Thu Episode #2147: Thanksgiving 2025 Rebroadcast

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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Using free speech to free minds. You are listening to
the David Night Show.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
As the clock strikes thirteen, It's Thursday, the twenty fourth
of November, Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty two, Thanksgiving Day,
Day nine hundred and eighty seven of medical martial law
with an emergency. Is just a couple of years ago
that we had most churches shut down afraid to open up.

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Two years ago, a year ago, we had the specter
hanging over so many people of vaccine mandates. Many people
are still struggling with the toxin that was going out. Today.
We're going to talk though about the Christian principles that
founded this country. We're going to talk about Thanksgiving. We're

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going to talk about the real history. Forget about Projects
sixteen nineteen. We're going to talk about God's Project sixteen twenty,
the real history. Stay with us. We'll be right back.

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Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge
the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to
be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his
protection and favor. And whereas both Houses of Congress have
by their joint Committee, requested me to recommend to the
people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving

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and prayer to be observed by acknowledging, with grateful hearts
the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording
them an opportunity peaceable to establish a form of government
for their safety and happiness. Now, therefore, I do recommend
and assign Thursday, the twenty sixth of November next to

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be devoted by the people of these States to the
service of that great and glorious Being, who is the
beneficent author of all good that was, that is, or
that will be. That we may then all unite in
rendering under Him our sincere and humble thinks, or his
kind care and protection of the people of this country

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previous to their becoming a nation, for the signal and
manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence which
we experience, and the course and the conclusion of the
late war, and for the great degree of tranquility, union,
and plenty which we have since enjoyed, for the peaceful
and rational manner in which we have been enabled to

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establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness. And
particularly the nation one now lately instituted for the civil
and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the
means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge, and
in general, for all the great and various favors which

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He hath been pleased to confer upon us. Also, that
we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers
and supplications to the Great Lord and Ruler of nations,
and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions,
to enable us, all, whether in public or private stations,

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to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually.
To render our national government of blessing to all the people,
by constantly being a government of wise, just and constitutional laws,
discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed, to protect and guide

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all sovereigns and nations, especially those that have shown kindness
to us, and to bless them with good government, peace
and concord. To promote the knowledge and practice of true
religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them
and us, And to generally grant unto all mankind such

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a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to
be best given under my hand at the City of
New York, the third day of October and the year
of Our Lord seventeen eighty nine. George Washington. Well, you know,

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when we look at this, we talk about making America
great again? Don't we will God make America grateful again?
That was our first president. Very different from our last
and current presidents. Isn't you know? God blessed this country

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because people are grateful to him for the blessing of liberty.
Now he talks about year of our Lord? Which Lord?
Would that be? The Lord that we mark time from?
Lord Jesus Christ. So let's talk a little bit about Thanksgiving.
Let's talk about God's project, the sixteen twenty project. You know,

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we've got we have a PBS, we have the New
York Times, we have academia and media are focused on
removing God. A good example of that is this PBS
documentary to rewrite history, to take God out of the picture.

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Listen to this trailer for a very expensive and slick
production produced with your tax dollars.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
If you ask people where does America start, they'll say
it starts in Plymouth Rock.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
There's more to the story than the story.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
We all know, they were a very small group of
very extreme people.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
They weren't the people that you would.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Expect to be founding a new colony. There's a sense
that they came to America in search of religious freedom.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
They didn't the Pilgrims on American Experience. Yeah, there's a sense.
There's a sense, isn't it that they came to America
for religious freedom? But they didn't. Oh really, you know better? Right?
You know the problem is that we have the diaries
from the people. We have lots of original history. This

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is not something that we have to read tea leaves
or go through archaeological digs to figure out they kept diaries.
PBS knows that you're not going to read those diaries,
so they can lie to you about it now. That
American Experience quote unquote was done before they started the
sixteen nineteen project, I believe. So they tried to tell you, well,

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you know, we all think of America as beginning with
the Pilgrims, and for good reason, the Mayflower. But we're
going to tell you that all that was wrong. We're
going to remove God from the picture. And then with
the Project sixteen nineteen of the New York Times what
they did was they removed the Pilgrims in Mayflower from history.
They relocated the founding of America from people who were

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seeking freedom from religious persecution, who just sought to live
a life of independence with their families, away from religious persecution,
and they changed it to Jamestown sixteen nineteen Project sixteen nineteen.

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Why did they do that, well, because Jamestown was a
very different colony. Jamestown was more focused on economics. People
a lot of people who went to Jameson and it
was only after the initial first few years that they
actually started bringing families. For the most part, there are
people who are trying to make an economic start for themselves.
Many of them came as indentured servants. After a few years,

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they replaced the European indentured servants who could work their
way out. They replaced them with chattel slavery, African slaves.
And so that's what they want to focus on with America.
So four hundred years later, those who seek to destroy
our nation are busy destroying both its history and its

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Christian principles. And that America was shaped by Christian principles. Now,
the leaders were not perfect, you know, and they did
not follow those principles, but that was what they aspired to.
And look, none of us are perfect either, none of us.

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So when they go back, you go back and say, well,
look their theology was here or there, or they didn't
do this, or they didn't do that, or they kept
slaves or they did whatever. Yeah, they were hypocrites, just
as we are all hypocrites. But they aspired to Christian
principles and it was those Christian principles that laid the

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foundation for our country legally as well as culturally. So
today we're going to talk about Thanksgiving, and they weren't
going to have some best of interviews that'll finish the
rest of the program today. But you know, there's a
lot of different lessons that we could take from Thanksgiving

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and that have been done in the past. We could
talk about Thanksgiving and the triumph of private property and
personal responsibility over the tragedy of the commons. That's something's
been very popular with conservatives to talk about, and it
is true. You know, when Pilgrims landed, they went through

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some very severe times. As Bradford Another's point out, Look,
you know we nearly starved because first of all, they
came relying on God and not really knowing much about agriculture.
We'll talk about that in a moment. But they also
wanted to have everything in common. They're Christians, so it

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was like, oh, yeah, we're all Christians, let's not have
everything in common. And the problem is is that's the
tragedy of the commons. Nobody had the private property of
the personal responsibility to make this stuff happen. And guess what,
it didn't happen. And so they changed. Everybody's going to
have a plot of land that's going to be your land.
You're going to grow your food. If you've got extra food,

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you can help the people who didn't do a good job.
But everybody's going to work on this. That was an
important lesson. Russian Limbo used to talk about that on
a regular basis. That was kind of his take on Thanksgiving.
And that's an important lesson and it's a true lesson.
We could also talk about the peace and the harmony

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of different tongues and tribes to make a unified nation. Eventually.
That was the narrative in the mid twentieth century when
I was growing up, it was very popular America as
a melting pot different cultures coming together for a common
nation to build that nation that was the America of

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the immigrants of my parents' generation and the ones before that.
They would come to America because they wanted to join America.
They didn't want to just they wanted to they embraced
American values. They weren't just coming so they could have
the material wealth that we have, but they wanted to

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become Americans, not just come for economic reasons and head
back to wherever they came from, or not just to
take over, but they wanted to embrace the values that
they had seen in this country. That was a very
real narrative in this story. You could see the Pilgrims
and the Indians coming together. This is the way that

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it was typically taught to me in the government school
at that time. They would talk about how these two
different groups had come together. They would build and use
each other's strengths and build something that was stronger than
what they had individually. Take the best from each other.

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But that is totally different from what we're taught today today.
The communists who run our institutions are determined to enhance
our differences and to make us hate each other for
those differences instead of coming together and becoming stronger, taking
the best that each of us have, and creating something

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that is new. That was what America was always about.
But today every difference is magnified and used to divide
us because as how the communists seek to the story
of this country, so that narrative as somewhat diminished. And
they didn't just come together. If you go back and
you look at the history, they didn't just come together

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for a meal and then start shooting at each other.
They lived together peacefully for fifty five years from sixteen
twenty to sixteen seventy five until they had King Phillips.
Or Yes, it was not perfect, because human beings are
not perfect. There were encroachments on both sides to be

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flare ups and other crimes, and you know, within their
communities of course, But then when it was between the
two different communities, that's when things got a little bit
more complicated. But they ironed out those differences and they
had peace. Like I said, for fifty five years, that's
not too bad. That's a couple of generations. Do we
do that well? Today? You know, God never talks about

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different By the way, right, these are two tribes coming out.
You have the tribes of the pilgrims, and he had
some of the Indian tribes, several different Indian tribes that
were there. And the Indian tribes had differences amongst themselves.
They were not im a genius group that was always
at peace with each other either. And so you have

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different tribes, you have different tongues, and that's the way
God describes us. God does not talk about different races
in the Bible. He talks about nations, tongues, and tribes.
You know, Michael Savage talks about borders, language, and culture.
I don't know if he got that from the Bible.
You know, this is something that runs throughout the Bible.

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I don't know if he got it from that or
if he just got it from observation. Because it's true.
It's true, and so he could have noticed that himself
where he could have gotten it from the ancient writings.
But it's true, never less, and so God goes on further.
I mean, we don't have different races. He has made

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all nations of one blood. We're all descended from Adam
and later from Noah. So we have different political entities,
we have different cultures, we have different languages, but we're
all created in the image of God. We're all of
one blood. That was how the Pilgrims saw it. They

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sought to help people with a Christian religion by spreading it.
But we could look at that aspect of the peace
and harmony of different tongues and tribes coming together to
form a nation. There's going to be greater than the
sum of the two parts. We could also look at

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it as the historical significance of the Mayflower Compact, or
is it's more accurately described the Mayflower Combination. This is
the document that they put together themselves and they realized
that they were out of the legal jurisdiction of where
they were headed, and they didn't have anything to govern themselves.

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But it really wasn't so much a political document. It
was a groundbreaking moment, a groundbreaking document because it was
the first time that people had come together voluntarily to
create something that would eventually become the instruments of governance.

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You know, it is there as the foundation that was
later built upon with the Declaration of Independence and the
Constitution many other things. Here's what they wrote when they
realized they weren't a place that they had not intended
to go and that there was no contract, no legal
definition of how they were to operate. This is what
they said, So just keep in mind what the American experience,

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what PBS is telling you. They didn't do this because
of religion. Did they even bother to read the Mayflower
Combination or the Compact, if you will, in the name
of God, Amen, That's how they begin it. We whose
names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord,

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King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britain,
France and Ireland, King Defender of the Faith, etc. Having undertaken,
for the glory of God and the advancement of the
Christian Faith and the honor of our King and country,
a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern
parts of Virginia. Do buy these presents, solemnly and mutually,

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in the presence of God and one another covenant, and
combine ourselves together into a civil body politic for our
better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid,
And by virtue here of do en act, constitute, and

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frame such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and
officers from time to time ash shall be thought most
meet and convenient for the general good of the colony,
unto which we promise all due submission and obedience and witness,

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whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod
the eleventh of November and the reign of our Sovereign Lord,
King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth end
of Scotland the fifty fourth no domini that means year
of our Lord, sixteen twenty. So the Mayflower Compact is

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America's foundational document. PBS wants you to believe that had
nothing to do with God. You didn't hear anything about
God in there, did you? Evidently? PBS didn't. They have
a much shorter document that they redacted God from, evidently,
as well as from all the diaries and recorded history
of the time. As Wilmore Kendall and George Carey said

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in their book Basic Symbols, the Compact is a symbol
around which both the Declaration of Independence and the con
Constitution is built upon. It did not have a formal
title as the Declaration of Independence. It was referred to
by the people who live there and their descendants, as

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not by the compact, but by the combination. Let me
see when I was saying that we do hereby covenant
and combine ourselves, and so they called it the combination.
And that's how it was referred to by that community
and the people who lived there up until the seventeen nineties,

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and then it was referred to as the Mayflower Compact.
Many people who look at that believe that it was
that was more of a reflection of a more secularized
view of this. They could have called it the Covenant,
but I think they were out of respect. They would
look at you covenant as being something that was more religious,

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so they called it the combination. But bottom line is
that this is more than just about semantics. The combination
was really about creating a society, even more so than
a form of government the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution
would add more political theories and ideas and political structures

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at a later time, but that was really what it
was built upon. There was an interesting comment on all
this by a history professor from Hillsdale College, Bradley Burser.
He's a Roman Catholic, and he points he says, this
could never have been composed by anyone, but the most

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Protestant of Protestants. Indeed, even as a practicing Roman Catholic,
I have a hard time imagining the same scene being
played out by French, Spanish or Portuguese settlers. No, this
is one of the great fruits of Protestantism, and it's
probably one that we Catholics should take the heart, especially

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as we continue to struggle over issues or religious freedom
and freedom of conscience in our rather fallen world of
the twenty first century. He goes on. He says, importantly,
the authors of the combination never assert the existence of
a quote state of nature, you know, walking in obsien

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ideas that came later, by the way. Instead, they recognize
that they are beholden to Scripture, to tradition, to a
hierarchical authority, and to the English common law. And yet
they were not prepared either to destroy these ties nor

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to leave them out completely. Instead, they looked out upon
what they considered to be a virgin land, a promised
land of sorts. Here they could take the best of
the past, but they could implement it as they so desired.
Would it be good if we were to do the

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same thing today? All around the world we have statues
being destroyed, monuments being destroyed. The foundations of our society
are being destroyed by Marxists who look for any imperfection
or hypocrisy in the lives of the people who laid
down the foundations of our society in order to destroy

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our society. The wise path is to always take the
good aspects of what went before us, eat the chicken
and leave the bones if you will. You know, you
can take a look at Martin Luther King, for example,
and you could focus on his plagiarism. He could focus
on his infidelities. You could focus on what many people

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have pointed out, or some socialist tendencies of himself, or
you could take a look at his speeches, his inspirational
speeches where he said we should judge people by the
content of their character rather than the color of their skin.
Wouldn't that be nice if we were to do that today.
That is antithetical to what the left wants to do today.

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So we take the best from people. We try to
ignore the imperfections that are always there, whether you're talking
about Martin Luther King or Thomas Jefferson, we try to
ignore those perfections and take the wisdom from their life,
learn the lessons from their life. That's what we ought

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to do, but we don't do that. So he goes
on to say he was at Hillsdale College. He always
likes to do a lecture on the Mayflower combination. He says,
as I prepared the lecture, I racked my brain trying
to remember an example of another earlier assertion of self government.

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Had the Greeks done it or the Jews. No, they
had already relied upon a law giver. The Romans asserted
something in five nine BC, but I'm not sure that
it had quite the same texture. That's what the Pilgrims
did in sixteen twenty. I really couldn't come up with
a significant example. For all intents and purposes, the Plymouth

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combination is the first real assertion of the right of
self governance in the modern Western world, and one of
the most important in any time or place. As Kendall
and carry wisely claimed, the sixteen to twenty document did
not need to assert any rights overtly as rights. Instead,

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the very short paragraph the document as a whole is
an assertion of the right. It is a basic symbol. Indeed,
that's the name of their book, Basic Symbols. So it
drew on the religious routes of America that can be
seen in the Pilgrims in the Mayflower combination. Did the Constitution?

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You know, the Constitution begins we the people, and then
it goes into the purpose of the constitution. One of
the key ones is to secure the blessings of liberty
for ourselves and our prosperity. You know, atheists don't talk

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about blessings. You won't see PBS talking about blessings, not
at all. A blessing is something that is given, who
gives it. We have an inscription on the liberty Bell.
It's inscribed with Leviticus twenty five ten and it reads,

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proclaim liberty throughout the land to all inhabitants thereof Now
the context there of what was being talked about in
Leviticus twenty five. The context was about the year of Jubilee.
Every fiftieth year they would have all debts would be canceled.
All the indentured slaves, indentured servants, however you want to

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call it, would be set free. It was a year
of jubilee, and that was that inscription was put on
the liberty bell. Founders of America from sixteen twenty to
the creation of the Constitution, saw liberty as a blessing,
as a gift from God. They made it clear over again,

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and the second half of that to ourselves and to
our prosy posterity. So when we look at the Pilgrims,
we look at the founders of this nation, they were
very different in their perspective than our society is today.
They were focused on their children. Their hearts were turned

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to their children, And in the Bible we always see
that as an indication of God's movement and a people.
God moves them to blessing by turning their hearts toward
their children. That makes a big difference in the way
that you behave, the way that you think, the way

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that you build a life. Instead, in our society and
a time of decadence and degradation, people of our our
society have become lovers of self. So that's the kind
of society that the Bible always points at as a

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society that is setting itself up for judgment instead of
for blessing. If and when God changes our hearts turns
them towards our children, then he'll be preparing us to
bless us. We can see that in the Pilgrims and
in the founders of this country. But today I want

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to talk about something else that is rarely talked about.
Even in conservative circles. People will talk about the legal
issues and the precedents and the historical importance of the
Mayflower Compact or the combination. They will talk about the
peace and community. They don't do that too much anymore.

