Toquon Tha MC | The Dr. Greenthumb Show

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Speaker 2 (01:24):
What a do? Baby Boo?

Speaker 4 (01:26):
To my right, mister goodlight dj C minus in the buildings,
hell yeah, and just off the fucking grill, the legendary
psychle Leezy and the.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Building fresh, fresh out the shadow.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Fresh out the shower, fresh out grill, fresh off the hook.
We got the Sideline crew running the Starship right now,
bolt In Blombo and Bra Bra Dom is on location
doing some biz for the squad.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
But how y'all doing over there on the Sideline?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yo?

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Yo, we're good? What up cycle? That's coming in? Hot?
What's good?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's that's that's hotter than Bobo right there. That's right.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
We got back in the house. My man to MC yes,
my g it's been a minute. It's my man. Been
in the building. You know, it's good to have you
up been here back, Oh.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
Man, it's beautiful back to you know, to be back home.
That's you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (02:22):
This is definitely the spot, you know what I'm saying.
We first moved over here from the oh yeah, from
the other Yeah yeah, haunted man. So yeah, thank you
for having me back in brother word brother.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
We also got mister Milligram's E Zone in the house.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
So everybody, good to be here. Nice to meet you, bro.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
You know, we were talking about that that the first
Low be Real TV location the other day. I can't
remember who we were talking about it with, but it
was actually yesterday we were talking with about the energy
that was in that building. There was there was good
energy that we were creating and era because we're we

(03:01):
all try to be good people. But then there was
the other energy in there. It was crazy. I mean,
the energy in here is moderate right right, Like we
we have we have a we have a spirit in
here that every now and then when it feels anxious
or you know, wants to let us know. It's around

(03:24):
the spirit. The energy whatever it is, will do things
for us to see, right, But they're all light, right,
It's nothing that anybody ever gets like, oh my God,
we got to get the fuck out of here, you
know what I mean, not like that, it's it's a
very friendly energy, playful if you will, right, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah, he let he lets himself be known.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
And like you said, like you know, one of the
things he kind of like he never he does when
the vibe is right, he's not as present.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, it's not an ominous energy. Right.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
But in the other building, which brings me to the point,
is the building on Flower that had some crazy, ass ominous,
badass energy.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Right.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
I was telling these guys how how I went. You know,
there was a couple of times where my partner, Kinji
and that we were in the spot after everybody had left,
and we were talking about, you know, up upgrades to
certain equipment and pieces like this and that, right, And
as we're sitting there, like because he was trying to
build the studio back there. It never got built, but

(04:26):
like we were talking about it one day and on
the console that was kind of there in the back,
there was a cup, right, but like a glass cup
sitting there and we're sitting there talking and out of
fucking nowhere, literally out of nowhere, this cup just starts
doing this and we both see it and we're like

(04:48):
it's time, it's time to lock up.

Speaker 8 (04:52):
Nobody bumped the table, and no vibration at the base
and nothing.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
We weren't even standing by the table.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
We were standing like two three two three feet in
front of it, and there was no earthquake, There was
nothing to shake the building. The cup just started doing
this right. So then you know, maybe a month later,
we're in a different room. I don't know if you
remember the room, but like there was a split in
the room where there was the control room and then
the actual table.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Remember that.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, So on the glass side where Eric Zane and
those guys used to be ros Dude and whoever else
I think it was Shiky or something like that, on
that side of the room. We went in there to
talk about like equipment that should be swapped out, or
should we knock this wall down, and all this other shit.
And on the fucking board, like the operation board right

(05:38):
next to it there, eric Zane left the fucking a
glass full of water in there, and the fucking glass
of water starts doing the same, the same fucking dance.
None of us bumped the table. Yeah, we didn't bump
the table. We didn't like barely walked in the room
and we start talking and then that happens.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
They were like, oh shit.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
So we realized then, right that this is the second
time that's happened. There's something in here, but it's not
necessarily bothering anybody, right then, What what put us onto
what exactly was in the building was.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Photographer Mike Miller. He shot our ourt.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
He shot a lot of classic hip hop albums. He's
like a renowned photographer for you know, album covers and
shit like that. Look him up. He was here, well,
not here, he was at the flower spot. He came
to see us down there, and uh, he wanted to
do a specific intro for us, right, but he wanted

(06:41):
to shoot it a certain way, so like he wanted
one of us to be blowing smoke this way while
he was underneath it filming it. Right, So we saw
the effect and we're like, fuck, that's kind of cool.
We should try that again. And so Kenji tried this
this same technique where he like, remember, he gets the
he gets his camera and he puts it under the
smoke while the smoke is blowing, and he, you know,

(07:04):
he takes the photo of it, and there's like fifteen
demonic faces within the smoke. Oh yep, right, So then
he does it again, but without doing the effect. We
just blow the smoke of the air and he takes
a picture of the smoke like boom, another set of

(07:26):
twenty demonic fucking faces in the smoke. He still has
the picture. If you look at the photo, ye you
will like it makes you feel something because you fucking
clearly see the faces in the smoke. And when we
had a chance to get out of that building, we
got the fuck out. We found this one. We were
like out, dude. I remember that. I remember that.

Speaker 7 (07:47):
I remember I was there was that because there was
the front part of the city on in the back
there was kind of that long room where they had
the couch and a TV and then like that's where
we used to go do the dabs with the hot
with the hot nail. And I remember one time I
was sitting there and I saw someone walk by going
towards the front of the studio and I was like, oh,

(08:08):
I thought it was like someone that worked there. So
I go to follow and there's no one, like, there's
no one there, no one there, And I was like,
all right, did you ever pick up any vibes in.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
There that I haven't.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
I didn't pick up anything, honestly, not even a piece
of equipment. But you know what I wanted to ask was,
do you know what was there before?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Before you get that studio? Before?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Who was there? I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
I mean, I mean, I know those buildings have been
there for a number of years, but and I know
that some of them were like garment warehouses and shit
like that. But you know, I didn't really know too
much of the history of them, right right, because this
could have been someone passed away in that building in
the fifties or sixties or seven.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, because that's what usually happens.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
When when when when there's a entity or energy that
has not left the building, like Elvis, you know what
I'm saying. Even Elvis left the building, but sure energy
does not, and it has to be unlocked for that
particular you know, spirit energy, whatever you want to call it.

(09:17):
And until someone unlocks it, they're attached to this ship
right here because this is maybe a spot that they
loved and they don't want to fucking leave it.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
Well, you know, chemistry is the thing you know when
it comes to chemistry is very important based on a
certain energy come in and mix with other energy. Sometimes
it's beautiful. Yeah, sometimes it just don't go right, you know.
But these are things that we taught you know what
I'm saying, going way back to African ancestry, you know
what I'm saying, certain spirits and entities and things of that. Now,

(09:46):
obviously we were taught here in the Western world to
look at a lot of these things as bad things, right,
and it.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Could be bad if you use your powers.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
For bad it's bad for their money, indeed.

Speaker 8 (09:55):
Indeed, indeed, absolutely.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
But at the same time, you know, sometimes things is
just wicked and it don't match.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yes, some energy don't connect, it don't match.

Speaker 8 (10:08):
Whatever it is. You had to get the hell about it.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
You had to get up, you know.

Speaker 7 (10:12):
And and when we came here, you know, little things
started happening. And then we had this one person that
worked here that kind of always had a bad vibe.
And whenever he got really excited about some some bs.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Like whether it was gossip or talking ship on someone
or any of that, like.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
Things started flying off the wall, like literally, like plaques
were coming off the wall onto this like right near
this person's feet, like and remember what we were in
the the when it was the dab room, and then
like lighters were coming from one side of the room
and just flying.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
So yeah, it's different in there now. I mean, as
you see, it's it's like a green room. But before
we had a dab bar there, right, and there was
shelves right next to the bar, right, and there was
a bunch of shit on the shelf, like lighters, rolling papers,
grinders and fucking four twenty spring and ship like this. Right,

(11:09):
we're standing there, well this you know, homeboys, just you know,
running off at the mouth talking ship and all of
a sudden, this lighter comes off the shelf ARCD to
where he's standing by the bar, about a regular sized
lighter like this, Yeah, this lighter. Now you know gravity, right,
if you don't believe, let's don't believe in it. But

(11:29):
let's just say this is this is the lighter here, right,
this lighter. If it's teetering, it's gonna do this right,
This fucking thing launched. Yeah a fact, no one bumped
the wall. There was not an earthquake. No, I don't
got magic powers to where I could do that, and
it fucking lights over there.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
I wish I did, I'd scare more motherfuckers, but I
wasn't smoking some good ship man.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
No, no, no, this this this is a real deal.
This is real light.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Okay, so the lighter launches at him and it spins, spins.
So then the next time he comes in, that same
person which the lighter launched at, right, launched that right,
So let's just say this lesson is over here. The
lighter does.

Speaker 7 (12:20):
Yeah, but like like one swoop just towards that person,
towards that person that was just the demonstration.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
But yeah, it's so that person with his badass energy
can't back in here about a week later talking shit again.
And he had a necklace and it's redundant for these
guys because they fucking hear this story.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
A couple of times.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
But he had his his his He had a five
thousand dollars glass piece on his neck, right, a well
known glass blower gifted him like a five rack piece, right,
and he's got it on a nice little gold chain,
a thin one, you know, nice little sturdy, thin one. Right,
and he's got it locked in and he's been He

(13:04):
was in the building for about an hour, chilling, going
through the motions, and then he starts talking shit again,
and out of nowhere his chain that had been locked
solid through the hour that he was here, the clasp
snapped on a gold chain with no no tug, no pull,

(13:25):
no none of that.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
It just snaps right off his neck.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Glass piece bangs, shatters the one piece that's left. That's
like at least a you know, a significant enough amount
of glass.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
It's spinning right there.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, and that was real. That was not no weed.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
I've had no weed to get me that high where
I'm having illusions or hallucinations.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
But yo, good good thing that you didn't have no knives.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Or dark yeah, right right, because I would have stuck
him in his fucking rib.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I mean, you know, hey, listen, I.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Mean they get trying to get your attention, many trying
to tell you something. I feel like you've always got
to pay attention. And I didn't even talk to them.
I used to talk to to my spirit had I
used to live in the Haunted.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah you were. I remember you said that the way best.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
House that I bought back in Jersey haunted, And it
was because the lady died that that bought that I
bought it from she died.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
In that house and no one said her free.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, so she was that's all her life there, I
mean yeah, used to fuck with me. She fucked with
that thought everybody but trying to tell her something. So
you know, you would talk to her like yo, what
the fuck you want? I'll be pissed off, like yo
the fuck you know?

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Like yeah, because it's up point, you stopped being afraid
of it, and they started getting more frustrated and we knew.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Like I was like, I'm fucking moving because of this.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Think about that, right like that?

Speaker 7 (14:54):
You you moved because you wouldn't allow you didn't move
because you wouldn't allow it to move.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
You, right, And you just learn to ignore it. Yeah,
you learn to live with it and ignore it, right,
so you don't have like a fear of it like
other people do. Because there's other motherfuckers that like are
a deep fear of some ship like that, right and
there they don't got the money to move out the
fucking house.

Speaker 9 (15:16):
Yeah, you know that shit always happens to white people man,
Like everything everybody, like every classic story that that, like,
you know, because at some point somebody has a breaking
put the like fuck it, I'll go into debt. But nah, bro,
the worst, the worst kind of thugging it out happens
to white folks. Dog historically that has happened the Amityville.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Yeah like like bro like seriously, bro, Like we get
all the movies from that's portal the hell Apparently it's not.
But even that in itself is a part of programming. Well,
you're growing up with that type of stuff again, like
I was saying, we have taught to think that that's
negative until you know it. Like less you learn to
address it, right, you know what I'm saying. You start
hearing certain noises and all that and.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
To accept it as except it okay, because it's not
all bad energy, that's the thing. But you got to
be able to differentiate what is that? What it is
that dark shit? And what is the light?

