September 19, 2023 • 44 mins
THE DEBATE - Hockey Podcast – Episode 226 – Babcock Photogate
Host- Brad Burud @BradBurud
Co-Host- Blake Friars @FriarsBlake
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Babcock Photo Controversy
AROUND THE NHL: Keefe Signs, Captains, Signings, UFA/RFA/PTO and the Future
3 Questions
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*Produced by Inside Edge Hockey News Media Group
Host- Brad Burud @BradBurud
Co-Host- Blake Friars @FriarsBlake
--- EPISODE 226 ---
Babcock Photo Controversy
AROUND THE NHL: Keefe Signs, Captains, Signings, UFA/RFA/PTO and the Future
3 Questions
Live Questions | Listener Questions: What was the first NHL jersey that you owned?
Website: THE DEBATE Hockey Podcast
Listen: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts
Watch: YouTUBE
Social Media – X - @TheDebate | FACEBOOK – THE DEBATE Hockey Podcast | INSTAGRAM - THE DEBATE Hockey Podcast
Music – Booz N Tuna
NHL #HockeyX #TalkinHockey #HockeyPodcast #Hockey #DebateHockey #CBJ
*Produced by Inside Edge Hockey News Media Group
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(00:26):
Good even. Welcome to the DebateHockey podcast. As we roll into season
seven of the show, and mostof the show, bradbrug join alongside my
cost each and every week like friars, Like seven seasons of talking hockey with
you, seven years of deal withyour horrible takes. Yeah, that's a
long time. That's a long time. You once told me that Calgary was
(00:49):
in the Cup. I guess Ican't say anything because I agreed with you
the slide. You had the devil. I had the Devil's making the playoffs
three years ago, but I wasI was talking about the future. Now
they're good, So we're good.It's all good. You can join Blake
and I every single Monday night duringthe regular end playoff season end playoffs,
(01:10):
nine pm Central Standard Time. Wedo it live and then we release its
out on every form of podcast youcan possibly get the next day. Yeah,
camp's open Wednesday. It's the lastweekend. This last weekend was the
last weekend. We don't get anyhockey because I believe preseason games starts Saturday,
(01:30):
the twenty fourth day, Saturday,so we'll get some preseason hockey.
And then this past weekend, alot of us watch some prospects, which
was kind of fun. Yeah.No, I the Canucks had their They
brought back the Young Stars tournament.Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Vancouver have
a little round robin. Each playedthree games in Penticton. They haven't had
(01:53):
it since before COVID, so that'sa nice tournament to have. And they
streamed most of the games on Twitterand Facebook and stuff like that. So
it's nice. Nice to see youalways it's always exciting when you get to
see some prospects and kind of watchyour your future of your hockey team kind
of kind of play away. Soit's good. It's kind of the future
(02:15):
and it's kind of not because there'sgonna be a couple of guys that make
it. But boy, for themost part, yeah, but I mean
most part, it's not like guysfrom just start with Vancouver, like Keto
Haros had five points this this gameor this tournament and Aiden mcdonoughhy played some
NHL games last year. I mean, I'm pretty sure Coronado was in that
(02:38):
Young Stars was he not like he'sprobably gonna make the team. So I
mean, I mean it's that therewould be a few guys that maybe crack
the team, but not much.No, but I mean it's it's fun
to see what what things look like. And plus it's a time when we're
starving for hockey anyways. So yeah, it's it's fun. It's it's fun
to see. But summer's finally orit has been a real busy summer.
(03:00):
We did a lot of things changesfor the shows. Some graphic changes and
intros and outros change, some musicchanges. Is a band called Booze Tuna
will be doing all the music forus, and they got some good tunes
so we'll have that this year,and all kinds of different things. We
still got three questions. We stillgot a listener questions. Anytime we're live,
(03:20):
you can chime in on the showand ask us questions and we'll get
him answered towards the latter part ofthe show. Yeah, it's been busy.
I got a high school senior thisyear, so that's busy. I
got an eighth grade daughter who madethe varsity golf team. That's got us
super busy. And then my eightyear old daughter walk up to me about
a month ago and said, hey, I want to play hockey this year,
So now I get So I gotall kinds of things. You moved
(03:46):
to York to this summer, yougot a new job at the radio station
and with the Yorkton Terriers. Maybe, hell, we're it's been. It's
been. It's been a gone show. Yeah, man, Like when I
when I tell you my life,I was moving a thousand miles of a
minute, Like I wasn't joking,Like the first month and moving and getting
(04:09):
a new job that I have neverdone before, and everything was new to
me. I mean, play byplay is pretty easy stuff for me,
but the doing live radio casts andprepping and interviewing people, it's it was
all new to me, Like I'vedone it in college. But I mean
that's that's four years ago. Soit took a little bit to get refreshed
(04:30):
up. And yeah, now I'mpretty comfortable right now. Picked it up
pretty quick, and I am asta couple of months through here, and
I'm really enjoying. It's fun.When we started the show seven years ago,
my youngest daughter was a year old. I remember, she was a
real little You were in college.I mean, look at all things have
changed over the seven years, andwe're still talking hockey every Monday night.
(04:53):
It's it's yeah, I mean Iactually was it two weeks ago. I
was just like super bored and Iwent back and let's do our first three
episodes. It's like we are alike either no nothing about hockey or just
like be doing on how to talkat all. Well, we knew a
lot of first the first episode.The first episode, I think it was
(05:15):
like nineteen minutes. We just likelike a thousand miles of so fast.
Yeah, it was all right,Vegas is good and the pad's over.
That's funny. It was like whatis going on? But oh, we're
two hundred and twenty six episodes later. Yeah, we've gone from thirty minute
episodes to an hour and a halfepisode, so it's kind of but we've
(05:40):
been pretty consistent with forty five minutes, so it's good. We made a
vowel, last vowel that's right.I'm trying to say last year to try
to keep it in forty five minutes. And we get a little bit longer
on some of the larger prediction showsor trade deadline things like that, but
you know what, we keep itpretty much four five minutes. What else?
You know what? One thing Iwanted to touch before we get going
two things Actually we talked last yearabout Spencer and Night and how he left
(06:04):
for I. Well, no,I didn't know if I said Vesna I
said he was going to have morewins than Verbroski. No, actually,
I think he said he's gonna winthirty games. I think that's that's what
I said. That's what I said. Yeah, and I still think he
will a little bit came out thisweek about why he entered the Player's Assistance
Program, and when we hear aplayer enters that, we usually automatically think
(06:28):
alcohol, drugs the way we thinkthe worse. Right. He was in
there for for his for treatment ofOCD, h O CDs sucks. I
have it. It's no fun dealwith it every day in my life and
it's no fun. I feel badfor him. It sounds like things are
good, He's got some some differentthings figured out and in controlled and hopefully
(06:51):
be back with the team. Isjust think about like how stressful the position
is as a goalie and adding OCDonto that, it's like it just gets
mad, It just gets magnified timesten. And there's you know, there's
tons of different types of overseasing anddifferent things. You know that people are
obsessive of all his was handwashing.It just sucks. There's it. Mind's
(07:14):
not that mind's keeping things organizing straight, and it drives me crazy. I
know it has drive driven my familycrazy. Over the years, I've learned
ways to cope and manage with it. And I struggle some days and I
don't other days. But yeah,I don't know. I feel bad for
the young man, and I hopehe comes back this year. And yeah,
I mean, I'll be honest,like when I saw that report,
(07:34):
I totally forgot about night. Idon't even mean that in a bad way.
It's just like I haven't heard thisguy's name in a long time,
and I'm just like, oh shit, like they got this. This guy
keep be coming back Like that's agame changer there it is. He's good.
He's really good. One thing beforewe get the show started, I
(07:55):
gotta ask you, do you playthat puck Duko? Yeah, I've I'm
pretty pretty uh non consistent with itlately, but I used to play it
religiously every day when I was workingnights, I mean always, just when
I was on break. I woulddo it like three in the morning.
And that ship, that ship's easy. It's it's super easy. Yeah.
(08:16):
I try to try the baseball one. You want to challenge sh That shit
is hard. I'm not getting thebaseball because I don't I if it was
nineteen eighties baseball, I could getit. But it's any play, it's
any player that played for those teams, you can do it. Yeah.
It's like it's like the hockey one. Like the hockey gets tough though,
like when you got to do TampaBay Montreal, it's like, shit,
(08:37):
a guy contre quick, come on, like, come on, come on
baby, Jonathan Drew on. Okay, Chicago Montreal, I got this one
right away. Chicago Mantreal, willgo, Max Stoy, Chris Chelios,
uh La, Columbus. That's athat's a really easy one. Jonnis Corpusalo,
(09:01):
Jeff Carter, Yeah, Chicago Columbus. I want that one. Jack
Johnson, Yeah. Jack Johnson's playedfor everybody. He's the answer on almost
everyone. I don't know. It'sfun. It's fun if you haven't tried
it. The ones that are superhard is like it'll be like Vancouver and
then it'll be like and played forfive other teams. It's like, oh
(09:24):
fuck, like what and that one? That one, Sam Garnier, everyone
seven teams can get down. We'llcheck that out. It's a p U
K d O ku. I knowit sounds goofy, but you gotta you
gotta figure it out there. Todayon the show, we're gonna talk Babcock
(09:45):
controversy, uh Keith signs and extensionin Toronto. I just want to touch
on that for one second. We'lltalk captains signings, UFAs, RFAs,
PTOs, and a little bit ofwhat the future brings for some teams.
