THE DEBATE - Hockey Podcast – Episode 238 – WANTED: NHL Caliber Goalies - THE DEBATE - Hockey Podcast

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Today it is coming for the DebateHunor podcast. I am the host of
the show, Robert going alongside myco host Blake Triars Doppy New Year and
quoting us on at New Year's Day. Did you do anything yesterday? Usual?
Nope, watch hockey did Yeah.I didn't really do much any either.

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I had to be up. I'dbe up at four thirty to work,
uh work at six this morning,so I didn't do much last night
either, So I just kind ofhung out. But uh, Terriers played
today at two. Uh when twoin a row gets Melville coming out of
the Christmas break, so that's good. Hopefully, uh get some game strinks

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and wins together and get moving inthe right direction. I am ready for
the holiday season to be over.Yeah, we'll get me wrong. I
love spending Christmas with my family anddoing all that, but then having New
Year's a week later, just Idon't know, like we need to get
back to normal living. Yeah,well I actually, Uh, I just

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started back at the gym yesterday.Today today I went back to the gym,
first time for three weeks since myfoot, So I was pretty happy
about that. And uh, yeah, it's gonna be nice to get back
into routine tomorrow because the last tothe last three days I've had to work
at six am, so it's kindof been a kind of tough on the

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old routine. But hopefully back tonormal tomorrow. World Juniors are in full
swing and I'm still struggling for excitementlevel. I don't know why. I
Well, here's the thing, man, here's the thing. They're too early.
If you're looking to like, didyou see the geeky hit. Yeah,

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he left his feet. He didnot leave his feet. He didn't
even was even skating, he waseven striding. He stopped skating. You're
gonna throw the whole Canada thing,like Canada is a place. No,
I'm not. I'm not even I'mnot even gonna I'm not even gonna talk
about that. They're there, theydo and the four and the guy's five

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foot eleven. Yeah, there's gonnabe there's gonna be some contact. His
his arms went up into the airbecause he's so big. No, he
flew into him and his arms wentup like this. Okay, listen,
okay, So what about the headon what about the head on on back?
Drilled in the numbers from behind?No, Penley, was that the

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one where he's going down the sideboardand he turned. Doesn't matter. You
can't turn, Blake. You stillcan't hit a guy in the numbers.
What have we got? Stop?So so wait a second. So when
I go to check you and I'malready started my motion to check and you
turn, then that's my fault.I don't. I would turn on every

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single check, right, I couldevery player kicked out of the game every
time, every time, tell mecheck turn still dirty. Here's the problem.
Here's the problem. Canada is notvery good. I told you this.
I told you they're probably not gonnawin a metal I already told you
this. Listen to me, Canadais not very good. And now instead

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of focusing on why we're not verygood, we're gonna blame the officials on
the I listen, I haven't talkedto I haven't watched enough World Juniors this
year to do that, so Ican't comment. You were just doing why.
It's just those are the two hitsthat I saw. One was appendently
and one was a five. Sohow about the German hit? Then?

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I don't know. Okay, theexact same hit the here's here's the thing,
the exact same HND that gets stuckin the mouth, and you as
player, a US player hit aswede in the pre tournament game, the
exact same thing as Morgan Geeky orcar geeky and there was no penalley,

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not even one. So why isthat a five and ones? The ones
not a penalty does make sense?Oh so you are so you are complaining
about the rest. No, I'mjust sad. It doesn't make sense to
me. I was one of isone of five in the game and the
other, isn't it? I justI'm it goes back to what I just
said two minutes ago, and yousaid, no, it's I'm not blaming

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the refs. But now you everythingyou've said has been I asked you why
they ask you a question like Icould do that with every call in the
NHL, Right, you could dothat every night with cause you could?
You could do that. No,not at all. It isn't very good.
I uh, it's annoying to you. Becau isn't that tournament? Honestly,

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this is not This is not mytournament. No, this is Canada's
tournament because nobody in the country caresabout it like Canada. Listen, I
really did like I was saying,where were where were we talking about this
before Christmas? I've I've so muchinterest in the World Juniors the last three
four years. It's hard to haveinterest when Russia is not in it.

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It's hard to have interest when it'sat eight o'clock in the morning. That's
the reason. If this was inSaskatoon and Russia was in it, we'd
you'd you'd be all on board.And that's good and we should be on
board because it's good hockey. Yeah, it's tough when Russia's not in it,
and that problem is not gonna fixitself anytime soon, and it's just

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it's lost its luster and it makesit damn hard when it's at eight o'clock
in the morning. Yeah, that'swhat it is. Marc Andre Fleury gets
his one thousandth game, one thousandgames last night. Did you see they
had them do go out like itwas a rookie skate. I thought that
was kind of I don't know whatye did you see? He were he

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practiced with a cane after Filino calledhim fifty years old. He's such a
prankster man, like he's he's oneof the guys, like you know,
I like him. I just wishhe had a better agent. Can you
go a day without talking about Alanwalsh Man. You're sure he's not paying
the podcast? Oh my god,he's just an arrogant ass. I hate.