Speaker 2 (16:07):
So how do you find out?

Speaker 4 (16:09):
I think it's the way that you find out, right,
Like it's it's I feel like dark energy is going
to be aggressive in letting you know and trying to
get you either out or pulling your ass in, you
know what I mean, And the light energy is more
like it's just let you know it's there, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (16:29):
I think ghosts be picking on people with no like
adversity in their life.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Bro.

Speaker 9 (16:33):
Like you know, I think like like ghost be looking
at you like they're gonna pick on like a black
and brown person. They're gonna be like it's already hard
out there, friend, No, you know what I mean, Like
you got just trying to kidnap you. People be racist
and then look at a white person. They're like, look
at you, chilling like the motherfucker on Tuesday.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
The ghost is like, let me.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
It's kind of hard to figure out who they would
fuck with and who they wouldn't because I would think
that if it's an unsettled spirit, it's fucking with everybody
and anybody.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Absolutely, you know.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
And one thing growing up, you know, my mom always
believed in spirits and taught me like, like you know,
if you're ever in the presence of something you know,
or something is in your space, you know, to say
you are not welcome here, leave if it's bothering, if
it's bothering you, if you you know, but if or
just be like hey, are like times when I do
feel stuff, you know, because the building I live in
is like been around since the twenties, so I'm sure

(17:24):
you know what's crazy. Some shit has happened in that building.
And I just tell like, if I feel something, I say,
I'm cool.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
If you're cool. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Like, you know what's crazy is that we're all receptors
and magnets to that shit. And some of us have
it turned on, and some of us have it turned off,
and some are right in the middle.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Right.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
But like a lot of times, you know, you might
not see a spirit or see something move or hear anything,
but you might feel it yep, you know, like an
ancestor or a close friend that might have passed, family
member whatever, you know what I mean, Like, because I
know that I have that every now and then, like

(18:02):
I'll feel my mother's presence or Jay's presence, or you
know what, any any whoever comes to mind at that moment,
I know they're fucking present. They may not be moving
ship around or or or giving me an indication that
they're thereby something physically moving or anything like that. I

(18:23):
just sensed them, you know what I mean, And I
talked to them, just like like you said, let's I'll
have a conversation or just be like, hey, I know
you're there.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I love you watch my.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Back there, you go right there, because that's what they do,
watch your back and guide you.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
It's funny you say that, because I think about the
concept that you know, KRS one said it when it
came to you know, us losing tough ye that nature.
You know, growing up, you don't hear people speak of
the concept like that as though they do, because it's
always a spooky thing, you know, the way he said,
And you know, I'm just surmising on the way exactly
the way he said.

Speaker 8 (18:59):
You know what Chris talk.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
You know, he's basically saying, a lot of times you
have to rejoice because now you have somebody on the
other side to actually look out for you, you know
what I mean, to make sure you're good, that can
speak on your behalf, you know what I'm saying, with
higher powers or whatever it is that you believe in,
you know. And so I'm like, wow, that's a good
way to look at it, because you know, we for
the most part, we always so destroyed when we lose somebody. Yeah,

(19:22):
you know a lot of times it's like, hey, in
some cases they may have transitioned so that you can
be all right here and deal with the wickedness or
whatever it is that you may be dealing with, whether
it comes to your your marriage or whatever we could
be going through with our children, you know what I mean.
Lord knows it's always a struggle with you know, trying
to get paper and like, so it's just whatever that is.

(19:42):
It's like, I have somebody look over you, you know
what I mean. So I thought there was a pretty
pretty pretty dope concept of the way of looking at it.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, my man, kr res One is deep.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
I mean, look the freestyle he busted that that that
there at the that we did the panel. Hey, yeah,
no one knew that was gonna happen, right, We all
thought it was just gonna be King T.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
I didn't know he was gonna perform.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
And he you know, he had a full he had
a full room, and people was vibing, and the teacher
got on the out there and tot yeah and and
Kick TV and Kick T were at the corner and
kick he was like, damn, I gotta go on after that, man,
I don't want to go on.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
And I kept.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
Your kick tea man gonna rip that.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
But Yo, I'm over here people in the whole thing.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
I'm like looking like I'm gonna watch the King and
uh and be they looking at each other like like, yo,
you really want to go on after this?

Speaker 2 (20:41):
And you know, looking like come on man.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
And I'm thinking to myself like cause no one knew
that Chris was going to perform. Yeah nobody. It wasn't perform.
He just got up there just with that energy, you
know he is. He just falling energy and yo, he
go and tell uh my man, lou Man, salute lou Man,
Like Yo, get some beats ready, you know what I'm saying.
We got the sound check. He just jumps up there
and do what he do and he rocking, and then

(21:05):
he didn't tell his son Prime just throw him on.
I'll just follow whatever you got. And he just hitting
it with a hit after hit, yassive energy. And I'm
looking at out the corner of my eye and be
looking at King T like you know, we want to
go after he said, man, And he's like, man, maybe
you should have went on first.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
King T said, man, I should have went on yesterday.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
But I was gonna say, it's kind of dope that
you guys went after because it's like, all right, kll
rest one tears it down people. Now, people like that ship.
They're ready to go home, but no, here comes King
T and it's like, oh ship, that's like a little dessert.
That's like a boom.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Hey listen.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
And that's what happened because you know, Kick T was
nervous about having to go on after Blastmaster, right, and
I was like, no, you got this, you come on,
and uh he went out there and sure enough the
crowd received in me as ripping it.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
Yeah, it were happy to receive what he brought, you know,
because for one, he know that, yo, you represent us. Yeah,
you see what I'm saying, So we we know who
care Russ Won is is justice hip hop as K
definitely definitely a superpower man salute to my man King T. Also, yeah,
a salute for you know, even giving that drop because

(22:27):
he you know, he's a major you know, Lucien's fan
as well.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
Like one night we performed, we did the Carson Jazz Festival, Yeah,
and his wife was up there and she was really into,
you know what I'm saying, the performance and what we
were doing, but he was there chilling. I didn't even
realize to his wife was like, I'm like, was it
Taylor right there? And you know it's a whole thing.
He's like, bro, I love me.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Man.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Man, you know, he's one of the most humble dudes
in this game. Like, you know, like it seems like
what people give him flowers, he's kind of like, you
don't know how to feel about it. And it's like, man,
you know, like I feel like sometimes he don't realize
how important he was too aut It came up after

(23:09):
him because like I always revered him, man, you know,
like King T was was one of my favorites because
he had a he had a distinctive voice, his flow
patterns were dope.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
He was dropping bars. He was talking about some reality ship.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
But it wasn't necessarily gangster glorifying gang banging ship. It
was like, you know, a dude coming up absolutely and
and and conscious of what the fuck is happening in
front of him.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
And it was hip hop.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yeah, it was hip hop really And I remember because
I actually got that album or the or the single
bass before I even got the n.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
W A and A posse, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
He was he was first the white label, right, it
was label H Yeah, And so I was like, yeah,
I used to boy, I used to be like that
was my ship right there.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yes, look, you know I think what it is, you know,
like because because I mean Tela is a little bit
older than we are, you know what I'm saying. But
we all grew up in that same school looking up
to KRS one, right, even though he wasn't that much
older than us, it just seemed because the way he
carried himself, you know what I mean, and we all

(24:19):
looked at him like, oh man, this is the guy.
And uh, you know, I still geek out when I
when I hang out with him and when I do
ship with him, because I mean, it's it's a dude
that I learned indirectly from a lot of my get
down is watching KRS one flipping a stage, being able
to adapt and shift, not complaining about the sound, and

(24:43):
creating some other ship that has nothing to do with
the music, and showing up, showing up and giving people
something rather.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
You know, it's so crazy, man.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
It seems like sometimes he's not comfortable unless he has
the feedback on this stage. He was turn that up,
turn it, turn that up, and I mean the speakers
of squeaking and all that, so he feel like he
needs that environment.

Speaker 8 (25:10):
But too that I noticed, b.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
And you know, you are such a humble dude yourself, man,
being the legend that you are that we all celebrate
in hip hop. I notice how you give love and
appreciate the presence of people like KRS one because you know,
like you said, you recognize that you learn from you
know a lot of them, you know, and to see that, man,
that part that made you so eye level and grounded, man,

(25:39):
br I always appreciate that about you, you know, like
you having that like you know who you are, but
the fact that you are a fan of hip hop
going at these dudes.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Man, Yes, I mean I think everybody, with the exception
of my son here.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Could say that.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
You know, we felt like hip hop was ours and
we wanted to know everything about it. We wanted to
know everybody who did it, from the the dope motherfuckers
to the whack motherfuckers dope so that we could listen
to huhorn.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, we were there just after it was born. Yeah
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
But it was still young enough, and we were all
young enough to say, well, this is ours right, like
because some of our older siblings had their shit, our
parents definitely had theirs.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Our grandparents had theirs and none of that is ours.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
It is because we adopt some of it as time
goes on. But this genre was fucking ours. We were
living and we were in it, you know, all aspects
of it. So you know, I think we have an
appreciation for each other like that because you know, you
see who the pioneers were and give thanks to them
because if if if we don't have them, we don't

(26:51):
have none of the Gold School era, you know what
I mean. So it's it's it's like you have to
like give love and be student of the ones that
came before you.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
That That was always my thought process.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
You got, you got, you gotta remember. Also, hip hop
is like it's like a culture. It is it was
it was a lifestyle. It wasn't a lifestyle a wrapped
on the mind.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Was it just music.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
The way you dressed, the way we talked, the way everything,
the way we community, the way we dance, the way
we DJ and play music. It was it was a
whole move lesson let me because you you.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
You know, being in New York, brother, you know what
I'm saying, Like, at what point did you get into it?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
When did it capture you? When you was a shorty
like what what eighty three, eighty two, eighty How old
are you? Like thirteen in eighty three.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Eighty uh not? Probably like what ton? How old are
you right now? Fifty five? Okay, so in eighty three
you were eighty three? I was like thirteen. Yeah, yeah,
that's up.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
You saw him. But from the next yeah level, I
mean that's how old I was.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
I mean, like because k and eighty what eighty five
four or something like that? Right when did KD spring up?
Eighty four?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Ready?

Speaker 4 (28:06):
I think it was eighty four because because run DMC
ship was playing on on KD in eighty four, and
it was the dumb Diddy dumb Diddy Diddy dumb dumb ship,
the big beat.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
But that's why run DMC. That's why run DMC was
so big, because when we seen run DMC on TV,
we seen ourselves. It was like, yo, we rocket DDAs,
we rock, hoodies and hats and chains. That's the streets.
That's so that's like I said, it was a lifestyle
before it even jumped on the screen.

Speaker 7 (28:38):
Yeah, because because before that you had like people trying
to dress like superhero.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
I was just gonna say that you read my mind.
You know that was like that was like great minds,
b great minds.