(10:07):
All right, let's get it goingright away. Let's talking Mike BABC hate
talking about stuff like this, butwe have to talk about it this because
it's probably been the most talked aboutnews in the National Hockey League for the
last one week and a half sincethis drop last Tuesday. I dropped last
yea. God, it seems likelonger than a week ago, doesn't it.
(10:28):
Yeah, definitely. Okay, Sohere's what happened, or what supposedly
happened, is that he's asked tolook through players phones and look at photos.
It was reported on the spitt andChecklists podcast, which is a good
podcast, a little bit too longof episodes good podcasts though, but it
was reported by Paul Descenett, andI have zero credibility with Paul Bisnett,
(10:50):
even though I know a lot ofpeople really really like him. But I
have zero credibility with Mike Babcock also, So when I heard it, I
thought, m credible, no credible, No, who gives a ship?
Okay, But you gotta look atMike Babcock's history with this, and his
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tactics that he plays, and hismind games that he plays, and what
he did in Toronto to Mitch Marnerin front of the whole team, and
you look at this and it's like, Okay, I'm sending I'm sensing a
pattern here, and a leopard doesn'tchange his spots. I've always said that,
right, and I don't. Okay, But when you've done it now
(11:33):
with your fourth team as a headcoach, when when you're okay, let
me let me word at this way, Blake, when you're arrogant, oh
yeah, then they don't change yourspot. This is the This is the
sad part about about this, though, is you look at you look at
Mike Babcock's resume, some of thebest coaches of all time, and the
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fact that this he's probably gonna bea Hall of Fame coach. I'll say
he's probably gonna be a Hall ofFame coach. He's got two Styley Cups.
He's got two he's got two Olympicgold medals. His resume speaks for
itself. It's just unfortunate that thisis the way that his career ends,
like he won't be voted in goingback to his old patterns, just how
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he got kicked out, Like it'sit's unfortunate. I like, I like
Babcock as a coach. I don'tlike his tactics and how he goes about
it. It's uh, he playswith the younger players minds. Like even
even back when he was in Detroithe benched Mike Badanos. We didn't get
to his thousand games, Like it'sjust little shit like that, Like and
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then back when he called out MitchMartyr to point out the most laziest player
on the team and the guy doesn'thave the guys with the worst work ethic
on the team, like really,like that's a that's a guy that's been
in the league for a year ortwo years. It's like, really,
what are we doing? But Idon't understand, Like I'm not defending Babcock
at all. Like what he didwas it was stupid. I don't know
(13:03):
how it came to that or whynobody said well, I mean like good
but I know one of them didn'tmake a big deal out of it,
and there's no reason for General Goodrowto lie. No, I don't think
they're I don't think they would lieeither. But I was reading that young
players came forward, and the youngplayers didn't didn't like the tactics. I
(13:24):
mean, think about it. Thinkabout it. If if you're a seventeen
year old kid, eighteen year oldkid, and you're just entering the league
and this guy's got this guy's gotyour your future holding in his hands,
and he asked you to show yourphone. I mean you're probably thinking,
you're you're probably gonna be a littlescared shitless, and you're probably just gonna
give him the phone. But Imean, like if you're Johnny Gadrou,
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you have a wife and you havea kid, I mean, like sure,
I mean he's been a league forwhat ten years. I don't think
he's gotta have a problem with that. I mean, it's the it's the
cold cylinders and those young kids.The fantilities that they're that are probably like,
no, dude, you're not lookingat my fun conformed, Like I
don't understand what he would want tosee, and I don't understand what that
would like. I don't understand thewhole. It just seems so weird to
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me to get to know you,Like, why do you need to see
pictures go to lunch? Like whydon't we just introduce the families like you.
I don't know, man, it'sjust so weird. I've never seen
I've never heard of that happening before. Yeah, it was just super weird,
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man, I don't know. Hegoes on to resign on Sunday.
The Bolts said that he spent severalminutes scrolling through young players phones, looking
at all their photos and more.And when when Biz said he hooked it
up to the airplay on the TV, I'm like, hey, you know
what, I now the reports havenot said that at all. No,
(14:52):
but uh, credit the BIS.He was correct on most of the stuff.
Yeah, but I think in theday that he grossly misrepresented misrepresented the
meetings and and I believe here's thething, here's the thing. But I
think here's the thing about Biz businessBiz is a pretty impactful media member of
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the NHL right now. Believe itor not, believe it or not like
or hate him. He works forTNT and it's very successful. Lots of
people like that. He's a differentpersonality, He's a different cat. He
goes about his business differently and alot of people like it. A lot
of people don't like it, buta lot of people do like it.
And the thing is business and nobusiness and no room to lie on this
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and the fact that he got pushedback and a lot of people push back
on this, and he doubled andtripled down and he was right, so
it ended up being right. Sothen he's a lot like Don Sherry,
is what you're saying, Well,I mean Don Cherry, Yeah, I
know, oh for sure. Yeah, but but but he was right.
(16:06):
He was right. The NHLPA,good on them. Good on them for
doing an investigation into this and havingthe players back. This is the first
this is the first checklist. I'mon. Marty Walsh's Marty Walsh's as the
as the PA guy, and hegets an A plus for me for handling
this right away. It's the onlyway it could have an investigation that they
did so, yeah, no meritto it. Yeah, until until they
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got no, because that's when that'swhen they didn't have other information from those
younger players to come out and spoke. But they never the NHLPA never even
went to those younger players to askthem how good of an investigation is that?
No, they did, they askedthe people that were interested in They
didn't fucking say anything. And thenit was after the investigation that those players
came for because they're probably scared shitlessfrom the guy. What like, if
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you're doing a murder investigation, youknow, you probably dig a little deeper
than what they initially get, right, for sure. But in the end
they handled it the right way.And kudos to them. This had to
be done. You couldn't and Iam, well they didn't. They he
resigned, No, I am hewas forced to resign, Yes, of
course, of course. And I'mnot saying that he's right. I just
don't understand it at all, Like, I just I don't understand it.
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His tactics are just so tiring,like they're just so old, like dude,
The thing, what babcock is thisguy, this guy had to have
known that this was his last chanceand he had, Like, all he
did was not slip up? Andwhat does this guy do? Revert the
old patterns? And then the bigbad Babs is back. But that's because
he's an arrogant prick. Like arrogantpricks don't think that anything will happen to
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them. I said, a spotdoesn't A Leppard doesn't change his spots.
The guys say, arrogant, He'salways gonna be arrogance is to sue two
questions. What does Mike Babcock findon your phone? On my phone?
Uh? Screen shots from Twitter?Uh, score update graphics from the terriers.
(18:04):
I mean he didn't find anything onmy phone. You didn't find anything
good on my phone either? Disappointed? No, I mean I don't know
why he was trying to find likebut yeah, so here's part two to
that question. If if, ifyou're playing on the Columbus Blue Jacks and
Mike Babcock says Blake, I wantto see your phone, what's your response,
(18:26):
Oh, to fuck off? Youknow, I look at my phone
like that's invasion, Like that's aninvasion of privacy. I don't care.
If you're what I would have said, perfect, I'll trade you. Yeah.
Seriously, though, like you wantto get to know me. I
want to get to know you seriouslythough, Like that's that's such an invasion
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of privacy, like your phone,Like your whole life is on your phone.
Your whole life, anything you dois on your phone, like it
or not, that's just that's justfacts. Yeah, it's calous. It's
crazy. Time to go around theleague. Let's talk Sheldon our Sheldon Sheldon.
(19:14):
Yeah, okay, and I thinkthis is this happened weeks ago,
but I still wanted to talk abouthim. The reason I wanted to talk
about this Toronto extends him and theseason hasn't started. I told you he
was going to get extended. Iliterally told, I literally said, this
is gonna happen. I believe hegot three years. Was three years.
I think it's two plus an option. So I don't understand this. What
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is with the timing of this?Like why now? It's's because new the
new GM, Brad Tree Living camein and he says he trust him.
And right when he said that,I told you on this podcast that he's
gonna get an extension and you werelike, oh, I don't know,
it was too early to tell.But now, why for for tree living.