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Between the Indians and the Pilgrims. They'll talk about the
economic aspects. That's really where conservatives focused today, because we're
all about the money, right, Hey, it's the economy, stupid.
Everything is about the money. But I want to talk
a little bit about God's providence and care in this story,

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because I think that's the real lesson. That is far
more important than the triumph of private property and personal
responsibility over the tragedy of the commons. It's far more
important than groups of people cooperating and coming together peacefully.
It's far more important than any legal document, no matter

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how much of a precedent it sets. And that's God's
providence and care. So that was what was foremost in
the minds of the Pilgrims as well, And if you
were to talk to them, or if you read their writing.
There's one way to talk to them, if you will

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listen to them. If you'd listen to them, you'll see
that they're not bragging about what they did. They give
the glory to God. They honor God. They would say
that and did say it over and over again. Today.
In many ways, we are like them. We are pilgrims
and strangers on this earth. That is a Christian idea.

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In our journey. We also need to acknowledge how we
need God. We also need to look to Him to
provision and for providence as they did, and we need
to honor Him when he provides. So, you know, I
look at this and a lot of people in America,
we've had so many immigrants slightly, and a lot of

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people say, you know, they're hyphenated Americans or whatever said
in the past. When I first met Karen, she was
from New York and she was a second generation of
people who had come some of them from Poland, some
of them from Italy. And so when we met, she
asked me, where are you from? You know, so, what
do you mean. I'm from America. I'm just an American.

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I don't know where they came from. I never did
go back and look. I don't know if I have
any any physical connection to the people who were there
at the Mayflower, or if it was to somebody who
came later. You know, quite frankly, it doesn't matter. A
lot of people would get very precious about all that. Oh,

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I'm descended from so and so right, or I'm descended
from this person who was a passenger on the Mayflower.
What difference does that make, Especially four hundred years later,
any kind of physical genetic connection that we have to
these people has been so diluted. If we could go
back in our family trees and our genealogy and find

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a connection to it, it's been so deluded it doesn't
make any sense anymore. It's not worth talking about. But
there are other ways that we could see ourselves as
connected to them, and I feel a stronger kinship to
them from a spiritual standpoint, forget about the physical standpoint.

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Any of us, by the way, regardless of the nation, tongue,
or tribe, even if you're in another country, you could
feel a kind of kinship with them if you see
yourself as a pilgrim and a stranger in this land
who is dependent on the providence of God. So I

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want to just briefly go over you know, what is providence?
How did the hand of Providence guide and protect the Pilgrims,
What are the lessons for those of us who live today,
especially for Americans who seek comfort and ease above everything else.
And then how do we pass this on to our

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kid That's why I've got this thing up here. I
want to talk a little bit about what we used
to do with our kids. So what is providence? Well,
the dictionary will define it as care or preparation in advance, foresight,
or divine direction. And I think all of these things
are seen in the story of the Pilgrims. We can

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see the care, the preparation in advanced by God. We
can see his foresight and his divine direction. I have
a different definition of providence. I kind of think of
it as a chain of stealth miracles, things that you
wouldn't recognize as a miracle. They seem pretty ordinary. If

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you looked at any one of them, you'd say, well,
you know, or even just a couple of them together,
you'd say, well, it's just a coincidence that these things happen. Well,
that's really nice, but it just happened, happenstance. Now you know,
sometimes God will answer a prayer miraculously. Sometimes he'll heal
people miraculously. I have two volumes of books about verified

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eyewitness stories about miraculous healings. Many of them just you know,
based on prayer. You know, some of them radio station.
Some one calls in and they're a serious condition. They
put out a prayer and there's an amazing healing that

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happens after that. So God will sometimes do that. He
still does that, He's still in the miracle business. I
would I always recommend that you read diaries of people
who have been able to experience that type of provision
and miraculous work. But a lot of times it's just

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a series of little things that happened.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
George Mueller is a good example of somebody who had
was used by God. Sometimes, you know, he would be
out of money completely. He had orphans that he had
stepped up to take care of and he was absolutely penniless.
Orphans were a very big problem in Victorian England that

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Charles Dickens would write about all the time. He took
them in to feed them, to give them an education,
to give them a moral foundation. He took the responsibility
for them, but he gave the responsibility for taking care
of them to God. And so one day, just one example,
but one of the most interesting examples, I think, but
he had several of these. I won't say just this

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one one. But they had absolutely no money, had a
couple dozen orphans at the time. It got to be
a very very large enterprise eventually, and he never became rich.
But he prayed because they had no food. And pretty
soon there was a knock in the door and there
was a guy who's who just came with some bread.

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He had some extra bread and was so he just
brought it to the door, so they had bread. Shortly
after that, he gets another knock on the door and
there's a guy with a milk truck and it broke
down in front of their house, and so they all
had milk provided for them that day as well. Now
you could look at that you say, well, it's just
a coincidence, or you could say it's providential or miraculous.

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But I think you know, when we look at a
lot of ordinary things that happened, sometimes we can go
back and we can say, well, what's the chance of
that happened. What's the chance of this guy breaking down
in front of his house with a lot of milk
that's going to spoil. He just gives it to them
because he can't do anything with it. Or the same
thing with the guy with the bread. Well, you know,
either one of those things could have happened. And yet

(37:47):
for both of them to happen, and for both of
them to happen after he had prayed for food and
you know, for bread and milk, that is a little
bit different. So you want to call that a miracle,
want to call it providence. So, without going into detail
of the story of both the Pilgrims and of Squanto,
these are a couple of different stories that intertwine with

(38:10):
each other. That's one of the things that I find
interesting about the story of Thanksgiving and the Pilgrims. They
both went through tremendous hardship, and God interwove their stories
together to combine them. You know, we talked about the
Mayflower combination. This is the combination the combination that God

(38:34):
does how he changes things in their life, shapes them
by the difficult things in their life, and then brings
them together to build something that's even bigger. It really
embodies all of those previous things that I talked about,
but a much more important way, the financial aspects of it,

(38:57):
the combination aspects of it, the building of a common
thing with disparate people, different backgrounds, different nations, tongues and tribes.
So you know, when the Pilgrims came, they had gone
through a very difficult time of religious persecution. They'd been jailed,
they had lost property, they had to flee. They fled

(39:19):
to Holland. There in Holland they were left alone. It
was a very rich and secular country, very much like
America today and in that regard, so they didn't bother
with them. They frankly didn't care too much about it,
and so the pilgrim stayed there for a while. But

(39:40):
then they started realized that there was something that was
very seductive in this secular materialism there. There was also
an immorality that was hanging around. They felt that they
would lose their kids. So they decided that it would
be better for them if they were to start a
new life, a parallel society, if you will, and to

(40:03):
do it in America, we don't have the option of
immigration today, but we do have the option of being
pilgrims and setting up a parallel society. You know, the
Puritans had tried to purify their society by staying there.
The pilgrim said, that's okay, we're going to go do
our own thing. There are elements of both of those

(40:24):
things that we should and could do today, But I
think the pilgrim side of it is going to be
the most important. The parallel society. And so, as I said,
they had suffered a great deal of persecution, and then
as their journey began, there was even more persecution. There's
even more difficulty. They had three ships worth of people

(40:45):
and their possessions. One of them was not seaworthy. They
had to turn back. They had to pack everybody in
those two remaining ships. We have been to Plymouth and
we've seen the historical community that's there. We've gotten onto
the ship. That was unbelievable that they would have over
one hundred people there. It's like, I don't know what

(41:07):
they did. Was it like standing room only? Did they
stand the entire time? It was horrific. The conditions that
they were under, very long journey by sale, and of
course they had storms, they had damage the main mast
was broken. They nearly lost, were lost at sea, but
they were able to get this together with God's help

(41:29):
and providence and provision, and they were able to make
the journey. But then instead of being able to go
to northern Virginia, they were pushed ashore by more storms
into the Massachusetts area what would become the Massachusetts area.
And so they knew they were in the wrong place.
They tried to get out several times they got kept

(41:51):
getting pushed back and pushed back and push back. So
finally it's like, well, this is where we're supposed to be.
We can't get anywhere else. That's why they put together
the Mayflower combination. And then when they landed they were
met by an Indian. He spoke perfect English. What a
strange thing. They're absolutely amazed by that. And of course

(42:14):
the area where they landed another interesting coincidence, isn't it.
The area where they landed was uninhabited. The village had
been wiped out with disease. And the Indian who spoke
English was Squanto. His journey had also been difficult. He
had been captured, kidnapped by some Spanish explorers or tradesmen

(42:40):
or whatever they were, and taken back as a slave
to Spain. Eventually he was given to you know, he
was taught agriculture and some other things by a Spanish monk.
And then eventually he gets to England. He learns English
and he is put in a position of response ability.

(43:01):
He accompanies an English expedition to the area. They liked
him enough that they gave him his freedom. But the
heartbreak that he had was when he went back home.
Nobody survived. They'd all been wiped out by disease. And
so he's there by himself. But he's learned English and
he's been taught agricultural techniques that the Pilgrims did not know.

(43:27):
They were really more focused on why they wanted to
go and you know, for religious liberty than there were
the practical aspects of it. They were ill equipped to survive.
But God used the hardship of both of these, both
the Pilgrims and of Squanta, so they could help each other.

(43:48):
And you know, this is really the lesson of providence.
If you look at the words of the hymn, God
moves in mysterious ways, think about how this is so
similar to what the Pilgrims went through and squanto. God
moves in mysterious ways as wonders to perform. He plants

(44:10):
his footsteps in the sea and rides upon the storm,
deep and unfathomable minds of never failing skill. He treasures
up his bright designs and works his sovereign will ye
fearful saints, fresh courage. Take the crop clouds you so
much dread, are big with mercy, and shall break in

(44:33):
blessings on your head. Judge not the Lord by feeble sense,
but trust him for his grace. Behind a frowning providence,
he hides a smiling face. His purposes will ripen fast,
unfolding every hour. The bud may have a bitter taste,
but sweet will be the flower. Blind unbelief is sure

(44:57):
to err and scan his work in vain. God is
his own interpreter, and he will make it plain. So
how do we teach this important lesson? Over the years.
I'll just give you some of our personal experience. I
have people who ask, you know, what's some of the
curriculum that you use? And I need to get some

(45:20):
of that together. But there's always new things that are
being put out and things that we used twenty twenty
five years ago they're not available anymore. Focus on the
Family still has a great audiobook dramatization of the story
of Squanto. That's one that we listened to many times
with our children. But it's a story that you would

(45:42):
enjoy as an adult if you haven't heard it. It's
a great production. I would highly recommend that and I'm
sure that is still available. We also used and that's
why I have this up here. We use this box.
This is it's called Thanks Living Treasury and looked online
and I don't think that this is sold anymore, but

(46:04):
that doesn't mean that you can't do something similar to it.
It was. We'll get out the book here. It was
done by FamilyLife dot Com. It's division of Campus Crusade
for Christ and it is set up over a week,

(46:25):
so it's almost like a little advent type of thing.
Every day it set the kids down and you would
go over one aspect of the story. And we did
this when our kids are very young, and so it
has some little props that were part of it, but
you could make that yourself. You know, here's a ship.
We would hand these things out because you know, when
the kids are very young, especially with boys, they like

(46:47):
to have something physical that they can kind of you know,
look at and hold and it's a nice three D
thing here. But you know, you could give them any
kind of thing like that, you know, to represent the
ship doesn't have to be this particular thing, and so
that would help to focus their attention. You would have
you know, the day that you're talking about the journey,
you know you've got to ship here in the sea,

(47:08):
you've got situations where you're talking about starvation. How squanto
help them? You got a thing of corn. So stuff
like that was very useful. That would help you to
focus with kids, and as I said, every day there
was another lesson. It kept them short because they've got
a short attention span and you know they're not going
to set through a three hour broadcast of the David
Knight Show at that age. So you know, different things

(47:32):
like that and one of the things that I really
enjoyed that we still have. Oh there were also yeah cards,
Again you can find these pictures online, but there would
be you know, classic drawings of scenes from the Pilgrims,
the journey here by Sea and all that type of thing.
So there are things like that, and then there were

(47:52):
some every year at the end of each one of
these sections, you would have the kids, if they were
very young, too young to write anything down, You would say,
you know, what are you grateful for? And give you
different categories terms of what are you grateful for in

(48:14):
terms of protection? Or what are you grateful for in
terms of freedom or your health or your salvation, And
so you would put these things down. We would do it,
the kids would do it, we'd date it, put our
names on there. And it's interesting now years later to
go back and look to see what was happening in
our lives and how our kids perceived that. That's the

(48:37):
importance of diaries. I talked about the diary of George Mueller,
got a very detailed diary that went over very long
life and a lot of experiences. But if you really
want to be able to see God working again, because
providence is kind of stealthy, you really do need to
keep a diary. Talk about the challenges that you're going through,

(48:59):
talk about the things you prayed to God for, talk
about how those prayers were answered, because God is still
in that business and so all of those things are
things that I would recommend to you. But of course
for adults, the records are there. You don't need to
rely on PBS or the New York Times for history,

(49:20):
Please don't. They've got an agenda, they're not interested in
real history. But the primary sources are always better for
any kind of education, historical education. So you know, you'll
find online of Plymouth Plantation, you'll find the log of
the Mayflower. You find a lot of stuff like that.

(49:40):
Many other documents are available online. But again, think of
it when you look at the diary of the Pilgrims,
and how do we know what happened in their life?
How do we know how God moved in their life?
Was because they kept a diary. You'll want to do
that for your own life. You want to do that
for your own benefit and perhaps for the benefit of
learned to come in the future, to be able to

(50:02):
see how God worked in your life as he worked
in the life of George Mueller or the Pilgrims. So
I'm gonna play for you now what Benjamin Franklin said
as they were working to put together a constitution, and
he was telling the Constitutional Convention, he said, you know,

(50:24):
we need to ask for God's providence. God was with
us through this last war, and we need his protection,
his guidance in terms of putting together this constitution that
we're going to do. And after that we are going
to have some interviews coming up. I just want to

(50:45):
wish you a blessed Thanksgiving. I hope you enjoy the
time with family and friends. I want to thank Daniel,
a local friend who gave us a fresh turkey, killed
it and plucked it, and what we're going to be
working on today. First time we've done a fresh, not
frozen turkey, so I really do appreciate that. It's great

(51:07):
to have friends and he's kind of our squanto. I
just have to say, so, have a blessed Thanksgiving. And
this is pre recorded, so I won't be able to
interact with any tips or questions. But again we're going
to have some interviews coming up right after this. Here's
Benjamin Franklin and what he told the Constitutional Convention. Mister President,

(51:49):
the small progress that we've made after four or five
weeks close attendance and continual reasonings with each other. Are
different sentiments on almost every question, several of the last
producing as many no's as eyes is, methinks, a melancholy
proof of the imperfection of the human understanding, We indeed

(52:10):
seem to feel our own want of political wisdom. Since
we've been running about in search of it. We've gone
back to ancient history for models of government, and examined
the different forms of those republics which have been formed
with the seeds of their own dissolution and now no
longer exist. We have viewed modern states all around Europe,

(52:31):
but find none of their constitutions suitable to our circumstances.
In this situation of this assembly, groping, as it were,
in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able
to distinguish it when presented to us, How has it happened, Sir,
that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying

(52:51):
to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings. In
the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, when we
were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this
room for divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and
they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged

(53:13):
in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a
superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence, we
owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the
means of establishing our future national felicity? Have we now
forgotten that powerful friend? Or do we imagine that we

(53:34):
no longer need his assistance? I have lived, Sir, a
long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing
proofs I see of this truth that God governs in
the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall
to the ground without his notice, is it probable that

(53:55):
an empire can rise without his aid. We have been assured, Sir,
and the sacred writings that except the Lord build, they
labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this,
and I also believe that without his concurring aid, we
shall succeed in this political building no better than the
builders of Babel. We shall be divided by our little,

(54:19):
partial local interests. Our projects will be confounded, and we
ourselves shall become a reproach and a byword down to
the future age. And what is worse. Mankind may hereafter,
from this unfortunate instance, the spare of establishing governments by
human wisdom, and leave it to chance, war and to conquest.