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I don't know. Lots of sportsto watch over the holidays. I
saw a graphic and put out bythe Nielsen Report, which is kind of
what judges television viewing in the USand the average US viewership per game.
The NFL was far and away aheadof everybody else, is ahead of baseball,

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a major league baseball, and thatdoes actually does not surprise me.
Eh it did to me because ofthe changes that baseball made to speed up
their game by half an hour.Like most people have lives, they don't

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have time to watch a one hundredand nine. No, I know,
but I don't. It'll never baseYou can still throw the baseball game on
though, and leave and come back, and you still get those hours.
Who turns their TV on and thenleaves Well, I mean, like with
baseball, that's the sport you coulddo it leave your house because it's boring,

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not leave your house, like justdo what things in the background with
it on. I completely agree,but it's that boring. That tells you
something about it right there. It'snot boring. It's not how many times
though, in the middle of thenext game and you're like, you know,
I think I'm gonna go fold laundrydownstairs and then I'll come back up
and watch. Now, you don'tdo that because it's exciting. No baseball,

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you could do that and you wouldn'tmiss shit unless they're unless they're up
like six one, then all whatever. But yeah, what you said right
there explains why baseball needs to figurethis out just a little bit more.
They're they're on the right track.They're they're taking strides. You know,
they're taking strides. I'm just afraidI won't get there until twenty forty.

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Yeah, unfortunately, And I'm stillI still love baseball. I love baseball.
But yeah, i'd fix I'd makeit better. Honest episode, we're
going to talk about wanted NHL calibergoalies. What's going on in this league?
Why have so many goalies self destructed? We're going to talk about that.
Then we'll go around the league,talk a little Winter Classic, the

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weirdest empty netter I've ever seen,Ottawa again, Russian issues, bear signs,
and I want to find out whatPeterson's going to get paid. Get

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my blood. Don't be getting myblood going with that baseless rumor. Man.
Let's talk goalies, and I donot remember a time when there's been
so many, so much turmoil onteams, good hockey teams struggling to get
good goaltending. When you look atthe list, Edmonton, Toronto, Carolina,

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New Jersey and that's not a goodteam. Though, are good teams
that are, like, yeah,like playoff like serious, serious playoff contenders.
That's what I said. Their goaltendingis in disarray. So let's talk
about each of the teams and kindof go through, you know where we

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see it playing out right now?In Edmonton, the Oilers are are rocket
and roll and they've been really reallygood lately, but their goaltending still isn't
hot. Would you, I'd stillsay it's it's a huge, huge,
huge problem area. Kelvin Pickard's givinghim a couple of good starts, Skinner's
giving them a couple of good starts. Campbell is still a backup in the

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AHL, and I don't see thisteam winning a cup with Skinner or Pickard.
That's that's uh, that's their onlyoptions because, like I said,
unless you trade a guy like RidanNews and Hopkins, there's no there's no
wiggle space or or roster flexibility withinthat roter to do anything. You don't

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got cast space. All the guysthat you could move have no move clauses.
And you're kind of you kind ofhandcuffed yourself here. I mean,
I agree you signed Campbell to thatbig deal, you signed Skinner to a
two year bridge deal. Maybe youcall up Olivia Rodrigue, that kid,
give him a start and see whatyou got there. I don't know,

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Like I I, I think you'rekind of handcuffed here. You're gonna have
to just write it out with Skinner. I think you're probably right. I
mean, I love your nugent HopkinsHopkins spot from about a month ago.
But yeah, I think he hasa no move clause? Does he not?
I have to look, but Iwould have to look too, like
get the cheap deal like four years. But I mean he's not going to

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ever say yeah, trade me,right, So so you're right, they're
they're completely handcuffed. Uh. IsSkinner like capable of getting them through it?
I mean maybe? But you knowwhat, when the playoffs, get
going. It's hard to you,right, he has a move, right?
Yeah? Yeah, listen, listen. Okay, the Oilers right now

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as we speak today, they're winners. They're one point. No, there
are three points out of a playoffspot. What forty is the wild card?
Sorry? Sorry Snart, Sorry Iwas looking at Seattle. Yeah,
three points sorry, three points out, three points out of a playoff spot?

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Like could it could Skinner take themto the playoffs? Sure? But
man, like I think, canI trust Skinner to win me sixteen games
in the postseason? Probably not.This is the game I do believe Adverton
gets in. I mean, thewinners at the last five. But they're
they're really good lately, but they'vehad to outscore their opponents, and that's
tougher to do in the postseason,right man, it's so hard to you

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gotta win two one games in theplayoffs. You you can't. You know
how hard it is to win playingpostseason hockey, winning six four every night?
It's impossible. Yep, it's toomuch. Eventually, eventually your goalie's
got to still you some games.Yeah, winning one nothing or two to
one or whatever. It's just nothappening. But the Oilers are. The

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Oilers are scoring that will right now, and I mean all the power to
them that that's what everybody expected themto do. We both picked him to
go to the Stanley Cup and Ipicked him to win, so we both
got high, I high expectations forthis team. They've won sixteen of twenty
one and they've they've barely gained anyground for that, which is the craziest

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part, Like it just it justgoes to show you, man that if
you get off to a bad start, it's like a death sentence. It
really is, and honestly, reallyreally hard. I ran a stat that
said, the Oilers have won sixteenof their last twenty one games and they've
only gained three three points on theCanucks. Got's insane. They got's insane.

