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THE DEBATE - Hockey Podcast – Episode 234 – Save the Season: Oilers need a Goalie Host- Brad Burud @BradBurud
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(00:21):
Good evening, Welcome to the DebateHockey Podcast. I'm mostly so gladly joined
alongside my co host Teaching Week,Blake Briars. It is time to talk
to the National Hockey League and thereis plenty to talk about this week,
and I think we should started offwith last weekends claims Canucks game, what
do you look like? Yeah,it wasn't. It wasn't a great showing

(00:42):
for the gold Canucks kind of gother ass kicked. I hate to tell
you something. I I think theCanucks are really good this year. I
do. I think they're They're They'rea much much, much improved team.
Yeah, but now Susie's out,that's not the end of it's it's it's
that's a big love. It's abig loss. It's a big loss.
But on the big loss, Ithink Calgary exposed something. Again. What

(01:10):
I think they exposed the fact that, if you Calgary was a little more
physical that night than they had beenin previous games this year. I'm not
saying that's why they won. I'mjust saying they were a little more physical
that night and a little bit moreengaged on the fore check, and I
think it helped slow down the effectivenessof Hughes. Yeah. Sure, but

(01:33):
also this the Canucks are on aback to back and playing their fourth game
in seven days. Claims got homeat six in the morning. Sure,
but it's a yeah, but thatVancouver's schedule has been brutal. It's the
fact, the fact that Vancouver isfive hundred in the last in the last
six. It's a win for mebecause they've had to go way out east.

(01:55):
Then they like, they went wayout east for three, then they
went back to Vancouver for one,and then they go to Calgary, and
now they go back home for salad. Then they got to go to salas
a. It's like, holy fuckit, it's insane. That's what That's
what Calgary's been doing too. Andit's part of being on the West coast.
And you know, you can buildin all the excuses you want.

(02:15):
No, no, hey, I'mnot saying they played like ship they deserve
to win. They didn't deserve towin. The Smith had a The Smith's
been great, but he had acouple of goals that he probably should have
had. But Hubert had a nicegoal. Maybe maybe that gets him kickstarted.
I don't know. They need theyneed uh, they need him get

(02:36):
going. Lando him at a threepoint game that night. So Calgary's big
guy's got him, got it going, and Vancouver didn't play very good.
We'll see the carry is over.I want to get your take on the
Chris of Thompson comments where she saidthat she made up. I think this
has been the most overblowing story.I think it, but I think it

(02:57):
got blown away out of proportion bybut probably not the greatest look for her
to admit something like that. Idon't know why you would say that.
It's just like, yeah, likeif I don't get comments from the coach,
like sometimes I just make shit up. It's like but probably probably shouldn't
say that, but it's definitely gotblond proportion. But I got a good

(03:21):
truck, Clive, and it waspretty funny. I was like, you
know, and then Catherine Tapperan putson a tweet that says, deplorable.
I hold myself to the highest standardand everything I do, I know my
hard work and colleagues do the same. We're in respecting the hard way,
and you know, I get whatshe's saying, and I get what she's
trying to achieve, but like kickingher under the boss isn't gonna help make

(03:44):
you look better, Like, Idon't think it's something that everybody needs to
comment on. And I don't know. People probably blackball me for saying this,
but it's like, I hate tosay it, but a lot of
those gals aren't. I mean,looks as a big fact. Ah yeah,
maybe I'm not gonna go down thatroad with you on this podcast,

(04:08):
but let's not get to the nexttopic. There are some super knowledgeable ones
like I walk in a fine lineright now, le A Hexall gets crucified
in the media and I are inthe social media and I hate that.
Do I like her I play byplaying? No? But she is she
works hard, she works hard,she's a nice lady. She is super

(04:29):
knowledgeable. And you know what Ithink is why we that a lot of
people don't like her. The factthat she gets flacked because of her last
name is pretty brutal. That's brutal. It's brutal, It's awful, and
I have a lot of respect forher. And do I like her play
by play? No, I don't, but there's a lot of males that
I don't like her play by play. I think what it is is we

(04:49):
become so used to hearing a toneof voice that when we don't hear that
tone of voice, whether it's amale or whatever. Like, I'm not
a big doc Emrick man, youdidn't like doctor Well, see, Like
it kind of depends on what kindof fan you were. Like, if
you're new to the game, DocEmricks your guy because he explained everything down

(05:09):
to a t, like you're fiveyears old. And for some people learning
the game, maybe you need tohear that stuff. But if your diards
like us, we probably we don'tneed to know what an icing is.
But you know, like Chris Thompson, I think does a really really good
job, and I think she knowswhat she's talking about. And I've listened
to a lot of her interviews andI feel like she knows what she's talking

