January 9, 2024 • 43 mins
THE DEBATE - Hockey Podcast – Episode 239 – Top Heavy Leafs
Host- Brad Burud @BradBurud
Co-Host- Blake Friars @FriarsBlake
--- EPISODE 239 ---
Nylander signs monster contract in Toronto
AROUND THE NHL: World Juniors, All-Star Selections, Leafs Goalies and Ruthless New Year - Hits that Hurt
3 Questions
Listener Questions: The PWHL is off to a great start…What is the one move that this league can not make if they want to be a long-term success?
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*Produced by Inside Edge Hockey News Media Group
Host- Brad Burud @BradBurud
Co-Host- Blake Friars @FriarsBlake
--- EPISODE 239 ---
Nylander signs monster contract in Toronto
AROUND THE NHL: World Juniors, All-Star Selections, Leafs Goalies and Ruthless New Year - Hits that Hurt
3 Questions
Listener Questions: The PWHL is off to a great start…What is the one move that this league can not make if they want to be a long-term success?
Website: THE DEBATE Hockey Podcast
Listen: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts
Watch: YouTUBE
Social Media – X - @TheDebate | FACEBOOK – THE DEBATE Hockey Podcast | INSTAGRAM - THE DEBATE Hockey Podcast
Music – Booz N Tuna
Presented By: StickBandits – ApparelBandits #NHL #HockeyX #TalkinHockey #HockeyPodcast #Hockey #DebateHockey #LeafsForever
*Produced by Inside Edge Hockey News Media Group
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It is happen for the bad hockeypods. I am the host the show,
Brador Jonan Someday each of the weekplayed Friers. We are here for
a hour with NHL Hockey talking andwake at small hockey consu I shouldn't say,
honey, we got We're supposed toget like an inch and we got
like five. Yeah, it's ithasn't stopped snowing. It's it's supposed to
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snow five seven years today, fourto seven tomorrow. Yeah, it's uh,
it's We've been pretty lucky though Ishouldn't be. I shouldn't be talking
ship about it snowing because we've we'vegot. Uh, it's been pretty pretty
lucky, and it's been been reallyreally nice. Nice winter hasn't been that
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cold. I think this is thefirst, uh, this is the first
week that it's been like in theminus teens, like minus nineteen and minus
twenty or whatever. Like, it'sbeen pretty it's been like plus one and
uh, minus four. It's beenpretty mild, so I can't really complain.
We have not hit below zero yet. Yeah, like it's so fahrenheit.
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Yeah we will tonight tonight. It'llbe our first night week yeah,
like it's supposed to be. Ithink minus twenty seven tonight. That's probably
the coldest it's been all winter here. So yeah, it's no complaints for
me. It's been awesome winter.We're supposed to be a high of twenty
one below on Sunday. Yeah,fahrenheit. That's cold. It's cold.
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Zero thirty two fahrenheit is zero degreesyees. Yeah, that's like minus thirty
celsius. So yeah, it's gonnabe cool. We'll do it. Yeah.
Did you see Mark Andrea Flurry diveback into his crease to stop the
empty net or and then minutesco Sodascores that tie it up and wins it
in Columbus in over time? That'suh, I'm trying to think. I
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think, who the hell was it? I remember Ryan Miller doing that against
Detroit one one year. I thinkit was his second year in Vancouver.
I was watching YouTube the other night, just flipping through, and my son
and I were watching and we werejust looking at some hockey stuff, and
yeah, he was. We werejust talking and I showed him the replay
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of the Dallas Stars. I believeit was an O six uh oh when
they missed the empty net. Yeah, did you do you know how that
was? Uh? Well, Ican't remember the it was what's his name?
Uh? Patrick? Stuff on?Yeah, there you go and it
jumps like you can see him andhe's getting ready to shoot it and it
jumps and he misses it and theygo down and score. You gotta look,
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you know, do you know thestory of do you know the story
behind that? What do you know? So? So if Edmonton, So
if Derek Stephan scores that goal,right, sorry, if Patrick Stephan scores
that goal, Chicago doesn't draft PatrickKane because that them Dallas losing that game
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gave Chicago the first overall pick.That was past it. No, it
wasn't in the playoffs. No itwasn't. No, No, sure,
no it wasn't in the playoffs.No, because Hensky went down score.
It wasn't in the playoffs. Itwasn't in the playoffs. But yeah,
but like go look that story up, like Pat, Like, if he
scores that, Patrick Kane is notdrafted by Chicago because they would have the
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first overall pick. I gets it'scrazy. I'm gonna look that up.
No, it's not in the playoffs. They they never played each other in
the playoffs. They haven't played.Swear that was the first round. I
don't know. It was a longtime ago, and it was unbelievable.
Speaking of unbelievable, what was Holkglanderdoing the other night when he tries the
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old Zegris want to be flip overthat? I mean, it's a dumb
play. I don't, I don'tanything like you know. He tried to
bank it off the goalies back andin Uh he had he had no play.
He just put He just chipped ita little too for the goalie.
Wasn't even paid attention. If youput that off the back, that's that's
rolled down into the net. Itwas closed. He just flipped it a
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little too hard. I'm looking thisup. I'm looking this up for you.
He should have bounced it off thetop of the net. Missed goal.
It was in two thousand and seven, January fourth, two thousand and
seven, not in the playoffs.But yeah, that was that. That
Uh, the part that is thatthere was more than three on three,
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so that was post that was prelocker. Well, No, that was
that was in regulation, Brad.There was three seconds left, Oilers were
down a goal. He missed theempty net. Yes, I understand the
oilers go down to em like allas I remember is I forget thenouncer Henski
scores. Can you believe what wejust? Like that? Did you earn
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in my brain? Well? Youknow, when you look at it,
it almost I think the reason Iprobably thought it was the playoffs is because
of the atmosphere. It was socrazy, like it was it wasn't it
like a playoff go crazy? Imean it was it was that wreck.
It honestly might be one of theloudest buildings that I've ever been to a
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place. It's the place Shook.It's the second loudest building. I've watched
a game in the loudest place Shook. Yeah, Winnipeg, it's not as
loud as it used to be whenI was a kid. I went to
a game through a game this year. I went to a game last year
and I was like, it waspretty good, but I was like,
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Oh, I've been in here whenit's like really loud. Yeah, but
it's circumstantial, right, Yeah,I've be when it's really loud, and
I've been in the saddle when it'sthe library. Yeah. And Vancouver.
I watched Vancouver play the Minnesota Wildone night and it was like crickets in
there, Well it's against missi Wah'sthe most boring hockey team to watch live
of all time. It was aSaturday night. This is fifteen years ago.
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So they went so, yeah,do you remember you remember and we
were talking about, uh, what'sgoing on with the Winnipeg Jets attendance here
and uh while there in uh firstplace? That was that was the We
both we both said, like,that's bullshit. We both wrote that off
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right away. But yeah, it'ssix games, six games out of the
year. We're talking about the tenantslike, come on, it's a slow
newsday and old Winnipeg. Yeah.So the Professional Women's Hockey League starts.
Yeah, and I love their newrules. I do. I watched a
little bit of it the other dayand it's not bad hockey and it was
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about what I was but it wasgood actually, and I love the body
checking and stuff. And I havea girl that plays hockey, so I'm
like, I'm all for it.But I see them just like pumping the
hell out of this thirteen thousand atthe first game in Minnesota, and that's
wonderful, But like, talk tome at game forty right, Well,
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that's like good for them, LikeI want them to succeed because they've been
they've been fighting a long time toget their own league and their own game
and and and they're they're kind ofthey're kind of crafting it into their own
right, create a little bit ofcreative rules and something different. And and
I'm every single league that starts,uh, people want to go check it
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out. Right, it's the productthat you put on the ice after.
What are you going to do tosustain that? That's that's their next biggest
hurdle. And we're gonna get alittle bit more into that today's listener questions.
So today on the show, wegot top Heavy Leaves will go around
the league and talk World Juniors,All Star selections, Leaf goalies, ruthless
New Year, and hits that hurtall right for days. The day we
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finally get it, Lander signs hisextension and the Toronto Maple leafs around the
hook for ninety two million dollars.Sixty nine of that is signing bonus cap
hit of eleven point five a year, no move, no trade for all
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eight years. Yeah, what whatdid I say at the start of the
year? What did I say?At the start of this season of the
podcast, I said, okay,okay, William Neelander, you think you're
worth eleven million, go show meyou're worth eleven million. And he's done
just that. He's done just that. He's played fantastic. I think he's
got over fifty points in thirty sevengames or something like that. He's he's
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been great, he's been productive,he's our been one of the least best
players outside of Matthews. He doesit all for them. He's kind of
changed his game the last two threeyears. He's playing a little harder,
playing a little harder play against thisyear, and he's agree with all of
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that. But the part you justsaid scares me a little bit. He's
playing a little harder, which meansis he going to play hard now that
he's got the contract. We allyou gotta do is go down back a
couple of years and go look atJohnny Gudau and go look at and uh
Huberto, Like there's there's a longlist. I'm not saying I'm gonna do
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that. Yeah, and I can't. And I could see you putting Goodrow
on that list. I don't knowabout Hubert because I do think he's been
trying hard. I just don't thinkhe is playing very good. His work
ethic has been not in question.Yeah, it's the results have been.
