October 9, 2025 • 49 mins
Author James Bradley (Flags of Our Fathers) joins to discuss Precious Freedom, his Vietnam novel built on ten years of firsthand research. He exposes the lies that turned one nation into two, the CIA’s role in manufacturing war, and the media’s coverup of torture and corruption.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
In joining us now is James Bradley, who is the
author of Flags of Our Fathers, a great book and
a great film that was done by Clint Eastwood. And
he's now got another book, not about that was about
Ewagimo course and World War Two. This one is a
nonfiction book and it is about Vietnam. It's called Precious Freedom.
(00:28):
And some of the views that are here, one person,
Norman Solomon, said, for more than sixty years, Americans have
looked at Vietnam through the wrong end of a telescope.
I think that's a great way of putting it. He said.
Precious Freedom turns it around and brings people into sharp focus,
from Vietnamese people who lived there and died to the
(00:50):
Pentagon's gun gun sights, and so I think it's very
important story. And he's spent a lot of time working
on this story, and this is a story that for
most of us, Vietnam is a very very important milestone
in our life. I think it shaped as me, shaped
my view of government and war in many different ways.
(01:11):
And I didn't even go, I mean, I can only
imagine the people that were thereby I did know people
that went that were slightly older than I was. I
had two older sisters and they knew a lot of
people who had been involved in going to Vietnam and
that experience that happened. And so this is a story
that is told with characters from both sides, Americans as
well as Vietnamese. Thank you for joining us, James, good
(01:34):
to be here. Thank you. Now you spent a decade
in Vietnam researching this. Tell us a little bit about
that and what Vietnam is like and what that experience
is like.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, I went, you know, I had written four books
up to that point, so I thought, you know, I
wrote all about the Pacific War. So I think my
brother enlisted in the Marines in nineteen sixty seven. So
I was watching Walter Cronkite every night studying the Vietnam War,
and I thought, you know, I'll write a book about Vietnam.
(02:08):
I'll just spend three years here. But it took me
over ten years because I had to unravel all the
propaganda Bologney told to us by Walter Cronkite into Ken Burns.
Right now, it's just you know, last night you talked
about a little thing that a few folks that fooled
(02:31):
America about COVID about the vaccine. You know, I mean
Trump was a Russian spy and America, the American government
did it the same with us with Lee Harvey Oswald
and the Vietnam War.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yes, absolutely right, you know it is. And when we
look at Vietnam, I keep going back to one of
the I haven't read your book yet, but you know,
when you go back and you look at the fog
of war that was done by so I don't know
if you ever saw that or not. His documentarium five times. Yeah, Yeah,
that's a good documentary. And he just has this knack
(03:08):
of getting people to confess things that you normally you
would not expect they confess to. So he spent a
lot of time talking to Robert McNamara, who was running
this whole mess. And macnamara said, he went back to
Vietnam and they banged the guy who was his counterpart
at the time set up and said, what is the
matter with you? Don't you know anything about history? For
(03:29):
a thousand years we oppose the Chinese, and you're trying
to tell everybody that we're Chinese puppets and it's a
Domino theory and all the rest of this stuff, and
McNamara said, yeah, you know, he was right. What is
Vietnam like today? I mean, I've seen still some border
conflicts between them and China, and there's a lot of
competition there, but they've become highly industrialized, is that right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah. China is the forever enemy of Vietnam, you know,
more than a thousand years of fighting each other, and
that's how the Vietnamese learned these techniques to repel the invader.
You know, Vietnam right now, if you include reserves, has
the largest army in the world. This shocks people. It's
(04:15):
bigger than India, China, America, Russia. Wow, they are watching
their borders. They're not invading anybody. Yeah, and you know
they're protecting their borders. Vietnam's for the Vietnamese and they
are growing by eight percent a year. Vietnam is so
successful right now, and it would have been successful a
(04:37):
long time ago if the French and the Americans hadn't
decided to vombit for eighty years.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing to think that they could get
it that wrong. You know that they think they portray
Vietnam as a China puppet when actually you know, they were,
they were always opposed to them and opposition there. Now
did this as a as a fiction book? You have
(05:03):
done nonfiction before. We talked about Ewajima and the Marines
that were there in Flags of Our Father. Why did
you go to a nonfiction approach?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You know, fiction is sorry. The book is really history
as fiction. Everything in the book is true. But whereas
Iwo Jima, you know, all the characters were concentrated on
a little tiny spit of land. I had stories from
all over Vietnam that I couldn't connect in a storyline,
(05:35):
so I just did it. I fictionalized it. But you know,
so maybe I took a character that I have fighting
somewhere where they didn't. But everything is from interviews I
did over ten years of living in Vietnam, interviewing the people,
and David, You'll be shocked. I'm the first American author
(05:56):
to go to Vietnam and say, how did you win?
I caddied for Vince Lombardi when I was a kid.
I'm a little older than you. Bart Starr lived four
doors down up at bass Lake from the Bradleys. And
for anybody who doesn't know who Vince Lombardi is, when
you win the NFL Trophy, I mean the Super Bowl Trophy.
(06:20):
This year, you will win the Vince Lombardi Trophy. So
Vince studied when he lost a game, if they won
or lost. He you know, we admitted it, and we
studied how we lost, and we figured out how the
winners won. And I'm the first author to go to
Vietnam and say, you guys obviously won, how did you
(06:43):
do it? And the answers are this book precious freedom?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yes? Yes, there's actually a comment that you have from
Oliver Stone, who's had James Bradley journeyed to Iwajima and
returned the flags of our fathers now of interest to
Vietnam and brings the precious freedom, brings us precious free
him where he reveals that if we had known what
happened in the nineteen sixties in Vietnam, American mothers would
(07:06):
have never sent their children to I rockk and Afghanistan.
The truth is the best vaccination against great lies. I
think that's very important. And so by going with the
fictional thing, you can cover a lot of different facets
that are still very realistic at the same time, and
so tell us a little bit about some of the
characters out of there. You got both American and Vietnamese
(07:28):
characters in your book, right.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yes, it's basically Chip in May. Chip is a US Marine,
and you know Pete Hegseth got it wrong. They were
in pretty good shape in the Vietnam era. You know
our marines. It wasn't the fatness, it was the fat
heads in the Pentagon.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Chip goes into May's front yard. May is fifteen years old.
Look at this little chick. She's fifteen years old, never
thought about war. Chip shoots her father in the head.
May sees this, and at fifteen, she says, I'm going
to kill every American I ever see. And conveniently, the
(08:15):
Americans came in in helmets and uniforms, and you know,
you could tell what an American was. So this May
went out and sniper to death five Marines. Those are
the kills she got medals for. And what is untold
about the Vietnam War is the role of women. Here's
(08:37):
a photo this girl with the machine gun. Can you
see it?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, she killed one hundred and seventy four Americans. Wow,
look at she's twenty two years old. Wow, the number
one Marine sniper killed ninety four. We write books about them.
You know, we harol them, but this is unknown that
the girls were out there killing Americans and it was
(09:05):
because of that thousand years of fighting the Chinese, and
they went out and they had a plan. We we
you know, in America, the story is how did this happen?
You can watch eighteen hours of Ken Burns and it's like, wow,
this is still confusing. But if you go to Vietnam, well,
(09:26):
actually you can't get them to talk to you. But
I did. It took me six months of drinking tea.
And if they if they part the veil and tell
you they had a plan. They were teenagers, but they
knew how to seize the initiative. This was not happenstance
or accidental that Vietnam beat America. They had a plan,
(09:47):
they knew they were going to do it, and they
executed the plan.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well, it's also the fact that they're actually defending their home.
You know, that's a that's an important thing. You know,
that's a big advantage for defenders when they're actually fighting
for their lives and fighting for their home, as opposed
to people who are going because they've been told that
there's some kind of geopolitical thing maybe that maybe exists
(10:11):
or maybe doesn't exist. I think that is a key thing.
I think that's a real big part of why we
do so poorly in all these asymmetric wars everywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yes, no, that's if Ho Chi Minh I'm from Wisconsin,
if Ho Chi Minh innovated Wisconsin, that war would still
be going on.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, we would never give up, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I mean, you know me, at fifteen years old, I
knew every alley way, I could run at night for
five blocks, jump over fences, I knew what doors were open,
you know. So they were defending their homeland. That's the key.
And I've been to Afghanistan, you know, I lived in Iran.
This bombing of Iran that we recently did in June
(10:55):
that united the Iranian people like never before. Oh yeah,
and we already supported leader if you. A Vietnamese guy
told me. He said, you know, we were trying to
recruit people in this valley, this isolated valley, and they said,
what's an American what's the war? What are you talking about?