(05:30):
about. Yeah, but I justI don't know. It was just so
so so blowing out of proportion.It just I couldn't believe it. I
couldn't believe it. Back to hockey, Doc stute slaw baseball style goal as
a walk off goal. Gosh,is this guy the most exciting guy in
hockey to watch? Is ry?What is Rhymer doing? Ducking? Why

(05:51):
is he ducking. If he didn'tducky he hits him right in the head.
What does he do? What ishe doing? But yeah, you
were that good a goal, you'dbe in the NHL, right, buddy,
Yep, that's correct. But Igot nothing but good things to say
about the Global Games of Sweden.I thought they were great. I don't

(06:12):
like it. I give you.You can have your opinions on it or
not. But it was a itwas a rounding success. They were all
the games were packed. They weregreat games, really good, exciting to
watch on TV. The min what'sit called the Minnesota the Minnesota Toronto game
was it was really good, unbelievablegame, horrible television ratings. Okay,
I don't I don't care. It'sabout it's about what you're what they did

(06:39):
in the country. If they wentto Sweden and there was a crowd like
Arizona, five thousand, people wouldbe like, hey, what the hell's
going on? It was packed,I know because Sweden loves hockey and they
they they are, They're huge,they're great, they have more better some
of the best players in the league. What I'm saying is from a fans

(07:00):
perspective. Now those teams fans losthome games. Yeah, that's that's true.
Just one, just one, okay, But when you when you're playing
at forty forty one, that's that'sokay. Let me ask you this.
Did the season ticket holders get adiscount then they they probably would. I
highly doubt they did. I probably, yeah, they might have got something.

(07:24):
You never know. Yeah, youdon't know that. I don't for
sure, but I highly doubt thatthey got a discount this year. We
don't know. I don't know.I just I just I don't know.
I pray that this. I praythat this league never has teams overseas,
because it will. That will neverhappen. That will never happen, because

(07:45):
if you got to wake up towatch your team play at five in the
morning, it's no. But likethat the Sweden wasn't that bad. It
was on in the afternoon. Itwasn't that bad. Would you hear they
what they were talking about? Likethe Vancouver Connects game that was at nine
o'clock Central time on Saturday night.Yeah, that's four thirty in the morning.
That's three thirty in the morning forSweden. Yeah, yeah, that

(08:07):
does that's that doesn't work. No, that just doesn't work. Just one
thing before we get into some realhockey talk in the heart of the show.
But I just wanted to pass thisalong just because, just to cool
your jets a little bit. Fastestin an NHL history to two hundred Assistant
Cam mccarr. Okay, the gapsclosed, dude, the gaps closed here,

(08:33):
dude? Should we pull up theNHL standings right now? Queen us
leads everybody in points with twenty eight. If you cared, he won't at
the end of the year. Eveneven though I think he's been amazing this
year, he's been really, reallyweird. I'm not saying, dude,
I'm all of the heart talk andwhatnot. It's like you could just stop
it. We're in November here,just Drew but good though they've been good,
eye but all of them. Butall I'm saying is the gaps closed.

(08:54):
It's it's closed, That's what I'msaying. I don't know if it's
closed, but it's He's having areal good year. Today on the show,
we're gonna have goaltender situation in Edmontonand what is a solution to that?
And then we'll talk about top fivegoalies of all time we'll go around
the league, talk about arrests,Quebec City, Columbus, problems with their
stars three on three, and howdoes McDavid measure up? Alright, O,

(09:22):
Oilers, the Oilers. We talkabout them every single week. I
feel like this is an Oilers podcast, but it's not, but it is.
Lately. What are they gonna do? We've talked about their defense and
how it's been a problem and itand it leads to their goaltending issues.
But the goaltending still isn't very good. Campbell's gone and now Skinner comes in,

(09:43):
and Skinner has been I don't know, miserable at best. Their goaltenders
right now, let me get myglasses so I can read here. Calvin.
They got Calvin Picard who's playing rightnow against Florida. He's allowed four
goals and twenty nine shots. Andthey got Skinner, and they got you
know, they got that young kidin this They got that young kid down

(10:03):
Olevier Rodriguez. What the hell yougot to lose by calling this guy up
and seeing what he happens? Idon't know. But their goalies rated sixty
eight and sixty nine out of seventyfour in the league. That's not good.
It's it's not sure, it's notsure coding, but it does start
with the defense. But you doneed to make sense. You do,
you do? You need to makemore than their making. I still like,

(10:26):
I agree with you though, andwe both said it and agreed last
week that defense leads to prime scoringchances and they just will allow way too
many prime scoring chances. So itstarted to think of this, and I'm
like, all right, if Edmonton'sgoing to get back in the playoffs,
they're going to have to do likethey did the year they acquired Dwayne Rolison.
I tried to remember that that happened, and it was that two I'm

(10:50):
pretty sure it was around January,right December, the year coming out of
the lockout. It was two thousandand six. Nott's say they went to
the Cup OH six the year afterthe year after the lockout, Yeah,
right, because Calgary was an allfour. There was nothing in five,
right, and an O six wasCarolina Edmonton? Correct? Yeah? Correct?

