February 15, 2024 • 48 mins
THE DEBATE - Hockey Podcast – Episode 244- Empty Net Chaos
Host- Brad Burud @BradBurud
Co-Host- Blake Friars @FriarsBlake
--- EPISODE 244 ---
Greig sends the Maple Leafs and hockey world into hysteria with empty net goal
AROUND THE NHL: Deadline Targets, Relocation, Sergachev and D-man Scoring
3 Questions
Listener Questions: What is your dream Stanley Cup matchup for this season?
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Host- Brad Burud @BradBurud
Co-Host- Blake Friars @FriarsBlake
--- EPISODE 244 ---
Greig sends the Maple Leafs and hockey world into hysteria with empty net goal
AROUND THE NHL: Deadline Targets, Relocation, Sergachev and D-man Scoring
3 Questions
Listener Questions: What is your dream Stanley Cup matchup for this season?
Website: THE DEBATE Hockey Podcast
Listen: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts
Watch: YouTUBE
Social Media – X - @TheDebate | FACEBOOK – THE DEBATE Hockey Podcast | INSTAGRAM - THE DEBATE Hockey Podcast
Music – Booz N Tuna
Presented By: StickBandits – ApparelBandits
NHL #HockeyX #TalkinHockey #HockeyPodcast #Hockey #DebateHockey #LeafsForever #GoSensGo
*Produced by Inside Edge Hockey News Media Group
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It is time for some NHL hockeytalk. I am the host of the
show. Brad Rude joined alongside myco host Black Friars in this time for
Ale Debate Hockey podcast. It's uhyeah, two days late this week.
It is some scheduling conflicts and I'vebeen on the struggle bus this week.
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My wife has been down for thecount for over a week and now I
am not feeling the best. Butwe're gonna pound through it tonight and we
can get through with lots to talkabout. Yep. I had a hockey
game last night, so I totallyforgot about it. Man, it's been
so long since we've had a weekdaygame at home. I was just totally
buying. So that's my bad.But we're here, We're here, We're
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gonna go. What were your quickthoughts on the Super Bowl? Yeah?
I really enjoyed it. It's agood game. Halftime show is kind of
He's sang a lot of his newsongs, which made sense why I didn't
really know what how what any ofthem were, But the back half of
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it was good because I knew allthe songs. Yeah, it's a good
game. Entertaining overtime can as formore than that. I'm glad that they
changed the overtime rule for the playoffs. That's just common sense. But yeah,
the Chiefs are a dynasty. Theyare. I didn't think we'd have
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a dynasty this quick after the Patriots, but here we are. Oh what
else a Winter Classic that gets announcedfor Chicago's for Saint Louis Probably Chicago for
the seventh time in my lifetime.I'm exaggerating, but not really. It's
exaggerating, but not really exaggerating.I guess that it seems like they just
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rotate. They just rotate Chicago,Boston, Detroit, Toronto, Saint Louis,
the Rangers, and they's just areRidge recycle. Yeah, it's I
don't know. I mean, like, I know they need to worry about
Radians. And after this year,why not like a why not try and
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spice up a rivalry and do aCanucks versus Cracking in Seattle alumin Field or
something like something different. Because sayingthat, because I'm a fan, I
don't really care. I'm gonna tellyou something. There is nothing about a
Winter Classic that's gonna spice up arivalry because it's a lot just as just
added storyline I'm just saying, no, I know what you're trying to get
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at. I just just give mesomething different than Chicago and Detroit, or
how about this, how about wejust get rid of it. Yeah,
I'm not a fan outdoor game,so you know where I stand on that.
I'm not either. I'm not eitherspeaking of things that I'm not a
fan of. The Waste Management GolfClassic used to be one of my favorite
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tournaments. It's out of control people. People are idiots. People are idiots.
They just need opsecurity and not letthem run on the course. It's
not three drink minimum. We've provenas adults that we can't be trusted to
handle all the guys doing stow angelsin the bunker. Hey, it's it's
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a cool atmosphere. I actually wantto go there one day, Like,
that's a cool atmosphere. It wascool, but now it's been taken over
and now it's been pushed over thelimit. Right, it used to be
fun. Now it's not fun anymore. Now it's I mean, players are
just going to quit going, yeahquick going. Players don't want to get
beer thrown at him and stuff.Yeah, I get it. But the
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players are okay with the fun likeit was five years ago, but now
it's not fun anymore. Now it'scomplete idiocy. Yeah, speaking of complete
stupidity, we are we have ajam back show, but the started off.
We're going to talk about the unravelingleafs, the controversy, the Gonk
show that this week was, andwe'll go around talk about deadline targets,
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relocation, surgate, chef injury,and d man scoring, hope play.
It's the hottest topic going in hockeyright now. The I always don't like
to talk about the hottest topic going, but how do you not? How
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do you not? Especially in ashow called the debate? And I don't
know if we're going to debate onthis because I have not I have not
gotten your take. So we're gonnathis is completely we don't know each other's
take on this. Let's talk aboutthe slap shot, empty and edit,
the response, the suspension, andall the idiot stuff that has come of
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of this. Uh, I don'tneed to explain what happened. If you're
watching or if you're watching or listeningto this show, you know enough of
what happened. Still, I wantto get your take on this, and
then I'll give you mine, andthen we can go back and forth with
the questions. I think the momentgot him for sure. Hockey, We'll
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start at the beginning, Start atthe beginning. What did you think of
the empty netter? Yeah, I'mjust saying I think the emotions got to
Ridley Greg Saturday night against the Leavesin Toronto. It's a it's a big
time rivalry. Ottaway has had alot of success against Toronto for some odd
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reason this year. And did youlike the move or hate the move?
It's it's pretty cocky. I'll givehim that a kid. I think he
would have got hit through the glassif that was ten fifteen years ago.
He didn't get hit through the glass. No, I didn't. I would
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love to see him do that.When Scott Stevens is on the ice,
I bet you wouldn't do that,or Chris Pronger on on the other side,
they do, wouldn't do that?You would have told me it told
me that really, Greg, thatthat's what really Greg thought about the Leafs,
that they're they're not tough and they'rewhatever I think it was. It
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was nice to see a response.It was nice to see a response from
a pretty soft team. It's unfortunatethat it cost them their best defenseman five
games because they finally did something fora reaction. Did Riley intend to cross
check him in the back of theneck, probably sending a message that you
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don't do that to us in ourhome barn. It's nice to see a
reaction. So five games is fair, I think so. But but it
was I used to see somewhat ofa pushback from from a Leafs team that
had to be challenged by the headcoach to do something like That's my take.
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Here's my take. Is it themost ballsy thing I've seen this year?
Yeah? Do I like show?Body? No, I'm as old
school as you can get. Idon't in this case though, I'm not.
I'm not saying what he did wasright. I don't. I don't
think what he did was right.But here's here's my justification on why I
think he did it. I thinkhe's like, you know what, I
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gotta come play in Ottawa where it'sbeen a shit show all year. The
Leafs tell us how great they are. The hockey world tells us every day
how great they are. We gotsports nets slamming down our throat every day.
The least the least, the leavesthe least, the least. I
look around my building in Ottawa andthere's more Leafs fans than Sence fans.
Here's a giant middle finger tally.That's cock for sure. Right now,
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Ridley greg will be a hero andOutawa until the day dies. He will
be a hero. Leaves. Yeah, he showed up the leaves and you
know what, here's the way,here's the way I look at the response.
What I maybe have done the samething, probably in the in the
emotion, with the emotions, right, he'd have been smarter if he instantly
would have dropped his gloves and wentover there. Yeah, he wouldn't even
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got suspended. There wasn't even apenalty. Now, when you look at
the suspense in five games, Ithink it's a joke because I want to
know. Here's one thing that here'shere's here's one thing that nobody talked about
all week. That's really puzzling tome. This action happened after a whistle.
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The play was not going on.When Rasmus Anderson dirty hit Liney with
three seconds to go in the game, there was three seconds to go.
Hold on, hold on, though, that was that was a direct leaving
your feet right to the didn't youhear what it said? He what I
just said? When Anderson Dirty hitLining the game was still playing though,
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right this is after a whistle hehid in the hockey play Where are you
going with this? Then? AllI'm saying is, I want to know
why this is any different than DaleHunter hitting Pierre Turjon where he got twenty
one games. I want to know, and that was in the playoffs.
I want to know why this isany different. It's the exact same thing.
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That's exactly what came to mind forme. Exact same Okay, of
course I was like, oh,it's the same thing. Maybe I'm first
I gave it the benefit the doorthat maybe I'm remembering that wrong. So
I youtubed it, I watched it. I'm like, holy shit, this
is the exact same thing. Thisis literally the same thing he went.
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You know, I'm in the samepart of the boards. Even I'm like,
oh my god, this is likean instant replay hit twenty one games
in the playoffs, Morgan rally getsfive. It's a joke, and you
want to know what really real corks. My ass on this thing is that
Sportsnet all year and Ellie Freedom whoI am. I'm the biggest fan of
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Elliot Freedman. I have the mostrespect for that guy in the world,
and I'm not gonna lose it overthis one thing. But I get a
question. They all come and defendand say this was not a big deal.
The next day on sports Talk,everybody at Sportsnet said, this is
just minimize. They minimize, minimizeand minimize, minimize. You want to
know why they minimized it. Dothe least pay their paychecks? I guess
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I'm just I don't. All man, it's a bad look. Jennifer Botterhill
freaking crucified those guys on the showabout a month and a half ago for
dirty play. Yeah, and nowshe like was the Now she was the
exact opposite. Though now she wasthe exact opposite. Got blasted on Twitter
for it and went as far asto block everybody the blasted her. It's
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a joke. It's a joke.This this came from the top. I
guarantee those Sportsnet people were told,you have to have this opinion. This
is the leafs. These guys payour way, they pay our way.
