Wed Episode #2165: Christmas Eve 2025 Rebroadcast

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Mentioned yesterday briefly the Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens. It
was kind of interesting the history of this, and there's
an interview on World Magazine WNG dot org. They talked
to Bruce Forbes. He's a holiday historian and an author
of Christmas A Candid History. He said, you know, everybody thinks, well,

(00:32):
this is the way they celebrated Christmas back in Victorian England.
He said, actually, it wasn't a portrait of Victorian Christmas
at the time. It actually, Dickens actually made Christmas popular
when it was not popular at the time. And he

(00:52):
points out going back to the sixteen hundreds, English Puritans
tried to stamp out Christmas celebrations based on two two
main objections. Number one, they said, well it's not an
early Christianity, so we're not called to do it. Number two,
is there too much wild partying going on? And again,

(01:12):
the way I look at it is, you know, some
people look at one day as holier than another. Other
people see every day is alike. Let everybody follow their conscience,
and it depends on how you celebrate it. Is it
going to be wild partying, Is it going to be
rampant materialism or is it going to be an opportunity
to reflect on the incarnation of Christ and his purpose?

(01:36):
And so Parliament even went so far as to ban
Christmas in sixteen forty seven. The historian Forbes said, at
some points they would send town criers around on Christmas
Eve crying no Christmas, no Christmas. What would Megan Kelly say?
And Bill o'rally, these are the people he used to

(01:57):
always talk about the war on Christmas. Every year, Forbes said,
for a century or more Christmas remained diminished. A survey
of stories, as a matter of fact, from the London
Times between seventeen ninety and eighteen thirty six shows just
how much Christmas had fallen out of favor. In twenty
of those years, nothing at all is said about Christmas,
and in the other twenty five is mentioned only briefly

(02:21):
in the kind of sense of well, that's something that
people used to do a long time ago. Dickens wrote
a Christmas carol in just six weeks, and he published
it a few days before Christmas. Only some of the
nineteenth eighteen forty three he was up against a deadline
and just barely making it. Like we did with this book,
in the bookmark. You know. Anyway, the public reaction was instant.

(02:43):
They loved it. It sold out, They printed it over
and over, reprints over and over again the following years,
and it got very big in America as well. In
eighteen sixty eight, Dickens sale to the US to perform
dramatic readings of his books, including A Christmas Carol. I
used to watch when I was a kid. I remember
they had an episode of Charles Dickens in America and

(03:04):
he went to the ranch. You know, he got to
meet the cartwrights. I guess because they got a lot
of money. Anyway, Forbes said, it's like he was like
a rock star. And he had one hundred and fifty
people waiting overnight to get tickets in Boston, and the
tickets all sold out, so he said, Christmas Carol expressed
dickens deep concern for the poor. And see this is why,

(03:27):
you know when my friend who is from the Libertarian Party,
he got so upset about Dickens because he saw this
as the wedge that was used to enact socialism, right
when in reality, you know, we need we understand that
they used children. As I said before, they're always children,
always and the welfare of children is always the poster

(03:50):
child for whatever it is that they want to do,
whether it's setting up a digital idea on the internet
or whatever it is. And yet we do need to
be concerned about the welfare of children, it's just that
we don't need to do it through government. And we
do need to be concerned about the poor, and yet
we shouldn't do it through government. And even though he
wasn't advocating helping the people out through government, and even

(04:14):
points out, you know, at one point he said, well,
don't we have poor houses and institutions like that, And
you look at how they had the government had failed
to help the poor in that it really was an
individual concern. I think that was a key thrust of
a Christmas Carol. So the story of Ebenezer Scrooge's transformation

(04:37):
grabbed a hold of the public mind and added a
new layer of meaning to the holiday, one which laid
the groundwork for widespread Christian Christmas celebrations, even among those
who don't believe Christ came as a baby and a manger.
And that's the other thing about it, you know, we
need to understand the you know, when you look at

(04:57):
Dickens Christmas Carol. That was one thing that always kind
of bothered me. You know, it's kind of like the
beginning of It's a Wonderful Life and the phony angel
narrative that's there, and you know how we're going to,
you know, manipulate this guy's life in order to do
various things. Still helping the poors. Not something that we

(05:20):
should despise. Nevertheless, it's not, as Dickens puts it out there,
it's not that good works are going to win us
the favor of God. There are rewards for good works
in both this life and the next life, but you're
going to make sure that you make the next life
and the good works are not going to give you
eternal life. That's what Christ came for, and that's the

(05:41):
message I think should be of Christmas. As Forbes said,
generosity becomes the theme that people can embrace, whether they're
Christian or not, or whether they're religious or not. Generosity
is a beautiful thing and it's I think Dickens Christmas
Carol's greatest contribution. It shifts what Christmas becomes and he

(06:02):
made it a he made it kind of a secular orientation,
you know, Jesus said, I am the way, and no
one comes to the Father but my me. Right, it's
a very narrow way. It's only one person wide. You
come through or by Christ, or you don't come at

(06:24):
all to eternal life. And that is the message of Christmas. Really.
You know. The some will say that, you know, we've
seen Bloomberg so many times as say, well, if there
is a heaven, I'm going straight in because all the
good things that I've done. So everybody can come up
with their own set of things that they think earned

(06:45):
them salvation. God will not be impressed. You know, when
we disobey him, we have rebelled against them, and that's
why we don't realize how serious that is. And we
don't realize why we need Christ. But you know, helping
the poor, having health care for tiny tim those are
all great things. But you know, the socialists have made

(07:09):
those things that the government does, and so today, you know,
if they would come around, I an Aezer Scrooge would say, well,
don't we have welfare programs for those things? I don't
need to help anybody, and he would miss the personal
reward of helping someone like that. You know, these are
all good things but still the only way to have

(07:31):
that life is tooe the Lord Jesus Christ. You know
Dickens's story. I also thought about the fact that he
has these three ghosts in it, right, that come back,
and they're the ones that you know, reason with Scrooge
and convince him. And I always thought, you know, that's
really very much like a twisted version of the story

(07:52):
that Jesus gave about Lazarus and the rich Man in
Luke sixteen. And I don't think that's a parable. I
think that's a real story. He uses real names, even
references Abraham. He doesn't mention the name of the rich
man because the context of the story. He realized why
he doesn't mention that. But you know, we could just

(08:14):
call him Scrooge for example, right, and or say Marley.
It would be Marlee, not Scrooge, because the rich man,
as he is in torment. He begs Abraham, he said,
let me go back and warn my family about this.
You know, I don't want my brothers to make the
same mistakes that I have made. And kind of like Marley, right,

(08:37):
except what does Abraham say to him? He said, well,
they have the law and the prophets, and they won't
listen to them. They won't listen to somebody to come
back from the dead. You know, I think about that
every time I watched the show. So what would he
tell him, right, what would he tell about that? And
what would they learn from the law and the prophets. Well,

(08:58):
when Jesus was can front of you with the religious leaders,
he said, you search the scriptures, that is a law
and the prophets because you think in them you will
find eternal life. But they testify of Me, and they do,
and that is the message of Christmas as well. You know,
the prophecies and the whole narrative of the Old Testament

(09:19):
all points to Christ. It's not about the end of
the world. It's not about Zionism. It's not about any
of that stuff. And what happens to Israel, what happens
at the end of the world. No, that's such a
misreading of revelation. People will often call it revelations, and
I think it's because they think of it as revelations

(09:41):
about the end of the world. But the actual title
is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. That's what the Bible
is and start to finish, and so it testifies of him,
and again the law and the prophets testifying. So you know,
Marley's not going to go back and tell Scrooge this.

(10:03):
Scrooge has got the law and the profits, and if
he doesn't want to see what they have to say
about Christ, then you know, that's the real message of Christmas,
Trolley Brown. So that's that's the reason that we celebrate it.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's always any chance you have to remember
what Christ has done.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
For you, that's right, and to tell people, you know,
I mean, what is the end of the of the
Christmas story? And nobody ever kept Christmas like covenants of
Scrooge kept Christmas. So it's like is that it is
that the more the story kind of as an anti
climatic ending here, right, he still dies at some point
in time, but they remembered him fondly because he was

(10:54):
very generous with everybody.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, no one put up more reads than Ebenezer.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I hope that that you enjoy the reward of that,
and that is a rewarding thing, but that is not
the ultimate thing. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yud Fiata, Welcome back and joining us now is Zoe Smith.
She has set up a website a thrill Kill Medical
cult dot com. You can also find her on substack.

(12:09):
The name of the substack is Zoe. That's zwe dot
substack dot com. And we want to talk to her
about being a whistleblower and the things that she saw
during the pandemic lockdown. Zoe worked as a medical coder
for over a decade. Tell us little bit about that.
What was that involved with? Is that for insurance purposes,

(12:30):
identifying the procedures and putting the right code on it.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, Hi, thanks for thanks for being here.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah, so a medical coder, A lot of people don't
even know that it exists because you don't really see
it as a patient. But everything that happens to you
in a hospital, clinic, X ray lab, whatever has to
have a diagnosis and procedure assigned and that's how your
doctor gets paid. So the coder is the one who
reviews that documentation, assigns the right diagnosis code, assigns the

(12:59):
right procedure code, and that's what gets put on the bill,
and that your insurance or medicare uses to pay your doctor,
ORB or the hospital for their services.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
So it was really boring until would happened.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Then you had a bird's eye view of what was
going on. I was just telling you off air, I said,
the AHA moment for me was the ah the American
Hospital Association and I believe it was August of twenty twenty.
I've talked about this many times. They got very upset
because they said to CMS, who was paying them. They said,
you told us that we didn't have to have a

(13:33):
PCR documentation for this. He said that you didn't have
enough of them, and you said they didn't work. And
you said, we just pointed somebody to a clinical diagnosis,
and you would give us a twenty percent bonus on
everything that we did to the people, as well as
the upfront cash bonus of thirteen thousand dollars. And now
you want to have this new requirement. You know that's

(13:53):
not fair. So they were complaining because they weren't getting paid,
and it kind of exposed the whole thing, except nobody
would cover that. It was amazing to me how there
was dead silence everywhere about that. I mean, you incentivize
people to that degree. And I would always say to people, Look,
the money is the issue.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
The decoration of the emergency by Trump unleashed the money
and then they put out these rules through CMS and
paid these people to kill is really what was happening.
And that's what you saw as well, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
That's they did.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
I don't know if you're familiar with the Vaxed bus,
but Children's Health Defense they sent out a third one.
So they've done a part one, part two, and now
part three. The part three is called authorized to Kill
for that reason because the CARES Act really did. It
incentivized a behavior change in hospitals and with positions and

(14:49):
how they were able to practice medicine.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
It is that everything on its head, and it incentivize everything.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
What you're talking about, what the AGA said about you
didn't even need a PCR to result to get that
COVID diagnosis is absolutely correct. And that was one of
the things that I noticed in the Pandora's box of
things that changed right, and.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
When they declared two weeks to flatten the curve in.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
March twenty twenty, they changed all the coding rules as well,
so they April first, twenty twenty is when the COVID
nineteen diagnosis went into effect, and we were actually told
to commit fraud before that time because we didn't have
a code to reflect COVID nineteen and we needed to.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Track that so much.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
And of course everyone had to get the PCR test
in order to get the diagnosis. But then there was
this official coding guideline, which is.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
What we use as coders. It's like our bible.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
It tells us what's correct, what's fraud, and it's essentially
it lays.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Out the rules.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
And in those rules, there's a part that says, in
order to be diagnosed with COVID nineteen, all your position
needs to do is write down in their medical opinion
that they think that you have COVID nineteen. They didn't
need to do an exam, they didn't need to have
a PCR test result. And it says right in that
official guideline this is an exception to Section two H

(16:13):
in patient coding guidelines, which says for every other diagnosis,
they have to do an exam and they have to
have some sort of clinical documentation, usually some sort of
lab work or diagnostics to prove their working diagnosis. So
COVID was an exception for that, and that was one
of the really big red flags that.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Came up for me.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
And of course I noticed in my position, not only
is everyone getting this PCR test when we come in,
they're not all sick, but then they get this COVID
nineteen diagnosis. And the part that most people that still
a lot of people aren't familiar with is when they
did the two weeks to flatten the curve and they
locked down everybody. They actually kicked people out of the

(16:57):
ICU early, and they shut down other wings of the hospital.
They went down to a skeleton crew, so they consolidated
wings within the hospital, so the ER and the ICUs
stayed open, but the rest of the hospital was shut down.
We were getting furloughed and laid off and hiring freezes

(17:19):
and no raises, no bonuses. During the time when the
media was saying these healthcare heroes are showing up to
fight the onslaught of COVID nineteen patients. What was an
onslaught of false positive tests, But it wasn't an onslaught
of a whole.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Bunch of patients. We were getting furloughed.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
So the hospital really really needed that money because they
were bankrupted right before those incentives came out, so they
really needed those incentives. So they were absolutely excited to
label someone as COVID nineteen and get that twenty percent diagnosis,
and then hook them up to the ventilator, which they
got another bonus for, and then the rendez appear, which

(17:57):
they were giving out like candy during this entire time.
The bonus really didn't go into effect until August of
twenty twenty, but they were using it from about April
all the way through. And I noticed how the protocols
were killing people, and doctors would just say, oh, this
is a progression of COVID nineteen. And to this day,
a lot of people will say, oh, I had a

(18:20):
family member that died of COVID. They went to the
hospital because they had COVID and they died of COVID.
But I asked them, did they really die of COVID
or did they die of the protocol? Were they not
that sick until they got there and then they circled
the drain because in my experience, most of the patients
within sometimes a few days to sometimes it took up

(18:40):
to a month. But those protocols were killing people, shutting
down their organs and then they would die. And that
wasn't normal to have that happen to an ammoonia patient. Normally,
they'd be there three days, we pump them full of antibiotics,
which we weren't using for COVID nineteen, and then they

(19:00):
would go home.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
So this was totally backwards.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
And then I started to notice all the incentives because
even as a coder, they have all these checks and
balances in the electronic medical record system and it counts
against you if you miss something, so like if I
missed someone for COVID nineteen, I would get a notice
about it, like, oh, this is going to count against
your score and might not get a raised this year
because you weren't a good coder. And they were watching

(19:25):
that for Randesevir because the bonuses were so much.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
On the bill. Every single Randezevier.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
Infusion was four thousand dollars, give or take a little
bit throughout the country because it's weighted based on where
you live, so be more expensive in New York or California,
But around four thousand dollars per dose is how much.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
They were getting.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, the ventilators. I interviewed a woman who was a nurse.
She wrote a book called Pandemic Nurse, and she was
in Florida and she said, I wasn't saying, you know,
the kind of narrative that they were talking about the pandemic,
and everybody was saying it was all happening up in
New York. So she left and went to New York
to help and set around for a couple of days
before after she told them she was there before they
brought her in. When they finally did bring her in,

(20:09):
she's like, you know, what's going on? They're not busy either.
When they brought her in, physician walked around, showed to
the people on the ventilators and said, you know, about
ninety percent of these people are going to die. And
she said it was horrible. They were just killing people.
And of course, when you look at it, if you
get a thirteen percent, if you get a thirteen thousand
dollars bonus for pointing at somebody and saying they got COVID.
They may not even be sick, as you pointed out,

(20:31):
then if you put them on a ventilator, you get
thirty nine thousand dollars already right there. You got fifty
two thousand dollars for a machine that costs you fifty
thousand dollars, and then they will pay you twenty percent
on the charges that you've got for them to use
it until you kill them with that ventilator. And again
pullmonologists were looking at this and come back and said,
this never made any sense. We never did it, like

(20:53):
as you're pointing out, they'd get people antibiotics and things
like that, so we would never put people on a ventilator,
you know, for pneumonia or things like that.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well of it was so incredibly corrupt and counterintuitive, and
they turned the hospitals into killing machines for money, and
everybody's willing to do that. I mean, if you got
somebody this there, and even if it wasn't an economic
emergency that had been created partially by the government, you know,

(21:21):
if you were to tell somebody, you point to that
person and say they've got this condition, I'll give you
thirteen thousand dollars. We know how human nature works, and
we know how the corporate hospitals work. I mean, the
incentives to do that are going to be huge, just
like the disincentives to report somebody when they've had a
reaction to the vaccines are going to be huge as well.

(21:42):
Were you still there when they started the vaccination program
or had you left because you say that you left
when they made the vaccine mandatory? Did you see it
happening before that?

Speaker 5 (21:53):
I started to wake up during really when they started
declaring two weeks to plat in the curve and I
started seeing people wearing masks in public. I knew this
was not this was not a pandemic and there was
something some kind.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Of psychological operation going on.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Because I had worked in the hospital for the swine
flu scare and it wasn't a thing in the hospital
like it was just regular flu.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
I didn't even talked to people that were on the.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
Front lines, like er doctors and nurses, and they said
some of them even said that they got it and
it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
That big of a deal.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
So when they declared COVID, I was really suspicious, this
is just going to be another vaccination campaign, because they
already had mandates for the flu shot for healthcare workers
for like a decade before.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
That, and I had been doing the exemption every year.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
And the reason I did that is because the first
year that they made healthcare workers get the flu shot,
everybody was getting the flu. And so that was the
year that we came up with the It was just
a rumor within the university lab where I worked, but
everybody was saying it that you get the flu from
the flu shot. So ever since then, I just didn't
want to do it. So during that whole year of

(22:58):
operation work speed and only thing that's going to get
us back to normal is this vaccine. I thought this,
if the flu shot never worked, the chances that the
covid shot is going to work is slim to nil.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
And the amount of pressure.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
For this one compared to the flu shot is astronomical,
so there's something to it. So that made me actually
not just look at the covid shot, but look at
all the other vaccines. And what I learned was they
don't teach coders or doctors or nurses anything about vaccine
side effects or adverse effects, despite the fact that they

(23:32):
have codes to assign for vaccine effects. But I would
see patients come in with like eon.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Beret before this, and the doctors would try.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Very hard not to relate it to a vaccine, and
there would be codes in there like adverse effect of
flu shot or adverse effect whatever, and those are supposed
to be like a safety signal code. Like one of
the reasons why the ICD ten system, which is owned
by the WHO, by the way, so every every member
state that is part of the WHO has to report

(24:03):
these codes. And it's for statistical monitoring purposes. So this
is how they monitor pandemics. This is how they monitor
cancer like how many cases of cancer there are throughout
the world, or heart problems or pneumonia cases. This is
the system that they use, and it's also supposed to
be starting in clinical trials for devices and drugs to

(24:27):
look for a safety signal. So I thought, with this
COVID nineteen vaccine, there should be a code for adverse
effect of this shot, and it should be my job
to assign it. So I didn't my due diligence, and
I looked into all the warnings and what could happen
if people got the shot, And then I looked at
what could happen if people got the other vaccines, and

(24:48):
I started to realize that they have been varying all
of the effects that people would get from vaccines and
not assigning these adverse effect codes up until twenty twenty.
And then when the COVID nine teen vaccine came out,
there was no code to report it. So it should
have been my job to collect that danger signal. And
I even went on a podcast called Deborah Get's Red Pill.