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Yeah, but you also got tolook that in the last ten Vancouver's
got points in nine, right.But I'm just I'm just saying, like,
for to win sixteen and twenty one, you only gain three points,
I'd be like, damn, that'skind of tough. Quite honestly, really,
the only teams they're trying to catchright now are Arizon on a Nashville
LA in Vegas, yeah, because, uh maybe in Vegas. I mean

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they're probably just trying to catch.They're trying to just right now that I'm
sure focus is a wild card Icatching Vegas or Vancouver. They're twelve points
behind. I don't see that.There's a lot of hockey left though.
I mean I don't see it either. I highly doubt it, but I
mean there is still a long runwaysstill. I had. So they got

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a couple of games in hand,they got four in hand on Vegas.
I guess maybe, I don't know, that's a lot. That's a lot
of points. I can see himgetting into a divisional spot, not a
cop divisional spot, but I couldseem into a divisional spot. But they
are going to have to get goodgold tem from Skinner or Picker or someone.

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One of those two is gonna haveto get home. Well, Skinner
went on. Skinner went on andwon eight straight starts, so that that
was kind of started that and thenhe kind of dipped a little bit to
car won a couple of games thatSkinner's kind of kind of on a roll
a little bit it again. Butyeah, they got to get that Vigordo
big time onto Toronto, where iteven gets it even gets worse. Joseph

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Wall goes down with an injury.Hempsen off this week gets placed on waivers.
The coach says, stakes get magnifiedwhen you don't get saves. He's
right, yeah, I said,Okay, he says that, but goes
and goes and scratches David Kampf whostarted three hundred and twenty six, And
but yeah, that accountability is gonnareally show the Toronto may beleefs scratching a

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fourth line center. What why notsend a message and put a guy like
Mitch Marner up in the press boxfor some accountability. The guy's been that
guy's made a lot of mistakes,a lot of mistakes. Or send him
a couple of shifts. There's noaccountability there zero. Don't you think That's
been the problem in Toronto for yearsis the fact that they don't like they

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don't dive into the root of theof the problem. No, No,
they just they kick the can downroad, is what they do. They
just fluff it over and hope itgoes away. They just fluff it over
and I don't know, you know, he got it's like, oh the
we don't play very good defensive forevergoalie. But we're gonna put Samsung on
waivers and uh maybe guys game backerin the AHL. It's like, and

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now they've called up Dennis Hildebye.Well that, I mean, that's a
tall task to ask of a fourthround draft pick to just step right in.
And how is he doing to theMarleys? Do you know? He's
good? Yeah, he's in fifteenappearances, two point two goals against the
average point nine to one nine savepercentage, so he's been good. And

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he's huge, he's like six sevennine, Yeah, yeah, I mean
it never hurts. It never hurtsto see what you got in the minor
leagues. It never ever hurts.Well, you know, I hate,
like I just said, with Edmonton, and I don't know if it's fair
to throw him into this situation,especially in that market. But right now,
I don't know that you have anyYou don't have any other No,

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you don't have any other option.Martin Jones kind of has given you some
good goaltending, so you gotta yougotta take and run with that as long
as you can, as long asthat lasts, right, I mean,
he's not old Martin Jones, wherehe was taking Salz to the Cup Final.
He's not that guy, but he'sstill a capable of NHL goaltender that
can, that can, that iscapable of stealing, not stealing some games,

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but but taking the fair show sharea load of starts. I thought
he won't. We both said,we've talked about them multiple times last year.
He surprised both of us. Wasvery in Seattle. Yeah, this
one is where it really gets interesting. The Carolina Hurricanes. Frederick Anderson's still
out, they're not getting the goaltendingthat they need. Andti Randa was on

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waivers cleared, he's back on theroster and they have this rookie quick check
off and right now Carolina is ina playoff spot, not safely in a
playoff spot, but in a playoffspot. But this team, I don't
know. There's six one and three, and like I picked these guys to

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win the Cup, like I thought, they have all the dynamics, but
this goltending I don't. I don'tthink this goaltending is gonna hold up in
the postseason. Just like both meand you felt that about Edmonton. This
is a team though, that Ifeel like has a little bit I don't
know. I don't know. They'vegot to figure something out too, and
I'm concerned on this one. Thebiggest thing that they got to do is

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just hope and pray that Freddie Andersongets back as soon as possible. That's
their only option. That is theironly option here. I think he's I
think he just started to resume skating. I want to say, I read
that he just started resuming skating.So that's something to keep an eye on.
I mean, blood clots are sotricky, Like you, you just

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there's just really no timeline for that. So I hope that ye, I
hope that he comes back soon becausethey need him and he's fun to watch
and Carolina is a good team whenhe's on his game. And yeah,
it's unfortunate for sure. They havethree point two in current cap space.