(54:43):
I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth, prayers imploring
the assistance of Heaven and its blessings on our deliberation
be held in this assembly every morning before we proceed
to business, and that one or more of the clergy
of this city be requested to officiate in that service.
Benjamin Franklin, Thursday, June twenty eighth, seventeen eighty seven, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Analyzing the globalists, next move and now the David Nutshell.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
All right, joining us now is Joe Banister. I've interviewed
Joe several times, had had the pleasure to do it.
A man of integrity. He's a former criminal investigator for
the I R S and now he is an Agent
for Truth. That's the name of his website as well
as podcast that he has. Thank you for joining us, Joe.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Thank you, David. It's great to see you again and
talk with you and hook up with Travis again. Let's see, yes,
see his smiling face.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Great to have you there. Tell people a little bit
about where they can find you, first of all, where
can they find Agent for Truth? And tell us a
little bit about the podcast that's going on.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
Yeah, the website is Agent for Truth dot com. I
started out twenty three years ago with a website called
Freedom above Fortune dot com because I had to decide
what was more important, you know, so called fortune at
the I r S with a secure pension and paycheck,
or freedom, you know, for myself, my family and for
our country. But I thought Agent for Truth was a good,

(57:45):
a good little moniker there since I was a special
agent with the I R S. And I wanted to
be the best agent for truth that I could be.
So agentfotruth dot com is the website. I actually wrote
a book, if you don't mind me doing a shameless plus. Yeah,
all the investigating the federal income tax, the report to
the American people. And that's because in nineteen ninety nine

(58:08):
when I resigned, I wrote a preliminary report. So of course,
now that twenty three years have passed, there was a
lot more news, including criminally prosecuting me, stripping me my
CPA certificate, all kinds of fun and games that the
IRS can complete a lash out at. So yeah, I

(58:31):
have a podcast. It's actually just through zoom, kind of
a wonkish thing. We have attorneys and paralegals and we
speak for years. Was about the income tax. Of course,
in taxation. But over the last couple of years it's
been all about COVID because all the lockdowns and the
tyranny seemed to make the IRS maybe not pale in comparison,

(58:56):
but certainly set it off to the side, because you know,
it's like the powers that be were fine through the
monetary system and the taxation system harvesting us like silkworms. Yeah,
and then all of a sudden it changed to we
need to kill them.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Yes exactly, yeah, yeah, now we're for dinner. You know,
they want us to eat silkworms until we die and
they keep us in prison. I agree with you absolutely,
And you know I've said many times Joe that the
I think the IRS kind of set a lot of
precedents of having a bureaucracy that was a law unto itself.

(59:32):
And you know, Rampaul and others have in years past
would put out the Reins Act to rein in the
bureaucracy because we now have taxation with our representation, we
have regulation without representation. Nancy Pelosi said of Obamacare, we
got to pass it so we can find out what's
in it. They get these funding and they create a

(59:53):
bureaucracy and then they let them create the rules. And
then after they create their rules, you don't have any
resumption of innocence, you don't have due process, and they
have no prohibition against successive fines because they say, well,
these are rules, these aren't laws. You only have these
types of legal protections if it's a law enacted by Congress.
So we won't have Congress do any laws. We'll have

(01:00:14):
the bureaucracy create the rules. And so I think that
the IRS really took the lead in all of that.
But now it's been weaponized by especially in this medical
martial law that we've had. It's that same tactic now
has been extended to all different aspects of our life,
hasn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Yes, In fact, I was, you know, as I can
talk about, of course, as being criminally prosecuted. So they
actually went through the process of indictment prosecuting me, and
I was deservedly acquitted. We could talk about that in
a second. But in terms of the administrative state, the
way that I was stripped of my CPA certificate you

(01:00:52):
know that I earned from the state of California back
in nineteen ninety one, was through this administrative state. I
basically had a administrative law judge from the Environmental Protection
Agency to decide my fate in terms of a disbardment
from you know, being able to help clients before the

(01:01:12):
i R S.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
How did the how did they get the EPA involved
in that?

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
I you know, I guess he was the only one
available and they but I think I had a connection
with the Department of Homeland Security because I my it
wasn't a trial. It was more like a hearing was
supposed to occur on Coast Guard Island in San Francisco Bay,
and that's a military installation where you know, you can

(01:01:37):
only come and go as they allow you, no no witnesses.
They really you know, I called it the Shanghai on
CGI for Coast Guard Island. So I just just to
point out that that administrative state can really grind you up,
and you go through all these appeals and but it's
really not due process, not in the true sense.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. They really wiped out as we
saw during the COVID stuff. You had the CDC claiming
that they had control over foreclosures and evictions and things
like that. You know, it's just amazing to see how
they just passed the power around amongst themselves, and it
really is taxation without representation, regulation without representation, and of

(01:02:20):
course trials really without any representation or legal due process.
That's what's really dangerous about this. Tell people a little
bit about your process and a little bit about your background,
because it's been a while since you've been on, and
we got a lot of new listeners who don't know
how you went from being a criminal investigation agent for

(01:02:42):
the IRS and to somebody that they targeted.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Thank you. Well, so you know, with all the white hair,
it's been been quite a while. But after graduating from
college and recognizing that the accounting profession was quite boring,
it took me a while to figure that out. Don't
know why, but I also had lots of friends and
relatives in law enforcement, and so I thought, well, how
can I match this, you know, accounting degree and experience

(01:03:11):
with law enforcement, And so of course an investigative role
came about. So I applied to the FBI and the
IRS Criminal Investigation Division, and the FBI actually had a
hiring freeze. I qualified to be sent to Quantico, Virginia,
but due to a hiring freeze, it was basically in
this holding pattern. Then the IRS called and I you know, granted,

(01:03:35):
the FBI has gotten a worse and worse reputation as
the decades roll along, but back then in the nineties,
you know, at least to carve away a ruby ridge.
And as I say, it was an unfolding process. But
compared to the IRS, I thought, well, the FBI would
definitely be a better agency. But there was a hiring freeze,

(01:03:55):
so it kind of the idea of working for the
IRS kind of grew on me because it was a
special agent position, a criminal investigator, you know, gun and
a badge. You're working on money laundering cases, really detailed
cases with other agencies. And you know, I'm granted, tax
and accounting was my background, so it seemed like a

(01:04:16):
pretty good fit. So November ninety three, I was sworn
in as an IRS special agent and just for the
for the audience, the IRS has a civil civil functions
where there's audits and levees and things like that, and
then they have a criminal investigation function where when a
when proof of an intentional violation of a law can

(01:04:40):
can be you know, investigated. Then you'd have a criminal
investigator who would do that much like a police officer
who investigator. A crime scene or whether it be secret
service investigating counterfeiting or whatever it might be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
So the iOS does it have to be something associated
with a crime or is it something that is tax
was an evasion as opposed to you know, avoidance, avoidance, Yeah, avoidances,
I can't remember which it was, just like the approval
versus the authorization for the vaccines. So it's okay, and
it's it's it's part of the game to try to

(01:05:20):
avoid your taxes, and that's encouraged. But if you evade
your taxes, then is that when they get the criminal
people involved or do they still have for evasion? Do
they still have some of the non criminal auditors involved
with that?

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Well, that's that's why it's supposed to work. In other words,
if you don't have a men's rea, you don't have
a criminal intent, then it should be in the purview
of avoidance, which even the Supreme Court, numerous courts of
ruled tax avoidance is not a crime. In fact, it's expected.
But the way another mission creep for the I R.

(01:05:55):
S is even tax avoidance has become able matter, so
you know, something for people to keep in mind. But anyway,
the difference between the two is that tax avoidance is,
you know, utilizing the law as written to minimize or
eliminate taxes as much as possible. Tax evasion is knowing

(01:06:17):
that you have a known legal duty to obey some
law or provide such information and then purposely not doing so.
Willfully is actually the word that they use.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
So when we look at this explosion in the IRS,
and let's continue on with your story, I don't want
to get away with your story. Let's go back and
talk about your journey. You go to work for the IRS,
and then what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
So in nineteen ninety three, and I expected to spend
a full twenty year career there because as a law
enforcement position, it's not a thirty year retirement, it's a
twenty year retirement. You work fifty hour work weeks, so
you're getting a ten or basically twenty five percent premium
in your pay, plus you know, the extra pay for
you know, being a law enforcement kind of person, gun

(01:07:04):
and badge and all that. So I really expected to
spend a twenty year career there. And again because the
you know, you're investigating money laundering and you know, really
intricate crimes and you know, protecting the Treasury as you're
you know, you're thinking you're doing that, and and so
I believe those functions aren't necessary, and so my expectations

(01:07:26):
were kind of changed when about three years into my
career there, I was listening to a talk radio show.
And that's why I'm so people like David Knight are
so admirable, because you got those the truth pills dispensing
and big bottles. But anyway, I was an avid talk

(01:07:46):
radio listener, and so they had a guest on the
show talking about the income tax and the Federal Reserve
and all the things that back in the nineties and
prior to that were just thought of as oh, the
kookiest subject.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Matter, right, I know, I know, yeah, we would have
we'd run people for office with a libertarian party, and
we'd start out by saying, we want to abolish the
income tax and the I R s and everybody, Oh
they're just radical of these people, right, So yeah, I know, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
Yeah, yeah, the pioneers. Thank thank goodness for the pioneers,
the trailblazers. So anyway, UH listened and then it was
on a talk show of a guy that was always
telling the truth about every other thing. So I thought, well,
why would he lie to us? Now, why would he
have a guest on that would lie to his audience.
So that's what got me started. So I spent two

(01:08:34):
years off duty, you know, evenings and weekends, investigating whether
or not these claims about the income tax were actually true.
And the basic claim was that the i R S
the income tax was not actually required to be paid
by most Americans because they were no federal law ever

(01:08:55):
made them liable to pay the tax. And the i
r S's own instruction, their own regulations state that if
you're liable for attack, then you have all these requirements
that you have to follow. But it's that key juncture,
are you liable? And you know, nowadays any American can
search the Internet and search through the entire thick internal

(01:09:18):
Revenue Code. All guys like us would call it thick. Right,
it's just on a computer screen now, But you can
search through all these laws and find out, well, where
do I become liable? How does this happen? The IRS
says I have to do all these things if I'm
liable for the tax, Let's see where that happens. And
then Americans who do the research come to find out

(01:09:39):
that Oh wow, I'm I'm not liable for the income tax?
Is that some kind of an oversight?

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
I remember our years they would send out the package.
I don't know if they do this anymore, but they
would say, you know, the income tax is a voluntary thing,
and we really do appreciate you volunteering. And I used
to yes, that was the most cynical thing. You know.
It's just like you would get the printed paper maps
and it would always have something there from the governor
of whatever the state was reminding you that driving is
a privilege. Well, the I R s would always send

(01:10:08):
this thing out and say and thank you for complying
with this voluntarily. Uh what are they talking about? I
know what's going to happen if I don't volunteer. You
know they're going to voluntarily Yes, you hold me away,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
Uh, no, that's exactly. And that's kind of like you
know when they say the if you're blindfolded and you
there's an elephant in the room but you don't know it,
and you touch, and there's a trunk and you touch
and there's a big tone now and yea. So those
kinds of clues, even from the commissioners who would write
those those introductory letters each year. Uh, that's just one
of many parts of the elephant to indicate how illegitimate.

(01:10:45):
You know, the I R S is enforcement and administration,
the income Tacts actually is. And of course I always hesitate.
I'm not a I'm not like urging people like the
pied Piper go out and battle with the I R S.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
You know, Yeah, that's a problem. Even if they don't
have authority, they got a lot of power, you know,
and we see power abused all the time without authority.
I mean, look at the last couple of years here,
how they've abused there. You know, without authority, they've abused
their power. It's just it's absolutely amazing. And you're talking
about how thickets become. And that's one of the ways

(01:11:17):
that they can really control you. If the law is
sufficiently complex so that nobody knows what it is. Really,
it's the same as having no law at all. And
that really has been kind of the operating principle of
much of the government, not just the IRS. But you know,
they bury everything in so many levels of detail that
nobody really knows what it is. It's not a simple

(01:11:37):
statement like we have in the bill. Of rights and
instead they create these complicated for varications to erase our
bill of rights in our constitution.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Yes, and I think also your listeners and yourself will
be fascinated by this little little fact. I'm sure everyone's heard,
especially with the COVID, how people are accused of being
you know, mass misinformation spreaders.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
Well, the IRS actually wrote the book on that they
would designate people as illegal tax protesters. If you point
out an actual black letter law to the IRS auditor,
for example, they'll tell you it's a frivolous argument. So
smearing people with you know, labels like illegal tax protester

(01:12:24):
or tax denier. Really, the book was written by the
I R. S in the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, So
you know, all I had to do was dust that off.
Fauci could just dust off all those policies and practices
and you know, dismissed. Of course, thankfully. People there's enough

(01:12:44):
courageous people that they can be called any name in
the book. They don't care. The truth is the truth,
and eventually, you know, the purveyors of the lies start
scurrying for the for the dark corners of the room, like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Fauci yeah, and where at that point. Right now, I've
spent the beginning of this program talking about, Hey, it
looks like it's turned. They decided that they can't hide
the massive pile of bodies everywhere, and everybody's turning on
each other. Well he was the one who did it.
I didn't do it, you know that type of thing.
All the finger pointing is now started, which is a
good move for our side, as long as they don't

(01:13:18):
try to escalate this with some other kind of attack
or with a war to try to wipe all this
stuff out. But I'm curious because, you know, Joe, once
you challenge them, especially from the inside, things must have
gotten really bad for you.

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
They did. I mean, I was, you know, not to
toot my own horror, but in terms of awards and
promotions and everybody asking, oh wow, you must be going
to go into management. You know, you're just a hard charger,
and so everything was really great until I start. You know,
I just kind of raised my hand sheepishly and said, hey,
you know, I've been doing this research about the income

(01:13:54):
tax and trying to dismiss these claims by these so
called tax protesters, and sure, there's some strange stuff out there.
But you know, I'm a CPA. You trust me to
carry this gun and a badge around. These are the
things that I found. And you know, given that I
took an oath to support and defend the constitution and
you did too, you know, to my supervisors, what about this?