And then an American jet came and dropped bombs and
(11:17):
he said, we didn't have to we didn't have to
recruit anymore. You Americans got everybody in line with just
a few bombs.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You know, we've seen that in movie after movie as well,
haven't we. You know, movies about you know, the American
Revolution or whatever, where somebody's I don't want to get
involved in the civil war, whatever, I don't want to
get involved until the war comes to them and they
get attacked by one side and necessarily now they get
galvanized and they're in it. I think that's the key thing.
You know, we lose our wars before they even begin
(11:46):
because we don't talk about why we should be there.
And if we go to war for an unjust cause,
we are going to lose that war eventually, because the
people who have a just cause in terms of defending
themselves are going to have the determined to finish it
and whatever it takes. That is the most important thing,
I think is that determination. We talk about the morality
(12:07):
of whether we have a just war or not, you know,
have we been attacked and how are we going to
fight this? But when we ignore that and we start
acting as the world's policeman, then what we've done is
we've sown the seeds of a shaky foundation that isn't
going to be able to sustain us. And on the
other side, they have a strong foundation to fight back,
(12:30):
as you point out, if they had invaded us, we
would still be fighting them. I think that's a key
thing I think we have.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
David, can I interrupt here? Sure, I'd like to say
to your viewers and listeners if you could just back
up and listen again to what David just said. That
is the key to this book, Precious Freedom. They were
defending mom and dad. Yeah, and they had a plan,
and the Americans went and they were fighting communists. You know,
(12:59):
how do you fight a communists? And what is a communist?
The Vietnamese I interviewed who were fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years
old back in the nineteen sixties. The one guy told me,
he said, I didn't know democracy or communism. He said,
they shot my mother and killed her. He said, that's
all I had to know.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, that's right, And that's how we lose these wars.
We don't understand what we're really fighting for. So you
talk about distorted revisionism that we've seen here in the US.
Defined that a little bit. When we talk about the
Walter Cronkite version of the war. When we talk about
the ken Burns version of the war, how has your
(13:41):
vision of the war changed? You said, it took you
a while to come to terms with that.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, here is a real mind teaser, and I hope
you don't mind if I use visuals. It'll save That's fine, yeah, library, No,
but the American view of the war, if you turn
on ken Burns, Walter Cronkite, look at any documentary, starts
with this. There was a North Vietnam and a South Vietnam.
(14:09):
Can you see it?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, And there was a border between two countries, and
we came to rescue South Vietnam against North Vietnam. So
I go into this eighty five year old guy's house
and he said, mister Bradley, he said, this was all imaginary.
The New York Times drew a line across my country.
(14:32):
He said, I never thought I needed a visa to
visit my uncle. There was one Vietnam. This is how
they viewed it. There was one Vietnam, and we invaded
the whole thing. So my brother was told, you know,
you go train in the Marines, you go to the
South Vietnam, and you fight for freedom against these terrible Kamis.
(14:55):
But the Vietnamese never saw it that way. They saw
one country. And if you read the speeches, everybody's giving,
I mean, all the Vietnamese. They start with, there's only
one Vietnam. There will only be one Vietnam. And they
were right. If I drew a line across Texas, David,
(15:16):
you know, I'm Canadian and I come down there with
the Canadian Army and I say, there's a West Texas,
East Texas. There's a border. You're bad on the west side,
the good is on the Like, what are you talking about.
We're Texan, there's one Texas. And you would, you know,
down to your grandkids, you would fight to have that
(15:38):
reality come back. What you said earlier about seven minutes ago.
The key was not our veterans. They did a good job.
The key was our leaders set up a false, a
false situation right from the start. We lost that war
before we started.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
What is now the politicians that were there. Okay, so
you got Ho Chi Minh in the north and you
got the South Vietnamese government. Was that something that Americans created?
Was that a CIA creation or was that something that
yes said? So it didn't start with the French. Yeah, Cia,
what happened?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
If I could? You know, the French were there for
eighty years Roman Catholic Church, by the way, and you
know for the church the French went in eighteen eighties.
They couldn't control, just like us in Afghanistan. They had
the cities, they couldn't control the country. Ho Chi Minh
goes overseas to study the Western media for thirty years
(16:45):
and then figures out how to beat the Americans. He
comes back first. They pushed the French out. Well. In
nineteen fifty four, when they pushed the French out, they agreed,
we'll have a temporary line at the seventeen parallel temporary
and they wrote in the Geneva language, this is not
(17:05):
two countries, this is not a border. The French have
been here for eighty years, and we're just gonna let
them withdraw to the south. And then you know, to
get the French on ships to let them go. But
the Allen Dulles, the CIA, Dwight Eisenhower, Cardinals Spelman, Pope
Pius came in and said, hocus pocus, CBS, New York Times,
(17:29):
make that a border, and look at there's this country
south Vietnam, North Vietnam. Well, we weren't paying attention. What
was an Indo China? So I grew up thinking there's
a North Vietnam, South Vietnam. I saw it every day.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I mean me too.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, you know, but we know people that think that
there was a COVID thing that hit the United States, right,
and that there's a vaccine that makes you if you
take poison, you get healthy. So what they they did
with us Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. And there's these
two countries. But the Vietnamese, the people there, tens of millions,
(18:10):
didn't you know, what are you talking about? Two countries?
The South Vietnamese leaders had been in the French Air Force.
They were traders to the country. When mcnamaras stood with
the South Vietnamese leaders, the Vietnamese looked and like, wow,
we beat the French, and now here's the American enemy also.
(18:33):
So this is why it took me ten years. I
had to unravel everything I knew about the Vietnam War.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, and of course that happened that long. I guess
after really maybe a decade or so, after what we
had done in Iran. You know, that's the other thing
Americans look at Iran and they remember the hostage situation,
the Iyatola, Well, they don't remember what's what happened with
the shaw that we put in power and the Savaka
that the CIA train. And I've talked about that many times.
(19:04):
I was exposed to that because I had in the
engineering school. There was a lot of Iranian students who
came there and they were protesting, and I was asking
them why they were wearing masks, and they started telling
me about the Savak and it's like, what you know,
So our history and our perception is so distorted by
media and so distorted by a selective starting point in
(19:27):
the narrative that it is really hard to get to
the truth. That's why, you know, books like this are
very important to open up people's minds to understand how
they've been controlled. I think. So you really kind of
see this as a David and Goliath story right.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Well, the day the I don't know David and Client,
but it's a story of the Vietnamese. They're like if
you if you poke of Japanese, they have a certain history,
they have no ability. They I've never been invaded, you know,
they don't know, they don't haven't practiced those arts. If
(20:06):
you talk to an American, our history is not how
we were invaded by Mexico and then the Germans invaded
us and then we don't have those skills. But the
Vietnamese that's their only history. If you're Vietnamese, you grow
up with that history of you know, great grandfather fought
the Chinese here and then your great great grandfather fought
(20:29):
the Mongols in that river. I mean, I have a
picture of a guy who was sixteen years old, about
this tall, and he sunk five navy ships on a
river using techniques that were a thousand years old, the
Battle of the Baghdang River from nine hundred and thirty two.
(20:50):
And I said, you were sixteen and you recreated a
battle that was a thousand years old, and he said, yes,
Vietnam has a problem military history.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So that's what they know. So if you want to
lose a war, invade Vietnam tomorrow, use nuclear arms, use
whatever you want. You're gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, that's amazing. And I guess we probably could say
the same thing about Afghanistan as well. They have taken
down one empire after the other, taking them on and
taking them down in their country. So I guess they've
got a long history of girl of warfare as well.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
They But David, why do we choose because they wear sandals?
I mean Pete Egseth wants you know, short hair and
no beards. Well, jeez, you know they call these girls.
I mean, look at this. This is Ho Chi Minh. Okay,
that's Ho Chi Minh with General Ziapah. Ho Chi Minh
(21:49):
is the military genius of the Vietnam War. Beat the
French and the Americans. Look at this tiny guys with
General Ziap. General Ziap is the win this general of
the twentieth century. David, we talk about Eisenhower, MacArthur, Ziapp
beat the French, he beat the Japanese, he beat the Americans,
(22:12):
he beat the Chinese. Vietnam is the only country in
the world to have defeated three members of the United
Nations Security Council. That's their history is how to get
rid of the invader. And we wouldn't listen to that.