You have to have this opinion.It's crazy to me, and I'm an
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old school as you get, andif I was Morgan Riley, I probably
would have done the same damn thing, because I think he had to do
right. He was in a badspot. He had the Leafs didn't do
anything, they would be labeled asthe softest team of all time. I
agree, where they still are,but I agree, I agree, but
you're right, he was in ahorrible position. I kind of feel bad
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for the poor dude, but Ireally think that this should have been I
mean, if you want to setan example for this league not condoning violence,
this is it, right? Dropball? Sorry, drop the ball?
Yeah, you know what. Nowit's set of precedence now everybody that
that does this. So the othernight, like I think it was the
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same day. Was it the sameday that the guy did the gritty dance
in front of the Caducks bench.No, that wasn't in front of the
Canucks bench or the other time theother side of the ring. Okay,
still, but he did the dance. Why didn't the Canucks go over there
and belt a live and shit outhim? Because the game's over, you
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get fucked ten ten game suspension forleaving the bench. Game's over. Same,
I know, but listen to me, and I understand it's a little
different situation. But the first place, do you think they really care about
an overtime loss to Detroit on aSaturday, Like, listen to me,
Listen to me, Listen to me. I'm using it as an example of
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someone showing up another team. Okay, now next, but listen when you
finish my sentence, they couldn't doit because they were all on the bench.
I get it, I get it, and I'm not calling out the
Canucks at all. All I'm sayingis they're setting to precedence in this league.
The next time somebody does a littlegritty dance out there and someone belts
them one, you can't give themover five games. You can't give him
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all five games. Yeah, Iguess, And who knows, maybe next
time Detroit is in Vancouver or somethinghappens. I don't know how they feel
about that. Personally, I don'thave the right. You have the right
to celebrate an overtime goal. Whocares you're you're taking it the wrong way.
I'm not calling out the Connects forthis because they didn't have a choice
in the matter. They weren't onthe ice. All I'm saying is the
next time somebody celebrates, I'm tellingyou what. Remember Whenovechkin did the hot
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stick, Yeah, I have brokehis wrist, and if you do it
now, you only get five games. They league set a precedence, and
no one talked the whole week aboutit being after the whistle. And then
Keith goes on and says he couldhave just said no comment right what he
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said? Every other coach in theleague's find No, he didn't know how
he said it. He goes itwas it was the right thing to do.
How he didn't say anything bad toget fined. He said it was
the right thing to do. Hesaid he liked He said he liked their
response. What's wrong with saying that? What? Okay? So then looking
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I like their response to their response, No, I don't. I would
have dropped my gloves and went overthere and fought him, hit him like
a man. I wouldn't have ranhim. How to hit him like a
man? I dropped my gull.I would have done it. There would
have been a damn spots, that'sfor sure. And Morgan rally is fully
capable of beating a living piss ona ride at Redlely Greg, because I
think he would have yeah, andthen he wouldn't have got suspended at all.
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Then he could have been a realhero. I don't know. It
happens quick though. But let's let'slet's talk about something that not many people
are talking about right now. SoMorgan Rally's gonna peel the suspension. So
it's going to that's funny. We'rejust going to delay that inadvitable, I
guess. But so the Leaves arebarely liking a playoff spot. Now they're
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gonna be without their best de manfor five games. That'll be fine,
because you know what, sometimes thingslike this sneakily change a team and pull
them together. This might be goodfor the lease, It really might it
maybe for the least. Yeah,and I may be thinking a little bit
out of the boxer, but Ithink it might be good for the lease.
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Good. Some other crazy things thathappened this week. What did you
think of Winnipeg's hit Brandon Dylan?Uh hit Pittsburgh. Uh, Pittsburgh Penguin
was forward? Uh military? Yeah, it was dirty, it was dirty.
I don't care. Everyone's like,oh, well, Dylan's six foot
four and he's five foot nine.He's been over no, and I'm I'm
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a good owner of that. Buthe did go el But to the hit
on that one, Oh, itwas so clear as day. I'm all,
I'm honestly surprised. You only havefour games? I thought I was
in person here, I thought,yeah, three even three? Yeah,
like, I thought, so whatwhat is the difference between that and Brendan
Gallagher where you got five games?Was never suspended? That one was even
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more targeted though, that one waseven more targeted. Sure, but it
was both right to the head.I agree, I agree, and they
both went out of their way tocontact the head, extended on it,
right into him, right into him, where Dylan just blew. Dylan didn't
have to hit him though he didn'thave to. No, So I don't
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know, man, did we I'mso puzzled, Man, I don't know.
I don't know what goalie interference is. The Doorhofs like, I don't
even think that was a bad hit. Oh my god, he went watched
the one angle. Watched the oneangle they literally from the corner behind the
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restroom. No, the one anglefrom the side. They just collided helmets
Blake I've got a picture right onmy screen, right here, and I'm
sorry, Will you go frame byframe and freeze it? Like, did
he catch some of the head?No? But the yeah, but the
first contact was head head head contact, and then and then his first point
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of contact was elbow to the head. I got it. So so Raymond
should get a two minute penalty foracting like he got shot. That was
the biggest exaggeration I've ever seen.Blake the guy like this, dude,
when Rasmus Anderson hit Leney, noteven the same listen to what I'm saying
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the same as a Canucks or asa Flames fan. I fessed up and
said, yeah, he hasn't,he's got it coming. Man. It
was dirty, come on, okay, But like I I didn't think that
that was as egregious as the onewins we just talked about. It wasn't
and it only got two games.Oh man, it wasn't. What did
you think of Grizzlick's spearing. Iwatched this over and over and I don't
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think you know, I don't Ididn't see it. I mean, I
don't think he meant to. Imean, I I don't know. I
don't think he meant to do it. But it's interesting. But I can't
believe how much the hockey world blewup on this Riley thing. Okay,
I just got a comment here.So do you remember when Trent Frederick had
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Jacob Truba's stick tied up and helike went to go get it and he
swung his stick and hit him inthe head and got a fine. People
are like, people are like,oh my god, if Truba only got
a fine, then Riley, youwon't get to spend it. I was
like, it's not even the samething. They're just delusional. Well,
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and then Brian Reeves like, comeon, dude, like you're better than
that, right, You're not.You're you're better than that. I really
like what he said wasn't wrong.Though what he said wasn't wrong. Oh
but he was talking like it wasnineteen eighty. Okay, but the alls
he's saying without saying it is.The game is soft. It is.
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But you know what radibly soft.It's so funny. You know what's so
funny about this though, The teamthat keeps telling us that the league is
so soft is the Maple Leafs,who are the epitome of soft. But
the whole league is soft, man, It's I would not say the league
is soft. I think I thinkit's soft skin in the league has given
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way to skill. And what's funnyabout this is everybody, like in yourself,
say I want more skill. Iwant more skill. I want more
skill. But what sadly is themore skill you get, the less physicality
you get. So which one doyou like? I like a happy matal.
I think the games, I guessyou know. I mean, I
don't want to go back to thenineteen nineties when we're clutching and grabbing and
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beating the shit out of each otherevery play, do you I mean that
was what that was? Literally whatfifteen twenty years ago after the lockout that
all go out change, they startedcalling that stuff. Yeah you I want
to go back to that? Toyou, I don't. But aren't we
talking? But aren't we just talkingabout playoff hockey? Isn't that what happens?
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Well, and that's the fault ofthe tail if the tail of two
rule books. Yep, we've complainedabout all the talking and grabbing and slashing
that they all let that ship goin the playoffs. Okay, it comes
back not to the extent it usedto be. But yes, not to
the extent, not to the extent. But hey, that that post that
pre locker rule buck comes back inthe playoffs. I agree, I agree,
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and I don't think it's right.And we've talked about it many times
on the show. I think weare. We are totally in agreement on
that, don't you think? Yeah? Yeah, all right, let's go
around the league. Lots to talkabout, all right, marches is NHL
trended trade deadline that's about a monthaway, a little over a month away,
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a little less than a month.Await what am I talking about?
A little less than a month away? Some big targets out there, not
probably the glitz and the glamour thatwe've seen in years past. But let's
let's talk about a few. Andthen I want to ask you a couple
of questions about some marginal teams,and I want you to tell me if
you think they're buyers or sellers.First, let's talk you know, biggest
trade targets out there, probably christennevJake, Gensel, Noah, hannifan h.
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I see I keep Vitrano from Anaheim, Parasenko's names on there. I'm
not sure why anybody wanted to goafter to that. But kriver Zegres is
on there, Jacob Chickrin's on there, Mark Andnre Flurry is on it,
which one is interesting. And thenI keep seeing Coppo Cocko's name floating around.
But a lot of the talk thisweek centered around Jacob Markstrom, and
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I wanted to get your take onthat and get what you thought on that,
And I'll give my two cents,of course, because that's what we
do on this show. Number one, do you think the Calgary would ever
consider trading Jacob Markstrom? Or?And part two that would you if you
were in Craig conry shoes? Whatwould you do? Would you? Would
you want to move him or wouldyou want to keep him? While what
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I've been reading that Marksham waved hisno move to go to Jersey? Is
that correct, Frank Survelli or ishe lying? I don't know. Here's
my here's my thoughts on this.Eric Francis pushed back a little bit on
that. He made a comment thathe said, you know, usually when
a guy has a no move clause, the two general manners involved in the
trade come up with a trade agreethat if he waves it, it's a
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go, and then they go tothe player. They never had a trade
in place, So why would yougo to the player if a trade was
never in place. Yeah, Iguess there's two ways to go about that.
I could totally see Marksham waving togo to New Jersey. I could.
I could definitely see that. NowNew Jersey doesn't have much cap and
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Marksham makes six million dollars, sothat is the hurdle like that that most
likely stopped all those talks. Ithink that uh Conroy should trade Marksrom.