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You're coming into a new environment,you're coming in to a new team,
and he gives Keif he gives Keitha self, he gives him a
boat of confidence. So he doesn'tgo off, doesn't have to go into
the season as a lane duck coach, and he doesn't have that contract on
his mind. He's got security andnow he now that's ship is off his
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mind. He doesn't have to worryabout pressure coaching to win games. And
if he doesn't have to worry ahole, if I start five and fifteen,
I'm gonna got fired. Like he'sgot security, he's he's that's he's
peace of mind. And I like, I like to move like I like
I said, he's a good coach. Like I mean, they got a
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good team. He's a good coach. It's up to the players now.
It's just like there's only so muchyou could do with this team. They've
kicked every can three times now andthey're still not winning. So I don't
know, I don't mind the movethough. He's a good coach. I
mean, his record speaks for itself. Adam Law renamed captain of the Winnipeg
Jets. Quinn Hugh was named captainof the Vancouver Canucks. The Lowry one
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didn't have me scratching my head atall, but the Quinn Hughes did a
little bit. Oh yeah, Imean it depends where would angle you look
at it from. I mean,I think that Petterson would have got got
the captain if he had an eightyear contract next to his name. I
mean, it's as simple as that. I don't think either of those two
as much as you know, youknow where I stand, I wouldn't name
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JT. Miller of the captain.That's just what I would have done.
Leader, the leader on that team, Yeah for sure. I mean,
but there's also the bat shit thatcomes with him, like the slamming sticks
and the fucking pissing and moaning likethat. That shit it gets. He's
gotten better at it. Talkets talketskind of toned down on that ship.
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He's had a better attitude under talketwhich has which has been positive. But
you know, I think when QuinnHughes stood up for for Tanner Pearson and
how how that situation was handled,they were there. He stood up when
the when the Canucks on their pridenight, like he was kind of their
spokesperson for a lot of stuff forthem last year. Like all the sound
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bites that came out of that lockerroom, a lot of them are from
Quinn Hughes hang on though, andI agree with that. But standing up
for those things that are outside thelocker room doesn't make you the captain of
the Oh yeah, but when oneof your players chooses not to wear the
jersey and you speak on it,that's that shows volumes your leadership. No,
I'm just no, I'm not sayingI'm not arguing that. I like,
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he's been a captain. He wasa captain at Michigan, he was
the captain at the US Element team. He was the captain of the World
juniors. Like the guy. Guys, that guy's been a leader of his
whole career. He's any any letshis play do the talking. He's the
best player in the ice by amile. He's a top it's a top
ten d man in the league.He's not a top pen demon ling and
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he's not the best player on theCanucks. Her whole power play moves through
him. I mean, well,it wasn't very good last year, so
I don't know if that's it wasn'tvery good. They're fucking eighth were talking
about, Wow, their peny killwas why they were so bad. It
was the worst than the NHL history. But Quinn Hughes. I mean,
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he could have went Miller, youcould have went Paterson, you could have
went Hughes. This makes no differenceto me. I think those are three
good options. Lowry, that's ano brainer, that one. That one,
he just speaks a leader. Imean he leads for example, he
fights, he hits, he sticksup for his teammates. I mean,
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with uncertainty was Shifley. I don'tthink he could have gave it to him,
But maybe you could have gave itto Morrissey. That's maybe the other
option. You could have given itto Morrissey. But I like, I
like to move. He is aleader of the Jets. Some signings Jake
Sanderson signs in Ottawa eight years,eight point zero five million. Did this
one make you scratch your head alittle bit? I'm scratching my head right
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now. This guy has what sixtygames in the league, sixty. I
know he's got thirty two points.I mean, like I've said, you're
paying for the player in the future, but like, damn, take it.
It's ballsy. It's ballsy, andI like it. I like it
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because I think this contract is gonnais gonna age wonderfully, because this guy
is such a good players. Andthe fact that Paul Paul Dorian is it
Paul or Peter Pierre Dorian Dorian?Sorry, I knew the fact that this
guy is locked up. He's lockedup, Branstrom, He's locked up.
(25:03):
I'm good? Uh Chuck? Ohthe fuck is that center's name? Bathurson?
He locked up Bathurson? He lockedup Shabba, Like all eight years.
What I've been saying, all theseyoung guys as long as you possibly
can, none of this bridge dealshit, none of this bridge deal shit.
Get him locked up to sixty eightyears. They got him all locked
(25:25):
up eight years, man like that, and have pretty reasonable prices too.
This sandersone's high though it's high,but dude, his ceiling is off the
charts. Like this guy, butdo you watch him in North Dakota?
You know how good he is?Like, this guy's stuck. Well,
what's gonna happen with Shane Pinto?They have no money to sign him now,
I know, like they're they're gonnahave to go bridge with Pinto that's
(25:45):
just what it's gonna be, orthey're gonna have to trade him. I
don't, dude, that would bea mistake. Guys A two guys,
A two way guy. So whyshould he have to Why should he have
to? Why should he have tosign a bridge? Why should he have
to? Why should he if he'ssmart, If he's smart, he takes
a two year deal like five milland takes advantage when the cap goes up
(26:10):
six seven mill in two years.That's that's what I would do if I
was Yam. And what happens ifsomebody else says they'll give him five million
for six years or seven years?No, okay, we're talking about an
office sheet now. No, I'mtalking about him saying I'm not signing that
contract because I know there's twenty fiveother teams that would give signed me.
Hey, well, he's an RFAand you have it right, so he
can't do that. You want todo that, you sign an office sheet,
(26:33):
that's your only options. He canjust say I'm not showing up.
Well i'd be that would be veryI would be very dumb of him to
do. I think he gets moved. I don't know why I do.
I think he gets moved, Iwould be a mistake, but we'll see.
I'm very interested to see this ottowhat team. I like what they've
done, I do. I reallylike what well and they bring. They
(26:55):
brought in Corpusawo too. Like Dad. That's a he's pretty good. I'm
not saying he's like an elite Goldie, but he's better than He's better than
Cam Talbot. He's better than thatMatt Murray. He's better than Anton Forsburg
that they've had in the last threeyears and they got him locked up in
four years of five mill Yeah.Yeah, we'll see what happens. We've
got a couple of UFA is stillhanging out there and Patrick Kane's still sitting
(27:18):
out there deserved. I saw theymight go to Admonton. Fuck, what's
something. He's got shoulder surgery.He's hurt that he's out told December.
So Patrick's not going to Edmonton.The Canucks want to bring him back,
but I mean, you can't,you can't do anything. He's out six
(27:41):
months. So there's a couple ofother RFAs that I'm interested. What's gonna
happen with Trevor Zegris. He hasn'tsigned yet No, h that's an interesting
one. For sure. They went, they went, They went six or
seven times seven on on excuse me, Troy Terry when they came in at
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four point five in the arm andhe came in at eight or nine or
something. May Minnesota's a good kayland an Addison who plays, Yeah,
he's he's a stud. That guy'sa right handed d puck good puck mover.
Yeah, there's there's some good playersout there still. Patrick Kane,
I mean I was reading that he'sahead of schedule and then he could be
(28:26):
ready for training camp. So Imean, we'll see what guy's coming off
hip surgery. So Matt, maybethat's like an October signing closer to the
regular season. I guess nobody hasany money left. Man, we'll me
he's made his money. I don't. I don't think money's a really issue
for him. He wants to winanother cop, he'll he'll sign for cheap
(28:48):
if you wants to win any PTOsthat have caught your attention. Uh.
Sam Ghanni went back to the Oilersfor one hundred time Forgottable at that good
for Honestly, I'm happy for BrandonSetter. The guys, the guy's been
through a lot. What did hesigned Vancouver? Now I signed Emilton Pto
and Emilton he Ha. He hasn'tplayed in two years. He's had long
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term COVID, like, he hasn'tbeen able to skate or anything like.
He's just been down and out.And I'm happy for the guy. His
tenure didn't go well in Vancouver andhe was reck he was overpaid and he
just didn't live up to the playerthat they wanted wanted him to be.
But I'm happy that that he's backin game shape and he's gonna be trying
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to make a team and the firsttime in two years, as we were
prepared for in the new season,there's teams that over the next five years
will go into a dark time intheir franchise, and there's teams that are
gonna going to all bright time.Who is the brightest, namely, three
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teams that are heading towards bright futuresand three teams are heading towards dark futures.
Okay, we'll go dark futures.We will go the Boston Bruins,
we will go Pittsburgh Penguins, wewill go Winnipeg Jets, and we will
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go to Tampa Bay Lightning. Uh, I don't know if I'm ready to
do that. I got Washington,Yeah, Washington can do that. Sat
Louis is already on that path.I got. They're not heading that,
They're already on that path. AndI've already and I've got Columbus Pennsylvan for
that too. Okay, teams onthe rise, the Columbus Blue Jackets,
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I got them going backwards. They'renot on the rise. Why are they
going on the rise? Have youseen their center depth? Are you kidding?
Their Sara deeps gonna be the best, one of the best in the
league. Of five years, it'snot even gonna be close. They're gonna
have Fantilly, They're gonna have Cyldinger. Dude, give me five years.