(25:09):
It was just a radio show in early twenty twenty one,
right after I quit my job, and I said, the
COVID nineteen vaccine is more dangerous than all of the
other vaccines combined.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
And that was with my that was just an observation,
but it.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
Was ten years of medical coding experience and then learning
what I learned about vaccine side effects and all the
cases that I saw of children in the er constantly
having XMR rashes or even anaphylactic responses, and then I
look at the record. They just got a vaccine, but
the doctor's not connecting the two. So when COVID nineteen

(25:46):
came out, people were having strokes and cephalitis and blood
cloths like I've never seen before my own carditis.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
They were getting COVID.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Nineteen immediately after getting the shot, like the same day
or the next day, and then being hospitalized.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
There are people with paralytic.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
Problems, seizure disorders, blood disorders where they couldn't even figure
out what was going on because the patient was plotting
and bleeding at the same time and they didn't even
know how to treat it.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Crazy stuff started happening just in the first four.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Months of the vaccine rolled out, so it wasn't even
available to the rest of the public yet. But by
summer twenty twenty one is when they started saying you
at home, like this is the hospital leadership.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
They would have videos that they would.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
Send to all staff all the time monitoring COVID, and
they were really really pushing us to get that shot.
They were saying, we're not doing as good as the
other hospitals who are getting incentivized for meeting their vaccination quota,
and we weren't. So they were pointing to us, people
who worked from home, who never saw patients, who never
walked into a hospital. You guys are spreading it around society,

(26:53):
and we're going to have to fire you if you
don't get your shots. So at that point, I couldn't
take it in anymore. I knew that my job had
been to get them money for murdering patients, and I
was having a crisis of conscience over that. And then
before the vaccine went out, I decided I was going
to be a spy at that point and just see

(27:14):
if the vaccine really was as.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Bad as old warnings said.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
And then it turned out to be far worse than
I anticipated, and I didn't think that the chances would
be very good that I would get an exemption. Because
they changed the rules for getting an exemption. A lot
of people got fired, and I didn't want to work
for them anymore. I didn't want to continue helping them
get money to murder people.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Good for you, Good for you, Yeah, you really do
have You really did have a bird's eye view of
this whole thing, because you're seeing the diagnostic codes as
well as the treatments that are there, and so you
could get a good picture of what was actually coming
on and seeing the trends that were there. That's very

(28:00):
interesting your perspective. You know, I've got something. And I
apologize because we can't feed this to you, so you
can't hear this. I'll kind of talk about it and
describe it. But I want the audience to hear what Lutnick.
I call him lucky Lucky Lutnick. What he said in
terms about the money that can be made off of
this kind of stuff. And he uses an example of

(28:21):
the vaccines.

Speaker 7 (28:23):
The United States government the most powerful, the greatest customer
buy stuff we walk in. We're going to buy is
the example I like to use. We're going to buy
two billion COVID vaccines. When we buy it, Faiza and
Maderna stocks are going to triple, going a triple, So
then we say everyone's going to have this vaccine. If

(28:47):
I were after Jared Kushner negotiated the best daily could,
Howard Lettnik walked in the room, Howard Letnig would say.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
What do you think twenty percent warrants? Twenty percent warrants?

Speaker 6 (29:00):
What?

Speaker 7 (29:01):
So we'd make fifty billion dollars off of who nobody?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
We didn't take from anybody to do it.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
Okay, the shareholders a Pfizer, who.

Speaker 7 (29:09):
We've just trimpled them with our order.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Now, how many of my customs? Yeah, Zoe what he's saying.
Zoe says, yeah, you get the US government's the most
powerful customers. So we're going to go in and we're
going to buy two billion dollars worth of these vaccines
from Pfizer, MOODNNA. We're going to force people to take them.
He goes, So I'm looking at this. I'm saying, well,
I'm going to get some twenty percent warrants. I want

(29:32):
some action of that. I know what's going to happen
with all this. And he says, and you know, and
who have we harmed with all this stuff? It's like
the people who got the shot, obviously, But he doesn't
even see that. He sees nothing but dollar signs. This
is the guy, of course, that is now the Commerce
secretary for Trump, and he's the guy who's pushing through
the stable coins and all the rest of this stuff.

(29:53):
Makes you wonder what he is going to be doing
to this with the stable coins and the resetting of
the financial This is these are people who see nothing
other than money, and they don't care what they have
to do to other people in order to make money.
It truly is amazing, the greed and the system and
the corruption.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Right, it is so hard for me to wrap my
brain around how many people they killed. It was a
science silent genocide that is still invisible. But there's no
family that I've talked to in the last five years
that hasn't been touched by it in some way. Either
someone they know is suffering from cancer or some horrible

(30:35):
chronic condition after getting the shop, or they've lost somebody
like I lost my cousin who was seventeen, who suddenly
just drove into a tree and they didn't do an
autopsy or look into it. And there's countless other people
out there like that. I mean, this was our family,
and people are still just kind of burying their heads

(30:56):
in the sand and one things to.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Go on like it didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
The amazing guy system.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Is still set up to where it could still happen again,
Like we haven't even held those people accountable.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
As a matter of fact, we put them back in
office again. And so you know, that's why to me,
I look at it, and what astounds me the most
is just how effective the control of information has been.
That's why what you're doing is so important. You've got
to get out there and tell people what happened, because,
as you point out, allmost everybody I know as well,

(31:29):
there's been somebody in their family, immediate or extended family
that's been harmed by this. But everybody thinks that this
is a one off. It didn't happen to everybody else.
They don't realize that it happened, how broad this is
and how extensive it is, And I think that they're alone,
just like they wanted us to think that we were
loane if we saw what was happening and we weren't
going to participate in it. Well, you're the only one

(31:50):
who thinks like that, and we're not. You know, there's
a lot of people out there who saw what was happening,
and we're onto this scam from the very beginning. And
I had the help of a person who gave me
a heads up about a year before this happened. He said,
there's a lot of chatter about Dark Winter two and
he goes, you know what Dark Winter one was, and
he's like, yeah, I know about that. And so when

(32:12):
I saw all this, it was falling right in the
pattern of all these germ games. The very first one
was two months before nine to eleven, So I knew
exactly what was happening with this, and also knew about
the PCR test and what Carrie Mollis had said, talk
a little bit about what you saw with the PCR, right.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
So that was another part of the Pandora's box that
changed right at the beginning of March twenty twenty when
they declared two weeks took flatten the curb and changed
our whole lives upside down.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
I noticed that before.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
COVID I worked in the University Love when I was
in college, and we had what's called a rapid flu test,
and it was something that it was a no swamp too,
or it could be a saliva swamp, but it wasn't
something that went all the way up to your green
like the COVID ECR swamp did, and even the instructions
like us in the lab as lab assistants, the one

(33:04):
of the number one things we did was coach people
on how to collect specimens properly, because it was our
job to screen them, make sure they were going to
work for the test, and if they weren't in a
correct format to accept for the test, then we'd have
to tell the nurser doctor we needed to go recollect
that specimen. So these rapid flu tests, they had to
be done within fifteen minutes, and it was basically a

(33:26):
PCR test. It didn't have the same cycle thredcial part,
so it's kind of a predecessor to the COVID nineteen
PCR test. But it wasn't done on every patient that
had a cold or flu symptom.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Or a pneumonia at all. It was only done.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
On patients that came in with a recurrent pneumonia that
they couldn't cure or a recurrent cold, and it would
be done to try and figure out which types of
medications this particular disease would respond to. So it was
like a case by case basis. It wasn't just everybody
walked into the hospital. And so when COVID nineteen came
around and they said you need to stick this all

(34:05):
the way up into people's brains, no saliva, and it
has to be on every single person, because I mean,
it really flipped it.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
At one point.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
It went from you can't get the PCR tests like
because they had a drive through where you could go
out into society at first, and you have to go
to one of these PCR testing centers and they'd say
you have to have symptoms.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
You can't get it unless you have symptoms.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
And then people were mad that they couldn't get the
PCR tests, And.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Then like overnight, it flipped to now.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
Everybody has to get it for everything. You have to
get it if you walk in the er, even if
you don't have COVID symptoms. And I thought that was weird.
We never did that before. That is not supposed to
be a screening test. It's supposed to be a diagnostic test.
Because the screen is done when you don't have symptoms.
It's trying to rule out if you're developing something. And

(34:54):
they were telling us a symptomatic spread, Well, I could
see in the hospital there's no such thing as a
symptomatic spread. This six feet thing is made up. Masks
don't work. I knew that from the very beginning because
masks in the hospital had only been used for like
collecting spittle over like a surgery case. It wasn't meant
to prevent germ spread. That was never part of our

(35:17):
infection control. So I knew there was something up with
these PCR tests. And I kept looking at the results
and finally I find that it's done by a PCR
and I recalled my time at a university lab when
we were just starting PCR testing because This was early
two thousands, and Mulis invented it, Like late eighty six
is when the NIH took it up and started using PCR.

(35:40):
So it got into healthcare early two thousands, and all
the texts like my mom was a medical technologist.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
It was her job, which she actually ran one of
these labs. It was her job to run those tests.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
And they were all talking like this was like their
new tech, like they were a kid in candy store,
excited about it, this PCR thing, But it was all getic.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Testing was genetic.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
It was done for cancer screening, which they thought was genetic,
and it was done for like women that would like
they would call it genetic counseling. If you were a
couple and you're a female, and you go and you
want to have genetic counseling, you can see.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
If you have like a hereditary disease like.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Huntington's and then maybe decide if you want to continue
with procreation or not. So it was genetic. So I thought,
why all of a sudden are we testing for viruses
with PCR. Well, while I wasn't looking because for ten
years I was a medical coder, so I wasn't really
looking at what was going on in the lab until
COVID happened. So then I find it's by PCR, and

(36:43):
I start looking at well, there's obviously this problem with
false positives. Even Elon Musk was saying, I got two
tests in one day. One was negative, one and was positive.
And I could see the hospital was running over and
over and over these PCR tests, waiting to get a
positive result if they didn't get the right result, and
I'm like, this doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
What is going on here?

Speaker 5 (37:04):
And fast forward to like after the PCR tests evolved
a little bit towards the end of twenty twenty into
twenty twenty one, they had what's called a PCR multiplex assay,
so it was four.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Different viruses they were actually monitoring.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Flu, A, FLU, B RSV, and COVID nineteen And the
only one that ever came up positive out of a
whole year of running all four of these viruses was COVID,
not one flu, not one RSV.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
And they say, we have an RSV.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
That's such an amazing thing. And you know, we go
back and we used to play the clips all the
time of Malis calling out Fauci, because you know, Fauci
used the PCR test claim that AIDS was caused by
a virus, and that created a big back and forth
between them, and Mala said, well, I'm not going to
get involved in that fight, but I'll tell you this

(38:05):
that you can't prove it using the PCR test. It
can't be used as a diagnostics like that. And so
it was very interesting because they also did not isolate
the HIV, you know, the the virus that supposedly caused
AIDS either and so this whole thing has been kind
of a bluff. What it reminds me of, Zoe is
the polygraph tests. My wife used to be a district

(38:27):
personnel manager for convenience stores, and what they would do
if they would have massive shortages somewhere and they thought
there was theft that was going on with the employees,
they would call them in and polygraph them. And the
polygraph did not work. But it only worked if people
believed that it could tell them tell whether they were lying,
and then they would tell the truth about it and

(38:48):
make a confession. Right. So it was simply a mind
game that was being played on the people that were there.
And that's what exactly, Yeah, that's what the PCR thing is.
It really is a mind game, except that it's become
something of a lie detector for the people who are
administering it. We realize now that they are the liars
who are putting this stuff out. I just had in
a comment Lance put up my producer. He said that

(39:09):
video of Lutnik where he's talking about that reminds him
of this scene out of the Big Short, which we
just went back and watched again because of the AI bubble,
And at one point this guy gets up and he's
talking and one of the guys who's onto the whole
scam says, why is he confessing, And the other guy says,
he's not confessing, he's bragging what Lutnik was doing. He

(39:32):
wasn't confessing about all this stuff. He was bragging about it.
And now how he continues to get away with this
kind of stuff truly is amazing.

Speaker 9 (39:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Yeah, Well, what's even more nefarious about the PCR test
is so the false positive narrative that is only it's
about the cycle threshold. But you're correct, they didn't actually sequence.
They didn't sequence Stars Kobe too, so they never had
a sequence.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
They have what's called a consensus sequence, which.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
Is average that AI came up with, and that's what
they used because they knew they would find this in
a percentage of people, and then they could dial it
in with the cycle threshold up or down.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Same thing with the AIDS thing.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
They never isolated AIDS and they used their antibody tests
at first, which could be dialed up or down in
the same way as the cycle threshold. And David Rasnik, PhD,
who I've interviewed, can vouch for that. He's got all
the science.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
On his web page to prove all of that.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
But what I was looking past the cycle threshold because
I knew this test is dialed in for some reason,
like they can predict the results somehow, and I needed
to know how they were manipulating the test, And so
I looked a little bit further and I find a
document from the CDC that says for every COVID test,
every CLIA certified lab, which is all of them, they

(40:52):
all have to be in order to build insurance or anything,
have to be CLIA certified. Then they have to send
a genetic sequence to one of two gene banks, either
NCBI or GISAID gene banks, and it listed like eight
different sequences so they're saying, you know.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
The variants in the details. But if you look at
some of these labs that were running PCR tests and
making all the money off running these PCR tests, they
could also take.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
That same sample off that machine, put it on another
machine run a sequence. And they needed to in order
to comply with the CDC's directive to send genetic sequences.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
To these gene banks.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
And I interviewed David Rasnik, who is a chemistry professor
who worked with Kerrie Molis and new Kerri Mollis. I
asked him directly, do you think that they were just
clipping a tiny little section of the genetic code and
then sending it to these gene banks or do you
think they were getting the entire sequence? And he says, well,
they're running a lab. They're busy, they're not really thinking about,

(42:02):
you know, taking the time to clit out a sequence.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
So could they yes, but would they really do that?

Speaker 5 (42:08):
No, It'd be so much easier for them to just
send the whole thing and then let the gene bank
decide which part that they want.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
To determine is the variant of concern.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
So they were and you look at the different gene banks,
there's one called Data vant which is now a public
private partnership. You look at the Human Genome Project, which
is now BGI BGI gen Genetics I think in China,
which is their biggest biotech company, And there's billions of
billions of dollars in collecting our DNA, and what they

(42:42):
say they're using it for is to And now we
have Larry Ellison actually admitting it day two of the
Trump administration that they're going to use AI, which is
what they use to get the consensus sequence that they
dial the PCR test in with. They're going to use
AI to look at our blood and then make a
drug or a therapeutic or a vaccine tailored to our

(43:06):
individual genome. And now there's a massive industry of all
these big tech oligarchs that are using AI to develop
different vaccines or different therapeutics, biotech therapeutics tailored to the
individual genome. So whether or not they're successful with this technology,
there's a whole bunch of money invested in it. So
I think PCR was actually a data mining operation as

(43:30):
well as a money laundering operation.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
That's interesting. Yeah, And of course if they want to
make a bioweapon, that is going to target certain groups
of people. That makes it very easy to do that
as well. You know. And when we look at the PCR,
Handy who also has a substack and he's been a
regular listener comment or on the program, he worked in
hospitals and he said he was suspicious of these things.

(43:53):
Finally got a nurse to take one of these swabs
right out of the package and run it through and
got a positive test without swamping anybody. So some of these, yeah,
it was. It was such garbage. I mean, either it's
preloaded with something or the PCR test is just so
off the charts with its magnification whatever. You can find

(44:13):
anything anywhere. Kerry Mallis, I.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Didn't be the president of Tanzania.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
I think he did some like a papaya and like
a Coca cola.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
That's right. It's total nonsense and garbage. And I remember
when they had the con Film Festival. It was in
the summer of twenty twenty, and you had all these
elitists who somehow they got there, I guess on their
private jets, didn't have to get screened too much. But anyway,
they're there and they were complaining that they had to
do spit tests. They said, that's disgusting. We got to
spit in this thing and they got to test it

(44:45):
and so forth. I said, yeah, so why don't they
allow us to do a spit test? Right, they got
to ram that thing up your nose. But you don't
get that. But the elites, the jet setters, the private jets,
they get the spit test or whatever. Oh my godness,
all this stuff.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
In the university lab, there was something called sputum testing,
which is exactly that you basically at hakalugi into a
cup and like it was the most disgusting sample I
ever had to deal with when I worked in the lab,
and I make a joke in my book, we all
were spared.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
That they that they didn't make that the test that
we had to do. But I'm telling me, that's what
the elites do.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, I think that's preferable to have that thing ram
rotted up your nose. I guess I didn't have that
done to me, so I yeah, I went without having
a PCR test. Sorry, go ahead me neither.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
That was another reason why I walked out, because if
I were to stay in the hospital, they are stay
working for them and get the exemption that I was
going to have to take a PCR test every week,
and I didn't want to have to take a PCR test.
I was pretty sure they were going to be collecting
our DNA with it, or sensing if we're vaccinated or not,

(45:58):
or somehow tying that, and would the vaccine passport. It
wasn't entirely sure how it's going to work, but I
knew that it wasn't what they were telling us.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
And I wasn't about to play long. Yeah, So that
was another reason why I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
And of course, so are the other things too. Where
some people did some you know, zoomed down a microscope
looking at the tip of the swab and said, look
at this. You know, here's one of the cotton swab
and here's this PCR thing. It's got all these spikes
on it. And if I run it across, some of
these things of spikes stick and stay. So are they
actually implanting something into you?

