January 16, 2024 • 45 mins
THE DEBATE - Hockey Podcast – Episode 240 – Winnipeg Jets: Flyin at the Top of the Central Host- Brad Burud @BradBurud
Co-Host- Blake Friars @FriarsBlake
--- EPISODE 240 ---
Mid-season Shock – Winnipeg Jets lead the Central Division
AROUND THE NHL: Loser Leafs, Power Pacific, Merzlikins wants out, Foligno Extended, Zegras Out and Ass Jerseys
3 Questions
Listener Questions: Should the Detroit Red Wings resign or trade Patrick Kane?
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--- EPISODE 240 ---
Mid-season Shock – Winnipeg Jets lead the Central Division
AROUND THE NHL: Loser Leafs, Power Pacific, Merzlikins wants out, Foligno Extended, Zegras Out and Ass Jerseys
3 Questions
Listener Questions: Should the Detroit Red Wings resign or trade Patrick Kane?
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(00:21):
It is time for some NHL hockeytalk. It is time for the Debate
Hockey podcast. I so glad joinedlong like the Friars and last week,
you know, Blake, we startedthe show by Hockey a day. Yeah,
yeah, I was listening to theshow after. I'm like, are
we like a bunch of eighty yearold guys like talking about the weather?
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Like seriously, we talked for fiveminutes about the weather. I will say
this week, though it's been brutal, it's just it's new levels of cold.
It's uh man. I grew uphere in my whole life and I
can't remember a time where it wasjust cold like I I honestly like it
was like yesterday yesterday, Yeah,yesterday, driving home from Vagina, I
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went to a giant for to watcha couple of WHL games, and my
battery idea new battery wouldn't even startto get boosted. It was just like,
it is brutal, So how toget a new battery. It was
minus fifty two with the windshill inSkatchowan yesterday. It's just ridiculous. Same
in the Dakotas, the Skatoan praidsand the Dakota Prairies, it's right now,
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it's so bad. And then Buffalo, it's going look, look what's
going on. Buffalo not anymore,but the last couple of days it was
brutal there. But uh yeahd annovel weather tacking. We did this last
week and I made fun of us, and now we're doing it again this
week. Yeah, I'm not sure. Last week, you know, during
the show, we discussed the trade, the Drysdale trade for Cutter go To
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and you know, we kind oftouched on it, and I don't know
why. When we were doing theshow, I just didn't I feel like
it was that big of a deal. And the more I've thought about it
since then, it's like, youknow, that's a fairly substantial trade,
right, interesting trade created some controversy. I hate it when players say they
don't want to play for a team, and I hated it more when he
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says, well, I don't wantto play for the team, and I'm
not saying why. It's like,well, what, like what are you
doing? Like I don't know.I mean like we talked like I talked
about last week. I mean,you got to give credit to Danny Brier
for turning the disgruntled asset and thatJamie dries Down a second round pick,
So that's a great, great Ithink it'll be a win win trade in
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the end, because I think cutof coach is a he's gonna be a
good player. But that's a thathas the makings to be a hockey trade
down the road, like a youtrade for a defenseman and uh and Anaheim
gets a more center depth down themiddle, A much bigger trade than I
probably gave it credit, if thatmakes sense. Hey, have you ever
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seen too many two too many menon the ice penalties called at the same
time. No, I don't thinkso. I didn't. I didn't see
it. I went back and watchedit. But I saw the tweet Boston,
Colorado last I think it was lastMonday night or Tuesday night, get
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called for too many men on theice at the same time. Off to
go look that up. That's wild, unreal, unreal. I couldn't believe
it. Hey, is there anythingbetter in hockey than the dad's trips?
No, that's that's Uh. Seemsto have sparked the old flames too.
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I don't know if it was thatthey were going a little bit before that,
but I mean, it's just goodto get them on. Yet,
even the mom strips are cool too, Like I like all those trips,
Like there's some teams that do likesiblings trips and stuff like that, So
yeah, those are always fun towatch for sure. It's just I don't
know something special about going to theFlames Dad's tying the skates in the before
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the Calgary really did it right.They really did it right. Yeah,
it was literally cool. Lots totalk about on the show today, we're
gonna talk about the Winnipeg Jets andhow they have surprised the whole hockey world
and flown to the top of theCentral Division. Surprise. Hold on surprised,
Well, you wanted to pull theprictions out, Blake, I believe
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you had them. Yeah, outof the playoffs, Okay, but it's
not surprising. It's not nobody hadwin a peg winning the Central Listen what
he did. It's not okay,but they have a they have a good
team, though absolutely not surprising Vancouver, where Vancouver is way more surprising than
Winnipeg. We've already talked about Vancouverfifty times this year, Okay, but
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it's not like at the at thisat this stage, it's not surprising anymore.
It's not surprising anymore. You hadthem out of the playoffs. Okay,
that's fine, But I also andI wouldn't be surprised if this team
was top of the top three inthe division. They're a good team.
We'll see, but we're gonna talkabout that. Then we'll talk about the
loser Leafs, the Power Pacific,Verzleikuns wants out, Flino extended, Zegris
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is injured, and some total assjerseys. All right, we started the
argument early because you got to argueabout everything. Winnipeg. Winnipeg currently as
we record this on Monday night,sits a top of the Central Division with
sixty points, one better than theColorado Avalanche I think are playing right now.
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But as we record this day,are sitting atop the Central And I
know you say it's not a surprise, even though you didn't pick them to
make the playoffs, which wouldn't makeit a surprise. So yeah, that
wouldn't make it a surprise. Thisteam is on a roll, eight one
and one in their last ten.Up until Saturday, they had an eight
game waiting streak that got snapped bya pretty damn good, surprising. We're
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gonna talk about them in a littlebit, Philadelthia Flyers team. Yeah,
but this team is getting top endgoaltending, top end goaltending. Yeah.
Well, I mean Carl Hellbuck's oneof the best in the league right and
what was right there too they gotwas point nine to four and has got
a point nine two three. Yeah, it's it's probably it's up there for
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tandems. I mean up there.I think it would be the top with
the who top the top three arethe top three in the standings right now.
I bet I would say I wouldsay, uh, Vancouver, Boston,
Winnipeg have the three best times inthe league right now, in no
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particular order, in no particular order, Like i'd probably give the nod to
Winnipeg right now for or even ifyou went in order, because I think
it's been a big part, notthe only part. You're getting good production
from Schifley, Eelers. Morris,So he's he's hurt. Did he come
back? Who he played? Shiflyhe's still out. He's out right now.
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It sounds like he's day to day. Possible return on Saturday. Yeah,
so he'll keep something to keep aneye for sure. But Morrisey's elevated
his game. It's it's kind ofweird, how like think about this though,
Like they're doing all of this KyleConnor, like he leads the team
and scoring, right, that's that'spretty that's pretty scary that they're they're chugging
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along here without without Connor, likehe he drives the bus, like Shifly's
the guy, he's the centerman.Kyle Connor drives the bus right and twenty
six games and leads the team andgoals still still Yeah, he's due to
be back late January. Yeah,is from his knee injury, but yeah,
he leads a team with seventeen goals. Shafely leads a team with twenty
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seven assists. Yeah, leads sayfullyforty one points, but like, who
saw this? Dylan Demelo plus twentysix? What he's good? He's good
man. He plays he plays withMorrissey, does he not? You want
to hear something really really crazy?This team is twenty sixth in penalty kill.
Yeah, you're doing this being thetwenty sixth ranked team in the penalty
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kill. It's their power play twentythird. That's amazing. They're winning and
they're winning some close games. They'rewinning the hard way. They're winning the
hard way. Yeah, they couldget that power player. I don't know
if that's sustainable though, that badspecial team too, I know, I
know, I know, but eventuallysomething's got to give. There were halfway
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point right now, I know,still clicking along. So yeah, I
would say that would be my commentto it too. I'd agree with you,
is it sustainable? But every timeI think they're gonna start, you
know that, you know, Hey, wait, is it sustainable? You
know what it is? They're aspecial team. No, I'm talking about
their special team, like winning withthat bad of special team. You know,
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but if you continue to get goodgoaltending, that's how you do it
right right? No, Yeah,they're goaltending flaws, a lot of the
state, a lot of what's itcalled flaws, A lot of uh,
a lot of mistakes, hides flaws, hides flaws. There we go other
teams. There's some other teams onsome killer streaks. Edmonton ten oh to
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zero, ten wins in a row, franchise record for the Edmonton others.
That honestly surprises me. I justI was like, franchise record. I'm
like Kratzky Coffee. Uh messy A. I'm like, this team didn't win
more than ten in a row.Yeah, but you guys remember back then
they were not good at defense.I'm a lot like this team. Yeah,
but they scored seven eight to night. I don't grand fear let in
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seven. Hey, listen, I'lladmit it. I will give Darnell nurses
flowers. And I think that PaulCoffee's helped him a lot. I think
he's his game. His defensive gamehas grown a lot. Like I've watched
a lot of the Oilers, it'sgrown a lot. He's been a lot
better. Bouchard is getting better.It's still not ideal. Bouchard's still got
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a ways to go. But isDonald Ners gonna live up to his nine
point two five a year. No, but he was in the first two
weeks of the season. I thinkhe's in a place right now though where
he's he's manageable. He's manageable.I would agree. I would agree.