But can I just say something that there was a
(22:34):
United States Marine Commandant General Shoe General David Shup Medal
of Honor, Tarawa Medal of Honor, one of the worst
Marine battles. This guy knew battles, and he resigned when
Johnson wanted to go in Vietnam and General Shue put
on a suit and tie and crisscrossed the countries in
(22:55):
the sixties saying there's no way we can win. Hemends
the George Washington. So there was a David Knight understanding
that the media was, you know, fooling the American public
back in the nineteen sixties. And it was being broadcast
by a United States Marine commandant, not some you know,
(23:20):
crazy pinko, you know, demonstrating, but a commandant was saying,
the Vietnamese are never going to give up. We're going
to lose. He said, the Vietnam War is not worth
one of our deaths. Yes, this was coming from a
military man, and he was right. But Washington wouldn't listen
because Brown and Root, which became Haliburton Lockheed, you know,
(23:45):
they made out Vietnam was a tragedy for them. It
was a profit center.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
When I was looking at it as a as a
young teen and then on into high school, it looked
to me like, you know, the military industrial complex using
it to practice and develop weapons. I mean, I could
see that even when I was in high school. These
guys are making a killing from this stuff, and they're
using it to as a testing ground for their military
(24:12):
hardware that they want to sell. Yes, and that seemed
like all it was to me, you know when I
looked at that. It's absolutely insane how we have been manipulated,
controlled and misguided by these people who are the leaders
that are there, and they still keep doing the same
thing over and over again. Now you've got a fictional character.
I think it's the mother of the main American character
(24:35):
of the Marine and she kind of goes through this
transformation that I think a lot of people in America did.
I remember when it first started. You know, my family's conservative,
so they would yeah, this is, you know, going to
make the world say for democracy type of thing. And
then gradually they started to understand what this war was
really about. And I think you've got a character that
represents that in the Mother. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Betty. Betty is the mother of Chip, and she, you know,
is college educated. She's from Minnesota and a wonderful woman.
Gives her son to the United States Marine Corps. And
then a guy, a funny guy by the name of
Muhammad Ali says, I'm not going to kill brown people.
(25:19):
You know, this is an immoral war. And what she's
shocked by is that the media doesn't report his words.
And she finds his words from a friend and she's like,
why isn't Walter Cronkite saying why Muhammad Ali won't go?
And then a guy by the name of doctor Martin
(25:40):
Luther King stands up in Riverside Church and says, the
United States government is the biggest purveyor of violence in
the world. This we are supporting a dictatorship. Ho Chi
Minh is the George Washington we cannot win. One hundred
and fifty three newspaper criticize doctor King. But the key
(26:04):
is nobody read doctor King's speech because the Washington Post,
New York Times AP nobody would reprint it because it
was the truth. And guess what, Doctor King got a
bullet in the head one year to the day of
that anti Vietnam speech.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
This wakes they really don't go not too concerned about
killing people, are they? I mean, you know, it can
be one on one or it can be tens of
thousands of people.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, And this wakes Betty up, and Betty slowly begins
with a friend of hers who's a librarian, to see that.
Oh my god, she's she's supporting this violence unconsciously. She
doesn't know that she gave her son to this wrong cause.
And of course her son comes back damaged, like so
(26:55):
many of all of them. You know, my father, he's
a symbol of heroism. Donald Trump has got my dad
right behind him. If you look at a shot of
Trump in the Oval Office, the Egogima statue is right
behind him. My father cried in his sleep for the
(27:16):
first four years of his marriage. I learned that after
he died. My mom told me, you know, this is war.
We have got to stop talking about heroism and start
to own up to if you want to go to war,
let's have the Trump kids go first. And then you know,
the grandkids of Marco Rubio and Pete Haigseth must have somebody,
(27:41):
you know, send them off first. My dad was on
Ewo Jima and there were colonels in front of them.
There were colonels getting shot. Come on, boys, they were
leading from the front in Vietnam. The colonels were in
helicopters and in the back. Boys, you go out there.
The military changed after World War two and we still
(28:04):
have not righted it.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, leading from the rear, except that you know, Trump
put out that picture of him as the Robert Duval
character and apocalypse. Now It's like, if that isn't disturbing,
I don't know what is.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
If he sees himself that way, a guy who has
never been to war and he's going to be the
guy quarterbacking this from the back end, and when you
look at just the disconnect that is there and the
lack of depth as he talked to these generals that
he summoned in there, well, it's truly is amazing, and
(28:41):
it really is something I think the.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
People need to pull back and take a look at
what a just war is, and they need to look
at our history of idiotic aggression. I mean, we're about
to do this again in several different places. I mean,
they want to go into Venezuela, they would like to
get involved. I think in Iran. Will you talk about
a quagmire in Iran? As large as that country is
and the history that that we've had with them, a
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lot of pent up anger because of what the CIA
has done in Iran for a very long time. We
just don't seem to learn those lessons, and it's a
very important lesson to learn, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Well, why can't we learn those lessons? You know you
should be broadcasts, you know, Prime Time, But you're telling
the truth. So I mean, you know what you say
about Iran. I lived in Iran. Iranians saved my life.
I learned that Iran is Persia. Iran is not you know,
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Iran is not in bombing Baltimore. You know, China is
not in San Francisco Bay, we could we have. I'm
out here in Mauritius, in the middle of the Indian Ocean,
and at night I can almost hear all the billions
of dollars of equipment that America is prepositioning here to
bomb Ran. Like why, why, let's stop it. Let's make
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Chicago great, you know, put the money in Saint Louis
rather than out here in Diego, Garcia. But this is
what the book is about. That's why Oliver Stone said,
if we knew what I found out in Precious Freedom,
mothers would have never given their kids to go to
Iraq in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yes, we need to be skeptical of what the government
is telling us when it gets us into these wars
and now I'm afraid they were probably going to say,
and if you know, people had known this, we wouldn't
have gotten involved in Venezuela and Iran and start, you know,
a war with China and Ukraine and all these other
things that we're trying to escalate. Look at how many
different theaters we're in right now, and these are big fights.
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And I think it was Colonel Douglas McGregor said, we're
really picking fights that you know, we can't cash these
checks essentially to paraphrase what he had to say, we're
still doing that everywhere. It's incredibly bad leadership that we
have civilian as well as military.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
That's the story of precious freedom.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That the reason I'm talking about the book, and I'm
so grateful that you're getting it out there, is it's
not just it's not a book about the Vietnam War.
It's a book about America, American media, how we are
being fooled the military industrial complex, you know, and how
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the world sees us, and how we're taking our innocent
sons and daughters and whipping them into these froths of
what we call patriotism and sending them over to situations
that they cannot win in. So, you know, but again
it took me ten years to figure it out Vietnam.
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You know, I thought of Vietnam as some dark place,
you know, the jungles, and they're growing by eight percent
a year. The Vietnamese are confident, they will welcome you
if you go there. And I realized Vietnam War was
a tragedy for them, but it was a victory. They won.
They have the confidence of winners. And you know, I
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tipped my hat to all the American Vietnam veterans. They
did a They did what they were trained to do.
The problem was our leaders put him in a jar
that was impossible to break out a situation, and we
lied and lied and lied. I believed all. You know,
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I'm seventy one now, I believed many of these lies
till I was, you know, fifty three and went to Vietnam.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Let me ask you about Walter cronkaye. Could you mentioned
him a couple of times? And you know, Operation mocking
Bird was very prevalent. Then we know that he was
very friendly to the CIA narratives and stuff like that.
But at the same time as that was happening, I
heard criticism from the rights saying, you know, he's going
to cause us to lose a war because he's reading
the names of the men every night that are killed
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in this war. What is your take on how that
was that part of the propaganda the Kronkite.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
To Kronkkite, you know, it's just like all our prostitutes
right now, They successfully, you know, go down the line
so that the CIA will keep them, you know, in
the chair, and they appear to be you know, all
this war, you know, people are dying. Walter Kronkite was
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went to Vietnam a number of times. He knew William
Colby of the CIA, who was running the CIA operations.
William Colby later admitted that the United States secretly the
CIA kidnapped eighty thousand innocent civilians, tortured him, tortured him,
killed them eighty thousand. He's admitted this to Walter Cronkite,
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David Alberson. All these guys knew what was happening. It
was a torture program. We had torture centers all over
South Vietnam. They knew, you know, but they didn't admit
that we bombed Laos. There was an airport in Laos,
That was the busiest airport in the world in the
middle sixties. Where was Walter Cronkite. Yeah, William west Moreland.
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General Wes Moreland was probably the biggest opium dealer of
the nineteen sixties, running opium through the Saigon airport out
to that was the French connection out to the Mediterranean,
washing the money in the Vatican Bank. This was all
William west What happened to William west Moreland after Johnson
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kicked him upstairs, He went to be Chief of Staff
of the Army and he started to work on Gladio
in fighting the communists in Italy. This was a worldwide
opium network that started, you know in the Golden Triangle.
They shipped it out of Vietnam because we controlled it militarily.