(11:13):
Okay, So I couldn't remember whatmonth they acquired Dwayne Rollason. I
believe it was December, and theythey eat the on March eight to two
thousand and six. It was inMarch. There was a deadline deal.
They have a Dimitra. Uh itwas Dwayne Rolls in for a first round

(11:37):
pick that became Pavel Dimitra. They'regoing to have to do something like that
again. Oh, they're gonna needto do it earlier though. Way.
Oh they're not going to make ifthey They're gonna have to do it way,
way earlier. They're not gonna havea chance. This maybe slipping away
right now as the losses pile up. As the losses pile up, it's

(12:01):
getting the it's the the percentages,the percentages, and the margin for error
just gets smaller and smaller as everyloss piles on. It is it's getting
and it's getting deeper. And thingsaren't getting better tonight either. As you
just let let me know trade candidates. Who is this team? Who can
they go out and get? Iknow who? My who I think will

(12:24):
happen. I think they're gonna eitherget it's gonna be a Montreal. I
feel like it's going to either beAlan or Montrabal. No, you know
what, could they they could godown that route, but really realistically,
that's a lateral move going from Skinnerto Jake Allen or Sam Multima. It's
a lateral move that's not gonna helpthe Oilers, So you can't do they

(12:46):
Who are they going to get better? Though? Who are they going to
get better? You have to swingfor the fences here, brads, here's
here's the three goalies out of tradefor us. If I was the Ampton
Oilers and it's gonna cost a lot, who's gonna throw them a life raft
here, a life preserver or whateverthe hell you trade you? My top

(13:09):
three candidates for Oilers would be JohnGibson, it would be Yucy Sorrows,
and it'd be Lenis Almark. Thoseare my three. Those would be top
three on my list. Okay,why would Boston give up anaheim Is?
Listen? Boston needs center depth,Ryan NuGen Hopkins and a first round pick

(13:30):
for linask Edmonton's not giving up RyanNuge Hopkins. Why why they won't?
I know, but I don't thinkthey will. I do not think they
will. Listen, This core isin win now mode. You have two
years left to dry title, youhave three years left to McDavid. There
ain't there ain't Itit's go time.There ain't no more taking years off and

(13:52):
if and if it means that youneed to trade Nugent Hopkins and a couple
of prospects to go get an elitegoalie, like all Mark, you do
it, you have to do Ilaugh. I see all these mock trades
on on social media, and Isee one today. I see the same
one over and over, John Gibsonto Edmonton for Evan Bouchard Jack Campbell in
the first I'm sorry, they don'twant Jack Campbell and Evan Jack Campbell's a

(14:15):
captain, so it's but then Anaheimhas to eat. It has to pay
Campbell for the next five years.No, no, three years? Are
you doing that? If you're Anaheim, I'm not. At first, that's
pretty appealing. No, Bouchard isnot appealing to me. Huge offensive upside,
but his defensive liability makes Tyler Myerslook like, Yeah, if you

(14:41):
put bar at the right partner,though, he can thrive. Who he
hasn't thrived yet. Well, hehasn't been played a good partner. Okay,
but if you Kate and I'm notgoing to disagree with that. But
if you're jug Hopkins is the guythat you trade. If you have,
I don't care you might have,you might have no choice. You want

(15:03):
to miss the playoffs or do youwant to keep You want to make the
playoffs, or you want to keepnu Jen Hopkins. He missed the playoffs
because that's the route they're going downright now. Who do you think there's
a better chance of Olmark? Idon't think Boston's getting rid of either one
of the goalies. I think they'regonna want him and need him down stretch.
I don't think they're gonna get Yes, but if you if you get
offered a guy who's making five twofive million dollars for the next five years

(15:26):
and is coming off one hundred pointseason, I think you seriously take a
look at that and you think HmNugent Hopkins is in it, Yes,
then I would agree with you.I would agree completely. Then if he's
in it, If he's in thein the talks, I got got the
hockey trade. That's a hockey trade. I I Boston needs center and Emitton
needs a goalie. That's a perfectmatch, the perfect match they need.