I think Paul Coffee's helped him alot. Yeah, that's a boat.
When it started to change too.Stuart Skinner has a I think he has
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like a nine to fifty on thisnine fifty percentage on this streak, so
he got I don't care how goodyou are offensively without you don't know,
you're not gonna So Skinner looks likehe's turned the corner. There, there's
a there's a lot of goalies thatthey're starting to turn the corner. You
got Marksman Calgary playing playing Berry.He's one of his last four starts.
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Yep, that's good. It's goodnews for you. Florida. Florida's also
won a nine game heater all today. They lost the last two I think,
yeah, they lost, but Imean nine and one in the last
I mean up until today. Yeah, you mentioned Winnipeg, Colorado's eight one
and one, Vancouver seven to twoand one, and hey, the Carolina
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Hurricanes back there's seven to one andtwo. Uh yeah, that's uh seven
to two and one. Oh youmight have screenshoted this last night, but
yeah, so yeah, no,this Carolina is slowly starting to figure it
out and got more injuries to goaltenderslike it's, oh my god, I
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don't know. It's a lot ofadversity of that team's faces here for sure.
Seattle they're on a roll too.I mean, lots of good teams,
you know, and I sat andI thought about it. I'm like,
all right, we're at the midseason point, and what grades would
you give teams. I'm not goingto go through every team, but I'm
gonna throw out a couple and Iwant you to give me a letter grade
like we were back in fifth gradehere, okay, on what what that
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team would be? What do youwhat do you give the Tampa Bay Lightning?
I will give Tampa Bay. I'llgive Tampa Bay a B plus really
because they were without their starting goaltenderfor the first six weeks of the season
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and they're somehow still there. Right. We both thought at the start of
the year, no Vassilski, thisteam might run into some problems, and
here they are in a wildcard spotover halfway through the year. So give
them a C plus. I mightbe like that with how Vassie for I
think he has twenty games. That'sa lot. It's a lot. So
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what do you give the Edmonton Oilers? Well, this is a like this
is an inflated grade right now becausethey're hot, but at one point of
the season they're probably the D minus. Yeah almost f right, And now
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now wouldn't you now yeah, Iprobably say B B minus like they're they're
figuring it out. I mean,we all expect that I picked them to
win the Stanley Cups, so atleast to not make me look like a
clown right now, which is good. What would you put for the New
York Islanders. Oh, that's athat's just a weird team. Like it's
I have Actually I've watched a lotof the Islanders the past week because they've
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just been on and I've I've watchedthem and you got guys leaving the bench
before the game, and it's justI don't know, man, it's I'm
weird. That's weird. Givem aC. I give like a C minus
something like that as two. Yeah, what do you give the La Kings?
That's another That team is a disasterand they've lost eight in a row,
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which is so surprising. And therethey I believe they won today.
They're picking up they're picking up points. But huh, listen, Brad fives
to tell you two months ago thatthe La Kings two months in the future
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would lose eight. They just wontoday. Yep, they just snapped their
eight game lose strig today that theOilers two months ago, where they were
at would make up fifteen points intwenty games on the Kings, I would
say, you're absolutely insane. Buthere we are. Here we are.
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I didn't think the Oilers were gonnasniff third place. That's how that's how
far back they were. I didn't. Would it surprised me if they did
harve percent. But they were sobad they were like twenty points out of
third. Now they're they're three.Well, I mean you gotta look at
what's happened too, though, Likewhen La goes cold and they lose eight
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and Edmonton wins ten. I meanthat's not a lot. That's a lot
of games. Well here they thinkthe thing about the if you're a Kings
fan, at least you're managing yourlosses here, Like you got eight overtime
losses. You got four overtime losseson that streak of eight lose streets,
so you're still picking up some points. But yeah, it's it's not been
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ideal for sure. You two fourand four in their last ten and a
little bit of a struggle buss.So what would you give the New York
Rangers. New York's a good team. They are, They're a really good
team. I would probably get anA minus. Yeah, I would say
they're right in that. I wouldsay yeah, I would say maybe an
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A. I mean they're right.I mean they're they're leading their division.
That's kind of where we thought theywould be too. But they're doing it.
You know, we thought we hadthem right up there with Carolina.
Yeah, yeah, they're they're they'redefinitely right there. So what would you
do the Buffalo Sabers. Oh,I watched them against Vancouver the other day
and boy, this this team justlooks lifeless. They got other than Thompson,
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they got no game breakers. Theirgoaltending is inconsistent. They take stupid
penalties. Is this what you getwhen you rebuild a hockey team? How
long have we been rebuilding? Though? Eventually you gotta take a next step.
Well, we've been talking for fouryears. We've been we've been pounding
the damn table for Buffalo to takea step. Here we go, here
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they're coming, they're coming. Lastthree years and there's still the there's still
the start line. They haven't therace car hasn't hasn't moved. The engine's
kind of revving. The engines kindof revved on the race car to get
gone on this track. But it'sall it's sucking neutral. The driver hasn't
put it in drive yet. SoI'm gonna I'm gonna make a point here,
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and I'm probably gonna catch some blackfor this. Oh, but here
we go. Buckle your seat belts. Okay, I'm listening. I think
you might agree with me. Ilook at teams like the Los Angeles Kings.
I look at teams like the VancouverCanucks weren't going in the right direction
two three years ago at all.No, they didn't tear down to the
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studs. They didn't tank and geta number one. They picked away at
it. They rebuilt, They keptsome key parts, they slid in some
UFAs, they made a few trades, they had a few prospects hit,
they plugged in pieces, and nowthey're I don't want to say Cup contenders,
but right in the in the inthe top of that right. Yeah.
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You look at teams like Ottawa andBuffalo, who went the tear down
to the studs. We're gonna dothe old Pittsburgh Penguins way, and look
where they're at. The fan basesalways say that, oh, we want
to rebuild, we want to rebuild, we want to rebuild. No,
they don't want to be care Yougotta be careful with that word, though.
You gotta be careful with that word. What do you mean? What
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what Vancouver did? It wasn't arebuild, that was a retool. So
my what my point is is thatI don't think a rebuilds a way to
go. I think retooling is away to go. Listen, well,
okay, let's let's look at Vancouver. Hold on, hold on, yeah,
but hold on. The Rangers alsogot lucky in the draft lottery with
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two number one picks. Hey,it's part of the retool. That's the
prospects of I'm just saying. Youcan say that about Vancouver, right,
They didn't get first overro picks.Head, a couple of draft picks hit
right, right, different, there'sno difference, you get. That's but
it's easier. Okay. So youlook at like, if you have a
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number one center, a number oned man, and a number one goalie
to build your team around, it'sa little easier to plug and plug and
play places in here. Okay,La didn't have a goalie. No,
hold on, we're talking about Autohere. Okay, does Autoba have a
number one goalie? Right now.That's what I'm saying. They haven't drafted
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and developed a goalie. Name methe last team that drafted and developed a
goalie. We already went over this. We've already been over this. How
many of them? I was talking? Who was I talking to? I
was talking to somebody. I wastalking to somebody in. Over half of
the teams in the NHL have adrafted and or developed goaltender. Over half,
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yeah, why would Okay, let'ssee here, Boston, Toronto,
oh god, Wall was drafted,drafted, Rangers, Philadelphia, UH,
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Tapa Bay, Pittsburgh, Buffalo,Montreal, Columbus, all the bottom beams
here, Winnipeg, Winnipeg, Dallas, Vancouver, UH, Nashville, Edmonton.
Uh, they drafted Stuart Skinner.Okay, Saint Louis, Minnesota,
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let's see Saint Lewis. You're you'rewrong on Saint Louis. Bennington wasn't drafted.
What are you talking about? Notdrafted by the Blues. Okay,
they still developed them, Brad,he still developed them. Oh my god,
stop it, I'm serious. Minnesotadeveloped developed Gusson, John Gibson,
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John Gibson over the raft. Iwin the arguments. Over half. I
said half. They didn't draft him. Okay, I said, drafted or
developed? Well, okay, soyou can say that about any player.
Then just saying, okay, dothey have a number one center? No,
they don't. They have a goodwinger. They have a bunch of
good wingers. They had a numberone. And do they have a good
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who Buffalo? No, we're talkingabout Ottawa. We're on Ottawa. Well,
I mean ott always got some.I mean he aways got ATMA's got
good pieces, but they're all they'reall wingers. Josh Norris is not a
number one center. So Vancouver didn'tget any of their centers through the draft.