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You're talking about billions of dollars of CIA money. So
Walter Cronkite didn't know this. Our top newsman, Morally Safer,
couldn't figure this out.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
It wasn't on the script they were given. Yeah, when
you look at Afghanistan and what's happened, what happened there
with opium stuff, it's amazing that we keep seeing, you know,
all of these different that how they've used the War
on drugs to fund their military operations. I'm thinking of
wrong contrat and other things like that. The CIA is
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a whole nother story. Maybe maybe you'll do a book
on them one day as well, so you know, we
look at this moving forward. The uh, there's a lot
of a lot of different characters that're able to with
the fiction thing, a lot of different people stories that're
able to pull into a fictional account. That'd be difficulty,
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she said to do. Otherwise, tell us a little bit
more about the book and your approach to that.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Well, you know, mister Song was a twenty one year
old Vietcong leader. When I was thirteen years old, I
watched CBS News and they said, here we are on
Route nine. Route nine is the key artery that cuts
across the parallel to the DMZ, and the Marines are
out on Route nine. And I looked and I thought, well,
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my brother's Marines control Route nine. So I go out
to Route nine years later with mister Song, and I said, oh, yeah,
this is Route nine. I remember seeing this in newsreels
back when I was a kid. He said, you didn't
see us in those, He said, you didn't see me
in those newsreels, and I said, what do you mean.
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Your nickname is the Tiger of Route nine. Why didn't
I see He said, because Americans shot all the newsreels
during the day. He said, we were sleeping during the day.
A Chi Minh said, America has eyes in the sky.
Don't fight during the day. He said, I didn't fight
in the day. I fought at night. It's easy to
be courageous at night. So what I didn't realize is
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America never dominated Vietnam for a twenty four hour period.
I'll repeat that America was never winning, not even for
twenty four hours. Because every day at four pm, what
did the Marines do? They retreated and they dug a hole,
they went back in, they put wire around, they put mines,
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and they tried to get some sleep. And that's when
the viet Cong came out. They had specialists trained to
walk like spiders through these minefields and disconnect them all
and then attack the Marines at night. So after the
sleepless marine woke up the survivors, they couldn't go out
on Route nine. They had to have mind sweepers. There
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are all sorts of minds out there. The Vietnamese were
fighting at night. You need night goggles, night film to
see the Vietnam War from the view of the Vietnamese.
And the other thing is, you know, President Obama told
a group of Vietnam veterans, you won every battle. Well,
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what are you talking about? Ho Chi Minh trained his people,
he said, don't win a battle. He said, We're just
going to ambush. If you knock off the pinky of
a marine, they'll report that home. There'll be doctors, they'll
be you know, tourniquets. He said, you know, you just
you ambush quick in, quick out, the three quicks and
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the one slow. The three quicks, you know, get ready,
attack withdraw, what's the one slow? Prepare? He said, never
attack unless you have the advantage. So if I was
fifteen in Wisconsin, David, I could figure that out. I'm
going to see this Canadian army moving in a bunch
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with helmets. I'm not going to attack them. They could
kill me, but I'm going to get them. You know,
when they turn the corner, they're not looking, you know,
sling shots, get them in the knee, run away, hide
in the bush. They were ambushing us. We never controlled Vietnam.
For a twenty four hour period. Wow.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah, that's very different from whatever I've always heard the line.
Like you point out, with Obama, he's not the first
or only one who said that. I've heard that from
a lot of people who want every battle, but then
they would turn away and leave it, you know. So
that was their best case example of trying to explain
what was happening there. And even when they put that
spin on it, it's like we had leadership. They could
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win every battle and lose the war. What's the matter
with this? But that puts a whole new spin on it,
the fact that there pulling back constantly, And of course
the Vietnamese understood that they were fighting a war of attrition.
And you know that's because he understood America and he
understood that, as you point out, because they had a
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lot of experience with other invaders. It's that war of attrition,
and that's how we always lose these wars, these asymmetric wars.
We go in and try to occupy a country and
turn it into what we want it to be. Then
it turns into a war of attrition. And that truly
is an amazing insights, very different from what we heard
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that's why it's important for people to see this book.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I think, you know, and I'm a Wisconsin talking to
somebody in Texas. If I could bring up, of course,
the number one game in the history of football, the
Ice Bowl nineteen sixty seven, Dallas Cowboys lambeau Field Vince
Lombardi bart Starr. If you look at the stats, the
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Dallas Cowboys rushed for more, more yards, they had more sacks.
You could look at the stats, and that's like the
Vietnam War. It's as if the Texas news media said, hey,
look we won that game in lambeau Field at Ice
Bowl for the NFL Championship. Look we ran for more yards.
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Look we had more sacks. Look at this stat. Look
at that stat. But in the end, the Green Bay
Packers bart Star Vincelambarti won and Ho Chi Minh was
the Vincelambarti general. Zapp was the winning US general of
the twentieth century. And I'm not saying this to rub
it in. I'm saying it to if we had realized
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these things, and even if we would realize what happened
in Vietnam, that's the source. You know, folks, there's a
David Knight goal, and David, you and I don't know
each other. We didn't talk about this in advance. I would,
you know, recommend everybody right now take your dollars, go
to day night gold, get some gold. Why am I
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saying that? In nineteen sixty six, the Prime Minister of
Vietnam told the New York Times, you're going to go
off the gold standard. This war is going to ruin
the dollar. He told that to the Times. The Times
readers in sixty six couldn't figure it out. Seventy one,
Nixon goes on, it's because of Vietnam. Yeah, the reason
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we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan is we didn't look
at the lessons of Vietnam. The economy, the debt, the
riots that we have right now, the government line. These
are all stories that came. You know, the seed of
them is in the Vietnam War, and they're in this
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book Precious Freedom.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yes, we keep making those same types of decisions. You
know when you talk about the general who went around
telling everybody that hochimenh was like George Washington, and that
really is the way that we won the revolutionary war
again defending your home. And it wasn't like they won
any battles. I mean, they won your town that was
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like basically the first of battle that they really won.
But they were all wars of attrition and it was like,
you know, the British could say, yeah, we got those
guns and conquered in Lexington, but they got hammered the
entire time they were coming back. And we need to
think in those terms, and we need to stop thinking
like the world's policemen, and we just can't get that
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through to people. Maybe you know, your book can get
that into people's minds, that perspective and how we have
just the wrong approach in terms of doing this. But again,
I think it comes back to the fact that and
things are only getting worse in this regard that we
don't have the proper kind of determination whether we're going
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to get involved in a war. I mean, we look
at the wars that we've had since World War Two,
it's predominantly been because there hasn't been a real consider
or discussion of what's happening. We've been lied into it
and pushed into it by the executive branch and a
supine pentagon that is there. It's interesting that you mentioned
Wes Moreland. I didn't know about his involvement with Gladio.
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I mean, I've looked at Gladio quite a bit, but
I didn't notice that he was there. And we should
think about that part of it as well. I mean,
NATO has got an unbelievable history when you go back
and look at NATO, not just the things that are
happening in Eastern Europe, but a long, long history of
false flags and things like that. Yeah, the book is
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precious freedom and I tell you freedom is precious and
so is life, and we have allowed our government to
put them on a very low priority. They've got a
different priority. We need to start waking up as a people,
and I think the important thing is that we have to.
And you know, when you've got a fictional narrative like this,
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it's very powerful because you can get into people's feelings
in a way that's difficult to do in a nonfiction book.
And I think that that ability to tell a narrative
story like that can really affect people's hearts and minds.
And that's what this is all truly about. That was
something that was a big part of the Vietnamese The
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north of the Vietnam War was the hearts and minds
that they were losing, and we need to make sure
that they don't have control of our hearts and minds again.
And I think the best anecdote is to have the
truth presented to them in a very effective way. And
I think your book is one of those ways that
people can get that message out to people. Thank you,
(45:45):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Thank you for giving me the chance to talk about.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Well, thank you for what you're doing. I think it's
very important work. And I think it's important for people
to see this. And we all grew up a Vietnam
and I think it's also important for people to go
back and to question what they were told. And once
you do that, that's a real eye opening experience. And
so many of us have had that experience with Vietnam.
(46:11):
I who a lot of people who went to Vietnam
and they had that same kind of experience and were
severely harmed by that. But our country was severely harmed
by the Vietnam War. So again, the book is precious
freedom and people can find it on Amazon. Is that
the best place for people to find your book? Do
you have a website that you're sell it?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Okay, Jump Jump to Amazon. It will be you'll get
it delivered November eleventh. It's being you know, officially published,
but pre orders you don't really help a lot. And
it's you know, this is going to have a lot
of readership in Asia. Vietnam is not a small American story.
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It was global.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yes, it should be made into a movie. I like
your other book was. I think it would probably. Yeah,
I think it'd be a great movie. It's the story
that really needs to be told. Who knows, maybe Clint
Easwood will do it. He's still game for doing movies.
He's not giving up yet of that. But maybe we'll
find a good director, if there's any left in Hollywood.