Speaker 7 (28:49):
Uh, you know, but it was cool because you know,
we're you know, because the generation before they also had
the Funkadelics, you know in Parliament, you know, and just
like you know, and like that also so bigger than
life presentation, earthwind Fire and you know, like so when
that generation of hip hop, like you know, the Grand
Master Flash and you know, Meley Mount, the Furies five

(29:09):
and you know, and and Africa Bambada and Planet Patrol
and Nucleus and all these like electro hop like that
were so much like looking larger than life. Run DMC
was the antithesis of it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Well, yes, well what they said, what what Grand Master
Cast has said in many interviews, is that their generation,
which is the first generation I would say in hip hop,
we're trying to look like rock stars and emulate Rick
James and emulate Funkadelic and Cameo and that, right, And
that was a lot, right, it was a lot to

(29:45):
look at, but that this is what they were trying
to do, project themselves as stars. And here comes run
DMC with We're stripping all that superstar ship away and
we're dressing like we were doing doing it like we
do on the block.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Yeah, so is it?

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Do you think it's a lot?

Speaker 6 (30:00):
Because that was the way of Trojan Horse and their
way into the you know, the the music scene. Being
though that they didn't really respect rap as an artful
was that their way of you know, sneaking in there
like that, like yo, except us.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
I think they were trying to get in whatever way
they could for sure, you know what I mean, because
there wasn't that many opportunities that people didn't believe in
the rap ship yet it was still new infancy ship
and hadn't made any money yet, but yet it had
such an impact that motherfuckers was trying to get it off.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Like like you think about it, I see you with
your with your track jacket, Like who started the track
jackets and all that? The Breakers, the Breakers, that's where
that's where the rappers got. I was, Yo, we're gonna
start rocking the data and be like yes, in hip
hop culture that is act, you know what I'm saying.
The Breakers was the first.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Ones they had the fucking full suit win Breakers that
those ships were.

Speaker 8 (30:59):
Though, Bang the half zip pull much.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
All the hood that come out whom wasn't Nike had
the best ones.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah yeah yo, y'all remember the Windbreaker that you that
you It was half with the pocket and it would
turn into.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
The Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I was the next level from back then. Amazing.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
But you know what I mean, I rocked my dadism
and be honest with you, man, to this day, I
was like, I can't even front man salute to the
late great man jem Master, Jay Man hell gud Man.
You know, it's just on that because the guy that
used to manage me back in nineteen eighty eight was
friends with you know, Griff and some of those dudes.
So I was able to go out and around the
Runs House tour. So you get to see that woo man,

(31:43):
So you know again that's you know, I tell people,
you know what I'm saying, I've never been to college
in my life. I didn't go to Morehouse univers I've
been the Runs House University.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
That's a good university.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
Yeah, to see what it's supposed to be when you
touched that stage, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Would you say running them or second generation hip hop.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
Yes, they was right there on that border because obviously
after Cast and you know Slash and Bam Boda and
all these others like that. Yeah, they they were the
dudes that cause you know.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
They were the first generation. Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
So you you would hear a DMC all the time
talk about how a lot of the influence from those
early guys if you listen to it's like that and
all of that was because of Planet Rock. Yes, and
he said, man, we were doing nothing but taken from that,
you know what I'm saying. But again, it's just like
all the greats off Michael Jackson or whoever, or Cyprus.

(32:34):
It's like, we're gonna take from the greats, but you
make it, you know how to make it your own, right,
you know what I'm saying. Like Michael Jackson became who
he was, all the moves that he was praised for,
but nobody know because if you don't come from that generation, Damn,
that's Jackie Wilson's move.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
That's James Brown.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
You know what I'm saying, Like us that you know,
like that's into James Brown, like you no, Like, oh,
it's James Brown, you know, but one day I said
and watched the video with James Brown, was like, my god,
this is crazy. But you know, as they say, you know,
the old said, it's nothing new under the sun, you know,
because again watching the documentary about doctor j I'm like, damn,
this is like he was Jordan's before Jordan, same ship,

(33:09):
you know what I'm saying. You know, so it's taken
from the people that you admire and you know, remember
hearing you talk about you know how much Public Enemy
meant to you, what y'all did, and how it influences
to the world. Yeah, and making it your own. That's
the magic right there. Yeah, So the same thing for me,
Like you see me on stage and I'm rocking the

(33:30):
crowds and you know all that, even when were rocking
the clubs.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
It's like, you know, what is that?

Speaker 6 (33:34):
Well, you know, it's a little take this from Run
to Run DMC, a little bit from KRS, a little
bit from you know, Kine. You know these dudes like
this and just balled up into you know, my own thing.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
It's it's it's observing what you what you've learned, and
figuring out.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Still that like we all did did what you just said,
like take take, take to develop our own style. So
once we once you have that your own style, all
you do is get better at that style. Now now
you're not you know, you just better at the be
real style, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, ever.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Well you should be.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
You know, like I mean, if evolving as an MC, right,
you're always trying to keep your sword sharp. And I
feel like, you know, and Mugs gave me this and
I've said it a one hundred times, you know, like
if you want to be the best or be considered
amongst the best, you got to be fucking with the best.

(34:33):
And like you know, getting with these different you know,
collaborations and like you know, putting up the bars and
trying to make them quality as much as possible, not
not oversaturate because people do that, and then all of
a sudden you know that it's just too much and
no one pays attention to that.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
You got to let shit breathe.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
But I'm saying, you know, like you get with different
mcs and you learn different things from them, they learn
shit from you, and it's an exchange of energy, exchange
of ideas, and I feel like you come out better before,
because when you get with certain MC's and do collaborations,
it takes you to a different level depending on who

(35:14):
you're with.

Speaker 6 (35:15):
You know, hearing I remember Caine Micdaddy Kine talking about
how there's a lineage of how a style start and
then from that style be got this rapper that be
got that. You know, I got to a point where
I was able to see like, oh okay, I see, okay,

(35:35):
Public Enemy was probably, you know what I'm saying, the
mark for n w A to be who they are.
And of course everybody loved you know, Chuck right, so
and I'm looking at Okay, well, Q learn a lot
from watching them, watching Chuck, so he may have gave
birth to Q. Q gave birth to let's say, Scarface.

(35:57):
Scarface gave birth to Tupac and then and then and
so on and yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
So that's amazing, man, just watching that. But yeah, you're right, man,
you have to really be a student and to really
love the craft of what this is to become you know,
you know, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Very important, greatest of yourself, you know. Indeed, Man, I
remember there was a song by Funky four plus one
one that in the back. At the end of the record,
on one of the ad libs, one of the guys
go stick on ha ha ha ha.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Oh that and that's where the fat boys got.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
But do you know next thing, you know, fat boys
stick them ha ha ha. You know what I'm saying.
So they have to hear that and be like young.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
And they made that ship iconic because everybody knows that,
like from our generation.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
At the end, they do the same ship.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
And it goes ha ha and uh kurok Ski said
that that was like a like a Brooklyn thing where
they I mean, like you know, the stick up boys.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
You know what I'm saying. It came from that.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
So I'm like, yeah, that's that's history in itself right there,
just to be able to do. But that's crazy because
I didn't That's beautiful that you said that, because I'm
sure I didn't even know that.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah, listen to like, yeah, I didn't even catch that.
That's crazy, man, the little nuggets that happened from time
to time, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
But like you said, you started catching and hearing things.
So now I'm doing the same thing, like hearing things.
Oh that's what they got. It that's where he got
that idea to say that.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
And that's crazy because it happens to the young folks
all the time.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
They'll be listening to some ship and then the original
ship that that was made from something that they listen
to now that's newer, Oh ship, what's that future?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
And they're like, is that where they got it from?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Right?

Speaker 1 (37:50):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
We all stay learning there is that we're never going
to know it all about nothing?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Right right? Well? That's you know.

Speaker 6 (37:57):
I love being around a bunch of the DJ man.
I learned so much these dudes, especially the ones that
nerd out that know who produced what, who played the
cow bell on this record?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
And all that where crazy man.

Speaker 6 (38:10):
Like, and so you know, I man, I appreciate y'all, man,
because there's a lot of stuff that I probably wouldn't
pay attention to it for one for y'all.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
You know.

Speaker 7 (38:16):
And that's one of the funnest things for me to do.
And one of the things I love doing the most
is like, you know, to keep the old gears grinding,
you know, like uh, just nerding out, like just talking music,
you know, and just like you just going like all right,
hey man, remember it.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Wasn't this produced a seven or was it seventy?

Speaker 7 (38:32):
You know, like and just like talking with Jay or
even Icy, you know for sure like and chalk and
you know, truly and be and less like it's always
awesome to like, hey man, remember this, like like I
love talking old you know, native tongues, and like, you know,
like you know, first Albus first two albums and EP,
you know what I mean, Like I love that, you know,
hearing stories from b about the first any of the albums,

(38:52):
you know what I mean, like just putting it into
context and going, oh shit, you know, like it's amazing, man,
it's an amazing It's good.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
To to hear stories and chop it up, especially about
the culture you you you love.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
Yeah, dude, guaranteed more than once a week I come
and you know, I go home with a story in
my head or learning a fact from either one of
these guys and being like damn, like mind blowing, like
but also like oh shit, okay, like and then it starts.
I start making these connections that I'd never made before
and going, oh, that's more of the complete story.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
Ah, you just start like I love that shit.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
That's one of the beautiful things about platforms like this
because you know, you got the next generation that can
learn from you.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Right, You're gonna bring.

Speaker 6 (39:36):
Your knowledge from the East and say what's going on
out here for those that don't know, you know what
I mean. Be's gonna take his knowledge other places to
where they may not understand and know because you know,
learning from people like Be Real and my Man to
Kill from J five and X one of those dudes,
I learned a lot about West Coast culture, La, what
is it?

Speaker 8 (39:55):
You know how hip hop was born out here? You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
So it's a beautiful You might have some dude in
Germany France done now he's learning about both both sides
because of that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, Well that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
You know, people that are let's just say not not
to they don't have the same amount of years we
do in this particular culture and they're new to it.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, they want to find out about it.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
They want to like research, they want to do the
diligence and like figure out all they can fucking learn
from it. And someone new to it got a whole
lot of learned to do, you know what I'm saying.
And that's the beauty of it because you do have
folks from all parts of the world trying to learn
about it and try to do it. I mean when

(40:39):
you think about it twenty years ago, thirty years ago,
when we were going to Europe for the first time,
thirty years ago, I mean, they didn't have too many
of their own stars in these regions. They had folks,
but they relied on American artists to go out there
and headline these hip hop and rap shows. Now every

(41:02):
region got their own own people that they don't need
us to come down there, but do we still do?
They still love us that and that's the appreciate, the
deep appreciation that European hip hop fans have, or hip
hop in general, Like they got their own fucking stars
and own rappers out there that are dope as fucked,

(41:23):
but they still want to see us, and that is
like true appreciation and love.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
You know what I'm saying, We out here got it
fucked up.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Unfortunately, you know what I'm saying, We motherfuckers over here
be forgetting about their own and they don't give a
fuck about anything else either.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
It goes back to that saying, you're never a hero
in your own, you know, hometown. You gotta sometimes leave.
I mean they portrayed that in the in the movie
Cadillac Records when what's his name, uh Dan, when they
was supposedly been old and washed out.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
You know what I'm saying. Uh.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
The character that said and the tain to play was
the main producers of that era, and he told him like, yo,
I just got back from Europe and.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
It's a whole other deal over there. See.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
So it's been happening since way back then to artists
here in America where your own folks will forget about you. Indeed, well,
let me say this, not not your core fans. They
never forget about right, They're always there for you. It's
the industry that allows you to be forgotten because they
don't know what to do with you when you hit

(42:30):
a certain age, indeed, and that is the problem. Whereas
Europe they don't have that agism shit out there at all,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
And uh, but then again, do we really have it
because just going back to a lot of the festivals
that we've done just throughout the years, you know where
we had rage against the machine ciphers, you know, most
death quality roots, all these you know, everybody you know
what I'm saying. I'm walking around the audience, I'm walking
around the crowd, and I'm actually saying fifteen year old

(42:58):
dudes walk around there.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Well, see it's a little bit different, right, So for
in that aspect now, there's no ageism. But these are
all people that you mentioned that have built up and
built the following throughout the course of years. They're not
like in their fifties now trying to just getting it off,
you know what I mean. There are fans there that

(43:20):
are young fans to fuck with with with the gold
school music and even older shit, right, But that's through
years of building the brand and building your music and
the catalog and all that shit.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Right.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
So like, if I'm fifty now and I'm a new artist,
ain't no label fucking with me unless I have some undeniab, undeniable,
exceptional shit that they just cannot say no to. Unless
it's that or close to it, They're not fucking with

(43:56):
me because one, they don't know how to take this
music made by the fifty year old guy and sell
it to the sixteen and up crowd, right, because they
haven't figured out how to sell music to people in
their thirties and forties and fifties in hip hop, but
it's most specifically in hip hop.