(01:14:17):
I mean, I really think I need to get this
result so that I can be assured that I am
actually abiding by my oath. And well, the answer I
got was that you probably already can figure it out.
They were not happy. They would not answer any of
my questions. They would not even address my report, which

(01:14:39):
is you know, the this is what evolved. But originally
it was a ninety nine page report provided to my supervisors,
just highlighting some of the concerning issues. And they sent
my inquiries up this chain of command, up to the
Assistant Commissioner for Criminal invest Negation, and the word came

(01:15:01):
back down, no answer of your questions will provide you
with the paperwork to tend your resignation.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
Took my gun and badge away, kept my pager for
a week. You know, don't call us, we'll call you.
And then I really decided that because I had a
really frankly a stellar reputation that if I stayed with
the IRS, then they would have made sure that they
ruined it, and then who would believe me? So I

(01:15:29):
actually resigned on my birthday February twenty fifth, nineteen ninety nine.
And I don't have any listeners know this, but my
birthday February twenty fifth and the income tax birthday February
twenty fifth, nineteen thirteen, we share the same day, So
maybe I was meant to blow a few whistles.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Wow, So did they just let you resign? And that
was were those criminal charges against you? Though? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
Yeah, resigned in ninety nine, and then I had, you know,
no mainstream media attention immediately. I mean, you'd think if
a criminal investigator for the IRS was blowing the whistle
that the mainstream media would care. Well, people thought that
in the old days, so that didn't happen. But then
the you know, the Internet was taking off in the

(01:16:19):
late nineties and early two thousands, so I was getting
a lot of attention. And then eventually the mainstream media
did pay attention to me. And that's another thing I
found out about the way the government and the media work.
They want to they pay attention to you right before
they take you down. Yes, so I was on sixty
minutes too. You know there's a sixty minutes and a

(01:16:40):
sixty minutes too, So I made it to sixty minutes too.
I was interviewed by the New York Times and number
of times, the Span, MSNBC, all kinds of media organs,
and I'm thinking, wow, you know they're actually paying attention
to not to me, but you know, to the issue.
I mean, we traveled to Congress, US, to the White House,

(01:17:02):
the Supreme Court, trying to petition for a redress of
our grievances, well in reward, as a reward for all
my efforts. I was indicted in November of two thousand
and four on four felony counts. Three counts were preparing
three false federal income tax returns for a client, and

(01:17:25):
the fourth count, for good measure, was conspiracy to defraud
the United States of America. So my trial was in
June of two thousand and five. I had about seven
months to prepare and know I was looking at I
don't know, anywhere from probably three to five six years
in federal prison if I was convicted. And you know,

(01:17:46):
the basic premise was that I prepared these tax returns
on behalf of a client he was he had already
paid taxes and was seeking a refund, and there's a
process that you follow, and that's why he hired me
to make sure that we followed the process to the letter.
But you know, as I mentioned about tax avoidance and
tax evasion, they can turn tax avoidance seeking a refund,

(01:18:10):
for example, into a crime, and so they call it
false false refund claim. I was the one that prepared
the tax return, so therefore I conspired with the client.
Of course, none of that was true. They didn't even
their experts on the witness stand. My attorneys walk them
through just about every line of the tax returns and said,

(01:18:32):
you know, is this line false? Is this line false?
Is this line false? And there was nothing false about them,
And so the juries kind of scratching their heads, like
why is this guy being prosecuted. The prosecution can't even
tell us he did anything bad. So I was acquitted
in June A, two thousand and five of those charges,

(01:18:54):
and then, of course the whole IRIS civil function descended
upon me with audits and and then the the CPA
disbarment thing was percolating along and of course, that's one
of the many reasons why I don't, you know, act
like the pied Piper's telling people, hey, go battle with

(01:19:15):
the I R S. Because I just don't think most
people are. I wasn't even really equipped for it. But
you know, I just reach out to the Lord and
know that he'll he'll protect you, and not necessarily from
pain or suffering, but in terms of protection of your
soul and you know, your your desire for truth.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yes, that's right. That is the thing that matters, and
that is the final court and judgment that matters, and
that's what gives us the leverage to make these kinds
of changes. Well, you know, I really and I understand
because I have. I've talked to people who went to
battle with the I R S. A new one guy
who went to prison, and his you know what happened

(01:19:57):
to him in trial was he went in he thought
he found something in the law that you know, shut
everything down, and so he was going to make that
the issue at the trial and he brings up he goes,
what about this. I said, now we're not going to
talk about that next question, you know, and that was it.
And yeah, he couldn't even find anybody who's going to
represent him, so he does it, you know, himself. And

(01:20:18):
they wouldn't answer the first question. They just shut everything
down and wouldn't consider anything. Did they try to with
your situation? They tried to bring enough charges that they
offered you a plea bargain instead of having a jury trial.
Was that, you know?

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
Interestingly, and according to my attorneys who had had much
more experience with trials and please, they never offered me
a plea. It's almost like they knew what fingers I
would show them if they had.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Done that bother with it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:50):
But they said it was really unprecedented that there wasn't
even a plea offer. So they must have done some
kind of study of my personality or something that you know,
I granted. You know, there's people that are guilty of
crimes that say, you know, I didn't do it, But
I didn't. There was nothing untoward at all. You know,

(01:21:13):
I wouldn't sign a document and a penalty perjury unless
I knew that it was true, correct and complete. And
of course the trial proved that they all were, but
they charged me anyway. In fact, the special agent that
I used to work with who investigated me, I have
it from a very good source that he actually recommended
that I not be prosecuted. And when a special agent,

(01:21:35):
actually any investigator does an investigation, it's not a foregone
conclusion that they're going to find that there's a crime granted, jury,
grand juries and diet ham sandwiches, et cetera. But there
is actually you come to the end of the road
and the investigator is supposed to give it a recommendation
should there be prosecution or not. And I've never been

(01:21:56):
able to get my hands on the report, but a
very reliable so are said that the special agent actually
recommended that I not be prosecuted because he could not find,
you know, evidence that the elements of the crime had
been satisfied. And yet the the DOJ, the i R S,
you know, all the bureaucracy decided, well, we're going to

(01:22:17):
prosecute him anyway, because we can't have this wayward guy
telling the public that there might be an alternative to
you know, our government position.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Just just pure vindictiveness. And of course the reason that
they'll do that is because they don't want to They
didn't want to lose a trial, you know, and so
they're looking a lot of you know, what they do
with the grand jury is to judge the strength of
their case, and so you know they don't Nobody wants
to go into this as an investigator or a prosecutor
or whatever and lose, and so that's why they make

(01:22:51):
those types of recommendations. But the higher ups just wanted
to get even with that. Tell us a little bit
about your take on what is happening with this expansion
of the I r S. Because now with this new
bill that just got passed, they're going to take the
budget that is currently twelve billion dollars and they're going
to add eighty billion dollars to it. So it's going
to be, you know, about seven and a half times

(01:23:11):
bigger than it is right now. From having been there
in the past, how do you think this is going
to play out? I mean, there's been a lot of
talk Joe about the IRS agents who are carrying guns
and that type of thing. I know there'll be a
lot of agents that'll just be doing audits, like from
a CPA standpoint, But how do you think this is

(01:23:32):
going to play out in terms of how it's going
to affect us as individuals.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
Well, I could start with the criminal investigation component, just
because I'm most familiar with that. But when I was,
when I was with the IRS, there was I think
between twenty eight hundred and three thousand IRS special agents
and now, or at least until this bill and the
preparations for it's about three hundred, so the head count

(01:24:02):
actually went down by about seven hundred. I think even
Hino Republicans were hesitant to you know, beef up budgets
for the IRS because you know, the public, at least
they're gonna that kind of information is gonna going to
percolate down to the average joe. So what's amazing though,

(01:24:25):
is now, of course, with a barely you know, democratically
controlled Congress and a president that will sign the bill,
this was basically their only chance to do what they've
probably wanted to do for you know, thirty forty years,
to really just just pad in the billions and have
all the personnel because the ultimate the ultimate goal really

(01:24:48):
is fear so that people self well, just like self censorship, right,
they self report, they pay more, they don't fight a
notice that that's erroneous telling them that they own more taxes.
They want to cultivate that fear so they get the
compliance without really having to do anything that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
And it's been very effective. I mean when we look
at an army of eighty seven thousand new agents, not
all of them carrying guns, but you can destroy somebody's
life with a pencil on the paper, right. And so
when you look at that being unleashed on people, and
when you look at the idea that the Democrats want
to raise taxes and for the most part, even though

(01:25:30):
there were some corporate taxes in there that got raised,
for the most part, they want to raise the revenue
by squeezing it out of people with the current tax law,
by using the IRS. I think that's the thing that
is really concerning and intimidating and designed to intimidate.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
People, right, And they're really effective at using little buzz
phrases like tax the rich, pay your fair share, and
you know these Pavlovian they get the Pavlovian response. You know,
when you're you have to be afraid that in a jury.
Thankfully I didn't have such a jury. I had a
thinking jury. But the jury that's like, well I got

(01:26:08):
to pay my fair share, he got to pay his,
and they configu you you know over that as opposed
to whether you actually violated a law. But the yeah,
the intimidation is is the go to way that they
get things done. I guess what I'm concerned about is, well,
for what the good news? I'll say, first, it's going

(01:26:29):
to take quite a bit of time to ramp up
to on board. Even if they do have the budget
for eighty seven thousand new people, it's going to take
a few years at you know, to ramp them up
where they're trained and they're actually then making phone calls
and sending letters and so in the meantime, you know,

(01:26:50):
that's more Americans that can wake up and get the
law repealed or or take away their budget or h
And these are stop gap, right, I mean, obviously the
agencies shouldn't even exist.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Yes, And I guess that's a question. You know, we
can't get the GOP to do anything to really change
this structure. You talked about how it was created nineteen thirteen.
You know, what did we do before that. I've mentioned
many times that Thomas Jefferson said and bragged about in
his second inaugural address that they had eliminated useless offices

(01:27:23):
and spending in his first administration, and so he said
no American now, no, no American, no farmer, no labor,
no mechanic knows the taxman. They didn't have any internal
taxes at all. They had all the government was run
off of taxes at the border. But when we had
this globalization come in the early part of the twentieth century,
they started they completely reversed that to make this something

(01:27:46):
coming after Americans internally, that the internal revenue. You know,
they'd had external revenue. Now it becomes internal revenue and
lockstep of the federal reserve and focusing on Americans rather
than and you know, collecting the revenue at the border.
So I don't really think that the GOP is going

(01:28:07):
to do anything to even pull back this increase, do
you No.

Speaker 5 (01:28:11):
I'm just saying, like, you know, the ramp up will
take a while, and we just have to keep growing
our numbers. And you know, David Knight needs to have
ten and twenty and thirty million listeners and viewers, and
I would.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Tell them all that stuff if I did. Yeah, there's
a guy that's come out as a whistleblower in terms
of talking about how this is going to impact people,
William Hank. I'm sure that you've seen what he's had
to say, a former lawyer for the IRS, and he's saying, no,
they're going to focus on lower income people. He said,
that's what they've always done, and of course they're not

(01:28:46):
going to be able to raise the kinds of money.
And he goes through it. He says, yeah, they're saying
they're going to raise this much revenue. Well, there isn't
that much revenue. If you're going to talk about people
making over four hundred thousand dollars, there's absolutely no way
they could squeeze that kind of revenue out of them.
They're going to have to go to the people with
lower incomes. What was your experience when they would when
you were at the IRS, I mean, how how was this?

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
How was the split between the middle class and the
poor people and wealthy people in terms of audits, in
terms of the way they come after them?

Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
Well, there was the there would definitely be an effort
to go after the we call them poster children, the
Leona Helmsley's, you know, the and.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
There's always one of those every year around April fifteenth.
Isn't it interesting?

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
Right? Yeah, we call it we with Gallo's humor, call
it tax terrorism season.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Yeah, he's going to be the poster child this year
for you better pay your taxes, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
Yeah, So we always and there was there would be
an uptick. Like basically the management was looking even on
a smaller scale, not the Willie Nelson's and the Pete Roses,
but still on a smaller scale locally, you know, Okay,
timing of the indictments and the press releases and just
cultivating that fear. Of course they didn't call it that,

(01:30:03):
but ultimately that was just you know, they know that
they can only get so much enforcement out there, but
they know how much fear and intimidation they can generate
by the publicity, and so that's always been the priority.
But you know, I worked on some famous cases that
may have been famous around the Bay Area, you know,

(01:30:24):
or California at the time, but you had but lots
of you know, really people that weren't weren't very wealthy.
We're certainly targeted this investigation that we would do. I
believe they still do. You probably heard of the earned
income tax credit and every year of the Congress would

(01:30:46):
want us to go out the special agents because you'd
be knocking on doors. So they wanted to have the
armed agents do so, and we would find massive fraud
in the E t C program and we'd report it
to Congress, and Congress would just keep increasing the budget
on it everything. And of course you've heard about all
the Solid Security number fraud that goes on. I mean, literally,

(01:31:10):
it is such a pathetic, ugly, gross system. I don't know,
I'm still out at twenty three years trying to wake
people up. I don't know why the American people put
up with it, and I think, you know, if there
were enough we could change it. And so that's why
you and I know, beat our heads against the wall
just trying to tell the truth and hope that people

(01:31:32):
will listen, because in a sense, we're inflicting our own punishment,
you know, by not gathering together and saying you've had enough.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
I agree, yeah, that is exactly it. And they take
advantage of people. It's one of the things that I
think and others were saying, was that they typically go
for a low hanging fruit. They go for people who
don't have a lot of money, who cannot and they
guess they're not going to go out and hire a
lawyer to fight back against this like rich people would
and so they just know that's going to be low

(01:32:01):
hanging fruit. It's going to be easy for them to
get it. And we've seen that with civil asset forfeiture
as well, when they would go around Chicago. Most of
the cars and things like that they're solen, have a
low value. They're right around one thousand dollars because they
charge somebody if they want to fight this, they have
to come up with nine hundred dollars to start these

(01:32:21):
civil proceedings to try to prove that they're innocent. Same
thing we see with the IRS. Right, you're guilty and
you have to prove that you're innocent. And so they
take the cars from these people who have cars that
are only worth a little bit more than they would
have to pony up in order to contest this. And
so as a result, they just walk away with this
stuff left and right. I think that's what's happening a

(01:32:42):
great deal with this as well, intimidating people and especially
preying on people they know aren't going to fight back.
So what do we tell people? What is it that
people need to know about the IRS, Because I don't
want to encourage people to go directly into battle with
this corrupt organization that has a lot of power. But
what do we do in terms as citizens to try

(01:33:04):
to change this thing? What would you suggest and what
do you tell your listeners about this?

Speaker 5 (01:33:11):
Well, certainly from a you know, I realized the frustration
of you know, writing writing to your congressman and whatever
it might be because they won't listen. But you know,
I still think you got to do that, and you've
got to encourage others to do that. They have to
hear from people that they're upset. The other thing is
another thing is I would say, don't you know if

(01:33:31):
you can help it, find some time that rather than
watching a football game or you know, some pastime. We
all need our R and R. But learn about your rights,
learn about the limits to their even over the boundaries
of authority. What to do if an agent knocks at
your door? What what do you have to do? What will?