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Deadline cap space projected is eight pointthree, so there is room there.
I don't know if it moves outthere. Like Gibson, well, let's
talk about let's talk about one moreteam and then let's talk about some of
the guys that could go out there. New Jersey is another one. The
team currently sits outside of a playoffspot by just one point only, but

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they're running with Vanachek, who struggledin Nico DAEs And that's another one where
you point, you go, Okay, I like this New Jersey team.
I think this New Jersey team iscapable, but they're spottering there five to
four and one in their last ten. They're not getting the goaltending they need,
quite as we're not getting the scoringthey need really either. But a
team that we all thought was goingto be a good team this year,

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but Golden seems to be, youknow, a struggle point for this team
too well. I mean, andyou got a guy like uh kier Schmid
who had some headlines and games inthe playoffs last year, and he's he
hasn't been very good either, Soyeah, it hasn't gone according to plan.
Vanichek has been He's been pretty consistentin the last couple of years,

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even gating back to his last yearwith with the Capitals and then last year
with with New Jersey. So that'sunfortunate too. I mean, you go,
man, you just never know ifgoaltender's mad. That's it. It
just it just pays so good tohave such a good goaltender. Man,
Like do you remember though a yearwere like guys of like self destructed,

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like Campbell and Samson Off and likeyou remember a year, don't. I
can't remember this. Many goaldies likethat just had a track record of being
good and they're just all bad.I don't know. I haven't seen it
in a long time. I haven'teither. And like SAMSONA, I've had
a nine almost a nine to seventeensay percent just here, and this year

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he's got the worst angel sip percentengine angel history. It's like he can't
help. Fuck. Yeah, Ifeel bad if you're Keith. If you're
Keith, you can't put that guyin the net. Well no, but
then if you do, you gotto build them up to you, like
you can't tear him down and tearhim down again, Like well, okay,

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eventually here you're you're getting paid tostop the puck. You can't hold
the guy's hand, No, youjust don't play them then, right,
Oh, well then he's then he'swaisting cap space and you gotta send him
down and get some cap space.Well that's what they've done, right,
That's what I'm saying. Like youevent like you can only go to the
well so many times before you justgotta say, hey man, like,

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listen, we're sending you down.Yeah, right, So what's the solution?
Who has goalies like Montreal they haveJake Allen well I I talked about
uh last week or two weeks ago, like that, maybe somebody takes a
chance on like uh, on aMedckenzie Blackwood who's on a really poor team

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right now and he's playing well,he's playing well for for for the hand
he got dealt. Maybe some well, I mean, Calgary is an obvious
option, Dan Vadar or mark Strom, like that's that's a some intriguing options.
I've heard a ton of talk ofmark Strom to New Jersey. Do
you even think that Mark mark Stromwould do that? I think so.

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But why wouldn't he Because he signedin Calgary and he likes it in Calgary.
Yeah, but he's been there,what three this is his fourth year?
No, he signed in twenty hesigned the shortened season. Yeah,
this his fourth year. This isas four as six. So I don't

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know. Maybe he looked Sat andsays like, maybe I can go here
and have an opportunity to do somethingspecial in New Jersey. I don't know.
I don't know. They'd have toget creative, probably retain some money
a little bit. And I'm notsure, but everybody keeps plaining like Gibson,
and for some reason, I justdon't see Gibson going. I believe

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he's that no move cause I believeI believe they did. His wife just
had a baby. Yeah, Idon't know, Like I just to me,
I just feel like if he wasgonna have been traded, he would
have been traded last year the yearbefore, right, Yeah, I would
agree. And Adakovich from Pittsburgh isanother one that got three goalies there,
so maybe that's something Jake Allen,like you mentioned, that will probably be

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the most biggest name that will probablyget moved. Maybe Anton Forrestburg. Maybe
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. On the streets is that teams our
general managers want a king's ransom forgoalies right now? Oh why wouldn't you?
It's so high and demand verse teamsright now, I'm with you.

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You're telling me, you're telling mea team of like my tribe, Like,
yeah, I'll help out the InmantonOilers and trade them. Jake Allen,
that Jets, well, I meanthey'll trade them, but they're gonna
want mine. They're gonna want something. The return is gonna be good,
right now. Yeah, I thinkas we get to deadline that returns will
come down. Yeah yeah, yeah. They always start high and you just

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work your way lower. Yep.That's it is the way it is that
I just I look at this seasonand I just I'm in shock by the
amount of just it surprises me though, how the struggles that there has been
this year for goalies just literally fallingoff, I mean just falling off and

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just they literally can't stop the puckand it's it's crazy. Yeah, no,
I don't. I'm running out ofwords to answer these questions, like
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about Winter Classic today. I didnot really I watch parts of it.