I don't know, but it would be a great movie,
(47:14):
I'm sure. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you,
James Bradley, And again, the book is precious freedom the
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In joining us now is James Bradley, who is the
author of Flags of Our Fathers, a great book and
a great film that was done by Clint Eastwood. And
he's now got another book, not about that was about
Ewagimo course and World War Two. This one is a
nonfiction book and it is about Vietnam. It's called Precious Freedom.
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And some of the views that are here, one person,
Norman Solomon, said, for more than sixty years, Americans have
looked at Vietnam through the wrong end of a telescope.
I think that's a great way of putting it. He said.
Precious Freedom turns it around and brings people into sharp focus,
from Vietnamese people who lived there and died to the
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Pentagon's gun gun sights, and so I think it's very
important story. And he's spent a lot of time working
on this story, and this is a story that for
most of us, Vietnam is a very very important milestone
in our life. I think it shaped as me, shaped
my view of government and war in many different ways.
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And I didn't even go, I mean, I can only
imagine the people that were thereby I did know people
that went that were slightly older than I was. I
had two older sisters and they knew a lot of
people who had been involved in going to Vietnam and
that experience that happened. And so this is a story
that is told with characters from both sides, Americans as
well as Vietnamese. Thank you for joining us, James, good
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to be here. Thank you. Now you spent a decade
in Vietnam researching this. Tell us a little bit about
that and what Vietnam is like and what that experience
is like.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, I went, you know, I had written four books
up to that point, so I thought, you know, I
wrote all about the Pacific War. So I think my
brother enlisted in the Marines in nineteen sixty seven. So
I was watching Walter Cronkite every night studying the Vietnam War,
and I thought, you know, I'll write a book about Vietnam.
(02:08):
I'll just spend three years here. But it took me
over ten years because I had to unravel all the
propaganda Bologney told to us by Walter Cronkite into Ken Burns.
Right now, it's just you know, last night you talked
about a little thing that a few folks that fooled
(02:31):
America about COVID about the vaccine. You know, I mean
Trump was a Russian spy and America, the American government
did it the same with us with Lee Harvey Oswald
and the Vietnam War.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yes, absolutely right, you know it is. And when we
look at Vietnam, I keep going back to one of
the I haven't read your book yet, but you know,
when you go back and you look at the fog
of war that was done by so I don't know
if you ever saw that or not. His documentarium five times. Yeah, Yeah,
that's a good documentary. And he just has this knack
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of getting people to confess things that you normally you
would not expect they confess to. So he spent a
lot of time talking to Robert McNamara, who was running
this whole mess. And macnamara said, he went back to
Vietnam and they banged the guy who was his counterpart
at the time set up and said, what is the
matter with you? Don't you know anything about history? For
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a thousand years we oppose the Chinese, and you're trying
to tell everybody that we're Chinese puppets and it's a
Domino theory and all the rest of this stuff, and
McNamara said, yeah, you know, he was right. What is
Vietnam like today? I mean, I've seen still some border
conflicts between them and China, and there's a lot of
competition there, but they've become highly industrialized, is that right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah. China is the forever enemy of Vietnam, you know,
more than a thousand years of fighting each other, and
that's how the Vietnamese learned these techniques to repel the invader.
You know, Vietnam right now, if you include reserves, has
the largest army in the world. This shocks people. It's
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bigger than India, China, America, Russia. Wow, they are watching
their borders. They're not invading anybody. Yeah, and you know
they're protecting their borders. Vietnam's for the Vietnamese and they
are growing by eight percent a year. Vietnam is so
successful right now, and it would have been successful a
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long time ago if the French and the Americans hadn't
decided to vombit for eighty years.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing to think that they could get
it that wrong. You know that they think they portray
Vietnam as a China puppet when actually you know, they were,
they were always opposed to them and opposition there. Now
did this as a as a fiction book? You have
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done nonfiction before. We talked about Ewajima and the Marines
that were there in Flags of Our Father. Why did
you go to a nonfiction approach?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You know, fiction is sorry. The book is really history
as fiction. Everything in the book is true. But whereas
Iwo Jima, you know, all the characters were concentrated on
a little tiny spit of land. I had stories from
all over Vietnam that I couldn't connect in a storyline,
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so I just did it. I fictionalized it. But you know,
so maybe I took a character that I have fighting
somewhere where they didn't. But everything is from interviews I
did over ten years of living in Vietnam, interviewing the people,
and David, You'll be shocked. I'm the first American author
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to go to Vietnam and say, how did you win?
I caddied for Vince Lombardi when I was a kid.
I'm a little older than you. Bart Starr lived four
doors down up at bass Lake from the Bradleys. And
for anybody who doesn't know who Vince Lombardi is, when
you win the NFL Trophy, I mean the Super Bowl Trophy.
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This year, you will win the Vince Lombardi Trophy. So
Vince studied when he lost a game, if they won
or lost. He you know, we admitted it, and we
studied how we lost, and we figured out how the
winners won. And I'm the first author to go to
Vietnam and say, you guys obviously won, how did you
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do it? And the answers are this book precious freedom?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yes? Yes, there's actually a comment that you have from
Oliver Stone, who's had James Bradley journeyed to Iwajima and
returned the flags of our fathers now of interest to
Vietnam and brings the precious freedom, brings us precious free
him where he reveals that if we had known what
happened in the nineteen sixties in Vietnam, American mothers would
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have never sent their children to I rockk and Afghanistan.
The truth is the best vaccination against great lies. I
think that's very important. And so by going with the
fictional thing, you can cover a lot of different facets
that are still very realistic at the same time, and
so tell us a little bit about some of the
characters out of there. You got both American and Vietnamese
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characters in your book, right.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yes, it's basically Chip in May. Chip is a US Marine,
and you know Pete Hegseth got it wrong. They were
in pretty good shape in the Vietnam era. You know
our marines. It wasn't the fatness, it was the fat
heads in the Pentagon.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Chip goes into May's front yard. May is fifteen years old.
Look at this little chick. She's fifteen years old, never
thought about war. Chip shoots her father in the head.
May sees this, and at fifteen, she says, I'm going
to kill every American I ever see. And conveniently, the
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Americans came in in helmets and uniforms, and you know,
you could tell what an American was. So this May
went out and sniper to death five Marines. Those are
the kills she got medals for. And what is untold
about the Vietnam War is the role of women. Here's
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a photo this girl with the machine gun. Can you
see it?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, she killed one hundred and seventy four Americans. Wow,
look at she's twenty two years old. Wow, the number
one Marine sniper killed ninety four. We write books about them.
You know, we harol them, but this is unknown that
the girls were out there killing Americans and it was
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because of that thousand years of fighting the Chinese, and
they went out and they had a plan. We we
you know, in America, the story is how did this happen?
You can watch eighteen hours of Ken Burns and it's like, wow,
this is still confusing. But if you go to Vietnam, well,
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actually you can't get them to talk to you. But
I did. It took me six months of drinking tea.
And if they if they part the veil and tell
you they had a plan. They were teenagers, but they
knew how to seize the initiative. This was not happenstance
or accidental that Vietnam beat America. They had a plan,
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they knew they were going to do it, and they
executed the plan.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well, it's also the fact that they're actually defending their home.
You know, that's a that's an important thing. You know,
that's a big advantage for defenders when they're actually fighting
for their lives and fighting for their home, as opposed
to people who are going because they've been told that
there's some kind of geopolitical thing maybe that maybe exists
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or maybe doesn't exist. I think that is a key thing.
I think that's a real big part of why we
do so poorly in all these asymmetric wars everywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yes, no, that's if Ho Chi Minh I'm from Wisconsin,
if Ho Chi Minh innovated Wisconsin, that war would still
be going on.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, we would never give up, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I mean, you know me, at fifteen years old, I
knew every alley way, I could run at night for
five blocks, jump over fences, I knew what doors were open,
you know. So they were defending their homeland. That's the key.
And I've been to Afghanistan, you know, I lived in Iran.
This bombing of Iran that we recently did in June
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that united the Iranian people like never before. Oh yeah,
and we already supported leader if you. A Vietnamese guy
told me. He said, you know, we were trying to
recruit people in this valley, this isolated valley, and they said,
what's an American what's the war? What are you talking about?
And then an American jet came and dropped bombs and
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he said, we didn't have to we didn't have to
recruit anymore. You Americans got everybody in line with just
a few bombs.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You know, we've seen that in movie after movie as well,
haven't we. You know, movies about you know, the American
Revolution or whatever, where somebody's I don't want to get
involved in the civil war, whatever, I don't want to
get involved until the war comes to them and they
get attacked by one side and necessarily now they get
galvanized and they're in it. I think that's the key thing.
You know, we lose our wars before they even begin
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because we don't talk about why we should be there.