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I might be a dynamite team.I'm seriously, they're they're they're kind of
down in the dumps right now.But man, Ottawa, I like what
they're building. I like what Buffalowas building. I've got Buffalo. Sadly,
I've probably said Buffalo for ten yearsnow. Though. I like what
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Montreal's drinking. But they're they're waysaway. Like LA. I like LA
two. I love LA's team.I do too. I love I love
LA's team. I don't love thepure Luke Deboa trade because of what they
had to give up. Oh,they gave up a lot, but everything
else on that team. They gotthe youth, they got Kevin Fiala,
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they still got Co guitar like adrink. Kelly's gonna be a big loss
for He's gonna be a huge lossfor them, for sure, they say.
I mean, winn looked like theywere going to the doldrums and they
get some good pieces in the dubar. Could you could have you could have?
You got a you got a bankon Gabe Billardi taking another step like
he's got a score twenty goals thisyear. He's gotta scored twenty goals.
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Co Patar is still a two waydemon. He still got Dowdy. Their
goaltending kind of concerns me. They'rerunning with h they're running with Cam Talbot
and uh, the guy that wastheir last year, what's damn blanking holding
up Cam Talbot. I have noproblems and no worries with no no,
no, Yeah, Phoenix Copley,Well we'll see. I mean he kind
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of lightning in a bottle last yearfor them, but yeah, we'll see.
Yeah, I don't know. Ilove I love what La is doing,
but we'll see what happens. Timefor three questions. It gets time
with three questions. Question number one. Five teams in the NHL have had
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long playoff droughts. Who will breakthe drought first? The five longest are
Buffalo at twelve, Detroit at seven, Ottawa's six, Anaheim at five,
San Jose at four? Who breaksat first? We're counting the Canucks making
it COVID here. Yeah, evidentlythey are. Yeah, I'm gonna say
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Ottawa. I like Ottawa's team,Ottaware Buffalo. Yeah, I would go
with you on the Ottawa. Iwould be it's gonna be a team in
the Atlantic. Yeah, I thinkwith you that you're buying what I'm selling.
I am for once, Yeah,I am. I wouldn't be at
first. So let's just say that. No, our predictions last ye were
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eerily similar and eerily bad. Yeah, they're fucking horrible. Yeah. I
think you had Boston missing the playoffs. No, you did. I had
Boston in the playoffs. Shit,because I have them right in front of
me. Actually, actually I thinkyou had him in fourth missing the playoffs
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I hit him as a wild cardin the playff, I have it right
in front of me, Blas.Oh sorry, I had him in fourth
but missing the playoffs. Yes,yeah, that's right, that's right,
that's right. Okay. Question numbertwo. Recently Winnipeg and Vancouver named their
captains. Eight NHL teams still havenot named their captains. Were just talking
about this can't continue? Would youselect to where the sea all? Name
the team? You tell me whoyou pick as captain? Anaheim, Ducks,
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Trevors, Zegris. I don't know, like who else is on that
team. It's all young guys,like it's it's Terry, it's McTavish,
it's Zegris. There, I'm onthe screen. Now, what happened?
There we go? We're back.I don't I don't know. I don't
know if I'll go. If Fowlerwas there a little longer, I would
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have said maybe him, But Idon't know. Arizona Coyotes, I don't
think you can name a captain here, can you? I mean, unless
you want to give the team toClayton Keller. But he's not even he's
got one year left on his deal. I know. I don't think there's
anybody on that team, Boston Bruins, Boston Bruins. I think back was
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it would be a good captain.Brad Marshawn will get it. I don't
know if Brad Marshawn wants to thatcaptain. I think he's okay at being
an assistant captain. Something tells methat. I don't know if you wants
actual responsibility. I don't know.Michael Backlin, are assuming Michael Backlin A
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he stoked my answer, Mad,I'll agree Flames Michael Backlin. Do you
give it to him? No?If he hasn't signed yet, he doesn't,
maybe then maybe that makes him stay. I don't know if you if
you don't give it to him,you give it to the eleven and eleven
and a half million dollars man?No, you don't. Or you give
it to Wager? No you don't. Do you give it to ask miss
Anderson? What about Weaker? Anderson'sbeen with the franchise the whole time.
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He's a leader. That doesn't matter, It doesn't matter. What are you
gonna give it to? Why wouldn'tyou? Why would you give it to
Weiger over Anderson? I think he'sI think he has way more leadership skills
than than him. Have you watchedthis team listen, I don't know,
man like it's I think that weakeris more of a leader. I think
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weaker is more of a leaders.Chicago Backhawks Connor Bdard, he's eighteen.
I don't they gave Crosby the captainat eighteen? No, they didn't,
sorry, nineteen, or they gavehim at nineteen. They gave him at
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nineteen. Is the youngest captain Angelhistory. I think that's wrong there.
I believe Jonathan Tays was the youngestcaptain. I don't. I think.
I think I'm dead right. Wellgoogle it quick because I don't. I
don't think you're right. All right, I'll look it up. I might
I might be wrong here, ButI longest h captain. I think it's
honestly McDavid. Now, yeah,it's McDavid. And then before that it
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was Crosby. Really close. Daysis fourth? Who's third? Doesn't say
here, just says tas okay.Two more Philadelphia, three more Philadelphia Flyers.
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I'm trying to think of guys onthat team. I don't know who
I would put. I don't thinkyou prover, I don't know. Let
me let me, hold on,let me look at their roster. Here
at the roster if we hold on, hold on, but if we have
to look at the roster, thatmeans that nobody's should be cap The obvious
choice to be Travis Konnecte or orTravis Sandheim. He's there for a hundred
(38:08):
years. He's probably the leader too. Yeah, probably i'd probably go him.
Uh, Seattle cracking, Seattle crack, And that's an interesting one to
me. You could go, youcould go a guy like Jaden Schwartz.
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Yeah, you could have that.You could have the reins over to Maddy
Binniers. There's a you could dothat. You could give it to Vice.
You could give it to Vince Doneor an interesting one I like.
I like Vince Dunne. Yes,yeah, I'd probably give it to Brandon
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Tannev's another guy who I think isa big leader in that room. Aberley's
been a leader. I don't thinkhe's captain material. I would go Schwartzer,
Vince Dune. That would be myguesses. Yeah. Final one Saint
Louis Blues, Saint Louis Blues.Honestly, I think it's gonna go to
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Kyra where Robert Thomas, yeah,or or Colton Prago No to be moved
every year for so what he's stilla good it's good. It's still a
good player, good leader. Yeah. But like there's there's many options.
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You either hand it off to avet, or you had the reins over
to like like Ottawa did with Kachuck, or you had it over to the
young kids. You know, Sothere's multiple ways you can do it.
There's a lot of teams got alot of young players. It could be
like, like I said, Matthave been heres, like maybe they give
him the captain. I don't know. Question number three without a long question,
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Holy shit, right, Question numberthree without naming them? What is
your favorite NHL team the most famousfor? My NHL? What are they
most famous for? Fuck? Theright rioting in the Cup? You set
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that up on a tee for me, you fucking bastard. Your team is
known for it was in in Gamesix. Suck on it, suck on
that. Well, my team isprobably knowing for losing Johnny Goodreau and free
agents. No, they're known forGame six Martime Jell and I was in.
That's what they're knowing for. Alright. Listener questions, how is
(40:45):
one of your worst questions of alltime? What the worst birth of year?
Off right listener question from Courtney Gillen, Denver, Colorado. What is
the first NHL jersey that you owned? Uh? My first NHL jersey I
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owned was a white Patrick Wall ColoradoAvalanche jersey. Wow. My grandpa was
My grandpa was an Avalanche. Mydad's dad. That's the only grandpa I
have alive. Unfortunately, he wasan AVS fan and he that's what he
(41:29):
got me is Patrick Wadgers. Hetried to make me an AVS fan.
And I was little and my dad, my dad tried to make the Habs
fan. And then my my unclebabysat me when I was like three or
four years old, and he wasa Canucks fan. I chose the Canucks.
I don't know who was the onethat took you to an oinner's game
and made you were a jersey.That's my uncle. That's my uncle.
That's my cousin. That's my cousin, Oliver, cousin Oliver. He's uh,
(41:51):
he's a beauty. He's an Ointherfan. I lost a bet,
I lost a betture evidence of that. It's tough, tough one. I
don't know how you ever got intothat situation. I lost a bet.