Speaker 8 (46:29):
You know?

Speaker 1 (46:29):
There's some research on it.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
And I found there were two chemicals on the tip
of the swab. One of them was ethylene oxide, and
that alone can like they were putting it, you know.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Way up in your nose.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Where your pineal gland is your third eye, which is
right at the top. So putting that chemical right there
is known to cause cancer, right, and so the more
you do it, the more.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Personogenic it's going to be.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
And then it also has a chemical property where it
will basically block and calcify your pineal glands, like closes
your third eye. And it's also a way that your
brain can sense light. It's how your your body basically
like synchronizes hormones throughout your whole body. So it can
like turn change your whole endocurrent system if you set

(47:15):
off your if you close or calcify your pinial plan
So all sorts of things could happen just with that
one chemical. But I think there was also graphene oxide
on there. There was different schools that said they have
been given these special masks even that had graphine in
them similar like the exact same phenomenon about the fibers

(47:36):
that actually move and respond to magnetics.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Graphine oxide has.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
A magnetic property to it, That's why they wanted to
use it. But it's also supposed to be a clean
so they were saying, like we're using this to make
it antibacterial because it has antibacterial properties. But both the
swaves and some of the MAP had graphine fibers in

(48:03):
them that could maybe do that.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
So if they can't inject the idea what.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
That would do if you shove it off your nose
over and over and over.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
So they can't inject the graphine into you, they can
get it in there another way. And of course I
mentioned this many times too. There's a couple of different batches,
each of them over a million of these shots in Japan,
and they noticed that they were getting black particulates. I
don't know if it happened because they didn't keep them
at the super cold temperatures or whatever, but they noticed

(48:32):
black participants in they particulates, and they said they reacted
with magnets. Yeah, so what is that? But they would
end the story no more talking about that, And the
Japanese government threw away a couple of million of these
vaccines because of that type of thing. But yeah, there's
just so many issues there, and people have been lied

(48:54):
to so thoroughly about all the stuff. This is why
it's not a dead issue. It is still a lot
and they're going to try to do all this stuff again.
And since it worked so well, they will use the
same tactics again, that's why it's very important to talk
about these different tactics and.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
They're using yes, right, they're moving forward with the mRNA.
I mean they're not only putting it in our food
like we've probably heard.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
I'm sure your audience has.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Heard about the bird flu and how they're doing the
self amplifying bird flu injections for poultry, and they're trying
to get it in cattle, and they've had mRNA shots
in pork, so almost all all the pork is tainted
now since like twenty eighteen.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Now they're rolling it out for pets.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
So now when you go in, you try it, and
you have to get your annual RABY shot for your pets.
Now that's going to be mRNA.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
They're moving over to the m RNA platform for all
the vaccines.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yes, so nor.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Means that who might be a little like cautious about
COVID nineteen because they've heard the rumors by now most
of them, but they haven't heard that now you're RSV
your flu and a lot of even like the childhood vaccines,
are moving over to this m RNA platform where they
get to bypass clinical trials, so it still hasn't been

(50:11):
This is an experiment that is now being rolled out
to all our vaccines under the guise of this is
totally fine, this is normal science. We've totally tested this,
but it's absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
I mean they've.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Had that's right.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
People understood for like three years.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Yeah, for the first one, we.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
Just barely passed the first part of monitory.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
That's right, And people need to understand that the guy
who boasted about being the father of the vaccine. First
things he did is you pointed out Stargate thing with
Larry Elison where he's talking about, well, we're going to
use AI to design custom design this for your genetics,
and then we will deliver it with an MRI platform.
And the person that they put in as they chose
to put in at the head of the CDC, was

(50:57):
Susan Moniaz and that had been she was working on
with BARDA and with ARPA H and these dark bioweapon
companies that are part of the of the government and
the the military industrial conflicts and the bioweapon platforms and
things like that. That's what. So there's all these different

(51:20):
threads that tie this throughout the Trump administration. Pushing m
RNA for all these various things. And of course then
Brooke Rawlins, who's the Agricultural Secretary, she decides on her
own initiative that she's going to end this mass culling
of chickens by authorizing the mRNA bird flu for chickens,

(51:41):
and then they authorize it for other livestock as well.
It is the signals are all there that this is
all still going on, that Trump is right at the
epicenter of all this mr and A stuff. And I
guess what we could call now the m RNAi as
an AI artificial intelligence. It's all connected together.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
Absolutely, it's a giant web, and it is going to
be tied to our behavior scores and if we comply,
how much we comply with it? Looking at you know,
who's monitoring the DNA where they have to report the
PCR results, to who's hiding the adverse effects of the vaccine?

(52:26):
Putting that all together and looking at where are they
actually where are we reporting all of these PCR results,
And where are we reporting the COVID.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Nineteen case numbers?

Speaker 5 (52:41):
And now we actually have a code to report the
COVID nineteen adverse effects.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
But it's still not being used.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
So looking at that and trying to figure out where
the code was and why we're not able.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
To report it.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Still, I happen to find that every agency monitoring COVID
nineteen cases and vaccination tracking specifically because there's so many
vaccine registries.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
That blows your mind. It's tied to national security. Oh yeah,
so it's a matter.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Of national security if you participate in this scheme.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
For yeah, this is all DARPA, and it's all the
military and the intelligence agencies and all of the Dark
Winter stuff they had, you know, Faucci and the former
head of the CIA was playing the role of the
president during the first germ game of Dark Winter. I mean,
it's all the usual suspects that are involved in all
this stuff. It really is a bioweapon that is really

(53:40):
targeted to the population, and it truly is amazing.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
I think they're even going to try and do more
data mining, like go even further than PCR testing with
the wearables where rollout that we're getting now because the information,
like when I learned that our COVID nineteen case numbers
the PCR test is actually getting reported to foreign countries

(54:07):
and our DNA is being data mined and they're able
to tell if we've had a vaccine or not, what's
our ethnicity, where we are, how much money we make,
Like they're layering all of this information. And during Operation
work Speed, they had a program called Tiberius, which was
used in hospitals. There's different palanteer programs that are used

(54:28):
in hospitals to monitor and manage the hospital down to
like staffing. There was even a program that was part
of Operation work Speed called HHS Protect and the hospitals
had to report how many ventilators were in use, how
many patients were there.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
I don't know why my camera just stopped. That was weird.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Well I still have audio, literally, just I didn't do it.
You're back. That's good, you're back.

Speaker 5 (54:56):
So they had this program that hospitals had to report
how many events, how many patients are in the ICU,
how much rend Dezevier. We were using what's our census report?
Like all kinds of information that we that even the
hospital didn't want to have to report, in addition to
all the other data mining.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
We were doing.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
And that program was a pallunteer program called Tiberius, which
it's used in Gaza and that's the one that they
used to assign risk scores. Well, they used that here
already in America during Operation Warp Speed to figure out
if you were vaccinated or not, to target different ethnic

(55:35):
groups for vaccines, and then to figure out where the
counter measures, as in, where did the ventilators need to go,
where did the rend dezevere need to go. So they've
already had these programs in place that are tied into.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Our medical records. And then to hear Larry Ellison say,
we're going to use your medical records and your DNA,
your personal data to design stuff directly to you. And
then in addition, and they say we're going to put
wearables on you.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
They're going to monitor your body at all times for
the purposes of national security. And I don't know how
that doesn't send shivers down the spine in this country.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, we look at their big data
thing that they have to have total information awareness. Remember
everybody was creeped out about that, and yet that is
what this really is. The implementation of this. The big
data is looking at everything that you're doing, not just online,
but they've got to get it out of cyberspace into
physical space with all these other aspects of it, and

(56:33):
companies like Palanteer, they have been focused on geospatial intelligence
and data mining and making all these drawing all these
conclusions about people's politics or religion so forth, based just
on even geospatial intelligence. When they get to additional factors
like this, they know everything about you and we're not

(56:54):
allowed to know anything about what they do or the results.
That's why it really is, at its essence, is an
information war, because you know, it is all the information
that's flowing in one direction, and they have an insatiable
appetite to know everything about everybody. It is part and
parcel of their control, this total knowledge about everyone and everything.

(57:17):
And now AI and especially companies like Palanteer have given
them the ability to go through and collate this massive
amount of data that they've been collecting for some time.
Now they can make sense of it. Because it was
so much information they've been collecting on people, they couldn't
sort through it with humans, and so now they've got
the AI that can sort through this. That is what's
so concerning about all of this.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
And it really is because when you go on social
media and you're fed an algorithm of like which posts
do you get to see today.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
That's going to be how how our whole lives are run.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
And I don't know how many people have known complain
about their algorithm.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Oh it's just it's triggering me today, or I don't
know why my algorithms all screwed up and it's showing
you blah blah.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Well, imagine if that same algorithm is now your government
gets to make decisions about if you're a good person
or not, and if you get to go out today,
or if you get to eat today, or if you
get to use your money today.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's all about total control. And
of course that guy Lucky Loutnik, Howard Lutnik, who is
bragging about how much money he can make knowing that
the government was going to just flood cash into these
pharmaceutical companies. Now I can go in and I can
make money off of that. Right, So he's got this
insider information. He's the guy that's going to be doing

(58:32):
the new public private version of a CBDC. And once
they know all your financial transactions, all the rest any
part of this puzzle, we give them pretty much total
control over your life. But they've got so many different
facets where they are monitoring and collating information about you
that it truly is just overwhelming to even try to

(58:55):
think about it. But again, it's the ignorance and the
darkness that they have fooled everybody with. That's why it's
so important what you're doing. And again the site is
thrill Kill medicalcult dot com and you're also on substack
and people find that at Zowe dot substack dot com.

(59:17):
And it's very important for people to use this information
try to wake people up as to what's going on.
They've not only hidden stuff from people, but they have
in terms of inoculation. The one thing they've inoculated you
against is the truth, and they've inoculated you against questioning
what they tell people. And that's why you need to

(59:38):
try to wake people up with sites like Zoe's as well. So,
is there anything else that you would like to hit.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
I just if anyone is interested, I'm going to be
doing a memorial for the people that we've lost to
hospital protocols and vaccine injured, including women who may have
had a stillbirth or a miscarriage due to the shot.
Oh yeah, So if you go to my website, there's

(01:00:08):
a page called vigil and if you'd like to submit
a name of a loved one, you don't have to
tell us anything more, just the name of a loved one.
You could even just put you know, baby boy or
baby girl if you like. And we're going to be
lighting a candle in remembrance of your loved ones. So
if you like, please go and submit a name and

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we will honor your lost It's important.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
We cannot forget what they've done to us, and we
cannot forget those that they have killed. That's absolutely vital.
Thank you so much for what you do. Again, Zoe Smith.
Her website is Thrill Kill Medical Cult dot com and
you can find her on substack at Zoe dot substack
dot com and she spelled Zoe Zowe. Thank you so

(01:00:54):
much for joining us. We take a quick break, folks,
and we will be right back. Stay with us.

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Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Well, let's take a look at the AI bubble, and
of course it's kind of interesting soft Bank. You know,
we were just talking about Stargate project Larry Ellison and
the bank that came in was this Japanese bank called
soft Bank. They're very much invested in technology issues, and
that was what Trump kicked off his second administration with well.

(01:02:22):
Soft Bank dumped every single share of Nvidia, and that
had an effect on the entire market, not just on
Nvidia stock. Remember we talked about Michael Burry, the guy
behind the the who sussed out big short who sussed
out what was going on the market, real estate market,

(01:02:45):
fraud and bubble, and he focused on shorting in Vidia
as well as Palanteer. And so we've had a lot
of big players and people who are very professional, very savvy,
who were calling and so in Video went down by
one and a half percent after soft Bank sold all

(01:03:07):
of their shares, and and then of course Pollenteer is
also going down. And Volunteer was really the biggest bet
that Michael Burry of the big short put on. It
was actually when he did the big short of over
a billion dollars, which is like eighty percent of his
company or his fund or whatever. So eighty four percent

(01:03:27):
of that short was Palenteer and fourteen percent or sixteen
percent was the in Vidia. And somebody put this up
in verse Kramer, So look at Kramer as being a
contra indicator of what they should invest in. The said
Jim Crater. Jim Kramer remains undefeated, and so what they

(01:03:47):
have there is a suite that he put out as
recently as the twenty ninth of October, and he was saying,
I'm taking my price target for Palenteer from two hundred
to two hundred and fifty exclamation mark. Well it went
from two hundred when he said that down to now
about maybe one hundred and sixty five one hundred and seventy.
As I said, he remains undefeated as always being the

(01:04:10):
counter indicator of where things should go. And you know,
when I look at all of this hype about AI robots,
so we got from Elon Musk last week and so
many others, you know, the AI hype, the robotic hype
and everything. This is Russia and their robot that they
wanted to demonstrate. Again, we always hear about Russian bots. Right,

(01:04:31):
they're talking about AI that is putting out narratives on
social media. But here's a literal Russian bot and people's
comments are about this. It looks like they used a
drunk to teach us robot how to walk. Say that's
walking there, and I watch what happens. Takes another couple
of steps and just like a drunk, it falls down

(01:04:54):
on the side. Watches it's coming staggering, that goes down.
Let's hope that is a metaphor for robotics and for AI. Again,
as I said last week, a lot of people are
looking at this and they said, well, you know, how
does this end. Well, there's only two or three combinations
of this that could go. Either the AI hype and

(01:05:17):
the bubble bursts and takes down the economy big time
or global economy big time, or it is successful and
it takes everybody's jobs. And I said, well, there's a
third alternative that it is sustained by the governments who
use it to control us. And I think that is
true of both AI and robotics. I think that the

(01:05:41):
best use case for all this stuff is tyranny and totalitarianism. Well,
SoftBank dumped their entire Nvidia stake, but they're not getting
out of AI completely, so it's not a complete pushback
against AI. They just decided that they would move from
Nvidia to some other platforms are still involved in AI,

(01:06:07):
and they had just under six billion dollar steak in Nvidia,
and the guy who is the head of soft bank,
his name is go To. I guess he's the go
to guy if you want some tech capital. I can't
say if we're in an AI bubble or not, said
go To, adding that the sale was for capital and

(01:06:29):
can be utilized for our financing. So he's not going
to say that we're in an AI bubble because he's
got some other irons in the fire and he doesn't
want to tank this thing.

Speaker 12 (01:06:37):
I can neither confirm nor deny that we are in
an ALI bubble.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Yeah, but a lot of people have been confirming that
as a matter of fact, Zero Hedge pointed out, I said, well,
we've had four recent articles that are really must read.
Here's the headlines, the AI bubble watchout. Metric has just snapped.
AI is now a debt bubble too, quietly surpass seeing
all banks to become the largest sector in the market.

(01:07:04):
And Sam Altman denying open AI needs a government bailout.
He just wants massive government subsidies. So yeah, we do
the subsidies so we don't have to do the bailout.
So it had in fact, the course on Nvidio, but
also on a lot of different stocks. The futures slid
down as AI jitter's return. And yet no matter how

(01:07:28):
many people come out, no matter how many people who
are large and connected come out against this, you still
have the bubble continues to inflate. And another company was
involved in that as well, Core Weave. They rent out
access to the AI chips and they had some interesting
issues there and setbacks as well. But this article from

(01:07:53):
Free Thought Project is very timely. They said it is
time to pay attention. Europe has just viscerated monetary privacy
and it's going to be coming here to the United
States next. They're basically starting down the path of banning
all cash, state run digital money. That's the law that
has passed and it goes live in only four hundred days,

(01:08:15):
and so they're going to make it criminal to pay
cash for anything over ten thousand euros. But of course
that level is going to continue to come down. That's
why you need to get into physical gold and silver.
You've got to get out of this system, and that's
what they're talking about. They have a lot of different
alternatives in this Free Thought Project article. One thing they
don't mention strangely enough, is physical gold and silver. I

(01:08:36):
think that is the simplest, easiest, most direct thing to
essentially short the tautalitarianism. That's what you need to be doing.
Don't short the market, short that tatalitarianism. Go to David Night,
dye Gold. I'll take you to tony Ardiban's why is
Wolf Gold? Have a good day.

Speaker 13 (01:08:52):
Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Keith Riegert says that there's only two possibilities for AI.
It's either going to collapse the economy if it doesn't
work out, or if it does work out, the use
case is to take everybody's job and make everybody's jobs obsolete.
Not a good prospect. If those are the two choices
that are there. I think, though, that there is a

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third choice, and that is that the government. Maybe it
won't take everybody's jobs, and maybe it won't collapse the
economy because maybe the AI bubble won't burst, but we
will live under a dystopian control surveillance grid because that's
what the government will use it for. So there's a
third alternative. AI's killer use case, folks, is surveillance and

(01:10:51):
control of us. And that's why the government is going
to be so desperate to fund it whatever it takes.
If you want to know why gold and silver and
bigcore are soaring, it's the debasement of the dollar in
order to fund the AI arms race, they said. And
of course energy is the reality factor in all of this.

(01:11:13):
That's where it gets real. And that's one of the
reasons why Bill Gates and others are moving back away
from the climate mcguffin. The plandemic. Mcguffin gives them all
the justification that they need, and they need to have
this surveillance control and ID this control grade that is there.
They need to have that, and they need to have
artificial intelligence to run that. So they're pulling back from

(01:11:35):
that because in order to have the AI control structure,
they've got to have massive amounts of energy, all right.
And joining us now is doctor Richard Restak, MD, and
he is a neuroscientist as well, and he has written

(01:11:56):
a lot of books on the brain and now this
is one kind of the nexus of our brain and
artificial intelligence. So I wanted to get them on because
we as we talk about AI and its impact on
society quite a bit. Thank you for joining us, doctor Restick.