(15:50):
They need it. I'm not sayinghe's I'm not saying he's as good as
Bergron, but he's a responsible toway center that can that can take the
load off of a guy like PavelZach and Jake Debrusk and Partois, like
it would take a lot of heatoff those centers. As far as Anaheim
and John Gibson. I feel likeif that was gonna happen, it would

(16:11):
have happened a couple of years ago, right, Am I wrong? There?
I think we both agree there yousee sorrows. I for some reason,
Nashville is the most stubborn team inthe league. I just don't think
they'll trade him. Yeah, I'mnot. I don't think they'll trade him.
I mean another guy would be likeCarter Hart, but I don't know.
I wouldn't touch him right now.I wouldn't with a ten foot pole.

(16:36):
Jordan Bennington and I've also heard JacobMarks. We talked about that last
week or maybe it was two weeksago. They haven't. They've made one
trade, and it was in twothousand and nine. So would they trade
Nugent Hopkins straight up for Marks from? No? No? Marks? Too
old? Mark was too old.I don't think that matters right now.

(16:56):
I been to you said as athree year wind. Okay, so yeah
they do, But I mean that'sall they need them for, right I
Ah wouldn't be what what what Emontonwould? Would Calgary be comfortable with retaining
money? Sure? I don't knowif they trade in division. I just

(17:19):
have a hard time believe in that. I don't know. I think it
would help both teams, it wouldfor sure. I mean you you then
essentially can trade lend Holme, whichdidn't happen anyways. Right, Yeah,
I just think that it just makestoo much sense with Boston, makes too
much. I don't think the reasonit's not happening, But like I honestly

(17:41):
think if Edmonton is serious about winningand wanting to make the playoffs, they
need to do something. You can't. You can't keep going down this road
here. I agree, it's wenton way too long. Its way too
It's went on way too long.And like I said, what do you
have to lose right now? Insteadcalling up this kid he's lighting up the
HL, lighting up the HL,call him up. What do you got

(18:03):
to lose? You already fifty you'reten points of a playoff spot. You
know what I think is hilarious though, that Edmonton's gonna have to do a
panic right now. They're gonna haveto because it's that after tonight that they're
gonna have to. So every othergeneral managers just lick at his chops,
going, oh, the tag justwent up in every goal to any performance,

(18:25):
the price tag goes up and up, and Edmonton's gonna have to bite
the bullet into it. They're gonnahappen. Like I said, if if
it costs you Dusion Hopkins again,any elite goalie, then I think it's
something you have to seriously look after. Ken Holland probably probably speaking of elite
goalies, let's get this argument outof the way. Last week, we
spouted after in the show to nameour top five goalies of all time.

(18:47):
I sat down, I did myresearch, and I've come up with my
top five and it's pretty easy,pretty self explanatory, and I think we
can go from one to five.Should have we What we should have done
is we shure went top five fromlike nineteen ninety five because or since I've
been a life, because I didn'tget to watch any of those guys.
Man, I only have one that'sold, but I think everybody would agree

(19:11):
with it based off his his resumeis off the charts. You might not
be having like Terry Damn sawchuck inhere. No, no, no,
you played in nineteen fifteen, forGod's sake. No, no, no,
I don't. Okay, who's yourtop goalie? They're all in my
lifetime, they're all in my yea, my top goalie. And I don't
know how many people would argue withthis with me, because I honestly do

(19:33):
believe he was the He is thebest goalie is Dominic Cassick. That's why
I have his number one too.I honestly believe that that guy he took
bad teams even and won with him. Yeah that's not fair. No,
no, he didn't take bad teams. He took he took me, he
took like he took good teams.Yes, yes, that's probably the best

(19:56):
way to put it. My numbertwo is my only guy that's older,
but it's still in my lifetime.Ken Dryden. See I'm too old.
I'm too young for Kendrick. Imean Thick Stanley Cups five, Vesna's cons
might trophies year after year. Butsee, but you see, to me,

(20:19):
to me is a team stat.Here's the stat that really stood out
to me in a time when goaltendingwas not that great. He had a
point percentage. Yeah, that's good. That's why I put him in this.
That's why I put him in this. My number two is Patty Wah.
Okay, he's coming up on thehost. He's coming Patty Wall.

(20:42):
Number two for me? Uh who'snumber three? I got? I got
Martin Broders three, and I badmouth broder all the time. But he's
still got the job done. Hewas on teams that were super he played,
he played in a super team offour defense. He played on a
team that was super conducive to thedefense. Right, just like really really

(21:03):
really good defense. But there's anotherloss for the old Minton Oilers. But
she just he was amazing though,and and everything that he did win uh
right. Number three for me,I got Patty Wall broader too, okay,
and I and I got four.I got Patrick Wall, Okay.