I think he should. I thinkyou should maximize his value. He's not
going to get any younger. Hisvalues at an all time high right now.
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He's has like a nine to sixtysave percentage his last six starts.
What do you think you're gonna getfrom you? Probably the more you retain,
the more you get back. Thatthat's for sure. I think if
you retain you, if you retainthree million bucks, you'll get a first
round pick back. You probably geta top prospect. I wouldn't do that
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then, because for the next twomore years, you have to retain.
Every year, Oh not this year, it's this next last, isn't it?
You next year's is last year.No, it's not. He's got
two more years after this year.Yes, you sure about that? That
might be wrong, I'm pulling up, but they would have to retain they
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got two more years after this year. That can retain for three million a
year for three years. Why wouldyou ever do that? Well, it's
pro rated this year, so thatget you got to retain three There's no
way. Why would you do that. I would if I was going to
do that, I'd say I wanta roster player, two top prospects,
a first and a second. Yeah, well, no one's that. No
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one's going to give you that.No, well, then nobody's gonna makeet
traded because that is now. Thatis outrageous. For a thirty five year
old goaltender who is the best goalin the league this week, in the
last couple of weeks, I'm notsaying he's the best goal in the league
this year. I'm saying he's atop five goalie this year. He's streaky.
Let's just say that. Tell mea goalie that isn't when he's there's
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a lot of consistent goalies who well, I'm not saying I'm set, like
dude, I'm not saying every goalieplays great every game, but it's part
of every the other year. Everyother year Mark has been bad. Two
years ago he had ten shoutouts,led the league and wins, Calgary won
the division. So you're supposed togive him away, then hold on.
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Last year he was awful. Thisyear he's back to being good again.
So I this the Calgary is ina retool, right, isn't the best
thing for a retool? Mark Strimis not a part of their plants.
I can promise you that. Well, he probably is for the next two
years. Okay, are the Flamesgoing to be contenders the next two years?
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The answer is no, no,but he's under contract, so who
cares? So sign him for futuresand so you can build your team when
you open your contending window and fouror five years down the road. So
we want to be the Buffalo Sabers. Huh No, they got way more
pieces in place in Buffalo. Theygot some good young kids, Blake.
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All I'm saying is you're gonna throwDustin Wolf to the Wolves. So he's
got to play. He's got toplay and learn. Yeah, so you
do this, so next year youoffload the dar whether it may be on
waivers, it might, it mightbe. So then you next year you
play Wolf thirty games and you playmarks from fifty. And then the following
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year after that, you play marksfrom thirty and you play Wolf fifty.
You do exactly what Nashville did withPeka Rene, and U see sorrows is
you do exactly that? Yeah?But usual. But Peka Rene's game tailed
off pretty steep the last two years, and Marks from May too. But
all I'm saying is, so thegamble you take. Okay, So you
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take the gamble, you trade him, you trade him all his values higher
right now, or you risk thatyou're not gonna get what you're gonna gain
by having him New Jersey. NewJersey might get desperate, dude, I'm
telling you, what, are theygonna go bad? But you know what
here, look at the previous years. Goalies usually don't get you as good
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as a return. Did you thinkthey're gonna get Well? I think goalie's
got a better return in the summerthan mid season, for sure. For
sure, I would agree. Well, you have more teams bidding then,
right, right, right? ButI'm just sitting here looking at this and
I'm thinking everybody in Calgary's screaming fora wolf, and I'm not. I'm
not knocking wolf. I think he'sprobably gonna be okay, But what if
he's not. If he's not,that is a that is a legit concern
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to have as a fan, forsure. I mean, you can,
you can wish and pray someone tothe superstardom, but if he's not a
superstar, then then you're got allluck. Then you're the buffalo sabers.
I'm sorry, I don't want togo down that road. Keeping markson is
a much much more calculated, saferway to get Calgary back up in the
standings. Yeah. I do thinkthough, that if Calgary got an offer
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they couldn't refuse, they would tradehim right now. Sure, but what
would that offer have to be?It have to be a lot, right,
I agree with that. I'm justsaying, like, if Calgary got
offered first a roster player and afirst and a second, I be like,
okay, like we have to dothis, Yeah, then they would.
But I don't think anybody's given that, are They Probably not? Probably
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not, at least not right now. I don't think anybody will. It's
gonna be interesting it's gonna be.I think there's a lot of talk there
going on and not a lot gonnahappen. Yeah, buyers and sellers.
Now, there's some marginal teams rightnow because the standings are kind of a
little bit all over the place.I'm gonna name off a team, and
I want you to tell me ifthey're a buyer or a seller. Tampa
Bay Lightning. They don't got mywall. No. Actually I was gonna
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say they got no cap, butthey actually got that eight point five million
dollars in LTR space. I Ithink their buyer. Okay, Philadelphia fringe
buyers, wait and see you.That's what I'm thinking to Detroit buyers.
Detroit should be buyers, Okay,hanging out to the final the New York
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Island. Where are they at rightnow in the standings, there are three
points out of the final wild cardspot. I think they're gonna just stand
Pat. I don't think they're gonnabe a buyer or a seller. New
Jersey Devils New Jersey should be shouldbe buying or too old to the playoffs
right now? They should be buying. That's why they're aggressive. After Markstrom
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Washington, Uh, what is Washingtoneven after trade Anthony Mantha, Yeah,
I could see them selling. Yeah, I think it's time. I think
it's time. I think it's time. Yeah. Uh. Pittsburgh Penguins.
Pittsburgh should sell. I think sotoo. Yeah, I think you should.
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I think you should trade Genseil.Just kick kick some tires on rust.
Crosby's up in two years. Sothat's they're in a tough spot.
Sing those blue I don't know,man, there's just they're a weird team
to watch. I got I don'tthink they're gonna buy or they're gonna sell.
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Do you think they're just gonna staypat? Yeah, very like them
though it's very unlike them. Yeah. Nashville. I think Nashal is gonna
be buyers there too, audible playoffspot, Yeah, I don't. I
don't think they're gonna be buyers.Seattle, Stan Pat, I don't think
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Seattle smart they're selling well. Iwould trade Everley, I would trade Everly.
Minnesota Wild, they should sell.I think may Show should sell because
the thing that the thing what Minnesotais, Man, there there's gonna be
years that they're in cap hell andyou're not gonna be able to do much.
So now's a good time to tradeflurry. Maybe even this out.
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This may sound insane, kicks tireson Joel Eric Sinak. You might get
a haul for that guy right now. He's on a team. He would
he's on a team friendly deal likefour point are like five point twenty five
for another five years since five center. I don't know, man, I
yeah, I think he. Ithink teams would line up for a boatload
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to give for. Yeah, buthe's the guy you'd have to go looking
for as soon as you trained him. Yeah, but they're not gonna be
contending for a while. So it'slike, how do you know what?
Man? We see that they're sucha they're such a cap hell though coming
up, Man, they got whatlike seven and a half, they got
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like what fourteen million dead money?I know, but blake, when you
look at it, like Vancouver isgonna be in capell, Toronto's gonna be
in Capitil. There's gonna be alot of teams in cap Hell, Like
seriously, there is a lot ofteams in cap Hell, Like I don't
know, Like Minnesota, I was. Every time I say they're dead,
they do something and it it almostmakes me mad because they figure out away.
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Man. They just they do figureout away dead cap. So they
had fourteen point seven this year,fourteen point seven next year and then that's
it. And that's one point sixfrom from there. I know it.
So yeah, they honestly just gotto get through one more year of CA.
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I mean, I don't think Ithought it was worse than that.
I thought it was worse than that. Yeah, Arizona buy or sell four
sale signs. I can't believe we'resaying this should off the ice. They
should sell on the ice they mightbuy. There are eight points out of
a wild card spot. Oh arethey? They slipped back that much as
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they're gonna sell the foresail sign forplaying a right they're selling. They're selling
right to Houston. That's where they'regoing. Okay, So I got a
question for you. That's segues rightinto our next section. More more drop
this week on on Arizona situation.Now, they're supposedly putting up a bid
for land. Right, but evenif they win the bid, which they're
saying they will, which who knowsright promises and farts, I mean,
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then you got then they then theyhave they say that, then the city
would have to agree to build,or that the city would have to agree
to zone it for an arena,which there's no guarantee that happens. There's
just so many things here that thisjust has to change. They need to
relocate. They just need to relocate. Is this Quebec City's chance? Is
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Quebec City the only city ready forthem? They definitely got the facility,
That's what I'm saying. They're theonly only facility ready team. Houston has
a facility. Houston has a facility. Who's gonna they do? Houston Rockets,
they have a facility. What areyou talking about? They don't have
one. Who is going to ownthe team because the Houston Rockets owner is
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cooled a way off on that,right. Okay, that's fair. But
I'm just saying, place are youthinking of places? I'm thinking of places
that have facilities. Here's my thought. You have an ownership group ready in
Quebec and waiting. Send them theground forks. I'm serious, Like,
you have an ownership group ready andwaiting in Quebec City. Is the easiest
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move you know? So do youhave to pay a relocation fee? No?
But the league maybe come up withsomething here. I think I honestly,
if they moved to the city,if they moved to Quebec City,
they honestly might just wave it.What what what? No, Well,
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here's there is no really relocation fee. But what I could see happening is
the league buying the coyotes and thenand then and selling them to the Quebec
organization at a at an inflated rate, so that the owners get their the
other owners get their take, sothe owners get the money they lost from
the cost share revenue. That bunchof bullshit. Yes, that's what I
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could see happening. That's what Icould see happening. Yeah, well do
you know, you damn well knowif Arizona leaves, they will come back.