All these Petterson died, what areyou talking about? One? They
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got one? Okay, what areyou talking about, dude, I'm saying
my point is, Blake, I'mnot talking about drafting goalies. I'm talking
about the tearing your team down hasnot been in the last ten years in
the National Hockey League. Carrying yourteam to the studs has not been as
successful as retooling like the Rangers,not Kings. I mean, if you
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tear, if you tear down,it all depends on what pillars you have
as your foundation. Okay, well, unless you draft the most and Orosby
you're not going to be successful.Like for Vancouver, it's a little easier
to retool when you got Peterson,Hughes and Demco as your three pillars.
Well, then maybe Buffalo shouldn't havetore down so far. Yeah, there
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there is an argument for that forsure, right, I mean you had
Jack Eichel. Yeah, well heasked for a trade. When a guy
wants out and a guy doesn't wantto be there, it's hard. It's
hard to argue that they agree.But he probably wouldn't have asked for a
trade if you put him in abetter situation. Right. They didn't put
enough players around him, and Iagree with that. But if if a
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player doesn't want to be there andyou don't want to do this and you
don't want to do the surgery thatthe player wants, it's like, well
that's another that's another factor in this, you know. I mean, I'm
just looking at it purely in successrate. The last team that tore down
and was successful was the Pittsburgh Penguins. That's a long time ago. Yeah.
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Well, they also got lucky winningthe lottery and getting Crosby and then
getting Mulk in the year out ofthe year before. I agree, but
that was part of the rebuild,right, right, But Crosby, Crosby,
Calander Lap like all thirty teams hada chancey at Crosby and they won
the lotter because there's a lock ayear. Yep. But I'm just saying.
I'm just saying fan base is screamfor rebuilds. I think retools what
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they should be screaming for, right, Yeah, like you can't you can't
trade everybody. You can't trade.It doesn't work, like for Calgary Calgary
for instance, Okay, could youretool by retaining half on Markstrom, trading
Markstrom and trading Tanev and trading Lindholmand getting players in there but still having
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but still having Huberto and Caudrey andmaybe extending Hannifin around and help those kids
develop. I think that wouldn't bea bad idea. I think it'd be
great to extend Hannafan. You can'tretain on Markstroom when he has three years
left too, for the next twoyears? Why not? Why would you
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maximize your value? What do youmean? Why not? It's a great
goalie. Why would you trade him? Because now many teams can make six
mil fit in their cap, retainmore, get more assets back. Why
would Calgary want to trade him toget to get assets for the future.
What do you mean he's getting mewhat thirty four? Well? What about
next year? In the year after. I don't know, man, It's
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just like this is this deadline isgoing to make or break Calgary's next two
to three years. And what thedirection they're going in? Wait? Wait,
whoa wait what Calgary's got a lotof really good core parts, okay,
but one that chading marks from isthe best plan of action. I
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never said I would trade him.I said they might look to do that.
It's all I said. The returnwould have to be hillacious. You're
telling me, you're telling me Torontowouldn't give a kings ransom for him.
Right now? What would they givehalf retained? What would they give They're
not giving Marner up for the beforethe playoffs. It's not happening this year.
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This is a summer trade. Ifit happens, It's what I'm saying.
Toronto's got to do something. Torontohas to do something. Well,
let me ask you a question.Why would Calgary in the off season,
In the off season, why wouldCalgary, do Toronto a favor and retain
money on Marks to maximize their value. What I've been saying, what can
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Toronto give that Calgary was going to? I don't know, I don't know,
I don't sure. All I'm sayingis this off season, we are
going to know what the direction ofthe Calgary Flames is this off season or
No, a storry this deadline,this deadline because if they trade land Home,
Hanafin and Tanev, which is agood person. Need to tell you
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exactly what's gonna happen. Let metell you exactly what's gonna happen. They're
going to keep everybody and lose himfor free. No, No, they're
going to re sign han off It. They're going to keep Marks from because
that would be the smart thing todo. They're going to trade tan Of
and get a fairly decent return,a pretty darn good return, I think.
I think right now, I thinkyou get more for than n him
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right now. They're going to tradelind Holman. They're gonna get it underwhelming
yeah return. Yeah, and that'sall of them. The rest are gone,
is that Off's gone, Like,I, uh, what do you
do? And I would extend Hannathan. I would I would be comfortable giving
him an eight year deal. Iwould he like anybody, he's twenty six,
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he's twenty six, twenty seven,I think six to eight in that
range. He's not doing it withouteight because somebody else is going to give
him eight or seven, Right,So I mean why why? Like he's
a minute eat. I think hehas the third most minutes in the league.
So he's a horse back there.You gotta sign guys like that.
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That's a that's a pillar piece.He can build her team round. Yeah,
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show. I'm to go around leagueand we're gonna talk about the team we
just got done talking about, notthe Calgary Flames. We're gonna talk about
the Toronto maple Leafs and three thirdperiod leads in a row that they blow
(27:37):
last night. They drop one toDetroit four to two after being up in
the third period. I don't understand. They were up three one on the
road against the Islanders, lost andovertime. They're up three nothing at home
to the Colorado Avalanche and they lostfive to three. And they're up two
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to one in the third period andlost to the De Troit Red Wings.
So really interesting. I want totouch on the comments made by weather head
coach after the Colorado game, tellingthe hockey world how wonderful McCarn mckinnonarr and
that they're on another level, whichthey. I do agree with him,
(28:19):
I mean I really do, butjust hearing it and what is how his
team would perceive his communication about thoseplayers when you just signed a guy to
eleven million dollar contract and almost hedidn't say it out right, but almost
hinted that their core isn't producing likethey need to produce. I felt the
(28:42):
conversation was very awkward. He's ah, he's a lock of the fine line.
Like he does. He's got someinteresting comments to come out of his
mouth. She's freaking true. It'strue, but this is an internal thing.
This is internal. There's nothing nothingyou can do as management that to
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help this. This is well there'sone thing you can do. This is
a repeating pattern. This is arepeating pattern that blowing leads, whether it's
the regular season or whether it's theplayoffs. How many times are we gonna
say this about the least? Thereis zero, zero, zero accountability in
that franchise right now. They donot none none, none. You want
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to send a message plan Marner fora couple shifts, like, come on,
a couple shifts, seriously, manlike, there's no like. I
remember one time, uh in Bankhe was Boston last year, Marner walked
down the hallway, he left thebench, walked down the hallway, came
back and didn't miss a shift.Listen, if I'm head coach and my
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player leaves bench, you're done.You're done the rest of the game.
I don't care if you're making elevenmillion bucks, you're if you're mentally checked
out enough to walk do on thehallway and have a little hazy fit and
of time out like come on,not happen. There's no accountability. And
these problems are going to continue tohappen. They're going to continue to blow
leads, and they're gonna continue topoint the finger at others until they fix
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themselves. Well, you know whatexacerbates the problem too, is when your
head coach is like petitioning for penaltycalls, like, yes, that was
a cross check on Nathan McKinnon.Our but ore Nathan McKinnon on assuming it
wasn't McKinnon Matthews cross check on Matthewsit was. It's just a miscall.
It's one happens all the time,all the time. It didn't take a
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scoring chance away, it didn't.I mean, I'm sorry, like I'm
tired of the poor baby Toronto mapleleaves that that. I don't understand it.
So if they're so worried about it, get somebody with a set of
nuts on their team to go takecare of the problem. Yeah, they
just get away. That's what theysigned Reeves for. I need, I
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need to rattle this off for you. I liked Brad Tree living when he
was in Calgary. I did.I thought he did a really good job.
He belts I did. I thoughtI for the most part. You
know, he had a few badsignings. But every GM, we can
go through the list, every GMhas a few goods and a few bads,
right, But as a whole inCalgary, thought Brad true living was
pretty good. He was his Whathe was best at was being able to
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sign guys like Anderson and you know, Lynn Holeman had pretty friendly deals,
right, team friendly deals, rightthat that was his strength. Okay,
but now since he's got to Toronto, I don't know if this dude drank
some bad water or something. Okay, he extends Sheldon Keith, He signs
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Klingberg for four point one five theone year though one year though one year.
I'm sorry, that's still too highfor him. He's on L T
I R now, so that doesn'tmatter. Well, it matters to the
management team. Reeves three years isat one point three to five, Camp
four years at two point four.Bertuosie gets five point five, samson Off
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gets three point five. Kneelander elevenpoint five for eight more years, Matthews
thirteen points. I mean, Ican't argue the Matthews and I think that's
pretty You can't argue about Matthews orKneelander. Well, I might argue about
Neelander. I think it's a tathigh, but we'll see. Time will
tell on that one. Right,that one's too early to throw a dagger.
But I look at these other ones, and I'm like, well,
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okay, here's where I think thatthe Kneelander one is. It's going to
cash strap them so much that's probablymore. Well, no, you can't
say that yet until you get thenumber in on tomors Tavars's history. Well,
unless he takes a huge hometown discount, why would you do that?
Now it's his hometown, he's thecaptain. He wants to deliver a cop
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there. I don't know. Wouldn'tyou take three mil to keep everyone together?