And if we go to war for an unjust cause,
we are going to lose that war eventually, because the
people who have a just cause in terms of defending
themselves are going to have the determined to finish it
and whatever it takes. That is the most important thing,
I think is that determination. We talk about the morality
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of whether we have a just war or not, you know,
have we been attacked and how are we going to
fight this? But when we ignore that and we start
acting as the world's policeman, then what we've done is
we've sown the seeds of a shaky foundation that isn't
going to be able to sustain us. And on the
other side, they have a strong foundation to fight back,
(12:30):
as you point out, if they had invaded us, we
would still be fighting them. I think that's a key
thing I think we have.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
David, can I interrupt here? Sure, I'd like to say
to your viewers and listeners if you could just back
up and listen again to what David just said. That
is the key to this book, Precious Freedom. They were
defending mom and dad. Yeah, and they had a plan,
and the Americans went and they were fighting communists. You know,
(12:59):
how do you fight a communists? And what is a communist?
The Vietnamese I interviewed who were fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years
old back in the nineteen sixties. The one guy told me,
he said, I didn't know democracy or communism. He said,
they shot my mother and killed her. He said, that's
all I had to know.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, that's right, And that's how we lose these wars.
We don't understand what we're really fighting for. So you
talk about distorted revisionism that we've seen here in the US.
Defined that a little bit. When we talk about the
Walter Cronkite version of the war. When we talk about
the ken Burns version of the war, how has your
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vision of the war changed? You said, it took you
a while to come to terms with that.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, here is a real mind teaser, and I hope
you don't mind if I use visuals. It'll save That's fine, yeah, library, No,
but the American view of the war, if you turn
on ken Burns, Walter Cronkite, look at any documentary, starts
with this. There was a North Vietnam and a South Vietnam.
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Can you see it?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, And there was a border between two countries, and
we came to rescue South Vietnam against North Vietnam. So
I go into this eighty five year old guy's house
and he said, mister Bradley, he said, this was all imaginary.
The New York Times drew a line across my country.
(14:32):
He said, I never thought I needed a visa to
visit my uncle. There was one Vietnam. This is how
they viewed it. There was one Vietnam, and we invaded
the whole thing. So my brother was told, you know,
you go train in the Marines, you go to the
South Vietnam, and you fight for freedom against these terrible Kamis.
(14:55):
But the Vietnamese never saw it that way. They saw
one country. And if you read the speeches, everybody's giving,
I mean, all the Vietnamese. They start with, there's only
one Vietnam. There will only be one Vietnam. And they
were right. If I drew a line across Texas, David,
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you know, I'm Canadian and I come down there with
the Canadian Army and I say, there's a West Texas,
East Texas. There's a border. You're bad on the west side,
the good is on the Like, what are you talking about.
We're Texan, there's one Texas. And you would, you know,
down to your grandkids, you would fight to have that
(15:38):
reality come back. What you said earlier about seven minutes ago.
The key was not our veterans. They did a good job.
The key was our leaders set up a false, a
false situation right from the start. We lost that war
before we started.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
What is now the politicians that were there. Okay, so
you got Ho Chi Minh in the north and you
got the South Vietnamese government. Was that something that Americans created?
Was that a CIA creation or was that something that
yes said? So it didn't start with the French. Yeah, Cia,
what happened?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
If I could? You know, the French were there for
eighty years Roman Catholic Church, by the way, and you
know for the church the French went in eighteen eighties.
They couldn't control, just like us in Afghanistan. They had
the cities, they couldn't control the country. Ho Chi Minh
goes overseas to study the Western media for thirty years
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and then figures out how to beat the Americans. He
comes back first. They pushed the French out. Well. In
nineteen fifty four, when they pushed the French out, they agreed,
we'll have a temporary line at the seventeen parallel temporary
and they wrote in the Geneva language, this is not
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two countries, this is not a border. The French have
been here for eighty years, and we're just gonna let
them withdraw to the south. And then you know, to
get the French on ships to let them go. But
the Allen Dulles, the CIA, Dwight Eisenhower, Cardinals Spelman, Pope
Pius came in and said, hocus pocus, CBS, New York Times,
(17:29):
make that a border, and look at there's this country
south Vietnam, North Vietnam. Well, we weren't paying attention. What
was an Indo China? So I grew up thinking there's
a North Vietnam, South Vietnam. I saw it every day.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I mean me too.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, you know, but we know people that think that
there was a COVID thing that hit the United States, right,
and that there's a vaccine that makes you if you
take poison, you get healthy. So what they they did
with us Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. And there's these
two countries. But the Vietnamese, the people there, tens of millions,
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didn't you know, what are you talking about? Two countries?
The South Vietnamese leaders had been in the French Air Force.
They were traders to the country. When mcnamaras stood with
the South Vietnamese leaders, the Vietnamese looked and like, wow,
we beat the French, and now here's the American enemy also.
(18:33):
So this is why it took me ten years. I
had to unravel everything I knew about the Vietnam War.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, and of course that happened that long. I guess
after really maybe a decade or so, after what we
had done in Iran. You know, that's the other thing
Americans look at Iran and they remember the hostage situation,
the Iyatola, Well, they don't remember what's what happened with
the shaw that we put in power and the Savaka
that the CIA train. And I've talked about that many times.
(19:04):
I was exposed to that because I had in the
engineering school. There was a lot of Iranian students who
came there and they were protesting, and I was asking
them why they were wearing masks, and they started telling
me about the Savak and it's like, what you know,
So our history and our perception is so distorted by
media and so distorted by a selective starting point in
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the narrative that it is really hard to get to
the truth. That's why, you know, books like this are
very important to open up people's minds to understand how
they've been controlled. I think. So you really kind of
see this as a David and Goliath story right.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Well, the day the I don't know David and Client,
but it's a story of the Vietnamese. They're like if
you if you poke of Japanese, they have a certain history,
they have no ability. They I've never been invaded, you know,
they don't know, they don't haven't practiced those arts. If
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you talk to an American, our history is not how
we were invaded by Mexico and then the Germans invaded
us and then we don't have those skills. But the
Vietnamese that's their only history. If you're Vietnamese, you grow
up with that history of you know, great grandfather fought
the Chinese here and then your great great grandfather fought
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the Mongols in that river. I mean, I have a
picture of a guy who was sixteen years old, about
this tall, and he sunk five navy ships on a
river using techniques that were a thousand years old, the
Battle of the Baghdang River from nine hundred and thirty two.
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And I said, you were sixteen and you recreated a
battle that was a thousand years old, and he said, yes,
Vietnam has a problem military history.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So that's what they know. So if you want to
lose a war, invade Vietnam tomorrow, use nuclear arms, use
whatever you want. You're gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, that's amazing. And I guess we probably could say
the same thing about Afghanistan as well. They have taken
down one empire after the other, taking them on and
taking them down in their country. So I guess they've
got a long history of girl of warfare as well.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
They But David, why do we choose because they wear sandals?
I mean Pete Egseth wants you know, short hair and
no beards. Well, jeez, you know they call these girls.
I mean, look at this. This is Ho Chi Minh. Okay,
that's Ho Chi Minh with General Ziapah. Ho Chi Minh
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is the military genius of the Vietnam War. Beat the
French and the Americans. Look at this tiny guys with
General Ziap. General Ziap is the win this general of
the twentieth century. David, we talk about Eisenhower, MacArthur, Ziapp
beat the French, he beat the Japanese, he beat the Americans,
(22:12):
he beat the Chinese. Vietnam is the only country in
the world to have defeated three members of the United
Nations Security Council. That's their history is how to get
rid of the invader. And we wouldn't listen to that.
But can I just say something that there was a
(22:34):
United States Marine Commandant General Shoe General David Shup Medal
of Honor, Tarawa Medal of Honor, one of the worst
Marine battles. This guy knew battles, and he resigned when
Johnson wanted to go in Vietnam and General Shue put
on a suit and tie and crisscrossed the countries in
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the sixties saying there's no way we can win. Hemends
the George Washington. So there was a David Knight understanding
that the media was, you know, fooling the American public
back in the nineteen sixties. And it was being broadcast
by a United States Marine commandant, not some you know,
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crazy pinko, you know, demonstrating, but a commandant was saying,
the Vietnamese are never going to give up. We're going
to lose. He said, the Vietnam War is not worth
one of our deaths. Yes, this was coming from a
military man, and he was right. But Washington wouldn't listen
because Brown and Root, which became Haliburton Lockheed, you know,
(23:45):
they made out Vietnam was a tragedy for them. It
was a profit center.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
When I was looking at it as a as a
young teen and then on into high school, it looked
to me like, you know, the military industrial complex using
it to practice and develop weapons. I mean, I could
see that even when I was in high school. These
guys are making a killing from this stuff, and they're
using it to as a testing ground for their military
(24:12):
hardware that they want to sell. Yes, and that seemed
like all it was to me, you know when I
looked at that. It's absolutely insane how we have been manipulated,
controlled and misguided by these people who are the leaders
that are there, and they still keep doing the same
thing over and over again. Now you've got a fictional character.