Oh yeah, because Gary Betman lovesthat market. Reason, how long
is Gary Bettman going to be doingthis. He's not the youngest guy till
till he dies. But you don'twant and Gary Betman's done a really good
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job. I don't know why hegets booed. It's it's obviously because the
lockouts and stuff. But he turnedinto money. It's turned into a joke.
I think you know what I mean. Yeah, Mikail Sergachev goes down
after like a period of playing aftercoming back from injury with a bad bad
one looks like he is. Didwe not? I thought we talked about
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this last week. No, whathappened right after we got done recording.
But I just felt so bad forthe guy. I feel so bad for
the guy. Yeah, it's uhyeah, his uh his post to on
Instagram was that was a tough read. That was a tough read. Yeah,
I feel bad. I knew rightaway as both legs broken to like
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you can, your leg is justnot supposed to bend that way. No,
let's talk a little bit about sincewe're talking defense, and let's talk
about defensive scoring. Did you,in any shades of your imagination think you'd
see McKenzie Wiger at the top ofthe scoring list amongst defensemen. That's not
surprising. You don't think he's gota good shot. He's got a good
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shot. He's he does a goodjob at getting point shots through. Credit
to Calgary standing in front screening thegoalies, because that's that's what a lot
of his his goals are. Theythey ain't all the and then rush is
short side on var them of weaksauce like that one was. But uh
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no, he's been really good.He's been a really good player for a
long time. Yeah, it reallydoesn't surprise me at all. No,
I mean I always thought of himas as a quality coally defenseman. I'm
never really known him for putting uppoints and scoring. Does it surprise me
as a top of the lead.Yeah. But another reason why I wanted
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to bring this up is we gotslammed down our throats for was it last
year or yeah it was last year. How wonderful and amazing Eric Carlson was?
Power play merchant? Power play merchant? What's going on now? Oh?
You know what I mean? Justlike it's a cow? How does
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the guy fall off the face ofthe earth? You know that that much?
Yeah? Well, he's also anenvironment where there was absolutely zero pressure
to play hockey. You're right,yep. And he goes to Pittsburgh where
Crosby's on the back legs at thirtyand you got Gino and you got the
tang and Pittsburgh trying to squeak outin one more cop out of that core,
and all of a sudden you're grippingyour stick a little tighter and you're
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playing with a lot more pressure thanyou had on the last place team in
sounds and and that's what you hadsometimes. That's right, all right,
let's fire on over. It's timefor three questions. It's time for three
questions. All right, time forthree questions. As Blake asked me last
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week, it's my turn this weekto fire three of them at him.
And let's start off with another hottopic this week. Do you think Phil
Kessel will be signed by the Canucks. There's been lots of speculations and now
he's in Abbotsford. And do youthink he will even have an impact on
this team? I think it doesn't. I think it It doesn't cost you
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anything to bring him in. Imean, the guy's a winner. He's
played in talking system, he knowswhat it takes to produce in the playoffs.
And if if the guy's in shape, the Canucks would be crazy not
to sign him. Ask your question, well, I had to say,
Blake, you got to put athousand dollars down on Phil Castle being in
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shape. I'm not taking that bet. I'm not taking the bag. But
okay, Bill Bill will like that. There is a costco for hot dogs
right across the street from the Canucksfacility. I'm just telling you right now
like he would. He actually wasbuzzing around today in the drills and abos
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for it. I was, Iwas, I was looking at some drills.
He's buzzing around there that Do Ithink the Canucks will sign him?
I do think they will sign himbecause okay, I love the Canucks roster.
Right So who does he push outof the lineup? I think it's
ridiculous your pro Wall was he takenout of this lineup? Probably Wall?
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Sam laugh, He's been scratched onand off. Neils a man. I
mean, there's a couple of guysthat you could you could upgrade with,
and you would you rather have PauPaus pause, pause, Paus pause.
Would you rather have Phil Kessel withJ. T. Miller and Brock Besser
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or Phil gi Giuseppe? It shouldn'ttake you that long answer that question,
Brad, I'm looking at the depth. Turtle. Hasn't Suitor been playing with
J. T. Miller? Hehas, But I'd rather have Suitor with
Miller and Besser. So who doyou have a center? Because Peterson,
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Miller, Blueger and Lafferty are listedas your centers. Well now, well,
no, then homes in the middle. Now lynd Holme has been in
the middle. Okay, so yougot Peterson, Lindholm, Miller, and
who is your force center? Patterson'son the wing, so right now it's
right now the center is Lindholm,Miller, Blueger and kneels him on.
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Okay, I don't think it doesIt doesn't hurt anything to just kick around
me. Let me ask this question. Okay, let me ask this question
differently. Your top six are Holeklander, Patterson, Lindholm, Besser, Miller,
and Suitor. Which one of thoseguys does he take because he isn't
going to be a bottom six?Probably PS Suitor, PS Suitor, is
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PS Suitor is PS. Suitor isa good player, he's a great player,
but he's he's a great bottom six. I'm saying it's a great bottom
six. I don't think he's gotenough skill to play in the top six.
And if you, I don't givea shit. I don't give a
how often how off Phil Kessel hasbeen the guy knows how to score goals,
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and he knows how to score goalsin big moments. The guy,
the guy had fifteen goals last yearlike this, This guy, why was
he a scratch in the playoffs.I don't know, man, I just
I can't tell you that. ButI'm but I'm telling you there's familiarity with
Talking, and if Talking wants thisguy, the Canucks are gonna sign him.
Yeah. I got the most outof Phil Kestle. He did.
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I we'll see in Arizona. DoI worry a little bit though about screwing
with this roster with a marginal guylike him, Like if you guys went
out and got like a truly thisguy is a borderline Hall of Fame player.
He's been sitting in the cobo drinkingmartiniz for the last six months.
I'm just saying if he if hecomes in and he You want to think,
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if Phil Kestle signs, he's gonnabe a pretty motivated guy to prove
that he can still play. Right, No, have you ever seen Phil
Kestle motivated? Listen? This everused those two words in the same sentence.
Listen, Man, the guys,the guy's still a good player.
You got to agree with me onthat though, right sure that he had
almost forty points last year with VenuBlake. With anything, it's not a
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lot of risk, but there's notwhat do you mean there's not a lot
of risks. There's there's no riskto this zero. It's a free player.
You don't have a lot of Iknow, but you don't have a
lot of cap space. So Ithink they could set somebody down in a
fort fill for seven sixty five.I know. But we'll see, We'll
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see what happens. It's gonna beat least it's going to be entertaining.
Right, question number two, JonathanQuick has been playing better than Eager Stirking,
but obviously has had a couple ofgood games. Now since the All
Star breaks, you just shut outyour Calgary Oh, he's been good,
But prior to that, Jonathan Quickwas obviously the better of the two.
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Right, You didn't say that JonathanQuick has turned the clock back about ten
years. Yes, you can say, yes he has. My question is,
and this is something that's that's puzzlingto me, is that a lot
of the media fans and New Yorkfans are treating this like a bad thing.
When I look at it as heck, yeah, this is why we
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got him right to hold hold thefort when our when our when our leader,
in our our number one is strugglinga bit. It's just skin going
to struggle for a long time.I guess my question is if the playoffs
started tomorrow, who do you start? We'd be crazy not to start quick.
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See what I would do is Iwould start to stirking. But shortly
she's short, right, And youhave nothing to lose by doing that,
right because you have the guy withconfidence ready to come in. Well,
here's the thing about this too,as if you do it and you start
quick, you know, then yourguy that's waiting in the wing doesn't have
confidence right now, that's fair,But what I'm saying is is the last
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two years you go Susterkin's kind ofgot ran into the ground because there's been
no really backup to push him right. And now come playoff time, this
guy's gonna have. This guy's gonnahave fifty games on his plate instead of
sixty sixty five, and now you'regonna be more fresh for the playoffs.
It's the same thing. It's thesame thing. It's the same example.
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When you talk about a guy likeThatcher Dempko who's been injured the last two
years. They finally bringing a guylike Casey to Smith who's capable of playing
thirty games and all of a suddenyou get to the playoffs and Dempko's only
got fifty games, fifty games underhis belt, and he's a little more
arrested. It's right. So,like I think the backup goalie dude is
the most important position on our roster. Like it is it. It's the
(45:37):
most it's the most important and isthe most overlooked, underrated aspect of a
team. Yep. Because if youdon't have a goaltender that you have faith
in and can trust, you're justgonna have to run your starter into the
ground. Yeah, it's a differentgame, man. Goalies can't play seventy
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five games like broder or La WongoatrickWander back in the day his cat.
Yeah, all right, this mightbe the longest three questions we've ever had
here. Okay, question number three. The Kings handled the Oilers pretty convincingly
and in the entertaining game on Saturdaynight. They followed it up with a
seven to nothing loss to was itBuffalo last night? Yeah, the struggle
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continues. They fired their coach.What's next for the Los Angeles Kings?
Well, do you see who's theirstarter now? Right? David Riddick.
Dave Riddick, and he's been puttingup good numbers. He's six one and
three of the under two goals againsta nine to thirty five save. Did
you see his numbers last night?Yeah? He wasn't good last night for
sure. The goals on five threegames out of the break. They've played
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three games out of the break andCam Talbot had start at any of them.
Is that a little puzzling came inlast night? Yeah? I know
he came in. I'm saying hedidn't he had started. They played three
games out of the break and DavidReddick has started all of them. I'm
gonna tell you something. I watchedDavid Riddick for a lot of years in
Calgary and I always like David Riddick. But if this team is going to
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depend on David Riddick, they're notwell, They're not making that They're not
going to make the playoffs. Ifthat's the case, All right over into
listener question right away. What isyour dream Stanley Cup matchup this season?
What is your dream Stanley Cup matchup? Like? What I want? What
(47:27):
I want to see? What whatStanley Cup final? Do you want?
