian. And I
realized at that moment, when it was real and I
was laying on a gurney, I'm going to get before Christ,
and this is going to be inadequate. I will not
go in with my head held high. What have I

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done to help all the hurting people out there? Not much?
And I realized at that moment I never wanted to
be in that situation. Again, theology in books is one thing.
Theology when you're laying on a gurney realizing I might
be seeing Christ in the next couple of hours is another.
When I was on the Los Angeles Police Department and

(02:20:05):
I saw a brutal, awful crime in a really horrific
crime area, and then as I got into international business,
I got to see that depravity is in five thousand
dollars suits, just like it's in do rags and running
around with AK forty seven's. We see over here on
the nice Americanized Christianity that we have, that some people
do seem totally transformed and some not. Lots of people

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claim to be Christians, Lots of people will believe in Christ,
but they don't seem that much different than some of
the stuff I saw on the streets of Los Angeles.
What's the difference that Jesus has given us? The formula
for that difference an ex sermon on the mouth. Jesus
has this list of intense demands that He's put upon us.
Those are the things that are the requirements for living
out this life with great joy and power in him. Well,

(02:20:47):
Christ has said, you can be my salt, you can
be my light, You can be the change maker in
this world if you follow me, deny yourself, pick up
your cross daily, and by the way, when you're that person,
I will shower you with great world and eternity when
you get there, and a content and joyful life here
in this world where you're seeing change and transformation around
you as people see you, this great light of the

(02:21:09):
Holy Spirit. Have you ever seen how some Christians are
so filled with great joy because they have lived up
to the Sermon on the Mount or Christ's demands not
for salvation, but for all the promises after salvation. And
so we want to walk through that in the daring
faith in the cowardly world, realizing that the world is
counting on us to carry out the good works that
Jesus laid down at the beginning of time for you

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and I to accomplish. And if we do that, we
will reap great rewards from our Master when we get
to heaven and say, Lord Jesus, I live for you,
I gave all for you, and have him say well done,
my good and faithful sermon.

Speaker 1 (02:21:45):
Okay. And that's our guest, Ken Harrison, and he saw
the book there. This is the newest book, a daring
Faith in a cowardly world. And so joining us now
is Ken Harrison. He is volunteer chairman and CEO of
Promise Keepers, and he's not a great deal of things
in his life. But thank you for joining us.

Speaker 3 (02:22:02):
Sir, No, thanks, David, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:22:05):
It's really important for us to I think the Promise
Keepers has a very important message especially for these times
that we live in, and it is very important for
men to understand what their role is and you put
that out there in a very positive way. Tell us
a little bit about the organization Promise Keepers.

Speaker 3 (02:22:24):
Well, Promise Keepers was the biggest men's movement in the
history of the church back in the nineties under Coach
Bill McCartney. So they were getting together men, filling the
NFL stadium sixty seventy thousand men at a time.

Speaker 1 (02:22:35):
I remember that.

Speaker 3 (02:22:36):
Yeah. Yeah, And they actually had a gathering in Washington,
d C. In ninety seven called Stand in the Gap.
Most people think it was called a Million Men March.
It was called standa Gap. They had one point four
million men together to worship Christ for the day and
it's the biggest gathering in the history of Washington, d C.
So it was a pretty impactful organization. It's sort of
faded out of relevance for a while, but we've been

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coming back for the last few years.

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
Well that's good. But yeah, you know, as we see
so many times the cancel culture, what is surprising is
to see that Christian venues are now canceling Promise Keepers
because they don't like anything that is masculine. Anything that
talks to men about keeping their promises that they make.
Tell us little bit about that and what's been happening
with that. It is truly amazing. I saw that, and

(02:23:21):
I just was really astounded because, as you point out,
promise keepers is so big twenty thirty years ago, and
now we've got liberal churches have gone so far to
the left that they want to ban promise keepers for
what they call their you know what is their gender ideology.

Speaker 3 (02:23:39):
Yeah, and it's I wouldve been as shocked as you have.
We went to Dallas Cowboys Stadium two years ago. We
had thirty thousand men there. It was a huge event,
and then we thought, well, let's do a bigger tour.
We get letters from all over the world saying could
you come here? And we thought, well, instead of doing
one huge event in one location, which takes so much,
just a lot of stuff, let's just go to churches.

(02:24:01):
Wouldn't that be great and we'll go all over We
have found we've been canceled and canceled and a lot
of times, David, it's not about ideology, a lot of
times just to plain about cowardice. So we had one
church come to us We met with the elders and
they said, listen, we agree with you and everything. We're
so sorry. We just don't want any protesters. We don't
need anybody to think badly of us. We don't want

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to be awful. That's from our community, right, And I mean,
if you've read the Gospels, if you read the words
of our Lord, you think, how in the world could you,
as an elder of a church, literally say I don't
want to be unpopular.

Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
They need it worse than anybody at that church. Yeah,
that's absolutely amazing, and that's what's happened. That's what we
see everywhere. That's why you know, the church is just disappearance,
because nobody will stand for the truth. And you look
at that and you say, well, then maybe you don't
really believe it. So why am I coming to your church?

Speaker 4 (02:24:53):
You know?

Speaker 3 (02:24:53):
Ao Bernard is on our board. People think he's I
don't know if you know who ever Art is. He
has a huge church in New York City. A lot
of people say, oh, he's woke. He's not woke. He's
an incredibly brilliant man, huge church in New York City
with forty thousand people. And he said something to me
that I thought was so profound. He said, Ken, you
know what the difference between a strong preference and a

(02:25:13):
conviction is? No, let me think about that, everybody at
homeless it what is the difference between a strong a
strong preference and a conviction? A conviction is not negotiable. Yes,
that struck me as so profound because when we see
Saint Jerome being barbecued based down in Rome, and after

(02:25:34):
fifteen minutes of him singing songs and laughing, he finally
yells out, I'm done on this side. He could turn
me over. Now that's a guy with convictions. Yeah, right
now we have the church is saying, well, we don't
want protesters that might make us uncomfortable. And the ironic
thing about it is our tourist called daring faith, because
what we're saying to men is you started this with
at the beginning, what is our identity? Who are we?

(02:25:58):
And as a church, we've gotten this wrong. And the
greatest lie is the one that's closest to the truth
that brings you to the wrong conclusion, and the lie
that's been seeded throughout the evangelical churches that we're all
sinners saved by grace. Well, that's true, but it's only
half true. Because when you think you're a sinner saved
by grace and you stop there, that becomes your identity.