Speaker 6 (44:14):
I have to be honest with you, be I think
a lot of that is a lot of industry political bullshit.
It is because at the end of the day, first
and foremost, it's art. Yeah, and because they have the
power or the so called powers that be, they have
the ability to be able to say, you know what,
I want to take this beat nuts, this new album
and make it here.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
You already have the ears of the people.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
Yeah, y'all have all of this money, the channel's radio
and this is that.

Speaker 8 (44:40):
And the third it's about what you want.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
To promote among people. Now get to a point where
at the end of the day, Yeah, you know you
want to say, well, why would I want to mess
with be Real? Because be Real he has way more
knowledge than he had, you know what I'm saying thirty
years ago, and he's not going to let a lot
of bullshit pass less. It's not gonna let this happened
in this deal that they did back then. So it's like, oh, well,

(45:03):
why do I want to deal with this? Let me
deal with a kid that's more impressionable.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
That obviously, you know, especially most of us that come
from nothing, you know what I'm saying, we could take
advantage of them.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
So again, it's all about manipulation. They want some kid
that could turn around, bend them over and find that
all day long, all day long, and it comes you know,
at the end of the day.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
It's about manipulation, the same way they did to even
control and get control over this country itself. It's the
same mindset. Yeah, it is, you know, And that.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Is a fact, you know, and you and you mix
that with the fact that like again they don't know
where to sell the music after you're a certain age,
like you know, because again the psychology and how do
you relate to like a team, like what story can
you tell a team that it's gonna you know, like
that it is not looking at any of us like

(45:52):
their fathers and grandfathers. So there's a there's that that
bridge that the record company can't figure were out there, right,
But by now we're a fifty year old, right or
forty year old hip hop fifty right, fifty years of
hip hop by now, a lot of us are in

(46:15):
our fifties and some of us seventies. That comprise of
the hip hop consumer right along with a lot of
younger people now that listened to the different branches and
sub genres of it, like the trap and stuff like this.
Right there is an audience that exists for rappers that

(46:37):
are in their fifties that motherfuckers will buy those records.
They're out there now. They didn't exist twenty years ago
because we were all the youngsters, right, but now we're
the elder statesmen, and there's folks above us that are older,
that are you know, higher up than we are on
that ladder, right, But now they're is a consumer group

(47:01):
that exists that would buy shit from Psycho Lass or
myself or KRS or anybody that that are at our
fifties in this fucking career right now.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
If it's good, if you've got the goods, there is
a market for it.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
And now especially it's just that the industry so fucked
up that it is, doesn't recognize it and feel like
it's worth going after.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Like like for groups like us from I'll say, from
like thirty five to fifty, that's that's our crowd right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, forties,
I got all the forties always coming up to me.
Y'all true that I was in school or whatever, you
know whatever. So that's that crowd that's always going to
be the cipres.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Those are the little brothers and sisters.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Yeah, yeah, think about it, because hey, look to speak
to his point.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
You know, there was a question.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
I kept asking every crowd that we did on the
last tours we did the last what we did with
the atmosphere, And I'd ask, you know, how many twenty
year olds in the you know, in the crowd, and
you would hear maybe a ten percent, you know if.
And then we got to thirty year olds a little
bit more. We got the forty year olds the biggest

(48:20):
fucking roar. And the fifty year olds were out there too,
just as much, but that is always good. Yeah, they
was out there, but the forty year olds was out
in like numbers. So and those would be potentially our
younger brothers and sisters. Right, So I get that forty
year old action, you know what I mean? And everybody

(48:41):
else that's music that passes down to them from someone.

Speaker 6 (48:46):
With the beauty man you know, YouTube being legends like
this man. Y'all get to see now two three different
generations coming to your shows and appreciating what y'all did,
because there are some fathers and mothers that's teaching them
about the beat jump of the beat nuts and knowing like, yo,
this is it just maybe just because the whole thing is.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
It goes back to.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
Now always say, man, it's appreciative of parents that plays
the music when the kids are around, you know, on
the on the floor, playing with their toys while you're
cleaning up the house. Because it's the same way with
us with Motown. How do we fall in love with
those records?

Speaker 8 (49:23):
With Motown? We wasn't even born, you see. So the
whole thing is.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
And now they're sitting around, they listening to Ciples Hill,
they can listen to public anymoy because of their father,
their mother and are driving you know, like I see
his sister on the social media that you know, does
the old school dancing with her daughters.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
The ones like twenty and the other one's seventeen, and
they're all doing the old school dances off chub Rock.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
You know, that's how it's supposed to be.

Speaker 6 (49:45):
So again, I feel good when I come to a
concert and see that there's three, three different generations there.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Hip hop Yeah.

Speaker 8 (49:52):
Now like they are at the rock Consound should.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Be Yeah, and we're seeing it more because I know,
like as you're out there doing towards seeing that shit.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, I mean people come with the with the kids,
like I said, and these kids know your words and
know your song and they've actually seen the videos and
all that, so they're like, yeah, they little fans and shit.

Speaker 6 (50:11):
I'm like, oh shit, the first time I experienced that. Man,
This little sixteen year old girl came up with her
mother and was like, oh, I really really love Loose
Ends and you know, just let me fuck with it
just to see you know what I'm saying, Because I'm like,
you're a kid, what do you know about Loose End?

Speaker 8 (50:25):
Yeah, you talked about nineteen eighty three? Like you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
She like, uh, well, no, I do. I love them.
So I said, what's your favorite song?

Speaker 6 (50:33):
I'm thinking you get ready to say one of the
singles because it's easy, you know what I'm saying. And
she went and named one of the albums, but it
started singing the words.

Speaker 8 (50:40):
I'm like, why there, It is amazing, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
But you know again, see those are the parents that
we appreciate because they're educating their kids with classic music.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
That's right now.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
I mean I was one of those those parents that
my kids was in the back end and we rocking
Big Daddy Cane, Yeah, the car, I'm rocking all that,
you know, loose ends, whoever, you know, all that it's
good music. Guess what it's going in their head that
ship is and eventually they start singing it and back
dancing and ship.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (51:11):
I used to my sons, you know, just being around
as I was coming up, you know, djaying and like
it was my son was listening to everything from like
you know, food Fighters to tripe called Quest the Snoop Dog,
you know, and like he was like listening anything that
I liked, and I was like listening to like I
knew that he wouldn't trip on.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
The lyrics, but he all like he loved like just
hip hop.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Y'all are making me feel bad. I didn't play equal anything.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
No man.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Used to leave them, used to leave them at the
babysit all the time.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
I mean, do you do you remember any like records
or something that was played back then that you can
relate to that that registered back.

Speaker 9 (51:51):
To you know what I'm saying some of the stuff
he has to talk about, but not like so much
and maybe not with so much appreciation that you guys
had it, because it impacted differently.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
You never nerded out like on like an artist or
like like been like like kind of like a super
fanastic about.

Speaker 9 (52:06):
Before KD like it plays like all the old school dams,
oh k la Okay, So that's what that's where I
would get like.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
Or whatever that or whatever like was on that station.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Do Walk fifties when I got.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
My first car and ship like that.

Speaker 9 (52:21):
I remember I was listening to like, I'm like that,
that's what I would be like, all right, that's like
older and stuff like that, and then there would be
like the beat and stuff like that and just then.
But I don't think that was like necessarily going back
because it was just like whatever was popping at the time.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
So what that was like ninety six in the beat days? Right,
So how old were you like sixteen seventeen? Oh it
was what eighty nine?

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Oh shit? So yeah and yeah he was like.

Speaker 7 (52:49):
Yeah, holy shit, yeah, yeah, you know hip hop broke.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
You know, he's learned things here, he's learned yeah.

Speaker 9 (52:57):
No, I'm not saying it, but I'm saying like from
like the impact point of me saying like, oh damn it,
I kind of it doesn't resonate the same way. It's
like it's kind of hard for me to kind of
be into that when I'm six years old and like
my parents were Spanish, you.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know you're at that point.
I mean, and we've all been a part of that.
We're growing up to our parents' music until we find
our own music. Like we talked about earlier, which was
for us hip hop by by by his age, where
you're coming into your own music. There's so many different

(53:31):
fucking versions of what hip hop is at this point
that you could have a choice of which one you
get down with or not.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
Because he never knew a world without hip hop, right,
we did, we did.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
I was born. I wasn't actually born into hip hop
because you know, like my parents at their parties was
rocking a lot of SASA music and all that Michael Jackson,
Donna Summer, all that good stuff, you know, Juli and
glass yas whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
You know, they were playing the mixed playlist.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
So I was that soul that funk music too. I
was like, oh shit, yes, funky. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (54:09):
I listened to a lot of Spanish music and like, yeah,
like a lot of even from the beginning, like Spanish
rocks and all that stuff. And then I went before
I even got into hip hop. I like when it
had it was like two choices in radio stations. It
was like Power six or K rock, and the KI
rock in the nineties was just kind.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Of hard to not listen to, you know.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
I just I vibed to that.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
They played a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, yeah, like I vibed to that.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
For years, I didn't really buy, like I didn't really have.

Speaker 9 (54:35):
Like hip hop and rotation into maybe until I was
like fifteen sixteen, and I was like, all right, let
me put this in. Before that, for the most part,
I was listening to like mostly like everything that was
being like played on K rock in the nineties. That
was what I would That's what I was into, all right.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
I just you know, let me ask you this, and
and I hope you don't answer wrong. Do you like Nickelback? Great,
that's the right answer. Good job, dad, Good job, Yes,
I did that right at least, Sorry Bolton you.

Speaker 10 (55:05):
I'll just send Ian Butler after he zone, then he'll
like nickelback, nickel Bag, nickel bab.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
I'll take a nickel bag all day, nickel That.

Speaker 10 (55:17):
Was funny though. Even Ian was like, man, you guys
don't like Creed what.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
You were the only one that was with him on
that though.

Speaker 10 (55:25):
Yeah, yeah exactly. I was like, this guy knows what's up.
This guy knows good.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
They're two different things.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
They are very much too, yes, but they both get
you pumped.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
They do get you pumped. They don't get me pumped. Look,
I'm a fan of Pearl Jam right right, Eddie Vedder Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
To me, dude was too much sound, you know.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
I guess I got the same thing as as some
of us ship, some of the ship that happens in
hip hop music, right, like Gorilla Black.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
He sounded like a biggie too much.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Unfortunately, people didn't accept him because of that. And he
was dope and he was dope. I liked him. I
loved it. I yes, I know, but there was a
contingency of people right that are like the ones with
influence and whatnot. No, he sounds too much like Big
right and to me, yeah, maybe his vocal tone, but

(56:21):
his style was not like Big he was his own ship.
But you know what I'm saying is sometimes that that
gets in the way of a run, you know, and
you can't do nothing. Your voice is your fucking voice,
you know what I mean. I'm a fan too, but
I'm saying we're we're fans. But there was other motherfuckers

(56:42):
that was trying to dog him because he sounded too
much like Big. They were hating on always and it's
really your voice is your voice.