(01:33:54):
What can you do? Don't give them the rope to
hang you with it? And that that's probably the you know,
phone calls and UH house visits or office visits by
I R S agents. Certainly with if there's going to
be eighty seven thousand new agents pounding the pavement, UH,
they're gonna have a lot better opportunity to knock do

(01:34:15):
knock and talks. And if people realize they don't have
to even open the door. I mean, why do people
have ring cameras and stuff on their on their front porch,
you know, I mean I read I read an article
yesterday that was actually like a next door kind of
a thing, and the woman says, the man covered my camera,
so I opened the door to find out what he

(01:34:38):
was doing. Like what, you know, don't don't open the door,
you know, learn there's there's videos out now about like
the ATF you probably heard out there doing knock and
talks more more frequently because somebody bought two guns all
of a sudden, it's an arsenal or you know, some
some bs premise that they give to uh to to

(01:34:58):
to fish.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Yeah, I want to make sure that you still got
your guns, that these weren't straw purchases. That's what they do.
And it is surprising and people and some of the
people who did record this on you know, doorbell camera
then said, you know, I knew this is wrong. I
knew they didn't have a search warrant, but I was
so intimidated by it. And that's the way this works,
the way the irs works as well. And if they're

(01:35:21):
going to do that over guns, you know they're going
to do this with you know, eighty seven thousand new agents.
You know that there's going to be a tremendous amount
of this. You know, I think that's very sound advice
to know what your legal rights are, what their legal
authority is, before this happens, because again that once they
get these agents in it, it's going to take a
little while it is, it's going to ramp up exponentially,

(01:35:44):
and your chances of having an encounter like that are
going to go up exponentially as well. I've talked in
the past to a father who was trapped in this
CPS type of stuff and Dwight Mitchell, and he went
through the ringer with this thing, and he set up

(01:36:05):
an organization to try to educate people about what their
rights are with this, and that was one of the
first things he told them was do not talk to
these people. Everybody wants to initially talk to them and say, yeah,
let me just show you that I didn't do anything wrong,
you know, that's your first approach to it. That's not
what this is about. This is they're fishing for things,
and they will misconstrue what you're telling them for their

(01:36:28):
own purposes. So he says, you do not talk to them.
That isn't it a sign that you're guilty. It's a
sign that you understand what this process is really about.
And I think that's something very important for people to
understand about this new army of IRS agents that are
going to be knocking on your door, ringing your ringing
your phone.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
Yeah, I have your you know, I don't know, maybe
in technologies advanced quite a bit, but you know, you
can monitor your calls when they call on the answering machine,
and you can hear who it is, and it's usually
a telemarketer, but it might be an IRS agent, somebody
pretending to be an IRS agent. Even knocking at the doors.
I'm sure there'll be whole new scams of people pretending
to be IRS agents. So there's multiple reasons why a

(01:37:10):
person doesn't need to even open the door. There's no
crime against not talking. And you know, and again in
the meantime, spend some time, you know, maybe on my website,
I have links to other websites. Your website, listen to
your shows, because even when you're interviewing CPS victims and

(01:37:33):
AT and gun victims. It's really all the same. It
is dance card. You know, it's about you do have rights.
I mean, you know, as much as I've been harassed
over my whistle blowing, you know, I still had a
trial and there was a jury, and you know I
didn't have to in fact, I didn't testify and I

(01:37:54):
was still acquitted. I was able to remain silent because
the Constitution acknowledges that I have that right. So you know,
we need to use the rights that we still have,
to fight for the rights that have been taken away
and just just just fight, fight, fight, you know, the
entire the entire way, and recognize that the government, you know,

(01:38:15):
isn't your friend and the investigators have been looking for
more hash marks to get their promotions and they just
do not have your best interest. Now, there are some
you know that, like I believe I went to a
search warrant once as an i RS special agent, and
you know I was smiling and not like you know,
nasty kind of a smile like oh we're getting you.

(01:38:37):
But just like I had a demeanor like I do now,
you know, just like I'm trying to do the right thing,
and these other senior agents wanted to take a bunch
of stuff, a bunch of assets that weren't on the
search warrant to be taken. They basically just wanted to
just read these people by taking all their jewelry. And

(01:38:57):
I happened to be the asset forfeiture coordinator at the time,
and I said, we're not taking that stuff. We have
no authority to take it. And he says, yes, we are.
You know, I'm senior to you. I said, I'm the
Asset fourfiture coordinator, and I have to inventory this stuff
and explain and justify why we took it. We're not
taking it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Well, good for you. Yeah, So I sid forfeiture. That's
one of the big things that's come in and of
course you know IRS as well as the DEA, all
these different organizations are doing it. Now. We have in
California even a sheriff's office that is actually robbing armored
cars and the pretense that this has contaminated money. Even
though the marijuana facility was legal there in California under

(01:39:41):
federal law, it's not. So we're going to steal everything,
everything in your armored car it's just incredible what is
happening now. But you know, one of the things I
don't want to get your take on this, Stuart or Joe,
is that you know, we have we have a government
that claims that the deficit doesn't matter anymore. This is

(01:40:02):
a claim that was made during COVID by Republicans, by
Trump and the other people who signed on to this.
The only person who seemed to have a problem with
the three trillion plus expenditure was Thomas Massey, and they
were furious with him try to get him thrown out,
especially Trump. And so with the Democrats, they've embraced this
modern monetary theory and they're adamant about the fact that

(01:40:24):
the deficits don't matter whatsoever. And so then the question becomes,
why do we even need to have any taxes? Is
it just to take away all of our disposable income.
I think that's one of the things that needs to
be pointed out to some of these Republicans. It's like,
if you guys don't really care the deficit matters, why
are you pushing us on these taxes. They really don't

(01:40:44):
have a rationale even for doing this, because they're nowhere
near balancing the budget. And they're never going to balance
the budget. And they know that. That's why some of
them are talking about having a constitutional convention in order
to try to force a balanced budget. But of course
that in and of itself is a very dangerous thing.
But they know that there isn't the will to balance
the budget. So why are we doing the taxes?

Speaker 5 (01:41:05):
No, I totally agree. In fact, here I was with CPA,
got hired by the I R S and all these
things that I you know that, as we joked, we're
out in the conspiracy theory territory. We're all completely factual.
As far as the monetary system. The real purpose for
the income tax to you know, kind of scrape off

(01:41:27):
all that excess money printing to keep inflation under control.
And when the government can you borrow endlessly from the
federal reserve to fund its operations. Why why is there
a need for an income tax? Well, of course, it's
because the federal reserve prints the money out of thin
air and then lends it to the government. And the

(01:41:50):
government's role is to, you know, the point of a gun,
bring the tax money back to the to the federal reserve.
In terms of interest payments, so you know, it's too
bad the public. I mean, there's some complexities to it,
but you know, books like Creature from jackyl Island by
Jedward Griffin, America Freedom to Fascism, a film that I

(01:42:12):
was in back in two thousand and six. There's all
kinds of ways, really simple ways on the Internet for
people to get the basics. They just have to take
the time to do so, I.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
Agree, Yeah, you're talking about Jeredward Griffin's book Creature from
jackyl Island and some of these other things. I think
we're about ready to have another resetting of the dollar
as a you know, in the same way that Nixon
took us off of the gold standard and put us
on to the petro dollar and that type of thing.
Central bank digital currency. And you know, when I think

(01:42:45):
about the central bank digital currency and their ability to
preemptively control everything that we spend and to be able
to confiscate money just a flick of a switch from us,
what happens to the irs when they go to bank
digital currency? Are these people going to become like couber
drivers when they go to fully automated taxicabs Johnny cabs.

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
Well, one thing you can bet on at least in
all my experience and research is that they're very forward
thinking in the government and so in fact, like in
nineteen ninety eight when I was there, they had the
IRS Restructuring and Reform Act, so the you know, the
oxymoronic names of bills like the Inflation Reduction Act, the

(01:43:30):
Restruction Reform Act, was not about restructuring and reforming the IRS.
It was really about hiding their tracks from stuff they
had done in the past. But they always put you know,
the pearls around the pig's neck to make it look good.
But I have a feeling that those eighty seven thousand
agents in this uptick and IRS, it's about being there

(01:43:52):
and being ready when the turmoil hits with the bad
currency and knowing that people are going to maybe not
pay their tax bills so that they can survive, and
they need these agents who are going to be there
ready to take your property if you don't cooperate, even
if you don't have the money to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
I agree, yeah, taking your property. And here's the here's
where I put on my conspiracy theory tenfoil hat. I
think that's what's going to happen, is this army of
IRS agents are being prepared to try to take assets
away from people who are going to be outside of
the CBDC. That's going to be something that people are
going to try to avoid, like the plague, even more

(01:44:34):
so than any plague that they that they invent. I mean,
I wasn't trying to avoid the plague myself because I
didn't believe there was a plague when it was going through.
But I think that when they push this CBDC through,
they're going to have to have two different aspects of it.
One of them is going to be Okay, here's the thing,
and we want you to do this, and then we're

(01:44:54):
going to incentivize it for a little while and try
to get as many people using it as we'll do it.
As we saw with the vac scenes, right, they're going
to say, well, this is great, you ought to have it.
It's going to save your life. Then the next step
is we'll have a lottery here, and you know you
have a chance of winning lots of money if you
take the vaccine. I think the correlation to that with
a CBDC will be that they will say, well, we're

(01:45:17):
going to make it so much easier for you. They
might even throw in some cash bonuses if you use
the CBDC at the beginning. But then you're going to
get to the point where they're going to try to
course you. And I think that's where this army of
IRS agents are coming in. I think that's a forward
thinking part about it. People are looking at this and saying, Wow,
they're really going to make our life hell with this.
I think the light making your life hell is going
to be using this army of I R S agents

(01:45:41):
to attack us if we try to have an economy
that is outside of the CBDC. Do you agree? What
do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:45:51):
I do very much, as I know you're on board
with this. We're Americans. We don't give up.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:46:00):
Might be collectively way too apathetic, and we've let the
cancer grow way too way too far throughout the body,
but we don't give up. And you know, people like yourself,
all the whistleblowers relating to the COVID jabs and the
gain of function research and all that stuff, those that's
from you know, brave people who said I need to

(01:46:22):
tell my neighbor. I need to tell my neighbor because
I care about my neighbor, that this shot is a
dust shot, or that this income tax is a scam,
or that the I R. S agents. You know, you
don't have to talk to them, you know, get out,
spend a little more time on protecting yourself and your
family because the the resources are out there, including the
David Knight Show U and you know, maybe a little

(01:46:44):
less of the football games and things like that, and
you might find that we can actually have affect a
change for the better.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
I agree, Yeah, I think it's going to be it's
going to have to be an education thing and uh,
we're going to have to warn people about a possible
possibility of how this is going to be used, tell
them about how this is currently being abused, and it's
going to be a life saving issue, just like this
vaccination thing was. We go back and we look at
this and it breaks my heart to see all the

(01:47:14):
people who have been killed and injured with this and
continually who continue to be misguided with all this and
continue to live in fear. And we have to push
back against this. And I think a key thing is
going to be educating people around us and our group
of people that we have influence with as well as
we can. And it's also going to be making sure

(01:47:37):
that we have good people in local offices. I've been
telling people, Joe that I think it's far more important
who your sheriff is than who's sitting in the oval office,
because that's really going to be more protection for you,
or it's going to make things a lot worse for
you if the wrong person gets in, depending on than

(01:47:57):
you know who is in the oval office or who
is even the state capitol. It's going to be the
local officials who will have your back or who will
be beating you on the back at a higher rate.
And I think that's the key thing. You look at
eighty seven thousand new IRS agents and yet there's a
lot more local law enforcement officials at the sheriff's level

(01:48:17):
and things like that that could protect us against this
if they understand that we're all in this together.

Speaker 5 (01:48:24):
Yes. In fact, maybe you've interviewed him once or more
than once, Richard Mack, former sheriff in Arizona. He's got
the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association or CSPOA, yes
dot org. And that's exactly the kind of at least
an organized effort. Any effort is good, Yeah, but that's
an organized effort to reach out to each and every

(01:48:46):
sheriff across the country, you know, excess of three thousand
of them, because one of the many things I admire
about you is reminding people about, you know, acting locally,
because how much you can how much change you can
really affect locally just with a sheriff's office. So yeah,
people that check out.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
And that's a key thing. You know, we can be
caught up so much of the personalities and the politics,
and they want to direct us continually to Washington, where
we have the least ability to affect anything because it
is so distant from us, and not just geographically, but
it is there's so many different levels, you know, away
from us that it is very difficult to have any

(01:49:28):
kind of a chance to change anything there. And the
whole situation is very rigged. Even if we want to
have an honest election, that's something that we're going to
have to work for at the local level. They don't
want us having relationships with each other. They want us
connected to them in a centralized way through zoom and
other things like that, rather than having face to face

(01:49:50):
meetings with other people. And that's going to be the
key thing. But I really do think that that is
the way of the most dangerous ways that this army
of IRS agents are going to be used, and that
is to try to shut down any alternative economy that
would exist. And I think that's going to go for cryptocurrency.
I think it's going to go for people who try

(01:50:12):
to do anything in terms of a barter and local community.
I think that's what they've got this army of agents for.
That's my just spidey sense about this, if you will.
Can't prove it yet, but I think we watched this
space and I think we're going to see some other
on that's coming. Well, it's great talking to you, Joe.
We're gonna have to get you on again. And Agent

(01:50:32):
for Truth is where people can find you and the
name of the book that they can find there at
agentfourtruth dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:50:38):
Investigating the Federal Income Tax the report to the American people.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
Good good, Absolutely, you've been there, You've walked the walk,
You've kept your integrity. I have the utmost admiration for you, Joe.
I appreciate what you've done and it has its own reward.
I know it's been tough for you, but it has
its own reward and you have capture integrity and that's
the best any of us can do. Thank you for

(01:51:03):
what you do. Appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (01:51:04):
I admire you too, David. Thank you very much for
having me well.

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site is junk science dot com and Steve is one
of the best researchers out there bunking the lies of
climate and the rest of this stuff and what is
going on with the EPA. So I want to talk
to him about several things today. It is rumored that
maybe as early as today, but sometime eminently, the Democrats
are pushing Biden to declare an emergency and to use

(01:53:18):
his now I guess the well established precedent of an
executive order to do whatever he wants, and so we're
talking to talk to Steve about that. Thank you for
joining us, Steve hey K, thanks for having I want
to start with something that you found that's on junk
science dot com. I thought was really good Conservative Climate

(01:53:39):
Class episode number one, and you said, you're watching Fox
News out Numbered and before we talk about this, and
you said, look at this clip, and what is wrong
here that is happening on Fox News That you did
an episode about the climate radicals from the UK going
from town to town and letting the air out of SUVs,

(01:54:04):
laying the air of the tires of the SUVs and putting,
you know, a flyer on the windshield lecturing them about
climate damage. But I'm going to play this clip and
then let you comment about what happens on Fox News.
So here's here's a clip that Steve mLOY found on
the Outnumbered show on Fox News.

Speaker 6 (01:54:25):
The eco warriors, known as the Tire Extinguishers are moving
across the US. In June, they targeted dozens of SUVs
in New York City, sneakily letting the air out of tires,
and their deflating tour is picking up speed. They're hitting
other cities like San Francisco, Chicago, even Scranton, Pennsylvania. And
the tire Extinguishers also leave behind pamphlets on the windshields

(01:54:47):
of the cars that they evandalized, reading, in part, attention
your gas guzzler kills. We have deflated one or more
of your tires. You'll be angry, but don't take it personally.
It's not you, it's your car. This is a machine
that just SI's life with terrifying efficiency.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
So I appreciate everyone's concern about people getting to places
in an emergency, but I don't want to distract from
the actual point that they're trying to make. Here, is
that peaceful protesting is that this would probably not fall
under civil disobedience is my understanding, But I'm not a
scholar exactly on where the line is. But I do
want to point out that there has been protesting. There

(01:55:25):
has been a tremendous amount of effort from youth, primarily worldwide,
who have called attention to the climate crisis, which often
gets denied sadly on this network. And to your point
about the can and the leather and that you're the
faster runner, I'm sure that's fact. But the idea that
we have a different relationship with art today.

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Not to say that I'm not wearing leather on my shoes,
but I just want.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
To about it. It's my property and you don't get
to damage it, and nor would I damage your property
ever in disagreement.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
I think it's really important that we make sure that
we keep this specific conversation on the climate crisis that we're.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
Okay, all right. So Steve malloy found that and he
put that out and he said, see if you can
guess what the problem is. What is the problem there,
Steve tell her audience, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:56:11):
The problem is is that you know, these four very
conservative people on Fox News point out rightly how wrong
it is what you know these climate terrorists have been
doing in England and have now brought to America, and
it's all indefensible but then, of course, you know, the
leftist panel member that they have on the show just

(01:56:32):
starts talking climate crisis, climate crisis, and she keeps saying
climate crisis, and how then she justifies what you know,
these climate terrorists are doing by saying climate crisis, and
so she tried to outflank them that way. And what
was disturbing to me is that none of the four
conservative panelists on that show you went after her for

(01:56:57):
claiming climate crisis. They should. There's no climate crisis. What's
the climate crisis? Describe it. It's summertime, it's hot in
some places, like it always is, and so it just
struck me. You know, climate is a lot like the
stolen twenty twenty election. Conservatives, I'm not really allowed to
challenge the basic you know, you're not allowed to challenge

(01:57:19):
the notion that Biden won, and you're not allowed to
challenge the notion that, you know, greenhouse gas emissions are
destroying the planet. And I just you know, it's either
it's either out of ignorance or they've been intimidated or
told not to talk about it. But I just find
it very disturbing that And I'm watching the news today

(01:57:40):
and it's the same. You know, we have these heat
waves going on in Europe and in America, and of course,
yeah it's hot there, it's hot here, but it's cool
everywhere else on the planet. Today's global warming is about
zero point three six fahrenheit warmer than the nineteen seventy
nine two thousand an average. I mean, it's not even

(01:58:01):
really measurable. Yeah, it's hot in some places, but it's
cool in others.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
Yeah. I want to get. I want to get You've
got some great articles about Lake Mead and about the
Great Salt Lake and all the different narratives that are
being put out there. I don't want to get into that.
But you know, before we get away from this thing here,
it's just amazing to me, as you point out, they're
not getting at the fundamental issue. They're looking at the
sizzle and not at the stake because they're focused on

(01:58:26):
things that are going to draw people in. They're focused
on things that are going to be sensational for the viewers.
And they're also, as you point it out, the fundamental
thing is not allowed to be challenged, just as we've
seen for the last two years. You can't challenge the
fundamental statements about the vaccine or what You can't challenge
the mask or them or the mandates. You can't challenge

(01:58:49):
ay these that's all off limits. So you can kind of,
you know, move around this and say things like, well,
you know, you can't talk about whether the vaccine works
or whether it's safe, but you can say, but if
I've had it, I shouldn't be mandated to take it.
Should naturalmutity? That's a side issue. These guys are focused
on whether or not this is as she falsely And

(01:59:10):
that person was Gina Arnold. I'd never seen her before.
What an annoying speaker she is, Well, not just what
she says, but the way she says that the vocal fry. Wow, yeah,
that's you know, but you know she is she's the
one who's staying though, as annoying as she is, she
is the one who stays focused on the issue.