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I was at a family event andI just watched parts of it, and
you know what, quite honestly,everything I saw was awful to me,
it looked like it looked like itlooked like a cool set up there,
though, Why put white plastic down? We know it's not snow right,
What are you trying to do?Yeah, I like I said, I

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didn't. I didn't really see muchthat the Terriers played. The Terriers played
at two o'clock this afternoon, soI didn't see much at all. But
I mean, it is pretty coolthat I got a thirty five shutout,
first shutout in Winter Classic history.That's pretty cool. Shut out a team
like Vegas too, that's awesome.Good for him. It was a boying
game. Joeid the court, thirtyfive stave shuttle. It's good. He's

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been good. He's been good lately. He's got a five in his last
I think it's his last thirteen starts. He's got a nine to five four
save. He's been really good forthem well ever since Grubauer got hurt.
They needed somebody to step in theshoes, and he's been good. So
last night I didn't see this live. When I got home. We're talking

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about two things that we're talking abouttwo things that happened last night. We're
talking about the Calgary incident. Tooafter that, because that was bullshit.
The Calgary incident, Yeah, we'lltalk about that later. We're talking about
we're talking about the Montreal right now, we'll tell me the Calgary one.
I don't even know what you're talkingabout. How Buddy gets hit hit square
in between the eyes as the strapcomes off and he takes his helmet off

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because the reft wouldn't blow whistle onthe game him a delay game. That's
bullshit. He yanked his helmet offwith his strap is off. The strap's
off, that's the dude. Theref, the ref's job is to blow
the whistle down when the goaltender's helmetis loose. That is absolute, complete
bullshit. It's bull You read therule book, dude. The helmet is

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off if so so if that going, if that goal helmet comes off and
the red and that guy takes hisslaps and he gets hit in the head,
what then? What have you readthe Have you read the rule book?
Listen, man, The reff didn'tdo his job. The ref is
supposed to protect the players. Thatis his job, and he didn't do
that within the rule book, Blake, you have to read the rule book.

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Yeah, I'll go read it again. But that's bullshit. You need
to read the rule book. Hepicked, he took his mask. Okay,
then, so next time we askwhat someone gets a breakaway, guys
just gonna throw his mask off.No, dude, the strap is off.
Obviously, he's not gonna throw itoff if it's not off. Have
you read the rule book? Youneed to go read. The helmet is

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loose, and you probably whistle.No, there's nothing in the rule book
that says anything about a loose helmet. Okay, all right, whenever our
goalie gets hit and the strap isoff, the whistle he usually goes nine
times out of ten. But Iguess not that one. No, okay,
it didn't change the game at all. Anyways, it didn't change the

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game. They scored in the powerplay make a three one. What are
you talking about? What are yousaying? I'm saying that the official called
the rule book. If you thinkthe rules should be changed, that's a
different argument. But to me,you should be protecting players. That's just
me though. When we is hein danger, dude, you having a

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loose helmet? The puck was goingout of the zone. When was he
in danger? Shooting? No onewas shooting between the eyes and and he's
and he's going like this, hey, my helmet's loose, and the rets
looking right on and didn't do anything. Wait a minute, he never once
raised his arm. Watch the Okay, he never did. He just the

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second came loose. He yanked hiselement or pulled it off with his and
okay, all right, okay,now watch this. This is an empty
netter and it is the weirdest emptynetter that I have ever seen. Yeap
when you got video of this one. So we are positive posit pose it
So okay, well we will rewind. What what is the question that you

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have? Okay, so there isa rule in the rule book. Okay,
if we want to get all technicalhere on me. What is the
rule? You remember the rule ofthe intent to blow the whistle? Remember
that where was there an intent toblow a whistle? His hand is right
up to his mouth like he's readyto blow the whistle. There isn't That

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doesn't mean that doesn't constitute intent.You can't tell me his brain hit play.
Goalie saves the shot. Hey,look it's right up to there.
And then he's like, uh no, we're gonna let him play. He
didn't blow the whistle for a reasonbecause the goalie dropped the puck right to

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the player right next to him,and then Tampa Bay was giving no pressure
to him. I don't know.It's one of the weirdest It's one of
the weirdest goals that I've ever seen. It is one of the weirdest goals
I've ever seen. I agree,But there's nothing I heard the song.
I mean, I I don't knowwhere where the issue is though. I

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mean you can. I mean,there's definitely an argument if your Tampa Bay.
But I don't know. I mean, he never blew the whistle and
why would you stop that. It'sit's all on Tampa Bay. You don't
stop playing. You're taught in likeyeah, yeah, and there was no
whistle, So I don't know.It's it's crazy. It's uh, I

(31:22):
don't know. I it's a it'sa crazy one. It is definitely a
crazy one. One we probably willnever ever ever see again. Yeah probably
not uh and uh Ottawa this teamall right now, they officially announced that
Staos is the GM and I'm justlike, I don't know what's gonna happen

(31:48):
with this team. I expected themto be so much better. I didn't
expect all this turmoil in the inthe main office. I I don't know,
is this a new ownership thing?What? What? What is explanation
on this? They're trying to providesome stability in the management, which is
a good step one into training around. You can't go you can't go forward

(32:13):
with no GM and no president ofhockey ops. And it's like he shouldn't
look at example, look at Vancouverlast year, Like look at the disaster
that there was when they had nowhen they had a coach that was no
nobody wanted and YadA, YadA,YadA, and there was just no structure