Speaker 6 (01:12:13):
Well, I'm happy to be here. Thank you, David.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
You've written so many books and best selling author and
of course people can bind this on Amazon. You've written
so many books. What is different about the brain? What
is different about this one? And why did you write
this book?

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
I wrote this book to announce and to discuss the
dangers that are lurking and so to speak, in the
twenty first century and are unique to the going first century,
but are having an effect on the brain, and a
negative one, so that we really are imperiled by eight
different factors, one of which is the global warming. We

(01:12:52):
have new diseases that are present in the twenty first
century that are increasing, starting with COVID and moving forward.
We have problems to course with the global warming, which
we'll talk about more detail. And then the Internet, the
effect of the internet, the effect of AI memory, the alteration,

(01:13:15):
the attempt to alter memory, almost to alter our memories
of what the past is like. This is an ongoing
enterprise by various governments of the world, including our own.
We also have surveillance, the seventh a surveillance becoming increasingly
a surveillance society. It's almost impossible to not be revealing

(01:13:38):
things about yourself because there's surveillance cameras everywhere. I can
give you several examples, not just in my own personal life.
And then finally, the eighth one is anxiety. All of
these things are creating what I call an existential anxiety.
People are being given information, but it's being molded or

(01:14:00):
to the thoughts and the inclinations of people in power.
For instance, let's take today's right out of New York Times.
On page A seven, there's an article called the air
in New Delhi is life threatening, and it tells the
tale of the New York Times reporters who have spread

(01:14:22):
themselves throughout New Delhi from six am until late in
the evening of a certain day recently, and they measured
the particulate matter in the air and it was anywhere
from ten times to thirty times as great as would
be considered minimally normal. Now, on top of that, you

(01:14:45):
have the statement that they state that the government is
actually trying to hide this kind of insight to the
populace by spraying water and other things like that. It
says that they're doing around the measuring stations. They're also
losing data from measuring stations during the worst outs pollution.

(01:15:10):
So there you have the molding of the facts, either
denying them all together or trying to improve them so that
people say, oh, well, they measured it down. It's such
and such a measuring station, and it was really not
a lot of high. Of course, they were spreading water
and other things to try to reduce this. So we've
got a capitalist society here in the United States which

(01:15:33):
has invested interest in pushing forward certain scientific points of view.
So science is being put in the back seat. And
as politicians and other people, all of whom share one thing,
capitalistic enterprises in which they're part of for which they
are advancing, and a.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Kind of crony capitalism where they can get and subsidies
as well. And the control is being taken away from
us because, as I was just reporting earlier today, they're
working very hard to make sure that state and local
governments can't enact any control on artificial intelligence. And they
came up in the context of talking about how the

(01:16:18):
manufacturers of tasers also big manufacturers of police body camps,
how they want to wed that to artificial intelligence. And
the question is, you know, what could possibly go wrong
with that? If they identify you, they misidentify you, as
a dangerous criminal and warn the police about how dangerous
you are. They could get people killed.

Speaker 6 (01:16:39):
Well not only that, but all these efforts set up
a sense of anxiety, yes and fear. Let me tell
you what happened to me. One morning, called a cab
to go to medical appointment, and we've started going down
the road. I said to the driver, you know you're
not going the most efficient or the quickest way. He said,

(01:17:01):
I know that, he said, but I don't want to
go that way because they're speed cameras. I said, well,
you know you're driving very sensibly and you're not speeding,
and I'm in no hurry. So what's the problem. He said, Well,
they take pictures of everybody that goes by those cameras
because they want to see who's in those photos in
those cars. So I asked them to give me a

(01:17:22):
reference for that, and he got set of didn't say
anything else for the rest of the trip. So when
I got down to the medical building, I got in
the elevator and said, in this facility there is surveillance,
both obvious and hidden.

Speaker 8 (01:17:38):
And.

Speaker 6 (01:17:41):
This is one morning. And then when I got up
to sign in, I signed the board with an electronic
pen and I didn't see you go no signature. I said,
well it didn't take. It took, but we don't know
it to go on the screen so it could be seen.
I said, why is that? Said, well, somebody haunt you
might see the thing and then remember it and use

(01:18:03):
your for your signature to forward something somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Well, first of.

Speaker 6 (01:18:09):
All, there was a sign that said stand ten feet back,
and secondly, there's nobody else behind me. So there's three
examples just drawing it random that we're becoming an increasingly
surveilled society, which is creating a sense of paranoia and
a sense of fear. So the bringing has to adjust
to these type of things, Dave, And it's very hard

(01:18:29):
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
And I think that is calculated. You know they've been
they want to do this even to the extent and
when you talk about these cameras taking everybody's picture, the
flock network that is out there, this corporation that is saying, well,
we can do whatever we want because it's in public space,
and you know we're we're not government, so we can
collect this information. And yet they collect it in order

(01:18:52):
to sell it to the government. So it's just one
level in direct but they not only grab your license plate,
but they also do a complete profile of your car
and all of its idiosyncrasies. Is and have a dent here,
to have a scrape there, what about a bumper sticker?
So it creates a model of your car. And so
they almost have like, you know, biometric identification of your

(01:19:13):
cars as well as of you. And this is now
made possible because of the advances of AI. But this
has been something that has been concerning me. I look
at things kind of from a libertarian perspective, and this
has been concerning me for a long time. The idea
that government is using technology, many different ways of Internet,

(01:19:35):
social media, things like that, to monitor and to manipulate
us all the time. And to me, artificial intelligence just
puts this on steroids. And so I think there's something
to be anxious about. If we're going to look at this,
we should be concerned about it. Maybe not anxious, but
we should be concerned about the goals of people who

(01:19:57):
are putting this kind of stuff together.

Speaker 6 (01:20:01):
But there's that, and then there's if you can manage
to change the present, you can manipulate the future. Of course,
it's the real way to get it is to get
control of the past. Is warwell pointed out. You control
the past, you know, you can control the present and
by the implication, control of the future. And we're seeing
alterations of materials, even government documents, government films, documentaries, things

(01:20:28):
like that are being altered in ways that are not
visible I should say detectable, not detectable to the ordinary person.
So they get ideas about what the past was like
which are wrong and don't show you. As I mentioned
in the book, if you were at a dance in

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eighteen fifty before the Civil War and it's a film
or watching let's just say we're watching a film about
eighteen fifty and we're seeing people ballroom dancing all that,
and then one of them pulls the side and pulls
out a cell phone, and you say, wait a minute,
we didn't have cell phones. Then, well, you know, there

(01:21:09):
were a lot of things that were.

Speaker 8 (01:21:10):
Going on.

Speaker 6 (01:21:12):
Now that we're not going on in the past, and
it's not too our advantage to try to pretend that
they were. They weren't. We have to understand the past
understand the future, and we're not only creating situations that
are false, but we're also like in nineteen eighty four.

(01:21:33):
Or Well created a character called Commander Olov, that he
was a war hero, he got all sorts of medals,
and it was all the products that were all told
to honor him and so forth. Well, he never existed.
He actually was made up entirely. And that's one of
the things that the narrator is doing in the job

(01:21:56):
work is filling in photographs of secuence earning old will
be into historical events that happened, wartime scenarios, et cetera.
Anyone reading it will say, wow, this is this is
some man. Well, he was a complete fabrication. We're just
about at that point with Sora out the the AI. Well,

(01:22:18):
it could take you and had you, you know, to
say let's get to David Knight and have him leading
some sort of a parade or whatever, and you know
suddenly people say, well, gosh, I saw with my own eyes.
So what's happening is that the actual seeing is believing,
is being turned on its head. So that's no longer true.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
You're talking about a completely fabricated character out of Orwell.
It's just recently they had Tillie Norwood, who is a
completely fabricated AI personality, and the person who came up
with it is got agents representing her. They got her
out there as an actress. I mean, it's like I've
created an AI actress which will do a lot of
different roles for you, probably does their own stunts as well.

(01:23:01):
I mentioned that people in SAG the screen actors guil
and they're furious about this, And I said, any agent
that presents this AI character is not going to do
any business with us. But we're already at that point.
It truly is interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:23:16):
Yeah, And one of the ways of neutralizing it is
to create the situation that exists right now between you
and me. You're laughing, and I'm laughing because it seems funny,
and it is funny, but it's a very serious purpose
behind all of this. Yes, it's all better to try
to alter people's perceptions so that they begin to doubt
the varietity of what they're seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
That's right. Yes. And I've talked for the longest time
about how the whole idea for the Internet was created
by darpest psychologists, and I've been concerned that it was
all about the psychological manipulation from the get go with
all of this. But as a physician and as a neuroscientist,
I'd be interested in your take on what is currently

(01:23:59):
going on, because besides manipulating the past by changing information
about the past or you know, memory holding it or
writing a new alternative history of it, they are also concerned.
And there's been projects that have been put out by DARPA,
and I don't know if they've been successful or not,
but you know they're putting out requests for people to
come up with things to manipulate people's memories. So you've

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got a soldier, they say it, who's got bad PTSD.
Let's get rid of that memory. Let's give them different memories.
What do you see in terms of someone who studies
the brain and neuroscience, what do you see about that?
What do you take as I think is the state
of the art with that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
Well, my last book was called The Complete Book of Memory.
It had to do with memory. It stightly memory in
great detail. And of course you have to do a
way with the concept that memory is like a videotape
or something that you just store in your brain and
when you get and want to get it, you just
bring it out like you bring out a videotape. It's
not like that it's a reconstruction. Each time you think

(01:25:03):
back to a certain event, you alter that memory so
that you have memory one, memory two, memory three, on
and on and all. That's the nature of memory, and
memory can be manipulated. It's always, you know, in the courtroom,
they're always trying to avoid the contamination of the witness.

(01:25:24):
An example that would be, well, which car went through
the red light? And to ask a witness and he said, oh,
it was a red car went through the red light. Well,
would it surprise you to know that it wasn't a
red light but it was a stop sign? Misterial witness,
of course, his credibility is gone because he took the

(01:25:44):
suggestion that it was a red light instead. It'll be
very easy to do because you don't necessarily have that
image of that intersection in your mind. So that's why
there's protections even in the courtroom against leading witness. They
call it, in other words, providing information that's either not
true at all, are half true. So we've got that call.

(01:26:08):
This is not this didn't start in the twenty first century.
That that started, you know, as long as we've had
court rooms. This is a more emphasis now on altering memory.
So the people will not will get up there an
undercross examination, they'll do pretty well because their whole memory
has been altered. They've changed by various mechanisms suggestion, repeating

(01:26:30):
information which is false, of course, which is the misinformation.
There was a cartoon about a week ago by Ramirez
in which he's spilled the prize winner. He has three
doctors in an operating room, there's in a laboratory. One
of them is looking into a microscope and he looks

(01:26:51):
up and he says, this is the most dangerous pathogen
we have ever encountered. And the second doctor says, well,
is it ubonic plague is a small box, And then
the one that says, no, it's misinformation. Disinformation.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
That's right, And we've got to be very careful because
many times the people who will tell us about that
are the people who want to be the ones who
define what the information is for us, and they will
ask those leading questions. You know, when we talk about
leading questions and manipulating people. There's been a lot of
reports about artificial intelligence kind of people who have a

(01:27:33):
particular psychosis or something and they get involved with the
AI and it starts to confirm the things that they want,
because that's what it is set up to do in
terms of bias that want to you know, be empathetic
and sympathetic to people, and so it starts doing that
and leading them further and further down a particular rabbit hole.
There's been situations of you know, people who got into

(01:27:55):
severe mental distress, some suicides of some young children and
other things speak to that aspect of it and the
real danger of that. That is really kind of I
think speaks to the psychological aspect and potential of artificial intelligence,
and that could be weaponized. Right now, it's just kind
of happening out of their business model, right but that

(01:28:17):
could definitely be weaponized against people.

Speaker 13 (01:28:20):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:28:20):
I talk about that in my book in the chapter
on the Internet. There are famous examples of people who
have suicided right on the internet live feed, and they've
been manipulated to doing that by other people who've encouraged
them said this would be a sign of strength, this

(01:28:41):
would be a sign of that you're not afraid to
die if necessary. And there's cases of us that actually
led to the suicide. One of them is most Grizzly.
I have in my book about a person who has
talked into pouring gasoline over themselves and setting a match
all on open feed Internet. And while this fire is burning,

(01:29:05):
you can hear everybody in the backgrounds cheering we did it,
We did it. We got them to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:29:14):
So there's something about the Internet and about that actually
brings out statistic, criminal, psychopathic trends, and we don't know why.
Is the fact that you don't necessarily can't be identified.
It's something that is going to be influencing and has
influence the Internet greatly, and it will continue to do so,

(01:29:37):
so we understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
I think that's one of the things that's so dangerous
about the things that we saw with lockdown other aspects
of it. There's an atomization here and so many different
ways the government and tech companies are trying to make
sure that we don't we're not in person with each other.
You know, many cases like for example, in this interview,

(01:30:00):
I couldn't do this interview if we both had if
one of both of us had to travel. We were
able to do this because we can do it over
zoom or whatever. But just taking ordinary things that you
would normally do in terms of interacting with people in
school or in church, or in your community or whatever.
Taking that away and putting a screen between the two

(01:30:21):
of you, it really does change the way people interact
with each other. I remember Errol Morris, the film director,
was able to get people to say all kinds of things.
He got a murderer to confess, he he got Robert
McNamara to confess about the false fly goo the Vietnam War.
He got people say all kinds of stuff because there
was that distance between him and them. He could have

(01:30:43):
interviewed them in person. But what he did was he
put an interotron, which he is what he called it.
It was basically a teleprompter that he had set up
so he could do two way communication at the time.
And once he had that distance there, then it completely
changed the dynamics that he would have versus with somebody
person to person. And that's what we're talking about here,

(01:31:03):
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:31:04):
Yeah, we're talking about that, And of course there's integradations
of this, and it continues like we're you're interviewing me,
We're discussing. I feel like it's a discussion. If I
were to say something that later I regretted, I could
probably say Oh, well, that wasn't me. That was my avatar.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Or my agent. Right, I got an AI agent that's
out there doingpolysis. That's right, that's crazy. We also see though,
as a doctor, you're seeing people have noticed actual physical
changes that can be observed in people's brains. I'm thinking
of the story about the London taxi drivers who would
do the knowledge and they would find that as they

(01:31:46):
memorized all these factual details and drew on that all
the time in order to take people to uh, you know,
this very complicated city with its complicated streets, that they
had a particular part of the brain that was larger
than the typical person. And then they found that once
they stopped doing that, it started to shrink again. And
we're starting to see that happening with people in a

(01:32:09):
lot of different areas of their life. That kind of
atrophy and it's physically observable, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:15):
Well, it is. You have to learn. You have to
use the things that you have learned to do. Like
I mentioned in my memory book, there's all kinds of
memory exercises that you can do. I do them every
day and they're very easy and they can help you
to continue with your with your memory to keep it sharp.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Give us some examples. I'm sure everybody would love to
know that. I would all like to have a better memory.
What kind of things do we can we do to
exercise I.

Speaker 6 (01:32:41):
Think about the fact that you never had to learn
pictures when you were an infant and a young child.
A picture was something that you could You may not
know what you're looking at, but you could see it
without an intermediary. Language is something that you have to
hear from other people. It's something that's sort of added
on to the brain. Okay, So as a result, the

(01:33:05):
most the best way of remembering something is to make
a image for it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:33:15):
For instance, I have a little dog called a skipper Key.
Skipper Key is a Belgian dog. He's a nice little fellow.
But it was embarrassing to me when walking the street,
people say what kind of a dog is that? And
it couldn't come up with a name because it was
such complicated. And I thought that skipper Key I didn't
speak any doubt or anything. So then I got this

(01:33:36):
image of a small boat with a large captain with
a beard holding a big key. So it was skipper Key,
and I remember forever, So I was going to have
the picture. Once I have the picture, it's easy to
do another way, easy way to do it, and you
can do that with all kinds of times. All the time,
I was going upstairs before I came down to the office,

(01:34:00):
and I wanted to get my wallet, and I wanted
to get my cell phone. So I just had an
image of a wallet in the form of a cell phone,
and I was walking up the stairs talking into the
wallet cell phone. So I got up and I knew
I had these two elements to get. Be very easy
to get one and forget the other. So you have

(01:34:21):
these images all the time, and the quickest you know,
this is sort of off the topic of the book,
but if you want to have a firepower memory for
a load of things, it's up to ten things and
get ten areas that you are familiar with that you
see every day, and then you could put on those

(01:34:45):
images the thing you're trying to remember. So if I'm
trying to remember a loaf of bread, milk, maybe a batteries,
I have a regular way of doing that. I have,
like I remember the library that's near my home, the

(01:35:06):
coffee shop, liquor store, Georgetown University Medical School where I went,
Georgetown University, Cafe Milano, which is a place in Washington
everybody gathers, and then Keybridge, Ela, Jeema Memorial, and Regan Airport.

(01:35:26):
So that bread would be, for instance, the loaf of bread.
I was looking in the window of the library instead
of seeing books, I see bread, loaves of bread. And
when I get down to the liquor store, instead of
it being filled with liquor, that'll be built bottles. So
that's how I loved to get two it. So I
have those ten so I can get ten items together
not any problems at all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
That's great. Yeah, you know, it's interesting you talk about
the importance of a visualization. It's one of the things
that I do in terms of preparing for the show.
I have a lot of articles that I go through
and it's really when I highlight things or when I
write them down, that's when I can remember them. If
I don't do that, if I were just to read
these things, I wouldn't remember them. But if I interact

(01:36:09):
with it and write it down, that helps me to
remember it. So that is a kind of visualization there,
I guess as well. It is. It truly is interesting
what you said earlier about memory not being something that
is stored in a place. As somebody coming from a
computer science background, that was a very different thing. When
you construct your your memories, you know, how do you

(01:36:30):
reconstruct that? I mean that that that as opens up
a whole new area of questions as well. In other words,
if every time somebody brings up a subject, I mean,
there isn't something that's stored initially to reference that and
then rebuild from that.

Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
Yeah, there's that. There's the interconnections. Like you know, somebody
listening to us might say, well, gee, this is called
the twenty first century brain, but I haven't heard that
much about the brain. Well, let we just link that
up so that these things make sense. We have a
new version, or I should say, a new understanding of
the brain, called the connectomic brain, in which there's all

(01:37:07):
kinds of interactions in the brain of parts of the
brain which you don't we're just learning about. I have
the I use the metaphor of a bull of spaghetti.
You pull out one of the strains of spaghetti and
you're never have any idea what it's connected to. How
many other strains is spaghetti? This is connected to so

(01:37:28):
that if you think of the brain as being kind
of set to make connections, that's its natural processing. So
it gets back to these things that we were talking
about earlier, you know, global warming and memory and surveillance
and all that. How are we going to solve all
those Well, somehow or other, those things are connected with

(01:37:52):
each other. That's the take home message of this book.
And the basic goal is to try to figure out
what it is that connects these things, what it is
that would allow us to buy solving one of them
solve the other. And I mentioned at the end of

(01:38:13):
the book experts. So far I haven't done it. So
it's useful, as Hiak said, to get ordinary people to give.
When I say ordinary, I mean non specialized people to
give their ideas. Do you I wonder what such and
such would happen, what would happen about global warning? For
a while there was, in fact there's still experiments going

(01:38:36):
on on the effect of sulfur that would help the
CO two problem and you know, shooting sulfur up into
the atmosphere. Of course, the reason for that was the
volcano in nineteen eighty something in which after that volcano
in Hawaii, it was noted that the air was clearer

(01:38:59):
and less sollution. So that's something to think about, is
there's some way of using that particular sulfur experiment to
decrease global warming. War, for instance, we don't think of
war as the cause of global warming, but it is
too clear warning it does since the the Ukraine War

(01:39:24):
and the gauze of war. Then you know, a tremendous
amount that's going to overcome and exceed the benefit of
any of these things, like you know, non gasoline engines,
but using things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Absolutely. Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, shooting up
rockets in order to put satellites up. You know how
many how many cars and lifetime use of cars from
people would that be equivalent to? And you start talking
about all the missiles that are being shot and then
you get to the explosives as well. Uh, it is
really interesting how they focus us on their objectives for

(01:40:03):
their ways to control the manipulation has been going on
for quite some time, and so yeah, that is it
is pretty amazing. And I guess that's my you know my,
when we look at this stuff, it really does look
like science fiction. And I'm almost inclined to write it
off when I first see it, when DARPA is saying, well,
we need to find some way that we can, you know,

(01:40:24):
erase memories and people and insert new memories into them.
And we were going back to total recall, right, so
it sounds like something from Philip K. Dick novel, but
they're really working on that. And I guess one of
the most striking things that we saw we reported on
a couple of weeks ago, and it was a company
that was bragging about how they could read your mind

(01:40:47):
more accurately and quickly than their competitors, because there's a
lot of different companies that are doing this, and how
they could. It's called brain it was the name of
the company, and so they had a way that they
would do MRI and they could essentially train it on
your brain and in a shorter period of time the

(01:41:08):
other people, and they could get much better results. And
our producers just pull this up. So what they do
is they show you an image and you're looking at
that image, and then it's reading your mind and reconstructing
what you're looking at, which I thought was absolutely amazing
and terrifying at the same time. How is this going
to be used? I guess that's the real issue when
we start talking about all these different things. I think

(01:41:30):
that is the real case that it's difficult for people
to understand just how far and how quickly the technology
has progressed, and then to say, and how do we
control this from it being used for bad purposes?

Speaker 6 (01:41:44):
Well, that's specifically twenty first century problem. Yes, because all
of these things are either originated in the twenty first
century or they have in fact further developed to become
increasingly threatening. And bear in mind, we have to have
to solve these problems because they're not something that's going
to go away. And then the most important thing to remember, David,

(01:42:08):
is that all of these things harm the brain, and
the brain is the thinking processor. It's going to save us.
It's going to figure out what the problems, what the
solutions to the problems are. So we know now that
wildfire smoke, for instance, it creates dementia. It enhances the

(01:42:28):
likelihood of Stuffy's coming to menash. So as the brain
is affected negatively increasingly over longer and longer periods of time,
our ability to solve these problems is going to decrease.
So we've got to do it now. We've got to
get serious about it. And this business of people getting
up saying the global warming is fiction and all that

(01:42:51):
is really very very disturbing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
Yeah. Well, you know the example that you gave earlier
of the fact that the Indian govern was manipulating the
temperature at some of the stations there. That kind of
works both ways. They have put some of the temperature
stations on the airport tarmacs, and in the UK they
have a lot of the temperature stations that they've got there.
They're just extrapolating the data. They don't have real temperature

(01:43:17):
measurement stations there. So it all really gets back, I think,
to the scientific method, and that's really where we have
to hold people's feet to the fire. We're talking about
something like that. We can have an absolute standard of
what truth is, and that truth is going to be
being able to measure something accurately and being able to
reproduce that. And then I think a good yardstick for

(01:43:39):
that is when somebody is trying to hide their data.
That's that's the clue right there that they're not doing science.
Because if they're doing science and they've come to the
right conclusion, they don't have a problem with somebody looking
at their data. And so I've got a question here
for you from a person in the audience asking you
know about doctors James and Charles Morgan and their work

(01:44:02):
with military. I'm not familiar with those names. I don't
know if you know anything about that or not.

Speaker 6 (01:44:07):
To your Donna says familiar, What particular thing are they
asking about them?

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
I don't know. It just says their work with military.
I guess i'd have to do with something, but you
haven't heard of it.

Speaker 6 (01:44:17):
I'm not sure I could say to your dollar, did
this or did that?

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Sure? I understand. Yeah, let's talk a little bit about
the things that we have been anxious about, and of course,
as Christians, we have one answer to it. But you
talk about how this is something that has been around
pretty much all of our life. I mean there was
I grew up with anxiety about nuclear war, for example.
That was on everybody's television, and that was a fourth

(01:44:45):
front front of our mind, especially growing up in Florida.
When they cub of Missile crisis was happening. They got
us really afraid of that. When I was in elementary school,
you know, it's like, there's not gonna be enough time
for you to get home, you know, a nuclear bomb
started falling in So I mean, there's all these different
ways that you can panic people. I guess part of
it is how do we identify the real problems and

(01:45:07):
how do we deal with those problems, because there's always
things that are competing for our attention and our anxiety,
many of which are not real, you know, and usually
the things that you're really the most concerned about won't happen,
and it may be sometimes because you have taken a
precaution about it. What would you say about that about anxiety?

Speaker 6 (01:45:32):
You're starting to break up a little bit, can you
hear me clearly?

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
I hear you, yes, Yes, Sorry about that. You're talking
about breaking up a little bit. You're talking about traumatizing
a population. You know, what do we do to guard
against that type of thing? And of course that's going
to really escalate with the ability of AI to create
a narrative.

Speaker 6 (01:45:55):
Yeah, well, let's talk about it as an avenue to
get into that. Let's go back to what you've brought
about the atomic weapons and the atomic war, the fears
of the people that there's going to be another atomic war.
I mean, you know this is not unrealistic. There's even
going to movie that's just come out that's getting all
kinds of attention, as you know, and it has to

(01:46:17):
do with the threat of a nuclear war things in
the If you look at what's happening in Europe right now,
there's all kinds of suggestions that it could lead to
a nuclear war. I mean, Ukraine now has announced that
they're under no conditions willing to give up any land,
and Stalin is I mean Putin is thinking what he

(01:46:40):
can do to change that, but maybe he'll attack another country.
I mean, this is scary stuff. So what's happening in
response to the government is to try to show that, oh,
we shouldn't worry about it, we have things under control.
But I don't think things are under control.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
And we talked about the problems, and we talked about problems.
All you have your final chapter is new ways of thinking,
and i'd like to talk about that. One of the
things that you say is OCAM was wrong. Occom's razor
that you know people are familiar with. Tell us a
little bit about that. Why is I come wrong?

Speaker 6 (01:47:19):
Well, because he says that you know, the entities are
not to be multiplied, meaning that we can always explain
things best by limiting ourselves to the minimum amount of factors,
ideally one one cause of every effect. That's not true.
It's certainly not true in the twenty first century. There's
all kinds of interactions between factors and cause, so that

(01:47:42):
Ocam was wrong in that basis. We have to think
of an interconnecting pool, just as in the brain, of
interconnections of neurons, interconnections of these problems, and they're all related.
They're all really all eight of them I talk about
in my book. They're all related. And if you can
figure way of into and seeing one, you influence all
the others. I mean, who would think there'd be a

(01:48:05):
connection between global warming and the amount of artisan and cheese,
for instance, high end cheese. Well there is, because they
don't chicken stole lay the many eggs, and it would
be all the various other things to come on in
terms of making cheese. I turned out learned that the
other day. That was something that was a surprise to me.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
You know, it's kind of interesting. We talked about connections
so much, and there was a series that was I
think it was on PBS. I think the guy's name
was Burke. I can't remember his first name. I'm not
sure about the last name. But he had a series
called Connections, and I thought it was fascinating because what
he would do is he would take a whole series
of connections to show how a particular technology had evolved,

(01:48:49):
you know, so he might go from you know, the
quill to the to the jet engine or something like that.
And it was a fascinating, fascinating thread of things, very
much like what you're talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:49:04):
He really is, and I did consult his work. Actually
I was writing this book because he did that Connections.
He did a book called The Day the World Changed
and all this. He also did a book called Circles,
in which he would start with one particular event that
he cared in history, and if you go around the circle,
you come back to the beginning where it started, Where

(01:49:26):
this particular inventor invented something, what led up to it,
What was the circle leading to that. So, yes, we're
talking about connections, and we're talking about the inability to
understand things without reference to supporting an accessory factors. We
have that going all the time, denying things that are
going to be happening. Of course, I think the fearful

(01:49:49):
thing is that the government is aiding in this denial,
because if you would deny that there's a problem, then
there's very little impetus to try to solve it, you know. Yeah,
and the three year no problem don't try to solve.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
They're they're throwing out their own chaos and uncertainty and
anxiety that's out there all the time always, I guess.
So the question is you're talking about volatility, uncertainty, complexity,
and ambiguity. I mean it sounds like a government policy.
I think they've got bureaucracies that specialize on that.

Speaker 6 (01:50:26):
Yeah, yeah, well actually that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
Yeah, that's in your section there about new ways of
thinking and so how do we incorporate that in the
new ways of thinking that help us to solve this riddle?

Speaker 6 (01:50:39):
Well, each of those factors is a factor that helps
you to understand things and to have more control. It
doesn't necessarily mean it helps you to link them together.
That has to be done by original thinking. You have
to be under those things. Things are evolvedble you don't
have a basic situation that doesn't change. It changes all

(01:51:02):
the time. So that the other the other thing that
I want to emphasize the most is that is the
role of capitalism in all of this. I mean there's
all this, like the private equity, the business of people
having a point of view that is going to advance
them financially and that blinding them to the problems that

(01:51:26):
are here. Like, for instance, we talked about global warming. Well,
the rich people of very rich people are buying multi
million dollar departments and condominiums which have special air filters
which will keep wildfire smoke out and we'll try to
keep the global warming effect at bay by superpower air conditioners.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
So the building they're building their own bunkers to buildings
that are creating all kinds of chaos and and you know,
weapons of war mass destruction. They're out there building super
bunkers in various places as well. So I think they're
somewhat pessimistic about what they're doing.

Speaker 6 (01:52:10):
Well, it's basically the idea is that you know, we
don't care about the ordinary person. We're going to survive.
We're going to see to our own survival and if
we in order to do that, we have to deny
certain things that are that are going on, will do so. Now, incidentally,
all of this is not conscious thinking. They don't necessarily say, well,
I'm going to deny global warming because it'll be to

(01:52:32):
my advantage financially, because all my investment is in the globe.
The oil and gas industry, they don't do it that way.
They come up with pseudo logic things that seem to
make sense to them, But if they didn't have a
financial thrust in the matter, they would look out upon
it quite differently.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
That's right. We can always find a justification for what
it was, what it is that we really want. Everybody
should understand that. If you're parent this time year, at
Christmas time, you can always understand that people will come
up with a justification for what they want. And that's
that's as true of government as it is of corporations
out there, and it's really dangerous one of the two
of them connect with each other. I think that's one

(01:53:13):
of the things. You know, you talk about connections and
the importance of it and how we can try to
connect these different factors, each of us individually, But I
think it's the human connection that is out there that
is going to be essential for all of this. It's
going to be our collective work on and all this.
What do you think about that. Would you agree with that, Well.

Speaker 6 (01:53:33):
I'd agree with it. But there's so many things that
are taking place now that are causing the schisms and yes,
splitting people into factors and belief systems and political points
of view, and that's very dangerous because then you can't
get together any kind of unity, even in the face
of an emergency.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
Well, I think we've always had I think we've always
had these factor you know, factions and things like that.
You know, the found under the country warned about factions
and political parties. But I think what makes it unique
is that when you're interacting with people on a personal basis,
you interact with them a little bit differently than if
you've got that separation between you that technology is giving

(01:54:15):
us now, because now you're interacting with something that's abstract,
it's not with another person, and there's also the body
language that you're not picking up on. But it makes
it easier for you to be harder on people when
there's that distance there. I think that's why I think,
you know, the personal connection, I think is really vital
to making these connections and coming up with an understanding

(01:54:36):
of what's going on. We talk about the hidden factors
that are out there, hidden unrelated topics, other people, as
you pointed out earlier, just talking to ordinary people about
what it is that you see with different things. I
think that is the genius of the collective free market
out there, that there's so many observers who are looking
at things and thinking about them and it's kind of

(01:54:59):
their collective decis that is kind of guiding things along,
as opposed to having a central planner who's doing that.
What do you think about that You've got to in
your final chapter a new way of thinking. You have
what you call it sensible solution. What does that really involve?

Speaker 6 (01:55:17):
I'm sorry, I hear what you said your last part.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
You have a sensible solution. What do you think a
sensible solution to the kind of stress and chaos and
anxiety that we have, manipulation that we have. What is
a solution to that?

Speaker 6 (01:55:32):
Well? I think the Wikipedia is a good example of that.
They have people from all walks of life, all levels
of education, free to contribute to whatever topic they may
want to do that. It may be health I mentioned
earlier about the effect of global warming on the making
of cheese. It might be somebody who makes cheese that's

(01:55:55):
going to come up with some idea. You know, we
don't know that, we don't know that. That may not
be Where comes some original idea of what to do
about global warming? And you put it on what I'd
like to think, and I hope it will be developed
a kind of Wikipedia where the ordinary person can feel
free to put forth their ideas about it. Now you say, well,

(01:56:16):
we already have that, we have the Internet. No we don't.
The Internet is a commercial situation. It's all done for
making money and grab attention and all that, and there's
no criticism of it. There's no pure review if you will,
rights in the Wikipedia. I mean, you know, people could
write in and say, well, that particular contribution as bonkers,

(01:56:37):
and then give an example why it is that was
a very good idea. And after that you begin to
get things coming together in unpredictable ways that may help
us solve these eight problems.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
Yeah. The problem is it seems like whenever you wind
up having a form or place where things can be,
and that's true of the Internet, it's also true of Wikipedia,
then it becomes you have gatekeepers who are there. And
we saw this in spades throughout the COVID stuff that
if somebody's got a different idea, rather than debate them,
the impetus is to silence them by the people who

(01:57:14):
are in authority. And so that really, I think is
the key thing, and I think as part of that
we see a continuing rise in discussed and deprivation of
free speech. People are not interested in the principle of
free speech. They don't want to have open debate, and

(01:57:35):
I see this regardless of where people coming from on
the political spectrum. There is a declining interest and debate
and thinking. You know, the debate is critical to critical thinking,
and so the people who are in charge, the gatekeepers,
whether it's Wikipedia or the Internet or any other form

(01:57:56):
of information, they are weighing in on that and they
don't want things that they disagree with. And it might
be because they've got an agenda, or it might be
because they've just got a particular prejudice about something. They
want to make sure that the contrary views don't get
out there. That I think is the real key that's there.

(01:58:16):
And again this is part of this animization that we
have of people feeding that tribalism in a way that
we've never seen it before. Using technology.

Speaker 6 (01:58:26):
I would agree with everything you've just said exactly, and
I think we have to try to get beyond that.
But we get back again to this business of people
having their own personal financial point of view and position
and pushing that basically on the fact that they look
upon it as so maybe we're talking about a capitalism problem.

(01:58:49):
We've got capitalism, it's what this country's all about. But
I mean it's certain parts of it. Now we've gone
to the point where people are unable to take another
point of view if it's going to be fine, actually
harmful and hurtful to them.

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
Yeah, I think that. You know, we start looking at
the tech companies. I don't think that their capitalism would exist.
I don't think they have billions of dollars if they
weren't unified with the government. So there's a there's a
symbiosis there that the two of these entities feed off
of each other. And I think that's that in Exus,

(01:59:23):
right there is the is the difficult thing. And so
I think, you know, when I think of capitalism, I
don't like to refer to capitalism anymore because I think
of it as a partnership, a public private partnership, some
kind of a economic fascism where they are working together.
But I like to think of a free competitive market
where the government doesn't have any role except as some

(01:59:45):
kind of a referee between two parties that have a
conflict or something. But yeah, that's a that's the thing
that's really driving this. You know, many people when they
talk about AI, they said, well, you know, here's a
couple of different outcomes. Maybe this stuff really works the
way it's supposed to work and takes every about these
jobs and we wind up with a depression, or maybe
it doesn't work at all, in which case the big

(02:00:05):
AI stock bubble that we've got burst and everybody loses
their job because of that. Well there's a third alternative,
and that is that the government keeps propping it up
with public funds because it feeds their surveillance and manipulation
needs and their ability to surveil and to control us.

(02:00:25):
And I really think that that's where this is all
going to head. I don't really you know, those other
two things may happen, and they may be true, but
I think there is a customer out there for the
AI stuff that is driving all this stuff, that has
been putting out these proposals for the longest time, and
that's governments, governments around the world. I mean, we look
at the Brain project that we had a few years ago,

(02:00:46):
that was during the Aboma administration. But things like the
Brain computer Interface that Elon Musk and many other tech
companies are doing out there. It's neuralink and there's a
lot of them that are doing that. That's being driven
by the government wanting to connect into our minds, hack
into our minds really, and they've been funding that kind

(02:01:06):
of say so, how do we break that.