(21:26):
The reason I moved him, thereason I had Patrick Wall below bro Dure
is because Patrick Wall wasn't as consistent, oh year in and year out,
like bro Dur's numbers are just booboo boo boo boo boom boo boom.
And Patrick Wall was really good.I mean, holy cow, what he
did with that Montreal Canadians team rightaway, coming in as a rookie,

(21:51):
and then all of a sudden hedoes it in Colorado right when when he
goes there and he just, Imean amazing, it was amazing. Okay,
number number four for me? Right? No? Oh, I think

(22:11):
you said your broder was four foryou? Right? No, brother,
there's three, Okay four the longago, just kidding along? Was not
on there for Eddie belfour? Ihave a Bell four at five. I
got ad Bell for at four.I just think I shocked that you have
him at four. I just Ilove his uh, I just love his

(22:36):
style. He kind of reminded meof like, ah, he was kind
of like a hassex slash Broder ifthey had a baby. Was he not?
Was he? I don't even mindto hear what you just said.
Was he not? I'm just saying, like their styles combine and that's that's
that's Bell four. Was he notthe most like, wow, geez no,
somebody would shoot me right away.It's hard to say that when you

(22:57):
have Dominic Cassock, right, becausehe's like the epitome of exciting, right,
But was Bell four not one ofthe most exciting goalies to watch?
Though? He was? He wasfun to watch ion. I obviously seen
him at the tail end of hiscareer with Toronto. I worked like college
hockey in North Dakota. I hadhim for a goalie when I went to

(23:18):
hockey camp. He was the goaliecoach at my hockey camp. Is a
youth Okay. Side note here,Mick David looks like he's about to go
to the press conference and requested trade. I haven't. Did he look so
mad right now? Oh? Ship? So who do you have that?
Is that all five? Who's yourfive? I got along on my top
five? You do, not?I do. He's the top five for

(23:42):
me, he's top five. Ipulled up, I told pull up this
website that polled Hockey Hall of Fame. I don't know if they're media or
what, but they're there. There'slike twenty three guys that rated the top

(24:03):
twenty goalies of all top six,top sixteen goalies of all time, and
not one of them, not oneof them had Luongo in the top five.
Yeah, they don't know hockey.Then a lot of that stretch then
and grand Fear, listen to thisstretch nine twenty nine, fifteen, nine

(24:23):
eighteen, nine thirty one, ninefourteen nine, twenty one, nine,
seventeen, nine, twenty nine,thirteen, nine, twenty eight, nine
nineteen, nine, seventeen, nine, twenty four, nine, twenty one,
nine twenty two. Okay, heplayed on a lot, a lot
of bad teams, a lot henever won. So it doesn't It doesn't
matter, Brad, it doesn't matter. But I but I could put I

(24:47):
could put I could puts off withthose same numbers. Just stop. I
could kippers off. May he couldkippers offs not even a Hall of Famer.
Just stop. I'm just saying hehas the same number, say percentage.
Listen, what's the difference, plake, he has the same save percentage?
Okay, so dude, don't tellme. Don't tell me that like
long Quist, I'm Marc Andre Flurryand all these guys are bears. No

(25:11):
way, there's no way. Everyone of these guys has has lun quists
rated higher. Marc Andre Fleury shouldactually be higher. He was. I
considered him being Fleury is probably sevenfor me. I mean, Chris Odswood
has better numbers than Roberto Lawonkle Okay, did you you wanted to go down

(25:33):
that route? We can just havethe same conversation with with as mart Ambroder
played in front of a really gooddefense. I'm sure you tried all those
years, but he made but hewon with it. The fact that Luongo
played on as many bad teams ashe did in Florida and in and in
his later days in Vancouver when theywere going through a rebuild, and he

(25:56):
still put up nine to twenty saveand he and he racked up the ins.
The come on, so explain tome why nobody else has him then,
dude, because how okay, howmany guys from the seventies and eighties
are on there? So you're sayingall not hardly any, to be honest,
hardly the top sixteen. Well,there's twenty five guys here. Name

(26:21):
but name somebody sixteen for me.I'm just I'm just curious. I will
I'll give you, I'll give you. I'll give you one of them.
Martin ruder One, Patrick Waugh,Dominic Cassick, Ken Dryden, Bernie Parant,
Tony Asked, Mosito, Ed belfour, Grant Fear, Marc Andre Fleury,
Billy Smith and mclendquist, Curtis,Joseph Carey, Price, Jonathan Quick,

(26:41):
Robertolongo, and Rogie Vashan. Iyou could argue Jonathan Quick over Overta
Instea. They've all got him onhere. He's so everything's based on Sally
Cops Doom. It's not at allbased on It's not at all based on
that. I'm just saying like he'snot even in most people's top sixteen.