(32:34):
from there was no synergy anywhere onthat team last year. And now you
know, you give the team somestability and say like this is stals his
team and they brought in Pooling andyou know you're bringing Alfredson on the bench,
you bring in a very respected guyand Jacques Martan. I don't know,
it's I completely agree, But howcome when DJ Smith got fired,

(32:57):
Stales wasn't named right then? Why? Why why wait weeks or a week
inf or whatever. I just Ididn't understand the timing. I understand why,
and I think it's great. Imean, I think it's going to
be good for the organization. Ijust didn't understand, like the hell they
knew this was going to happen.It wasn't like they're just like, hey,
you know what, I got agood idea. You know, the
timing was just a little bit jacked, right, speaking of things that are

(33:22):
jacked. And the only reason I'mbringing this up is because I wonder how
it'll affect the entry draft. Wetalked earlier about how we hate that Russia's
not in the World Juniors or inthe best on best, and both me
and you, I think agree thatwe feel that that's a pretty important,
important cog to create the rivalries,right, and now Russian the president or

(33:42):
leader, Vladimir Putin, is sayingthat he's not letting young players come over
anymore. And I'm interested to seenumber one, if that stays the course,
and number two, how much that'sgoing to deter teams from drafting Russian
players. Well, it's probably gonnadeter a lot. I mean, unless

(34:05):
you're gonna start to see you guysfleeing over here and playing in the chl
and and going the import drove draft. I mean scary. I would be
scary for them to flee over here. Now, I'm just I'm just saying,
like, that's what's your what's yourother option? There's no other option.
You want to come playing in NorthAmerica, They're not gonna let you
go. You got no choice.I agree. I agree. It's it's

(34:29):
too bad. It's it's it's it'sreally too bad. Yeah, I don't
know. Uh. Ethan Bear signstwo years with the Washington Capitol's four point
one two five. I thought thatwas a little high. Did you think
that was high? I didn't thinkhe was going to get a multi year
deal. I think he's coming offa pretty serious shoulder injury. That was

(34:52):
a little I mean, he's agood defenseman, but he was a he's
a five to six, right,would you agree or disagree? H Uh?
I think he's a four or fiveguy. I think he could play
some top four minutes. He looked. He played pretty well in Vankoup with
Kun Hughes last year. He's ahe's a capable NHL defenseman. Two point

(35:15):
one two five. It's not it'snot crazy steep, but I thought it
would have been a one year dealfor the rest this year, kind of
like a test drive type thing andsee what you got now you're lockdown.
I thought it was interesting what hesaid though. He said that he went
to the Washington Capitals because they havegreat leadership, and he says, I

(35:36):
honestly felt like they cared a lotand they wanted me here instead of needing
me. Sounds like us does Thatsounded like a little shot at the old
Vancouver Canucks. Well, I thinkwhat he what he maybe maybe, but
it also probably was a shot atlike, hey, I'm tired of being
a stop gap for wah wanting andneeding. Could be, uh, they

(36:00):
need they need me at two pointone five, but the Canucks want me
at nine hundred thousand, So likethat could be. That could be something
you look at too, like,hey, yeah the Caducks. The Caducks
want me, Hey they need me, but we can only give you nine
hundred grad So taken leave it.So I don't know. Valid point.

(36:24):
Everything has been roses in Vancouver thisyear and continues to be as as we
talked about on last show. Imean, they are rolling and it doesn't
look like it's it's stopping thirty sevenminutes here and Brad Baru is attempting to
get my blood pressure through the roof. No, I'm actually not, because
I think it's crazy right now tobe talking about this myself. But this

(36:45):
week there was some rumors floating around, and yes, I'm calling them rumors
because I don't believe there's any validityto them. That person's asking for the
world. He wants ninety million dollarsan average eleven point twenty five, which
I don't know he might be.The Vancouver is gonna give that guy a
blank check, is what they're gonnabe. They probably would pay that,

(37:07):
wouldn't you. They're getting there.If Peterson asked for thirteen million dollars,
they're gonna give him thirteen million dollars. They're not dumb, listen. But
I love the fact. I lovethe fact that the rumor goes, yeah,
Peterson, look uh, he mightwell make he might find his way
to Chicago and play the dart Andthen he goes William Nelander two, so

(37:30):
you go to keep an eye onbuddy. Like really, it's just such
a baseless rumor. Like, firstof all, well, number one a
team for those three players. Numbertwo, I mean, I'm I guess
asking more on this one is weknow what the cap is, and we
know how you have to use thecap smartly. And if you're gonna pay

(37:52):
let's say, let's say it iseleven point two five. Right. Do
you think how does that hinder theCanucks moving forward? Word to keeping this
core? Well, I told you, I told you this, that I
told you that, I told youthis last week. The team's gonna be
hard to keep together. I toldyou this already. You got to pay
Heronic next year. You got topay Hughes next year. Our pardon me,

(38:14):
Peterson, and yeah, that's Heronicsare looking at a six to seven
and a half million dollar contract thatyou're looking at Peterson making eight years anywhere
from ten million dollars to thirteen milliondollars. That's just the reality. Those
players are probably gonna cost you twentymillion bucks eight seventeen to twenty mil.