(02:26:19):
I guess I'm a sinner instead of saved by grace.
Made into new creations in Christ, Jesus four good works
which were prepared beforehand, and we should walk in the
Ephesians two ten. We've been made new creatures, that the
spirit of God has been deposited in each person who's
put their faith in Christ. Now we're sons and daughters
are the most high God, and we need to act
like it. So the identity is a problem because when

(02:26:42):
men see, well, I'm just a sinner, then suddenly we
see what we have today, which is well, I struggle
with porn, but I'm trying to do better. No, you're
a new creature. You shouldn't be struggling with porn. What
did John say to when everyone showed up on the
launch of Jesus' ministry Jesus comes to get baptized. John
looks up and looks at everybody and says, repent, your

(02:27:03):
brute vipers who told you to repent from the for
the coming of the Lord. Repent and so deeds consistent
with your repentance. Yes, that's not something you're in the
church a lot today. And that was the beginning of
Jesus's ministry. That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:27:18):
Yeah, it's like, you know, we're going to be witnesses
to people. We got to tell the truth, the whole truth,
nothing about the truth, right. I had George barn On
and he was talking about how people like, yeah, you know,
it's like it's like a Smorgan's borg. We'll bring a
little bit of this thing over there and a little
bit of that thing over there, you know, so we
add some things that aren't true to it, you know.
But then the other part of it is that you're
talking about, is that we don't have the whole truth.

(02:27:40):
You know, Jesus would constantly, you know, heal somebody, say
now go your way and send no more. You know,
you've been changed. And if we haven't been changed, and
if we don't have that sense of transformation that changes,
then we need to go back and we need to say, well,
have I really been changed? Have I been saying? You know?

(02:28:00):
Is that something there? Because if you have, it's gonna
work itself out. And so you know, we need to constantly.
You know, we need to look at that and say,
you know, what, does my life really reflect what I
say that it does? Am I really living that? And
of course today we're seeing this more and more and
that's why, you know, talking about promise keepers. You were
kicked out of a private Christian university in Nashville, out

(02:28:21):
of a church in Cordova, Tennessee, out of a big
church in Houston, and on and on. And I just
looked at this. I was astounded. It's like, what is
wrong with telling people to keep their promises, you know,
and be a good husband and a good father and
that type of thing that you're encouraging men to take
that role. You know, what have we gotten to in

(02:28:42):
a society where that is something that people hate in
churches or Christian universities or as you pointed out, they're
afraid of the criticism that's going to come their way.

Speaker 3 (02:28:53):
Yeah, Wane, the Bible says that in the last Day's
love of many will grow cold because of a lack
of teaching doctrine.

Speaker 4 (02:29:00):
And you know, when.

Speaker 3 (02:29:00):
People listen to this, I think they think, well, is
that am I getting the whole story? I mean, maybe
this Ken Harrison guy's a real jerk, or maybe promise
has a bunch, right, I mean we're taught to think
that way. Yeah, everybody, I'm not a jerk, and we really,
we really have gone with the grace of the Lord.
We just teach God's word. One of the criticisms we

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get from people because you know, when you have people
who want to spread hatred, they don't let they're not
bogged down by truth. You know, they say whatever. And
one of them is, well, you know, we want to
subjugate women. And I'm quoted all over the place of
saying my role is not to tell women how to
behave I don't. I stay out of that. I'm not
a pastor. I run promise keepers just here to tell

(02:29:41):
men how to be So I'm here to tell men
how to be humble, gracious leaders in their home biblically
understands so they can raise their kids. We don't ever
mention anything about women or anything like that. So it's
all about humility. Who wouldn't want a husband who's humble
and gracious and those of the Bible and raises his kids. Right, So, really,
it's unbelievable when you look at the fact that churches

(02:30:03):
are walking away from this and it's terrifying. And I
will say, but I think that there is a welcome
change in the church coming in that. I think COVID
changed a lot of things when people realized that they
could sit in a robe and watch Francis chant on
the YouTube instead of right, yeah, I change that the
megachurch movement has taken over starting in the eighties, where

(02:30:26):
you know, a really good speaker with good music ended
up with this massive campus and people all went there
and it was nameless and faceless, and they did their
church thing and they went home. Well, culture no longer
values going to church. And now I don't need to
go to church and be nameless and faceless because I
can watch it on YouTube. So I think what's church about.
Church is about lifting brothers and stitches up in Christ

(02:30:48):
and shrupening each other. So church is about relationship and
teaching biblical doctrine. So for those churches that are teaching
biblical doctrine and there's relationships, and I'm telling you, starts
with the men, because women now actually make relationships the
men don't. Those churches are will be the ones who flourish.
I think we're going to go back more to a
local church where people really know each other, they raise

(02:31:09):
each other's kids instead of this nameless, faceless megachurch. And
I tell you that's going to be a welcome time.

Speaker 1 (02:31:16):
I agree. I agree. I've seen this in terms of
silver linings and what happened in twenty twenty. From the
standpoint I've talked for the longest time to people about schools,
and it's like, you know, don't but you know, be
careful about what the institution is. Oh, it's not it's
not my school, or it's not our school here, and
even if it is our school, it's not my classroom.

(02:31:38):
And then they were able to see what was actually
being taught in the classroom. And so that was a real,
you know, wake up moment for people, just like a
lot of the zoom church stuff was a wake up
in churches that said, well, you know what they've said
that there's a sickness going around, so maybe we just
it's not important enough for us to get together, you know.
So you see some things like this, and it's been
really kind of a a an opportunity for people to

(02:32:01):
reevaluate the sincerity of the institutions and to reevaluate what
is actually happening in their lives, and so I do
agree with you. I think it's not going to be everybody,
but it's going to be certainly a lot of people
have awakened to what was going on in their schools,
what was going on their churches as they saw this
stuff being locked down. And so that's the unintended positive consequences.

(02:32:25):
I think that God is using give us an idea.
You mentioned a little bit of this, but you know,
tell us a little bit about what a promise keeper's
rally is about.

Speaker 3 (02:32:34):
So this is men talking to men like men. And
so you know, when you look at a marriage, you
need to have a mother and a father for an
optimal raising of a kid. It's not always possible. But
when little Johnny skins his knee, he needs mom there
to say, Johnny, it's okay, let me put a bend
neat on me, kiss it, make it better. Well, remember
once in a while, Johnny needs dad to go you're
not that hurt, get up and get gone right.

Speaker 1 (02:32:56):
Yeah that's right.