I think it's the mother of the main American character
(24:35):
of the Marine and she kind of goes through this
transformation that I think a lot of people in America did.
I remember when it first started. You know, my family's conservative,
so they would yeah, this is, you know, going to
make the world say for democracy type of thing. And
then gradually they started to understand what this war was
really about. And I think you've got a character that
represents that in the Mother. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Betty. Betty is the mother of Chip, and she, you know,
is college educated. She's from Minnesota and a wonderful woman.
Gives her son to the United States Marine Corps. And
then a guy, a funny guy by the name of
Muhammad Ali says, I'm not going to kill brown people.
(25:19):
You know, this is an immoral war. And what she's
shocked by is that the media doesn't report his words.
And she finds his words from a friend and she's like,
why isn't Walter Cronkite saying why Muhammad Ali won't go?
And then a guy by the name of doctor Martin
(25:40):
Luther King stands up in Riverside Church and says, the
United States government is the biggest purveyor of violence in
the world. This we are supporting a dictatorship. Ho Chi
Minh is the George Washington we cannot win. One hundred
and fifty three newspaper criticize doctor King. But the key
(26:04):
is nobody read doctor King's speech because the Washington Post,
New York Times AP nobody would reprint it because it
was the truth. And guess what, Doctor King got a
bullet in the head one year to the day of
that anti Vietnam speech.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
This wakes they really don't go not too concerned about
killing people, are they? I mean, you know, it can
be one on one or it can be tens of
thousands of people.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, And this wakes Betty up, and Betty slowly begins
with a friend of hers who's a librarian, to see that.
Oh my god, she's she's supporting this violence unconsciously. She
doesn't know that she gave her son to this wrong cause.
And of course her son comes back damaged, like so
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many of all of them. You know, my father, he's
a symbol of heroism. Donald Trump has got my dad
right behind him. If you look at a shot of
Trump in the Oval Office, the Egogima statue is right
behind him. My father cried in his sleep for the
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first four years of his marriage. I learned that after
he died. My mom told me, you know, this is war.
We have got to stop talking about heroism and start
to own up to if you want to go to war,
let's have the Trump kids go first. And then you know,
the grandkids of Marco Rubio and Pete Haigseth must have somebody,
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you know, send them off first. My dad was on
Ewo Jima and there were colonels in front of them.
There were colonels getting shot. Come on, boys, they were
leading from the front in Vietnam. The colonels were in
helicopters and in the back. Boys, you go out there.
The military changed after World War two and we still
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have not righted it.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, leading from the rear, except that you know, Trump
put out that picture of him as the Robert Duval
character and apocalypse. Now It's like, if that isn't disturbing,
I don't know what is.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
If he sees himself that way, a guy who has
never been to war and he's going to be the
guy quarterbacking this from the back end, and when you
look at just the disconnect that is there and the
lack of depth as he talked to these generals that
he summoned in there, well, it's truly is amazing, and
(28:41):
it really is something I think the.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
People need to pull back and take a look at
what a just war is, and they need to look
at our history of idiotic aggression. I mean, we're about
to do this again in several different places. I mean,
they want to go into Venezuela, they would like to
get involved. I think in Iran. Will you talk about
a quagmire in Iran? As large as that country is
and the history that that we've had with them, a
(29:06):
lot of pent up anger because of what the CIA
has done in Iran for a very long time. We
just don't seem to learn those lessons, and it's a
very important lesson to learn, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Well, why can't we learn those lessons? You know you
should be broadcasts, you know, Prime Time, But you're telling
the truth. So I mean, you know what you say
about Iran. I lived in Iran. Iranians saved my life.
I learned that Iran is Persia. Iran is not you know,
(29:41):
Iran is not in bombing Baltimore. You know, China is
not in San Francisco Bay, we could we have. I'm
out here in Mauritius, in the middle of the Indian Ocean,
and at night I can almost hear all the billions
of dollars of equipment that America is prepositioning here to
bomb Ran. Like why, why, let's stop it. Let's make
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Chicago great, you know, put the money in Saint Louis
rather than out here in Diego, Garcia. But this is
what the book is about. That's why Oliver Stone said,
if we knew what I found out in Precious Freedom,
mothers would have never given their kids to go to
Iraq in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yes, we need to be skeptical of what the government
is telling us when it gets us into these wars
and now I'm afraid they were probably going to say,
and if you know, people had known this, we wouldn't
have gotten involved in Venezuela and Iran and start, you know,
a war with China and Ukraine and all these other
things that we're trying to escalate. Look at how many
different theaters we're in right now, and these are big fights.
(30:49):
And I think it was Colonel Douglas McGregor said, we're
really picking fights that you know, we can't cash these
checks essentially to paraphrase what he had to say, we're
still doing that everywhere. It's incredibly bad leadership that we
have civilian as well as military.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
That's the story of precious freedom.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That the reason I'm talking about the book, and I'm
so grateful that you're getting it out there, is it's
not just it's not a book about the Vietnam War.
It's a book about America, American media, how we are
being fooled the military industrial complex, you know, and how
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the world sees us, and how we're taking our innocent
sons and daughters and whipping them into these froths of
what we call patriotism and sending them over to situations
that they cannot win in. So, you know, but again
it took me ten years to figure it out Vietnam.
(31:55):
You know, I thought of Vietnam as some dark place,
you know, the jungles, and they're growing by eight percent
a year. The Vietnamese are confident, they will welcome you
if you go there. And I realized Vietnam War was
a tragedy for them, but it was a victory. They won.
They have the confidence of winners. And you know, I
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tipped my hat to all the American Vietnam veterans. They
did a They did what they were trained to do.
The problem was our leaders put him in a jar
that was impossible to break out a situation, and we
lied and lied and lied. I believed all. You know,
(32:38):
I'm seventy one now, I believed many of these lies
till I was, you know, fifty three and went to Vietnam.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Let me ask you about Walter cronkaye. Could you mentioned
him a couple of times? And you know, Operation mocking
Bird was very prevalent. Then we know that he was
very friendly to the CIA narratives and stuff like that.
But at the same time as that was happening, I
heard criticism from the rights saying, you know, he's going
to cause us to lose a war because he's reading
the names of the men every night that are killed
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in this war. What is your take on how that
was that part of the propaganda the Kronkite.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
To Kronkkite, you know, it's just like all our prostitutes
right now, They successfully, you know, go down the line
so that the CIA will keep them, you know, in
the chair, and they appear to be you know, all
this war, you know, people are dying. Walter Kronkite was
(33:36):
went to Vietnam a number of times. He knew William
Colby of the CIA, who was running the CIA operations.
William Colby later admitted that the United States secretly the
CIA kidnapped eighty thousand innocent civilians, tortured him, tortured him,
killed them eighty thousand. He's admitted this to Walter Cronkite,
(34:02):
David Alberson. All these guys knew what was happening. It
was a torture program. We had torture centers all over
South Vietnam. They knew, you know, but they didn't admit
that we bombed Laos. There was an airport in Laos,
That was the busiest airport in the world in the
middle sixties. Where was Walter Cronkite. Yeah, William west Moreland.
(34:27):
General Wes Moreland was probably the biggest opium dealer of
the nineteen sixties, running opium through the Saigon airport out
to that was the French connection out to the Mediterranean,
washing the money in the Vatican Bank. This was all
William west What happened to William west Moreland after Johnson
(34:48):
kicked him upstairs, He went to be Chief of Staff
of the Army and he started to work on Gladio
in fighting the communists in Italy. This was a worldwide
opium network that started, you know in the Golden Triangle.
They shipped it out of Vietnam because we controlled it militarily.
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You're talking about billions of dollars of CIA money. So
Walter Cronkite didn't know this. Our top newsman, Morally Safer,
couldn't figure this out.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
It wasn't on the script they were given. Yeah, when
you look at Afghanistan and what's happened, what happened there
with opium stuff, it's amazing that we keep seeing, you know,
all of these different that how they've used the War
on drugs to fund their military operations. I'm thinking of
wrong contrat and other things like that. The CIA is
(35:47):
a whole nother story. Maybe maybe you'll do a book
on them one day as well, so you know, we
look at this moving forward. The uh, there's a lot
of a lot of different characters that're able to with
the fiction thing, a lot of different people stories that're
able to pull into a fictional account. That'd be difficulty,
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she said to do. Otherwise, tell us a little bit
more about the book and your approach to that.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Well, you know, mister Song was a twenty one year
old Vietcong leader. When I was thirteen years old, I
watched CBS News and they said, here we are on
Route nine. Route nine is the key artery that cuts
across the parallel to the DMZ, and the Marines are
out on Route nine. And I looked and I thought, well,
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my brother's Marines control Route nine. So I go out
to Route nine years later with mister Song, and I said, oh, yeah,
this is Route nine. I remember seeing this in newsreels
back when I was a kid. He said, you didn't
see us in those, He said, you didn't see me
in those newsreels, and I said, what do you mean.