Speaker 6 (02:01:09):
Yeah, on the Mosk side, it sees doing it for money,
I mean obviously to make money. That's right, so that
there's unholy alliance, if you will, between someone who can't
see anything on the dollar and the other side of
the government can't see anything other than increasing power and
surveillance of the population.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
Yeah, that's right, absolutely true. Well, it's a fascinating book.
It's fascinating take on this and and of course you've
written many books on the brain. The memory one very interesting,
and you do have sections about memory in this book
as well. And people be able to find this on Amazon,
I guess is the best place that they can find it.

(02:01:49):
Looking for the title of this and it is, you know,
it is something that I think we all need to
think about how we're going to operate the the effects
that this technology is having on our brains in the
twenty first century. And that is the title of the
book The twenty first Century Brain by Richard Restak. Thank

(02:02:09):
you very much, doctor Restak. Thank you, appreciate you coming on.

Speaker 6 (02:02:13):
I enjoyed very much.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
Thank you in a very interesting conversation. Thank you. Have
a good day. Folks are gonna take a quick break
and we will be right back, all right, welcome back.

(02:03:27):
And joining us now is Wayne Morrow. He is the
CEO of the John Birch Society, and he's got something
I think is very interesting to talk about, and that
is Fabian socialism. You probably heard this term before, but
maybe you don't understand what it is or the difference
between it and the Marx and Karl Marx's approach, and

(02:03:49):
how much more dangerous it is, you know. For me,
growing up, Fabian was a teen idol, and I saw
Fabian socialism as like, know, what is that? You know?
But actually it's a famous Roman general and the and
I guess Fabian's parents were Italian, and I guess maybe

(02:04:10):
that was the namesake, or they might have been Socialist,
I don't know, but anyway, it is it is important
to understand the distinction because they have very different tactics
that they use to achieve the same tutalitarian goals. So
joining us now is Waynemorrow, CEO of the John Very Society,
thank you for joining us, sir.

Speaker 9 (02:04:29):
Thank you, David, appreciate being here. And yeah, it's Fabian's
much like the Console formulations, very little known about people
in their respective countries. It's sort of that secretive, behind
the scenes group, you know. That's part of the plan,
you know.

Speaker 1 (02:04:45):
And you mentioned you told me just as we were
talking here, just before you came on. How you There's
also a book that the John Verse Society sells called
The Fabian Freeway.

Speaker 8 (02:04:54):
Yes, exactly in that way book. Yeah, yeah, it's a
book we've written past and we republished.

Speaker 9 (02:05:00):
We have our own publishing company called the Western Islands,
and The Fabian Freeway is a book about the genesis
of the Fabians and how impacted our even our US
policies and our foreign policies. It all ties together, but
it's a real good book and it's about six hundred pages,
so it's not a quick read, but it's in depth,
and I think it's for people are serious students about

(02:05:22):
history and what goes on today. Surely I call we're
the top of the puzzle box. You know, now we
understand what goes on.

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
That's right, that's right. We'll tell us at a bit
about us about Fabian socialism. You know, what was it
about that general that they liked and how does that
tell us about their tactics and how is it different
from Marxism.

Speaker 8 (02:05:42):
Well that's a good question.

Speaker 9 (02:05:43):
Well, anyway, the genesis is, as you mentioned, Quintus Fabius Maximus.
He was a woman in general, very slow moving. He
was very you know, quiet, but he was slow and enforceful,
and much like the Fabians took its name because that's
the process they want. You know, their moniker originally was

(02:06:05):
a wolf in sheep's clothing, and they didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:06:07):
Work over too well.

Speaker 8 (02:06:08):
I figured that one out for a while and they said,
now we'll go switch to e turnal.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
The Republicans Democrats could use that imagery as well. Thanks
a donkey and elephant, they could have a wolf for
both of them.

Speaker 9 (02:06:21):
They had to change their monica because it wasn't going
over well. But you know, if you go back to
the genesis of it all, Cecil Rhodes and Lord Milnder
were involved in forming this elite group, and George Bernard
Shaw was certainly one of the members and the web
Sydney webinall, and you know, they were very open about

(02:06:42):
socialism and you know there the dispute they had between
Marks and and in themselves was they wanted to believe
in the more the ethical, slow moving educational route versus violence,
and so that that was their goal. So you know

(02:07:02):
they formed, you know, the London School of Economics, and
out of that school, you know they put in place
various key legislators in government and even in our institutions
around the UK. And they knew that by influencing public policy,
it didn't make any difference who was the elected official

(02:07:24):
because they were setting the policy and theise are that
today as a matter of fact, Yeah, And so George
Bernardshaw was. He was also very large on eugenics. A
matter of fact, I don't have that video clip, but
if you could listen to the audio clip he talks
about once every five years this is is this one.
We'd have to stand it from this board to determine
if we should be living worthy of staying alive or

(02:07:46):
not actually said that, you know, so he's going to
go imagine that just.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
Destroyed my appreciation of my fair lady, right.

Speaker 8 (02:07:55):
Can you imagine?

Speaker 9 (02:07:56):
And you can listen to them, do believe me, can
look them up, you can listen to the video.

Speaker 8 (02:08:01):
It's amazing, you know.

Speaker 9 (02:08:03):
And so every prime minister, every Labor Party member of
the UK is part of is a Fabian. And so
the Fabian's goal is is always has been, as we
call it, socialism, which a slow walk to Marxism. And
what they wanted to do is govern every aspect of

(02:08:23):
your life and forced globalism. So as you see now
today with Ker Starber, who by the way, as a
Fabian as well as the mayor of London, you're watching
it happened, the country being destroyed. And I have podcasts
with folks in London and I tell them this is
all to Q. This is exactly what the plan is,

(02:08:44):
to destroy their heritage, their history, to bring in usher
and world government.

Speaker 1 (02:08:50):
Now, when you say yes, yes, when you say they're Fabians,
is there still an organization that they belong as an
active member like somebody would belong to a joint John
Birsh Society, so that actually society there.

Speaker 8 (02:09:04):
Yeah, yes, yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:09:04):
Tony Blair is a member of the Fabians, you know,
remember he's very active with it.

Speaker 8 (02:09:10):
By the way, now with the World Economic Forum.

Speaker 9 (02:09:13):
Interesting but if you go online you can look up
the Fabian Society. They have organization in Australia. They are
young Fabians, you know, but they exist. I mean they
exist today and when I speak to the British very
few really understand the Fabians.

Speaker 8 (02:09:28):
Liz Trust. I met Liz Trust who passed Prime Minister.

Speaker 9 (02:09:31):
I was at a CEO conference and I gave her
my card and I said, I'll send you a copy
of the Fabian Freeway. Now she's actively doing YouTube phenomenous,
not because they said you never mentioned the Fabians, Liz,
but you know, I think she knew.

Speaker 8 (02:09:46):
Exactly what they were.

Speaker 9 (02:09:47):
But the whole thing was David back in WOODIW Wilson's
days when he actually worked with Colonel mandel House, another globalist,
they formed this thing called the in in the InCAR
was a group of men, we're British and US and
they've disguised how are we going to work together and

(02:10:08):
kind of really conquer the world as far as the
political agenda and then eventually total and so that was
a genesis of the Council and formulations.

Speaker 8 (02:10:18):
So the Council Formulation was just house in New York City.

Speaker 9 (02:10:22):
They and the Fabians work together as we speak today
and setting governance and policy. And they do that regardless
what the elections look like. They're behind the scenes doing
foreign policy. And that's why we always look at each other,
why doesn't everything change, Well, it's because behind the scenes,

(02:10:42):
the same folks have been working the agenda. That's what's
going on. And we have to bring the light to
the UK people as well as the United States that
this group, these groups are hard at work directing our
foreign policy.

Speaker 8 (02:10:56):
But our future it is for world government. It's nothing
to do with freedom.

Speaker 1 (02:11:00):
I agree.

Speaker 9 (02:11:01):
And our job at the Birch Society is through education
to make people aware of who they are so we know.

Speaker 8 (02:11:07):
What to do.

Speaker 9 (02:11:08):
It's not mystical, it's not magical. It's not a beauty
contest when he likes somebody.

Speaker 8 (02:11:13):
But we have to know. The threats are reel and
we see it today.

Speaker 1 (02:11:16):
Yes, it sounds very much like Antonio Gramsey, the father
of the Italian Communist party's strategy where he wanted to
march through the institutions. How is it different than Gramsey's
communism because and I mentioned Antonio Gramsey because Pete Boutigue
is what I call him, because he's very proud of that.

(02:11:37):
But you know, his father has spent his entire career
at Notre Dame. That was really his specialty, Antonio Gramsey,
and he had him go to Harvard where he studied
under sac Van Berkovich, who was also very much a
fan of Italian communism. And he changed his name to
Honor Socco and Vinzetti. So you know that I've focused.

(02:12:02):
I learned something about Antonio Gramsey because of Booty Gay,
but I also called him booty Marks because that's really
where they're trying to take us. But again, it is
a slow march through the institutions. And so what is
the difference is that one of them was Italian and
the other one was predominantly English and American kind of Anglo. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:12:21):
Well, Gramsky was involved as an Italian. He was from
Sardinia and he was grew up in that area of farmy.
Watch the farmer owners take advantage of the farmer workers.
He actually has a book called David called the Gramsky Papers,
prison Papers, and that's about this thing I have behind
me in my library. And it was written on toilet paper, by.

Speaker 8 (02:12:43):
The way, what it was worth.

Speaker 9 (02:12:48):
To his sister, and it became the Gramsky the prison Papers.
And Gramsky was, you know, a threat to you know,
the Nazis in Germany, and that's why it was called
the Frankfurt School. And Hitler tossed them out of the
United States. They end up in Klubb University. And so
the goal then was then to indoctrinate and reduce the

(02:13:11):
morality of young college students and shove down their throat socialism, communism.

Speaker 8 (02:13:16):
So now we have the professors.

Speaker 9 (02:13:19):
From various institutions in the country about remember that than
the sixties, about the hippie moving. All that was all
coming from the Frankfurt School through Columbia University destroyed.

Speaker 8 (02:13:29):
They knew they had. This is what Grahamsky said, David.

Speaker 9 (02:13:33):
We can't destroy the United States or Western societies. We
talked to it. Economically, that's hard. Yeah, we have to
change them morally, because if we could do that, we
can destroy the morality, because that's the glule holds them together.

Speaker 8 (02:13:48):
Then we can destroy them.

Speaker 9 (02:13:50):
And that's what that's the whole story with the Frankfurt School,
which ended up in Club University. If you think about
it where we are back in the forties to where today,
you can see the morality of United States go in
the other direction.

Speaker 8 (02:14:01):
And that's all a coining to plan, and.

Speaker 1 (02:14:03):
That's why they got so heavily involved in Hollywood and
the entertainment business as well.

Speaker 9 (02:14:07):
Absolutely correct, and that's what happened. So they knew that's
exactly one of the key points that makes the United States,
and what's the citization so strong is our moral behavior
and our beliefs. So that's what we see today. But
that's the difference between the two. And so they're Marxist,
but they used that social element. They said Carl Marx

(02:14:28):
wasn't right. He thought economics is the only way. No,
we're going to have to do the moral end of it.
So that's they morphed it into another strategy. But it's
all the same. Man goal is toll slavery, and you.

Speaker 1 (02:14:38):
Can see that very much in what Stock van Berkovich
focused on there at Harvard. Everything for him was a
product of Puritanism. And so we've got to overthrow this whole,
the Puritan roots of America, and we've got to attack
it at its foundation. But he was really what he
was trying to do was to attack the moral foundation

(02:15:00):
of the country. That's why he focused on that so much.
But everything he talked about was in terms of that.
You know, well, this is because of the you know,
the Mayflower, and he's got to get rid of of that.
But it is kind of interesting, and of course we
see other approaches as well. You had people like Bill Ayers. Okay, uh,

(02:15:23):
they decided that they would They said, well, we've had
class struggles over you know, for Marxism in Europe. That's
not going to work here. It's not working here that well,
so let's go to a race struggle. So there's yet
another approach that the communists have taken. They've got so
many different prongs to get all of them take us
to the same hell, don't they.

Speaker 8 (02:15:45):
Roads, Yeah, we do the dirty work for them.

Speaker 9 (02:15:48):
We have you know, class struggles, men against women, that's
another big one right now, children against their parents, black.

Speaker 8 (02:15:57):
Versus white or tan.

Speaker 9 (02:15:58):
It's all about it's all about conflict and war. That's
the that's the that's their goal because they need that
to enforce more rules and regulations in the government and
less freedom. You guys can't play nice, okay, Well we're
going to incite that. And you know that Marxists knew
that one of the goals, and it's well written over
a period of time, lots of documentation on how that works.

Speaker 8 (02:16:22):
But that's the goal.

Speaker 9 (02:16:23):
So they're playing to our frailties of humans, you know,
rich versus poor, Black versus white Tan versus white Chinese, whatever,
doesn't make a difference because their endgame is world government
and they know that they can't have a lot of us,
so we have to we have to exterminate some.

Speaker 8 (02:16:43):
So I'll let those guys exterminate themselves.

Speaker 9 (02:16:46):
And that's what we see, you know, And we're seeing
that now in the UK as we start a conversation
about the Fabians. As I talked to the folks in
the UK, we're watching their country and I used to
live there and work there in Oxfordshire, so I know
the country rather well. And I'm watching those folks being
destroyed by the invaders on purpose. But they're doing their

(02:17:08):
dirty work destroying all their history and terror and terror
into those folks in Ireland as well as the UK
and they're concerned. But I'm seeing a resurgence of the
British citizen rising up.

Speaker 8 (02:17:24):
It was about a month ago.

Speaker 9 (02:17:25):
You recall in London they had people marching with the
British flag. It wasn't two hundred thousand, David, we had
people that were there in the city.

Speaker 8 (02:17:36):
Was more like three million people were there.

Speaker 9 (02:17:38):
And you'll see farmer trucks now marching into London with
their tractors.

Speaker 8 (02:17:43):
And they don't want to be slaves.

Speaker 9 (02:17:45):
And I've talked to enough Europeans they don't want to
be a part of the European ac any long they're
losing their sovereignty.

Speaker 8 (02:17:52):
They love their history, David, and they really.

Speaker 9 (02:17:54):
Respect and when I travel throughout Europe when I lived there,
they really their history and they.

Speaker 8 (02:18:01):
Love their heritage.

Speaker 9 (02:18:02):
It's being destroyed systematically and it does not work.

Speaker 8 (02:18:06):
One one thing I wanted to.

Speaker 9 (02:18:08):
Tell you, which is interesting, I found out talking to
several of the folks within, you know, past legislators. They
tell me they get their news about the United States
in two ways. CNN and the New York Times. Was
that how you do Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get to

(02:18:29):
see CNN. I go, what does that doing in there.
You know, I'm in a you know, I'm in Hungary
or I'm in Italy. I'm watching CNN. But that's how
they look at the United States. I said, well, that's
totally upside down, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:18:42):
Yeah. Well I had a friend who worked in the
Pentagon and about twenty thirty years ago, and when I
talked to him, he said, yeah, CNN is playing on
the screen all over the Pentagon, all the different rooms
and everything.

Speaker 8 (02:18:53):
Oh yeah, that's a communism's network.

Speaker 1 (02:18:56):
That's right. It's uh, it's very important that who you
listen to. And you know, I've always tried to listen
to various sources, and I would go to the I
always preferred people who would tell me what they think
and why they think it, rather than the people who
try to be this mushy middle like Time and Newsweek,

(02:19:17):
you know. So I was always looking at the Nation
or National Review or something like that. Even though I
don't support their views, I'd like to see that conflict
that was there because a lot of times that would
help me to understand where I stood on the issue.
So I try to get these people that are opposed
to each other, but most people just go for something
like Time or Newsweek or CNN, and it's kind of

(02:19:39):
the mushy middle that's out there by the mockingbird programs
that are out there for people. But that's why it's
very important for people to educate themselves. And that's a
very important thing that you do at the John Vers Society.
Tell us little bit about the John Bird Society and
how it's in Islookal.

Speaker 8 (02:19:54):
When we started nineteen Yeah, we started nineteen fifty eight.

Speaker 9 (02:19:58):
At our goals, education, no education is really critical for us,
educating people about American values.

Speaker 8 (02:20:04):
Our job is limited government. So people call us far right,
that's not true.

Speaker 9 (02:20:09):
We're actually constitutional matters some form of government are not total.
All the left is all the isms, clean fascism right.
And our job is to teach American Americanism. It is
not taught anymore. So we have free courses online the
JBS dot org about teaching about the Constitution. And we said,
how do you elect constitutional man of representative, state, local,

(02:20:30):
or federal if you don't know the playbook?

Speaker 8 (02:20:33):
So how do you hold accountable?

Speaker 9 (02:20:35):
And it's not taught on purpose, so now it becomes
a personality contest. We don't want that, so we teach
people Americanism, and we give them the history, and we
show them who's behind the curtain, like we mentioned the
Fabians and the CFR, and who's foreign policy. And once
people know what goes on, that's what we call it
a conspiracy. It's not theory any longer, but the conspiracy

(02:20:56):
says this. The first goal is to deny its existence.
Of course, so we said, look, let's expose him.

Speaker 8 (02:21:02):
It's not us.

Speaker 9 (02:21:02):
That's why I have a thousand books behind me is
that over the course of time, it proves that they
does exist and they actually come out and talk about it.
It's interesting as we as we look through time and
look through history. I always go back to my UK
experience where Autus Huxley was a Fabian.

Speaker 8 (02:21:22):
I'll go back to that for a second answer your question.