But now Johnny goodro I could probablylooks like he's public skating out there.
Yeah no, I don't know.I don't know one other way to say
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it, Like he's just like aSunday afternoon pickup game in Rochester. But
one of the things on this contract, like, yes, I would agree
with you that he earned it thisyear, like, but his previous years
were a little more better every yearhe has. But the part that got
me is I looked at his age. He's twenty seven, and mathematically I
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heard them talking today and they saidthat the the peak performance of an NHL
player is ages twenty four to twentyseven. That's the peak. Statistic statistics,
that's the it's a statistical peak.Prime prime that is the prime twenty
four to twenty seven. There's noway. Look at some guys don't get
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in their prime t other twenty seven. That's some guys. I'm saying the
average. But anders just getting better, dude, I think he's just entering
his prime. Maybe for the nexttwo years. Then he's he's declined in
the last five Yeah, I thinkI think Neelander. I think Kneelanders is
gonna be able to sustain this forfive to six years of this deal.
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I guess we'll see, but Iwill bet you he doesn't. I dude,
Kneelander. He's changed his game.He's completely changed his game. He's
gotten faster, he's developed as shy, he's been a better playmaker. He's
worked on his defensive game. Likehe's he's earned this contract, he's earned
the ninety two million bucks he's got. He's gotten better every year. What's
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the ceiling? Is a ceiling onehundred points? Can you get to a
hundred points? Maybe he's on PAhe's on Pace Romos one hundred. This
year, he's been around hovering aroundthat eighty eighty seven range. Now can
he take it to another level?Can we get to another gear? That?
That's that's what Leaf Nation wants tosee. The problem is they still
haven't won. Listen. That's okay, we're gonna dive more into the leafs.
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We're gonna dive more into the leafs. And they're kind of their window
and kind of in three questions.Okay, we're gonna we're gonna dive more
into that, but I have totalk about one other thing. They have
five contracts that are very big ontheir books. Yeah, that's kind of
one of my questions too. Idid the math, right, they got
the four highest paid eleven, fourof the highest paid eleven players in the
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league. Okay, but I didAustin Matthews, Nilander Tavers, Marner and
Morgan Riley. Right. Yeah,those five players make up sixty two of
next year's cap. Yeah, okay, yeah, I was listening. I'm
not a big Bill Belichick fan,but I was listening to a guy talk
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about him today, and you canrelate and this. He was talking football,
so yes, I I know we'renot talking about you, but you
can relate it to hockey. Hesaid, top heavy never wins. You're
only as good as your yours,your death, your weakness will kill you.
Yeah. And what has killed theLeafs? Their stars haven't showed up
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in the playoffs. No, no, no, before that, before that,
they spent two or three years wherethe defense killed him, right,
right, he had a year wherea goal he's killed you, and then
he had a Yeah. So there'struth to what, even though not only
Bill Belichick. There's truth to whathe's saying. Now they get sixty of
their cap tied up in five players, that's gonna be hard to put a
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supporting cast of seventeen players around that. Yeah, you do them. You
gotta get it, you gotta yougotta hit hit on some guys like on
Elc's you gotta like Knives has gotto produce, and Topy Niemla's got to
come up on the back end,and you got Timothy Lilogrin there like they're
there. You gotta have some goodyoung players that come in and can play
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a role for You have to haveyoung players on cheap deals. I agree
completely, But that's a risky rollof the dice, isn't it. It
is, But especially on the backend. That's I mean forwards, this
is the mess that this is themess that this is the mess that Dubis
made. I know. But trueLiving sure isn't helping it. Tree Livings
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doubled down on the cour for sure. He signed Matthews, and he signed
and he signed Lander. But we'regonna talk about We're gonna talk about something.
We're gonna talk about this. Threequestions. I gotta leave shrelated questions.
Three questions. Okay, well thenit's time to go around the league.
All right, let's talk World Juniorsfor a little bit. Here.
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Canada falls with eleven seconds to goin a kind of a crazy game.
Yeah, it was kind of acrazy game, back and forth, and
then I then it on with sixminutes left in the third I totally forgot.
I just saw the third period twoand me and we're not gonna talk
a lot about World Juniors here,just because me and you really never got
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into it this year. I justI didn't know. I'm sorry to finish,
I never got into it. Butyou said something last episode and it
got me thinking about previous World Juniorsand some of the stuff that we've seen.
You were you were complaining about Idon't want to see. You said,
Canada got a job by the officials. You said you were complaining about
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it. I talk about the Switzerlandgame, and I gave you a hard
time, but it no, Idon't I just I just want to touch
on one thing here. I Istarted thinking back and right for that vacuum.
I don't know what the hell thatguy's doing up there. The officials
have played a role in a lotof World Juniors, right, I'm telling
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you it's bad. So I'm watchingUS Finland right and early in the game,
US gets high sticked like three timesin the face, two times which
drew blood. One kind of lookedlike the guy bit his lip. But
anyways, at least two minute callsright, none of them were called.
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And then with like five minutes togo, the most tickie tac hook behind
aland guy they freaking call it inthe US gets a power play. Now,
the US scored on that to goahead. And then there was a
couple with two minutes ago another tikitak call on USA to give Finland the
power play. Finland failed to score. But it's like, you know,
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why is it that way? Inthe World Juniors the white dude every year.
The worst call by far was inthe quarterfinals Switzerland versus Sweden. We're
tied zero or we're tied, aboutto go into overtime. Buddy like pokes
his pokes this guy with the stickin the guy's back way from the net.
He calls it for spearing. Isaw it. Yeah, that is
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the word. I've watched hockey fortwenty over twenty years. That is the
worst call I've ever seen. Theywere and then and Sweden scores on the
power play to win the game.The worst call I've ever seen. But
why does this happen in the worldjuniors? Why do we? Why we
the kids playing? Man? Well, I mean, you have to call
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penalties, but it's just the doubleI HF is always known for that,
though I know why? Why?Why is there no? Why is there
no like? And do you feelI honestly feel like most times when it's
it, when it's overseas, it'sa penalty fest, and when it's in
North America they let them play more. I don't know why I feel that.
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I don't know why I feel thatway. Maybe it's because of the
Big Ice they want more power playsand create more goals. I don't know.
I have no idea. When theUS got that power play and then
they scored, I was thinking tomyself, Oh, there is a makeup
call coming here any second, andthere was. It's like, how can
I, as a fan just watchinglike, predict this so accurately, Like
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there needs some Vegas odds on it, because I would I'd be rich today.
Because it was so it was almostlike it was scripted and and then
the championship game. I did notget to watch it, but I watched
the highlights and it's like US dominatedthem, which is somewhat expected, and
then they can't win with class atthe end. You gotta start a lion
bra that's class. I just Idid not like that. But then again
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I hated it when Team Canada didtheir garbage and then and then you're and
then Cutter go with you. We'lltalk about him later, talk about him
later. I'm sure starts trying tostart shipping the handshake line and just like,
well he didn't start in the hands. The Sweden guys started it.
But he deserved it though, becauseI would have said I would have called
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him out too. Yeah, Ijust it was just it was just a
crappy way, like what, likewhat do we what do we have in
a line bowl for you're a fiveto like just just end the game,
like there's no need for that,There's no need for throwing paunches and starting
fights, like come on the wholea sour ending to it. Yeah,
speak of speaking of sol Endings.Let's talk All Star Game for a minute
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here, and I we we've wenton it. We've done this show seven
years, and I think we've complainedabout the Ulcar game seven years, so
we're not going to spend a wholebunch of time on this. But you
know, they name the rosters,and now this year evidently are we We're
not playing three on three anymore.We're gonna play five on five and we're
going to have a draft this yearso we can make somebody look like a
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dumbass, which is dumb and Ihate this. This needs to be the
Winner Classic. The Ulcar game needsto be an outdoor game. This needs
to be the Winner Classic so thatit's just fun, right, And then
listen on the team and like there'sguys like there's guys like you know,
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like Miller and Vancouver that's not on. But Thomas Hurdle is Alliver b Yorik
Strands on the team. But youknow it's like Elias Lindholmes on the team
in Calgary. He's not even thebest player in Calgary. No, it's
backwards, man, it's so highfast backwards. Like I'm not even I'm
not even being like I'm not evenbeing But realistically, Vancouver could have five
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All Stars right now, Toronto couldhave four guys there right, Colorado could
have four guys there. You're you'reyou want to grow the game. You
want to grow the game in theNHL, Why are we not sending the
best players for the All Star Game? Nobody and absolutely no disrespect to Oliver
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Byorick Shrewn. Nobody wants to gowatch I play. I'm sorry, Nobody
wants to go watch Boone Jenner.Nobody wants to go like, come on,
like, and did I see thatCrosby didn't even make the All Star
Game? Are we joking? No? I wanna Crosby is on there?