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Your nickname is the Tiger of Route nine. Why didn't
I see He said, because Americans shot all the newsreels
during the day. He said, we were sleeping during the day.
A Chi Minh said, America has eyes in the sky.
Don't fight during the day. He said, I didn't fight
in the day. I fought at night. It's easy to
be courageous at night. So what I didn't realize is
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America never dominated Vietnam for a twenty four hour period.
I'll repeat that America was never winning, not even for
twenty four hours. Because every day at four pm, what
did the Marines do? They retreated and they dug a hole,
they went back in, they put wire around, they put mines,
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and they tried to get some sleep. And that's when
the viet Cong came out. They had specialists trained to
walk like spiders through these minefields and disconnect them all
and then attack the Marines at night. So after the
sleepless marine woke up the survivors, they couldn't go out
on Route nine. They had to have mind sweepers. There
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are all sorts of minds out there. The Vietnamese were
fighting at night. You need night goggles, night film to
see the Vietnam War from the view of the Vietnamese.
And the other thing is, you know, President Obama told
a group of Vietnam veterans, you won every battle. Well,
(38:28):
what are you talking about? Ho Chi Minh trained his people,
he said, don't win a battle. He said, We're just
going to ambush. If you knock off the pinky of
a marine, they'll report that home. There'll be doctors, they'll
be you know, tourniquets. He said, you know, you just
you ambush quick in, quick out, the three quicks and
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the one slow. The three quicks, you know, get ready,
attack withdraw, what's the one slow? Prepare? He said, never
attack unless you have the advantage. So if I was
fifteen in Wisconsin, David, I could figure that out. I'm
going to see this Canadian army moving in a bunch
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with helmets. I'm not going to attack them. They could
kill me, but I'm going to get them. You know,
when they turn the corner, they're not looking, you know,
sling shots, get them in the knee, run away, hide
in the bush. They were ambushing us. We never controlled Vietnam.
For a twenty four hour period. Wow.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah, that's very different from whatever I've always heard the line.
Like you point out, with Obama, he's not the first
or only one who said that. I've heard that from
a lot of people who want every battle, but then
they would turn away and leave it, you know. So
that was their best case example of trying to explain
what was happening there. And even when they put that
spin on it, it's like we had leadership. They could
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win every battle and lose the war. What's the matter
with this? But that puts a whole new spin on it,
the fact that there pulling back constantly, And of course
the Vietnamese understood that they were fighting a war of attrition.
And you know that's because he understood America and he
understood that, as you point out, because they had a
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lot of experience with other invaders. It's that war of attrition,
and that's how we always lose these wars, these asymmetric wars.
We go in and try to occupy a country and
turn it into what we want it to be. Then
it turns into a war of attrition. And that truly
is an amazing insights, very different from what we heard
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that's why it's important for people to see this book.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I think, you know, and I'm a Wisconsin talking to
somebody in Texas. If I could bring up, of course,
the number one game in the history of football, the
Ice Bowl nineteen sixty seven, Dallas Cowboys lambeau Field Vince
Lombardi bart Starr. If you look at the stats, the
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Dallas Cowboys rushed for more, more yards, they had more sacks.
You could look at the stats, and that's like the
Vietnam War. It's as if the Texas news media said, hey,
look we won that game in lambeau Field at Ice
Bowl for the NFL Championship. Look we ran for more yards.
(41:18):
Look we had more sacks. Look at this stat. Look
at that stat. But in the end, the Green Bay
Packers bart Star Vincelambarti won and Ho Chi Minh was
the Vincelambarti general. Zapp was the winning US general of
the twentieth century. And I'm not saying this to rub
it in. I'm saying it to if we had realized
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these things, and even if we would realize what happened
in Vietnam, that's the source. You know, folks, there's a
David Knight goal, and David, you and I don't know
each other. We didn't talk about this in advance. I would,
you know, recommend everybody right now take your dollars, go
to day night gold, get some gold. Why am I
(42:03):
saying that? In nineteen sixty six, the Prime Minister of
Vietnam told the New York Times, you're going to go
off the gold standard. This war is going to ruin
the dollar. He told that to the Times. The Times
readers in sixty six couldn't figure it out. Seventy one,
Nixon goes on, it's because of Vietnam. Yeah, the reason
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we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan is we didn't look
at the lessons of Vietnam. The economy, the debt, the
riots that we have right now, the government line. These
are all stories that came. You know, the seed of
them is in the Vietnam War, and they're in this
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book Precious Freedom.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yes, we keep making those same types of decisions. You
know when you talk about the general who went around
telling everybody that hochimenh was like George Washington, and that
really is the way that we won the revolutionary war
again defending your home. And it wasn't like they won
any battles. I mean, they won your town that was
(43:08):
like basically the first of battle that they really won.
But they were all wars of attrition and it was like,
you know, the British could say, yeah, we got those
guns and conquered in Lexington, but they got hammered the
entire time they were coming back. And we need to
think in those terms, and we need to stop thinking
like the world's policemen, and we just can't get that
(43:31):
through to people. Maybe you know, your book can get
that into people's minds, that perspective and how we have
just the wrong approach in terms of doing this. But again,
I think it comes back to the fact that and
things are only getting worse in this regard that we
don't have the proper kind of determination whether we're going
(43:51):
to get involved in a war. I mean, we look
at the wars that we've had since World War Two,
it's predominantly been because there hasn't been a real consider
or discussion of what's happening. We've been lied into it
and pushed into it by the executive branch and a
supine pentagon that is there. It's interesting that you mentioned
Wes Moreland. I didn't know about his involvement with Gladio.
(44:15):
I mean, I've looked at Gladio quite a bit, but
I didn't notice that he was there. And we should
think about that part of it as well. I mean,
NATO has got an unbelievable history when you go back
and look at NATO, not just the things that are
happening in Eastern Europe, but a long, long history of
false flags and things like that. Yeah, the book is
(44:38):
precious freedom and I tell you freedom is precious and
so is life, and we have allowed our government to
put them on a very low priority. They've got a
different priority. We need to start waking up as a people,
and I think the important thing is that we have to.
And you know, when you've got a fictional narrative like this,
(45:01):
it's very powerful because you can get into people's feelings
in a way that's difficult to do in a nonfiction book.
And I think that that ability to tell a narrative
story like that can really affect people's hearts and minds.
And that's what this is all truly about. That was
something that was a big part of the Vietnamese The
(45:23):
north of the Vietnam War was the hearts and minds
that they were losing, and we need to make sure
that they don't have control of our hearts and minds again.
And I think the best anecdote is to have the
truth presented to them in a very effective way. And
I think your book is one of those ways that
people can get that message out to people. Thank you,
(45:45):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Thank you for giving me the chance to talk about.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Well, thank you for what you're doing. I think it's
very important work. And I think it's important for people
to see this. And we all grew up a Vietnam
and I think it's also important for people to go
back and to question what they were told. And once
you do that, that's a real eye opening experience. And
so many of us have had that experience with Vietnam.
(46:11):
I who a lot of people who went to Vietnam
and they had that same kind of experience and were
severely harmed by that. But our country was severely harmed
by the Vietnam War. So again, the book is precious
freedom and people can find it on Amazon. Is that
the best place for people to find your book? Do
you have a website that you're sell it?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Okay, Jump Jump to Amazon. It will be you'll get
it delivered November eleventh. It's being you know, officially published,
but pre orders you don't really help a lot. And
it's you know, this is going to have a lot
of readership in Asia. Vietnam is not a small American story.
(46:51):
It was global.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yes, it should be made into a movie. I like
your other book was. I think it would probably. Yeah,
I think it'd be a great movie. It's the story
that really needs to be told. Who knows, maybe Clint
Easwood will do it. He's still game for doing movies.
He's not giving up yet of that. But maybe we'll
find a good director, if there's any left in Hollywood.
I don't know, but it would be a great movie,
(47:14):
I'm sure. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you,
James Bradley, And again, the book is precious freedom the
common man. They created common Core, dumb down our children.
(47:39):
They created common past track and control us. They're Commons
project to make sure the commoners own nothing in the
communist future. They see the common man as simple, not sophisticated. Ordinary.
But each of us has worth and dignity created in
the image of God. That is what we have in common.
(48:03):
That is what they want to take away. Their most
powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation. They desire to know
everything about us, while they hide everything from us. It's
time to turn that around and expose what they want
to hide. Please share the information and links you'll find
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