Speaker 9 (02:21:25):
And what happened is he was writing, this guy was
a young author, write and all the information about what
he heard. He was so excited about it that he
decided to write a book. And he said, I can't
use my pen name. My name is Eric Blair. I
can't use that. I have to use a pen name.
So I think my name is George and or what
Joe George orwell is really the Eric Blair, and he

(02:21:47):
wrote nineteen eighty four about the Fabians. And the question
becomes is why is it in nineteen eighty four. Well,
January fourth of eighteen eighty four is the foundation of
the Fabians. And they said, with the one hundred years
we have world government. That's why that book's titled nineteen
eighty four.

Speaker 1 (02:22:02):
Oh so that's I'd heard people say because he wrote
it in nineteen forty eight.

Speaker 9 (02:22:08):
But yeah, yeah, I don't be because he was indoctrinated
by H. G. Wells and Alex Huxley about he writes
about Big Brother.

Speaker 8 (02:22:18):
New Speaker, that's all about the Fabians.

Speaker 9 (02:22:21):
And now that said Vogue, I'm saying, hey, look that
wasn't done as a science fiction. That was really his
telling you. And he couldn't, you know, hold himself. He said,
I have to really talk about this. That's why it's
and I believe, I personally believe that's why it's nineteen
eighty four.

Speaker 8 (02:22:37):
It's one hundred years of existence.

Speaker 9 (02:22:39):
And of course I mentioned the Console on Formulations is
a child of the Fabians.

Speaker 8 (02:22:44):
And now we have.

Speaker 9 (02:22:45):
An American version that we have, you know, the European
version work in Unison. So our job is in Burtus
society is educate people what's going on to be personally responsible,
to elect constitutional moderates and constitutional minded representatives state, local,
and federal so we can monitor not only our behavior,
but go back to constitutional based law and not rule

(02:23:09):
by elitists.

Speaker 8 (02:23:10):
And that's what we see today.

Speaker 1 (02:23:13):
Yeah, and so you know, and it's important for people
to understand how many different ways they come at us
in order to set up a detlitarian government. They have
so many different tactics and strategies. And of course one
of those I think that you're talking about all the
Suxley and others like that, HG. Wells and Huxley, the
technocracy that was there. I mean, talk a little bit

(02:23:33):
about technocracy as well. That's really kind of coming to us.
People don't really know where to fit that, you know,
because it doesn't really fit into the left right paradigm,
and yet it seems to be on the ascendancy as well.
Talk about a little bit about that.

Speaker 9 (02:23:45):
Well, well you know the story about technology, you know.

Speaker 8 (02:23:49):
But ex have a fell used to be a member
of the birth side.

Speaker 9 (02:23:52):
Whereas the CIA said, smile a lot because your picture
gets taken about three hundred times a day.

Speaker 1 (02:23:58):
That's right.

Speaker 9 (02:23:59):
Well, yeah, you go bank, grocery store, going to good gas.
But technocracy is a tool for monitoring and governance, and
that's why you see IAI data data centers and know
every little thing that you've done. And they openly said
this in the Bank of International Settlements they want to.

Speaker 8 (02:24:19):
Have this digital currency.

Speaker 9 (02:24:20):
Well, they can monitor any of your expenditures from one
hundred dollars on up, so they can determine by checking China,
if you have a bad social score, then you're not
going to buy anything. So if you think about technology
is going to be their weapon or tool to keep
you in line, that's why I see it happening, and
they're doing it through a lot of different angles. It

(02:24:41):
looks kind of cool, but that's really the goal.

Speaker 1 (02:24:44):
One of the things I began the program with today
was talking about the fact that you know, I mentioned
all the time about how artificial intelligence is really going
to be a superpower for any kind of government tyranny
to be able to monitor you and everything you're doing
is you're just talking about, but also to manipulate opinion
as well. And that's why is very concerning to me

(02:25:05):
to see that this latest executive order from Trump that
essentially presumes to prohibit any state laws that would curb
things that are happening with AI companies, because I think
what that would really happen would be with the data centers.
I think that's where the big conflict is going to come.
And you know, that is the bottleneck for them, and

(02:25:27):
that would be one of the ways that you could
limit them to buy a little bit of time to
try to get some control of the situation or structure
to keep some of these things at bay. But again,
to prohibit that at the federal level, and that is
in direct conflict with a tenth Amendment. And of course
the Democrats will tell you that now because they're not
empower but as soon as they get embowered, they don't

(02:25:50):
care about a tenth Amendment either. But it is really
a real concern about this concentration of power and the
you know, the destructure of the tenth Amendment, and of
course the enforcement mechanism that is going to run through
is going to be to use financial carrots and sticks
for people coming out of the federal government. That's the

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way they always get around the tenth Amendment.

Speaker 9 (02:26:13):
Isn't it absolutely correct, Yes, the technocracy, that's exactly what
we call technocracy, the techno bureaucrats, that's what they use
that technology as I call it digital prison. That's basically
where you're looking at, yes, and that's kind of where
we're at, and that's what they're setting up.

Speaker 8 (02:26:30):
Digital prison.

Speaker 9 (02:26:30):
So you can't go any wars and do anything within
your fifteen minute city whatever you want to be to
monitor where you are and so a freedom.

Speaker 1 (02:26:39):
They're constantly coming up with different justifications to take us
to the same kind of orwelly in hell that they
want to set up. And that's why you know, when
you look at the Chinese kindness manytimes, I'd look at
them and say, okay, so are they really communists anymore?
Are they fascists? Because they've kind of emerged economics and
politics to a great extent there, and it's highly nationalistic

(02:26:59):
and all the rest of these things. So it's important
to understand all these different strains, but then to not
get boxed in by any of them. To understand these
people mix and match. They'll take whatever they can use
me these different strategies, and you know, when you look
at them, if you were to construct they've been diagram.
It seems like they're all starting to reach convergence instead
of one little point of overlap, doesn't it.

Speaker 9 (02:27:20):
Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, communism is just a tool,
that's all. It's a tool for global governance. It's not
to be all end all, just like any other religious
things that we see. God's got nothing to do with
at all. Matter of fact, the men who are globalists
are not communists. They're not that's a tool. They're not fascists,
but they use that mentality. But it's all the tool

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for world government. It's all going to come through the
United Nations, and you see the UN that's the center
point of it all. And we have a magazine called
the New American and matter of fact, we're actually launching
it in there called a New European.

Speaker 8 (02:27:56):
And I can show you this, Oh good, yeah, Matt.

Speaker 9 (02:27:59):
Here these are little bubble diagrams. If you can see
this all these are all the UN offices in the world.

Speaker 8 (02:28:06):
They're not just one location. And you know these rivers
and brush.

Speaker 9 (02:28:10):
Yeah, and what are these people doing all these locations? Well,
you're on the menu, that's what's going on. So you
can imagine all those you know, it's all over the
United States.

Speaker 8 (02:28:19):
So I'd be happy to send this to you.

Speaker 9 (02:28:20):
A New American magazine we have this one called the
Global paragrab We did this one and it talked and
I show this.

Speaker 8 (02:28:28):
Around the Australians and the New Zealands, and the UK.

Speaker 9 (02:28:31):
Folks and the Lady and France. They were totally amazed
the depth of the United Nations, all these offices all
over the world. Yes, and they're busy carving up the
world for global governance. So that's that's our part of
our job at the Birch Site, expose what's happening through
education and make it a worries. It's not too late,

(02:28:52):
because it's more of us than them, and they know
that our job. Their job is to keep us off
message and looking at sports figures or Hollywood or this
or that the same time they're destroying our foundational principles
of freedom.

Speaker 1 (02:29:06):
Oh absolutely, yeah. I've had Alex Newman on many times.
I've talked to Alex and a great guy there at
the New American, and I've had other people as well
from The American. It's great publication. And as you point
out with that map and you see all the different
areas where they have areas of responsibility and actual physical
locations and everything. I think that's the key thing for

(02:29:26):
people to understand is that it's not necessarily going to
be as you point out in Brussels when you say, well,
there's the seat of government or whatever, or the East
River or New York. It really is not so much
about that. It's about global governance. It's about this network
of different organizations that are out there. And that's one
of the things that I see about technocracy is really

(02:29:48):
that not just you know, the electronic network networking that's
out there, but actually the political networking that is there,
and the interlocking of these different financial interests that are
out there, so they can all have their own goals
and things, but it is all pushing us towards this
global governance, and the technology is really giving them power

(02:30:09):
that they've never had before. That's the key thing that's
really concerning me.

Speaker 9 (02:30:13):
So we saw that when COVID nineteen was a good
status said beta test for them, how you had the
whole world under control.

Speaker 8 (02:30:20):
I'm sure they were absolutely laughing in a maze how
easy it was.

Speaker 1 (02:30:24):
I know that happened. I know I was absolutely astounded
how easy it was. For them as well. And again
I think you know, you look at the stimulus checks
and all the rest of this stuff. That was training
wheels for universal basic income, which was something that Elon
Musk has always been focused on. When you had Andrew
Yang come out said he was going to run for
president and that was going to be his issue, the

(02:30:46):
main issue. He branched out and some other things later on.
But as Saony as he came out and said universal
basic income, Elon Musk canted him a million dollars. You know,
he wanted him to push that idea. Well, it got
pushed really big in twenty twenty.

Speaker 9 (02:31:00):
That's all part of the that's all part of the
program universal income to the un of course, it is
the whole job that they want you to be industrious.
They want you to be collective not individualists, and we
fight collectivism. We believe in individualism, not collectivism. That's all
part of the rule. You know, there's a called the
herd mentality, and that's exactly what they need to control us.

(02:31:22):
It's all that's the end game is that world government,
and they will determine. As I mentioned early on, we
started in the show George Manarshaw before the Eugenics Committee,
who lives and who.

Speaker 8 (02:31:32):
Dies, and you may not have that choice.

Speaker 9 (02:31:35):
If you're a strong crowd Christian or belief you may
not fit into because they're amorl they don't have any beliefs.
The state is their belief. You may not fit into
their program. If you can't be indoctrinated correctly.

Speaker 6 (02:31:46):
You may be exterminated.

Speaker 8 (02:31:48):
And that's the way they're written about that.

Speaker 9 (02:31:49):
So it's these guys play for keeps and it's serious,
and our job has been to expose their plan.

Speaker 8 (02:31:56):
Since the late fifties, really what they want to do it.

Speaker 9 (02:31:59):
They're very open about it, not more so than ever
because they feel like young adults have been so indoctrinated
through the universities of school that socialism is good. Like
we saw the last mayor race in New York City.
Can you imagine, Yeah, yeah, nothing's free.

Speaker 1 (02:32:16):
The schools have indoctrinated that. But then we also have
the situation where you know, the gen Z people are
finding it very kids are finding it very difficult to
find a job even if they go to college or
finding it difficult to find a job. And that is
something I think that really drives this because again one
of the things that socialism has always pushed out there,
I think is envy. You know, they find these different

(02:32:39):
at its core. I think like Salleinsky, you know, dedicated
his book Rules for Radicals to satan, and I think
at the core of it, there's all these different satanic
appeals to the evil aspects of our nature, you know,
whether it's about greed, whether it's about envy, whether it's
about hatred, racism, tribalism, all these different things, and they

(02:33:01):
identify these things and seek to exploit them with these
different approaches that they take, you know. And so that's
what I think is you have to be aware of
the tactics and the strategies that are there for ever
going to be able to defeat them. Otherwise we're just
putting in their hands, aren't we.

Speaker 9 (02:33:17):
That's exactly and you're exactly correct. That's exactly what they do.
They pit one group against another one philosophy because it's
all about conflict.

Speaker 8 (02:33:26):
It's all about the conflict that's critically important.

Speaker 9 (02:33:28):
But we have to identify what it is and expose
what it is that's really important, so we know the game.

Speaker 8 (02:33:34):
It's a sure, it's you remember they remember.

Speaker 9 (02:33:36):
The movie where we had with Julie Garland Follyellovick Road,
you know, and all of a sudden, who's the man
behind the curtain, don't pay attention to him? Well, we
expose who's behind the curtain, you know, And that's really
what it's all about. It's really a plan. It's not
done by accident. And we see a lot of kubuki theater, yes,

(02:33:56):
but the thing is is that we identify really what
it is. And to tell you what, it's very difficult
for people to believe it because some of their heroes
of the past.

Speaker 1 (02:34:06):
Who are not good people, right, or the heroes of
the present, or the.

Speaker 9 (02:34:11):
President I mentioned by George Bernardshaw, the guy was you know,
think about that one. Well, I mean I can go on,
but there's a lot of them, and they were not
who they thought they were.

Speaker 1 (02:34:20):
I mean, yeah, he wrote Pygmalion, which was then turned
into My Fair Lady, you know, the musical on the play,
and you know, I enjoy the music with that, but
uh yeah, the guy who was there. And even when
you look at all these different science fiction novels, they've
basically become a blueprint for them. But when we're talking
about how that you like to set up conflict between
different groups. That's why I think we really need to

(02:34:41):
have our guard up about partisan politics, because that is
another way they do it. They don't just do it
by race or by sex or this or that. They
do it also with political factions. And you know, when
people buy into these things and start to excuse the
actions of their leaders, what they really need to do
is to look at the longer historical view and say,

(02:35:03):
where were the Fabian socialists trying to take us? You know,
where were the Gramcy socialist trying to take us? Where
were the Marxist trying to take us? And if the
actions of the person that's the hero of your party
is going to move us in the direction of these
socialists and Marxists, then you need to pull back and

(02:35:23):
say we're not going to follow that, even though that's
part of our tribe here or whatever. I think that's
very impor exactly.

Speaker 9 (02:35:29):
You know, elections change governments, but institutions change nations. That's
really important. They actually Fabius even said that. They also
said power shifts from representation to management, and that's where
we are no matter you know, it's left or right.
You know, on the politics scene, the policy being stepped
forward doesn't make a difference who runs back and forth.

(02:35:50):
It's all kabuki theater for us because they're not setting
the policy someone else's and we identify who they are.

Speaker 8 (02:35:57):
That's really critically important. All a big game in front
of us.

Speaker 9 (02:36:01):
But we have to identify really who they are, what's happening,
And that's all part of what we do. Educate people
and make them aware there's more of us than them.
But our job is to wake people up and sometimes
they don't want to they want to hear about it,
you know. Our job is to wake people up and
telling really what's going on. Much like the story gave
to the UK folks about the Fabians, I said, look,

(02:36:22):
they're destroying your country on plan.

Speaker 8 (02:36:25):
It's not by accident.

Speaker 1 (02:36:27):
But that's why you know, I question you, so, do
they still have a Fabian society that people belong to
because typically these things are done in secret, you know,
or quietly, so you have secret societies, you know, things
like the Masons or whatever, but you know people will
be members of this. But I don't think do we
have a Fabian society that you have politicians that are
part of here in the US, or is it mainly

(02:36:48):
the CFR that you'll see.

Speaker 8 (02:36:50):
Mostly the CFR.

Speaker 9 (02:36:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what's it's a it's more what
it's a partner of with the Fabians. So back to
Cecil Roads and Lord Mill and you know Wiljow Wilson
took Manda House. They had the thing called the Inquiry
back in nineteen hundreds or so, and they formed this
group and they went to the United States and Council
for Relations born in nineteen twenty one, and they're going

(02:37:12):
to set foreign policy up March through through David Rockefeller.
And today you have members of the cabinet forty fifty
percent of the people and presidential cabinets were part of
the CFR, had Clinton and Eisenhower. All those guys were
all involved in the CFR. They knew exactly what was
going on. So they were carrying the water for the
CFR Policy Group, and that's exactly what goes on. So

(02:37:34):
it was all it looked good, you know, but reality
is one of the stories goes this way. You know,
every every year, every year several years, we have an election.
It's like when you're in high school, you know, the
president of the student council.

Speaker 8 (02:37:48):
Remember those back in high school.

Speaker 1 (02:37:51):
Contest.

Speaker 9 (02:37:52):
Yeah yeah, and by the way, I'm going to have
longer lunch hours, We're going to have less homework, right,
And all of a sudden they get elected and they
who's running the show, the super of the principal high
school never happened, and that's it. Story With the CFR,
we have a beauty contest, which is a public you know,
either presidential election or congressional and then who's running the

(02:38:12):
show behind the scenes. It's really it's really those groups,
those unelected bureaucratic officials are unelected, and we expose what
they are. We have that book called The Shadows of Power.
Another book that we published years ago called The Shadows
of Power exposes the Council on Formulations, War one or two,

(02:38:34):
Korean Vietnam, how they all morphed into all part of
the plan. That's called the Shadows of Power. So now
we so the Fabians is Freeways about the Fabians. The
Shadows of Power is about the Council on Formulations. And
once people look at history, they get pretty angry because
they know it's all been a theater for not for us,
but for them, and they play the game to make

(02:38:57):
it look like you're running.

Speaker 8 (02:38:58):
The show, but you're not. You're just a victim of
the globalst plan.

Speaker 1 (02:39:02):
I agree. And when I think of the John Versus Society,
you guys have done a great job of educating people
about the Council formulations, the CFR stuff, and yet we
still have these people run for office and you'll see
them proudly list that as part of their CV. You
know that, Yeah, a member of the councilor form relations
and its it's like, you know, I'm part of the

(02:39:25):
Satanic group over here. That it's you know, they see
it as a you know, because it really does have
a lot of uh panash or whatever or clout in
Washington to be a member of that club, and they're
proud of it, and so we need to call them
out on it, and we need to understand the history
of it. We need to understand really just how evil

(02:39:48):
the actions have been and how that has really been there.
So I guess in the UK they still have people
who are part of the Fabian Society, but here you'll
see it in the CFR and they'll be doing the
same type of thing.

Speaker 8 (02:39:59):
Yeah. Bill Clinton, he was a member of Madam Albury
was a member.

Speaker 9 (02:40:02):
Robert Rubin was a member of the Cohen Larry Summers,
George W. Bush was going on leave, Rice, Colin Power,
Robert Gates, Henry Paulson, Barock Obama was president, describing candidate
Timmy Gaither, Susan Rice, you know, John Bolton, Herrick Master,
and Mike Bompeo, I Dogan, you know, I see what's
going on here. So they're in strategic locations to monitor

(02:40:24):
and steer public policy.

Speaker 8 (02:40:26):
That's what it's going on.