Speaker 6 (56:51):
But on the other hand, Shine gets away with it
because he was validated by.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
The dude used to get it too. In New York,
everybody was he was getting it. They was trying to listen.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
On the West Coast was trying to put him over
on uh you know to us, and a lot of
us weren't accepting of that.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
But on East Coast even worse because it's like.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, I mean it's they gave him I think the
past because he was coming through the Diddy and he
have Foxy Brown on the record.

Speaker 6 (57:22):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He got, He got the
ultimate validation. So you know, I don't know he won
with the single was crazy? What was with Barrington Levy?

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah, that was a good song.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
Be real, Creed really don't get you pumped up.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
No, but even well no, no, he's he sounds too
much like Eddie Vetter to me.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
But just like, just like Sean says, that's my voice,
and I imagine Gorilla that's his voice to you.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Hey, this being said, though, you know, Creed did sell
BOLTI your fucking units and shipped on their records, So
it's not that they were bad. It's just not it's
not my cup of teeth. I cannot work out to it.
I cannot.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
With it.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
It feels like a Nighties montage.

Speaker 9 (58:10):
If you're just working out to some Creed, you're just like, hell, yeah,
I'm skipping through my here.

Speaker 7 (58:16):
But it sounds like I mean, Creed definitely sounds like
two thousands like and yes, you know what I mean. Like,
if you want to encapsulate a sound of a time period,
Creed is like two thousand power rock.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Okay, Look, you know that I like rock music. You
know that I like metal.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
You know that that's what I used to listen to
before I even knew what hip hop was. So it's
not that it's something that's not on my frequency, right,
It's just that is not on my frequency.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
They're they're I mean.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
It's it's it's it's it's like similar to you know,
there's people who love the Beatles hate the Stones. There's
people that love the Stones hate the fucking Beatles. Yeah,
and you know what, all they're both amazing. That's but
that's okay though.

Speaker 6 (59:03):
The beauty, the beauty, the beauty about mut you know,
you can pick and choose what you like. It's so much,
it's just so happened that maybe your favorite will happen
to be on the on the bill with others that
you don't like, right, and then maybe at that point
in time you can kind of say, okay, I say
what people seeing that, you know, now I start to
like it.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
But that's the beautiful thing you look, I mean, you
see you see how you said you used to like
rock and then you went to hip hop. That's because
hip hop is a little bit of everything. It is
that yeah, has everything whatever whatever fucking music elements.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
It's well, we seen the records.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Well we said it yesterday, right, hip hop is the
only genre and and really the only genre, not like
the only the only that is created from everything.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
Like, and that's why it's so big because why it's universal,
universal vibes exactly.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
I mean the Great Cast, you know, Grandma's the Cast
said it better. You know, hip hop didn't invent anything.
It reinvented everything.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Not only that, but it brought motherfuckers back to life
from the past that it was well.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
You know, think about it like this, though, hip hop
has evolved because now producers do invent their own shit
and they're not leaning on samples. They're inventing, right, and
some of their shit is getting sampled and reinvented by others.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
That's the crazy shit.

Speaker 7 (01:00:26):
It's it's easier for a producer to get a group
of musicians together and be like, hey, I want to
make a piece of music to sample. Can you just
play like sixteen bars or something, and I'm gonna take
these and then you chop it. You're like, that's my sample,
and just had some homies come play some shit real
quick and then you loop that up or just chop
it up.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
You know what I mean That it's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 7 (01:00:48):
But like you know something also about sampling from records.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Like me personally, you could do all that, but you
can't take one hundred percent of samples out like, yeah,
you got a little sprinkle, a little voice, a little
little a little scratch of something to me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
You know, I feel like that's right because like realistically,
some of the best hip hop or or the best
hip hop ever made were those dynamics, like guys chopping
shit together that like could possibly go together in someone
else's mind, but they made it fucking work. Yeah, you
know what I mean, Like it's it's uh, it's chaotic harmony, right,

(01:01:29):
Like some musicians like the way that they used to
hate on hip hop back in the day. Oh, they're
they're not being creative, they're not making the music and
they're not That was a bunch of horseshit, right, But
when they listened to it, and some of some of
them were like, you know, music students of music or
or or music scholars, they're here and all these crazy

(01:01:50):
keys and tones that normally don't go together, but somehow
they fucking make sense.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
Like when you listen to the Beastie Voice, right or
Public Enemy, great example, Bomb Squad.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Yeah, and they can't explain that, Like, you know, there's
all these musicians who make these arrangements and they have
all these movements with keys and notes and harmonies and
shit like that, and they have to play this shit concisively,
you know, to make it sound right. If one guy's
out of key or one note off or whatever, fox
up the whole thing right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
And they're all look listening for pitch and key and
timing right, and here comes.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
These producers throwing all these crazy sounds and different keys
and pitches and on beat, on the money and making sense.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
And they could not figure that out.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
And that is the chaotic harmony that is the production
in hip hop as it relates to samples.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Let me tell you our first album, the Street Level
Beating Nuts, Street Level inspired by the Bomb Squad. If
you listen to that album, we was trying to do
what the Bomb Squad was doing, but with our flavors,
you know, like it would be one averse here and
then it'll change beat yep. Then another guy will come
in and change just that's bomb squashtt beatle change all

(01:03:11):
over the turn into some other ship like yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
I mean our first two albums, Bugs Smugs was like,
you know, very influenced by the Bomb Squad. That's why
he did bridges and breaks and crazy ass sounds and
ship like that. He did it his way though, and
then Rizza does that you know what I mean? You
did that? I mean Ship A lot of people were
inspired by the Bomb Squad. They were the first doing

(01:03:38):
like that cutting edge type of production, like because before.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Them it wasn't this dynamic.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
I mean, I mean, yeah, you know what you got
Molly mal And and and those guys that were like,
you know, put putting down classic Ship day La Soul.
But the way that the Bomb Squad was producing it
just like it was like a fucking journey just with
the music alone.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yeah, and then the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Forcefulness of Chuck's voice and and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
And Flave cut through with his per terminator. How could you? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
To me, that's the To me, that's the greatest hip
hop group of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
In my opinion.

Speaker 9 (01:04:19):
What do you think, like on a versus Ship? Who
do you think could run it with the Beastie Boys?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
O Chuck B?

Speaker 7 (01:04:25):
Who do I think to run it with the like
a versus who would be the best like verses for
beast Boys?

Speaker 9 (01:04:31):
You know, Like I always keep mentioning mentioning it because
I would listen to to them get a lot of
love on K Rock, but I never got heard them
get love on any other hip hop stations and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Well you know type of ship.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Well, you have to put a specific group against the
Beastie Boys, because what the Beastie Boys could do is
hip hop and then the punk ship like they have.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
They have that you got the closest that you can
get to that that would be interested in. The verses
with that would be.

Speaker 11 (01:04:59):
So I didn't want to say it, that's the closest
you hit because they you know, uh, cypers Hill is
so hip hop, but they got the element of that
where you know, with the percussions and the band and
this that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
And the third and the DJ is killing it, like
that's the only thing that's going to even write or
something like that, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Thank you sir.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
That's the one we all wanted to see.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Well, recipe, that would have been fun to like do
it with the Beastie Boys. They're like, you know, big,
big influences on us as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
And actually would be a dope collible on stage because
think about it, you'll.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Have Bobo Oh yeah, he could play on this rock
on the ship too. Right in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
I should do something man.

Speaker 6 (01:05:46):
With With that being said, I just want to ask questions.
I know, you know, guests here. But I want to
ask you be like an experience of forming a super
group man with you know, one of your your your heroes,
Chuck d and the whole against like y'all bringing that
whole thing together, man, Like, what was that like for you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
That was fucking surreal to be honest with you, you know,
because I didn't see it coming, you know what I mean.
I've been friends with both parties for a long time.
Chuck one of my mentors, my big brother. You know,
we've played many shows together, but we hadn't necessarily had
a chance to work together because I mean, let's face it,

(01:06:25):
our content is very different. But well, I mean what
Public Enemy is is very political and conscience conscientious, right, difference.

Speaker 8 (01:06:39):
It's a difference in how to kill a man than
how to build a man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
That was yes, But the core, the core of who
Cyprus Hill is is really the same.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Yeah, it comes be a drink, he said, how long
can you go go?

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
Yes, You're absolutely right, because they were everything to us,
and we we peeled a lot of who we are,
you know, building upon you know, inspiration from them. So
you know, it was it was a trip, you know,
because like you know, our ship is very it's it's
hood driven and all that ship, but it's also in

(01:07:17):
its way political. So I when I got the call,
you know, I was surprised to get the call because
they could have just did that with Chuck, and you know,
according to what they had told me Chuck, Chuck said
he would not do it if I if I wasn't
doing and uh, and I didn't know any of that

(01:07:40):
till after. But I was just like, Chuck's involved, and
and y'all are the best.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
I'm it no brand, but but but you know, because
it all sounded good on paper, you know, we didn't
know what it was going to be like until we
started rehearsing. And the first couple of weeks of rehearsal
were tough because it's them trying to relearn their shit,
us trying to learn Zach shit, and like trying to

(01:08:07):
come up with our own shit in the mix of that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Right, and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
You know, somewhere we caught a stride and we were like, hey,
this shit sounds pretty good, you know, like the way
Chuck and I were bouncing Zach's shit, you know what
I mean, it was pretty formidable, right, And then we
did the show, and we saw the reaction and the
pump up that happened in the first two shows that
we did, and we're like, oh fuck, we got something
because you could feel it on stage and the impact

(01:08:36):
of the crowd, you know, whoever we played in front of,
with the exception of Eminem's crowd in France, every crowd
we played.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
We blew the fuck up. So it was but it
was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
But the greatest moments to me were when I was
recognizing on my right side that I'm on stage with
my fucking idol, you know what I mean, Like, I
don't know how many times I bumped this band's tape
up and down the fucking block, you know, going anywhere.
Just Public Enemy was in our fucking cars all the time,

(01:09:15):
and here I am. Even I even got a call
from like the guys from the Cypress block that you
know still roll with us and shit like that's Luther,
Fernando or Grego and all the Hillbillies and shit, They're like, Yo,
what the fuck is it like standing on stage with
bro We were bumping this ship while we were kid

(01:09:35):
how is that?

Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
And you know, and that's exactly the question that was
going through my head when I was watching your performance
out at the d the odds fast. I'm sitting there watching,
and I've heard you numerous times, like in person or
even an interviews, talk about how much you my appreciate
public enemy. Yeah, I'm sitting up there on the side
of the stage back there, just watching.

Speaker 8 (01:09:58):
I'm like, beat killing it first almost they don't.

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
But then I'm thinking, like, what must have kid and
be real to hisself right now watching Uncle Chuck right there, right,
that's right, I imagine, like wow, because I mean you
bright you. It was like literally like you look like
you was fucking flying to me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
I was elated, bro, you know man.

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
Which also respect because y'a were the only hip hop
related band that ever did that festival ever. Like that's
big in itself, you know what I'm saying. So the
fact that you'll able to do that on such a
level is crazy. But you know what, getheless. If you
had an opportunity to do that with a legendary band

(01:10:39):
or anybody that you admire, who would that be.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I mean I would have done it with the.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
Okay they're a good band too.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Or Chili Peppers. You know, those are my favorite rock groups.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
That would have been cool.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
That would have been freaking some basslines over some hard
you know, we could call flee, Yeah, call that motherfucker.