(27:06):
It's it's insane, man, He'sone of the best of all time.
Okay, here's the highest. Well, here's one of the highest ones.
I'm thinking, I'm trying to gothrough the wholest here, here's the highest
one. Here's the guy that hasn'tthe highest. I'll read his sixteen Patrick
Waw, Martin Buder, Ken Dryden, grand fear Tony Esposito, Dominic Cassick,
Mark Arnerie Fleury, Ed Buffer,a lot of the same names,
Roberto Lawongo, Billy Smith, BernieParant, Curtis Joseph Chris osgood See,

(27:32):
Hendrick Lundquist, Mike Vernon, andMogi Vashan. This guy had Vernon in
there, so I trust him,not like the guy like dude, you're
naming a bunch of guys that they'replayed in the sixties and seventies. Hell
the hell one rut And and AndradFear and there's playing in the eighties.

(27:52):
I don't get to watch that shit. So how the hell are they gonna
be in my top all time?I can't. I can't do that.
Okay, even if you the nineties, I don't think he's a top five.
If you go from nineties, ifyou go from from when I was
born in nineteen nine, yeah,he is absolutely a top five. I
think that. I think you'd finda lot of people would argue with you
that he's not a Hall of Famer. Oh my god, enough enough his

(28:18):
international background, the wins, theshutouts, come on, I'm pretty sure
me and you could have teamed upfor a goal with Team Canada. Okay,
that's not true. Okay, theinternational honestly has a that's a that's
a that's a big deal for Hallof Fame. It's the Hockey Hall of
Fame, not the NHL Hall ofFame. Sure, I know how many

(28:41):
guys from Team Sweden that never playedin the NHL you see in the Hall
of Fame. There's a debate,man, Jesus God damnit. I think
I have family members of years thatagree with me on this. Me and
my dad had a twenty minute,heated debate on this on the phone.
We did. We did. Ithink it's one because he was like he's
like, uh, He's like,you're wrong. He's maybe top ten,

(29:03):
but you're wrong. I'm like,yeah, your dad is Your dad is
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right, let's go around be leaguehere. We got all kinds of things
to talk about, and then let'sstart with uh. Start off with some

(29:48):
arrests. Milan luch Each Uh.I don't even really know what to say.
Saturday night, he uh, helost the respect of a lot of
people. He was arrested, chargedwith domestic violence. I phoned some more
details out on it today. Hiswife chose to not press charges, but
the city of Boston and the statehas press charges because it was that severe

(30:12):
with choking and uh yeah, apparentlyapparently apparently it's like a two and a
half year prison sentence. I don'tthink that'll happen. No, it's not.
I'm not. I'm thing saying Ilike, in the state of Massachusetts,
that's what that is. Probably,Yeah, well you could there could
be more than that. I meanyou could. You could consider that attempt

(30:33):
to murder, could you don't?I mean, if you wanted to take
it to the top of that.No, I don't know any details.
I just don't either. I'm justsaying it's obviously it's obviously not good.
Apparently he was intoxicated and I don'tknow, but that doesn't give you the
right to do that. So neverlay a hand on a woman. And
yeah, it's that situation, isit is. It's not good. I

(30:55):
think it ends his career. Doyou do you agree or disagree? Depends
depends what happens with this, butyeah, happy if he gets suspended probably
Yeah, he's thirty five. Yeah, another arrest. I just want to
briefly, briefly touch on this becauseI couldn't believe it. The player that
hit Adam Johnson with his skate wasarrested by English police. I don't understand.

(31:22):
I mean, uh what, We'vealready went down this road, like,
I don't know how you have.I have mixed feelings about it.
I you do, I I saidon the pod when it happened. It's
like, I've never seen somebody deliberatelyhave his skate that high and then kick

(31:47):
him again when he hits his throat. I I've never seen that before.
I know the look is bad,and I agree, like you put that
in, you put that in slowmo. Looks awful, I know,
but you know what. Everything looksbad. I understand, but I look
at it in real speed and I'mthinking, Okay, I've played the game,
and you've played the game. Thinkabout that. You have to be
going down the ice, that guyhas to cut you off exactly the same

(32:08):
moment, and you have to flingthrough the air, Like how is that?
That's not that's for me though.I've been watching hockey a long time
and I've never seen a play likethat when you go to hit somebody,
and I like, I just like, he got bumped a little bit,
but he didn't get bumped enough forhis skate to go fifteen feet in the
air like that, but the playerwas thinking he's going to do a flying