Speaker 9 (02:40:28):
So when you see this, we hear the song guards
of his Democrat Republican and you get to the same
place all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:40:34):
Right, that's right, that's the key. And I remember when
Reagan got elected, people were excited. He's not the CFR,
you know, and I can't remember the last time we
had a president that wasn't CFR. And yet what he
did with it. But CFR people in all the different
positions around him, you know.

Speaker 9 (02:40:49):
Yes, exactly. Well Trump is not a member of the CFR.
I can tell you that. So he's not a member,
but he's got people around to make sure this get
too far off of the script, although he does.

Speaker 1 (02:40:58):
That's right, that's right. Yeah, I think what Trump is
really as much as anything. It is the technocracy because
these guys are writing the checks there. I'm very concerned that,
you know, we all know now what CBDC is, and
yet I think the same thing can be accomplished with
a stable coin, and they can make a lot of

(02:41:19):
money putting the stable coin out there at the same time.
So it's one way they can get rich. They can
get rich off of that, or they can't get rich
off of the CBDC. And since everybody's kind of wise
to the game of the CBDC, they don't realize that
stable coin is still going to have those capabilities to
be able to turn off your ability to trade and
do other things like that. Tell us little bit about

(02:41:40):
the John Vers society. I mean, I know you guys
have had a lot of fights and that. Have you
been hit with any kind of dbanking or stuff like that,
because I mean I have, and I've been kicked off
of PayPal and Vemo and other formats like that because
of things that I was saying in twenty twenty about
the lockdown and the pandemic in the vaccine change and
all the rest of this stuff. Are you seeing that

(02:42:03):
kind of debanking and deplatforming in various places.

Speaker 8 (02:42:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:42:07):
Well, sometimes we say that we get to to uh
too much of truth. YouTube will take us down for
a while or something like that, and then we'll come
back on again. You know, we don't have that issue
with banking, say, but they ignore us because they don't
need an attention. We'll get attacked, you know, we start
to grow, so they try to tell we don't exist

(02:42:27):
any longer.

Speaker 1 (02:42:28):
That's when I first learned at the John Birsch Society
was when William F. Buckley was on a tear come after. Well,
I agree with these guys and not with Buckley.

Speaker 8 (02:42:38):
So he's a CFO. Remember, by the way, don't think
about it.

Speaker 1 (02:42:43):
Yeah, probably as well so sull.

Speaker 8 (02:42:46):
And Bones, you know from Yale. You know, I go on.

Speaker 9 (02:42:49):
He was a good guy, right, yeah, you know this
organization exists today. I don't look at them. Don't listen
to those guys over there.

Speaker 8 (02:42:54):
Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (02:42:57):
That's why he was. He was a good guy. That's
why MPR had him on the right.

Speaker 9 (02:43:00):
Yeah, right, people go we wrote a book about that
called The Pipe Piper of the Establishment. We wrote that book.
Jack wi Mass, our past president, you may have known him.
He wrote the book about Buckley, and he was, you know,
he was all put together to make sure that he
steers the conservative movement, their direction of the CFR, in.

Speaker 8 (02:43:19):
Which he was a member of the CFR.

Speaker 9 (02:43:21):
So you know, it's like, you know, as they said,
it's not a matter, it's all controlled, you know, it's
and he was control opposition.

Speaker 1 (02:43:28):
He's a very poster child for that, isn't he controlled?

Speaker 8 (02:43:30):
Absolutely correct? And people still hold him up as he
was some you know, super conservative he was.

Speaker 1 (02:43:35):
Yeah, I remember, you know, Rustling Ball really idolized him.
It was like, you don't realize that this guy is that.
That's kind of telling that anyway. It's a it really
is a great organization and I really do appreciate what
you guys do. And again the uh, the Quiet Ideology

(02:43:55):
reshaping policy from London Parlors to d C Power. Is
that a book or is that an article? Because that's
how I found out about about it.

Speaker 8 (02:44:06):
That sounds like it sounds like the Fabian Freeway. That's
what it sounds like.

Speaker 9 (02:44:09):
Okay, over, Yeah, the JBS has been around for a
long time.

Speaker 8 (02:44:14):
We have area chapters.

Speaker 9 (02:44:16):
We educate people on the voting record of their representatives,
and so we try to encourage people to be active
participants in the process. How do you change your representative,
David is if you don't understand the constitution or at
least go visit them, say why did you vote on constitutionally?
So we have this thing called the scorecard we printed
out every quarter and it talks about the voting record constitutionally.

(02:44:39):
We picked them on Congress, you know, Senate as well
as the House on where they are so people know
if they're voting constitution or not. And it's our personal
responsibility as Americans to uphold re member the regi representatives
work for us and say hey, why are you voting
this way? And would they have not I mean representative
call me. I said, no, one ever, very rarely calls

(02:45:02):
me on the phone and talks about anything. And so
we can't it's not you know, we can't sit back.
And I said, and one day we have a handsome
young conservative show up in Congress. It doesn't happen that way. Yeah, So, well,
my biggest goal is to fight complacency in Americans and
its life is too good and even though the economics

(02:45:25):
today is hurting them now they're listening, but life is
too good and they have to, you know, we have
to get behind and spend a little time protecting our
sovereignty and our freedoms, but we have to know who
we are first, and that's what we try to teach
American as principles and hold up representatives who work for
us to make sure that happens.

Speaker 1 (02:45:45):
I agree, yeah, and that's what I liked about the
John Verse Society was the focus on local activism as well,
and you know, knowing what is happening locally in your
state as well. And I've seen what you're talking about
in terms of representatives who say nobody recalls me. I
saw the power of that, and I've talked about this
on the program. When I lived in North Carolina, I

(02:46:05):
was involved with homeschooling and at that point in time,
all of North Carolina's government was Democrat Democrat House and
Senate as well as the governor and all the rest
of stuff. So they decided, the teachers unions decided that
they were going to shut down homeschooling, and it looked
like they were going to be able to do it
because it was all Democrats and an active minority of homeschoolers,

(02:46:30):
which was really small at the time. There wasn't a
lot of people homeschooling. There's so many more who were
doing it today, but everybody got actively involved and started
writing and it made them look so much bigger than
they actually were, and it actually beat down the teachers
unions in a Democrat state, they were going to try
to regulate homeschooling out of existence. And so that was

(02:46:53):
a very important first hand lesson to learn. But it's
difficult to get people to do that. And that's one
of the things that John Bird Society does, I think
it's excellent, which is to educate each other about what
is happening locally within your state and how you can
take action at a local level. I remember my probably
my earliest memory of John Birsh Society was to support

(02:47:14):
your local Sheriff stuff being concerned about the federalization of
the police, and that is something that is now really escalating,
isn't it.

Speaker 8 (02:47:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:47:24):
Yeah, we actually have we have that group, it still
exists called support your Local Police. We want to keep
them independent of federalized. We have a group, we have
an affiliate, not for profit called support your Local Police.
And we also have you mentioned school. With the homeschool
we've been in existing for fifteen years called the Freedom
Project Academy. It goes from kindergarten high school. We have

(02:47:46):
live you know, education of course online or you can
buy recorded version of it. And that's been around. So
we're educating all over the world. Adults are having their
Chillen sign up to Glen. Really Americanism and who we
are not fabricated history, and we're teach you how the

(02:48:08):
kids how to write cursive and do math or read books.

Speaker 8 (02:48:11):
How about that for a change. And so we yeah,
it hasn't happened in above us school, I can tell
you that.

Speaker 9 (02:48:16):
And we spend more time in education than social emotional learning.
But the thing is, and it goes you mentioned, Alison,
want to wrot a lot of books about that. But
the thing is is that so we look at education
where our children, our adults bring in to view really
who we are, what we're all about, because we've been indoctrinated.
And we know that brainwashing has existed through all the

(02:48:37):
mass media, David, all the mass medias you know very
well because you're in the media business, that's all controlled
by the console for our relations.

Speaker 8 (02:48:44):
Every one of those.

Speaker 9 (02:48:45):
York Times other networks, including Fox, is all controlled media,
and they all say the same thing, same to the help.
So guess what, that's the only thing you hear, that's
the only thing you believe. So we said, no time out,
let's talk about reality here. And it's hard for some
people to swallow. But once you've been red pilled, all
of a sudden, the world changes, like now we see

(02:49:07):
what's going on here. So that's our job. On the
Birch's side. We did with kids with school. You're right
about the law enforce and we want to keep them independent.
We teach the constitution, We get people involved. It's about education,
and get people activated and involved.

Speaker 8 (02:49:21):
That's really important.

Speaker 1 (02:49:22):
I absolutely agree, get activated.

Speaker 9 (02:49:24):
And involved, and that's how we save our country as
well as the people over in England. They see the
problem now because they're watching their country be destroyed. And
I mentioned the Fabians we first came on because that's
coming to attractions for the United States, what you see
in Europe as coming to attractions for here.

Speaker 1 (02:49:41):
Oh yeah, just a little bit. Yeah, it's a warning,
that's right. Yeah. And so you know, getting back to
the federalization of the police. You know, we lick at
these things and we say okay, even if you like
the guy who's doing it. And even if you agree
with the stated goal, you have to look at this
and say, you have it. That policy is going to
establish a precedent of the federalization of law enforcement, and

(02:50:05):
so I know where that leads, right, So we pull
this back. Okay, So let's let's walk this back, and
we have to oppose this even if we agree with
the stated purpose. That's the wrong way to do it.
And it is so important that we not sacrifice the
that the the uh. You know that the means does

(02:50:26):
not it's not just that the end is not just
by the means. That's how these people always get us there.
And it's understanding those principles and what America is about,
Understanding the Constitution and what that's about, and why those
things are there, those important safeguards against tyranny, and understand
that if we wipe those things away, because it's going
to make it more expedient for us to achieve this

(02:50:49):
particular policy goal, we are going to pay the price
along of them, aren't we.

Speaker 9 (02:50:54):
A nationalized police force is one of Marx's Karl Marx's plan,
and so that's where we're trying to keep them local
and independent. Your sheriff is a very important person in
your county, very important person. And I always I encourage
people to know who the sheriff is and talk to
them and make sure that you understand and they understand
about America's principles and our rights, and they have You

(02:51:17):
have to know who the sheriff.

Speaker 8 (02:51:19):
Is, so they know who you are.

Speaker 9 (02:51:20):
Much like a legislators and state legislare you know, go
back to our basics of our country, our United States,
where form is independent states, sovereign states. Over a period
of time, David, that we've given the states have given
power from themselves to the federal government. That's not the
way it was supposed to operate. The government is supposed

(02:51:41):
to defend us against public and domestic enemies, you know,
and that's very limited powers. Look at ouricle one sexually
of the Constitution, very limited powers. Congress has right and government.
And so we have actually given more power to the
federal government. Why it's all upside side and destroyed distorted today.
So we spend time with a local legislate in each
state to make sure they uphold the constitutional responsibility. Each

(02:52:05):
state has a constitution. The word democracy does not exist
it's always a republic, that's all. Another thing we teach
people that word does not appear in our constitution or
any state constitution, and people don't even know that. And
I said, you have to understand states are sovereign. Make
sure you make this is where begins. So if you
look at our history, it was done with that phenomenal

(02:52:26):
idea that keep them sovereign, independent states. So those basic
things I just said to you. Most Americans I talked
to do not understand that.

Speaker 1 (02:52:34):
Yeah, they don't understand all that's right, Absolutely do not.
And it's so important that we do. We understand the
foundation of principles and why these things were set up
the way they were. Actually is a good plan, you know,
even though the Constitution hasletly violated, it's still a good
plan and we should try it someday in our lifetime.

Speaker 9 (02:52:53):
I think it's like the Ten Commandments. It's not the
ten Suggestions, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:52:58):
That's right. That's right.

Speaker 8 (02:53:00):
And they all say the Constitution you have to know
it before you get hold it, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:53:04):
And everybody pretty much, whether the local or state or
especially federal, they take an oath to the Constitution as
a requirement of their authority and so when they violate that,
they no longer have a legitimate authority, but they do
have a lot of power, and so we need to
understand that we can have power collectively, and that's one
of the things I think the John Birch Society does

(02:53:24):
bring to the table. Thank you so much for joining us.
It's been a fascinating discussion. Mister Morrow, Wayne Morrow, Thank
you Wayne Morrow, the CEO of John Birch Society. Always
great talking to you guys. We're going to a quick
break folks, and we'll be right back on to talk
a little bit about what's going on with cars here
in just a second, so we'll be right back.

Speaker 14 (02:53:43):
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Speaker 2 (02:56:08):
Welcome back, folks. We got a lot of comments and
Jersey Boy, thank you so much for the support. He says,
can you please ask if he was ever heard of
William Cooper, who wrote Behold a Pale Horse.

Speaker 1 (02:56:17):
I'm sorry. I didn't see that comment at the time.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:56:21):
And does he know about Jimmy from Brooklyn, who JBS interviewed,
who I'm trying to get on your show?

Speaker 1 (02:56:27):
Okay, well, god, I'm sorry I missed that. I'm very sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:56:31):
Yes, apologies. In sixty one, thank you so much for
the support, he just says.

Speaker 1 (02:56:35):
Thank you, well, thank you, Owen appreciate it.

Speaker 13 (02:56:38):
Yes, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:56:39):
And Jersey Boy again says I remember a few years
ago from JBS and email history of and I need
to history of Republicans. It was started by a communist?
Does he know what it was? And what does he
think of JFK?

Speaker 1 (02:56:51):
You know, it's interesting. A book I really enjoyed was
an alternative history book by Harry Turtle. He's written a
lot of alternative history books, and this one was about
the Civil Wars called how Few Remain And in it,
you know, you may know the history that Antietam as

(02:57:12):
Buddy as a battle was nearly was could have been
a victory for the South, except that one of the
couriers dropped the orders that he was carrying and they
fell into the Union's hands. And so in his book,
guys say, hey, you dropped those orders, better pick those up.
Can you imagine why would happened if the other guy's

(02:57:34):
got that right? And so that causes an early end
to the war, and pretty much all the major figures
of both North and South survive, and the causes then
early end of the war and the South to gain
its independence. And in the in his alternative history, Lincoln

(02:57:56):
is entirely discredited because he lost the war. But then
he may say comeback, as this book is picking up
a couple of decades on. At that point in time,
I think he's got Stonewall Jackson as the President of
the Confederacy, and Lincoln makes a political comeback as head
of the Socialist Party. And that's one of the things

(02:58:16):
that made that book so interesting was he really did
understand these people, what motivated them, and the things behind them.
And so, yeah, there was an early connection with that.
And if you look at I always think about the
Pledge of Allegiance that was put in by the Grand
Army of the Republic. Most of the veterans, especially if
they were well known or successful or played an important

(02:58:39):
part in the war, they got very big positions, and
the subsequent governments that were there, and the Grand Army
of the Republic, which was the organization of Civil War
veterans for the North, had a tremendous amount of influence.
They were the ones who instituted the Pledge of Allegiance
and it initially did not have under God in it

(02:59:00):
until the mid nineteen fifties. And so the emphasis was
on one nation indivisible and that you know, very harsh
with that, and it was the pledge was done with
one arms extended out palmed down, just like the Nazi salute.
They changed it to hand over your heart because of

(02:59:21):
the Nazi salute. But yeah, socialism and a lot of
other things that were there, and the as well as
the concentration of power and really talking about the destruction
of the states as sovereign entities and the understanding that
the states had created the federal government. All that stuff
disappeared with Civil War go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:59:43):
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AI will be kosher and DEEI Nivouru twenty twenty nine
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(03:00:03):
ask the guest his take on war Gaza. Trump's anti
semitisms are in the Heritage Foundation's project as.

Speaker 1 (03:00:09):
I apologize, I didn't see that.

Speaker 2 (03:00:11):
Yes, the conversation was too good, Goldsmith says. Curiously, people
often claim Marx was focused soley on economics, but his
entire worldview was cultural, based on envy and hate.

Speaker 1 (03:00:22):
Yeah, conflict, Yeah, like go and dialectic. That's why, you know,
we can we have to look at the different ways
that they divide us. You know, it's very explicit what
Bill Ayers and burning door and whether Weathermen wanted to do,
they wouldn't have a race war. Marx focused the thing
about economics was there, but that was really a class struggle, right,

(03:00:44):
and the economics was a part of that class struggle.
But it's always about dividing us. And that's why he said,
you know, to very careful about the Republican versus Democrat thing,
any kind of division that they can use like that.
And when we attach ourselves to a different ethnic group
or different political group, these different types of things, those

(03:01:08):
attachments draw us away from the principles that can be
the bulwark against this kind of socialist hell that they
want to put us in.

Speaker 2 (03:01:17):
And Mama c. Nineteen ninety six. Has I never learned
so much is when I was homeschooling my kids.

Speaker 1 (03:01:22):
That's right, that's right, that's excellent. And that was the
thing that I really missed about it was that was
where I put all my effort before I had the show.
As a matter of fact, that was at one point
it was kind of bothering me because I was filling
in for Alex at the very beginning. He said, you know,
there's gonna be millions of people listening to you. I said,
don't tell me that I need to do that right now.

(03:01:46):
But because I was not very much into public speaking
or anything like that, and I said, no, the way
I think of this, and that was in his original studio,
which was really small and intimate. I said, the way
I think of this is I'm talking to the guys
over there running the board. I could see them, and
I said, I'm just thinking, like I'm doing homeschooling with
my kids. So I said, don't talk to me about

(03:02:06):
millions of people listening to That'll freeze me up. So
that's the way I always looked at it, and it
was such a wonderful thing because it gave us an
opportunity to go back and look at content that was
compelled on us in the schools and to view it
in a different way. And that's one of the things

(03:02:27):
I've always said about biology and evolution. You know, when
it's taught to us in the schools, it was always
dumbed down into skeletons and death. Right for the evolutionist's
death is the thing the engine of creation. For us,
it is the giver of life. And we didn't look
at comparative anatomy of skeletons. We looked at the unique

(03:02:50):
design of each and every animal, and that was the
thing that was so fascinating. So it really is a
blessing and an opportunity. I hope if you have the
opportunity you take that to homeschool, have a good day.
Thank you.

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