I would if you're not another he'sgonna be thirty, he's gonna be
thirty five. You don't need moneythree million. I don't know if they're
gonna be able to afford that.I don't know. Sixty two million of
eighty seven are listen. I'm tellingyou Mitch Marner has a no move clause
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that just kicked in this year.It might be time to approach Mitch and
say, hey, like, we'rethinking about move, we're thinking about moving
here. What if he says no, I'm saying it's an option. I'm
just saying it's an option for them. They have you have to look at
seriously considering trading Mitch Marner in theoffseason. Yeah, because what I would
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do. What I would do isI would move Mitch to a team,
get picks, some prospects, andmaybe one roster player back. Use use
the rest of the might you usethe rest of the money to get it
to build your defense. I don'tover your or trade Marner for ad defenseman.
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Oh yeah, he's got to bea pretty friendly content track defenseman.
Yeah, like Brett Pesse or something. Oh. Pacific divisions on fire lately,
yep, absolutely on fire. Laythe oilers, the crack and the
flames. Vancouver has been really good. I mean, just everybody's been good.
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Joey Decordy's been amazing for Seattle.Yeah, I don't know. I'm
really interested to see what happens inthe Pacific. It's been a lot of
fun to watch this the last twoweeks. Yep. Your thoughts on Merz
leakens in Columbus Now, there's lotsof talks, he says. I love
Columbus. I love these guys.I grew up here, but I'm not
a backup goaltender. Yep. Idon't know what happens here, but I
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think he's the first goalie moved hereis the problem though, and this is
absolutely no disrespect directed at all.If you can't earn more starts over Spencer
Martin, we have issues. Wehave a serious problem. Yep. I
agree, we have a serious problem. Yep. If he can't outperform a
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uh, long time AHL East CoastHockey League lifer who got a chance in
Vancouver and now earned a contract,good for him with the Columbus jacket.
I'm just saying, I know abackup contract who had stole the starter job.
What what what are we talking abouthere? You're not a backup.
You're not playing well, that's whyyou're not That's why you're a backup.
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You know, no shit, you'renot a backup. But right now you
ain't playing like a starter. Sowhat's the what? What's the issue here?
I'm with you. I agree,completely eased. I don't know man
Chicago extends to Nick Filino two yearsfour point five a v. And I
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thought it was slightly ironic that he'sbeen kind of a heart and soul guy
for Chicago and he was the guythat stood up for Connor Baard. I
heard mentoring Connor Baard, and nowhe gets an extension. I think they
go ahead, listen. I didyou listen to his press conference? I
did not know. It was amazing. He got asked like why he extended
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in Chicago when you're late in yourcareer and you want to go chase the
Stanley Company. He's like, He'slike, listen, man like. He
basically said that, you know,if you're trying to build a culture,
you can't just have guys guys leavingall the time. You got you gotta
stay and you gotta build. Andand he talked about how teams that are
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projected to do bad can do goodand you know, you can get hot
or whatever. So he just kindof went on. It was kind of
a really good interview, So itwas good. He's a guy that Buffalo
or Ottawa needed, right, Yeah, he's a or like I don't I
don't know, like I think hewould. I think if Toronto could have
a due over, they would haveextended in Yeah. I probably agree.
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Zegress goes down, he'll have surgery, will be out six to eight weeks.
That is tough. And in thesame game lately they lose uh Pavel
Minnikoff who suffered a separated shoulder.He's gonna woof Yeah, that's that's a
tough break for Zegres who just cameback and now he breaks his ankle.
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So yeah, a little bit ofa frustrating year for him and it sucks
for the for the game because he'selectric to watch one last thing before we
get onto three questions. All Starjerseys? Are these not the worst All
Star jerseys you've ever seen? Canwe just go back when mar players,
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your players just wore their own jerseys. Yeah, they did do that,
did not They did that in theskills, They never did that in games,
Are you sure? Yeah? Theyalways had a jersey, but they
were really cool jerseys back in theday. They were just like a white,
low white jersey with with the NHLlogo on the front. And then
I said Western and Eastern, Wellthey had that too, They had that
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too for quite some time. Butfor a long time, like back when
Lemieux and Gretzky played, it wasjust a white and a black, the
East Warld whatever, you know,the home team, whatever team was in
the like, you could you reallyrealistically could do that. You could the
home team whereas all their home allthe home jerseys, and the white team
wears white. Yeah, you couldlike, it's like that would be cool.
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You know, how much color wouldbe on the ice would be awesome?
This is it's bad. And whenI saw the when I saw the
Bebs, when I saw the Bebsdesign these like, oh boy, Bebs,
the tough, the tough, lookyou got music, Beabes. But
uh, let's let's leave. Let'sleave, let's leave to the jersey designing,
to the professionals. Please. Idon't know. I love Beebs,
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I love his music. He's thejersey designer. I don't he doesn't know
what great three questions hits time forthree questions. He's better to be good.
I've been looking forward to these allday. All right, well it's
my turn to throw them at you. You're gonna get it back at me
next week. So all right.Number one Will Austin Matthews scores seventy goals
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this season. What's that at rightnow? Can I get an update?
But in perspective, he needs thirtyseven goals in his final forty three.
I say he does it. Isay he does it. That's tall pass.
That's almost a goal of game.But the right this guy's going,
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well, we'll see right away.It would be awesome for him to hit
seventy, he'd be great for theleague'd be good for the league, great
for the Leafs well that too,But yeah, I honestly, it's like
a legit shot. Question number twothis week is Sportsnet report stated that someone
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in the van for Canucks organization wantedBoodrell to play Quinn Hughes at center.
Bruce Boudreau said this, and Ibelieve it. I just want to know
what your thoughts are, not onthe comment on do you think he really
would be a good center? Imean he's he's always in the O zone.
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First of all, I don't believeBruce. I don't know I do.
I don't believe Bruce. Think aboutthis, hold on, think about
this. How think about how badlythat organization treated Bruce. Why Why wouldn't
you go and say some outlandish likethat. So you're sitting here telling me.
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You're sitting here telling me that BruceBrudreau, who's trying to get another
job in the league. Yes hewon't. He won't trying to get another
job. He's sitting at home drinkingcoffee one day and he says, you
know what, I'm going to makeup this hair brain story. About Vancouver
Canucks. Absolutely not this, man. I don't believe it at all.
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I don't. That's just because you'rea Knucks fan and you don't want to
admit that there's someone in your organizationthat that And if it's franchise Squadolini,
that wouldn't surprise me. He doesn'tknow much about hockey. So there you
go. It could have been right, But I'm just saying I that would
in first of all, I wouldnever happen. It's ridiculous, and didn't
say it would, and obviously BruceBrudo thought it was ridiculous too, right.
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I'm just saying, I, yeah, I don't know, man,
I would love to be a flyon a wall in that conversation. Question
number three, would you sign CoreyPerry if you were a contending hockey team?
I would. I would. Iwould sign him. He's a proven
winner. He does it time andtime again in the playoffs. He does
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it all. He hits, hepenley kills, he's mean, he'll fight,
he'll score you. Has some clutchgoals. I mean, I remember
in twenty twenty when he was onMontreal, he had plenty of huge goals
down the stretch in the playoffs likethat. He's a game, right,
it's gonna be what bat minimum,seven hundred and fifty grand signed me up?
And you know what if the leagueif the league's two chicken shit.
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Yeah, just to say what hedid, then I'm signing him man,
I will all right, listener,question, this is a good one.
Should the Detroit Red Wings re signor trade Patrick Kane? Who's it from?
H where's my notes on that?Steven Hawkhulter? Okay, Steven's good
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question. I think that he willbe traded. You think so? Huh?
Yeah, yep. Do you thinkthat they try to resign? Though
they might, but he has ano trade clause? Do you think he
waives that? I think he memorright. It also depends on what what
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the Detroit Red Wings do the nextmonth or so here until the deadline two
months if they're if they're out ofa playoffs, spuy, I mean,
yeah, you probably dream. Idon't know. I feel bad. I
don't even know how to answer thisquestion, because you know, he went
down with a little tweet last night. They say it wasn't related to the
Toronto Yeah, he didn't return.I think he probably was just a minor
(43:25):
precautionary thing. He's been fairly goodfor them. It doesn't look like the
injuries creating issues for him. No, I don't know that your return would
probably be as big as you thinkit would be based off his success in
New York last year. Yeah,I think you might have a better chance
of signing him at a halfway decentdeal for the next three years. Yeah.
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Good, it's not it's not abad question, and there's really no
bad answer to that either. No, I just it'll be done. That's
someone that we're gonna have to watchit Ogay, I'm not sure what's gonna
happen here. I would say,if I had to put Vegas odds on
it, a better chance at himstanding vitory today. Dam geting we get
together up? Yeah, Oh,let's just see that one. All right.
