The DJ Sessions – Virtual Sessions with Thomas Datt: 5D Sound, Healing Frequencies, and Reconnecting to Purpose 8/12/25

The DJ Sessions – Virtual Sessions with Thomas Datt: 5D Sound, Healing Frequencies, and Reconnecting to Purpose

In this immersive episode of The DJ Sessions – Virtual Sessions, host Darran Bruce sits down with Sydney-based producer and sound visionary Thomas Datt for a thought-provoking conversation that moves far beyond standard DJ talk. Thomas opens up about his evolution from producing trance hits for labels to channeling intentional “5D sound” designed to heal, awaken, and reconnect listeners to their higher selves. He details the deeply personal process behind his latest album Journey Through the Stars — an activation experience crafted as much for spiritual transformation as for musical enjoyment.

The discussion ventures into the philosophy of music as ritual, how intention changes the energetic impact of sound, and why Thomas avoids the trap of creating products over authentic art. He candidly shares the challenges that pulled him away from music, including industry disillusionment and personal struggles, and how those same hardships fueled a rebirth of creativity and purpose.

From calling out “manufactured nostalgia” in today’s trance scene to outlining the core principles of his upcoming Temple of Sound program, Thomas delivers a refreshingly honest perspective on artistry, ego, and the current state of electronic music. Listeners will walk away with not only a deeper understanding of his work but also insights into reclaiming creative sovereignty in an industry often driven by trends over truth. This is a compelling journey into sound, self, and the spaces where they intersect.

Host: Darran Bruce Guest: Thomas Datt Location: Virtual Studios, Seattle WA & Sydney, Australia

Overview: Darran Bruce welcomes internationally acclaimed trance artist and sound healer Thomas Datt for a profound conversation exploring music as a tool for transformation. From his “5D sound” philosophy to his latest album Journey Through the Stars, Thomas shares how spirituality, intention, and personal evolution shape his work.

Topics Covered:

5D Sound & Conscious Music Creation: Thomas explains his concept of 5D sound as intentional frequency transmission — music designed to shift consciousness and energy, created in a meditative, ritual-like space.

Journey Through the Stars: Insights into the creative process behind his new album, structured as an energetic activation rather than just a collection of tracks.

From Ego to Authenticity: Reflections on stepping away from the industry, overcoming limiting beliefs, and rediscovering passion.

Industry Commentary: A candid take on “manufactured nostalgia” and why much of today’s trance lacks the soul of earlier eras.

Temple of Sound: Introduction to his upcoming program aimed at helping artists reconnect with their true creative essence and avoid industry pitfalls.

Special Notes: Thomas emphasizes controlling your own platform, owning your audience connection, and creating music from the heart rather than chasing trends.

Call to Action: Discover more at thomasdatt.com and explore past episodes at thedjsessions.com.

 

About Thomas Datt -

Thomas Datt – The Cosmic Phenomenon™ 5D Sound Architect • Multidimensional Artist • Starseed Activator

Thomas Datt is a multidimensional creator and 5D Sound Architect whose work bridges sound, spirit, and star systems. Known for his trance legacy and now revered for his galactic transmissions, Thomas creates music that is both a sonic experience and a spiritual activation.

His journey began in 2004 with the breakout single 2v2, a defining moment in the global trance scene that introduced the world to his talent for powerful, emotionally resonant soundscapes. Over the following years, he built a devoted following through an evolving catalogue of melodic, atmospheric productions that carried both technical mastery and a distinct emotional core.

That journey culminated in two deeply personal albums: Picking Up The Pieces and Inside The Glacier. These works were emotional exhalations, raw expressions of a heart in flux. Vulnerable, cinematic, and profoundly human, they marked a creative high point and offered listeners a glimpse into the soul behind the sound.

But behind the scenes, Thomas was navigating a far deeper inner journey. Years of spiritual disconnection, burnout, and silent struggle led to a total breakdown, followed by a complete rebirth. Through plant medicine, energy work, and multidimensional awakenings, he underwent a powerful transformation that would redefine his identity and his art.

Emerging from this metamorphosis, Thomas became The Cosmic Phenomenon™, a vessel for starseed remembrance, frequency healing, and sound alchemy. His 2025 album Journey Through The Stars embodies this evolution. Tuned to 432 Hz and encoded with Solfeggio frequencies (396 Hz, 528 Hz), alph

Episode Transcript

(00:05):
Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of the DJ Sessions Presents the Virtual Sessions.
I'm your host, Darran.
And right now I'm sitting in the virtual studios in Seattle, Washington, and coming in from, where are you coming in from, Thomas?
Where are you located?
Sydney.
You're in Sydney, Australia.
Sydney, Australia, yeah.
Right on, I gotta make it out there soon.
I have some friends of mine that live in Melbourne.

(00:26):
But coming in from Sydney, Australia, we got none other than Thomas Datt in the virtual studios today.
Thomas, how's it going?
Hello, everyone.
Well, I am like half excited and half shitting my pants because I haven't done like an interview in this sort of format before.
So I'm like, ooh, how's it gonna go?
Awesome.
Well, you know, you're making history.

(00:47):
It'll be online forever.
You can share this with your family and friends and social media followers and all that fun stuff.
It's a pleasure to have you on the show and having you do this for the first time.
Thank you so much.
And thanks for the invite.
We've been trying to nail this for like over a month, maybe a month and a half.
Sorry, a year, over a year.
A year and a half.
Yeah, I had a little bit of a personal hiatus that I took off from everything and had to regroup, rebrand, refocus.

(01:13):
And what was supposed to be last year, almost a year ago to this Datte.
It was hard for me as well.
Yeah, we'll talk about that a little bit.
I do wanna talk with you about that.
But yeah, came back and then started things back up and restarted the fires.
And I've definitely seen the results of the fire starting to burn higher and getting more and more busy as things go along.

(01:36):
But we're not here to talk about me.
We're here to talk about you.
Why not?
Oh man, I'm so curious now.
I'm curious to find out.
One of the first things that struck me when I was reading your bio, reading the information about you, Thomas, is this 5D sound architect.
No, I got 3D sound.
I understand spatial sound because I have a virtual reality nightclub.

(01:57):
And from that sense, I wanna know what 5D sound is.
What is 5D sound?
Oh man, you're putting me on the spot.
When I say 5D, I would like you to imagine that it's more than you just, for instance, listening to the music, right?

(02:17):
And it's not maybe the technology you're using for the music.
So, oh cool, you got some cool speakers that do, what did you say, spatial sound or something?
That's amazing.
However, the music still has to be very intentional in what it's doing to you and to your consciousness.
So for me, 5D is just a higher consciousness sort of frequency transmission through the music that comes from your higher self, from your heart in a session that's built to be a ritual as well.

(02:54):
So I don't come in to make music and bring in like my bullshit from the day, my belief systems about life or whatever else, any kind of arguments or any stresses, I don't bring that into the session.
I create a safe space, literally a temple, put some incense on, maybe I'll sage, maybe I'll do all those things.

(03:18):
I'll meditate, right?
I really get in there.
I become clear.
And then I let the frequencies flow.
Now the frequencies that come through, there's intention to them.
And with that intention, it just kind of folds out into this beautiful, as I would say, 5D sphere experience or sacred geometry where it's not just the sound that's here and some stereo, it's more like a feeling.