Okay, maybe I read that wrong. Tom will is on there. Yeah,
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Like Alexavechkin's not gonna go. Oneof the best goal scorers of all
time. I don't care. Idon't care that he has eight goals.
He should be at the All StarGame. He's one of the league's best
players. People go to watch obEchkin play games. Send him to the
All Star Game, and then fanvoting you wouldn't go anyways? This I
don't know, man, it's it'sthey got to get rid of it.
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If they brought the draft back,I guess that's cool. But like the
best thing, the best thing isthat we don't have to deal with this
for two more years after this becausewe'll have best on best in Olympics.
Yea, hopefully praying, praying,cross your fingers. One more thing on
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lease before we get to some ofthese hits that happened this week. We'll
talk about but but it's my oneof my three questions. We'll talk about
that later. Why don't you takethe whole show script for your three questions?
Huh? I have two? Well, gotcha. Don't worry Matt Murray.
It's sounds leaving announced that Matt Murraycould be good to go and we'll
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be back this season. There's noway he said that. He did.
He said, he's said he's aheadof he said he's a head of Scout
Joe, but he's got a waysto go. But here's here's his exact
quote. He's got a ways togo. But everything has been really positive
and in terms of no setbacks,he has been on track and things are
going well. Oh that's the lead, that's the Leaf Savior. But you
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know what's gonna happen. I'm guaranteeinga setback here. He has to say
this to protect the l T IR. Scandals. Yeah, he's on
Roboto Island, so he can't.Yeah, I know. But when I
saw it, I was just like, oh man, this is so scripted.
This is so scripted. It's gonnabe like, Oh, Matt Burray's
he's up back practicing in that aweek before playoffs. Oh, you gotta
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setback. He's out for the season. Crazy. Yep, it's gonna be
that, you know, it's gonnabe that. The New Year. Since
the New Year, there has beena ton of hits that have just made
me shake my head. Get startedwith Nick Cousins Brillian vellamacky, Well,
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he's down and just slamming his headinto the boards, and I loved every
minute of it. Later on inthe game when Jason Sucker completely clobbers Cousins
from behind. Good. Perfect.But the problem is Cousins got away with
nothing under three games and I andI'm I'm so puzzled by this. And
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Bixa really called him outside blasted him. Good for him, because he's had
it coming. He turtles every singletime. Yeah, and it is it's
pathetic. He's hurting people and theleague does nothing about it. And I
think that the Raffi Tore's examples isamazing. Well, why why is the
league not doing anything about I don'tknow. I don't know. Because this
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guy, this says the first timehe's done it, either he does he
about ended Gabranson's life earlier this year. Yeah, like, what are what
are we doing? Why is thisbeing allowed? And part of me wonders,
when does a Florida Panthers management orplayer on the Florida step in and
say, dude, we're not protectingyou anymore? Yeah, or like we've
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talked about the player's safeties inconsistency atlength on this podcast, at length.
But here's another thing I don't understandabout players safety. How about they always
protect, they always protract, protectthe perpetrator, and disregard the victim.
Both guys are in the both guysare in the PA. What in the
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hell? Yeah, what about thepoor guy that's hurt now? Yeah,
but when Jason Zucker did that,I have so much more respect for that
guy. Now. Yeah, itwas dirty what he did and he deserved
three games. Yeah I deserve threegames. But cousins, you know what,
I guarantee all the money that heloses in those three games, all
the players in the league are buyinghim beers and State dinner next time they
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see him. Yeah, the wholeLeague's the whole league. I was like
when I was like when Brandon pressedspirits Brad Marshawn and then that's that and
you're like, oh, yeah,there we go. The other controversy that
happened this week they got blood's boilingeverywhere, was when it was Saturday night.
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And in a rivalry that's just reallyreally out of control right now,
the Winnipeg Jets in a little whiledefense they play each other in the playoffs.
Oh my god, it is likethe best rivalry right now. Brandon
Dylan cross checks wild Carill Caprice offtwice and he hurts him. He gets
a week to week upper body injury. And then on Sunday they play and
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Ryan Hartman takes goal for Fetti inthe face and and Coffetti goes to the
media and says that Hartman told himit was coming. It's retribution for the
Caprice off. You heard our star, I heard we hurt you. Hartman
gets fined four thousand and four andtwenty. It's because maybe it's because they
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couldn't use they couldn't use the videoor the miked up audio that it's a
rule in the c bay you can'tto protect the players, can't use that,
you can't use that against players.But and I and I don't disagree
with that, but I still thinkit's like, why even find somebody four
thousand dollars if you're gonna find,so just leave. But that goes back
to the protecting the players. Butthen on sports Net the other night,
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did you see the argument? AndI loved it. I loved it.
Listen, man, I don't know. Props the gem bottlel for for just
for standing in there and going upagainst the old boy from the Old Boys
Club. Do you think she's right? I see both sides. I see
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both sides. I don't know.It was it was pretty dirty. But
once one part of me says,why we picked? Why? Why pick?
Why did you pick for Freddy?Why didn't you is a youngster?
Why didn't you do that to Shifeyor somebody on the like or the retribution
would be more strifle? I guessright, But it was so it was
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so dirty, know god, Butyou know what, here's what I like
about this. Okay, we justsaid it in the when we were talking
about the cousins. This league isbetter when the players protect each other,
right, Well, yeah, theygame plaices itself eventually. It's not like
a police sing it though. Andwhen Jennifer Boterhoo went down this rabbit hole,
I'm like, you know, there'sa difference between women's hockey and men's
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hockey, and this is one ofthem. Right, this is professional sports.
Like I'm serious, Like if myif my star is getting run,
I'm going after your star. It'sjust way it is. Yeah, But
I don't. I don't agree withto adding somebody in the face. I
just I don't. I don't hefind he didn't even he had no regard
of winning the face off. Fuckdrop right in the teeth ball, it's
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bullshit. It's that's that's off.Doesn't belong in the game. I don't.
I don't care if it's REI whyOkay, So let me ask you
a question. If you want togo to on the guy in the back
the legs, go for it.You want to back you want to slash
him in the go for it.Don't. Don't. Don't stick a guy
in the face on purpose like that. Well, the league didn't do anything
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about it because they couldn't. Whybecause they said they would. They said
they can spend him because if theycouldn't use audio, yes, the audio,
they can use the video. Theysaw him spear him right in the
face. I don't know, man, it's silly. You can't. You
can't use the audio, but theycan. That's not what they're asking.
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They don't. How many suspensions dowe see a year where there's no audio.
It's like just the hit, yeahright, But the league doesn't do
that. So and that's why thishappens. When you don't police it.
This is what the result that youget. But I love that argument.
I thought it was amazing. Wehaven't had an argument like that on TV
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in a long time. But itdidn't it make for good TVs. Fired
up sports? That sports that's overhere tweeting popcorn a mode. I click
on. I'm like, oh no, is this And all a sudden,
I was like, pop my feetup, all right, tune in for
this five and a half band debate. And I was like, all right,
that's good. Uh one quick thing, will you said? You want
to wait for the badard thing forthree questions. We'll get to that.
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Yeah, did you see uh?Philip Thomasino slew foot Calgary defenseman Dennis Gilbert
the other night. I did notknow. I did not see that.
Slew puts him going into the boards, kicks his back legs out from underneath
him and gets a two minute penaltyand Gilbert is out now completely knocked him
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out on the ice because he hithe went straight back and hit his head.
Yeah, you get taken off ona stretcher. No, they got
They got him off, but hewas in la la land all the way
off the ice. But uh uh, you know, I just I don't
know, like sloop, what's sortof one of those things where it's like
it's pretty easy to see the video, you know, well that's a formnutet
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Penley too. Slew footing just goeson called and it's like, come on,
I just did they call it trippingor slow footing? That's a good
question. I should look that up. They probably called slew footing's four minutes,
Yeah they they probably called it tripping. But not a good look.
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for three questions. It's time forthree questions. All right, now you
get the full I asked three questionslast week. You get it this week.
And evidently you took half of mycontent from the script today for these
three questions. So these better besome damn good yay. First of all,
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question what is your overall thoughts onthe Barnard had? Like? That's
what? What was your overall thoughts? You want to know my honest thing.
I feel awful that a young kidin the league, it's a superstar
is out with a broken job.That being said, this is a completely
legal hit and the reason this happenedis completely Connor Bdard's fault. Head down.