(38:38):
Do you think there's any chance heleaves? I don't want to say I
don't want to say never, becauseI I honestly didn't think Matthew Kachuk was
gonna leave. Oh, I agree, I don't think I think you'd be
I think you'd be stupid to saynever. But I think the percentage would
be pretty low. I think helikes it in Vancouver. They're finally winning

(38:58):
in Vancouver for the time in hiscareer. Yeah. I think he'd be
pretty silly to leave if they werea muddling team out of the playoffs.
Yeah, like if they like,if they were where Chicago was right now,
I'd be like, yeah, Icould definitely see this. He's put
up with this ship for seven years. Yeah, he could leave. But

(39:19):
now you're like, you're second inthe NHL, finally figuring it out.
I don't know. I agree,it's what I saw and I've am like
this. This is such click baitbullshit, man, this is this is
just media. Yeah, all right, let's get on and head on over
to three questions. It's time forthree questions. Last week's pay three questions

(39:47):
at me. It isn't my termthis week. Let's see how this one
goes. Question number one, WillJonathan Huberto ever get over this devastating funk
that he is in? He flippedto the black tape and a white stick.
He's trying everything, man, poorguy. I don't know like he

(40:07):
he He worked so hard, man, He works his ass off. He
made a nice pass to Gilbert yesterday, made a nice pass his first point
in the calendar month. I justpulled up here see that McKinnon. Did
you see McKinnon had twenty seven pointsbefore you would have had one. I

(40:31):
hope I hope he does, man, because like I get one hundred and
fifteen points and then turn into thisplayer. Let get you like I get
playing with Barkov. That was abig part of his success. But it's
like I wouldn't work off that much. Only in the power play was on
the line. Yeah, they gotput together a lot, though, and

(40:52):
it was with he was he wasplaying, he was they were playing that
river style hockey, like like arun and gun style, right, And
I don't know, man, Idon't know. It's it's just fascinating to
see what this guy's turned to do. And this is the first year of
an eight year contract. It's I'll, I mean, I honestly believe that

(41:15):
the whole hockey world is actually cheeringfor him because he is working hard.
It's it's it's something I've never seenbefore, and it's for the worst contract
in the league right now. It'sgot to be No, I mean,
you can't say that if it's ifit continues through the end of the season.
Yes, I will say that.I just have a hard time believing

(41:35):
that this lasts forever. Do Ithink he's one hundred point player again?
No, I don't. I don't. But I mean if he did,
though, it would not I keepI mean don't, doesn't everybody in Calgary
keeps wishing for that. But likeright now, I mean, seventy looks
amazing, right, Yeah, Imean I just feel bad for him because,

(41:57):
like it would be different if hewas being lazy, doing stupid things,
had had a piss poor attitude,but he has none of those.
He's working his ass off, He'strying everything to make play. He's like,
I honestly think they'll never see whathappen. He needs to be a
little more selfish. He needs toshoot the puck. War Yeah, but
there's been times where he's in ashooting option and he's like overthinking the ship

(42:22):
out of it and he's like,all gonna pacit here, and it's like,
okay, dude, you shoot thepuck. Blake. Let me just
ask you a question when you're whenyou were one hundred and fifteen point player
two years ago, and you havezero points in December? How do you
not over there? You're you're grippingthe stick a lot. For sure,
you're gripping it your white knockle inyour stick. But just simplify your game

(42:43):
a little bit, throwpucks on netand like, do whatever you can.
Question number two, we all getexcited for the World Juniors. Would you
watch if they had a World Seniors? A retired time hockey players, h

(43:05):
it would be your chance to watchLuongo? Probably probably Wouldn't it be fun?
Though you feel like it'd be superslow? I don't know. But
how old are we talking here,like guys that just retired in the last
ten years or guys retired thirty yearsago. Let me answer this. I
put thirty seconds into this thought ofthis question because I thought it was intriguing.

(43:28):
I didn't work out the freaking details. Blake and like cal would be
Yeah, I would. I wouldwatch it. I don't know how exciting
it would be. I just thinkyou'd be found to rekindle some of those
old rivals, old World Junior rivalries. I just think that would be kind
of fun. Yeah, watching Jonathantaze to do a penalty shot again,
wouldn't that be fun four times ina row baby question number three. The

(43:52):
Professional Women's Hockey League started to playtoday. Yeah, they started with two
significant format slash rule changes. Whatare your thoughts on the following they announced
that they're going to be using athree two one zero points system. Good,
all the power. All the powerto them, see if it works,
and maybe the ah olking to dosomething like that. The second is

(44:15):
when a shorthanded goal is scored,the penalized player gets to leave the box.
That's awesome. Really, yep,that's awesome creativity. Wow, that's
what I don't mean. I don'tthink it sounds horrible, but I the

(44:36):
short handed team gets rewarded for scoringa short handed goal. That's awesome.
That's good. Good for that?I don't know, isn't isn't the goal
of reward enough? Yeah? Butlike you're already a man short you score
a goal. I would what Iwould what I would rather see would be
that if you take if you geta two minute penalty right and you score

(44:59):
your score, stay on the powerplay, stay on the power play.
I mean, I think that wouldcreate more offense than than this. Yeah,
I mean it would create more offensethan this right and create more scoring.
Yeah. Not, it wouldn't befair for the power play merchants in
Edmonton. Wouldn't be fair. Yeah, we're going to change it for one.