(03:49):
It's a feeling of your whole energy body is getting fucked with and you don't know what's going on.
Now you can get that with the headphones because it doesn't really matter about the speakers.
It's more about being in that center of speakers or headphones because everything that's, all the frequencies moving, they're moving and they're doing something and they're very specifically tuned into something and they're very specifically activated.

(04:28):
Consciousness changing, something like that.
So we're not just listening to music that my ego, which I had a massive ego through my career.
I had to go through the downward spiral and reawakening and all that lovely growth shit.
If you come into this with ego, the music is not gonna feel amazing.

(04:50):
It's just gonna be there.
You're probably making a product.
You're not making art.
You're not making higher consciousness healing, like a gift to the world.
Like, hey, this is how I feel.
I'm on that fucking, I'm living in that reality where we're already on the new earth and everyone's fucking happy and no one's fucking stressing over war or money or scarcity or just fucking basic survival.

(05:16):
We're already happy and we're doing the stuff with the aliens and we're going into other dimensions and flying through space.
And we're using music as a form of healing and activating and maybe even opening portals.
Like, I don't fucking know, but it's all math at the end of the day.

(05:39):
It's all math at the end of the day.
And math apparently is in the fabric of the universe anyway.
They found some code.
Speaking of math, I just saw something more.
This is probably more towards quantum physics and stuff, but I'm a huge fan of the Justice League.
I don't know if you know the anime cartoon.

(06:00):
And somebody went and did a kind of parody episode using the members of the Justice League with like Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Hawkeye, Hawkgirl.
And it was a really funny parody that they were talking about, Batman's supposed to be this whole smart guy, intellectual kind of thing.

(06:20):
And the debate was like, oh, well, Flash is really more powerful than Superman because Flash can do this.
And Superman's all, I can do this.
And this is really funny parody thing.
But what happens is that Green Lantern starts to come under attack.
You'll see where I'm going with this when it comes to math.
Green Lantern starts getting attacked because they're like, well, what's your ring do?
Well, my ring does this and my ring does this.

(06:42):
Okay, but this is, and then all of a sudden Batman kicks in to like total theory of relativity and space-time and like mass and how it can't possibly be that your ring would be able to do this because just say it's magic, dude.
Just say it's magic.
And Green Lantern didn't want to admit his ring was based, the whole theory of it was based on magic because there was no scientific principle.

(07:05):
And I mean, it was going on for a good five, 10 minutes.
It was just, somebody put this together.
It was so awesome.
So when you said about math and the universe and everything in that sense where I can gather, working together in that kind of harmonious synchronicity, it just reminded me of what I was watching last night.
And it was just, some of the formulas they were using here was like, damn, it can get down the rabbit hole quantum mathematics deep pretty damn quick when you look at it.

(07:34):
So I guess, is that where you're trying to take your listeners on kind of a universal music dimensional journey, I would take it.
Is that your end goal here?
More or less, yes.
So for me, there were times in my music career that I was making music for a label to get more gigs, whatever.

(08:04):
Now I'm making music for me instead of someone else.
So for me, the last few years have been of healing and reawakening and getting that fire in me again.
And throughout those years, I honestly thought I would never make music again.
Like that was it, that's over.
Like, I'm just gonna be whatever the fuck I'm gonna be and have that regret and that nagging thing just sitting in my head for the rest of my life until I die.

(08:32):
Yeah, so that was really hard to deal with.
But throughout that process, I was making music for me, which was like, as I was learning more about my spirituality and energy healing and channeling and all that stuff, more so remembering my soul's purpose and remembering who I am, even though I kind of made myself small to forget all that stuff.

(08:58):
I was making the music to help me elevate my dark night of the soul.
Like a little bit of here, just the ground, a little bit of here to open the heart.
And then like, as I started doing these, they were working.
And I was like, well, if it's working for me, it's probably gonna work for someone else eventually.

(09:25):
And it's not that hard, honestly, to make music from that space because what you're truly doing is just expressing yourself in the moment anyway.
So if I feel like I need to play with my heart space a little bit, I'm gonna put it in there and it's just gonna resonate.

(09:46):
It's gonna become this like 5D sphere of, if you step into that sphere, you're gonna feel your heart open as well.
So it's just, as I'm doing these things, the path becomes a little bit more clear and we could go in a direction of like, sure, I guess I'm here to help humanity remember who the fuck they are.

(10:12):
Like, that's a simple way of putting it.
Like, if you're having a hard time because you're depressed, that's a way of helping you remember who you are.
Like, here, listen to this album.
It's designed for that.
You could take it a step further, like, oh, it's gonna wake up like your spiritual side and then you're gonna be doing psychedelics and talking to aliens.
Like, it does that too.

(10:33):
It really works on like a broad scope of, if you forgot who you are as a human or as a soul, it's just there to help you remember and get back on the fucking path.
And that's what it did to me, because I needed it.
And that, it's awesome when guests don't necessarily know, although you did send me some free notes before the show, some notes, but it's awesome when I always see a guest lead into what I'm about to ask next and they don't know what I'm gonna ask next.

(11:01):
It's always fun when that happens, but this comes from one of your notes, but it sounds like that was mainly like the inspiration behind your new album, Journey Through the Stars.
Tell us a little bit about that album and what that means to you as a whole, because you kind of just described what that whole album is about.
I did, well, I didn't mean to, it just kind of happened.

(11:25):
No, that's the natural flow I love of this show, is that it just, things come out.
And when I, like I said, I was gonna wait to ask you that, but you just did it for me without me having to ask.
I love that.
So, you know, Journey Through the Stars.
When was that released?
When did that come out?
It's been on my website since April, I wanna say 12, something like that.

(11:49):
I haven't put it out on Spotify yet.
Cause Spotify is not a good business model.
I'm not gonna put it on Beatport and all the download stores, cause that's also a bad business model.
And I've learned a lot about business since I stopped making music and flying around and doing all that stuff.
So I'm more interested in the value.

(12:09):
So like, here's an album that I made, right?
I could just put it out on all the things and no one like gives a shit.
Or I could make a strong SEO based landing page that takes you through the journey of what I fucking went through, right?
And then give you a product, like you could just get the MP3 one, that's the cheap one.

(12:30):
Or you could get the fucking value and get a bunch of bonuses, you know, like how they do with video games.
So I figured that's a good business model.
Everyone's fucking happy.
And then eventually I'll put it on Spotify just to attract more people.
Yeah, you know, I've just recently read something today and it's something I've been pitching or telling people about for years, just like we were talking pre-show about owning your own brand, owning your own model, branding yourself.

(13:00):
And you know, I've been knocking on people's door.
I mean, gosh, go to, I use GoDaddy, I've been using them for years, so I always bring them up.
I'm not getting paid or endorsed by them to say this, but you can go to GoDaddy and get a freaking website for $5 a month.
Get a domain name, stop using.
I'm not knocking anyone that does it, but stop using Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo as your email domain name.

(13:23):
Get your, if you want to be professional, I would, well, I guess now people can figure out what my email address is pretty easily now.
Don't spam me.
But no, no, I mean, get your own domain name.
Even if it's a one page, coming soon, at least you can put your socials there, but direct everyone to go to your webpage, webpage.

(13:45):
It's so easy to get a website up.
What do most people really need now is a home about, you know, contact, first main three pages.
Then you might have a music page.
You're gonna be able to put that YouTube page up.
Your SoundCloud, you can embed that easy peasy in there and tell everyone, go to your website.
Go to your, then you got your blog there.
You can make your own blog posts there rather than, and duplicate the blog posts out to your social media to drive people back, but say more of the story.