Speaker 4 (01:59:30):
Yeah, you know, she's she knows that what the tire
extinguishers are doing is wrong. She knows that, but she's,
you know, none of us going to outflank them. She
knows that. You know, on that panel either has to
is allowed to or has to cut to challenge the

(01:59:50):
basic notion that climate is a hoax. It's a hoax.
It's not a crisis.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:59:55):
On that on that show, David Webb, who I love,
who's a very conservative guy who knows it climate is nonsense.
You know, he starts to sort of talk about ev
waste and you know, solar panel waste or something. He's
not talking about climate though. Climate hysteria is a hoax.
And if the you know, they should know that, like

(02:00:16):
you know, they know lots of other politics, really well,
they should know that. If they don't, shame on them
for talking about this but not knowing anything about the issue.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
That's right. Yeah, And they challenge her. She kind of
throws it out as I guess maybe a red herring.
You know, well, I think this is covered under civil disobedience.
It's like, you're not civilly disobedient disobeying the government, you're
attacking somebody's property. And he made that point, but they
get that's a side issue. The issue, as you point out,
is the climate issue. You've got a great article also

(02:00:45):
at a junktscience dot com. What is going to happen
now after this Supreme Court decision that says the EPA
has usurped authority that it doesn't have. Your title is
Scotus is crippled by But there's only one way to
stop them for good. What is that way, Steve?

Speaker 4 (02:01:06):
Well? You know, so Spreme Court said that basically the
Bidendministration cannot regulate climate unless Congress allows them to, and
in doing that, Congress destroyed the Obama Clean Power Plan,
which was regulating coal plants, issued in twenty fifteen, which
helped cause the destruction of the US coal industry, killed

(02:01:27):
fifty thousand coal high paying coal miner jobs, devastated communities,
et cetera. So now you know, where do those people
go back go to recoup their losses, you know, from
this illegal government action. But so despite that, you know,
Biden is set today to you know, announce that he
doesn't care what the Supreme Court says, he doesn't care

(02:01:48):
what Congress says. He's going to go often do climate
by himself. And you know, I mean, this is crazy.
We have a totally rogue region in place.

Speaker 2 (02:02:01):
That's right, Yeah, you're right. Actually, you quote the sixty
three majority that said Congress did not grant EPA the
authority to devise emissions caps based on the generation shifting
approach that the agency took to the Clean Power Plan.
But as you also point out, the Biden EPA doesn't
really care. They'll just find another way to shut these

(02:02:23):
things down. You know, when you talk about what happened
with coal, and we look at how this energy shock,
the fuel shock is just going throughout our entire economy, oil, gas,
all the rest of these things, but also coal. I
reminded Steve of back in nineteen seventy nine when we
had the opic shock to our energy systems. They were saying, well,

(02:02:44):
we're going to be out of oil and natural gas
by the mid nineteen eighties. That was Time and Newsweek.
I've shown that cover many times on my show. But
then inside of it they said, but we've got six
hundred and sixty six years of coal, and so six
sixty six right, so we got to get rid of
the coal. That they didn't say that, but that's what
they focused on first. Because we had so much coal,
they had to do that. This is a deliberate program

(02:03:07):
of shutting down our lives. I think I've said many
times it's not about the emissions. It's about the omissions
they want to omit all of this, yeah, from our life,
don't they.

Speaker 4 (02:03:16):
Yeah, And you know it's not at least, you know,
with Jimmy Carter. You know, Jimmy Carter was just incompetent.
But I mean he did do one thing, you know,
in response to the nineteen seventies or crisis, Congress and
that pass and Jimmy Carter signed a law that you know,
shifted emphasis towards coal for producing electricity and away from

(02:03:39):
oil and gas, which was very expensive at the time.
And that lasted until the Obama administration, which completely obliterated.
Now here we have another energy crisis, and we still
have all this coal, and we have even more oil
and gas. And is Joe Biden tapping any of it
to lower energy prices to control inflation. No, he's doing

(02:04:01):
everything he can to make it worse. He you know,
his if he declares a climate emergency or whatever executive
action he's going to try to do, he's just going
to make gas prices go higher. He's going to make
electricity prices go higher. He is non incentivized at all.
You know, his most important thing for him is his
climate agenda. The rest of us be damned.

Speaker 2 (02:04:21):
Oh yeah, Oh, it's a deliberate deconstruction of our society.
I compare him to Nero all the time setting fires
to burn down our society and then pointing to other people,
I didn't do it, he did it. You know, he's
an arsonist. He's an arsonist to our society. But you
you say, there's another case that is coming up before
the Supreme Court that is very important. Tell people about.

Speaker 4 (02:04:43):
That, right, Okay, So you know, like Obama did, Obama
was stopped legislatively on climate and so what he did
then was shift to the EPA where he launched his
war on coal and he issued the Clean Power Plan
and other regulations which were just devastating to the coal industry,
unnecessarily devastating, produced nothing. So now Joe Biden has been

(02:05:08):
stopped legislatively in Congress also, so he's going back to
the EPA. Now, what he's going to do is he's
going to try to control coal plant emissions through this
back door of air quality. And to do that, he's
got to have the scientific sort of peer review done

(02:05:30):
by a let a congressionally mandated review panels called the
Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee. Now, when Biden came into office,
he fired the existing Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee and
then reconstituted it. And the people he reconstituted with are

(02:05:51):
EPA cronies, people who have received tens of millions of
dollars in EPA grants. Now, the law requires that these
people be independent and the panel be you know, independent
and balanced. But of course it's not because it's it's
just Scott. It's nothing but these EPA cronies. So there
is a there's a lawsuit right now about this. It's

(02:06:12):
called Young v. E Pa. It was argued in court
in federal court in d C last December. We are
waiting for a decision at any moment now. Now, if
that decision comes down, it's going to completely stop the
Biden e Pa from this. I'm trying to regulate climber
through the back door of air quality. But we're just
going to have to see what happens.

Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
Now that's at a US district court for Washington, d C.
Is that a left leaning court. Is that likely that
they're going to call him on that? I know that,
you know, it would look a little bit better if
it was going to go to the Supreme Court. Is
that a court that you think is going to lean
lest however, and support Biden well.

Speaker 4 (02:06:52):
It's hard to tell. The judge we have was appointed
by Donald Trump, so that that could be good. We're
just I have you know, federal court decisions, regardless of
who points a judge, are often hard to predict. So
we're just gonna have to see. I think I think

(02:07:13):
the cases open and shut. I mean, it's clear that
e PA has illegally stacked these panels. The plaintiff is good,
he has standing. The judge, although he turned down the
plant's request for a temporary restraining order against e p
A at the time, which was February, he told e

(02:07:35):
p A that you know, E p A, if you
continue down this road, you run the risk of having
are all over. So that's kind of a good sign.
But we'll see.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know, as I've said many times,
when we put these things send it to a court,
it's kind of like a box of chocolate. You never
know what you're going to get. Right the Supreme Court,
you know, just when you think you got these guys
figured out, they go off in a completely different direction.
But you know it's now, I guess this this climate emergency,
and we can talk about how it is not an

(02:08:06):
emergency in a minute. But let's talk about what the
Democrats are trying to get Biden to do. As they're
screaming emergency, emergency, what is it that they're hoping he's
going to do by executive fiat.

Speaker 4 (02:08:20):
Well, I don't even think they know. And that's why, well,
that's why today, you know, he's going to be speaking
in Massachusetts about climate and they were hoping he would
announce an emergency but it doesn't look like he's going
to because he doesn't really know what he can do.
You know, he can, as we mentioned earlier, you know,
he can try to regulate climate through the back door

(02:08:42):
at e PA. You know, he could he could possibly
you know, do something to halt oil drilling, gas drilling
on federal lands offshore, on shore, But does he really
want to do that during an oil crisis? I would
be pretty you know, Biden says I'm doing everything I
can to reduce gas prices and it's not really true,

(02:09:06):
but I mean that would be really openly hostile to
stop oil. Really, I don't know, you know, I don't
know if you want to talk about this later, but
you know, the New York Times just released a poll
which I had to dig on their website to find it,
and I only accidentally came across this. They did a
poll with Siena College and reported that among voters only

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one percent, only one percent prioritize climate And if you
look at the cross tabulations in the age group forty
five to sixty four, it was zero percent, and among
Latinos it was zero percent, and of course among Republicans
it was zero percent, whereas you know, it's like thirty
five percent prioritize of the economy and inflation.

Speaker 2 (02:09:53):
Yeah. Absolutely, I've talked about this and the fact that,
you know, it's the economy stupid for the longest time,
we've not you know, this is the old axiom that
goes back to the Clinton administration when he was running
for reelection. He had the Monica Lewinsky scandals and all
the rest of this stuff and being investigated, impeached, you know,
and what was happening in Europe, but none of that

(02:10:15):
stuff mattered. It was the economy. But you know, Biden's
got exactly the opposite problem, and everybody is upset about
the economy. I mean, it is virtually they broke that down.
If it's the same pole that I saw, they broke
down the economy in about four or five different categories,
and you total up all the and those are the
top ones. And if you told up all those different

(02:10:36):
facets of the economy that people are worried about, that's
pretty much everything that everybody is concerned about right now.
But he's going to focus on the zero to one
percent concern that is out there, So hopefully that will
not work out.

Speaker 4 (02:10:51):
Right now, Well, yeah, you know, I think at one
percent that is you know, prioritize a climate. I think
they all work in the media and the White House.

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (02:10:58):
People live in a bubble that is unimaginable.

Speaker 2 (02:11:03):
Well, you know when they're talking about this though, as
you point out, they don't even know what he's going
to be able to do, but they want him to
declare an emergency because this is now the way that
we're all governed, you know. And I've talked about this
for the longest time. I got a clip from the
Russians are coming. The Russians are coming. Yeah, everybody get
from the emergency, right, And so this is the type
of thing. They just declare an emergency. Then that supposedly

(02:11:26):
gives them the ability to just you know, act as
a dictator, and so that's really what they're saying, We
want you to become a climate dictator. You know, Steve,
I've talked about this many times. I call it the
climate mcguffin, just like we had a COVID mcguffin. Hitchcock
talked about how the mcguffin was this imaginary thing that
motivated all the characters. Doesn't really matter what it was,

(02:11:47):
as long as people didn't ask too many questions about it,
you know, it just had to motivate the characters. And
we've seen this. You and I have been watching this
climate stuff for a long time, and so we've seen
how it's going to be global cooling, that it was
going to be global warming, and then it's going to
be just climate change. But it was always the same
thing that had to be done. And then when COVID happened,
lo and behold, it's the same thing again. And now

(02:12:10):
back to the to the COVID mcguffin. But they just
they want the emergency power because they have a set
of agenda things that they want to do, and that
one of them is to basically destroy our economy, take
away our energy and make us poor and depending on them.

Speaker 4 (02:12:25):
That's funny their agenda and I don't really understand where
where this comes from, but there is a large percentage
of the population that has banded together in a political
force that just wants to be able to do what
they want to do to anybody at any time. Yeah,
and you know, the rule of law be damned.

Speaker 2 (02:12:45):
Yeah, that's right. And they don't realize how that's going
to bounce back on them. That's on pointed time. You
know the problem with your having your guy be the
dictator is your guy may not always be the dictator.
You set up a dictatorship that's going to come back
and bite you pretty badly. Our old friend Ed Markey
and for years and years ago, it's been almost ten years,

(02:13:07):
the EPA fraud that was being done in Research Triangle Park,
and of course Ed Markey was just a congressman at
the time. He's working with Obama's EPA director Lisa Jackson,
and they were telling everybody that it wasn't just about
people getting sick, but more people were dying of fine
particular matter than we're dying of cancer. This is the
end they had scripted this back and forth. So now

(02:13:28):
Marky is a senator he's been rewarded for all that,
and he wants to Biden to band further drilling on
public lands as part of this climate emergency. I mean,
they want to shut down all energies, don't they.

Speaker 4 (02:13:40):
Yeah, no, it's it's really incredible. You know, we are
seeing in Europe, you know, this whole global energy crisis,
the war in Ukraine itself. Europe is going to have
to ration energy this winter, and it's all because of
you know, green policies, what I call climate idiocy. You know,

(02:14:03):
the only you can't have a growing economy and a
rising stamlimity a living when you try to constrain energy.
But that is what these people are trying to do.
You know, Germany has paid Germans pay the highest electricity
prices in the world. They have all these windmills, all
these solar panels, but in reality there's still a heat

(02:14:26):
wave over their emissions are going up. They've accomplished nothing.
Now they have to ration energy. This whole green thing
has been a disaster. But the leftist just you know,
they they can't give it up. And you know, we
have the same disease in America. It's called the Democrat Party,
and of course there are a lot of Republicans that
fall for this nonsense too, and it's it's really disturbing,

(02:14:50):
and I'm not quite sure what we're gonna, you know,
do about it, because it is quite a disease.

Speaker 2 (02:14:55):
Well, and the amazing thing is that this disease I
call it cancer, has really been as the size to
all of our vital organs. Right. It is not just
the energy that is vital for these long supply chains
that we have just in time delivery and everything, or
the manufacture or you know, using it for you know,
agricultural purposes and that type of thing. But now it

(02:15:18):
is metastasized and this whole energy war has become a
part of this Ukraine war. And so I've got a
headline here from artist Steve that says a heat wave
kills hundreds in Spain and Portugal. Well, you know, the
Russians are pushing this out because they've got Europe in
a tight spot as they are going to be withholding

(02:15:39):
the gas from them, and so this is just putting
more and more pressure on their enemies, you know about
energy and that type of thing. And so we see
how this is being played out, but it is in
so many different areas are coming after our food, our transportation,
everything in our economy, and it all comes back to
the climate change. And they're using that to attack car

(02:16:00):
energy production in our food.

Speaker 4 (02:16:02):
And you raised a very good point. You know, Putin
has paid climate activists to stop Europe from fracking so
that Europe would get hooked on Russian oil and gas,
and Putin funds a lot of these climate groups to
just you know, keep pushing the hysteria. And more than Putin,

(02:16:24):
you know, I mean it's China does the same thing.
Congress was investigating whether communists China was paying US environmental
groups to you know, wreck the economy. That's an old
that's sort of Soviet concept, wrecking the economy. But when
Democrats took over, they killed the investigation. But so now
we have you know, this whole ESG movement. The ESG

(02:16:46):
investors environmental, social and corporate governance like you know LED
like Black Rock and State Street, all these huge banks,
investment houses like Gold and Sachs. You know, they all
profit in China, and I think they're allowed to in China,
so that they pushed the climate idiotcy on the rest
of us.