Give me a oilers and Boston Bruins. That's your, okay, or Canucks
versus Rangers. Mine was Canucks Rangers. I want to watch that. I
want to want Cannock Rangers would beoff the charts, good to watch,
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and we can get some redemption fromnineteen ninety four, four years before I
was wondering, Okay, any ofthat will happen both, okay, buddy,
and we'll pretend for Blake's sake benefits. Well, what will this week
bring in the National Hockey League?Football is done, Baseball's a few weeks
(48:13):
away until basketball sucks. So Iguess the sports rule can focus on hockey
this week like they can. Allright, hockey fan, so enjoy this
week hockey action. We're back nextweek, recording Monday night Tuesday drop on
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Ale Debate Hockey podcast. It's uhyeah, two days late this week.
It is some scheduling conflicts and I'vebeen on the struggle bus this week.
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My wife has been down for thecount for over a week and now I
am not feeling the best. Butwe're gonna pound through it tonight and we
can get through with lots to talkabout. Yep. I had a hockey
game last night, so I totallyforgot about it. Man, it's been
so long since we've had a weekdaygame at home. I was just totally
buying. So that's my bad.But we're here, We're here, We're
(01:02):
gonna go. What were your quickthoughts on the Super Bowl? Yeah?
I really enjoyed it. It's agood game. Halftime show is kind of
He's sang a lot of his newsongs, which made sense why I didn't
really know what how what any ofthem were, But the back half of
(01:23):
it was good because I knew allthe songs. Yeah, it's a good
game. Entertaining overtime can as formore than that. I'm glad that they
changed the overtime rule for the playoffs. That's just common sense. But yeah,
the Chiefs are a dynasty. Theyare. I didn't think we'd have
(01:44):
a dynasty this quick after the Patriots, but here we are. Oh what
else a Winter Classic that gets announcedfor Chicago's for Saint Louis Probably Chicago for
the seventh time in my lifetime.I'm exaggerating, but not really. It's
exaggerating, but not really exaggerating.I guess that it seems like they just
(02:10):
rotate. They just rotate Chicago,Boston, Detroit, Toronto, Saint Louis,
the Rangers, and they's just areRidge recycle. Yeah, it's I
don't know. I mean, like, I know they need to worry about
Radians. And after this year,why not like a why not try and
(02:30):
spice up a rivalry and do aCanucks versus Cracking in Seattle alumin Field or
something like something different. Because sayingthat, because I'm a fan, I
don't really care. I'm gonna tellyou something. There is nothing about a
Winter Classic that's gonna spice up arivalry because it's a lot just as just
added storyline I'm just saying, no, I know what you're trying to get
(02:53):
at. I just just give mesomething different than Chicago and Detroit, or
how about this, how about wejust get rid of it. Yeah,
I'm not a fan outdoor game,so you know where I stand on that.
I'm not either. I'm not eitherspeaking of things that I'm not a
fan of. The Waste Management GolfClassic used to be one of my favorite
(03:14):
tournaments. It's out of control people. People are idiots. People are idiots.
They just need opsecurity and not letthem run on the course. It's
not three drink minimum. We've provenas adults that we can't be trusted to
handle all the guys doing stow angelsin the bunker. Hey, it's it's
(03:36):
a cool atmosphere. I actually wantto go there one day, Like,
that's a cool atmosphere. It wascool, but now it's been taken over
and now it's been pushed over thelimit. Right, it used to be
fun. Now it's not fun anymore. Now it's I mean, players are
just going to quit going, yeahquick going. Players don't want to get
beer thrown at him and stuff.Yeah, I get it. But the
(03:57):
players are okay with the fun likeit was five years ago, but now
it's not fun anymore. Now it'scomplete idiocy. Yeah, speaking of complete
stupidity, we are we have ajam back show, but the started off.
We're going to talk about the unravelingleafs, the controversy, the Gonk
show that this week was, andwe'll go around talk about deadline targets,
(04:19):
relocation, surgate, chef injury,and d man scoring, hope play.
It's the hottest topic going in hockeyright now. The I always don't like
to talk about the hottest topic going, but how do you not? How
(04:39):
do you not? Especially in ashow called the debate? And I don't
know if we're going to debate onthis because I have not I have not
gotten your take. So we're gonnathis is completely we don't know each other's
take on this. Let's talk aboutthe slap shot, empty and edit,
the response, the suspension, andall the idiot stuff that has come of
(05:03):
of this. Uh, I don'tneed to explain what happened. If you're
watching or if you're watching or listeningto this show, you know enough of
what happened. Still, I wantto get your take on this, and
then I'll give you mine, andthen we can go back and forth with
the questions. I think the momentgot him for sure. Hockey, We'll
(05:27):
start at the beginning, Start atthe beginning. What did you think of
the empty netter? Yeah, I'mjust saying I think the emotions got to
Ridley Greg Saturday night against the Leavesin Toronto. It's a it's a big
time rivalry. Ottaway has had alot of success against Toronto for some odd
(05:47):
reason this year. And did youlike the move or hate the move?
It's it's pretty cocky. I'll givehim that a kid. I think he
would have got hit through the glassif that was ten fifteen years ago.
He didn't get hit through the glass. No, I didn't. I would
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love to see him do that.When Scott Stevens is on the ice,
I bet you wouldn't do that,or Chris Pronger on on the other side,
they do, wouldn't do that?You would have told me it told
me that really, Greg, thatthat's what really Greg thought about the Leafs,
that they're they're not tough and they'rewhatever I think it was. It
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was nice to see a response.It was nice to see a response from
a pretty soft team. It's unfortunatethat it cost them their best defenseman five
games because they finally did something fora reaction. Did Riley intend to cross
check him in the back of theneck, probably sending a message that you
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don't do that to us in ourhome barn. It's nice to see a
reaction. So five games is fair, I think so. But but it
was I used to see somewhat ofa pushback from from a Leafs team that
had to be challenged by the headcoach to do something like That's my take.
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Here's my take. Is it themost ballsy thing I've seen this year?
Yeah? Do I like show?Body? No, I'm as old
school as you can get. Idon't in this case though, I'm not.
I'm not saying what he did wasright. I don't. I don't
think what he did was right.But here's here's my justification on why I
think he did it. I thinkhe's like, you know what, I
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gotta come play in Ottawa where it'sbeen a shit show all year. The
Leafs tell us how great they are. The hockey world tells us every day
how great they are. We gotsports nets slamming down our throat every day.
The least the least, the leavesthe least, the least. I
look around my building in Ottawa andthere's more Leafs fans than Sence fans.
Here's a giant middle finger tally.That's cock for sure. Right now,
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Ridley greg will be a hero andOutawa until the day dies. He will
be a hero. Leaves. Yeah, he showed up the leaves and you
know what, here's the way,here's the way I look at the response.
What I maybe have done the samething, probably in the in the
emotion, with the emotions, right, he'd have been smarter if he instantly
would have dropped his gloves and wentover there. Yeah, he wouldn't even
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got suspended. There wasn't even apenalty. Now, when you look at
the suspense in five games, Ithink it's a joke because I want to
know. Here's one thing that here'shere's here's one thing that nobody talked about
all week. That's really puzzling tome. This action happened after a whistle.
(08:43):
The play was not going on.When Rasmus Anderson dirty hit Liney with
three seconds to go in the game, there was three seconds to go.
Hold on, hold on, though, that was that was a direct leaving
your feet right to the didn't youhear what it said? He what I
just said? When Anderson Dirty hitLining the game was still playing though,
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right this is after a whistle hehid in the hockey play Where are you
going with this? Then? AllI'm saying is, I want to know
why this is any different than DaleHunter hitting Pierre Turjon where he got twenty
one games. I want to know, and that was in the playoffs.
I want to know why this isany different. It's the exact same thing.
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That's exactly what came to mind forme. Exact same Okay, of
course I was like, oh,it's the same thing. Maybe I'm first
I gave it the benefit the doorthat maybe I'm remembering that wrong. So
I youtubed it, I watched it. I'm like, holy shit, this
is the exact same thing. Thisis literally the same thing he went.
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You know, I'm in the samepart of the boards. Even I'm like,
oh my god, this is likean instant replay hit twenty one games
in the playoffs, Morgan rally getsfive. It's a joke, and you
want to know what really real corks. My ass on this thing is that
Sportsnet all year and Ellie Freedom whoI am. I'm the biggest fan of
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Elliot Freedman. I have the mostrespect for that guy in the world,
and I'm not gonna lose it overthis one thing. But I get a
question. They all come and defendand say this was not a big deal.
The next day on sports Talk,everybody at Sportsnet said, this is
just minimize. They minimize, minimizeand minimize, minimize. You want to
know why they minimized it. Dothe least pay their paychecks? I guess
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I'm just I don't. All man, it's a bad look. Jennifer Botterhill
freaking crucified those guys on the showabout a month and a half ago for
dirty play. Yeah, and nowshe like was the Now she was the
exact opposite. Though now she wasthe exact opposite. Got blasted on Twitter
for it and went as far asto block everybody the blasted her. It's
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a joke. It's a joke.This this came from the top. I
guarantee those Sportsnet people were told,you have to have this opinion. This
is the leafs. These guys payour way, they pay our way.
You have to have this opinion.It's crazy to me, and I'm an
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old school as you get, andif I was Morgan Riley, I probably
would have done the same damn thing, because I think he had to do
right. He was in a badspot. He had the Leafs didn't do
anything, they would be labeled asthe softest team of all time. I
agree, where they still are,but I agree, I agree, but
you're right, he was in ahorrible position. I kind of feel bad
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for the poor dude, but Ireally think that this should have been I
mean, if you want to setan example for this league not condoning violence,
this is it, right? Dropball? Sorry, drop the ball?