(14:13):
You only put an excerpt for the story on your social media, but drive everyone back to get the full story.
And this is just round trip.
This is basic one-on-one music promotions.
I remember running into people back in the day, bands 25 years ago, and they'd be like, and granted not everyone knew, websites weren't that easy to necessarily come by.
You know, you probably pay somebody $3,500 to $5,000 to make you one, because they had to be hand coded pretty much.

(14:35):
There weren't no tools, weren't any tools.
I didn't start using WordPress in 2005, but you know, bands were out there and they're like, oh, we don't need a, we don't need a website.
We have a MySpace page.
And then Facebook came out and now you needed a Facebook page.
MySpace went under.
So all that clout you thought you had with MySpace, gone.

(14:55):
And people are putting stuff on Twitch, or they'll put stuff on YouTube, or they'll put stuff out there.
And they don't understand when you're putting stuff into those platforms, when YouTube ends with a video, or you're using YouTube, nine other videos pop up.
Even if you embed that video on your website, people go, oh, nine other things?
Click, they're now off your website in la-la land over here watching videos on YouTube with commercials and everything, and YouTube's getting that revenue.

(15:21):
Rather than just hosting the video on your own website, letting them watch there, and then putting content up, and people are going to sit there and watch, which has people, which tells Google, hey, this is hot content.
It starts SEO ranking you up because people are spending more time on your website.
I just saw an article about podcasting this morning that said those exact words, and I'm like, what, after 20 years, people are starting to finally get this?

(15:46):
Like, I did this from day one, 2005, when I went from broadcast television to, I didn't just say, everyone just watch our shows on broadcast TV.
We only lived there for 30 minutes.
What's all the other stuff we're doing would be on a website, and I wasn't gonna use, Facebook didn't even exist really in 2005 for the masses.
Myspace was there.

(16:08):
YouTube was just coming out, but we could only upload a video for 15 minutes, and we were doing half-hour episodes, so, pfft, screw that.
We were thinking something like Hulu would come out because we saw YouTube back then being what TikTok is now.
Look at me, look at me, look at me doing, and we're like, we're a broadcast show.
Not knocking TikTok and all you TikTok influencers out there.

(16:28):
I don't wanna get fricking spammed by y'all or anything bad, but no, we just saw, we wanted to be, we were a professional broadcast show looking for millions of dollars, and we were looking for an outlet, thinking something like Hulu or Netflix or something would come along and pick us up and we'd get internet distribution that way.
Lo and behold, it became podcasting.
That being said, though, is I couldn't stress more when you said about going to your website and being able to control the user's experience, and you're there, and yeah, if you're upDatting your socials, it's just as easy to upDatte a website as well.

(17:00):
I mean, there's tools out there.
I use one that, Hello Wolfie, it's badass, cost-effective for independent artists.
Go in there, make your post, boom, it submits it everywhere for you.
You can copy and paste that, put that right into your blog and WordPress, click publish, boom, your blog has an upDatte.
Same stuff.
You can actually go into WordPress and get plugins to submit to your blog, and it will submit it to all your socials for you.

(17:22):
You can set these up in advance, have them ready to go, blah, blah, blah, blah, but enough about website production, because I could talk about that for five years and never say the same thing.
I love your passion.
It's really good.
Oh, thank you.
I actually didn't answer the question though, did I?
I kind of got derailed.
We did, we did.
Sorry.
We were talking about, I think I want to come back to is that we were talking about having your own site, being able to control your experience for the end user.

(17:48):
I believe in your notes, you said there's a three gigabyte file that they can download from your site.
I mean, that's pretty big, but it doesn't take that long to download three gigs nowadays.
Not these days, no.
I mean, AOL did just in their dial-up program after 34 years, so I guess they're forcing people to get into the real world or whatever.

(18:12):
I mean, that's really awesome because you can do stuff like that.
You can't do that on social media, and people can go, whoa, this is awesome.
I got this experience that I can do something.
You control that experience as well in the sense of things rather than being locked into a format that may could just kick you off at any moment.

(18:35):
That's right.
Back to music production, though, by the way.
Sorry, we did get a little derailed there.
Like you did more in us, we could.
It happens all the time.
It happens.
How do you come up with the name?
You got the album name, Journey Through the Stars.
How do you come up with a name for your tracks?
Is there a method you do, or do you spend a lot of time thinking about these?

(18:59):
Well, there is a section, the constellation section of those tracks, so like Andromeda and Sirius and stuff like that.
Those were intentionally channeled.
So as I explained with the 5D Sound, how I channel that stuff, I intentionally said to myself and connected to that energy.

(19:27):
So like, I'm gonna work on Andromeda today.
I'm gonna bring Andromeda down today.
And then I made the music.
So that's kind of how the name came first and then the music.
In other instances, maybe just like a feeling of what is this doing for me?
Because I don't really know.

(19:47):
Sorry, I don't have a name for putting binaural beats in this thing and just keeping you here to ground you.
Like, what do you call that?
So I did use some AI help for certain aspects of naming because I'm just explaining, like, this is what it's doing for me.
I'm not quite sure how to put it into a nice song title.
So it's like the ground beneath the feet or something like that.

(20:07):
I think one of them is called that.
I'm like, that is so fucking grounding.
Thank you.
So it's a mix of a lot of different things.
I recently just started, I get the battle about the creative world and using AI and watching that unfold in time, over time of what's happening.

(20:31):
I use AI for a lot of back-end things that I don't mind using it.
I don't see it's necessarily taking away from a job.
It's not stealing.
It's all based on, when I use AI, it's all based on content that I've created or had a hand in.
Like this interview, we'll go through a transcription tool.
I will pull show notes.

(20:52):
I will do that.
And it's a tool to assist me.
If I was saying, go out there and create me all the questions for Thomas that, and then having the AI generator, like we were just talking about, hey, Jen, I think that I'm still gonna look into that though.
And it was doing the interview for me or other methods that interviews are being conducted in, which we won't go down that controversial route.

(21:13):
Oh, we did talk a little bit about it before the show.
I don't think I use an AI for part of the creative process is a bad thing in that sense.
You're not really, you're taking your own creations, you're using it and just saying, I need some time.
I need some motivation.
And just, sometimes there's so much going on.
It's like, hey, and you get to edit it.
You get the final cut.
It's like, this is what AI said and this is what we're putting it out with.

(21:36):
You're like, no, I don't like that.
Let's tweak that a little bit.
Let's tweak that a little bit more.
Let's, hey, thanks for some inspiration there.
I think that's a great way to use the tool of AI.
So yeah, I like the fact that you say you like to channel, you channel Andromeda though.
You channel Sirius.
It's like, I hope I said that right, Sirius.

(21:59):
Yeah.
Yes.
I was thinking of Sirius Black from Harry Potter for some reason popped in my head, I don't know why.
But if you had to pick one of your productions off the album, Journey to the Stars, what would be the one production that really resonates with you the most?
That was the most you said, you're most proud to have put out there and laid out.

(22:22):
Is there one that, I know they're all like your children, you love them all, but if you got to give the redheaded stepped out child some love, which one would it be?
Is there any one that really sets out?
I will give you a slightly cop-out answer and slightly answer you're looking for.
So with this album, it's interesting now we're going back full circle.