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In the WHL, you can jimmyjob through the middle with your head
down, and if you're Connor Bdard, you'll be able to get around those
guys. Well, in the NHLit doesn't work that way, and the
big defenseman Smith let guard run intohim. Basically, yeah, completely legal
check. I thought what Luke Richardsonsaid after it was as classy as you're
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ever going to get from an NHLcoach. Yeah, it's an unfortunate thing.
I thought Folino did the right thing. It's unfortunate that he breaks a
finger defending him. He was oneof those you had to fight. Yeah,
I thought, all in all,quite honestly, it was. It's
just a hockey. It's a hockeyplay. It's the bad result, that's
what it is. What I don'tunderstand though, and who knows, Maybe
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he'll be back soon. Like,don't players play with broken jaws a lot?
Yeah, I mean you probably puta bubble on, but maybe Yeah,
well, every fracture is different though, like every like, I don't
know if he has to get hisjaw wired shot and I don't shot.
I don't either, but I knowplayers have played with John's wired shot.
Yeah, I don't know. Thatkind of caught me off guard a little
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bit. But it's just an unfortunateresult on one hundred percent clean hit.
And uh, yeah, we'll thinktwice this will help his career. Yeah,
oh, you'll twice before I enterin the zone with his head down.
Yes, okay, So Neilander signsan extension, k so this summing
or Mitch Marner and John Tavares areeligible to sign extensions. Okay, what
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what would you do if you wereBradstree living and how would you approach that?
Because you can't afford to keep everybody. There's no way they're signing Tavares
can't afford to and I don't thinkthey can sign Marner. I think they're
gonna have to the I think theypicked their guy. I think they picked
their So I could see Tavares signingfor a very, very very team friendly
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deal. Why would he do thatbecause it's in his hometown and he wants
to help the team win. Hewants to win a Stanley Cup, I
hope, yeah. So why whywouldn't you sign for less? You're about
to be what thirty four years old? Toronto has fielded one of the best
rosters in the National Hockey League threeyears in a row in that one,
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I know. So what makes youthink that's going to change this here and
next year? Well, you gotto you gotta get you gotta get some
players to take some less money here, like that's the problem. What Okay,
then, why didn't you under takeless money? I think that that's
pretty fair value for him. Whydid he take less? Like I don't
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know the team. Why don't thinkI don't think Matthews is worth thirteen two
five. So while he's one ofthe best players, he's got a better
chance of a Vetkin beating Gretzky.Yeah, he's higher than him. So
what I mean, how do youargue that? It's like I think I
think that Honestly, I think theLeafs are gonna I think the Leafs are
gonna visit a Kneelander trade this summer, Like I are not a Kneelander trade,
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sorry, a Marder trade this summer. I think they're gonna I think
they're gonna sit down and then you'regonna look at their options. They can
afford him. Uh now I'm sayingthey're gonna trade. They're gonna trade,
Marty. I know what you're saying. But here's the deal, though,
what are you going to get inreturn? Because the trade and they trade
him. If you trade him thissummer a lot for him, you got
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a lot, But you can't getanything that costs money. Why can't you?
He makes ten point nine mil forthe next two years, Blake,
They've got They've they've got sixty nextyear. They've already got accounted for sixty
two. Okay, if you canturn Marner, if you can turn Marner
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into a five six million dollar defensemanand and pick some prospects, I think
you do it. They've got they'vegot thirty three million dollars for seventeen players,
I know. And you got toget a goalie one of these years.
Right, Well, we'll see.I don't know. They're they're in
big trouble. They're they're in bigtrouble. Top th I got, I
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got four questions to say, Sowe're gonna do four questions. What was
your thoughts on on the cutter gowith Ya for Jamie Jays Dell Swap.
Did you see that? Yeah,cutter go with you. A drafted last
year by the Flyers in the firstround went up to tour around and said,
hey, can't wait to player foryou can't wait to be a Philadelphia
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Flyer. Then all of a sudden, now he doesn't want to sign.
He avoided, he didn't talk tothem, and now they turned a disaster
situation into a really really good righthanded defenseman. Then Jamie drives to like,
I think Danny Brier did a hellof a job. Absolutely, he's
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getting something that he had Delta,he got Delta shipthand is what happened.
And he's different from Adam Foxing andCalgary years ago. Well, it's almost
like the it hasn't turned out great, but it's kind of like the Ka
Chuck the tree living in Calgary.Could Ki Chuck wanted out and they turned
it in and turn it into thatthat hasn't turned out horribly because Wiger is
one of the better defensemen in theleague. Hasn't turned out. No,
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they agree, but but Viger wasa throw in, right and then he
got then he got then he gotthat coal whatever any name is in the
first Yes, yeah, so yeah. I thought it was just an interesting
trade. I didn't know all thedetails when I first saw him, like
why would they trade? I waslike, why would they trade Carter Goce?
Then I read it's like, ohhe refused to play there. I
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was like, Okay, that makessense. But if you're Anaheim, though,
if you're Anaheim, you got yougot Mace McTavish, catter GoChi down
the middle, you got you gotsecrets. Now, like that's a young,
lost good defenseman. There they gotthey got but that, but they
got the Rise of that Mitchikov,the Mitchikov dinon. I think that I
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think that made him a little bitexpendable. There's no way a right handed
defenseman's expendable ever for the right price. You're a good player. Yeah,
but he's an unproven player, rightHe's in college for sure, That's what
I'm saying. Yeah, Okay,Question four or three B maybe feel to
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do if the Jets are missing anything? What is it? Luck?
No? Lock? What do youmean, Lock? What are they missing?
You're you're shaking your crystal ball forthe Winnipeg Jets. What do they
add? What do they need?Chris Tadiff, You been talking to my
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dad? No, he just saidthe same thing to me today. That
was a good question. We hadit. We had a good heat of
debate. We had a good heateddebate. They also need Luck, well,
they need they. If I'm shakinga crystal ball, I'm shaking for
Kyle Carter to get back asap.I feel I feel like the Winnipeg Jets
and I cheer for them. Ifeel like the Winnipeg Jets. Every time
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they get into the playoffs, somethinggoofy happens. Yea, they get unlucky
and I I tooted this horn foryears that you know, they're a top
contending team, and this year Ihad them in the playoffs and I know
a lot of people wrote them offthis year, and I just thought I
just had a weird feeling about thisteam this year when they got like Hella
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Buck and I just no one sawthat coming, you know, if I
think back, and I'm as guiltyone was like, oh, like,
what are they gonna do. They'regonna rebuild, retool. Then boom they
signed those two out of the gate. It's like, okay, everybody and
people argued it too, They werelike, oh, I don't know,
that's a good idea. Yeah,I mean it was a good idea.
And that is the one signing whenI look back in the last five years,
right, that is the one signingthat shocked me more than anything.
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Which one the hell a Buck Shifyextensions? Yeah, because both players said
they wanted out. I don't knowthey said that publicly. Well, they
did not make any emotions or notionsthat they wanted to be there. Let's
put it that way. Yeah,and then boom, that signing's hit,
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And I know it shocked you too, But I mean that that was a
signing. Then when I look backon it, I'm like, wow,
I did not see that coming.Yeah, yeah, what are you saying?
Great minds think like your dad andI is that what you're trying to
think? Yes, I don't know. I don't know. All right,
I got a listener question for you. That's an interesting one. The Professional
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Women's Hockey League is off to agreat start. What is the one move
that this league cannot make if theywant to sustain long term success that they
cannot make it? Cannot make thismove, It'll kill it. That's my
paraphrase. Ah, that's a Ithought it was. I wasn't prepared.
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I wasn't prepared for that. No, I know that, So I don't
tell you the listener question before Ihad time to think about it. I've
come up with two. I don'tknow. I have no idea. Okay,
here's my two. I think thefirst thing, and I'm cheering for
this league. Yeah, but thefirst thing is they cannot grow too quickly.
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Right, that's a good point.The AHL was out at six teams
for a long time. The secondthing, it is in the utmost importance
that they develop cool jerseys and nicelogos, and by the team names,
yes, and team names by theby the beginning of next season. You
grow your brand. Gotta get thebrand go. The third thing, and
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this probably is the most important,second being don't grow too quick. The
women's game, as much as ithurts feelings, is never gonna withstand the
popularity or even come close to thepopularity of the men's game that we've watched
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for a hundred years. Don't tryto compare yourself, don't try to be
close. Try to be yourself.They got to build your build your own
try to be yourself. You're notgonna make big money and it's oh hey,
look at the Canadian Football League.It's oh hey, yeah, see
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who you are. And build yourbrand. Yeah, and it will be
sustainable. Sustainable, that's what youneed to go for. Sustainable. Yeah,
I agree, I agree with that. There's a lot of hockey talk.
We're good on time though, fortytwo forty three minutes. That's good.
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We're back again next week and Iam betting next week that we are
going to happen. So I justgot a gut feeling. It's just my
guests, my guest, but it'sgeeding to be that time of year.