Speaker 2 (02:17:05):
I agree, I agree, I want to get into that
ESG stuff. But let's not leave the temperature things just yet,
because this heat wave stuff we're seeing the panic of
you know, people are dying. Hundreds are dying. They said
heat wave kills hundreds in Spain and Portugal. This is
our t telling everybody. You know, it was just back
in the end of March. You remember, Steve, when they
were telling everybody, look that the temperature just jumped forty

(02:17:27):
degrees centigrade and the Antarctic and the Arctic you remember that,
And I was like, wait a minute, how could that
possibly be because that's one hundred and four degrees fahrenheit, folks.
And if that were to happen at both poles, as
they were telling everybody, how is it that we didn't
see any jump here? You know, that was idiotic. And

(02:17:48):
you remember what happened with it? What that was all
based on, right? It just based on their projections. They
didn't even measure anything. It only lasted for two days, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:17:55):
Look, anytime there's a heat wave, people die. The good
news is that less people are dying from heat waves
today than you, sue, because we have air conditioning and
you know, we're just smarter about these things.

Speaker 2 (02:18:07):
Oh, but they got a plan for that too, though.
They get run the air conditioning so we can kill
more people, get rid of the air condit not just
the food in the field, but the air conditioning too. Yeah,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (02:18:17):
We talked about this earlier.

Speaker 5 (02:18:18):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:18:18):
It's yeah, it's hot in Europe, and it's hot maybe
someplace else in Midwest, but it's cold other places, and
it all averages out and the con David, remember the
con was originally called global warming. That's that's the con.
And if you look, is the globe really warming? Well
not today today, there's really no global warming because the

(02:18:39):
cold is offsetting the heat of the places. And so
their narrative has failed. And it's frustrated to me that,
you know, the fact that that narrative is failed. You
can't you can't get that on TV anyplace. You can't
get that on Fox News. You can't get that on
and nobody wants to talk about that, and I don't
understand why.

Speaker 2 (02:18:57):
That's right, that's right, Well, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:19:00):
Interesting thing about this whole thing. Yeah, there's a heat
wave over there, but really the globe is not really
warmer over the past forty years.

Speaker 2 (02:19:07):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (02:19:08):
So it's just weather.

Speaker 2 (02:19:09):
That's right. It's just weather, and there's no instinction between it.
And we see that on people who are pushing back
on it as well. You know, they'll say the same
thing when it gets really cold. Weather is not climate,
and you have to have the data for a very
long time. But we do have data now for a
very long time, and we have shown that there is
no climate change. You know, there's weather variations. And let's

(02:19:31):
talk a little bit about the weather as well. You've
got a couple of good articles, one of them about
Lake Mead and then the other one about the Great
Salt Lake. Let's talk about Lake Mead first. The article
at junkscience dot com is is Lake Mead shrinking because
of climate? Let's talk about that. Tell people is it drinking?

Speaker 4 (02:19:47):
Well, yeah, so well lake Neat is shrinking? Is it climate? Well,
you know, if you look back at Lake Meads history,
you know, just maybe I think fifty years ago, the
nineteen sixty it was as low then as it is today.
So is that climate, No, it's something else. It's it's
probably you know, it may not be raining, but that

(02:20:09):
once again is weather. You know, drought is a natural
condition out there. It is the desert, but there's also
water usage. You know, we have ramped up water users.
The point is is that this has happened before. It
could not have been climate because there was a lot
less carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So it's not that
it's just you know, these things happen. It's probably mismanagement.

(02:20:32):
It's got nothing to do with you know, CO two emissions,
and the same thing is happening at the Great Salt Lake.
I mean, if you look back in the history, Gray
Salt Lake goes up, you know, it's level goes up
and down, and it has nothing to do with carbon dioxide.
But of course in the media, you know, they only
look at what's going on today, and so you know,
if there's something bad happening today, regardless of what has

(02:20:56):
ever happened in the past, it's happening bad today. It's
got to be climb to change. And it's just i mean,
almost everything is blamed on climate change.

Speaker 2 (02:21:05):
Oh yeah, yeah. As a matter of fact, you actually
go back and you go to the data, you know,
for several decades, and you show the charts in your article.
It had low points in nineteen fifty six and nineteen
sixty five, and it still hasn't gotten back that. Even
though it's very low now, it hasn't gotten back to
those points. And then we talked about the Great Salt Lake.
You point out this is coming from the New York

(02:21:25):
Times by as you call him. I think it's true,
imbecile economist, Paul Krugman. This is an economist, right, Maybe
maybe he would go back and look at the data
to know what he's talking about. Is this something? Oh, look,
it's low. It must be. I can use this for
my narrative. And that's exactly what they get.

Speaker 4 (02:21:42):
And you know what's incredible, David, is that none of
this is rocket science. I mean I don't spend half
my day looking for this data. I just do a
Google search and in seconds, in seconds, I come up
with this. They could do the same thing, but of
course they don't want to.

Speaker 2 (02:21:58):
That's right. No, No, they don't want to, and they
want to they want to hide the actual data. And
of course I think you were involved in that, just
like I was trying to get that information about Michael Mann,
who came up of a hockey stick thing that was
used by Al Gore viciously fought and eventually one in
court to be able to hide the data, even after

(02:22:20):
we had emails between him and other people saying, hey,
our models aren't working. How do we fix this? How
do we massage the data? How do we hide the data?
How do we hide the decline? And we said, all right,
you've you've published your results and you were paid at
a public institution. This has been used to craft public policy.
Can we see your data? No, you can't see the data. Well,

(02:22:42):
I think we know, you know, I think we know
what's going on with these guys. And that's exactly what
happened with all this COVID mcguffin. You know, they just
keep rolling the same mo everywhere there.

Speaker 4 (02:22:51):
Yeah, and once again, you know, it's really Republicans that
are letting us down. I mean, we elect these people.
None of this. You ran, Paul is trying to fight back,
but most of these other people they're just sort of
silent and let it. You know, they don't really do anything.
And the other side is really aggressive. Yeah, and even

(02:23:12):
if they're wrong, that's what they become more aggressive. Look
at Fauci, What a sick s ob that guy is, right,
Why is he still in the government at his age?
He's never been right about anything. He's a malignant dwarf. Yeah,
and he is making our lives miserable. And why is
he still there? What was Trump thinking?

Speaker 2 (02:23:32):
Yeah, I know even you know, I walked the plank. Yeah,
he even had people yelling firefacci firefaction goes well for me,
we'll see what I can do. Yet and he didn't
do anything. I mean after the election, he did nothing.
He had sixty days, he did nothing. You you talked
a little bit about what is happening in Texas. Now
they've got telling people, you know, before they do rolling

(02:23:55):
brown outs or blackouts, or telling industrial customers to shut
it down so they don't have to takeaway air conditioning
from voters two months before the election. So I've experienced
this when I was there and they had the windmills
that froze, and now the windmills are not producing in
the middle of it. Anyway, what a surprise, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (02:24:18):
Well, Yeah, and you know, even in a red state
like Texas, the Republican politicians have been purchased by the
wind industry and allowed to they have destroyed the electricity
grid in Texas, so that you know, you mentioned that
Valentine's Day twenty twenty one disaster, where you know, two

(02:24:40):
hundred people died because the windmills froze and blackouts ensued. Yeah,
and now you know, we're having the increasing likelihood of
blackouts in Texas and rationally because the wind industry has
been allowed to purchase politicians. And it's you know, what
do you do? Do you attack Governor Greg Abbott and

(02:25:03):
all the other Republican governors so that they get replaced
by Democrats who are gonna be worse. I mean, we
are in a real fix. Yeah, we've got to We've
got to fix us ourselves, that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:25:13):
Yeah. Yeah. You know, the entire time I was there
for about a little over nine years, I watched them
decommissioning power plant after power plant, and this is what's
happening across our country. And there was a tremendous amount
I forget how many billions of dollars or tens of
billions of dollars that the state of Texas gave to
these people who were already billionaires the same type of

(02:25:35):
thing they do, you know, for uh, putting in football
stadiums or baseball stadiums or something like that. Gave them
a tremendous amount of money to build this infrastructure for
these windmills, large windmill fields there, and yet they're not
able to deliver. And so it was all about graft
and corruption. And they bought these officials and they put

(02:25:57):
this in there. And these people and a lot of them
had been people who had been in the oil and
natural gas industry because and they wanted to get in
on the ground floor of something that was completely new
and different and force people through the government to make
that change and to get the government to subsidize it.
I mean, it's just corruption writ large, right.

Speaker 4 (02:26:15):
No, And none of this stuff works. We know it
doesn't work, and it's not going to work anytime soon.
And of course you know the dirty little secret behind
all this not only does it not work and it
costs more money, it comes from China. It doesn't come
from here.

Speaker 2 (02:26:30):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (02:26:30):
And you know, if we were to, if it were
even possible to get hooked up in this stuff, we
would be at the mercy of communists China, because it's
the it's where wind comes, the wind, the rare air
earths that make the windmills work. The solar same with
the solar panels. You know, slave labor is China. The
EV batteries of all the rare earths and cobolt processing

(02:26:54):
happens in China. I mean, this is just a disaster.
Yet we're letting it happen. You know, the investment in
these windmills and the utilities. They make money from putting
this stuff up. They make money now, and so they
get their bone, the you know, managements, get their bonuses
and everything now and the rest of us are left with,
you know, the craft that doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (02:27:14):
That's right. Yeah, and this goes back just like Earth
Day in the environmental movement, this goes back to you know,
the seventies and Nixon administration where they put China in
the catbird seat. They made the decision that they were
going to let these people be the center of the
global economy. They had slave labor, they had other things

(02:27:34):
that they could use, and they've really been used I
think Steve as a beta test site for all this
stuff you talked about. You had a tweet, you said,
a creepy, elitist, power crazed World Economic Forum Call three,
Call three, even higher gas prices to hasten the green
energy transition. And yeah, that's absolutely true. You know, at

(02:27:55):
least you can see what the World Economic Forum is
putting up out there. I looked at that and it's
like I click on. It's like, oh, that's right. I
can't view anything they've got because they blocked me. I
didn't realize they blocked me. I hadn't even trolled them
by saying stuff like that, we would be careful they're
going to block you. I'd never directly attacked them and
call them creepy, elitist, power crazed people, which they are,
but I never addressed them directly those adjectives, but they

(02:28:19):
preemptively blocked me. Kind of strange, but yeah, that is
really where I think. You know, these these politicians that
you pointed out, with this two party system, they only
have to be slightly better than the other guy, and
then they can essentially forward this agenda that is anti
American and anti human. And this is what is happening

(02:28:40):
in country after country, you know, whether you're looking at
New Zealand or Canada, and it's what happened during the
COVID thing. But that's Sport's happening.

Speaker 4 (02:28:47):
Yeah, you mentioned something very important there. This is an
anti human agenda.

Speaker 2 (02:28:51):
Yeah, you know all that.

Speaker 4 (02:28:53):
In the mid nineteen sixties, Paul Earley wrote The Population
Bomb and is still a full professor at Stanford and
is a member of prestigious National Academy. Size. Guy's never
been right about anything anyway. He said that the carrying
capacity of the planet is about two billion people. Well
later this year we are forecast to hit eight billion people.

(02:29:16):
And I think that these people, the World Economic Forum
and the people that get involved with them, and Democrats
and leftists, they really think that six billion people need
to step off the planet, and they're doing the best
they can to get us there.

Speaker 2 (02:29:30):
Oh yeah, oh, absolutely. Yeah. He looked at Georgia guidestones
that somebody just fortunately took out for us. I don't
know what was up about that, but you know, they
had even just a half a billion, you know, they
were even morem Althusian than Paul Erlick. I didn't know
he was still around, let alone teaching thoughts. That guy.
What is he like ninety years old or something.

Speaker 4 (02:29:49):
Yeah, I don't hear very often. He blocked me.

Speaker 2 (02:29:52):
So there you go. Yeah, we're being shut down. We
can no longer allowed to see evil or to here evil,
because we'll speak about evil. So the World Economic Forum
blocks me, He blocks you. That's that's funny.

Speaker 5 (02:30:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:30:05):
Uh, Germany is planning warm up spaces for this winter.
They're going to be wishing for global warming pretty soon,
aren't they. I mean, and we're seeing and we've talked
about this many times in the past, how it was
already long ago because the high prices in Germany as
they were rolling into this expensive pensioners and people who

(02:30:28):
didn't have the money, uh to cut back on the
term and and that's really going to be coming up
big time this fall, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (02:30:38):
Yeah. So it's really weird. You know, they're Germany, which
used to be a technological leader. You know, they've fallen
through this green stuff which doesn't work. They're shutting down
their nuclear plants. Maybe they're slowing some of that down
now they're going to have to reopen coal plants, you know,
against their agenda. But you know, just today they're there's

(02:31:00):
more news putin is you know, squeezing them more on
gas and you know they're thinking about, yeah, we're going
to need to have communal eating places and how else
can we crash and electricity? I mean, the whole thing
is just a disaster, and you kind of wonder, like,
why aren't people up in arms about this? Instead, they

(02:31:20):
elect this new green government, you know, they get rid
of Merkele, who is bad enough. Now they have olaf
shoal sounds, have been forced to reopen like twenty seven
coal plants. Yeah, but they don't want to and they
can't wait to shut them down again.

Speaker 2 (02:31:40):
Yeah, I know. Yeah. As a matter of fact, Soro said,
Davos was just railing about how Merkle had thrown them
under the bus because she hadn't done enough to do
renewables and left them vulnerable to these fossil fuels and everything,
which is really the only thing that's going to keep
them alive come winter. It's pretty amazing. And they're now
talking and all these different places in Europe about well,

(02:32:02):
should we let the peasants go out and gather wood
so they can heat themselves. You know, they're seriously you know,
you know, they're talking about gathering wood for fuel, but
they're not fully on board that because you know, we
shouldn't let them be able to go through uh and
collect uh you know, deadwood out of the forest to
heat themselves. It's amazing it's turning medieval, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (02:32:21):
It is totally medieval. And you know, now we have
this sort of looming global food crisis because you know,
Russia can't export its wheat and will let Ukraine to
explore its and you know in America we burn grain
for it, we burned food for energy. Because we have
all these ethnol exactly would like who is in charge

(02:32:45):
and who votes for these people? And what schools did
they go to? I don't I don't know where every
where all these people came from, because they've all lost
their minds.

Speaker 2 (02:32:54):
Well, they're they're graduates of the World Economic Forum. Klaus
Robin's got is those people.

Speaker 4 (02:33:00):
But how did they acquire all this power and all
this money because they are obviously too stupid to do anything.

Speaker 2 (02:33:09):
Yeah, how did it happen? Well, you know, they're smart
enough to get into these institutions. I had people ask
me that how do we wind up with all the
universities and schools being controlled by these radical leftist liberals
and things like? Well, because you know, they they love it,
They love those institutions and they want to be part
of them. These are the kinds of people. When we
were in high school. They wanted to be the leaders
of student government. You know, I didn't want to have

(02:33:30):
anything to do with it, but you know it works
out for them.

Speaker 4 (02:33:33):
Yeah, I'll go to step further. I mean they have
purposely captured these institutions, which is not they just gravitate there.
They have purposely captured them.

Speaker 2 (02:33:42):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (02:33:43):
You know, there was a great radio series starting Dana
Andrews from the nineteen fifties. I was a communist for
the FBI. I used to and the episodes are great
because they explain how, since the nineteen twenties, and they
do it through you know, recreations of story by FBI

(02:34:05):
ages of how communists have purposely tried to capture these
institute shoots, yes, and control them for their for these purposes.

Speaker 2 (02:34:14):
That's right. Yeah, the Frankfort Institute. They made it a
deliberate goal to capture Hollywood and things like that, and
they they've been very successful at that. It's been a
long running plan. Yeah. You talk about and we were
mentioning air conditioning earlier. Uh, and you got an article
junk science dot com ozone hole depletion hysteria debunked ANEW
tell us about that. Because they're just rolling out. They're

(02:34:36):
about to rev the version of refrigerate that we got
yet again. You know they did it once before and
said sorry, you can't have that. Now we got something's
going to be safe for the ozone layer. And now
as their patent, I guess is about to expire. That
was Eric Peters take on that.