Speaker 3 (02:32:57):
Yeah, in our society, we were lucking to and so
what we have is so many victims running around. Well,
my dad was mean, and so now I'm screwed up
and my coach didn't play me, and you know, excuses,
and so what we're here to say is, look, that
may be true. You may have had a bad father
or no father, or may maybe a lot of things.
Now what are you going to do about it? It's

(02:33:19):
time to stand up and be counter as a man
of God because you're what your kids are counting on
you to be a man exercise self control. So that's
what this is really about. So these are many events.
They're Friday night only. They go from depending on the city,
like six to nine. The first one will be New
York City on December first, and it's going to be
actually globally simulcast for free to the whole world. So

(02:33:40):
anybody who's not near New York City can could just
go sign up at promise keepers dot org and get
the simulcast. We're trying to do that through churches because
again we want to drive a relationship amongst men. We
don't want sitting at home in their road. We want
them out with other men. But we're going to take
on real issues. We're going to have becka Cook there
who is a Hollywood major Hollywood presence homosexual who God

(02:34:02):
saved to completely change his life, went to Talbot's seminary.
So Beckett tell us, you know, we're gonna have an interview.
Tell us, how do you witness to homosexuals? How should
we approach them? How did you get saved? What if
our kid comes to us and says that they're struggling
with this issue? Like real issues. We're going to deal
with depression. You know, eighty percent of suicides in America
are for middle aged men. So we're going to deal

(02:34:24):
with mental health. But it's all wrapped around Christ because
that's all it really matters. How can we liberal lives
for Jesus Christ abandoned to him. So it's going to
be very interesting. This is not celebrity driven. This is
not come see the big speaker or the big thing
or none of that. This is three hours of sober worship,
sharpening each other and real information that you just can't
get anywhere else. Because we're not going to screw around.

(02:34:45):
We're not going to tell you you're just so fine and
everything is just so great. We're going to deal with
the real issues. As Christ did, repent, came, God is
in hand, right.

Speaker 1 (02:34:53):
That's right, Well, that's good. So promise keepers dot org.
The first event is going to be December, the first
in case your church is not telling you about it,
but people can find the live stream there and uh
and then what is uh You've got events that are
scheduled throughout the next year. I guess as well, right.

Speaker 3 (02:35:10):
People, we have a lot of them. We can't announce
any of them yet because we have a whole bunch
that are almost solidified. And to be honest with you,
I've learned that I have to make sure that everything
is solid before right now, so unless we get.

Speaker 1 (02:35:22):
Canceled, yeah, I know. Well it's what we're seeing with
the libraries. You know, libraries have been taken over the
drag Queens Storytime hours and so you have I mean,
as you had I can't think of his name, the
actor who started uh uh yeah, yeah, Kirk Cameron. As
he started going around doing it, they started canceling them
left and right, and and then if they couldn't cancel it,

(02:35:43):
they they created disturbances there and everything. I mean, it
truly is amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:35:47):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:35:48):
The other people have beliefs that they hold very dear
and and they will fight against those. I mean, we're
even seeing now for the third time. This woman who
quietly goes to abortion clinic and praise silently, for the
third time she's been arrested. It's just amazing to see
that level of persecution all over the place. But as

(02:36:10):
you point out, it is everywhere we turn, men are
being denigrated, being mocked as Homer Simpsons, with nothing at
all to contribute, even to the extent they're replacing the
caveman with a cavewoman. It's kind of ridiculous. But tell
us a little bit about your books. Your first book
was Rise of the Servant King. What the Bible says
about Bee being a man? Tell us a little bit

(02:36:32):
about that. We'll get into the newer book after that,
but first about the Rise of the Servant Kings.

Speaker 3 (02:36:38):
Yeah, that one is a really no nonsense approach on
being a godly man. And it's full of LA cop
stories because I was an la policeman. As you said,
I've done a lot of things, and so there's some
stories in there that the publishers like, whoa, we don't
see these in Christian books. And I've had a lot
of real positive feedback. In fact, I've gotten hundreds of
letters from women who've read it and didn't bust because

(02:36:59):
it's really just scipleship book dressed up then being a man,
because you've got to learn how to be disciple of
Jesus Christ, to learn how to be a real man.
So that that one and the next one that came
out recently is during Faith in a Cowardly World, which
I love that titlean and I didn't come up with it.
The publisher did, Thomas Nelson. But it basically says that

(02:37:20):
again we talk about identity. People think that you said
the prayer, you're saved, and now you just have yours.
It's time, there's nothing left to do. Instead, actually, when
you read what Christ said over and over, in fact
his final words in Revelation twenty two, he says, behold,
I'm coming quickly in marble. Ward is with me to
give to each person according to what he has done Christians.

(02:37:40):
So the idea here is there will be a judgment
seat of Christ I Corinthians five to ten that will
all stand before Jesus. Christ doesn't care what we did
before we were saved. We were dead in our sins.
We're saved by grace through faith alone. However, after we
were saved, our lives do matter and we will be judged.
And Jesus says, behold of the person in person of
years doing good works. I will pull them up onto

(02:38:02):
my throne to sit it with me at my father's
right hand. And at the end of Matthew twenty four
he says that the sermont I come to find serving
me will be put in charge of many things. And
so the idea here is there's a reason to have
daring faith because it will matter for a entire attorney
will be rewarded those of who really walk with Christ
and those who didn't. And just to put a cherry

(02:38:23):
on that, you know, because the promise keepers. I get
to talk to all these famous pastors and be friends
and everything, and famous theologian who called me out and said, hey, man,
I got to tell you. I read your book. I
heard about it being good about good works for Christians,
and he goes, I sat down with a pen to
shreddit and I was going to go on my radio
show and tear you to pieces, and he goes. When
I got done with your book, I was completely convinced.

(02:38:45):
And now I can't unsee it. Every time I open
my Bible. It's good works for rewards, good works rewards,
He goes, how did I miss this all these years? Yeah,
that's what that book is about. And that's this challenge
of this tourist. Men, your lives matter greatly, and because
we think our lives don't matter is why we're dropping
the ball. Because David and I may talk about this,

(02:39:06):
but think about it. What they're doing to our children
here in Colorado. When you are six years old, you
go to school, they want to know what jener you are.
And I just had someone telling me their daughter went
to school for her first day of first grade, and
you know, are you a boy or a girl? I'm
a girl. Are you sure you're a girl? People want
to be a boy, trying to talk her into being
something other than she is. Why are we not so

(02:39:28):
outraged about what they're doing to our kids? Instead to
circle back, I see churches that are caught up in
bureaucracy and money and not having protesters and the man,
oh man, they're tearing at the core of who we
are as a people. We as the people of Christ,
ought to just have our hearts being ripped out and
in love doing everything we can because, as you said,

(02:39:50):
the other side actually believes this nonsense because they're deceived
by the evil one. Our ends are not flesh and blood,
but they're the powers and the authorities. Powers of darkness.
Need to be waking people up to the truth because
people know the truth when they hear it, and when
they really hear truth, they're going to have one reaction
or another. They're either going to repent or they're going
to hate you. That's what happens, because they're going to

(02:40:11):
be utterly in their deception.