(22:45):
So with this album, as I was working on it, they're individual parts.
Okay.
Right?
But what they do together as an activation is the best part of it.
So yes, you could listen to one over and over to like focus on that one specific thing.
Like one of them is for opening the heart and you could just do that over and over and over again because it's your favorite song now, probably because you need that.

(23:10):
You need a little bit more heart opening.
So you're gonna play it over and over again.
For me, it's having them all together in a way that takes me on this journey.
And it's always different.
Sure.
It's meant for like helping you remember who you are and stuff like that.
But it also does a lot more than just that.
It does a lot of different things from a multidimensional perspective.

(23:35):
So picking one is just picking like, it's like picking an emotion or picking an experience that just stays in that little bubble.
For me, the whole thing is the best part of the whole thing.
It's the best thing.
It's my favorite experience that I've done so far because it does so many different things I couldn't even imagine 10 years ago.

(23:57):
But to tell you like one of them specifically, it might be the first one.
I think it's called Galactic Transmission.
Honestly, I can't remember some of the names and what it really is.
It kind of throws you in there.
Like it's very intense and potent for the beginning of the album.

(24:18):
You'd think like, oh, the second song should be the beginning of the album, which starts with like nature sounds and fucking water flowing.
Like, oh, he's gonna ease me.
No, it's like, fuck you, slap to the face.
You're getting activated.
Like that's the first one.
It's just different.
It's binaural beats and activating frequencies.
And it's just stuff like most people haven't actually heard or experienced.

(24:43):
And it's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
And the bass kind of comes up and down.
So not only are you getting that binaural beats bass feeling, but it also comes up and down.
So then you got a wave there.
It's already doing something different you're not used to.
Like what the fuck is, and then you got all these like sound effects that sound like it's a sci-fi, like you're in a sci-fi movie or something.

(25:05):
And things are just moving and activating.
And if you do happen to take plant medicine and you do that before you listen to the album, you're gonna have a very, very powerful experience.
But I would suggest that you put an intention into it.
Don't just take the medicine and then press play.
Have an intention first.
Treat it like a ritual.

(25:26):
Something crazy might happen.
That first one will mess with your head.
Well, talking about experiences and having life experiences, you had something that was kind of life changing, life experiencing that happened with you.
And basically had you step away from music and finding your way back to music.

(25:51):
And can you tell us a little bit about what happened there and the challenges and the healing that took place through that journey?
Yeah.
I'm feeling emotions.
Thank you for that.
No, I knew this was coming.
It's okay.
Prepared for this my whole life or just the last few years.

(26:12):
So it's, there's so many moving pieces to that story.
And I guess like, if you wanna put it simply, it's the hero's journey.
We all kind of go through the hero's journey at one point or another.
Maybe they make it a little bit more bombastic in movies.
But there is a down point in the hero's journey.

(26:34):
Like there always is.
And it feels like that's the end.
Of the hero.
And I was stuck in that place for a really long time.
Various circumstances took me to that place.
Belief systems as well.
The state of the industry, me moving.
Like there's so many different pieces that led me to that state.

(26:58):
But I think one of the most obvious, or maybe not obvious, but one of the more root cause underlined beliefs that was in there was potentially just not feeling like I'm good enough.
And you get that shit from your fucking parents, maybe.
Like you get that programmed into you within the first seven years.

(27:20):
Whether that was in there from the very beginning or not, that is something I also picked up from the music industry.
So a lot of these producers out there these days, you know, they might've done all the courses, the programs, the masterclasses, and YouTube videos and whatever.

(27:41):
And the music is still fucking empty and dead and generic and mediocre as fuck.
I don't know where I'm going with this, but I'll circle back to coming out of darkness.
So I took a beating and felt like a victim, but I made that happen myself.

(28:05):
Not realizing I was doing it to myself with the choices I was making.
I felt one of the biggest also belief system around music and the music industry, that music doesn't make you money.
Now that was deeply ingrained in me, which is why I fucking struggled.
Even though I got to play around the world at festivals, I was only just scraping fucking by.

(28:31):
So that survival fucking belief system was always there, which is probably one of the things I picked up from my parents back in Poland, fucking communist Poland, poor as fuck.
So survival has always been there.
I basically just kind of survived, but I was doing what I loved so I didn't give a fuck.
Anyway, when you move to a country that doesn't really know you that well, far away from the country that gave you all the support, making tickets really fucking expensive, that was part of the reason as well.

(29:07):
I was making even less money on music.
And then getting married to a businesswoman, the return on investment wasn't really there.
So then I had to go like, oh, that's over.
Who the fuck am I now?

(29:27):
So I made myself small.
I believed I wasn't, again, I wasn't good enough to succeed as a musician, or I wasn't good enough.
Back then I also had a music program called Walking the Path.
It was ahead of its time, but I wasn't ready.
So it kind of spectacularly fell apart.

(29:48):
But I also learned about business since then.
So like the new one's gonna be much better.
So I had to do a lot of remembering and rediscovering who the fuck I am, because I stopped believing in myself.
And I stopped believing in life.
And I just kind of gave up on life.
And I did all the fucking shit jobs I could get, thinking this is the only thing I could get because I did 20 years of music.

(30:15):
And I don't actually have any fucking pieces of paper that say I can do something else.
I don't even have a piece of paper that says I can make music the way I do.
Like, what the fuck?
And that's the world I was living in.
And I'm like, oh, I guess I'm gonna go work on construction.
And I did for a good six months in another city.
And I had to drive back for like three hours one way every weekend just to hang out with my wife.

(30:38):
And then on Sundays go like, fuck, I gotta go back to that fucking nightmare.
It was so bad for me from completely not being aligned with my purpose that I created so much.
This is like, it's pure energy, fucking mental and channeled energy.
I was so angry and stressed, I fucked up my stomach.

(31:01):
And then I got a colonoscopy and an endoscopy at the same time for them to say, there's nothing there.
Oh, fuck, what do you mean?
I'm fucked up every single day.
Well, I mean, like I was creating that as well in the body.
So that became part of the thing because I was already channeling energy.

(31:25):
I was doing energy healing as well.
I had that as a little side business as well for a bit.
Many years of going on the spiritual path.
So before I came here, went into the darkness, I was already on the spiritual path.
I think that kind of goes together sometimes or it wakes you into a spiritual path.
So I was doing the things that would become something much greater, but they weren't really clicking just yet.

(31:48):
I just understood that, oh, there's healing frequencies out there, like sulfage frequencies and 432 Hertz and stuff like that.
And I do do some energy healing stuff.
And I did learn how to channel.
I'm not really putting any of this to good use right now, but I feel like shit.
Maybe I could just find some frequencies.
And then like, you know, you can find that shit on YouTube and you could meditate to it and you can listen to it.

(32:13):
But it wasn't until I started doing it my way.
For me, with everything that needs to come through and all the different fucking tweaks and sounds and vibrations and grounding energies that I started to kind of slowly come out of that shit and go like, I think I see the path a little bit clearer, but no, you know what?

(32:36):
I don't wanna take it just yet.
I'm gonna become a cleaner.
So then- What kind of, wait, what kind of cleaner?
You mean like a hit man cleaner?
Oh, that would be a lot more fun.
It'd probably make me a lot more money too, come to think of it.
But I think I would need a lot more training.
I didn't have time for that kind of shit.

(32:57):
No, like, so I don't know if people know this or not.
I didn't like broadcast it too much on my social media.
I found it quite jameful and I hated it.
It's just another version of, I hate this about my life, but it wasn't as bad to like create me stomach issues.
Like I was already on the, I was there already, don't need more issues.