(32:29):
leg kick backwards and hit the guyright in the neck. Like I just
I don't know, I don't It'slike I said, I don't know.
It's just so new and nobody,nobody's seen it. I don't know,
man, It's just such an oddsituation. Reports this week Kings are going
to play two preseason games in QuebecCity. Is this a prelude to the

(32:50):
future, not that the Kings wouldmove, but other team or what?
I'm no, no, no,no, it's it's just the NHL probably
talk to a bunch of teams andsaid, hey, like, would you
be okay with doing some training campin Quebec and playing a couple of games
at there? And the Kings dothat. NHL wants a team in Quebec.

(33:13):
I'm just I'm just saying, Soyou think the Kings went to the
Quebec and asked, I you knowwhat, I think? You want to
know what I think happened? Maybeyou're all of conspiracy whatever else going on.
I think the group that wants ateam in Quebec City, right,
there's a group that wants a teamand they've already been. Actually, when
the Vegas thing went down, theyQuebec was said that they're still you know,

(33:35):
they haven't lost their bid and they'restill in in in that status like
they have a facility for it.So here's what I think happened. I
think that group in Quebec City wentout to NHL team and said, Hey,
we're going to stroke you a check. Yeah, X amount of dollars
for you to play two preseason gamesin our barn so that we can fill
that barn, make it a rockand madhouse and show the league what we

(33:57):
can do. Yeah, no,it's not it's not a bad it's not
a bad pitch. I mean,it's not a bad pitch at all.
They got the facility for it.They're gonna have a lot, they're gonna
have a ton of exposure two games, and they're gonna they're gonna do training
camp there for parts of their camptoo. So yeah, it's it's good
exposure, definitely. I could Icould see that that being true for sure.

(34:21):
Yeah, I think it's a Ithink that's what's happening. Uh.
Columbus. The Columbus Blue Jackets arein h disarray here. Johnny Goodreau has
been benched and just not producing itall. Lining gets scratched the other night
they have a rookie coach. That'sI don't know what. How would you

(34:42):
describe that situation? It's how manyyears have we been doing this podcast?
Well? Is this sei season seven? This is season seven? Yes?
Do you have the fact that it'slike where it goes back in time?
You want to go back in timeseven years? Remember that one day?
I think it was a brisk mine, not North Dakota. We are sitting

(35:06):
at the Carprick garage and you arguethat you were blue in that Austin Matthews
is not a better cool scorer thanPatrick Lyoney. What is happening with your
guy Patrick? Right now? Ithink Patrick Leoney could be as good of
a goal scorer if he tried.I don't think I honestly, I don't
think there it is. You justlove to finish my statement here. I

(35:28):
don't think Patrick Loney likes playing hockey. I don't know what the hell Patrick
Leoney likes about anything in life,because I haven't seen him smile in three
years. I haven't Columbus skimna break, Oh, give me a break.
There's a lot of players that havethrived and been loved Columbus. No,
I'm just joking. But this guyjust like he got injured or whatever,

(35:49):
and he just I don't know,he's just a lot the same. He
doesn't look happy. He doesn't likeplaane hockey. I don't. I don't
think he likes playing hockey. Yeah, I know, I don't. I
don't think he likes. But Iknow, I don't know the Pascal Vincent,
this rookie coach is pressing the rightbuttons with a lot of their young
players, or a lot of theirplayers as a whole. I don't.
I don't know. I'm interested tosee how that all all plays out.

(36:13):
Well. Did you hear his pressconference? Yeah? He said, he
Kim. I know I'm not goingto say his exact words, but he
said it's tough to top it,wasn't it. He said it was not
hard to call to make. Iwas like, damn, I don't know.
Last week general managers meetings, theytouched on changing three on three overtime

(36:37):
if they instituted a shot clock,or I will if they do the shot
clock, I will turn off overtime. I will not watch over time.
They won't what the hell? Whatdo you what are you gonna do?
Oh? If if a team regroupstwice, you blow the whistle and you
do a face off? Like,stop? Is it annoying? How where
it's gotten to from how exciting itwas when it first got into Now it's

(37:00):
all about pop possession and tiring theteam out and creating two on ones.
Yeah, it's it's it's different,But like creating a shot clock. This
isn't the NBA. This is notthe NBA. No, the the over
and back thing seems to make alittle more sense to me, Like,
what are you gonna do? Though, You're just gonna blow the whistle and

(37:21):
do a face off? But comeon, once the once, the once
the other team if you once youenter the blue line, you can't exit
with it the other team in case, So what happens if you do?
Though? What are you gonna do? What's the rule at the other end?
I can't see. I don't thinkthe PA will go for that.