Speaker 4 (02:40:13):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:40:14):
Second, with the Salians chapter two. In Romans chapter one,
some people are just completely abandoned to their evil and
they're going to hate you. Your promise, Jesus promises us
that they're going to hate us. But some people we
can rescue. And what a glorious day that is. That's
why we're here in this world. I just want to
wake up stopping so dank comfortable, stop looking for the
approval of the world, and start looking for the approval

(02:40:35):
of the one who matters, Jesus Christ. That's if you
have an audience at one. It's amazing how easy life
gets because you don't care what anybody else thinks. Right,
Susier and more joyful, that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:40:46):
Oh, it's such great advice. Yeah, you know, we look
at at things and it's so easy to fall off
one side or the other and get things unbalanced. And
so our response to a lot of people who think
that they can earn their way into heaven is to say,
you know, you you can't do that. There is in
any way that you can undo what has happened. Only
Christ can undo that. But then, as you point out,

(02:41:06):
if we don't look at the fact that He's saved
us two good works and to do good things, that's
the other. You know, we can get on one side
of the extreme or the other. You know, it can
be all about works or we can all be about
grace only. But it's the combination of those two things
that are so important to try to get those in
the proper understanding and to understand. You know, now that
we're at this point, you know what I think of

(02:41:27):
the everybody's everybody knows the parable of the talents and
we that's now because of the way that was translated
as a unit of silver. It was amount of money
that was given to these people, and that Jesus is parable.
Now the people have said, well, you know, you have
certain talents, things that God has given you, what are

(02:41:48):
you going to do with that? And when we look
at that parable that the people who don't do anything
with what they were given, they get strong, strong condemnation
from Jesus. Right, So that's the key thing. That's where
we are right now. You know, look at all of
the things that God has given us. He has given
us not only forgiveness, but he's given us abilities. What

(02:42:09):
are we going to do with that? Where we are?
That's the key thing that Christians need to be asking
themselves right now. And we have just stopped short of
that in so many churches that got the part of
the gospel right, but they also just stop at that
point and don't go any further.

Speaker 3 (02:42:26):
Yeah, that parable, I go into it in detail, but
you'll notice the first two servants are given certain amount
of money and they go invest it and they take weeks.
But last servant doesn't do anything with it. And why not?
He doesn't want to take any risk? And what does
Jesus say? Throw him into the outer darkness? Okay, so
number one, there's this contempt for him because he had

(02:42:50):
he was a coward. And number two, what's the outer darkness?
Because these guys are all Christians, they are in heaven.
So did he lose his salvation? No, Actually, it's pretty
clear as you go over over and over again, what
he's thrown out of is the wedding feast of the Lamb.
That the wedding feast will be the great culmination of
all of history and all the saints are going to
be there. And this is why he is weeping and

(02:43:10):
gnashing of teeth. People think that's hell or pain.

Speaker 4 (02:43:12):
It isn't.

Speaker 3 (02:43:13):
In the Near East, weeping means sorrow and gnashing of
teeth means anger. And he's angry at his wasted life,
and he's looking at the wedding feasts of the Lamb
and he's not allowed in because he wasted what God
gave him. And I want to wake people up and say,
don't be that person. Be the first two servants who
went and served the Lord as what they had, and
that takes courage. And the other thing on one that

(02:43:34):
wake people up to is we have swallowed another lie
of intellectualism, where we think if these guys who sit
in their library is surrounded by books and criticize other pastors,
somehow this is the varsity level of Christ. Just look
at the Bible, everything is about courage. Everybody in the Bible,
everything is confrontation. It's screwed up people who are giving

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all for Christ. They stood up for something ibershept of
love and is a great hall of faith. These are
such screwed up people, but they just kept going, We're
all wanting to screw up. But are we going to
be courageous? Are we going to do everything it takes
to raise godly kids? And say, little Sam or little Jane,

(02:44:16):
what are you learning in school? Let's look and see
how that. What does scripture say about that? And getting
a little more about our school board, what's going on?
Just the gal at Starbucks with the tattoos and the
nose ring with a darrow look on her face and saying, hey,
are you okay? Can I pray for you? Is there
one thing I can pray for you today? I'm telling you,
if you start doing that, I do it all the time.
It's amazing how much of my day gets quote wasted

(02:44:38):
because I'll spend two hours with some woman crying on
my shoulder with mascarroll over my shirt about her life
and try to walk her through Christ. Try to find
your a good church. Everywhere we go it's a promise
keeper's thing that we always say, if there's one thing
I could pray for you, what would it be. It's
amazing what that unlocks with people, But you better be ready.

Speaker 1 (02:44:58):
And it's harder to get that with man. You know,
a woman will tell you you know what, it may
tell you that, but it's going to be much harder
to get that from a man, especially if you don't
have a relationship already. Even with a relationship, it's harder
to get men to talk. And that's why something like
promise keepers is really important, because we're just not wired
that way to you know, to open up and to

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talk to other people.

Speaker 4 (02:45:21):
Yeah. Well, of course, here.

Speaker 3 (02:45:23):
For promise keepers is we've got to teach men that
being a man comes from your heart, your character, not
from your performance. Say that again, it comes from your heart,
your character, not your performance. We say, what is a
man like? Oh, a man is somebody who goes hunting
and who can grow a great beard like David Knight,
or as tall and has a deep voice, or as
a cop or a Navy seal, or you know, a

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man as someone with it. It comes from inside. It's
your integrity, it's who you are. It says, I will
defend my family no matter what. I will provide for
my family, no matter what. If I get laid off
for my job and times are tough, if I got
to work at McDonalds, I'll work a McDonald's whatever it
takes to stand by my kids and my wife, to
guard my thoughts in my mind so that all of

(02:46:05):
my sexual energy goes towards my wife and nobody else. Now,
these are things to talk we talk about come from
the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. You cannot do
this through self effort. You must do it. You're dying
to self daily. It is you die to self daily.
Matthew five through seven is the whole core of being
a disciple. Jesus there is not giving the recipe for salvation.
He's giving the recipe for becoming a disciple. As we

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die to self daily, we can really become men. It
comes from the inside, and suddenly we find out that
I don't care if you're four foot ten and eighty
pounds have a heart of a line and a hard
integrity than honesty and courage, because you become a man
of God. But it's another thing we have to wipe

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out is this idea that masculinity is performance driven. It's not.
It's heart and integrity driven.

Speaker 1 (02:46:53):
Yes, I agree, I can agree with that more. Yeah,
I've said many times that you know, if you're looking
to Christ, that is a a leverage point, a full
crumb that's outside of this world, and that gives you
a tremendous amount of leverage to change this world. And
it's because it's coming from that. It's coming your focus
is not even on changing the world. That's going to

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be an outcome that comes from your focus on Christ,
having an eternal focus with that. But it is very important,
as you point out, it's so difficult for men to
see this. You know, women just naturally fall into this.
They fall more into their relationships. They like school better
than we like school. They like church better than church,
you know, and it's it's just a natural thing for them.