Yeah, you know what. Nowit's set of precedence now everybody that
that does this. So the othernight, like I think it was the
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same day. Was it the sameday that the guy did the gritty dance
in front of the Caducks bench.No, that wasn't in front of the
Canucks bench or the other time theother side of the ring. Okay,
still, but he did the dance. Why didn't the Canucks go over there
and belt a live and shit outhim? Because the game's over, you
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get fucked ten ten game suspension forleaving the bench. Game's over. Same,
I know, but listen to me, and I understand it's a little
different situation. But the first place, do you think they really care about
an overtime loss to Detroit on aSaturday, Like, listen to me,
Listen to me, Listen to me. I'm using it as an example of
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someone showing up another team. Okay, now next, but listen when you
finish my sentence, they couldn't doit because they were all on the bench.
I get it, I get it, and I'm not calling out the
Canucks at all. All I'm sayingis they're setting to precedence in this league.
The next time somebody does a littlegritty dance out there and someone belts
them one, you can't give themover five games. You can't give him
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all five games. Yeah, Iguess, And who knows, maybe next
time Detroit is in Vancouver or somethinghappens. I don't know how they feel
about that. Personally, I don'thave the right. You have the right
to celebrate an overtime goal. Whocares you're you're taking it the wrong way.
I'm not calling out the Connects forthis because they didn't have a choice
in the matter. They weren't onthe ice. All I'm saying is the
next time somebody celebrates, I'm tellingyou what. Remember Whenovechkin did the hot
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stick, Yeah, I have brokehis wrist, and if you do it
now, you only get five games. They league set a precedence, and
no one talked the whole week aboutit being after the whistle. And then
Keith goes on and says he couldhave just said no comment right what he
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said? Every other coach in theleague's find No, he didn't know how
he said it. He goes itwas it was the right thing to do.
How he didn't say anything bad toget fined. He said it was
the right thing to do. Hesaid he liked He said he liked their
response. What's wrong with saying that? What? Okay? So then looking
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I like their response to their response, No, I don't. I would
have dropped my gloves and went overthere and fought him, hit him like
a man. I wouldn't have ranhim. How to hit him like a
man? I dropped my gull.I would have done it. There would
have been a damn spots, that'sfor sure. And Morgan rally is fully
capable of beating a living piss ona ride at Redlely Greg, because I
think he would have yeah, andthen he wouldn't have got suspended at all.
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Then he could have been a realhero. I don't know. It
happens quick though. But let's let'slet's talk about something that not many people
are talking about right now. SoMorgan Rally's gonna peel the suspension. So
it's going to that's funny. We'rejust going to delay that inadvitable, I
guess. But so the Leaves arebarely liking a playoff spot. Now they're
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gonna be without their best de manfor five games. That'll be fine,
because you know what, sometimes thingslike this sneakily change a team and pull
them together. This might be goodfor the lease, It really might it
maybe for the least. Yeah,and I may be thinking a little bit
out of the boxer, but Ithink it might be good for the lease.
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Good. Some other crazy things thathappened this week. What did you
think of Winnipeg's hit Brandon Dylan?Uh hit Pittsburgh. Uh, Pittsburgh Penguin
was forward? Uh military? Yeah, it was dirty, it was dirty.
I don't care. Everyone's like,oh, well, Dylan's six foot
four and he's five foot nine.He's been over no, and I'm I'm
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a good owner of that. Buthe did go el But to the hit
on that one, Oh, itwas so clear as day. I'm all,
I'm honestly surprised. You only havefour games? I thought I was
in person here, I thought,yeah, three even three? Yeah,
like, I thought, so whatwhat is the difference between that and Brendan
Gallagher where you got five games?Was never suspended? That one was even
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more targeted though, that one waseven more targeted. Sure, but it
was both right to the head.I agree, I agree, and they
both went out of their way tocontact the head, extended on it,
right into him, right into him, where Dylan just blew. Dylan didn't
have to hit him though he didn'thave to. No, So I don't
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know, man, did we I'mso puzzled, Man, I don't know.
I don't know what goalie interference is. The Doorhofs like, I don't
even think that was a bad hit. Oh my god, he went watched
the one angle. Watched the oneangle they literally from the corner behind the
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restroom. No, the one anglefrom the side. They just collided helmets
Blake I've got a picture right onmy screen, right here, and I'm
sorry, Will you go frame byframe and freeze it? Like, did
he catch some of the head?No? But the yeah, but the
first contact was head head head contact, and then and then his first point
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of contact was elbow to the head. I got it. So so Raymond
should get a two minute penalty foracting like he got shot. That was
the biggest exaggeration I've ever seen.Blake the guy like this, dude,
when Rasmus Anderson hit Leney, noteven the same listen to what I'm saying
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the same as a Canucks or asa Flames fan. I fessed up and
said, yeah, he hasn't,he's got it coming. Man. It
was dirty, come on, okay, But like I I didn't think that
that was as egregious as the onewins we just talked about. It wasn't
and it only got two games.Oh man, it wasn't. What did
you think of Grizzlick's spearing. Iwatched this over and over and I don't
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think you know, I don't Ididn't see it. I mean, I
don't think he meant to. Imean, I I don't know. I
don't think he meant to do it. But it's interesting. But I can't
believe how much the hockey world blewup on this Riley thing. Okay,
I just got a comment here.So do you remember when Trent Frederick had
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Jacob Truba's stick tied up and helike went to go get it and he
swung his stick and hit him inthe head and got a fine. People
are like, people are like,oh my god, if Truba only got
a fine, then Riley, youwon't get to spend it. I was
like, it's not even the samething. They're just delusional. Well,
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and then Brian Reeves like, comeon, dude, like you're better than
that, right, You're not.You're you're better than that. I really
like what he said wasn't wrong.Though what he said wasn't wrong. Oh
but he was talking like it wasnineteen eighty. Okay, but the alls
he's saying without saying it is.The game is soft. It is.
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But you know what radibly soft.It's so funny. You know what's so
funny about this though, The teamthat keeps telling us that the league is
so soft is the Maple Leafs,who are the epitome of soft. But
the whole league is soft, man, It's I would not say the league
is soft. I think I thinkit's soft skin in the league has given
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way to skill. And what's funnyabout this is everybody, like in yourself,
say I want more skill. Iwant more skill. I want more
skill. But what sadly is themore skill you get, the less physicality
you get. So which one doyou like? I like a happy matal.
I think the games, I guessyou know. I mean, I
don't want to go back to thenineteen nineties when we're clutching and grabbing and
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beating the shit out of each otherevery play, do you I mean that
was what that was? Literally whatfifteen twenty years ago after the lockout that
all go out change, they startedcalling that stuff. Yeah you I want
to go back to that? Toyou, I don't. But aren't we
talking? But aren't we just talkingabout playoff hockey? Isn't that what happens?
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Well, and that's the fault ofthe tail if the tail of two
rule books. Yep, we've complainedabout all the talking and grabbing and slashing
that they all let that ship goin the playoffs. Okay, it comes
back not to the extent it usedto be. But yes, not to
the extent, not to the extent. But hey, that that post that
pre locker rule buck comes back inthe playoffs. I agree, I agree,
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and I don't think it's right.And we've talked about it many times
on the show. I think weare. We are totally in agreement on
that, don't you think? Yeah? Yeah, all right, let's go
around the league. Lots to talkabout, all right, marches is NHL
trended trade deadline that's about a monthaway, a little over a month away,
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a little less than a month.Await what am I talking about?
A little less than a month away? Some big targets out there, not
probably the glitz and the glamour thatwe've seen in years past. But let's
let's talk about a few. Andthen I want to ask you a couple
of questions about some marginal teams,and I want you to tell me if
you think they're buyers or sellers.First, let's talk you know, biggest
trade targets out there, probably christennevJake, Gensel, Noah, hannifan h.
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I see I keep Vitrano from Anaheim, Parasenko's names on there. I'm
not sure why anybody wanted to goafter to that. But kriver Zegres is
on there, Jacob Chickrin's on there, Mark Andnre Flurry is on it,
which one is interesting. And thenI keep seeing Coppo Cocko's name floating around.
But a lot of the talk thisweek centered around Jacob Markstrom, and
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I wanted to get your take onthat and get what you thought on that,
And I'll give my two cents,of course, because that's what we
do on this show. Number one, do you think the Calgary would ever
consider trading Jacob Markstrom? Or?And part two that would you if you
were in Craig conry shoes? Whatwould you do? Would you? Would
you want to move him or wouldyou want to keep him? While what
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I've been reading that Marksham waved hisno move to go to Jersey? Is
that correct, Frank Survelli or ishe lying? I don't know. Here's
my here's my thoughts on this.Eric Francis pushed back a little bit on
that. He made a comment thathe said, you know, usually when
a guy has a no move clause, the two general manners involved in the
trade come up with a trade agreethat if he waves it, it's a
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go, and then they go tothe player. They never had a trade
in place, So why would yougo to the player if a trade was
never in place. Yeah, Iguess there's two ways to go about that.
I could totally see Marksham waving togo to New Jersey. I could.
I could definitely see that. NowNew Jersey doesn't have much cap and
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Marksham makes six million dollars, sothat is the hurdle like that that most
likely stopped all those talks. Ithink that uh Conroy should trade Marksrom.
I think he should. I thinkyou should maximize his value. He's not
going to get any younger. Hisvalues at an all time high right now.
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He's has like a nine to sixtysave percentage his last six starts.
What do you think you're gonna getfrom you? Probably the more you retain,
the more you get back. Thatthat's for sure. I think if
you retain you, if you retainthree million bucks, you'll get a first
round pick back. You probably geta top prospect. I wouldn't do that
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then, because for the next twomore years, you have to retain.
Every year, Oh not this year, it's this next last, isn't it?