(33:18):
Don't need to create my own internal cancer because I hate my life so much, right?
But this was just the next step of like, we're not, so this was around the time maybe COVID was ending.
So everything was really turning to shit for us.
Alicia lost her, my wife, Alicia, she lost her corporate job, which is good in the end cause it was killing her.

(33:42):
But like the way it lost it was just like, oh, thanks COVID because we have different belief systems.
And then what I was doing at that time was, I think I was working in a crystal shop and I had my, yeah, crystal shop.
It didn't work out that well.
I thought it would be like the best thing ever.
I'm so fucking spiritual, I wanna work in a crystal shop.

(34:03):
No, it was a nightmare in its own fucking way.
And then I had the music program walking the path.
So I was like, oh, I'm doing what I'm supposed to do, but I wasn't generating enough money still.
So everything turned to shit again.
And that's when I'm like, okay, I guess I'll just go be a fucking cleaner cause I got no other paperwork to say I could do something else.

(34:25):
It's the same shit again.
But this time shortly after I got that job, we bought a business from our friends and we started growing it with the intention of like, oh, this is for survival.
Gonna make it through this shit.
So survival came into play again.
But then like, man, maybe that underneath it all was, I'm probably still not good enough for this shit though.

(34:49):
Even cleaning, residential cleaning, in case you were wondering.
So if you go into people's houses and cleaning toilet, which is why I started making these, like toilet heaven, right?
Like this made me feel better about my life.
Making AI art, like channeled AI art, reflecting what's inside, but making it funny and cosmic.

(35:14):
I'm coming out, the cleaning business is still here.
We're transitioning.
We know it's not the way.
Out of all of that experience though, and it's good to hear stories of people coming out of that funk.
I just recently got out of a, almost like an eight and a half month funk that people didn't, I just kind of disappeared.
Last year, this time, I was supposed to be, I was in Berlin, came back, had my 50th birthday.

(35:40):
And just kind of like, oh, I'm gonna just take my birthday month off like I normally do.
I'll get back to things in September, which then became October, which then became holiday season.
Then okay, after the first of the year, then became March.
And then it was like, oh crap, March, something hit something in March.
And I was like, oh, and I'm like, nope, May.

(36:01):
May 1st, first week of May, boom, this is starting to kick back up again.
And I'm glad I found my fire again, you could say.
Just kind of had to deal with like five separate things that were going on that I think for anyone going through, one of my five separate things would have been crushing to them.
And I had five separate things going on that finally just came to terms and went, ooh, and it all magically went, it's your time now.

(36:24):
You got enough time to sit back, sitting around with your thumb up your butt.
And I mean, I was doing stuff on the back end, but I wasn't out forward in any way, shape or form.
People were kind of like, where did Darran go?
What happened with the DJ set?
It's just, whoop, like, I mean.
Not even a buy, just kind of.
Not even a buy, nope, not even a buy, not even a reason, not even a, hey, sorry.

(36:46):
I mean, when we were supposed to have an interview a year ago, I didn't even want to come down and sit in front of my computer.
I didn't come into my office for almost eight and a half months, the studio, this little office studio that I have.
I just, it was, I wouldn't even listen to my favorite internet radio station, Groove Salad.
It was like a mainstay of my life.
If anyone knows me, they're like, what does Darran love to listen to?

(37:09):
Groove Salad.
What does Darran love to listen to?
Groove Salad.
If you don't know that Darran is, you don't know Darran.
It's Groove Salad all the time, unless I'm doing a show, in a set, in my, doing an event, it's Groove Salad.
So, you know, even just VR, I didn't want to go in.
I just was, everything had traumatized and put this bleh on everything I was doing, that just picking up something felt like I was moving through molasses and wasn't making any forward progress.

(37:34):
And it's one thing to be stepped backwards and come forwards, but I was in a molasses, not moving at all, like thick, deep, bleh.
I guess I've never done that on the show before.
Maybe I should go into doing sound effects for people.
But anyways, you know, I get, and then coming back out of it like a phoenix rising out of the ashes, like, shh.

(37:57):
I just feel I'm totally in tune with so much stuff and I'm completing projects that I wanted to do years ago that is never committed to, because my time was focused here, here, here.
And now those are gone.
And it's like, whoa, doors opening, doors opening, doors opening, doors, whoa.
I'm never going back to that crap over there again.

(38:18):
And let's get back over there.
You did it once.
You did it once.
I can see that shit from a mile away now and be like, nope, distraction, hello, attraction.
You know, that's how it kind of goes.
So, you know, out of all that dope, what, was there maybe a good piece of advice that was given to you?
Anything that was there that really sparked you out of it?
Or was this a self-recognizing prophecy that you snapped yourself out of it?

(38:43):
Or was there anyone there?
You mentioned your wife earlier being in business and kind of, you know, having that kind of background and things, but was there anything that was given to you as a piece of advice or something that really clicked, that went, hey dude, paradigm shift, let's go?
A lot of the clicks happen from the mirror effect being with someone, your partner, like the relationship you have is always going to be mirroring your bullshit to you.

(39:07):
Whether you're consciously paying attention or not, it's always going to be there.
A lot of the times we just get triggered by it.
We don't even know fucking why.
And then we just continue living that life.
However, my wife, she's amazing.
And she's a lot more switched on than I am, though I didn't give her the credit for that, right?
So I would always like maybe put it under the rug, whatever her suggestions or concerns might have been about our relationship.

(39:41):
Because when I'm having a shit time, this is just how I've been operating my whole life.
Probably I learned that in my early years and that's something I've been working really hard on reprogramming, because I lost my wife almost a few times, three maybe, when it got really bad.

(40:02):
When I'm feeling shit, I take down everyone and everything with me.
And I'm not actually present anyway for that experience.
I fucking tune out.
So whatever version of Tom that comes in, and let's just say, Alicia likes to call him Snappy Tom, that's just the inner child, the wounded, fucked up inner child that never gets any attention from me, for instance.

(40:28):
I check out, because everything's too hard, I don't want to deal with it.
Snappy Tom comes in, creates fucking more chaos.
And in those instances, Snappy Tom comes in, fucks shit up, says mean things.
And then when it gets to a point where my wife is trying to communicate to me what is happening and I don't quite want to listen or get it or understand it or change it until there's like some massive ultimatum.

(41:04):
I want to say those moments were the ones that really kind of pushed me out of that place, because I'm like, I don't want this.
Why the fuck would I want this?
It's even worse than before, like I'm going backwards and I don't want to be taking everyone with me back into that shithole, because that was for me to get out of, and it's for me to stay out of, because it's my job, not someone else's, partner, friend, whoever, to keep me out of it.

(41:34):
Sure, I've had coaches throughout the years.
I have an amazing coach right now and she's really helped me reprogram my belief systems.
Like she's got this amazing container where she teaches you spiritual stuff, business stuff, but like the most important part, before you even touch that shit, you have to reprogram.

(41:56):
So you have to actually change your daily routine, which for me has been hard, because that's also reprogramming.
Having a different routine to reprogram your brain is reprogramming in itself.
So it was just really hard to get that sorted, but I'm in a place where I know my patterns.

(42:18):
Sometimes I see them coming, sometimes I don't, but one of my patterns is, if I don't take care of my brain and my energy levels, shit's gonna go down in some capacity.
I'm gonna go down into the rabbit hole again.
I'm gonna hate my life, and then the reality that I am experiencing is gonna follow so fucking quickly that I'm gonna be confused as to why does everything suck again?