Speaker 6 (01:11:02):
Yeah, he just did the honor to uh sliding the
family throng. Yeah he was out there the lyrics, but.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah he did.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Yeah. Yeah, I gotta say, man, that ship was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
And then getting to like, you know, because there was
a part of the show we would do Cypress music too.
It was a combination of rage music, Cypress and Public
Enemy right and then whatever we had created on as
a band, so we had a significant well of fucking
songs and catalog to like go from right. So we'd

(01:11:41):
be doing a straight hip hop set with with the
guys peeled back, and here I am on stage with
Chuck doing Flaves parts Public Enemy song.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 12 (01:11:54):
Or Chuck doing Sin and said, Chuck's doing Sends part,
you know, like I was geeked for Sen because I
know Sen probably was like.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
Oh Ship, yeah, he's doing my parts, because I'd be
fucking geeked if he was doing my parts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
It'd be like, oh hell yeah, was you making your
voice like Flavor?

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Boy, No, I was staying my voice. But there was
a couple of times I got excited.

Speaker 7 (01:12:20):
And probablated and hard not to probably the first two shows.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Ut show up to any of those shows.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
The Flavor. The Flavor ever show up to any of
the he showed up to maybe one show. I'm not sure.
I don't remember that he showed up to any of
the shows. But we saw a lot of people show
up that were like, oh fuck, you know, like they're
getting behind this ship right here. Salute to those guys.
That was a fun time, man, James Bond, that's right, inspects.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
Wasn't Chris Cornell like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
At our show at the Forum? At the Forum show
you Jack Black was there too. Check this out.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Do what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Salute everybody out there, make us number one, and salute
to Exhibit Endemrick for coming and dropping the bars yesterday
with us. That was that was good. Thank you YouTube
for the flags. That was awesome. Staying consistent still flag it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, still.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Right about now, we're about to open up the doors
to the insane asylum. That means, y'all, if you've got
a comic question, shout out suggestion.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
We are here for that. Let's go. Welcome to the
insane mesilo.

Speaker 10 (01:14:07):
All right, I'm reading here that KD became the first
radio station in LA to feature hip hop in eighty three,
when Greg Mack was hired.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
Yeah, yes, yes, eighty three sounds correct.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Yeah, eighty three.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
I was thirteen, So my first dose of hip hop
was at thirteen, fourteen years old.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
I was nine.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (01:14:29):
We got a Milan in here saying happy birthday to Kmack.
Much more to come. And he's also saying, my wife's
mother died two months ago. We gathered at her home
and went to the funeral. When we returned, a roof
tile fell. Even though the weather was calm, and tiles
there almost never fall.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Rested in peace at number one and yeah, that was
probably her, you know, talking to somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Yeah, vibrations by Yeah, absolutely her. Cre that's right.

Speaker 10 (01:15:01):
Soul King is saying, yo, b were you guys Shrewman
when you saw that cup spinning?

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Hell no, yeah, no, we didn't take shrooms in that
that building at all. We we were smoking now, but again,
you know, there's no weed that we're smoking that causes
us to hallucinate. That's it's not a psychedelic like that.
What we saw was a spirit letting us know they
were in there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
I asked you, you didn't get chucked to smoke some weed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
I will not confirm or deny such a thing.

Speaker 10 (01:15:36):
Next, Simon, Simon is saying, would Beastie Boys versus House
of Pain?

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Would that be a good matchup?

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
No, No, gotta be.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
But I'll say this, if if House Pain would have
stood like a group longer and we would have got
to see them evolve into like bringing instruments into the
fold Everlast has done by himself, Yeah, that would have
made sense because I know that he probably would have
done with House of Pain a more aggressive style than

(01:16:11):
what he does on his own.

Speaker 7 (01:16:12):
But then it also, like House of Pain, I think,
how's it Pain could have grown like immensely with like
Lethal's production expanding more than it ever did, you know,
and then Everlast being able to you know, and then
you know, I dude, I really think but I'm saying that,
you know, along with that is that the way that
Everlast is and the way he started evolving with his

(01:16:33):
guitar playing, he would have probably made something aggressive with
lethal to to.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Be in that particular lane. Yes, agree, because I think
it would have flourished in that lane. Like he's still well,
I saw.

Speaker 7 (01:16:47):
You Everlast gets on his aggressive bar. Shit, it's the best.
Oh yeah, he's at the bar.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
He creates bars and sometimes he might be at the bar.
You know what I'm saying. All right, my favorite bars.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
Mike is asking a yo ta kwan?

Speaker 10 (01:17:05):
Any wild stories meeting Ice Tea.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
A wild stories? No?

Speaker 6 (01:17:11):
I did recently just hang out with with with the
god man at it was at the the Warped tour.
They performed salute to my brother dj Evilee. You know
they out there doing anything, so I go out there
and hang out with them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:17:24):
So he said some very beautiful kind words about the
Queen Jane Eugene of Loucand's Man and salute to Iced Tea.
But crazy, nah, nothing, nothing too crazy because you know
he tells some wild stories, like he's the uncle you
want to sit around and listen to the stories all
day long, Like back to the day.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
You might have gotten the crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Yeah, it'd been a.

Speaker 6 (01:17:44):
Little bit different, but you know now, you know, he's
he's wise, he's yeah what I'm saying, so salute Ice Tea.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Yes, right, you're still looking good.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Yeah, yeah, but he's always just dropping knowledge now on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
People, mister Jims. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Every time I run into Ice Tea, the first thing, yo,
bringing the tech.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
That's that's my ship. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:18:06):
That's a pretty good one. Tech, pretty good one, pretty
good one. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Yeah, this is yeah, this is nice right, yeah one.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
When did you first meet Ice Tea?

Speaker 6 (01:18:21):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
I met I first met Ice Tea?

Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
I would say probably back in nineteen eighty nine on
the Dope Jam tour. Yeah, that's when he was still
permed out. He was killing this man, burned out a
New jack City Amazing tour. He was on with biz Markie,
Dougie Fresh, Eric being rock Cam.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
You're talking the powerful tour rocker.

Speaker 6 (01:18:41):
I mean, this was like when tours was like really
toys because Dougie was coming out of the globe, you
know what I mean, and with the you know what
I'm saying, and and Eric B you know, rock Cam,
they're sitting up there in the King chair and all
of that and iced tea coming out, pimped out, you know,
with the cars and yeah, man, it was it was ridiculous.
And I'm gonna say, like, like Uncle Chuck will say,

(01:19:01):
YouTube videos don't do it no justice. You had to
be there, you know what I'm saying. But I see
was such a real dude back then. But you know,
he also had that r about him, so you know,
I wasn't trying to be in his way too much.
You know, I'm minding my business and it was, you know,
happy to just be able to shake hands with the
Great brothers that was really helping hip hop grow to

(01:19:22):
what it is today.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
He's a very cool dude.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Man.

Speaker 10 (01:19:25):
Was he considered like the King of hip hop during
his time, like in the eighty nine and ninety ninety one.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
I don't know about King, but he was. He was formidable.
But sure, you know, both in the East and the West.
Coat yeah, yeah, people people were fucking with him. But King,
I don't know, I mean as as La rappers go.
Maybe because he was like one of the first ones,
like with some notoriety, like people his name was going

(01:19:52):
around and he had records.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
He dropped that colors come on Bee.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Yeah, he was fucking well even before that quote winded
madness uh push him, well yeah he did all that.
After he's got catalog, people tend to forget. Oh dude,
the power album. He's you know, he's been on TV
so long that people forget about the catalog.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Exactly, we don't. I'm saying people do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
See an Ice Tea concert.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Yeah, if you don't know, Yeah, he got catalog.

Speaker 6 (01:20:21):
Yeah, killers, chilling, killing, Yeah on that on that Warp tour,
he showed me because the way he did his set.

Speaker 8 (01:20:28):
He did the first set where it was just Ice.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
Tea hits him and Evilly doing a thing, and then
after like thirty thirty five forty minutes, then they changed
the set body count. Yeah, so they rocked.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
It like that's the see he you know he might
have you know, the also the key to go against
the beast Ice your boy Ice team, that would team
because if he breaks body if you were to break
body count into it, yeah, it would be come on,
that would be good though, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
I was also seeing his first two movies were Breaking.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, well he was. He was he was
an extra and Breaking. He wasn't like one of the
leads there. I mean, he had a couple of scenes
he was rapping and breaking.

Speaker 6 (01:21:18):
To yeah with Crystal Glove, standout roll. It was it
was at least the you know, the MCS and you know.

Speaker 7 (01:21:25):
Yeah, we were like pull up the Iced Tea image
from uh Breaking one and you'll see.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
What he would do that because that vest that is
like iconic.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Don't do that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:40):
It is though, you know, I'm not even I'm not
even like you're talking about Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
What it was. It was like he's on he's on
his Grandmaster Flat five ship.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
Listen, Hey, let's said when when when King T was
here and he did the panel, what he said was
real ship and he said, us in l A at
that time, which was in the mid eighties or whatever,
we're emulating.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Hiss Coast hip hop.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Yeah, absolutely, you know what I mean, and and and
and and you know, Ice Tea is just a little
bit older than King T. So the hip hop ship
he was emulating was the Grand Master Flash and the
Furious five.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Actually, I'm glad he changed his style though, yeah we are.
I don't want to see your nipples be I don't
want to see your nipples. Were laughing and ship we
were on glad.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
That was so dope.

Speaker 7 (01:22:40):
That song Reckless and Breaking One is so dope that
he could afford Dudely he could he could afford to
rock that and still be dope because that song was dope.
So he still looked tough. And then when he became
six in the Morning Ice Tea, it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
Was game over.

Speaker 7 (01:22:56):
That was gangsterized, and then the Power album after that,
and then you know original gangster like dude, So dude
DJ Aladdin on the s P twelve, Yeah he got
catalog bro.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
They throw on today.

Speaker 8 (01:23:12):
Yeah, so lou to the brother Chrystal Glove though man.

Speaker 7 (01:23:15):
Yes, evil and he always always a good that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Indeed, all right, what else you got?

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
Bolton justin in the super Chatta saying money equals energy A.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Mom energy was money.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
They go, I don't know if energy equals money us,
but I mean, yeah, it takes energy to make money.

Speaker 13 (01:23:43):
Put the right energy together, it could be some money. Yeah,
but you shouldn't put your energy behind the money. Making
it cool but not in the money.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
Both can be true, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because you need
need money to like survive, pay bills, put put on
the table and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
All the what have yous?

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
Right, absolutely, But if you're too much about that money,
you you know, it makes you and you become a
greedy motherfucker, it, yes, and you will. You know, you'll
even become a cutthroat motherfucker for this, you know what
I'm saying. So you know, you could be about making

(01:24:28):
the money, but don't let the money make you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Like they say.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
You know, it's an old adage, but it is the
realest shit. It can't be about, you know, Like for us, right,
what we do, we get a bag for what we do,
but that's, you know, not the most important thing. The
most important thing is the art of it, right at heart,
because we're trying to sell you this art in the end, right,

(01:24:52):
but we're putting our heart into the art for bar's sake, right,
We're trying to give you the best ship, the best
representation of what we're feeling in that moment. Whatever the
fucking vibe is, whether it's I'm pissed off and I
want to tell you some ship, or I got my
fucking heart broke and I need to tell you some ship,

(01:25:13):
or I'm just partying, then I ain't telling you ship.
You know, all those are a fucking vibe vibes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
And that's and that's where it goes.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
But you got you got to be able to get
in to that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Yeah, gid, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Going to know where we went or something.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
But there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
That's why not saying it be you know, no pressure,
no pressure, just there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
All right, what else you got?