It's tough. At least it wasmc jesus. Who what was your first
jersey? Oh, I gotta saythat Calgary Flames Jersey white one. That's
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why I'm a flinting now you,says Pavelo Bray no clearance rack Home of
Economy. Pick the Flames Jersey.I'm a flame sand because of what I
do. Have a pave el BurreyJersey though, But that was years years
later. Listener question. That wasthe listener question, Are you out of
it? What was the third question? Oh? Yeah, that was a
(42:34):
dumb ass question. Oh my god, yeah, your question frazzled me so
much I forgot season seven. It'sup and run and we're back again next
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(42:55):
twenty questions I fired twenty questions ofBlake and dam seram all. It leads
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Good even. Welcome to the DebateHockey podcast. As we roll into season
seven of the show, and mostof the show, bradbrug join alongside my
cost each and every week like friars, Like seven seasons of talking hockey with
you, seven years of deal withyour horrible takes. Yeah, that's a
long time. That's a long time. You once told me that Calgary was
(00:49):
in the Cup. I guess Ican't say anything because I agreed with you
the slide. You had the devil. I had the Devil's making the playoffs
three years ago, but I wasI was talking about the future. Now
they're good, So we're good.It's all good. You can join Blake
and I every single Monday night duringthe regular end playoff season end playoffs,
(01:10):
nine pm Central Standard Time. Wedo it live and then we release its
out on every form of podcast youcan possibly get the next day. Yeah,
camp's open Wednesday. It's the lastweekend. This last weekend was the
last weekend. We don't get anyhockey because I believe preseason games starts Saturday,
(01:30):
the twenty fourth day, Saturday,so we'll get some preseason hockey.
And then this past weekend, alot of us watch some prospects, which
was kind of fun. Yeah.No, I the Canucks had their They
brought back the Young Stars tournament.Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Vancouver have
a little round robin. Each playedthree games in Penticton. They haven't had
(01:53):
it since before COVID, so that'sa nice tournament to have. And they
streamed most of the games on Twitterand Facebook and stuff like that. So
it's nice. Nice to see youalways it's always exciting when you get to
see some prospects and kind of watchyour your future of your hockey team kind
of kind of play away. Soit's good. It's kind of the future
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and it's kind of not because there'sgonna be a couple of guys that make
it. But boy, for themost part, yeah, but I mean
most part, it's not like guysfrom just start with Vancouver, like Keto
Haros had five points this this gameor this tournament and Aiden mcdonoughhy played some
NHL games last year. I mean, I'm pretty sure Coronado was in that
(02:38):
Young Stars was he not like he'sprobably gonna make the team. So I
mean, I mean it's that therewould be a few guys that maybe crack
the team, but not much.No, but I mean it's it's fun
to see what what things look like. And plus it's a time when we're
starving for hockey anyways. So yeah, it's it's fun. It's it's fun
to see. But summer's finally orit has been a real busy summer.
(03:00):
We did a lot of things changesfor the shows. Some graphic changes and
intros and outros change, some musicchanges. Is a band called Booze Tuna
will be doing all the music forus, and they got some good tunes
so we'll have that this year,and all kinds of different things. We
still got three questions. We stillgot a listener questions. Anytime we're live,
(03:20):
you can chime in on the showand ask us questions and we'll get
him answered towards the latter part ofthe show. Yeah, it's been busy.
I got a high school senior thisyear, so that's busy. I
got an eighth grade daughter who madethe varsity golf team. That's got us
super busy. And then my eightyear old daughter walk up to me about
a month ago and said, hey, I want to play hockey this year,
So now I get So I gotall kinds of things. You moved
(03:46):
to York to this summer, yougot a new job at the radio station
and with the Yorkton Terriers. Maybe, hell, we're it's been. It's
been. It's been a gone show. Yeah, man, Like when I
when I tell you my life,I was moving a thousand miles of a
minute, Like I wasn't joking,Like the first month and moving and getting
(04:09):
a new job that I have neverdone before, and everything was new to
me. I mean, play byplay is pretty easy stuff for me,
but the doing live radio casts andprepping and interviewing people, it's it was
all new to me, Like I'vedone it in college. But I mean
that's that's four years ago. Soit took a little bit to get refreshed
(04:30):
up. And yeah, now I'mpretty comfortable right now. Picked it up
pretty quick, and I am asta couple of months through here, and
I'm really enjoying. It's fun.When we started the show seven years ago,
my youngest daughter was a year old. I remember, she was a
real little You were in college.I mean, look at all things have
changed over the seven years, andwe're still talking hockey every Monday night.
(04:53):
It's it's yeah, I mean Iactually was it two weeks ago. I
was just like super bored and Iwent back and let's do our first three
episodes. It's like we are alike either no nothing about hockey or just
like be doing on how to talkat all. Well, we knew a
lot of first the first episode.The first episode, I think it was
(05:15):
like nineteen minutes. We just likelike a thousand miles of so fast.
Yeah, it was all right,Vegas is good and the pad's over.
That's funny. It was like whatis going on? But oh, we're
two hundred and twenty six episodes later. Yeah, we've gone from thirty minute
episodes to an hour and a halfepisode, so it's kind of but we've
(05:40):
been pretty consistent with forty five minutes, so it's good. We made a
vowel, last vowel that's right.I'm trying to say last year to try
to keep it in forty five minutes. And we get a little bit longer
on some of the larger prediction showsor trade deadline things like that, but
you know what, we keep itpretty much four five minutes. What else?
You know what? One thing Iwanted to touch before we get going
two things Actually we talked last yearabout Spencer and Night and how he left
(06:04):
for I. Well, no,I didn't know if I said Vesna I
said he was going to have morewins than Verbroski. No, actually,
I think he said he's gonna winthirty games. I think that's that's what
I said. That's what I said. Yeah, and I still think he
will a little bit came out thisweek about why he entered the Player's Assistance
Program, and when we hear aplayer enters that, we usually automatically think
(06:28):
alcohol, drugs the way we thinkthe worse. Right. He was in
there for for his for treatment ofOCD, h O CDs sucks. I
have it. It's no fun dealwith it every day in my life and
it's no fun. I feel badfor him. It sounds like things are
good, He's got some some differentthings figured out and in controlled and hopefully
(06:51):
be back with the team. Isjust think about like how stressful the position
is as a goalie and adding OCDonto that, it's like it just gets
mad, It just gets magnified timesten. And there's you know, there's
tons of different types of overseasing anddifferent things. You know that people are
obsessive of all his was handwashing.It just sucks. There's it. Mind's
(07:14):
not that mind's keeping things organizing straight, and it drives me crazy. I
know it has drive driven my familycrazy. Over the years, I've learned
ways to cope and manage with it. And I struggle some days and I
don't other days. But yeah,I don't know. I feel bad for
the young man, and I hopehe comes back this year. And yeah,
I mean, I'll be honest,like when I saw that report,
(07:34):
I totally forgot about night. Idon't even mean that in a bad way.
It's just like I haven't heard thisguy's name in a long time,
and I'm just like, oh shit, like they got this. This guy
keep be coming back Like that's agame changer there it is. He's good.
He's really good. One thing beforewe get the show started, I
(07:55):
gotta ask you, do you playthat puck Duko? Yeah, I've I'm
pretty pretty uh non consistent with itlately, but I used to play it
religiously every day when I was workingnights, I mean always, just when
I was on break. I woulddo it like three in the morning.
And that ship, that ship's easy. It's it's super easy. Yeah.
(08:16):
I try to try the baseball one. You want to challenge sh That shit
is hard. I'm not getting thebaseball because I don't I if it was
nineteen eighties baseball, I could getit. But it's any play, it's
any player that played for those teams, you can do it. Yeah.
It's like it's like the hockey one. Like the hockey gets tough though,
like when you got to do TampaBay Montreal, it's like, shit,
(08:37):
a guy contre quick, come on, like, come on, come on
baby, Jonathan Drew on. Okay, Chicago Montreal, I got this one
right away. Chicago Mantreal, willgo, Max Stoy, Chris Chelios,
uh La, Columbus. That's athat's a really easy one. Jonnis Corpusalo,
(09:01):
Jeff Carter, Yeah, Chicago Columbus. I want that one. Jack
Johnson, Yeah. Jack Johnson's playedfor everybody. He's the answer on almost
everyone. I don't know. It'sfun. It's fun if you haven't tried
it. The ones that are superhard is like it'll be like Vancouver and
then it'll be like and played forfive other teams. It's like, oh
(09:24):
fuck, like what and that one? That one, Sam Garnier, everyone
seven teams can get down. We'llcheck that out. It's a p U
K d O ku. I knowit sounds goofy, but you gotta you
gotta figure it out there. Todayon the show, we're gonna talk Babcock
(09:45):
controversy, uh Keith signs and extensionin Toronto. I just want to touch
on that for one second. We'lltalk captains signings, UFAs, RFAs,
PTOs, and a little bit ofwhat the future brings for some teams.
(10:07):
All right, let's get it goingright away. Let's talking Mike BABC hate
talking about stuff like this, butwe have to talk about it this because
it's probably been the most talked aboutnews in the National Hockey League for the
last one week and a half sincethis drop last Tuesday. I dropped last
yea. God, it seems likelonger than a week ago, doesn't it.
(10:28):
Yeah, definitely. Okay, Sohere's what happened, or what supposedly
happened, is that he's asked tolook through players phones and look at photos.