(37:42):
The PA doesn't have a say inthat rule. Excuse me, they don't
have a say in that rule.So you think do you think the NHL
can just make up rules without theplayer's approval of the bullshit. There's certain
there's certain things that there's certain thingsthey get to say on and there's certain
things they don't get a say ingame rules like hooking and slashing. I

(38:02):
don't think they get to say inthat at all. Probably not, But
a rule like that, I thinkthe players would have to say. I
don't know, we're just gonna keepliving with the boring three on three overtime.
But there's no excitement. It's notlike that all the time. Sometimes
it's exciting. I think you expandedto ten minutes that forces the third liners

(38:25):
to have to play, and thatyou don't even need to go ten minutes,
you need to go seven minutes.How about we just ended in a
tie. No no, no,no, no, no no, we
do not need to go back tothree two one please, no are two
to one? Oh no yeah,no no. Honestly, just get rid

(38:47):
of the loser point. Honestly,two points are a wins or points for
a loss. Coaches will just milkit out and take their chances in the
shootout. They will, So it'sa coin flip. Then it's a coin
flip. All right, let's getrolling here. Three questions. It's time

(39:08):
with three questions. Last week,Blake answered asked three questions. This week,
it is my turn. Question numberone, how much is Elias Peterson
going to cost the Canucks? Ohboy, if you had asked me last

(39:30):
year, I would have said tenplus. And if you ask me now,
I think he's probabing at twelve.I think he says thirteen to five.
They have to do it. Yeah, honestly, you give Petterson a
blank check. I got no choice. He's not been unbelievable this year.

(39:52):
He's getting better every year. Yeah, it's been good. Question number two
is John Klingberg the next lt IR? No, he's already on there.
He's already on robot Island. Basicallylike, oh my god. The
fact that the leaves keep getting awayat this is a joke. It's not
just the leafs. Yeah, Abria. Who started it though? Who started

(40:15):
it? Robta Island, Tampa Baykind of no, No, this this
dates back to about twenty thirteen withthe old maple leafs, with old Robota
Island. So yeah, apparently hewas a healthy scratch. Now he's hurt.
Now he's out long term. It'slike, oh my god, Ben,
question, Well, when's a playergoing to stand up with that in

(40:37):
the pi A going to stand upwith that. Good question, That's what
I want to know. Question numberthree, if they had been to Oithers
missed the playoffs, what will theyhave? What will they do next?
If Whatton Oilers missed the playoffs?I think, man, that's that is

(41:00):
a loaded question. That is aloaded question because how many years is McDavid
just gonna just deal with this.I'm gonna throw at something. I told
this. I saw a tweet fromRob Rossy. He said McDavid is one
of the most gifted players in thehistory of hockey. Yeah, I agree,

(41:22):
or one in Boston. Gretzky wonin Edmonton, Lemiu and Crosby won
in Pittsburgh. Iierman won in Detroit, Ovechkin won in Washington. McDavid must
win at Edmonton. That's his legacyand it's on the line. Yeah,
I agree. I agree with onehundred percent that he has to He has
to win in Edmonton for sure.I agree. Yeah. Listener, question

(41:43):
Matthew Gregory asks should the NFL orshould be good? Yeah? Now,
should the NHL follow suit with anin season tournament like the No no God,
no no, no, no disrespectwhat's his guys, DA, Mike
Gregory, Matthew Gregory. Nice respect, that's just a bad question. I

(42:07):
don't know it's the I just thinkit's like the colored courts. It looks
silly, it looks silly. Ithink this is so NBA. I think
it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I agree, that's tough. That's
so true. All right, Occyfans. Next week, another one of
my favorite episodes is we take asnapshot of American Thanksgiving standings and we're going

(42:30):
to discuss the changes that we thinkwill happen from now until the end of
the season. To break down whowe think will be able to push to
get into a playoff spot, whosetime has passed, and we'll take a
look at our predictions. See howour predictions are doing at this first playoff
marker point of the season. Again, a reminder as we head to the

(42:51):
end of November, it is yourtime of year to help. It's very
important time to talk to fans.Answer the month. It impacts all of
us in every in It affects allof us in some way, shape or
form. Get on over. Thelink is in the podcast Stummach information.
But all he fault by doing animpossible hole. Click on that link.
It is super super easy to dofor our American listeners. Enjoy your holiday

(43:15):
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dropping next Tuesday, and enjoy thisweek's hockey action. We're back next Monday
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(43:36):
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