Speaker 10 (01:25:48):
The great pretender saying, yo, I got a surprise. I
got surprised with the ticket to go see k RS
this past Saturday in Venice, and was surprised that King
T and some of the Freestyle fellowship opened up and
rocked the stage together.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
There you go, that's the Queen.

Speaker 8 (01:26:02):
Medusa was there too, Medusa.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
Salute, Salute Medusa. We still got to get her.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Up here, DSA is. If you haven't seeing her live show.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
It's amazing Medusa here.

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
We have not yet, well other than when we were
over at the other studio, other spot.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
We've here there.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
Yeah, we're gonna get her here on this.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
We got to get her here. She got to come
spit some bars too.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
She is truly a pillar and we got things for
some beats. You know that she we've been talking about.
So that's dope, that's dope.

Speaker 6 (01:26:33):
I actually got a record with Medusa is so incredible, man,
So I salute to her. She's always had a back
and a big up again to exhibit for what he did,
because he brought the Queen Medusa out to you know,
as he went to made his wardrobe change, he let
Medusa rock you know, a few songs, you know what
I'm saying, to do her things. So that's that's major, man,

(01:26:54):
that he would that he would do that for her.
Man like all day long, you know, but any any
of y'all, like I was, you know, explaining to you
when y'all did the panel, you know, the important thing,
man is not everybody gets accepted by the higher ups
in the industry, right true, But the beautiful thing is
when you have people like yourself, people like less, people
like kars One. See, these are the people that's like, Okay,

(01:27:17):
we know where we come from, and I may see
something in this artist that y'all don't see. Right, I
will say years ago Medusa deserved to be up there
with the greats, you know what I'm saying. With all
the you know what I'm saying, but uh, the fact
that y'all can be in a position to be like well,
it's okay.

Speaker 8 (01:27:32):
They don't have to see it. We are hip hop.

Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
We're gonna take care of each other, you know what
I mean, to the point where Medusa can get her
flowers for real, for real, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
So that's that's a beautiful thing because you know, it's
all about the coast signing, you know. So now I
think she got everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:27:49):
Hell yeah, I mean she's been putting the work for years,
for years, many years.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
Yeah, slut to Medusa.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
We got to hit her up, and you know, you know,
like me coming from the East Coast, I didn't know
Madusa back when the East Coast, but I came out
here and started getting familiar, fucking with the parties and
going and a lot of people, and and and even
meeting her and just kicking it with her in the
studio and then watching her shows, and I'm like, yo,

(01:28:17):
what the fuck? Yeah, I'm like, I was like, Wow,
she's one of the ones. She's master master bar spit
her yeah yeah, and sings and him Darren the drummer,
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, respect honkie, and she she's the
full package. Because like I said, you know, in an
interview with her, I'm like, listen, I can't even just
call you a rapper no more. You you are a
complete artist. She has everything, like she literally walked like.
For an example, I told her, I said, every time
I look at you, it's a it's a self check
for me because a lot of times when I thought
about walking away from this ship, I look at people

(01:28:54):
like her that truly personify and walks and lives this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
You know what, I'm definitely first queen of this.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Yeah, and she's still the same people.

Speaker 7 (01:29:03):
She gets better too, man, you know what I mean,
Like she takes she takes it so serious and she's
got so much love for it that you know, she
gets better.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
No, she reminds me of like a little bit of
like Lady of Rage, a little bit like they almost
got that style, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
They're both they're both dope. Sure, all right, what else
you got?

Speaker 10 (01:29:28):
We have to give a big happy birthday shout out
to Susie Lopez. She's a huge fan of the show
and the tunes in all the time. It's her birthday today.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
Happy birthday, Susie Lopez. Yeah, you mentioned that, you mentioned
I've just seen him this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Oh we gotta get seem to be everywhere right now,
everywhere this work. I got out on the show. Yes, yeah,
we gotta get him on.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
He's sick with it every time I I seen him
because he was there at when you did the panel. Yeah,
and I say, man, listen, it is not a place
that every time I turn around, every club, every time
he's at the little.

Speaker 8 (01:30:03):
Tiny desk, he's on there with somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Let me tell you something. I did a DJ set,
me and him going back and forth. I was like,
I just thought about what we do here, like if
we had.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Him, Oh yeah, oh my goot, Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Bill Rock, the both of us like Yo and Blend
beats like with your ship and it's it was good.
It was a good time, y'all. I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
Hell y, let's do it all right.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
I was saying my parents in the nineties were already
saying that hip hop and rap will be your future
generation's music.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Yeah, we talked that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
We talked about it like the other day about it,
and I'll just get it real quick because to keep
it moving. But you know, it's the way that some
of us did listen to, like let's just say led Zeppelin, right,
that wasn't in our time, you know, we're fifty and
all that shit. But like that was like before our time.
It took someone to teach us about who led Zeppelin.
Was Hey, you like rock music or you like metal, here,

(01:31:01):
listen to this and uh, we become fans of it
and absorb it and sort of make it ours and
ship like that. Right, And if those great songs passed
down through generations, hip hop is now doing that, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
And and that is.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
The greatest thing because like people are going to learn
about all the classics for generations.

Speaker 10 (01:31:27):
Oh, we got a Joaquin in here. I'll probably butcher this.
He's saying saludos e buenos tartis e tartis, tartis, parties
this he can't he can't spelled it wrong too. He
got you, got you butcher, it's supposed to be thought

(01:31:50):
of this. He's tarties. It's a little bittired. He's a
little tardy. I was gonna I was gonna say to you,
we got to tune in some day to the celebrity
death match they had Eddie Vedder versus Scott's stap.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Oh wow, we got to watch that.

Speaker 10 (01:32:05):
After the podcast and apparently Eddie Vedder says to Scott's
stap give me back my voice?

Speaker 7 (01:32:12):
Ah yeah, because he was totally doing Eddie Vedder ship.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
I was just watching some bum like shows from back
in the the gum be the cartoon, clay and how
everything was made, you know, because they they're taking pictures
that ship is like clay, so it's like it's like
it's a lot of work.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Yeah, but those days, you know, it was fucking what
that was. That was rudimentary art right there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Look, that ship was classic.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Let's just get a stick of gum, put some legs
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
I think it's time to bring back gumby stops and
gun dumb.

Speaker 10 (01:32:54):
It all right, all right, deck electors saying, did y'all
see that the Senate and Congress passed a bill that'll
make THHD products and seeds illegal again?

Speaker 5 (01:33:06):
Talking about the new hemp band?

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
You clap for that? Uh wait, run that back, say
that again.

Speaker 10 (01:33:13):
So uh, deck collectors saying, did y'all see the Senate
and Congress passed a bill that'll make THHD products and
seeds illegal again? That's in the new Hemp band that
should start twenty twenty six or twenty twenty seven. Yeah,
that one year in the States yep, So all delta
aids hhc's thhda's will all be illegal by twenty twenty seven.

(01:33:34):
Probably even seeds seeds with a total concentration of a
that create more percentage of THHD more than like point
zero three percent THHD, those will become illegal as well.
They're making seeds illegal.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
I got a feeling that people will, uh, there'll be
a lawsuit there.

Speaker 10 (01:33:54):
Oh for sure. Yep, it's already happening. But yeah, they
slip that into the spending bill. Yeah, to open up
the government, they had to ban hemp. That was part
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
That was a part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
That's yeah, kind of like why would they why would
they use that to well, that's ridiculous. Yeah, I mean
they didn't stand.

Speaker 7 (01:34:15):
They did it last moment too, And like even Rand
Paul was basically holding up the government like wouldn't let
it open because he was like this is going to
destroy Kentucky and Tennessee, like all the hemp farmers out there.

Speaker 5 (01:34:27):
Ah.

Speaker 10 (01:34:27):
So like he even put in a new bill to
like try to be like, hey, can we like get
some regulations for this, like people twenty one and older
can only buy it and stuff like that, But he
didn't get it passed.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
I hope they still kept your plug's number.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
But yeah, everyone has like a year until all that
stuff gets baid. Apparently that's kinda relay.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Well, what's going to do.

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
What it's going to do is is caused that money
that they're going to lose from banning it to go
to a neighboring state.

Speaker 5 (01:34:57):
It is nationwide though, right.

Speaker 10 (01:34:59):
Yeah, but it could go to state to state, just
like cannabis is already, Like, cannabis is already federally illegal,
but states make it legal.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Yeah, but this is specific to where.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
This is the United States. Hemp.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
Yeah, I know that, but you were talking about a
specific city in reference to or state.

Speaker 10 (01:35:17):
No, I'm saying states can still legalize it like they
do when like they do with cannabis already. Yeah, Like,
so they're basically making cannabis and hemp the same thing,
which will be federally illegal, but states can just legalize
it like they do already.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
Yeah, exactly, which is what's gonna happen. Wow, they're just
saying we don't recognize it, but you guess what, They're
gonna take the tax dollar from the state made from it,
even though they don't recognize it, pamp slap.

Speaker 7 (01:35:49):
They need to get it to be like off the
schedule a like. Uh, it's gonna take a few more years,
but it'll get there.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:35:57):
It's definitely not up there with hero and coke. There's
still old alcohol.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
There's still a couple of old conservatives, conservatives in power.
That's why as soon as those folks are gone, Uh,
probably a new mentality will arise and realize that this
is a cash crop they can make money from, like
widespread and not just in circuit, certain pockets that certain

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individuals and both parties are invested in because they know
it makes money, especially if you lower the taxation and
allow it to be federally legal so that your brand
could be when brand across the whole goddamn map, as
opposed to oh my logo is this here, but I

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got to change it over there.

Speaker 7 (01:36:49):
Yeah, you can't. You can't run a national business this way.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
One logo that represents you, like coke, right, coke you
go to every place in the world, it's the same
fucking logo.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Sniff it, sniff a good shape, shape it up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:37:11):
The only hump they want allowed is for like ropes
and textiles and that type of stuff clothing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Oh fucking stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Yeah, you know, every state will probably sue and implement
their own ship and it'll be safe in that state.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Smoke that rope, all right, Maddie.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
ADDIE's asking, be real. What's the likelihood of a Rainbow
bar takeover show?

Speaker 12 (01:37:36):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
I haven't thought about it Saturday tomorrow, you know what?
Right now, six minutes I'm at the bar, Tuckie fresher On, all.

Speaker 5 (01:37:47):
Right, and that seems to be it so far.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
Thank you for your questions, comments, queries. Uh, we thank
you for those. If we see any more super chat
as we go, we'll take them. And thank you very
much for the ones you popped off right now.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
If you haven't smashed that like yet, smash it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
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You might forget short term memory loss, right, So click
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two pm Pacific Standard time on the start five Eastern
I with that smash that like, don't wait, there's too
many of you in here to now smash it. Go ahead,
do it, And uh, you know what we're gonna say
before we were you gonna say something I was gonna ask.

(01:38:51):
I was gonna ask the quint of question.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
Go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
I wanted to know.

Speaker 7 (01:38:55):
I know Jane from Loose Ends, like a a while back,
had been detained by ice. Right, yeah, I don't want
to know, like, did you know like any like thing
on an update on her?

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
Is she doing cool? Is she Is she okay?

Speaker 6 (01:39:11):
So from the last information that I got that she's okay,
you know, she's a little more comfortable than that. The
last facility that they had her in in Kentucky, Right,
this happened back in March. No May, sorry about that,
but like it May, it happened. And so it was

(01:39:32):
coming through the border of Canada and upstate New York,
and so she was detained. She was hemmed up there.
So they kept her there for maybe, like you know,
a couple like maybe a month or something.

Speaker 8 (01:39:43):
Then they moved her down to a part of Kentucky.