And I think next week we aregoing to have a break talking about I
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hope you're right, I talking trades. Can we get some breaking news every
once in a while, Man,I always be looking at my bone new
nothing. It's always after the fall, always after the part, always and
then we got to wait another weektalk about it. Oh yeah, sworrow
the tradill come. Maybe the trailpeople a nice to get the kneelander signing
before good time. All right,hockey fans, enjoy this week's hockey action.
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honey, we got We're supposed toget like an inch and we got
like five. Yeah, it's ithasn't stopped snowing. It's it's supposed to
(00:45):
snow five seven years today, fourto seven tomorrow. Yeah, it's uh,
it's We've been pretty lucky though Ishouldn't be. I shouldn't be talking
ship about it snowing because we've we'vegot. Uh, it's been pretty pretty
lucky, and it's been been reallyreally nice. Nice winter hasn't been that
(01:06):
cold. I think this is thefirst, uh, this is the first
week that it's been like in theminus teens, like minus nineteen and minus
twenty or whatever. Like, it'sbeen pretty it's been like plus one and
uh, minus four. It's beenpretty mild, so I can't really complain.
We have not hit below zero yet. Yeah, like it's so fahrenheit.
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Yeah we will tonight tonight. It'llbe our first night week yeah,
like it's supposed to be. Ithink minus twenty seven tonight. That's probably
the coldest it's been all winter here. So yeah, it's no complaints for
me. It's been awesome winter.We're supposed to be a high of twenty
one below on Sunday. Yeah,fahrenheit. That's cold. It's cold.
(01:49):
Zero thirty two fahrenheit is zero degreesyees. Yeah, that's like minus thirty
celsius. So yeah, it's gonnabe cool. We'll do it. Yeah.
Did you see Mark Andrea Flurry diveback into his crease to stop the
empty net or and then minutesco Sodascores that tie it up and wins it
in Columbus in over time? That'suh, I'm trying to think. I
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think, who the hell was it? I remember Ryan Miller doing that against
Detroit one one year. I thinkit was his second year in Vancouver.
I was watching YouTube the other night, just flipping through, and my son
and I were watching and we werejust looking at some hockey stuff, and
yeah, he was. We werejust talking and I showed him the replay
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of the Dallas Stars. I believeit was an O six uh oh when
they missed the empty net. Yeah, did you do you know how that
was? Uh? Well, Ican't remember the it was what's his name?
Uh? Patrick? Stuff on?Yeah, there you go and it
jumps like you can see him andhe's getting ready to shoot it and it
jumps and he misses it and theygo down and score. You gotta look,
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you know, do you know thestory of do you know the story
behind that? What do you know? So? So if Edmonton, So
if Derek Stephan scores that goal,right, sorry, if Patrick Stephan scores
that goal, Chicago doesn't draft PatrickKane because that them Dallas losing that game
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gave Chicago the first overall pick.That was past it. No, it
wasn't in the playoffs. No itwasn't. No, No, sure,
no it wasn't in the playoffs.No, because Hensky went down score.
It wasn't in the playoffs. Itwasn't in the playoffs. But yeah,
but like go look that story up, like Pat, Like, if he
scores that, Patrick Kane is notdrafted by Chicago because they would have the
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first overall pick. I gets it'scrazy. I'm gonna look that up.
No, it's not in the playoffs. They they never played each other in
the playoffs. They haven't played.Swear that was the first round. I
don't know. It was a longtime ago, and it was unbelievable.
Speaking of unbelievable, what was Holkglanderdoing the other night when he tries the
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old Zegris want to be flip overthat? I mean, it's a dumb
play. I don't, I don'tanything like you know. He tried to
bank it off the goalies back andin Uh he had he had no play.
He just put He just chipped ita little too for the goalie.
Wasn't even paid attention. If youput that off the back, that's that's
rolled down into the net. Itwas closed. He just flipped it a
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little too hard. I'm looking thisup. I'm looking this up for you.
He should have bounced it off thetop of the net. Missed goal.
It was in two thousand and seven, January fourth, two thousand and
seven, not in the playoffs.But yeah, that was that. That
Uh, the part that is thatthere was more than three on three,
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so that was post that was prelocker. Well, No, that was
that was in regulation, Brad.There was three seconds left, Oilers were
down a goal. He missed theempty net. Yes, I understand the
oilers go down to em like allas I remember is I forget thenouncer Henski
scores. Can you believe what wejust? Like that? Did you earn
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in my brain? Well? Youknow, when you look at it,
it almost I think the reason Iprobably thought it was the playoffs is because
of the atmosphere. It was socrazy, like it was it wasn't it
like a playoff go crazy? Imean it was it was that wreck.
It honestly might be one of theloudest buildings that I've ever been to a
(05:33):
place. It's the place Shook.It's the second loudest building. I've watched
a game in the loudest place Shook. Yeah, Winnipeg, it's not as
loud as it used to be whenI was a kid. I went to
a game through a game this year. I went to a game last year
and I was like, it waspretty good, but I was like,
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Oh, I've been in here whenit's like really loud. Yeah, but
it's circumstantial, right, Yeah,I've be when it's really loud, and
I've been in the saddle when it'sthe library. Yeah. And Vancouver.
I watched Vancouver play the Minnesota Wildone night and it was like crickets in
there, Well it's against missi Wah'sthe most boring hockey team to watch live
of all time. It was aSaturday night. This is fifteen years ago.
(06:16):
So they went so, yeah,do you remember you remember and we
were talking about, uh, what'sgoing on with the Winnipeg Jets attendance here
and uh while there in uh firstplace? That was that was the We
both we both said, like,that's bullshit. We both wrote that off
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right away. But yeah, it'ssix games, six games out of the
year. We're talking about the tenantslike, come on, it's a slow
newsday and old Winnipeg. Yeah.So the Professional Women's Hockey League starts.
Yeah, and I love their newrules. I do. I watched a
little bit of it the other dayand it's not bad hockey and it was
(06:58):
about what I was but it wasgood actually, and I love the body
checking and stuff. And I havea girl that plays hockey, so I'm
like, I'm all for it.But I see them just like pumping the
hell out of this thirteen thousand atthe first game in Minnesota, and that's
wonderful, But like, talk tome at game forty right, Well,
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that's like good for them, LikeI want them to succeed because they've been
they've been fighting a long time toget their own league and their own game
and and and they're they're kind ofthey're kind of crafting it into their own
right, create a little bit ofcreative rules and something different. And and
I'm every single league that starts,uh, people want to go check it
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out. Right, it's the productthat you put on the ice after.
What are you going to do tosustain that? That's that's their next biggest
hurdle. And we're gonna get alittle bit more into that today's listener questions.
So today on the show, wegot top Heavy Leaves will go around
the league and talk World Juniors,All Star selections, Leaf goalies, ruthless
New Year, and hits that hurtall right for days. The day we
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finally get it, Lander signs hisextension and the Toronto Maple leafs around the
hook for ninety two million dollars.Sixty nine of that is signing bonus cap
hit of eleven point five a year, no move, no trade for all
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eight years. Yeah, what whatdid I say at the start of the
year? What did I say?At the start of this season of the
podcast, I said, okay,okay, William Neelander, you think you're
worth eleven million, go show meyou're worth eleven million. And he's done
just that. He's done just that. He's played fantastic. I think he's
got over fifty points in thirty sevengames or something like that. He's he's
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been great, he's been productive,he's our been one of the least best
players outside of Matthews. He doesit all for them. He's kind of
changed his game the last two threeyears. He's playing a little harder,
playing a little harder play against thisyear, and he's agree with all of
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that. But the part you justsaid scares me a little bit. He's
playing a little harder, which meansis he going to play hard now that
he's got the contract. We allyou gotta do is go down back a
couple of years and go look atJohnny Gudau and go look at and uh
Huberto, Like there's there's a longlist. I'm not saying I'm gonna do
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that. Yeah, and I can't. And I could see you putting Goodrow
on that list. I don't knowabout Hubert because I do think he's been
trying hard. I just don't thinkhe is playing very good. His work
ethic has been not in question.Yeah, it's the results have been.
But now Johnny goodro I could probablylooks like he's public skating out there.
Yeah no, I don't know.I don't know one other way to say
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it, Like he's just like aSunday afternoon pickup game in Rochester. But
one of the things on this contract, like, yes, I would agree
with you that he earned it thisyear, like, but his previous years
were a little more better every yearhe has. But the part that got
me is I looked at his age. He's twenty seven, and mathematically I
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heard them talking today and they saidthat the the peak performance of an NHL
player is ages twenty four to twentyseven. That's the peak. Statistic statistics,
that's the it's a statistical peak.Prime prime that is the prime twenty
four to twenty seven. There's noway. Look at some guys don't get
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in their prime t other twenty seven. That's some guys. I'm saying the
average. But anders just getting better, dude, I think he's just entering
his prime. Maybe for the nexttwo years. Then he's he's declined in
the last five Yeah, I thinkI think Neelander. I think Kneelanders is
gonna be able to sustain this forfive to six years of this deal.