It was reported on the spitt andChecklists podcast, which is a good
podcast, a little bit too longof episodes good podcasts though, but it
was reported by Paul Descenett, andI have zero credibility with Paul Bisnett,
(10:50):
even though I know a lot ofpeople really really like him. But I
have zero credibility with Mike Babcock also, So when I heard it, I
thought, m credible, no credible, No, who gives a ship?
Okay, But you gotta look atMike Babcock's history with this, and his
(11:11):
tactics that he plays, and hismind games that he plays, and what
he did in Toronto to Mitch Marnerin front of the whole team, and
you look at this and it's like, Okay, I'm sending I'm sensing a
pattern here, and a leopard doesn'tchange his spots. I've always said that,
right, and I don't. Okay, But when you've done it now
(11:33):
with your fourth team as a headcoach, when when you're okay, let
me let me word at this way, Blake, when you're arrogant, oh
yeah, then they don't change yourspot. This is the This is the
sad part about about this, though, is you look at you look at
Mike Babcock's resume, some of thebest coaches of all time, and the
(11:56):
fact that this he's probably gonna bea Hall of Fame coach. I'll say
he's probably gonna be a Hall ofFame coach. He's got two Styley Cups.
He's got two he's got two Olympicgold medals. His resume speaks for
itself. It's just unfortunate that thisis the way that his career ends,
like he won't be voted in goingback to his old patterns, just how
(12:18):
he got kicked out, Like it'sit's unfortunate. I like, I like
Babcock as a coach. I don'tlike his tactics and how he goes about
it. It's uh, he playswith the younger players minds. Like even
even back when he was in Detroithe benched Mike Badanos. We didn't get
to his thousand games, Like it'sjust little shit like that, Like and
(12:41):
then back when he called out MitchMartyr to point out the most laziest player
on the team and the guy doesn'thave the guys with the worst work ethic
on the team, like really,like that's a that's a guy that's been
in the league for a year ortwo years. It's like, really,
what are we doing? But Idon't understand, Like I'm not defending Babcock
at all. Like what he didwas it was stupid. I don't know
(13:03):
how it came to that or whynobody said well, I mean like good
but I know one of them didn'tmake a big deal out of it,
and there's no reason for General Goodrowto lie. No, I don't think
they're I don't think they would lieeither. But I was reading that young
players came forward, and the youngplayers didn't didn't like the tactics. I
(13:24):
mean, think about it. Thinkabout it. If if you're a seventeen
year old kid, eighteen year oldkid, and you're just entering the league
and this guy's got this guy's gotyour your future holding in his hands,
and he asked you to show yourphone. I mean you're probably thinking,
you're you're probably gonna be a littlescared shitless, and you're probably just gonna
give him the phone. But Imean, like if you're Johnny Gadrou,
(13:46):
you have a wife and you havea kid, I mean, like sure,
I mean he's been a league forwhat ten years. I don't think
he's gotta have a problem with that. I mean, it's the it's the
cold cylinders and those young kids.The fantilities that they're that are probably like,
no, dude, you're not lookingat my fun conformed, Like I
don't understand what he would want tosee, and I don't understand what that
would like. I don't understand thewhole. It just seems so weird to
(14:09):
me to get to know you,Like, why do you need to see
pictures go to lunch? Like whydon't we just introduce the families like you.
I don't know, man, it'sjust so weird. I've never seen
I've never heard of that happening before. Yeah, it was just super weird,
(14:30):
man, I don't know. Hegoes on to resign on Sunday.
The Bolts said that he spent severalminutes scrolling through young players phones, looking
at all their photos and more.And when when Biz said he hooked it
up to the airplay on the TV, I'm like, hey, you know
what, I now the reports havenot said that at all. No,
(14:52):
but uh, credit the BIS.He was correct on most of the stuff.
Yeah, but I think in theday that he grossly misrepresented misrepresented the
meetings and and I believe here's thething, here's the thing. But I
think here's the thing about Biz businessBiz is a pretty impactful media member of
(15:20):
the NHL right now. Believe itor not, believe it or not like
or hate him. He works forTNT and it's very successful. Lots of
people like that. He's a differentpersonality, He's a different cat. He
goes about his business differently and alot of people like it. A lot
of people don't like it, buta lot of people do like it.
And the thing is business and nobusiness and no room to lie on this
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and the fact that he got pushedback and a lot of people push back
on this, and he doubled andtripled down and he was right, so
it ended up being right. Sothen he's a lot like Don Sherry,
is what you're saying, Well,I mean Don Cherry, Yeah, I
know, oh for sure. Yeah, but but but he was right.
(16:06):
He was right. The NHLPA,good on them. Good on them for
doing an investigation into this and havingthe players back. This is the first
this is the first checklist. I'mon. Marty Walsh's Marty Walsh's as the
as the PA guy, and hegets an A plus for me for handling
this right away. It's the onlyway it could have an investigation that they
did so, yeah, no meritto it. Yeah, until until they
(16:32):
got no, because that's when that'swhen they didn't have other information from those
younger players to come out and spoke. But they never the NHLPA never even
went to those younger players to askthem how good of an investigation is that?
No, they did, they askedthe people that were interested in They
didn't fucking say anything. And thenit was after the investigation that those players
came for because they're probably scared shitlessfrom the guy. What like, if
(16:56):
you're doing a murder investigation, youknow, you probably dig a little deeper
than what they initially get, right, for sure. But in the end
they handled it the right way.And kudos to them. This had to
be done. You couldn't and Iam, well they didn't. They he
resigned, No, I am hewas forced to resign, Yes, of
course, of course. And I'mnot saying that he's right. I just
don't understand it at all, Like, I just I don't understand it.
(17:18):
His tactics are just so tiring,like they're just so old, like dude,
The thing, what babcock is thisguy, this guy had to have
known that this was his last chanceand he had, Like, all he
did was not slip up? Andwhat does this guy do? Revert the
old patterns? And then the bigbad Babs is back. But that's because
he's an arrogant prick. Like arrogantpricks don't think that anything will happen to
(17:41):
them. I said, a spotdoesn't A Leppard doesn't change his spots.
The guys say, arrogant, He'salways gonna be arrogance is to sue two
questions. What does Mike Babcock findon your phone? On my phone?
Uh? Screen shots from Twitter?Uh, score update graphics from the terriers.
(18:04):
I mean he didn't find anything onmy phone. You didn't find anything
good on my phone either? Disappointed? No, I mean I don't know
why he was trying to find likebut yeah, so here's part two to
that question. If if, ifyou're playing on the Columbus Blue Jacks and
Mike Babcock says Blake, I wantto see your phone, what's your response,
(18:26):
Oh, to fuck off? Youknow, I look at my phone
like that's invasion, Like that's aninvasion of privacy. I don't care.
If you're what I would have said, perfect, I'll trade you. Yeah.
Seriously, though, like you wantto get to know me. I
want to get to know you seriouslythough, Like that's that's such an invasion
(18:47):
of privacy, like your phone,Like your whole life is on your phone.
Your whole life, anything you dois on your phone, like it
or not, that's just that's justfacts. Yeah, it's calous. It's
crazy. Time to go around theleague. Let's talk Sheldon our Sheldon Sheldon.
(19:14):
Yeah, okay, and I thinkthis is this happened weeks ago,
but I still wanted to talk abouthim. The reason I wanted to talk
about this Toronto extends him and theseason hasn't started. I told you he
was going to get extended. Iliterally told, I literally said, this
is gonna happen. I believe hegot three years. Was three years.
I think it's two plus an option. So I don't understand this. What
(19:36):
is with the timing of this?Like why now? It's's because new the
new GM, Brad Tree Living camein and he says he trust him.
And right when he said that,I told you on this podcast that he's
gonna get an extension and you werelike, oh, I don't know,
it was too early to tell.But now, why for for tree living.
(19:56):
You're coming into a new environment,you're coming in to a new team,
and he gives Keif he gives Keitha self, he gives him a
boat of confidence. So he doesn'tgo off, doesn't have to go into
the season as a lane duck coach, and he doesn't have that contract on
his mind. He's got security andnow he now that's ship is off his
(20:18):
mind. He doesn't have to worryabout pressure coaching to win games. And
if he doesn't have to worry ahole, if I start five and fifteen,
I'm gonna got fired. Like he'sgot security, he's he's that's he's
peace of mind. And I like, I like to move like I like
I said, he's a good coach. Like I mean, they got a
(20:41):
good team. He's a good coach. It's up to the players now.
It's just like there's only so muchyou could do with this team. They've
kicked every can three times now andthey're still not winning. So I don't
know, I don't mind the movethough. He's a good coach. I
mean, his record speaks for itself. Adam Law renamed captain of the Winnipeg
Jets. Quinn Hugh was named captainof the Vancouver Canucks. The Lowry one
(21:07):
didn't have me scratching my head atall, but the Quinn Hughes did a
little bit. Oh yeah, Imean it depends where would angle you look
at it from. I mean,I think that Petterson would have got got
the captain if he had an eightyear contract next to his name. I
mean, it's as simple as that. I don't think either of those two
as much as you know, youknow where I stand, I wouldn't name
(21:32):
JT. Miller of the captain.That's just what I would have done.