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Well that's another episode, Blake,Stay warm. This week's gonna be
a good week of hockey. There'sa lot of really good hockey and Saturday
with Hockey Day in Canada, sothat's one of my favorite days of the
year. That's gonna be a lotso I always enjoy sitting back that day
and watching all the Canadian battles.Well, stay warm, enjoy this week's
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It is time for some NHL hockeytalk. It is time for the Debate
Hockey podcast. I so glad joinedlong like the Friars and last week,
you know, Blake, we startedthe show by Hockey a day. Yeah,
yeah, I was listening to theshow after. I'm like, are
we like a bunch of eighty yearold guys like talking about the weather?
(00:42):
Like seriously, we talked for fiveminutes about the weather. I will say
this week, though it's been brutal, it's just it's new levels of cold.
It's uh man. I grew uphere in my whole life and I
can't remember a time where it wasjust cold like I I honestly like it
was like yesterday yesterday, Yeah,yesterday, driving home from Vagina, I
(01:06):
went to a giant for to watcha couple of WHL games, and my
battery idea new battery wouldn't even startto get boosted. It was just like,
it is brutal, So how toget a new battery. It was
minus fifty two with the windshill inSkatchowan yesterday. It's just ridiculous. Same
in the Dakotas, the Skatoan praidsand the Dakota Prairies, it's right now,
(01:30):
it's so bad. And then Buffalo, it's going look, look what's
going on. Buffalo not anymore,but the last couple of days it was
brutal there. But uh yeahd annovel weather tacking. We did this last
week and I made fun of us, and now we're doing it again this
week. Yeah, I'm not sure. Last week, you know, during
the show, we discussed the trade, the Drysdale trade for Cutter go To
(01:55):
and you know, we kind oftouched on it, and I don't know
why. When we were doing theshow, I just didn't I feel like
it was that big of a deal. And the more I've thought about it
since then, it's like, youknow, that's a fairly substantial trade,
right, interesting trade created some controversy. I hate it when players say they
don't want to play for a team, and I hated it more when he
(02:17):
says, well, I don't wantto play for the team, and I'm
not saying why. It's like,well, what, like what are you
doing? Like I don't know.I mean like we talked like I talked
about last week. I mean,you got to give credit to Danny Brier
for turning the disgruntled asset and thatJamie dries Down a second round pick,
So that's a great, great Ithink it'll be a win win trade in
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the end, because I think cutof coach is a he's gonna be a
good player. But that's a thathas the makings to be a hockey trade
down the road, like a youtrade for a defenseman and uh and Anaheim
gets a more center depth down themiddle, A much bigger trade than I
probably gave it credit, if thatmakes sense. Hey, have you ever
(03:04):
seen too many two too many menon the ice penalties called at the same
time. No, I don't thinkso. I didn't. I didn't see
it. I went back and watchedit. But I saw the tweet Boston,
Colorado last I think it was lastMonday night or Tuesday night, get
(03:24):
called for too many men on theice at the same time. Off to
go look that up. That's wild, unreal, unreal. I couldn't believe
it. Hey, is there anythingbetter in hockey than the dad's trips?
No, that's that's Uh. Seemsto have sparked the old flames too.
(03:45):
I don't know if it was thatthey were going a little bit before that,
but I mean, it's just goodto get them on. Yet,
even the mom strips are cool too, Like I like all those trips,
Like there's some teams that do likesiblings trips and stuff like that, So
yeah, those are always fun towatch for sure. It's just I don't
know something special about going to theFlames Dad's tying the skates in the before
(04:05):
the Calgary really did it right.They really did it right. Yeah,
it was literally cool. Lots totalk about on the show today, we're
gonna talk about the Winnipeg Jets andhow they have surprised the whole hockey world
and flown to the top of theCentral Division. Surprise. Hold on surprised,
Well, you wanted to pull theprictions out, Blake, I believe
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you had them. Yeah, outof the playoffs, Okay, but it's
not surprising. It's not nobody hadwin a peg winning the Central Listen what
he did. It's not okay,but they have a they have a good
team, though absolutely not surprising Vancouver, where Vancouver is way more surprising than
Winnipeg. We've already talked about Vancouverfifty times this year, Okay, but
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it's not like at the at thisat this stage, it's not surprising anymore.
It's not surprising anymore. You hadthem out of the playoffs. Okay,
that's fine, But I also andI wouldn't be surprised if this team
was top of the top three inthe division. They're a good team.
We'll see, but we're gonna talkabout that. Then we'll talk about the
loser Leafs, the Power Pacific,Verzleikuns wants out, Flino extended, Zegris
(05:12):
is injured, and some total assjerseys. All right, we started the
argument early because you got to argueabout everything. Winnipeg. Winnipeg currently as
we record this on Monday night,sits a top of the Central Division with
sixty points, one better than theColorado Avalanche I think are playing right now.
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But as we record this day,are sitting atop the Central And I
know you say it's not a surprise, even though you didn't pick them to
make the playoffs, which wouldn't makeit a surprise. So yeah, that
wouldn't make it a surprise. Thisteam is on a roll, eight one
and one in their last ten.Up until Saturday, they had an eight
game waiting streak that got snapped bya pretty damn good, surprising. We're
(05:55):
gonna talk about them in a littlebit, Philadelthia Flyers team. Yeah,
but this team is getting top endgoaltending, top end goaltending. Yeah.
Well, I mean Carl Hellbuck's oneof the best in the league right and
what was right there too they gotwas point nine to four and has got
a point nine two three. Yeah, it's it's probably it's up there for
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tandems. I mean up there.I think it would be the top with
the who top the top three arethe top three in the standings right now.
I bet I would say I wouldsay, uh, Vancouver, Boston,
Winnipeg have the three best times inthe league right now, in no
(06:39):
particular order, in no particular order, Like i'd probably give the nod to
Winnipeg right now for or even ifyou went in order, because I think
it's been a big part, notthe only part. You're getting good production
from Schifley, Eelers. Morris,So he's he's hurt. Did he come
back? Who he played? Shiflyhe's still out. He's out right now.
(07:00):
It sounds like he's day to day. Possible return on Saturday. Yeah,
so he'll keep something to keep aneye for sure. But Morrisey's elevated
his game. It's it's kind ofweird, how like think about this though,
Like they're doing all of this KyleConnor, like he leads the team
and scoring, right, that's that'spretty that's pretty scary that they're they're chugging
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along here without without Connor, likehe he drives the bus, like Shifly's
the guy, he's the centerman.Kyle Connor drives the bus right and twenty
six games and leads the team andgoals still still Yeah, he's due to
be back late January. Yeah,is from his knee injury, but yeah,
he leads a team with seventeen goals. Shafely leads a team with twenty
(07:45):
seven assists. Yeah, leads sayfullyforty one points, but like, who
saw this? Dylan Demelo plus twentysix? What he's good? He's good
man. He plays he plays withMorrissey, does he not? You want
to hear something really really crazy?This team is twenty sixth in penalty kill.
Yeah, you're doing this being thetwenty sixth ranked team in the penalty
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kill. It's their power play twentythird. That's amazing. They're winning and
they're winning some close games. They'rewinning the hard way. They're winning the
hard way. Yeah, they couldget that power player. I don't know
if that's sustainable though, that badspecial team too, I know, I
know, I know, but eventuallysomething's got to give. There were halfway
(08:31):
point right now, I know,still clicking along. So yeah, I
would say that would be my commentto it too. I'd agree with you,
is it sustainable? But every timeI think they're gonna start, you
know that, you know, Hey, wait, is it sustainable? You
know what it is? They're aspecial team. No, I'm talking about
their special team, like winning withthat bad of special team. You know,
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but if you continue to get goodgoaltending, that's how you do it
right right? No, Yeah,they're goaltending flaws, a lot of the
state, a lot of what's itcalled flaws, A lot of uh,
a lot of mistakes, hides flaws, hides flaws. There we go other
teams. There's some other teams onsome killer streaks. Edmonton ten oh to
(09:16):
zero, ten wins in a row, franchise record for the Edmonton others.
That honestly surprises me. I justI was like, franchise record. I'm
like Kratzky Coffee. Uh messy A. I'm like, this team didn't win
more than ten in a row.Yeah, but you guys remember back then
they were not good at defense.I'm a lot like this team. Yeah,
but they scored seven eight to night. I don't grand fear let in
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seven. Hey, listen, I'lladmit it. I will give Darnell nurses
flowers. And I think that PaulCoffee's helped him a lot. I think
he's his game. His defensive gamehas grown a lot. Like I've watched
a lot of the Oilers, it'sgrown a lot. He's been a lot
better. Bouchard is getting better.It's still not ideal. Bouchard's still got
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a ways to go. But isDonald Ners gonna live up to his nine
point two five a year. No, but he was in the first two
weeks of the season. I thinkhe's in a place right now though where
he's he's manageable. He's manageable.I would agree. I would agree.
I think Paul Coffee's helped him alot. Yeah, that's a boat.
When it started to change too.Stuart Skinner has a I think he has
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like a nine to fifty on thisnine fifty percentage on this streak, so
he got I don't care how goodyou are offensively without you don't know,
you're not gonna So Skinner looks likehe's turned the corner. There, there's
a there's a lot of goalies thatthey're starting to turn the corner. You
got Marksman Calgary playing playing Berry.He's one of his last four starts.