(02:47:36):
And and so men need to have a little bit
more of an encouragement of counseling and to understand the
importance of the one another, you know, helping one another. Uh,
that's the key thing. And I think it's it's very
important for promise keep. So I'm glad that you're you're
reviving this that it is now coming back. It really

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isn't needed at this point in time.

Speaker 3 (02:47:59):
Here's why men have always done relationships by doing things together,
because if you look at the history of the world,
you had to do things together to survive. So somebody
was a hunter and somebody as a farmer and a
rancher and a blacksmith and all that stuff. So you
came together communities and we had to share skills, and
then we learned who we could trust and who we
couldn't with some men in stressful situations, and if you

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were not a good guy, you were ostracized, and if
you're a good guy, you're elevated in the town. Women
make relationships by communicating, and so now what we see is,
because of all our technological advancements, the world today is
all about communicating. It's all about Facebook and social media.
None of that is mask and effect. It's demasculating. And
churches have going into that too. So you come to

(02:48:43):
church and you have a chat, and maybe you get
together and have tea. If you're really godly, you get
together and have a Bible study at six point thirty
in the morning on a Friday. But there's nothing in
that having to do with doing things together as men.
And that's where pastors have to be intentional. Get men together,
because I can have lunch with you, Dave, for twenty
years once a week, but we won't really be friends.

(02:49:04):
I'll tell you what. We go hunting for three days
in the backwoods and you shoot an elk that's three
hundred yards away across another mountain rain. We got to
call it, claim that thing and carry it out. Now
we're friends because now I've seen what you really like
under stress, and you've seen that I'm like understressed. You've
seen how much we hold each other's work. That's what
creates relationships amongst men, and so we have to be

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intentional about that now because we don't need each other anymore.
I mean, I can order Uber eats and I can
get stuff to live from the grocery store, and men
are being more and more isolated. So it's fine. There's
nothing wrong with women communicating actually and men make relationships
by doing. But then again, we have to be intentional.
So what promise keepers. What we're trying to do is
tell men, don't get together for Bible study, get together

(02:49:47):
with guys who are golfers and golf or hunters and
hunt or fishermen or skiers, whatever it is that you do,
and then Bible study will come from that. But if
you try to get together and sit around, you'll just
try to do a religious thing and it won't last.
But get together and actually do something that matters and
have scripture and prayer out of that, and boy, you

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will become you'll have true friends.

Speaker 1 (02:50:11):
That's a great idea. Yeah, absolutely, I think that's right.
I'll see on your board. One name that sticks out
to me is Randy Alcorn, and of course he I
know Randy from his works. He's done a lot of
fiction novels he did that are very well written. He

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was a pastor who was at an abortion clinic and
they got a judgment against him, and for over twenty
years he didn't take a penny. He took like the minimum,
which is like eight thousand dollars a year, so he
didn't give any of the money to a planned parenthood
and just donated all the money from these novels, which
were very successful. But he's also written about heaven and

(02:50:54):
he's very much focused on what we're not going to
be just doing nothing floating around on clouds. Contemplating our navel.
It would be an opportunity for us to work and
to create and get involved in a lot of things.
I like his analysis in his way of thinking. But
he also writes a lot about money, because Jesus talked
a lot about money, and that's one of the key

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things with men as well. Talk a little bit about
what you tell people about money with promise keepers, because
that's such a powerful drag on our lives, just like
sex and many other things, but money has so much
of a grip on our lives. Tell people what you
tell men about money.

Speaker 3 (02:51:34):
You think about the things in life that are the
greatest blessing, they also could be the biggest curses. Right sex, Right,
sex is an incredible thing. It proprates a species and
amongst marriage, I wrote in Rise of Sermon Kings that
sex is the only thing differentiates a marriage many of
the relationship. Because anybody can sure a bank account, raised
kids together, that makes to you one flush. It's extremely

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precious in this way. Sex as a marriage is such
a great sin. Fire. Think about fire, what a great
blessing you need to survive? Think about how destructive water
You need water, But boy, water can do destruction. Money
is freedom if you have a healthy attitude about it.
Is the freedom to do what you'd like to do whatever.
I have some money, and I'm going to spend it

(02:52:18):
on something major. I think, Okay, I have I'm going
to go buy a new truck. I have fifty thousand
dollars in my hand. I can do anything with us
fifty thousand dollars I want to, from getting clean water
in Africa to fighting AIDS to buying a big diamond ring. Like,
whatever I want to do is this truck. What I
choose to give that to And it's a healthy attitude

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when you actually think that way right. Debt is bondage
that will destroy you. Especially today, we have a lot
of people are going to have been massive mass or
problems because interest rates have taken off. If you hit
a bunch of credit card debt or you hit floating
interest rates. With what's going on, people are going to
get crushed. I know, I'm not trying to be who's
the money idea in Nashville. I forget his name now.

Speaker 8 (02:53:02):
I try to tell him.

Speaker 1 (02:53:04):
He's always saying to get out of debt. His name
is the scaping as well.

Speaker 3 (02:53:08):
Yeah, well, wife, loves him. If you're a debt, get
out of debt. The thing about money, I actually had
somebody come to me as an NFL football player and
he said, look, I have this love of money I
can't get over. And I said, you don't have a
love of money. What do you mean? I go, money
is a symptoms. It's not the disease. If you love money,
there's something else. Why do you want money so bad?

(02:53:31):
Is it because you lack of faith? And you think
that I never have enough money? You know, I run
a huge foundation. And we had one woman who we
went to to give some of her money away and
she said, oh no, I can't. I only have one
hundred million dollars. I have to make sure I can
pay the gas she had inherited from her husband. She
didn't know what the value of a dollar was. So

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money is great freedom if you understand what to do
with it. And it's it's a terrible curse because it
shows who you are. So if you're a greedy person,
why are you greedy? It's pride? So if I have
a million dollars, what do I do with the million dollars?
I want to go and buy a Ferrari well, maybe
I really like really fast cars, but probably I want

(02:54:14):
the Ferrari. Serverybody will look at me and think how
cool I am. Right, I'm not going to judge that person.
But what is it I want to do with money?
So that's the thing we tell men, cash freedom, debt, bondage.
If you're trying to accumulate lots of money, why is that?
Because there's people dying, there's people who need stuff, and