Leader, the leader on that team, Yeah for sure. I mean,
but there's also the bat shit thatcomes with him, like the slamming sticks
and the fucking pissing and moaning likethat. That shit it gets. He's
gotten better at it. Talkets talketskind of toned down on that ship.
(21:56):
He's had a better attitude under talketwhich has which has been positive. But
you know, I think when QuinnHughes stood up for for Tanner Pearson and
how how that situation was handled,they were there. He stood up when
the when the Canucks on their pridenight, like he was kind of their
spokesperson for a lot of stuff forthem last year. Like all the sound
(22:18):
bites that came out of that lockerroom, a lot of them are from
Quinn Hughes hang on though, andI agree with that. But standing up
for those things that are outside thelocker room doesn't make you the captain of
the Oh yeah, but when oneof your players chooses not to wear the
jersey and you speak on it,that's that shows volumes your leadership. No,
I'm just no, I'm not sayingI'm not arguing that. I like,
(22:41):
he's been a captain. He wasa captain at Michigan, he was
the captain at the US Element team. He was the captain of the World
juniors. Like the guy. Guys, that guy's been a leader of his
whole career. He's any any letshis play do the talking. He's the
best player in the ice by amile. He's a top it's a top
ten d man in the league.He's not a top pen demon ling and
(23:03):
he's not the best player on theCanucks. Her whole power play moves through
him. I mean, well,it wasn't very good last year, so
I don't know if that's it wasn'tvery good. They're fucking eighth were talking
about, Wow, their peny killwas why they were so bad. It
was the worst than the NHL history. But Quinn Hughes. I mean,
(23:26):
he could have went Miller, youcould have went Paterson, you could have
went Hughes. This makes no differenceto me. I think those are three
good options. Lowry, that's ano brainer, that one. That one,
he just speaks a leader. Imean he leads for example, he
fights, he hits, he sticksup for his teammates. I mean,
(23:48):
with uncertainty was Shifley. I don'tthink he could have gave it to him,
But maybe you could have gave itto Morrissey. That's maybe the other
option. You could have given itto Morrissey. But I like, I
like to move. He is aleader of the Jets. Some signings Jake
Sanderson signs in Ottawa eight years,eight point zero five million. Did this
one make you scratch your head alittle bit? I'm scratching my head right
(24:11):
now. This guy has what sixtygames in the league, sixty. I
know he's got thirty two points.I mean, like I've said, you're
paying for the player in the future, but like, damn, take it.
It's ballsy. It's ballsy, andI like it. I like it
(24:33):
because I think this contract is gonnais gonna age wonderfully, because this guy
is such a good players. Andthe fact that Paul Paul Dorian is it
Paul or Peter Pierre Dorian Dorian?Sorry, I knew the fact that this
guy is locked up. He's lockedup, Branstrom, He's locked up.
(25:03):
I'm good? Uh Chuck? Ohthe fuck is that center's name? Bathurson?
He locked up Bathurson? He lockedup Shabba, Like all eight years.
What I've been saying, all theseyoung guys as long as you possibly
can, none of this bridge dealshit, none of this bridge deal shit.
Get him locked up to sixty eightyears. They got him all locked
(25:25):
up eight years, man like that, and have pretty reasonable prices too.
This sandersone's high though it's high,but dude, his ceiling is off the
charts. Like this guy, butdo you watch him in North Dakota?
You know how good he is?Like, this guy's stuck. Well,
what's gonna happen with Shane Pinto?They have no money to sign him now,
I know, like they're they're gonnahave to go bridge with Pinto that's
(25:45):
just what it's gonna be, orthey're gonna have to trade him. I
don't, dude, that would bea mistake. Guys A two guys,
A two way guy. So whyshould he have to Why should he have
to? Why should he have tosign a bridge? Why should he have
to? Why should he if he'ssmart, If he's smart, he takes
a two year deal like five milland takes advantage when the cap goes up
(26:10):
six seven mill in two years.That's that's what I would do if I
was Yam. And what happens ifsomebody else says they'll give him five million
for six years or seven years?No, okay, we're talking about an
office sheet now. No, I'mtalking about him saying I'm not signing that
contract because I know there's twenty fiveother teams that would give signed me.
Hey, well, he's an RFAand you have it right, so he
can't do that. You want todo that, you sign an office sheet,
(26:33):
that's your only options. He canjust say I'm not showing up.
Well i'd be that would be veryI would be very dumb of him to
do. I think he gets moved. I don't know why I do.
I think he gets moved, Iwould be a mistake, but we'll see.
I'm very interested to see this ottowhat team. I like what they've
done, I do. I reallylike what well and they bring. They
(26:55):
brought in Corpusawo too. Like Dad. That's a he's pretty good. I'm
not saying he's like an elite Goldie, but he's better than He's better than
Cam Talbot. He's better than thatMatt Murray. He's better than Anton Forsburg
that they've had in the last threeyears and they got him locked up in
four years of five mill Yeah.Yeah, we'll see what happens. We've
got a couple of UFA is stillhanging out there and Patrick Kane's still sitting
(27:18):
out there deserved. I saw theymight go to Admonton. Fuck, what's
something. He's got shoulder surgery.He's hurt that he's out told December.
So Patrick's not going to Edmonton.The Canucks want to bring him back,
but I mean, you can't,you can't do anything. He's out six
(27:41):
months. So there's a couple ofother RFAs that I'm interested. What's gonna
happen with Trevor Zegris. He hasn'tsigned yet No, h that's an interesting
one. For sure. They went, they went, They went six or
seven times seven on on excuse me, Troy Terry when they came in at
(28:03):
four point five in the arm andhe came in at eight or nine or
something. May Minnesota's a good kayland an Addison who plays, Yeah,
he's he's a stud. That guy'sa right handed d puck good puck mover.
Yeah, there's there's some good playersout there still. Patrick Kane,
I mean I was reading that he'sahead of schedule and then he could be
(28:26):
ready for training camp. So Imean, we'll see what guy's coming off
hip surgery. So Matt, maybethat's like an October signing closer to the
regular season. I guess nobody hasany money left. Man, we'll me
he's made his money. I don't. I don't think money's a really issue
for him. He wants to winanother cop, he'll he'll sign for cheap
(28:48):
if you wants to win any PTOsthat have caught your attention. Uh.
Sam Ghanni went back to the Oilersfor one hundred time Forgottable at that good
for Honestly, I'm happy for BrandonSetter. The guys, the guy's been
through a lot. What did hesigned Vancouver? Now I signed Emilton Pto
and Emilton he Ha. He hasn'tplayed in two years. He's had long
(29:11):
term COVID, like, he hasn'tbeen able to skate or anything like.
He's just been down and out.And I'm happy for the guy. His
tenure didn't go well in Vancouver andhe was reck he was overpaid and he
just didn't live up to the playerthat they wanted wanted him to be.
But I'm happy that that he's backin game shape and he's gonna be trying
(29:33):
to make a team and the firsttime in two years, as we were
prepared for in the new season,there's teams that over the next five years
will go into a dark time intheir franchise, and there's teams that are
gonna going to all bright time.Who is the brightest, namely, three
(29:53):
teams that are heading towards bright futuresand three teams are heading towards dark futures.
Okay, we'll go dark futures.We will go the Boston Bruins,
we will go Pittsburgh Penguins, wewill go Winnipeg Jets, and we will
(30:22):
go to Tampa Bay Lightning. Uh, I don't know if I'm ready to
do that. I got Washington,Yeah, Washington can do that. Sat
Louis is already on that path.I got. They're not heading that,
They're already on that path. AndI've already and I've got Columbus Pennsylvan for
that too. Okay, teams onthe rise, the Columbus Blue Jackets,
(30:47):
I got them going backwards. They'renot on the rise. Why are they
going on the rise? Have youseen their center depth? Are you kidding?
Their Sara deeps gonna be the best, one of the best in the
league. Of five years, it'snot even gonna be close. They're gonna
have Fantilly, They're gonna have Cyldinger. Dude, give me five years.
(31:07):
I might be a dynamite team.I'm seriously, they're they're they're kind of
down in the dumps right now.But man, Ottawa, I like what
they're building. I like what Buffalowas building. I've got Buffalo. Sadly,
I've probably said Buffalo for ten yearsnow. Though. I like what
(31:30):
Montreal's drinking. But they're they're waysaway. Like LA. I like LA
two. I love LA's team.I do too. I love I love
LA's team. I don't love thepure Luke Deboa trade because of what they
had to give up. Oh,they gave up a lot, but everything
else on that team. They gotthe youth, they got Kevin Fiala,
(31:55):
they still got Co guitar like adrink. Kelly's gonna be a big loss
for He's gonna be a huge lossfor them, for sure, they say.