Speaker 4 (02:34:51):
Yes. And Republicans yeah, like John Kennity and Bill Cassie
and Louisiana behind this, Yes, so o'se other whole steria
born in the nineteen seventies. The guys that discuss heard
the chemistry behind ozone hole hysteria won the Nobel Prize.
And what they discovered was there, you know, was some
thinning over the Antarctic and the ozone layer which protects
us from the UV layer from the UV radiation from

(02:35:13):
the sun. It wasn't a hole, It was just some thinning.
No one really understood it. These guys figured out that
chloroflora carbons are refrigerants. When they escape into the atmosphere,
they destroy the ozone and for that they won the
Nobel Prize. We got the Montreal Protocol, which was pushed
by environmentalists of course, as well as DuPont who was

(02:35:36):
losing its patents on CFC's And of course since then
we've been on this all. You know, we keep replacing
refrigerants and they keep getting needlessly more expensive. Well, a
couple of weeks ago they you know, I never believed
ozone hysteria. It's true, the chemistry neither did.

Speaker 2 (02:35:55):
I Let me ask you this too. I mean I
was always under the impression that that never looked before.
I mean, they never looked before. Are they ever looking
at the ozone layer over the poles? Was that it
was the first time they looked at as I know,
there's a thinning there, and so well, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:36:13):
So and so two weeks ago there's a study that
comes out that says, you know what, there's been an
ozone hole over the tropics since the nineteen eighties. They
didn't even notice it because there was nothing happening, because
there's nothing there. It's just, you know, we have an
excess of protective ozone in the stratospirit. If it gets

(02:36:33):
thin here and there, it doesn't really matter. And so
the whole thing has been a hoax.

Speaker 2 (02:36:38):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:36:38):
I remember more than about twenty years ago, when al
Gore was developing his slide show I was in a
meeting where I got to see his slide show, and
he made this remark in his mark was, you know,
the purpose of the Montreal Protocol was not to protect
the ozone layer. It was to show that we could
get a global climate tree.

Speaker 2 (02:36:59):
Ok.

Speaker 4 (02:37:00):
It's about global government. And that is where we are
now because out of the Montreal Protocol comes the you know,
the the United Nations Framework on Climate Change, which you know,
George Bush the Elder signed in nineteen ninety two in Rio,
and out of that was the Kyoto Protocol in the
Paris Climate Court. So all this stuff, you know, the

(02:37:22):
fruit of the poisonous tree. The poisonous tree is the
Montreal Protocol totally bogus. There's there's no problem with the
ozone There never has been. We paid needlessly more for refrigerants.
We have Senator Kennedy and Bill Cassidy and other Republicans
going along with Democrats, you know, signing a bill at
the end of the Trump administration to force ep to

(02:37:43):
make EPA, force us out of the refrigerants we're using
right now. Now, there's an amendment to the Montreal Protocol
that's been in the Senate right now that Senator Kennedy
is probably for as well as Bill Cassidy because the
refrigerant industry and our mental start pushing it is called
the Kigali Amendment, and it's going to force us out

(02:38:04):
of our current refriger instance is something into technology that
does not even exist yet. Wow, the whole thing is
a nightmare. You know, people think Senator Kennedy's funny when
he goes on TVs as all sorts of folksy things.
I'd like to see someone ask Sataty Kennedy about this.

Speaker 2 (02:38:19):
Yeah, Yeah, the Kagaliy Amendment. It sounds like Hegelian. That's amazing.
That's the way they pushed us. You know, you're talking
about this, and they had to have see if they
could get a world agreement. And I've talked to you.
We were talking before about how the plan for the
longest time has been depopulation and going back to when

(02:38:42):
the Pope put out his Climate in cyclical, a guy
who was very instrumental in that, who was the Vatican
Science Director that was writing that was John schellen Hooper,
and he had been at the right hand of Prince
Charlton had been conspiring to do this World League thing.
In a planetary Council and an Earth constitution. I mean,
everything about these guys is to centralize all power and

(02:39:04):
wealth into their hands globally and to depopulate everybody else.
And it just keeps you know, you have all these
different organizations, but they all have the same goal and
it's that and you have the same people that keep
you know, showing up in all of these these organizations
for global control and world depopulation. It truly is amazing.

(02:39:25):
Let's talk, I said, we get to the ESG stuff.
Let's talk a little bit about the ESG because now
these scorers are really the new corporate bench mark, aren't they.
I mean, we're not really worried about Moody's or any
financial ratings. Now we're worried about the ESG score that
everybody's got.

Speaker 4 (02:39:39):
Well. Yeah, the whole notion is that, you know, we
the left can't get more stringent environmental and social standards
through Congress, so they're going to They've created these, you know,
fake international bodies that are imposing these standards. It's through

(02:40:00):
left wing investors on corporations. It's a you know, it's
it's basically a communist plot to circumvent democracy to capture
corporations for their political purposes. And it's working. And you know,
this is led by Wall Street firms, Goldman Sachs, especially
Black Rocks, State Street banks, people that mentioned that manage

(02:40:21):
our pensions and manage pension funds for states. They use
all our money to amass political power for themselves. Now,
you know, there's a pushback. States like Texas have pushed
back against Black Rock Tennessee from other states, and there's
a growing West Virginia. There's a growing movement among red
states to push back against these guys. But of course

(02:40:43):
the bankers are pushing back on their own and it's
a real struggle. And you have also the Biden Securities
and Exchange Commission. You know, it's it's got all these
you know, it's starting to get itself involved in ESG
pushing ESG rules. They've also got a proposed rule to
require companies disclose their greenhouse gas emissions and what they're

(02:41:05):
doing on climate. And the whole purpose of this is
really to capture the corporation. And we talked about how
the left has captured all virtually every institution in America. Yeah,
and we've seen that with woke corporations. They have made
substantial progress in capturing those corporations. And you know, as
someone who does shareholder activism myself, you know, I can

(02:41:30):
see they certainly have made tremendous progress against corporations, and
so ESG is just another tool to you know, help
bring that about.

Speaker 2 (02:41:38):
That's right. You've gone to the Exxon meeting, for example,
and others and standing up saying what are you doing?
Because they're not they're not focused on their product, they're
not focused on their customer. They've got one customer, and
that is the you know, the people who are doing
the ESG ratings and the government it is to do
they're bidding and that's one of the reasons why you
see so much contempt for their customers from these big corporations.

(02:42:01):
But it's really being driven by Black Rock, as you
point out, Vanguard, I mean, the big three holding companies.
They've got about thirty trillion dollars worth of stock and
they're using that as leverage against these corporations. And now,
like I said before, you know, they used to have
Moody's and other financial rating scores and things like that,
but now they're all concerned about their ESG scores. There's

(02:42:22):
a new MIT Sloan study says, hey, we're seeing widespread
and repeated retroactive changes to ESG scores. So they're looking
at this like somebody would raise a red flag about
someone manipulating the Moody ratings or something like, well, what's
going on here? You know, this is the way we
evaluate corporations anymore. It's not by their profits, it's not
by products. It's now by are they going to push

(02:42:44):
the environmental agenda? Are they going to push this diversity,
inclusivity and all that stuff equity?

Speaker 4 (02:42:51):
Yeah, and so these scores are being used by Wall
Street to deny finance to company. And you know the
next step here is to you know, take ESG scores
and kind of turn them into social credit scores for individuals. Yes,
so you know, if you use too much energy or

(02:43:12):
do the wrong things and own guns and stuff like that,
you won't be able to get financing for your house
or whatever you need. It's all, you know, very big
brother stuff coming down the road. And once again our
Republicans doing anything.

Speaker 2 (02:43:26):
Nothing, not much.

Speaker 4 (02:43:27):
We've got some action going on in the States, but
in Congress, Republics even really understand this and no.

Speaker 2 (02:43:35):
Yeah, well, you know, they're rolling out the financial tools
to control this stuff with the Central Bank digital currencies,
and they've already talked about the fact, well we're going
to follow your carbon footprint and you know what, what
are you eating? You know, I'm sorry, you've already bought
too much meat this month, so we're not going to
let you buy this because we now control all the
money centrally. And then when it comes to the social

(02:43:55):
side of this, well, I'm sorry, I don't like what
you had to say on social media, and you know,
the World Economic Forum has blocked you or whatever, so
now you're not going to be able to fill in
the blank and they're going to cut you off from
that standpoint. That's really where this is rolling out, that
that kind of social credit like we've seen already done
this in China.

Speaker 4 (02:44:13):
Yeah, this is happening in China, and of course it's
happening here too. Go to twitters, see along you last
saw Twitter is speaking your mind?

Speaker 2 (02:44:22):
Oh yeah, I know, yeah, well, you know it was
it was a little over a year ago, after I'd
done the show on my own for about six months
that PayPal suddenly PayPal and Venmo just suddenly without any explanation.
I could never get them to explain to me. I'll
have to sue them if I want to get an explanation,
they won't tell me. But they just pull pulled it.
I can't even use them as an individual. That's what
this is going to look like for everybody if they

(02:44:43):
roll in this CBDC. We've seen it in Canada with
the truckers and Trudeau coming after after their stuff. But
it truly is amazing that they're able to get away
with this, and it truly is amazing that the politicians
in Washington are not doing anything about that. And as
point out, there's nobody in the Republican Party that's even
talking about that, none of the politicians.

Speaker 4 (02:45:04):
And one, where where is Mitch McConnell, Where is Kevin McCarthy?
Where are these people nowhere?

Speaker 2 (02:45:12):
Well, almost every time I talk about Mitch McConnell, I
point out the insight that you had. And I'm still
kicking myself because I didn't see it. But you said
right after the election, you said they're going to get
back into this Paris climate thing right away, and you
figured this out, and it was great that you figured
this out. And I tried to publicize it as much like it.
But you said this Paris climate thing is going to

(02:45:34):
come back with Biden, and it did, and you said,
the way to stop this is for Mitch McConnell to
hold a vote, because there's no way they got the
votes to ratify this as a treaty, and that would
end it once and for all. Everybody was going back
and forth about well, what is Trump going to do? This?
Is Trump going to do that to stop the Paris
climate of Cork? It should have been Mitch McConnell, and
he could have done it even in the Biden administration
when Biden said we've self ratified, you know, carry and

(02:45:55):
I decided we'll sign it. You can't do that. They're
just making this stuff up. He should have called their block,
but he didn't do it because he didn't want to write.

Speaker 4 (02:46:03):
Yeah, well, you know, it's interesting because he did do
it with the Green New Deal during the Trump administration
when that first came up, he brought that to a
vote and of course all Republicans voted against it and
no Democrats voted at all. But for some reason he
wouldn't do it with the Paris Climate Accord, and he
should have done it, because that would have put an
end to it and we would not be in the

(02:46:23):
Paris Climate Accord now.

Speaker 2 (02:46:24):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, even the people who are true
believers and all this climate change stuff, I've seen them
very angry about this because they said, how can this
be addressing what we think is a global problem if
you're going to allow China and India to continue to
add as many power plants as dirty as they are forever,
you know what, not forever, but you know for decades
while you're cutting it down here, you're just rearranging the

(02:46:47):
economic chairs on the Titanic, they say, And you're not
doing anything to address the problem if you let China
and India go free.

Speaker 4 (02:46:54):
Yeah, well, you know, I guess that's you know, you
mentioned it earlier in the World Economic Forum's idea was
that China would just be this, you know, basically open
sewer that produces all the goods and you know it's
dirty over there, who cares it's clean everyplace else? But
of course, you know, China has its own mind. It's
run by this aggressive communist party.

Speaker 2 (02:47:14):
Oh yeah, that is.

Speaker 4 (02:47:17):
Realizing, God, we have all this power, we can do
whatever we want, you know, we can take Taiwan and
there's nothing anybody can do about it, or would dare
do anything about because we'll just shut down their economies.

Speaker 2 (02:47:31):
That's right, that's right. I think that had a lot
to do. I've said this from the beginning. I think
that that what they did in Shanghai was signaling to everybody, look,
we can shut you all down. Yeah, when they shut
down Shanghai, I think that was a very clever warning signal.
Nobody else is really talking about that. Maybe they're afraid
to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (02:47:49):
Well. Yeah, Look, if it comes to end times, the
Chinese have shown they can do whatever they want to
their own people.

Speaker 2 (02:47:55):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (02:47:56):
There's not going to be an uprising at home because
they've got that locked down. Yeah, so they can go
to you know, war for keeps for everything against everybody else.
They don't care.

Speaker 2 (02:48:08):
That's right. They don't care about their people, and they
can they can do that to their people as a weapon.
There was one thing that you mentioned on junk science
dot com. Kentucky Attorney General is saying that ESG investing
is a breach of an asset manager's forduciary study. So
I don't want to in the time that we've got
without touching on that, is there any hope that that
is going to be an effective strategy against that? That's

(02:48:30):
a great move.

Speaker 4 (02:48:31):
Well, you know, there's a lot of education that needs
to go on. People need to realize that. You know,
if you hire an investment manager for your money, of
course is the duciary duty is legal duty is to
increase your investment. It's not to implement somebody else, you know,
his own social policy with your money. And it's it's

(02:48:51):
odd that you actually have to say that, but the
Kentucky Attorney Jeneral has now issued an opinion and that
needs to unfortunately, have to be marketed to everybody else
as they realize that, you know, people that are pushing
ESG versus trying to make money for you or investors
or state pension funds or whatever it is, that's all illegal.

Speaker 2 (02:49:14):
That's right. That's right. Yeah, that that should be echoed
very very loudly. It's why I wanted to get to that.
And always you're right at the center of everything, Steve,
I really do, Percie, you're coming on. No, I mean,
you picked that up. I haven't seen anybody else pick
that up. The fact that the Kentucky Attorney General is saying, hey,
you're breaching your fiduciary trust. You were supposed to make
money for these people, make money for the pension plans,

(02:49:34):
and you're out, you know, chasing your rainbows or whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:49:38):
Literally, where is the media on all this? I mean,
I find it hard to believe that the last more
than thirty years on this nonsense. None of it is
rocket science. It's just it's just inconvenient facts that nobody
wants to consider, even people on our own side.

Speaker 2 (02:49:54):
I agree. I agree. Well, thank you so much for
coming on. I'm glad you're feeling better. And folks, we
want to know what is happening at the epicenter and
somebody who stays on top of it and sees what
is happening across the political and economic spectrum. That's Steve
molloy at junk science dot com. Thank you very much, Steve,

(02:50:15):
appreciate it, David, thanks for having me. Thank you all right, folks.
In a little bit of time that we have left,
I can't let today's show end without talking about the
new historical location, or as some people have said, a
new hysterical location on Google Maps, and that is Brandon Falls. Yes,
people actually got it on Google Maps for about a day.

(02:50:37):
They marked the spot where Biden fell off of his bicycle.
They marked it as Brandon Falls, and then Google removed
it after people started leaving reviews. And so then somebody
put up a bicycle shop at the same location, and
the comments and the reviews of the bicycle shop were

(02:50:57):
very nice place to ride a bike. Be careful not
to cause too much inflation in your tires or you
can end up crashing your whole bike into the ground.
But what happens, you just blame putin and people will
fall for it. Another one said the bicycle shop there,
Brandon's Bicycle Shop, wonderful place, better than Niagara Falls, a
true hysterical landmark. I came across this place by accident

(02:51:21):
on my bicycle. Get your ice cream there as well,
but leave your kids at home. And that was echoed
by other people who said, great tacos and ice cream
at the Brandon bicycle Shop, but it is not kid friendly.
Not kid friends. Somebody else who is not kid friendly
is Nicki Haley. I like this headline Hillary Clinton levels

(02:51:44):
of cringe. That was a comment of one person who
was looking at Nicki Haley so desperate for power. That
is a very big warning sign. One of the most
vicious authoritarian warmongers I've ever seen in my life from
any political party is Nicky Haley, and for the life

(02:52:04):
of me, can't understand why so many Christians find her attractive.
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