You next year's is last year.No, it's not. He's got
two more years after this year.Yes, you sure about that? That
might be wrong, I'm pulling up, but they would have to retain they
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got two more years after this year. That can retain for three million a
year for three years. Why wouldyou ever do that? Well, it's
pro rated this year, so thatget you got to retain three There's no
way. Why would you do that. I would if I was going to
do that, I'd say I wanta roster player, two top prospects,
a first and a second. Yeah, well, no one's that. No
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one's going to give you that.No, well, then nobody's gonna makeet
traded because that is now. Thatis outrageous. For a thirty five year
old goaltender who is the best goalin the league this week, in the
last couple of weeks, I'm notsaying he's the best goal in the league
this year. I'm saying he's atop five goalie this year. He's streaky.
Let's just say that. Tell mea goalie that isn't when he's there's
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a lot of consistent goalies who well, I'm not saying I'm set, like
dude, I'm not saying every goalieplays great every game, but it's part
of every the other year. Everyother year Mark has been bad. Two
years ago he had ten shoutouts,led the league and wins, Calgary won
the division. So you're supposed togive him away, then hold on.
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Last year he was awful. Thisyear he's back to being good again.
So I this the Calgary is ina retool, right, isn't the best
thing for a retool? Mark Strimis not a part of their plants.
I can promise you that. Well, he probably is for the next two
years. Okay, are the Flamesgoing to be contenders the next two years?
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The answer is no, no,but he's under contract, so who
cares? So sign him for futuresand so you can build your team when
you open your contending window and fouror five years down the road. So
we want to be the Buffalo Sabers. Huh No, they got way more
pieces in place in Buffalo. Theygot some good young kids, Blake.
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All I'm saying is you're gonna throwDustin Wolf to the Wolves. So he's
got to play. He's got toplay and learn. Yeah, so you
do this, so next year youoffload the dar whether it may be on
waivers, it might, it mightbe. So then you next year you
play Wolf thirty games and you playmarks from fifty. And then the following
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year after that, you play marksfrom thirty and you play Wolf fifty.
You do exactly what Nashville did withPeka Rene, and U see sorrows is
you do exactly that? Yeah?But usual. But Peka Rene's game tailed
off pretty steep the last two years, and Marks from May too. But
all I'm saying is, so thegamble you take. Okay, So you
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take the gamble, you trade him, you trade him all his values higher
right now, or you risk thatyou're not gonna get what you're gonna gain
by having him New Jersey. NewJersey might get desperate, dude, I'm
telling you, what, are theygonna go bad? But you know what
here, look at the previous years. Goalies usually don't get you as good
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as a return. Did you thinkthey're gonna get Well? I think goalie's
got a better return in the summerthan mid season, for sure. For
sure, I would agree. Well, you have more teams bidding then,
right, right, right? ButI'm just sitting here looking at this and
I'm thinking everybody in Calgary's screaming fora wolf, and I'm not. I'm
not knocking wolf. I think he'sprobably gonna be okay, But what if
he's not. If he's not,that is a that is a legit concern
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to have as a fan, forsure. I mean, you can,
you can wish and pray someone tothe superstardom, but if he's not a
superstar, then then you're got allluck. Then you're the buffalo sabers.
I'm sorry, I don't want togo down that road. Keeping markson is
a much much more calculated, saferway to get Calgary back up in the
standings. Yeah. I do thinkthough, that if Calgary got an offer
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they couldn't refuse, they would tradehim right now. Sure, but what
would that offer have to be?It have to be a lot, right,
I agree with that. I'm justsaying, like, if Calgary got
offered first a roster player and afirst and a second, I be like,
okay, like we have to dothis, Yeah, then they would.
But I don't think anybody's given that, are They Probably not? Probably
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not, at least not right now. I don't think anybody will. It's
gonna be interesting it's gonna be.I think there's a lot of talk there
going on and not a lot gonnahappen. Yeah, buyers and sellers.
Now, there's some marginal teams rightnow because the standings are kind of a
little bit all over the place.I'm gonna name off a team, and
I want you to tell me ifthey're a buyer or a seller. Tampa
Bay Lightning. They don't got mywall. No. Actually I was gonna
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say they got no cap, butthey actually got that eight point five million
dollars in LTR space. I Ithink their buyer. Okay, Philadelphia fringe
buyers, wait and see you.That's what I'm thinking to Detroit buyers.
Detroit should be buyers, Okay,hanging out to the final the New York
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Island. Where are they at rightnow in the standings, there are three
points out of the final wild cardspot. I think they're gonna just stand
Pat. I don't think they're gonnabe a buyer or a seller. New
Jersey Devils New Jersey should be shouldbe buying or too old to the playoffs
right now? They should be buying. That's why they're aggressive. After Markstrom
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Washington, Uh, what is Washingtoneven after trade Anthony Mantha, Yeah,
I could see them selling. Yeah, I think it's time. I think
it's time. I think it's time. Yeah. Uh. Pittsburgh Penguins.
Pittsburgh should sell. I think sotoo. Yeah, I think you should.
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I think you should trade Genseil.Just kick kick some tires on rust.
Crosby's up in two years. Sothat's they're in a tough spot.
Sing those blue I don't know,man, there's just they're a weird team
to watch. I got I don'tthink they're gonna buy or they're gonna sell.
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Do you think they're just gonna staypat? Yeah, very like them
though it's very unlike them. Yeah. Nashville. I think Nashal is gonna
be buyers there too, audible playoffspot, Yeah, I don't. I
don't think they're gonna be buyers.Seattle, Stan Pat, I don't think
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Seattle smart they're selling well. Iwould trade Everley, I would trade Everly.
Minnesota Wild, they should sell.I think may Show should sell because
the thing that the thing what Minnesotais, Man, there there's gonna be
years that they're in cap hell andyou're not gonna be able to do much.
So now's a good time to tradeflurry. Maybe even this out.
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This may sound insane, kicks tireson Joel Eric Sinak. You might get
a haul for that guy right now. He's on a team. He would
he's on a team friendly deal likefour point are like five point twenty five
for another five years since five center. I don't know, man, I
yeah, I think he. Ithink teams would line up for a boatload
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to give for. Yeah, buthe's the guy you'd have to go looking
for as soon as you trained him. Yeah, but they're not gonna be
contending for a while. So it'slike, how do you know what?
Man? We see that they're sucha they're such a cap hell though coming
up, Man, they got whatlike seven and a half, they got
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like what fourteen million dead money?I know, but blake, when you
look at it, like Vancouver isgonna be in capell, Toronto's gonna be
in Capitil. There's gonna be alot of teams in cap Hell, Like
seriously, there is a lot ofteams in cap Hell, Like I don't
know, Like Minnesota, I was. Every time I say they're dead,
they do something and it it almostmakes me mad because they figure out away.
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Man. They just they do figureout away dead cap. So they
had fourteen point seven this year,fourteen point seven next year and then that's
it. And that's one point sixfrom from there. I know it.
So yeah, they honestly just gotto get through one more year of CA.
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I mean, I don't think Ithought it was worse than that.
I thought it was worse than that. Yeah, Arizona buy or sell four
sale signs. I can't believe we'resaying this should off the ice. They
should sell on the ice they mightbuy. There are eight points out of
a wild card spot. Oh arethey? They slipped back that much as
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they're gonna sell the foresail sign forplaying a right they're selling. They're selling
right to Houston. That's where they'regoing. Okay, So I got a
question for you. That's segues rightinto our next section. More more drop
this week on on Arizona situation.Now, they're supposedly putting up a bid
for land. Right, but evenif they win the bid, which they're
saying they will, which who knowsright promises and farts, I mean,
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then you got then they then theyhave they say that, then the city
would have to agree to build,or that the city would have to agree
to zone it for an arena,which there's no guarantee that happens. There's
just so many things here that thisjust has to change. They need to
relocate. They just need to relocate. Is this Quebec City's chance? Is
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Quebec City the only city ready forthem? They definitely got the facility,
That's what I'm saying. They're theonly only facility ready team. Houston has
a facility. Houston has a facility. Who's gonna they do? Houston Rockets,
they have a facility. What areyou talking about? They don't have
one. Who is going to ownthe team because the Houston Rockets owner is
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cooled a way off on that,right. Okay, that's fair. But
I'm just saying, place are youthinking of places? I'm thinking of places
that have facilities. Here's my thought. You have an ownership group ready in
Quebec and waiting. Send them theground forks. I'm serious, Like,
you have an ownership group ready andwaiting in Quebec City. Is the easiest
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move you know? So do youhave to pay a relocation fee? No?
But the league maybe come up withsomething here. I think I honestly,
if they moved to the city,if they moved to Quebec City,
they honestly might just wave it.What what what? No, Well,
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here's there is no really relocation fee. But what I could see happening is
the league buying the coyotes and thenand then and selling them to the Quebec
organization at a at an inflated rate, so that the owners get their the
other owners get their take, sothe owners get the money they lost from
the cost share revenue. That bunchof bullshit. Yes, that's what I
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could see happening. That's what Icould see happening. Yeah, well do
you know, you damn well knowif Arizona leaves, they will come back.
Oh yeah, because Gary Betman lovesthat market. Reason, how long
is Gary Bettman going to be doingthis. He's not the youngest guy till
till he dies. But you don'twant and Gary Betman's done a really good
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job. I don't know why hegets booed. It's it's obviously because the
lockouts and stuff. But he turnedinto money. It's turned into a joke.
I think you know what I mean. Yeah, Mikail Sergachev goes down
after like a period of playing aftercoming back from injury with a bad bad
one looks like he is. Didwe not? I thought we talked about
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this last week. No, whathappened right after we got done recording.