(02:54:36):
I think it's okay to be comfortable. You know, there's
a conversation you can have. I mean, I'll tell you
that I used to run a huge company. As you
think you also from a resume, I used to have
thousands of employees and made lots of money and created
lots of jobs. And I don't make take anybodey now.
I think you know that from promise keepers that I
get paid zero. But there's nothing wrong with having money,
because we can all judge, well, what is a lot
of money. Well, one day I was in a meeting

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with a couple of major, major pastors and I had
to leave, and and this guy said, well, you got
to leave, can't we have to leave? I go. I
got a plane to catch he' said yeah, plane to
catch and the other pastial academic is yeah, Ken flies
commercial and they both put laughing. You even have a
private jet? I said no, and they're kind of mocking me,

(02:55:19):
and I go, you know, there's something kind of telling
about the fact that the two guys who live off
the tithe money of others have private jets and the
guy who's created tens of thousands of jobs flies on Southwest.
I'll leave that, you know. And we both laughed. But boy,
I know, hey, that's between them and the Lord. I'm
not going to condemn them for it, but I'm going
to say for me, Southwest Airlines is just plain adequate,

(02:55:43):
and flying somewhere for four hundred dollars is a lot
different than flying there for fifteen thousand on a private plane.
But everyone has to be their own judge and be
convicted in their own heart by the Holy spirit.

Speaker 1 (02:55:54):
Yeah. Oh yeah, that's Dave Ramsey. Eventually, you know, Dave something. Yeah,
eventually it gets there, just it's a little bit slower now,
but it's got all these extra paths that's got to
go around blockages, I guess to get there. But yeah,
the older we get. Dave Ramsey was always about staying
out of debt. And that's that's really good advice. You know,

(02:56:16):
we want we don't want to make. But again, you know,
with anything that we do, we can always become obsessive
about it, you know, and I've seen people have gotten
obsessive about, you know, getting out of debt and everything.
But it is, as you point out, it as a bondage,
and it's a very dangerous time to be in that
kind of debt. Especially. It's just to me, it's just
criminal what they're doing with the credit card rates now

(02:56:36):
that they can get away. I know, I know that's
that's like the average. It's just astounding to me that
we allow that to happen. But it's just another one
of these things where everybody just like just passively accepted
instead of trying to change it. Tell us what the
seven promises of the promise keepers are?

Speaker 3 (02:56:56):
All right, I'm on vacation and I'm totally I cannot
walk through right now.

Speaker 1 (02:57:02):
Well, first one, I've got them in front of me,
so I've got a cheat sheet here, thank you, Honor God.
Honor God, tell us a little bit about that and
we'll do the next one.

Speaker 3 (02:57:10):
You know, Honor God is the whole point of our lives, right,
and how do we point that out? And one of
the things I point out all the time is honor God.
We were just talking about how you can change things
to a negative that are a positive. One of those
things is honoring the name of the Lord and not
using the Lord's name in vain, right. And a lot
of people think that means saying God for something. Oh God,

(02:57:33):
I can't believe you just did that. That's certainly not
a healthy thing. But that is not using the Lord's
name in vain. Using the Lord's name in vain is
actually something much more nefarious and something done all the
time on the church. And let me tell you right now,
I cannot tell you. I speak all over the country.
How many people walk up to me and say, the
Lord told me that you right? How many times I said,

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I have a word from the Lord. I don't know
this person, I have a word from Lord. My first
response is what verse is it?

Speaker 1 (02:58:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:58:03):
But people manipulate and use others with this business of
putting things in the name of the Lord that are
not of the name of the Lord. And I'll keep
I could keep going. People who come up with doctrinal
points and say, well, God said this, Well, you shouldn't
drink alcohol because when Jesus drank alcohol, it was really
just grape juice. Well maybe it was and maybe it wasn't,

(02:58:23):
but you don't know that, right. So using the Lord's
name in vain is attributing things to God that God
didn't say, right. And I use example and rise of
the sermonkings on this. We talk about how somebody said
they gossiped about another person or slandered that person, and
they said, even Ken Harrison agrees with me. Well, in fact,

(02:58:43):
I didn't agree with him. His buddy called me up
and said, hey, he said you agree with said, actually
I don't. But he was using Ken Harrison's name in
vain in that right, trying to give himself authority by
attaching it to me. That's what we do to Lord
all the time. So honoring God. There's a lot I
could go into that, but rather than to preach a
whole sim, I just want to pull up one thing out.

(02:59:04):
Don't concentrate on a little easy, obvious good as a
little euphemism. Make sure that you look at your heart
and you're not using and attributing things to God that
are not God that really you your opinion, and maybe your
opinion's true, but it's better to say in my opinion
or the way I read this passage or my life
experience has told me. Right, but do not go around

(02:59:27):
saying thus as the Lord. If he didn't say it,
that makes you a false prophet.

Speaker 1 (02:59:30):
Yeah, yeah, kind of a name dropping that's out there,
you know, as you and you know I also look
at it. I heard somebody say, once we call ourselves Christians,
you know that really comes from you know, kind of
a combined thing of Christ's men, right, and so yeah,
and Jesus said, well, do you call me Lord Lord
if you don't do what I say? And so we can.

(02:59:51):
We can by calling ourselves Christians when we don't really
care what Jesus says. That's a way I think of
taking God's name in vain. But you know, there are
people who deliberately do it. And I find that that
I've told the story to my audience before. Karen and
I years ago, probably about twenty five years ago, we
went to see Penn and Teller perform, and so yeah,

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and they're funny. But he at the end of his
kind of towards the end of the thing. After they've
been there for a while, he starts talking about language,
and he says, you know, I really hate it when
people use the F word. They use it for every
form of speech. They use it as a you know,
an adverb and an adjective and all the rest of
this stuff. And he goes, it just makes you look
stupid because you don't have any vocabulary. So I refuse
to use that. He says, I deliberately take the name

(03:00:38):
of Jesus in vain because I want a blaspheme. You know,
I don't believe any of that stuff, and so I did,
and so, you know, my wife and I got up
and walked out. But it was really, you know, very
deliberate from him. A lot of people don't realize that
they're doing that. But I think, as you point out
that this, this name dropping or to say that you know,
I'm a christ follower when you're really not, that really

(03:00:58):
is a very serious thing that we need to look
at ourselves and uh and say, well, am I guilty
of doing that. In a different way, you mentioned your
second promise is a brotherhood. Tell us a little bit
about that.

Speaker 3 (03:01:11):
You know, brotherhood is one of the things that we
hear so often now is about we shouldn't let men
get together on supervised by women? Right. I didn't bring
up a different church. There's another megachurch that we've been
having problems with right now that a bunch of major
leaders have come together, and so we want you to
go to this church. And the pastor of that church

(03:01:32):
actually called me and said, I have a question for you. Yeah,
why aren't women a lot of promise keepers events because
it's a men's ministry? Because well, I just don't think
that's right. Well, I said, let me ask you. Do
you have women's gatherings? Women say, well, yeah, all the time.
So what why do you have women's gatherings all the
time and not men's gatherings? Why is it that you're
only critical at men's gatherries. Well that's a good point.