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Yep, that's good. It's goodnews for you. Florida. Florida's also
won a nine game heater all today. They lost the last two I think,
yeah, they lost, but Imean nine and one in the last
I mean up until today. Yeah, you mentioned Winnipeg, Colorado's eight one
and one, Vancouver seven to twoand one, and hey, the Carolina
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Hurricanes back there's seven to one andtwo. Uh yeah, that's uh seven
to two and one. Oh youmight have screenshoted this last night, but
yeah, so yeah, no,this Carolina is slowly starting to figure it
out and got more injuries to goaltenderslike it's, oh my god, I
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don't know. It's a lot ofadversity of that team's faces here for sure.
Seattle they're on a roll too.I mean, lots of good teams,
you know, and I sat andI thought about it. I'm like,
all right, we're at the midseason point, and what grades would
you give teams. I'm not goingto go through every team, but I'm
gonna throw out a couple and Iwant you to give me a letter grade
like we were back in fifth gradehere, okay, on what what that
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team would be? What do youwhat do you give the Tampa Bay Lightning?
I will give Tampa Bay. I'llgive Tampa Bay a B plus really
because they were without their starting goaltenderfor the first six weeks of the season
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and they're somehow still there. Right. We both thought at the start of
the year, no Vassilski, thisteam might run into some problems, and
here they are in a wildcard spotover halfway through the year. So give
them a C plus. I mightbe like that with how Vassie for I
think he has twenty games. That'sa lot. It's a lot. So
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what do you give the Edmonton Oilers? Well, this is a like this
is an inflated grade right now becausethey're hot, but at one point of
the season they're probably the D minus. Yeah almost f right, And now
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now wouldn't you now yeah, Iprobably say B B minus like they're they're
figuring it out. I mean,we all expect that I picked them to
win the Stanley Cups, so atleast to not make me look like a
clown right now, which is good. What would you put for the New
York Islanders. Oh, that's athat's just a weird team. Like it's
I have Actually I've watched a lotof the Islanders the past week because they've
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just been on and I've I've watchedthem and you got guys leaving the bench
before the game, and it's justI don't know, man, it's I'm
weird. That's weird. Givem aC. I give like a C minus
something like that as two. Yeah, what do you give the La Kings?
That's another That team is a disasterand they've lost eight in a row,
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which is so surprising. And therethey I believe they won today.
They're picking up they're picking up points. But huh, listen, Brad fives
to tell you two months ago thatthe La Kings two months in the future
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would lose eight. They just wontoday. Yep, they just snapped their
eight game lose strig today that theOilers two months ago, where they were
at would make up fifteen points intwenty games on the Kings, I would
say, you're absolutely insane. Buthere we are. Here we are.
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I didn't think the Oilers were gonnasniff third place. That's how that's how
far back they were. I didn't. Would it surprised me if they did
harve percent. But they were sobad they were like twenty points out of
third. Now they're they're three.Well, I mean you gotta look at
what's happened too, though, Likewhen La goes cold and they lose eight
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and Edmonton wins ten. I meanthat's not a lot. That's a lot
of games. Well here they thinkthe thing about the if you're a Kings
fan, at least you're managing yourlosses here, Like you got eight overtime
losses. You got four overtime losseson that streak of eight lose streets,
so you're still picking up some points. But yeah, it's it's not been
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ideal for sure. You two fourand four in their last ten and a
little bit of a struggle buss.So what would you give the New York
Rangers. New York's a good team. They are, They're a really good
team. I would probably get anA minus. Yeah, I would say
they're right in that. I wouldsay yeah, I would say maybe an
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A. I mean they're right.I mean they're they're leading their division.
That's kind of where we thought theywould be too. But they're doing it.
You know, we thought we hadthem right up there with Carolina.
Yeah, yeah, they're they're they'redefinitely right there. So what would you
do the Buffalo Sabers. Oh,I watched them against Vancouver the other day
and boy, this this team justlooks lifeless. They got other than Thompson,
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they got no game breakers. Theirgoaltending is inconsistent. They take stupid
penalties. Is this what you getwhen you rebuild a hockey team? How
long have we been rebuilding? Though? Eventually you gotta take a next step.
Well, we've been talking for fouryears. We've been we've been pounding
the damn table for Buffalo to takea step. Here we go, here
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they're coming, they're coming. Lastthree years and there's still the there's still
the start line. They haven't therace car hasn't hasn't moved. The engine's
kind of revving. The engines kindof revved on the race car to get
gone on this track. But it'sall it's sucking neutral. The driver hasn't
put it in drive yet. SoI'm gonna I'm gonna make a point here,
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and I'm probably gonna catch some blackfor this. Oh, but here
we go. Buckle your seat belts. Okay, I'm listening. I think
you might agree with me. Ilook at teams like the Los Angeles Kings.
I look at teams like the VancouverCanucks weren't going in the right direction
two three years ago at all.No, they didn't tear down to the
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studs. They didn't tank and geta number one. They picked away at
it. They rebuilt, They keptsome key parts, they slid in some
UFAs, they made a few trades, they had a few prospects hit,
they plugged in pieces, and nowthey're I don't want to say Cup contenders,
but right in the in the inthe top of that right. Yeah.
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You look at teams like Ottawa andBuffalo, who went the tear down
to the studs. We're gonna dothe old Pittsburgh Penguins way, and look
where they're at. The fan basesalways say that, oh, we want
to rebuild, we want to rebuild, we want to rebuild. No,
they don't want to be care Yougotta be careful with that word, though.
You gotta be careful with that word. What do you mean? What
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what Vancouver did? It wasn't arebuild, that was a retool. So
my what my point is is thatI don't think a rebuilds a way to
go. I think retooling is away to go. Listen, well,
okay, let's let's look at Vancouver. Hold on, hold on, yeah,
but hold on. The Rangers alsogot lucky in the draft lottery with
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two number one picks. Hey,it's part of the retool. That's the
prospects of I'm just saying. Youcan say that about Vancouver, right,
They didn't get first overro picks.Head, a couple of draft picks hit
right, right, different, there'sno difference, you get. That's but
it's easier. Okay. So youlook at like, if you have a
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number one center, a number oned man, and a number one goalie
to build your team around, it'sa little easier to plug and plug and
play places in here. Okay,La didn't have a goalie. No,
hold on, we're talking about Autohere. Okay, does Autoba have a
number one goalie? Right now.That's what I'm saying. They haven't drafted
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and developed a goalie. Name methe last team that drafted and developed a
goalie. We already went over this. We've already been over this. How
many of them? I was talking? Who was I talking to? I
was talking to somebody. I wastalking to somebody in. Over half of
the teams in the NHL have adrafted and or developed goaltender. Over half,
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yeah, why would Okay, let'ssee here, Boston, Toronto,
oh god, Wall was drafted,drafted, Rangers, Philadelphia, UH,
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Tapa Bay, Pittsburgh, Buffalo,Montreal, Columbus, all the bottom beams
here, Winnipeg, Winnipeg, Dallas, Vancouver, UH, Nashville, Edmonton.
Uh, they drafted Stuart Skinner.Okay, Saint Louis, Minnesota,
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let's see Saint Lewis. You're you'rewrong on Saint Louis. Bennington wasn't drafted.
What are you talking about? Notdrafted by the Blues. Okay,
they still developed them, Brad,he still developed them. Oh my god,
stop it, I'm serious. Minnesotadeveloped developed Gusson, John Gibson,
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John Gibson over the raft. Iwin the arguments. Over half. I
said half. They didn't draft him. Okay, I said, drafted or
developed? Well, okay, soyou can say that about any player.
Then just saying, okay, dothey have a number one center? No,
they don't. They have a goodwinger. They have a bunch of
good wingers. They had a numberone. And do they have a good
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who Buffalo? No, we're talkingabout Ottawa. We're on Ottawa. Well,
I mean ott always got some.I mean he aways got ATMA's got
good pieces, but they're all they'reall wingers. Josh Norris is not a
number one center. So Vancouver didn'tget any of their centers through the draft.
All these Petterson died, what areyou talking about? One? They
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got one? Okay, what areyou talking about, dude, I'm saying
my point is, Blake, I'mnot talking about drafting goalies. I'm talking
about the tearing your team down hasnot been in the last ten years in
the National Hockey League. Carrying yourteam to the studs has not been as
successful as retooling like the Rangers,not Kings. I mean, if you
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tear, if you tear down,it all depends on what pillars you have
as your foundation. Okay, well, unless you draft the most and Orosby
you're not going to be successful.Like for Vancouver, it's a little easier
to retool when you got Peterson,Hughes and Demco as your three pillars.