(42:44):
Oh, probably because I missed two days of meditating at least.
So yeah, I mean, let's just say my wife was the biggest catalyst for my change, in short.
You know, it kind of falls into my next question.
I think I know the answer to this maybe though.
Was it gonna be, who has been the biggest influence when it comes to your career as an artist and why?

(43:11):
Influence, oh, there have been many influences throughout the years, up until the point where I just stopped caring about finding it on the outside, right?
So when we start off, maybe when you're first introduced to trance music or whatever, the art that makes you move and makes you feel alive or happy or whatever it is, you might feel that that person is like a God to you, you know, and then you kind of worship, like celebrities.

(43:43):
So many people worship celebrities like they're gods because they made you feel a certain way about your life.
So from the 90s, like late 90s on, I would be like, oh, I really like this guy.
Oh, I really like this guy.
I really like this guy.
Really, and they're like, oh, I'm in this bubble of these guys are so fucking good.
And I did do that little worship for a time and like they influenced my sound and what I played and what I would consider be good, you know, like you pick up, you create that elitist sort of mentality of like, because they were doing this back in the day, it should always be like that and whatever the bullshit, right?

(44:26):
But eventually, even with all those influences, so like, if you wanna know the name, sure, Paul Van Dyke, Tiesto, Ferry, even Armin for a little bit, but like mostly like the 90s trance was very, very different.
Like that's the kind of stuff like everyone's trying to fucking imitate now.

(44:47):
The nostalgia insanity, look, so I step, I'm gonna go on a little tangent here.
It almost is gonna preface right into my next question, which is beautiful, but keep going.
So I was stepping away from the music scene as it was already, I think the music scene itself was going down into that darkness as well.

(45:10):
It's still playing in that fucking shit.
And I'm just like, you don't have to play in that shit.
You could do it differently, but if you want to, that's on you, you know, you'll figure it out someday.
So as I started stepping back into music, I haven't listened to any fucking promos, no radio shows, you know, like I just fucked off.
I don't know what's going on in the trance world unless it kind of pops up on my feed on Instagram.

(45:35):
And I'm like, okay, no.
So being controversial, I kind of heard some rumors or people talk, you know, I see it on Instagram or Facebook that the trend for fucking music now is nostalgia, the 90s sound.
I'm like, okay.

(45:55):
But where is that coming from?
Is that coming from here, like a clear channel?
Or is that coming from here because you think that that will help your career or your label or your podcast get you maybe some more gigs because you created a song that sounds old.

(46:22):
Now, here's another thought.
That music didn't actually sound good.
The old stuff sounds like shit.
If you're being honest, technology isn't quite there.
They're hard to mix.
You can't mix that shit with new music.
Like you're going backwards because you think the sound was what made music successful back then, what made you fall in love with music back then.

(46:47):
So you're chasing that little nostalgia hit, like, oh, I could imitate that one, but there's no fucking heart or soul into it.
See, the difference is back then, they were putting their heart and soul into it.
So when you listen to those songs, it's not that they sound old and good, it's they feel amazing because some guy loved doing it and wasn't chasing the fucking chart placement, wasn't chasing the next label release, wasn't chasing the next gig.

(47:18):
It's like, I love this.
This is my passion.
I'm gonna put that into the music.
And then when you listen to it, it's gonna embed into your consciousness.
And 20 years later, you're gonna be like, oh, I should do it like that.
But then you're fucking imitating the guy.
You're not being honest to yourself.
You're not being honest to the art.

(47:38):
You're just copying someone.
Now, when you're copying someone, there's a massive disconnect there.
It's manufactured nostalgia.
I love that term.
I don't know, I came up with it some time ago.
Manufactured nostalgia.
Now I'm gonna be a little bit more controversial and name a name.
Now, this was a trigger for me.

(47:58):
And then my trigger turned into a trigger for my social media accounts.
And I haven't responded to most of those people because it was an interesting, it's one of those very divided thing where some people are having a go at me for pointing out the truth.
And some people are like, nope, I feel you.
I'm like, yeah, I know you feel me because it's true.
And the other people don't quite see it.

(48:19):
So here it is.
I haven't been listening to music for a while.
I don't know what the producers are doing.
I see on my Instagram or Facebook, a little post for the new Goriella song.
And I'm like, oh, I love Fairy.
Oh, I love Goriella.
This is gonna be like the tune of the year.

(48:41):
That's what I thought.
And because I already know 5D sound, I know you can't lie to me.
I know when the song was made from the heart or when it was manufactured.
So I listened to that thing on my phone and immediately my body just went like, what the fuck?
What is this?
Like, it sounds old, tick, but old sounds shit to me.

(49:06):
Like, okay, cool.
The melody, it's well produced.
Ha ha, great.
But it doesn't feel like anything.
And then the worst thing of all, the part that made me go manufactured nostalgia was the sample, the moon and the stars.
Now this is from way out West, the gift from the fucking nineties.

(49:32):
Now, when you listen to the gift from the fucking nineties, from way out West, it's a beautiful masterpiece that takes you on a journey and makes you feel things.
The only thing I felt when I listened to the new Goriella song when that fucking sample came on is what the fuck is this?
What is the purpose of this?

(49:53):
Are you trying to trigger those people that have that emotional connection to that way out West song to think that you could get more attention from them?
Or I don't know, I was just so bewildered.
I was like, this is not art.
This is a product.
And this is part of the problem in the music industry.

(50:13):
Everyone's chasing fucking products and everyone's fucking imitating.
And the fucking insanity of trying to go into the past to make something good again.
Well, I think that that really takes me into my next question I was gonna ask you, which you just answered the question.
The follow-up, I got a follow-up for that.
The question is, is there something that's really messed up in the DJ electronic music scene?

(50:38):
I think you just answered that question there.
But how do you think you could go about changing that?
How do you think the industry could change and get back to rather than manufacturing what could be considered now bubblegum pop?
I mean, now a report came out recently that electronic music is overtaking and booked more than rock music is being booked now for these festivals, for these events.

(51:07):
It used to have the bands being booked, bands being booked, bands being booked.
Now it's electronic music acts, DJs, things of that nature.
And so with the advent of the barriers of entry becoming non-existent for music creation, becoming non-existent for becoming a DJ, basically, because when it was a band, you had to have, usually in a typical band, you have four members, singer, guitar, bass, and drummer.

(51:37):
Each of those people had to be somewhat talented or at least learn how to play the instruments.
And the singer had to at least have a voice in some way, shape, or form.
And then the creativity of their lyrics, they had to write the lyrics themselves and then coordinate with the band to make this.
But now you've got these one person shows in electronic music that can be producer slash DJ.

(51:59):
And now you've got the DJs, not knocking anyone that does this, but they're up on stage at these main festivals and they're playing without headsets on.
And how does that trickle down to the audience members that are going, look how easy it is.
That guy doesn't even have to mix and he's playing in front of 130,000 people.
He's up there just dancing around on stage to the music.

(52:20):
And that's, to me, that's, I went to a Lady Gaga show.
There was performance, there was dance, there was her singing, there's theater production, there was stage production on it.
But with a DJ now getting on stage and just dancing around, and are they really even hitting, Eric Pride's I think just got crucified for being caught playing a prerecorded set.