I mean, winn looked like theywere going to the doldrums and they
get some good pieces in the dubar. Could you could have you could have?
You got a you got a bankon Gabe Billardi taking another step like
he's got a score twenty goals thisyear. He's gotta scored twenty goals.
(32:20):
Co Patar is still a two waydemon. He still got Dowdy. Their
goaltending kind of concerns me. They'rerunning with h they're running with Cam Talbot
and uh, the guy that wastheir last year, what's damn blanking holding
up Cam Talbot. I have noproblems and no worries with no no,
no, Yeah, Phoenix Copley,Well we'll see. I mean he kind
(32:44):
of lightning in a bottle last yearfor them, but yeah, we'll see.
Yeah, I don't know. Ilove I love what La is doing,
but we'll see what happens. Timefor three questions. It gets time
with three questions. Question number one. Five teams in the NHL have had
(33:06):
long playoff droughts. Who will breakthe drought first? The five longest are
Buffalo at twelve, Detroit at seven, Ottawa's six, Anaheim at five,
San Jose at four? Who breaksat first? We're counting the Canucks making
it COVID here. Yeah, evidentlythey are. Yeah, I'm gonna say
(33:34):
Ottawa. I like Ottawa's team,Ottaware Buffalo. Yeah, I would go
with you on the Ottawa. Iwould be it's gonna be a team in
the Atlantic. Yeah, I thinkwith you that you're buying what I'm selling.
I am for once, Yeah,I am. I wouldn't be at
first. So let's just say that. No, our predictions last ye were
(33:58):
eerily similar and eerily bad. Yeah, they're fucking horrible. Yeah. I
think you had Boston missing the playoffs. No, you did. I had
Boston in the playoffs. Shit,because I have them right in front of
me. Actually, actually I thinkyou had him in fourth missing the playoffs
(34:20):
I hit him as a wild cardin the playff, I have it right
in front of me, Blas.Oh sorry, I had him in fourth
but missing the playoffs. Yes,yeah, that's right, that's right,
that's right. Okay. Question numbertwo. Recently Winnipeg and Vancouver named their
captains. Eight NHL teams still havenot named their captains. Were just talking
about this can't continue? Would youselect to where the sea all? Name
the team? You tell me whoyou pick as captain? Anaheim, Ducks,
(34:45):
Trevors, Zegris. I don't know, like who else is on that
team. It's all young guys,like it's it's Terry, it's McTavish,
it's Zegris. There, I'm onthe screen. Now, what happened?
There we go? We're back.I don't I don't know. I don't
know if I'll go. If Fowlerwas there a little longer, I would
(35:07):
have said maybe him, But Idon't know. Arizona Coyotes, I don't
think you can name a captain here, can you? I mean, unless
you want to give the team toClayton Keller. But he's not even he's
got one year left on his deal. I know. I don't think there's
anybody on that team, Boston Bruins, Boston Bruins. I think back was
(35:34):
it would be a good captain.Brad Marshawn will get it. I don't
know if Brad Marshawn wants to thatcaptain. I think he's okay at being
an assistant captain. Something tells methat. I don't know if you wants
actual responsibility. I don't know.Michael Backlin, are assuming Michael Backlin A
(35:54):
he stoked my answer, Mad,I'll agree Flames Michael Backlin. Do you
give it to him? No?If he hasn't signed yet, he doesn't,
maybe then maybe that makes him stay. I don't know if you if
you don't give it to him,you give it to the eleven and eleven
and a half million dollars man?No, you don't. Or you give
it to Wager? No you don't. Do you give it to ask miss
Anderson? What about Weaker? Anderson'sbeen with the franchise the whole time.
(36:17):
He's a leader. That doesn't matter, It doesn't matter. What are you
gonna give it to? Why wouldn'tyou? Why would you give it to
Weiger over Anderson? I think he'sI think he has way more leadership skills
than than him. Have you watchedthis team listen, I don't know,
man like it's I think that weakeris more of a leader. I think
(36:37):
weaker is more of a leaders.Chicago Backhawks Connor Bdard, he's eighteen.
I don't they gave Crosby the captainat eighteen? No, they didn't,
sorry, nineteen, or they gavehim at nineteen. They gave him at
(37:00):
nineteen. Is the youngest captain Angelhistory. I think that's wrong there.
I believe Jonathan Tays was the youngestcaptain. I don't. I think.
I think I'm dead right. Wellgoogle it quick because I don't. I
don't think you're right. All right, I'll look it up. I might
I might be wrong here, ButI longest h captain. I think it's
honestly McDavid. Now, yeah,it's McDavid. And then before that it
(37:22):
was Crosby. Really close. Daysis fourth? Who's third? Doesn't say
here, just says tas okay.Two more Philadelphia, three more Philadelphia Flyers.
(37:42):
I'm trying to think of guys onthat team. I don't know who
I would put. I don't thinkyou prover, I don't know. Let
me let me, hold on,let me look at their roster. Here
at the roster if we hold on, hold on, but if we have
to look at the roster, thatmeans that nobody's should be cap The obvious
choice to be Travis Konnecte or orTravis Sandheim. He's there for a hundred
(38:08):
years. He's probably the leader too. Yeah, probably i'd probably go him.
Uh, Seattle cracking, Seattle crack, And that's an interesting one to
me. You could go, youcould go a guy like Jaden Schwartz.
(38:30):
Yeah, you could have that.You could have the reins over to Maddy
Binniers. There's a you could dothat. You could give it to Vice.
You could give it to Vince Doneor an interesting one I like.
I like Vince Dunne. Yes,yeah, I'd probably give it to Brandon
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Tannev's another guy who I think isa big leader in that room. Aberley's
been a leader. I don't thinkhe's captain material. I would go Schwartzer,
Vince Dune. That would be myguesses. Yeah. Final one Saint
Louis Blues, Saint Louis Blues.Honestly, I think it's gonna go to
(39:15):
Kyra where Robert Thomas, yeah,or or Colton Prago No to be moved
every year for so what he's stilla good it's good. It's still a
good player, good leader. Yeah. But like there's there's many options.
(39:38):
You either hand it off to avet, or you had the reins over
to like like Ottawa did with Kachuck, or you had it over to the
young kids. You know, Sothere's multiple ways you can do it.
There's a lot of teams got alot of young players. It could be
like, like I said, Matthave been heres, like maybe they give
him the captain. I don't know. Question number three without a long question,
(40:01):
Holy shit, right, Question numberthree without naming them? What is
your favorite NHL team the most famousfor? My NHL? What are they
most famous for? Fuck? Theright rioting in the Cup? You set
(40:22):
that up on a tee for me, you fucking bastard. Your team is
known for it was in in Gamesix. Suck on it, suck on
that. Well, my team isprobably knowing for losing Johnny Goodreau and free
agents. No, they're known forGame six Martime Jell and I was in.
That's what they're knowing for. Alright. Listener questions, how is
(40:45):
one of your worst questions of alltime? What the worst birth of year?
Off right listener question from Courtney Gillen, Denver, Colorado. What is
the first NHL jersey that you owned? Uh? My first NHL jersey I
(41:07):
owned was a white Patrick Wall ColoradoAvalanche jersey. Wow. My grandpa was
My grandpa was an Avalanche. Mydad's dad. That's the only grandpa I
have alive. Unfortunately, he wasan AVS fan and he that's what he
(41:29):
got me is Patrick Wadgers. Hetried to make me an AVS fan.
And I was little and my dad, my dad tried to make the Habs
fan. And then my my unclebabysat me when I was like three or
four years old, and he wasa Canucks fan. I chose the Canucks.
I don't know who was the onethat took you to an oinner's game
and made you were a jersey.That's my uncle. That's my uncle.
That's my cousin. That's my cousin, Oliver, cousin Oliver. He's uh,
(41:51):
he's a beauty. He's an Ointherfan. I lost a bet,
I lost a betture evidence of that. It's tough, tough one. I
don't know how you ever got intothat situation. I lost a bet.
It's tough. At least it wasmc jesus. Who what was your first
jersey? Oh, I gotta saythat Calgary Flames Jersey white one. That's
(42:13):
why I'm a flinting now you,says Pavelo Bray no clearance rack Home of
Economy. Pick the Flames Jersey.I'm a flame sand because of what I
do. Have a pave el BurreyJersey though, But that was years years
later. Listener question. That wasthe listener question, Are you out of
it? What was the third question? Oh? Yeah, that was a
(42:34):
dumb ass question. Oh my god, yeah, your question frazzled me so
much I forgot season seven. It'sup and run and we're back again next
Monday night for another live episode nineo'clock Central time. I thought their show
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that the twenty questions episode? Itis? We are next week is the
(42:55):
twenty questions I fired twenty questions ofBlake and dam seram all. It leads
to some very very interesting discussions.All right, that's my posty father than
the Prediction Show and that playoff preview. It's probably my favorite episode. Miss
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