(03:01:54):
Well let me ask you this then, why don't you
have any women pastors preaching to the men? So let
me ask you a point. Why are you so obsessed
on that? Yeah, if we're men talking to men like men,
why would I want a woman there? Because when you
put one woman in it changes how men behave. Men
will be authentic. You know, you go to promise keepers
event you'll see guys falling on our faces and tears.

(03:02:15):
I mean of the stories that come out of these
events of change lives. But there's a when there's a
woman there and men feel like they need to change.
It's whether it's fair or not. I'm not saying it's fair.
I'm just saying what it is. It was amazing to
me that in our culture another thing is somehow men
are not allowed to get together. There must be something

(03:02:35):
going on in there that we don't know about. It's
an amazing things. So you know, again, I'm taking these
things on in a small way, but brotherhood is very important.
Men need to get together with other men and just
hang out, as we talked about a little bit, and
sometimes women not totally understand that. But I think when
you put it the other way. One of the things
that I teach people. I was just asked this the

(03:02:57):
other day. Gim married for thirty three years? What's the
secret to having a great marriage? And I said, well,
I get thirty seconds answer that question. I will just
say empathy. Empathy is the number one thing. Put myself
on the shoes of my wife and say how does
what I just say sound to her right, well, anybody else,
but in sick of marriage. This thing here too for

(03:03:20):
women to think, well, when women get together and have
tea whatever, it's all no big deal. Same thing with men,
and women need to stop and just go. You know what,
for my husband to get together with godly men and
go golfing and go fishing. It goes from important things
because this is how men sharpen each other is by
doing things together. So your brotherhood is incredibly important. And
again the lies of Satan in the world are trying

(03:03:42):
to keep men from getting together because if they do,
they just might plot how to make the world a
better place.

Speaker 1 (03:03:49):
That's been great. I love that integrity. Another promise integrity.

Speaker 3 (03:03:55):
That is at the heart of bandw man. What will
I compromise? We talked about what conviction of what to
strong preference? Will I give all for the truth? You
know that A Revelation twenty one eight has a list
of eight sins. It says if you are typified by
these sins, you are not saved. It literally says, here's
eight sins. If you're an adulterer, a murderer, a sorcerer,

(03:04:18):
an idolator. All liars will for sure have their share
in the lake of fire, that bunch forever and never
I left the first one out. You know what the
first one on that list is, it's pretty shock cowards.

Speaker 10 (03:04:33):
Cowards.

Speaker 3 (03:04:35):
Cowards is the thing that God says, I'm going to
start this list off of people that shows for sure
you're not a Christian coward. That doesn't mean if you've
committed a coward leapt because I think we all have.

Speaker 1 (03:04:43):
Yeah, if it defines you, just like lying, you know,
if it defines.

Speaker 3 (03:04:48):
Yeah, so integrity because so much of a lack of
integrity comes from cowardice.

Speaker 4 (03:04:53):
Right.

Speaker 3 (03:04:53):
I even say it's funny because the list starts with cowards,
it ends with all liars. Well, liars and cowards are
kind of the same thing, because are cowards right, They're
trying to create something that's not really true about themselves
because they're afraid of something somewhere. Integrity is I will
not depart from the truth, no matter what the cost,
and that takes great courage. Courage is again one of

(03:05:16):
those things. All these are the things we can define
that they mean something. I know what it means to
be pious, and I know what it means to be generous,
But courage is sort of this all encompassing thing. What
is courage? And courage is integrity. It says, I will
not bend no matter of the cost. What's that going
to what's that going to take? And I define courage

(03:05:38):
and during faith in the coward the world is refusing
to compromise no matter what the cost is. Whereas cowardice
is not doing the right thing because of fear for something,
because we're all afraid. Well, and the guy that the
charges of the machine gun nests in the middle of
a war, he's terrified. Yeah, he just does needs to

(03:06:00):
get done. That's right.

Speaker 1 (03:06:01):
Yeah, that's a great definition. Uh, family, talk about that?
What what? What is the promise of family?

Speaker 3 (03:06:09):
Melanchi chapter three? People like Malachi? What is that? Malika
is one of my favorite cha books in the Bible.
Everybody listening, here's a chance to read Malachi. It's the
last book of the Old Testament and it's absolutely fascinating.
I could I preach hold messages on Malachi. But in
Malachi chapter three, God says, I hate divorce because because

(03:06:32):
why because I'm jealous for godly offspring. Family is the
most important thing you can do as a man of
God is to raise godly kids to pass it on
to the next generation. There's lots of things that we
have to do. I'm not minimizing other things, but I
am saying that. Being Coach McCartney who started Promise Keepers,

(03:06:52):
used to say, most loving thing that a man can
do for his kids is love their mother. M that's
a that's a that's a hard statement, especially if you're
rist or you had about problems. But literally, most loving
thing you can do for your kids is to love
their mother. Godly man needs to be dedicated to a
standing because this is the building block of the church
of community. If you have a strong family with godly kids,

(03:07:14):
with a happy wife because you know she's cherished by
her husband. Another free advice thing I'll give on family
and marriage because I get asked about this a lot.
The number one complaint you get from man is what
in marriage? A lack of intimacy. Then there's money, and
there's in loss. Those are the three big things, but
the lack of intimacy is number one by far. I

(03:07:34):
tell guys absent a whole long thing to tell them
usually a lack of them intimacy is because your wife
doesn't feel cherished. If your wife feels cherished. That means
she feels safe protected. She is the apple of your eye,
I'm telling you, has a massive effect on the intimacy
level of in the marriage.

Speaker 1 (03:07:54):
That's fantastic. Yeah, that's fantastic. Great advice of serving, serving, It's.

Speaker 3 (03:08:00):
An amazing thing. The godliest person is always the one
who serves the most, not the one who rules the most.
And we really have power wrong when we look at
Jesus Christ right, so we have the ultimate power. Jesus said,
I can call down angels and wipe all these people
out right now if I want to. But instead he
lowered his head in humility, and he says, that's the

(03:08:22):
person I'm going to elevate in the last days. See
Ephesians chapter three. Says that it's a fascinating verse that
I've read a million times. A friend of mine, Tim Dunn,
points out to me one day, and I'm like, how
could I not have seen that? It says that God
is teaching the full extent of his wisdom to the
powers and the authorities in the heavens from the church,
which is you and me. David. Now, what world do

(03:08:45):
you or I have to teach the angels that are
run for millions of years. What's the one thing, what's
the one experience that we have that they don't have.
We live life by faith. This is our one chance,
this lifetime that we have. Says that the angels look
on us with fascination. They can't understand. They see things
as they really are. We see things as through to

(03:09:06):
glass darkly, as says I think it's in James. So
this is the one chance we have to make a
massive impact for the rest of our lives. What will
we do today? And this is why it's so important
to not be tied into what does the world think,
what's the world's opinion. Truth is eternal. It's not dictated
on what the United States of America's culture happens to think.