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I guess we'll see, but Iwill bet you he doesn't. I dude,
Kneelander. He's changed his game.He's completely changed his game. He's
gotten faster, he's developed as shy, he's been a better playmaker. He's
worked on his defensive game. Likehe's he's earned this contract, he's earned
the ninety two million bucks he's got. He's gotten better every year. What's
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the ceiling? Is a ceiling onehundred points? Can you get to a
hundred points? Maybe he's on PAhe's on Pace Romos one hundred. This
year, he's been around hovering aroundthat eighty eighty seven range. Now can
he take it to another level?Can we get to another gear? That?
That's that's what Leaf Nation wants tosee. The problem is they still
haven't won. Listen. That's okay, we're gonna dive more into the leafs.
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We're gonna dive more into the leafs. And they're kind of their window
and kind of in three questions.Okay, we're gonna we're gonna dive more
into that, but I have totalk about one other thing. They have
five contracts that are very big ontheir books. Yeah, that's kind of
one of my questions too. Idid the math, right, they got
the four highest paid eleven, fourof the highest paid eleven players in the
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league. Okay, but I didAustin Matthews, Nilander Tavers, Marner and
Morgan Riley. Right. Yeah,those five players make up sixty two of
next year's cap. Yeah, okay, yeah, I was listening. I'm
not a big Bill Belichick fan,but I was listening to a guy talk
(12:37):
about him today, and you canrelate and this. He was talking football,
so yes, I I know we'renot talking about you, but you
can relate it to hockey. Hesaid, top heavy never wins. You're
only as good as your yours,your death, your weakness will kill you.
Yeah. And what has killed theLeafs? Their stars haven't showed up
(13:01):
in the playoffs. No, no, no, before that, before that,
they spent two or three years wherethe defense killed him, right,
right, he had a year wherea goal he's killed you, and then
he had a Yeah. So there'struth to what, even though not only
Bill Belichick. There's truth to whathe's saying. Now they get sixty of
their cap tied up in five players, that's gonna be hard to put a
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supporting cast of seventeen players around that. Yeah, you do them. You
gotta get it, you gotta yougotta hit hit on some guys like on
Elc's you gotta like Knives has gotto produce, and Topy Niemla's got to
come up on the back end,and you got Timothy Lilogrin there like they're
there. You gotta have some goodyoung players that come in and can play
(13:46):
a role for You have to haveyoung players on cheap deals. I agree
completely, But that's a risky rollof the dice, isn't it. It
is, But especially on the backend. That's I mean forwards, this
is the mess that this is themess that this is the mess that Dubis
made. I know. But trueLiving sure isn't helping it. Tree Livings
(14:07):
doubled down on the cour for sure. He signed Matthews, and he signed
and he signed Lander. But we'regonna talk about We're gonna talk about something.
We're gonna talk about this. Threequestions. I gotta leave shrelated questions.
Three questions. Okay, well thenit's time to go around the league.
All right, let's talk World Juniorsfor a little bit. Here.
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Canada falls with eleven seconds to goin a kind of a crazy game.
Yeah, it was kind of acrazy game, back and forth, and
then I then it on with sixminutes left in the third I totally forgot.
I just saw the third period twoand me and we're not gonna talk
a lot about World Juniors here,just because me and you really never got
(14:48):
into it this year. I justI didn't know. I'm sorry to finish,
I never got into it. Butyou said something last episode and it
got me thinking about previous World Juniorsand some of the stuff that we've seen.
You were you were complaining about Idon't want to see. You said,
Canada got a job by the officials. You said you were complaining about
(15:11):
it. I talk about the Switzerlandgame, and I gave you a hard
time, but it no, Idon't I just I just want to touch
on one thing here. I Istarted thinking back and right for that vacuum.
I don't know what the hell thatguy's doing up there. The officials
have played a role in a lotof World Juniors, right, I'm telling
(15:33):
you it's bad. So I'm watchingUS Finland right and early in the game,
US gets high sticked like three timesin the face, two times which
drew blood. One kind of lookedlike the guy bit his lip. But
anyways, at least two minute callsright, none of them were called.
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And then with like five minutes togo, the most tickie tac hook behind
aland guy they freaking call it inthe US gets a power play. Now,
the US scored on that to goahead. And then there was a
couple with two minutes ago another tikitak call on USA to give Finland the
power play. Finland failed to score. But it's like, you know,
(16:18):
why is it that way? Inthe World Juniors the white dude every year.
The worst call by far was inthe quarterfinals Switzerland versus Sweden. We're
tied zero or we're tied, aboutto go into overtime. Buddy like pokes
his pokes this guy with the stickin the guy's back way from the net.
He calls it for spearing. Isaw it. Yeah, that is
(16:42):
the word. I've watched hockey fortwenty over twenty years. That is the
worst call I've ever seen. Theywere and then and Sweden scores on the
power play to win the game.The worst call I've ever seen. But
why does this happen in the worldjuniors? Why do we? Why we
the kids playing? Man? Well, I mean, you have to call
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penalties, but it's just the doubleI HF is always known for that,
though I know why? Why?Why is there no? Why is there
no like? And do you feelI honestly feel like most times when it's
it, when it's overseas, it'sa penalty fest, and when it's in
North America they let them play more. I don't know why I feel that.
(17:26):
I don't know why I feel thatway. Maybe it's because of the
Big Ice they want more power playsand create more goals. I don't know.
I have no idea. When theUS got that power play and then
they scored, I was thinking tomyself, Oh, there is a makeup
call coming here any second, andthere was. It's like, how can
I, as a fan just watchinglike, predict this so accurately, Like
(17:49):
there needs some Vegas odds on it, because I would I'd be rich today.
Because it was so it was almostlike it was scripted and and then
the championship game. I did notget to watch it, but I watched
the highlights and it's like US dominatedthem, which is somewhat expected, and
then they can't win with class atthe end. You gotta start a lion
bra that's class. I just Idid not like that. But then again
(18:12):
I hated it when Team Canada didtheir garbage and then and then you're and
then Cutter go with you. We'lltalk about him later, talk about him
later. I'm sure starts trying tostart shipping the handshake line and just like,
well he didn't start in the hands. The Sweden guys started it.
But he deserved it though, becauseI would have said I would have called
(18:32):
him out too. Yeah, Ijust it was just it was just a
crappy way, like what, likewhat do we what do we have in
a line bowl for you're a fiveto like just just end the game,
like there's no need for that,There's no need for throwing paunches and starting
fights, like come on the wholea sour ending to it. Yeah,
speak of speaking of sol Endings.Let's talk All Star Game for a minute
(18:55):
here, and I we we've wenton it. We've done this show seven
years, and I think we've complainedabout the Ulcar game seven years, so
we're not going to spend a wholebunch of time on this. But you
know, they name the rosters,and now this year evidently are we We're
not playing three on three anymore.We're gonna play five on five and we're
going to have a draft this yearso we can make somebody look like a
(19:15):
dumbass, which is dumb and Ihate this. This needs to be the
Winner Classic. The Ulcar game needsto be an outdoor game. This needs
to be the Winner Classic so thatit's just fun, right, And then
listen on the team and like there'sguys like there's guys like you know,
(19:38):
like Miller and Vancouver that's not on. But Thomas Hurdle is Alliver b Yorik
Strands on the team. But youknow it's like Elias Lindholmes on the team
in Calgary. He's not even thebest player in Calgary. No, it's
backwards, man, it's so highfast backwards. Like I'm not even I'm
not even being like I'm not evenbeing But realistically, Vancouver could have five
(20:02):
All Stars right now, Toronto couldhave four guys there right, Colorado could
have four guys there. You're you'reyou want to grow the game. You
want to grow the game in theNHL, Why are we not sending the
best players for the All Star Game? Nobody and absolutely no disrespect to Oliver
(20:25):
Byorick Shrewn. Nobody wants to gowatch I play. I'm sorry, Nobody
wants to go watch Boone Jenner.Nobody wants to go like, come on,
like, and did I see thatCrosby didn't even make the All Star
Game? Are we joking? No? I wanna Crosby is on there?
Okay, maybe I read that wrong. Tom will is on there. Yeah,
(20:45):
Like Alexavechkin's not gonna go. Oneof the best goal scorers of all
time. I don't care. Idon't care that he has eight goals.
He should be at the All StarGame. He's one of the league's best
players. People go to watch obEchkin play games. Send him to the
All Star Game, and then fanvoting you wouldn't go anyways? This I
don't know, man, it's it'sthey got to get rid of it.
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If they brought the draft back,I guess that's cool. But like the
best thing, the best thing isthat we don't have to deal with this
for two more years after this becausewe'll have best on best in Olympics.
Yea, hopefully praying, praying,cross your fingers. One more thing on
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lease before we get to some ofthese hits that happened this week. We'll
talk about but but it's my oneof my three questions. We'll talk about
that later. Why don't you takethe whole show script for your three questions?