Well, then maybe Buffalo shouldn't havetore down so far. Yeah, there
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there is an argument for that forsure, right, I mean you had
Jack Eichel. Yeah, well heasked for a trade. When a guy
wants out and a guy doesn't wantto be there, it's hard. It's
hard to argue that they agree.But he probably wouldn't have asked for a
trade if you put him in abetter situation. Right. They didn't put
enough players around him, and Iagree with that. But if if a
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player doesn't want to be there andyou don't want to do this and you
don't want to do the surgery thatthe player wants, it's like, well
that's another that's another factor in this, you know. I mean, I'm
just looking at it purely in successrate. The last team that tore down
and was successful was the Pittsburgh Penguins. That's a long time ago. Yeah.
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Well, they also got lucky winningthe lottery and getting Crosby and then
getting Mulk in the year out ofthe year before. I agree, but
that was part of the rebuild,right, right, But Crosby, Crosby,
Calander Lap like all thirty teams hada chancey at Crosby and they won
the lotter because there's a lock ayear. Yep. But I'm just saying.
I'm just saying fan base is screamfor rebuilds. I think retools what
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they should be screaming for, right, Yeah, like you can't you can't
trade everybody. You can't trade.It doesn't work, like for Calgary Calgary
for instance, Okay, could youretool by retaining half on Markstrom, trading
Markstrom and trading Tanev and trading Lindholmand getting players in there but still having
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but still having Huberto and Caudrey andmaybe extending Hannifin around and help those kids
develop. I think that wouldn't bea bad idea. I think it'd be
great to extend Hannafan. You can'tretain on Markstroom when he has three years
left too, for the next twoyears? Why not? Why would you
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maximize your value? What do youmean? Why not? It's a great
goalie. Why would you trade him? Because now many teams can make six
mil fit in their cap, retainmore, get more assets back. Why
would Calgary want to trade him toget to get assets for the future.
What do you mean he's getting mewhat thirty four? Well? What about
next year? In the year after. I don't know, man, It's
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just like this is this deadline isgoing to make or break Calgary's next two
to three years. And what thedirection they're going in? Wait? Wait,
whoa wait what Calgary's got a lotof really good core parts, okay,
but one that chading marks from isthe best plan of action. I
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never said I would trade him.I said they might look to do that.
It's all I said. The returnwould have to be hillacious. You're
telling me, you're telling me Torontowouldn't give a kings ransom for him.
Right now? What would they givehalf retained? What would they give They're
not giving Marner up for the beforethe playoffs. It's not happening this year.
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This is a summer trade. Ifit happens, It's what I'm saying.
Toronto's got to do something. Torontohas to do something. Well,
let me ask you a question.Why would Calgary in the off season,
In the off season, why wouldCalgary, do Toronto a favor and retain
money on Marks to maximize their value. What I've been saying, what can
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Toronto give that Calgary was going to? I don't know, I don't know,
I don't sure. All I'm sayingis this off season, we are
going to know what the direction ofthe Calgary Flames is this off season or
No, a storry this deadline,this deadline because if they trade land Home,
Hanafin and Tanev, which is agood person. Need to tell you
(25:47):
exactly what's gonna happen. Let metell you exactly what's gonna happen. They're
going to keep everybody and lose himfor free. No, No, they're
going to re sign han off It. They're going to keep Marks from because
that would be the smart thing todo. They're going to trade tan Of
and get a fairly decent return,a pretty darn good return, I think.
I think right now, I thinkyou get more for than n him
(26:08):
right now. They're going to tradelind Holman. They're gonna get it underwhelming
yeah return. Yeah, and that'sall of them. The rest are gone,
is that Off's gone, Like,I, uh, what do you
do? And I would extend Hannathan. I would I would be comfortable giving
him an eight year deal. Iwould he like anybody, he's twenty six,
(26:30):
he's twenty six, twenty seven,I think six to eight in that
range. He's not doing it withouteight because somebody else is going to give
him eight or seven, Right,So I mean why why? Like he's
a minute eat. I think hehas the third most minutes in the league.
So he's a horse back there.You gotta sign guys like that.
(26:51):
That's a that's a pillar piece.He can build her team round. Yeah,
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just got done talking about, notthe Calgary Flames. We're gonna talk about
the Toronto maple Leafs and three thirdperiod leads in a row that they blow
(27:37):
last night. They drop one toDetroit four to two after being up in
the third period. I don't understand. They were up three one on the
road against the Islanders, lost andovertime. They're up three nothing at home
to the Colorado Avalanche and they lostfive to three. And they're up two
(27:57):
to one in the third period andlost to the De Troit Red Wings.
So really interesting. I want totouch on the comments made by weather head
coach after the Colorado game, tellingthe hockey world how wonderful McCarn mckinnonarr and
that they're on another level, whichthey. I do agree with him,
(28:19):
I mean I really do, butjust hearing it and what is how his
team would perceive his communication about thoseplayers when you just signed a guy to
eleven million dollar contract and almost hedidn't say it out right, but almost
hinted that their core isn't producing likethey need to produce. I felt the
(28:42):
conversation was very awkward. He's ah, he's a lock of the fine line.
Like he does. He's got someinteresting comments to come out of his
mouth. She's freaking true. It'strue, but this is an internal thing.
This is internal. There's nothing nothingyou can do as management that to
(29:04):
help this. This is well there'sone thing you can do. This is
a repeating pattern. This is arepeating pattern that blowing leads, whether it's
the regular season or whether it's theplayoffs. How many times are we gonna
say this about the least? Thereis zero, zero, zero accountability in
that franchise right now. They donot none none, none. You want
(29:29):
to send a message plan Marner fora couple shifts, like, come on,
a couple shifts, seriously, manlike, there's no like. I
remember one time, uh in Bankhe was Boston last year, Marner walked
down the hallway, he left thebench, walked down the hallway, came
back and didn't miss a shift.Listen, if I'm head coach and my
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player leaves bench, you're done.You're done the rest of the game.
I don't care if you're making elevenmillion bucks, you're if you're mentally checked
out enough to walk do on thehallway and have a little hazy fit and
of time out like come on,not happen. There's no accountability. And
these problems are going to continue tohappen. They're going to continue to blow
leads, and they're gonna continue topoint the finger at others until they fix
(30:17):
themselves. Well, you know whatexacerbates the problem too, is when your
head coach is like petitioning for penaltycalls, like, yes, that was
a cross check on Nathan McKinnon.Our but ore Nathan McKinnon on assuming it
wasn't McKinnon Matthews cross check on Matthewsit was. It's just a miscall.
It's one happens all the time,all the time. It didn't take a
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scoring chance away, it didn't.I mean, I'm sorry, like I'm
tired of the poor baby Toronto mapleleaves that that. I don't understand it.
So if they're so worried about it, get somebody with a set of
nuts on their team to go takecare of the problem. Yeah, they
just get away. That's what theysigned Reeves for. I need, I
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need to rattle this off for you. I liked Brad Tree living when he
was in Calgary. I did.I thought he did a really good job.
He belts I did. I thoughtI for the most part. You
know, he had a few badsignings. But every GM, we can
go through the list, every GMhas a few goods and a few bads,
right, But as a whole inCalgary, thought Brad true living was
pretty good. He was his Whathe was best at was being able to
(31:23):
sign guys like Anderson and you know, Lynn Holeman had pretty friendly deals,
right, team friendly deals, rightthat that was his strength. Okay,
but now since he's got to Toronto, I don't know if this dude drank
some bad water or something. Okay, he extends Sheldon Keith, He signs
(31:44):
Klingberg for four point one five theone year though one year though one year.
I'm sorry, that's still too highfor him. He's on L T
I R now, so that doesn'tmatter. Well, it matters to the
management team. Reeves three years isat one point three to five, Camp
four years at two point four.Bertuosie gets five point five, samson Off
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gets three point five. Kneelander elevenpoint five for eight more years, Matthews
thirteen points. I mean, Ican't argue the Matthews and I think that's
pretty You can't argue about Matthews orKneelander. Well, I might argue about
Neelander. I think it's a tathigh, but we'll see. Time will
tell on that one. Right,that one's too early to throw a dagger.
But I look at these other ones, and I'm like, well,
(32:28):
okay, here's where I think thatthe Kneelander one is. It's going to
cash strap them so much that's probablymore. Well, no, you can't
say that yet until you get thenumber in on tomors Tavars's history. Well,
unless he takes a huge hometown discount, why would you do that?
Now it's his hometown, he's thecaptain. He wants to deliver a cop
(32:52):
there. I don't know. Wouldn'tyou take three mil to keep everyone together?
I would if you're not another he'sgonna be thirty, he's gonna be
thirty five. You don't need moneythree million. I don't know if they're
gonna be able to afford that.I don't know. Sixty two million of
eighty seven are listen. I'm tellingyou Mitch Marner has a no move clause
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that just kicked in this year.It might be time to approach Mitch and
say, hey, like, we'rethinking about move, we're thinking about moving
here. What if he says no, I'm saying it's an option. I'm
just saying it's an option for them. They have you have to look at
seriously considering trading Mitch Marner in theoffseason. Yeah, because what I would
(33:35):
do. What I would do isI would move Mitch to a team,
get picks, some prospects, andmaybe one roster player back. Use use
the rest of the might you usethe rest of the money to get it
to build your defense. I don'tover your or trade Marner for ad defenseman.