(03:09:28):
It's dictated on what does God say at the beginning
of the foundations of time? This is truth. I have
a very strong conviction I'm gravity and therefore you won't
find me walking up to a cliff and jumping off, right.
Do I have that same conviction on the trust on
the promises that the Lord Jesus made in the Bible? Frankly, no,

(03:09:48):
I don't. I have a lot of faith compared to
most people but Jesus isn't comparing me to most people.
It's comparing me to the truth of Heaven. How far
am I in that conviction? Could you? Or I be
like saying Rome being barbecued and singing songs and go,
and I can't wait to get to have it because man,
is my worldward gonna be great? Yeah, not that I
don't know that I ever will be, but I sure
have striving towards that.

Speaker 1 (03:10:10):
So, oh, that's that's fantastic. Number six. Unity.

Speaker 3 (03:10:16):
Unity Really a lot of that goes around racial reconciliation,
which is something that Promise Keepers was really big in
the nineties. Promise Keepers actually the kind of the originator
of diversity and all this bringing different races together. I
do think, like we talked about earlier, it's one of
those things that can become a god. It can take
over where you're at. You're saying, I'm just going to
love a black man today because I'm white, and I'm

(03:10:37):
gonna Well, that's not going to do anybody any good?
Is it coming from a heart of Christ? So unity
is about unity in every aspect. If you look at
our board, you started to mention our board of directors
and Randy ell Churts on our pastors board. And I've
known Randy for jez forty five years.

Speaker 1 (03:10:57):
I've tried to get him on. When I reached out
to last time, his wife was dying of cancer, and
I certainly understood doing interviews at that point in time.

Speaker 3 (03:11:05):
Yeah, he's a he's a good, good guy. But if
you look at our board, you know we have Senator
in Lanthor who's a Baptist pastor before he became a
US senator. And we have uh, Sam rodriguezho's a Pentecostal pastor,
and we have you know, Pentecostals, Baptists everybody around. We're
unified around the cause of what we've been talking about,
not around doctrinal differences. And we have great doctoral differences.

(03:11:27):
I mean, Sam is an eye. We've we've had some
two hour rates, great debates on different doctrinal issues, and
we love each other and it never never is their anger.
So unity isn't around racial unity about understanding, you know,
other people have different experiences. It's also understanding theological differences.
It's okay to disagree. It's okay if you've been speaking

(03:11:47):
in tongues and I don't. It's Okay, if you're prep
you know, pre triven, I'm post millennial and all those things.
These are things just to to sharpen each other and
have good conversations on. I just had a pastor of
a small church but very intellectual. He gave a great
podcast on post millennial, which is something I really didn't understand.
Called him up, explain that to me. You know, here's

(03:12:09):
how I see it. And he said, well, here's how
I see it. He'd studied, and we had a great
conversation for an hour and a half around those issues.
We need to come to each other in humility but
in unity and say, well you see this differently than
I do. I really want to learn from you. And
I did have that majorly controversial issue in the church
and I went to a huge pastor and I sat

(03:12:29):
down and I said, look, you believe this and I
don't believe that, and I don't understand way you believe it.
He goes, you really want to have this debate. I go,
I don't want to have a debate. I want to
learn from you. I want to think that way because
maybe I'm missing something. And after two hours I realized
I wasn't missing anything, but this is, this is the
spirit with which we need to come together as Christians.

Speaker 1 (03:12:49):
Sure, sure, yeah you're you're not compromising on truth, but
you want to understand where they're coming from and have
that discussion. Promise seven the final one here, obedience.

Speaker 3 (03:13:02):
Well, wasn't that That's part of the foundation of everything I've
just said, isn't it. I mean, Jesus said, if you
love me, keep my commandments. I was. I was in
a major meeting of megachurch pastors, like forty of them,
and we're all sitting around on something and I was invited.
I don't know why I was invited, but I'm sitting
there and somebody was reading from Luke and one of

(03:13:24):
the pastors and I realized afterwards most of these really
really liberal megachurch pastors. And he said, I don't believe
in that Jesus, so that Jesus was mean, and my
Jesus was never mean. So I said to him, well,
it says in Luke, you know, Jesus said I came
to set the world on fire, and how I wish
it was already alight. That sounds pretty mean to me.
Jesus said, well, I choose not to believe in that Jesus.

(03:13:47):
And I said, well, if you don't believe in that Jesus,
then you don't believe in Jesus. You believe in it,
I don't call Jesus. And I think that's where we're
at today is a lot of people don't actually know Jesus.
They don't know who he is. They have invented a
god in their own heads, and they've slapped the name
of Jesus on them. Because if you read the Gospels,
you will see Jesus was extremely confrontational around truth, never

(03:14:08):
around frivolous issues. God said to Jeremiah, if you speak
noble words and not worthless ones, you will be my spokesman.
So it is as a Christian we will be in
confrontation all the time. It's upon us, though, to speak
noble words and not worthless ones. It's not about whether
we're getting in screaming arguments about who belongs in the
National Championship, Is it Oregon or is at Alabama or Optimus,

(03:14:32):
or whether there should be a border wall. But we
do be very diligent about all the issues we've talked
about today. If you love me, keep my commandments. That
defines a man or woman of God.

Speaker 1 (03:14:43):
Well, I tell you there's a lot of wisdom in
what you've had to say here, and I'm sure there's
a lot of wisdom in your book, A Daring Faith
and a Cowardly World, and I will be picking that up.
And it's available at Amazon and everywhere the books are sold.
I'm assuming that it's a promise dot org and you've
got a website as well. Tell us the address of

(03:15:04):
your website. I had it here but I lost it.
Where can people find you?

Speaker 3 (03:15:08):
In particular kenar Harrison dot com?

Speaker 1 (03:15:11):
Ken R. Harrison?

Speaker 3 (03:15:13):
Okay, Yeah, there's a whole lot of Ken Harrison's out there.
One of them is a gay porn writer. So don't
go go.

Speaker 1 (03:15:19):
Okay, so remember r R that's the one you're on.
I go too. And someone who's had you've had so
much experience as a as a CEO of international company,
a marine, a police officer. But I think that that
probably I don't. You were definitely suited for what you're
doing right now with Promise Keepers. Thank you so much

(03:15:40):
for what you're doing. Appreciate it, thank you, thank you for.

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