(52:44):
And now I understand the use of prerecorded sets.
They have light shows, they have timing, they have everything that goes on to make that happen.
They don't wanna mess up a whole show at like EDC or Tomorrowland.
But if you talk about the energy and the resonance of the music being played or the energy that's behind that, it's this commercial packaging that everyone's up there going, ah, check it, it reminds me of Daft Punk 5555.

(53:13):
When they stole, do you remember that anime they did, Daft Punk, it was based on the whole, was it Discovery?
Oh gosh, I should know this.
Please, any Daft Punk fans, do not crucify me for getting this wrong.
But they released the album, then they had this really badass anime that follows the album from beginning to end.

(53:33):
It's really, really awesome.
I love it, dude.
It follows the whole anime, follows the whole song.
But basically, well, I don't necessarily wanna ruin it for you, but it basically starts out with One More Time and how basically the story, gosh, I don't wanna ruin it for you.
I feel like we spoiled a little in it for you.
Anyways, I'll talk about it without trying to ruin it for you, but basically manufactured bubblegum pop.

(53:59):
And it's really kick, gosh, that just really brings back that whole saying of what I was just talking about, that now it's like a band, Milli Vanilli got crucified for lip syncing on stage and lost their Grammys back in the day.
Because they weren't playing the lip sync off a Datt player, they were playing it off like a CD and the CD started skipping on stage or something.

(54:23):
Really bad.
And at that time, the media just ate them up.
I mean, it was bad controversy.
And so now you got DJs that are going up there and they're playing these shows, they're doing things.
And if that becomes a norm, how many DJs go, yeah, I did make a bad-ass set.
This is a set I wanna play.
And guess what?
Play.
And I'm up there dancing, having a good time, looking.

(54:44):
Do I have to mix?
No, this is a set I made.
This is a set I'm gonna play.
The audience can choose to dance to it or not.
I don't have to worry.
I'm not reading the crowd anymore.
This is what's gonna go on.
And I see it almost as a destructive force that that gets put in people's minds because then business owners or people can say, why do I need to pay for a DJ if basically I can just get a jukebox to do the same damn thing?

(55:09):
Or I can make an AI jukebox to do the same damn thing.
I mean, Spotify has DJ.
It doesn't work like a true DJ.
Apple just announced their DJ platform that is gonna go in.
And it will come where the songs are gonna, they'll look at the key of the song.
They'll look at the BPM.
They'll look at all that.
And it'll be able to go, boom.

(55:29):
Look at these mix points and pump out a mix.
And our DJs now phasing themselves out because it's starting at the top.
It's not like this AI thing starting from the bottom and rising to the top.
It makes it look so easy.
There's no work going into it and anyone can do it.
So where's the love?
I mean, are they buying into a bubblegum here today?

(55:50):
Spit it out, chew it out, spit it out tomorrow.
And this can be duplicated and going on.
Like you said, you're talking about the fair, was it Ferry?
Ferry Korstein, I think you were talking about the song.
It's like, this doesn't sound like what the hell is going on here?
Who really produced that song?
Is it his name slapped on the song?
Was it, yeah, was it- I heard that too.

(56:12):
I heard that too.
I ended up on Reddit.
I was like, oh man, everyone's complaining on Reddit.
This is, I'm not the only one.
So the people on Reddit- And our artists trying to follow the Spotify model of the band that had a million listeners or whatever.
It was a completely AI generated band.
People were trying to research the members, research the people and they're like, we can't find anything on anyone in this entire band anywhere.

(56:35):
And finally Spotify came out and said, yes, this is a 100% AI generated band.
And look how many people bought into it.
And there's artists struggling, busting their ass out there, trying to do shit.
I know how to wrap this up.
You know?
And so is that something really messed up in the DJ set?
And how would you go about changing that?
You know, as my question, coming back to the question is, how do you go about changing that when you have the multi-billion dollar industry shoving the bubblegum in our face saying, listen to this.

(57:03):
How do you, how does the culture change shit?
You know, that's my question.
Man, you probably need to fuck off and do some drugs, psychedelic drugs.
Me?
As in, no, no, just in general.
You know, like for the individuals that haven't quite hit rock bottom or that hero's journey, you might need a kick in that direction from psychedelic plant medicine with someone that can guide you through it.

(57:29):
So I think it's just really disconnecting from that shit.
It's a whole, it's like the corporate rat race.
That's what the music industry is now.
You need to fucking completely disconnect that shit.
Like you fucked off for eight months.
I fucked off for some years.
And you find yourself.
And in that space, you go, that doesn't actually work.

(57:50):
I can see how this doesn't work.
This is a temporary thing.
It's not gonna last.
It's already bursting.
For instance, like when someone, I've seen these people that have the pre-made playlists or whatever, and they're big.
It all just looks like ego to me.
And ego is completely disconnected from the heart.
So this is probably why people are standing there with their phones, because they don't feel anything.

(58:14):
To them, it's just a show like, oh, here's the celebrity I think I worship.
Let me hang out in the same space as him.
And it's like, oh, this music's okay.
I probably should have stayed fucking home and listened to something better.
In any case, what I'm trying to say is to change that the musician has to be willing to look within and be honest with themselves and go like, am I actually doing this because I love doing this?

(58:43):
Or am I actually doing this because I have to do this?
Or I think I have to do this because this is my life and this is what people expect of me and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Who are you in that space?
I recently saw a video, I'm just gonna say from Protoculture.
Now, I'm not trying to say, talk shit about Protoculture, just like I wasn't trying to talk shit about Ferry, just the state of what I see and hear.

(59:05):
Protoculture's video was promoting his new track.
Now, when he was talking about this new track, there was nothing there.
So again, I feel, I don't just listen and see, I feel the energy flat.
He was just using keywords.
I don't think he was really excited about the song, to be honest.
It's probably not his best.
You could tell, it's just, I made this thing and I combined this thing with this thing and I think people are gonna, because I'm just like, oh, that's so sad.

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Because when I make music, I'm like, oh my God, so then I put this thing in there and we're gonna fuck with you.
That frequency, you're gonna come out a new different person.
That's what you're trying to put in the music.
Not like, oh, I think I'm chasing the next chart topper or something.
So that's part of the problem.
And the individuals, the producers have to be honest with themselves and go back inside and heal all the bullshit that's in the way of them connecting back to themselves, to their heart, to go like, why did you actually start this in the first place?

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Why did you want to make music?
Was it because some asshole up there was shaking his fist in the air, playing dead on arrival music that didn't make you feel anything and you felt like, my ego wants to be up there to get the bitches or whatever.
Is that the real reason you started making music to get the bitches?
Honestly, it's a nice side effect for that little ego phase.

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You wanna get with the fangirls.
Sure, I did that, everyone's done that, but eventually you outgrow it and you're like, I just gotta do something more.
I could use fans that are girls, but I don't get with the fangirls.
I'm not that famous.
In any case, it's just the phase, I think, of humanity and the hero's journey to go through the ego.

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Now, part of the solution, I'm not here to be your personal Jesus, people.
I'm not saying that.
I'm not gonna do the Armin pose and go like, without me, there's no trance.
I'm like, actually, there's better trance than you support.
Oh, man, that's controversial.
Do you think I'm gonna get canceled?
Fuck that, I canceled myself.

(01:01:15):
I canceled myself with my own powers.
I don't give a shit if someone cancels me out there because I'm gonna fucking rise again like the phoenix like I am right now.
So, saying I'm not your personal savior, I am here to teach people how to reconnect to themselves.
That's where we're leading into, the temple of sound.