Huh? I have two? Well, gotcha. Don't worry Matt Murray.
It's sounds leaving announced that Matt Murraycould be good to go and we'll
(21:52):
be back this season. There's noway he said that. He did.
He said, he's said he's aheadof he said he's a head of Scout
Joe, but he's got a waysto go. But here's here's his exact
quote. He's got a ways togo. But everything has been really positive
and in terms of no setbacks,he has been on track and things are
going well. Oh that's the lead, that's the Leaf Savior. But you
(22:14):
know what's gonna happen. I'm guaranteeinga setback here. He has to say
this to protect the l T IR. Scandals. Yeah, he's on
Roboto Island, so he can't.Yeah, I know. But when I
saw it, I was just like, oh man, this is so scripted.
This is so scripted. It's gonnabe like, Oh, Matt Burray's
he's up back practicing in that aweek before playoffs. Oh, you gotta
(22:37):
setback. He's out for the season. Crazy. Yep, it's gonna be
that, you know, it's gonnabe that. The New Year. Since
the New Year, there has beena ton of hits that have just made
me shake my head. Get startedwith Nick Cousins Brillian vellamacky, Well,
(22:59):
he's down and just slamming his headinto the boards, and I loved every
minute of it. Later on inthe game when Jason Sucker completely clobbers Cousins
from behind. Good. Perfect.But the problem is Cousins got away with
nothing under three games and I andI'm I'm so puzzled by this. And
(23:23):
Bixa really called him outside blasted him. Good for him, because he's had
it coming. He turtles every singletime. Yeah, and it is it's
pathetic. He's hurting people and theleague does nothing about it. And I
think that the Raffi Tore's examples isamazing. Well, why why is the
league not doing anything about I don'tknow. I don't know. Because this
(23:47):
guy, this says the first timehe's done it, either he does he
about ended Gabranson's life earlier this year. Yeah, like, what are what
are we doing? Why is thisbeing allowed? And part of me wonders,
when does a Florida Panthers management orplayer on the Florida step in and
say, dude, we're not protectingyou anymore? Yeah, or like we've
(24:10):
talked about the player's safeties inconsistency atlength on this podcast, at length.
But here's another thing I don't understandabout players safety. How about they always
protect, they always protract, protectthe perpetrator, and disregard the victim.
Both guys are in the both guysare in the PA. What in the
(24:30):
hell? Yeah, what about thepoor guy that's hurt now? Yeah,
but when Jason Zucker did that,I have so much more respect for that
guy. Now. Yeah, itwas dirty what he did and he deserved
three games. Yeah I deserve threegames. But cousins, you know what,
I guarantee all the money that heloses in those three games, all
the players in the league are buyinghim beers and State dinner next time they
(24:52):
see him. Yeah, the wholeLeague's the whole league. I was like
when I was like when Brandon pressedspirits Brad Marshawn and then that's that and
you're like, oh, yeah,there we go. The other controversy that
happened this week they got blood's boilingeverywhere, was when it was Saturday night.
(25:14):
And in a rivalry that's just reallyreally out of control right now,
the Winnipeg Jets in a little whiledefense they play each other in the playoffs.
Oh my god, it is likethe best rivalry right now. Brandon
Dylan cross checks wild Carill Caprice offtwice and he hurts him. He gets
a week to week upper body injury. And then on Sunday they play and
(25:34):
Ryan Hartman takes goal for Fetti inthe face and and Coffetti goes to the
media and says that Hartman told himit was coming. It's retribution for the
Caprice off. You heard our star, I heard we hurt you. Hartman
gets fined four thousand and four andtwenty. It's because maybe it's because they
(25:59):
couldn't use they couldn't use the videoor the miked up audio that it's a
rule in the c bay you can'tto protect the players, can't use that,
you can't use that against players.But and I and I don't disagree
with that, but I still thinkit's like, why even find somebody four
thousand dollars if you're gonna find,so just leave. But that goes back
to the protecting the players. Butthen on sports Net the other night,
(26:22):
did you see the argument? AndI loved it. I loved it.
Listen, man, I don't know. Props the gem bottlel for for just
for standing in there and going upagainst the old boy from the Old Boys
Club. Do you think she's right? I see both sides. I see
(26:45):
both sides. I don't know.It was it was pretty dirty. But
once one part of me says,why we picked? Why? Why pick?
Why did you pick for Freddy?Why didn't you is a youngster?
Why didn't you do that to Shifeyor somebody on the like or the retribution
would be more strifle? I guessright, But it was so it was
(27:07):
so dirty, know god, Butyou know what, here's what I like
about this. Okay, we justsaid it in the when we were talking
about the cousins. This league isbetter when the players protect each other,
right, Well, yeah, theygame plaices itself eventually. It's not like
a police sing it though. Andwhen Jennifer Boterhoo went down this rabbit hole,
I'm like, you know, there'sa difference between women's hockey and men's
(27:32):
hockey, and this is one ofthem. Right, this is professional sports.
Like I'm serious, Like if myif my star is getting run,
I'm going after your star. It'sjust way it is. Yeah, But
I don't. I don't agree withto adding somebody in the face. I
just I don't. I don't hefind he didn't even he had no regard
of winning the face off. Fuckdrop right in the teeth ball, it's
(27:56):
bullshit. It's that's that's off.Doesn't belong in the game. I don't.
I don't care if it's REI whyOkay, So let me ask you
a question. If you want togo to on the guy in the back
the legs, go for it.You want to back you want to slash
him in the go for it.Don't. Don't. Don't stick a guy
in the face on purpose like that. Well, the league didn't do anything
(28:17):
about it because they couldn't. Whybecause they said they would. They said
they can spend him because if theycouldn't use audio, yes, the audio,
they can use the video. Theysaw him spear him right in the
face. I don't know, man, it's silly. You can't. You
can't use the audio, but theycan. That's not what they're asking.
(28:38):
They don't. How many suspensions dowe see a year where there's no audio.
It's like just the hit, yeahright, But the league doesn't do
that. So and that's why thishappens. When you don't police it.
This is what the result that youget. But I love that argument.
I thought it was amazing. Wehaven't had an argument like that on TV
(29:00):
in a long time. But itdidn't it make for good TVs. Fired
up sports? That sports that's overhere tweeting popcorn a mode. I click
on. I'm like, oh no, is this And all a sudden,
I was like, pop my feetup, all right, tune in for
this five and a half band debate. And I was like, all right,
that's good. Uh one quick thing, will you said? You want
to wait for the badard thing forthree questions. We'll get to that.
(29:22):
Yeah, did you see uh?Philip Thomasino slew foot Calgary defenseman Dennis Gilbert
the other night. I did notknow. I did not see that.
Slew puts him going into the boards, kicks his back legs out from underneath
him and gets a two minute penaltyand Gilbert is out now completely knocked him
(29:44):
out on the ice because he hithe went straight back and hit his head.
Yeah, you get taken off ona stretcher. No, they got
They got him off, but hewas in la la land all the way
off the ice. But uh uh, you know, I just I don't
know, like sloop, what's sortof one of those things where it's like
it's pretty easy to see the video, you know, well that's a formnutet
(30:04):
Penley too. Slew footing just goeson called and it's like, come on,
I just did they call it trippingor slow footing? That's a good
question. I should look that up. They probably called slew footing's four minutes,
Yeah they they probably called it tripping. But not a good look.
(30:25):
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(30:45):
for three questions. It's time forthree questions. All right, now you
get the full I asked three questionslast week. You get it this week.
And evidently you took half of mycontent from the script today for these
three questions. So these better besome damn good yay. First of all,
(31:07):
question what is your overall thoughts onthe Barnard had? Like? That's
what? What was your overall thoughts? You want to know my honest thing.
I feel awful that a young kidin the league, it's a superstar
is out with a broken job.That being said, this is a completely
legal hit and the reason this happenedis completely Connor Bdard's fault. Head down.
(31:34):
In the WHL, you can jimmyjob through the middle with your head
down, and if you're Connor Bdard, you'll be able to get around those
guys. Well, in the NHLit doesn't work that way, and the
big defenseman Smith let guard run intohim. Basically, yeah, completely legal
check. I thought what Luke Richardsonsaid after it was as classy as you're
(31:56):
ever going to get from an NHLcoach. Yeah, it's an unfortunate thing.
I thought Folino did the right thing. It's unfortunate that he breaks a
finger defending him. He was oneof those you had to fight. Yeah,
I thought, all in all,quite honestly, it was. It's
just a hockey. It's a hockeyplay. It's the bad result, that's
what it is. What I don'tunderstand though, and who knows, Maybe
(32:19):
he'll be back soon. Like,don't players play with broken jaws a lot?
Yeah, I mean you probably puta bubble on, but maybe Yeah,
well, every fracture is different though, like every like, I don't
know if he has to get hisjaw wired shot and I don't shot.