(33:55):
Oh yeah, he's got to bea pretty friendly content track defenseman.
Yeah, like Brett Pesse or something. Oh. Pacific divisions on fire lately,
yep, absolutely on fire. Laythe oilers, the crack and the
flames. Vancouver has been really good. I mean, just everybody's been good.
(34:16):
Joey Decordy's been amazing for Seattle.Yeah, I don't know. I'm
really interested to see what happens inthe Pacific. It's been a lot of
fun to watch this the last twoweeks. Yep. Your thoughts on Merz
leakens in Columbus Now, there's lotsof talks, he says. I love
Columbus. I love these guys.I grew up here, but I'm not
a backup goaltender. Yep. Idon't know what happens here, but I
(34:40):
think he's the first goalie moved hereis the problem though, and this is
absolutely no disrespect directed at all.If you can't earn more starts over Spencer
Martin, we have issues. Wehave a serious problem. Yep. I
agree, we have a serious problem. Yep. If he can't outperform a
(35:07):
uh, long time AHL East CoastHockey League lifer who got a chance in
Vancouver and now earned a contract,good for him with the Columbus jacket.
I'm just saying, I know abackup contract who had stole the starter job.
What what what are we talking abouthere? You're not a backup.
You're not playing well, that's whyyou're not That's why you're a backup.
(35:28):
You know, no shit, you'renot a backup. But right now you
ain't playing like a starter. Sowhat's the what? What's the issue here?
I'm with you. I agree,completely eased. I don't know man
Chicago extends to Nick Filino two yearsfour point five a v. And I
(35:49):
thought it was slightly ironic that he'sbeen kind of a heart and soul guy
for Chicago and he was the guythat stood up for Connor Baard. I
heard mentoring Connor Baard, and nowhe gets an extension. I think they
go ahead, listen. I didyou listen to his press conference? I
did not know. It was amazing. He got asked like why he extended
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in Chicago when you're late in yourcareer and you want to go chase the
Stanley Company. He's like, He'slike, listen, man like. He
basically said that, you know,if you're trying to build a culture,
you can't just have guys guys leavingall the time. You got you gotta
stay and you gotta build. Andand he talked about how teams that are
(36:34):
projected to do bad can do goodand you know, you can get hot
or whatever. So he just kindof went on. It was kind of
a really good interview, So itwas good. He's a guy that Buffalo
or Ottawa needed, right, Yeah, he's a or like I don't I
don't know, like I think hewould. I think if Toronto could have
a due over, they would haveextended in Yeah. I probably agree.
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Zegress goes down, he'll have surgery, will be out six to eight weeks.
That is tough. And in thesame game lately they lose uh Pavel
Minnikoff who suffered a separated shoulder.He's gonna woof Yeah, that's that's a
tough break for Zegres who just cameback and now he breaks his ankle.
(37:21):
So yeah, a little bit ofa frustrating year for him and it sucks
for the for the game because he'selectric to watch one last thing before we
get onto three questions. All Starjerseys? Are these not the worst All
Star jerseys you've ever seen? Canwe just go back when mar players,
(37:44):
your players just wore their own jerseys. Yeah, they did do that,
did not They did that in theskills, They never did that in games,
Are you sure? Yeah? Theyalways had a jersey, but they
were really cool jerseys back in theday. They were just like a white,
low white jersey with with the NHLlogo on the front. And then
I said Western and Eastern, Wellthey had that too, They had that
(38:04):
too for quite some time. Butfor a long time, like back when
Lemieux and Gretzky played, it wasjust a white and a black, the
East Warld whatever, you know,the home team, whatever team was in
the like, you could you reallyrealistically could do that. You could the
home team whereas all their home allthe home jerseys, and the white team
wears white. Yeah, you couldlike, it's like that would be cool.
(38:27):
You know, how much color wouldbe on the ice would be awesome?
This is it's bad. And whenI saw the when I saw the
Bebs, when I saw the Bebsdesign these like, oh boy, Bebs,
the tough, the tough, lookyou got music, Beabes. But
uh, let's let's leave. Let'sleave, let's leave to the jersey designing,
to the professionals. Please. Idon't know. I love Beebs,
(38:52):
I love his music. He's thejersey designer. I don't he doesn't know
what great three questions hits time forthree questions. He's better to be good.
I've been looking forward to these allday. All right, well it's
my turn to throw them at you. You're gonna get it back at me
next week. So all right.Number one Will Austin Matthews scores seventy goals
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this season. What's that at rightnow? Can I get an update?
But in perspective, he needs thirtyseven goals in his final forty three.
I say he does it. Isay he does it. That's tall pass.
That's almost a goal of game.But the right this guy's going,
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well, we'll see right away.It would be awesome for him to hit
seventy, he'd be great for theleague'd be good for the league, great
for the Leafs well that too,But yeah, I honestly, it's like
a legit shot. Question number twothis week is Sportsnet report stated that someone
(39:59):
in the van for Canucks organization wantedBoodrell to play Quinn Hughes at center.
Bruce Boudreau said this, and Ibelieve it. I just want to know
what your thoughts are, not onthe comment on do you think he really
would be a good center? Imean he's he's always in the O zone.
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First of all, I don't believeBruce. I don't know I do.
I don't believe Bruce. Think aboutthis, hold on, think about
this. How think about how badlythat organization treated Bruce. Why Why wouldn't
you go and say some outlandish likethat. So you're sitting here telling me.
(40:45):
You're sitting here telling me that BruceBrudreau, who's trying to get another
job in the league. Yes hewon't. He won't trying to get another
job. He's sitting at home drinkingcoffee one day and he says, you
know what, I'm going to makeup this hair brain story. About Vancouver
Canucks. Absolutely not this, man. I don't believe it at all.
(41:06):
I don't. That's just because you'rea Knucks fan and you don't want to
admit that there's someone in your organizationthat that And if it's franchise Squadolini,
that wouldn't surprise me. He doesn'tknow much about hockey. So there you
go. It could have been right, But I'm just saying I that would
in first of all, I wouldnever happen. It's ridiculous, and didn't
say it would, and obviously BruceBrudo thought it was ridiculous too, right.
(41:27):
I'm just saying, I, yeah, I don't know, man,
I would love to be a flyon a wall in that conversation. Question
number three, would you sign CoreyPerry if you were a contending hockey team?
I would. I would. Iwould sign him. He's a proven
winner. He does it time andtime again in the playoffs. He does
(41:50):
it all. He hits, hepenley kills, he's mean, he'll fight,
he'll score you. Has some clutchgoals. I mean, I remember
in twenty twenty when he was onMontreal, he had plenty of huge goals
down the stretch in the playoffs likethat. He's a game, right,
it's gonna be what bat minimum,seven hundred and fifty grand signed me up?
And you know what if the leagueif the league's two chicken shit.
(42:10):
Yeah, just to say what hedid, then I'm signing him man,
I will all right, listener,question, this is a good one.
Should the Detroit Red Wings re signor trade Patrick Kane? Who's it from?
H where's my notes on that?Steven Hawkhulter? Okay, Steven's good
(42:34):
question. I think that he willbe traded. You think so? Huh?
Yeah, yep. Do you thinkthat they try to resign? Though
they might, but he has ano trade clause? Do you think he
waives that? I think he memorright. It also depends on what what
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the Detroit Red Wings do the nextmonth or so here until the deadline two
months if they're if they're out ofa playoffs, spuy, I mean,
yeah, you probably dream. Idon't know. I feel bad. I
don't even know how to answer thisquestion, because you know, he went
down with a little tweet last night. They say it wasn't related to the
Toronto Yeah, he didn't return.I think he probably was just a minor
(43:25):
precautionary thing. He's been fairly goodfor them. It doesn't look like the
injuries creating issues for him. No, I don't know that your return would
probably be as big as you thinkit would be based off his success in
New York last year. Yeah,I think you might have a better chance
of signing him at a halfway decentdeal for the next three years. Yeah.
(43:51):
Good, it's not it's not abad question, and there's really no
bad answer to that either. No, I just it'll be done. That's
someone that we're gonna have to watchit Ogay, I'm not sure what's gonna
happen here. I would say,if I had to put Vegas odds on
it, a better chance at himstanding vitory today. Dam geting we get
together up? Yeah, Oh,let's just see that one. All right.
(44:15):
Well that's another episode, Blake,Stay warm. This week's gonna be
a good week of hockey. There'sa lot of really good hockey and Saturday
with Hockey Day in Canada, sothat's one of my favorite days of the
year. That's gonna be a lotso I always enjoy sitting back that day
and watching all the Canadian battles.Well, stay warm, enjoy this week's
(44:37):
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Hockey Fans, That was another greatepisode of the Debate Hockey Podcast with
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CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist
It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.