(01:01:35):
I'm launching the temple of sound.
It's like 20 plus years of not just music experience, but life experience, going into the darkness experience, learning about human design, learning how to use your voice, how to do that return on investment business stuff, you know, but most importantly, how to reprogram all the fucking bullshit because how many of you aren't out there, you musicians, you producers that don't quite get it?

(01:02:09):
Like, again, let's go back to that part where I said like, oh, you did all the fucking courses.
There's a fucking producer you sort of kind of like
that's teaching for whatever and whatever,
you're learning his stuff and you did the masterclasses
and then your music still fucking sucks
even then you put like so much time and money and effort
and you don't know or understand why it fucking sucks,

(01:02:32):
but you're gonna keep pushing through
because maybe someday some DJ or label will notice
that your shitty song is not shitty,
but just mediocre enough to be put on this fucking mediocre
label that is also completely disconnected from emotion.
So if you're doing that, the temple of sound is perfect for you because it's gonna fucking reprogram all that bullshit, disconnect you from the fucking corporate rat race music industry, bring you back to your heart, bring you back to yourself, bring you back to channel.

(01:03:07):
I'm gonna teach how to channel too.
So you treat the music process like a fucking ritual because it is and it's been done that way through thousands of fucking years, but somehow right now it's been weaponized into fucking bubblegum, bullshit and money and ego.
So if you're trapped in that shit, you gotta come to my fucking temple and we're gonna fix that shit up and then I'm gonna leave you to do whatever the fuck you wanna do with your new powerful energy of sovereignty.

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Oh my God, I know myself, therefore I know how to create music again.
Look, that was so exciting and slap my microphone.
There you go.
I know that we're gonna be talking again in the future.
We have a lot more that could go into a whole nother episode like you said in your show that might not all fit in an hour and we're wrapping up, getting close to that break.

(01:04:00):
I know you got stuff to do, I got stuff to do, but you know, what a wonderful interview.
I've got lots of insight.
I really appreciate you taking the time.
Thank you so much.
Chat with us today, drop us your knowledge, hear a little bit about your story.
We're definitely gonna have you back on the show in the future.
Is there anything else you wanna let our DJ Sessions fans know about though before we let you go?
Anything you wanna touch on?

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Don't be scared of AI.
It's literally a reflection of you and your consciousness.
So again, like with anything else, music and the music industry, depending where you are in life and you connect to the AI, that's what you're gonna get back.
So if you're scared of life, the AI is gonna fucking scare you.

(01:04:44):
You know, I recently, it was about a year ago, a little more than a year ago, I sat down and was giving an example to my best, one of my good friends, best friends and my mom, showing him how cool AI was by just going and typing in, write me a biography about Darran Bruce, the executive producer of the DJ Sessions and make it 1,205 words.

(01:05:08):
Boom.
Was it good?
99.9999999% accurate.
So with the fact, except, and I don't know how it got this, but it said, oh, and he's also looking at starting a record label.
That has never been announced anywhere that I know of.
I mean, maybe talk about it in an interview.

(01:05:29):
I hadn't started transcribing my interviews yet.
So there's no talk about it on text anywhere out there that I was looking to start a new label.
I mean, nowhere.
And it pulled that out.
The only one little bit of information that wasn't true.
Everything else, 100% spot on.
You know, I was like, whoa, this is cool.

(01:05:50):
So I hope you use it as an internal writing tool.
I think it's very helpful for certain things.
And I could obviously go more complex with it if I want to, but I like it.
You know, I think it does, I think it's supposed to like learn your voice, learn what you're looking for, and you can program its voice.
I have some prompts over here, like under utility control, pretend to be my coach.

(01:06:15):
You know, or act as a business coach or act as a tutor.
I have mine when I'm, it says act as a reporter, an interviewer.
Man, you could take it a step further too.
Yeah, I know, I know.
I'm just, I'm slowly taking classes to understand it.
Cause I know, you know, just like I was reading something the other day about somebody posted about vinyl DJs hating on the new technology.

(01:06:39):
And that 99% of those people that are hating on, oh, it went to digital.
Oh, the sync button.
Oh, you know, I'm a vinyl purist.
But does the audience really care out there anymore if it's vinyl or not?
They don't, they don't, they don't.
I'll say it right now.
They just want to feel something.
They don't, they want to go out, they want to get out of the house, they want to disassociate, they want to be out there.

(01:07:01):
They don't care if it's on vinyl, they don't care.
It's cool, but you know, okay, you want to be that vinyl purist and you want to lug around your shit and put in your rider, then I have to have technique 1200s and I got to be this, and I got to be that, and you want to travel all around.
Nope, and you got to pay that expense.
When I got somebody with a rider who can go, oh, I'm sorry, I'm bringing two flash drives with me and I got 500,000 songs on each of these.

(01:07:21):
Have a nice day.
Plop.
Oh, and then I can also put a prerecorded set in.
Yeah, I can do that too.
Plop.
You know, it just, you know, they phased themselves out because they didn't adapt with technology and I don't want to be the news outlet, media, electronic music, all know a website and not know a damn thing about AI.
Because I also have to have my own checks and balances to know what I'm getting and I generated shit.

(01:07:46):
You know what I mean?
Like we were talking pre-show before, you know, I didn't just send you a list of questions and these are pre-panned responses.
You have no idea, except for what you sent me as notes, what we may or may not talk about in a show.
That's the best.
Well, I love it.
I love that organic approach.
But I know we're going to have you on the show again.
I appreciate it.
Thomas, thanks for holding out and coming on, you know, and responding back to me.

(01:08:10):
When I sent out the invite again, like I said, we're going to stay- I came back to life at the same time as you did, man.
Yeah, yeah.
It was meant to be.
I think it's a call.
It's a universal sign.
It's awesome.
And I'm going to make it down to Australia, to Sydney one of these days.
We'll hang out.
Because I have some friends of mine that live in Melbourne, planning a trip to that half of the world to go to Bali and Bangkok as well.
So going to put some more stamps in my passport.

(01:08:32):
That's my goal for the future, for the next five years.
I want stamps in the passport.
See the world, man.
Yeah, see the world.
Awesome.
Well, Thomas, where can people find out more information about you, your projects, your music program, the album, and more?
Where's the best place to go for all that?
On my website, thomasDatt.com.
Right there, thomasDatt.com.

(01:08:54):
Check it out, thomasDatt.com.
Absolutely.
Pleasure having you on the show.
Like I said, we'll have you back on again in the future.
Thank you for being here tonight.
Thanks so much, man.
Tonight for you, this afternoon for me.
Oh wait, is it morning?
Is it morning over there?
It's actually morning.
I woke up in the dark.
I sat here in the dark and the sun came out.
Nice.
Well, I'll let you get going here, and thank you again for coming on the show.

(01:09:14):
Thanks, man.
You're welcome.
On that note, don't forget to go to our website, thedjsessions.com.
Grab your phone, boom, snap that QR code.
People thought I was insane for talking about QR codes revolutionizing the world in 2010, and now they're everywhere.
It only took a panty to make it happen.
But that aside from the note, all the cool stuff is at our website, thedjsessions.com.

(01:09:36):
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(01:09:57):
Check it out.
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I'm your host, Darran.
Coming to you from the virtual studios in Seattle, Washington, with Thomas Datt coming in all the way from Sydney, Australia for the DJ Sessions.
And remember, on the DJ Sessions, the music never stops.