I don't either, but I knowplayers have played with John's wired shot.
Yeah, I don't know. Thatkind of caught me off guard a little
(32:40):
bit. But it's just an unfortunateresult on one hundred percent clean hit.
And uh, yeah, we'll thinktwice this will help his career. Yeah,
oh, you'll twice before I enterin the zone with his head down.
Yes, okay, So Neilander signsan extension, k so this summing
or Mitch Marner and John Tavares areeligible to sign extensions. Okay, what
(33:07):
what would you do if you wereBradstree living and how would you approach that?
Because you can't afford to keep everybody. There's no way they're signing Tavares
can't afford to and I don't thinkthey can sign Marner. I think they're
gonna have to the I think theypicked their guy. I think they picked
their So I could see Tavares signingfor a very, very very team friendly
(33:31):
deal. Why would he do thatbecause it's in his hometown and he wants
to help the team win. Hewants to win a Stanley Cup, I
hope, yeah. So why whywouldn't you sign for less? You're about
to be what thirty four years old? Toronto has fielded one of the best
rosters in the National Hockey League threeyears in a row in that one,
(33:51):
I know. So what makes youthink that's going to change this here and
next year? Well, you gotto you gotta get you gotta get some
players to take some less money here, like that's the problem. What Okay,
then, why didn't you under takeless money? I think that that's
pretty fair value for him. Whydid he take less? Like I don't
(34:12):
know the team. Why don't thinkI don't think Matthews is worth thirteen two
five. So while he's one ofthe best players, he's got a better
chance of a Vetkin beating Gretzky.Yeah, he's higher than him. So
what I mean, how do youargue that? It's like I think I
think that Honestly, I think theLeafs are gonna I think the Leafs are
gonna visit a Kneelander trade this summer, Like I are not a Kneelander trade,
(34:37):
sorry, a Marder trade this summer. I think they're gonna I think
they're gonna sit down and then you'regonna look at their options. They can
afford him. Uh now I'm sayingthey're gonna trade. They're gonna trade,
Marty. I know what you're saying. But here's the deal, though,
what are you going to get inreturn? Because the trade and they trade
him. If you trade him thissummer a lot for him, you got
(35:00):
a lot, But you can't getanything that costs money. Why can't you?
He makes ten point nine mil forthe next two years, Blake,
They've got They've they've got sixty nextyear. They've already got accounted for sixty
two. Okay, if you canturn Marner, if you can turn Marner
(35:22):
into a five six million dollar defensemanand and pick some prospects, I think
you do it. They've got they'vegot thirty three million dollars for seventeen players,
I know. And you got toget a goalie one of these years.
Right, Well, we'll see.I don't know. They're they're in
big trouble. They're they're in bigtrouble. Top th I got, I
(35:45):
got four questions to say, Sowe're gonna do four questions. What was
your thoughts on on the cutter gowith Ya for Jamie Jays Dell Swap.
Did you see that? Yeah,cutter go with you. A drafted last
year by the Flyers in the firstround went up to tour around and said,
hey, can't wait to player foryou can't wait to be a Philadelphia
(36:07):
Flyer. Then all of a sudden, now he doesn't want to sign.
He avoided, he didn't talk tothem, and now they turned a disaster
situation into a really really good righthanded defenseman. Then Jamie drives to like,
I think Danny Brier did a hellof a job. Absolutely, he's
(36:28):
getting something that he had Delta,he got Delta shipthand is what happened.
And he's different from Adam Foxing andCalgary years ago. Well, it's almost
like the it hasn't turned out great, but it's kind of like the Ka
Chuck the tree living in Calgary.Could Ki Chuck wanted out and they turned
it in and turn it into thatthat hasn't turned out horribly because Wiger is
one of the better defensemen in theleague. Hasn't turned out. No,
(36:52):
they agree, but but Viger wasa throw in, right and then he
got then he got then he gotthat coal whatever any name is in the
first Yes, yeah, so yeah. I thought it was just an interesting
trade. I didn't know all thedetails when I first saw him, like
why would they trade? I waslike, why would they trade Carter Goce?
Then I read it's like, ohhe refused to play there. I
(37:14):
was like, Okay, that makessense. But if you're Anaheim, though,
if you're Anaheim, you got yougot Mace McTavish, catter GoChi down
the middle, you got you gotsecrets. Now, like that's a young,
lost good defenseman. There they gotthey got but that, but they
got the Rise of that Mitchikov,the Mitchikov dinon. I think that I
(37:34):
think that made him a little bitexpendable. There's no way a right handed
defenseman's expendable ever for the right price. You're a good player. Yeah,
but he's an unproven player, rightHe's in college for sure, That's what
I'm saying. Yeah, Okay,Question four or three B maybe feel to
(37:57):
do if the Jets are missing anything? What is it? Luck?
No? Lock? What do youmean, Lock? What are they missing?
You're you're shaking your crystal ball forthe Winnipeg Jets. What do they
add? What do they need?Chris Tadiff, You been talking to my
(38:19):
dad? No, he just saidthe same thing to me today. That
was a good question. We hadit. We had a good heat of
debate. We had a good heateddebate. They also need Luck, well,
they need they. If I'm shakinga crystal ball, I'm shaking for
Kyle Carter to get back asap.I feel I feel like the Winnipeg Jets
and I cheer for them. Ifeel like the Winnipeg Jets. Every time
(38:40):
they get into the playoffs, somethinggoofy happens. Yea, they get unlucky
and I I tooted this horn foryears that you know, they're a top
contending team, and this year Ihad them in the playoffs and I know
a lot of people wrote them offthis year, and I just thought I
just had a weird feeling about thisteam this year when they got like Hella
(39:00):
Buck and I just no one sawthat coming, you know, if I
think back, and I'm as guiltyone was like, oh, like,
what are they gonna do. They'regonna rebuild, retool. Then boom they
signed those two out of the gate. It's like, okay, everybody and
people argued it too, They werelike, oh, I don't know,
that's a good idea. Yeah,I mean it was a good idea.
And that is the one signing whenI look back in the last five years,
right, that is the one signingthat shocked me more than anything.
(39:23):
Which one the hell a Buck Shifyextensions? Yeah, because both players said
they wanted out. I don't knowthey said that publicly. Well, they
did not make any emotions or notionsthat they wanted to be there. Let's
put it that way. Yeah,and then boom, that signing's hit,
(39:43):
And I know it shocked you too, But I mean that that was a
signing. Then when I look backon it, I'm like, wow,
I did not see that coming.Yeah, yeah, what are you saying?
Great minds think like your dad andI is that what you're trying to
think? Yes, I don't know. I don't know. All right,
I got a listener question for you. That's an interesting one. The Professional
(40:07):
Women's Hockey League is off to agreat start. What is the one move
that this league cannot make if theywant to sustain long term success that they
cannot make it? Cannot make thismove, It'll kill it. That's my
paraphrase. Ah, that's a Ithought it was. I wasn't prepared.
(40:31):
I wasn't prepared for that. No, I know that, So I don't
tell you the listener question before Ihad time to think about it. I've
come up with two. I don'tknow. I have no idea. Okay,
here's my two. I think thefirst thing, and I'm cheering for
this league. Yeah, but thefirst thing is they cannot grow too quickly.
(40:53):
Right, that's a good point.The AHL was out at six teams
for a long time. The secondthing, it is in the utmost importance
that they develop cool jerseys and nicelogos, and by the team names,
yes, and team names by theby the beginning of next season. You
grow your brand. Gotta get thebrand go. The third thing, and
(41:16):
this probably is the most important,second being don't grow too quick. The
women's game, as much as ithurts feelings, is never gonna withstand the
popularity or even come close to thepopularity of the men's game that we've watched
(41:37):
for a hundred years. Don't tryto compare yourself, don't try to be
close. Try to be yourself.They got to build your build your own
try to be yourself. You're notgonna make big money and it's oh hey,
look at the Canadian Football League.It's oh hey, yeah, see
(42:00):
who you are. And build yourbrand. Yeah, and it will be
sustainable. Sustainable, that's what youneed to go for. Sustainable. Yeah,
I agree, I agree with that. There's a lot of hockey talk.
We're good on time though, fortytwo forty three minutes. That's good.
(42:23):
We're back again next week and Iam betting next week that we are
going to happen. So I justgot a gut feeling. It's just my
guests, my guest, but it'sgeeding to be that time of year.
And I think next week we aregoing to have a break talking about I
(42:45):
hope you're right, I talking trades. Can we get some breaking news every
once in a while, Man,I always be looking at my bone new
nothing. It's always after the fall, always after the part, always and
then we got to wait another weektalk about it. Oh yeah, sworrow
the tradill come. Maybe the trailpeople a nice to get the kneelander signing
before good time. All right,hockey fans, enjoy this week's hockey action.
(43:08):
We're back again next week. Moregreat hockey talk. Hockey talk every
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