But I just felt so bad forthe guy. I feel so bad for
the guy. Yeah, it's uhyeah, his uh his post to on
Instagram was that was a tough read. That was a tough read. Yeah,
I feel bad. I knew rightaway as both legs broken to like
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you can, your leg is justnot supposed to bend that way. No,
let's talk a little bit about sincewe're talking defense, and let's talk
about defensive scoring. Did you,in any shades of your imagination think you'd
see McKenzie Wiger at the top ofthe scoring list amongst defensemen. That's not
surprising. You don't think he's gota good shot. He's got a good
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shot. He's he does a goodjob at getting point shots through. Credit
to Calgary standing in front screening thegoalies, because that's that's what a lot
of his his goals are. Theythey ain't all the and then rush is
short side on var them of weaksauce like that one was. But uh
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no, he's been really good.He's been a really good player for a
long time. Yeah, it reallydoesn't surprise me at all. No,
I mean I always thought of himas as a quality coally defenseman. I'm
never really known him for putting uppoints and scoring. Does it surprise me
as a top of the lead.Yeah. But another reason why I wanted
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to bring this up is we gotslammed down our throats for was it last
year or yeah it was last year. How wonderful and amazing Eric Carlson was?
Power play merchant? Power play merchant? What's going on now? Oh?
You know what I mean? Justlike it's a cow? How does
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the guy fall off the face ofthe earth? You know that that much?
Yeah? Well, he's also anenvironment where there was absolutely zero pressure
to play hockey. You're right,yep. And he goes to Pittsburgh where
Crosby's on the back legs at thirtyand you got Gino and you got the
tang and Pittsburgh trying to squeak outin one more cop out of that core,
and all of a sudden you're grippingyour stick a little tighter and you're
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playing with a lot more pressure thanyou had on the last place team in
sounds and and that's what you hadsometimes. That's right, all right,
let's fire on over. It's timefor three questions. It's time for three
questions. All right, time forthree questions. As Blake asked me last
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week, it's my turn this weekto fire three of them at him.
And let's start off with another hottopic this week. Do you think Phil
Kessel will be signed by the Canucks. There's been lots of speculations and now
he's in Abbotsford. And do youthink he will even have an impact on
this team? I think it doesn't. I think it It doesn't cost you
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anything to bring him in. Imean, the guy's a winner. He's
played in talking system, he knowswhat it takes to produce in the playoffs.
And if if the guy's in shape, the Canucks would be crazy not
to sign him. Ask your question, well, I had to say,
Blake, you got to put athousand dollars down on Phil Castle being in
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shape. I'm not taking that bet. I'm not taking the bag. But
okay, Bill Bill will like that. There is a costco for hot dogs
right across the street from the Canucksfacility. I'm just telling you right now
like he would. He actually wasbuzzing around today in the drills and abos
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for it. I was, Iwas, I was looking at some drills.
He's buzzing around there that Do Ithink the Canucks will sign him?
I do think they will sign himbecause okay, I love the Canucks roster.
Right So who does he push outof the lineup? I think it's
ridiculous your pro Wall was he takenout of this lineup? Probably Wall?
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Sam laugh, He's been scratched onand off. Neils a man. I
mean, there's a couple of guysthat you could you could upgrade with,
and you would you rather have PauPaus pause, pause, Paus pause.
Would you rather have Phil Kessel withJ. T. Miller and Brock Besser
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or Phil gi Giuseppe? It shouldn'ttake you that long answer that question,
Brad, I'm looking at the depth. Turtle. Hasn't Suitor been playing with
J. T. Miller? Hehas, But I'd rather have Suitor with
Miller and Besser. So who doyou have a center? Because Peterson,
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Miller, Blueger and Lafferty are listedas your centers. Well now, well,
no, then homes in the middle. Now lynd Holme has been in
the middle. Okay, so yougot Peterson, Lindholm, Miller, and
who is your force center? Patterson'son the wing, so right now it's
right now the center is Lindholm,Miller, Blueger and kneels him on.
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Okay, I don't think it doesIt doesn't hurt anything to just kick around
me. Let me ask this question. Okay, let me ask this question
differently. Your top six are Holeklander, Patterson, Lindholm, Besser, Miller,
and Suitor. Which one of thoseguys does he take because he isn't
going to be a bottom six?Probably PS Suitor, PS Suitor, is
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PS Suitor is PS. Suitor isa good player, he's a great player,
but he's he's a great bottom six. I'm saying it's a great bottom
six. I don't think he's gotenough skill to play in the top six.
And if you, I don't givea shit. I don't give a
how often how off Phil Kessel hasbeen the guy knows how to score goals,
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and he knows how to score goalsin big moments. The guy,
the guy had fifteen goals last yearlike this, This guy, why was
he a scratch in the playoffs.I don't know, man, I just
I can't tell you that. ButI'm but I'm telling you there's familiarity with
Talking, and if Talking wants thisguy, the Canucks are gonna sign him.
Yeah. I got the most outof Phil Kestle. He did.
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I we'll see in Arizona. DoI worry a little bit though about screwing
with this roster with a marginal guylike him, Like if you guys went
out and got like a truly thisguy is a borderline Hall of Fame player.
He's been sitting in the cobo drinkingmartiniz for the last six months.
I'm just saying if he if hecomes in and he You want to think,
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if Phil Kestle signs, he's gonnabe a pretty motivated guy to prove
that he can still play. Right, No, have you ever seen Phil
Kestle motivated? Listen? This everused those two words in the same sentence.
Listen, Man, the guys,the guy's still a good player.
You got to agree with me onthat though, right sure that he had
almost forty points last year with VenuBlake. With anything, it's not a
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lot of risk, but there's notwhat do you mean there's not a lot
of risks. There's there's no riskto this zero. It's a free player.
You don't have a lot of Iknow, but you don't have a
lot of cap space. So Ithink they could set somebody down in a
fort fill for seven sixty five.I know. But we'll see, We'll
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see what happens. It's gonna beat least it's going to be entertaining.
Right, question number two, JonathanQuick has been playing better than Eager Stirking,
but obviously has had a couple ofgood games. Now since the All
Star breaks, you just shut outyour Calgary Oh, he's been good,
But prior to that, Jonathan Quickwas obviously the better of the two.
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Right, You didn't say that JonathanQuick has turned the clock back about ten
years. Yes, you can say, yes he has. My question is,
and this is something that's that's puzzlingto me, is that a lot
of the media fans and New Yorkfans are treating this like a bad thing.
When I look at it as heck, yeah, this is why we
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got him right to hold hold thefort when our when our when our leader,
in our our number one is strugglinga bit. It's just skin going
to struggle for a long time.I guess my question is if the playoffs
started tomorrow, who do you start? We'd be crazy not to start quick.
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See what I would do is Iwould start to stirking. But shortly
she's short, right, And youhave nothing to lose by doing that,
right because you have the guy withconfidence ready to come in. Well,
here's the thing about this too,as if you do it and you start
quick, you know, then yourguy that's waiting in the wing doesn't have
confidence right now, that's fair,But what I'm saying is is the last
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two years you go Susterkin's kind ofgot ran into the ground because there's been
no really backup to push him right. And now come playoff time, this
guy's gonna have. This guy's gonnahave fifty games on his plate instead of
sixty sixty five, and now you'regonna be more fresh for the playoffs.
It's the same thing. It's thesame thing. It's the same example.
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When you talk about a guy likeThatcher Dempko who's been injured the last two
years. They finally bringing a guylike Casey to Smith who's capable of playing
thirty games and all of a suddenyou get to the playoffs and Dempko's only
got fifty games, fifty games underhis belt, and he's a little more
arrested. It's right. So,like I think the backup goalie dude is
the most important position on our roster. Like it is it. It's the
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most it's the most important and isthe most overlooked, underrated aspect of a
team. Yep. Because if youdon't have a goaltender that you have faith
in and can trust, you're justgonna have to run your starter into the
ground. Yeah, it's a differentgame, man. Goalies can't play seventy
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five games like broder or La WongoatrickWander back in the day his cat.
Yeah, all right, this mightbe the longest three questions we've ever had
here. Okay, question number three. The Kings handled the Oilers pretty convincingly
and in the entertaining game on Saturdaynight. They followed it up with a
seven to nothing loss to was itBuffalo last night? Yeah, the struggle
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continues. They fired their coach.What's next for the Los Angeles Kings?
Well, do you see who's theirstarter now? Right? David Riddick.
Dave Riddick, and he's been puttingup good numbers. He's six one and
three of the under two goals againsta nine to thirty five save. Did
you see his numbers last night?Yeah? He wasn't good last night for
sure. The goals on five threegames out of the break. They've played
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three games out of the break andCam Talbot had start at any of them.
Is that a little puzzling came inlast night? Yeah? I know
he came in. I'm saying hedidn't he had started. They played three
games out of the break and DavidReddick has started all of them. I'm
gonna tell you something. I watchedDavid Riddick for a lot of years in
Calgary and I always like David Riddick. But if this team is going to
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depend on David Riddick, they're notwell, They're not making that They're not
going to make the playoffs. Ifthat's the case, All right over into
listener question right away. What isyour dream Stanley Cup matchup this season?
What is your dream Stanley Cup matchup? Like? What I want? What
(47:27):
I want to see? What whatStanley Cup final? Do you want?
Give me a oilers and Boston Bruins. That's your, okay, or Canucks
versus Rangers. Mine was Canucks Rangers. I want to watch that. I
want to want Cannock Rangers would beoff the charts, good to watch,
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and we can get some redemption fromnineteen ninety four, four years before I
was wondering, Okay, any ofthat will happen both, okay, buddy,
and we'll pretend for Blake's sake benefits. Well, what will this week
bring in the National Hockey League?Football is done, Baseball's a few weeks
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away until basketball sucks. So Iguess the sports rule can focus on hockey
this week like they can. Allright, hockey fan, so enjoy this
week hockey action. We're back nextweek, recording Monday night Tuesday drop on
the show Hockey Talk every week theDebate Hockey Podcast, Hockey Fans, That
was another great episode of the DebateHockey Podcast with Brad Burrout and Blake Friars.
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