(45:22):
Okay question the third part of this, and this one is not really
it is a rule change for girlshockey, butter women's hockey. But they're
allowing checking. Did that surprise you? They are really I didn't know that.
I didn't know they're allowing body checking, and I caught left guard that
I really did not even entertain thoughtsthat when this league came that that was

(45:43):
something they did a lot. That'sgood. I mean, you're you're you
signed up to play professional hockey,you know the rules, and you know
what what comes with that gift forthem, that's good. I think it's
good. I think, honestly,I thought a lot of times in women's
hockey when they didn't have checking,that there was more or liberty. If
he's taken because people weren't expecting it, then it was probably right energies for

(46:04):
injuries because people didn't expect it.H Listener questions. Okay, we're gonna
go through this quick because we're runninga little a long today. What should
your favorite teams new year's resolution bethis year, you get Vancouver, I
get Calgary because there are our favoriteteams. What's their team? What's your
team's New year's resolution? To stayhealthy? That's my resolution? You know

(46:29):
what? I would? You knowwhat? I think you're in Vancouver like
my knees. Not. My newyear's resolution is to get cusmco scoring goals.
Okay, we're get them model ofthe day and for demo to stay
healthy. How about your penalty kill? You know, their penilly kill is
showing life like, it's showing signs. And I know there's not a lot

(46:52):
wrong on Vancouver, don't get mewrong. I just think that would be
like if you could get your penaltykilled good I know. Well, actually
no, they need to get theirThey need to get their power play going.
Their power play has been a joke. Top ten power play, isn't
it not? Now? Yeah?Because of because of the goals they scored
against Edmonton and San Jose, Like, yeah, has not been good.

(47:12):
If you look at the underlying numbers, it's clicking out like thirteen percent the
last like three weeks. It's thathasn't been good. Okay, So they
needed they did, They needed tofigure that out. You. Calgary is
my favorite team. I think thebiggest thing is, you know, when
you commit, you commit to thisretool and no matter what, now we

(47:34):
need to get assets for our pendingu fase. I don't think can of
Hanafin, lind Holme and potentially Markstrom. Those four players, those four players
you have to you have to tradeat least the first three set the marks

(47:54):
from thing is not happening during theseason. That's so much money lind Holme
had, Finn Tanef and have tobe traded, have to be traded,
and you have to maximize as muchvalue as you get. And I know
people think it's going to be firstround picks and I don't. I don't.
I don't. You're not getting afirst for Tanef, You're probably you'll
probably get a first for lind Home, and you're you're not getting it first

(48:15):
for Hannafan. I think you.I think we have a better shot at
getting a first for Hannahan than wedo Lindholm because Hannafan's been really good this
year. Well yeah, they're bothraking around the same money, right,
yeah, but four but are you? I mean, Okay, so let
me ask you this question. Likelet's say you're a GM, right and
you look at Lindholm and you're like, yeah, what is he at four

(48:36):
eight or something like that, andthat's great, right, But then he's
appending uf A and he these numbersthat he's talking about are reportedly talking about
are ludicrous, Like you're not goingdown that road. So it's like it's
going to be a pissy okay,but if but if you're Colorado and you
give up a first round pick toget a second line center and go on
a Stanley Cup run and maybe youmaybe maybe you win the Stanley Cup with

(48:57):
a guy like Lindholme and at theend of the year, yeah, we
just want to say, like we'renot going to break him back anyway.
No, I know, but youknow what, not one team gave up
a first round pick last year.I know that is crazy. And you
know I teams are holding on tofirst round picks stronger than ever and I'm
not sure exactly why, because thedraft pick is still just a crapshoot,

(49:20):
right, and and these teams thatare doing this are all going to be
They're not going to be like topten picks here, So like, I
don't I'm a little surprised, butI think actually Hanafin has a better chance
of getting a number one or firstround er than than Lindholm does. I
don't know. It'll be interesting tosee what happens. But you're looking at
like a third second and a propB level prospect maybe, Like I don't

(49:43):
know, I think you're gonna geta I think you're gonna get a second
for tan Of and a and aB level prospect because I think he's going
to be He's exactly what teams wantfor a playoff run, right, I
mean god, I mean he's like, if you drop the script, the
defenseman that you want for a longplayoff run, he's your guy, right,
I mean, oh yeah, youmake me so he blocked the shots

(50:06):
that he blocked, It's like,oh, he's gonna get one in the
floot and break his foot. It'slike, oh, it makes you squirm
every night I watch games. I'mworry more about that when I do you
scare? So yeah, right now, I think that's uneraln one on what
I would ever say that is numberone point? Yeah, all right,

(50:29):
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