Speaker 6 (01:39:49):
But in that place she had the ability to keep
in contact with us because we were able to text,
you know, so we texted. As I was telling you
earlier that you know, one day I'm texting it and
I'm like, she's not returning my text like you know
what I'm saying. The whole nother day go by, I'm
texting again like hey, you good, you know what I'm saying.
Still nothing, So getting worried, like, yo, now they've done

(01:40:11):
probably deported her to London, you know, not really knowing
what's going on. So I finally reached out to you know,
one of her best friends that that's very hands on
and what she's going through right now, and she said no,
they they moved her to a facility in Michigan. So
since then we haven't been able to have that contact

(01:40:33):
with her to you know, to really check on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Her like we was before.

Speaker 6 (01:40:39):
But she did just do a call and interview with
Tammy Matt and they was speaking on the case a
little bit. I know that they she have another attorney
now from the original attorney that she that she had
and so now they have another attorney on top of
things to try to help her get one of those

(01:40:59):
what do you call that when people come from another
country and they're here working on a special visa visa. Yeah,
it's like a work visa, but it's something they call it.
But anyway, they trying to get that for her work
it out. But it seems like the longer that they're
here trying to fight the case to get her to
where she can comfortably be here, it's like they have

(01:41:19):
to do it while she's in there, you know what
I mean, because of some law that they just passed
where they you know, they nod are the bond a
couple of times. So it's been crazy. It's gone on
longer than we expected, and that we thought, you know, Uh,
salute to all the people that stepped up and supported
her and you know, just invested and gave money because

(01:41:42):
you know, she has the to go fundme thing because
of the lawyer fees and all this type of stuff.
It's crazy, you know, and so again thank you. You
know what I'm saying. So I can come here and
talk about it. Anybody that's you know, especially those that's
over fifty years old that know about Loose Ends, you know,
came out in nineteen eighty three. They were the fathers,

(01:42:03):
the forefathers of the whole soul movement that birth the
soul to soul, you know, and then later on spent
off to what we know as neo soul. That sound
came from Lousiens and SOS band. You know what I'm saying, Jimmy,
Jim Terry lewis so me coming from the hip hop world,
being recruited by that band, going out seeing the best

(01:42:25):
of both worlds and what it is and to see
how important Lossens was to the fabric of music. You know,
salute the Pete Rock he always talking about it, you know,
Lousiend's being his favorite band, so that's why he reached
out to them and did that record. You know what
I'm saying, take your time, take your time. So that
was a beautiful you know. And then so yeah, so

(01:42:46):
him Pete Rock going on his social media platforms, you know,
and talking to his followers, letting him know about Jane
Eugene and letting them know about Louciens. So yeah, so
right now we're just doing all we can to support her,
uh and bring awareness to where we can get this
conversation going with the right people, you know what I'm saying,

(01:43:07):
because this whole thing, obviously we know that this whole
ice thing is out of control right now, you know,
and they just seem like they you know, as as
the as the god, Ice Tea say, but he's going
around jacking people, you know what I'm saying, Just anybody
not sticking to what they say they were going to do.

Speaker 8 (01:43:23):
Now it's just anybody, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
And so yeah, so we we're just trying to get
out here and uh build this campaign and let them know,
you know, uh free Jane, Eugene loose hands.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
Yeah, yeah, man, they've I think since day one, they've
been going past what they were supposed to do, right.

Speaker 6 (01:43:45):
Yeah, fuck them, yeah, straight up all day long. So again,
salute Ice Tea for standing up and speaking a word
for Jane. Salute DJ Quick for standing up and speaking.
And then Ice King t as well, you know what
I mean. So salute to everybody that's been doing everything
that it takes to try to see this woman gain

(01:44:07):
her free regain her freedom, you know, and then to
where she can stay here in the in the US,
you know, because she's been here over thirty years.

Speaker 8 (01:44:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:44:17):
So you know, I understand that there are all laws
and things that you have to buye by different things,
but at the at the certain I mean for somebody
to be spending time, you know, in a facility like this,
you know, at this age, it's like, no, we don't
want to see that, especially with somebody that we love
and appreciate that done even gave you know, so much
inspiration on hip hop culture as well. You know, uh,

(01:44:39):
because just go down a list of all you know,
so many people that don't sampled Loose Sands records.

Speaker 8 (01:44:45):
It's crazy, you know what I'm saying. Uh, you know,
even even my man age.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
Like if you hip hop you know about health, thank.

Speaker 6 (01:44:55):
You brother, absolutely man. So you know, yeah, Freezer Eugene,
free Jane Eugene. And she has a go fund me.
You can go to the top of my page on
Facebook Taekwana MC. It's right up there and you see
the link right there if you want to, you know,
contribute in any kind of way or just offer your
prayers whatever it is, and just speak about it, you know,

(01:45:18):
let people know, you know, because it's been far too
long now.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
She needs to get up out of there.

Speaker 4 (01:45:23):
That's right, stand up, speak it out, you know what
I mean. Yeah, don't fall for the bullshit there it is.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Yeah, talk about voices.

Speaker 7 (01:45:39):
B Y Hey albums too, man, like all the listen albums. Man,
you inspirational, influential, long you know what I'm saying, and legendary.

Speaker 6 (01:45:51):
You know, It's a unique experience for me because you know,
I was asking you, like what it was, you know,
to do that group with Chuck and all of them,
And I'm out there on the road. You know, I've
been well, I've been knowing them since ninety five. It
was my introduction and my first show with them was
like I would say, two thousand something like that. So

(01:46:12):
been out there rocking with them, and then we just
do shows here and there, you know, periodically. At ninety
four we did a festival in Palm Springs, all white
party they had was crazy, and then things kind of
slowed down again a little bit. But then it's like
after I would say, oh seven, it's when it really
really took off, and you know, then I would officially

(01:46:32):
became a part of the family and traveling tour with them,
and so many people come up to me like yo,
I mean, dudes older than me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Man, I'm such a Loosens fan. I love you, bru.

Speaker 6 (01:46:40):
This time I grew up to you and this stuff.
I'm like, yo, I'm a fan too, you know what
I'm saying. Get down with some some you know, some
legendary and it's a music amazing experience being out there
learning because you know, we're on the bill with people
like Uncle Charlie, you know, the Gay Band and Cameo and.

Speaker 8 (01:47:01):
Just so many man, so many.

Speaker 6 (01:47:02):
Just learning that, you know, and appreciating her for allowing
me to bring that hip hop element to help the
stage show.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
That must be crazy, like like you like, I know,
I'm a fan of all those groups you mentioned, so
I know, I don't know how. I know you're probably
taking flicks.

Speaker 8 (01:47:20):
All day long, man, Jeffrey and all of them.

Speaker 4 (01:47:23):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:47:24):
Yeah, it's like wow, And I'm learning, like you know,
just because you know, we come from the world where
you know it's about the DJs, but you learn so
much from the musicians.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Yeah, being around that, absorbing all that ship indeed. Oh yeah,
you know that.

Speaker 6 (01:47:38):
The actually our last show before Jane got in this
situation was in Atlanta and one of the Jones girls,
you know that Nights Over Egypt, was at the show,
so she brought her out and they let she eat
and then they performed the record Nights Over to Egypt,
and it was an amazing just to feel that. Man,
I was again it went into that like feeling like

(01:47:58):
a kid again.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
I would I would have been like a groupie in
the front row screaming, crying and ship crying.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
That would be hilarious to see Less cry in the
front row right there.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Bring the Jones girl cry. It was. It was amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:48:15):
I was so excited man, just being on the side
of the stage watching that experience. You know, So just man,
salute to all the legends, the icons that's out there
still doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:48:26):
You know, life is short, man, you get out here. Man,
they salute your legends. Man saluting supports all of your icons,
your classic performance rather it's hip hop, soul rock.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Whatever it is. Appreciate them why they're here. You know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
Right, well, said man, salute and I want to thank
you for sitting at the table with us. You got
to come back and say whether it's a gad.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
A gad you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
Yeah on the chop up.

Speaker 6 (01:48:53):
Yeah yeah, Well you know it feels good, you know,
coming back to the to the house. You know what
I'm saying that we were in a minute. It's a
beautiful thing, man, So yeah, thank you be real man
so much. Man, you know what I'm saying, But just
having this platform to be able to speak for the
Queen Jane Eugene, you know what I mean, right, thank
you for allowing that, and also thank you for allowing
this for the culture and everything that you know, cycle

(01:49:16):
lasts be real everything, and I mean see you know,
come on, brother, like everything that y'all done for the
culture hip hop. I truly appreciate y'all. Man, can't thank
y'all enough to continue to bring us down to the
next generation.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
You know what I mean. It's so important, man.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
You heard, you heard, You got any shout outs you
want to give?

Speaker 6 (01:49:38):
Man again, Salute Shout out to Jane Eugene Loosens you know,
holds your head as they say, we're praying for you.
We loving on you. Salute Shout out to man DJ
Icy Ice be Junkies. Right yeah, my brother, man, you
know we've been in the group together for over twenty
one years, you know, rocking, still rocking. Salute to any

(01:50:01):
and everybody who's Man just gave me love and she
gave me platforms to speak and rock and perform to
be a part of this whole thing. You know again, Medusa,
Planet Asia, Rocker, Charlie Tuna. Kill all these brothers out
here that don't help me down here on the West Coast. Uh,
mellow man ace everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Man. Thank y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:50:21):
Hext's one legend please and if you don't know about
Hex one, look him up. You know what I'm saying.
One of my big brothers in this game. So thank
all of y'all. So shout out to all of y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:50:36):
Shout out to everyone here at the table.

Speaker 7 (01:50:38):
Taekwan always a pleasure, Beggie less E v SLC. Shout
out to Volton and Ray and Aton and Dreu And
tonight you catch me over at night on Earth over
in Sudio City, me and Dj Fatrick, We're going to

(01:50:58):
be doing all post punk, new wave and indie dance.

Speaker 5 (01:51:01):
So come back. We started nine, we go all the
way to one.

Speaker 7 (01:51:04):
So but I'll see you back here tomorrow for another
edition of Green Thumb Show and possibly the mix.

Speaker 5 (01:51:11):
Have a good night, less no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Shout out everybody on the chat just hanging out with us,
you know, having fun with us. Shout out to Kwan
for coming through. Appreciate you and all good good session.
Uh Doctor Green Thumb crew, you know how we do
bird and if you're under I g follow me cycle
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(01:51:36):
Lust shop dot com and you know what it is.
Thursday Master Mix, Real Cycle Takeover, real quick.

Speaker 6 (01:51:45):
I want to say this, want to shout out my
guys man, DJ Dane and Abel. We do a thing
out there on Fridays in Long Beach at the Thunder
Studios where it's called the Session. You know what I mean,
dudes out there, you know what I'm saying. We hip
hop come together and you know, skateboarding. It's just that man.

(01:52:05):
So on Fridays, Man, we out there and it's cool
to just be around some real DJs rocking out and
you know, everybody out there getting elevated.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
You know what I mean. That's right, beautiful thing man,
he's on.

Speaker 9 (01:52:19):
Salutes everybody here at the table. Thank you everybody for
tuning in. Make sure you guys tune in for the
po We Don't Smoke the same podcast seven to nine tonight.
Also at for twenty, I got a what not going on,
so make sure you guys tune in for that I
got a couple of the thirtieth anniversary temples of Boom
Vinyl sign so if anybody's trying to put that in

(01:52:39):
their collection, I got a few of those and a
lot of other depthtone stuff from the concert, so Live
show seven to nine, whatnot for twenty and on.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
Don't be afraid to speak your mind. Swallow that